Let’s start the new thread with Laura Tingle.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/australia-budget-2023-economic-challenge-reset-budget-discussion/102169856
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/voice-to-parliament-no-campaign-launched-amid-tamworth-protest/102173596
Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/voice-to-parliament-no-campaign-launched-amid-tamworth-protest/102173596Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
Most of the attendees opted for invisibility, for privacy reasons.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/voice-to-parliament-no-campaign-launched-amid-tamworth-protest/102173596Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
Having just reminded myself of Mundine’s political history, I do wonder what his motivations are these days.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/voice-to-parliament-no-campaign-launched-amid-tamworth-protest/102173596
Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
Yes. Social distancing, you know, indoor density limits and all that.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
Most of the attendees opted for invisibility, for privacy reasons.
So you mean they could have just worn masks instead, damn¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
Having just reminded myself of Mundine’s political history, I do wonder what his motivations are these days.
Stare at the centre of the circle…
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buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/voice-to-parliament-no-campaign-launched-amid-tamworth-protest/102173596Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
Maybe they couldn’t get in because of the protesters.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/voice-to-parliament-no-campaign-launched-amid-tamworth-protest/102173596Warren Mundine’s No to the referendum campaign held a town hall meeting in Tamworth. It was free, but was “booked out” online. Um, yes?!
It may be that he’s afraid that his influence on matters, his importance and relevance to the scene, could be diminished if there’s a more influential body in the picture.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
SMH editorial: Mark Latham is not fit to remain in parliament
Many people are suggesting he’s “unwell”. Could be something in it.
In virtually every photo I’ve seen of Latham he has that dead-eyed “thousand-yard stare” typical of various trauma victims.
Can’t envisage him seeking psychiatric help though.
He’s getting to the final stages of his decline.
He’s been burning a fire inside him for a long time now, feeding it on feelings of having had a justly-deserved prize snatched from him just when it was almost in his grasp.
You can only carry on like that for so long, and then you either decide to put the fire out, or it hollows you out entirely, and what’s left can’t bear the burden.
Look we don’t know either of the fellas but it frequently seems to us that it’s all too easy to excuse or dismiss shitty behaviour as some kind of health or wellness issue.
SCIENCE said:
Look we don’t know either of the fellas but it frequently seems to us that it’s all too easy to excuse or dismiss shitty behaviour as some kind of health or wellness issue.
Well, he was a shit before he went totally nuts, but going totally nuts hasn’t helped with the shitty behaviour.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Look we don’t know either of the fellas but it frequently seems to us that it’s all too easy to excuse or dismiss shitty behaviour as some kind of health or wellness issue.
Well, he was a shit before he went totally nuts, but going totally nuts hasn’t helped with the shitty behaviour.
Looks like he’s been snorting too much coke.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Look we don’t know either of the fellas but it frequently seems to us that it’s all too easy to excuse or dismiss shitty behaviour as some kind of health or wellness issue.
Well, he was a shit before he went totally nuts, but going totally nuts hasn’t helped with the shitty behaviour.
Looks like he’s been snorting too much coke.
The Larry Fine hairstyle doesn’t aid with inspiring confidence in him, either
what is wrong with these voters? They obviously don’t know what is good for them…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/byelection-result-aston-melbourne-labor-win/102157990
buffy said:
what is wrong with these voters? They obviously don’t know what is good for them…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-01/byelection-result-aston-melbourne-labor-win/102157990
Bit of a turn-up for the books.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:Peter Dutton cannot win government without Victoria, and there are more challenges on the horizon
By political editor Andrew Probyn
Liberal Leader Peter Dutton is caught in the blustery winds of political change, and the party’s compass is still spinning, writes political editor Andrew Probyn.’‘Serves ‘em right.
They were quite happy to let ‘everyone’s daggy dad’ ScoMo run distraction ploys while they lined their pockets while in office, or pork-barreled left, right, and centre for their pals, but (like everything else he touches) Scomo did a half-arsed job of it and too many of them got caught or close enough to caught to destroy their credibility with even a lot of rusted-on L/NP voters.
So, when it comes to a choice of ‘who do you trust less?’, the L/NP comes out at the shitty end of the stick.
But, the Australian media, such as it is, will be working overtime to make the ALP look like the worse option well before the next election.
Dumping this in the current thread.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:Peter Dutton cannot win government without Victoria, and there are more challenges on the horizon
By political editor Andrew Probyn
Liberal Leader Peter Dutton is caught in the blustery winds of political change, and the party’s compass is still spinning, writes political editor Andrew Probyn.’‘Serves ‘em right.
They were quite happy to let ‘everyone’s daggy dad’ ScoMo run distraction ploys while they lined their pockets while in office, or pork-barreled left, right, and centre for their pals, but (like everything else he touches) Scomo did a half-arsed job of it and too many of them got caught or close enough to caught to destroy their credibility with even a lot of rusted-on L/NP voters.
So, when it comes to a choice of ‘who do you trust less?’, the L/NP comes out at the shitty end of the stick.
But, the Australian media, such as it is, will be working overtime to make the ALP look like the worse option well before the next election.
Dumping this in the current thread.
State of LNP
Living in the present, stuck in the past, unable to deal with the future.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:I think the big problem is that the party have positioned themselves as the party of the libertarian free-market right on the one hand, and the party of the culture wars. Both are imported ideologies that go against the grain of some aspects of Australian culture is a broad sense. They are never going to win the centre with this set of policies as the core values of one major faction of the party. Dutton represents that faction.
I agree, their ‘libertarian free-market right’ stance was all the rage a few years back, but it’s been given a fair run in a few places now, and people are at last beginning to see through it. The idea that the ‘free market’ can and will do everything better and cheaper is more widely seen as the lie that it is, and more and more people now recognise that government does have a role to play in providing services, and in regulating those which it doesn’t supply.
The Liberal party’s position is definitely yesterday’s news with the electorate
(I’ll move it to April)
I think the USA in particular is losing its lustre a little bit. We see everything they are doing and think that we are glad we’re not like them. We see the dark side of the USA a lot more since the advent of social media.
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Cymek said:
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dv said:
On early results looks like about a 7% swing to the ALP
Tasmania is blue, not red.
not that much difference admittedly
looks a bit like the “
CHINATaiwan and West Taiwan according to foreign interferers” map
Yeah I noticed that the other night
Do you think NZ would buy Tasmania if we offered it to them?
Cooked chook would seal the deal I reckon
next thing you know nipaluna will be declaring independence and the neighbouring cousins from aotearoa speaking a similar but different version of the colonial language group will be staging some special military operation to liberate the Liberal lands
Sad times for politics in Australia
The Liberals would fix all this climate change nonsense and allow our glorious mining magnates to use our resources they way they should
i was just chatting with a friend about how the liberals cutting of red and green tape seems to have added years and ten of thousands of dollars on to having a new build approved.
Fucking hell, communists everywhere¡
The South Australian government says it has struck a deal to scrap the privatisation of train and tram services. He said public transport was an “essential service” that “belongs in the public control”. “We can take the profits of our rail and tram service and reinvest them back into a public good,” he said.
Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has labelled his surprise trade trip to China “a very successful visit” and downplayed concerns about transparency during the four days of meetings. The opposition leader pointed to the West Australian Premier Mark McGowan’s upcoming trip to China, saying that leader had given advanced notice and was allowing media to attend.
Far out, my electorate finally got called and it’s for the Libs.
86% of votes counted and the Libs have 50.7% of them. I suppose there’s no chance by now of it swinging the other way.
Turnbull takes on Murdoch’s Australian media empire
Former prime minister is calling for rigorous inquiry into News Corp
MITCH RYAN, contributing writer
April 2, 2023 12:09 JST
MELBOURNE — Politicians of all stripes are desperate for Rupert Murdoch’s support when they are in power, but one former Australian leader is taking on the media baron in a bid to curb his vast empire of influence around the world.
Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has accused Murdoch’s media empire of undermining democracy, and says a rigorous inquiry into Murdoch’s News Corp is needed in the wake of a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News in the U.S.
The scathing criticism of the billionaire magnate follows the appointment of Turnbull as the head of a campaign that calls for a royal commission — Australia’s highest form of public inquiry — into Murdoch’s media dominance.
Murdoch’s hold over politics and the media is most extensive in Australia, where News Corp owns close to 60% of the country’s newspapers; pay TV company Foxtel and a conservative 24-hour channel, Sky News Australia, which has amassed more than 3 million subscribers on YouTube alone. Former U.S. President Barack Obama said the channel was fuelling the polarization of society at a sold-out address in Sydney on Tuesday.
“There is a public interest in asking the question: ‘What are the consequences of this type of media operation?’ because there is no doubt it is undermining our democracy,” Turnbull said in an interview with Nikkei Asia. “There is an ability to really examine how News Corp is operating as a propaganda vehicle.”
Pressure is mounting on Murdoch after the 91-year-old conceded that some of his Fox News commentators knowingly spread falsehoods about the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Dominion Voting Systems claims the TV channel amplified lies that their voting machines rigged the election against Donald Trump in favor of Joe Biden, who won the election. Debunked allegations of voter fraud, spread by Trump, helped spark a deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
Turnbull said Fox News “was the single largest platform on which that lie was spread. If you are spreading falsehoods about the legitimacy of the government, you are creating the environment on which this sort of thing can happen.”
“Jan. 6 was a catastrophe for the United States,” he added. “It was a near coup that weakened America’s standing all around the world, and was one of the most shocking events in American political history.”
Turnbull believes Rupert Murdoch’s bombshell deposition in the Dominion lawsuit case strengthens the case for a royal commission in his native Australia, which also has the power to subpoena documents and compel people to give evidence under oath.
“If Murdoch had nothing to hide, he would be saying, ‘Bring it on,’” Turnbull said. “But knows if they were subjected to this type of rigorous inquiry … they would find that very discomforting.”
Turnbull will take over the campaign from another former prime minister, Kevin Rudd, who stepped down after he became Australia’s next U.S. ambassador. Rudd has called Murdoch “an arrogant cancer” on Australian democracy and launched a petition calling for a royal commission into his empire in 2020, which attracted half a million signatures and triggered a parliamentary inquiry into media concentration in the country.
Turnbull will use his role as co-chair of the Australians for a Murdoch Royal Commission lobby group to urge advertisers to boycott the mogul’s media outlets.
Australia is among the most concentrated media markets in the world. In 2016, a landmark study on media ownership conducted by academics across 30 countries found that only China and Egypt had a more concentrated newspaper market than Australia.
But News Corp has dismissed concerns about media concentration in Australia, claiming the industry is a “picture of diversity, not monopoly.”
“Diversity is not just about ownership. It’s about the diversity of views and diversity of sources. And, importantly, the incredible diversity in the way people now access news and information,” News Corp Australia’s executive chairman Michael Miller argued before a parliamentary inquiry in 2021.
“Australians are smart people who make up their own minds about what media they consume, who they back politically, and what they feel.”
However, critics have blamed Murdoch for helping oust several Australian prime ministers whose agendas he disliked, including Turnbull, while his outlets have been accused of fuelling climate denialism and right-wing populism. So great is the media magnate’s influence on Australia’s political landscape that it has become a rite of passage for prime ministers to meet with him personally when they visit New York.
Despite often contributing to their downfall, Sally Young, a professor of political science at the University of Melbourne, said successive governments throughout Australia’s history have often helped facilitate the Murdoch family’s rise. “That’s part of the political quid pro quo,” Young said. “Favorable coverage, favorable policies.”
But there are signs that Murdoch’s vast influence over the Australian media and political landscape could be waning.
Last year, News Corp publications called for an end to the center-left Labor Party in Victoria and for the return of the Morrison Liberal government. However, the Victorian Labor Party was reelected for a third term, while Morrison was ousted in favor of Anthony Albanese. Last weekend, a Labor government was also elected in Australia’s most populous state, New South Wales.
In 2020, News Corp shut down 100 print publications in Australia, leading to about 1,000 job losses. Longtime observers of the company believe it will also faces challenges once Rupert Murdoch is no longer at the helm. “If the throne gets passed , I think there will be more mumblings of breakup of this News Corp empire,” said Morningstar senior analyst Brian Han. “There is a great section of the market who believe the sum of its parts are greater than the whole.”
News Corp Australia did not return requests for comment.
Turnbull, for his part, believes that while Murdoch’s “influence over the electorate overall is less than it once was … his influence over center-right and right-wing politics is much greater” both in Australia and the U.S.
The company, he said, has a “conscious desire” to pull center-right parties in a more conservative direction. “As a political party moves further to the right, it loses its centrist supporters and members, and therefore the influence of right-wing media becomes greater,” Turnbull said. “The problem is is very influential with the base.”
Turnbull, who has just launched a podcast examining whether Western democracies are in decline, said this could have a profound impact on future Australian elections which are a “two-horse race” between his center-right Liberals and the center-left Labor Party.
“ electoral system is designed to bring politics to the center,” said Turnbull, who is considered a moderate. “But when you have got a so-called news organization, that is more propaganda than news and is pushing an extreme line — it brings real danger.”
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Media-Entertainment/Turnbull-takes-on-Murdoch-s-Australian-media-empire?
SCIENCE said:
Is that you on the left SCIENCE
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Is that you on the left SCIENCE
Well we can kind of see some resemblance.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Turnbull takes on Murdoch’s Australian media empire
Former prime minister is calling for rigorous inquiry into News Corp
Bit late for him… could have done more when he was actual PM. but he kept trying – and failing – to appease Murdoch instead.
We’ve watched the media landscape in Oz become more concentrated for decades now. Every time Murdoch wants to buy a new mast, there are articles and voices decrying it, and the government of the day unanimously lets it happen.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
‘Coles supermarket chain moves into milk production buying two Saputo factories
ABC Rural / By Warwick Long
Supermarket chain Coles will become a milk processor for the first time, buying two milk factories from Canadian dairy giant Saputo for $105 million.’This is dangerous.
Coles and Woolworths sharea common goal: to exercise total control over food distribution in Australia.
This is not just one of my kooky conspiracy ideas. Back in the 1980s, i knew a bloke who was a top-level executive with Coles. He’d been with them since he left the Army after WW2. That goal became a declared long-range intention of Coles (although not publicly announced) in the 1980s, and he didn’t like at all the direction that the company was taking.
They, and Woolies tried flexing some muscle in that regard with ‘own brands’, cheap milk, and buying into petrol stations.
The only reason that Coles would move into food production, like milk factories, is for the purpose of destroying competition. Also to demonstrate to other food production groups that you do what Coles says, or they’ll cut the ground from under you. Once competition is eliminated, and Coles (and maybe Woolies) are all that’s left, we’ll get want they want to supply at the prices they want to charge from the sources they select.
They have been moving inexorably closer to that goal for years now.
so the solution is communism
another one too
Looks like ALP will end with 45 seats in NSW.
dv said:
I thinks she’s always been a bit overcooked.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I thinks she’s always been a bit overcooked.
I love how we get a new “Credlin, her face athunder” memes v time there’s an election.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I thinks she’s always been a bit overcooked.
I love how we get a new “Credlin, her face athunder” memes v time there’s an election.
Specially selected by Rupert.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I thinks she’s always been a bit overcooked.
I love how we get a new “Credlin, her face athunder” memes v time there’s an election.
When Tony Abbott lost his seat in Parliament, and it was clear that Peta Credlin would not be accompanying him on a return to Canberra, there was honest-to-god parties held to celebrate the fact that she wasn’t coming back.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:I thinks she’s always been a bit overcooked.
I love how we get a new “Credlin, her face athunder” memes v time there’s an election.
When Tony Abbott lost his seat in Parliament, and it was clear that Peta Credlin would not be accompanying him on a return to Canberra, there was honest-to-god parties held to celebrate the fact that she wasn’t coming back.
To be sure.
“I support a Voice to Parliament, but to have a voice, someone has to listen,” he said.
Not Foreign Interference At All
A few acquaintances of mine decided to give up their Chinese citizenship before last year’s federal election after living on permanent visas for more than a decade. Their purpose was simple — it meant they could vote. Many of them, especially those who run small businesses, were long-term supporters of the Liberal Party. They had strongly engaged with the idea that the Liberal party was more business-oriented than Labor.
as long as it’s for business, then it’s perfectly perfect
¡
SCIENCE said:
Not Foreign Interference At All
A few acquaintances of mine decided to give up their Chinese citizenship before last year’s federal election after living on permanent visas for more than a decade. Their purpose was simple — it meant they could vote. Many of them, especially those who run small businesses, were long-term supporters of the Liberal Party. They had strongly engaged with the idea that the Liberal party was more business-oriented than Labor.
as long as it’s for business, then it’s perfectly perfect
¡
The government needs to collect taxes in order to have revenue.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Not Foreign Interference At All
A few acquaintances of mine decided to give up their Chinese citizenship before last year’s federal election after living on permanent visas for more than a decade. Their purpose was simple — it meant they could vote. Many of them, especially those who run small businesses, were long-term supporters of the Liberal Party. They had strongly engaged with the idea that the Liberal party was more business-oriented than Labor.
as long as it’s for business, then it’s perfectly perfect
¡
The government needs to collect taxes in order to have revenue.
How about this genius idea¿
Never was this more overt than when three Chinese-Australian citizens were asked by Liberal senator Eric Abetz repeatedly to “unconditionally condemn the Chinese Communist Party dictatorship” during a Senate Committee hearing in 2020.
Many Chinese-Australians migrated here for democracy and freedom, but they are often lumped into binary stereotypes — either brainwashed supporters of the CCP or anti-Beijing activists.
What do you mean¿ Ours is a cuntry of Freedom®, and that includes Freedom Of Speech® and that means you must freely say exactly what we insist you say¡
This is probably fine.
Can’t they rent¿
dv said:
This is probably fine.
Meh. Such areas should just be deprived of essential services until enough people die (or leave) and leave behind a glut of housing stock such that prices drop to a level more affordable
party_pants said:
dv said:
This is probably fine.
Meh. Such areas should just be deprived of essential services until enough people die (or leave) and leave behind a glut of housing stock such that prices drop to a level more affordable
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/this-family-s-mortgage-repayments-about-to-triple-to-90k-a-year-20230404-p5cxwe
we need one of those Chinese ghost cities.
dv said:
This is probably fine.
It hasn’t changed much. I couldn’t afford to live where I am now when I was that old. I bought a cheap block of land out in the swamp, and built a very cheap house in the swamp. Now it is where I live, and the bank had decided that it is worth way more than I paid for it.
Each generation does the same.
Buy a piece of land that you can afford, and it will appreciate in value.
No-one is creating more land.
Kingy said:
dv said:
This is probably fine.
It hasn’t changed much. I couldn’t afford to live where I am now when I was that old. I bought a cheap block of land out in the swamp, and built a very cheap house in the swamp. Now it is where I live, and the bank had decided that it is worth way more than I paid for it.
Each generation does the same.
Buy a piece of land that you can afford, and it will appreciate in value.
No-one is creating more land.
It’s actually changed quite a bit.
Elder daughter bought a 4 bed house 18 years ago (with her partner), which is now virtually paid off, and worth about 5 x what they paid for it.
Younger daughter (3 years younger) has been house sharing for those 18 years. She’s finally got fed up with that, but despite being now on a decent income there is no way she can afford a house (or even a 1 bed apartment) so she’s renting a 1 bed apartment for $520 a week. How low income people manage, I really don’t know.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
This is probably fine.
It hasn’t changed much. I couldn’t afford to live where I am now when I was that old. I bought a cheap block of land out in the swamp, and built a very cheap house in the swamp. Now it is where I live, and the bank had decided that it is worth way more than I paid for it.
Each generation does the same.
Buy a piece of land that you can afford, and it will appreciate in value.
No-one is creating more land.
It’s actually changed quite a bit.
Elder daughter bought a 4 bed house 18 years ago (with her partner), which is now virtually paid off, and worth about 5 x what they paid for it.
Younger daughter (3 years younger) has been house sharing for those 18 years. She’s finally got fed up with that, but despite being now on a decent income there is no way she can afford a house (or even a 1 bed apartment) so she’s renting a 1 bed apartment for $520 a week. How low income people manage, I really don’t know.
Upcoming court case where local council is taking one of my neighbours for living in a shed. they want 86k and to demolish. which would mean that they would bankrupt him and take property. Matt #1t has paid thousands to council for a house permit and has not got plans approved.
I’m not sure why joining the homeless would be a good thing for him.
Also after baring all to the Robodebt commission he is still fighting the robodebt. The logic goes that even if you were bullied into agreeing to an agreement you did agree.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
This is probably fine.
It hasn’t changed much. I couldn’t afford to live where I am now when I was that old. I bought a cheap block of land out in the swamp, and built a very cheap house in the swamp. Now it is where I live, and the bank had decided that it is worth way more than I paid for it.
Each generation does the same.
Buy a piece of land that you can afford, and it will appreciate in value.
No-one is creating more land.
It’s actually changed quite a bit.
Elder daughter bought a 4 bed house 18 years ago (with her partner), which is now virtually paid off, and worth about 5 x what they paid for it.
Younger daughter (3 years younger) has been house sharing for those 18 years. She’s finally got fed up with that, but despite being now on a decent income there is no way she can afford a house (or even a 1 bed apartment) so she’s renting a 1 bed apartment for $520 a week. How low income people manage, I really don’t know.
Buy a cheap block of land, and build a house on it.
It’s not going to be what you want, but it will be.
Kingy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:It hasn’t changed much. I couldn’t afford to live where I am now when I was that old. I bought a cheap block of land out in the swamp, and built a very cheap house in the swamp. Now it is where I live, and the bank had decided that it is worth way more than I paid for it.
Each generation does the same.
Buy a piece of land that you can afford, and it will appreciate in value.
No-one is creating more land.
It’s actually changed quite a bit.
Elder daughter bought a 4 bed house 18 years ago (with her partner), which is now virtually paid off, and worth about 5 x what they paid for it.
Younger daughter (3 years younger) has been house sharing for those 18 years. She’s finally got fed up with that, but despite being now on a decent income there is no way she can afford a house (or even a 1 bed apartment) so she’s renting a 1 bed apartment for $520 a week. How low income people manage, I really don’t know.
Buy a cheap block of land, and build a house on it.
It’s not going to be what you want, but it will be.
Not an option if you live in Sydney (or any of the other state capitals I suspect).
Kingy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:It hasn’t changed much. I couldn’t afford to live where I am now when I was that old. I bought a cheap block of land out in the swamp, and built a very cheap house in the swamp. Now it is where I live, and the bank had decided that it is worth way more than I paid for it.
Each generation does the same.
Buy a piece of land that you can afford, and it will appreciate in value.
No-one is creating more land.
It’s actually changed quite a bit.
Elder daughter bought a 4 bed house 18 years ago (with her partner), which is now virtually paid off, and worth about 5 x what they paid for it.
Younger daughter (3 years younger) has been house sharing for those 18 years. She’s finally got fed up with that, but despite being now on a decent income there is no way she can afford a house (or even a 1 bed apartment) so she’s renting a 1 bed apartment for $520 a week. How low income people manage, I really don’t know.
Buy a cheap block of land, and build a house on it.
It’s not going to be what you want, but it will be.
It’s a problem when there are people who are needed as teachers and nurses in the middle of Sydney who can’t buy anywhere within 1.5 hours drive of their job. It really did not used to be like that, that their only option was to spend 3 hours a day on the road.
The solution of course is for people to give up on working in Sydney and Melbourne…
The Rev Dodgson said:
(or any of the other state capitals I suspect).
It’s not too bad in Perth, partly because the traffic works better.
Kingy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:It hasn’t changed much. I couldn’t afford to live where I am now when I was that old. I bought a cheap block of land out in the swamp, and built a very cheap house in the swamp. Now it is where I live, and the bank had decided that it is worth way more than I paid for it.
Each generation does the same.
Buy a piece of land that you can afford, and it will appreciate in value.
No-one is creating more land.
It’s actually changed quite a bit.
Elder daughter bought a 4 bed house 18 years ago (with her partner), which is now virtually paid off, and worth about 5 x what they paid for it.
Younger daughter (3 years younger) has been house sharing for those 18 years. She’s finally got fed up with that, but despite being now on a decent income there is no way she can afford a house (or even a 1 bed apartment) so she’s renting a 1 bed apartment for $520 a week. How low income people manage, I really don’t know.
Buy a cheap block of land, and build a house on it.
It’s not going to be what you want, but it will be.
not quite that simple, a lot of people can’t just move away from where they work.
So in summary, as suggested, they can rent, as long as essential work is paid adequately.
kii said:
School shootings in the USA, I’m not sure of the time frame.
In case you’ve lost track:
Thurston High School
Columbine High School
Heritage High School
Deming Middle School
Fort Gibson Middle School
Buell Elementary School
Lake Worth Middle School
University of Arkansas
Junipero Serra High School
Santana High School
Bishop Neumann High School
Pacific Lutheran University
Granite Hills High School
Lew Wallace High School
Martin Luther King, Jr High School
Appalachian School of Law
Washington High School
Conception Abbey
Benjamin Tasker Middle School
University of Arizona
Lincoln High School
John McDonogh High School
Red Lion Area Junior High School
Case Western Reserve University
Rocori High School
Ballou High School
Randallstown High School
Bowen High School
Red Lake Senior High School
Harlan Community Academy High School
Campbell County High School
Milwee Middle School
Roseburg High School
Pine Middle School
Essex Elementary School
Duquesne University
Platte Canyon High School
Weston High School
West Nickel Mines School
Joplin Memorial Middle School
Henry Foss High School
Compton Centennial High School
Virginia Tech
Success Tech Academy
Miami Carol City Senior High School
Hamilton High School
Louisiana Technical College
Mitchell High School
EO Green Junior High School
Northern Illinois University
Lakota Middle School
Knoxville Central High School
Willoughby South High School
Henry Ford High School
University of Central Arkansas
Dillard High School
Dunbar High School
Hampton University
Harvard College
Larose-Cut Off Middle School
International Studies Academy
Skyline College
Discovery Middle School
University of Alabama
DeKalb School
Deer Creek Middle School
Ohio State University
Mumford High School
University of Texas
Kelly Elementary School
Marinette High School
Aurora Central High School
Millard South High School
Martinsville West Middle School
Worthing High School
Millard South High School
Highlands Intermediate School
Cape Fear High School
Chardon High School
Episcopal School of Jacksonville
Oikos University
Hamilton High School
Perry Hall School
Normal Community High School
University of South Alabama
Banner Academy South
University of Southern California
Sandy Hook Elementary School
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School
Taft Union High School
Osborn High School
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts
Hazard Community and Technical College
Chicago State University
Lone Star College-North
Cesar Chavez High School
Price Middle School
University of Central Florida
New River Community College
Grambling State University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School
Ronald E McNair Discovery Academy
North Panola High School
Carver High School
Agape Christian Academy
Sparks Middle School
North Carolina A&T State University
Stephenson High School
Brashear High School
West Orange High School
Arapahoe High School
Edison High School
Liberty Technology Magnet High School
Hillhouse High School
Berrendo Middle School
Purdue University
South Carolina State University
Los Angeles Valley College
Charles F Brush High School
University of Southern California
Georgia Regents University
Academy of Knowledge Preschool
Benjamin Banneker High School
D H Conley High School
East English Village Preparatory Academy
Paine College
Georgia Gwinnett College
John F Kennedy High School
Seattle Pacific University
Reynolds High School
Indiana State University
Albemarle High School
Fern Creek Traditional High School
Langston Hughes High School
Marysville Pilchuck High School
Florida State University
Miami Carol City High School
Rogers State University
Rosemary Anderson High School
Wisconsin Lutheran High School
Frederick High School
Tenaya Middle School
Bethune-Cookman University
Pershing Elementary School
Wayne Community College
JB Martin Middle School
Southwestern Classical Academy
Savannah State University
Harrisburg High School
Umpqua Community College
Northern Arizona University
Texas Southern University
Tennessee State University
Winston-Salem State University
Mojave High School
Lawrence Central High School
Franklin High School
Muskegon Heights High School
Independence High School
Madison High School
Antigo High School
University of California-Los Angeles
Jeremiah Burke High School
Alpine High School
Townville Elementary School
Vigor High School
Linden McKinley STEM Academy
June Jordan High School for Equity
Union Middle School
Mueller Park Junior High School
West Liberty-Salem High School
University of Washington
King City High School
North Park Elementary School
North Lake College
Freeman High School
Mattoon High School
Rancho Tehama Elementary School
Aztec High School
Wake Forest University
Italy High School
NET Charter High School
Marshall County High School
Sal Castro Middle School
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Robb Elementary SchoolThurston High School
Columbine High School
Heritage High School
Deming Middle School
Fort Gibson Middle School
Buell Elementary School
Lake Worth Middle School
University of Arkansas
Junipero Serra High School
Santana High School
Bishop Neumann High School
Pacific Lutheran University
Granite Hills High School
Lew Wallace High School
Martin Luther King, Jr High School
Appalachian School of Law
Washington High School
Conception Abbey
Benjamin Tasker Middle School
University of Arizona
Lincoln High School
John McDonogh High School
Red Lion Area Junior High School
Case Western Reserve University
Rocori High School
Ballou High School
Randallstown High School
Bowen High School
Red Lake Senior High School
Harlan Community Academy High School
Campbell County High School
Milwee Middle School
Roseburg High School
Pine Middle School
Essex Elementary School
Duquesne University
Platte Canyon High School
Weston High School
West Nickel Mines School
Joplin Memorial Middle School
Henry Foss High School
Compton Centennial High School
Virginia Tech
Success Tech Academy
Miami Carol City Senior High School
Hamilton High School
Louisiana Technical College
Mitchell High School
EO Green Junior High School
Northern Illinois University
Lakota Middle School
Knoxville Central High School
Willoughby South High School
Henry Ford High School
University of Central Arkansas
Dillard High School
Dunbar High School
Hampton University
Harvard College
Larose-Cut Off Middle School
International Studies Academy
Skyline College
Discovery Middle School
University of Alabama
DeKalb School
Deer Creek Middle School
Ohio State University
Mumford High School
University of Texas
Kelly Elementary School
Marinette High School
Aurora Central High School
Millard South High School
Martinsville West Middle School
Worthing High School
Millard South High School
Highlands Intermediate School
Cape Fear High School
Chardon High School
Episcopal School of Jacksonville
Oikos University
Hamilton High School
Perry Hall School
Normal Community High School
University of South Alabama
Banner Academy South
University of Southern California
Sandy Hook Elementary School
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School
Taft Union High School
Osborn High School
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts
Hazard Community and Technical College
Chicago State University
Lone Star College-North
Cesar Chavez High School
Price Middle School
University of Central Florida
New River Community College
Grambling State University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School
Ronald E McNair Discovery Academy
North Panola High School
Carver High School
Agape Christian Academy
Sparks Middle School
North Carolina A&T State University
Stephenson High School
Brashear High School
West Orange High School
Arapahoe High School
Edison High School
Liberty Technology Magnet High School
Hillhouse High School
Berrendo Middle School
Purdue University
South Carolina State University
Los Angeles Valley College
Charles F Brush High School
University of Southern California
Georgia Regents University
Academy of Knowledge Preschool
Benjamin Banneker High School
D H Conley High School
East English Village Preparatory Academy
Paine College
Georgia Gwinnett College
John F Kennedy High School
Seattle Pacific University
Reynolds High School
Indiana State University
Albemarle High School
Fern Creek Traditional High School
Langston Hughes High School
Marysville Pilchuck High School
Florida State University
Miami Carol City High School
Rogers State University
Rosemary Anderson High School
Wisconsin Lutheran High School
Frederick High School
Tenaya Middle School
Bethune-Cookman University
Pershing Elementary School
Wayne Community College
JB Martin Middle School
Southwestern Classical Academy
Savannah State University
Harrisburg High School
Umpqua Community College
Northern Arizona University
Texas Southern University
Tennessee State University
Winston-Salem State University
Mojave High School
Lawrence Central High School
Franklin High School
Muskegon Heights High School
Independence High School
Madison High School
Antigo High School
University of California-Los Angeles
Jeremiah Burke High School
Alpine High School
Townville Elementary School
Vigor High School
Linden McKinley STEM Academy
June Jordan High School for Equity
Union Middle School
Mueller Park Junior High School
West Liberty-Salem High School
University of Washington
King City High School
North Park Elementary School
North Lake College
Freeman High School
Mattoon High School
Rancho Tehama Elementary School
Aztec High School
Wake Forest University
Italy High School
NET Charter High School
Marshall County High School
Sal Castro Middle School
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Conniston Middle School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Bridgewater University
Robb Elementary School
Michigan State University
Covenant Christian School
School shootings in selected Australian states, around age 12 years.
https://www.health.vic.gov.au/immunisation/resources-for-secondary-schools-ssip
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/immunisation/Pages/schoolvaccination.aspx
SCIENCE said:
So in summary, as suggested, they can rent, as long as essential work is paid adequately.
And rentals are available.
He was taught in grade eight¡
Sorry, link https://twitter.com/MichaelEMann/status/1642540695566143490 if you found it worth.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-29/liberals-apologise-injuring-parliament-house-attendant-in-rush/102158224
The Reserve Bank doesn’t need an overhaul, Australia needs fairer policies, says former governor
The independence of the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) and its inflation-targeting have served this country well and should not be abandoned, but its performance has been undermined by governments pursuing neoliberal policies, a former RBA governor says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/bernie-fraser-former-governor-rba-review-neoliberalism-inflation/102131054
dv said:
The Reserve Bank doesn’t need an overhaul, Australia needs fairer policies, says former governorThe independence of the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) and its inflation-targeting have served this country well and should not be abandoned, but its performance has been undermined by governments pursuing neoliberal policies, a former RBA governor says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/bernie-fraser-former-governor-rba-review-neoliberalism-inflation/102131054
Cherry picked from that:
“Neoliberalism is about minimum tax, minimum government spending and lots of concessions for businesses and private entrepreneurs, because they’re the ones that neoliberalism sees as driving the economy and. in a way they do, they drive growth, but it’s the question of the distribution of growth neoliberalism is a complete flop,” he said.
dv said:
The Reserve Bank doesn’t need an overhaul, Australia needs fairer policies, says former governorThe independence of the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) and its inflation-targeting have served this country well and should not be abandoned, but its performance has been undermined by governments pursuing neoliberal policies, a former RBA governor says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/bernie-fraser-former-governor-rba-review-neoliberalism-inflation/102131054
Absolutely correct. If the RBA kept interest rates low inflation would probably be through the roof. The government is fucking around with the economy for their own purposes and dumping all the hard work on the RBA because the RBA doesn’t have to worry about voters.
Maybe we should farm out MORE economic policies and settings from the government to new independent bodies?
dv said:
The Reserve Bank doesn’t need an overhaul, Australia needs fairer policies, says former governorThe independence of the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) and its inflation-targeting have served this country well and should not be abandoned, but its performance has been undermined by governments pursuing neoliberal policies, a former RBA governor says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/bernie-fraser-former-governor-rba-review-neoliberalism-inflation/102131054
read that and another page related, cheers
transition said:
dv said:
The Reserve Bank doesn’t need an overhaul, Australia needs fairer policies, says former governorThe independence of the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) and its inflation-targeting have served this country well and should not be abandoned, but its performance has been undermined by governments pursuing neoliberal policies, a former RBA governor says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/bernie-fraser-former-governor-rba-review-neoliberalism-inflation/102131054
read that and another page related, cheers
No power
No water
Nowhere to live.
The only thing there’s lots of is stupid people that vote for their own demise. It’s truly amazing when you think about it.
Kothos said:
dv said:
The Reserve Bank doesn’t need an overhaul, Australia needs fairer policies, says former governorThe independence of the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) and its inflation-targeting have served this country well and should not be abandoned, but its performance has been undermined by governments pursuing neoliberal policies, a former RBA governor says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/bernie-fraser-former-governor-rba-review-neoliberalism-inflation/102131054
Absolutely correct. If the RBA kept interest rates low inflation would probably be through the roof. The government is fucking around with the economy for their own purposes and dumping all the hard work on the RBA because the RBA doesn’t have to worry about voters.
Maybe we should farm out MORE economic policies and settings from the government to new independent bodies?
Fiscal policy to fight inflation is a lot harder political beast to tame than monetary policy.
wookiemeister said:
transition said:
dv said:
The Reserve Bank doesn’t need an overhaul, Australia needs fairer policies, says former governorThe independence of the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) and its inflation-targeting have served this country well and should not be abandoned, but its performance has been undermined by governments pursuing neoliberal policies, a former RBA governor says.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-30/bernie-fraser-former-governor-rba-review-neoliberalism-inflation/102131054
read that and another page related, cheers
Lucky we’ll have 650,000 to 1 million new people in the next 2 yearsNo power
No water
Nowhere to live.
The only thing there’s lots of is stupid people that vote for their own demise. It’s truly amazing when you think about it.
dunno what’s going on, have an idea very low or near zero interest rates for extended periods is poison, craziness
add overly generous stimulus also during a disaster, like pandemic response, distortion on top of distortion
no sustainable sensible adjustment to reality in those, loss of simple good sense, structure that way
You see HG wells thought that it was the education of men that led to the social revolutions, the industrial revolution required trained men to fix the machines, required them to read, evaluate. Increasing complexity bred science and science bred further complexity all requiring men’s minds to be further educated. With all these empowered running around it dug out the foundations of the existing order. Educated men would translate all these new skills to their social environment ( does Marx say this too ? I think so)
He attributes true progress to the way men’s minds were being ordered to make more rational decisions/ understanding.
Nowadays I’ve started doubting this.
Being able to fix an engine or spreadsheet or understand an formula, being a professional doesn’t give you some divine wisdom of the ages. I think we lost our edge decades ago with the rise of the idiot.
The best example I’ve seen recently is the NSW gov removing the brickies course from Coffs harbour TAFE. This means at some point ( already causing problems) no young person who lives in the area will graduate as someone who is certified to build accommodation – the very thing we need more of !
Then you’ve got a 1 trillion dollar sub programme that gets into full swing sometime 2050 – incredible.
Its the degradation of the mind, the most stupid, unproductive decisions and understanding possible.
At the end of the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy you have a focus group for the wheel that’s debating the colour and other trivial matters instead of the fact that a wheel needs to be round.
wookiemeister said:
You see HG wells thought that it was the education of men that led to the social revolutions, the industrial revolution required trained men to fix the machines, required them to read, evaluate. Increasing complexity bred science and science bred further complexity all requiring men’s minds to be further educated. With all these empowered running around it dug out the foundations of the existing order. Educated men would translate all these new skills to their social environment ( does Marx say this too ? I think so)He attributes true progress to the way men’s minds were being ordered to make more rational decisions/ understanding.
Nowadays I’ve started doubting this.
Being able to fix an engine or spreadsheet or understand an formula, being a professional doesn’t give you some divine wisdom of the ages. I think we lost our edge decades ago with the rise of the idiot.
The best example I’ve seen recently is the NSW gov removing the brickies course from Coffs harbour TAFE. This means at some point ( already causing problems) no young person who lives in the area will graduate as someone who is certified to build accommodation – the very thing we need more of !
Then you’ve got a 1 trillion dollar sub programme that gets into full swing sometime 2050 – incredible.
Its the degradation of the mind, the most stupid, unproductive decisions and understanding possible.
At the end of the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy you have a focus group for the wheel that’s debating the colour and other trivial matters instead of the fact that a wheel needs to be round.
LOL
I think what we’ve been seeing is the eradication of the mind. This get worse because it’s a positive feed back loop – each new year brings the next batch of idiots into positions of power who are worse than the previous year. You have the existing entrenched idiot that is more or less inflexible in thought and deed , now you have the fanatical idiot determined to right “wrongs” , wrong think wrong do.
There’s serious chat that Morrison is about to announce his retirement from parliament, which will mean a by-election in the Federal seat of Cook.
Labor would need a 12% swing to pick up Cook. They got a 7% swing in Aston but I would expect 12 would be a big ask.
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In NSW it looks like all seats are settled except Ryde, though I reckon Libs will win it as their lead is pretty steady. If so, Labor has 45 seats and need two more for a majority. There are 9 independents and 3 Greens so they have plenty of places to go looking for those 2 votes, should be able to govern without too much strife.
dv said:
There’s serious chat that Morrison is about to announce his retirement from parliament, which will mean a by-election in the Federal seat of Cook.Labor would need a 12% swing to pick up Cook. They got a 7% swing in Aston but I would expect 12 would be a big ask.
—-
In NSW it looks like all seats are settled except Ryde, though I reckon Libs will win it as their lead is pretty steady. If so, Labor has 45 seats and need two more for a majority. There are 9 independents and 3 Greens so they have plenty of places to go looking for those 2 votes, should be able to govern without too much strife.
It’s going to be a Green coalition isn’t it? Or are they likely to regularly piss off the Greens and go looking for their 2 votes elsewhere?
dv said:
There’s serious chat that Morrison is about to announce his retirement from parliament, which will mean a by-election in the Federal seat of Cook.Labor would need a 12% swing to pick up Cook. They got a 7% swing in Aston but I would expect 12 would be a big ask.
—-
In NSW it looks like all seats are settled except Ryde, though I reckon Libs will win it as their lead is pretty steady. If so, Labor has 45 seats and need two more for a majority. There are 9 independents and 3 Greens so they have plenty of places to go looking for those 2 votes, should be able to govern without too much strife.
Morrison is very on the nose even with the old blue bloods around here. Could they find someone good enough to stand. And losing another seat would be very, very embarrassing. Is it worth the risk for them?
buffy said:
dv said:
There’s serious chat that Morrison is about to announce his retirement from parliament, which will mean a by-election in the Federal seat of Cook.Labor would need a 12% swing to pick up Cook. They got a 7% swing in Aston but I would expect 12 would be a big ask.
—-
In NSW it looks like all seats are settled except Ryde, though I reckon Libs will win it as their lead is pretty steady. If so, Labor has 45 seats and need two more for a majority. There are 9 independents and 3 Greens so they have plenty of places to go looking for those 2 votes, should be able to govern without too much strife.
Morrison is very on the nose even with the old blue bloods around here. Could they find someone good enough to stand. And losing another seat would be very, very embarrassing. Is it worth the risk for them?
I’m not sure ScoMo gives two shits about the Liberal Party at the moment. I reckon he’d much prefer to just be free to be out in the wild saying whatever pops into his head to whomever will listen.
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:
dv said:
There’s serious chat that Morrison is about to announce his retirement from parliament, which will mean a by-election in the Federal seat of Cook.Labor would need a 12% swing to pick up Cook. They got a 7% swing in Aston but I would expect 12 would be a big ask.
—-
In NSW it looks like all seats are settled except Ryde, though I reckon Libs will win it as their lead is pretty steady. If so, Labor has 45 seats and need two more for a majority. There are 9 independents and 3 Greens so they have plenty of places to go looking for those 2 votes, should be able to govern without too much strife.
Morrison is very on the nose even with the old blue bloods around here. Could they find someone good enough to stand. And losing another seat would be very, very embarrassing. Is it worth the risk for them?
I’m not sure ScoMo gives two shits about the Liberal Party at the moment. I reckon he’d much prefer to just be free to be out in the wild saying whatever pops into his head to whomever will listen.
Future One Nation member?
Kothos said:
dv said:
There’s serious chat that Morrison is about to announce his retirement from parliament, which will mean a by-election in the Federal seat of Cook.Labor would need a 12% swing to pick up Cook. They got a 7% swing in Aston but I would expect 12 would be a big ask.
—-
In NSW it looks like all seats are settled except Ryde, though I reckon Libs will win it as their lead is pretty steady. If so, Labor has 45 seats and need two more for a majority. There are 9 independents and 3 Greens so they have plenty of places to go looking for those 2 votes, should be able to govern without too much strife.
It’s going to be a Green coalition isn’t it? Or are they likely to regularly piss off the Greens and go looking for their 2 votes elsewhere?
It’s not really a Coalition. There won’t be Greens in cabinet positions. It’s just an ordinary minority government.
Kothos said:
Future One Nation member?
He’s not that type
dv said:
Kothos said:
Future One Nation member?
He’s not that type
Always knew they was thugs.
SCIENCE said:
Always knew they was thugs.
So where’s that?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Always knew they was thugs.
So where’s that?
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Always knew they was thugs.
So where’s that?
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
So where’s that?
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
Too many fat guts trying to get through at the one time for a smoko break I reckon
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
So where’s that?
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
The CFMEU said they are in contact with building management and have offered to to fix the door.
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
So where’s that?
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
Although despite not always agreeing with Witty Rejoinder, we acknowledge that the communist has a point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
The belief that destruction is good for the economy is consequently known as the broken window fallacy or glazier’s fallacy.
Literally 100% boom tish.
Well that’s pretty much the sound it made in the video they have anyway.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
Although despite not always agreeing with Witty Rejoinder, we acknowledge that the communist has a point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
The belief that destruction is good for the economy is consequently known as the broken window fallacy or glazier’s fallacy.
Literally 100% boom tish.
Well that’s pretty much the sound it made in the video they have anyway.
Looks like it is not a cheap door.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Witty Rejoinder said:
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
The CFMEU said they are in contact with building management and have offered to to fix the door.
$90 call out fee mate, $150 an hour, billed in 5 minutes increments, smoko break every 10 minutes (on the clock) and a carton of beer when the jobs done, extra if our arse cracks are covered.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
“busting”
Fair Work Commission Brisbane. Maybe glaziers are union members.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
Too many fat guts trying to get through at the one time for a smoko break I reckon
Which brings us full circle back to dv’s little USSA jaunt and the trolling of multinational companies.
Late last month, Amazon chief executive Andy Jassy gave an update on the company’s operational plan and “role eliminations” . “The overriding tenet of our annual planning this year was to be leaner while doing so in a way that enables us to still invest robustly in the key long-term customer experiences that we believe can meaningfully improve customers’ lives and Amazon as a whole.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/book-depository-closing-down-last-orders-april-26/102190004
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/cfmeu-protest-march-building-brisbane-glass-smashed/102189816
Too many fat guts trying to get through at the one time for a smoko break I reckon
Which brings us full circle back to dv’s little USSA jaunt and the trolling of multinational companies.
Late last month, Amazon chief executive Andy Jassy gave an update on the company’s operational plan and “role eliminations” . “The overriding tenet of our annual planning this year was to be leaner while doing so in a way that enables us to still invest robustly in the key long-term customer experiences that we believe can meaningfully improve customers’ lives and Amazon as a whole.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-05/book-depository-closing-down-last-orders-april-26/102190004
I saw that, pity they were reasonably priced for most things
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/password-crackers-and-metadata-used-to-check-centrelink-users-relationship-status-592649
Services Australia is using telecommunications metadata and password-bypassing software to investigate welfare recipients suspected of claiming single payments while in relationships.
The Centrelink administrator told the Attorney General’s Department (ADG) that metadata is used to detect “people who receive payments as a single person while in a marriage-like relationship,” according to documents obtained by iTnews.
Submissions to AGD in 2015 and again in 2022 , obtained through a freedom of information request, list types of fraud the agency uses welfare recipients’ telecommunications metadata to detect.
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Not satire
dv said:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/password-crackers-and-metadata-used-to-check-centrelink-users-relationship-status-592649Services Australia is using telecommunications metadata and password-bypassing software to investigate welfare recipients suspected of claiming single payments while in relationships.
The Centrelink administrator told the Attorney General’s Department (ADG) that metadata is used to detect “people who receive payments as a single person while in a marriage-like relationship,” according to documents obtained by iTnews.
Submissions to AGD in 2015 and again in 2022 , obtained through a freedom of information request, list types of fraud the agency uses welfare recipients’ telecommunications metadata to detect.
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Not satire
sounds right to me.
dv said:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/password-crackers-and-metadata-used-to-check-centrelink-users-relationship-status-592649Services Australia is using telecommunications metadata and password-bypassing software to investigate welfare recipients suspected of claiming single payments while in relationships.
The Centrelink administrator told the Attorney General’s Department (ADG) that metadata is used to detect “people who receive payments as a single person while in a marriage-like relationship,” according to documents obtained by iTnews.
Submissions to AGD in 2015 and again in 2022 , obtained through a freedom of information request, list types of fraud the agency uses welfare recipients’ telecommunications metadata to detect.
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Not satire
Meanwhile, mining companies and property ‘developers’ from outside Australia make hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars in profit from this country, and, thanks to benevolent tax laws and clever accountants, pay VERY little tax, and frequently none at all.
Bass’ Bridget Archer to actively support ‘Yes’ campaign for Voice
‘Get out of the way’: Bass MHR Bridget Archer breaks Liberal ranks on Voice
‘Get out of the way’: Bass MHR Bridget Archer breaks Liberal ranks on Voice
Bass Liberal MHR Bridget Archer is breaking with her party’s position on an indigenous voice to parliament, stating that it should just ‘get out of the way’.
The Liberal Party has publicly announced its position on the voice debate, where it agrees with constitutional recognition for Indigenous Australians but will not support an independent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander advisory voice to parliament.
Instead, it supports local and regional indigenous bodies to facilitate improvements for indigenous Australians.
Liberal leader Peter Dutton said the party would actively campaign against the Voice proposal as the referendum draws close, which will be some time after October this year.
Ms Archer said she would continue to actively support a ‘Yes’ campaign despite an “overwhelming” majority in the Liberal party room voting no,
She said any reflection that the Liberal party would address the Voice matter differently was redundant.
“We had the opportunity to take this action. We have been talking about it for a long time…We actually had the chance to do something and we didn’t.”
Ms Archer said indigenous Australians should be consulted on the matters that affect their lives.
“For me there is a moral imperative at this point to support this campaign,” Ms Archer said.
“We are going to have a referendum. The Australian people should ultimately have their say and my view would be that the best thing to do is get out of the way of that.”
Ms Acher said she is well aware of her opposing view coming with possible negative consequence.
“I’ve realised, and probably realised the first time that I took a contrary position, that it is 100 per cent not without consequence.
“Even without looking at my own example, you can look to history at members who have done that and look how their career advance has worked out within the Liberal party.”
https://www.examiner.com.au/…/get-out-of-the-way-bass…/
sarahs mum said:
Bass’ Bridget Archer to actively support ‘Yes’ campaign for Voice
‘Get out of the way’: Bass MHR Bridget Archer breaks Liberal ranks on Voice
‘Get out of the way’: Bass MHR Bridget Archer breaks Liberal ranks on Voice
Bass Liberal MHR Bridget Archer is breaking with her party’s position on an indigenous voice to parliament, stating that it should just ‘get out of the way’.
The Liberal Party has publicly announced its position on the voice debate, where it agrees with constitutional recognition for Indigenous Australians but will not support an independent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander advisory voice to parliament.
Instead, it supports local and regional indigenous bodies to facilitate improvements for indigenous Australians.
Liberal leader Peter Dutton said the party would actively campaign against the Voice proposal as the referendum draws close, which will be some time after October this year.
Ms Archer said she would continue to actively support a ‘Yes’ campaign despite an “overwhelming” majority in the Liberal party room voting no,
She said any reflection that the Liberal party would address the Voice matter differently was redundant.
“We had the opportunity to take this action. We have been talking about it for a long time…We actually had the chance to do something and we didn’t.”
Ms Archer said indigenous Australians should be consulted on the matters that affect their lives.
“For me there is a moral imperative at this point to support this campaign,” Ms Archer said.
“We are going to have a referendum. The Australian people should ultimately have their say and my view would be that the best thing to do is get out of the way of that.”
Ms Acher said she is well aware of her opposing view coming with possible negative consequence.
“I’ve realised, and probably realised the first time that I took a contrary position, that it is 100 per cent not without consequence.
“Even without looking at my own example, you can look to history at members who have done that and look how their career advance has worked out within the Liberal party.”
https://www.examiner.com.au/…/get-out-of-the-way-bass…/
The rest of her party are determined be electoral losers for a long time yet, so maybe she’s on the wrong team.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bass’ Bridget Archer to actively support ‘Yes’ campaign for Voice
‘Get out of the way’: Bass MHR Bridget Archer breaks Liberal ranks on Voice
‘Get out of the way’: Bass MHR Bridget Archer breaks Liberal ranks on Voice
Bass Liberal MHR Bridget Archer is breaking with her party’s position on an indigenous voice to parliament, stating that it should just ‘get out of the way’.
The Liberal Party has publicly announced its position on the voice debate, where it agrees with constitutional recognition for Indigenous Australians but will not support an independent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander advisory voice to parliament.
Instead, it supports local and regional indigenous bodies to facilitate improvements for indigenous Australians.
Liberal leader Peter Dutton said the party would actively campaign against the Voice proposal as the referendum draws close, which will be some time after October this year.
Ms Archer said she would continue to actively support a ‘Yes’ campaign despite an “overwhelming” majority in the Liberal party room voting no,
She said any reflection that the Liberal party would address the Voice matter differently was redundant.
“We had the opportunity to take this action. We have been talking about it for a long time…We actually had the chance to do something and we didn’t.”
Ms Archer said indigenous Australians should be consulted on the matters that affect their lives.
“For me there is a moral imperative at this point to support this campaign,” Ms Archer said.
“We are going to have a referendum. The Australian people should ultimately have their say and my view would be that the best thing to do is get out of the way of that.”
Ms Acher said she is well aware of her opposing view coming with possible negative consequence.
“I’ve realised, and probably realised the first time that I took a contrary position, that it is 100 per cent not without consequence.
“Even without looking at my own example, you can look to history at members who have done that and look how their career advance has worked out within the Liberal party.”
https://www.examiner.com.au/…/get-out-of-the-way-bass…/
The rest of her party are determined be electoral losers for a long time yet, so maybe she’s on the wrong team.
She says she is what the party should be. they should change. I think she believes in stuff that does not exist anymore.
There was a large call last election for her to stand as an independent. But she said she wanted to be part of the instrument of change.
There is no way they would let her become leader but she could win an election for them…
dv said:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/password-crackers-and-metadata-used-to-check-centrelink-users-relationship-status-592649Services Australia is using telecommunications metadata and password-bypassing software to investigate welfare recipients suspected of claiming single payments while in relationships.
The Centrelink administrator told the Attorney General’s Department (ADG) that metadata is used to detect “people who receive payments as a single person while in a marriage-like relationship,” according to documents obtained by iTnews.
Submissions to AGD in 2015 and again in 2022 , obtained through a freedom of information request, list types of fraud the agency uses welfare recipients’ telecommunications metadata to detect.
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Not satire
i’d expect using metadata to look at impercipients’ commutations, joining the digital dots, probably has a history, going back over two decades
Looks like I’m voting YES then. Just to spite the fuckers.
party_pants said:
Looks like I’m voting YES then. Just to spite the fuckers.
Yes, Spite the Human Rights Abusers, Spite them.
roughbarked said:
Bruce Lehrmann files defamation claim against the ABC
Is he still working as a public servant?
roughbarked said:
Bruce Lehrmann files defamation claim against the ABC
that cunt needs to be very careful what he wishes for…
sarahs mum said:
Only did a quick Binge, but it seems that the phrase “woke equals fascism” actually came from the lips of Rowan Dean, not Potato Head.
Not that makes what he did say any better, but perhaps using the F word is still too far for our dear alternative leader.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Only did a quick Binge, but it seems that the phrase “woke equals fascism” actually came from the lips of Rowan Dean, not Potato Head.
Not that makes what he did say any better, but perhaps using the F word is still too far for our dear alternative leader.
well checked.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
Only did a quick Binge, but it seems that the phrase “woke equals fascism” actually came from the lips of Rowan Dean, not Potato Head.
Not that makes what he did say any better, but perhaps using the F word is still too far for our dear alternative leader.
well checked.
From the Herald Sun:
Either the URL is incorrect, there’s a technical issue, or the page is no longer available.
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/clive-palmer-sues-for-300-billion-in-damages-from-commonwealth-20230330-p5cwqz.html
Clive Palmer sues for $300 billion in damages from Commonwealth
sarahs mum said:
Wow, so completely off the scale of normal.
dv said:
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/clive-palmer-sues-for-300-billion-in-damages-from-commonwealth-20230330-p5cwqz.htmlClive Palmer sues for $300 billion in damages from Commonwealth
He lost his lawsuit against WA and now can’t visit here anymore. (Do we have an extradition treaty with Queensland?)
I assume he will lose his new lawsuit against Australia and not be able to return, so Oz can resume his assets and repay his debts to the Commonwealth?
Then the Commonwealth can sue the fat fuck for being a vexatious litigant and a legal troll, and take all his overseas assets too.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Bruce Lehrmann files defamation claim against the ABCIs he still working as a public servant?
Looks like nhe’s busy elsewhere.
dv said:
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/clive-palmer-sues-for-300-billion-in-damages-from-commonwealth-20230330-p5cwqz.htmlClive Palmer sues for $300 billion in damages from Commonwealth
I’m sure it would cost less to just string him up.
I see that Albo has said the potato has taken the low road. Probably the best place for a spud, is under the ground. Maybe he’ll do some growing.
AUKUS front: Japan’s top admiral visits Australian submarine base
Navy chief Sakai seeks deeper collaboration with nuclear-powered fleet
KEN MORIYASU, Nikkei Asia diplomatic correspondent
April 5, 2023 17:30 JST
TOKYO — Japan’s top naval officer has visited a Western Australian port that may become one of the most strategically important hubs in the Indo-Pacific region, part of a steady increase of nuclear-powered submarines operating in waters off the country’s western shores.
Adm. Ryo Sakai, chief of staff of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, made the trip to HMAS Stirling, a Royal Navy base facing the Indian Ocean, during a six-day trip to Australia last week.
Speaking to reporters in Tokyo on Tuesday, Sakai said that Australia’s acquisition of conventionally armed, nuclear-powered submarines through the AUKUS pact with the U.S. and the U.K. is “an extremely positive development,” and that the Maritime SDF will seek to deepen collaboration with Australia.
Asked what type of collaboration he foresees with AUKUS submarines, Sakai said that together with their mutual ally the U.S., Japan and Australia should discuss division of roles and collaborate in ensuring regional stability.
The visit is another step in the deepening defense relationship between Japan and Australia. Both sides seek to uphold a balance of power in the Indo-Pacific region as China’s maritime power strengthens. While still in the early stages of their defense partnership, this could lead to Australia and Japan eventually using each other’s facilities to refuel, rearm, repair, maintain, overhaul and escort each other’s ships and aircraft, said Ashley Townshend, senior fellow for Indo-Pacific security at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
The recently announced plans to implement AUKUS envision a phased path to bolster Canberra’s undersea capability. Beginning this year, the U.S. plans to increase port visits by nuclear-powered submarines to Australia, with the U.K. following in 2026.
As early as 2027, the U.S. and U.K. plan to begin forward rotations of nuclear submarines to Australia, according to a joint statement by U.S. President Joe Biden, U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese on March 13. The deployment at HMAS Stirling will be comprised of one U.K. Astute-class submarine and up to four U.S. Virginia-class submarines.
Starting in the early 2030s, the U.S. will sell Australia up to five Virginia-class submarines as a stopgap measure, as Australia’s Collins Class diesel-electric submarines will have reached retirement age before the country can launch its own nuclear-powered submarines.
By the end of the decade, the U.K. and Australia will begin building a nuclear submarine, aptly named SSN-AUKUS. The U.K. intends to deliver its first vessel to the U.K. Royal Navy in the late 2030s, while Australia is shooting for delivery of its own to the Royal Australian Navy in the early 2040s, to be built in Adelaide, South Australia.
Throughout this decadeslong process, HMAS Stirling, near Perth, Western Australia, will be the hub of operations. Australia will expand Stirling to handle both visiting and rotational submarines as well as Australia’s own.
Sakai’s visit to the facility gave him a firsthand view of plans that are already in motion. He exchanged views with the head of the base and the commander of the submarine fleet. Sakai also inspected an Australian submarine docked at Stirling.
“This will be a hub for SSN AUKUS,” the admiral told reporters. “We exchanged views on the direction of Australia’s efforts, their concerns and a wide range of other issues.”
Carnegie’s Townshend said: “Deeper operational-level coordination between Australian and Japanese maritime assets is essential to advancing a strategy of collective deterrence and will require both sides, along with the U.S., to identify specific roles and responsibilities for their respective defense forces.”
Sharing logistics infrastructure and military facilities as staging posts for regional operations is a critical part of this agenda, Townshend said. “This would give practical expression to the soon-to-be-ratified Reciprocal Access Agreement and enable both sides to increase their regional military presence in integrated and sustainable ways,” he said.
“At the more ambitious end of the spectrum, role-sharing between Japan and Australia could eventually see both countries — alongside the U.S. and perhaps one day India — undertake coordinated efforts to track Chinese submarines across geographically defined areas of responsibility — sharing sensitive mission data, handing the baton of surveillance from one to another, and providing real-time sensing and targeting information that could underwrite a truly collective anti-submarine warfare effort,” Townshend explained.
He added that “we are a long way from this level of operational integration being possible or permissible.”
Tetsuo Kotani, professor at Meikai University, said, “Australia’s submarine program went through several changes before arriving at AUKUS,” noting that Canberra initially chose to purchase French diesel-electric submarines over Japanese boats, only to ditch the contract and switch to AUKUS.
“The operational concept is not entirely clear to the Japanese side, so the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force wants to deepen understanding through dialogue and think of ways to cooperate,” he said of Sakai’s visit.
During his stay in Australia, Sakai and counterpart Vice Adm. Mark Hammond agreed to set up a strategic dialogue mechanism between the two forces, only the second such dialogue Japanese naval forces have established outside the current one with the U.S.
AUKUS was originally announced in September 2021, after which the three member nations — Australia, the U.K. and U.S. — spent 18 months discussing how to best move forward. One major issue standing in the way was America’s overstretched nuclear shipyards.
In a webinar last Autumn, a U.S. admiral noted that it would be “detrimental” to add additional submarine construction to the existing industrial base. The phased approach, and ultimately tapping the U.K. to help with the construction of SSN AUKUS, was a compromise that seeks to provide Australia with submarine capability without hampering America’s own plans.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Indo-Pacific/AUKUS-front-Japan-s-top-admiral-visits-Australian-submarine-base?
Spiny Norman said:
LOLOLOLOL
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.
“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
We might have a Lib govt for a while.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
We might have a Lib govt for a while.
Are the Tasmanian ALP on the nose for any particular reason?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
We might have a Lib govt for a while.
Are the Tasmanian ALP on the nose for any particular reason?
Not so much. But they aren’t being a strong opposition. And the libs are more central than they have been…
The greens are at a historical low for Tassie. but the environment being fucked upon is a long way from Hobart and from Launceston.
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
Not a REAL Liberal then.
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
Give that man a gold star.
Kothos said:
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
Not a REAL Liberal then.
As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Bubblecar said:
Kothos said:
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
Not a REAL Liberal then.
As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Maybe they are thinking well if we can’t cut trees down, we have to cater to tree hugging tourists.
They simply have to be convinced that cable cars aren’t necessarily in line with what tourists want.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Kothos said:Not a REAL Liberal then.
As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Maybe they are thinking well if we can’t cut trees down, we have to cater to tree hugging tourists.
They simply have to be convinced that cable cars aren’t necessarily in line with what tourists want.
Chinese tourists love them a cable car.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Maybe they are thinking well if we can’t cut trees down, we have to cater to tree hugging tourists.
They simply have to be convinced that cable cars aren’t necessarily in line with what tourists want.
Chinese tourists love them a cable car.
They could likely do with some exercise more.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Kothos said:Not a REAL Liberal then.
As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Maybe they are thinking well if we can’t cut trees down, we have to cater to tree hugging tourists.
They simply have to be convinced that cable cars aren’t necessarily in line with what tourists want.
I was nearly run over by a giant fully-laden log truck today.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
Kothos said:Not a REAL Liberal then.
As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Maybe they are thinking well if we can’t cut trees down, we have to cater to tree hugging tourists.
They simply have to be convinced that cable cars aren’t necessarily in line with what tourists want.
They’ll want a footy ground, though, hey what but!
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Maybe they are thinking well if we can’t cut trees down, we have to cater to tree hugging tourists.
They simply have to be convinced that cable cars aren’t necessarily in line with what tourists want.
They’ll want a footy ground, though, hey what but!
They’ve already got more than one.
Bubblecar said:
Kothos said:
Bubblecar said:
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff, who leads the only remaining Liberal government in the country, said he would not follow his Liberal colleagues in rejecting the Voice.“I recognise and respect there are differing opinions I will campaign vigorously for a Yes vote as I passionately believe it is an important opportunity for all Australians to move forward in unity and understanding,” Mr Rockliff said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/noel-pearson-says-dutton-betrayed-country-in-rejecting-voice/102194904
Not a REAL Liberal then.
As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Are you jealous because cables are more popular than bubbles?
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:As sarahs mum says, Tas Liberals under the past couple leaders have shifted towards the centre on various issues.
Still obsessed with cable cars though.
Maybe they are thinking well if we can’t cut trees down, we have to cater to tree hugging tourists.
They simply have to be convinced that cable cars aren’t necessarily in line with what tourists want.
They’ll want a footy ground, though, hey what but!
They will steal some Labor votes for a footy ground.
This saddens me, despite his good innings.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/cartoonist-bruce-petty-dead-aged-93/102198758
Anne Twomey. Generally worth reading.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/how-does-the-liberal-party-voice-policy-stack-up-against-labor/102198090
buffy said:
Anne Twomey. Generally worth reading.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-06/how-does-the-liberal-party-voice-policy-stack-up-against-labor/102198090
In contrast, the Coalition proposes that constitutional recognition be split from practical outcomes. It would instead legislate to establish local and regional Voices, but not a national Voice.
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Does not wish to be constrained by ‘the voice’ but it is okay if some other type of govt, like a local council, is.
The oil and gas company says it is unaware how much gas was released when a pipeline in South Australia’s outback exploded in January. Meanwhile, Aboriginal traditional owners walk out of the company’s AGM in Adelaide.
Santos confirms gas pipeline explosion in SA, as anger erupts over gas projects at company AGM
For those who missed the 7:30 report.
Marcia Langton accuses Peter Dutton of ‘lying’ over Voice to Parliament
7.30
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By Sarah Ferguson and Marina Freri
sarahs mum said:
buffy said:
Anne Twomey. Generally worth reading.
In contrast, the Coalition proposes that constitutional recognition be split from practical outcomes. It would instead legislate to establish local and regional Voices, but not a national Voice.
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Does not wish to be constrained by ‘the voice’ but it is okay if some other type of govt, like a local council, is.
“In contrast, the Real Parents propose that Uncivilised Natives deserve token gestures but not effective representation. Like Children, they should be seen but not heard.”
Ah, but democracy is government of the people, by the people and…
… wait …
SCIENCE said:
Ah, but democracy is government of the people, by the people and…
… wait …
… no military industrial complex here¡
And here is Michelle Grattan on the Opposition’s opposition to The Voice.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-07/the-cost-of-liberal-peter-dutton-rejection-of-voice-referendum/102198938
It’s pretty hard for referenda to get up without bipartisan support.
If The Voice does pass despite the Coalition’s opposition, it will be an unforgettable monument to their irrelevance.
dv said:
It’s pretty hard for referenda to get up without bipartisan support.If The Voice does pass despite the Coalition’s opposition, it will be an unforgettable monument to their irrelevance.
They’ve had a taste with the by-election…
dv said:
It’s pretty hard for referenda to get up without bipartisan support.If The Voice does pass despite the Coalition’s opposition, it will be an unforgettable monument to their irrelevance.
Yes. quite so.
I am now voting yes, despite my own doubts, just to not be following them.
sarahs mum said:
I know not of either of these two personages.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
I know not of either of these two personages.
Caleb Bond seems to emulate his mentor Andrew Bolt in the entertainment pages we call the ‘Herald Sun’.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
I know not of either of these two personages.
Lots of tasmanians want her to run as a independent. She says she a liberal the way it should be and the other bastards in the party must change,
Caleb bond is murdoch commentator.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
I know not of either of these two personages.
bridget is a tasmanian liberal who has crossed the floor in the past. She says she will be voting for the voice.Lots of tasmanians want her to run as a independent. She says she a liberal the way it should be and the other bastards in the party must change,
Caleb bond is murdoch commentator.
OK. Thanks.
sarahs mum said:
If what I read of Mr Archer in the first few hits of a quick Binge is true, it’s quite possible he doesn’t even recognise the irony of his words.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:I know not of either of these two personages.
bridget is a tasmanian liberal who has crossed the floor in the past. She says she will be voting for the voice.Lots of tasmanians want her to run as a independent. She says she a liberal the way it should be and the other bastards in the party must change,
Caleb bond is murdoch commentator.
OK. Thanks.
i suppose what gets to me is that bridget actually has a spine.
In fact it would be smart to make her leader and let her lead the party back into power and the roll her one dark night.
sarahs mum said:
I’m not sure Ms Archer would listen to Mr Bond. It seems she is capable of making up her own mind.
SCIENCE said:
Fk Police State CHINA again, this wouldn’t have happened if they weren’t batman¡
(more in that other thread)
https://twitter.com/MurdochCadell/status/1643404386465624064
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
If what I read of Mr Archer in the first few hits of a quick Binge is true, it’s quite possible he doesn’t even recognise the irony of his words.
She’s got more spine than he has.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Fk Police State CHINA again, this wouldn’t have happened if they weren’t batman¡
(more in that other thread)
https://twitter.com/MurdochCadell/status/1643404386465624064
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
I know not of either of these two personages.
Bridget Archer is a federal Liberal Party MP. She was the only Lib to achieve a positive swing at the 2022 election.
Considered a moderate, she has crossed the floor (ie voted against the Libs’ party line) several times: on corruption: on corruption, on emissions, on discrimination, and on censuring Scott Morrison for his massively multiple ministerial game.
She has said she will actively campaign for the Yes case in the upcoming referendum.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
If what I read of Mr Archer in the first few hits of a quick Binge is true, it’s quite possible he doesn’t even recognise the irony of his words.
She’s got more spine than he has.
My point exactly :)
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/its-not-a-mystery-the-liberal-party-is-unelectable-because-it-sucks/
JudgeMental said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/its-not-a-mystery-the-liberal-party-is-unelectable-because-it-sucks/
This here, from wrong thread.
It really is quite simple: the Liberal Party is unelectable, not because of any unknowable mystery or demographic shift or quirk of the electorate, but because it fucking sucks and has fucking sucked uninterrupted for three decades now. In 2023, its remaining core beliefs deserve to be fringe. The decline is about what they stand for. It is not the party’s messaging that needs tinkering – its soul needs an exorcism.
Except it has been elected several times, in that 3e+1 years, wait.
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/lathams-allies-arent-upset-at-what-he-said-theyre-just-upset-with-how-he-said-it/
JudgeMental said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/its-not-a-mystery-the-liberal-party-is-unelectable-because-it-sucks/
nods.
JudgeMental said:
https://theshot.net.au/general-news/its-not-a-mystery-the-liberal-party-is-unelectable-because-it-sucks/
yep, excellent
Have we discussed that Ken Wyatt, former Indigenous Australians Minister in the Morrison govt, has resigned from the Liberal Party because of their stance on the Voice?
dv said:
Have we discussed that Ken Wyatt, former Indigenous Australians Minister in the Morrison govt, has resigned from the Liberal Party because of their stance on the Voice?
yeah we picked over it like a hungry person on a discarded chicken carcase.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Have we discussed that Ken Wyatt, former Indigenous Australians Minister in the Morrison govt, has resigned from the Liberal Party because of their stance on the Voice?
yeah we picked over it like a hungry person on a discarded chicken carcase.
So, over all the things he could have quit over, he chose this, after he is out of office. How noble of him ..
So what we’re saying is that ideology, dogma, and party politics are obsolete and in a pre-2020 enlightened world, informed reasoned decisions would have been a better way to run things¿
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Have we discussed that Ken Wyatt, former Indigenous Australians Minister in the Morrison govt, has resigned from the Liberal Party because of their stance on the Voice?
yeah we picked over it like a hungry person on a discarded chicken carcase.
So, over all the things he could have quit over, he chose this, after he is out of office. How noble of him ..
you are either one short of an ellipsis or one too many for a full point. Plus one extra of a space for either.
dv said:
There is so much nonsense being spoken about the 15 minute city idea. It is such a simple concept I don’t know why people are so confused about it.
party_pants said:
dv said:
There is so much nonsense being spoken about the 15 minute city idea.
Like what?
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
There is so much nonsense being spoken about the 15 minute city idea.
Like what?
some think it a government plot to restrict your movements. Keep you in enclaves where you’ll need a permit to travel etc.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
party_pants said:There is so much nonsense being spoken about the 15 minute city idea.
Like what?
some think it a government plot to restrict your movements. Keep you in enclaves where you’ll need a permit to travel etc.
it is kinda a follow on from the covid lockdown times.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
There is so much nonsense being spoken about the 15 minute city idea.
Like what?
Conspiracy type crap. That it is part of a green / leftist agenda to imprison people and restrict freedom of movement. That the people living in such a city will not be allowed to leave and that sort of thing. The city of Oxford in England announced plans to incorporate some 15 minute city principles in its new planning policy, they were accused of wanting to set up a surveillance state, keeping tabs on people’s movements to make sure they don’t ever go outside the area. Which is nonsense.
All it is really is about restricting the use of cars in some areas, closing some streets to motor vehicle traffic (except perhaps public transport) so that there is more space and safer space, for walking, cycling and scooting.
party_pants said:
dv said:
party_pants said:There is so much nonsense being spoken about the 15 minute city idea.
Like what?
Conspiracy type crap. That it is part of a green / leftist agenda to imprison people and restrict freedom of movement. That the people living in such a city will not be allowed to leave and that sort of thing. The city of Oxford in England announced plans to incorporate some 15 minute city principles in its new planning policy, they were accused of wanting to set up a surveillance state, keeping tabs on people’s movements to make sure they don’t ever go outside the area. Which is nonsense.
All it is really is about restricting the use of cars in some areas, closing some streets to motor vehicle traffic (except perhaps public transport) so that there is more space and safer space, for walking, cycling and scooting.
It would be terrible if it was part of a world domination plan to cut down on emissions and increase safety for pedestrians and children.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
dv said:Like what?
Conspiracy type crap. That it is part of a green / leftist agenda to imprison people and restrict freedom of movement. That the people living in such a city will not be allowed to leave and that sort of thing. The city of Oxford in England announced plans to incorporate some 15 minute city principles in its new planning policy, they were accused of wanting to set up a surveillance state, keeping tabs on people’s movements to make sure they don’t ever go outside the area. Which is nonsense.
All it is really is about restricting the use of cars in some areas, closing some streets to motor vehicle traffic (except perhaps public transport) so that there is more space and safer space, for walking, cycling and scooting.
It would be terrible if it was part of a world domination plan to cut down on emissions and increase safety for pedestrians and children.
Yes indeed. Although some people need that sort of domination before they will change their habits. Car ownership seems to be in the same group of “freedoms” owing a gun and not wearing a mask.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Conspiracy type crap. That it is part of a green / leftist agenda to imprison people and restrict freedom of movement. That the people living in such a city will not be allowed to leave and that sort of thing. The city of Oxford in England announced plans to incorporate some 15 minute city principles in its new planning policy, they were accused of wanting to set up a surveillance state, keeping tabs on people’s movements to make sure they don’t ever go outside the area. Which is nonsense.
All it is really is about restricting the use of cars in some areas, closing some streets to motor vehicle traffic (except perhaps public transport) so that there is more space and safer space, for walking, cycling and scooting.
It would be terrible if it was part of a world domination plan to cut down on emissions and increase safety for pedestrians and children.
Yes indeed. Although some people need that sort of domination before they will change their habits. Car ownership seems to be in the same group of “freedoms” owing a gun and not wearing a mask.
+as
Arts said:
party_pants said:
dv said:Like what?
Conspiracy type crap. That it is part of a green / leftist agenda to imprison people and restrict freedom of movement. That the people living in such a city will not be allowed to leave and that sort of thing. The city of Oxford in England announced plans to incorporate some 15 minute city principles in its new planning policy, they were accused of wanting to set up a surveillance state, keeping tabs on people’s movements to make sure they don’t ever go outside the area. Which is nonsense.
All it is really is about restricting the use of cars in some areas, closing some streets to motor vehicle traffic (except perhaps public transport) so that there is more space and safer space, for walking, cycling and scooting.
It would be terrible if it was part of a world domination plan to cut down on emissions and increase safety for pedestrians and children.
So let us get this straight, those whackjobs actually want to waste time travelling for more than 15 minutes to whatever it is they want to get to each time¿
SCIENCE said:
So let us get this straight, those whackjobs actually want to waste time travelling for more than 15 minutes to whatever it is they want to get to each time¿
it’s called FREEDOM!
The beginning of the Information Age is usually dated around 1950. I wonder when the Disinformation Age is considered to have begun.
dv said:
The beginning of the Information Age is usually dated around 1950. I wonder when the Disinformation Age is considered to have begun.
Y2K
dv said:
The beginning of the Information Age is usually dated around 1950. I wonder when the Disinformation Age is considered to have begun.
Fake news and alternative facts.
dv said:
The beginning of the Information Age is usually dated around 1950. I wonder when the Disinformation Age is considered to have begun.
There is no reliable information on that.
dv said:
The beginning of the Information Age is usually dated around 1950. I wonder when the Disinformation Age is considered to have begun.
Disinformation has always been around, ‘Protocols of Zion’, Theosophy, ‘Chariots of the Gods’. It’s just propagated quicker in the internet age.
Good point, you could time it from the invention of organised religion.
Speaking of private ICE vehicle dependency and all that, guess there can be big lobby groups behind dismissing good town planning as conspiracy¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-03/car-prices-set-to-accelerate-in-2023/101604542
https://premium.goauto.com.au/chinese-car-prices-plunge/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/07/price-petrol-cars-collapse/
Car prices are still set to accelerate in 2023, but then likely to shift into cruise control, industry expert says
Chinese car prices plunge
Petrol car prices are about to collapse
That or someone’s about to throw a heap of cash on a big takeover bid¡
The Economy Must Grow¡
dv said:
Never read the comments, dv
dv said:
dv said:
Never read the comments, dv
It’s an odd comment. There are many places in the world where population centres are compact and travelling times not great, and where people of quite modest means employ cleaners.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
dv said:
Never read the comments, dv
It’s an odd comment. There are many places in the world where population centres are compact and travelling times not great, and where people of quite modest means employ cleaners.
possibly a North American thing. Or even Australian thing. Anywhere that urban sprawl took off in the modern car dominant era.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Never read the comments, dv
It’s an odd comment. There are many places in the world where population centres are compact and travelling times not great, and where people of quite modest means employ cleaners.
possibly a North American thing. Or even Australian thing. Anywhere that urban sprawl took off in the modern car dominant era.
The user here is American.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:It’s an odd comment. There are many places in the world where population centres are compact and travelling times not great, and where people of quite modest means employ cleaners.
possibly a North American thing. Or even Australian thing. Anywhere that urban sprawl took off in the modern car dominant era.
The user here is American.
it is a comment that the hired help should live far away and not close to the more salubrious suburbs that the commentator believe they are entitled to.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
party_pants said:possibly a North American thing. Or even Australian thing. Anywhere that urban sprawl took off in the modern car dominant era.
The user here is American.
it is a comment that the hired help should live far away and not close to the more salubrious suburbs that the commentator believe they are entitled to.
In the old days, the help lived downstairs.
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:The user here is American.
it is a comment that the hired help should live far away and not close to the more salubrious suburbs that the commentator believe they are entitled to.
In the old days, the help lived downstairs.
Once upon a time there were cannibals Now there are no cannibals any more.
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:The user here is American.
it is a comment that the hired help should live far away and not close to the more salubrious suburbs that the commentator believe they are entitled to.
In the old days, the help lived downstairs.
Only member of my family currently employing a cleaning lady is my younger brother, and I think she lives just across the road from him.
And she very probably makes more money than he does :)
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:it is a comment that the hired help should live far away and not close to the more salubrious suburbs that the commentator believe they are entitled to.
In the old days, the help lived downstairs.
Once upon a time there were cannibals Now there are no cannibals any more.
I reckon there are still some…
Mind you I employ a gardener who is doubtless much wealthier than I.
But he works damn hard and does a fine job so I’m certainly not complaining.
Bubblecar said:
Mind you I employ a gardener who is doubtless much wealthier than I.But he works damn hard and does a fine job so I’m certainly not complaining.
Maybe the paradigm is obsolete?
Nowadays people employ the services contractors as they need, either on a set-interval repeat basis, or on an ad-hoc basis; on the understanding that the person has a list of other clients they also work for in between times. The idea that a cleaner or a gardener works for you and you alone is a bit obsolete, unless you have a huge house or estate.
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:
furious said:In the old days, the help lived downstairs.
Once upon a time there were cannibals Now there are no cannibals any more.
I reckon there are still some…
cannonballs?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Mind you I employ a gardener who is doubtless much wealthier than I.But he works damn hard and does a fine job so I’m certainly not complaining.
Maybe the paradigm is obsolete?
Nowadays people employ the services contractors as they need, either on a set-interval repeat basis, or on an ad-hoc basis; on the understanding that the person has a list of other clients they also work for in between times. The idea that a cleaner or a gardener works for you and you alone is a bit obsolete, unless you have a huge house or estate.
Was such a thing ever common in Australia?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Mind you I employ a gardener who is doubtless much wealthier than I.But he works damn hard and does a fine job so I’m certainly not complaining.
Maybe the paradigm is obsolete?
Nowadays people employ the services contractors as they need, either on a set-interval repeat basis, or on an ad-hoc basis; on the understanding that the person has a list of other clients they also work for in between times. The idea that a cleaner or a gardener works for you and you alone is a bit obsolete, unless you have a huge house or estate.
Doubtless that’s true for the vast majority of people so employed, and those who pay for their services.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Mind you I employ a gardener who is doubtless much wealthier than I.But he works damn hard and does a fine job so I’m certainly not complaining.
Maybe the paradigm is obsolete?
Nowadays people employ the services contractors as they need, either on a set-interval repeat basis, or on an ad-hoc basis; on the understanding that the person has a list of other clients they also work for in between times. The idea that a cleaner or a gardener works for you and you alone is a bit obsolete, unless you have a huge house or estate.
Was such a thing ever common in Australia?
aye, back in the days of charladies and the like.
dv said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Mind you I employ a gardener who is doubtless much wealthier than I.But he works damn hard and does a fine job so I’m certainly not complaining.
Maybe the paradigm is obsolete?
Nowadays people employ the services contractors as they need, either on a set-interval repeat basis, or on an ad-hoc basis; on the understanding that the person has a list of other clients they also work for in between times. The idea that a cleaner or a gardener works for you and you alone is a bit obsolete, unless you have a huge house or estate.
Was such a thing ever common in Australia?
Dunno, I’m not old enough. In my lifetime, no.
sarahs mum said:
furious said:
ChrispenEvan said:Once upon a time there were cannibals Now there are no cannibals any more.
I reckon there are still some…
cannonballs?
Funny you should mention that, I just got a message about the cannonball cup.
The good old days, when the cop cars were speed limited to 200kmh, and we laughed at them disappearing in the rear view mirror.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Maybe the paradigm is obsolete?
Nowadays people employ the services contractors as they need, either on a set-interval repeat basis, or on an ad-hoc basis; on the understanding that the person has a list of other clients they also work for in between times. The idea that a cleaner or a gardener works for you and you alone is a bit obsolete, unless you have a huge house or estate.
Was such a thing ever common in Australia?
aye, back in the days of charladies and the like.
Caught up with a friend of a friend a fortnight ago, and was reminded that she grew up in a household that actually had a full-time maid.
NATO calls Albanese to summit as China, Russia threaten global order
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/04/10/anthony-albanese-nato-russia-china-threat/
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has been invited to the next NATO summit amid fears of a “growing alignment” between China and Russia.
Australia is not a NATO member, but The Australian reports Mr Albanese has been called to the July 11-12 gathering in Lithuania.
He has been invited along with other non-NATO members in the Asia-Pacific — Japan, South Korea and New Zealand — as the alliance seeks to strengthen ties in the region.
dv said:
NATO calls Albanese to summit as China, Russia threaten global order
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/04/10/anthony-albanese-nato-russia-china-threat/
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has been invited to the next NATO summit amid fears of a “growing alignment” between China and Russia.
Australia is not a NATO member, but The Australian reports Mr Albanese has been called to the July 11-12 gathering in Lithuania.
He has been invited along with other non-NATO members in the Asia-Pacific — Japan, South Korea and New Zealand — as the alliance seeks to strengthen ties in the region.
No Beating Up Here
Mr Albanese attended last year’s NATO summit in Madrid.
Oh wait nah this must be big because they invited him this time, he must have rocked up uninvited last time¡
The Public Trustee seems to be out-of-control in several states.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-11/wa-public-trustee-identity-gag-laws-stop-people-speaking-out/102107868
Shadow Attorney-General Julian Leeser quits Liberal frontbench to support Voice to Parliament
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-11/liberal-frontbencher-julian-leeser-voice-to-parliament/102207614
Bubblecar said:
Shadow Attorney-General Julian Leeser quits Liberal frontbench to support Voice to Parliamenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-11/liberal-frontbencher-julian-leeser-voice-to-parliament/102207614
:)
Excellent news.
Bubblecar said:
Shadow Attorney-General Julian Leeser quits Liberal frontbench to support Voice to Parliamenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-11/liberal-frontbencher-julian-leeser-voice-to-parliament/102207614
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2018015/
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Shadow Attorney-General Julian Leeser quits Liberal frontbench to support Voice to Parliamenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-11/liberal-frontbencher-julian-leeser-voice-to-parliament/102207614
:)
Excellent news.
He’s our federal MP.
This is literally the first time I have heard of him doing anything worthy of praise.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Shadow Attorney-General Julian Leeser quits Liberal frontbench to support Voice to Parliamenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-11/liberal-frontbencher-julian-leeser-voice-to-parliament/102207614
:)
Excellent news.
He’s our federal MP.
This is literally the first time I have heard of him doing anything worthy of praise.
It’s the first time i’ve heard of him doing anything.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said::)
Excellent news.
He’s our federal MP.
This is literally the first time I have heard of him doing anything worthy of praise.
It’s the first time i’ve heard of him doing anything.
Well for a first action, he’s shown that he may be capable of others like this.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:He’s our federal MP.
This is literally the first time I have heard of him doing anything worthy of praise.
It’s the first time i’ve heard of him doing anything.
Well for a first action, he’s shown that he may be capable of others like this.
Looks like you’re gunna hafta vote for him then, hey what but.
Woodie said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:It’s the first time i’ve heard of him doing anything.
Well for a first action, he’s shown that he may be capable of others like this.
Looks like you’re gunna hafta vote for him then, hey what but.
He’s not my candidate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Shadow Attorney-General Julian Leeser quits Liberal frontbench to support Voice to Parliamenthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-11/liberal-frontbencher-julian-leeser-voice-to-parliament/102207614
:)
Excellent news.
He’s our federal MP.
This is literally the first time I have heard of him doing anything worthy of praise.
Never heard of them.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said::)
Excellent news.
He’s our federal MP.
This is literally the first time I have heard of him doing anything worthy of praise.
Never heard of them.
We both have, now.
Ian said:
coalitino
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to Parliament
roughbarked said:
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to Parliament
just so long as the worldists aren’t infiltrating the Māori Voice to Parliament, should all be sweet
roughbarked said:
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to Parliament
Don’t they have Treaty¿
That treaty (Te Tiriti) is the founding agreement between the British and Māori on which New Zealand has been built — something notably absent from the Australian context.
The agreement is nonetheless a contested one due to inconsistencies between the Māori and English versions of the text, and has at times been breached since it was signed in 1840.
Oh so we’ll need some of that.
The new Labor government has sacked the most senior bureaucrats in education, transport and treasury as part of a major revamp of the public service. Link
transition said:
roughbarked said:
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to Parliamentjust so long as the worldists aren’t infiltrating the Māori Voice to Parliament, should all be sweet
These worldists, who are they?
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to ParliamentDon’t they have Treaty¿
That treaty (Te Tiriti) is the founding agreement between the British and Māori on which New Zealand has been built — something notably absent from the Australian context.
The agreement is nonetheless a contested one due to inconsistencies between the Māori and English versions of the text, and has at times been breached since it was signed in 1840.
Oh so we’ll need some of that.
What we need to is petrol bomb the IPA.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to Parliamentjust so long as the worldists aren’t infiltrating the Māori Voice to Parliament, should all be sweet
These worldists, who are they?
well i’m one, you know, I have a vision of the entire globe, ideas about what might be uniformly good all over the planet, for everyone
transition said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:just so long as the worldists aren’t infiltrating the Māori Voice to Parliament, should all be sweet
These worldists, who are they?
well i’m one, you know, I have a vision of the entire globe, ideas about what might be uniformly good all over the planet, for everyone
So you’d refuse the Voice then?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to ParliamentDon’t they have Treaty¿
That treaty (Te Tiriti) is the founding agreement between the British and Māori on which New Zealand has been built — something notably absent from the Australian context.
The agreement is nonetheless a contested one due to inconsistencies between the Māori and English versions of the text, and has at times been breached since it was signed in 1840.
Oh so we’ll need some of that.
What we need to is petrol bomb the IPA.
Why not truth bomb, that’s something¿
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Don’t they have Treaty¿
That treaty (Te Tiriti) is the founding agreement between the British and Māori on which New Zealand has been built — something notably absent from the Australian context.
The agreement is nonetheless a contested one due to inconsistencies between the Māori and English versions of the text, and has at times been breached since it was signed in 1840.
Oh so we’ll need some of that.
What we need to is petrol bomb the IPA.
Why not truth bomb, that’s something¿
Petrol would show them the truth more quickly.
I grokked the scene in the movie, Bliss. Where Bettina gets the petrol company’s executives to attend a pitch session and blows them all to kingdom come.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
What we need to is petrol bomb the IPA.
Why not truth bomb, that’s something¿
Petrol would show them the truth more quickly.
I grokked the scene in the movie, Bliss. Where Bettina gets the petrol company’s executives to attend a pitch session and blows them all to kingdom come.
In the case of where you may never have read the book or indeed saw the movie. https://www.ozmovies.com.au/movie/bliss
roughbarked said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:These worldists, who are they?
well i’m one, you know, I have a vision of the entire globe, ideas about what might be uniformly good all over the planet, for everyone
So you’d refuse the Voice then?
how could I do that, even if I was inclined
transition said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:well i’m one, you know, I have a vision of the entire globe, ideas about what might be uniformly good all over the planet, for everyone
So you’d refuse the Voice then?
how could I do that, even if I was inclined
By believing Peter Dutton and voting No?
roughbarked said:
The farking IPA again.
From fact check:
This week, we tackle a claim made by conservative lobby group the Institute of Public Affairs that the New Zealand Parliament has become subservient to a Māori Voice to Parliament
News outlets need to start treating them like the fringe nutters they are
roughbarked said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:So you’d refuse the Voice then?
how could I do that, even if I was inclined
By believing Peter Dutton and voting No?
why would I need Dutton to form a view, not to be construed with agreeing with your further proposition, or invitation as it were
transition said:
roughbarked said:
transition said:how could I do that, even if I was inclined
By believing Peter Dutton and voting No?
why would I need Dutton to form a view, not to be construed with agreeing with your further proposition, or invitation as it were
:)
roughbarked said:
The new Labor government has sacked the most senior bureaucrats in education, transport and treasury as part of a major revamp of the public service. Link
So, good or bad¿
Fuck but also damn this never happened on DomPer’s watch¡
Police officers were called to the incident at McDonald’s in Queen Street about 5:30am today, after the man’s colleagues activated a duress alarm. The male paramedic was treated at the scene before being rushed to Liverpool Hospital, where he later died, police said. The paramedics were taking a break at the restaurant after working through the night, NSW Ambulance said.
SCIENCE said:
Fuck but also damn this never happened on DomPer’s watch¡
Police officers were called to the incident at McDonald’s in Queen Street about 5:30am today, after the man’s colleagues activated a duress alarm. The male paramedic was treated at the scene before being rushed to Liverpool Hospital, where he later died, police said. The paramedics were taking a break at the restaurant after working through the night, NSW Ambulance said.
wait so what happened? how did they get to the point of activating a duress alarm?
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
Fuck but also damn this never happened on DomPer’s watch¡
Police officers were called to the incident at McDonald’s in Queen Street about 5:30am today, after the man’s colleagues activated a duress alarm. The male paramedic was treated at the scene before being rushed to Liverpool Hospital, where he later died, police said. The paramedics were taking a break at the restaurant after working through the night, NSW Ambulance said.
wait so what happened? how did they get to the point of activating a duress alarm?
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
Fuck but also damn this never happened on DomPer’s watch¡
Police officers were called to the incident at McDonald’s in Queen Street about 5:30am today, after the man’s colleagues activated a duress alarm. The male paramedic was treated at the scene before being rushed to Liverpool Hospital, where he later died, police said. The paramedics were taking a break at the restaurant after working through the night, NSW Ambulance said.
wait so what happened? how did they get to the point of activating a duress alarm?
thanks
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:Arts said:
wait so what happened? how did they get to the point of activating a duress alarm?
thanks
brutal
Oh lovely.
I thought this shit only went on in Russia and North Korea.
Centrelink is asking police to trawl through clients’ metadata and in some circumstances crack their passwords to find out if they’re in a secret relationship.
Cheaper option: universal basic income.
Spiny Norman said:
Oh lovely.
I thought this shit only went on in Russia and North Korea.Centrelink is asking police to trawl through clients’ metadata and in some circumstances crack their passwords to find out if they’re in a secret relationship.
It’s a can of worms but if it were only used to confirm suspicions and follows due process like warrants etc I’m not really alarmed. It is investigating fraud after all. My greater concern would be that 160,000 people were investigated to save a measly $20m. That does sound like trawling data with little evidence of real criminality.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Oh lovely.
I thought this shit only went on in Russia and North Korea.Centrelink is asking police to trawl through clients’ metadata and in some circumstances crack their passwords to find out if they’re in a secret relationship.
It’s a can of worms but if it were only used to confirm suspicions and follows due process like warrants etc I’m not really alarmed. It is investigating fraud after all. My greater concern would be that 160,000 people were investigated to save a measly $20m. That does sound like trawling data with little evidence of real criminality.
It’s not very much per person, is it.
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Oh lovely.
I thought this shit only went on in Russia and North Korea.Centrelink is asking police to trawl through clients’ metadata and in some circumstances crack their passwords to find out if they’re in a secret relationship.
It’s a can of worms but if it were only used to confirm suspicions and follows due process like warrants etc I’m not really alarmed. It is investigating fraud after all. My greater concern would be that 160,000 people were investigated to save a measly $20m. That does sound like trawling data with little evidence of real criminality.
It’s not very much per person, is it.
Tamb said:
buffy said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It’s a can of worms but if it were only used to confirm suspicions and follows due process like warrants etc I’m not really alarmed. It is investigating fraud after all. My greater concern would be that 160,000 people were investigated to save a measly $20m. That does sound like trawling data with little evidence of real criminality.
It’s not very much per person, is it.
$1250 each.
$125 I think.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:
buffy said:It’s not very much per person, is it.
$1250 each.$125 I think.
Arts said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:thanks
brutal
Terrible thing
dv said:
Arts said:
Arts said:thanks
brutal
Terrible thing
Nasty.
Spiny Norman said:
Oh lovely.
I thought this shit only went on in Russia and North Korea.Centrelink is asking police to trawl through clients’ metadata and in some circumstances crack their passwords to find out if they’re in a secret relationship.
Apparently it goes on quite a bit in Austrakia, The sneaky relationship thing.
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:
$1250 each.
$125 I think.
Told you I was hopeless at maths.
But an excellent engineer.
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
$125 I think.
Told you I was hopeless at maths.
But an excellent engineer.
Yeah But The Whole Of The Mainland Is Laboring
Good stuff.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-14/voice-to-parliament-referendum-committee-inquiry/102222928
SCIENCE said:
Yeah But The Whole Of The Mainland Is Laboring
LOL
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Yeah But The Whole Of The Mainland Is Laboring
LOL
Hopefully not covid positivity
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Arts said:
brutal
Terrible thing
Nasty.
Fuck it’s even worse than mentioned earlier¡
“I had the privilege of meeting with his mother and father, his wife and sister, who, as you can imagine, are just beside themselves with this tragic loss,” Commissioner Morgan said. Already having one child, Mr Tougher was due to be a father-of-two, with his wife due to give birth to the pairs second child in just a few weeks.
Hmm
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
buffy said:
Hmmhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
He’s a strange man. I doubt he’s assisting in the popularity of the Liberals.
buffy said:
Hmmhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
“Professor Marcia Langton painted a grim picture of the relationship between governments and Indigenous people.
Langton witnessed the issues first hand when she was consulting around the country on the Indigenous Voice Co-Design report.
“Nobody in government speaks to them,” she told the committee.
“They fly in … and government bureaucrats say something to them or politicians say something to them and then they fly out and they never hear anything from them again.”
Well, the indigenous peoples are certainly not being treated any differently than the rest of us in that regard, at least.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Hmm
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
“Professor Marcia Langton painted a grim picture of the relationship between governments and Indigenous people.
Langton witnessed the issues first hand when she was consulting around the country on the Indigenous Voice Co-Design report.
“Nobody in government speaks to them,” she told the committee.
“They fly in … and government bureaucrats say something to them or politicians say something to them and then they fly out and they never hear anything from them again.”
Well, the indigenous peoples are certainly not being treated any differently than the rest of us in that regard, at least.
Yeah but the fact that our political class are arseholes must surely be the fault of Them Natives no question about it we can only blame Them Natives for everything ¡ This is all because of therm wanting a voice, if they weren’t so greedy and needy to insist on being heard, there wouldn’t be any problem ¡
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Hmm
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
“Professor Marcia Langton painted a grim picture of the relationship between governments and Indigenous people.
Langton witnessed the issues first hand when she was consulting around the country on the Indigenous Voice Co-Design report.
“Nobody in government speaks to them,” she told the committee.
“They fly in … and government bureaucrats say something to them or politicians say something to them and then they fly out and they never hear anything from them again.”
Well, the indigenous peoples are certainly not being treated any differently than the rest of us in that regard, at least.
Yeah but the fact that our political class are arseholes must surely be the fault of Them Natives no question about it we can only blame Them Natives for everything ¡ This is all because of therm wanting a voice, if they weren’t so greedy and needy to insist on being heard, there wouldn’t be any problem ¡
The problem will never go away with that political attitude.
Former Liberal MLC Catherine Cusack, who resigned from state parliament last year, has even suggested pay should be suspended until the party decides on a leader.
“Are the Liberal MPs on strike? If so pay should be suspended until they drag themselves back into parliament, meet and form an opposition,” she said.
buffy said:
Hmmhttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
children overboard.
Shame they never sent the army in on the Catholic church.
Peter Dutton’s comments in Alice Springs show why so many Indigenous communities don’t trust politicians
Speaking at the first hearing of the parliamentary inquiry into the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice on Friday, Professor Marcia Langton painted a grim picture of the relationship between governments and Indigenous people.
Langton witnessed the issues first hand when she was consulting around the country on the Indigenous Voice Co-Design report.
“Nobody in government speaks to them,” she told the committee.
“They fly in … and government bureaucrats say something to them or politicians say something to them and then they fly out and they never hear anything from them again.
“I overwhelmingly got the impression that all governments of Australia need to rebuild their trust with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people,” Langton said.
Next to Celtic-Warlpiri senator Jacinta Nampinjimpa Price in Alice Springs, Dutton declared once again that sexual abuse of Indigenous children in the region is rampant, making shocking claims that children are being returned to their abusers.
When asked to produce evidence backing his claims, he either wouldn’t or couldn’t.
When asked if he had spoken to Lhere Artepe Aboriginal Corporation, he said instead that he had spoken with businesses and shoppers in shopping centres.
His claims were immediately rebutted and called into question by the federal government, the NT government, and the peak body for Aboriginal and Islander Children, the Secretariat of Aboriginal and Islander Child Care (SNAICC).
SNAICC chief executive Catherine Liddle is an Arrente woman who has lived most of her life in Alice Springs.
She says she is “beyond frustrated” with the way Peter Dutton is inserting himself into a complex issue.
“Sexual abuse is a really serious crime which has a devastating impact on children and families and communities.
“This is not a political football. It should not be politicised like this for point scoring.
“What we definitively have not seen in the evidence and the data is an increase in child abuse or, in particular, in child sexual abuse. It is not reflected in any of the data sets,” Liddle said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
Demographic fine detail from Newspoll suggests a widening of the age divide and a surge for Labor in Victoria.
The Australian today brings the latest Newspoll state and demographic breakdowns, which accumulate results from the three Newspolls conducted since early February. This is the second such set of results since the election, the first accumulating results from July through to December last year. Labor’s headline lead on voting intention has been fairly consistent through both periods, but the breakdowns offer at least a suggestion of movement beneath the surface, most notably with respect to age: the latest results have Labor up five among the 18-to-34 cohort to 43%, but down four among 65-plus to 31%. It may also be noteworthy that the biggest change at state level is a gain by Labor at the Greens’ expense in Victoria, where the two parties are respectively up four to 41% and down two to 11%.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/04/15/newspoll-breakdowns-february-to-april/
This does present the Coalition’s problem starkly.
Every year, about 350000 Australians reach voting age and about 180000 (mainly elderly) Australians die.
dv said:
Demographic fine detail from Newspoll suggests a widening of the age divide and a surge for Labor in Victoria.
The Australian today brings the latest Newspoll state and demographic breakdowns, which accumulate results from the three Newspolls conducted since early February. This is the second such set of results since the election, the first accumulating results from July through to December last year. Labor’s headline lead on voting intention has been fairly consistent through both periods, but the breakdowns offer at least a suggestion of movement beneath the surface, most notably with respect to age: the latest results have Labor up five among the 18-to-34 cohort to 43%, but down four among 65-plus to 31%. It may also be noteworthy that the biggest change at state level is a gain by Labor at the Greens’ expense in Victoria, where the two parties are respectively up four to 41% and down two to 11%.
https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/04/15/newspoll-breakdowns-february-to-april/
This does present the Coalition’s problem starkly.
Every year, about 350000 Australians reach voting age and about 180000 (mainly elderly) Australians die.
Thankfully SARACAIDS-CoV could evolve to cause more severe disease and death in young people¡
Dutton, hey:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-16/claims-dutton-using-child-sexual-abuse-as-political-football/102218290
Michael V said:
Dutton, hey:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-16/claims-dutton-using-child-sexual-abuse-as-political-football/102218290
From my understanding there is a problem with sexual abuse, especially with girls and young women in some of the larger Aboriginal communities. You don’t want to get too precious with this sort of thing.
Michael V said:
Dutton, hey:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-16/claims-dutton-using-child-sexual-abuse-as-political-football/102218290
Claims?
It’s just a statement of fact isn’t it?
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
Dutton, hey:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-16/claims-dutton-using-child-sexual-abuse-as-political-football/102218290
From my understanding there is a problem with sexual abuse, especially with girls and young women in some of the larger Aboriginal communities. You don’t want to get too precious with this sort of thing.
They don’t send the army in on the Catholic church.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
Dutton, hey:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-16/claims-dutton-using-child-sexual-abuse-as-political-football/102218290
From my understanding there is a problem with sexual abuse, especially with girls and young women in some of the larger Aboriginal communities. You don’t want to get too precious with this sort of thing.
They don’t send the army in on the Catholic church.
That is not to say it doesn’t happen.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
Dutton, hey:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-16/claims-dutton-using-child-sexual-abuse-as-political-football/102218290
From my understanding there is a problem with sexual abuse, especially with girls and young women in some of the larger Aboriginal communities. You don’t want to get too precious with this sort of thing.
True enough but the evidence (presented in this piece) is that it is a diminishing rather than worsening problem.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
Dutton, hey:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-16/claims-dutton-using-child-sexual-abuse-as-political-football/102218290
From my understanding there is a problem with sexual abuse, especially with girls and young women in some of the larger Aboriginal communities. You don’t want to get too precious with this sort of thing.
True enough but the evidence (presented in this piece) is that it is a diminishing rather than worsening problem.
With kids running wild in many communities, I fail to see if much has changed at all let alone diminished. Abuse thrives on opportunity.
We watched Insiders this morning and a graph was put up about this. The problem with the graph was that it included all reported/confirmed instances of child abuse but didn’t break it down. So it included everything in one bar on the graph. If you listened carefully, sexual abuse was something like 3 cases in NT. I think. I don’t know how to find the graph to look more carefully at it.
What a champ.
Spiny Norman said:
What a champ.
Awful person.
Spiny Norman said:
What a champ.
You can take the mug lair copper out of Queensland, but you can’t take the mug lair copper out of Dutton.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
What a champ.
Awful person.
Winner of the bald headed fuck award
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
What a champ.
You can take the mug lair copper out of Queensland, but you can’t take the mug lair copper out of Dutton.
:)
Looked in the correct places, no corruption, no worries ¡
The anti-corruption commission has looked at a series of matters from some years ago, and have found no corrupt conduct.
This is the totally independent reserve bank we’re talking about right¿
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2023/04/20/rba-overhaul-spotlight/
Like, it’s totally independent after its been appointed right¿
The federal government ordered the RBA review in 2022.
We suppose you could call a bullet fired out of a gun “autonomous” as well.
ABC News:
Why would they expend the effort?
She’s doing a fine job of it all on her own.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
Why would they expend the effort?
She’s doing a fine job of it all on her own.
Sure but if your goal is to be an arsehole, and the Dear Leader is forcing you to apologise, is that not undermining¿
Police State Australia
Guardian Australia understands the threats were made last year and were reported to Queensland police at first. ACT policing began investigating, before passing the matter to NSW police and its counter-terrorism squad. The man, David William Wonnocott, 49, was arrested by counter-terrorism detectives at Tweed Heads police station at 10am on Wednesday. They have served him with a firearm ban and searched his vehicle and home at Banora Point. He has been bailed and will appear at Tweed Heads local court next month. “There is no current or impending threat to the community as a result of this operational activity,” police said.
SCIENCE said:
Police State Australia
Guardian Australia understands the threats were made last year and were reported to Queensland police at first. ACT policing began investigating, before passing the matter to NSW police and its counter-terrorism squad. The man, David William Wonnocott, 49, was arrested by counter-terrorism detectives at Tweed Heads police station at 10am on Wednesday. They have served him with a firearm ban and searched his vehicle and home at Banora Point. He has been bailed and will appear at Tweed Heads local court next month. “There is no current or impending threat to the community as a result of this operational activity,” police said.
Aside from threatening people…
Interesting strategy.
>>Some of the changes will require legislation, for which Chalmers has been very anxious to get a bipartisan approach. He doesn’t want to have to haggle with the Senate crossbenchers, cutting deals and finding trade-offs, in this sensitive area.
So he has engaged the shadow treasurer, Angus Taylor, during the review process. Taylor has been briefed along the way and was given an advance copy of the report.
The strategy appears to have paid off. Taylor was positive about the review’s plan for a board of experts, and said: “It is the Coalition’s intention to continue to approach the implementation of this review with a spirit of bipartisanship.”
It’s a rare and welcome move away from the opposition’s usual hyper-negativity.<<
From Michelle Grattan
The NSW Legislative Council election results have been finalised.
Animal Justice got narrowly pipped by the Libs for the last seat.
Legalise Cannabis got a seat, though. They now have representatives in three state parliaments.
The NSW LC now stands as
ALP 15
LIB 15
GREEN 4
One Nation 3
Shooters 2
Cannabis 1
LDP 1
Animal Justice 1
This is basically a 21-21 split between left and right.
dv said:
The NSW Legislative Council election results have been finalised.Animal Justice got narrowly pipped by the Libs for the last seat.
Legalise Cannabis got a seat, though. They now have representatives in three state parliaments.
The NSW LC now stands as
ALP 15
LIB 15
GREEN 4
One Nation 3
Shooters 2
Cannabis 1
LDP 1
Animal Justice 1This is basically a 21-21 split between left and right.
The smokers party.
buffy said:
Interesting strategy.>>Some of the changes will require legislation, for which Chalmers has been very anxious to get a bipartisan approach. He doesn’t want to have to haggle with the Senate crossbenchers, cutting deals and finding trade-offs, in this sensitive area.
So he has engaged the shadow treasurer, Angus Taylor, during the review process. Taylor has been briefed along the way and was given an advance copy of the report.
The strategy appears to have paid off. Taylor was positive about the review’s plan for a board of experts, and said: “It is the Coalition’s intention to continue to approach the implementation of this review with a spirit of bipartisanship.”
It’s a rare and welcome move away from the opposition’s usual hyper-negativity.<<
From Michelle Grattan
From just that extract, it appears that the review is unlikely to worry the big end of town too much then.
Only just heard Father Bob died, that’s not much good.
dv said:
Only just heard Father Bob died, that’s not much good.
He was one of the Good Guys.
dv said:
Only just heard Father Bob died, that’s not much good.
He had a good run though. A fairly long innings.
Lachlan Murdoch drops defamation proceedings against Crikey
https://www.theage.com.au/national/lachlan-murdoch-drops-defamation-proceedings-against-crikey-20230421-p5d28q.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Lachlan Murdoch drops defamation proceedings against Crikeyhttps://www.theage.com.au/national/lachlan-murdoch-drops-defamation-proceedings-against-crikey-20230421-p5d28q.html
This is a super interesting case because what Crikey did was essentially accuse Fox of deliberately and knowingly supporting and inciting the Jan 6 insurrection. Which on face value would probably be a really hard thing to prove, but yeah… wow
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?
…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40am
The Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
The Bene Gesserit might be able to
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
So the Voice is only for indigenous people no one else.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
Why are you saying thankfully ?
Do you oppose human rights ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
The Voice can’t do anything other than offer its opinion. Like all Parliamentary Committees, Royal Commissions or White Papers, the Government can choose to either accept and enact their recommendations, reject them or even accept some and reject others.
Claim that not following the recommendations made by The Voice will end in litigation are, IMO, totally overegged. Similar claims were made about the national apology that was made to the stolen generation and nothing eventuated.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
So the Voice is only for indigenous people no one else.
White people have been well represented in national decision making processes for quite some time.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
My sisters husbands mother is an Aboriginal woman who worked for a short time for the WA Government as some sort of official representative of the Aboriginal people. She quit after a few months because she said no-one was interested in listening to anything she had to say. She was literally just a token black-fella kept around so WAGov could virtue signal inclusiveness.
I’d wager “The Voice” will be more of the same.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
So the Voice is only for indigenous people no one else.
No, it’s not.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
So the Voice is only for indigenous people no one else.
No, it’s not.
Who can use it then ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:So the Voice is only for indigenous people no one else.
No, it’s not.
Who can use it then ?
I don’t understand the question.
Any recommendation made by The Voice that is enacted by the Australian Government will be pertinent to all Australians.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Can people use the voice to legalise cannabis everywhere ?
Because some state laws concerning cannabis are violating peoples medical rights.
Can the voice be used to legalise all the UN charter on human rights and place it in the Australian constitution..
When are they going to get around to legalise all human rights properly ?
Using the Voice ?
Never ?
Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
Why are you saying thankfully ?
Do you oppose human rights ?
Thankfully because the voice as depicted will not suffer accusations of overreach and thus more likely get up.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:No, it’s not.
Who can use it then ?
I don’t understand the question.
Any recommendation made by The Voice that is enacted by the Australian Government will be pertinent to all Australians.
Can white people use the voice ?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
Why are you saying thankfully ?
Do you oppose human rights ?
Thankfully because the voice as depicted will not suffer accusations of overreach and thus more likely get up.
I think the voice should be created for everyone.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fears that the voice would advocate around issues not directly related to indigenous welfare is the main claim of those who oppose it. So thankfully the answer to your question is.no.
Why are you saying thankfully ?
Do you oppose human rights ?
Thankfully because the voice as depicted will not suffer accusations of overreach and thus more likely get up.
And you haven’t answered my questions.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Who can use it then ?
I don’t understand the question.
Any recommendation made by The Voice that is enacted by the Australian Government will be pertinent to all Australians.
Can white people use the voice ?
what do you mean – “use The Voice” how?
it’s an advisory committee to Government
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Why are you saying thankfully ?
Do you oppose human rights ?
Thankfully because the voice as depicted will not suffer accusations of overreach and thus more likely get up.
I think the voice should be created for everyone.
You don’t seem to understand what the voice is for.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Who can use it then ?
I don’t understand the question.
Any recommendation made by The Voice that is enacted by the Australian Government will be pertinent to all Australians.
Can white people use the voice ?
Please do me a favour and explain your understanding of what the The Voice is.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Why are you saying thankfully ?
Do you oppose human rights ?
Thankfully because the voice as depicted will not suffer accusations of overreach and thus more likely get up.
And you haven’t answered my questions.
Of course I don’t oppose human rights.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t understand the question.
Any recommendation made by The Voice that is enacted by the Australian Government will be pertinent to all Australians.
Can white people use the voice ?
what do you mean – “use The Voice” how?
it’s an advisory committee to Government
The voice is a committee.
Seems we are on a useless train ride.
I will get off here, pulls emergency stop.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Thankfully because the voice as depicted will not suffer accusations of overreach and thus more likely get up.
I think the voice should be created for everyone.
You don’t seem to understand what the voice is for.
For a committee is seems.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t understand the question.
Any recommendation made by The Voice that is enacted by the Australian Government will be pertinent to all Australians.
Can white people use the voice ?
Please do me a favour and explain your understanding of what the The Voice is.
A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Can white people use the voice ?
Please do me a favour and explain your understanding of what the The Voice is.
A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
Aboriginal deaths in custody might be something they can discuss.
Will they discuss that ?
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t understand the question.
Any recommendation made by The Voice that is enacted by the Australian Government will be pertinent to all Australians.
Can white people use the voice ?
Please do me a favour and explain your understanding of what the The Voice is.
Well I read stuff on it
but people seem to have different ideas on what it is.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Can white people use the voice ?
what do you mean – “use The Voice” how?
it’s an advisory committee to Government
The voice is a committee.
Seems we are on a useless train ride.
I will get off here, pulls emergency stop.
Yes, it’s a committee that will provides advice on the effects that particular legislation will have, specifically, on first nations people here in Australia. It will provide recommendations to government on how to amend legislation so that it doesn’t negatively affect Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people, or even better, how changes to legislation could positively impact the lives of these people.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:what do you mean – “use The Voice” how?
it’s an advisory committee to Government
The voice is a committee.
Seems we are on a useless train ride.
I will get off here, pulls emergency stop.
Yes, it’s a committee that will provides advice on the effects that particular legislation will have, specifically, on first nations people here in Australia. It will provide recommendations to government on how to amend legislation so that it doesn’t negatively affect Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people, or even better, how changes to legislation could positively impact the lives of these people.
ok, its another committee .
well we don’t need a referendum for that.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Can white people use the voice ?
Please do me a favour and explain your understanding of what the The Voice is.
A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
The composition of the committee is not the current question at hand. The referendum is just “do you think we should have a advisory committee that looks at indigenous issues and should this body be enshrined in the Constitution of Australia”, that’s it.. nothing more, nothing less…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:Please do me a favour and explain your understanding of what the The Voice is.
A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
Aboriginal deaths in custody might be something they can discuss.
Will they discuss that ?
It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The voice is a committee.
Seems we are on a useless train ride.
I will get off here, pulls emergency stop.
Yes, it’s a committee that will provides advice on the effects that particular legislation will have, specifically, on first nations people here in Australia. It will provide recommendations to government on how to amend legislation so that it doesn’t negatively affect Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people, or even better, how changes to legislation could positively impact the lives of these people.
ok, its another committee .
well we don’t need a referendum for that.
no, we don’t need a referendum for that, the reason we are having a referendum is so that the existence of The Voice, can be enshrined in the Constitution. IMO, the reason this is an important step is because previous committee that were set up to do the same thing have been abolished by the Government of the day (ATSIC is the classic example). If the existence of The Voice is a constitutional requirement, no one government can abolish it.
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
Aboriginal deaths in custody might be something they can discuss.
Will they discuss that ?
It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
There’s also a disproportion number of men in custody compared to women, I think there should be some affirmative action to try and level that up.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:Please do me a favour and explain your understanding of what the The Voice is.
A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
The composition of the committee is not the current question at hand. The referendum is just “do you think we should have a advisory committee that looks at indigenous issues and should this body be enshrined in the Constitution of Australia”, that’s it.. nothing more, nothing less…
They set up committees all the time.
What is so special about another one ?
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
Aboriginal deaths in custody might be something they can discuss.
Will they discuss that ?
It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
ok, I understand that.
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Aboriginal deaths in custody might be something they can discuss.
Will they discuss that ?
It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
There’s also a disproportion number of men in custody compared to women, I think there should be some affirmative action to try and level that up.
are you suggesting we need a plan to encourage more woman to commit more violent crimes?
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:Yes, it’s a committee that will provides advice on the effects that particular legislation will have, specifically, on first nations people here in Australia. It will provide recommendations to government on how to amend legislation so that it doesn’t negatively affect Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander people, or even better, how changes to legislation could positively impact the lives of these people.
ok, its another committee .
well we don’t need a referendum for that.
no, we don’t need a referendum for that, the reason we are having a referendum is so that the existence of The Voice, can be enshrined in the Constitution. IMO, the reason this is an important step is because previous committee that were set up to do the same thing have been abolished by the Government of the day (ATSIC is the classic example). If the existence of The Voice is a constitutional requirement, no one government can abolish it.
ok, I get that as well.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
The composition of the committee is not the current question at hand. The referendum is just “do you think we should have a advisory committee that looks at indigenous issues and should this body be enshrined in the Constitution of Australia”, that’s it.. nothing more, nothing less…
They set up committees all the time.
What is so special about another one ?
because of the want to put the presence of the Indigenous advisory information into the constitution.. if it becomes a constitutional law, then the next Government, and no future government, can abolish the action.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
The composition of the committee is not the current question at hand. The referendum is just “do you think we should have a advisory committee that looks at indigenous issues and should this body be enshrined in the Constitution of Australia”, that’s it.. nothing more, nothing less…
They set up committees all the time.
What is so special about another one ?
as I said, what makes The Voice special is that its existence would be enshrined in the Constitution. It would essentially become a part of the formal working of government in Australia.
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A committee to government,
So how can a referendum decide who is on the committee?
and what will they discuss?
Aboriginal deaths in custody might be something they can discuss.
Will they discuss that ?
It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
Wasn’t Aboriginal deaths in custody originally to investigate “suicides” they may have been racially motivated murder by the police/prison officers and made to look like a suicide.
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
There’s also a disproportion number of men in custody compared to women, I think there should be some affirmative action to try and level that up.
are you suggesting we need a plan to encourage more woman to commit more violent crimes?
the middle class white male is trying their hardest already
Cymek said:
esselte said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Aboriginal deaths in custody might be something they can discuss.
Will they discuss that ?
It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
Wasn’t Aboriginal deaths in custody originally to investigate “suicides” they may have been racially motivated murder by the police/prison officers and made to look like a suicide.
any deaths in custody is investigated, because the state have responsibility over the health and wellbeing of the incarnated population.
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:The composition of the committee is not the current question at hand. The referendum is just “do you think we should have a advisory committee that looks at indigenous issues and should this body be enshrined in the Constitution of Australia”, that’s it.. nothing more, nothing less…
They set up committees all the time.
What is so special about another one ?
because of the want to put the presence of the Indigenous advisory information into the constitution.. if it becomes a constitutional law, then the next Government, and no future government, can abolish the action.
ok, so its more of a permanent committee that advises.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Arts said:
Tau.Neutrino said:They set up committees all the time.
What is so special about another one ?
because of the want to put the presence of the Indigenous advisory information into the constitution.. if it becomes a constitutional law, then the next Government, and no future government, can abolish the action.
ok, so its more of a permanent committee that advises.
Enshrined in the constitution.
ok.
Wait When ¿ Did Tau.Neutrino Become A Paid Russian Troll
This conversation, while important to have, make me very worried for “Yes” vote. If there are people here, people that are generally intelligent and curious about learning stuff and they don’t understand what The Voice is or what it will do, then there will be a lot of people out there in the big wide world that are even less informed.
Couple that with a low personal connection to indigenous issues, that is many people don’t have direct personal relationship with a AoTSI person, and I really fear this vote won’t get over the line.
Well I wish we could have a referendum to enshrine the UN charter on human rights…
What would change ?
SCIENCE said:
Wait When ¿ Did Tau.Neutrino Become A Paid Russian Troll
I had troubles understanding it.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:There’s also a disproportion number of men in custody compared to women, I think there should be some affirmative action to try and level that up.
are you suggesting we need a plan to encourage more woman to commit more violent crimes?
the middle class white male is trying their hardest already
Luckily, I am Top Notch class, so you can’t blame me.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:There’s also a disproportion number of men in custody compared to women, I think there should be some affirmative action to try and level that up.
are you suggesting we need a plan to encourage more woman to commit more violent crimes?
the middle class white male is trying their hardest already
Come on Arts, you even know how to get away with it…
SCIENCE said:
Wait When ¿ Did Tau.Neutrino Become A Paid Russian Troll
if Tau is genuinely seeking knowledge it’s a good thing there are people here to patiently explain…
diddly-squat said:
This conversation, while important to have, make me very worried for “Yes” vote. If there are people here, people that are generally intelligent and curious about learning stuff and they don’t understand what The Voice is or what it will do, then there will be a lot of people out there in the big wide world that are even less informed.
Couple that with a low personal connection to indigenous issues, that is many people don’t have direct personal relationship with a AoTSI person, and I really fear this vote won’t get over the line.
Agree, I had troubles understanding it
Having important committees that exist then don’t exist is a problem.
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
Wait When ¿ Did Tau.Neutrino Become A Paid Russian Troll
if Tau is genuinely seeking knowledge it’s a good thing there are people here to patiently explain…
^this
SCIENCE said:
Wait When ¿ Did Tau.Neutrino Become A Paid Russian Troll
I noticed when he signed off
Das ve Dania Comrades
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
Wait When ¿ Did Tau.Neutrino Become A Paid Russian Troll
if Tau is genuinely seeking knowledge it’s a good thing there are people here to patiently explain…
In trying to understand it, not troll it.
Although my approach to it resulted in a crash landing.
sorry about that.
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:This conversation, while important to have, make me very worried for “Yes” vote. If there are people here, people that are generally intelligent and curious about learning stuff and they don’t understand what The Voice is or what it will do, then there will be a lot of people out there in the big wide world that are even less informed.
Couple that with a low personal connection to indigenous issues, that is many people don’t have direct personal relationship with a AoTSI person, and I really fear this vote won’t get over the line.
Agree, I had troubles understanding it
Having important committees that exist then don’t exist is a problem.
meanwhile the tag lines of the no vote are “It’s not my voice” and “If you don’t know, vote no”
diddly-squat said:
This conversation, while important to have, make me very worried for “Yes” vote. If there are people here, people that are generally intelligent and curious about learning stuff and they don’t understand what The Voice is or what it will do, then there will be a lot of people out there in the big wide world that are even less informed.
Couple that with a low personal connection to indigenous issues, that is many people don’t have direct personal relationship with a AoTSI person, and I really fear this vote won’t get over the line.
In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:This conversation, while important to have, make me very worried for “Yes” vote. If there are people here, people that are generally intelligent and curious about learning stuff and they don’t understand what The Voice is or what it will do, then there will be a lot of people out there in the big wide world that are even less informed.
Couple that with a low personal connection to indigenous issues, that is many people don’t have direct personal relationship with a AoTSI person, and I really fear this vote won’t get over the line.
In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:This conversation, while important to have, make me very worried for “Yes” vote. If there are people here, people that are generally intelligent and curious about learning stuff and they don’t understand what The Voice is or what it will do, then there will be a lot of people out there in the big wide world that are even less informed.
Couple that with a low personal connection to indigenous issues, that is many people don’t have direct personal relationship with a AoTSI person, and I really fear this vote won’t get over the line.
In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
I assumed most people would have no problem with it and vote yes perhaps that’s not the case
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:This conversation, while important to have, make me very worried for “Yes” vote. If there are people here, people that are generally intelligent and curious about learning stuff and they don’t understand what The Voice is or what it will do, then there will be a lot of people out there in the big wide world that are even less informed.
Couple that with a low personal connection to indigenous issues, that is many people don’t have direct personal relationship with a AoTSI person, and I really fear this vote won’t get over the line.
In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
on the other hand the low personal connection could help, given the way many people (societally) viewed indigenous populations in the past based on one, or a few negative experiences, may have shown an unhealthy swing… at least with no connection there might be an air of ‘let them have their say’. over ‘no the bastards… etc’.
I notice that the local police Facebook pages are showing a lot more caucasian offenders than they used to… I don’t think that’s accidental.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
on the other hand the low personal connection could help, given the way many people (societally) viewed indigenous populations in the past based on one, or a few negative experiences, may have shown an unhealthy swing… at least with no connection there might be an air of ‘let them have their say’. over ‘no the bastards… etc’.
I notice that the local police Facebook pages are showing a lot more caucasian offenders than they used to… I don’t think that’s accidental.
To help catch them ?
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
I assumed most people would have no problem with it and vote yes perhaps that’s not the case
I don’t think that is the default at all.
I think all the players in the Voice debate are happy to see first nation people recognized in the constitution, that would be a positive step.
However The Voice sounds like a slick marketing exercise, an ATSIC that can’t be shut down when it goes feral.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
I assumed most people would have no problem with it and vote yes perhaps that’s not the case
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:In my volunteer work we have a number of elderly individuals who worry me about their view of this. You cannot help who people listen to to get information from, but we also must take into account that their lived experiences are vastly different. I guess, as advocators (which I am and I assume you are) we can only patiently explain a viewpoint they may not experience in their lives outside of contact with me (us).
It’s similar to how children see each other from a body positive perspective now.. growing up for me was always image negative for anyone outside of no body fat, good shape ideals.. (thanks the 1980’s) ‘healthy’ meant in physical form only.. these days the kids are much more in tune with what ‘healthy’ means and it includes mental health and image positivity as well.. so no more shaming people for being outside of BMI enforced standards.. their lived experiences are different..
and
change is hard for a lot of people.
yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
on the other hand the low personal connection could help, given the way many people (societally) viewed indigenous populations in the past based on one, or a few negative experiences, may have shown an unhealthy swing… at least with no connection there might be an air of ‘let them have their say’. over ‘no the bastards… etc’.
I notice that the local police Facebook pages are showing a lot more caucasian offenders than they used to… I don’t think that’s accidental.
That would be great, but I think people are mostly motivated by personal issues. With the SSM plebiscite, it was, Cousin Greg is a cool guy and he and Steve seem really happy and they should be able to get married just like anyone else. That is, they see a direct benefit to the change in their own life.
Peak Warming Man said:
I think all the players in the Voice debate are happy to see first nation people recognized in the constitution, that would be a positive step.
However The Voice sounds like a slick marketing exercise, an ATSIC that can’t be shut down when it goes feral.
yawn
Cymek said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
on the other hand the low personal connection could help, given the way many people (societally) viewed indigenous populations in the past based on one, or a few negative experiences, may have shown an unhealthy swing… at least with no connection there might be an air of ‘let them have their say’. over ‘no the bastards… etc’.
I notice that the local police Facebook pages are showing a lot more caucasian offenders than they used to… I don’t think that’s accidental.
To help catch them ?
yes, you know when they put up pictures of people and they say “Help be an internet sleuth”. (which I hate they frame it that way, but it seems to be a strategy because it occurs on a lot of jurisdictional police pages)
Peak Warming Man said:
I think all the players in the Voice debate are happy to see first nation people recognized in the constitution, that would be a positive step.
However The Voice sounds like a slick marketing exercise, an ATSIC that can’t be shut down when it goes feral.
It can still be disbanded, but must be replaced with something.
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:yep.. I agree completely… I was in a meeting the other day and of the guys was saying “I feel really sorry for kids these days with all the ‘gender pronoun’ stuff” My comment was, “don’t worry about the kids, they have it sorted, it’s us that are the problem”
But the low personal connection thing really does worry me. In the case of the same sex marriage plebiscite a lot of people had a direct personal connection to a person that is gay, the same just can’t be said with the current referendum.
I assumed most people would have no problem with it and vote yes perhaps that’s not the case
My problem is that some influencers are calling for the Voice committee to have more power to ensure that its recommendations are adopted.
I have not seen anyone suggest that.
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:I assumed most people would have no problem with it and vote yes perhaps that’s not the case
My problem is that some influencers are calling for the Voice committee to have more power to ensure that its recommendations are adopted.I have not seen anyone suggest that.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I think all the players in the Voice debate are happy to see first nation people recognized in the constitution, that would be a positive step.
However The Voice sounds like a slick marketing exercise, an ATSIC that can’t be shut down when it goes feral.
It can still be disbanded, but must be replaced with something.
No, it can’t be disbanded. The existence of “The Voice” would be a fundamental constitutional requirement of government. Just like how Parliament is a fundamental requirement.
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:My problem is that some influencers are calling for the Voice committee to have more power to ensure that its recommendations are adopted.
I have not seen anyone suggest that.
It was all over the net and then, suddenly, it was no longer on air.
can you show me a reference? I’d be interested to see it.
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:I assumed most people would have no problem with it and vote yes perhaps that’s not the case
My problem is that some influencers are calling for the Voice committee to have more power to ensure that its recommendations are adopted.I have not seen anyone suggest that.
and there it is… that’s what the listeners of certain media are saying as an opposition… I have heard people say what Tamb just said.. one guess what population group it’s coming from.
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:I have not seen anyone suggest that.
It was all over the net and then, suddenly, it was no longer on air.can you show me a reference? I’d be interested to see it.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Tamb said:My problem is that some influencers are calling for the Voice committee to have more power to ensure that its recommendations are adopted.
I have not seen anyone suggest that.
and there it is… that’s what the listeners of certain media are saying as an opposition… I have heard people say what Tamb just said.. one guess what population group it’s coming from.
The latest case against Fox in the US, the Dominion one, I think will have a big impact on how some media outlets cover these sorts of matters and what they present as “fact”. At least I hope it does.
And for a tangent, just put into JustIn.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-21/central-land-council-condemns-jacinta-price-in-joint-statement/102250660
buffy said:
And for a tangent, just put into JustIn.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-21/central-land-council-condemns-jacinta-price-in-joint-statement/102250660
I do wonder if there are some prominent Indigenous persons who are worried that the existence of the The Voice will mean that for the first time in a long time there will be a voice in the room that will be louder than their own.
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:I have not seen anyone suggest that.
and there it is… that’s what the listeners of certain media are saying as an opposition… I have heard people say what Tamb just said.. one guess what population group it’s coming from.
The latest case against Fox in the US, the Dominion one, I think will have a big impact on how some media outlets cover these sorts of matters and what they present as “fact”. At least I hope it does.
I hope Fox gets a big kick up the backside.
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:
And for a tangent, just put into JustIn.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-21/central-land-council-condemns-jacinta-price-in-joint-statement/102250660
I do wonder if there are some prominent Indigenous persons who are worried that the existence of the The Voice will mean that for the first time in a long time there will be a voice in the room that will be louder than their own.
How do aboriginals get their concerns to the Voice committee ?
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:
And for a tangent, just put into JustIn.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-21/central-land-council-condemns-jacinta-price-in-joint-statement/102250660
I do wonder if there are some prominent Indigenous persons who are worried that the existence of the The Voice will mean that for the first time in a long time there will be a voice in the room that will be louder than their own.
How do aboriginals get their concerns to the Voice committee ?
Exactly how The Voice functions is yet to be determined.
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:I do wonder if there are some prominent Indigenous persons who are worried that the existence of the The Voice will mean that for the first time in a long time there will be a voice in the room that will be louder than their own.
How do aboriginals get their concerns to the Voice committee ?
Exactly how The Voice functions is yet to be determined.
ok.
Ah well STEMocracy would have solved all these problems.
SCIENCE said:
Ah well STEMocracy would have solved all these problems.
Validated facts are better than unvalidated opinions.
buffy said:
And for a tangent, just put into JustIn.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-21/central-land-council-condemns-jacinta-price-in-joint-statement/102250660
There’s been a few! One was very well done!
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
diddly-squat said:I do wonder if there are some prominent Indigenous persons who are worried that the existence of the The Voice will mean that for the first time in a long time there will be a voice in the room that will be louder than their own.
How do aboriginals get their concerns to the Voice committee ?
Exactly how The Voice functions is yet to be determined.
from what I can understand, while the nuances are not yet worked out.. it’s a representation of the indigenous culture as it pertains to the Australian legal system. Therefore, it is allowing for the input and consideration of the impacts of the introduction of laws on indigenous populations. This has not happened in the past and many laws impact indigenous populations disproportionately due to the cultural and social differences.
I have a feeling that it will allow allow for a pathway to tribal laws being taken more seriously in place of, rather than as well as, federal and state laws – but that’s just speculation.
I think at this stage it is a recognition of the disproportionality in impact of caucasian culture to indigenous populations
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:How do aboriginals get their concerns to the Voice committee ?
Exactly how The Voice functions is yet to be determined.
from what I can understand, while the nuances are not yet worked out.. it’s a representation of the indigenous culture as it pertains to the Australian legal system. Therefore, it is allowing for the input and consideration of the impacts of the introduction of laws on indigenous populations. This has not happened in the past and many laws impact indigenous populations disproportionately due to the cultural and social differences.
I have a feeling that it will allow allow for a pathway to tribal laws being taken more seriously in place of, rather than as well as, federal and state laws – but that’s just speculation.I think at this stage it is a recognition of the disproportionality in impact of caucasian culture to indigenous populations
Those rogue juveniles won’t be so smart and lippy with a spear stuck in their leg.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:How do aboriginals get their concerns to the Voice committee ?
Exactly how The Voice functions is yet to be determined.
from what I can understand, while the nuances are not yet worked out.. it’s a representation of the indigenous culture as it pertains to the Australian legal system. Therefore, it is allowing for the input and consideration of the impacts of the introduction of laws on indigenous populations. This has not happened in the past and many laws impact indigenous populations disproportionately due to the cultural and social differences.
I have a feeling that it will allow allow for a pathway to tribal laws being taken more seriously in place of, rather than as well as, federal and state laws – but that’s just speculation.I think at this stage it is a recognition of the disproportionality in impact of caucasian culture to indigenous populations
Yes, that’s something to consider.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:How do aboriginals get their concerns to the Voice committee ?
Exactly how The Voice functions is yet to be determined.
from what I can understand, while the nuances are not yet worked out.. it’s a representation of the indigenous culture as it pertains to the Australian legal system. Therefore, it is allowing for the input and consideration of the impacts of the introduction of laws on indigenous populations. This has not happened in the past and many laws impact indigenous populations disproportionately due to the cultural and social differences.
I have a feeling that it will allow allow for a pathway to tribal laws being taken more seriously in place of, rather than as well as, federal and state laws – but that’s just speculation.I think at this stage it is a recognition of the disproportionality in impact of caucasian culture to indigenous populations
that is my broad understanding also – one of the issues people seem to get hung up on is the mechanism that will used to decide who sits on the The Voice committee.
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:Exactly how The Voice functions is yet to be determined.
from what I can understand, while the nuances are not yet worked out.. it’s a representation of the indigenous culture as it pertains to the Australian legal system. Therefore, it is allowing for the input and consideration of the impacts of the introduction of laws on indigenous populations. This has not happened in the past and many laws impact indigenous populations disproportionately due to the cultural and social differences.
I have a feeling that it will allow allow for a pathway to tribal laws being taken more seriously in place of, rather than as well as, federal and state laws – but that’s just speculation.I think at this stage it is a recognition of the disproportionality in impact of caucasian culture to indigenous populations
that is my broad understanding also – one of the issues people seem to get hung up on is the mechanism that will used to decide who sits on the The Voice committee.
Self-determination might be a great thing.
FFS ….
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
You’ve got the voice thread https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16714/
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Do we need a ‘Voice’ thread?…
Voice will ‘enhance’ system of government: Solicitor General’s advice
By Lisa Visentin
April 21, 2023 — 10.40amThe Commonwealth’s top legal adviser says the federal cabinet and public service would not be forced to consult with the Voice before making policy, in a legal opinion that counters concerns that enshrining the body in the Constitution will clog up the courts and hamstring governments.
In a written opinion submitted to the parliamentary inquiry into the referendum, Solicitor-General Stephen Donaghue said the Voice would “enhance” Australia’s system of representative and responsible government, and not “will not fetter or impede” the powers of the parliament or executive.
Read more:
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voice-will-enhance-system-of-government-solicitor-general-s-advice-20230420-p5d24r.html
You’ve got the voice thread https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16714/
Ta Roughy. Forgot all about it.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
esselte said:It’s not really an issue in Australia though. I looked this up and posted the stats here during the George Floyd stuff; Aboriginal deaths in custody are comparable (actually slightly lower) as a percentage than white deaths in custody. The issue that needs to be addressed is the disproportionate number of Aboriginals who are in custody.
Wasn’t Aboriginal deaths in custody originally to investigate “suicides” they may have been racially motivated murder by the police/prison officers and made to look like a suicide.
any deaths in custody is investigated, because the state have responsibility over the health and wellbeing of the incarnated population.
While I was busy at work today, I didn’t get any time to pop in to read/and/or comment on the posts.
As it turned out during a brief lunch break, I randomly clicked on this one.
I did have a little lol.
If the people in custody are incarnated, does that mean that the next time they are jailed, they are re-incarnated?
Kingy said:
Arts said:
Cymek said:Wasn’t Aboriginal deaths in custody originally to investigate “suicides” they may have been racially motivated murder by the police/prison officers and made to look like a suicide.
any deaths in custody is investigated, because the state have responsibility over the health and wellbeing of the incarnated population.
While I was busy at work today, I didn’t get any time to pop in to read/and/or comment on the posts.
As it turned out during a brief lunch break, I randomly clicked on this one.
I did have a little lol.
If the people in custody are incarnated, does that mean that the next time they are jailed, they are re-incarnated?
Ha Ha, dad joke.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
What happened to the $443milion?
So that’s all right then.
Oh I would make quite a few arguments about that.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
What happened to the $443milion?
So that’s all right then.
Oh I would make quite a few arguments about that.
Feel free to proceed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So that’s all right then.
Oh I would make quite a few arguments about that.
Feel free to proceed.
I’m sure you can find a few too.
Dutton refuses to identify ‘Elders’ he met over the Voice.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
What happened to the $443milion?
So that’s all right then.
Oh I would make quite a few arguments about that.
Bundaberg Fruit & Vegetable Growers Cooperative Limited
?
And as much as Dutton is utterly detestable in every way, it seems that he was (apparently) not one of the Pinkenba Six.
Have to be fair about these things.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So that’s all right then.
Oh I would make quite a few arguments about that.
Bundaberg Fruit & Vegetable Growers Cooperative Limited
?
Yes. Where is the breakdown of what was done with these donations by the recipients?
What do the sugar resaearch people do with the money?
and so forth.
How did the monies acctually help to reverse the problems on the reef?
What is being done to stop erosion and chemical runoff?
Spiny Norman said:
And as much as Dutton is utterly detestable in every way, it seems that he was (apparently) not one of the Pinkenba Six.
Have to be fair about these things.
Was Dutton stationed in Brisbane?
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
And as much as Dutton is utterly detestable in every way, it seems that he was (apparently) not one of the Pinkenba Six.
Have to be fair about these things.
Was Dutton stationed in Brisbane?
Yes, unfortunately.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Oh I would make quite a few arguments about that.
Bundaberg Fruit & Vegetable Growers Cooperative Limited
?
Yes. Where is the breakdown of what was done with these donations by the recipients?
What do the sugar resaearch people do with the money?
and so forth.
How did the monies acctually help to reverse the problems on the reef?What is being done to stop erosion and chemical runoff?
That obviously needs a great deal more research than can be expected from a short on-line article, but the point is that it seems the information should be available.
https://theconversation.com/the-rise-of-unaccountable-ministerial-advisors-why-victorias-ibac-report-should-concern-all-australians-204191
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Bundaberg Fruit & Vegetable Growers Cooperative Limited
?
Yes. Where is the breakdown of what was done with these donations by the recipients?
What do the sugar resaearch people do with the money?
and so forth.
How did the monies acctually help to reverse the problems on the reef?What is being done to stop erosion and chemical runoff?
That obviously needs a great deal more research than can be expected from a short on-line article, but the point is that it seems the information should be available.
One would hope so.
After Dominion deal, Murdoch drops case against Australian publisher
By Michael E. Miller
Updated April 21, 2023 at 4:48 a.m. EDT|Published April 21, 2023 at 2:48 a.m. EDT
SYDNEY — Fox Corporation chief executive Lachlan Murdoch dropped a defamation case against an independent Australian publisher Friday, just days after Fox News ended its own defamation ordeal in the United States with a $787.5 million settlement.
The decision avoids what promised to be a public rehashing Down Under of the damaging claims made by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News in the United States, as the Australian news website Crikey and its parent company prepared to use documents from the American case in their defense.
Lachlan Murdoch, the son of Fox Corp. chairman Rupert Murdoch, was confident he would have prevailed, said his attorney John Churchill.
But the younger Murdoch did not wish to “further enable Crikey’s use of the court to litigate a case from another jurisdiction that has already been settled and facilitate a marketing campaign designed to attract subscribers and boost their profits,” he said in a statement.
Crikey, an edgy online news magazine, celebrated the outcome in its typically blunt style.
“The fact is, Murdoch sued us, and then dropped his case,” Crikey’s parent company, Private Media, said in a statement posted to Twitter. “This is a substantial victory for legitimate public interest journalism. We stand by what we published last June, and everything we laid out in our defense to the court. The imputations drawn by Murdoch from that article were ridiculous.”
Fox was resigned to a tough trial. Then, a secret mediator stepped in.
The controversy began in June last year when Crikey published an opinion piece headlined “Trump is a confirmed unhinged traitor. And Murdoch is his unindicted co-conspirator.”
In it, Crikey political editor Bernard Keane argued that the Murdochs and Fox News commentators shared some blame for the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the Capitol in Washington. The headline did not specify which Murdoch was the “unindicted co-conspirator.”
Crikey took down the piece the next day following a legal threat from Lachlan Murdoch. The website also offered to publish a clarifying statement, but it refused to apologize. When Murdoch continued to demand an apology, Crikey doubled down by reposting the opinion piece, printing the Fox Corp. CEO’s legal threats and effectively asking to be sued.
“We want to defend those accusations in court,” Private Media said in an open letter published online and in newspapers in Australia and the United States.
Murdoch sued, claiming that Crikey was conducting “a campaign of self-promotion” to boost subscribers.
Crikey’s subscriber numbers did, in fact, boom as people around the world signed up to support a website many had never heard of but one that was now waging what seemed like a David vs. Goliath media battle. A GoFundMe site for Crikey’s legal defense has raised almost $400,000 — or close to 600,000 Australian dollars.
“Media outlets in Australia get sued all the time, but it’s relatively unusual for a media outlet like Crikey to take the sort of stand it did,” said David Rolph, a law professor at the University of Sydney and an expert on defamation. “Crikey did something distinct here in making very public the position it took and why it was taking that and inviting public support.”
Crikey was also making a novel defense. Australia’s defamation laws are much stricter than those in the United States, Rolph said. But this case promised to test a new law empowering media to argue that what they publish is in the public interest.
“The case would have given some clarity about how this defense would have worked,” Rolph said. “We’ll never know what was going to happen, but now Lachlan Murdoch will never have to get into the witness box to give evidence.”
The defamation suit in Australia also offered an ironic contrast to Fox News’s own legal battle against Dominion in the United States, in which the company defended its journalists’ free speech rights. At the same time, Murdoch appeared to be attacking those same rights on the other side of the planet.
The federal court trial had been set to start in Sydney in October and run for three weeks.
But the case took a turn earlier this month when Private Media moved to make a “contextual truth defense” on top of its public interest and qualified privilege arguments. The contextual truth defense would have allowed Crikey to cite thousands of pages of evidence from the Dominion lawsuit, and threatened to turn the Australian trial into a lengthy and messy rehashing of the American case.
“In their latest attempt to change their defense strategy, Crikey has tried to introduce thousands of pages of documents from a defamation case in another jurisdiction, which has now settled,” Churchill said in his statement.
“In that case, in the U.S. state of Delaware, the trial judge ruled the events of Jan. 6, 2021, in the U.S. Capitol, were not relevant. Further, the plaintiff Dominion Voting Systems made clear it would not argue that Fox News caused the events of Jan. 6, and at no point did it ever argue that Mr. Murdoch was personally responsible for the events of January 6. Yet this is what Crikey’s article alleged and what Crikey is attempting to argue in Australia.”
Fox News’s decision to settle the Dominion lawsuit this week nonetheless appears to have doomed its Australian defamation case.
“We stand by our position that Lachlan Murdoch was culpable in promoting the lie of the 2020 election result because he, and his father, had the power to stop the lies,” Private Media said. “How do we know? Because Dominion sued Fox News for promoting the lies and Fox just paid $1.17 billion to Dominion to settle the case.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/21/lachlan-murdoch-crikey-defamation-australia/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
After Dominion deal, Murdoch drops case against Australian publisher
By Michael E. Miller
Updated April 21, 2023 at 4:48 a.m. EDT|Published April 21, 2023 at 2:48 a.m. EDTSYDNEY — Fox Corporation chief executive Lachlan Murdoch dropped a defamation case against an independent Australian publisher Friday, just days after Fox News ended its own defamation ordeal in the United States with a $787.5 million settlement.
The decision avoids what promised to be a public rehashing Down Under of the damaging claims made by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News in the United States, as the Australian news website Crikey and its parent company prepared to use documents from the American case in their defense.
Lachlan Murdoch, the son of Fox Corp. chairman Rupert Murdoch, was confident he would have prevailed, said his attorney John Churchill.
But the younger Murdoch did not wish to “further enable Crikey’s use of the court to litigate a case from another jurisdiction that has already been settled and facilitate a marketing campaign designed to attract subscribers and boost their profits,” he said in a statement.
Crikey, an edgy online news magazine, celebrated the outcome in its typically blunt style.
“The fact is, Murdoch sued us, and then dropped his case,” Crikey’s parent company, Private Media, said in a statement posted to Twitter. “This is a substantial victory for legitimate public interest journalism. We stand by what we published last June, and everything we laid out in our defense to the court. The imputations drawn by Murdoch from that article were ridiculous.”
Fox was resigned to a tough trial. Then, a secret mediator stepped in.
The controversy began in June last year when Crikey published an opinion piece headlined “Trump is a confirmed unhinged traitor. And Murdoch is his unindicted co-conspirator.”
In it, Crikey political editor Bernard Keane argued that the Murdochs and Fox News commentators shared some blame for the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the Capitol in Washington. The headline did not specify which Murdoch was the “unindicted co-conspirator.”
Crikey took down the piece the next day following a legal threat from Lachlan Murdoch. The website also offered to publish a clarifying statement, but it refused to apologize. When Murdoch continued to demand an apology, Crikey doubled down by reposting the opinion piece, printing the Fox Corp. CEO’s legal threats and effectively asking to be sued.
“We want to defend those accusations in court,” Private Media said in an open letter published online and in newspapers in Australia and the United States.
Murdoch sued, claiming that Crikey was conducting “a campaign of self-promotion” to boost subscribers.
Crikey’s subscriber numbers did, in fact, boom as people around the world signed up to support a website many had never heard of but one that was now waging what seemed like a David vs. Goliath media battle. A GoFundMe site for Crikey’s legal defense has raised almost $400,000 — or close to 600,000 Australian dollars.
“Media outlets in Australia get sued all the time, but it’s relatively unusual for a media outlet like Crikey to take the sort of stand it did,” said David Rolph, a law professor at the University of Sydney and an expert on defamation. “Crikey did something distinct here in making very public the position it took and why it was taking that and inviting public support.”
Crikey was also making a novel defense. Australia’s defamation laws are much stricter than those in the United States, Rolph said. But this case promised to test a new law empowering media to argue that what they publish is in the public interest.
“The case would have given some clarity about how this defense would have worked,” Rolph said. “We’ll never know what was going to happen, but now Lachlan Murdoch will never have to get into the witness box to give evidence.”
The defamation suit in Australia also offered an ironic contrast to Fox News’s own legal battle against Dominion in the United States, in which the company defended its journalists’ free speech rights. At the same time, Murdoch appeared to be attacking those same rights on the other side of the planet.
The federal court trial had been set to start in Sydney in October and run for three weeks.
But the case took a turn earlier this month when Private Media moved to make a “contextual truth defense” on top of its public interest and qualified privilege arguments. The contextual truth defense would have allowed Crikey to cite thousands of pages of evidence from the Dominion lawsuit, and threatened to turn the Australian trial into a lengthy and messy rehashing of the American case.
“In their latest attempt to change their defense strategy, Crikey has tried to introduce thousands of pages of documents from a defamation case in another jurisdiction, which has now settled,” Churchill said in his statement.
“In that case, in the U.S. state of Delaware, the trial judge ruled the events of Jan. 6, 2021, in the U.S. Capitol, were not relevant. Further, the plaintiff Dominion Voting Systems made clear it would not argue that Fox News caused the events of Jan. 6, and at no point did it ever argue that Mr. Murdoch was personally responsible for the events of January 6. Yet this is what Crikey’s article alleged and what Crikey is attempting to argue in Australia.”
Fox News’s decision to settle the Dominion lawsuit this week nonetheless appears to have doomed its Australian defamation case.
“We stand by our position that Lachlan Murdoch was culpable in promoting the lie of the 2020 election result because he, and his father, had the power to stop the lies,” Private Media said. “How do we know? Because Dominion sued Fox News for promoting the lies and Fox just paid $1.17 billion to Dominion to settle the case.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/21/lachlan-murdoch-crikey-defamation-australia/??
Time To CounterClaim¡
The comments section went about as well as you’d expect for him.
Training Them Up Young For The Afghanistan Reboot
Students at one of Sydney’s most prestigious private schools are under investigation by police after allegedly killing a goanna. 2GB host Ben Fordham received an anonymous tip-off that the animal had been tortured and killed by a group of students from The King’s School at an end-of-term camp. The school confirmed the incident in a statement. “There was an incident which occurred at The King’s School annual cadet camp towards the end of last term,” the statement read. “We can confirm that a goanna was killed by senior students.” The school said staff had reported the matter to police and to Defence.
Sorry we meant boot on neck.
4 of the bottom 10 electorates are Tasmanian.
sarahs mum said:
4 of the bottom 10 electorates are Tasmanian.
And we have but 5.
sarahs mum said:
4 of the bottom 10 electorates are Tasmanian.
With mine being the bottomest.
Children born in Australia to Kiwi parents who meet certain criteria will be given automatic Australian citizenship, under new changes announced by the federal government.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-23/children-nz-parents-automatically-australian-citizens-changes/102257622
dv said:
Children born in Australia to Kiwi parents who meet certain criteria will be given automatic Australian citizenship, under new changes announced by the federal government.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-23/children-nz-parents-automatically-australian-citizens-changes/102257622
sounds fair.
dv said:
Children born in Australia to Kiwi parents who meet certain criteria will be given automatic Australian citizenship, under new changes announced by the federal government.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-23/children-nz-parents-automatically-australian-citizens-changes/102257622
good.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Children born in Australia to Kiwi parents who meet certain criteria will be given automatic Australian citizenship, under new changes announced by the federal government.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-23/children-nz-parents-automatically-australian-citizens-changes/102257622
sounds fair.
I agree. In fact, any child born in Australia should have Australian citizenship.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Children born in Australia to Kiwi parents who meet certain criteria will be given automatic Australian citizenship, under new changes announced by the federal government.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-23/children-nz-parents-automatically-australian-citizens-changes/102257622
sounds fair.
I agree. In fact, any child born in Australia should have Australian citizenship.
I think we should extend the same visa conditions that NZ get to some other Pacific Islanders.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Children born in Australia to Kiwi parents who meet certain criteria will be given automatic Australian citizenship, under new changes announced by the federal government.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-23/children-nz-parents-automatically-australian-citizens-changes/102257622
sounds fair.
I agree. In fact, any child born in Australia should have Australian citizenship.
In fact I thought this was always the case. It appears I was somehow misled.
Panic for the ALP as today’s Newspoll reveals that 28% of voters prefer Dutton as PM, up from 26% last time.
dv said:
Panic for the ALP as today’s Newspoll reveals that 28% of voters prefer Dutton as PM, up from 26% last time.
Sound like some ALP voters have died.
dv said:
Panic for the ALP as today’s Newspoll reveals that 28% of voters prefer Dutton as PM, up from 26% last time.
A 2% increase in fascists?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Panic for the ALP as today’s Newspoll reveals that 28% of voters prefer Dutton as PM, up from 26% last time.
Sound like some ALP voters have died.
or Dutton stirred some racism.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Panic for the ALP as today’s Newspoll reveals that 28% of voters prefer Dutton as PM, up from 26% last time.
Sound like some ALP voters have died.
or Dutton stirred some racism.
Probably.
Mr Potato head has poor logic and poor ethics.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/24/health-education-an-online-marsupial-cartoon-school-what-australia-me-wants-in-the-2023-budget
Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
SCIENCE said:
Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
Certainly, by comparison with the vast sums that could be garnered from making mining companies and other corporate big-wheels actually pay a reasonable tax (at last!), anything that comes from super changes would be a drop in the bucket.
The risk with making people with millions in super pay any sort of tax is that it’s the thin end of the wedge. Much easier to extend the idea downwards gradually, and the impacts would be far greater on the people with an ‘average’ amount of super, even if the tax rates are much lower.
Not so long ago, the predicament of those who don’t have enough super, particularly women, was a hot topic in the media. Taxing what super they do have is not going to help the situation, and it would definitely increase pressure on sources of government assistance.
The question then is, will the government end up spending more on those low-end super ‘victims’ than it gains from taxing them?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
Communism¡
But there’s a key difference between extractive industries and most other endeavours: resources are non-renewable. Once they’re mined, that’s it. The companies move on to newer fields, taking the profits with them. It’s important to remember, too, that the resources don’t belong to the corporations that mine them. They have a right to extract and sell them, but ultimately those resources belong to the Australian people. That’s why most nations impose much greater tax rates, or special taxes, on miners and energy companies.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
Certainly, by comparison with the vast sums that could be garnered from making mining companies and other corporate big-wheels actually pay a reasonable tax (at last!), anything that comes from super changes would be a drop in the bucket.
The risk with making people with millions in super pay any sort of tax is that it’s the thin end of the wedge. Much easier to extend the idea downwards gradually, and the impacts would be far greater on the people with an ‘average’ amount of super, even if the tax rates are much lower.
Not so long ago, the predicament of those who don’t have enough super, particularly women, was a hot topic in the media. Taxing what super they do have is not going to help the situation, and it would definitely increase pressure on sources of government assistance.
The question then is, will the government end up spending more on those low-end super ‘victims’ than it gains from taxing them?
OK, but it’s the tax on capital gains being reduced by half that I really had in mind. The loss in tax income from that must be enormous.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
Certainly, by comparison with the vast sums that could be garnered from making mining companies and other corporate big-wheels actually pay a reasonable tax (at last!), anything that comes from super changes would be a drop in the bucket.
The risk with making people with millions in super pay any sort of tax is that it’s the thin end of the wedge. Much easier to extend the idea downwards gradually, and the impacts would be far greater on the people with an ‘average’ amount of super, even if the tax rates are much lower.
Not so long ago, the predicament of those who don’t have enough super, particularly women, was a hot topic in the media. Taxing what super they do have is not going to help the situation, and it would definitely increase pressure on sources of government assistance.
The question then is, will the government end up spending more on those low-end super ‘victims’ than it gains from taxing them?
Slippery slope argument… have you been recently recruited to the IPA? With super tax breaks soon to cost more than the entire pension system something needs to be done considering the demographics of who benefits from them.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
Communism¡
But there’s a key difference between extractive industries and most other endeavours: resources are non-renewable. Once they’re mined, that’s it. The companies move on to newer fields, taking the profits with them. It’s important to remember, too, that the resources don’t belong to the corporations that mine them. They have a right to extract and sell them, but ultimately those resources belong to the Australian people. That’s why most nations impose much greater tax rates, or special taxes, on miners and energy companies.
Yeah, I read that bit and don’t have any comment on it, other than it is obviously true.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Check It Out, Your “Independent Media” ABC Has Gone Full Communist
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/australia-prrt-oil-giants-chalmers-federal-budget/102262102
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
Communism¡
But there’s a key difference between extractive industries and most other endeavours: resources are non-renewable. Once they’re mined, that’s it. The companies move on to newer fields, taking the profits with them. It’s important to remember, too, that the resources don’t belong to the corporations that mine them. They have a right to extract and sell them, but ultimately those resources belong to the Australian people. That’s why most nations impose much greater tax rates, or special taxes, on miners and energy companies.
So, doesn’t it make sense, then, to get them to contribute to a worthwhile degree while they are interested in the place?
As it is, they make the money, pay little for it, and will walk away from what’s left when they’re done with it.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Referring to superannuation changes and the reduced tax on capital gains it says:
“Both changes, however, run the risk of a political backlash and deliver only small returns.”
Is that actually true?
The second bit I mean.
I’m sure there would be a backlash from those who have to pay more tax.
Communism¡
But there’s a key difference between extractive industries and most other endeavours: resources are non-renewable. Once they’re mined, that’s it. The companies move on to newer fields, taking the profits with them. It’s important to remember, too, that the resources don’t belong to the corporations that mine them. They have a right to extract and sell them, but ultimately those resources belong to the Australian people. That’s why most nations impose much greater tax rates, or special taxes, on miners and energy companies.
So, doesn’t it make sense, then, to get them to contribute to a worthwhile degree while they are interested in the place?
As it is, they make the money, pay little for it, and will walk away from what’s left when they’re done with it.
Yes. This has to somehow stop and be reorganised.
Seems a generous interpretation would be that macroeconomics as a SCIENCE is still at its “describe” phase, or more realistically they have NFI and it’s no SCIENCE at all.
SCIENCE said:
Seems a generous interpretation would be that macroeconomics as a SCIENCE is still at its “describe” phase, or more realistically they have NFI and it’s no SCIENCE at all.
Careful, witty gets all cranky when you make fun of economics.
What about this new proposal to offer 60 days worth of medicine?
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:Seems a generous interpretation would be that macroeconomics as a SCIENCE is still at its “describe” phase, or more realistically they have NFI and it’s no SCIENCE at all.
Careful, witty gets all cranky when you make fun of economics.
Especially at this hour!
roughbarked said:
What about this new proposal to offer 60 days worth of medicine?
IDK
roughbarked said:
What about this new proposal to offer 60 days worth of medicine?
Besides having to bring home twice the number of boxes I don’t mind it.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
What about this new proposal to offer 60 days worth of medicine?
Besides having to bring home twice the number of boxes I don’t mind it.
Well, yeah. They will take up more space in the fridge. The main issue is apparently how much this will save the prescribed buyers; up to 1.6 billion.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
What about this new proposal to offer 60 days worth of medicine?
Besides having to bring home twice the number of boxes I don’t mind it.
Well, yeah. They will take up more space in the fridge. The main issue is apparently how much this will save the prescribed buyers; up to 1.6 billion.
Basically from fewer visits to the GP for prescriptions.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Besides having to bring home twice the number of boxes I don’t mind it.
Well, yeah. They will take up more space in the fridge. The main issue is apparently how much this will save the prescribed buyers; up to 1.6 billion.
Basically from fewer visits to the GP for prescriptions.
You sure? I thought it was double of the amount of meds meant you went to the pharmacy half as much. You pay per prescription not how many boxes you take home?
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Well, yeah. They will take up more space in the fridge. The main issue is apparently how much this will save the prescribed buyers; up to 1.6 billion.
Basically from fewer visits to the GP for prescriptions.
You sure? I thought it was double of the amount of meds meant you went to the pharmacy half as much. You pay per prescription not how many boxes you take home?
That. It’s an extra PBS listing for certain medicines to be double quantities.
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Basically from fewer visits to the GP for prescriptions.
You sure? I thought it was double of the amount of meds meant you went to the pharmacy half as much. You pay per prescription not how many boxes you take home?
That. It’s an extra PBS listing for certain medicines to be double quantities.
I was just going off what the abc report said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/pbs-change-allows-purchase-of-60-days-worth-of-medicine/102265094
roughbarked said:
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
You sure? I thought it was double of the amount of meds meant you went to the pharmacy half as much. You pay per prescription not how many boxes you take home?
That. It’s an extra PBS listing for certain medicines to be double quantities.
I was just going off what the abc report said. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-25/pbs-change-allows-purchase-of-60-days-worth-of-medicine/102265094
So is the general consensus that this is deckchairs¿
Poik is there a list of the discussed medications out yet?
The Melbourne Comedy Festival now give awards to people who identify as funny.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Melbourne Comedy Festival now give awards to people who identify as funny.
Is that like funny ha ha or….
Twent Twomey presents as a bit of a dork.
kii said:
Twent Twomey presents as a bit of a dork.
His name looks dyslexic.
kii said:
Twent Twomey presents as a bit of a dork.
14 Feb 2022 … Twomey has been awarded the use of a full academic title, being a James Cook University Professor in the Division of Tropical Health and …
kii said:
Twent Twomey presents as a bit of a dork.
But he’s a professor!
(never heard of him till just now)
roughbarked said:
kii said:
Twent Twomey presents as a bit of a dork.
His name looks dyslexic.
That’s just me being silly.
Not sure this is the right hill to die on.
One of the more aggravating things about HECS debts is how they’re indexed to CPI. It means the interests of the lender (ie the government) are protected, because the real value of the debt isn’t allowed to deteriorate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-26/asx-markets-business-live-news/102266088
… but then again education was once provided free right …
SCIENCE said:
Not sure this is the right hill to die on.
One of the more aggravating things about HECS debts is how they’re indexed to CPI. It means the interests of the lender (ie the government) are protected, because the real value of the debt isn’t allowed to deteriorate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-26/asx-markets-business-live-news/102266088
… but then again education was once provided free right …
Cool¡
https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/banking/2023/04/25/first-republic-bank-shares-deposits/
Shares of First Republic Bank plunged more than 22 per cent in after-hours trading even as the San Francisco-based lender said it was taking steps to shore up its balance sheet and cut its workforce after its deposits plunged in the first quarter amid financial turmoil at US mid-sized banks.
Shares of First Republic Bank slumped 49% on Wall Street on Tuesday after the lender reported that its deposits shrank by $100 billion in the first quarter of this year.
You beauty¡
“If you’re looking at the law of nature, they are absolute criminals,” Brown says. “If you rob a bank, you go to jail. But if you rob coming generations, you get a massive subsidy from the co-opted captains of democracy – the current crop of ministers and prime ministers and premiers.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/25/how-tasmanias-anti-protest-laws-drove-bob-brown-back-to-frontline-activism
SCIENCE said:
Not sure this is the right hill to die on.One of the more aggravating things about HECS debts is how they’re indexed to CPI. It means the interests of the lender (ie the government) are protected, because the real value of the debt isn’t allowed to deteriorate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-26/asx-markets-business-live-news/102266088
… but then again education was once provided free right …
The indexing of the debt is an important part of the design of the HECS (now HELP) system. It allows the government to manage the real value of the debt and also means that people aren’t subjected to increasing instalments (as would be the case if the loans were subject to interest).
It seems to me to be a pretty effective compromise between a full loan system and a system of completely free education.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Not sure this is the right hill to die on.
One of the more aggravating things about HECS debts is how they’re indexed to CPI. It means the interests of the lender (ie the government) are protected, because the real value of the debt isn’t allowed to deteriorate.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-26/asx-markets-business-live-news/102266088
… but then again education was once provided free right …
Cool¡
https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/banking/2023/04/25/first-republic-bank-shares-deposits/
Shares of First Republic Bank plunged more than 22 per cent in after-hours trading even as the San Francisco-based lender said it was taking steps to shore up its balance sheet and cut its workforce after its deposits plunged in the first quarter amid financial turmoil at US mid-sized banks.
Shares of First Republic Bank slumped 49% on Wall Street on Tuesday after the lender reported that its deposits shrank by $100 billion in the first quarter of this year.
You beauty¡
American banks are always suspect.
Their names give a clue. They’re always the ‘First’ bank of something or other: ‘First American something or other Bank’, ‘First Reserve…’ ‘First State…’ ‘First Federal….’ etc. etc., followed by something like ‘Farmers Bank’ , or ‘Industrial Credit Bank’ etc. etc.
‘First’ being meant to convey hey, if these guys are the first, then they’ve been around for a while and know their stuff, or maybe they’re rated ‘first’ because they’re good and can be trusted.
The next bit ‘American’, ‘State’ etc. being meant to hint at some kind of link to government, to suggest that they have the backing of some outfit with really seriously deep pockets, and that they’re well-governed.
The last bit like ‘Industrial Credit’ etc., is to give reassurance that they’re in business to deal with good, solid areas of banking so that they’re taken to be people who have good, reliable business bases, and customers need not worry.
All in all, it’s usually a collection of nebulous and poorly-protected terms, strung together in a way that vaguely hints at, but never actually precisely declares, a whole range of attributes. None of which may actually exist.
ABC News:
Y’know, if China paid just a fraction of the attention that Australia does to ‘what will the neighbours think?’, none at all of this would be necessary.
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/greens-housing-spokesman-opposes-1300-new-homes-20230411-p5czkq
The Greens are prepared to vote down Anthony Albanese’s signature $10 billion social housing fund. This is partly because building a mere 30,000 affordable homes over five years is the equivalent of “taking a bucket of water to a forest fire”. Or so reckoned Green housing spokesman Max Chandler-Mather on a recent Guardian podcast.
It follows then that Chandler-Mather’s own attempts to stymie the development of some 1300 new homes in his own electorate is like adding a handful of dry kindling to an adjacent inferno.
Chandler-Mather’s seat of Griffith, home to some of Brisbane’s wealthiest residents, should be the perfect candidate for higher-density housing, given it is serviced by ferries, trains, buses and major road networks, just south of the CBD. Alas, NIMBYism is as strong there as it is in most of the country’s more desirable locales.
Residents have a willing advocate in their newly elected Green MP, his housing and homelessness portfolio and oft-avowed concern for renters grappling with a 1 per cent vacancy rate notwithstanding. Plans to redevelop an old barracks and an industrial site into “luxury” units and apartments have in both cases met with Chandler-Mather’s fierce opposition.
At Tugulawa Park, his website details in glowing terms the installation of a new yet instantly “much-loved” community garden where an access road is planned for 855 new low- to medium-density riverfront homes.
“I’m spending a lot of my time right now pushing the federal government to invest in public and affordable housing,” Chandler-Mather states, before outlining his many objections to this specific proposal, which include concerns about flooding and traffic, as well as over that new road.
He wants the entire site purchased by the federal government for public parkland, community facilities and “a small portion of affordable housing”.
Meanwhile, on the other side of his electorate, plans for the construction of two 26-story towers on what is currently an industrial site have also met with opposition, despite the 470 new homes contained therein. The plan, the Greens MP states, will create “further congestion” and “misses a fantastic opportunity” to use the site to instead expand the neighbouring park. Seriously. And Chandler-Mather insists it is Labor that doesn’t get the scale of the housing emergency.
Like many an inner-city MP before him, Chandler-Mather claims he isn’t opposed to development, just bad development made without compensating investment in supporting infrastructure.
Being a Green, Chandler-Mather is also iffy on commercial property developers and their creation of homes for the wealthy or middle-class.
The fact Greens voters in inner-city suburbs are usually wealthy or middle-class is no electoral issue at all because those with property portfolios can reason this through. Inner-city suburbs with fewer homes but ever more community gardens are only getting pricier.
Remember when that pilot was doing good honest work for CHINA and got arrested for it, but
this should be all good¡
These fools are pretending to save the world
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-27/cattle-farmers-take-action-to-stop-climate-change/101803350
but all they’re doing is making milk more
expensive for the Real Aussie Battlers ¡
SCIENCE said:
Remember when that pilot was doing good honest work for CHINA and got arrested for it, but
this should be all good¡
Sell this one in CHINA for the LOLs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-27/qld-winnie-the-pooh-auction-first-edition/102267518
The federal government is preparing to roll back one of former prime minister Julia Gillard’s most controversial policies by allowing single parents to stay at home for four more years without being moved to JobSeeker.
As part of next month’s budget, cabinet is considering raising how old a youngest child can be to 12 before their parent is kicked off the payment, according to sources familiar with the deliberations. This is four years less than the return to the 16-year-old threshold called for by the government’s own economic equality taskforce last week.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/controversial-gillard-era-parenting-policy-to-be-ditched-in-federal-budget-20230424-p5d2t4.html
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.
In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
dv said:
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
He was on a run.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
well yes, that what it says but that doesn’t mean his were the only complaints.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
I’m glad he’s keeping busy, some people fade off in retirement.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
well yes, that what it says but that doesn’t mean his were the only complaints.
I believe something like a half million people aside from me signed his petition.
sarahs mum said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
well yes, that what it says but that doesn’t mean his were the only complaints.
I believe something like a half million people aside from me signed his petition.
as well as me.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
JudgeMental said:well yes, that what it says but that doesn’t mean his were the only complaints.
I believe something like a half million people aside from me signed his petition.
as well as me.
I bet PWM did too
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
I’m glad he’s keeping busy, some people fade off in retirement.
Although it is a little disappointing that he limited himself to only 80 complaints.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
I’m glad he’s keeping busy, some people fade off in retirement.
Although it is a little disappointing that he limited himself to only 80 complaints.
Should have taken it to 100, a nice round off figure.
Tau.Neutrino said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I’m glad he’s keeping busy, some people fade off in retirement.
Although it is a little disappointing that he limited himself to only 80 complaints.
Should have taken it to 100, a nice round off figure.
He probably didn’t think he needed to go that far.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Foxtel’s conservative current affairs program Outsiders breached accuracy guidelines in its coverage of climate change issues on multiple occasions, according to broadcasting regulator the Australian Communications and Media Authority.In an investigation in response to more than 80 complaints from former prime minister Kevin Rudd, the authority found the program, which is hosted by Rowan Dean, Rita Panahi, and James Morrow and broadcast on Sky News, had breached its responsibilities to present news accurately and fairly and to distinguish clearly between factual material and commentary on four separate occasions between October and December 2021.
https://www.watoday.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/foxtel-s-outsiders-breached-accuracy-guidelines-on-climate-coverage-acma-20230426-p5d3cj.html
All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
He took one for the team!
sarahs mum said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:All the complaints were from Kevin Rudd LOL
well yes, that what it says but that doesn’t mean his were the only complaints.
I believe something like a half million people aside from me signed his petition.
I signed it as well…
It does seem that there is less of a tendency for politicians to cling on to office into old age here then there is in the US. The next presidential election is likely to be between two octogenarians, and Democrats can’t convince Senator Dianne Feinstein to retire as her 90th birthday looms. She was already past a good retirement age at the turn of the millennium: there are people born since then who are now in the US House of Reps. What are you hanging on for? You’re a member of a huge party, you can’t really be so vain as to think you’re irreplaceable.
Fully 34 of the US Senators are 70 and up, 4 of them over 80.
In the HOR, 76 members are over 70, and 12 members are over 80.
Albo is 60, Dutton is 52: fully experienced legislators, a good kind of age for leadership.
The oldest member of the Aust House of Reps is Bob Katter at 77. In fairness he really is unique and he could reasonably tel himself that his retirement will represent the end of an era. Among major party representatives there’s Warren Entsch, 72, Russell Broadbent, 72, Tony Zappia, 70 … and that’s it for members of the HOR over 70. A retirement in the 50s or 60s is quite the norm in Auspol.
In the Senate, Derryn Hinch is 79, Pat Dodson is 75 … I think that’s it for the over 70s?
sarahs mum said:
An act of love and devotion to Abbott’s vooice?
So same shit, different colour.
News conferences can be telling contests between a prime minister and journalists. Albanese has one interesting tactic for avoiding being thrown onto the back foot. “You get one question” is his mantra. That stops a journalist following up an answer in which the PM has dodged. While sometimes fellow reporters will home in, often the “one question” approach allows for escape.
Scott Morrison was a control freak, and the crassness of his style meant things often ran out of control. Albanese runs a highly controlled government, but uses gossamer threads, so the control becomes near invisible.
After almost a year, a debate is beginning about whether this is emerging as a do-little government or an engine for change. Journalist Tim Colebatch has written in Inside Story that “the Albanese government has fine-tuned many small things but embarked on no really big changes, and none are foreshadowed”. The government gives the impression of hyperactivity, but does the impression reflect reality?
Lies¡ They fucking told us this couldn’t happen¡ Renewables can’t possibly provide baseload, and they can only destabilise the grid until it’s even more expensive than under massive coal burns¡ This is bullshit¡
Surging renewable energy output has pushed fossil fuel-fired generation down to record low levels in Australia’s biggest electricity grid, triggering another big fall in wholesale prices.
At the same time as renewable energy soared, the agency said coal- and gas-fired power fell away to historically low levels, despite AEMO reporting that price caps imposed by the federal government had lowered their costs.
In a further sign of the transformation underway, Mr Westerman noted that renewable energy at one point in February accounted for almost 66 per cent of supply across the national electricity market — a new record. And it was the prevalence of rooftop solar that was having an outsized effect, he said.
Turns out “baseload” is actually negload, who knew ¿
There are more than 3 million Australian homes with solar panels, which typically pump any excess power they produce back into the grid in an uncontrolled way, pushing out other generators such as coal-fired plants. Mr Westerman said this phenomenon had helped push so-called operational demand — or demand for power from the grid — to record low levels. And it was also helping to drive wholesale power prices into negative territory — where generators pay to keep producing to avoid costly switching off procedures — more and more often.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
As evidenced by the howlers that pop up in the text of their news items.
Leave the ABC alone.
??
Are you OK PWM?
Wait until they see what Your ABC have come up with now.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Leave the ABC alone.
??
Are you OK PWM?
Wait until they see what Your ABC have come up with now.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Leave the ABC alone.
??
Are you OK PWM?
Wait until they see what Your ABC have come up with now.
Great diagram
dv said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
??
Are you OK PWM?
Wait until they see what Your ABC have come up with now.
Great diagram
Treasurers (from now on): ‘Well, there’s no money. Can’t explain it. No idea why. Gonna have to bring in some new taxes. Who aren’t we hitting right hard now? Single retired women without enough super? Great, they can start coughing up. Multinational mining companies? Are you pissed or something? No, we need revenue sources that can’t fight back!”
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Wait until they see what Your ABC have come up with now.
Great diagram
Treasurers (from now on): ‘Well, there’s no money. Can’t explain it. No idea why. Gonna have to bring in some new taxes. Who aren’t we hitting right hard now? Single retired women without enough super? Great, they can start coughing up. Multinational mining companies? Are you pissed or something? No, we need revenue sources that can’t fight back!”
The Labs can’t, and IMO, shouldn’t re-neg on their stage 3 tax cuts. The reason I say this is because I think making the change would be lazy politics. What Australia needs is a more wholistic approach to tax and I think the stage 3 cuts force this conversation.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Great diagram
Treasurers (from now on): ‘Well, there’s no money. Can’t explain it. No idea why. Gonna have to bring in some new taxes. Who aren’t we hitting right hard now? Single retired women without enough super? Great, they can start coughing up. Multinational mining companies? Are you pissed or something? No, we need revenue sources that can’t fight back!”
The Labs can’t, and IMO, shouldn’t re-neg on their stage 3 tax cuts. The reason I say this is because I think making the change would be lazy politics. What Australia needs is a more wholistic approach to tax and I think the stage 3 cuts force this conversation.
I’ll just renew my suggestion that general income tax be abolished and be replaced with a tax that only applies to passive forms of income such as rents, dividends, capital gains.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Treasurers (from now on): ‘Well, there’s no money. Can’t explain it. No idea why. Gonna have to bring in some new taxes. Who aren’t we hitting right hard now? Single retired women without enough super? Great, they can start coughing up. Multinational mining companies? Are you pissed or something? No, we need revenue sources that can’t fight back!”
The Labs can’t, and IMO, shouldn’t re-neg on their stage 3 tax cuts. The reason I say this is because I think making the change would be lazy politics. What Australia needs is a more wholistic approach to tax and I think the stage 3 cuts force this conversation.
I’ll just renew my suggestion that general income tax be abolished and be replaced with a tax that only applies to passive forms of income such as rents, dividends, capital gains.
that’s pretty out there suggestion and would, I think, further drive tax minimisation activities.
I’d rather see a system where the total deductions that any individual can be claim be limited to some nominal value.. say $10k… I’d also like to see capital gains discounts be eliminated.
The nexus of the NSW ALP and underworld criminal figures continues.
“Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his plan to attend the wedding of shock jock Kyle Sandilands, whose bridal party includes a convicted drug smuggler and a man described by his book publisher as “Australia’s most notorious underworld figure”.
Mr Sandilands has sparked repeated controversies over the years with his Sydney radio show, including claiming in 2022 that monkeypox was a “big gay disease”, claiming in 2019 that the mother of Jesus was a “liar who got knocked up behind a camel shed”, and airing an interview a decade ago with a distressed child who said she had been raped at the age of 12.”
The newly elected NSW premier is also reported to be attending.
Why? well there might be a clue here.
“The Kyle and Jackie O show is Sydney’s top rated radio breakfast show.”
Peak Warming Man said:
The nexus of the NSW ALP and underworld criminal figures continues.
“Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has defended his plan to attend the wedding of shock jock Kyle Sandilands, whose bridal party includes a convicted drug smuggler and a man described by his book publisher as “Australia’s most notorious underworld figure”.
Mr Sandilands has sparked repeated controversies over the years with his Sydney radio show, including claiming in 2022 that monkeypox was a “big gay disease”, claiming in 2019 that the mother of Jesus was a “liar who got knocked up behind a camel shed”, and airing an interview a decade ago with a distressed child who said she had been raped at the age of 12.”
The newly elected NSW premier is also reported to be attending.Why? well there might be a clue here.
“The Kyle and Jackie O show is Sydney’s top rated radio breakfast show.”
‘The New Alan Jones Show’?
Only the ABC could publish an article like this about interest rates in Australia and not mention the Howard/Costello reforms
It’s an appalling piece of bias.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-28/paul-keating-says-government-needs-the-power-to-overrule-rba/102271660
So have any of yous covered this
one yet or is everyone still banging on about budget holes and interest rates and taxation¿
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO). A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
War Makes The Economy Must Grow¡
This is who should maybe replace AG.
Except Kev can be a bit antsy, he doesn’t tolerate stupid questions.
Yeah take that you ASIANS in Taiwan that speak uh…
Northern Territory to include Australia’s sign language Auslan in its curriculum, meaning it’s now the primary language subject for all students from Years 1 to 6. The school made the switch from Chinese this school year after years of hard work prompted by one particular student named Sophie.
… uh Chinese.
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-28/defence-reveals-50-per-cent-contingency-for-cost-overruns-inside/102275806
It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
So have any of yous covered this
one yet or is everyone still banging on about budget holes and interest rates and taxation¿
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO). A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
War Makes The Economy Must Grow¡
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.
Well, put it this way, if you fuck The Economy Must Grow hard enough that the place becomes an absolute shithole, you could well deter potential invaders, it’s working for the USSA and the UK right now, why not make it the full USUKAU oh wait that’s exactly it, they just rearranged the order.
dv said:
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-28/defence-reveals-50-per-cent-contingency-for-cost-overruns-inside/102275806
It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.
Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
party_pants said:
dv said:
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-28/defence-reveals-50-per-cent-contingency-for-cost-overruns-inside/102275806
It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
I mean, who wants nuclear aeroplanes?
party_pants said:
dv said:
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-28/defence-reveals-50-per-cent-contingency-for-cost-overruns-inside/102275806
It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-28/defence-reveals-50-per-cent-contingency-for-cost-overruns-inside/102275806
It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
So have any of yous covered this
one yet or is everyone still banging on about budget holes and interest rates and taxation¿
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO). A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
War Makes The Economy Must Grow¡
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.Well, put it this way, if you fuck The Economy Must Grow hard enough that the place becomes an absolute shithole, you could well deter potential invaders, it’s working for the USSA and the UK right now, why not make it the full USUKAU oh wait that’s exactly it, they just rearranged the order.
Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
I mean, who wants nuclear aeroplanes?
United States Air Force Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper
roughbarked said:
dv said:
For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
Right but since we got them Australia hasn’t been invaded now has it¿ So they work.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
Right but since we got them Australia hasn’t been invaded now has it¿ So they work.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
The F111 turned out pretty well in the end. As has/will the F35. With US gear you pay a lot of money for the top spec stuff, it gets delivered late and with bugs, but eventually you get what you paid for. Much better track record than European stuff, which is often trash when it is first delivered and stays trash until it is replaced. Their philosophy is more about creating jobs than creating stuff that works.
I guess if you really want mid-range stuff that works, not super expensive and super high-tech, then you have to build it yourself.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
The F111 turned out pretty well in the end. As has/will the F35. With US gear you pay a lot of money for the top spec stuff, it gets delivered late and with bugs, but eventually you get what you paid for. Much better track record than European stuff, which is often trash when it is first delivered and stays trash until it is replaced. Their philosophy is more about creating jobs than creating stuff that works.
I guess if you really want mid-range stuff that works, not super expensive and super high-tech, then you have to build it yourself.
We are basically buying a prototype that is finished off here at great expense and by the time it is just right, we have to buy the new model.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
The F111 turned out pretty well in the end. As has/will the F35. With US gear you pay a lot of money for the top spec stuff, it gets delivered late and with bugs, but eventually you get what you paid for. Much better track record than European stuff, which is often trash when it is first delivered and stays trash until it is replaced. Their philosophy is more about creating jobs than creating stuff that works.
I guess if you really want mid-range stuff that works, not super expensive and super high-tech, then you have to build it yourself.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
The F111 turned out pretty well in the end. As has/will the F35. With US gear you pay a lot of money for the top spec stuff, it gets delivered late and with bugs, but eventually you get what you paid for. Much better track record than European stuff, which is often trash when it is first delivered and stays trash until it is replaced. Their philosophy is more about creating jobs than creating stuff that works.
I guess if you really want mid-range stuff that works, not super expensive and super high-tech, then you have to build it yourself.
We are basically buying a prototype that is finished off here at great expense and by the time it is just right, we have to buy the new model.
So yes, we should do what Holden did and buy the kit and build it here.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:It has been the same all my life. We suck up to the Americans and pay through the nose for something that always keeps costing more of the same.
I remember when we knocked back the French Sabre and took up the F-111 instead and what a nightmare that turned out to be.
The F111 turned out pretty well in the end. As has/will the F35. With US gear you pay a lot of money for the top spec stuff, it gets delivered late and with bugs, but eventually you get what you paid for. Much better track record than European stuff, which is often trash when it is first delivered and stays trash until it is replaced. Their philosophy is more about creating jobs than creating stuff that works.
I guess if you really want mid-range stuff that works, not super expensive and super high-tech, then you have to build it yourself.
Yep the F-111 was a top aircraft as is the F-35.
Not saying that it didn’t end up doing what it promised. Just saying that it took its time and cost a lot.
“The SSN-AUKUS is a planned class of nuclear-powered fleet submarine (SSN) intended to enter service with the United Kingdom’s Royal Navy in the late 2030s and Royal Australian Navy in the 2040s. The class will replace the UK’s Astute class and Australia’s Collins class submarines.”
Wait …
Don’t the Americans want any?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:The F111 turned out pretty well in the end. As has/will the F35. With US gear you pay a lot of money for the top spec stuff, it gets delivered late and with bugs, but eventually you get what you paid for. Much better track record than European stuff, which is often trash when it is first delivered and stays trash until it is replaced. Their philosophy is more about creating jobs than creating stuff that works.
I guess if you really want mid-range stuff that works, not super expensive and super high-tech, then you have to build it yourself.
Yep the F-111 was a top aircraft as is the F-35.Not saying that it didn’t end up doing what it promised. Just saying that it took its time and cost a lot.
Yep they had problems with the swing wing mechanism to start with I believe.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:The F111 turned out pretty well in the end. As has/will the F35. With US gear you pay a lot of money for the top spec stuff, it gets delivered late and with bugs, but eventually you get what you paid for. Much better track record than European stuff, which is often trash when it is first delivered and stays trash until it is replaced. Their philosophy is more about creating jobs than creating stuff that works.
I guess if you really want mid-range stuff that works, not super expensive and super high-tech, then you have to build it yourself.
We are basically buying a prototype that is finished off here at great expense and by the time it is just right, we have to buy the new model.
So yes, we should do what Holden did and buy the kit and build it here.
we had two aircraft manufacturers in fishermans bend.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:We are basically buying a prototype that is finished off here at great expense and by the time it is just right, we have to buy the new model.
So yes, we should do what Holden did and buy the kit and build it here.
we had two aircraft manufacturers in fishermans bend.
We did.
dv said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
An almost $123 billion “contingency” has been set aside for Australia’s largest ever defence project, according to a new analysis of the AUKUS nuclear submarine program prepared by the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).
A breakdown of costs for the $368 billion nuclear-powered submarine program reveals Defence has included a provision for a 50 per cent contingency of $123 billion, which is not allocated by year but instead “is triggered on the occurrence of a contingent event”.
Under the AUKUS plan unveiled by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in San Diego last month, Australia will acquire at least three Virginia-class submarines early next decade, pending US Congressional approval.
Greens Senator David Shoebridge, whose party requested the PBO analysis, has described the revelations of a 50 per cent contingency in the project as “extraordinary” and questioned whether the total cost could eventually reach half-a-trillion dollars.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-28/defence-reveals-50-per-cent-contingency-for-cost-overruns-inside/102275806
It does seem like an extraordinary amount for an economy our size to pay for eight vessels. I’m not a military person so perhaps I should hoe my own row, but $368 billion is a big chunk compared even to pie in the sky megaprojects that people normally gasp and choke on. Completely decarbonise the Australian economy: 140 billion. High Speed Rail from Melbourne to Brisbane: 70 billion.
I don’t know shit about fuck but I hope this really does greatly increase our national security because this single program is the biggest thing Australia’s ever bought.Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
Kingy said:
dv said:
party_pants said:Yeah, gotta wonder why it costs so much for what is essentially already existing technology. It is not like we are developing it from scratch.
Maybe forget nuclear subs and go with a few small aircraft carriers instead…? For the same money we could get rather a lot of ships and planes. As long as they are conventionally powered and not nuclear.
For that kind of money you’d want them nuclear armed not just nuclear powered.
It sure is more fuct than we thought it could be when a hit song was ‘eve of destruction’.
Footage is starting to appear on social media from Kyle’s wedding.
Peak Warming Man said:
Footage is starting to appear on social media from Kyle’s wedding.
Who is Kyle?
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Footage is starting to appear on social media from Kyle’s wedding.
Who is Kyle?
More to the point, who did he marry?
Peak Warming Man said:
Footage is starting to appear on social media from Kyle’s wedding.
I’ve been boycotting it.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Footage is starting to appear on social media from Kyle’s wedding.
Who is Kyle?
The Shock-Jock on the right.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Footage is starting to appear on social media from Kyle’s wedding.
Who is Kyle?
The Shock-Jock on the right.
Oh, that fat fuck.
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4k
This scene in Utopia is from 6 years ago.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4kThis scene in Utopia is from 6 years ago.
It did have it’s moments.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4kThis scene in Utopia is from 6 years ago.
It did have it’s moments.
Yeah, wasn’t a big fan but that scene certainly aged well.
Should that be a :) or a :(
dv said:
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4kThis scene in Utopia is from 6 years ago.
Thanks. That made me smile.
:)
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4kThis scene in Utopia is from 6 years ago.
Thanks. That made me smile.
:)
:)
Me too and then I went and clicked on Russell Coight’s how to hunt
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/sgspkxfkS4kThis scene in Utopia is from 6 years ago.
Thanks. That made me smile.
:)
:)
Me too and then I went and clicked on Russell Coight’s how to hunt
I’ve seen most of Russel’s work, he’s an old mate of mine.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Thanks. That made me smile.
:)
:)
Me too and then I went and clicked on Russell Coight’s how to hunt
I’ve seen most of Russel’s work, he’s an old mate of mine.
Yeah he’s a cunny funt.
Should start a thread for May maybe?
Anyway; LinkMore than 700 infrastructure projects set up by the former government face possible cancellation as a three-month investigation is ordered by the federal minister.
Infrastructure Minister Catherine King said the former government added hundreds of projects to the infrastructure pipeline without committing funding for their completion, including 160 projects with less than $5 million attached.
“A lot of them are completely underfunded,” Ms King told the ABC’s AM program.
“There’s billions of dollars that are needed to actually deliver all of the projects in the pipeline.
“That’s new money we would have to find, and we’re just simply not in a position to say today, ‘Can we deliver each and every one of those projects, and have we got enough money to do so?’”
ERROL PARKER | Editor-at-large
The Prime Minister has come under fire for attending the wedding of controversial FM radio shock jock Kyle Sandilands over the weekend. However, Anthony Albanese remains unmoved by the criticisms as he described Mr. Sandilands as a “great Australian” in the lead-up to the nuptials.
Speaking to The Advocate this morning, the Prime Minister laughed off suggestions that he should have politely declined.
“Look, Kyle is living proof that you can go from Brisbane’s Bayside all the way to the top,” said Mr. Albanese.
“His story is inspirational. Which is why when Kyle asked me to be the body sushi model at his wedding, I was more than happy to do that for Kyle. So on the Friday night before the wedding, I, uh, stripped off into the nude and covered myself in the Veet stuff. I had never heard of it before, but it leaves you hairless, like some sort of dolphin. I jumped in the pool out the front of Admiralty House on Saturday morning to see if I could swim fast. I could. I was even making these clicking noises, and, you know, how the dolphins go ‘eeee eeee eee’ like two Styrofoam boxes scraping together, I was doing that.”
“So I was nice and hairless and ready for the nyotaimori, which is Japanese for body sushi. People were eating sushi off my naked body all night. It was hilarious, and I was more than happy to do that for Kyle. Even (NSW Premier) Chris Minns came over to say ‘hi,’ and he ate the nigiri off my nipples. No chopsticks or anything, he just bent over and hoovered the things clean off my areolas.”
“It was a magical evening, and I was glad to be invited.”
Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
SCIENCE said:
Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
So what are your thoughts on the voice?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
So what are your thoughts on the voice?
I’m sure it is a complex matter but given that it seems the majority of indigenous people are in favour of it, I’m not going to be the one to thwart them.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
So what are your thoughts on the voice?
I’m sure it is a complex matter but given that it seems the majority of indigenous people are in favour of it, I’m not going to be the one to thwart them.
Same here. They have suffered too long.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
So what are your thoughts on the voice?
I’m sure it is a complex matter but given that it seems the majority of indigenous people are in favour of it, I’m not going to be the one to thwart them.
I don’t want to hang out with the NO people at a party.
SCIENCE said:
Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
Eventually the aim is to arrive at a decision, after which diversity of opinion can GAGF.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
Eventually the aim is to arrive at a decision, after which diversity of opinion can GAGF.
They’ll just have to learn how to live with it.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:So what are your thoughts on the voice?
I’m sure it is a complex matter but given that it seems the majority of indigenous people are in favour of it, I’m not going to be the one to thwart them.
I don’t want to hang out with the NO people at a party.
There’s a sector of the indigenous community opposed to the Voice for all kinds of reasons so I’m not drawing a big line in the sand.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I’m sure it is a complex matter but given that it seems the majority of indigenous people are in favour of it, I’m not going to be the one to thwart them.
I don’t want to hang out with the NO people at a party.
There’s a sector of the indigenous community opposed to the Voice for all kinds of reasons so I’m not drawing a big line in the sand.
This Facebook person is from Arizona, responding to criticism of US gun laws, thinking he is making critical hits with his Fox News talking points.
Arizona suffered 33000 Covid deaths. Their death rate was approximately 5 times those of Australia.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I’m sure it is a complex matter but given that it seems the majority of indigenous people are in favour of it, I’m not going to be the one to thwart them.
I don’t want to hang out with the NO people at a party.
There’s a sector of the indigenous community opposed to the Voice for all kinds of reasons so I’m not drawing a big line in the sand.
They are 100% together on the fact that this is their land and they are willing to share it with us.
dv said:
This Facebook person is from Arizona, responding to criticism of US gun laws, thinking he is making critical hits with his Fox News talking points.Arizona suffered 33000 Covid deaths. Their death rate was approximately 5 times those of Australia.
Tamb said:
dv said:
This Facebook person is from Arizona, responding to criticism of US gun laws, thinking he is making critical hits with his Fox News talking points.Arizona suffered 33000 Covid deaths. Their death rate was approximately 5 times those of Australia.
With a population of 7.15 million
Clearly they had it in spades.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
Eventually the aim is to arrive at a decision, after which diversity of opinion can GAGF.
They’ll just have to learn how to live with it.
Sounds like quantum mechanical wavefunction collapse.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
dv said:
This Facebook person is from Arizona, responding to criticism of US gun laws, thinking he is making critical hits with his Fox News talking points.Arizona suffered 33000 Covid deaths. Their death rate was approximately 5 times those of Australia.
With a population of 7.15 millionClearly they had it in spades.
grim
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
So what are your thoughts on the voice?
Joking aside we think first nations people should have adequate representation and being currently inadequate then if this is a step in the right direction then take it.
Makes sense,
Bridget McKenzie says unwinding infrastructure projects will hurt the economy and fail to solve budget issues.
clearly stopping shit projects that generate negative expected value can only harm The Economy Must Grow, the more projects the better¡
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Ah well it’s good to have debate and a diversity of opinions.
So what are your thoughts on the voice?
Joking aside we think first nations people should have adequate representation and being currently inadequate then if this is a step in the right direction then take it.
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SCIENCE said:
Makes sense,
Bridget McKenzie says unwinding infrastructure projects will hurt the economy and fail to solve budget issues.
clearly stopping shit projects that generate negative expected value can only harm The Economy Must Grow, the more projects the better¡
They didn’t win the coalition the election. More to the point.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
So what are your thoughts on the voice?
Joking aside we think first nations people should have adequate representation and being currently inadequate then if this is a step in the right direction then take it.
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dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I’m sure it is a complex matter but given that it seems the majority of indigenous people are in favour of it, I’m not going to be the one to thwart them.
I don’t want to hang out with the NO people at a party.
There’s a sector of the indigenous community opposed to the Voice for all kinds of reasons so I’m not drawing a big line in the sand.
I get that, they have other goals and another agenda. But in the end I will have to consider to voting yes to TV is going to impede the achievement of those other goals. Is TV going to do harm etc…
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Joking aside we think first nations people should have adequate representation and being currently inadequate then if this is a step in the right direction then take it.
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Great care must be taken to avoid apartheid.
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dv said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:With a population of 7.15 million
Clearly they had it in spades.
grim
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party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I don’t want to hang out with the NO people at a party.
There’s a sector of the indigenous community opposed to the Voice for all kinds of reasons so I’m not drawing a big line in the sand.
I get that, they have other goals and another agenda. But in the end I will have to consider IF voting yes to TV is going to impede the achievement of those other goals. Is TV going to do harm etc…
corrected
party_pants said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:I don’t want to hang out with the NO people at a party.
There’s a sector of the indigenous community opposed to the Voice for all kinds of reasons so I’m not drawing a big line in the sand.
I get that, they have other goals and another agenda. But in the end I will have to consider to voting yes to TV is going to impede the achievement of those other goals. Is TV going to do harm etc…
I worked with the local women’s business. They came and asked me to show the kids what I knew in regard to the lore regading native plants and to encourage the young to know about the food and medicine values as well as the interest in the plants and how they interact with other food such as lizards and etc.
While we were doing a tree planting, I asked about that mob over there standing and watching us work. I was told simply that they won’t get involved in anything that looks like work. It would be best not to invite them to join in.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Joking aside we think first nations people should have adequate representation and being currently inadequate then if this is a step in the right direction then take it.
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Great care must be taken to avoid apartheid.
We have got that already though Tamb.
When I was at law school I went to a conference where I heard a paper that the government addressed the rising malnutrition rates of Indigenous children under The Intervention by ceasing to report those numbers.
The Closing the Gap numbers are very poor.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/2023-commonwealth-closing-gap-implementation-plan
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:✅
Great care must be taken to avoid apartheid.We have got that already though Tamb.
When I was at law school I went to a conference where I heard a paper that the government addressed the rising malnutrition rates of Indigenous children under The Intervention by ceasing to report those numbers.
The Closing the Gap numbers are very poor.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/2023-commonwealth-closing-gap-implementation-plan
Yes. This all hasn’t ever been fully addressd.
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:✅
Great care must be taken to avoid apartheid.We have got that already though Tamb.
When I was at law school I went to a conference where I heard a paper that the government addressed the rising malnutrition rates of Indigenous children under The Intervention by ceasing to report those numbers.
The Closing the Gap numbers are very poor.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/2023-commonwealth-closing-gap-implementation-plan
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Tamb said:Great care must be taken to avoid apartheid.
We have got that already though Tamb.
When I was at law school I went to a conference where I heard a paper that the government addressed the rising malnutrition rates of Indigenous children under The Intervention by ceasing to report those numbers.
The Closing the Gap numbers are very poor.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/2023-commonwealth-closing-gap-implementation-plan
That’s true. Alcohol bans in communities is another.
When the women of the community call for and enforce the alcohol bans I don’t have a problem with that. When it works it’s way through community and every one has buy in on the ground level that’s different from something being enforced which may or may not be useful or even relevant.
Making people walk along a highway to go to a designated drinking place, where members of the community are likely to get hit by passing cars isn’t of any use. Things have to be done by the community or in not tokenistic consultation.
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:We have got that already though Tamb.
When I was at law school I went to a conference where I heard a paper that the government addressed the rising malnutrition rates of Indigenous children under The Intervention by ceasing to report those numbers.
The Closing the Gap numbers are very poor.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/2023-commonwealth-closing-gap-implementation-plan
That’s true. Alcohol bans in communities is another.When the women of the community call for and enforce the alcohol bans I don’t have a problem with that. When it works it’s way through community and every one has buy in on the ground level that’s different from something being enforced which may or may not be useful or even relevant.
Making people walk along a highway to go to a designated drinking place, where members of the community are likely to get hit by passing cars isn’t of any use. Things have to be done by the community or in not tokenistic consultation.
Drug and alcohol counselling.
Specifically…
Senator Lidia Thorpe (formally Greens, now independent) is opposed to the Voice on Black Sovereignty grounds. She believes it is a distraction from the goal of a formal Treaty such as that obtained by the Maoris.
Senator Dorinda Cox, also of the Greens, also expressed concerns about the Voice in that she didn’t want to give cover to the ALP while they were continuing in policies she objected to in relation to Aboriginal artefacts. She’s since relented and has indicated she’ll back the Yes case.
Warren Mundine objects to the Voice, saying that indigenous people are already well-represented in parliament and that the Voice won’t reflect the real “gap” which is between urban aboriginals and remote/regional/rural aboriginals.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says that The Voice will lead to entrenched separatism, hinder cooperation.
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Tamb said:Great care must be taken to avoid apartheid.
We have got that already though Tamb.
When I was at law school I went to a conference where I heard a paper that the government addressed the rising malnutrition rates of Indigenous children under The Intervention by ceasing to report those numbers.
The Closing the Gap numbers are very poor.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/2023-commonwealth-closing-gap-implementation-plan
That’s true. Alcohol bans in communities is another.
Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
dv said:
Specifically…Senator Lidia Thorpe (formally Greens, now independent) is opposed to the Voice on Black Sovereignty grounds. She believes it is a distraction from the goal of a formal Treaty such as that obtained by the Maoris.
Senator Dorinda Cox, also of the Greens, also expressed concerns about the Voice in that she didn’t want to give cover to the ALP while they were continuing in policies she objected to in relation to Aboriginal artefacts. She’s since relented and has indicated she’ll back the Yes case.
Warren Mundine objects to the Voice, saying that indigenous people are already well-represented in parliament and that the Voice won’t reflect the real “gap” which is between urban aboriginals and remote/regional/rural aboriginals.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says that The Voice will lead to entrenched separatism, hinder cooperation.
Isn’t this what the voice does? Discuss?
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
Tamb said:That’s true. Alcohol bans in communities is another.
When the women of the community call for and enforce the alcohol bans I don’t have a problem with that. When it works it’s way through community and every one has buy in on the ground level that’s different from something being enforced which may or may not be useful or even relevant.
Making people walk along a highway to go to a designated drinking place, where members of the community are likely to get hit by passing cars isn’t of any use. Things have to be done by the community or in not tokenistic consultation.
Drug and alcohol counselling.
Dr Tracey Westernman is doing some interesting work in that space, particularly around suicide and she trains non-Indigenous mental health professionals how to respectfully engage using cultural protocols, as does Dr Judith Atkinson, Dr Carlie Atkinson and there’s so many others. Those trainings can make a huge difference to Indigenous people’s experiences. From even bothering to try to see someone to continuing engagement. So many communities have so many solutions it’s just getting things up and running in some spaces. In many others, it is the same hard workers just holding the line and continuing their work.
https://indigenouspsychservices.com.au/about/dr-tracy-westerman/
PermeateFree said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:We have got that already though Tamb.
When I was at law school I went to a conference where I heard a paper that the government addressed the rising malnutrition rates of Indigenous children under The Intervention by ceasing to report those numbers.
The Closing the Gap numbers are very poor.
https://www.niaa.gov.au/2023-commonwealth-closing-gap-implementation-plan
That’s true. Alcohol bans in communities is another.Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
dv said:
Specifically…Senator Lidia Thorpe (formally Greens, now independent) is opposed to the Voice on Black Sovereignty grounds. She believes it is a distraction from the goal of a formal Treaty such as that obtained by the Maoris.
Senator Dorinda Cox, also of the Greens, also expressed concerns about the Voice in that she didn’t want to give cover to the ALP while they were continuing in policies she objected to in relation to Aboriginal artefacts. She’s since relented and has indicated she’ll back the Yes case.
Warren Mundine objects to the Voice, saying that indigenous people are already well-represented in parliament and that the Voice won’t reflect the real “gap” which is between urban aboriginals and remote/regional/rural aboriginals.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says that The Voice will lead to entrenched separatism, hinder cooperation.
This may already have been covered or whatever but we’re just innocent (or otherwise) SCIENCE and other STEM interests so please forgive our ignorance,
why can’t well represented urban Aboriginals use their Voice to advocate for remote/regional/rural Aboriginals and cooperate with each other instead of getting all separatist¿
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Specifically…Senator Lidia Thorpe (formally Greens, now independent) is opposed to the Voice on Black Sovereignty grounds. She believes it is a distraction from the goal of a formal Treaty such as that obtained by the Maoris.
Senator Dorinda Cox, also of the Greens, also expressed concerns about the Voice in that she didn’t want to give cover to the ALP while they were continuing in policies she objected to in relation to Aboriginal artefacts. She’s since relented and has indicated she’ll back the Yes case.
Warren Mundine objects to the Voice, saying that indigenous people are already well-represented in parliament and that the Voice won’t reflect the real “gap” which is between urban aboriginals and remote/regional/rural aboriginals.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says that The Voice will lead to entrenched separatism, hinder cooperation.Isn’t this what the voice does? Discuss?
I’m not advocating for these positions. I’m just giving a sampler of some of the objections to the Voice from indigenous people.
Polling by Ipsos suggests that 80% of Indigenous people are on the Yes side. Obv, polls have margins of error, but at 80% it is a done deal: the vast majority of indigenous people support The Voice so that’s good enough for me.
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:
ms spock said:When the women of the community call for and enforce the alcohol bans I don’t have a problem with that. When it works it’s way through community and every one has buy in on the ground level that’s different from something being enforced which may or may not be useful or even relevant.
Making people walk along a highway to go to a designated drinking place, where members of the community are likely to get hit by passing cars isn’t of any use. Things have to be done by the community or in not tokenistic consultation.
Drug and alcohol counselling.
Dr Tracey Westernman is doing some interesting work in that space, particularly around suicide and she trains non-Indigenous mental health professionals how to respectfully engage using cultural protocols, as does Dr Judith Atkinson, Dr Carlie Atkinson and there’s so many others. Those trainings can make a huge difference to Indigenous people’s experiences. From even bothering to try to see someone to continuing engagement. So many communities have so many solutions it’s just getting things up and running in some spaces. In many others, it is the same hard workers just holding the line and continuing their work.
https://indigenouspsychservices.com.au/about/dr-tracy-westerman/
Yes There are a lot of people who are helping. I have a good friend who has spent a lot of time in remote aboriginal communnities, regarding health. I have another who has been a teacher in the northern territory for the past fifty years, remote aboriginal communities..
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Specifically…Senator Lidia Thorpe (formally Greens, now independent) is opposed to the Voice on Black Sovereignty grounds. She believes it is a distraction from the goal of a formal Treaty such as that obtained by the Maoris.
Senator Dorinda Cox, also of the Greens, also expressed concerns about the Voice in that she didn’t want to give cover to the ALP while they were continuing in policies she objected to in relation to Aboriginal artefacts. She’s since relented and has indicated she’ll back the Yes case.
Warren Mundine objects to the Voice, saying that indigenous people are already well-represented in parliament and that the Voice won’t reflect the real “gap” which is between urban aboriginals and remote/regional/rural aboriginals.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says that The Voice will lead to entrenched separatism, hinder cooperation.Isn’t this what the voice does? Discuss?
I’m not advocating for these positions. I’m just giving a sampler of some of the objections to the Voice from indigenous people.
Polling by Ipsos suggests that 80% of Indigenous people are on the Yes side. Obv, polls have margins of error, but at 80% it is a done deal: the vast majority of indigenous people support The Voice so that’s good enough for me.
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roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Tamb said:That’s true. Alcohol bans in communities is another.
Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Well they don’t want them in their community causing trouble for all. If we gave authority to the elders to manage and discipline, they could at least pack them off to a bush rehabilitation area created to enhance their culture and stimulate Aboriginal values.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Well they don’t want them in their community causing trouble for all. If we gave authority to the elders to manage and discipline, they could at least pack them off to a bush rehabilitation area created to enhance their culture and stimulate Aboriginal values.
I think it is also pretty rich for Parliament to be hectoring anyone on the topic of sexual violence or drunkenness before they put their own house in order…
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Well they don’t want them in their community causing trouble for all. If we gave authority to the elders to manage and discipline, they could at least pack them off to a bush rehabilitation area created to enhance their culture and stimulate Aboriginal values.
True.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Well they don’t want them in their community causing trouble for all. If we gave authority to the elders to manage and discipline, they could at least pack them off to a bush rehabilitation area created to enhance their culture and stimulate Aboriginal values.
I think it is also pretty rich for Parliament to be hectoring anyone on the topic of sexual violence or drunkenness before they put their own house in order…
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roughbarked said:
ms spock said:
roughbarked said:Drug and alcohol counselling.
Dr Tracey Westernman is doing some interesting work in that space, particularly around suicide and she trains non-Indigenous mental health professionals how to respectfully engage using cultural protocols, as does Dr Judith Atkinson, Dr Carlie Atkinson and there’s so many others. Those trainings can make a huge difference to Indigenous people’s experiences. From even bothering to try to see someone to continuing engagement. So many communities have so many solutions it’s just getting things up and running in some spaces. In many others, it is the same hard workers just holding the line and continuing their work.
https://indigenouspsychservices.com.au/about/dr-tracy-westerman/
Yes There are a lot of people who are helping. I have a good friend who has spent a lot of time in remote aboriginal communnities, regarding health. I have another who has been a teacher in the northern territory for the past fifty years, remote aboriginal communities..
These were actual community members who are leading the work and showing non-Indigenous mental health professionals about how to engage in culturally respectful ways. That aside I hear leaders talk and they mention both the Indigenous and non-Indigenous people who are working hard to change things. So they are certainly appreciated.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Well they don’t want them in their community causing trouble for all. If we gave authority to the elders to manage and discipline, they could at least pack them off to a bush rehabilitation area created to enhance their culture and stimulate Aboriginal values.
There was a lot available but Howard did budget cuts that got rid of many successful programmes.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Tamb said:That’s true. Alcohol bans in communities is another.
Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Once a person is an alcoholic, alcohol is no longer a drug of choice. It is their drug of dependence.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Well they don’t want them in their community causing trouble for all. If we gave authority to the elders to manage and discipline, they could at least pack them off to a bush rehabilitation area created to enhance their culture and stimulate Aboriginal values.
I think it is also pretty rich for Parliament to be hectoring anyone on the topic of sexual violence or drunkenness before they put their own house in order…
Fair comment.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Once a person is an alcoholic, alcohol is no longer a drug of choice. It is their drug of dependence.
However with assistance, motivation and determination, alcoholics can and often do give it away and not drink alcohol again.
ms spock said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Well they don’t want them in their community causing trouble for all. If we gave authority to the elders to manage and discipline, they could at least pack them off to a bush rehabilitation area created to enhance their culture and stimulate Aboriginal values.
There was a lot available but Howard did budget cuts that got rid of many successful programmes.
I don’t think Howard did much that actually helped aboriginal communities.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Many Aboriginal communities ban alcohol themselves knowing full well that it can wreck them. Nevertheless, there are some who use the apartheid argument to make it legal to introduce it regardless of the outcome.
Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Once a person is an alcoholic, alcohol is no longer a drug of choice. It is their drug of dependence.
correct.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Once a person is an alcoholic, alcohol is no longer a drug of choice. It is their drug of dependence.
However with assistance, motivation and determination, alcoholics can and often do give it away and not drink alcohol again.
also correct.
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:Itn is often difficult to separate alcoholics from their drug of choice.
Once a person is an alcoholic, alcohol is no longer a drug of choice. It is their drug of dependence.
However with assistance, motivation and determination, alcoholics can and often do give it away and not drink alcohol again.
There is next to nothing that we have done to enforce our law and order on Aborigines which has given them assistance, motivation and determination and it is about time we thought of doing so if we ever want to reach a workable relationship with them.
dv said:
Specifically…Senator Lidia Thorpe (formally Greens, now independent) is opposed to the Voice on Black Sovereignty grounds. She believes it is a distraction from the goal of a formal Treaty such as that obtained by the Maoris.
Senator Dorinda Cox, also of the Greens, also expressed concerns about the Voice in that she didn’t want to give cover to the ALP while they were continuing in policies she objected to in relation to Aboriginal artefacts. She’s since relented and has indicated she’ll back the Yes case.
Warren Mundine objects to the Voice, saying that indigenous people are already well-represented in parliament and that the Voice won’t reflect the real “gap” which is between urban aboriginals and remote/regional/rural aboriginals.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says that The Voice will lead to entrenched separatism, hinder cooperation.
I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
There is always a divide between urban and regional/rural Australia. Be it indigenous people or not. Providing an equivalent level of infrastructure and services to both is just not feasible. For everyone else, living in regional/remote areas means accepting a lower level of service provision as just a natural consequence of living there. Usually put down to a matter of personal choice.
Not sure about the other two.
party_pants said:
I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Specifically…
Senator Lidia Thorpe (formally Greens, now independent) is opposed to the Voice on Black Sovereignty grounds. She believes it is a distraction from the goal of a formal Treaty such as that obtained by the Maoris.
Senator Dorinda Cox, also of the Greens, also expressed concerns about the Voice in that she didn’t want to give cover to the ALP while they were continuing in policies she objected to in relation to Aboriginal artefacts. She’s since relented and has indicated she’ll back the Yes case.
Warren Mundine objects to the Voice, saying that indigenous people are already well-represented in parliament and that the Voice won’t reflect the real “gap” which is between urban aboriginals and remote/regional/rural aboriginals.
Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says that The Voice will lead to entrenched separatism, hinder cooperation.I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
There is always a divide between urban and regional/rural Australia. Be it indigenous people or not. Providing an equivalent level of infrastructure and services to both is just not feasible. For everyone else, living in regional/remote areas means accepting a lower level of service provision as just a natural consequence of living there. Usually put down to a matter of personal choice.
Not sure about the other two.
Hence our need for someone wise to explain to stupid us why can’t well represented urban Aboriginals use their Voice to advocate for remote/regional/rural Aboriginals and cooperate with each other instead of getting all separatist¿
And yes sovereignty or no we don’t really subscribe to this idea that even if partial benefits distract from full benefits, small improvements are useless unless they’re maximal perfect improvement. We’ll allow that sometimes improvement is not monotonic, but we’re doubtful that it is the case here.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
Agree.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
I don’t equate Treaty with Sovereignty. It is not a denial of history. I am well aware of history, probably moreso than your average Aussie. But you can’t undo the past, all you can do is build a better future. I don’t support anything that seeks to turn the clock back to how things were before white settlement, that just will not be workable.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
I don’t equate Treaty with Sovereignty. It is not a denial of history. I am well aware of history, probably moreso than your average Aussie. But you can’t undo the past, all you can do is build a better future. I don’t support anything that seeks to turn the clock back to how things were before white settlement, that just will not be workable.
Well after 250 years of our failed Aboriginal management, you apparently do not feel obligated to any recompense, let alone recognise these people who lived in this country for around 65,000 years, yet despite all, do not deserve any special recognition?
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
I don’t equate Treaty with Sovereignty. It is not a denial of history. I am well aware of history, probably moreso than your average Aussie. But you can’t undo the past, all you can do is build a better future. I don’t support anything that seeks to turn the clock back to how things were before white settlement, that just will not be workable.
Well after 250 years of our failed Aboriginal management, you apparently do not feel obligated to any recompense, let alone recognise these people who lived in this country for around 65,000 years, yet despite all, do not deserve any special recognition?
Nobody deserves special recognition, but we’re happy to recognise first nations people proportionately to their 2 terasecond history of occupancy.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
I don’t equate Treaty with Sovereignty. It is not a denial of history. I am well aware of history, probably moreso than your average Aussie. But you can’t undo the past, all you can do is build a better future. I don’t support anything that seeks to turn the clock back to how things were before white settlement, that just will not be workable.
Well after 250 years of our failed Aboriginal management, you apparently do not feel obligated to any recompense, let alone recognise these people who lived in this country for around 65,000 years, yet despite all, do not deserve any special recognition?
There’s a lot to unpack in that. The first 200 years or so were terrible, andthat was all supposed to change in 1967, but it has been slow progress. There is no disputing that aboriginal people have lived here for tens of thousands of years prior to white settlement, and were treated very badly. I know the history of battles and massacres by settlers. I am not sure where you get the idea from that there is any denialism going on about that.
My concern about special recognition is that we shouldn’t create a permanent class of citizens who have different rights and different laws apply to them, based upon their ancestry or race. That never ends well. In a democratic system, everybody is equal before the law, and the same laws apply to everyone. I am very wary about entrenching any sort of race or class based special category, I think it undermines the very foundation of democracy in the long term.
For me, upholding democracy is the more important consideration over trying to undo what happened in the past by people that are no longer living or in positions of power. There should be a way of solving problems whilst preserving democracy.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
I don’t equate Treaty with Sovereignty. It is not a denial of history. I am well aware of history, probably moreso than your average Aussie. But you can’t undo the past, all you can do is build a better future. I don’t support anything that seeks to turn the clock back to how things were before white settlement, that just will not be workable.
Well after 250 years of our failed Aboriginal management, you apparently do not feel obligated to any recompense, let alone recognise these people who lived in this country for around 65,000 years, yet despite all, do not deserve any special recognition?
Nobody deserves special recognition, but we’re happy to recognise first nations people proportionately to their 2 terasecond history of occupancy.
>>Nobody deserves special recognition<< Except us of course, who stole their land, killed most of them off in various ways, largely destroyed their culture and passed laws that favored us at their expense. Can’t say I agree with your assessment of history.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
Well after 250 years of our failed Aboriginal management, you apparently do not feel obligated to any recompense, let alone recognise these people who lived in this country for around 65,000 years, yet despite all, do not deserve any special recognition?
Nobody deserves special recognition, but we’re happy to recognise first nations people proportionately to their 2 terasecond history of occupancy.
>>Nobody deserves special recognition<< Except us of course, who stole their land, killed most of them off in various ways, largely destroyed their culture and passed laws that favored us at their expense. Can’t say I agree with your assessment of history.
You’re right, here are a couple of examples of deserved special recognition,
people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any state, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws
where the first nations peoples are given special treatment,
people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any state, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws
which unfortunately were removed years ago but as you suggest should have been retained.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:I don’t equate Treaty with Sovereignty. It is not a denial of history. I am well aware of history, probably moreso than your average Aussie. But you can’t undo the past, all you can do is build a better future. I don’t support anything that seeks to turn the clock back to how things were before white settlement, that just will not be workable.
Well after 250 years of our failed Aboriginal management, you apparently do not feel obligated to any recompense, let alone recognise these people who lived in this country for around 65,000 years, yet despite all, do not deserve any special recognition?
There’s a lot to unpack in that. The first 200 years or so were terrible, andthat was all supposed to change in 1967, but it has been slow progress. There is no disputing that aboriginal people have lived here for tens of thousands of years prior to white settlement, and were treated very badly. I know the history of battles and massacres by settlers. I am not sure where you get the idea from that there is any denialism going on about that.
My concern about special recognition is that we shouldn’t create a permanent class of citizens who have different rights and different laws apply to them, based upon their ancestry or race. That never ends well. In a democratic system, everybody is equal before the law, and the same laws apply to everyone. I am very wary about entrenching any sort of race or class based special category, I think it undermines the very foundation of democracy in the long term.
For me, upholding democracy is the more important consideration over trying to undo what happened in the past by people that are no longer living or in positions of power. There should be a way of solving problems whilst preserving democracy.
There is a statement on most government forms that asks if you are of Aboriginal or Torres Strait decent. This recognises that these people are at a distinct disadvantage in the world we have created, and they will give special consideration to them because of it. Therefore, currently it is not the ideal democracy you would like to foster. We as the newcomer have organised our social system to suit ourselves, whilst largely disregarding the considerable differences between their and our cultures, yet you expect them to totally conform to our culture, whilst we continue to ignore theirs.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/01/we-got-educated-and-exploited-nadia-sheriffs-35000-loan-has-only-reduced-to-32800-after-20-years
Economist Contributes To Productivity Growth
SCIENCE said:
Economist Contributes To Productivity Growth
(shrugs)
I think these people have their heads right up their arses. We are at full employment. Economic participation among young people is at record highs. Young people are working two and three gigs.
Motivation is not the problem.
Don’t know if true but if not then it’s a good idea we should just kill more aged care parasites, may as well bulldoze them into pits.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Economist Contributes To Productivity Growth
(shrugs)
I think these people have their heads right up their arses. We are at full employment. Economic participation among young people is at record highs. Young people are working two and three gigs.
Motivation is not the problem.
For what it’s worth this is the same arsehole who when even most other economists realised oh fuck disabling 10% of the remaining population each round might be a bad idea was still out there calling for a mass cull; maybe we exaggerate but not much.
SCIENCE said:
Don’t know if true but if not then it’s a good idea we should just kill more aged care parasites, may as well bulldoze them into pits.
Qld go full Sweden?
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:
Michael V said:Once a person is an alcoholic, alcohol is no longer a drug of choice. It is their drug of dependence.
However with assistance, motivation and determination, alcoholics can and often do give it away and not drink alcohol again.
There is next to nothing that we have done to enforce our law and order on Aborigines which has given them assistance, motivation and determination and it is about time we thought of doing so if we ever want to reach a workable relationship with them.
agree.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
Well spoken.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:I don’t subscribe to aboriginal sovereignty. So that argument can go.
After Voice, I think Treaty is a logical next step. I also strongly subscribe to the idea that Truth is fundamental part to white Australia coming to terms with its history.
I don’t equate Treaty with Sovereignty. It is not a denial of history. I am well aware of history, probably moreso than your average Aussie. But you can’t undo the past, all you can do is build a better future. I don’t support anything that seeks to turn the clock back to how things were before white settlement, that just will not be workable.
Most all the Aboriginal community would agree with you. Lydia is an outlier but she will see where the reality lies.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Economist Contributes To Productivity Growth
(shrugs)
I think these people have their heads right up their arses. We are at full employment. Economic participation among young people is at record highs. Young people are working two and three gigs.
Motivation is not the problem.
agree.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/treasurer-refuses-to-confirm-jobseeker-lift-for-people-over-55/102290338
What a weird idea.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/treasurer-refuses-to-confirm-jobseeker-lift-for-people-over-55/102290338What a weird idea.
Which part?
kii said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/treasurer-refuses-to-confirm-jobseeker-lift-for-people-over-55/102290338What a weird idea.
Which part?
Not raising if for under-55s. Young people are more likely to be renters, less likely to have swags of dough and connections to fall back on. Why would they need the money less than over 55s?
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/treasurer-refuses-to-confirm-jobseeker-lift-for-people-over-55/102290338What a weird idea.
Which part?
Not raising if for under-55s. Young people are more likely to be renters, less likely to have swags of dough and connections to fall back on. Why would they need the money less than over 55s?
I heard the over-55 women were a factor. Poverty amongst that group is very high.
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/treasurer-refuses-to-confirm-jobseeker-lift-for-people-over-55/102290338What a weird idea.
Which part?
Not raising if for under-55s. Young people are more likely to be renters, less likely to have swags of dough and connections to fall back on. Why would they need the money less than over 55s?
Over 55s are a disadvantaged group that are far more likely to be long term unemployed than under 55s.
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:Which part?
Not raising if for under-55s. Young people are more likely to be renters, less likely to have swags of dough and connections to fall back on. Why would they need the money less than over 55s?
I heard the over-55 women were a factor. Poverty amongst that group is very high.
Anyone on Jobseeker is pretty much automatically in a poverty group.
This idea verges on discrimination. ‘Positive discrimination’, perhaps, but discrimination nonetheless.
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-02/treasurer-refuses-to-confirm-jobseeker-lift-for-people-over-55/102290338What a weird idea.
Which part?
Not raising if for under-55s. Young people are more likely to be renters, less likely to have swags of dough and connections to fall back on. Why would they need the money less than over 55s?
job seekers are paid about 70% of an equivalent person on the elder-dole
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
kii said:Which part?
Not raising if for under-55s. Young people are more likely to be renters, less likely to have swags of dough and connections to fall back on. Why would they need the money less than over 55s?
job seekers are paid about 70% of an equivalent person on the elder-dole
so are you fur me or agin me?
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:Not raising if for under-55s. Young people are more likely to be renters, less likely to have swags of dough and connections to fall back on. Why would they need the money less than over 55s?
job seekers are paid about 70% of an equivalent person on the elder-dole
so are you fur me or agin me?
4 U
younger people on social security payments (job seeker, youth allowance, etc..) are doing it really tough and I don;t really understand why there is a difference in the level of payment.
Did you know that students can’t receive youth allowance (the AUStudy you and I got) until they are 22 or if they can proved they are “indipendent” (whcih essentially means your parents are dead or in jail)? Up until then there is no payment at all available for students – it’s simply expected that young adults will work full time and/or be 100% supported by their parents.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:job seekers are paid about 70% of an equivalent person on the elder-dole
so are you fur me or agin me?
4 U
younger people on social security payments (job seeker, youth allowance, etc..) are doing it really tough and I don;t really understand why there is a difference in the level of payment.
Did you know that students can’t receive youth allowance (the AUStudy you and I got) until they are 22 or if they can proved they are “indipendent” (whcih essentially means your parents are dead or in jail)? Up until then there is no payment at all available for students – it’s simply expected that young adults will work full time and/or be 100% supported by their parents.
this is why we have to build big houses that allow them to stay at home for longer… or try to invest in property to give our children the benefits of having a roof over their head that is affordable… of kill them off early.
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:so are you fur me or agin me?
4 U
younger people on social security payments (job seeker, youth allowance, etc..) are doing it really tough and I don;t really understand why there is a difference in the level of payment.
Did you know that students can’t receive youth allowance (the AUStudy you and I got) until they are 22 or if they can proved they are “indipendent” (whcih essentially means your parents are dead or in jail)? Up until then there is no payment at all available for students – it’s simply expected that young adults will work full time and/or be 100% supported by their parents.
this is why we have to build big houses that allow them to stay at home for longer… or try to invest in property to give our children the benefits of having a roof over their head that is affordable… of kill them off early.
you could have told me that 20 years ago
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:so are you fur me or agin me?
4 U
younger people on social security payments (job seeker, youth allowance, etc..) are doing it really tough and I don;t really understand why there is a difference in the level of payment.
Did you know that students can’t receive youth allowance (the AUStudy you and I got) until they are 22 or if they can proved they are “indipendent” (whcih essentially means your parents are dead or in jail)? Up until then there is no payment at all available for students – it’s simply expected that young adults will work full time and/or be 100% supported by their parents.
this is why we have to build big houses that allow them to stay at home for longer… or try to invest in property to give our children the benefits of having a roof over their head that is affordable… of kill them off early.
Yes, the solution is for you and I to entrench our privilege for our clans.
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
diddly-squat said:4 U
younger people on social security payments (job seeker, youth allowance, etc..) are doing it really tough and I don;t really understand why there is a difference in the level of payment.
Did you know that students can’t receive youth allowance (the AUStudy you and I got) until they are 22 or if they can proved they are “indipendent” (whcih essentially means your parents are dead or in jail)? Up until then there is no payment at all available for students – it’s simply expected that young adults will work full time and/or be 100% supported by their parents.
this is why we have to build big houses that allow them to stay at home for longer… or try to invest in property to give our children the benefits of having a roof over their head that is affordable… of kill them off early.
you could have told me that 20 years ago
pretty sure I did…
I see Tony Abbott farted in the parliamentary committee, then left a smell.
