Let’s face it.
It has to be talked about.
China repeatedly denies the balloon was a military asset as it accuses the US of undermining its sovereignty and security for downing what it maintains was a weather airship.
China threatens unspecified retaliation over downing of suspected spy balloon
roughbarked said:
Let’s face it.
It has to be talked about.China repeatedly denies the balloon was a military asset as it accuses the US of undermining its sovereignty and security for downing what it maintains was a weather airship.
China threatens unspecified retaliation over downing of suspected spy balloon
CHINA IS FURIOUS!
CHINA IS ALWAYS FURIOUS!
roughbarked said:
Let’s face it.
It has to be talked about.China repeatedly denies the balloon was a military asset as it accuses the US of undermining its sovereignty and security for downing what it maintains was a weather airship.
China threatens unspecified retaliation over downing of suspected spy balloon
Even if true, courtesy to tell them about it.
roughbarked said:
Let’s face it.
It has to be talked about.China repeatedly denies the balloon was a military asset as it accuses the US of undermining its sovereignty and security for downing what it maintains was a weather airship.
China threatens unspecified retaliation over downing of suspected spy balloon
Hot air
Haven’t they also been inserting Chinese police into other countries ?
“The US has abused force, overreacted, escalated the situation, and used this as a pretext to illegally sanction Chinese companies and institutions,” Mr Wang said.
“China is firmly opposed to this and will take countermeasures against relevant US entities that undermine China’s sovereignty and security in accordance with the law.”
Whose law?
of course, Chinese law.I read an article on how the USA ran a detailed simulation with a war between them and China over the invasion or attempted invasion of Taiwan.
The USA wins at the loss of two aircraft carriers and many other ships, thousands of troops and China loses a significant fraction of its fleets and also thousands of troops.
Both are set back years in regards to naval vessel deployment ability and air force plane numbers
good to see china taking a few pages out of the west’s copybook. and good to see the west whining about it.
ChrispenEvan said:
good to see china taking a few pages out of the west’s copybook. and good to see the west whining about it.
Please explain?
ChrispenEvan said:
good to see china taking a few pages out of the west’s copybook. and good to see the west whining about it.
:)
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Let’s face it.
It has to be talked about.China repeatedly denies the balloon was a military asset as it accuses the US of undermining its sovereignty and security for downing what it maintains was a weather airship.
China threatens unspecified retaliation over downing of suspected spy balloon
Even if true, courtesy to tell them about it.
This be the first point in question.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
good to see china taking a few pages out of the west’s copybook. and good to see the west whining about it.
Please explain?
really? I don’t believe what i wrote is complex.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
good to see china taking a few pages out of the west’s copybook. and good to see the west whining about it.
Please explain?
really? I don’t believe what i wrote is complex.
Nay. It is more about the person behind the proffered simplicity.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Let’s face it.
It has to be talked about.China repeatedly denies the balloon was a military asset as it accuses the US of undermining its sovereignty and security for downing what it maintains was a weather airship.
China threatens unspecified retaliation over downing of suspected spy balloon
Even if true, courtesy to tell them about it.
This be the first point in question.
If they recovered the payload then they will know exactly what it was.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
good to see china taking a few pages out of the west’s copybook. and good to see the west whining about it.
Please explain?
really? I don’t believe what i wrote is complex.
Just seems like standard China behaviour to me.
Someone does something that doesn’t quite fit in with their daydreams of how things should go, and they threaten ‘retaliation’.
If that’s out of ‘the west’s copybook’, then the Chinese have obviously pirated that ‘copybook’ holus-bolus.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Even if true, courtesy to tell them about it.
This be the first point in question.
If they recovered the payload then they will know exactly what it was.
Of this, we are yet to be informed.
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:Please explain?
really? I don’t believe what i wrote is complex.
Just seems like standard China behaviour to me.
Someone does something that doesn’t quite fit in with their daydreams of how things should go, and they threaten ‘retaliation’.
If that’s out of ‘the west’s copybook’, then the Chinese have obviously pirated that ‘copybook’ holus-bolus.
like the first gulf war in retaliation to 9/11? which was wrong on so many fronts.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:This be the first point in question.
If they recovered the payload then they will know exactly what it was.
Of this, we are yet to be informed.
and if we are will it be the truth or what they want us to think.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:If they recovered the payload then they will know exactly what it was.
Of this, we are yet to be informed.
and if we are will it be the truth or what they want us to think.
This be the question?
ChrispenEvan said:
like the first gulf war in retaliation to 9/11? which was wrong on so many fronts.
I feel obliged to suggest that there’s a cart-before-the-horse there.
First Gulf War: 1990 – 1991
9/11: 2001
As for the Afghanistan thing (2001 onwards), yeah, that was OTT reaction, no doubt about it, but for once you could sympathise a little with GW Bush. America’s population would not have accepted anything less in the was of response. He may have had other options, but they would have been political suicide. And he was a politician.
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
Shrugs. ;)
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
Concur.
China just needs to suck it up, face the fact that they got caught, their toys got destroyed, that’s just part of the game.
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
yep, just doing what has been done for decades in one form or another.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
Concur.
China just needs to suck it up, face the fact that they got caught, their toys got destroyed, that’s just part of the game.
✅
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
yep, just doing what has been done for decades in one form or another.
That moving tapestry again.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
Concur.
China just needs to suck it up, face the fact that they got caught, their toys got destroyed, that’s just part of the game.
✅
the gary powers incident makes interesting reading.
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
Could be a test to see the USA’s readiness to take down something as harmless? as a balloon
OTOH it does make me wonder what the altitude cutoff is. No one seems to mind that there are hundreds of spy craft in Low Earth Orbit. Perhaps the boundary of SPAAAAAAAAAACE., which is the The Kármán line (100 km), or 50 miles (~80 km) in the US and A.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
yep, just doing what has been done for decades in one form or another.
That moving tapestry again.
China isn’t/hasn’t done anything just about everyone else had done or attempted to do over the last few centuries/millennia just with modern capability.
The Cold War was pretty low class with fighting proxy wars and numerous foreign interference wrecking others nations.
Plus who knows what is still secret
dv said:
OTOH it does make me wonder what the altitude cutoff is. No one seems to mind that there are hundreds of spy craft in Low Earth Orbit. Perhaps the boundary of SPAAAAAAAAAACE., which is the The Kármán line (100 km), or 50 miles (~80 km) in the US and A.
I thought the same, OK to spy via a satellite but a balloon is a no go.
dv said:
OTOH it does make me wonder what the altitude cutoff is. No one seems to mind that there are hundreds of spy craft in Low Earth Orbit.
That was something that had the US worried in the mid-1950s, when they were getting geared up for a satellite programme.
How would other countries (obviously Russia, in particular) react to having their territory overflown by an American craft which came and went without their permission or their ability to do anything about it?
Then the Russians put up Sputnik 1 without a by-your-leave to anyone, and solved that little riddle for the Americans.
Cymek said:
Plus who knows what is still secret
the people who know those secrets that nobody else knows.
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:Plus who knows what is still secret
the people who know those secrets that nobody else knows.
That is true
Cymek said:
I thought the same, OK to spy via a satellite but a balloon is a no go.
As i say, the Russians set the precedent in 1957, and the possibility of observation from space had to be accepted along with that precedent.
The Russians could hardly object, as they’d kicked the whole thing off, the Chinese couldn’t say much because it was their good pal Russia who did it, and the Americans were going to do it themselves anyway.
But, the prospects for reconnaissance by satellite were not really taken seriously for the first few years. ‘The authorities’ seriously doubted that anything of value could be discerned from orbit, and it wasn’t until the early cosmonauts/astronauts reported that they actually could make out some man-made features and things like ship wakes at sea that they thought there might be something to work on there.
Cymek said:
dv said:
OTOH it does make me wonder what the altitude cutoff is. No one seems to mind that there are hundreds of spy craft in Low Earth Orbit. Perhaps the boundary of SPAAAAAAAAAACE., which is the The Kármán line (100 km), or 50 miles (~80 km) in the US and A.
I thought the same, OK to spy via a satellite but a balloon is a no go.
But, but…if you shoot down a satellite you’ve got a much higher possibility of collateral damage happening.
Cymek said:
I read an article on how the USA ran a detailed simulation with a war between them and China over the invasion or attempted invasion of Taiwan.
The USA wins at the loss of two aircraft carriers and many other ships, thousands of troops and China loses a significant fraction of its fleets and also thousands of troops.
Both are set back years in regards to naval vessel deployment ability and air force plane numbers
will the National Socialists have their day
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:This be the first point in question.
If they recovered the payload then they will know exactly what it was.
Of this, we are yet to be informed.
so they didn’t find anything interesting
Cymek said:
dv said:
OTOH it does make me wonder what the altitude cutoff is. No one seems to mind that there are hundreds of spy craft in Low Earth Orbit. Perhaps the boundary of SPAAAAAAAAAACE., which is the The Kármán line (100 km), or 50 miles (~80 km) in the US and A.
I thought the same, OK to spy via a satellite but a balloon is a no go.
Hazard to plane traffic, they go all over the place, driven by wind currents, they can go down with cool down drafts or up with heat columns etc.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
OTOH it does make me wonder what the altitude cutoff is. No one seems to mind that there are hundreds of spy craft in Low Earth Orbit. Perhaps the boundary of SPAAAAAAAAAACE., which is the The Kármán line (100 km), or 50 miles (~80 km) in the US and A.
I thought the same, OK to spy via a satellite but a balloon is a no go.
Hazard to plane traffic, they go all over the place, driven by wind currents, they can go down with cool down drafts or up with heat columns etc.
ideal environment to test transponder or whatever jamming resistance, and analyze what is thrown at it maybe, you might even legitimately claim it is civilian
comm’s etc jamming resistance is a big deal, so are devices that generate diversional noise etc
transition said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:I thought the same, OK to spy via a satellite but a balloon is a no go.
Hazard to plane traffic, they go all over the place, driven by wind currents, they can go down with cool down drafts or up with heat columns etc.
ideal environment to test transponder or whatever jamming resistance, and analyze what is thrown at it maybe, you might even legitimately claim it is civilian
comm’s etc jamming resistance is a big deal, so are devices that generate diversional noise etc
just wait until we tell you that military activity can affect weather so a weather balloon could totally do the work, and oops excuse us that might be a knock on the door right now
Yeah well. Figured it was a weather balloon. The US will shoot down anything.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Honestly none of this is a major issue for me. It’s pretty small potatoes compared to most of the international shit going on.
yep, just doing what has been done for decades in one form or another.
US President Joe Biden says three unidentified objects recently shot down by US fighter jets don’t appear to have been used for spying, and likely belonged to private companies or researchers — not China.
“We don’t yet know exactly what these three objects were, but nothing right now suggests they were related to China’s spy balloon program, or that they were surveillance vehicles from any other country,” he told a press conference this morning. “The intelligence community’s current assessment is that these three objects were most likely balloons tied to private companies, recreation or research institutions studying weather, or conducting other scientific research.” ABC live
studying weather eh well fuck us dead
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
A theory has emerged from the amateur radio community about what exactly a US jet shot down over Canada’s Yukon territory.
The unidentified object, one of three downed by American planes in recent days, may have been a “pico” balloon equipped with a GPS module and a solar panel that was launched from Illinois last October, and in the middle of circumnavigating the earth for the seventh time, according to this report on hobbyist website RTL-SDR.
As the article makes clear, the details of the K9YO-15 amateur radio balloon and US and Canadian authorities’ description of the object encountered on 11 February sure seem to line up:
The launch blog post indicates that the K9YO-15 balloon was flying a silver mylar 32” sphere SAG balloon which appears to be this one from balloons.online. Unlike latex or rubber weather balloons which inflate and stretch as they rise into lower atmospheric pressures, these mylar balloons can’t stretch, so their fully inflated ground size will be the same as their size at high altitudes, meaning the pico balloon won’t get much bigger than 32”. The payload was a GPS module, Arduino, SI5351 used as a WSPR and APRS transmitter and a solar panel, all together weighing 16.4 grams. A pentagon memo notes that the object shot down over Canada was a “small metallic balloon with a tethered payload” which fits the description of the pico balloon exactly.
The K9YO-15 balloon ceased all WSPR telemetry transmissions while flying just below Alaska since Feb 11 00:18 UTC (just before sunset in Alaska when the solar panels would stop working).
By using NOAA wind models and the last known location by Alaska, K9YO-15 was projected to have been over Yukon when the US Air Force shot down the unknown balloon object at Feb 11 20:41 UTC (3:41 PM EST / 1:41 PM Yukon time according to Canadian Defense Minister Anand). Reports put the altitude of the shot down object at approximately 40,000ft (~12000 meters), which matches the projected ~11500 meters of K9YO-15. Based on the previous days transmission times, it is suspected that if it were operational, the balloon would have begun transmitting again sometime later in the Yukon afternoon when the sun was stronger, but no transmissions have been seen.
Own goal, lol
You would think that the authorities in this day and age would know everything that’s up there instead of BANDIT BANDIT SCRAMBLE SCRAMBLE
Only if they are informed of the object.
They only found these three smaller ones by tweaking up their equipment.
K9YO is the callsign of an American ham.
about PICO balloons
So they should have known then.
remember when some genius told you that it was a brilliant move by the weather on behalf of CHINA, just spook the imperialists enough and they’ll start shooting at their own shit
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
K9YO is the callsign of an American ham.
about PICO balloons
So they should have known then.
remember when some genius told you that it was a brilliant move by the weather on behalf of CHINA, just spook the imperialists enough and they’ll start shooting at their own shit
:)
Democratic People’s Republic Of Korea Shoot Down Renegade Korea Propaganda Balloons With Nuclear Missiles
Why does it have to be talked about?
Kothos said:
Why does it have to be talked about?
So we can choose sides
Kothos said:
Why does it have to be talked about?
Well I wouldn’t normally have to talk about China because I know Chinese people and they do a lot of talking.
The current issue though is that unless I turn the media off, I seem to have to hear many non Chinese people talking about it.
Therefore It would seem that some healthy disuccion may be useful. If only to get a handle on it.
party_pants said:
Kothos said:
Why does it have to be talked about?
So we can choose sides
What if both sides are off their tits?
I’m more interested in what profit and war do to the/our natural environment. You know the interesting stuff that keeps the place working so that we can eat drink and breathe.
Reading up on Kurichi Masayuki’s work
roughbarked said:
Kothos said:
Why does it have to be talked about?
Well I wouldn’t normally have to talk about China because I know Chinese people and they do a lot of talking.
The current issue though is that unless I turn the media off, I seem to have to hear many non Chinese people talking about it.
Therefore It would seem that some healthy disuccion may be useful. If only to get a handle on it.
err.. discussion.
In analysis: What would war with China look like for Australia? Part 2
By global affairs editor John Lyons
Posted 17m ago
“To use the words of one leading military analyst, Australia could find itself “sleepwalking” into a war with China.
For the US, the bigger the coalition of countries joining it in any war, the better.
As with the Gulf War in 2003, Washington is always keen to enlist as many countries as possible to spread the cost and political risk. It also allows the US to try to promote the notion of “an American war”.
With that in mind, I sought the views of four of Australia’s most experienced military strategists, with 100 years of high-level military and strategic experience between them, to discuss what joining the US in a war with China could mean for Australians”.
LOL foreign Interference like anything and now that CHINA are ditching the colonial cultural yoke the wokes are celebrating it rather than joining the sensible calls to rein it in, stop them from oppressing their own people and making them look unbeautiful¡
During the early years of the People’s Republic of China, masculine female images were frequently praised in film, literature and government propaganda. And women who tried to polish their looks were often stigmatised and called “bourgeois”. But since China began opening up in the late 1970s, Western culture has influenced the communist standard of female beauty. In today’s China, women are supposed to be fair-skinned, young-looking, and slim.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-23/young-chinese-feminists-rejecting-beauty-duty/102626482
Rabbits, too many rabbits, in China.
SCIENCE said:
LOL foreign Interference like anything and now that CHINA are ditching the colonial cultural yoke the wokes are celebrating it rather than joining the sensible calls to rein it in, stop them from oppressing their own people and making them look unbeautiful¡
During the early years of the People’s Republic of China, masculine female images were frequently praised in film, literature and government propaganda. And women who tried to polish their looks were often stigmatised and called “bourgeois”. But since China began opening up in the late 1970s, Western culture has influenced the communist standard of female beauty. In today’s China, women are supposed to be fair-skinned, young-looking, and slim.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-23/young-chinese-feminists-rejecting-beauty-duty/102626482
But when men try to do it, it gets banned…
China bans men it sees as not masculine enough from TV
China’s government banned effeminate men on TV…
https://www.kylevialli.com/blog/kangina-this-traditional-afghan-method-of-keeping-fruit-fresh-will-blow-your-mind
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.kylevialli.com/blog/kangina-this-traditional-afghan-method-of-keeping-fruit-fresh-will-blow-your-mind
pretend this is in the chat thread,
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.kylevialli.com/blog/kangina-this-traditional-afghan-method-of-keeping-fruit-fresh-will-blow-your-mindpretend this is in the chat thread,
OK.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.kylevialli.com/blog/kangina-this-traditional-afghan-method-of-keeping-fruit-fresh-will-blow-your-mindpretend this is in the chat thread,
OK.
furious said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
pretend this is in the chat thread,
OK.
Sure, like CHINA and Afghanistan are next to each other just like these 2 threads anyway.
Those northern Afghanistan containers are indeed made of clay but it would be a stretch to say they are made of china.
Northern Afghanistan does have a border with China though.
furious said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:pretend this is in the chat thread,
OK.
Are you mad?
furious said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL foreign Interference like anything and now that CHINA are ditching the colonial cultural yoke the wokes are celebrating it rather than joining the sensible calls to rein it in, stop them from oppressing their own people and making them look unbeautiful¡
During the early years of the People’s Republic of China, masculine female images were frequently praised in film, literature and government propaganda. And women who tried to polish their looks were often stigmatised and called “bourgeois”. But since China began opening up in the late 1970s, Western culture has influenced the communist standard of female beauty. In today’s China, women are supposed to be fair-skinned, young-looking, and slim.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-23/young-chinese-feminists-rejecting-beauty-duty/102626482
But when men try to do it, it gets banned…
China bans men it sees as not masculine enough from TV
China’s government banned effeminate men on TV…
Fuck bigoted Mainland Republic Of CHIN… sorry we mean Taiwan, Mainland Taiwan¡
… and all that religious fanatical prid… sorry we mean prudence
Michael V said:
A long, but interesting read about WeChat by Wanning Sun, Professor of Media and Cultural Studies, University of Technology Sydney. .
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-22/wechat-ban-chinese-australians-lifeline-to-home/102627882
Good, excellent, ban their networks, block their channels, jam their transmissions¡
Next up we should intern all those dirty ASIANS as well for good measure.
LOL
“It will stay outside of our contiguous zones, so 24 nautical miles beyond, that’s consistent with international law – their behaviours on previous exercises have been exactly that and I don’t expect to change.”
Pressed on whether any Australian or United States submarines had also been deployed to snoop on the visiting Chinese vessel, General Bilton responded: “no comment”.
Guess what¡ News isn’t news¡
SCIENCE said:
Guess what¡ News isn’t news¡
Too early to decipher attempts at cleverness. Please elucidate.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
their behaviours on previous exercises have been exactly that and I don’t expect to change
Guess what¡ News isn’t news¡
Too early to decipher attempts at cleverness. Please elucidate.
Not cleverness, simple statement.
