Date: 7/03/2023 11:11:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2003531
Subject: Counting systems

Are there any languages/cultures in the world that have a standard counting system other than base 10?

If not, why not?

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:14:39
From: Kothos
ID: 2003534
Subject: re: Counting systems

The Rev Dodgson said:


Are there any languages/cultures in the world that have a standard counting system other than base 10?

If not, why not?

Right now, I don’t think so. Probably for the same reason we all pretty much use the same calendar – standardisation.

In the past, I think bases 8, 12, 16, 60 and others might have been used at certain times by certain peoples. I’d have to check.

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:17:11
From: Tamb
ID: 2003535
Subject: re: Counting systems

Kothos said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Are there any languages/cultures in the world that have a standard counting system other than base 10?

If not, why not?

Right now, I don’t think so. Probably for the same reason we all pretty much use the same calendar – standardisation.

In the past, I think bases 8, 12, 16, 60 and others might have been used at certain times by certain peoples. I’d have to check.


I think the Aztecs used a base 20 system.

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:19:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2003537
Subject: re: Counting systems

Tamb said:


Kothos said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are there any languages/cultures in the world that have a standard counting system other than base 10?

If not, why not?

Right now, I don’t think so. Probably for the same reason we all pretty much use the same calendar – standardisation.

In the past, I think bases 8, 12, 16, 60 and others might have been used at certain times by certain peoples. I’d have to check.


I think the Aztecs used a base 20 system.

That makes sense I suppose.

Base 5 would seem handy as well.

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:19:44
From: Kothos
ID: 2003538
Subject: re: Counting systems

Tamb said:


Kothos said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Are there any languages/cultures in the world that have a standard counting system other than base 10?

If not, why not?

Right now, I don’t think so. Probably for the same reason we all pretty much use the same calendar – standardisation.

In the past, I think bases 8, 12, 16, 60 and others might have been used at certain times by certain peoples. I’d have to check.


I think the Aztecs used a base 20 system.

You’re right, I just looked it up. And the Mayans used base-20 and base-18. The Babylonians used base-60.

Different bases are used in different contexts. We still use bases-2, -8, and -6 in the computer industry,

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:23:29
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2003541
Subject: re: Counting systems

Kothos said:


Tamb said:

Kothos said:

Right now, I don’t think so. Probably for the same reason we all pretty much use the same calendar – standardisation.

In the past, I think bases 8, 12, 16, 60 and others might have been used at certain times by certain peoples. I’d have to check.


I think the Aztecs used a base 20 system.

You’re right, I just looked it up. And the Mayans used base-20 and base-18. The Babylonians used base-60.

Different bases are used in different contexts. We still use bases-2, -8, and -6 in the computer industry,

I learned base 2, 8 and 16 in my time with mainframes.

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:23:46
From: dv
ID: 2003542
Subject: re: Counting systems

The Rev Dodgson said:


Are there any languages/cultures in the world that have a standard counting system other than base 10?

If not, why not?

Yes. Some of the N.T. languages use a quinary system, including Nunggubuyu.

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:24:47
From: Kothos
ID: 2003543
Subject: re: Counting systems

Turns out base-12 was used by various groups around central Nigeria.

The old English pound was also somewhat related to base-12.

And of course, time is still counted in 12s or 24s.

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:28:20
From: Kothos
ID: 2003545
Subject: re: Counting systems

Just read that the fact we have special words for “eleven” and “twelve” indicates that old Indo-European languages may have had base-12 systems (or base-4, but I’m still trying to find the source of that quote).

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:31:25
From: Kothos
ID: 2003550
Subject: re: Counting systems

This is interesting: https://web.archive.org/web/20081005230737/http://www3.aa.tufs.ac.jp/~P_aflang/TEXTS/oct98/decimal.html

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:34:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2003552
Subject: re: Counting systems

Kothos said:

Just read that the fact we have special words for “eleven” and “twelve” indicates that old Indo-European languages may have had base-12 systems (or base-4, but I’m still trying to find the source of that quote).

Yeah, but we spoil it by going straight from nineteen to twenty, rather than tenteen eleventeen.

And it should be “tween” rather than “teen”.

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Date: 7/03/2023 11:37:24
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2003554
Subject: re: Counting systems

In PNG, when using Pidgeon English, the numbers are wunpella, topella, and tripella. (spelling on those is a guess)
It means, one, two, many. And that’s it.

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Date: 7/03/2023 12:28:01
From: Woodie
ID: 2003590
Subject: re: Counting systems

Try vigesimal.

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Date: 7/03/2023 12:49:56
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2003599
Subject: re: Counting systems

Woodie said:


Try vigesimal.

Does it come with salad and chips?

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Date: 7/03/2023 12:54:16
From: buffy
ID: 2003600
Subject: re: Counting systems

Spiny Norman said:


In PNG, when using Pidgeon English, the numbers are wunpella, topella, and tripella. (spelling on those is a guess)
It means, one, two, many. And that’s it.

Oh, I listened to Lik Lik Pik sooooo many times as a child. We loved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H61y75G0A24

(My father did some engineering work in NG and brought home various curiosities, one of which was a record of Lik Lik Pik. I’m not really sure bringing his early teenage daughter fertility beads was appropriate, but perhaps he didn’t know what they were)

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Date: 7/03/2023 13:05:48
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2003605
Subject: re: Counting systems

buffy said:


Spiny Norman said:

In PNG, when using Pidgeon English, the numbers are wunpella, topella, and tripella. (spelling on those is a guess)
It means, one, two, many. And that’s it.

Oh, I listened to Lik Lik Pik sooooo many times as a child. We loved it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H61y75G0A24

(My father did some engineering work in NG and brought home various curiosities, one of which was a record of Lik Lik Pik. I’m not really sure bringing his early teenage daughter fertility beads was appropriate, but perhaps he didn’t know what they were)

My fave PNG advert. The free pig at Boroko Motors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3JanMjnGzQ

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Date: 7/03/2023 13:22:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2003621
Subject: re: Counting systems

Kothos said:

Just read that the fact we have special words for “eleven” and “twelve” indicates that old Indo-European languages may have had base-12 systems (or base-4, but I’m still trying to find the source of that quote).

Probably from people with six fingered hands?

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Date: 7/03/2023 13:38:11
From: Tamb
ID: 2003630
Subject: re: Counting systems

roughbarked said:


Kothos said:

Just read that the fact we have special words for “eleven” and “twelve” indicates that old Indo-European languages may have had base-12 systems (or base-4, but I’m still trying to find the source of that quote).

Probably from people with six fingered hands?


Polydactylism

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Date: 7/03/2023 15:07:06
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2003682
Subject: re: Counting systems

most use 60 in modern time

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Date: 7/03/2023 16:09:31
From: becklefreckle
ID: 2003731
Subject: re: Counting systems

roughbarked said:


Kothos said:

Just read that the fact we have special words for “eleven” and “twelve” indicates that old Indo-European languages may have had base-12 systems (or base-4, but I’m still trying to find the source of that quote).

Probably from people with six fingered hands?

I think they counted knuckles – three joints on four fingers makes 12. Probably a factoid from QI, so could be dubious…

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Date: 7/03/2023 16:12:46
From: Cymek
ID: 2003734
Subject: re: Counting systems

Sesame street is base 12

12345 678910 11 12

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Date: 7/03/2023 16:15:27
From: Cymek
ID: 2003736
Subject: re: Counting systems

Storage device manufacturers use a half arsed version of base 2, rounding if downwards

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Date: 7/03/2023 16:36:50
From: Kothos
ID: 2003741
Subject: re: Counting systems

Cymek said:


Sesame street is base 12

12345 678910 11 12

And typically we still learn up to 12 times tables in school.

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Date: 7/03/2023 16:54:05
From: Tamb
ID: 2003745
Subject: re: Counting systems

Kothos said:


Cymek said:

Sesame street is base 12

12345 678910 11 12

And typically we still learn up to 12 times tables in school.


That’s a carry over from the old lsd days of 12 pence in a shilling.

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:01:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2003748
Subject: re: Counting systems

1760

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:08:17
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2003749
Subject: re: Counting systems

Tamb said:


Kothos said:

Cymek said:

Sesame street is base 12

12345 678910 11 12

And typically we still learn up to 12 times tables in school.


That’s a carry over from the old lsd days of 12 pence in a shilling.

Probably the most useful thing I was ever taught at school.
I probably use it every day to do maths in my head.

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:11:29
From: Tamb
ID: 2003751
Subject: re: Counting systems

Peak Warming Man said:


Tamb said:

Kothos said:

And typically we still learn up to 12 times tables in school.


That’s a carry over from the old lsd days of 12 pence in a shilling.

Probably the most useful thing I was ever taught at school.
I probably use it every day to do maths in my head.


I don’t use 12 times very often but 2 to 10 times all the time.

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:14:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2003754
Subject: re: Counting systems

becklefreckle said:


roughbarked said:

Kothos said:

Just read that the fact we have special words for “eleven” and “twelve” indicates that old Indo-European languages may have had base-12 systems (or base-4, but I’m still trying to find the source of that quote).

Probably from people with six fingered hands?

I think they counted knuckles – three joints on four fingers makes 12. Probably a factoid from QI, so could be dubious…

I think you might be on to something there. It seems to rattle the picket fence around my memory.

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:20:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2003755
Subject: re: Counting systems

Tamb said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Tamb said:

That’s a carry over from the old lsd days of 12 pence in a shilling.

Probably the most useful thing I was ever taught at school.
I probably use it every day to do maths in my head.


I don’t use 12 times very often but 2 to 10 times all the time.

I thought it strange at the time that we were taught all things 12 and my father could do hufe sums really quickly and he said that was because he counted in 10.

I tried it and never looked back.

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:23:09
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2003757
Subject: re: Counting systems

7

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:35:06
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2003761
Subject: re: Counting systems

Spiny Norman said:


In PNG, when using Pidgeon English, the numbers are wunpella, topella, and tripella. (spelling on those is a guess)
It means, one, two, many. And that’s it.

Pidgin English. Now known as Tok Pisin

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:37:57
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2003762
Subject: re: Counting systems

AussieDJ said:


Spiny Norman said:

In PNG, when using Pidgeon English, the numbers are wunpella, topella, and tripella. (spelling on those is a guess)
It means, one, two, many. And that’s it.

Pidgin English. Now known as Tok Pisin

Ta for the correction. I haven’t been there in about thirty years and do not miss any part of it.

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Date: 7/03/2023 17:38:58
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2003764
Subject: re: Counting systems

AussieDJ said:


Spiny Norman said:

In PNG, when using Pidgeon English, the numbers are wunpella, topella, and tripella. (spelling on those is a guess)
It means, one, two, many. And that’s it.

Pidgin English. Now known as Tok Pisin

Read …
https://www.abc.net.au/news/tok-pisin/

and, on radio – https://www.abc.net.au/pacific/programs/wantok

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Date: 7/03/2023 19:17:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2003779
Subject: re: Counting systems

roughbarked said:


Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Probably the most useful thing I was ever taught at school.
I probably use it every day to do maths in my head.


I don’t use 12 times very often but 2 to 10 times all the time.

I thought it strange at the time that we were taught all things 12 and my father could do hufe sums really quickly and he said that was because he counted in 10.

I tried it and never looked back.

Times tables up to 10 are fair enough, but 11 is going too far and 12 is just gross.

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Date: 7/03/2023 21:10:23
From: Kothos
ID: 2003844
Subject: re: Counting systems

Tamb said:


Kothos said:

Cymek said:

Sesame street is base 12

12345 678910 11 12

And typically we still learn up to 12 times tables in school.


That’s a carry over from the old lsd days of 12 pence in a shilling.

Ooohhh, that makes sense.

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Date: 8/03/2023 20:18:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2004213
Subject: re: Counting systems

Sexagesimal, also known as base 60 or sexagenary, is a numeral system with sixty as its base. It originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 3rd millennium BC, was passed down to the ancient Babylonians, and is still used—in a modified form—for measuring time, angles, and geographic coordinates. Wikipedia

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Date: 8/03/2023 20:23:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2004217
Subject: re: Counting systems

Zun Hundert and eleventy zun

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Date: 8/03/2023 20:27:04
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2004218
Subject: re: Counting systems

Hexadecimal

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Date: 8/03/2023 21:27:41
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2004227
Subject: re: Counting systems

9192631770

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Date: 16/03/2023 16:21:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2007745
Subject: re: Counting systems

wookiemeister said:


Sexagesimal, also known as base 60 or sexagenary, is a numeral system with sixty as its base. It originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 3rd millennium BC, was passed down to the ancient Babylonians, and is still used—in a modified form—for measuring time, angles, and geographic coordinates. Wikipedia

Yep.

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