Only a week of this month left, so this should be a short thread.
Michelle Grattan on potential changes to superannuation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/michelle-grattan-template/102015534
Multi-million dollar aged care facility almost completed 9 years ago then left to rot unused. Tax dollars working for someone…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/warmun-aged-care-plan-abandoned-after-building-facility/102010932
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/sussan-ley-labels-voice-parliament-vanity-project/102018766
I wonder if the ABC could perhaps have found a more elegant picture of her to head this story.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/sussan-ley-labels-voice-parliament-vanity-project/102018766I wonder if the ABC could perhaps have found a more elegant picture of her to head this story.
Nasty politician spouts shit. Might be tricky to find an elegant picture of such :)
buffy said:
Only a week of this month left, so this should be a short thread.Michelle Grattan on potential changes to superannuation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/michelle-grattan-template/102015534
They’re mostly definitional changes, enshrined in law, but good ones.
Incidentally, did we go back a year in this thread?
:)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-24/qld-robodebt-scheme-government-royal-commission-fraud/102014798
AussieDJ said:
Incidentally, did we go back a year in this thread?:)
I think buffy was worried this February was too short.
AussieDJ said:
Incidentally, did we go back a year in this thread?:)
My brain is messed up apparently.
buffy said:
AussieDJ said:
Incidentally, did we go back a year in this thread?:)
My brain is messed up apparently.
That’s what we’ve all been saying…
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
AussieDJ said:
Incidentally, did we go back a year in this thread?:)
My brain is messed up apparently.
That’s what we’ve all been saying…
It’s quite a well known phenomenon…
buffy said:
AussieDJ said:
Incidentally, did we go back a year in this thread?:)
My brain is messed up apparently.
A Vincents APC, a cup of tea and a lie down.
Peak Warming Man said:
buffy said:
AussieDJ said:
Incidentally, did we go back a year in this thread?:)
My brain is messed up apparently.
A Vincents APC, a cup of tea and a lie down.
Then she’ll burn a track down her oesophagus.
those dead people should just have taken some personal responsibility
SCIENCE said:
those dead people should just have taken some personal responsibility
he’s really awful.
but doesn’t freedom of speech, even if it doesn’t mean speech overrides all other actions, mean that you can talk over anyone else
Two students who protested against a speech by Malcolm Turnbull at Sydney University last year have been suspended after a university investigation found they violated the former prime minister’s freedom of speech. Sydney University administrators told student activists Maddie Clark, 22, and Deaglan Godwin, 23, they would be suspended for one year and one semester respectively, for their roles in disrupting an event run by the university’s law society, in which law school alumni Turnbull was invited to speak to current students.
isn’t that the whole point
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:those dead people should just have taken some personal responsibility
he’s really awful.
Dodged a bullet there
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/feb/24/an-economic-fairytale-australias-inflation-being-driven-by-company-profits-and-not-wages-analysis-finds
‘An economic fairytale’: Australia’s inflation being driven by company profits and not wages, analysis finds
well the réserve bank are still innocent, they can’t fix supply disruptions
SCIENCE said:
well the réserve bank are still innocent, they can’t fix supply disruptions
I kind of don’t think there’s much point in blaming the RBA. They have limited powers, limited options. Inflation is being driven by high corporate profits.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
well the réserve bank are still innocent, they can’t fix supply disruptions
I kind of don’t think there’s much point in blaming the RBA. They have limited powers, limited options. Inflation is being driven by high corporate profits.
The RBA have only one tool, interest rates.
It’s the old adage that when the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
well the réserve bank are still innocent, they can’t fix supply disruptions
I kind of don’t think there’s much point in blaming the RBA. They have limited powers, limited options. Inflation is being driven by high corporate profits.
The ability of oligopolistic companies to pass on their costs to consumers doesn’t account for what drove costs higher in the first place. And there really hasn’t been much change in corporate structure over the past 3 years that weren’t in place for the preceding 10 which was a low inflation environment.
imagine writing about the LNP like this
Numerous reports and investigations have detailed how the regime directs aid to areas it deems loyal, blocks access to other regions, and diverts deliveries to military units.
wait
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-26/can-syrias-assad-regime-be-trusted-after-earthquake/102005076
oh sorry that was just us trying to score political points
Federal senator Lidia Thorpe was moved on from the Sydney Mardi Gras Parade by police after footage showed her lying on the street and temporarily halting the parade.
In a video of the incident shared on social media, the Indigenous independent senator can be seen lying on her back in front of the truck on Oxford Street during the Saturday night parade.
Two police officers then approach Senator Thorpe as the crowd began to boo.
“Get rid of her! Get rid of her,” a person in the crowd chanted during the incident.
“About 9pm last night a woman lay in front of a float on Oxford Street, momentarily preventing the progress of the parade,” NSW Police told AAP on Sunday.
LOL
Peak Warming Man said:
Federal senator Lidia Thorpe was moved on from the Sydney Mardi Gras Parade by police after footage showed her lying on the street and temporarily halting the parade.
In a video of the incident shared on social media, the Indigenous independent senator can be seen lying on her back in front of the truck on Oxford Street during the Saturday night parade.
Two police officers then approach Senator Thorpe as the crowd began to boo.
“Get rid of her! Get rid of her,” a person in the crowd chanted during the incident.
“About 9pm last night a woman lay in front of a float on Oxford Street, momentarily preventing the progress of the parade,” NSW Police told AAP on Sunday.LOL
She’s a character all right…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Federal senator Lidia Thorpe was moved on from the Sydney Mardi Gras Parade by police after footage showed her lying on the street and temporarily halting the parade.
In a video of the incident shared on social media, the Indigenous independent senator can be seen lying on her back in front of the truck on Oxford Street during the Saturday night parade.
Two police officers then approach Senator Thorpe as the crowd began to boo.
“Get rid of her! Get rid of her,” a person in the crowd chanted during the incident.
“About 9pm last night a woman lay in front of a float on Oxford Street, momentarily preventing the progress of the parade,” NSW Police told AAP on Sunday.LOL
She’s a character all right…
She shows her character.
Peak Warming Man said:
Federal senator Lidia Thorpe was moved on from the Sydney Mardi Gras Parade by police after footage showed her lying on the street and temporarily halting the parade.“About 9pm last night a woman lay in front of a float on Oxford Street, momentarily preventing the progress of the parade,” NSW Police told AAP on Sunday.
LOL
Any word as to her purpose in that?
The former New South Wales deputy premier John Barilaro “inappropriately interfered” in the selection of former NSW Business Chamber chief executive Stephen Cartwright to fill a senior UK trade position for the state government, a parliamentary inquiry has found.
On Monday the committee investigating a series of controversial appointments to fill senior NSW government trade roles released the findings of its probe, stating that the appointment of Cartwright as UK Agent General “lacked integrity and transparency”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/27/inquiry-finds-john-barilaro-interfered-in-selection-process-for-a-senior-uk-trade-job?CMP=soc_567
dv said:
The former New South Wales deputy premier John Barilaro “inappropriately interfered” in the selection of former NSW Business Chamber chief executive Stephen Cartwright to fill a senior UK trade position for the state government, a parliamentary inquiry has found.On Monday the committee investigating a series of controversial appointments to fill senior NSW government trade roles released the findings of its probe, stating that the appointment of Cartwright as UK Agent General “lacked integrity and transparency”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/27/inquiry-finds-john-barilaro-interfered-in-selection-process-for-a-senior-uk-trade-job?CMP=soc_567
Great. Will the Perrotet government do anything about it?
Kothos said:
dv said:
The former New South Wales deputy premier John Barilaro “inappropriately interfered” in the selection of former NSW Business Chamber chief executive Stephen Cartwright to fill a senior UK trade position for the state government, a parliamentary inquiry has found.On Monday the committee investigating a series of controversial appointments to fill senior NSW government trade roles released the findings of its probe, stating that the appointment of Cartwright as UK Agent General “lacked integrity and transparency”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/27/inquiry-finds-john-barilaro-interfered-in-selection-process-for-a-senior-uk-trade-job?CMP=soc_567
Great. Will the Perrotet government do anything about it?
In fairness they’ve only got three more weeks
Liberal moderates Russell Broadbent and Bridget Archer have broken ranks and endorsed the treasurer’s efforts to start a conversation about the fiscal sustainability of generous superannuation tax concessions.
Broadbent told the ABC on Monday it was unclear exactly what changes were being proposed but if the mooted overhaul was “fair and reasonable” then the Coalition should not stand in the way.
After triggering debate about the “sustainability” of the super tax concessions last week, Jim Chalmers has flagged a potential reform in the May budget capping superannuation tax concessions at balances of $3m.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/27/liberal-mps-break-ranks-to-back-jim-chalmers-discussion-on-superannuation-reform?CMP=soc_567
dv said:
Liberal moderates Russell Broadbent and Bridget Archer have broken ranks and endorsed the treasurer’s efforts to start a conversation about the fiscal sustainability of generous superannuation tax concessions.Broadbent told the ABC on Monday it was unclear exactly what changes were being proposed but if the mooted overhaul was “fair and reasonable” then the Coalition should not stand in the way.
After triggering debate about the “sustainability” of the super tax concessions last week, Jim Chalmers has flagged a potential reform in the May budget capping superannuation tax concessions at balances of $3m.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/27/liberal-mps-break-ranks-to-back-jim-chalmers-discussion-on-superannuation-reform?CMP=soc_567
i wonder how long it will be before Bridget is an independent.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Liberal moderates Russell Broadbent and Bridget Archer have broken ranks and endorsed the treasurer’s efforts to start a conversation about the fiscal sustainability of generous superannuation tax concessions.Broadbent told the ABC on Monday it was unclear exactly what changes were being proposed but if the mooted overhaul was “fair and reasonable” then the Coalition should not stand in the way.
After triggering debate about the “sustainability” of the super tax concessions last week, Jim Chalmers has flagged a potential reform in the May budget capping superannuation tax concessions at balances of $3m.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/27/liberal-mps-break-ranks-to-back-jim-chalmers-discussion-on-superannuation-reform?CMP=soc_567
i wonder how long it will be before Bridget is an independent.
Can’t see Russell Broadbent going teal.
good guys with guns
Police have launched a “critical incident investigation” after officers shot a man inside one of their Sydney stations last night. A NSW Police spokeswoman said the man — whose identity is not yet known — had been threatening staff at Auburn Police Station with a knife about midnight. She said the man had allegedly stabbed a 28-year-old stranger at a nearby train station just minutes before the incident unfolded.
Last month, a 48-year-old father-of-two was shot dead by an officer at Tenterfield Police Station in northern NSW, after he allegedly walked inside the reception and pointed a gun at officers.
ahahahahahaha
“From 2025-26, the concessional tax rate applied to future earnings for balances above $3 million will be 30 per cent. This is expected to apply to around 80,000 people, and they will continue to benefit from more generous tax breaks on earnings from the $3 million below the threshold.”
troll
On this time line, the measure would take effect after the next federal election.
Ex-human services minister Stuart Robert
—-
hmmmm.
sarahs mum said:
Ex-human services minister Stuart Robert—-
hmmmm.
Former human services minister Stuart Robert vowed to ‘double down’ after being told Robodebt was illegal, royal commission told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/robodebt-scheme-royal-commission-stuart-robert-legal-advice/102014796
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Ex-human services minister Stuart Robert—-
hmmmm.
Former human services minister Stuart Robert vowed to ‘double down’ after being told Robodebt was illegal, royal commission told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/robodebt-scheme-royal-commission-stuart-robert-legal-advice/102014796
Brilliant! Stroke of genius!
“What we’ll do is, we’ll go even harder at it, so that when they catch up to us and show that what we’ve been doing is illegal, we’ll have such a record of ‘positive results’ that they’ll make it retrospectively legal!”
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Ex-human services minister Stuart Robert—-
hmmmm.
Former human services minister Stuart Robert vowed to ‘double down’ after being told Robodebt was illegal, royal commission told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/robodebt-scheme-royal-commission-stuart-robert-legal-advice/102014796
The vaginas in the other thread suddenly come to mind.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Ex-human services minister Stuart Robert—-
hmmmm.
Former human services minister Stuart Robert vowed to ‘double down’ after being told Robodebt was illegal, royal commission told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/robodebt-scheme-royal-commission-stuart-robert-legal-advice/102014796
Brilliant! Stroke of genius!
“What we’ll do is, we’ll go even harder at it, so that when they catch up to us and show that what we’ve been doing is illegal, we’ll have such a record of ‘positive results’ that they’ll make it retrospectively legal!”
My bet is he thought they’d win the next election and any investigation will be whitewashed.
Kothos said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:Former human services minister Stuart Robert vowed to ‘double down’ after being told Robodebt was illegal, royal commission told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/robodebt-scheme-royal-commission-stuart-robert-legal-advice/102014796
Brilliant! Stroke of genius!
“What we’ll do is, we’ll go even harder at it, so that when they catch up to us and show that what we’ve been doing is illegal, we’ll have such a record of ‘positive results’ that they’ll make it retrospectively legal!”
My bet is he thought they’d win the next election and any investigation will be whitewashed.
Yes, i expect that you’re right. They did win the 2019 election, God knows why/how, but the fiasco was getting too ricketty by then, and it was only a matter of time until they’d abandon it, if they could think of a way out. Of course, it continued to do its damage while that was going on.
>>But Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor, speaking after Labor’s announcement, insisted the Coalition was “not going to be part of it”.
He accused Labor of breaking its election commitment, but when asked if a future Coalition government would repeal the change, gave no indication that would happen.
“Australians don’t want to see election promises broken,” he told reporters.<<
From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/jim-chalmers-superannuation-tax-changes-three-million-cap/102032156
I think this young fella needs to have a chat with some elders of his party. He should ask them about “never, ever”, “core promises” and “non core” promises. He is obviously too young to remember.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Ex-human services minister Stuart Robert—-
hmmmm.
Former human services minister Stuart Robert vowed to ‘double down’ after being told Robodebt was illegal, royal commission told
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/robodebt-scheme-royal-commission-stuart-robert-legal-advice/102014796
She was earlier asked why she thought the illegality of the scheme was not picked up earlier.
Professor Leon said one possibility was that someone knew “but they had already raised the idea with government that would save billions of dollars and they were reluctant to withdraw it”.
“I hope that isn’t the case,” she added.
She later said: “The public service ought to have some red lines and lawfulness is one of them.”
Mongrels! They should go to prison for this…oh no we are just going to incarcerate more Indigenous children…
She told the inquiry she did not believe the plan could be rolled out without “considerable impact on service delivery” and it would have broad industrial relations consequences, which would have included staff having to re-apply for jobs they had held for decades and contractors brought in.
Appalling stuff…
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/27/robodebt-turns-out-it-was-unlawful-and-that-some-people-may-or-may-not-have-known
buffy said:
>>But Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor, speaking after Labor’s announcement, insisted the Coalition was “not going to be part of it”.He accused Labor of breaking its election commitment, but when asked if a future Coalition government would repeal the change, gave no indication that would happen.
“Australians don’t want to see election promises broken,” he told reporters.<<
From: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-28/jim-chalmers-superannuation-tax-changes-three-million-cap/102032156
I think this young fella needs to have a chat with some elders of his party. He should ask them about “never, ever”, “core promises” and “non core” promises. He is obviously too young to remember.
Yes, it’s true. They would make Angus Taylor the Treasurer if they got the chance.
Angus bloody Taylor.
He of :
*The water rights accusation.
*The forged document controversy
*The Naomi Wolf bullshit
And the 7th Least Trusted Politician in Australia.
and yet they are elected by the will of the people
dv said:
There was a groundswell at election time to try and convince Bridget to stand as an independent. She has said she wishes to stay on in the liberals and be a cause for change. dutton et al can’t like that.
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
Yeah that’s why so many life-long Liberal voters now vote for independents.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
How many level ups would the Liberal Party need to become fascists
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
How many level ups would the Liberal Party need to become fascists
The thickness of a sheet of paper.
That got the cookers going.
How I Avoided Prison – Friendly Jordies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wvy8LZ-XTo
Peak Warming Man said:
That got the cookers going.
you don’t seem to know what that term refers to.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
Kinda ironic saying that under a story about Bridget Archer.
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
How many level ups would the Liberal Party need to become fascists
The things is that the Liberal Party used to have some really very decent people in it.
Jim Killen is a name that springs immediately to mind.
The same goes for the Nationals e.g. Tim Fischer.
Peak Warming Man said:
That got the cookers going.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
But you hate diversity?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
But you hate diversity?
So do the LNP unless it is the good type of diversity.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:This is what makes the Liberal Party so great, it’s diversity.
It’s in stark contrast to The Borg.
But you hate diversity?
So do the LNP unless it is the good type of diversity.
Poor PWM couldn’t even stand Turnbull enough to say one nice thing about him over his entire PM-ship judging from his silence in the forum.
LOL
Peak Warming Man said:
LOL
QED
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
There was a groundswell at election time to try and convince Bridget to stand as an independent. She has said she wishes to stay on in the liberals and be a cause for change. dutton et al can’t like that.
Anything Dutton doesn’t like is good for the Liberal Party, Australia, and humanity in general. But I don’t think she can change the party – just cause trouble for them.
SCIENCE said:
ahahahahahaha
“From 2025-26, the concessional tax rate applied to future earnings for balances above $3 million will be 30 per cent. This is expected to apply to around 80,000 people, and they will continue to benefit from more generous tax breaks on earnings from the $3 million below the threshold.”
troll
On this time line, the measure would take effect after the next federal election.
troll
Labor has been accused of going back on its word at the election that it would not make changes to superannuation
The prime minister has denied breaking a promise, saying the changes will take effect after the next election
so they mean it’ll be someone else after the next election, nice vote of self confidence there
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
ahahahahahaha
“From 2025-26, the concessional tax rate applied to future earnings for balances above $3 million will be 30 per cent. This is expected to apply to around 80,000 people, and they will continue to benefit from more generous tax breaks on earnings from the $3 million below the threshold.”
troll
On this time line, the measure would take effect after the next federal election.
troll
Labor has been accused of going back on its word at the election that it would not make changes to superannuation
The prime minister has denied breaking a promise, saying the changes will take effect after the next election
so they mean it’ll be someone else after the next election, nice vote of self confidence there
LOL
We are not going to impact the family home.!
“It’s ridiculous,” he said. “A tax hike on the top earners of the country who’ve worked hard in this country will always come down on the middle class.”
https://www.theage.com.au/money/super-and-retirement/it-s-ridiculous-billionaire-john-gandel-slams-super-tax-change-20230301-p5colh.html
…
Righhtttt…
Witty Rejoinder said:
“It’s ridiculous,” he said. “A tax hike on the top earners of the country who’ve worked hard in this country will always come down on the middle class.”https://www.theage.com.au/money/super-and-retirement/it-s-ridiculous-billionaire-john-gandel-slams-super-tax-change-20230301-p5colh.html
…
Righhtttt…
I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
Having said that having 400 mill in super is over the top.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
“It’s ridiculous,” he said. “A tax hike on the top earners of the country who’ve worked hard in this country will always come down on the middle class.”https://www.theage.com.au/money/super-and-retirement/it-s-ridiculous-billionaire-john-gandel-slams-super-tax-change-20230301-p5colh.html
…
Righhtttt…
I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
Having said that having 400 mill in super is over the top.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
“It’s ridiculous,” he said. “A tax hike on the top earners of the country who’ve worked hard in this country will always come down on the middle class.”https://www.theage.com.au/money/super-and-retirement/it-s-ridiculous-billionaire-john-gandel-slams-super-tax-change-20230301-p5colh.html
…
Righhtttt…
I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
Having said that having 400 mill in super is over the top.
True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
Having said that having 400 mill in super is over the top.
True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
red light flashes at PWM’s house
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
I’d be more likely to enjoy myself giving. “you get a house and you get a house and you get a house.” that would be fun. Actually it would please me to design a small town. i could employ the car to help me.
sarahs mum said:
I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
It will be Ms Mum. Upped by $50k per apparently.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
It will be Ms Mum. Upped by $50k per apparently.
oh good. :)
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
It will be Ms Mum. Upped by $50k per year apparently.
/fixed
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
love.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
I’d be more likely to enjoy myself giving. “you get a house and you get a house and you get a house.” that would be fun. Actually it would please me to design a small town. i could employ the car to help me.
That would be an interesting challenge.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
I’d be more likely to enjoy myself giving. “you get a house and you get a house and you get a house.” that would be fun. Actually it would please me to design a small town. i could employ the car to help me.
That would be an interesting challenge.
and you get a house!
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
:)
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:I’d be more likely to enjoy myself giving. “you get a house and you get a house and you get a house.” that would be fun. Actually it would please me to design a small town. i could employ the car to help me.
That would be an interesting challenge.
and you get a house!
:)
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:True isn’t it, working some shit kicker job that wears you out physically, pays little, you struggle to live all for what
If I had 400 mill I’d donate 390 of it and invest the rest.
I approve.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
“It’s ridiculous,” he said. “A tax hike on the top earners of the country who’ve worked hard in this country will always come down on the middle class.”https://www.theage.com.au/money/super-and-retirement/it-s-ridiculous-billionaire-john-gandel-slams-super-tax-change-20230301-p5colh.html
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Righhtttt…
I think it could be adjusted for inflation rises every now and then. The middle class will creep into the taxation range after time.
Having said that having 400 mill in super is over the top.
The numbers will be interesting actually. At least some of those in that high end will be quite old by now, and will drop out of the pool. But from the other end, people who are younger than most of us, who have been working during the compulsory super era, and are getting into their 50s, will/could have reasonable levels of super. Then again, some limits were imposed quite a few years ago on how much you can put in each year. I remember that happening and thinking…well, I’m never going to have that much each year to put in, so I don’t know what the limit was/is. I didn’t need to know.
what’s the précis
Tony Mokbel has been transferred to hospital in Victoria for unknown reasons.
It’s double or nothing
The mess caused by Scott Morrison’s multiple ministries grows as a visa decision made by former home affairs minister Karen Andrews is challenged in court, and a British MP has laughed off Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s assessment of where our nuclear subs should be built.
TWO’S COMPANY
Former prime minister Scott Morrison secretly swearing himself into the home affairs portfolio could void the visa cancellation of a former employee of the US embassy in Afghanistan. He’s known as CEU22, Guardian Australia reports, and he brought the Federal Court case to challenge his visa cancellation by the other home affairs minister at the time, Karen Andrews. If CEU22’s case is successful, imagine the precedent it could set — not just for all visa cancellations by Home Affairs during that part of the Morrison reign, but even the decisions made by ministers heading up Health, Finance, Treasury, and Industry, Science, Energy and Resources during that time. So is it a good case? Maybe. CEU22 says it’s “implied” in the constitution that “the office of minister of the Crown … should be occupied by only one incumbent at any point in time” so — basically — Andrews was booted by Morrison’s self-appointment.
Speaking of ScoMo, a Morrison government fund to slash traffic congestion gave 83% of its projects — some $2.7 billion worth — to Liberal seats, The Age ($) reports. Oink oink. Only a quarter of the dosh went to Labor-held seats in four years, the Infrastructure Department admitted. Labor MP Julian Hill said it was a “giant, stupendous, humongous, massive, colossal, vast, immense, mammoth, gigantic slush fund” on the taxpayer dime. To the robodebt royal commission, and former Coalition government services minister Stuart Robert has recounted a brave story about him learning robodebt could be illegal whereupon he leapt from his chair, marched valiantly down the hallowed halls of Parliament, burst into then PM Morrison’s office and declared his besieged conscience simply could not take it any more! That’s according to Robert, as The New Daily reports, who cast himself as the dismal scheme’s proud slayer yesterday. It’s somewhat at odds with the testimony of two of Canberra’s top public servants who both said Roberts didn’t seem fazed by warnings of robodebt’s illegality.
Other stories…
https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/03/03/scott-morrison-afghan-visa-karen-andrews/
ChrispenEvan said:
It’s double or nothing
The mess caused by Scott Morrison’s multiple ministries grows as a visa decision made by former home affairs minister Karen Andrews is challenged in court, and a British MP has laughed off Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s assessment of where our nuclear subs should be built.
TWO’S COMPANY
Former prime minister Scott Morrison secretly swearing himself into the home affairs portfolio could void the visa cancellation of a former employee of the US embassy in Afghanistan. He’s known as CEU22, Guardian Australia reports, and he brought the Federal Court case to challenge his visa cancellation by the other home affairs minister at the time, Karen Andrews. If CEU22’s case is successful, imagine the precedent it could set — not just for all visa cancellations by Home Affairs during that part of the Morrison reign, but even the decisions made by ministers heading up Health, Finance, Treasury, and Industry, Science, Energy and Resources during that time. So is it a good case? Maybe. CEU22 says it’s “implied” in the constitution that “the office of minister of the Crown … should be occupied by only one incumbent at any point in time” so — basically — Andrews was booted by Morrison’s self-appointment.
Speaking of ScoMo, a Morrison government fund to slash traffic congestion gave 83% of its projects — some $2.7 billion worth — to Liberal seats, The Age ($) reports. Oink oink. Only a quarter of the dosh went to Labor-held seats in four years, the Infrastructure Department admitted. Labor MP Julian Hill said it was a “giant, stupendous, humongous, massive, colossal, vast, immense, mammoth, gigantic slush fund” on the taxpayer dime. To the robodebt royal commission, and former Coalition government services minister Stuart Robert has recounted a brave story about him learning robodebt could be illegal whereupon he leapt from his chair, marched valiantly down the hallowed halls of Parliament, burst into then PM Morrison’s office and declared his besieged conscience simply could not take it any more! That’s according to Robert, as The New Daily reports, who cast himself as the dismal scheme’s proud slayer yesterday. It’s somewhat at odds with the testimony of two of Canberra’s top public servants who both said Roberts didn’t seem fazed by warnings of robodebt’s illegality.
Other stories…
https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/03/03/scott-morrison-afghan-visa-karen-andrews/
But do not liberal voters travel through Labor areas too?
Hancock Prospecting declared $150,000 donation 444 days late, but AEC won’t say if they’re investigating
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-06/hancock-prospecting-declares-150-000-donation-444-days-late/102048670
The ABC reported earlier this month that Hancock Prospecting gave $190,000 to the Sydney Mining Club, with the understanding the Club would pay $150,000 to the Liberal Party’s events and fundraising arm, the Australian Business Network.
Under the Commonwealth Electoral Act, gifts to a third party intended to benefit a political party must be treated as a gift to the political party and declared as such.
Mr Watson said the arrangement appeared to be a “scheme” intended to “avoid the impact” of the federal election funding laws.
When approached by the ABC, the Sydney Mining Club denied the money it paid to the Liberal Party had come from Hancock Prospecting, despite emails between mining club staff saying that was the case.
sarahs mum said:
Hancock Prospecting declared $150,000 donation 444 days late, but AEC won’t say if they’re investigatinghttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-06/hancock-prospecting-declares-150-000-donation-444-days-late/102048670
The ABC reported earlier this month that Hancock Prospecting gave $190,000 to the Sydney Mining Club, with the understanding the Club would pay $150,000 to the Liberal Party’s events and fundraising arm, the Australian Business Network.
Under the Commonwealth Electoral Act, gifts to a third party intended to benefit a political party must be treated as a gift to the political party and declared as such.
Mr Watson said the arrangement appeared to be a “scheme” intended to “avoid the impact” of the federal election funding laws.
When approached by the ABC, the Sydney Mining Club denied the money it paid to the Liberal Party had come from Hancock Prospecting, despite emails between mining club staff saying that was the case.
Fabulous…
The Municipal Association of Victoria says a high turnover of councillors can make it hard for councils to be held accountable
Amid a busy parliamentary schedule, new Victorian Labor MP Nathan Lambert could not see any romantic “French holidays” on the horizon to pop the question to his partner.
Instead he seized his first speaking moment in the Victorian parliament to propose to Noah Erlich, sparking scenes of joy.
“I think we should get married,” he said to Erlich, triggering both sides of the chamber to erupt into applause during his maiden speech.
“I won’t bring a ring out now, because I’m not allowed to have any props.
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Last month, Liberal upper house MP Joe McCracken used his maiden speech to come out as gay, saying it had taken him “a long time” to come to terms with his sexuality.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/08/she-said-yes-victorian-mp-nathan-lambert-proposes-in-first-speech-to-parliament
Hillsong accused of money laundering and tax evasion by Australian MP under parliamentary privilege
Andrew Wilkie claims church money spent on ‘the kind of shopping that would embarrass a Kardashian’ as he tables alleged whistleblower documents
The independent MP Andrew Wilkie has used parliamentary privilege to level extraordinary claims of money laundering and tax evasion against Hillsong, producing what he claims are leaked documents from the mega-church that he says reveal it earned $80m more than what it has publicly declared.
Wilkie alleged the leaked financial records and documents were provided to the Australian Taxation Office and the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, and was critical they had not been acted on.
“That is a failure of regulatory oversight every bit as alarming as Hillsong’s criminality,” the MP said in parliament on Thursday.
But Hillsong has disputed the allegations, claiming many of Wilkie’s representations were false or out of context, and that it was engaging with regulators as part of an ongoing legal case.
“Hillsong Church has been open and transparent with our congregation about past governance failures, and over the past twelve months we have engaged independent, professional assistance to overhaul our governance and accountability procedures,” it said in a statement.
Wilkie, the member for Clark, spoke in the Federation Chamber to claim a whistleblower had last year provided him with financial records and board papers related to Hillsong. He alleged they showed evidence of fraud, money laundering and tax evasion at the church, founded by pastor Brian Houston.
Hillsong was contacted for comment.
Among the allegations aired by Wilkie – contained in two large stacks of folders filled with papers that he tabled in parliament – were claims that four members of the Houston family spent $150,000 of church money on a luxury retreat in Cancun, Mexico. He also alleged lavish spending on luxury watches, luggage sets, designer clothes, skateboards, and cash gifts to board members for birthdays or anniversaries.
Wilkie claimed Brian Houston, who stepped down from the church’s leadership in 2022, used “private jets like Ubers”, alleging the church founder undertook trips costing $55,000, $52,000, $30,000, $22,000 and $20,000 in one three-month period.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/09/hillsong-accused-of-money-laundering-and-tax-evasion-by-mp-under-parliamentary-privilege
sarahs mum said:
Hillsong accused of money laundering and tax evasion by Australian MP under parliamentary privilegeAndrew Wilkie claims church money spent on ‘the kind of shopping that would embarrass a Kardashian’ as he tables alleged whistleblower documents
The independent MP Andrew Wilkie has used parliamentary privilege to level extraordinary claims of money laundering and tax evasion against Hillsong, producing what he claims are leaked documents from the mega-church that he says reveal it earned $80m more than what it has publicly declared.
Wilkie alleged the leaked financial records and documents were provided to the Australian Taxation Office and the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, and was critical they had not been acted on.
“That is a failure of regulatory oversight every bit as alarming as Hillsong’s criminality,” the MP said in parliament on Thursday.
But Hillsong has disputed the allegations, claiming many of Wilkie’s representations were false or out of context, and that it was engaging with regulators as part of an ongoing legal case.
“Hillsong Church has been open and transparent with our congregation about past governance failures, and over the past twelve months we have engaged independent, professional assistance to overhaul our governance and accountability procedures,” it said in a statement.
Wilkie, the member for Clark, spoke in the Federation Chamber to claim a whistleblower had last year provided him with financial records and board papers related to Hillsong. He alleged they showed evidence of fraud, money laundering and tax evasion at the church, founded by pastor Brian Houston.
Hillsong was contacted for comment.
Among the allegations aired by Wilkie – contained in two large stacks of folders filled with papers that he tabled in parliament – were claims that four members of the Houston family spent $150,000 of church money on a luxury retreat in Cancun, Mexico. He also alleged lavish spending on luxury watches, luggage sets, designer clothes, skateboards, and cash gifts to board members for birthdays or anniversaries.
Wilkie claimed Brian Houston, who stepped down from the church’s leadership in 2022, used “private jets like Ubers”, alleging the church founder undertook trips costing $55,000, $52,000, $30,000, $22,000 and $20,000 in one three-month period.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/09/hillsong-accused-of-money-laundering-and-tax-evasion-by-mp-under-parliamentary-privilege
No surprises there.
The charities watchdog is expected to review allegations made in parliament that Hillsong church misused the donations of its members.
Key points:
Independent MP Andrew Wilkie has used parliamentary privilege to accuse Hillsong church of breaking financial laws in Australia and around the world relating to “fraud, money laundering and tax evasion”.
Mr Wilkie claimed tens of thousands of leaked financial records and documents — including credit card statements, details of designer gifts and the use of private jets — show a misuse of church funds and lavish spending.
The Tasmanian MP said some of the documents show former leader Brian Houston — who stepped down from the role last year — was “treating private jets like Ubers” and used church money for various trips costing a total of $179,000 in one three-month period.
Assistant Minister for Charities Andrew Leigh told the ABC he understands the Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission (ACNC) will “review” the allegations and documents tabled by Mr Wilkie.
Jason Clare, who sits in cabinet, told Channel 7 the allegations were serious and should be looked at.
“From the nature of the allegations that have been put before the parliament today — and the nature of the response from the church — it seems like the sort of thing that the tax office needs to take seriously,” Mr Clare said.
The ACNC and the Australian Tax Office told the ABC they were unable to comment.
Standing next to two large stacks of folders of documents, Mr Wilkie claimed there were details of four members of the Houston family and their friends spending $150,000 of church money on a luxury retreat in Cancun, Mexico in 2021.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-10/federal-mp-accuses-hillsong-money-laundering-tax-evasion/102077080
sarahs mum said:
The charities watchdog is expected to review allegations made in parliament that Hillsong church misused the donations of its members.
Independent MP Andrew Wilkie alleged Hillsong broke financial laws in Australia and around the world Mr Wilkie claimed the church money was spent on ‘the kind of shopping that would embarrass a Kardashian’ Hillsong disputed the allegations, labelling them as ‘out-of-context’ or false
Key points:Independent MP Andrew Wilkie has used parliamentary privilege to accuse Hillsong church of breaking financial laws in Australia and around the world relating to “fraud, money laundering and tax evasion”.
Mr Wilkie claimed tens of thousands of leaked financial records and documents — including credit card statements, details of designer gifts and the use of private jets — show a misuse of church funds and lavish spending.
The Tasmanian MP said some of the documents show former leader Brian Houston — who stepped down from the role last year — was “treating private jets like Ubers” and used church money for various trips costing a total of $179,000 in one three-month period.
Assistant Minister for Charities Andrew Leigh told the ABC he understands the Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission (ACNC) will “review” the allegations and documents tabled by Mr Wilkie.
Jason Clare, who sits in cabinet, told Channel 7 the allegations were serious and should be looked at.
“From the nature of the allegations that have been put before the parliament today — and the nature of the response from the church — it seems like the sort of thing that the tax office needs to take seriously,” Mr Clare said.
The ACNC and the Australian Tax Office told the ABC they were unable to comment.
Standing next to two large stacks of folders of documents, Mr Wilkie claimed there were details of four members of the Houston family and their friends spending $150,000 of church money on a luxury retreat in Cancun, Mexico in 2021.
if only Marketing hadn’t fkd up so hard and lost the captured cuntry to the communists
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
The charities watchdog is expected to review allegations made in parliament that Hillsong church misused the donations of its members.
Independent MP Andrew Wilkie alleged Hillsong broke financial laws in Australia and around the world Mr Wilkie claimed the church money was spent on ‘the kind of shopping that would embarrass a Kardashian’ Hillsong disputed the allegations, labelling them as ‘out-of-context’ or false
Key points:Independent MP Andrew Wilkie has used parliamentary privilege to accuse Hillsong church of breaking financial laws in Australia and around the world relating to “fraud, money laundering and tax evasion”.
Mr Wilkie claimed tens of thousands of leaked financial records and documents — including credit card statements, details of designer gifts and the use of private jets — show a misuse of church funds and lavish spending.
The Tasmanian MP said some of the documents show former leader Brian Houston — who stepped down from the role last year — was “treating private jets like Ubers” and used church money for various trips costing a total of $179,000 in one three-month period.
Assistant Minister for Charities Andrew Leigh told the ABC he understands the Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission (ACNC) will “review” the allegations and documents tabled by Mr Wilkie.
Jason Clare, who sits in cabinet, told Channel 7 the allegations were serious and should be looked at.
“From the nature of the allegations that have been put before the parliament today — and the nature of the response from the church — it seems like the sort of thing that the tax office needs to take seriously,” Mr Clare said.
The ACNC and the Australian Tax Office told the ABC they were unable to comment.
Standing next to two large stacks of folders of documents, Mr Wilkie claimed there were details of four members of the Houston family and their friends spending $150,000 of church money on a luxury retreat in Cancun, Mexico in 2021.
if only Marketing hadn’t fkd up so hard and lost the captured cuntry to the communists
He was busy with his many ministries, not to mention showing the Hillsong people how to manage their finances.
The old Labor men are grumbling.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
it’s there to do.
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
Australia rarely says no (or at all ?) to any request they make, some dubious actions over the years
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
Unrepresentative swill, they are.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
Australia rarely says no (or at all ?) to any request they make, some dubious actions over the years
With regards the submarines it was more them acquiescing to our request. If the US thought they needed more subs they’d just build more of their own.
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
Australia rarely says no (or at all ?) to any request they make, some dubious actions over the years
99% of the time we say yes and the other 1% we ask if we can say a qualified yes.
We’ve never refuses to go to war with the USA.
When they wanted us to sign away destroy our PBS in order to get the free trade agreement, we modified the agreement to say that we would officially consider destroying it the next time they asked us to.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
Australia rarely says no (or at all ?) to any request they make, some dubious actions over the years
With regards the submarines it was more them acquiescing to our request. If the US thought they needed more subs they’d just build more of their own.
It does seem to come across as Australia being the desperate friend of America.
Kothos said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Keating is very knee-jerk anti-American.
Australia rarely says no (or at all ?) to any request they make, some dubious actions over the years
99% of the time we say yes and the other 1% we ask if we can say a qualified yes.
We’ve never refuses to go to war with the USA.
When they wanted us to sign away destroy our PBS in order to get the free trade agreement, we modified the agreement to say that we would officially consider destroying it the next time they asked us to.
Yes it’s the sort of thing I mean, two wars in recent times we helped with and what a mess they turned out.
It seem to get ignored the USA is guilty of some seriously evil actions in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:Australia rarely says no (or at all ?) to any request they make, some dubious actions over the years
With regards the submarines it was more them acquiescing to our request. If the US thought they needed more subs they’d just build more of their own.
It does seem to come across as Australia being the desperate friend of America.
I dunno if we’re desperate but China had Australia in the dog-house for 3 years because we had the temerity to not cower in fear. Their 14 grievances:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/china-australia-tensions-beijing-government-grievance-list-with-canberra/adc10554-e4e9-4a19-970e-81949501a1ad
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:With regards the submarines it was more them acquiescing to our request. If the US thought they needed more subs they’d just build more of their own.
It does seem to come across as Australia being the desperate friend of America.
I dunno if we’re desperate but China had Australia in the dog-house for 3 years because we had the temerity to not cower in fear. Their 14 grievances:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/china-australia-tensions-beijing-government-grievance-list-with-canberra/adc10554-e4e9-4a19-970e-81949501a1ad
Yes it I think its good we didn’t suck up to them, we should do it more often
We could say to the USA sorry we aren’t getting involved this time.
I personally think the USA presidents say some nice words of friendship and we get involved in some conflict for no good reason.
I wonder if they just think of us as another asset to take advantage of
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
“This week, Anthony Albanese screwed into place the last shackle in the long chain the United States has laid out to contain China,” Mr Keating said in a written statement issued before he addressed the National Press Club on Wednesday.
“No mealy-mouthed talk of ‘stabilisation’ in our China relationship or resort to softer or polite language will disguise from the Chinese the extent and intent of our commitment to United States’s strategic hegemony in East Asia with all its deadly portents.
“History will be the judge of this project in the end. But I want my name clearly recorded among those who say it is a mistake. Who believes that, despite its enormous cost, it does not offer a solution to the challenge of great power competition in the region or to the security of the Australian people and its continent.”
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Onya Paul
Cymek said:
I wonder if they just think of us as another asset to take advantage of
Honestly you don’t have to wonder.
Kothos said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if they just think of us as another asset to take advantage of
Honestly you don’t have to wonder.
True
Cymek said:
Kothos said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if they just think of us as another asset to take advantage of
Honestly you don’t have to wonder.
True
^ ^^ ^^^
Does Paul Keating have a solution?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Does Paul Keating have a solution?
d’n‘o’ you’d have to ask him
though fair to say that even a shit solution might be the best one available
I realise Australia’s got to pay a bit for defence, but I have to admit I was surprised at the 368 billion dollar price tag for a single program within one branch of defence.
dv said:
I realise Australia’s got to pay a bit for defence, but I have to admit I was surprised at the 368 billion dollar price tag for a single program within one branch of defence.
We’ve been down this path before and been left holding lemons.
dv said:
I realise Australia’s got to pay a bit for defence, but I have to admit I was surprised at the 368 billion dollar price tag for a single program within one branch of defence.
You didn’t think they actually spent ten thousand dollars for a hammer and thirty thousand for a toilet seat, did you?
Ian said:
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
“This week, Anthony Albanese screwed into place the last shackle in the long chain the United States has laid out to contain China,” Mr Keating said in a written statement issued before he addressed the National Press Club on Wednesday.
“No mealy-mouthed talk of ‘stabilisation’ in our China relationship or resort to softer or polite language will disguise from the Chinese the extent and intent of our commitment to United States’s strategic hegemony in East Asia with all its deadly portents.
“History will be the judge of this project in the end. But I want my name clearly recorded among those who say it is a mistake. Who believes that, despite its enormous cost, it does not offer a solution to the challenge of great power competition in the region or to the security of the Australian people and its continent.”
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Onya Paul
He’s not wrong .
But, we’re a small nation, and China is a big nation with ambitions to be the boss nation in our region. To be the country which says ‘jump’, and to have the other countries say ‘yes, sir, how high, sir?’.
If we don’t want that, we need friends.
We could be part of a multilateral coalition of nations in the region (and, in many ways, we already are), but multilateral coalitions usually have multiple points of weakness and many potential points of failure.
An alliance with another big nation is an insurance policy. In that regard, we have only one choice.
We’re going to be part of one hegemony or the other. Do we want to be part of China’s?
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
buffy said:
The old Labor men are grumbling.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-15/paul-keating-anthony-albanese-penny-wong-aukus-nuclear-china/102098142
“This week, Anthony Albanese screwed into place the last shackle in the long chain the United States has laid out to contain China,” Mr Keating said in a written statement issued before he addressed the National Press Club on Wednesday.
“No mealy-mouthed talk of ‘stabilisation’ in our China relationship or resort to softer or polite language will disguise from the Chinese the extent and intent of our commitment to United States’s strategic hegemony in East Asia with all its deadly portents.
“History will be the judge of this project in the end. But I want my name clearly recorded among those who say it is a mistake. Who believes that, despite its enormous cost, it does not offer a solution to the challenge of great power competition in the region or to the security of the Australian people and its continent.”
.
Onya Paul
He’s not wrong .
But, we’re a small nation, and China is a big nation with ambitions to be the boss nation in our region. To be the country which says ‘jump’, and to have the other countries say ‘yes, sir, how high, sir?’.
If we don’t want that, we need friends.
We could be part of a multilateral coalition of nations in the region (and, in many ways, we already are), but multilateral coalitions usually have multiple points of weakness and many potential points of failure.
An alliance with another big nation is an insurance policy. In that regard, we have only one choice.
We’re going to be part of one hegemony or the other. Do we want to be part of China’s?
Yes, yes. Why should we move beyond 18th century great power games? Failed States is such a model of stability.
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:“This week, Anthony Albanese screwed into place the last shackle in the long chain the United States has laid out to contain China,” Mr Keating said in a written statement issued before he addressed the National Press Club on Wednesday.
“No mealy-mouthed talk of ‘stabilisation’ in our China relationship or resort to softer or polite language will disguise from the Chinese the extent and intent of our commitment to United States’s strategic hegemony in East Asia with all its deadly portents.
“History will be the judge of this project in the end. But I want my name clearly recorded among those who say it is a mistake. Who believes that, despite its enormous cost, it does not offer a solution to the challenge of great power competition in the region or to the security of the Australian people and its continent.”
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Onya Paul
He’s not wrong .
But, we’re a small nation, and China is a big nation with ambitions to be the boss nation in our region. To be the country which says ‘jump’, and to have the other countries say ‘yes, sir, how high, sir?’.
If we don’t want that, we need friends.
We could be part of a multilateral coalition of nations in the region (and, in many ways, we already are), but multilateral coalitions usually have multiple points of weakness and many potential points of failure.
An alliance with another big nation is an insurance policy. In that regard, we have only one choice.
We’re going to be part of one hegemony or the other. Do we want to be part of China’s?
Yes, yes. Why should we move beyond 18th century great power games? Failed States is such a model of stability.
What do you suggest, Ian?
Paul Keating is an employee of the Chinese government.
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:He’s not wrong .
But, we’re a small nation, and China is a big nation with ambitions to be the boss nation in our region. To be the country which says ‘jump’, and to have the other countries say ‘yes, sir, how high, sir?’.
If we don’t want that, we need friends.
We could be part of a multilateral coalition of nations in the region (and, in many ways, we already are), but multilateral coalitions usually have multiple points of weakness and many potential points of failure.
An alliance with another big nation is an insurance policy. In that regard, we have only one choice.
We’re going to be part of one hegemony or the other. Do we want to be part of China’s?
Yes, yes. Why should we move beyond 18th century great power games? Failed States is such a model of stability.
What do you suggest, Ian?
Perhaps something more 21st century?
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:He’s not wrong .
But, we’re a small nation, and China is a big nation with ambitions to be the boss nation in our region. To be the country which says ‘jump’, and to have the other countries say ‘yes, sir, how high, sir?’.
If we don’t want that, we need friends.
We could be part of a multilateral coalition of nations in the region (and, in many ways, we already are), but multilateral coalitions usually have multiple points of weakness and many potential points of failure.
An alliance with another big nation is an insurance policy. In that regard, we have only one choice.
We’re going to be part of one hegemony or the other. Do we want to be part of China’s?
Yes, yes. Why should we move beyond 18th century great power games? Failed States is such a model of stability.
What do you suggest, Ian?
Walk away from AUKUS and the subs to start with.
It isn’t just that we crawl up the backside of the USA. In recent years we have not kept up our friendships with our closest neighbours and now Murdoch and some Libs want to pursue the pissing off of China.
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:Yes, yes. Why should we move beyond 18th century great power games? Failed States is such a model of stability.
What do you suggest, Ian?
Walk away from AUKUS and the subs to start with.
And walk towards…?
sarahs mum said:
It isn’t just that we crawl up the backside of the USA. In recent years we have not kept up our friendships with our closest neighbours and now Murdoch and some Libs want to pursue the pissing off of China.
Yeah our behaviour has been poor and now we are sucking up so they agree to security agreements
sarahs mum said:
It isn’t just that we crawl up the backside of the USA. In recent years we have not kept up our friendships with our closest neighbours and now Murdoch and some Libs want to pursue the pissing off of China.
Keating is criticising Labor’s policies. And again, he’s a Chinese government employee, on the “advisory council” of the Chinese Government Development Bank.
This is a man who was Australian Treasurer during the Beijing massacre, which he now never mentions.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
It isn’t just that we crawl up the backside of the USA. In recent years we have not kept up our friendships with our closest neighbours and now Murdoch and some Libs want to pursue the pissing off of China.
Keating is criticising Labor’s policies. And again, he’s a Chinese government employee, on the “advisory council” of the Chinese Government Development Bank.
This is a man who was Australian Treasurer during the Beijing massacre, which he now never mentions.
He always did kknow where to get butter for his bread.
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:What do you suggest, Ian?
Walk away from AUKUS and the subs to start with.
And walk towards…?
Why do you think we have to pick a side?
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:What do you suggest, Ian?
Walk away from AUKUS and the subs to start with.
And walk towards…?
Not the light Carol Anne
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
It isn’t just that we crawl up the backside of the USA. In recent years we have not kept up our friendships with our closest neighbours and now Murdoch and some Libs want to pursue the pissing off of China.
Keating is criticising Labor’s policies. And again, he’s a Chinese government employee, on the “advisory council” of the Chinese Government Development Bank.
This is a man who was Australian Treasurer during the Beijing massacre, which he now never mentions.
I think Keating is very dated these days with things that were important to him then, still being his most important. He is not aging well.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
It isn’t just that we crawl up the backside of the USA. In recent years we have not kept up our friendships with our closest neighbours and now Murdoch and some Libs want to pursue the pissing off of China.
Keating is criticising Labor’s policies. And again, he’s a Chinese government employee, on the “advisory council” of the Chinese Government Development Bank.
This is a man who was Australian Treasurer during the Beijing massacre, which he now never mentions.
I think Keating is very dated these days with things that were important to him then, still being his most important. He is not aging well.
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:Walk away from AUKUS and the subs to start with.
And walk towards…?
Why do you think we have to pick a side?
I see, so if China embarks on military adventures in our backyard, we just have to be really nice to them and adopt policies that they approve, and they’ll be kind enough to leave us alone.
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:Walk away from AUKUS and the subs to start with.
And walk towards…?
Why do you think we have to pick a side?
Its depressing that on planet Earth we have to choose between the lesser of multiple evils (that’s open to interpretation as well)
No nation in existence has blood free hands, some are absolutely shocking with how they have acted in the past, present and likely the future.
They make out its all black and white and they are good and others are bad, sorry that’s not true.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:And walk towards…?
Why do you think we have to pick a side?
I see, so if China embarks on military adventures in our backyard, we just have to be really nice to them and adopt policies that they approve, and they’ll be kind enough to leave us alone.
Oh yes. I forgot.
THE YELLOW PERIL ARE COMING!
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:Why do you think we have to pick a side?
I see, so if China embarks on military adventures in our backyard, we just have to be really nice to them and adopt policies that they approve, and they’ll be kind enough to leave us alone.
Oh yes. I forgot.
THE YELLOW PERIL ARE COMING!
If only it were that cartoonish.
Unfortunately the Chinese government, like the Russians, would happily engage in further territorial expansion if they thought they could get away with it.
But like Russia, China has nothing to fear from us as long they don’t start invading other countries. We have to make it clear that the West opposes such empire-building and we can’t do that convincingly without strong Western military alliances.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-property-crisis-steve-owns-12-properties-and-is-swimming-in-debt/30c23332-50b6-4f22-9a5b-20cc420f42d5
JudgeMental said:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-property-crisis-steve-owns-12-properties-and-is-swimming-in-debt/30c23332-50b6-4f22-9a5b-20cc420f42d5
Aw.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:I see, so if China embarks on military adventures in our backyard, we just have to be really nice to them and adopt policies that they approve, and they’ll be kind enough to leave us alone.
Oh yes. I forgot.
THE YELLOW PERIL ARE COMING!
If only it were that cartoonish.
Unfortunately the Chinese government, like the Russians, would happily engage in further territorial expansion if they thought they could get away with it.
But like Russia, China has nothing to fear from us as long they don’t start invading other countries. We have to make it clear that the West opposes such empire-building and we can’t do that convincingly without strong Western military alliances.
It seems so
sarahs mum said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-property-crisis-steve-owns-12-properties-and-is-swimming-in-debt/30c23332-50b6-4f22-9a5b-20cc420f42d5Aw.
Yeah I don’t really feel alot for Steve. I mean it sucks I guess. But still ….. that’s a lot of real estate…. sell it?
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-property-crisis-steve-owns-12-properties-and-is-swimming-in-debt/30c23332-50b6-4f22-9a5b-20cc420f42d5Aw.
Yeah I don’t really feel alot for Steve. I mean it sucks I guess. But still ….. that’s a lot of real estate…. sell it?
Yes, it seems a bit much complaining that he can’t get the pension when he could presumably sell enough properties to qualify.
I think that Ian may has missed my question to him about what alternatives he might suggest, after we walk away from AUKUS and the submarines.
I may have expressed it poorly.
captain_spalding said:
I think that Ian may has missed my question to him about what alternatives he might suggest, after we walk away from AUKUS and the submarines.I may have expressed it poorly.
sure, what’s the alternative for CHINA, stop improving its defence capabilities, let imperialists run all over them for another 100 years or what
Trevtaowillgetyounowhere said:
sarahs mum said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-property-crisis-steve-owns-12-properties-and-is-swimming-in-debt/30c23332-50b6-4f22-9a5b-20cc420f42d5
Aw.
Yeah I don’t really feel alot for Steve. I mean it sucks I guess. But still ….. that’s a lot of real estate…. sell it?
exactly, imagine calling a liquidity problem a poverty problem
“We are really struggling financially,” Steve told 9news.com.au.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
I think that Ian may has missed my question to him about what alternatives he might suggest, after we walk away from AUKUS and the submarines.I may have expressed it poorly.
sure, what’s the alternative for CHINA, stop improving its defence capabilities, let imperialists run all over them for another 100 years or what
So you generally think the West wants to invade China? Like we want to invade Russia, I suppose.
We have a craving to take over backward countries full of dirt-poor people, presumably so we can build cheap holiday homes.
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:Why do you think we have to pick a side?
I see, so if China embarks on military adventures in our backyard, we just have to be really nice to them and adopt policies that they approve, and they’ll be kind enough to leave us alone.
Oh yes. I forgot.
THE YELLOW PERIL ARE COMING!
Don’t forget the dominoes.
buffy said:
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:I see, so if China embarks on military adventures in our backyard, we just have to be really nice to them and adopt policies that they approve, and they’ll be kind enough to leave us alone.
Oh yes. I forgot.
THE YELLOW PERIL ARE COMING!
Don’t forget the dominoes.
And the Reds under the beds.
buffy said:
buffy said:
Ian said:Oh yes. I forgot.
THE YELLOW PERIL ARE COMING!
Don’t forget the dominoes.
And the Reds under the beds.
….if only it were that cartoonish.
He says he stopped being the chairman of the China Development Board a while ago and that hisnhonorarium was only 5000 per year.
To put it mildly, this surprises me. I would not have thought someone in Keating’s position would accept a gig for such a poirly paid job, even if they only met once a year.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
buffy said:Don’t forget the dominoes.
And the Reds under the beds.
….if only it were that cartoonish.
e.g., Ukrainians aren’t desperately defending their country against “Reds” they’re defending against an expansionist Russia under a pretty much crazy right-wing Russian government.
China has expansionist tendencies and a totalitarian government that can’t be relied on for long term stability and good intentions.
dv said:
He says he stopped being the chairman of the China Development Board a while ago and that hisnhonorarium was only 5000 per year.To put it mildly, this surprises me. I would not have thought someone in Keating’s position would accept a gig for such a poirly paid job, even if they only met once a year.
Sometimes it’s not what the job itself pays that’s the attraction, it’s the favours and tokens of appreciation from those that the position enables you to assist.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:And the Reds under the beds.
….if only it were that cartoonish.
e.g., Ukrainians aren’t desperately defending their country against “Reds” they’re defending against an expansionist Russia under a pretty much crazy right-wing Russian government.
China has expansionist tendencies and a totalitarian government that can’t be relied on for long term stability and good intentions.
Nay it is because Xi Jinping’s new, 37-member cabinet has been stacked with loyalists.
That their economic woes could short circuit Xi Jinping’s expansionist plans has not yet occurred to him.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:….if only it were that cartoonish.
e.g., Ukrainians aren’t desperately defending their country against “Reds” they’re defending against an expansionist Russia under a pretty much crazy right-wing Russian government.
China has expansionist tendencies and a totalitarian government that can’t be relied on for long term stability and good intentions.
Nay it is because Xi Jinping’s new, 37-member cabinet has been stacked with loyalists.
That their economic woes could short circuit Xi Jinping’s expansionist plans has not yet occurred to him.
That’s where a nice war comes in handy. Nothing like a conflict to distract from domestic troubles, unite the populace, and boost the economy.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:e.g., Ukrainians aren’t desperately defending their country against “Reds” they’re defending against an expansionist Russia under a pretty much crazy right-wing Russian government.
China has expansionist tendencies and a totalitarian government that can’t be relied on for long term stability and good intentions.
Nay it is because Xi Jinping’s new, 37-member cabinet has been stacked with loyalists.
That their economic woes could short circuit Xi Jinping’s expansionist plans has not yet occurred to him.
That’s where a nice war comes in handy. Nothing like a conflict to distract from domestic troubles, unite the populace, and boost the economy.
That’s what they have been used for in the past.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
And the Reds under the beds.
….if only it were that cartoonish.
e.g., Ukrainians aren’t desperately defending their country against “Reds” they’re defending against an expansionist Russia under a pretty much crazy right-wing Russian government.
China has expansionist tendencies and a totalitarian government that can’t be relied on for long term stability and good intentions.
but why should Ukraine defend a self-governing territory that decides to join the expansionist enemy which has a crazy right-wing Republican government
Bubblecar said:
We have a craving to take over backward countries full of dirt-poor people, presumably so we can build cheap holiday homes.
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like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
We have a craving to take over backward countries full of dirt-poor people, presumably so we can build cheap holiday homes.
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like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
You’re living in a cartoon world that hasn’t really existed for some time.
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
We have a craving to take over backward countries full of dirt-poor people, presumably so we can build cheap holiday homes.
¿¿
like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
Well, if China is arming and expanding its borders in response to fears of wars of colonisation, then it’s falling prey to the classic failing of strategists i.e. they’re getting ready to fight the war that’s last war (as in the one that happened most recently).
Hasn’t been a lot of desire to ‘colonise’ China since about the middle of the 19th century.
If they’re building up as a response to their historic inability to defend themselves during past 150 years (what they call ‘the century of shame’), then they might perhaps care to recall that their most recent, and historically largest, humiliation on Chinese soil was inflicted (indeed, in a war of colonisation) not by Americans or Europeans, but by an Asian nation.
Given their claims to be the legitimate government of Taiwan, their claims over almost all of the South China Sea, and their disputes with Japan over the southern Ryuku islands, it seems that their belligerence is quite probably in regard to a war of colonisation, but more likely the prosecution of one rather than defence from one.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
We have a craving to take over backward countries full of dirt-poor people, presumably so we can build cheap holiday homes.
¿¿
like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
You’re living in a cartoon world that hasn’t really existed for some time.
so what we’re agreeing on is that if the gains were made a little while back, even if violently, then as long as they’ve been consolidated and given the veneer of populist popular legitimacy by electoral manipulation, they’re correct gains
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
We have a craving to take over backward countries full of dirt-poor people, presumably so we can build cheap holiday homes.
¿¿
like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
Well, if China is arming and expanding its borders in response to fears of wars of colonisation, then it’s falling prey to the classic failing of strategists i.e. they’re getting ready to fight the war that’s last war (as in the one that happened most recently).
Hasn’t been a lot of desire to ‘colonise’ China since about the middle of the 19th century.
If they’re building up as a response to their historic inability to defend themselves during past 150 years (what they call ‘the century of shame’), then they might perhaps care to recall that their most recent, and historically largest, humiliation on Chinese soil was inflicted (indeed, in a war of colonisation) not by Americans or Europeans, but by an Asian nation.
Given their claims to be the legitimate government of Taiwan, their claims over almost all of the South China Sea, and their disputes with Japan over the southern Ryuku islands, it seems that their belligerence is quite probably in regard to a war of colonisation, but more likely the prosecution of one rather than defence from one.
shrug we’re old enough to remember when the history books still told us that the Mainland Taiwan government came from West Taiwan and claimed to be CHINA, and there was such a thing as a one of CHINA, but sure, disputed islands and oceans are another part of the issue
you say they recall a recent largest humiliation by an ASIAN nation, all right, does it carry any significance then if another ASIAN nation allies itself with a bunch of fascists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact
oh wait
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
¿¿
like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
You’re living in a cartoon world that hasn’t really existed for some time.
so what we’re agreeing on is that if the gains were made a little while back, even if violently, then as long as they’ve been consolidated and given the veneer of
populistpopular legitimacy by electoral manipulation, they’re correct gains
They can oly be gains once the wand of seasonally adjusted is waived.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
¿¿
like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
Well, if China is arming and expanding its borders in response to fears of wars of colonisation, then it’s falling prey to the classic failing of strategists i.e. they’re getting ready to fight the war that’s last war (as in the one that happened most recently).
Hasn’t been a lot of desire to ‘colonise’ China since about the middle of the 19th century.
If they’re building up as a response to their historic inability to defend themselves during past 150 years (what they call ‘the century of shame’), then they might perhaps care to recall that their most recent, and historically largest, humiliation on Chinese soil was inflicted (indeed, in a war of colonisation) not by Americans or Europeans, but by an Asian nation.
Given their claims to be the legitimate government of Taiwan, their claims over almost all of the South China Sea, and their disputes with Japan over the southern Ryuku islands, it seems that their belligerence is quite probably in regard to a war of colonisation, but more likely the prosecution of one rather than defence from one.
shrug we’re old enough to remember when the history books still told us that the Mainland Taiwan government came from West Taiwan and claimed to be CHINA, and there was such a thing as a one of CHINA, but sure, disputed islands and oceans are another part of the issue
you say they recall a recent largest humiliation by an ASIAN nation, all right, does it carry any significance then if another ASIAN nation allies itself with a bunch of fascists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact
oh wait
So what are they going to call it if Japan and India join?
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
¿¿
like literally the past 200 years has been high tea and parties oh fk wait
You’re living in a cartoon world that hasn’t really existed for some time.
so what we’re agreeing on is that if the gains were made a little while back, even if violently, then as long as they’ve been consolidated and given the veneer of
populistpopular legitimacy by electoral manipulation, they’re correct gains
Aww…did you miss the whole decolonisation/independence thing of the post-WW2 era? Never mind.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Bubblecar said:
You’re living in a cartoon world that hasn’t really existed for some time.
so what we’re agreeing on is that if the gains were made a little while back, even if violently, then as long as they’ve been consolidated and given the veneer of
populistpopular legitimacy by electoral manipulation, they’re correct gainsAww…did you miss the whole decolonisation/independence thing of the post-WW2 era? Never mind.
we’re living in Australia is that correct
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:so what we’re agreeing on is that if the gains were made a little while back, even if violently, then as long as they’ve been consolidated and given the veneer of
populistpopular legitimacy by electoral manipulation, they’re correct gainsAww…did you miss the whole decolonisation/independence thing of the post-WW2 era? Never mind.
we’re living in Australia is that correct
hard having a discussion when people don’t keep up eh SCIENCE?
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Aww…did you miss the whole decolonisation/independence thing of the post-WW2 era? Never mind.
we’re living in Australia is that correct
hard having a discussion when people don’t keep up eh SCIENCE?
well all right if this subthread is about CHINA then technically that last little bit was returned in 1997 but with conditions, that makes it all right
The whole reason there is talk of a Chinese military conflict to return Taiwan to the motherland is because the PRC has become more repressive under Xi. Deng Xiaoping secured the return of Hong Kong to China while promising to respect the existing institutions in place there under One Country- Two Systems.
Xi has thrown that out the window in Hong Kong by restricting basic freedoms, muzzling the free press, curbing the right to protest etc With peaceful reunification with the PRC looking increasingly unlikely Taiwan is right to be fearful that their basic democratic freedoms are under threat from military conflict from an increasingly authoritarian and belligerent China.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The whole reason there is talk of a Chinese military conflict to return Taiwan to the motherland is because the PRC has become more repressive under Xi. Deng Xiaoping secured the return of Hong Kong to China while promising to respect the existing institutions in place there under One Country- Two Systems.Xi has thrown that out the window in Hong Kong by restricting basic freedoms, muzzling the free press, curbing the right to protest etc With peaceful reunification with the PRC looking increasingly unlikely Taiwan is right to be fearful that their basic democratic freedoms are under threat from military conflict from an increasingly authoritarian and belligerent China.
That’s all true but he’s got that benevolent trustworthy face.
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The whole reason there is talk of a Chinese military conflict to return Taiwan to the motherland is because the PRC has become more repressive under Xi. Deng Xiaoping secured the return of Hong Kong to China while promising to respect the existing institutions in place there under One Country- Two Systems.
Xi has thrown that out the window in Hong Kong by restricting basic freedoms, muzzling the free press, curbing the right to protest etc With peaceful reunification with the PRC looking increasingly unlikely Taiwan is right to be fearful that their basic democratic freedoms are under threat from military conflict from an increasingly authoritarian and belligerent China.
That’s all true but he’s got that benevolent trustworthy face.
Fuck 嬴政 and all that they did¡
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The whole reason there is talk of a Chinese military conflict to return Taiwan to the motherland is because the PRC has become more repressive under Xi. Deng Xiaoping secured the return of Hong Kong to China while promising to respect the existing institutions in place there under One Country- Two Systems.
Xi has thrown that out the window in Hong Kong by restricting basic freedoms, muzzling the free press, curbing the right to protest etc With peaceful reunification with the PRC looking increasingly unlikely Taiwan is right to be fearful that their basic democratic freedoms are under threat from military conflict from an increasingly authoritarian and belligerent China.
That’s all true but he’s got that benevolent trustworthy face.
Fuck 嬴政 and all that they did¡
What we do know is that Prime Minister Dutton won’t take any shit from him in the future.
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:Peak Warming Man said:
That’s all true but he’s got that benevolent trustworthy face.
Fuck 嬴政 and all that they did¡
What we do know is that Prime Minister Dutton won’t take any shit from him in the future.
Dutton is like Abbott, all talk but a chicken shit fascist at his core.
Kothos said:
Peak Warming Man said:
SCIENCE said:Fuck 嬴政 and all that they did¡
What we do know is that Prime Minister Dutton won’t take any shit from him in the future.
Dutton is like Abbott, all talk but a chicken shit fascist at his core.
I think even PWM realises that Dutton is totally unsuited for PM and will never be granted that role.
Bubblecar said:
Kothos said:
Peak Warming Man said:What we do know is that Prime Minister Dutton won’t take any shit from him in the future.
Dutton is like Abbott, all talk but a chicken shit fascist at his core.
I think even PWM realises that Dutton is totally unsuited for PM and will never be granted that role.
It’s often hard to tell what PWWM really thinks.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Kothos said:Dutton is like Abbott, all talk but a chicken shit fascist at his core.
I think even PWM realises that Dutton is totally unsuited for PM and will never be granted that role.
It’s often hard to tell what PWWM really thinks.
He thinks what SkyNews tells him to think.
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humans are awesome and when fascists start the next world war they won’t commit any atrocities at all
SCIENCE said:
humans are awesome and when fascists start the next world war they won’t commit any atrocities at all
what. again.
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2023/03/end-this-crude-smear-against-conservatives-hitlers-nazis-were-in-fact-left-wing-racists.html
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
wait do people really lie, misrepresent, or otherwise disinform when it’s convenient
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
wait do people really lie, misrepresent, or otherwise disinform when it’s convenient
All the time.
Their truth is representative of their belief.