Date: 16/03/2023 20:26:27
From: Jing Joh
ID: 2007838
Subject: space, the vinyl frontier

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-16/nasa-unveils-new-look-spacesuits-for-moon-missions/102106746

How large a hole in a spacesuit could be blocked by human flesh without threat to life?
If a pinprick hole occurred would a person be sucked through it?

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Date: 16/03/2023 20:29:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2007839
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

Jing Joh said:

If a pinprick hole occurred would a person be sucked through it?

no.

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Date: 16/03/2023 20:51:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2007846
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

JudgeMental said:


Jing Joh said:

If a pinprick hole occurred would a person be sucked through it?

no.

They use lea leaves to locate holes.

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Date: 16/03/2023 22:37:29
From: dv
ID: 2007875
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

Jing Joh said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-16/nasa-unveils-new-look-spacesuits-for-moon-missions/102106746

How large a hole in a spacesuit could be blocked by human flesh without threat to life?
If a pinprick hole occurred would a person be sucked through it?

Suction isn’t a real force.

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Date: 16/03/2023 23:52:05
From: Kothos
ID: 2007901
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

The danger of losing all the air far outweighs any danger of falling out of the suit.

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Date: 17/03/2023 08:35:04
From: dv
ID: 2007989
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

Spacesuits are usually kept at low total pressure. Typical would be 30000 Pa, density of 0.39 kg/m^3 with oxygen making up around 70% of the mix.

We can assume the air will leak around the normal molecular room temperature speed of ~500m/s.

Pinprick hole is maybe 10^-10 m^2 in area.

So you’d be losing around 2 × 10^-8 kg per second, of which 1.4 × 10^-8 kg per second.

So it would lose 20 micrograms of gas per second. About 72 milligrams per hour.

Given the rate at which astronauts use oxygen, I don’t think this hole would significantly change operations.

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Date: 18/03/2023 09:30:47
From: Jing Joh
ID: 2008482
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

The point I was leading up to is ….
1. if a small breach occurred in a glove and the suit automatically sealed it off at the wrist, would the astronaut lose his hand?
2. could a spacecraft be saved like the proverbial dike?

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Date: 18/03/2023 09:44:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2008489
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

Jing Joh said:


The point I was leading up to is ….
1. if a small breach occurred in a glove and the suit automatically sealed it off at the wrist, would the astronaut lose his hand?
2. could a spacecraft be saved like the proverbial dike?

1. As long as all the other life support functions to the glove still worked then your hand, not needing air around it to survive, would be OK. I guess.

2. Yes. There is only 14.7 psi pressure, in say the ISS, so depending on the hole size anything that won’t puncture at that pressure would suffice. So a finger would do at a pinch though you might suffer frostbite.

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Date: 19/03/2023 06:50:56
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2009107
Subject: re: space, the vinyl frontier

Jing Joh said:


The point I was leading up to is ….
1. if a small breach occurred in a glove and the suit automatically sealed it off at the wrist, would the astronaut lose his hand?
2. could a spacecraft be saved like the proverbial dike?

I have a personal hatred of spacesuit designs. I think they should be moire like scuba drysuits. Made with elastic fabric.

Anyhow, there are three major types of spacesuit in use by NASA and ESA. (Not counting new ones under development).

One is the Russian Sokol Suit. This is worn inside spacecraft and is intended to protect the user if there is an unexpected spacecraft depressurisation. It is soft, and relatively form-fitting.

A second is the NASA EMU Suit. This is specifically intended for extra-vehicular activities. This comes with a backpack containing all the paraphernalia needed for long duration out of vehicle use. Its outside is very puncture and abrasion resistant. It is tailored to fit and requires a lot of measurement, particularly of the gloves. You can take your arm out of the sleeve of an EMU suit to scratch your nose and adjust internal controls. Not in a Sokal suit.

A third is a Russian Orlan suit for extra-vehicular activities. It is not as tailored to fit as the EMU and is more rigid. Orlan and EMU suits have quite different strategies to how the head of the suit is made.

Sokol Suit.

NASA EMU Suit

Russian Orlan Suit

On the issue of flesh plugging a hole, I think not possible with the current generation of space suits. There would be a gap between the body and the suit and the small volume of air within the suit differs radically from the much larger volume of air in a spacecraft.

On top of that, any leak is likely to be at a seal, and replacing that seal while in space would require some sort of glue patch

A human being can survive in space unprotected for a short time. For a minute or so. Perhaps long enough to get help.

PS. Have you heard about the astronaut who nearly drowned in his space suit when his water cooling system sprang a leak inside the suit.

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