Date: 16/03/2023 10:01:13
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2007442
Subject: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

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High blood caffeine levels may reduce body weight and type 2 diabetes risk
by Conrad Duncan
15 March 2023

A high blood caffeine level may reduce the body weight a person carries and their risk of type 2 diabetes, according to research.

A new study, published in BMJ Medicine, has looked at the effect of higher blood caffeine levels on body weight and the long-term risks of type 2 diabetes and major cardiovascular diseases, such as coronary artery disease, stroke, heart failure, and irregular heart rhythm (atrial fibrillation).

Researchers used a statistical technique called Mendelian randomization, which uses genetic variants as a tool to investigate the causal relationship between a trait and an outcome.

The results of their analysis showed that higher genetically predicted blood caffeine levels were associated with lower body weight (BMI). Higher genetically predicted blood caffeine levels were also associated with a lower risk of type 2 diabetes.

The findings suggest that it may be worth exploring the potential for calorie-free caffeinated drinks to play a role in lowering the risk of obesity and type 2 diabetes.

Dr Dipender Gill, senior author for the study, from Imperial College London’s School of Public Health, said: “These findings offer important insight into the potential causal effect of caffeine on adiposity and diabetes risk. However, further clinical study is warranted before individuals should use these results to guide their dietary preferences.”

The study was a collaboration between researchers from Imperial College London, the University of Bristol, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, and Uppsala University in Sweden.

Previous research has indicated that drinking 3-5 cups of coffee a day is associated with a lower risk of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. An average cup of coffee contains around 70–150 mg of caffeine.

However, the researchers note that most of the published research to date has come from observational studies, which cannot reliably establish causal effects, because of the other potentially influential factors involved. It is also difficult to disentangle any specific effects of caffeine from other compounds included in caffeinated drinks and foods.

Using Mendelian randomization, the researchers looked at the role of two common genetic variants of the CYP1A2 and AHR genes in nearly 10,000 people of predominantly European ancestry, who were taking part in six long-term studies. The CYP1A2 and AHR genes are associated with the speed of caffeine metabolism in the body.

People who carry genetic variants associated with slower caffeine metabolism drink, on average, less coffee, yet have higher levels of caffeine in their blood than people who metabolise it quickly to reach or retain the levels required for its stimulant effects.

The researchers also studied the extent to which any effect of caffeine on type 2 diabetes risk might principally be driven by concurrent weight loss. The results showed that weight loss drove nearly half (43%) of the effect of caffeine on type 2 diabetes risk.

No strong associations emerged between genetically predicted blood caffeine levels and the risk of any of the studied cardiovascular disease outcomes.

The researchers acknowledge that there are limitations to the study, including the use of only two genetic variants, and the inclusion of only people of European ancestry.

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Mum has T2, which puts me at a very high risk, but caffeine makes me suicidal. So would I rather be fat and mentally well or low risk T2 and suicidal?

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Date: 16/03/2023 10:05:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2007444
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

Suicidal from caffeine, haven’t heard of that before.

I drink more tea than coffee. I like coffee but find it hard to manage more than a couple cups a day.

Apart from anything else it makes me visit the lavatory a lot more frequently than is the case with tea.

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Date: 16/03/2023 10:11:02
From: Kothos
ID: 2007445
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

This sounds like it’s the stimulant effect of caffeine keeping body weight lower, which in turn affects the risk of diabetes.

You could probably get a better effect from amphetamines, but then with worse side effects.

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Date: 16/03/2023 10:19:23
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2007451
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

I have PMDD, which is the bigger, badder, uglier sister to PMS. Every month before a period I get severely depressed and suicidal. About 12ish years ago I read a study (Not this one but similar) which suggested caffeine may trigger anxiety and depression in susceptible people. At that point, PMDD was debilitating. I was taking days off work because I just couldn’t deal with myself, let alone other people, and I was a danger to myself when driving (I had a nice tree picked out to crash my car into). At that point, if someone told me amputating my right leg would help, I would have done it.

So I gave up caffeine, just over 11 years ago. Symptoms gone. I have done the experiment a few times and had caffeine, either knowingly or not, and it always leads to PMDD symptoms again. A couple of months ago I ate a whole box of dark chocolate after dinner mints; it was the first time Mini Me had seen me with PMDD and it scared her. I’m super sensitive to caffeine now after not having it for so long.

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Date: 16/03/2023 10:22:05
From: Kothos
ID: 2007455
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

Divine Angel said:


So I gave up caffeine, just over 11 years ago. Symptoms gone. I have done the experiment a few times and had caffeine, either knowingly or not, and it always leads to PMDD symptoms again. A couple of months ago I ate a whole box of dark chocolate after dinner mints; it was the first time Mini Me had seen me with PMDD and it scared her. I’m super sensitive to caffeine now after not having it for so long.

What do the doctors have to say about that? Do they believe you?

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Date: 16/03/2023 10:23:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2007457
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

Divine Angel said:


I have PMDD, which is the bigger, badder, uglier sister to PMS. Every month before a period I get severely depressed and suicidal. About 12ish years ago I read a study (Not this one but similar) which suggested caffeine may trigger anxiety and depression in susceptible people. At that point, PMDD was debilitating. I was taking days off work because I just couldn’t deal with myself, let alone other people, and I was a danger to myself when driving (I had a nice tree picked out to crash my car into). At that point, if someone told me amputating my right leg would help, I would have done it.

So I gave up caffeine, just over 11 years ago. Symptoms gone. I have done the experiment a few times and had caffeine, either knowingly or not, and it always leads to PMDD symptoms again. A couple of months ago I ate a whole box of dark chocolate after dinner mints; it was the first time Mini Me had seen me with PMDD and it scared her. I’m super sensitive to caffeine now after not having it for so long.

Lordy, best steer well clear of it then.

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Date: 16/03/2023 10:28:55
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2007462
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

Kothos said:


Divine Angel said:

So I gave up caffeine, just over 11 years ago. Symptoms gone. I have done the experiment a few times and had caffeine, either knowingly or not, and it always leads to PMDD symptoms again. A couple of months ago I ate a whole box of dark chocolate after dinner mints; it was the first time Mini Me had seen me with PMDD and it scared her. I’m super sensitive to caffeine now after not having it for so long.

What do the doctors have to say about that? Do they believe you?

The diagnosing doctor suggested cutting out caffeine. After I did, I don’t recall talking to doctors about it. I honestly don’t care if anyone else believes me. I know it works for me.

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Date: 16/03/2023 11:03:05
From: Michael V
ID: 2007491
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

Divine Angel said:


Study here
Article here

High blood caffeine levels may reduce body weight and type 2 diabetes risk
by Conrad Duncan
15 March 2023

A high blood caffeine level may reduce the body weight a person carries and their risk of type 2 diabetes, according to research.

A new study, published in BMJ Medicine, has looked at the effect of higher blood caffeine levels on body weight and the long-term risks of type 2 diabetes and major cardiovascular diseases, such as coronary artery disease, stroke, heart failure, and irregular heart rhythm (atrial fibrillation).

Researchers used a statistical technique called Mendelian randomization, which uses genetic variants as a tool to investigate the causal relationship between a trait and an outcome.

The results of their analysis showed that higher genetically predicted blood caffeine levels were associated with lower body weight (BMI). Higher genetically predicted blood caffeine levels were also associated with a lower risk of type 2 diabetes.

The findings suggest that it may be worth exploring the potential for calorie-free caffeinated drinks to play a role in lowering the risk of obesity and type 2 diabetes.

Dr Dipender Gill, senior author for the study, from Imperial College London’s School of Public Health, said: “These findings offer important insight into the potential causal effect of caffeine on adiposity and diabetes risk. However, further clinical study is warranted before individuals should use these results to guide their dietary preferences.”

The study was a collaboration between researchers from Imperial College London, the University of Bristol, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, and Uppsala University in Sweden.

Previous research has indicated that drinking 3-5 cups of coffee a day is associated with a lower risk of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. An average cup of coffee contains around 70–150 mg of caffeine.

However, the researchers note that most of the published research to date has come from observational studies, which cannot reliably establish causal effects, because of the other potentially influential factors involved. It is also difficult to disentangle any specific effects of caffeine from other compounds included in caffeinated drinks and foods.

Using Mendelian randomization, the researchers looked at the role of two common genetic variants of the CYP1A2 and AHR genes in nearly 10,000 people of predominantly European ancestry, who were taking part in six long-term studies. The CYP1A2 and AHR genes are associated with the speed of caffeine metabolism in the body.

People who carry genetic variants associated with slower caffeine metabolism drink, on average, less coffee, yet have higher levels of caffeine in their blood than people who metabolise it quickly to reach or retain the levels required for its stimulant effects.

The researchers also studied the extent to which any effect of caffeine on type 2 diabetes risk might principally be driven by concurrent weight loss. The results showed that weight loss drove nearly half (43%) of the effect of caffeine on type 2 diabetes risk.

No strong associations emerged between genetically predicted blood caffeine levels and the risk of any of the studied cardiovascular disease outcomes.

The researchers acknowledge that there are limitations to the study, including the use of only two genetic variants, and the inclusion of only people of European ancestry.

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Mum has T2, which puts me at a very high risk, but caffeine makes me suicidal. So would I rather be fat and mentally well or low risk T2 and suicidal?

Seems you would be wise to stay well away from caffeine, and find some other methods to reduce Type 2 diabetes risk.

IIRC, regular moderate exercise, eliminating simple sugars from the diet and not carrying excess body mass all help to reduce the risk.

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Date: 16/03/2023 11:05:11
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2007495
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

According to a few studies/articles I read, weight is the single biggest factor in reducing risk.

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Date: 16/03/2023 12:58:15
From: Kothos
ID: 2007585
Subject: re: High blood caffeine may help reduce risks of obesity and diabetes T2

Divine Angel said:


Kothos said:

Divine Angel said:

So I gave up caffeine, just over 11 years ago. Symptoms gone. I have done the experiment a few times and had caffeine, either knowingly or not, and it always leads to PMDD symptoms again. A couple of months ago I ate a whole box of dark chocolate after dinner mints; it was the first time Mini Me had seen me with PMDD and it scared her. I’m super sensitive to caffeine now after not having it for so long.

What do the doctors have to say about that? Do they believe you?

The diagnosing doctor suggested cutting out caffeine. After I did, I don’t recall talking to doctors about it. I honestly don’t care if anyone else believes me. I know it works for me.

Fair enough. It just sounds like something worth investigating for the good of humanity – but like you say you already know it works for you.

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