This word seems to keep changing its meaning.

What is Woke Now?

Because it seems to on its third or forth new meaning.

And is the Australian definition different to the US definition?

As I pointed out in the other thread, it’s mainly used as a term criticising aspects of left-wing identity politics that are perceived by the user of the term as excessive and ridiculous.

It’s true that it’s mostly used in that way by the political right (and a small number of left-critical lefties and non-aligned people like me).

Most left-wingers themselves don’t use the term “woke” at all these days (and I doubt that many non-US left-wingers ever used the term).

Tau.Neutrino said:

This word seems to keep changing its meaning.

What is Woke Now?

Because it seems to on its third or forth new meaning.

And is the Australian definition different to the US definition?

You realise that we are currently discussing how little need there is for this term in a so-named thread.

Ian said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

This word seems to keep changing its meaning.

What is Woke Now?

Because it seems to on its third or forth new meaning.

And is the Australian definition different to the US definition?

You realise that we are currently discussing how little need there is for this term in a so-named thread.

I find it interesting that this word appears to keep changing its meaning.

because woke used to mean to awake up.

then

Originally intended to mean “alert to civil rights issues” or “takes an enlightened approach to civil rights”, its meaning has changed. It is now associated with adopting an obsessive, blinkered or deliberately obtuse approach to certain civil rights, particularly in relation to equality. It refers to an approach which is overall and on balance harmful to society, ignores context and counterpoints, and is ignorant of the wider ramifications of the position taken.

Wait. that now an older version

Before 2014, the call to “stay woke” was, for many people, unheard of. The idea behind it was common within Black communities at that point — the notion that staying “woke” and alert to the deceptions of other people was a basic survival tactic. But in 2014, following the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, “stay woke” suddenly became the cautionary watchword of Black Lives Matter activists on the streets, used in a chilling and specific context: keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics.

Wait. I think thats now also an older version.

Why conservatives don’t want to say what ‘woke’ means https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5GHvodRFyU

Did it just change again?

Drew Barrymore attempts to gain ‘woke points’ by kneeling to the ‘presume victim’
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/outsiders/drew-barrymore-attempts-to-gain-woke-points-by-kneeling-to-the-presume-victim/video/d989e8f560fb4ffb5db87f88cf3825e4

This on the 19/3/23

Does that line up with Bubblecars definition or is the word on a new tangent again?

Tau.Neutrino said:

because woke used to mean to awake up.

then

Originally intended to mean “alert to civil rights issues” or “takes an enlightened approach to civil rights”, its meaning has changed. It is now associated with adopting an obsessive, blinkered or deliberately obtuse approach to certain civil rights, particularly in relation to equality. It refers to an approach which is overall and on balance harmful to society, ignores context and counterpoints, and is ignorant of the wider ramifications of the position taken.

Wait. that now an older version

Before 2014, the call to “stay woke” was, for many people, unheard of. The idea behind it was common within Black communities at that point — the notion that staying “woke” and alert to the deceptions of other people was a basic survival tactic. But in 2014, following the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, “stay woke” suddenly became the cautionary watchword of Black Lives Matter activists on the streets, used in a chilling and specific context: keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics.

Wait. I think thats now also an older version.

Why conservatives don’t want to say what ‘woke’ means https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5GHvodRFyU

Did it just change again?

Drew Barrymore attempts to gain ‘woke points’ by kneeling to the ‘presume victim’
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/outsiders/drew-barrymore-attempts-to-gain-woke-points-by-kneeling-to-the-presume-victim/video/d989e8f560fb4ffb5db87f88cf3825e4

This on the 19/3/23

Does that line up with Bubblecars definition or is the word on a new tangent again?

I look to the primary source, Lead Belly.

I’m a woke. At night I go a sleep.

Ian said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

because woke used to mean to awake up.

then

Originally intended to mean “alert to civil rights issues” or “takes an enlightened approach to civil rights”, its meaning has changed. It is now associated with adopting an obsessive, blinkered or deliberately obtuse approach to certain civil rights, particularly in relation to equality. It refers to an approach which is overall and on balance harmful to society, ignores context and counterpoints, and is ignorant of the wider ramifications of the position taken.

Wait. that now an older version

Before 2014, the call to “stay woke” was, for many people, unheard of. The idea behind it was common within Black communities at that point — the notion that staying “woke” and alert to the deceptions of other people was a basic survival tactic. But in 2014, following the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, “stay woke” suddenly became the cautionary watchword of Black Lives Matter activists on the streets, used in a chilling and specific context: keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics.

Wait. I think thats now also an older version.

Why conservatives don’t want to say what ‘woke’ means https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5GHvodRFyU

Did it just change again?

Drew Barrymore attempts to gain ‘woke points’ by kneeling to the ‘presume victim’
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/outsiders/drew-barrymore-attempts-to-gain-woke-points-by-kneeling-to-the-presume-victim/video/d989e8f560fb4ffb5db87f88cf3825e4

This on the 19/3/23

Does that line up with Bubblecars definition or is the word on a new tangent again?

I look to the primary source, Lead Belly.

Ok, You look to a 1940’s roots blues singer for Word Etymology?

Leadbelly – Where Did you Sleep Last Night.

Leadbelly – Where Did you Sleep Last Night

Ha! One of the comments, Leadbelly is such a genius that he covered Nirvanas song decade’s before it came out.

Well I’ll be.

Betcha dindin know that.

Black American folk singer-songwriter Huddie Ledbetter, a.k.a. Lead Belly, used the phrase “stay woke” as part of a spoken afterward to a 1938 recording of his song “Scottsboro Boys”, which tells the story of nine black teenagers and young men falsely accused of raping two white women in Alabama in 1931. In the recording, Lead Belly says he met with the defendant’s lawyer and the young men themselves, and “I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open.” Aja Romano writes at Vox that this usage reflects “Black Americans’ need to be aware of racially motivated threats and the potential dangers of white America”.

Ian said:

Black American folk singer-songwriter Huddie Ledbetter, a.k.a. Lead Belly, used the phrase “stay woke” as part of a spoken afterward to a 1938 recording of his song “Scottsboro Boys”, which tells the story of nine black teenagers and young men falsely accused of raping two white women in Alabama in 1931. In the recording, Lead Belly says he met with the defendant’s lawyer and the young men themselves, and “I advise everybody, be a little careful when they go along through there (Scottsboro) – best stay woke, keep their eyes open.” Aja Romano writes at Vox that this usage reflects “Black Americans’ need to be aware of racially motivated threats and the potential dangers of white America”.

You can have some woke points.

It means “alert to racial prejudice and discrimination” and I haven’t encountered a good faith or consistent use of the term to mean anything else.

Normally when a term’s meaning evolves you can nail down its new meaning by constrained observation. When Disney casts a black woman in a Star Wars show, or there’s a reference in a comic to a character having two mums, a thousand voices emerge online to decry this wokeness. Obviously they aren’t use the real meaning but when you ask them to clarify what the word means to them, they dissemble or dissolve. There’s no need to treat empty rhetoric seriously.

dv said:

It means “alert to racial prejudice and discrimination” and I haven’t encountered a good faith or consistent use of the term to mean anything else.

Normally when a term’s meaning evolves you can nail down its new meaning by constrained observation. When Disney casts a black woman in a Star Wars show, or there’s a reference in a comic to a character having two mums, a thousand voices emerge online to decry this wokeness. Obviously they aren’t use the real meaning but when you ask them to clarify what the word means to them, they dissemble or dissolve. There’s no need to treat empty rhetoric seriously.

It used to mean that, but is now mainly used by critics of the excesses of those who think they’re countering prejudice, discrimination or lack of inclusion of the minority groups that the left have decided are worthy.

How you’ve missed noticing that “woke” is mainly used in this disparaging or critical way is a mystery. Most left-wingers certainly don’t use the term to describe themselves.

dv said:

It means “alert to racial prejudice and discrimination” and I haven’t encountered a good faith or consistent use of the term to mean anything else.

Normally when a term’s meaning evolves you can nail down its new meaning by constrained observation. When Disney casts a black woman in a Star Wars show, or there’s a reference in a comic to a character having two mums, a thousand voices emerge online to decry this wokeness. Obviously they aren’t use the real meaning but when you ask them to clarify what the word means to them, they dissemble or dissolve. There’s no need to treat empty rhetoric seriously.

That’s how I’ve found it used, it can sometimes be poorly implemented buts that more a writing problem.
It’s also how things are in actual real life so being upset shows intolerance

A question

For the people on here who are gay or lesbian what do you think of how its portrayed in the media.
To me it works better when its not made a big deal and just plays out as normal life (which it is)

Cymek said:

A question

For the people on here who are gay or lesbian what do you think of how its portrayed in the media.
To me it works better when its not made a big deal and just plays out as normal life (which it is)

As an older homo man (and former gay activist in the 1980s-90s) I don’t really identify with today’s LGBTQRSTYZ rainbow grouping, and the lobby groups who claim to represent it.

But gays have achieved equality for the most part and the lobby groups have been taken over by unrelated concerns (increasingly heterosexual and gender-focused) .

Gays and lesbians are being represented generally in the media more as “ordinary people” these days which is probably a good thing.

To be “woke” means you’re now informed of things you did not know. You are not “in the dark” about other societies and cultures whose past has been edited and censored to make you think it wasn’t as bad as it actually was.To be “woke” means you’re now informed of things you did not know. You are not “in the dark” about other societies and cultures whose past has been edited and censored to make you think it wasn’t as bad as it actually was.

so basically based on the base argument dv has made in bass, a better term for “woke” would be “atpad” fine we’ll go with that

Ogmog said:

To be “woke” means you’re now informed of things you did not know. You are not “in the dark” about other societies and cultures whose past has been edited and censored to make you think it wasn’t as bad as it actually was.To be “woke” means you’re now informed of things you did not know. You are not “in the dark” about other societies and cultures whose past has been edited and censored to make you think it wasn’t as bad as it actually was.

the Anti-WOKE people are those
who’d rather NOT Be Held Accountable
for the injustices of the past (…and present)

like being responsible for continuing to deny people
of the means to raise themselves up out of poverty thru
education because they prefer the better quality of life for
their OWN kids while other kids remain in a servile position.

Here’s a MAJOR NO~NO:
PREY That The WOMEN NEVER BECOME “WOKE” …
fer Cry-Sake don’t ever let WOMEN realize that their Lot In Life
is to Give Over Their ENTIRE LIFE OVER to Having & Raising Kids
for 20 YRS while the MEN Tout Their VIRILITY By Handing Out CIGARS
DENY Women the RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BODY (Abortion) to be Set Free

Bible Gateway:
https://www.biblegateway.com › passage
Ephesians 5:22-24 WE -

22 Wives, obey your husbands as you obey the Lord.

23 The husband is the head of the wife,
just as Christ is the head of the church people. The church is his body and he saved it.

24 Wives should obey their husbands in everything, just as the church people obey Christ.

I never struck the word “woke” until recently.

It was originally used as a synonym for “skeptical”, and “able to discern the difference between facts and garbage”.

And an example was Al of the TV show “home improvement”. Al was “woke”.

I suspect its meaning has changed since then.

What is a woman ?

mollwollfumble said:

I never struck the word “woke” until recently.

It was originally used as a synonym for “skeptical”, and “able to discern the difference between facts and garbage”.

And an example was Al of the TV show “home improvement”. Al was “woke”.

I suspect its meaning has changed since then.

Ebonics

Ogmog said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never struck the word “woke” until recently.

It was originally used as a synonym for “skeptical”, and “able to discern the difference between facts and garbage”.

And an example was Al of the TV show “home improvement”. Al was “woke”.

I suspect its meaning has changed since then.

Ebonics

Woke

SCIENCE said:

so basically based on the base argument dv has made in bass, a better term for “woke” would be “atpad” fine we’ll go with that

or co[r]pad for “cognisant of …”

Woke is just the up to date way for selfish/bigoted people to insult people that they don’t agree with – see also “political correctness” or “bleeding hearts.” Especially effective for when they don’t have any actual basis for disagreeing with them, except that they are selfish, and can’t say that out loud due to pride / ignorance / cognitive dissonance.

https://allenvm3.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/11836927_10153464980125629_6062162762026020487_n.jpg?w=640

becklefreckle said:

Woke is just the up to date way for selfish/bigoted people to insult people that they don’t agree with – see also “political correctness” or “bleeding hearts.” Especially effective for when they don’t have any actual basis for disagreeing with them, except that they are selfish, and can’t say that out loud due to pride / ignorance / cognitive dissonance.

https://allenvm3.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/11836927_10153464980125629_6062162762026020487_n.jpg?w=640

Yes.

It’s so popular you hardly hear “politically correct” used at all these days.

Silly image… it’s a long time since I used html.

becklefreckle said:

Silly image… it’s a long time since I used html.

you can just use exclamation marks fore and aft of the URL.

The Rev Dodgson said:

becklefreckle said:

Woke is just the up to date way for selfish/bigoted people to insult people that they don’t agree with – see also “political correctness” or “bleeding hearts.” Especially effective for when they don’t have any actual basis for disagreeing with them, except that they are selfish, and can’t say that out loud due to pride / ignorance / cognitive dissonance.

https://allenvm3.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/11836927_10153464980125629_6062162762026020487_n.jpg?w=640

Yes.

It’s so popular you hardly hear “politically correct” used at all these days.

“politically correct” was a term invented by the soviet union (as was social justice – social justice was invented by the KGB to destroy the mind of the west and thus win the war)

“woke” is part of the active measures/ ideological subversion programme – it was an organic outgrowth of the social justice ideology

becklefreckle said:

Woke is just the up to date way for selfish/bigoted people to insult people that they don’t agree with – see also “political correctness” or “bleeding hearts.” Especially effective for when they don’t have any actual basis for disagreeing with them, except that they are selfish, and can’t say that out loud due to pride / ignorance / cognitive dissonance.

https://allenvm3.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/11836927_10153464980125629_6062162762026020487_n.jpg?w=640

probably related Right Thinking, or correct thinking, possibly also related psychological correctness

people commonly hold and express correct (safe) notions readily to save mental conflict, evident in, for example the safe way they string words together, what words they choose, and word formulations, mostly borrowed

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

mollwollfumble said:

I never struck the word “woke” until recently.

It was originally used as a synonym for “skeptical”, and “able to discern the difference between facts and garbage”.

And an example was Al of the TV show “home improvement”. Al was “woke”.

I suspect its meaning has changed since then.

Ebonics

Woke

WOKE: an American BLACK Sample of E-Bonic vernacular

See if you cab Grok This:

“Slaves were more than just kidnapped people working for FREE in the Fields
while being Lashed Bloody; They were also doing the majority of the cooking weaving,
building, entertaining and even wet nursing & child rearing in Antebellum rich folks homes;

…Adding to the misery, they also became BREEDING STOCK to increase their numbers
+ sold & traded away like any other “LIVE STOCK” even when the White Masters FATHERED
those Children!!!”

“OMG! I Never Knew That!!!” O-8=

“Yeah? Well Now You’re WOKE!” >:o /:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Ebonics

Woke

WOKE: an American BLACK Sample of E-Bonic vernacular

See if you cab Grok This:

“Slaves were more than just kidnapped people working for FREE in the Fields
while being Lashed Bloody; They were also doing the majority of the cooking weaving,
building, entertaining and even wet nursing & child rearing in Antebellum rich folks homes;

…Adding to the misery, they also became BREEDING STOCK to increase their numbers
+ sold & traded away like any other “LIVE STOCK” even when the White Masters FATHERED
those Children!!!”

“OMG! I Never Knew That!!!” O-8=

“Yeah? Well Now You’re WOKE!” >:o /:

I read the Mandingo by Kyle Onstott many years ago.

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Ebonics

Woke

WOKE: an American BLACK Sample of E-Bonic vernacular

See if you cab Grok This:

“Slaves were more than just kidnapped people working for FREE in the Fields
while being Lashed Bloody; They were also doing the majority of the cooking weaving,
building, entertaining and even wet nursing & child rearing in Antebellum rich folks homes;

…Adding to the misery, they also became BREEDING STOCK to increase their numbers
+ sold & traded away like any other “LIVE STOCK” even when the White Masters FATHERED
those Children!!!”

“OMG! I Never Knew That!!!” O-8=

“Yeah? Well Now You’re WOKE!” >:o /:

So, WHY has the IDEA reared it’s ugly head in THIS Day & Age?

Because it didn’t End with their SO CALLED Freedom:

While it was unlawful to Allow “THEM” to Read BOOKS
They were/are discouraged to Rise Above THEIR STATION even today
still held in virtual SLAVERY of bad Housing due to LOW PAYING Jobs
due to the SKY-ROCKETING COST & Availability of an Adaquit Education
…not to mention being Targetted by Police often without cause and beaten
and/or killed … certaiily IMPRISSONED for Minor infractions that “Whitey”
routinely gets to walk away from without so much as a slap on the wrist.

R U Getting it yet?
WHY Having Becoming “WOKE” has become HYPER Embarrassing?
So, WHY has the IDEA reared it’s ugly head in THIS Day & Age?

Because it didn’t End with their SO CALLED Freedom:

While it was unlawful to Allow “THEM” to Read BOOKS
They were/are discouraged to Rise Above THEIR STATION even today
still held in virtual SLAVERY of bad Housing due to LOW PAYING Jobs
due to the SKY-ROCKETING COST & Availability of an adequate Education
…not to mention being Targeted by Police often without cause and beaten
and/or killed … certainly Imprisoned for Minor infractions that “Whitey”
routinely gets to walk away from without so much as a slap on the wrist.

R U Getting it yet?
WHY Having Becoming “WOKE” has become HYPER Embarrassing?

…and WHY Being “WOKE” is being denigrated/discouraged in the press?

“KEEP MOVING!!! NUTHING TO SEE HERE!!!

State of the world’s indigenous peoples

oops…
pardon the stutttter:

The Murder of George Floyd

roughbarked said:

State of the world’s indigenous peoples

Why does it No Surprise me that You’re already ‘WOKE” ?

Gonna’ take me a while to read that… ;-)

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

State of the world’s indigenous peoples

Why does it No Surprise me that You’re already ‘WOKE” ?

Gonna’ take me a while to read that… ;-)

I am awake. Woke for me is a past tense.

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

State of the world’s indigenous peoples

Why does it No Surprise me that You’re already ‘WOKE” ?

Gonna’ take me a while to read that… ;-)

I am awake. Woke for me is a past tense.

POKES YOU in yer Good Eye.

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

Why does it No Surprise me that You’re already ‘WOKE” ?

Gonna’ take me a while to read that… ;-)

I am awake. Woke for me is a past tense.

POKES YOU in yer Good Eye.

Oi! I need both of them.