Whoops, I meant to put something in that post. (I can’t see a March thread for Aust Pols)

Michelle Grattan on Dutton

interesting

SCIENCE said:

interesting

This is not something that’s just been ‘added’ to the Army’s training. Or that of the other Services.

It’s part of a legitimate role for defence forces, and not just in this country.

It’s known as ‘aid to civil power’, and it’s been part of the forces’ role since way ,way back when.

It’s not an activity that’s taken lightly, and it’s ALWAYS considered to be a very serious matter indeed. It would only be undertaken at the request of the relevant local civil authorities and with the approval the Defence Dept. Possible occasions would be when, for some reason, civil order has broken down in a locality, and local police forces and similar aren’t able to guarantee the safety of the general population, or the security of emergency supplies and their distribution, or of medical facilities and staff. That is, in the most dire of civil emergency situations.

It’s one thing to teach soldiers and sailors to fight against foreign forces who are well armed and wearing uniforms which identify them as ‘enemy’. It’s another thing entirely to go up against a mob of people, who may or my not be armed, who are dressed in civilian clothes which make them look like your own friends and family, and who may be people of your own country. The psychology is quite different.

So, when the infrequent occasions for aid-to-civil-power exercises come up, it makes sense to have the opposing mob dressed to appear as you might expect them to be in a real-life situation. Like any other training, it has to be as realistic as possible, and there will be a lot of push and shove. The people on the ‘military’ side are taught what degree of force is legitimate to use, and how to use their equipment accordingly, and with an emphasis on avoiding unnecessary injury whenever possible.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

interesting

This is not something that’s just been ‘added’ to the Army’s training. Or that of the other Services.

It’s part of a legitimate role for defence forces, and not just in this country.

It’s known as ‘aid to civil power’, and it’s been part of the forces’ role since way ,way back when.

It’s not an activity that’s taken lightly, and it’s ALWAYS considered to be a very serious matter indeed. It would only be undertaken at the request of the relevant local civil authorities and with the approval the Defence Dept. Possible occasions would be when, for some reason, civil order has broken down in a locality, and local police forces and similar aren’t able to guarantee the safety of the general population, or the security of emergency supplies and their distribution, or of medical facilities and staff. That is, in the most dire of civil emergency situations.

It’s one thing to teach soldiers and sailors to fight against foreign forces who are well armed and wearing uniforms which identify them as ‘enemy’. It’s another thing entirely to go up against a mob of people, who may or my not be armed, who are dressed in civilian clothes which make them look like your own friends and family, and who may be people of your own country. The psychology is quite different.

So, when the infrequent occasions for aid-to-civil-power exercises come up, it makes sense to have the opposing mob dressed to appear as you might expect them to be in a real-life situation. Like any other training, it has to be as realistic as possible, and there will be a lot of push and shove. The people on the ‘military’ side are taught what degree of force is legitimate to use, and how to use their equipment accordingly, and with an emphasis on avoiding unnecessary injury whenever possible.

This doesn’t seem like a good idea for an ad though. It immediately gives the wrong idea..

Kothos said:

This doesn’t seem like a good idea for an ad though. It immediately gives the wrong idea..

Yeah, i’d agree with that. Dunno what they were trying to get across with it. Might be time to find new ad agency.

captain_spalding said:

Kothos said:

This doesn’t seem like a good idea for an ad though. It immediately gives the wrong idea..

Yeah, i’d agree with that. Dunno what they were trying to get across with it. Might be time to find new ad agency.

things were better when the marketing executive was in charge

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Kothos said:

This doesn’t seem like a good idea for an ad though. It immediately gives the wrong idea..

Yeah, i’d agree with that. Dunno what they were trying to get across with it. Might be time to find new ad agency.

things were better when the marketing executive was in charge

For the Man from Marketing. yes.

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Kothos said:

This doesn’t seem like a good idea for an ad though. It immediately gives the wrong idea..

Yeah, i’d agree with that. Dunno what they were trying to get across with it. Might be time to find new ad agency.

things were better when the marketing executive was in charge

I imagine he would have had a scene with an Army officer puzzling over a map and compass, and calling into the radio ‘where the bloody hell are ya?’.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, i’d agree with that. Dunno what they were trying to get across with it. Might be time to find new ad agency.

things were better when the marketing executive was in charge

For the Man from Marketing. yes.

I imagine he would have had a scene with an Army officer puzzling over a map and compass, and calling into the radio ‘where the bloody hell are ya?’.

actually we jest but just realised that there actually was such a thing after all, the whole “Army choppers over Sydney’s Middle East” thing

truth, fiction, phrase, sigh

Anyone remember when, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bomb back in 1978, the L/NP govt got Australian Army troops to ‘patrol’ the railway line to Bowral and the streets of Bowral itself?

I doubt that there was anyone in the ADF at the time who didn’t consider this to be anything other than face-saving bullshit by the government, quite unnecessary, and none of the soldiers drafted into it really wanted to be there.

Armed forces walk Southern Highlands streets during the 1978 operation to ‘protect the leaders’.

captain_spalding said:

Anyone remember when, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bomb back in 1978, the L/NP govt got Australian Army troops to ‘patrol’ the railway line to Bowral and the streets of Bowral itself?

I doubt that there was anyone in the ADF at the time who didn’t consider this to be anything other than face-saving bullshit by the government, quite unnecessary, and none of the soldiers drafted into it really wanted to be there.

Armed forces walk Southern Highlands streets during the 1978 operation to ‘protect the leaders’.

I don’t remember that but it’s always good to learn about history

captain_spalding said:

Anyone remember when, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bomb back in 1978, the L/NP govt got Australian Army troops to ‘patrol’ the railway line to Bowral and the streets of Bowral itself?

I doubt that there was anyone in the ADF at the time who didn’t consider this to be anything other than face-saving bullshit by the government, quite unnecessary, and none of the soldiers drafted into it really wanted to be there.

Armed forces walk Southern Highlands streets during the 1978 operation to ‘protect the leaders’.

Why Bowral?

Kothos said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone remember when, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bomb back in 1978, the L/NP govt got Australian Army troops to ‘patrol’ the railway line to Bowral and the streets of Bowral itself?

I doubt that there was anyone in the ADF at the time who didn’t consider this to be anything other than face-saving bullshit by the government, quite unnecessary, and none of the soldiers drafted into it really wanted to be there.

Armed forces walk Southern Highlands streets during the 1978 operation to ‘protect the leaders’.

Why Bowral?

The Bradman museum.

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone remember when, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bomb back in 1978, the L/NP govt got Australian Army troops to ‘patrol’ the railway line to Bowral and the streets of Bowral itself?

I doubt that there was anyone in the ADF at the time who didn’t consider this to be anything other than face-saving bullshit by the government, quite unnecessary, and none of the soldiers drafted into it really wanted to be there.

Armed forces walk Southern Highlands streets during the 1978 operation to ‘protect the leaders’.

I don’t remember that but it’s always good to learn about history

i remember. at the time I was working as a securities clerk and was quite often walking past there.

Kothos said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone remember when, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bomb back in 1978, the L/NP govt got Australian Army troops to ‘patrol’ the railway line to Bowral and the streets of Bowral itself?

I doubt that there was anyone in the ADF at the time who didn’t consider this to be anything other than face-saving bullshit by the government, quite unnecessary, and none of the soldiers drafted into it really wanted to be there.

Armed forces walk Southern Highlands streets during the 1978 operation to ‘protect the leaders’.

Why Bowral?

There was a Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Sydney, including at the Hilton Hotel.

Part of the schedule was a ‘retreat’ for the Heads in the scenic town of Bowral. After the bomb went off (a whole other story, which would be comic farce if it hadn’t killed people), the gubmint had to be seen to do something about ‘security’.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Anyone remember when, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bomb back in 1978, the L/NP govt got Australian Army troops to ‘patrol’ the railway line to Bowral and the streets of Bowral itself?

I doubt that there was anyone in the ADF at the time who didn’t consider this to be anything other than face-saving bullshit by the government, quite unnecessary, and none of the soldiers drafted into it really wanted to be there.

Armed forces walk Southern Highlands streets during the 1978 operation to ‘protect the leaders’.

I don’t remember that but it’s always good to learn about history

i remember. at the time I was working as a securities clerk and was quite often walking past there.

Yes, i used to pass by their regularly also, and stop in at the bars for a ‘refresher’ from time to time.

The author Richard Beckett (also known as ‘Sam Orr’ to readers of the Nation Review) was drinking in the Marble Bar downstairs from the explosion site when it occurred. He and several other rushed upstairs to see what had happened. What he saw there showed him immediately that nothing could be done for the people caught in it (his description was quite graphic), and he needed more than one solid drink afterwards.

is it possible to protest too much

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-12/us-will-give-high-quality-nuclear-subs-to-australia-not-clunkers/102086150
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/12/no-clunkers-australia-buying-highest-quality-secondhand-submarines-from-us-congressman-says

SCIENCE said:

is it possible to protest too much

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-12/us-will-give-high-quality-nuclear-subs-to-australia-not-clunkers/102086150
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/12/no-clunkers-australia-buying-highest-quality-secondhand-submarines-from-us-congressman-says

Neh.

It sounds like a half decent plan to me. We can’t build them on our own, we need support from the US or the UK. But that is going to take years. In the meantime we need to start training crews. Seems like a good idea to buy some either brand new or second hand from the US, possibly a mix of both. Getting our own production up and going is a very long term project. The UK don’t have the capacity to build any more Astute class boats right now, so we have to go down the US Virginia class option.

yeah sure but if there weren’t an inconvenient restriction on having automatic then at least you wouldn’t have to hear the cocking each time

“There were some gunshots that went off out the front of my street,” he said. “At first, I thought it was just a couple of loud bangs and then I heard another gunshot go off and then the cocking of the weapons. “You could hear the gun cock every time he shot.”

SCIENCE said:

yeah sure but if there weren’t an inconvenient restriction on having automatic then at least you wouldn’t have to hear the cocking each time

“There were some gunshots that went off out the front of my street,” he said. “At first, I thought it was just a couple of loud bangs and then I heard another gunshot go off and then the cocking of the weapons. “You could hear the gun cock every time he shot.”

Sounds like he only has a A or B class licence.

Pro-coal Nationals senator Matt Canavan is calling on the federal government to hold the Hunter Valley’s Liddell Power Station in “care and maintenance”, rather than approving its demolition.

He wants to save it for a rainy day.

roughbarked said:

Pro-coal Nationals senator Matt Canavan is calling on the federal government to hold the Hunter Valley’s Liddell Power Station in “care and maintenance”, rather than approving its demolition.

He wants to save it for a rainy day.

Link

roughbarked said:

Pro-coal Nationals senator Matt Canavan is calling on the federal government to hold the Hunter Valley’s Liddell Power Station in “care and maintenance”, rather than approving its demolition.

He wants to save it for a rainy day.

It’s an idea that’s not without some merit.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Pro-coal Nationals senator Matt Canavan is calling on the federal government to hold the Hunter Valley’s Liddell Power Station in “care and maintenance”, rather than approving its demolition.

He wants to save it for a rainy day.

It’s an idea that’s not without some merit.

True but who will pay for it and will the cost be worth it if indeed the rainy day does come some distance down the track?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Pro-coal Nationals senator Matt Canavan is calling on the federal government to hold the Hunter Valley’s Liddell Power Station in “care and maintenance”, rather than approving its demolition.

He wants to save it for a rainy day.

It’s an idea that’s not without some merit.

True but who will pay for it and will the cost be worth it if indeed the rainy day does come some distance down the track?

There’s some effective and interesting ways of ‘mothballing’ equipment these days. One way is to ‘cocoon’ stuff inside airtight vinyl coverings. This has been done with entire warships, and its very effective, no maintenance, low cost.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

It’s an idea that’s not without some merit.

True but who will pay for it and will the cost be worth it if indeed the rainy day does come some distance down the track?

There’s some effective and interesting ways of ‘mothballing’ equipment these days. One way is to ‘cocoon’ stuff inside airtight vinyl coverings. This has been done with entire warships, and its very effective, no maintenance, low cost.

I see.

roughbarked said:

Pro-coal Nationals senator Matt Canavan is calling on the federal government to hold the Hunter Valley’s Liddell Power Station in “care and maintenance”, rather than approving its demolition.

He wants to save it for a rainy day.

I think he’s onto a good thing there. He’s sure to convince the Feds to spent $50-100M a year to keep a previously privatised asset in running order but unused.

Liddell was privatised by the NSW government because they couldn’t keep up with the costs of maintaining the plant in good running order, nor could they afford to demolish it. It was sold cheaply to the private sector (AGL) so those liabilities didn’t stick with the government.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Pro-coal Nationals senator Matt Canavan is calling on the federal government to hold the Hunter Valley’s Liddell Power Station in “care and maintenance”, rather than approving its demolition.

He wants to save it for a rainy day.

I think he’s onto a good thing there. He’s sure to convince the Feds to spent $50-100M a year to keep a previously privatised asset in running order but unused.

Liddell was privatised by the NSW government because they couldn’t keep up with the costs of maintaining the plant in good running order, nor could they afford to demolish it. It was sold cheaply to the private sector (AGL) so those liabilities didn’t stick with the government.

Also from the article:

The NSW coalition government is not supportive of its federal counterpart’s care and maintenance plan.

Nationals member for the state seat of Upper Hunter Dave Layzell said it was unrealistic to return Liddell to service in the future.

“I’d imagine it’d be an enormous expense particularly with an old facility like that, the costs would be through the roof and very prohibitive,” the local MP said.

captain_spalding said:

There’s some effective and interesting ways of ‘mothballing’ equipment these days. One way is to ‘cocoon’ stuff inside airtight vinyl coverings. This has been done with entire warships, and its very effective, no maintenance, low cost.

I imagine it’d have to be in drydock for that?

Kothos said:

captain_spalding said:

There’s some effective and interesting ways of ‘mothballing’ equipment these days. One way is to ‘cocoon’ stuff inside airtight vinyl coverings. This has been done with entire warships, and its very effective, no maintenance, low cost.

I imagine it’d have to be in drydock for that?

And the boilers would need to be thoroughly dried out & nitrogen filled.

Kothos said:

captain_spalding said:

There’s some effective and interesting ways of ‘mothballing’ equipment these days. One way is to ‘cocoon’ stuff inside airtight vinyl coverings. This has been done with entire warships, and its very effective, no maintenance, low cost.

I imagine it’d have to be in drydock for that?

No.

The Americans built about 50 of the Oliver H. Perry class guided missile frigates in the late 1970s and the 1980s (Australia had 6 such ships).

When some of those brand-new frigates had finished their trials, been accepted for service, and commissioned, they were almost immediately decommissioned and taken to ‘reserve anchorages’ in various sounds and inlets on the US east and west coasts.

Those ships were then ‘cocooned’ over the entire upper deck and inlets/outlets, effectively sealing off the ship from the outside enivironment. They thus formed a ready ‘strategic reserve’ of ships. which could be made available at very short notice. Periodic inspection of ships found that the preservation was working in a very efficient way indeed.

Few newly-built warships now use steam boilers and steam turbines. These days its all gas turbines, or diesel engines, or a combination of those engines. Just as jet engines can be sealed off and resurrected with a minimal amount of work, so can modern warship engines.

captain_spalding said:

Kothos said:

captain_spalding said:

There’s some effective and interesting ways of ‘mothballing’ equipment these days. One way is to ‘cocoon’ stuff inside airtight vinyl coverings. This has been done with entire warships, and its very effective, no maintenance, low cost.

I imagine it’d have to be in drydock for that?

No.

The Americans built about 50 of the Oliver H. Perry class guided missile frigates in the late 1970s and the 1980s (Australia had 6 such ships).

When some of those brand-new frigates had finished their trials, been accepted for service, and commissioned, they were almost immediately decommissioned and taken to ‘reserve anchorages’ in various sounds and inlets on the US east and west coasts.

Those ships were then ‘cocooned’ over the entire upper deck and inlets/outlets, effectively sealing off the ship from the outside enivironment. They thus formed a ready ‘strategic reserve’ of ships. which could be made available at very short notice. Periodic inspection of ships found that the preservation was working in a very efficient way indeed.

Few newly-built warships now use steam boilers and steam turbines. These days its all gas turbines, or diesel engines, or a combination of those engines. Just as jet engines can be sealed off and resurrected with a minimal amount of work, so can modern warship engines.

It’s interesting to look at these ships on Google Earth etc at anchor in IIRC Chesapeake Bay Virginia and San Francisco Bay California.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Kothos said:

I imagine it’d have to be in drydock for that?

No.

The Americans built about 50 of the Oliver H. Perry class guided missile frigates in the late 1970s and the 1980s (Australia had 6 such ships).

When some of those brand-new frigates had finished their trials, been accepted for service, and commissioned, they were almost immediately decommissioned and taken to ‘reserve anchorages’ in various sounds and inlets on the US east and west coasts.

Those ships were then ‘cocooned’ over the entire upper deck and inlets/outlets, effectively sealing off the ship from the outside enivironment. They thus formed a ready ‘strategic reserve’ of ships. which could be made available at very short notice. Periodic inspection of ships found that the preservation was working in a very efficient way indeed.

Few newly-built warships now use steam boilers and steam turbines. These days its all gas turbines, or diesel engines, or a combination of those engines. Just as jet engines can be sealed off and resurrected with a minimal amount of work, so can modern warship engines.

It’s interesting to look at these ships on Google Earth etc at anchor in IIRC Chesapeake Bay Virginia and San Francisco Bay California.

I think that they used to also park some in the sounds and inlets of Washington state and Oregon, because those places were so very well sheltered, and the colder water meant slower progress of marine growth on hulls.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

No.

The Americans built about 50 of the Oliver H. Perry class guided missile frigates in the late 1970s and the 1980s (Australia had 6 such ships).

When some of those brand-new frigates had finished their trials, been accepted for service, and commissioned, they were almost immediately decommissioned and taken to ‘reserve anchorages’ in various sounds and inlets on the US east and west coasts.

Those ships were then ‘cocooned’ over the entire upper deck and inlets/outlets, effectively sealing off the ship from the outside enivironment. They thus formed a ready ‘strategic reserve’ of ships. which could be made available at very short notice. Periodic inspection of ships found that the preservation was working in a very efficient way indeed.

Few newly-built warships now use steam boilers and steam turbines. These days its all gas turbines, or diesel engines, or a combination of those engines. Just as jet engines can be sealed off and resurrected with a minimal amount of work, so can modern warship engines.

It’s interesting to look at these ships on Google Earth etc at anchor in IIRC Chesapeake Bay Virginia and San Francisco Bay California.

I think that they used to also park some in the sounds and inlets of Washington state and Oregon, because those places were so very well sheltered, and the colder water meant slower progress of marine growth on hulls.

“British reserve fleet 1950:Lhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWZr9Fl10o

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s interesting to look at these ships on Google Earth etc at anchor in IIRC Chesapeake Bay Virginia and San Francisco Bay California.

I think that they used to also park some in the sounds and inlets of Washington state and Oregon, because those places were so very well sheltered, and the colder water meant slower progress of marine growth on hulls.

“British reserve fleet 1950:Lhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWZr9Fl10o

It is an idea that’s been around since the late 1940s and the 1950s, but the methods have been improved over the decades. Trial and error, like everything else.

In that video, i can so far identify the carrier (which is in a floating dry dock) as HMS Implacable

which was in action right through WW2, in both the Atlantic and the Pacific. Sold for scrap 1955.

and destroy HMS Matchless (G52)

an ‘M’ class destroyer of 1942. Placed in reserve 1946 until 1957, then sold to the Turkish Navy and renamed TCG Kılıç Ali Paşa. Struck off by the Turkish Navy in 1971, and sold for scrap. Her fate is not known to me, and i think it just may still exist as a training ship in Pakistan.

HMS Matchless is alongside a Dido-class cruiser, but i can’t tell which one , although if she’s there to undergo preservation for reserve, it may well be HMS Diadem

which went into reserve 1950-1956, before being sold to Pakistan to serve as PNS Babur. Her fate is unknown to me, and it’s just possible that she still exists in Pakistan as a training ship.

Interesting to note that many of these ships still fly a jack and an ensign even though they show signs of preservation work being done, so it seems that they were still in commission while the work was being done.

Gee, i made a hash of that. HMS Matchless was a ‘destroyer’, not a ‘destroy’, and she does not possibly still exist in Pakistan. That was HMS Diadem.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-13/nt-country-liberal-party-president-quits-lawson-broad/102087506

well damn if that’s what it takes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-13/gambling-whistleblower-troy-stolz-secret-video-on-clubsnsw/102078754

lucky SARACAIDS-CoV is shortening many lives, they might blow their whistles harder

guess whenever someone gets famous, even

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-14/oscar-winner-michelle-yeoh-melbourne-pageant-moomba/102091850

an ASIAN, someone with an ETHNIC name like it has roots in CHINA, then

this Australia place still has to have a piece of it

SCIENCE said:

guess whenever someone gets famous, even

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-14/oscar-winner-michelle-yeoh-melbourne-pageant-moomba/102091850

an ASIAN, someone with an ETHNIC name like it has roots in CHINA, then

this Australia place still has to have a piece of it

Inferiority complex

ABC News
17 m ·
There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.
Retailers say crime is hitting them hard as they also try to control increased running costs.

sarahs mum said:

ABC News
17 m ·
There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.
Retailers say crime is hitting them hard as they also try to control increased running costs.

Shakes fist at inflation or interest rate rises

sarahs mum said:

ABC News
17 m ·
There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.
Retailers say crime is hitting them hard as they also try to control increased running costs.

What looked like parents and a small child stole all the watermelons my friend the farmer had. They also picked some of his oranges.

Peter Dutton says Coalition would support NDIS cuts to pay for Aukus submarines

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/13/peter-dutton-says-coalition-would-support-ndis-cuts-to-pay-for-aukus-submarines

——

nnnnnn. grrrr.

sarahs mum said:

Peter Dutton says Coalition would support NDIS cuts to pay for Aukus submarines

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/13/peter-dutton-says-coalition-would-support-ndis-cuts-to-pay-for-aukus-submarines

——

nnnnnn. grrrr.

He’s very good at keeping his disapproval rating high, so I’m not complaining.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/nsw-state-election-year-7-maths-question-stumps-everyone/news-story/f32f5464c653247edfc578c5d3aa17cb

4 times 4.15 stumps “everyone”

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/nsw-state-election-year-7-maths-question-stumps-everyone/news-story/f32f5464c653247edfc578c5d3aa17cb

4 times 4.15 stumps “everyone”

Yourself included ?

Cymek said:

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/nsw-state-election-year-7-maths-question-stumps-everyone/news-story/f32f5464c653247edfc578c5d3aa17cb

4 times 4.15 stumps “everyone”

Yourself included ?

no

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/nsw-state-election-year-7-maths-question-stumps-everyone/news-story/f32f5464c653247edfc578c5d3aa17cb

4 times 4.15 stumps “everyone”

The headline is almost as bad as the lack of basic arithmetic skills of one of the contestants.

We think we’ve caught News Corp breaking the law.
Sky News host Rowan Dean has been giving bad financial advice without a licence – behaviour that could cost Australians their life savings. And it’s all in a bid to undermine climate action.

Time and time again the Murdoch Monopoly has escaped scrutiny from toothless media regulators. But this time there’s a regulator that’s pledged to crack down on media figures like Dean who spread dodgy, unlicensed financial advice.

Watch the video of News Corp spruiking dodgy financial advice & share it on social media to spread the message now.

By our analysis, News Corp has racked up eight potential breaches of two corporate laws:

By distributing misleading and deceptive investment information
By giving financial advice without a licence

These are important laws that exist to protect people’s savings.

Just last year, the financial regulator ASIC announced a massive crackdown on people giving dodgy financial advice. And News Corp knows all about it – because they took the opportunity to blast the people doing it.

Dean’s Outsiders program is a hotbed of lies. Like Fox News in America, this program radicalises ordinary Australians with toxic right-wing identity politics to turn them against climate action, equality and freedom of choice. It characterises Australians who care about these issues as traitors who pose a danger to our society. When the real danger is News Corp.

Watch and share the video now to help AFMRC make the case to ASIC

News Corp steamrolls over weak media laws every day. But ASIC has strong powers, including to prosecute.

If we can make the case to ASIC to hold News Corp to account now, we can put the brakes on their misinformation and blatant attempts to undermine climate action.

We know that a Royal Commission and major media reform won’t be won overnight. But together we’re exposing the Murdochs for what they are, so that we can have a fair and free media once and for all.

https://murdochroyalcommission.org.au/has-news-corp-broken-the-law/?

Witty Rejoinder said:

We think we’ve caught News Corp breaking the law.
Sky News host Rowan Dean has been giving bad financial advice without a licence – behaviour that could cost Australians their life savings. And it’s all in a bid to undermine climate action.

Time and time again the Murdoch Monopoly has escaped scrutiny from toothless media regulators. But this time there’s a regulator that’s pledged to crack down on media figures like Dean who spread dodgy, unlicensed financial advice.

Watch the video of News Corp spruiking dodgy financial advice & share it on social media to spread the message now.

By our analysis, News Corp has racked up eight potential breaches of two corporate laws:

By distributing misleading and deceptive investment information
By giving financial advice without a licence

These are important laws that exist to protect people’s savings.

Just last year, the financial regulator ASIC announced a massive crackdown on people giving dodgy financial advice. And News Corp knows all about it – because they took the opportunity to blast the people doing it.

Dean’s Outsiders program is a hotbed of lies. Like Fox News in America, this program radicalises ordinary Australians with toxic right-wing identity politics to turn them against climate action, equality and freedom of choice. It characterises Australians who care about these issues as traitors who pose a danger to our society. When the real danger is News Corp.

Watch and share the video now to help AFMRC make the case to ASIC

News Corp steamrolls over weak media laws every day. But ASIC has strong powers, including to prosecute.

If we can make the case to ASIC to hold News Corp to account now, we can put the brakes on their misinformation and blatant attempts to undermine climate action.

We know that a Royal Commission and major media reform won’t be won overnight. But together we’re exposing the Murdochs for what they are, so that we can have a fair and free media once and for all.

https://murdochroyalcommission.org.au/has-news-corp-broken-the-law/?

How good would that be.
If we can silence Murdock and fellow travelers and leave the ABC/Guardian, Crikey and the Saturday Paper we’d have the power, immense power.
We’d have a fair and free media then comrades.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

We think we’ve caught News Corp breaking the law.
Sky News host Rowan Dean has been giving bad financial advice without a licence – behaviour that could cost Australians their life savings. And it’s all in a bid to undermine climate action.

Time and time again the Murdoch Monopoly has escaped scrutiny from toothless media regulators. But this time there’s a regulator that’s pledged to crack down on media figures like Dean who spread dodgy, unlicensed financial advice.

Watch the video of News Corp spruiking dodgy financial advice & share it on social media to spread the message now.

By our analysis, News Corp has racked up eight potential breaches of two corporate laws:

By distributing misleading and deceptive investment information
By giving financial advice without a licence

These are important laws that exist to protect people’s savings.

Just last year, the financial regulator ASIC announced a massive crackdown on people giving dodgy financial advice. And News Corp knows all about it – because they took the opportunity to blast the people doing it.

Dean’s Outsiders program is a hotbed of lies. Like Fox News in America, this program radicalises ordinary Australians with toxic right-wing identity politics to turn them against climate action, equality and freedom of choice. It characterises Australians who care about these issues as traitors who pose a danger to our society. When the real danger is News Corp.

Watch and share the video now to help AFMRC make the case to ASIC

News Corp steamrolls over weak media laws every day. But ASIC has strong powers, including to prosecute.

If we can make the case to ASIC to hold News Corp to account now, we can put the brakes on their misinformation and blatant attempts to undermine climate action.

We know that a Royal Commission and major media reform won’t be won overnight. But together we’re exposing the Murdochs for what they are, so that we can have a fair and free media once and for all.

https://murdochroyalcommission.org.au/has-news-corp-broken-the-law/?

How good would that be.
If we can silence Murdock and fellow travelers and leave the ABC/Guardian, Crikey and the Saturday Paper we’d have the power, immense power.
We’d have a fair and free media then comrades.

Yes. I’m sure SkyNews channel is nothing like Fox News.

Peak Warming Man said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

We think we’ve caught News Corp breaking the law.
Sky News host Rowan Dean has been giving bad financial advice without a licence – behaviour that could cost Australians their life savings. And it’s all in a bid to undermine climate action.

Time and time again the Murdoch Monopoly has escaped scrutiny from toothless media regulators. But this time there’s a regulator that’s pledged to crack down on media figures like Dean who spread dodgy, unlicensed financial advice.

Watch the video of News Corp spruiking dodgy financial advice & share it on social media to spread the message now.

By our analysis, News Corp has racked up eight potential breaches of two corporate laws:

By distributing misleading and deceptive investment information
By giving financial advice without a licence

These are important laws that exist to protect people’s savings.

Just last year, the financial regulator ASIC announced a massive crackdown on people giving dodgy financial advice. And News Corp knows all about it – because they took the opportunity to blast the people doing it.

Dean’s Outsiders program is a hotbed of lies. Like Fox News in America, this program radicalises ordinary Australians with toxic right-wing identity politics to turn them against climate action, equality and freedom of choice. It characterises Australians who care about these issues as traitors who pose a danger to our society. When the real danger is News Corp.

Watch and share the video now to help AFMRC make the case to ASIC

News Corp steamrolls over weak media laws every day. But ASIC has strong powers, including to prosecute.

If we can make the case to ASIC to hold News Corp to account now, we can put the brakes on their misinformation and blatant attempts to undermine climate action.

We know that a Royal Commission and major media reform won’t be won overnight. But together we’re exposing the Murdochs for what they are, so that we can have a fair and free media once and for all.

https://murdochroyalcommission.org.au/has-news-corp-broken-the-law/?

How good would that be.
If we can silence Murdock and fellow travelers and leave the ABC/Guardian, Crikey and the Saturday Paper we’d have the power, immense power.
We’d have a fair and free media then comrades.

trolls gotta troll i guess.

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC News
17 m ·
There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.
Retailers say crime is hitting them hard as they also try to control increased running costs.

Shakes fist at inflation or interest rate rises

I wonder how the self serve checkouts at the supermarkets are going.

buffy said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

ABC News
17 m ·
There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.
Retailers say crime is hitting them hard as they also try to control increased running costs.

Shakes fist at inflation or interest rate rises

I wonder how the self serve checkouts at the supermarkets are going.

Your approval of theft is worrying.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

Shakes fist at inflation or interest rate rises

I wonder how the self serve checkouts at the supermarkets are going.

Your approval of theft is worrying.

What?

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I wonder how the self serve checkouts at the supermarkets are going.

Your approval of theft is worrying.

What?

You heard me.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Your approval of theft is worrying.

What?

You heard me.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you sir.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Cymek said:

JudgeMental said:

trolls gotta troll i guess.

Shakes fist at inflation or interest rate rises

I wonder how the self serve checkouts at the supermarkets are going.

Your approval of theft is worrying.

What?

You heard me.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you sir.

maybe the trolls gotta trolling are implying that banks raising interest rates are effectively stealing value from those in debt, and giving that value to those with savings, and that the Forum as a whole approves of this process

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

What?

You heard me.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you sir.

You’ve often opined that you dislike self-service checkouts and seem to delight in some schadenfreude when speaking about their vulnerability to theft.

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You heard me.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you sir.

You’ve often opined that you dislike self-service checkouts and seem to delight in some schadenfreude when speaking about their vulnerability to theft.

sm’s post: There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.

According to the meeja:

People are stretching their budgets to buy food
Self serve checkouts are notorious for being places of deception and thievery because it’s so easy to do.

So, is more stuff being put through irregularly or not at all than before. It is a recognized place of loss for the supermarkets. Are they losing more in recent months? It was a simple question.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I have not the pleasure of understanding you sir.

You’ve often opined that you dislike self-service checkouts and seem to delight in some schadenfreude when speaking about their vulnerability to theft.

sm’s post: There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.

According to the meeja:

People are stretching their budgets to buy food
Self serve checkouts are notorious for being places of deception and thievery because it’s so easy to do.

So, is more stuff being put through irregularly or not at all than before. It is a recognized place of loss for the supermarkets. Are they losing more in recent months? It was a simple question.

Sure it was.

sorry we(0,0,1)’re not pessimists, nor are we(0,0,1) paranoid, we(0,0,1) just assume bad faith

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

buffy said:

I have not the pleasure of understanding you sir.

You’ve often opined that you dislike self-service checkouts and seem to delight in some schadenfreude when speaking about their vulnerability to theft.

sm’s post: There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.

According to the meeja:

People are stretching their budgets to buy food
Self serve checkouts are notorious for being places of deception and thievery because it’s so easy to do.

So, is more stuff being put through irregularly or not at all than before. It is a recognized place of loss for the supermarkets. Are they losing more in recent months? It was a simple question.

Large pieces of meat were mentioned. That would be labelled. It wouldn’t be like saying your almonds were onions. (I still refuse to self serve. I might not have all the ways to steal through a self serve nutted out.)

Also mentioned were the types of goods that could be sold on. I assume like laptops and air fryers.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You’ve often opined that you dislike self-service checkouts and seem to delight in some schadenfreude when speaking about their vulnerability to theft.

sm’s post: There’s been an increase in the rates of shoplifting with outlets from major department stores to family-owned stores reporting a spike in thefts.

According to the meeja:

People are stretching their budgets to buy food
Self serve checkouts are notorious for being places of deception and thievery because it’s so easy to do.

So, is more stuff being put through irregularly or not at all than before. It is a recognized place of loss for the supermarkets. Are they losing more in recent months? It was a simple question.

Large pieces of meat were mentioned. That would be labelled. It wouldn’t be like saying your almonds were onions. (I still refuse to self serve. I might not have all the ways to steal through a self serve nutted out.)

Also mentioned were the types of goods that could be sold on. I assume like laptops and air fryers.

they also said that gang type organised theft was up.

a private and confidential comment

storm in a f***ing tea cup

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-14/mark-mcgowan-caught-on-parliament-microphone-on-perth-mint-saga/102092922

In drawing up plans to more effectively tax large superannuation accounts, Treasurer Jim Chalmers might have stumbled upon an idea that, applied more broadly, could tax rich Australians like the rest of us, writes Peter Martin.

Capital gains

roughbarked said:

In drawing up plans to more effectively tax large superannuation accounts, Treasurer Jim Chalmers might have stumbled upon an idea that, applied more broadly, could tax rich Australians like the rest of us, writes Peter Martin.

Capital gains

This is unlikely to win Jimmy a lot of friends on either side of the House.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

In drawing up plans to more effectively tax large superannuation accounts, Treasurer Jim Chalmers might have stumbled upon an idea that, applied more broadly, could tax rich Australians like the rest of us, writes Peter Martin.

Capital gains

This is unlikely to win Jimmy a lot of friends on either side of the House.

Too bad apparently.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

In drawing up plans to more effectively tax large superannuation accounts, Treasurer Jim Chalmers might have stumbled upon an idea that, applied more broadly, could tax rich Australians like the rest of us, writes Peter Martin.

Capital gains

This is unlikely to win Jimmy a lot of friends on either side of the House.

Too bad apparently.

I’m not saying that i don’t like the idea. If we had more politicians like Jim, willing to risk their places on the political ladder for the good of the nation, we’d be much better off.

But, i doubt that he’ll be retaining a place on some Xmas card lists. Maybe a lot of Xmas card lists.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

This is unlikely to win Jimmy a lot of friends on either side of the House.

Too bad apparently.

I’m not saying that i don’t like the idea. If we had more politicians like Jim, willing to risk their places on the political ladder for the good of the nation, we’d be much better off.

But, i doubt that he’ll be retaining a place on some Xmas card lists. Maybe a lot of Xmas card lists.

Indubitably.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/confidential-documents-show-plan-for-sydney-water-to-partprivatise-new-plant/news-story/7b529b3b2df1553b368fb0827d4d6d42

Confidential documents show plan for Sydney Water to part-privatise new plant
It’s been revealed the operation of a major water plant in western Sydney has been contracted to a Chinese state-owned company.

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/confidential-documents-show-plan-for-sydney-water-to-partprivatise-new-plant/news-story/7b529b3b2df1553b368fb0827d4d6d42

Confidential documents show plan for Sydney Water to part-privatise new plant
It’s been revealed the operation of a major water plant in western Sydney has been contracted to a Chinese state-owned company.

Not if Labor gets in.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

This is unlikely to win Jimmy a lot of friends on either side of the House.

Too bad apparently.

I’m not saying that i don’t like the idea. If we had more politicians like Jim, willing to risk their places on the political ladder for the good of the nation, we’d be much better off.

But, i doubt that he’ll be retaining a place on some Xmas card lists. Maybe a lot of Xmas card lists.

Taxing capital gains at the full rate (possibly adjusted for inflation) should certainly be introduced.

Taxing capital gains before they have been realised I’m not so sure about.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/confidential-documents-show-plan-for-sydney-water-to-partprivatise-new-plant/news-story/7b529b3b2df1553b368fb0827d4d6d42

Confidential documents show plan for Sydney Water to part-privatise new plant
It’s been revealed the operation of a major water plant in western Sydney has been contracted to a Chinese state-owned company.

Not if Labor gets in.

LOL remember when CHAIRMAN DAN was masks deep in the One Belt One Road foreign Interference network of CHINA

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/confidential-documents-show-plan-for-sydney-water-to-partprivatise-new-plant/news-story/7b529b3b2df1553b368fb0827d4d6d42

Confidential documents show plan for Sydney Water to part-privatise new plant
It’s been revealed the operation of a major water plant in western Sydney has been contracted to a Chinese state-owned company.

Not if Labor gets in.

LOL remember when CHAIRMAN DAN was masks deep in the One Belt One Road foreign Interference network of CHINA

I’m not a Victorian.

apparently appropriate to use on submarines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyJh3qKjSMk

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

This is unlikely to win Jimmy a lot of friends on either side of the House.

Too bad apparently.

I’m not saying that i don’t like the idea. If we had more politicians like Jim, willing to risk their places on the political ladder for the good of the nation, we’d be much better off.

But, i doubt that he’ll be retaining a place on some Xmas card lists. Maybe a lot of Xmas card lists.

It’s a really good idea but the other thing I worry about is what you do in years when the value goes down significantly. Do you get your money back?

is it true that taking action on climate change is a strong antidote to climate anxiety though

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

roughbarked said:

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

Rushing to his head, haha, which one

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

Rushing to his head, haha, which one

Thank the Lord it isn’t potato head.

roughbarked said:

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

Albi might got for that? I mean Morrison or Abbott never would. Trumbull maybe.

Kothos said:

roughbarked said:

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

Albi might got for that? I mean Morrison or Abbott never would. Trumbull maybe.

In fairness though, Howard did not declare war.

dv said:

Kothos said:

roughbarked said:

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

Albi might got for that? I mean Morrison or Abbott never would. Trumbull maybe.

In fairness though, Howard did not declare war.

Can je t’adore us to wear without declaring it?

Kothos said:

dv said:

Kothos said:

Albi might got for that? I mean Morrison or Abbott never would. Trumbull maybe.

In fairness though, Howard did not declare war.

Can je t’adore us to wear without declaring it?

Bloody hell. That was supposed to be, “Can he take us to war without declaring it?”

Kothos said:

Kothos said:

dv said:

In fairness though, Howard did not declare war.

Can je t’adore us to wear without declaring it?

Bloody hell. That was supposed to be, “Can he take us to war without declaring it?”

Appparently there were instances of The USA directing our troops.

Kothos said:

Can je t’adore us to wear without declaring it?

Fair question, one not asked enough.

dv said:

Kothos said:

Can je t’adore us to wear without declaring it?

Fair question, one not asked enough.

:)

Kothos said:

Bloody hell. That was supposed to be, “Can he take us to war without declaring it?”

Yes, so Wilkie’s wording is poor.

dv said:

Kothos said:

roughbarked said:

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

Albi might got for that? I mean Morrison or Abbott never would. Trumbull maybe.

In fairness though, Howard did not declare war.

so it was a special military operation

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Should parliament be able to vote on whether to go to war?

Australian and British troops joined a US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, over suspected weapons of mass destruction (WMDs).

Around 2,000 Australian military personnel were deployed by the Howard government.

However, as the government mulled joining an invasion, former army and intelligence officer Andrew Wilkie resigned from Australia’s then-peak intelligence assessment agency — the Office of National Assessments — and went public with his concerns about the evidence that politicians were using.

Now, 20 years on — and from inside parliament — Mr Wilkie has called for greater power for the parliament to decide if the nation goes to war.

He said it would give Australia similar powers as those in convention or law in the United States, the United Kingdom, France and in Germany.

“We are the outlier: In Australia, the Prime Minister, on a whim, with rushing blood to his head, can just declare war,” Mr Wilkie said.

Rushing to his head, haha, which one

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Kothos said:

Albi might got for that? I mean Morrison or Abbott never would. Trumbull maybe.

In fairness though, Howard did not declare war.

so it was a special military operation

Yes that seems to be splitting hairs a bit.

CHINA Strike At Australian Politician With CHINA-Derived Name Using Biological Weapon

https://twitter.com/SenatorWong/status/1637567967356665856

the good news is that the virus damages the brain so

1. we have smarter politicans dictating leading the way forward
2. they are more irritable and less inhibited so
3. starting fights becomes more likely for example with other major economies in the region

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-21/patrick-willmott-found-guilty-of-105-million-ato-tax-fraud/102123700

Fifth member of Plutus Payroll’s $105 million tax fraud behind bars after guilty verdict

Five people who faced a marathon trial in the NSW Supreme Court over one of Australia’s largest tax frauds have all been found guilty of their respective roles.

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Tasmania is blue, not red.

not that much difference admittedly

LOL there’s a

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/canada-reckons-with-alleged-chinese-interference-australian-laws/102147570

reason for all this

anonymous intelligence sources made a series of claims alleging the Chinese government had meddled

wait up

Five years after then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull pushed through the anti-foreign interference legislation, there is acknowledgement that it hasn’t been as effective as hoped. Despite it clearly being aimed at China’s government, not a single person has registered in Australia as a foreign agent of China since the law was enacted. That’s despite the presence of well-established Beijing-backed influence groups such as the Australian Council for the Promotion of Peaceful Reunification of China. “The most active state and political party seeking to influence public affairs in Australia is China … but they don’t seem to appear on the register,” Mr Turnbull told a parliamentary inquiry last month.

that’s because if it’s convenient to have, it’s just “influence”, just good business practice, but if you don’t like it then you point fingers and scream “¡interference!” “¡interference!” from

SCIENCE said:

LOL there’s a

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/canada-reckons-with-alleged-chinese-interference-australian-laws/102147570

reason for all this

anonymous intelligence sources made a series of claims alleging the Chinese government had meddled

wait up

Five years after then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull pushed through the anti-foreign interference legislation, there is acknowledgement that it hasn’t been as effective as hoped. Despite it clearly being aimed at China’s government, not a single person has registered in Australia as a foreign agent of China since the law was enacted. That’s despite the presence of well-established Beijing-backed influence groups such as the Australian Council for the Promotion of Peaceful Reunification of China. “The most active state and political party seeking to influence public affairs in Australia is China … but they don’t seem to appear on the register,” Mr Turnbull told a parliamentary inquiry last month.

that’s because if it’s convenient to have, it’s just “influence”, just good business practice, but if you don’t like it then you point fingers and scream “¡interference!” “¡interference!” from

ah found the answer

With Mr Trudeau’s government now promising wide-ranging consultation about how any firmer measures might incite racism, Mr Burton believes a transparency scheme similar to Australia’s does not look likely anytime soon. “It seems there’s a lot of resistance to having such legislation,” he said. “I think this suggests people in Canada believe the Australian laws have been at least partially effective in meeting the challenge of … Chinese government influence operations. “And there’s a high degree of concern among elements who might be receiving benefits from the Chinese state to try to stave this off,” he said.

or maybe meeting the challenge of many foreign including CHINA government influence operations; and elements receiving benefits from foreign states including CHINA try to stave this off

SCIENCE said:

LOL there’s a

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/canada-reckons-with-alleged-chinese-interference-australian-laws/102147570

reason for all this

anonymous intelligence sources made a series of claims alleging the Chinese government had meddled

wait up

Five years after then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull pushed through the anti-foreign interference legislation, there is acknowledgement that it hasn’t been as effective as hoped. Despite it clearly being aimed at China’s government, not a single person has registered in Australia as a foreign agent of China since the law was enacted. That’s despite the presence of well-established Beijing-backed influence groups such as the Australian Council for the Promotion of Peaceful Reunification of China. “The most active state and political party seeking to influence public affairs in Australia is China … but they don’t seem to appear on the register,” Mr Turnbull told a parliamentary inquiry last month.

that’s because if it’s convenient to have, it’s just “influence”, just good business practice, but if you don’t like it then you point fingers and scream “¡interference!” “¡interference!” from

Why would anyone willingly register as a spy or foreign agitator?

Kothos said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL there’s a

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/canada-reckons-with-alleged-chinese-interference-australian-laws/102147570

reason for all this

anonymous intelligence sources made a series of claims alleging the Chinese government had meddled

wait up

Five years after then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull pushed through the anti-foreign interference legislation, there is acknowledgement that it hasn’t been as effective as hoped. Despite it clearly being aimed at China’s government, not a single person has registered in Australia as a foreign agent of China since the law was enacted. That’s despite the presence of well-established Beijing-backed influence groups such as the Australian Council for the Promotion of Peaceful Reunification of China. “The most active state and political party seeking to influence public affairs in Australia is China … but they don’t seem to appear on the register,” Mr Turnbull told a parliamentary inquiry last month.

that’s because if it’s convenient to have, it’s just “influence”, just good business practice, but if you don’t like it then you point fingers and scream “¡interference!” “¡interference!” from

Why would anyone willingly register as a spy or foreign agitator?

who knows, we’re not an international lawyer but the details should be around here

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2019C00133

disclaimer we haven’t read it and we’re not about to so we make no further claims

Kothos said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL there’s a

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-27/canada-reckons-with-alleged-chinese-interference-australian-laws/102147570

reason for all this

anonymous intelligence sources made a series of claims alleging the Chinese government had meddled

wait up

Five years after then-prime minister Malcolm Turnbull pushed through the anti-foreign interference legislation, there is acknowledgement that it hasn’t been as effective as hoped. Despite it clearly being aimed at China’s government, not a single person has registered in Australia as a foreign agent of China since the law was enacted. That’s despite the presence of well-established Beijing-backed influence groups such as the Australian Council for the Promotion of Peaceful Reunification of China. “The most active state and political party seeking to influence public affairs in Australia is China … but they don’t seem to appear on the register,” Mr Turnbull told a parliamentary inquiry last month.

that’s because if it’s convenient to have, it’s just “influence”, just good business practice, but if you don’t like it then you point fingers and scream “¡interference!” “¡interference!” from

Why would anyone willingly register as a spy or foreign agitator?

‘Reserve your place up against the wall NOW!’

AussieDJ said:

looks a bit like the “CHINA Taiwan and West Taiwan according to foreign interferers” map

SCIENCE said:

AussieDJ said:

looks a bit like the “CHINA Taiwan and West Taiwan according to foreign interferers” map

Yeah I noticed that the other night

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

AussieDJ said:

looks a bit like the “CHINA Taiwan and West Taiwan according to foreign interferers” map

Yeah I noticed that the other night

Do you think NZ would buy Tasmania if we offered it to them?

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

looks a bit like the “CHINA Taiwan and West Taiwan according to foreign interferers” map

Yeah I noticed that the other night

Do you think NZ would buy Tasmania if we offered it to them?

Cooked chook would seal the deal I reckon

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

looks a bit like the “CHINA Taiwan and West Taiwan according to foreign interferers” map

Yeah I noticed that the other night

Do you think NZ would buy Tasmania if we offered it to them?

next thing you know nipaluna will be declaring independence and the neighbouring cousins from aotearoa speaking a similar but different version of the colonial language group will be staging some special military operation to liberate the Liberal lands

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Yeah I noticed that the other night

Do you think NZ would buy Tasmania if we offered it to them?

Cooked chook would seal the deal I reckon

Teach a man to cook a chook and you will feed him for a day. Teach a man to lay an egg and you will feed him for a lifetime.

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Do you think NZ would buy Tasmania if we offered it to them?

Cooked chook would seal the deal I reckon

Teach a man to cook a chook and you will feed him for a day. Teach a man to lay an egg and you will feed him for a lifetime.

I’d like to learn that. I tend to lay inedible cables.

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

Cooked chook would seal the deal I reckon

Teach a man to cook a chook and you will feed him for a day. Teach a man to lay an egg and you will feed him for a lifetime.

I’d like to learn that. I tend to lay inedible cables.

don’t cook the man who lays the golden cables

AussieDJ said:

Sad times for politics in Australia
The Liberals would fix all this climate change nonsense and allow our glorious mining magnates to use our resources they way they should

The-Spectator said:

AussieDJ said:

Sad times for politics in Australia
The Liberals would fix all this climate change nonsense and allow our glorious mining magnates to use our resources they way they should

i was just chatting with a friend about how the liberals cutting of red and green tape seems to have added years and ten of thousands of dollars on to having a new build approved.

AussieDJ said:

From – https://www.theshovel.com.au/2023/03/27/the-australian-releases-updated-political-map-of-nation/

Chris Bowen, re safeguard mechanism..

“The Liberal party has turned itself into a rhapsody of irrelevance.”

communists

The former secretary of the US Navy backed Paul Keating in saying China is not looking to land troops in Australia

SCIENCE said:

communists

The former secretary of the US Navy backed Paul Keating in saying China is not looking to land troops in Australia

Well, neither were the Japanese back in WW2. Too big a place, supply would be very difficult/impossible.

Better idea: isolate Australia. Take over New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, New Caledonia and Fiji (eventually). That’s what the Battle of the Coral Sea and fighting for Guadalcanal, New Britain, Kokoda Track was all about.

After that, it’s just a matter of time under Australia buckles under.

Ring any more recent bells?

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

communists

The former secretary of the US Navy backed Paul Keating in saying China is not looking to land troops in Australia

Well, neither were the Japanese back in WW2. Too big a place, supply would be very difficult/impossible.

Better idea: isolate Australia. Take over New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, New Caledonia and Fiji (eventually). That’s what the Battle of the Coral Sea and fighting for Guadalcanal, New Britain, Kokoda Track was all about.

After that, it’s just a matter of time under Australia buckles under.

Ring any more recent bells?

Why China’s man made islands are sinking

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

communists

The former secretary of the US Navy backed Paul Keating in saying China is not looking to land troops in Australia

Well, neither were the Japanese back in WW2. Too big a place, supply would be very difficult/impossible.

Better idea: isolate Australia. Take over New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, New Caledonia and Fiji (eventually). That’s what the Battle of the Coral Sea and fighting for Guadalcanal, New Britain, Kokoda Track was all about.

After that, it’s just a matter of time under Australia buckles under.

Ring any more recent bells?

Why China’s man made islands are sinking

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Well, neither were the Japanese back in WW2. Too big a place, supply would be very difficult/impossible.

Better idea: isolate Australia. Take over New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, New Caledonia and Fiji (eventually). That’s what the Battle of the Coral Sea and fighting for Guadalcanal, New Britain, Kokoda Track was all about.

After that, it’s just a matter of time under Australia buckles under.

Ring any more recent bells?

Why China’s man made islands are sinking

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

JudgeMental said:

Rather good :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

JudgeMental said:

Rather good :)

Did a Binge on the image and the most frequent matches were:

Peta Credlin
Kate Middleton

(Dons The Hat of Pedantry:)

ABC News:

‘The Living Laboratory is also looking at other ways residents can save water.

Last week, Ms Goddard received a text saying Barwon Water had identified a leak at her property using the digital metre.’

(My highlighting.)

A small thing, but we still expect better, don’t we?

(Doffs The Hat Of Pedantry.)

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Why China’s man made islands are sinking

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

by violent invasive theft or by legal economic exchange with the holders

There’s the separate matter of whether it’s legal to buy stolen goods but we’ren’t all lawyers¡

And i expect Forumites to put posts in appropriate threads.

I will, myself, do this henceforth.

captain_spalding said:

(Dons The Hat of Pedantry:)

ABC News:

‘The Living Laboratory is also looking at other ways residents can save water.

Last week, Ms Goddard received a text saying Barwon Water had identified a leak at her property using the digital metre.’

(My highlighting.)

A small thing, but we still expect better, don’t we?

(Doffs The Hat Of Pedantry.)

this error wouldn’t have happened if we spoke American or wrote it, we should join the empire

wait

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

(Dons The Hat of Pedantry:)

ABC News:

‘The Living Laboratory is also looking at other ways residents can save water.

Last week, Ms Goddard received a text saying Barwon Water had identified a leak at her property using the digital metre.’

(My highlighting.)

A small thing, but we still expect better, don’t we?

(Doffs The Hat Of Pedantry.)

this error wouldn’t have happened if we spoke American or wrote it, we should join the empire

wait

On the contrary, Americans who are even aware of a spelling other than ‘meter’ are the rarest creatures on Earth.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

(Dons The Hat of Pedantry:)

ABC News:

‘The Living Laboratory is also looking at other ways residents can save water.

Last week, Ms Goddard received a text saying Barwon Water had identified a leak at her property using the digital metre.’

(My highlighting.)

A small thing, but we still expect better, don’t we?

(Doffs The Hat Of Pedantry.)

this error wouldn’t have happened if we spoke American or wrote it, we should join the empire

wait

On the contrary, Americans who are even aware of a spelling other than ‘meter’ are the rarest creatures on Earth.

Apologies, SCIENCE, i read your post the wrong way. I see what you mean now.

JudgeMental said:

:)

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Why China’s man made islands are sinking

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

with the UK not far behind. But we don’t see that mentioned too often.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

with the UK not far behind. But we don’t see that mentioned too often.

so you mean per capita the imperialist bastards are

oh

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

with the UK not far behind. But we don’t see that mentioned too often.

China/UK, bloody Asians everywhere.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

by violent invasive theft or by legal economic exchange with the holders

There’s the separate matter of whether it’s legal to buy stolen goods but we’ren’t all lawyers¡

They make their own laws.

captain_spalding said:

And i expect Forumites to put posts in appropriate threads.

I will, myself, do this henceforth.

Will this be a welcome change?

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

this error wouldn’t have happened if we spoke American or wrote it, we should join the empire

wait

On the contrary, Americans who are even aware of a spelling other than ‘meter’ are the rarest creatures on Earth.

Apologies, SCIENCE, i read your post the wrong way. I see what you mean now.

That happns with all his posts.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

by violent invasive theft or by legal economic exchange with the holders

There’s the separate matter of whether it’s legal to buy stolen goods but we’ren’t all lawyers¡

They make their own laws.

who, ¿democracies?, we mean that’s how laws are made right

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

On the contrary, Americans who are even aware of a spelling other than ‘meter’ are the rarest creatures on Earth.

Apologies, SCIENCE, i read your post the wrong way. I see what you mean now.

That happns with all his posts.

The old man the boat.

The complex houses married and single soldiers and their families.

The horse raced past the barn fell.

Michael V said:

JudgeMental said:

:)

It does seem apt.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

anyway why would a cuntry prepared to economically dominate, throw it away by being violent

seems more likely that a cuntry about to lose economic power, would try to land farm one that is too fat to defend itself

wait

that must be CHINA looking to farm Australia, surly

China remains the largest foreign owner of Australian agricultural land, by area.

with the UK not far behind. But we don’t see that mentioned too often.

The theft was covered up with a few bags of strychnine.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

by violent invasive theft or by legal economic exchange with the holders

There’s the separate matter of whether it’s legal to buy stolen goods but we’ren’t all lawyers¡

They make their own laws.

who, ¿democracies?, we mean that’s how laws are made right

It is called branch stacking.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

They make their own laws.

who, ¿democracies?, we mean that’s how laws are made right

It is called branch stacking.

Bloody ethnics!

There are 6 NSW seats still in doubt.

4 have the Libs ahead, on for Labor and one Indie.

That’s kind of annoying because if it pans out that way it leaves Labor with 46 seats + 3 Greens.

I mean I like the idea of a minority government, but I don’t like the idea of the Libs ending up with 35 seats, or me living in one.

just another day in democracy

Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor, Shadow Defence Minister Andrew Hastie, Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Tehan, Shadow Climate Change and Energy Minister Ted O’Brien, former deputy Speaker Llew O’Brien, and backbenchers Zoe McKenzie and Sam Birrell all took to their feet after the dressing down to apologise on Wednesday morning.

The lower house had been voting on a government bill on income-management policies when the incident occurred, with some Coalition MPs barrelling their way towards one of the exits.

Mr Dick said he had ordered the doors to the House of Representatives to be locked, as is the procedure during a parliamentary vote, but some Opposition MPs tried to force their way through a door that a House attendant was trying to close.

“After the Speaker orders the doors to be locked, no Member may enter or leave the chamber until after the division, it does not matter whether the doors have been able to be fully closed,” the Speaker said.

“The most serious aspect of this incident is that members physically pushed their way past the attendant to get out of the chamber, resulting in them getting hit in the doorframe and hurting their arm.

SCIENCE said:

just another day in democracy

Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor, Shadow Defence Minister Andrew Hastie, Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Tehan, Shadow Climate Change and Energy Minister Ted O’Brien, former deputy Speaker Llew O’Brien, and backbenchers Zoe McKenzie and Sam Birrell all took to their feet after the dressing down to apologise on Wednesday morning.

The lower house had been voting on a government bill on income-management policies when the incident occurred, with some Coalition MPs barrelling their way towards one of the exits.

Mr Dick said he had ordered the doors to the House of Representatives to be locked, as is the procedure during a parliamentary vote, but some Opposition MPs tried to force their way through a door that a House attendant was trying to close.

“After the Speaker orders the doors to be locked, no Member may enter or leave the chamber until after the division, it does not matter whether the doors have been able to be fully closed,” the Speaker said.

“The most serious aspect of this incident is that members physically pushed their way past the attendant to get out of the chamber, resulting in them getting hit in the doorframe and hurting their arm.

Talk about a piss bolt in all but motivation

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

just another day in democracy

Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor, Shadow Defence Minister Andrew Hastie, Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Tehan, Shadow Climate Change and Energy Minister Ted O’Brien, former deputy Speaker Llew O’Brien, and backbenchers Zoe McKenzie and Sam Birrell all took to their feet after the dressing down to apologise on Wednesday morning.

The lower house had been voting on a government bill on income-management policies when the incident occurred, with some Coalition MPs barrelling their way towards one of the exits.

Mr Dick said he had ordered the doors to the House of Representatives to be locked, as is the procedure during a parliamentary vote, but some Opposition MPs tried to force their way through a door that a House attendant was trying to close.

“After the Speaker orders the doors to be locked, no Member may enter or leave the chamber until after the division, it does not matter whether the doors have been able to be fully closed,” the Speaker said.

“The most serious aspect of this incident is that members physically pushed their way past the attendant to get out of the chamber, resulting in them getting hit in the doorframe and hurting their arm.

Talk about a piss bolt in all but motivation

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

just another day in democracy

Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor, Shadow Defence Minister Andrew Hastie, Shadow Immigration Minister Dan Tehan, Shadow Climate Change and Energy Minister Ted O’Brien, former deputy Speaker Llew O’Brien, and backbenchers Zoe McKenzie and Sam Birrell all took to their feet after the dressing down to apologise on Wednesday morning.

The lower house had been voting on a government bill on income-management policies when the incident occurred, with some Coalition MPs barrelling their way towards one of the exits.

Mr Dick said he had ordered the doors to the House of Representatives to be locked, as is the procedure during a parliamentary vote, but some Opposition MPs tried to force their way through a door that a House attendant was trying to close.

“After the Speaker orders the doors to be locked, no Member may enter or leave the chamber until after the division, it does not matter whether the doors have been able to be fully closed,” the Speaker said.

“The most serious aspect of this incident is that members physically pushed their way past the attendant to get out of the chamber, resulting in them getting hit in the doorframe and hurting their arm.

Talk about a piss bolt in all but motivation

They should be sacked.

prohibition will never work

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/prime-logan-paul-ksi-drink-australian-schools-ban/102154550

this is gross and egregious government overreach

SCIENCE said:

prohibition will never work

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/prime-logan-paul-ksi-drink-australian-schools-ban/102154550

this is gross and egregious government overreach

Wonder how long before AI’s can create a not real person social media influencer using deep fakes with them in all sorts of situations to reinforce they are real.
Sell your brand with very little cost

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

Talk about a piss bolt in all but motivation

They should be sacked.

I’ve already espoused my outrage. And absolute appalledness, and have decreed they must all be brought before the fusillade squad.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

https://twitter.com/christianortner/status/1639360983192723474

prohibition will never work

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/prime-logan-paul-ksi-drink-australian-schools-ban/102154550

this is gross and egregious government overreach

Wonder how long before AI’s can create a not real person social media influencer using deep fakes with them in all sorts of situations to reinforce they are real.
Sell your brand with very little cost

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2012671/

Woodie said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

They should be sacked.

I’ve already espoused my outrage. And absolute appalledness, and have decreed they must all be brought before the fusillade squad.

Agree. That’ll teach them.

SCIENCE said:

prohibition will never work

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/prime-logan-paul-ksi-drink-australian-schools-ban/102154550

this is gross and egregious government overreach

Well it’s got about the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee, or about twice that of other energy drinks, so fair enough really.

I mean it’s already banned in Australia so banning it from schools seems redundant.

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

prohibition will never work

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/prime-logan-paul-ksi-drink-australian-schools-ban/102154550

this is gross and egregious government overreach

Wonder how long before AI’s can create a not real person social media influencer using deep fakes with them in all sorts of situations to reinforce they are real.
Sell your brand with very little cost

It’s already been done.