Date: 4/04/2023 13:15:42
From: dv
ID: 2015330
Subject: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

One of the most important projects of The International Ocean Discovery Program (IODP) is M2M: their plan to drill through the crust, past the Mohorovičić discontinuity and into the mantle.

The plan originally received formal support in 2012. Progress has been slow, but the program has conducted shallower drilling in order to characterise the three candidate sites.

Scientists do not have access to any pristine samples of the mantle. The closest they have are small pockets of mantle that have been brought to the surface by natural processes (in ophiolites), but these typically have suffered millions of years of metamorphism. It is hoped that a complete section of the crust and upper mantle will answer a number of questions about the volatiles balance of the mantle and the earth’s deep carbon cycle and water cycles, and their relation to the deep biosphere. At the moment there remains a lot of disagreement about what the Moho actually represents: is it a compositional or purely mechanical boundary? When I were in school it was said that it represented the end of basalts containing feldspars (the alumino-silicate mineral group that makes up half the crust), and the start of the domain of purely mafic (Fe/Mg rich) silicates, but it’s still not clear why that should create such a sharp boundary in seismic velocities.

The vessel that will probably used is the Chikyu: capable of drilling in 2500 m water depth, with 10000 m drill string length.

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The oceanic crust is on average 8 km thick, while the continental crust is around 40 km thick. This makes the oceanic crust a more appealing option as a path to the mantle. On the other hand, the oceanic crust tends to be harder and denser, and there are obvious operational disadvantages to running drilling operations at sea rather than land. The thinnest parts of the crust are immediately adjacent to mid-ocean ridges but the information that would be obtained there would be “atypical”. Away from the MORs, the thinnest parts of the crust are around 5.7 km thick.

The Kola superhole, created near the Norwegian-Russian border, is over 12 km deep but didn’t come anywhere remotely near the mantle.

The original Mohole project was launched in 1957, and successfully demonstrated that it was feasible to recover deep cores from the oceanic crust. The IODP has drilled dozens of holes in the oceanic crust now, the deepest being to 2200 metres below sea floor. A significant part of the program now is drilling in support of choosing a location for M2M.

IODP is supported mainly by: US National Science Foundation (NSF) Japanese Science and Education Ministry (MEXT) European Consortium for Ocean Research Drilling (ECORD)

with some additional funding from: Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology (MOST) Australia New Zealand OIDP Consortium (ANZIC) India’s Ministry of Earth Science (MoES)

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:20:26
From: Cymek
ID: 2015337
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Are the oceanic drills holes open to the water

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:24:06
From: dv
ID: 2015340
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Cymek said:


Are the oceanic drills holes open to the water

By design, they use the seawater to cool and clean the bits.

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:28:10
From: Cymek
ID: 2015344
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

dv said:


Cymek said:

Are the oceanic drills holes open to the water

By design, they use the seawater to cool and clean the bits.

OK that was what I was wondering, it would make sense

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:30:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2015346
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Cymek said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

Are the oceanic drills holes open to the water

By design, they use the seawater to cool and clean the bits.

OK that was what I was wondering, it would make sense

Yes. An old myth is that it is for lubrication but that’s only the one aspect.. there are lots more.

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:52:53
From: Kothos
ID: 2015363
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

If they pull the plug won’t the water drain out?

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:56:41
From: dv
ID: 2015364
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Kothos said:


If they pull the plug won’t the water drain out?

I saw this joke as well

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:57:25
From: Kothos
ID: 2015365
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

dv said:


Kothos said:

If they pull the plug won’t the water drain out?

I saw this joke as well

Excellent.

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Date: 4/04/2023 13:59:39
From: Cymek
ID: 2015367
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Kothos said:


dv said:

Kothos said:

If they pull the plug won’t the water drain out?

I saw this joke as well

Excellent.

Imagine if they broke through into some immense empty cavern

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Date: 4/04/2023 14:01:01
From: Kothos
ID: 2015369
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Cymek said:


Kothos said:

dv said:

I saw this joke as well

Excellent.

Imagine if they broke through into some immense empty cavern

Big enough to fit all the world’s water?

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Date: 4/04/2023 14:22:02
From: Cymek
ID: 2015373
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Kothos said:


Cymek said:

Kothos said:

Excellent.

Imagine if they broke through into some immense empty cavern

Big enough to fit all the world’s water?

Perhaps, compared to the size of the Earth it would only be quite small

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Date: 4/04/2023 14:24:32
From: esselte
ID: 2015374
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Cymek said:


Kothos said:

Cymek said:

Imagine if they broke through into some immense empty cavern

Big enough to fit all the world’s water?

Perhaps, compared to the size of the Earth it would only be quite small

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Date: 4/04/2023 14:24:57
From: dv
ID: 2015375
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Cymek said:


Kothos said:

dv said:

I saw this joke as well

Excellent.

Imagine if they broke through into some immense empty cavern

What would keep that cavern empty? Why would it not fill? The pressures on it would be immense.

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Date: 4/04/2023 14:29:16
From: Cymek
ID: 2015379
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

dv said:


Cymek said:

Kothos said:

Excellent.

Imagine if they broke through into some immense empty cavern

What would keep that cavern empty? Why would it not fill? The pressures on it would be immense.

So this scenario works out

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Date: 4/04/2023 14:38:50
From: dv
ID: 2015386
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Cymek said:


dv said:

Cymek said:

Imagine if they broke through into some immense empty cavern

What would keep that cavern empty? Why would it not fill? The pressures on it would be immense.

So this scenario works out

It doesn’t…

Even a hole a few hundred metres across will fill in quickly with fluids, pretty quickly be crushed.

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Date: 4/04/2023 15:16:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 2015395
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

You can strir it for a hundred years or more.

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Date: 6/04/2023 21:45:57
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2016407
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

esselte said:


Cymek said:

Kothos said:

Big enough to fit all the world’s water?

Perhaps, compared to the size of the Earth it would only be quite small


Pluto’s liquid water ocean is the same size as Earth’s.

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Date: 6/04/2023 21:49:56
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2016408
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

I love the old mohole project.

I really want to see this one work.

The main problem in the past has been the drill bits melting and drills jamming.

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Date: 7/04/2023 05:18:34
From: Michael V
ID: 2016522
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

mollwollfumble said:


esselte said:

Cymek said:

Perhaps, compared to the size of the Earth it would only be quite small


Pluto’s liquid water ocean is the same size as Earth’s.

I find your assertion astonishing. Could you please provide some references so I can read up about this?

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Date: 16/04/2023 12:18:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2019866
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

Michael V said:


mollwollfumble said:

esselte said:


Pluto’s liquid water ocean is the same size as Earth’s.

I find your assertion astonishing. Could you please provide some references so I can read up about this?

As for original references, you can look up Google scholar search as well as I can.

It was one of these.

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Date: 16/04/2023 12:22:53
From: dv
ID: 2019872
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

mollwollfumble said:


Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

Pluto’s liquid water ocean is the same size as Earth’s.

I find your assertion astonishing. Could you please provide some references so I can read up about this?

As for original references, you can look up Google scholar search as well as I can.

It was one of these.


We need some spacefaring Inge Lehmann to sort this out.

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Date: 16/04/2023 12:30:28
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2019882
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

From https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jgeography/130/4/130_130.483/_article/-char/ja/

In the 1950s, the aim of the original mantle drilling projects was to obtain oceanic mantle samples in order to address the unanswered question of what constitutes the Earth’s mantle. However, in the 21st century, it is widely accepted that the uppermost mantle is mainly composed of peridotite. Mantle drilling is the only way to obtain the oceanic crust from top to bottom and an active mantle sample from an oceanic plate. The crucial issues that can only be addressed by mantle drilling are: (1) limits of life in an oceanic plate and its controlling factors, and (2) formation process of an oceanic plate and its modification. Modification of an oceanic plate, especially the weakening of plate strength, is required for plate tectonics.

These two issues are interrelated. Long seismic profiles of oceanic plates reveal the diversity of Moho seismic reflection regions: clear, unclear, diffuse and non-Moho regions. Faults and/or fracturing in oceanic plates and subsequent seawater flow can modify oceanic plates locally, probably causing the diversity of oceanic Moho, as well as the rheological behavior of oceanic plates. Fluid flows along faults/fractures also extend the biosphere of oceanic plates. The first drilling sample should be a reference to the oceanic crust and the uppermost mantle, and define the nature of the Moho at the site, as well as constrain reasons for the diversity of the Moho in other areas. Deep sampling, such as mantle drilling in an old oceanic plate, can penetrate the biosphere/non-biosphere boundary, which tells us about the controlling factors of the limit of life.

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Date: 15/06/2023 19:53:16
From: dv
ID: 2043806
Subject: re: M2M: Mohole to Mantle

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/06/scientists-drill-earths-crust-collect-historic-samples-of-mantle/70295164007/

Geoscientists have made an unprecedented achievement on their 60-year quest to know more about Earth’s mysterious depths.

Pieces of Earth’s rocky mantle were collected by a drilling vessel called the JOIDES Resolution about a mile beneath the North Atlantic ocean floor at an underwater mountain called Atlantis Massif – located on a special “tectonic window” of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

“On Earth, mantle rock is normally extremely difficult to access,” JOIDES Resolution states on its website. “The Atlantis Massif offers a rare advantage to gain access to it, as it is comprised of mantle rocks that have been brought up closer to the surface through the process of ultra-slow seafloor spreading.”

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/06/scientists-drill-earths-crust-collect-historic-samples-of-mantle/70295164007/

I’m not particularly endorsing this reporting until I’ve examined the papers. Some boffins are dubious about the identification.

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