About time we moved from the past and into the present.
Keep it up. You’re all doing very well.
AussieDJ said:
Keep it up.
Sure, that’s what them there RBA are doing,
KPMG’s chief economist Brendan Rynne says the cash rate may need to rise one more time to bring inflation back under control in a timely way.
right¿ Wait, what
“The continuation of wages growth around 4 per cent per annum without a corresponding increase in productivity means these input costs are directly adding to inflationary pressures in a circular fashion,” he argued.
the fuck¿
Oh shit did someone say “without a corresponding increase in productivity”, god damn, something almost like saying there’s a problem on supply side, wow¿¡
SCIENCE said:
AussieDJ said:
Keep it up.
Sure, that’s what them there RBA are doing,
KPMG’s chief economist Brendan Rynne says the cash rate may need to rise one more time to bring inflation back under control in a timely way.
right¿ Wait, what
“The continuation of wages growth around 4 per cent per annum without a corresponding increase in productivity means these input costs are directly adding to inflationary pressures in a circular fashion,” he argued.
the fuck¿
Oh shit did someone say “without a corresponding increase in productivity”, god damn, something almost like saying there’s a problem on supply side, wow¿¡
It’s all the fault of the peasantry, and their so-called ‘wage growth’.
They seem to have some idea that we should pay them enough for them to be able to afford the prices we charge them.
SCIENCE said:
AussieDJ said:
Keep it up.
Sure, that’s what them there RBA are doing,
KPMG’s chief economist Brendan Rynne says the cash rate may need to rise one more time to bring inflation back under control in a timely way.
right¿ Wait, what
“The continuation of wages growth around 4 per cent per annum without a corresponding increase in productivity means these input costs are directly adding to inflationary pressures in a circular fashion,” he argued.
the fuck¿
Oh shit did someone say “without a corresponding increase in productivity”, god damn, something almost like saying there’s a problem on supply side, wow¿¡
Ah wait what they actually mean
Why the violent swings? Well, Deloitte Access Economics rebuked the RBA for playing “recession roulette” with the added 0.25-percentage-point interest rate hike.
is, Management Consulting Firm Complains That Their Prediction Got Trolled By An “Independent” Reserve Bank And Now The Forecasters Look Like Fools ¡
Crowds with catchpoles, you n00bs.
A bitter rift between the former boss of state-owned power provider Snowy Hydro and federal Energy Minister Chris Bowen has widened following claims Labor’s green energy plans are not achievable.
Fuse blown as former Snowy Hydro boss takes aim at ‘bulls**t’ renewable energy goals
Police have repeatedly searched a photojournalist after she took pictures at the site of the controversial Murujuga Burrup Peninsula fertilizer plant.
Eliza Kloser, who is lead journalist for respected Indigenous outlet Ngaarda Media, was approached by officers last Friday after she photographed the moving of sacred rock artefacts by Perdaman, the operator behind the $6 billion dollar urea plant.
Explaining that she was a journalist, Kloser then drove away from the site in Western Australia’s Pilbara region before being pulled over minutes later by police, who conducted a search of the journalist’s car.
After returning home, Kloser was in the process of uploading the photos when Karratha detectives arrived.
Ngaarda Media expressed its support for Ms Kloser.
“Her home was searched extensively by police and an SD card was removed from a camera,” they said in a statement.
“This card contained material obtained during the course of her journalistic work for Ngaarda Media and we ask that this be returned immediately. We are concerned about the distress this has caused to our colleague.”
WA Police have reportedly agreed to return the SD card.
The union that represents journalists, the Media, Entertainment & Arts Alliance, said the raid was “disturbing”, and amounted to harrassment.
“From the information to hand, the WA police have urgent questions to answer about these raids,” said MEAA Media Director Cassie Derrick.
“Police have seized and retained property on what appear to be questionable grounds.”
Police defend raid
WA Police Commissioner Col Blanch said that the search was conducted in relation to a separate incident involving Ms Kloser’s housemate.
Confirming that police had returned Ms Kloser’s SD card, Mr Blanch said suggestions police had targeted the journalist were wrong.
“The warrant was specifically in relation to two individuals who have been identified and charged with taking noxious gas and flares into the (Perth) exhibition centre,” he told ABC Radio.
“We’re looking for evidence that we have to provide before the courts,” he said.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/police-raid-home-of-indigenous-journalist-who-photographed-removal-of-sacred-rock-art-at-murujuga/zmdyg0mp3
sarahs mum said:
Police have repeatedly searched a photojournalist after she took pictures at the site of the controversial Murujuga Burrup Peninsula fertilizer plant.Eliza Kloser, who is lead journalist for respected Indigenous outlet Ngaarda Media, was approached by officers last Friday after she photographed the moving of sacred rock artefacts by Perdaman, the operator behind the $6 billion dollar urea plant.
Explaining that she was a journalist, Kloser then drove away from the site in Western Australia’s Pilbara region before being pulled over minutes later by police, who conducted a search of the journalist’s car.
After returning home, Kloser was in the process of uploading the photos when Karratha detectives arrived.
Ngaarda Media expressed its support for Ms Kloser.
“Her home was searched extensively by police and an SD card was removed from a camera,” they said in a statement.
“This card contained material obtained during the course of her journalistic work for Ngaarda Media and we ask that this be returned immediately. We are concerned about the distress this has caused to our colleague.”
WA Police have reportedly agreed to return the SD card.
The union that represents journalists, the Media, Entertainment & Arts Alliance, said the raid was “disturbing”, and amounted to harrassment.
“From the information to hand, the WA police have urgent questions to answer about these raids,” said MEAA Media Director Cassie Derrick.
“Police have seized and retained property on what appear to be questionable grounds.”
Police defend raid
WA Police Commissioner Col Blanch said that the search was conducted in relation to a separate incident involving Ms Kloser’s housemate.Confirming that police had returned Ms Kloser’s SD card, Mr Blanch said suggestions police had targeted the journalist were wrong.
“The warrant was specifically in relation to two individuals who have been identified and charged with taking noxious gas and flares into the (Perth) exhibition centre,” he told ABC Radio.
“We’re looking for evidence that we have to provide before the courts,” he said.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/police-raid-home-of-indigenous-journalist-who-photographed-removal-of-sacred-rock-art-at-murujuga/zmdyg0mp3
fuck
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Police have repeatedly searched a photojournalist after she took pictures at the site of the controversial Murujuga Burrup Peninsula fertilizer plant.
Eliza Kloser, who is lead journalist for respected Indigenous outlet Ngaarda Media, was approached by officers last Friday after she photographed the moving of sacred rock artefacts by Perdaman, the operator behind the $6 billion dollar urea plant.
Explaining that she was a journalist, Kloser then drove away from the site in Western Australia’s Pilbara region before being pulled over minutes later by police, who conducted a search of the journalist’s car.
After returning home, Kloser was in the process of uploading the photos when Karratha detectives arrived.
Ngaarda Media expressed its support for Ms Kloser.
“Her home was searched extensively by police and an SD card was removed from a camera,” they said in a statement.
“This card contained material obtained during the course of her journalistic work for Ngaarda Media and we ask that this be returned immediately. We are concerned about the distress this has caused to our colleague.”
WA Police have reportedly agreed to return the SD card.
The union that represents journalists, the Media, Entertainment & Arts Alliance, said the raid was “disturbing”, and amounted to harrassment.
“From the information to hand, the WA police have urgent questions to answer about these raids,” said MEAA Media Director Cassie Derrick.
“Police have seized and retained property on what appear to be questionable grounds.”
Police defend raid
WA Police Commissioner Col Blanch said that the search was conducted in relation to a separate incident involving Ms Kloser’s housemate.Confirming that police had returned Ms Kloser’s SD card, Mr Blanch said suggestions police had targeted the journalist were wrong.
“The warrant was specifically in relation to two individuals who have been identified and charged with taking noxious gas and flares into the (Perth) exhibition centre,” he told ABC Radio.
“We’re looking for evidence that we have to provide before the courts,” he said.
fuck
They said voice not vision.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Police have repeatedly searched a photojournalist after she took pictures at the site of the controversial Murujuga Burrup Peninsula fertilizer plant.Eliza Kloser, who is lead journalist for respected Indigenous outlet Ngaarda Media, was approached by officers last Friday after she photographed the moving of sacred rock artefacts by Perdaman, the operator behind the $6 billion dollar urea plant.
Explaining that she was a journalist, Kloser then drove away from the site in Western Australia’s Pilbara region before being pulled over minutes later by police, who conducted a search of the journalist’s car.
After returning home, Kloser was in the process of uploading the photos when Karratha detectives arrived.
Ngaarda Media expressed its support for Ms Kloser.
“Her home was searched extensively by police and an SD card was removed from a camera,” they said in a statement.
“This card contained material obtained during the course of her journalistic work for Ngaarda Media and we ask that this be returned immediately. We are concerned about the distress this has caused to our colleague.”
WA Police have reportedly agreed to return the SD card.
The union that represents journalists, the Media, Entertainment & Arts Alliance, said the raid was “disturbing”, and amounted to harrassment.
“From the information to hand, the WA police have urgent questions to answer about these raids,” said MEAA Media Director Cassie Derrick.
“Police have seized and retained property on what appear to be questionable grounds.”
Police defend raid
WA Police Commissioner Col Blanch said that the search was conducted in relation to a separate incident involving Ms Kloser’s housemate.Confirming that police had returned Ms Kloser’s SD card, Mr Blanch said suggestions police had targeted the journalist were wrong.
“The warrant was specifically in relation to two individuals who have been identified and charged with taking noxious gas and flares into the (Perth) exhibition centre,” he told ABC Radio.
“We’re looking for evidence that we have to provide before the courts,” he said.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/police-raid-home-of-indigenous-journalist-who-photographed-removal-of-sacred-rock-art-at-murujuga/zmdyg0mp3
fuck
Surely people should be allowed to take photographs of industrial work even if they aren’t journalists.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Police have repeatedly searched a photojournalist after she took pictures at the site of the controversial Murujuga Burrup Peninsula fertilizer plant.Eliza Kloser, who is lead journalist for respected Indigenous outlet Ngaarda Media, was approached by officers last Friday after she photographed the moving of sacred rock artefacts by Perdaman, the operator behind the $6 billion dollar urea plant.
Explaining that she was a journalist, Kloser then drove away from the site in Western Australia’s Pilbara region before being pulled over minutes later by police, who conducted a search of the journalist’s car.
After returning home, Kloser was in the process of uploading the photos when Karratha detectives arrived.
Ngaarda Media expressed its support for Ms Kloser.
“Her home was searched extensively by police and an SD card was removed from a camera,” they said in a statement.
“This card contained material obtained during the course of her journalistic work for Ngaarda Media and we ask that this be returned immediately. We are concerned about the distress this has caused to our colleague.”
WA Police have reportedly agreed to return the SD card.
The union that represents journalists, the Media, Entertainment & Arts Alliance, said the raid was “disturbing”, and amounted to harrassment.
“From the information to hand, the WA police have urgent questions to answer about these raids,” said MEAA Media Director Cassie Derrick.
“Police have seized and retained property on what appear to be questionable grounds.”
Police defend raid
WA Police Commissioner Col Blanch said that the search was conducted in relation to a separate incident involving Ms Kloser’s housemate.Confirming that police had returned Ms Kloser’s SD card, Mr Blanch said suggestions police had targeted the journalist were wrong.
“The warrant was specifically in relation to two individuals who have been identified and charged with taking noxious gas and flares into the (Perth) exhibition centre,” he told ABC Radio.
“We’re looking for evidence that we have to provide before the courts,” he said.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/police-raid-home-of-indigenous-journalist-who-photographed-removal-of-sacred-rock-art-at-murujuga/zmdyg0mp3
fuck
Surely people should be allowed to take photographs of industrial work even if they aren’t journalists.
That’s a bit heavy handed. Is it a police state or are the police nazis?
The moving of sacred stones requires permission surely.
Don’t know if we have a Tasmanian Stadium thread.
However this comment re the roof had me wondering.
“You’d also need to make sure sufficient air volume can pass through. Tasmania has more sunlight hours than Queensland with a higher rate of UV.”
So strange:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-15/tasmanian-heat-feels-hotter-than-on-mainland/10705112
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-30/why-tasmanias-sun-feels-harsher-during-the-summer-months/8222660
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/maps/averages/uv-index/
ahahahahaha
Remember how we told you that macroeconomists didn’t know what the fuck they were doing¿
And now
this, RCR fucking RCR.
He has also warned that, given the dominance of a handful of firms in key industries, the standard approach to monetary policy in response to inflation — to lift interest rates — was leading to perverse outcomes for households.
“Economic rent arises whenever high profits in an economic activity fail to induce expansion of supply to reduce prices and profits to normal or competitive levels,” he said.
“Higher rents feed into a higher CPI, which is interpreted by the RBA as a signal to raise interest rates again. Higher interest rates reduce investment in housing and after a time raise rents, and so strengthen the single-instrument case for even higher interest rates.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/warren-entsch-register-of-interest-liberal-mp-cairns/102302232
This could be got around very simply if these politicians simply paid their own way and then claimed their business travel on their tax return. The rest of us do it that way.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/ross-garnaut-rate-hikes-feed-inflation-urges-policy-overhaul/102302152
Australia’s economy has become increasingly dominated by powerful firms that are extracting “economic rents” from the system, economist Ross Garnaut is warning.
Their market dominance has contributed to declining real incomes for workers, has made our cost-of-living crisis worse, and is undermining productivity growth, he says.
The professor emeritus in economics at the University of Melbourne says Australia needs a new policy framework to manage the reality of industries with too much power.
He says it will require looking afresh at our economic institutions to see how they can work together to combat the growing problem.
It will also mean the Reserve Bank will have to acknowledge the truth about the nature of much of the profit-taking in this country, he says.
“There have been big changes over the 21st century that greatly affect Australia’s capacity to deliver rising standards of living to most people in a growing population,” Professor Garnaut said.
“It is a striking fact that the profit share of income is decisively higher than ever, and the wages share lower. To understand these developments, we must look afresh at the role of rent.”
He has also warned that, given the dominance of a handful of firms in key industries, the standard approach to monetary policy in response to inflation — to lift interest rates — was leading to perverse outcomes for households.
He singled out two areas of the economy where that was particularly bad: rents for houses, and energy supply.
Professor Garnaut delivered his warning about Australia’s economy this week in the 2023 Bannerman Competition Lecture in Sydney on Wednesday evening.
The title of his speech was The economic public interest in a world of oligopoly.
Professor Garnaut told his audience there had been fundamental changes in the structure of Australia’s economy in the past 20 years and some of our traditional tools of economic management and analysis were no longer fit for purpose.
He said policymakers needed to realise how much the world had changed so they could develop new policies to deal with an increasingly unequal market economy.
“My special focus this evening is on policy related to management of economic rent,” he said, in the transcript of his speech seen by the ABC.
“There have been big changes over the 21st century that greatly affect Australia’s capacity to deliver rising standards of living to most people in a growing population.
“Most importantly, there has been a large increase in the rent component of total income. This has diminished growth in productivity and output, while reducing the share of income accruing to the general run of citizens.”
Professor Garnaut said “economic rent” referred to income that was greater than necessary to attract the economically optimal amount of investment into an activity.
Monopoly rent persisted when there was little or no competition in the supply of a good or service, and it could have a deleterious impact on political systems over time, he said.
“Economic rent arises whenever high profits in an economic activity fail to induce expansion of supply to reduce prices and profits to normal or competitive levels,” he said.
“Different sources of rent can interact with and reinforce each other. Rents from any source can be invested in influence over public policy and its implementation to maintain and extend oligopolistic positions,” he said.
He said in Australia, a high and increasing proportion of income had been emanating from rent‐heavy sectors, especially mining, but also urban real estate, information technology, financial services, media and large‐scale retailing.
“Profits of mining, with economic rent contributing a considerable proportion, were larger than the whole of the rest of the economy in the final quarter of last year, the latest data available,” he said.
He said it was time for these developments to “enter the mainstream” of our discussion of Australia’s economy and economic policy.
He said the growing problem of economic rent was a global phenomenon, and countries such as the US and UK had been dealing with it for longer than Australia, but it was now undermining our traditional methods of measuring how income is generated and distributed through the economy, and it was undermining our ability to understand the world around us.
“Robert Solow, a long-time professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, received a Nobel Memorial Prize for work in the 1960s,” Professor Garnaut said.
“This research developed what is now the standard way of measuring the contributions respectively of capital and labour to economic value.
“In a letter to my long-time friend and colleague Professor Max Corden on 17 September 2017, Solow said that he was rethinking his contribution:
“We conventionally allocate all of the value added to either compensation of labour or return to capital (debt and equity). That would be fine if there were perfect competition. In reality, there is a third component, monopoly rent … it gets allocated to labour and capital in unknown proportions. What one would like is a three-way breakdown in market return to labour, market return to capital, and rent.”
Professor Garnaut said Australia’s economic officials — including those at the Reserve Bank — had to acknowledge how much the world had changed.
He said returns to low-risk capital in competitive markets were close to zero in real terms currently, and yet returns to business investment were higher than they had ever been in the developed world “and most impressively of all in Australia”.
“Attempts have been made to rationalise the facts,” he said.
“The Business Council of Australia and the governor of the Reserve Bank have said that mining profits (including petroleum extraction) are more than half the total and if you exclude them there has been no increase in the profit share.
“The council and bank are speaking power to truth,” he said.
“Take mining out of the and the profits share is still historically high. This is at a time when the cost of capital in competitive markets is close to zero, and when low productivity growth demonstrates that high profits are not flowing exceptionally from innovation and entrepreneurship.
“The increased profit share reflects the increased role of economic rent in the Australian economy.”
Professor Garnaut said the recent RBA review was an example of how policymakers were not dealing properly with the reality of the structural changes in the economy.
He said the RBA review was built on the premise that Australia’s economy had performed reasonably well over the past three decades.
He said on average, over those three decades, it had performed reasonably well.
“But that average hides close to the lowest growth in productivity and output per person and real per capita household income amongst developed countries over the past decade, by averaging it with the developed world’s top performance in the 1990s,” he said.
He said if you looked at Australia’s terms of trade (our high export prices relative to import prices), a high terms of trade had historically been associated with pressures for higher real wages.
But Australia’s terms of trade over the past year have been higher than ever before, and yet real wages have fallen more through last financial year and this financial year than in any other two-year period in our history.
“To understand these developments, we must look afresh at the role of rent,” he said.
“After we have come to understand the changes in the structure of the economy that have produced these outcomes, restoration of economic dynamism and growth in ordinary Australians’ standards of living is going to require policy coordination across parts of the economy that we have been managing separately,” he said.
Professor Garnaut said a genuine response to large structural changes in the economy required many institutions in different areas of policy to work together, with coordination across them.
He said policymakers must also allow themselves to use a variety of instruments to solve economic problems.
“As John Maynard Keynes once said, we need an orchestra with a range of instruments and a good conductor,” he said.
He said as the market dominance of certain businesses and industries had grown, our over-reliance on monetary policy to manage inflation — and the economic cycle — had been having perverse outcomes for Australian households.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
ahahahahaha
Remember how we told you that macroeconomists didn’t know what the fuck they were doing¿
And now
this, RCR fucking RCR.
He has also warned that, given the dominance of a handful of firms in key industries, the standard approach to monetary policy in response to inflation — to lift interest rates — was leading to perverse outcomes for households.
“Economic rent arises whenever high profits in an economic activity fail to induce expansion of supply to reduce prices and profits to normal or competitive levels,” he said.
“Higher rents feed into a higher CPI, which is interpreted by the RBA as a signal to raise interest rates again. Higher interest rates reduce investment in housing and after a time raise rents, and so strengthen the single-instrument case for even higher interest rates.”
Australia’s economy has become increasingly dominated by powerful firms that are extracting “economic rents” from the system, economist Ross Garnaut is warning.
Their market dominance has contributed to declining real incomes for workers, has made our cost-of-living crisis worse, and is undermining productivity growth, he says.
The professor emeritus in economics at the University of Melbourne says Australia needs a new policy framework to manage the reality of industries with too much power.
He says it will require looking afresh at our economic institutions to see how they can work together to combat the growing problem.
It will also mean the Reserve Bank will have to acknowledge the truth about the nature of much of the profit-taking in this country, he says.
“There have been big changes over the 21st century that greatly affect Australia’s capacity to deliver rising standards of living to most people in a growing population,” Professor Garnaut said.
“It is a striking fact that the profit share of income is decisively higher than ever, and the wages share lower. To understand these developments, we must look afresh at the role of rent.”
He has also warned that, given the dominance of a handful of firms in key industries, the standard approach to monetary policy in response to inflation — to lift interest rates — was leading to perverse outcomes for households.
He singled out two areas of the economy where that was particularly bad: rents for houses, and energy supply.
Professor Garnaut delivered his warning about Australia’s economy this week in the 2023 Bannerman Competition Lecture in Sydney on Wednesday evening.
The title of his speech was The economic public interest in a world of oligopoly.
Professor Garnaut told his audience there had been fundamental changes in the structure of Australia’s economy in the past 20 years and some of our traditional tools of economic management and analysis were no longer fit for purpose.
He said policymakers needed to realise how much the world had changed so they could develop new policies to deal with an increasingly unequal market economy.
“My special focus this evening is on policy related to management of economic rent,” he said, in the transcript of his speech seen by the ABC.
“There have been big changes over the 21st century that greatly affect Australia’s capacity to deliver rising standards of living to most people in a growing population.
“Most importantly, there has been a large increase in the rent component of total income. This has diminished growth in productivity and output, while reducing the share of income accruing to the general run of citizens.”
Professor Garnaut said “economic rent” referred to income that was greater than necessary to attract the economically optimal amount of investment into an activity.
Monopoly rent persisted when there was little or no competition in the supply of a good or service, and it could have a deleterious impact on political systems over time, he said.
“Economic rent arises whenever high profits in an economic activity fail to induce expansion of supply to reduce prices and profits to normal or competitive levels,” he said.
“Different sources of rent can interact with and reinforce each other. Rents from any source can be invested in influence over public policy and its implementation to maintain and extend oligopolistic positions,” he said.
He said in Australia, a high and increasing proportion of income had been emanating from rent‐heavy sectors, especially mining, but also urban real estate, information technology, financial services, media and large‐scale retailing.
“Profits of mining, with economic rent contributing a considerable proportion, were larger than the whole of the rest of the economy in the final quarter of last year, the latest data available,” he said.
He said it was time for these developments to “enter the mainstream” of our discussion of Australia’s economy and economic policy.
He said the growing problem of economic rent was a global phenomenon, and countries such as the US and UK had been dealing with it for longer than Australia, but it was now undermining our traditional methods of measuring how income is generated and distributed through the economy, and it was undermining our ability to understand the world around us.
“Robert Solow, a long-time professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, received a Nobel Memorial Prize for work in the 1960s,” Professor Garnaut said.
“This research developed what is now the standard way of measuring the contributions respectively of capital and labour to economic value.
“In a letter to my long-time friend and colleague Professor Max Corden on 17 September 2017, Solow said that he was rethinking his contribution:
“We conventionally allocate all of the value added to either compensation of labour or return to capital (debt and equity). That would be fine if there were perfect competition. In reality, there is a third component, monopoly rent … it gets allocated to labour and capital in unknown proportions. What one would like is a three-way breakdown in market return to labour, market return to capital, and rent.”
Professor Garnaut said Australia’s economic officials — including those at the Reserve Bank — had to acknowledge how much the world had changed.
He said returns to low-risk capital in competitive markets were close to zero in real terms currently, and yet returns to business investment were higher than they had ever been in the developed world “and most impressively of all in Australia”.
“Attempts have been made to rationalise the facts,” he said.
“The Business Council of Australia and the governor of the Reserve Bank have said that mining profits (including petroleum extraction) are more than half the total and if you exclude them there has been no increase in the profit share.
“The council and bank are speaking power to truth,” he said.
“Take mining out of the and the profits share is still historically high. This is at a time when the cost of capital in competitive markets is close to zero, and when low productivity growth demonstrates that high profits are not flowing exceptionally from innovation and entrepreneurship.
“The increased profit share reflects the increased role of economic rent in the Australian economy.”
Professor Garnaut said the recent RBA review was an example of how policymakers were not dealing properly with the reality of the structural changes in the economy.
He said the RBA review was built on the premise that Australia’s economy had performed reasonably well over the past three decades.
He said on average, over those three decades, it had performed reasonably well.
“But that average hides close to the lowest growth in productivity and output per person and real per capita household income amongst developed countries over the past decade, by averaging it with the developed world’s top performance in the 1990s,” he said.
He said if you looked at Australia’s terms of trade (our high export prices relative to import prices), a high terms of trade had historically been associated with pressures for higher real wages.
But Australia’s terms of trade over the past year have been higher than ever before, and yet real wages have fallen more through last financial year and this financial year than in any other two-year period in our history.
“To understand these developments, we must look afresh at the role of rent,” he said.
“After we have come to understand the changes in the structure of the economy that have produced these outcomes, restoration of economic dynamism and growth in ordinary Australians’ standards of living is going to require policy coordination across parts of the economy that we have been managing separately,” he said.
Professor Garnaut said a genuine response to large structural changes in the economy required many institutions in different areas of policy to work together, with coordination across them.
He said policymakers must also allow themselves to use a variety of instruments to solve economic problems.
“As John Maynard Keynes once said, we need an orchestra with a range of instruments and a good conductor,” he said.
He said as the market dominance of certain businesses and industries had grown, our over-reliance on monetary policy to manage inflation — and the economic cycle — had been having perverse outcomes for Australian households.
WKR
As soon as Labor comes out with a policy to reduce market dominance, the companies in question will take out full page ads in every newspaper saying the sky is falling and Labor will destroy the economy and send every citizen to the poorhouse. Then everyone will vote for Tony Abbott again.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/ross-garnaut-rate-hikes-feed-inflation-urges-policy-overhaul/102302152Australia’s economy has become increasingly dominated by powerful firms that are extracting “economic rents” from the system, economist Ross Garnaut is warning.
Their market dominance has contributed to declining real incomes for workers, has made our cost-of-living crisis worse, and is undermining productivity growth, he says.
The professor emeritus in economics at the University of Melbourne says Australia needs a new policy framework to manage the reality of industries with too much power.
He says it will require looking afresh at our economic institutions to see how they can work together to combat the growing problem.
It will also mean the Reserve Bank will have to acknowledge the truth about the nature of much of the profit-taking in this country, he says.
“There have been big changes over the 21st century that greatly affect Australia’s capacity to deliver rising standards of living to most people in a growing population,” Professor Garnaut said.
“It is a striking fact that the profit share of income is decisively higher than ever, and the wages share lower. To understand these developments, we must look afresh at the role of rent.”
He has also warned that, given the dominance of a handful of firms in key industries, the standard approach to monetary policy in response to inflation — to lift interest rates — was leading to perverse outcomes for households.
He singled out two areas of the economy where that was particularly bad: rents for houses, and energy supply.
Professor Garnaut delivered his warning about Australia’s economy this week in the 2023 Bannerman Competition Lecture in Sydney on Wednesday evening.
The title of his speech was The economic public interest in a world of oligopoly.
Professor Garnaut told his audience there had been fundamental changes in the structure of Australia’s economy in the past 20 years and some of our traditional tools of economic management and analysis were no longer fit for purpose.
He said policymakers needed to realise how much the world had changed so they could develop new policies to deal with an increasingly unequal market economy.
“My special focus this evening is on policy related to management of economic rent,” he said, in the transcript of his speech seen by the ABC.
“There have been big changes over the 21st century that greatly affect Australia’s capacity to deliver rising standards of living to most people in a growing population.
“Most importantly, there has been a large increase in the rent component of total income. This has diminished growth in productivity and output, while reducing the share of income accruing to the general run of citizens.”
Professor Garnaut said “economic rent” referred to income that was greater than necessary to attract the economically optimal amount of investment into an activity.
Monopoly rent persisted when there was little or no competition in the supply of a good or service, and it could have a deleterious impact on political systems over time, he said.
“Economic rent arises whenever high profits in an economic activity fail to induce expansion of supply to reduce prices and profits to normal or competitive levels,” he said.
“Different sources of rent can interact with and reinforce each other. Rents from any source can be invested in influence over public policy and its implementation to maintain and extend oligopolistic positions,” he said.
He said in Australia, a high and increasing proportion of income had been emanating from rent‐heavy sectors, especially mining, but also urban real estate, information technology, financial services, media and large‐scale retailing.
“Profits of mining, with economic rent contributing a considerable proportion, were larger than the whole of the rest of the economy in the final quarter of last year, the latest data available,” he said.
He said it was time for these developments to “enter the mainstream” of our discussion of Australia’s economy and economic policy.
He said the growing problem of economic rent was a global phenomenon, and countries such as the US and UK had been dealing with it for longer than Australia, but it was now undermining our traditional methods of measuring how income is generated and distributed through the economy, and it was undermining our ability to understand the world around us.
“Robert Solow, a long-time professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, received a Nobel Memorial Prize for work in the 1960s,” Professor Garnaut said.
“This research developed what is now the standard way of measuring the contributions respectively of capital and labour to economic value.
“In a letter to my long-time friend and colleague Professor Max Corden on 17 September 2017, Solow said that he was rethinking his contribution:
“We conventionally allocate all of the value added to either compensation of labour or return to capital (debt and equity). That would be fine if there were perfect competition. In reality, there is a third component, monopoly rent … it gets allocated to labour and capital in unknown proportions. What one would like is a three-way breakdown in market return to labour, market return to capital, and rent.”
Professor Garnaut said Australia’s economic officials — including those at the Reserve Bank — had to acknowledge how much the world had changed.
He said returns to low-risk capital in competitive markets were close to zero in real terms currently, and yet returns to business investment were higher than they had ever been in the developed world “and most impressively of all in Australia”.
“Attempts have been made to rationalise the facts,” he said.
“The Business Council of Australia and the governor of the Reserve Bank have said that mining profits (including petroleum extraction) are more than half the total and if you exclude them there has been no increase in the profit share.
“The council and bank are speaking power to truth,” he said.
“Take mining out of the and the profits share is still historically high. This is at a time when the cost of capital in competitive markets is close to zero, and when low productivity growth demonstrates that high profits are not flowing exceptionally from innovation and entrepreneurship.
“The increased profit share reflects the increased role of economic rent in the Australian economy.”
Professor Garnaut said the recent RBA review was an example of how policymakers were not dealing properly with the reality of the structural changes in the economy.
He said the RBA review was built on the premise that Australia’s economy had performed reasonably well over the past three decades.
He said on average, over those three decades, it had performed reasonably well.
“But that average hides close to the lowest growth in productivity and output per person and real per capita household income amongst developed countries over the past decade, by averaging it with the developed world’s top performance in the 1990s,” he said.
He said if you looked at Australia’s terms of trade (our high export prices relative to import prices), a high terms of trade had historically been associated with pressures for higher real wages.
But Australia’s terms of trade over the past year have been higher than ever before, and yet real wages have fallen more through last financial year and this financial year than in any other two-year period in our history.
“To understand these developments, we must look afresh at the role of rent,” he said.
“After we have come to understand the changes in the structure of the economy that have produced these outcomes, restoration of economic dynamism and growth in ordinary Australians’ standards of living is going to require policy coordination across parts of the economy that we have been managing separately,” he said.
Professor Garnaut said a genuine response to large structural changes in the economy required many institutions in different areas of policy to work together, with coordination across them.
He said policymakers must also allow themselves to use a variety of instruments to solve economic problems.
“As John Maynard Keynes once said, we need an orchestra with a range of instruments and a good conductor,” he said.
He said as the market dominance of certain businesses and industries had grown, our over-reliance on monetary policy to manage inflation — and the economic cycle — had been having perverse outcomes for Australian households.
Never were truer words spoken. All we need now is a brilliant mind and dedicated people to make the required changes happen.
PermeateFree said:
Never were truer words spoken. All we need now is a brilliant mind and dedicated people to make the required changes happen.
Garnaut must be getting tired of laying it all out, only for no action to be taken. It’s now 15 years since the publication of the Garnaut Climate Change Review. How time flies.
If Only STEMocracy ¡
SCIENCE said:
If Only STEMocracy ¡
Stern Report does kind of look like Stem Report in some fonts.
Guns, and good guys with guns, that’s what we needed to stop this stuff from happening.
Police say the 55-year-old employee was stabbed with a knife after 9am this morning. The incident took place inside the Haymarket branch of the state government customer service centre. The victim was taken to nearby St Vincent’s Hospital after receiving first aid from paramedics on the scene.
Police have arrested and charged 37-year-old Mahmoud Salhab from south-west Sydney, who was taken to Day Street Police Station. Detective Superintendent Martin Fileman described it as an unprovoked attack and said Mr Salhab was “extremely well known” to police.
SCIENCE said:
Guns, and good guys with guns, that’s what we needed to stop this stuff from happening.
Police say the 55-year-old employee was stabbed with a knife after 9am this morning. The incident took place inside the Haymarket branch of the state government customer service centre. The victim was taken to nearby St Vincent’s Hospital after receiving first aid from paramedics on the scene.
Police have arrested and charged 37-year-old Mahmoud Salhab from south-west Sydney, who was taken to Day Street Police Station. Detective Superintendent Martin Fileman described it as an unprovoked attack and said Mr Salhab was “extremely well known” to police.
Sorry missed a bq. there, fixed.
Former Queensland police commissioner Terry Lewis, Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s top cop, dies at 95
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/terry-lewis-dies/102311390
dv said:
Former Queensland police commissioner Terry Lewis, Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s top cop, dies at 95https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/terry-lewis-dies/102311390
excellent news.
dv said:
Former Queensland police commissioner Terry Lewis, Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s top cop, dies at 95https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-05/terry-lewis-dies/102311390
Good. My mother was on a “list” with the QLD police in the 1970s. Mømthër was a real radical. They even had a tap on their phone.
Vietnam’s communist government is demanding Australia cease issuing commemorative coins that, it says, show the flag of the toppled US-backed South Vietnam, a claim Canberra denies.
roughbarked said:
Vietnam’s communist government is demanding Australia cease issuing commemorative coins that, it says, show the flag of the toppled US-backed South Vietnam, a claim Canberra denies.
from Wiki:
“The medal ribbon contains a broad central stripe of bright yellow surmounted by three thin red stripes (representing the Republic of Vietnam). The ribbon also has a blue stripe to represent the Navy, two red stripes for the Army and a light blue stripe for the Air Force.”
So the Mint are saying the colours represent the medal ribbon, but the ribbon specifically represents the colours of the southern republic.
roughbarked said:
Vietnam’s communist government is demanding Australia cease issuing commemorative coins that, it says, show the flag of the toppled US-backed South Vietnam, a claim Canberra denies.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Vietnam’s communist government is demanding Australia cease issuing commemorative coins that, it says, show the flag of the toppled US-backed South Vietnam, a claim Canberra denies.
If they’re so peeved why don’t they issue their own version.
:) Remember that at the moment, we do not need to be upsetting any of the non Russian communists.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/public-service-audit-reveals-21-billion-consultant-bill/102312730
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/public-service-audit-reveals-21-billion-consultant-bill/102312730
A paid workforce is much better than the APS, just pay for the result you want.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-06/public-service-audit-reveals-21-billion-consultant-bill/102312730
A paid workforce is much better than the APS, just pay for the result you want.
The problem is that you can also get the result, or the advice, that you’re hoping for, even if it’s not the best result or advice.
If the public service is working properly, and is allowed to work properly, then one of its roles is to offer impartial advice to the government about the government’s aim and policies.
For outside consultants etc., the major consideration is to keep the client happy, in the hope of getting further work from them. So, whenever you think you can do it, you tell them want they appear to want to hear.
You have to be careful to build in some escape hatches, so you can shift the blame onto someone else (maybe the public service?) if it’s discovered that you weren’t being honest about things.
Honest Government Ad | Reserve Bank of Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNxXRigHri4
Financial support for single parents will continue until their youngest dependent child turns 14, partly reversing a cut to the payment made by the Gillard government more than a decade ago.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/single-parenting-payment-cut-off-lifted-from-eight-to-14/102315762
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/nsw-magistrates-report-sharp-rise-in-sovereign-citizen-cases/102285772
Magistrates witness a ‘sharp rise’ in sovereign citizen cases brought before the local courts
Sovereign citizens are becoming an increasing burden on the Australian courts, says New South Wales Magistrate Mark Douglas.
A sovereign citizen is someone who wrongly believes that they are not subject to Australian federal, state or local law, because they believe the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/nsw-magistrates-report-sharp-rise-in-sovereign-citizen-cases/102285772Magistrates witness a ‘sharp rise’ in sovereign citizen cases brought before the local courts
Sovereign citizens are becoming an increasing burden on the Australian courts, says New South Wales Magistrate Mark Douglas.
A sovereign citizen is someone who wrongly believes that they are not subject to Australian federal, state or local law, because they believe the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid.
What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/nsw-magistrates-report-sharp-rise-in-sovereign-citizen-cases/102285772Magistrates witness a ‘sharp rise’ in sovereign citizen cases brought before the local courts
Sovereign citizens are becoming an increasing burden on the Australian courts, says New South Wales Magistrate Mark Douglas.
A sovereign citizen is someone who wrongly believes that they are not subject to Australian federal, state or local law, because they believe the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid.
What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
Cookers
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/nsw-magistrates-report-sharp-rise-in-sovereign-citizen-cases/102285772Magistrates witness a ‘sharp rise’ in sovereign citizen cases brought before the local courts
Sovereign citizens are becoming an increasing burden on the Australian courts, says New South Wales Magistrate Mark Douglas.
A sovereign citizen is someone who wrongly believes that they are not subject to Australian federal, state or local law, because they believe the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid.
I bet the courts love wasting time and resources on these nutters.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/nsw-magistrates-report-sharp-rise-in-sovereign-citizen-cases/102285772Magistrates witness a ‘sharp rise’ in sovereign citizen cases brought before the local courts
Sovereign citizens are becoming an increasing burden on the Australian courts, says New South Wales Magistrate Mark Douglas.
A sovereign citizen is someone who wrongly believes that they are not subject to Australian federal, state or local law, because they believe the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid.
What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
Sovereign citizens call themselves sovereign citizens. It’s an endonym, like incel or terf.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/nsw-magistrates-report-sharp-rise-in-sovereign-citizen-cases/102285772Magistrates witness a ‘sharp rise’ in sovereign citizen cases brought before the local courts
Sovereign citizens are becoming an increasing burden on the Australian courts, says New South Wales Magistrate Mark Douglas.
A sovereign citizen is someone who wrongly believes that they are not subject to Australian federal, state or local law, because they believe the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid.
What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
Sovereign citizens call themselves sovereign citizens. It’s an endonym, like incel or terf.
A Binge tells me that the term terf was invented by a trans-inclusive cisgender radical feminist blogger Viv Smythe, so how come it’s an endonym?
As for sovereign citizens being correct, I was just joking.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/nsw-magistrates-report-sharp-rise-in-sovereign-citizen-cases/102285772Magistrates witness a ‘sharp rise’ in sovereign citizen cases brought before the local courts
Sovereign citizens are becoming an increasing burden on the Australian courts, says New South Wales Magistrate Mark Douglas.
A sovereign citizen is someone who wrongly believes that they are not subject to Australian federal, state or local law, because they believe the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid.
What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
Sovereign citizens call themselves sovereign citizens. It’s an endonym, like incel or terf.
You’ll find that gender critical feminists call themselves “terfs” in an affectionately ironic way. It’s mainly used as an insult by misogynistic trans rights activists.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
Sovereign citizens call themselves sovereign citizens. It’s an endonym, like incel or terf.
You’ll find that gender critical feminists call themselves “terfs” in an affectionately ironic way. It’s mainly used as an insult by misogynistic trans rights activists.
Sort of like “boomer” then?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
Sovereign citizens call themselves sovereign citizens. It’s an endonym, like incel or terf.
A Binge tells me that the term terf was invented by a trans-inclusive cisgender radical feminist blogger Viv Smythe, so how come it’s an endonym?
As for sovereign citizens being correct, I was just joking.
i’m relieved, don’t want see too much autistic thinking, underappreciation of consensus reality, an outbreak
I’m assuming Leslie J Nelson would have been part of the so-called “Greatest” generation or “Silent” generation so the term wasn’t originated by a boomer.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Sovereign citizens call themselves sovereign citizens. It’s an endonym, like incel or terf.
You’ll find that gender critical feminists call themselves “terfs” in an affectionately ironic way. It’s mainly used as an insult by misogynistic trans rights activists.
Sort of like “boomer” then?
Not really. “Terf” is a real term of hatred when used by TRAs.
Gender critical feminists only use the term in the sense of reclaiming a hate word and using it affectionately.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What do they call someone who correctly believes that the laws are incorrect and therefore invalid?
Sovereign citizens call themselves sovereign citizens. It’s an endonym, like incel or terf.
A Binge tells me that the term terf was invented by a trans-inclusive cisgender radical feminist blogger Viv Smythe, so how come it’s an endonym?
As for sovereign citizens being correct, I was just joking.
Fair catch, my mistake.
Bubblecar said:
You’ll find that gender critical feminists call themselves “terfs” in an affectionately ironic way. It’s mainly used as an insult by misogynistic trans rights activists.
Tealsplaining, with some typos, by Ti W.B.
dv said:
Tealsplaining, with some typos, by Ti W.B.
:)
Oh my goodness…Annabel…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-09/chalmers-budget-truck-man-replaced-with-poorest-australians/102323558
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-09/federal-budget-2023-winners-and-losers/102287782
I am finding this Quite Interesting.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-10/political-interference-claims-in-bruce-lehrmann-inquiry/102327780
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reforms
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
However, does it disadvantage the disadvantaged? This be the question at hand.
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
Hopefully it also means shutting down a lot of the NDIS rorts that the previous government wasn’t so keen on following up.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
Hopefully it also means shutting down a lot of the NDIS rorts that the previous government wasn’t so keen on following up.
Though I probably agree, that might need some references.
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
Seems it really was getting out of control.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
Hopefully it also means shutting down a lot of the NDIS rorts that the previous government wasn’t so keen on following up.
Though I probably agree, that might need some references.
Simply because it is educational to see them.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
Seems it really was getting out of control.
Snouts and troughs. We all are aware, I’d think.
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
Hmm. My newest client hired me to write recommendation letters as to why his clients should be added to the NDIS. (His clients have moderate-severe mental health issues.)
roughbarked said:
Though I probably agree, that might need some references.
https://planpartners.com.au/knowledge/articles/ndis-fraud-what-is-it-and-how-can-you-avoid-it-as-a-participant
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/ndis-service-providers-claims-rorting-patients/8c58e04a-49bb-428d-8395-e1dbda49805f
https://www.afp.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/nsw-man-linked-10m-ndis-fraud-syndicate-jailed-three-years
One need not look far to find many more.
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
The budget’s biggest saving comes from reining in the NDIS, and the government isn’t waiting to roll out the reformshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-11/fact-check-jim-chalmers-may-budget-speech/102327746
It is an enormous budget saving in anyone’s language — $74 billion. It’s huge, dwarfing anything else Labor has produced to repair the structural deficit.
So why didn’t the treasurer cite this impressive number in his budget speech to burnish his economic credentials?
Two reasons. One, it involves the National Disability Insurance Scheme, and any mention of reining in the growth of the NDIS understandably triggers anxiety for participants and their families. And two, the saving doesn’t involve a spending cut. This is about flattening the curve of NDIS spending growth into the future.
The biggest chunk of the $74 billion comes through the new “target” to limit NDIS spending growth to 8 per cent from July 2026, down from the current and “unsustainable” annual growth rate of 13.8 per cent.
This target was announced by the prime minister after a national cabinet meeting two weeks ago, upsetting some in the disability sector. Flattening the growth rate to 8 per cent, according to the budget, will save “$59 billion over seven years from 2027-28 to 2033-34”.
The budget reveals they will kick in from July. Instead of the scheme growing by a further $17 billion over the next four years as previously forecast, “improved administration” will now “reduce additional growth in scheme expenses by $15.3 billion”.
Put together, that’s a total saving of $74 billion over the decade. Huge.
Hmm. My newest client hired me to write recommendation letters as to why his clients should be added to the NDIS. (His clients have moderate-severe mental health issues.)
I am reasonably sure that you already have an answer for that.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Though I probably agree, that might need some references.
https://planpartners.com.au/knowledge/articles/ndis-fraud-what-is-it-and-how-can-you-avoid-it-as-a-participant
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/ndis-service-providers-claims-rorting-patients/8c58e04a-49bb-428d-8395-e1dbda49805f
https://www.afp.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/nsw-man-linked-10m-ndis-fraud-syndicate-jailed-three-years
One need not look far to find many more.
Thanks for the extra work. ;)
Michelle Grattan. Not complimentary about the Budget reply speech.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/peter-dutton-budget-reply-michelle-grattan/102335674
Tasmania’s Liberal government thrown into minority as MPs defect over $715 million AFL stadium in Hobart
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/tasmania-liberal-government-in-minority-mps-defect-over-stadium/102333446
sarahs mum said:
Tasmania’s Liberal government thrown into minority as MPs defect over $715 million AFL stadium in Hobarthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/tasmania-liberal-government-in-minority-mps-defect-over-stadium/102333446
Dramatic developments.
sarahs mum said:
Tasmania’s Liberal government thrown into minority as MPs defect over $715 million AFL stadium in Hobarthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/tasmania-liberal-government-in-minority-mps-defect-over-stadium/102333446
Kind of awks given Federal Labor’s support for it.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Tasmania’s Liberal government thrown into minority as MPs defect over $715 million AFL stadium in Hobarthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/tasmania-liberal-government-in-minority-mps-defect-over-stadium/102333446
Kind of awks given Federal Labor’s support for it.
It’s the old north vs south Tasmania rivalry.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Tasmania’s Liberal government thrown into minority as MPs defect over $715 million AFL stadium in Hobarthttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/tasmania-liberal-government-in-minority-mps-defect-over-stadium/102333446
Kind of awks given Federal Labor’s support for it.
It’s the old north vs south Tasmania rivalry.
…also there’s angst amongst right-wing Libs over Rockliff’s support for the Voice.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Kind of awks given Federal Labor’s support for it.
It’s the old north vs south Tasmania rivalry.
…also there’s angst amongst right-wing Libs over Rockliff’s support for the Voice.
What price do you think that NZ would give us for Tasmania?
Or maybe Beijing, they like taking over islands.
Rebel Victorian MP Moira Deeming has been expelled from the parliamentary Liberal Party after a meeting of MPs this morning, with Renee Heath ditched as partyroom secretary.
Annabel Crabb on the Budget Reply speech.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/budget-week-over-and-done-with/102336982
I’m off to read Laura Tingle now.
So thanks to low unemployment and Jobseeker not keeping up with inflation in the past few years, Jobseeker now makes up only 0.45% of GDP.
I think that might be the lowest % of GDP for unemployment payments since the mid 1970s.
Peter Hollingworth hands back permission to officiate at Anglican Church after investigation finding
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-12/peter-hollingworth-governor-general-anglican-church-officiate/102338480
Former governor-general Peter Hollingworth has given up his permission to officiate as an Anglican priest.
A church investigation last month found Dr Hollingworth committed misconduct by knowingly allowing paedophiles to remain in the church when he was Brisbane archbishop, but concluded he was “fit for ministry” if he apologised to victim-survivors.
‘E’s bein’ sarcahstic
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/14/australians-who-lost-welfare-under-1990s-student-loan-scheme-have-cause-for-class-action-expert-says?CMP=soc_567
Australians who lost welfare under 1990s student loan scheme have cause for class action, expert says
Andrew Grech says action could be pursued if implications of SFSS loans were misrepresented to people when they signed up
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I was one such, though I can’t claim I was misled. I knew it was extortion but I was pretty despo.
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal to raise the working hour threshold for Newstart.
It’s a bit surprising that it’s Dutton whose moving us towards Universal basic income but so be it.
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal
Not often you see that on this forum :)
Once you reach the threshold, how quickly does the Newstart payment disappear?
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal to raise the working hour threshold for Newstart.It’s a bit surprising that it’s Dutton whose moving us towards Universal basic income but so be it.
It’s easy to talk big when you’re in Opposition. Let’s see him make a solid commitment to it should the L/NP return to government.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal to raise the working hour threshold for Newstart.It’s a bit surprising that it’s Dutton whose moving us towards Universal basic income but so be it.
It’s easy to talk big when you’re in Opposition. Let’s see him make a solid commitment to it should the L/NP return to government.
Please, everyone knows he’s a placeholder.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal
Not often you see that on this forum :)
Once you reach the threshold, how quickly does the Newstart payment disappear?
Dunno about now, but a long time ago, it was that you lost 50c benefit for every dollar you earned over the threshold, until the benefit cut out altogether.
You might not have been hugely better off with wages and reduced benefit, but you were always better off than on benefit alone.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal to raise the working hour threshold for Newstart.It’s a bit surprising that it’s Dutton whose moving us towards Universal basic income but so be it.
It’s easy to talk big when you’re in Opposition. Let’s see him make a solid commitment to it should the L/NP return to government.
Please, everyone knows he’s a placeholder.
Yeah, well, so was ScoMo, until they suddenly didn’t have anyone to take over the place.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal
Not often you see that on this forum :)
Once you reach the threshold, how quickly does the Newstart payment disappear?
He hasn’t provided that level of detail for his proposal.
Currently, you can earn $150 per fortnight without losing NS.
You lose 50 cents for each dollar between $150 and $256 then 60 cents for each dollar over $256. Which is pretty steep in my view.
It should be noted that PD is making this suggestion as an alternative to raising the base level of Newstart, and I part ways with him there since I think the base level of Newstart should be raised.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal
Not often you see that on this forum :)
Once you reach the threshold, how quickly does the Newstart payment disappear?
He hasn’t provided that level of detail for his proposal.
Currently, you can earn $150 per fortnight without losing NS.
You lose 50 cents for each dollar between $150 and $256 then 60 cents for each dollar over $256. Which is pretty steep in my view.It should be noted that PD is making this suggestion as an alternative to raising the base level of Newstart, and I part ways with him there since I think the base level of Newstart should be raised.
Yes, it’s effectively a 60% tax rate until the Newstart gets down to zero.
Nearly as bad as the pension reduction for a married couple with one person still working.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Nearly as bad as the pension reduction for a married couple with one person still working.
We had that for a while in our household. It wasn’t a lot of money from Mrs S’s pension under those circumstances, but you can be damn sure we didn’t refuse it.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I support Peter Dutton’s proposal
Not often you see that on this forum :)
Once you reach the threshold, how quickly does the Newstart payment disappear?
Dunno about now, but a long time ago, it was that you lost 50c benefit for every dollar you earned over the threshold, until the benefit cut out altogether.
You might not have been hugely better off with wages and reduced benefit, but you were always better off than on benefit alone.
that’s the same with the pension.
In short: Premier Jeremy Rockliff has defended his handling of the AFL stadium project, which prompted the defection of two Liberal MPs to the crossbench, saying he has been “honest and open” about the project.
What’s next: Disgruntled backbencher Lara Alexander says there is a chance she and fellow defector John Tucker will block next week’s budget if the stadium funding is not fully “explained and identified”.
Tasmania’s premier has doubled down on his plans to build an AFL stadium on Hobart’s waterfront as calls to scrap the multi-million-dollar project grow louder.
Organisers estimate 6,000 Tasmanians attended a “stop the stadium” protest at Parliament Lawns on the weekend, with high-profile speakers including senator Jacqui Lambie and author Richard Flanagan.
It comes as the country’s last state Liberal government grapples with the reality of governing in minority after two backbenchers — John Tucker and Lara Alexander — quit the party, citing a lack of transparency around the $715 million Macquarie Point stadium deal.
Speaking to ABC Radio Hobart on Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said he “will not be backing down”.
“I believe in this project, I believe in our own AFL team that many people have fought for decades for and I don’t want to lose this opportunity,” he said.
“Yes it’s difficult and I’m prepared as premier, as people know, to make the tough calls.
“Now, people might not like it but I absolutely will be getting the job done.”
Speaking with ABC Radio Hobart earlier, Ms Alexander said she did not intend to make that easy from her new position on the crossbench.
“We may block supply if that particular budget line item is not explained and identified properly,” she said.
“There could be legitimate expenditure in relation to the site, which is rehabilitating the site, or there could be a number of things that form part of that intention of putting the stadium there.
“So we need to understand exactly what sits behind that budget line. Obviously the budget has a lot of other items … housing, community expenditure, so you can’t be reckless with these things. But that particular line item has to be properly accounted for.”
Mr Rockliff said once his government and the AFL had dealt with the commercial-in-confidence aspects of the stadium deal, he would be more open and transparent about the arrangement.
He also insisted health and housing remained his priorities.
“I’ve been very open about the deal and will be more open and transparent about the deal,” he said.
“We’re spending $375 million. I’m spending it once. I spend that every 51 days in health, $11 billion every four years on health.”
Mr Rockliff said it did not bother him that people opposed his stance on the stadium or other issues like his support for the Voice to Parliament or plan to ban conversion therapy.
“People might not like where I stand on particular issues but you know that I stand for something and I’m open and honest about what I stand for,” Mr Rockliff said.
Ms Alexander was not so sure.
“I do support Jeremy, Jeremy is a good man,” she said.
“I just think, in this particular incidence, something has not been well handled.”
But despite everything, she said she did not want him to resign.
“No, that would put us in difficult position, a turmoil position and we don’t want that,” she said.
“Stability comes with a lot of communication, a lot of discussion, engaging with people, not just relying on a majority. Relying on a majority is the easy way out.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-15/tas-premier-jeremy-rockliff-insists-stadium-will-go-ahead/102345696
sarahs mum said:
In short: Premier Jeremy Rockliff has defended his handling of the AFL stadium project, which prompted the defection of two Liberal MPs to the crossbench, saying he has been “honest and open” about the project.What’s next: Disgruntled backbencher Lara Alexander says there is a chance she and fellow defector John Tucker will block next week’s budget if the stadium funding is not fully “explained and identified”.
Tasmania’s premier has doubled down on his plans to build an AFL stadium on Hobart’s waterfront as calls to scrap the multi-million-dollar project grow louder.
Organisers estimate 6,000 Tasmanians attended a “stop the stadium” protest at Parliament Lawns on the weekend, with high-profile speakers including senator Jacqui Lambie and author Richard Flanagan.
It comes as the country’s last state Liberal government grapples with the reality of governing in minority after two backbenchers — John Tucker and Lara Alexander — quit the party, citing a lack of transparency around the $715 million Macquarie Point stadium deal.
Speaking to ABC Radio Hobart on Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said he “will not be backing down”.
“I believe in this project, I believe in our own AFL team that many people have fought for decades for and I don’t want to lose this opportunity,” he said.
“Yes it’s difficult and I’m prepared as premier, as people know, to make the tough calls.
“Now, people might not like it but I absolutely will be getting the job done.”
Speaking with ABC Radio Hobart earlier, Ms Alexander said she did not intend to make that easy from her new position on the crossbench.
“We may block supply if that particular budget line item is not explained and identified properly,” she said.
“There could be legitimate expenditure in relation to the site, which is rehabilitating the site, or there could be a number of things that form part of that intention of putting the stadium there.
“So we need to understand exactly what sits behind that budget line. Obviously the budget has a lot of other items … housing, community expenditure, so you can’t be reckless with these things. But that particular line item has to be properly accounted for.”
Mr Rockliff said once his government and the AFL had dealt with the commercial-in-confidence aspects of the stadium deal, he would be more open and transparent about the arrangement.
He also insisted health and housing remained his priorities.
“I’ve been very open about the deal and will be more open and transparent about the deal,” he said.
“We’re spending $375 million. I’m spending it once. I spend that every 51 days in health, $11 billion every four years on health.”
Mr Rockliff said it did not bother him that people opposed his stance on the stadium or other issues like his support for the Voice to Parliament or plan to ban conversion therapy.
“People might not like where I stand on particular issues but you know that I stand for something and I’m open and honest about what I stand for,” Mr Rockliff said.
Ms Alexander was not so sure.
“I do support Jeremy, Jeremy is a good man,” she said.
“I just think, in this particular incidence, something has not been well handled.”
But despite everything, she said she did not want him to resign.
“No, that would put us in difficult position, a turmoil position and we don’t want that,” she said.
“Stability comes with a lot of communication, a lot of discussion, engaging with people, not just relying on a majority. Relying on a majority is the easy way out.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-15/tas-premier-jeremy-rockliff-insists-stadium-will-go-ahead/102345696
Be interesting to see where Tas public opinion is on this issue.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
In short: Premier Jeremy Rockliff has defended his handling of the AFL stadium project, which prompted the defection of two Liberal MPs to the crossbench, saying he has been “honest and open” about the project.What’s next: Disgruntled backbencher Lara Alexander says there is a chance she and fellow defector John Tucker will block next week’s budget if the stadium funding is not fully “explained and identified”.
Tasmania’s premier has doubled down on his plans to build an AFL stadium on Hobart’s waterfront as calls to scrap the multi-million-dollar project grow louder.
Organisers estimate 6,000 Tasmanians attended a “stop the stadium” protest at Parliament Lawns on the weekend, with high-profile speakers including senator Jacqui Lambie and author Richard Flanagan.
It comes as the country’s last state Liberal government grapples with the reality of governing in minority after two backbenchers — John Tucker and Lara Alexander — quit the party, citing a lack of transparency around the $715 million Macquarie Point stadium deal.
Speaking to ABC Radio Hobart on Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said he “will not be backing down”.
“I believe in this project, I believe in our own AFL team that many people have fought for decades for and I don’t want to lose this opportunity,” he said.
“Yes it’s difficult and I’m prepared as premier, as people know, to make the tough calls.
“Now, people might not like it but I absolutely will be getting the job done.”
Speaking with ABC Radio Hobart earlier, Ms Alexander said she did not intend to make that easy from her new position on the crossbench.
“We may block supply if that particular budget line item is not explained and identified properly,” she said.
“There could be legitimate expenditure in relation to the site, which is rehabilitating the site, or there could be a number of things that form part of that intention of putting the stadium there.
“So we need to understand exactly what sits behind that budget line. Obviously the budget has a lot of other items … housing, community expenditure, so you can’t be reckless with these things. But that particular line item has to be properly accounted for.”
Mr Rockliff said once his government and the AFL had dealt with the commercial-in-confidence aspects of the stadium deal, he would be more open and transparent about the arrangement.
He also insisted health and housing remained his priorities.
“I’ve been very open about the deal and will be more open and transparent about the deal,” he said.
“We’re spending $375 million. I’m spending it once. I spend that every 51 days in health, $11 billion every four years on health.”
Mr Rockliff said it did not bother him that people opposed his stance on the stadium or other issues like his support for the Voice to Parliament or plan to ban conversion therapy.
“People might not like where I stand on particular issues but you know that I stand for something and I’m open and honest about what I stand for,” Mr Rockliff said.
Ms Alexander was not so sure.
“I do support Jeremy, Jeremy is a good man,” she said.
“I just think, in this particular incidence, something has not been well handled.”
But despite everything, she said she did not want him to resign.
“No, that would put us in difficult position, a turmoil position and we don’t want that,” she said.
“Stability comes with a lot of communication, a lot of discussion, engaging with people, not just relying on a majority. Relying on a majority is the easy way out.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-15/tas-premier-jeremy-rockliff-insists-stadium-will-go-ahead/102345696
Be interesting to see where Tas public opinion is on this issue.
I think it is split lots. Like.. I am happy to let then have a footy team. I am happy to invest in such. but maybe not so very much. I hate the idea of it at Macquarie point.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
In short: Premier Jeremy Rockliff has defended his handling of the AFL stadium project, which prompted the defection of two Liberal MPs to the crossbench, saying he has been “honest and open” about the project.What’s next: Disgruntled backbencher Lara Alexander says there is a chance she and fellow defector John Tucker will block next week’s budget if the stadium funding is not fully “explained and identified”.
Tasmania’s premier has doubled down on his plans to build an AFL stadium on Hobart’s waterfront as calls to scrap the multi-million-dollar project grow louder.
Organisers estimate 6,000 Tasmanians attended a “stop the stadium” protest at Parliament Lawns on the weekend, with high-profile speakers including senator Jacqui Lambie and author Richard Flanagan.
It comes as the country’s last state Liberal government grapples with the reality of governing in minority after two backbenchers — John Tucker and Lara Alexander — quit the party, citing a lack of transparency around the $715 million Macquarie Point stadium deal.
Speaking to ABC Radio Hobart on Monday, Premier Jeremy Rockliff said he “will not be backing down”.
“I believe in this project, I believe in our own AFL team that many people have fought for decades for and I don’t want to lose this opportunity,” he said.
“Yes it’s difficult and I’m prepared as premier, as people know, to make the tough calls.
“Now, people might not like it but I absolutely will be getting the job done.”
Speaking with ABC Radio Hobart earlier, Ms Alexander said she did not intend to make that easy from her new position on the crossbench.
“We may block supply if that particular budget line item is not explained and identified properly,” she said.
“There could be legitimate expenditure in relation to the site, which is rehabilitating the site, or there could be a number of things that form part of that intention of putting the stadium there.
“So we need to understand exactly what sits behind that budget line. Obviously the budget has a lot of other items … housing, community expenditure, so you can’t be reckless with these things. But that particular line item has to be properly accounted for.”
Mr Rockliff said once his government and the AFL had dealt with the commercial-in-confidence aspects of the stadium deal, he would be more open and transparent about the arrangement.
He also insisted health and housing remained his priorities.
“I’ve been very open about the deal and will be more open and transparent about the deal,” he said.
“We’re spending $375 million. I’m spending it once. I spend that every 51 days in health, $11 billion every four years on health.”
Mr Rockliff said it did not bother him that people opposed his stance on the stadium or other issues like his support for the Voice to Parliament or plan to ban conversion therapy.
“People might not like where I stand on particular issues but you know that I stand for something and I’m open and honest about what I stand for,” Mr Rockliff said.
Ms Alexander was not so sure.
“I do support Jeremy, Jeremy is a good man,” she said.
“I just think, in this particular incidence, something has not been well handled.”
But despite everything, she said she did not want him to resign.
“No, that would put us in difficult position, a turmoil position and we don’t want that,” she said.
“Stability comes with a lot of communication, a lot of discussion, engaging with people, not just relying on a majority. Relying on a majority is the easy way out.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-15/tas-premier-jeremy-rockliff-insists-stadium-will-go-ahead/102345696
Be interesting to see where Tas public opinion is on this issue.
I think it is split lots. Like.. I am happy to let then have a footy team. I am happy to invest in such. but maybe not so very much. I hate the idea of it at Macquarie point.
Seems to be in a bad position. There are a lot of other things to spend the money on that would help the community more.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:Be interesting to see where Tas public opinion is on this issue.
I think it is split lots. Like.. I am happy to let then have a footy team. I am happy to invest in such. but maybe not so very much. I hate the idea of it at Macquarie point.
Seems to be in a bad position. There are a lot of other things to spend the money on that would help the community more.
Because the MCG is a important thing in the middle of Melbourne does not mean Hobart needs the same thing. because Darling harbour is successful for Sydney does not mean Constitution Dock should become more like Darling harbour. It is lazy thinking.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:I think it is split lots. Like.. I am happy to let then have a footy team. I am happy to invest in such. but maybe not so very much. I hate the idea of it at Macquarie point.
Seems to be in a bad position. There are a lot of other things to spend the money on that would help the community more.
Because the MCG is a important thing in the middle of Melbourne does not mean Hobart needs the same thing. because Darling harbour is successful for Sydney does not mean Constitution Dock should become more like Darling harbour. It is lazy thinking.
It does seem a bit much that the AFL can apparently dictate “you can only join us if your government spends X amount of your money on what we demand.”
sarahs mum said:
Trouble is the AFL will apparently reject option 2 on that list.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Trouble is the AFL will apparently reject option 2 on that list.
Is building a stadium somewhere else an option?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Trouble is the AFL will apparently reject option 2 on that list.
Is building a stadium somewhere else an option?
I don’t see why not, but I haven’t been following this closely.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Trouble is the AFL will apparently reject option 2 on that list.
Is building a stadium somewhere else an option?
according to the premier this is the option. upgrading bellerive and an oval in Launceston would have widespread appeal i reckon.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:Trouble is the AFL will apparently reject option 2 on that list.
Is building a stadium somewhere else an option?
according to the premier this is the option. upgrading bellerive and an oval in Launceston would have widespread appeal i reckon.
the two liberal ministers who have resigned are from the north of the state.
if it is the Hobart devils why is the state footing the bill and if it is a Tasmanian team why aren’t some of the games being played in the north of the state.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Is building a stadium somewhere else an option?
according to the premier this is the option. upgrading bellerive and an oval in Launceston would have widespread appeal i reckon.
the two liberal ministers who have resigned are from the north of the state.
if it is the Hobart devils why is the state footing the bill and if it is a Tasmanian team why aren’t some of the games being played in the north of the state.
Is it not the plan to play 2-3 matches in Launnie?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:according to the premier this is the option. upgrading bellerive and an oval in Launceston would have widespread appeal i reckon.
the two liberal ministers who have resigned are from the north of the state.
if it is the Hobart devils why is the state footing the bill and if it is a Tasmanian team why aren’t some of the games being played in the north of the state.
Is it not the plan to play 2-3 matches in Launnie?
i had not heard so. But do they get an upgrade? I mean the north south thing is petty.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:the two liberal ministers who have resigned are from the north of the state.
if it is the Hobart devils why is the state footing the bill and if it is a Tasmanian team why aren’t some of the games being played in the north of the state.
Is it not the plan to play 2-3 matches in Launnie?
i had not heard so. But do they get an upgrade? I mean the north south thing is petty.
I thought the relevant stadium in lannie was being refurbished. I’ll check wiki.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:Is building a stadium somewhere else an option?
according to the premier this is the option. upgrading bellerive and an oval in Launceston would have widespread appeal i reckon.
the two liberal ministers who have resigned are from the north of the state.
if it is the Hobart devils why is the state footing the bill and if it is a Tasmanian team why aren’t some of the games being played in the north of the state.
That would require building two stadiums. With each of them to be used half as often. Which would double cost and halve the ticket revenue per seat.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is it not the plan to play 2-3 matches in Launnie?
i had not heard so. But do they get an upgrade? I mean the north south thing is petty.
I thought the relevant stadium in lannie was being refurbished. I’ll check wiki.
I mean the Eagles don’t play a lot of matches in Karatha
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is it not the plan to play 2-3 matches in Launnie?
i had not heard so. But do they get an upgrade? I mean the north south thing is petty.
I thought the relevant stadium in lannie was being refurbished. I’ll check wiki.
Wiki is not very helpful.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:i had not heard so. But do they get an upgrade? I mean the north south thing is petty.
I thought the relevant stadium in lannie was being refurbished. I’ll check wiki.
Wiki is not very helpful.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-19th-team-is-here-tasmania-s-afl-entry-confirmed-20230503-p5d55v.html
Senior AFL and Tasmanian football sources also confirmed that, despite the $715 million stadium to be built at Macquarie Point on Hobart’s waterfront, there would be four games played in Launceston, at the University of Tasmania stadium, by the new Tasmanian team for an indefinite period, with the state and federal governments providing a further $130 million for Launceston.
Looks like you are correct.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I thought the relevant stadium in lannie was being refurbished. I’ll check wiki.
Wiki is not very helpful.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-19th-team-is-here-tasmania-s-afl-entry-confirmed-20230503-p5d55v.html
Senior AFL and Tasmanian football sources also confirmed that, despite the $715 million stadium to be built at Macquarie Point on Hobart’s waterfront, there would be four games played in Launceston, at the University of Tasmania stadium, by the new Tasmanian team for an indefinite period, with the state and federal governments providing a further $130 million for Launceston.
Looks like you are correct.
Ah.
And that’s why sometimes it is a 850 mill project.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I thought the relevant stadium in lannie was being refurbished. I’ll check wiki.
Wiki is not very helpful.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-19th-team-is-here-tasmania-s-afl-entry-confirmed-20230503-p5d55v.html
Senior AFL and Tasmanian football sources also confirmed that, despite the $715 million stadium to be built at Macquarie Point on Hobart’s waterfront, there would be four games played in Launceston, at the University of Tasmania stadium, by the new Tasmanian team for an indefinite period, with the state and federal governments providing a further $130 million for Launceston.
Looks like you are correct.
Thanks. I no doubt read it in ‘The Age’ there myself.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I thought the relevant stadium in lannie was being refurbished. I’ll check wiki.
Wiki is not very helpful.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-19th-team-is-here-tasmania-s-afl-entry-confirmed-20230503-p5d55v.html
Senior AFL and Tasmanian football sources also confirmed that, despite the $715 million stadium to be built at Macquarie Point on Hobart’s waterfront, there would be four games played in Launceston, at the University of Tasmania stadium, by the new Tasmanian team for an indefinite period, with the state and federal governments providing a further $130 million for Launceston.
Looks like you are correct.
So, assuming 11 home games per year, that means 7 in Hobart and 4 in Launceston.
Spending the extra $130 million in Launnie effectively reduces the ticket revenue per seat in Hobart by 4/11 ths. I am not sure this is wise from a business point of view. Every else around the country, the general aim is to get multiple teams sharing one stadium to increase the return on each seat over the whole year by hosting more events.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Wiki is not very helpful.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-19th-team-is-here-tasmania-s-afl-entry-confirmed-20230503-p5d55v.html
Senior AFL and Tasmanian football sources also confirmed that, despite the $715 million stadium to be built at Macquarie Point on Hobart’s waterfront, there would be four games played in Launceston, at the University of Tasmania stadium, by the new Tasmanian team for an indefinite period, with the state and federal governments providing a further $130 million for Launceston.
Looks like you are correct.
So, assuming 11 home games per year, that means 7 in Hobart and 4 in Launceston.
Spending the extra $130 million in Launnie effectively reduces the ticket revenue per seat in Hobart by 4/11 ths. I am not sure this is wise from a business point of view. Every else around the country, the general aim is to get multiple teams sharing one stadium to increase the return on each seat over the whole year by hosting more events.
And we don’t get many people turning up to these things. More people turn up to protest than to the cricket.
after being corrected on games in the north of state I am more confused by the liberal defectors.
sarahs mum said:
after being corrected on games in the north of state I am more confused by the liberal defectors.
maybe just a simple case of the money could be better spent elsewhere.
this comes up pretty much everywhere the state and/or federal governments build a new stadium. Certainly was some opposition to building a new stadium here when it was started, nearly 10 years ago now.
sarahs mum said:
after being corrected on games in the north of state I am more confused by the liberal defectors.
I don’t really understand them. They say they seek more information, which they could have done without dramatically quitting the party.
……….. And weez was there too.
And won’t be going back.
Why? Coz it’s a DUMP!!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-17/albanese-cancels-quad-in-sydney/102356356
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has confirmed that next week’s Quad leaders meeting in Sydney will not go ahead after US President Joe Biden cancelled his visit to Australia.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-17/albanese-cancels-quad-in-sydney/102356356Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has confirmed that next week’s Quad leaders meeting in Sydney will not go ahead after US President Joe Biden cancelled his visit to Australia.
Well, if the life of the party can’t come…
Van Badham going after the Greens again
dv said:
Van Badham going after the Greens again
There should be more monument building, those ancients knew how leave their mark. Nowadays, we build nondescript crap that will fall down not long after our civilisation vanishes…
furious said:
dv said:
Van Badham going after the Greens again
There should be more monument building, those ancients knew how leave their mark. Nowadays, we build nondescript crap that will fall down not long after our civilisation vanishes…
Most of it doesn’t last that long.
roughbarked said:
furious said:
dv said:
Van Badham going after the Greens again
There should be more monument building, those ancients knew how leave their mark. Nowadays, we build nondescript crap that will fall down not long after our civilisation vanishes…
Most of it doesn’t last that long.
I think the opposite. Most houses last too long. We shouldn’t still be living in 50+ year old houses that were built with the cheapest and quickest materials of their day without regard to things like insulation, thermal mass, ventilation, best orientation for passive heating and cooling and so on. I have lived in such houses and they are terrible – massively freezing in winter and requiring a couple of tonnes (literally) of firewood each year to keep warm, and then uncomfortably hoy and stuffy in summer with no proper regard for positioning of windows to catch the breeze.
dv said:
Van Badham going after the Greens again
little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of Ticky tacky…
Arts said:
dv said:
Van Badham going after the Greens again
little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of Ticky tacky…
you’re too young to know that song.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
dv said:
Van Badham going after the Greens again
little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of Ticky tacky…
you’re too young to know that song.
music is forever, man…
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of Ticky tacky…
you’re too young to know that song.
music is forever, man…
What exactly is ticky tacky? Not knowing has prevented me from liking this song since primary school days
Neophyte said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:you’re too young to know that song.
music is forever, man…
What exactly is ticky tacky? Not knowing has prevented me from liking this song since primary school days
cheap shoddy materials.
Concerns about excessive uniformity in housing seem a bit precious in the modern era when young people struggle even to afford rent.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
furious said:There should be more monument building, those ancients knew how leave their mark. Nowadays, we build nondescript crap that will fall down not long after our civilisation vanishes…
Most of it doesn’t last that long.
I think the opposite. Most houses last too long. We shouldn’t still be living in 50+ year old houses that were built with the cheapest and quickest materials of their day without regard to things like insulation, thermal mass, ventilation, best orientation for passive heating and cooling and so on. I have lived in such houses and they are terrible – massively freezing in winter and requiring a couple of tonnes (literally) of firewood each year to keep warm, and then uncomfortably hoy and stuffy in summer with no proper regard for positioning of windows to catch the breeze.
Tend to agree. It’s a joke what gets heritage listed in Australia.
dv said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Most of it doesn’t last that long.
I think the opposite. Most houses last too long. We shouldn’t still be living in 50+ year old houses that were built with the cheapest and quickest materials of their day without regard to things like insulation, thermal mass, ventilation, best orientation for passive heating and cooling and so on. I have lived in such houses and they are terrible – massively freezing in winter and requiring a couple of tonnes (literally) of firewood each year to keep warm, and then uncomfortably hoy and stuffy in summer with no proper regard for positioning of windows to catch the breeze.
Tend to agree. It’s a joke what gets heritage listed in Australia.
So you’re saying instead of building new houses for the 3 million/month immigrants, or whatever it is, we should be knocking down old houses and replacing them with new ones built out of tickey-tackey?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I think the opposite. Most houses last too long. We shouldn’t still be living in 50+ year old houses that were built with the cheapest and quickest materials of their day without regard to things like insulation, thermal mass, ventilation, best orientation for passive heating and cooling and so on. I have lived in such houses and they are terrible – massively freezing in winter and requiring a couple of tonnes (literally) of firewood each year to keep warm, and then uncomfortably hoy and stuffy in summer with no proper regard for positioning of windows to catch the breeze.
Tend to agree. It’s a joke what gets heritage listed in Australia.
So you’re saying instead of building new houses for the 3 million/month immigrants, or whatever it is, we should be knocking down old houses and replacing them with new ones built out of tickey-tackey?
we could build them from scratch.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I think the opposite. Most houses last too long. We shouldn’t still be living in 50+ year old houses that were built with the cheapest and quickest materials of their day without regard to things like insulation, thermal mass, ventilation, best orientation for passive heating and cooling and so on. I have lived in such houses and they are terrible – massively freezing in winter and requiring a couple of tonnes (literally) of firewood each year to keep warm, and then uncomfortably hoy and stuffy in summer with no proper regard for positioning of windows to catch the breeze.
Tend to agree. It’s a joke what gets heritage listed in Australia.
So you’re saying instead of building new houses for the 3 million/month immigrants, or whatever it is, we should be knocking down old houses and replacing them with new ones built out of tickey-tackey?
Modern houses are well-constructed. In Australia at least.
And also I don’t see your distinction between building new houses and “replacing old houses with new houses”. Seems like the same thing?
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Tend to agree. It’s a joke what gets heritage listed in Australia.
So you’re saying instead of building new houses for the 3 million/month immigrants, or whatever it is, we should be knocking down old houses and replacing them with new ones built out of tickey-tackey?
we could build them from scratch.
That does seem to make more sense.
We could even improve the insulation of existing houses, without knocking them down first.
Anyway I think you and I have already had our bout on heritage listing of ordinary houses so probably not much will come of a revision.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
party_pants said:I think the opposite. Most houses last too long. We shouldn’t still be living in 50+ year old houses that were built with the cheapest and quickest materials of their day without regard to things like insulation, thermal mass, ventilation, best orientation for passive heating and cooling and so on. I have lived in such houses and they are terrible – massively freezing in winter and requiring a couple of tonnes (literally) of firewood each year to keep warm, and then uncomfortably hoy and stuffy in summer with no proper regard for positioning of windows to catch the breeze.
Tend to agree. It’s a joke what gets heritage listed in Australia.
So you’re saying instead of building new houses for the 3 million/month immigrants, or whatever it is, we should be knocking down old houses and replacing them with new ones built out of tickey-tackey?
New ones built for the climate and environment would be nice. On a 1 knock-down for 2-4 new modern houses on the same plot size.
dv said:
Anyway I think you and I have already had our bout on heritage listing of ordinary houses so probably not much will come of a revision.
We have?
OK, what’s next?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Anyway I think you and I have already had our bout on heritage listing of ordinary houses so probably not much will come of a revision.
We have?
OK, what’s next?
Hmmmm, just arrived in gmail:
Rebuild New In The Area That You Love.
Demolish the old & rebuild new. Request a free design consultation from your local team.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Anyway I think you and I have already had our bout on heritage listing of ordinary houses so probably not much will come of a revision.
We have?
OK, what’s next?
Hmmmm, just arrived in gmail:
Rebuild New In The Area That You Love.
Demolish the old & rebuild new. Request a free design consultation from your local team.
wasn’t me
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
furious said:There should be more monument building, those ancients knew how leave their mark. Nowadays, we build nondescript crap that will fall down not long after our civilisation vanishes…
Most of it doesn’t last that long.
I think the opposite. Most houses last too long. We shouldn’t still be living in 50+ year old houses that were built with the cheapest and quickest materials of their day without regard to things like insulation, thermal mass, ventilation, best orientation for passive heating and cooling and so on. I have lived in such houses and they are terrible – massively freezing in winter and requiring a couple of tonnes (literally) of firewood each year to keep warm, and then uncomfortably hoy and stuffy in summer with no proper regard for positioning of windows to catch the breeze.
The old fibro house on a freezing plain thing. Yes. Blame Hardie.
I couldn’t help myself.
Vale Scomocchio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkVYtJw1hMg
—-
and it’s time for a by election.
South Australia
South Australia rushes through anti-protest laws as activists rally outside oil and gas conference
Climate activists face large penalties and three-month jail terms in bipartisan move which appears to have been hashed out on talkback radio
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/18/south-australia-anti-protest-laws-activists-rally-oil-gas-appea-conference-adelaide
So…inadequate oversight of providers. I’m pretty sure this is not how the NDIS was originally set up.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-19/ndis-abuse-in-boarding-homes-revealed/102368182
Interesting take:
…
Building more homes ‘won’t guarantee cheaper rents’
By Rachael Dexter
May 22, 2023 — 8.52am
KEY POINTS
- COVID lockdowns presented Melbourne with a “remarkable experiment” on the consequences of flooding the market with extra homes, a think tank has found.
- The city lost 1.6 per cent of its population, or 80,000 people, in the year to mid-2021, while housing construction continued unabated.
- Although there was up to 130,000 extra homes in the market, Prosper Australia found there was little downward pressure on rents.
- Its casts doubt on the theory that fast-tracking new housing will bring rents down.
Fast-tracking the construction of new homes may not make rentals more affordable in Melbourne, according to a new analysis based on the city’s “unnatural” housing experiment during the COVID-19 peak.
In 2020-21, Melbourne experienced a rare population decline as the city endured one of the world’s longest lockdowns, leading to international students flying home and some residents leaving for regional areas.
But the construction of new homes remained strong during that period, independent think tank Prosper Australia said.
Its economic analysis found that rental prices should have dropped by much more and stayed lower for longer, during the pandemic. However, the reduced demand and increased supply did very little to meaningfully lower prices because the extra housing was absorbed by remaining residents who wanted more space.
Prosper found excess supply, equivalent to two or three years of additional construction, only lowered housing costs by one-tenth for about a year.
Its report urges caution against the assumption that increasing housing supply is guaranteed to drive down rental prices, finding income supplements did far more to help affordability than supply.
Prosper estimates that over the two years to mid-2021, construction outpacing of population growth generated an excess supply of dwellings of about 5.1 per cent to 6.7 per cent of housing stock – the equivalent of 100,0000 to 130,000 dwellings more than previously needed to house the population.
But Tim Helm, Prosper Australia’s director of research and author of the study, said the effect on rents was far more muted than should have been expected for such a large increase in supply.
He said this was because at the same time, work-from-home mandates convinced existing residents to upsize their accommodation.
“Rents dipped only for about a year and then within a year have recovered back to pre-pandemic levels,” Helm said.
“An enormous excess supply of housing was eaten up by those with means to do so, offering little relief for those in housing stress.”
The report says the post-lockdown migration rebound wasn’t the only reason rents have since started rising again.
“Melbourne’s rents rose quickly from mid-2021 to mid-2022 despite no reversal of the population/construction shock,” it says.
P
“By mid-2022, Melbourne’s population was still 0.5 per cent below March 2020 levels, and the dwelling stock 4.8 per cent larger, but average rents were no lower than in March 2020.”
Prosper is a think tank funded by a trust formed in 1928 to make the argument that the burden of taxation should move away from income and businesses and onto land and other finite resources.
As revealed in The Age, the state government is looking at taking statutory planning powers away from local government as part of a planning push to boost urban density and ultimately squeeze an extra 1 million homes into Melbourne suburbs by 2050.
Premier Daniel Andrews has confirmed a package of planning reforms is due to be delivered in the second half of this year, aimed at getting more houses built.
The federal and state governments have singled out councils as key culprits for the housing crisis, suggesting they have been responsible for blocking developments on behalf of NIMBY – not in my backyard – ratepayers.
Helm said the findings from his report poured cold water on that narrative.
“There’s just no question that having the right policy setting so that developers can supply housing when people want it is critical,” he said.
“But we think this agenda, particularly the deregulation, planning, taking away planning powers from local councils, has just been overblown in its significance.”
The Property Council of Victoria, which has lobbied the government for the right to bypass councils for planning permissions, declined to comment on the report.
Max Shifman, president of developers peak body the Urban Development Institute of Australia, said the report contained “a lot of conflated issues” and it wasn’t entirely correct to say there was a major oversupply.
“There were so many unusual things that happened concurrently during the pandemic period,” he said.
“They’ve pulled a lot of interesting data together, but I don’t think they’ve assessed it and come to the right conclusion from that data.
“The simple fact is, we have consistently under-delivered the number of dwellings we need, and it’s only getting worse.
“Even approved stuff is not getting built anymore. And it is absolutely the number-one thing we need to fix. We need to get more capacity in the system where its needed and the actual type of housing that people want.”
Melbourne University professor of urban planning David Nichols – who was not involved in the report – said it made logical points about the “accidental laboratory” that was created during the pandemic and that lessons could be drawn from that.
“If the market behaved the way that people with vested interests claim that it does, then we would have seen a longer reduction in rents for longer, and perhaps some greater availability of choice”.
Despite this, Nichols said he wasn’t opposed to stronger state-based planning mechanisms to increase housing options.
“For example, the state government wants to bring back the SEC , they should also bring back the Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works as a planning authority,” he said. “But not do it for the sake of vested interests.”
A Victorian government spokesman said housing affordability was impacted by a number of factors, including tax settings, migration and land supply as “evidenced in the State of the Nation Housing 2022-23 report”.
He said a review of the government’s Plan Melbourne program was underway and pointed to the government’s “significant incentives for developers to enter the Build-to-Rent market” as evidence of how the market could provide affordable rentals at a secure price.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/building-more-homes-won-t-guarantee-cheaper-rents-report-finds-20230518-p5d9d8.html
Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp in trouble for stalking Shane Drumgold SC at Police Corruption Inquiry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4prSU52MUSk
Witty Rejoinder said:
Interesting take:…
Building more homes ‘won’t guarantee cheaper rents’
By Rachael Dexter
May 22, 2023 — 8.52amKEY POINTS
- COVID lockdowns presented Melbourne with a “remarkable experiment” on the consequences of flooding the market with extra homes, a think tank has found.
- The city lost 1.6 per cent of its population, or 80,000 people, in the year to mid-2021, while housing construction continued unabated.
- Although there was up to 130,000 extra homes in the market, Prosper Australia found there was little downward pressure on rents.
- Its casts doubt on the theory that fast-tracking new housing will bring rents down.Fast-tracking the construction of new homes may not make rentals more affordable in Melbourne, according to a new analysis based on the city’s “unnatural” housing experiment during the COVID-19 peak.
In 2020-21, Melbourne experienced a rare population decline as the city endured one of the world’s longest lockdowns, leading to international students flying home and some residents leaving for regional areas.
But the construction of new homes remained strong during that period, independent think tank Prosper Australia said.
Its economic analysis found that rental prices should have dropped by much more and stayed lower for longer, during the pandemic. However, the reduced demand and increased supply did very little to meaningfully lower prices because the extra housing was absorbed by remaining residents who wanted more space.
Prosper found excess supply, equivalent to two or three years of additional construction, only lowered housing costs by one-tenth for about a year.
Its report urges caution against the assumption that increasing housing supply is guaranteed to drive down rental prices, finding income supplements did far more to help affordability than supply.
Prosper estimates that over the two years to mid-2021, construction outpacing of population growth generated an excess supply of dwellings of about 5.1 per cent to 6.7 per cent of housing stock – the equivalent of 100,0000 to 130,000 dwellings more than previously needed to house the population.
But Tim Helm, Prosper Australia’s director of research and author of the study, said the effect on rents was far more muted than should have been expected for such a large increase in supply.
He said this was because at the same time, work-from-home mandates convinced existing residents to upsize their accommodation.
“Rents dipped only for about a year and then within a year have recovered back to pre-pandemic levels,” Helm said.
“An enormous excess supply of housing was eaten up by those with means to do so, offering little relief for those in housing stress.”
The report says the post-lockdown migration rebound wasn’t the only reason rents have since started rising again.
“Melbourne’s rents rose quickly from mid-2021 to mid-2022 despite no reversal of the population/construction shock,” it says.
P
“By mid-2022, Melbourne’s population was still 0.5 per cent below March 2020 levels, and the dwelling stock 4.8 per cent larger, but average rents were no lower than in March 2020.”Prosper is a think tank funded by a trust formed in 1928 to make the argument that the burden of taxation should move away from income and businesses and onto land and other finite resources.
As revealed in The Age, the state government is looking at taking statutory planning powers away from local government as part of a planning push to boost urban density and ultimately squeeze an extra 1 million homes into Melbourne suburbs by 2050.
Premier Daniel Andrews has confirmed a package of planning reforms is due to be delivered in the second half of this year, aimed at getting more houses built.
The federal and state governments have singled out councils as key culprits for the housing crisis, suggesting they have been responsible for blocking developments on behalf of NIMBY – not in my backyard – ratepayers.
Helm said the findings from his report poured cold water on that narrative.
“There’s just no question that having the right policy setting so that developers can supply housing when people want it is critical,” he said.
“But we think this agenda, particularly the deregulation, planning, taking away planning powers from local councils, has just been overblown in its significance.”
The Property Council of Victoria, which has lobbied the government for the right to bypass councils for planning permissions, declined to comment on the report.
Max Shifman, president of developers peak body the Urban Development Institute of Australia, said the report contained “a lot of conflated issues” and it wasn’t entirely correct to say there was a major oversupply.
“There were so many unusual things that happened concurrently during the pandemic period,” he said.
“They’ve pulled a lot of interesting data together, but I don’t think they’ve assessed it and come to the right conclusion from that data.
“The simple fact is, we have consistently under-delivered the number of dwellings we need, and it’s only getting worse.
“Even approved stuff is not getting built anymore. And it is absolutely the number-one thing we need to fix. We need to get more capacity in the system where its needed and the actual type of housing that people want.”
Melbourne University professor of urban planning David Nichols – who was not involved in the report – said it made logical points about the “accidental laboratory” that was created during the pandemic and that lessons could be drawn from that.
“If the market behaved the way that people with vested interests claim that it does, then we would have seen a longer reduction in rents for longer, and perhaps some greater availability of choice”.
Despite this, Nichols said he wasn’t opposed to stronger state-based planning mechanisms to increase housing options.
“For example, the state government wants to bring back the SEC , they should also bring back the Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works as a planning authority,” he said. “But not do it for the sake of vested interests.”
A Victorian government spokesman said housing affordability was impacted by a number of factors, including tax settings, migration and land supply as “evidenced in the State of the Nation Housing 2022-23 report”.
He said a review of the government’s Plan Melbourne program was underway and pointed to the government’s “significant incentives for developers to enter the Build-to-Rent market” as evidence of how the market could provide affordable rentals at a secure price.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/building-more-homes-won-t-guarantee-cheaper-rents-report-finds-20230518-p5d9d8.html
This is what I was saying a couple of months back.
The problem is not lack of supply of homes, in the abstract. There are more than enough homes in Sydney and Melbourne, as evidenced by the fact that about 400000 of them are unoccupied. The issue is that homes come on the market and are taken up by international investors, financial institutions and Australians who already have property portfolios. There’s not going to be a solution if its treated as a simple supply/demand problem, rather than an issue of governments needing to manage the affordability of shelter.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Interesting take:…
Building more homes ‘won’t guarantee cheaper rents’
By Rachael Dexter
May 22, 2023 — 8.52amKEY POINTS
- COVID lockdowns presented Melbourne with a “remarkable experiment” on the consequences of flooding the market with extra homes, a think tank has found.
- The city lost 1.6 per cent of its population, or 80,000 people, in the year to mid-2021, while housing construction continued unabated.
- Although there was up to 130,000 extra homes in the market, Prosper Australia found there was little downward pressure on rents.
- Its casts doubt on the theory that fast-tracking new housing will bring rents down.Fast-tracking the construction of new homes may not make rentals more affordable in Melbourne, according to a new analysis based on the city’s “unnatural” housing experiment during the COVID-19 peak.
In 2020-21, Melbourne experienced a rare population decline as the city endured one of the world’s longest lockdowns, leading to international students flying home and some residents leaving for regional areas.
But the construction of new homes remained strong during that period, independent think tank Prosper Australia said.
Its economic analysis found that rental prices should have dropped by much more and stayed lower for longer, during the pandemic. However, the reduced demand and increased supply did very little to meaningfully lower prices because the extra housing was absorbed by remaining residents who wanted more space.
Prosper found excess supply, equivalent to two or three years of additional construction, only lowered housing costs by one-tenth for about a year.
Its report urges caution against the assumption that increasing housing supply is guaranteed to drive down rental prices, finding income supplements did far more to help affordability than supply.
Prosper estimates that over the two years to mid-2021, construction outpacing of population growth generated an excess supply of dwellings of about 5.1 per cent to 6.7 per cent of housing stock – the equivalent of 100,0000 to 130,000 dwellings more than previously needed to house the population.
But Tim Helm, Prosper Australia’s director of research and author of the study, said the effect on rents was far more muted than should have been expected for such a large increase in supply.
He said this was because at the same time, work-from-home mandates convinced existing residents to upsize their accommodation.
“Rents dipped only for about a year and then within a year have recovered back to pre-pandemic levels,” Helm said.
“An enormous excess supply of housing was eaten up by those with means to do so, offering little relief for those in housing stress.”
The report says the post-lockdown migration rebound wasn’t the only reason rents have since started rising again.
“Melbourne’s rents rose quickly from mid-2021 to mid-2022 despite no reversal of the population/construction shock,” it says.
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“By mid-2022, Melbourne’s population was still 0.5 per cent below March 2020 levels, and the dwelling stock 4.8 per cent larger, but average rents were no lower than in March 2020.”Prosper is a think tank funded by a trust formed in 1928 to make the argument that the burden of taxation should move away from income and businesses and onto land and other finite resources.
As revealed in The Age, the state government is looking at taking statutory planning powers away from local government as part of a planning push to boost urban density and ultimately squeeze an extra 1 million homes into Melbourne suburbs by 2050.
Premier Daniel Andrews has confirmed a package of planning reforms is due to be delivered in the second half of this year, aimed at getting more houses built.
The federal and state governments have singled out councils as key culprits for the housing crisis, suggesting they have been responsible for blocking developments on behalf of NIMBY – not in my backyard – ratepayers.
Helm said the findings from his report poured cold water on that narrative.
“There’s just no question that having the right policy setting so that developers can supply housing when people want it is critical,” he said.
“But we think this agenda, particularly the deregulation, planning, taking away planning powers from local councils, has just been overblown in its significance.”
The Property Council of Victoria, which has lobbied the government for the right to bypass councils for planning permissions, declined to comment on the report.
Max Shifman, president of developers peak body the Urban Development Institute of Australia, said the report contained “a lot of conflated issues” and it wasn’t entirely correct to say there was a major oversupply.
“There were so many unusual things that happened concurrently during the pandemic period,” he said.
“They’ve pulled a lot of interesting data together, but I don’t think they’ve assessed it and come to the right conclusion from that data.
“The simple fact is, we have consistently under-delivered the number of dwellings we need, and it’s only getting worse.
“Even approved stuff is not getting built anymore. And it is absolutely the number-one thing we need to fix. We need to get more capacity in the system where its needed and the actual type of housing that people want.”
Melbourne University professor of urban planning David Nichols – who was not involved in the report – said it made logical points about the “accidental laboratory” that was created during the pandemic and that lessons could be drawn from that.
“If the market behaved the way that people with vested interests claim that it does, then we would have seen a longer reduction in rents for longer, and perhaps some greater availability of choice”.
Despite this, Nichols said he wasn’t opposed to stronger state-based planning mechanisms to increase housing options.
“For example, the state government wants to bring back the SEC , they should also bring back the Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works as a planning authority,” he said. “But not do it for the sake of vested interests.”
A Victorian government spokesman said housing affordability was impacted by a number of factors, including tax settings, migration and land supply as “evidenced in the State of the Nation Housing 2022-23 report”.
He said a review of the government’s Plan Melbourne program was underway and pointed to the government’s “significant incentives for developers to enter the Build-to-Rent market” as evidence of how the market could provide affordable rentals at a secure price.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/building-more-homes-won-t-guarantee-cheaper-rents-report-finds-20230518-p5d9d8.html
This is what I was saying a couple of months back.
The problem is not lack of supply of homes, in the abstract. There are more than enough homes in Sydney and Melbourne, as evidenced by the fact that about 400000 of them are unoccupied. The issue is that homes come on the market and are taken up by international investors, financial institutions and Australians who already have property portfolios. There’s not going to be a solution if its treated as a simple supply/demand problem, rather than an issue of governments needing to manage the affordability of shelter.
Bollocks!
>>It’s also striking how few unoccupied homes are in our major cities. Sydney is a great example. The map below shows a very uniform absence of unused housing across the whole metropolitan area.<<
Try reading this link for the facts!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-02/housing-property-australias-one-million-empty-homes/101396656
Airbnbs are a problem too. Why rent at $600/w when you can charge $800/night? Sure, it’s not full time, but f you’ve got a property in a sought-after area you’re gonna have a lot of demand.
I’m not sure covid was the best way to gauge rental markets. There was leniency if rent was late, and many landlords froze rents to keep tenants rather than allowing properties to sit empty. Also with no one travelling, airbnbs weren’t needed either.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Interesting take:…
Building more homes ‘won’t guarantee cheaper rents’
By Rachael Dexter
May 22, 2023 — 8.52amKEY POINTS
- COVID lockdowns presented Melbourne with a “remarkable experiment” on the consequences of flooding the market with extra homes, a think tank has found.
- The city lost 1.6 per cent of its population, or 80,000 people, in the year to mid-2021, while housing construction continued unabated.
- Although there was up to 130,000 extra homes in the market, Prosper Australia found there was little downward pressure on rents.
- Its casts doubt on the theory that fast-tracking new housing will bring rents down.Fast-tracking the construction of new homes may not make rentals more affordable in Melbourne, according to a new analysis based on the city’s “unnatural” housing experiment during the COVID-19 peak.
In 2020-21, Melbourne experienced a rare population decline as the city endured one of the world’s longest lockdowns, leading to international students flying home and some residents leaving for regional areas.
But the construction of new homes remained strong during that period, independent think tank Prosper Australia said.
Its economic analysis found that rental prices should have dropped by much more and stayed lower for longer, during the pandemic. However, the reduced demand and increased supply did very little to meaningfully lower prices because the extra housing was absorbed by remaining residents who wanted more space.
Prosper found excess supply, equivalent to two or three years of additional construction, only lowered housing costs by one-tenth for about a year.
Its report urges caution against the assumption that increasing housing supply is guaranteed to drive down rental prices, finding income supplements did far more to help affordability than supply.
Prosper estimates that over the two years to mid-2021, construction outpacing of population growth generated an excess supply of dwellings of about 5.1 per cent to 6.7 per cent of housing stock – the equivalent of 100,0000 to 130,000 dwellings more than previously needed to house the population.
But Tim Helm, Prosper Australia’s director of research and author of the study, said the effect on rents was far more muted than should have been expected for such a large increase in supply.
He said this was because at the same time, work-from-home mandates convinced existing residents to upsize their accommodation.
“Rents dipped only for about a year and then within a year have recovered back to pre-pandemic levels,” Helm said.
“An enormous excess supply of housing was eaten up by those with means to do so, offering little relief for those in housing stress.”
The report says the post-lockdown migration rebound wasn’t the only reason rents have since started rising again.
“Melbourne’s rents rose quickly from mid-2021 to mid-2022 despite no reversal of the population/construction shock,” it says.
P
“By mid-2022, Melbourne’s population was still 0.5 per cent below March 2020 levels, and the dwelling stock 4.8 per cent larger, but average rents were no lower than in March 2020.”Prosper is a think tank funded by a trust formed in 1928 to make the argument that the burden of taxation should move away from income and businesses and onto land and other finite resources.
As revealed in The Age, the state government is looking at taking statutory planning powers away from local government as part of a planning push to boost urban density and ultimately squeeze an extra 1 million homes into Melbourne suburbs by 2050.
Premier Daniel Andrews has confirmed a package of planning reforms is due to be delivered in the second half of this year, aimed at getting more houses built.
The federal and state governments have singled out councils as key culprits for the housing crisis, suggesting they have been responsible for blocking developments on behalf of NIMBY – not in my backyard – ratepayers.
Helm said the findings from his report poured cold water on that narrative.
“There’s just no question that having the right policy setting so that developers can supply housing when people want it is critical,” he said.
“But we think this agenda, particularly the deregulation, planning, taking away planning powers from local councils, has just been overblown in its significance.”
The Property Council of Victoria, which has lobbied the government for the right to bypass councils for planning permissions, declined to comment on the report.
Max Shifman, president of developers peak body the Urban Development Institute of Australia, said the report contained “a lot of conflated issues” and it wasn’t entirely correct to say there was a major oversupply.
“There were so many unusual things that happened concurrently during the pandemic period,” he said.
“They’ve pulled a lot of interesting data together, but I don’t think they’ve assessed it and come to the right conclusion from that data.
“The simple fact is, we have consistently under-delivered the number of dwellings we need, and it’s only getting worse.
“Even approved stuff is not getting built anymore. And it is absolutely the number-one thing we need to fix. We need to get more capacity in the system where its needed and the actual type of housing that people want.”
Melbourne University professor of urban planning David Nichols – who was not involved in the report – said it made logical points about the “accidental laboratory” that was created during the pandemic and that lessons could be drawn from that.
“If the market behaved the way that people with vested interests claim that it does, then we would have seen a longer reduction in rents for longer, and perhaps some greater availability of choice”.
Despite this, Nichols said he wasn’t opposed to stronger state-based planning mechanisms to increase housing options.
“For example, the state government wants to bring back the SEC , they should also bring back the Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works as a planning authority,” he said. “But not do it for the sake of vested interests.”
A Victorian government spokesman said housing affordability was impacted by a number of factors, including tax settings, migration and land supply as “evidenced in the State of the Nation Housing 2022-23 report”.
He said a review of the government’s Plan Melbourne program was underway and pointed to the government’s “significant incentives for developers to enter the Build-to-Rent market” as evidence of how the market could provide affordable rentals at a secure price.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/building-more-homes-won-t-guarantee-cheaper-rents-report-finds-20230518-p5d9d8.html
This is what I was saying a couple of months back.
The problem is not lack of supply of homes, in the abstract. There are more than enough homes in Sydney and Melbourne, as evidenced by the fact that about 400000 of them are unoccupied. The issue is that homes come on the market and are taken up by international investors, financial institutions and Australians who already have property portfolios. There’s not going to be a solution if its treated as a simple supply/demand problem, rather than an issue of governments needing to manage the affordability of shelter.
Bollocks!
>>It’s also striking how few unoccupied homes are in our major cities. Sydney is a great example. The map below shows a very uniform absence of unused housing across the whole metropolitan area.<<
Try reading this link for the facts!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-02/housing-property-australias-one-million-empty-homes/101396656
It’s not clear to me why the author of that piece regards the status as “very uniform absence”. I suppose that’s a qualitative assessment but the numbers don’t lie.
\There were 164,624 empty homes in Sydney in January of this year.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/in-this-sydney-suburb-one-in-three-homes-is-empty-it-s-not-just-a-data-error-20220923-p5bkfh.html
The unoccupied residence rate in Victoria as a whole is 11.1%, meaning some 300000 are empty. Not all of these are in Melbourne of course.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/silent-suburbs-where-are-our-state-s-300-000-empty-homes-20220706-p5azk7.html
Sorry champ but you need to bring numbers rather than qualitative assessments.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:This is what I was saying a couple of months back.
The problem is not lack of supply of homes, in the abstract. There are more than enough homes in Sydney and Melbourne, as evidenced by the fact that about 400000 of them are unoccupied. The issue is that homes come on the market and are taken up by international investors, financial institutions and Australians who already have property portfolios. There’s not going to be a solution if its treated as a simple supply/demand problem, rather than an issue of governments needing to manage the affordability of shelter.
Bollocks!
>>It’s also striking how few unoccupied homes are in our major cities. Sydney is a great example. The map below shows a very uniform absence of unused housing across the whole metropolitan area.<<
Try reading this link for the facts!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-02/housing-property-australias-one-million-empty-homes/101396656
It’s not clear to me why the author of that piece regards the status as “very uniform absence”. I suppose that’s a qualitative assessment but the numbers don’t lie.
\There were 164,624 empty homes in Sydney in January of this year.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/in-this-sydney-suburb-one-in-three-homes-is-empty-it-s-not-just-a-data-error-20220923-p5bkfh.htmlThe unoccupied residence rate in Victoria as a whole is 11.1%, meaning some 300000 are empty. Not all of these are in Melbourne of course.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/silent-suburbs-where-are-our-state-s-300-000-empty-homes-20220706-p5azk7.htmlSorry champ but you need to bring numbers rather than qualitative assessments.
I’m also interested in the hability of said unnoccupied residences. Such things require maintenance expenses which should be somewhat claimable off the negative gearing.
Divine Angel said:
Airbnbs are a problem too. Why rent at $600/w when you can charge $800/night? Sure, it’s not full time, but f you’ve got a property in a sought-after area you’re gonna have a lot of demand.I’m not sure covid was the best way to gauge rental markets. There was leniency if rent was late, and many landlords froze rents to keep tenants rather than allowing properties to sit empty. Also with no one travelling, airbnbs weren’t needed either.
Aye, this is why the situation is more intense than the census indicates. A place may be occupied on census night while still not having a long term resident. If you include all the airbnbs I guess it is much higher than 400000.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:This is what I was saying a couple of months back.
The problem is not lack of supply of homes, in the abstract. There are more than enough homes in Sydney and Melbourne, as evidenced by the fact that about 400000 of them are unoccupied. The issue is that homes come on the market and are taken up by international investors, financial institutions and Australians who already have property portfolios. There’s not going to be a solution if its treated as a simple supply/demand problem, rather than an issue of governments needing to manage the affordability of shelter.
Bollocks!
>>It’s also striking how few unoccupied homes are in our major cities. Sydney is a great example. The map below shows a very uniform absence of unused housing across the whole metropolitan area.<<
Try reading this link for the facts!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-02/housing-property-australias-one-million-empty-homes/101396656
It’s not clear to me why the author of that piece regards the status as “very uniform absence”. I suppose that’s a qualitative assessment but the numbers don’t lie.
\There were 164,624 empty homes in Sydney in January of this year.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/in-this-sydney-suburb-one-in-three-homes-is-empty-it-s-not-just-a-data-error-20220923-p5bkfh.htmlThe unoccupied residence rate in Victoria as a whole is 11.1%, meaning some 300000 are empty. Not all of these are in Melbourne of course.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/silent-suburbs-where-are-our-state-s-300-000-empty-homes-20220706-p5azk7.htmlSorry champ but you need to bring numbers rather than qualitative assessments.
Read the bloody article and get a more rounded view rather than your myopic assessment.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Bollocks!
>>It’s also striking how few unoccupied homes are in our major cities. Sydney is a great example. The map below shows a very uniform absence of unused housing across the whole metropolitan area.<<
Try reading this link for the facts!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-02/housing-property-australias-one-million-empty-homes/101396656
It’s not clear to me why the author of that piece regards the status as “very uniform absence”. I suppose that’s a qualitative assessment but the numbers don’t lie.
\There were 164,624 empty homes in Sydney in January of this year.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/in-this-sydney-suburb-one-in-three-homes-is-empty-it-s-not-just-a-data-error-20220923-p5bkfh.htmlThe unoccupied residence rate in Victoria as a whole is 11.1%, meaning some 300000 are empty. Not all of these are in Melbourne of course.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/silent-suburbs-where-are-our-state-s-300-000-empty-homes-20220706-p5azk7.htmlSorry champ but you need to bring numbers rather than qualitative assessments.
Read the bloody article and get a more rounded view rather than your myopic assessment.
I read it, I even followed up its links for the fullest view.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:It’s not clear to me why the author of that piece regards the status as “very uniform absence”. I suppose that’s a qualitative assessment but the numbers don’t lie.
\There were 164,624 empty homes in Sydney in January of this year.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/in-this-sydney-suburb-one-in-three-homes-is-empty-it-s-not-just-a-data-error-20220923-p5bkfh.htmlThe unoccupied residence rate in Victoria as a whole is 11.1%, meaning some 300000 are empty. Not all of these are in Melbourne of course.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/silent-suburbs-where-are-our-state-s-300-000-empty-homes-20220706-p5azk7.htmlSorry champ but you need to bring numbers rather than qualitative assessments.
Read the bloody article and get a more rounded view rather than your myopic assessment.
I read it, I even followed up its links for the fullest view.
Off like a duck’s back then.
The Victorian government has announced several measures to raise revenue, in a 10 year plan to bring down Covid related debt.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-23/victoria-budget-2023-24-spending-cuts-debt-deficit-surplus/102375714
Today, Treasurer Tim Pallas unveiled a “COVID Debt Levy”, a two-part tax which the government expects will raise $8.6 billion over the next four years and will remain in place until 2033.
Firstly, businesses with a national payroll of more than $10 million will pay additional payroll tax of 0.5 per cent, or 1 per cent if their national payroll exceeds $100 million.
Mr Pallas said he expected the payroll increase would affect about 5 per cent of Victorian businesses.
Secondly, the threshold for Victoria’s land tax — which does not apply to the family home — will be lowered from $300,000 to $50,000.
An annual charge of $500 will apply to affected properties between $50,000 and $100,000 as part of the 10-year levy.
A charge of $975 will apply for property landholdings worth between $100,000 and $300,000, while land tax rates for properties above $300,000 will rise by $975 plus 0.1 per cent of the land’s value.
Mr Pallas, who estimated about 860,000 landowners would be affected, argued the COVID levy targeted businesses and property owners who had seen healthy recent profits.
“We think big business has the capacity to make a modest additional contribution that over the next 10 years to assist in repaying the COVID debt,” Mr Pallas said.
Small businesses have been offered some budget relief, with the payroll tax threshold rising from $700,000 to $900,000 from July next year, then rising to $1 million in 2025.
The government will also move to abolish stamp duty for commercial and industrial properties.
That transition, starting from mid-2024, will see business property owners able to pay an annual property tax over 10 years, rather than a lump sum upon purchase.
But people who own taxable properties that remain vacant will face increased fees, with the absentee owner surcharge rate rising from 2 per cent to 4 per cent.
The measure, which the government said would align Victoria’s taxation of vacant properties with New South Wales, is expected to bring in $283.3 million in 2023-24.
Victoria’s wealthiest private schools have also been asked to contribute to budget repair, as the government announced it will remove the payroll tax exemption for the top 15 per cent of non-government schools by fee level.
Budget papers estimated about 110 schools would be affected, in a measure expected to bring in $134.8 million when it takes effect in 2024-25.
The government has also revealed the state’s native timber industry will close at the end of this year, offering $200 million to help workers in that industry transition to other jobs.
The budget papers confirmed several measures flagged over the past few weeks, including rises to business premiums for WorkCover.
This implies that absentee owner properties in Victoria are worth some 13 billion dollars.
dv said:
The Victorian government has announced several measures to raise revenue, in a 10 year plan to bring down Covid related debt.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-23/victoria-budget-2023-24-spending-cuts-debt-deficit-surplus/102375714
Today, Treasurer Tim Pallas unveiled a “COVID Debt Levy”, a two-part tax which the government expects will raise $8.6 billion over the next four years and will remain in place until 2033.
Firstly, businesses with a national payroll of more than $10 million will pay additional payroll tax of 0.5 per cent, or 1 per cent if their national payroll exceeds $100 million.
Mr Pallas said he expected the payroll increase would affect about 5 per cent of Victorian businesses.
Secondly, the threshold for Victoria’s land tax — which does not apply to the family home — will be lowered from $300,000 to $50,000.
An annual charge of $500 will apply to affected properties between $50,000 and $100,000 as part of the 10-year levy.
A charge of $975 will apply for property landholdings worth between $100,000 and $300,000, while land tax rates for properties above $300,000 will rise by $975 plus 0.1 per cent of the land’s value.
Mr Pallas, who estimated about 860,000 landowners would be affected, argued the COVID levy targeted businesses and property owners who had seen healthy recent profits.
“We think big business has the capacity to make a modest additional contribution that over the next 10 years to assist in repaying the COVID debt,” Mr Pallas said.
Small businesses have been offered some budget relief, with the payroll tax threshold rising from $700,000 to $900,000 from July next year, then rising to $1 million in 2025.
The government will also move to abolish stamp duty for commercial and industrial properties.
That transition, starting from mid-2024, will see business property owners able to pay an annual property tax over 10 years, rather than a lump sum upon purchase.
But people who own taxable properties that remain vacant will face increased fees, with the absentee owner surcharge rate rising from 2 per cent to 4 per cent.
The measure, which the government said would align Victoria’s taxation of vacant properties with New South Wales, is expected to bring in $283.3 million in 2023-24.
Victoria’s wealthiest private schools have also been asked to contribute to budget repair, as the government announced it will remove the payroll tax exemption for the top 15 per cent of non-government schools by fee level.
Budget papers estimated about 110 schools would be affected, in a measure expected to bring in $134.8 million when it takes effect in 2024-25.
The government has also revealed the state’s native timber industry will close at the end of this year, offering $200 million to help workers in that industry transition to other jobs.
The budget papers confirmed several measures flagged over the past few weeks, including rises to business premiums for WorkCover.
Ah, so we get to pay the $500 levy on the covenant (site value $67,000).
dv said:
This implies that absentee owner properties in Victoria are worth some 13 billion dollars.
I don’t really feel like an “absentee” holder of the bush land. I just checked my diary and we’ve visited it 3 times so far this month. Admittedly it’s because of FungiQuest. But we do check it very regularly.
buffy said:
dv said:
This implies that absentee owner properties in Victoria are worth some 13 billion dollars.
I don’t really feel like an “absentee” holder of the bush land. I just checked my diary and we’ve visited it 3 times so far this month. Admittedly it’s because of FungiQuest. But we do check it very regularly.
That block is worth more than any monetary value placed on it.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
dv said:
This implies that absentee owner properties in Victoria are worth some 13 billion dollars.
I don’t really feel like an “absentee” holder of the bush land. I just checked my diary and we’ve visited it 3 times so far this month. Admittedly it’s because of FungiQuest. But we do check it very regularly.
That block is worth more than any monetary value placed on it.
It is not only that we covenanted it, it acts as a barrier between the Weecurra State Forest and the agriforest businesses on the other side of us.
buffy said:
roughbarked said:
buffy said:I don’t really feel like an “absentee” holder of the bush land. I just checked my diary and we’ve visited it 3 times so far this month. Admittedly it’s because of FungiQuest. But we do check it very regularly.
That block is worth more than any monetary value placed on it.
It is not only that we covenanted it, it acts as a barrier between the Weecurra State Forest and the agriforest businesses on the other side of us.
Which is very important.
Defence Chief Angus Campbell has launched a fresh attempt to remove awards from some soldiers who held command positions in the Afghanistan war, following the damning findings of the Brereton inquiry.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/adf-chief-calls-to-remove-medals-from-afghan-soldiers/102383514
dv said:
Defence Chief Angus Campbell has launched a fresh attempt to remove awards from some soldiers who held command positions in the Afghanistan war, following the damning findings of the Brereton inquiry.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/adf-chief-calls-to-remove-medals-from-afghan-soldiers/102383514
Does Angus have any himself?
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Defence Chief Angus Campbell has launched a fresh attempt to remove awards from some soldiers who held command positions in the Afghanistan war, following the damning findings of the Brereton inquiry.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/adf-chief-calls-to-remove-medals-from-afghan-soldiers/102383514
Does Angus have any himself?
He has a Distinguished Service Cross
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Defence Chief Angus Campbell has launched a fresh attempt to remove awards from some soldiers who held command positions in the Afghanistan war, following the damning findings of the Brereton inquiry.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/adf-chief-calls-to-remove-medals-from-afghan-soldiers/102383514
Does Angus have any himself?
Yes
Premier Rockliff has survived a confidence motion, 13 to 12.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Defence Chief Angus Campbell has launched a fresh attempt to remove awards from some soldiers who held command positions in the Afghanistan war, following the damning findings of the Brereton inquiry.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/adf-chief-calls-to-remove-medals-from-afghan-soldiers/102383514
Does Angus have any himself?
Yes
But i don’t see the Afghanistan medal there, so he won’t have to rearrange his own coin collection.
dv said:
Premier Rockliff has survived a confidence motion, 13 to 12.
His heading to the rocks, the fall is inevitable.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:Does Angus have any himself?
Yes
But i don’t see the Afghanistan medal there, so he won’t have to rearrange his own coin collection.
He has a mighty fine coin collection.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Premier Rockliff has survived a confidence motion, 13 to 12.
His heading to the rocks, the fall is inevitable.
It’s just a matter of promising the right inducements to the person with the appropriate amount of greed at a suitable time.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Yes
But i don’t see the Afghanistan medal there, so he won’t have to rearrange his own coin collection.
He has a mighty fine coin collection.
Still not a good as most American corporals. Americans get medals for all sorts of things, being able to tie their own shoelaces, can go to the toilet on his own, stuff like that.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:But i don’t see the Afghanistan medal there, so he won’t have to rearrange his own coin collection.
He has a mighty fine coin collection.
Still not a good as most American corporals. Americans get medals for all sorts of things, being able to tie their own shoelaces, can go to the toilet on his own, stuff like that.
Yeah they over do it like North Korean Generals, and it ends up devaluing what medals are for I think.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:But i don’t see the Afghanistan medal there, so he won’t have to rearrange his own coin collection.
He has a mighty fine coin collection.
Still not a good as most American corporals. Americans get medals for all sorts of things, being able to tie their own shoelaces, can go to the toilet on his own, stuff like that.
And they’re not a patch on the North Korean penchant for medals.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He has a mighty fine coin collection.
Still not a good as most American corporals. Americans get medals for all sorts of things, being able to tie their own shoelaces, can go to the toilet on his own, stuff like that.
And they’re not a patch on the North Korean penchant for medals.
It’s how the Americans keep track of N. Korean generals. They monitor the changes in the Earth’s magnetic field as the generals move about.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:He has a mighty fine coin collection.
Still not a good as most American corporals. Americans get medals for all sorts of things, being able to tie their own shoelaces, can go to the toilet on his own, stuff like that.
Yeah they over do it like North Korean Generals, and it ends up devaluing what medals are for I think.
When you run out of chest space to put them on and they hinder the movement of the left arm while marching.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Still not a good as most American corporals. Americans get medals for all sorts of things, being able to tie their own shoelaces, can go to the toilet on his own, stuff like that.
And they’re not a patch on the North Korean penchant for medals.
It’s how the Americans keep track of N. Korean generals. They monitor the changes in the Earth’s magnetic field as the generals move about.
LOL
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:Still not a good as most American corporals. Americans get medals for all sorts of things, being able to tie their own shoelaces, can go to the toilet on his own, stuff like that.
And they’re not a patch on the North Korean penchant for medals.
It’s how the Americans keep track of N. Korean generals. They monitor the changes in the Earth’s magnetic field as the generals move about.
Shiny targets for missiles.
So shiny the missiles would need sunglasses.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:And they’re not a patch on the North Korean penchant for medals.
It’s how the Americans keep track of N. Korean generals. They monitor the changes in the Earth’s magnetic field as the generals move about.
LOL
N. Korean generals look ridiculous covered in whatchagetthatmedalfor and their hats are too big.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:It’s how the Americans keep track of N. Korean generals. They monitor the changes in the Earth’s magnetic field as the generals move about.
LOL
N. Korean generals look ridiculous covered in whatchagetthatmedalfor and their hats are too big.
They need the big hats because every N. Korean soldier is required to keep an Emergency Cabbage on their person at all times, in case famine descends on the nation.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:LOL
N. Korean generals look ridiculous covered in whatchagetthatmedalfor and their hats are too big.
They need the big hats because every N. Korean soldier is required to keep an Emergency Cabbage on their person at all times, in case famine descends on the nation.
Ah, I wondered why they had big hats and now I know.
But does anyone find its a bit suspicious that a lot of those medals look the same.
It looks like they get the same medal over and over.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Michael V said:LOL
N. Korean generals look ridiculous covered in whatchagetthatmedalfor and their hats are too big.
They need the big hats because every N. Korean soldier is required to keep an Emergency Cabbage on their person at all times, in case famine descends on the nation.
PMSL
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Defence Chief Angus Campbell has launched a fresh attempt to remove awards from some soldiers who held command positions in the Afghanistan war, following the damning findings of the Brereton inquiry.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/adf-chief-calls-to-remove-medals-from-afghan-soldiers/102383514
Does Angus have any himself?
According to the ABC radio news, the answer to that is yes and he is not offering to give it up. But that bulletin was a couple of hours ago. Who knows what has happened since then.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Defence Chief Angus Campbell has launched a fresh attempt to remove awards from some soldiers who held command positions in the Afghanistan war, following the damning findings of the Brereton inquiry.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/adf-chief-calls-to-remove-medals-from-afghan-soldiers/102383514
Does Angus have any himself?
According to the ABC radio news, the answer to that is yes and he is not offering to give it up. But that bulletin was a couple of hours ago. Who knows what has happened since then.
He only suggested that some soldiers who held command positions. He obviously wasn’t offering himself up.
I really think someone who has been Attorney General should be able to tell a case he shouldn’t even consider taking on.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/clive-palmer-christian-porter-case-against-commonwealth/102387224
buffy said:
I really think someone who has been Attorney General should be able to tell a case he shouldn’t even consider taking on.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/clive-palmer-christian-porter-case-against-commonwealth/102387224
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) has launched a criminal investigation into a former executive of consulting firm PwC, after he used confidential Treasury information to benefit the firm’s client base.
In a statement, the Treasury secretary Steven Kennedy said he had asked the AFP to consider a criminal investigation into the firm’s former head of international tax, Peter-John Collins.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/treasury-refers-pwc-matter-to-the-australian-federal-police/102388696
dv said:
The Australian Federal Police (AFP) has launched a criminal investigation into a former executive of consulting firm PwC, after he used confidential Treasury information to benefit the firm’s client base.In a statement, the Treasury secretary Steven Kennedy said he had asked the AFP to consider a criminal investigation into the firm’s former head of international tax, Peter-John Collins.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-24/treasury-refers-pwc-matter-to-the-australian-federal-police/102388696
Good.
Also, PWC should be blacklisted from future government contracts for a good length of time.
Liberals in disarray. :)
Mr Potato Head is all in.
Does he know he is on the losing side?
Will he survive the fall out ?
EMRS poll out of Tasmania
The normally popular Jeremy Rockliff has fallen behind Rebecca White for the first time (38-40) in the preferred premier poll.
In primary party support, the Libs have fallen to 36%, Labor 31%, Greens 15%, Independents 16%, other 2%.
The Australian blames ‘production error’ for attack on Noel Pearson added to reader’s letter
Areader of the Australian was left “horrified” after a letter she sent to the newspaper was printed with the addition of two sentences defending the masthead and criticising Indigenous leader Noel Pearson as “shrill” and “prejudiced”.
After reading Pearson’s thoughts on the voice, the reader wrote to the letters page: “I was disappointed that Noel Pearson generalised me as a ‘borderline casual racist. I have long admired Pearson as an intelligent, well-educated and wonderful Australian.”
But when she opened the paper on Monday she saw a very different letter.
The words Rupert Murdoch’s national broadsheet inserted were: “I am at a loss to understand how Pearson thinks that his increasingly shrill denunciations of those who have voiced opposition to the model will win over those who may still be undecided.
“To casually dismiss ‘the boomer readership’ of The Australian as ‘mostly obscurantist and borderline casual racists’ displays a prejudice that would be rightly dismissed if it were directed against any other group within our society.”
The reader, who the Guardian has chosen not to name, said she was a regular purchaser of the Weekend Australian.
“When I saw it I was absolutely horrified because I thought ‘my God for them to actually do that in this day and age’,” she said of her changed letter.
—-https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2023/may/26/the-australian-blames-production-error-for-attack-on-noel-pearson-added-to-readers-letter?CMP=soc_567
Lost in Transition: Report lays bare Greens gender rift, warns of split risk
By Chip Le Grand
May 27, 2023 — 5.00am
An internal war within the Victorian Greens over allegations of transphobia has taken an unexpected turn, with the leadership facing pushback from ordinary members who believe bullying by trans activists is a bigger problem within the party than bigotry.
The report of a special panel of inquiry established late last year with the support of state leader Samantha Ratnam and senator Janet Rice to investigate the purported, transphobic views of party members was handed to the Greens’ state council last Sunday.
The report, which the council refused to make available to party members but has been obtained by this masthead, makes no findings against any individuals and does not contain evidence of anti-trans sentiment being rife within the Greens.
The “overwhelming majority” of submissions made to the panel argued there was no transphobia in the party and that two prominent Greens members repeatedly accused of being anti-trans – City of Melbourne councillor Rohan Leppert and senior industrial officer Linda Gale – should be allowed to speak their mind about sex and gender.
The report reveals that Leppert and Gale have been investigated and cleared on multiple occasions over the past 12 months by the party’s regular disciplinary processes, in response to sometimes overlapping complaints. Strict confidentiality provisions prevent members from discussing disciplinary processes – including complaints against them – unless there are adverse findings.
The only unresolved disciplinary matters cited by the report are against elected party representatives – Ratnam, Rice, Victorian state MPs Tim Read and Sam Hibbins, and Port Phillip councillor Tim Baxter – for publicly disparaging Gale’s election as state convenor.
The report noted that while five members of Queer Greens Victoria group expressed “distress and concern about what they perceived as transphobia in the AGV”, a further 32 submissions received from the party’s broader membership mostly argued that trans activists were bullies who were hurting the party.
The Victorian Greens were at risk of splitting over the issue, the panel warned, as there was evidence of an “organised subgroup” within the party intent on challenging national and state policies on sexual orientation and gender identity.
The panel report quoted from an unpublished Greens evaluation of its 2022 state election performance, which claimed that the party’s “failure to swiftly and decisively reject transphobia and people who have a history of transphobia” caused volunteers to quit campaigns in target seats.
“This issue has been a source of long-running conflict and tension, and it has had a severe effect on internal morale, soaked up a significant amount of internal energy and caused a number of young volunteer leaders, who would represent the next generation of party leadership, to quit,” the election assessment warned.
It urged the Greens to “quickly and decisively move to end transphobia in the party”.
Despite the perception of rampant transphobia within the Greens, the special panel of inquiry report contains no new evidence against any party members. The evidence gathered ranges from Leppert’s well documented concerns about the unintended consequences of Victoria’s conversion prohibition laws, to Gale’s thoughts about sex-based rights and more frivolous complaints about Leppert following author JK Rowling on Twitter.
A source who attended Sunday’s state council meeting said the party’s governing body rejected calls to make the report public and apologise to Leppert and Gale. The source, speaking confidentially to divulge details of the meeting, said the party leadership had misread the mood of members.
“It has been going on for so long that people are fed up,” the source said. “People want to talk about climate change, they want to talk about housing. They are sick of people coming to their branch meetings and telling them they are transphobic.”
Ratnam declined to respond to questions from this masthead.
The state council last month adopted a new, expansive definition of transphobia which proscribes as hate speech any questioning of the priority given to gender identity above sex in public policy. When the definition was adopted, Greens activist and trans woman Bianca Haven tweeted sardonically: “I have finally won the war on women.”
The special panel of inquiry initially comprised three members: La Trobe University social work lecturer Emily Bieber, workplace lawyer and former Greens candidate Susanna Moore and Esther Kennedy, a former political organiser for federal leader Adam Bandt.
Bieber, who convened the misconduct panels which cleared Leppert and Gale, later withdrew due to a conflict of interest.
The inquiry was set up to “consider whether or not misconduct has occurred and if so, to apply appropriate sanctions”. The panel informed the state council in March that it did not consider itself as an ad hoc disciplinary body and would limit its report to findings of fact.
In an email to Greens members this week, the council confirmed it had received the panel’s report and it “is treating this matter with utmost seriousness”. The council has scheduled an extraordinary meeting for Sunday to consider its response.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/lost-in-transition-report-lays-bare-greens-gender-rift-warns-of-split-risk-20230526-p5dbgu.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Lost in Transition: Report lays bare Greens gender rift, warns of split risk
By Chip Le Grand
May 27, 2023 — 5.00amAn internal war within the Victorian Greens over allegations of transphobia has taken an unexpected turn, with the leadership facing pushback from ordinary members who believe bullying by trans activists is a bigger problem within the party than bigotry.
The report of a special panel of inquiry established late last year with the support of state leader Samantha Ratnam and senator Janet Rice to investigate the purported, transphobic views of party members was handed to the Greens’ state council last Sunday.
The report, which the council refused to make available to party members but has been obtained by this masthead, makes no findings against any individuals and does not contain evidence of anti-trans sentiment being rife within the Greens.
The “overwhelming majority” of submissions made to the panel argued there was no transphobia in the party and that two prominent Greens members repeatedly accused of being anti-trans – City of Melbourne councillor Rohan Leppert and senior industrial officer Linda Gale – should be allowed to speak their mind about sex and gender.
The report reveals that Leppert and Gale have been investigated and cleared on multiple occasions over the past 12 months by the party’s regular disciplinary processes, in response to sometimes overlapping complaints. Strict confidentiality provisions prevent members from discussing disciplinary processes – including complaints against them – unless there are adverse findings.
The only unresolved disciplinary matters cited by the report are against elected party representatives – Ratnam, Rice, Victorian state MPs Tim Read and Sam Hibbins, and Port Phillip councillor Tim Baxter – for publicly disparaging Gale’s election as state convenor.
The report noted that while five members of Queer Greens Victoria group expressed “distress and concern about what they perceived as transphobia in the AGV”, a further 32 submissions received from the party’s broader membership mostly argued that trans activists were bullies who were hurting the party.
The Victorian Greens were at risk of splitting over the issue, the panel warned, as there was evidence of an “organised subgroup” within the party intent on challenging national and state policies on sexual orientation and gender identity.
The panel report quoted from an unpublished Greens evaluation of its 2022 state election performance, which claimed that the party’s “failure to swiftly and decisively reject transphobia and people who have a history of transphobia” caused volunteers to quit campaigns in target seats.
“This issue has been a source of long-running conflict and tension, and it has had a severe effect on internal morale, soaked up a significant amount of internal energy and caused a number of young volunteer leaders, who would represent the next generation of party leadership, to quit,” the election assessment warned.
It urged the Greens to “quickly and decisively move to end transphobia in the party”.
Despite the perception of rampant transphobia within the Greens, the special panel of inquiry report contains no new evidence against any party members. The evidence gathered ranges from Leppert’s well documented concerns about the unintended consequences of Victoria’s conversion prohibition laws, to Gale’s thoughts about sex-based rights and more frivolous complaints about Leppert following author JK Rowling on Twitter.
A source who attended Sunday’s state council meeting said the party’s governing body rejected calls to make the report public and apologise to Leppert and Gale. The source, speaking confidentially to divulge details of the meeting, said the party leadership had misread the mood of members.
“It has been going on for so long that people are fed up,” the source said. “People want to talk about climate change, they want to talk about housing. They are sick of people coming to their branch meetings and telling them they are transphobic.”
Ratnam declined to respond to questions from this masthead.
The state council last month adopted a new, expansive definition of transphobia which proscribes as hate speech any questioning of the priority given to gender identity above sex in public policy. When the definition was adopted, Greens activist and trans woman Bianca Haven tweeted sardonically: “I have finally won the war on women.”
The special panel of inquiry initially comprised three members: La Trobe University social work lecturer Emily Bieber, workplace lawyer and former Greens candidate Susanna Moore and Esther Kennedy, a former political organiser for federal leader Adam Bandt.
Bieber, who convened the misconduct panels which cleared Leppert and Gale, later withdrew due to a conflict of interest.
The inquiry was set up to “consider whether or not misconduct has occurred and if so, to apply appropriate sanctions”. The panel informed the state council in March that it did not consider itself as an ad hoc disciplinary body and would limit its report to findings of fact.
In an email to Greens members this week, the council confirmed it had received the panel’s report and it “is treating this matter with utmost seriousness”. The council has scheduled an extraordinary meeting for Sunday to consider its response.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/lost-in-transition-report-lays-bare-greens-gender-rift-warns-of-split-risk-20230526-p5dbgu.html
It’s a work in progress.
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
when is the byelection?
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
To match real life, there’s likely to be a few lies in it.
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
To match real life, there’s likely to be a few lies in it.
It’s under the Christian imprint so maybe it’s not an autobiography, it’s a religious book. Hillsong only has a music publishing arm IIRC.
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
He’s got a nerve, using the honorific
Divine Angel said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
To match real life, there’s likely to be a few lies in it.
It’s under the Christian imprint so maybe it’s not an autobiography, it’s a religious book. Hillsong only has a music publishing arm IIRC.
Hillsong? Lies aplenty, then.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
LOLOL
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Ooh someone has a book coming out.
He’s got a nerve, using the honorific
^
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:It’s under the Christian imprint so maybe it’s not an autobiography, it’s a religious book. Hillsong only has a music publishing arm IIRC.
Hillsong? Lies aplenty, then.
As we know from Hillsong’s previous exploits, it’s not what they tell you that’s significant, it’s the things they try to keep under their hats.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Divine Angel said:It’s under the Christian imprint so maybe it’s not an autobiography, it’s a religious book. Hillsong only has a music publishing arm IIRC.
Hillsong? Lies aplenty, then.
As we know from Hillsong’s previous exploits, it’s not what they tell you that’s significant, it’s the things they try to keep under their hats.
Yes.
Lydia Thorpe is on ‘Insiders’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Lydia Thorpe is on ‘Insiders’.
David Speers seems to be handling her well.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Lydia Thorpe is on ‘Insiders’.
David Speers seems to be handling her well.
So what exactly does “black sovereignty” mean?
Do they want a pres selected by descendants of first inhabitants only, or what?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Lydia Thorpe is on ‘Insiders’.
David Speers seems to be handling her well.
So what exactly does “black sovereignty” mean?
Do they want a pres selected by descendants of first inhabitants only, or what?
I think it’s about recognition that Aboriginal Australia was a sovereign entity that was defeated in war by the British Crown in the process of colonisation and therefore a peace-treaty of sorts needs to be decided upon that recognises and compensates the losing side which hasn’t happened yet. It’s a minority opinion but certainly not a fringe theory.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Lydia Thorpe is on ‘Insiders’.
David Speers seems to be handling her well.
So what exactly does “black sovereignty” mean?
Do they want a pres selected by descendants of first inhabitants only, or what?
For some, yes. Basically there is a movement who want a separate class of “native nobility” who live off royalties and taxes collected from the general population, as some kind of reparations for the effects of white settlement. Entry to this class being based on ancestry.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:David Speers seems to be handling her well.
So what exactly does “black sovereignty” mean?
Do they want a pres selected by descendants of first inhabitants only, or what?
I think it’s about recognition that Aboriginal Australia was a sovereign entity that was defeated in war by the British Crown in the process of colonisation and therefore a peace-treaty of sorts needs to be decided upon that recognises and compensates the losing side which hasn’t happened yet. It’s a minority opinion but certainly not a fringe theory.
If only there was some nearby country with a similar history of European colonisation that we could use as a model for making progress on this stuff.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So what exactly does “black sovereignty” mean?
Do they want a pres selected by descendants of first inhabitants only, or what?
I think it’s about recognition that Aboriginal Australia was a sovereign entity that was defeated in war by the British Crown in the process of colonisation and therefore a peace-treaty of sorts needs to be decided upon that recognises and compensates the losing side which hasn’t happened yet. It’s a minority opinion but certainly not a fringe theory.
If only there was some nearby country with a similar history of European colonisation that we could use as a model for making progress on this stuff.
Indeed.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:David Speers seems to be handling her well.
So what exactly does “black sovereignty” mean?
Do they want a pres selected by descendants of first inhabitants only, or what?
For some, yes. Basically there is a movement who want a separate class of “native nobility” who live off royalties and taxes collected from the general population, as some kind of reparations for the effects of white settlement. Entry to this class being based on ancestry.
I’d say the WR proposal looks a lot more reasonable than the p_p proposal. :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So what exactly does “black sovereignty” mean?
Do they want a pres selected by descendants of first inhabitants only, or what?
For some, yes. Basically there is a movement who want a separate class of “native nobility” who live off royalties and taxes collected from the general population, as some kind of reparations for the effects of white settlement. Entry to this class being based on ancestry.
I’d say the WR proposal looks a lot more reasonable than the p_p proposal. :)
It s not my proposal, just my paraphrasing of what I understand of the position.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:For some, yes. Basically there is a movement who want a separate class of “native nobility” who live off royalties and taxes collected from the general population, as some kind of reparations for the effects of white settlement. Entry to this class being based on ancestry.
I’d say the WR proposal looks a lot more reasonable than the p_p proposal. :)
It s not my proposal, just my paraphrasing of what I understand of the position.
As was mine.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:For some, yes. Basically there is a movement who want a separate class of “native nobility” who live off royalties and taxes collected from the general population, as some kind of reparations for the effects of white settlement. Entry to this class being based on ancestry.
I’d say the WR proposal looks a lot more reasonable than the p_p proposal. :)
It s not my proposal, just my paraphrasing of what I understand of the position.
The working out of treaties takes a long time, likely many years. They definitely need the voice to go about entering into any treaty.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’d say the WR proposal looks a lot more reasonable than the p_p proposal. :)
It s not my proposal, just my paraphrasing of what I understand of the position.
As was mine.
I know – hence the :)
(No input from chat-bots this time)
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I think it’s about recognition that Aboriginal Australia was a sovereign entity that was defeated in war by the British Crown in the process of colonisation and therefore a peace-treaty of sorts needs to be decided upon that recognises and compensates the losing side which hasn’t happened yet. It’s a minority opinion but certainly not a fringe theory.
If only there was some nearby country with a similar history of European colonisation that we could use as a model for making progress on this stuff.
Indeed.
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:If only there was some nearby country with a similar history of European colonisation that we could use as a model for making progress on this stuff.
Indeed.
Indonesia?
Methinks he means NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Waitangi
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:If only there was some nearby country with a similar history of European colonisation that we could use as a model for making progress on this stuff.
Indeed.
Indonesia?
Well I had New Zealand in mind. I can’t speak for Witty though.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Indeed.
Indonesia?Methinks he means NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Waitangi
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:Indonesia?
Methinks he means NZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Waitangi
Just being frivolous.
That’s all right then :)
Australia Reckons With TV Host’s Exit Over Racist Abuse
Stan Grant, an Indigenous journalist, was attacked on social media after talking during coronation coverage about the brutality of colonialism.
By Yan Zhuang
Reporting from Sydney, Australia
May 23, 2023
When one of Australia’s most high-profile journalists announced he would step away from his television hosting duties because of racist abuse, it sent shock waves through the country’s media industry.
The journalist, Stan Grant, said on Friday in an opinion piece for his employer’s website that he and his family had suffered “relentless” racial abuse after he talked, during the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s coverage of the coronation of King Charles III, about colonial-era violence unleashed on Australia’s Indigenous people.
Mr. Grant has been a journalist for more than 30 years and is a familiar presence on TV screens as the host of the national broadcaster’s popular current affairs talk show “Q+A.” On Monday, in his final appearance on the show for now, he said that the attacks from social media and other outlets had distorted his words and had taken a toll.
“To those who have abused me and my family, I would just say — if your aim was to hurt me, well, you’ve succeeded,” he said, adding that his time away would be temporary. “I’m down right now, I am. But I will get back up. And you can come at me again, and I will meet you with the love of my people.”
In his opinion piece, he accused his employer, the ABC, of “institutional failure.” No one at the company, even those who had invited him to participate in the coronation coverage, “has uttered one word of public support,” he said.
“I take time off because we have shown again that our history — our hard truth — is too big, too fragile, too precious for the media,” he wrote. “The media sees only battle lines, not bridges. It sees only politics.”
In the coronation segment, Mr. Grant spoke about how an “exterminating war” had been declared on his people, the Wiradjuri tribe, in the name of the crown. The coronation ceremony was not, he said, “something that is distant, that is just ceremonial that doesn’t hold weight. It holds weight for First Nations people, because that crown put a weight on us, and we are still dealing with that.”
The ABC received a number of complaints from viewers who thought the segment was overly critical. Two prominent radio hosts said the coverage “totally misread the mood” and was “bile,” while some news articles labeled Mr. Grant’s comments as “tirades” and a “rant.” Other panelists critical of the monarchy said they did not receive the same level of vitriol as Mr. Grant.
While Australia celebrates its multiculturalism, it lags behind other Western countries in the diversity of its government, boardrooms and media institutions, and is still reckoning with a bloody colonial past that has never fully receded. Part of that reckoning will occur later this year, when the nation will hold a referendum on whether to enshrine in the Constitution a body to advise the government on Indigenous issues.
The announcement of Mr. Grant’s leave inspired other Indigenous and nonwhite journalists to speak out, detailing the racism they said they had encountered while working and the failure of their workplaces to protect and support them or comprehend the additional challenges they face.
Mr. Grant’s experience highlighted the heavy price Indigenous journalists paid for challenging mainstream perspectives in an industry that has historically excluded their voices, said Narelda Jacobs, a television journalist and presenter with Network 10 who is from the Indigenous Noongar tribe.
“The media in Australia has been unbalanced throughout its history,” she said. “He was trying to be the balance, and then he got attacked for it.”
“When people try to highlight the issues that we have with racism, they are attacked and torn down by a section of the media, and they are silenced,” she added. “And there are not enough culturally safe environments to be able to have these conversations on issues of national importance.”
Although much of the recent criticism has been directed at the ABC, journalists have said the workplace issues are industrywide. The company is one of Australia’s more diverse media organizations, as one of the two government-funded national broadcasters that have a public responsibility mandate that commercial media organizations do not.
On Sunday, the ABC said that it would review how the organization responded to racism affecting its staff, and it issued an apology to Mr. Grant. On Monday, staff at the broadcaster walked off the job in protest of Mr. Grant’s treatment, carrying signs reading #IStandWithStan and #WeRejectRacism.
“It is a bit of a reckoning,” said Mariam Veiszadeh, the chief executive of Media Diversity Australia. Mr. Grant’s absence was being felt so acutely because “there is no one of his caliber, of a First Nations background, of his experience, that can fill the void,” she said, and his departure was a blow to the many young Indigenous and nonwhite journalists who “pin their hopes and aspirations and dreams on people like Stan Grant.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/world/asia/australia-stan-grant.html?
…the New York Times covered the story?
There’s a lot to unpack in that article. I’m still caught up on people complaining about the segment. I saw it, thought it was a bit weird, moved on with my life. Didn’t give it second thought until Stan Grant resigned over racism. (I don’t even know what racist commentary he endured.)
Albo’s jetting off to Singapore this Friday: I wonder what he’ll have to say:
…
Shangri-La Dialogue
Defense ministers and officials from Asian and European countries as well as the U.S. will gather in Singapore for a three-day security summit to debate the most pressing challenges in the Asia-Pacific region and hold bilateral talks. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese will deliver a keynote speech at the event, which is hosted by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a U.K.-based think tank.
Divine Angel said:
…the New York Times covered the story?
Yeah.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Albo’s jetting off to Singapore this Friday: I wonder what he’ll have to say:…
Shangri-La Dialogue
Defense ministers and officials from Asian and European countries as well as the U.S. will gather in Singapore for a three-day security summit to debate the most pressing challenges in the Asia-Pacific region and hold bilateral talks. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese will deliver a keynote speech at the event, which is hosted by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a U.K.-based think tank.
Would ignorance and misinformation missiles take out a think tank
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Albo’s jetting off to Singapore this Friday: I wonder what he’ll have to say:…
Shangri-La Dialogue
Defense ministers and officials from Asian and European countries as well as the U.S. will gather in Singapore for a three-day security summit to debate the most pressing challenges in the Asia-Pacific region and hold bilateral talks. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese will deliver a keynote speech at the event, which is hosted by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), a U.K.-based think tank.
Would ignorance and misinformation missiles take out a think tank
:)
Honest Government Ad | South Australia Protest Laws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kecnSHmznic
Divine Angel said:
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Darn, I was hoping it was Mark Latham.
Yes, i thought the same thing, “at last, they’re going to have him committed”.
Divine Angel said:
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Darn, I was hoping it was Mark Latham.
we should be so lucky. it is the Good Mark though not the Evil Mark.
JudgeMental said:
Divine Angel said:
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Darn, I was hoping it was Mark Latham.
we should be so lucky. it is the Good Mark though not the Evil Mark.
It’s all relative, compared to Latham, he is good…
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Holy shit.
Quite unexpected.
Still, might as well go out on top I guess.
dv said:
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Holy shit.
Quite unexpected.
Still, might as well go out on top I guess.
he’s not on top anymore – he has said some very questionable things about juvenile prisoners and crime lately..
Arts said:
dv said:
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Holy shit.
Quite unexpected.
Still, might as well go out on top I guess.
he’s not on top anymore – he has said some very questionable things about juvenile prisoners and crime lately..
And he loves China…
dv said:
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Holy shit.
Quite unexpected.
Still, might as well go out on top I guess.
Reminds me a bit of Gutwein’s surprise resignation as Tas premier and MP, also citing exhaustion.
Since leaving parliament he hasn’t even bothered renewing his Liberal Party membership.
furious said:
Arts said:
dv said:Holy shit.
Quite unexpected.
Still, might as well go out on top I guess.
he’s not on top anymore – he has said some very questionable things about juvenile prisoners and crime lately..
And he loves China…
when he first was elected and he was doing all the good and reasonable things for COVID he was my 2nd husband.. then I met him and found out he was a close talker – so we separated.. and a few months ago after his response to the riots at the Juvenile prison I divorced him… so to me he is now my future ex husband…
Arts said:
when he first was elected and he was doing all the good and reasonable things for COVID he was my 2nd husband.. then I met him and found out he was a close talker – so we separated.. and a few months ago after his response to the riots at the Juvenile prison I divorced him… so to me he is now my future ex husband…
That’s so poetic 🥺
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
furious said:
bye bye, Mark…
Holy shit.
Quite unexpected.
Still, might as well go out on top I guess.
Reminds me a bit of Gutwein’s surprise resignation as Tas premier and MP, also citing exhaustion.
Since leaving parliament he hasn’t even bothered renewing his Liberal Party membership.
Understandable
Probably best McGowan resigns now before the real story gets out.
Peak Warming Man said:
Probably best McGowan resigns now before the real story gets out.
It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister should resign, and his actions are tantamount to war crimes. A report will be prepared for the coroner.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australia Reckons With TV Host’s Exit Over Racist Abuse
Stan Grant, an Indigenous journalist, was attacked on social media after talking during coronation coverage about the brutality of colonialism.By Yan Zhuang
Reporting from Sydney, AustraliaMay 23, 2023
When one of Australia’s most high-profile journalists announced he would step away from his television hosting duties because of racist abuse, it sent shock waves through the country’s media industry.The journalist, Stan Grant, said on Friday in an opinion piece for his employer’s website that he and his family had suffered “relentless” racial abuse after he talked, during the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s coverage of the coronation of King Charles III, about colonial-era violence unleashed on Australia’s Indigenous people.
Mr. Grant has been a journalist for more than 30 years and is a familiar presence on TV screens as the host of the national broadcaster’s popular current affairs talk show “Q+A.” On Monday, in his final appearance on the show for now, he said that the attacks from social media and other outlets had distorted his words and had taken a toll.
“To those who have abused me and my family, I would just say — if your aim was to hurt me, well, you’ve succeeded,” he said, adding that his time away would be temporary. “I’m down right now, I am. But I will get back up. And you can come at me again, and I will meet you with the love of my people.”
In his opinion piece, he accused his employer, the ABC, of “institutional failure.” No one at the company, even those who had invited him to participate in the coronation coverage, “has uttered one word of public support,” he said.
“I take time off because we have shown again that our history — our hard truth — is too big, too fragile, too precious for the media,” he wrote. “The media sees only battle lines, not bridges. It sees only politics.”
In the coronation segment, Mr. Grant spoke about how an “exterminating war” had been declared on his people, the Wiradjuri tribe, in the name of the crown. The coronation ceremony was not, he said, “something that is distant, that is just ceremonial that doesn’t hold weight. It holds weight for First Nations people, because that crown put a weight on us, and we are still dealing with that.”
The ABC received a number of complaints from viewers who thought the segment was overly critical. Two prominent radio hosts said the coverage “totally misread the mood” and was “bile,” while some news articles labeled Mr. Grant’s comments as “tirades” and a “rant.” Other panelists critical of the monarchy said they did not receive the same level of vitriol as Mr. Grant.
While Australia celebrates its multiculturalism, it lags behind other Western countries in the diversity of its government, boardrooms and media institutions, and is still reckoning with a bloody colonial past that has never fully receded. Part of that reckoning will occur later this year, when the nation will hold a referendum on whether to enshrine in the Constitution a body to advise the government on Indigenous issues.
The announcement of Mr. Grant’s leave inspired other Indigenous and nonwhite journalists to speak out, detailing the racism they said they had encountered while working and the failure of their workplaces to protect and support them or comprehend the additional challenges they face.
Mr. Grant’s experience highlighted the heavy price Indigenous journalists paid for challenging mainstream perspectives in an industry that has historically excluded their voices, said Narelda Jacobs, a television journalist and presenter with Network 10 who is from the Indigenous Noongar tribe.
“The media in Australia has been unbalanced throughout its history,” she said. “He was trying to be the balance, and then he got attacked for it.”
“When people try to highlight the issues that we have with racism, they are attacked and torn down by a section of the media, and they are silenced,” she added. “And there are not enough culturally safe environments to be able to have these conversations on issues of national importance.”
Although much of the recent criticism has been directed at the ABC, journalists have said the workplace issues are industrywide. The company is one of Australia’s more diverse media organizations, as one of the two government-funded national broadcasters that have a public responsibility mandate that commercial media organizations do not.
On Sunday, the ABC said that it would review how the organization responded to racism affecting its staff, and it issued an apology to Mr. Grant. On Monday, staff at the broadcaster walked off the job in protest of Mr. Grant’s treatment, carrying signs reading #IStandWithStan and #WeRejectRacism.
“It is a bit of a reckoning,” said Mariam Veiszadeh, the chief executive of Media Diversity Australia. Mr. Grant’s absence was being felt so acutely because “there is no one of his caliber, of a First Nations background, of his experience, that can fill the void,” she said, and his departure was a blow to the many young Indigenous and nonwhite journalists who “pin their hopes and aspirations and dreams on people like Stan Grant.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/world/asia/australia-stan-grant.html?
:(((
Mark McGowan is exhausted. It’s from keeping a straight face
By Tony Wright
May 29, 2023 — 6.13pm
Poor Mark McGowan. He’s exhausted. So exhausted, he’s quitting as premier of Western Australia.
His fatigue must be from the immense effort required to prevent himself leaping in the air, grinning madly while clicking his heels and shouting “Can you believe my embarrassment of good luck?”
He’s just 55.
And, in truth, pretty bland, despite gaining popularity ratings reaching a stratospheric 91 per cent – higher than any previous Australian politician.
Why, at the last West Australian state election, just two years ago, his Labor Party won 53 out of 59 of the seats in the Legislative Assembly. The Liberals hold two seats. True story.
You’d run out of energy just thinking about that level of political fortune.
All it took, really (apart from the Liberal Party’s recent enthrallment with self-destruction), was to close the state borders to the entire outside world during COVID, thus persuading West Australians that what they already thought about themselves was true. They were the chosen ones, and it was by no more than a rotten accident of history that their promised land was lumped in with a federated nation of Australia.
Meanwhile, McGowan led a people whose principal job was to count their community cash jar.
It surely went close to bringing him to his knees, gasping with mirth, to wake every morning knowing that a Liberal, Scott Morrison, decided a few years ago it was a jim dandy idea to shower WA with so much GST largesse the state has since suffered the danger of sinking beneath the weight of it.
Morrison’s deal means McGowan’s WA currently receives 70 cents of every dollar of GST raised within the state (and 75 per cent from next year) – which, considering the place is bulging with zillionaires insisting on digging up ever-greater wealth, is worth, at last count, $86 billion this financial year.
You’d bust a boiler trying to do all the delicious figuring, particularly when you know the deal costs Australia about $5 billion this year and leaves every state and territory except WA staring at what economists call a fiscal cliff in the next three years.
Meanwhile, the WA government’s recent budget merrily confirmed the state is indeed awash in filthy lucre, its debt declining for the fourth year in a row, achieving a $4.2 billion final net operating surplus for 2022-23, and more surpluses forecast to the far horizon starting with $3.3 billion for 2023-24.
McGowan and his people have been reduced to working feverishly to distribute some of their Treasury’s embarrassment of riches, tossing a minimum $400 to every household in the state in electricity credits over coming months.
You can see the poor fellow’s predicament.
He’s plum tuckered out from all that counting of blessings.
Exhausted.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/western-australia/mark-mcgowan-is-exhausted-it-s-from-keeping-a-straight-face-20230529-p5dc9p.html
Gah, I hate opinion pieces. How about Tony Wright holds the position and finds out how energetic he is?
Divine Angel said:
Gah, I hate opinion pieces. How about Tony Wright holds the position and finds out how energetic he is?
I was surprised to hear McGowan had been in parliament so long. I can understand that 23 years in essentially the same job is a looong time. What I don’t understand is all these pollies saying they want to spend more time with the family when they have teenagers. The first decade of your kids’ life is when you should be all in. Raised properly teenagers will take care of themselves.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Divine Angel said:
Gah, I hate opinion pieces. How about Tony Wright holds the position and finds out how energetic he is?
I was surprised to hear McGowan had been in parliament so long. I can understand that 23 years in essentially the same job is a looong time. What I don’t understand is all these pollies saying they want to spend more time with the family when they have teenagers. The first decade of your kids’ life is when you should be all in. Raised properly, teenagers will take care of themselves.
insert comma
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Divine Angel said:
Gah, I hate opinion pieces. How about Tony Wright holds the position and finds out how energetic he is?
I was surprised to hear McGowan had been in parliament so long. I can understand that 23 years in essentially the same job is a looong time. What I don’t understand is all these pollies saying they want to spend more time with the family when they have teenagers. The first decade of your kids’ life is when you should be all in. Raised properly, teenagers will take care of themselves.
insert comma
27 years not 23
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I was surprised to hear McGowan had been in parliament so long. I can understand that 23 years in essentially the same job is a looong time. What I don’t understand is all these pollies saying they want to spend more time with the family when they have teenagers. The first decade of your kids’ life is when you should be all in. Raised properly, teenagers will take care of themselves.
insert comma
27 years not 23
Had your morning coffee yet?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:insert comma
27 years not 23
Had your morning coffee yet?
Nyet but I seldom do. But I do feel like rolling over and going back to sleep so make of that what you will.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:27 years not 23
Had your morning coffee yet?
Nyet but I seldom do. But I do feel like rolling over and going back to sleep so make of that what you will.
I often feel like that. :)
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Divine Angel said:
Gah, I hate opinion pieces. How about Tony Wright holds the position and finds out how energetic he is?
I was surprised to hear McGowan had been in parliament so long. I can understand that 23 years in essentially the same job is a looong time. What I don’t understand is all these pollies saying they want to spend more time with the family when they have teenagers. The first decade of your kids’ life is when you should be all in. Raised properly, teenagers will take care of themselves.
insert comma
Would you be surprised if they weren’t actually telling the truth.
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I was surprised to hear McGowan had been in parliament so long. I can understand that 23 years in essentially the same job is a looong time. What I don’t understand is all these pollies saying they want to spend more time with the family when they have teenagers. The first decade of your kids’ life is when you should be all in. Raised properly, teenagers will take care of themselves.
insert comma
Would you be surprised if they weren’t actually telling the truth.
That’s what politicans do.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Mark McGowan is exhausted. It’s from keeping a straight face
By Tony WrightMay 29, 2023 — 6.13pm
Poor Mark McGowan. He’s exhausted. So exhausted, he’s quitting as premier of Western Australia.
His fatigue must be from the immense effort required to prevent himself leaping in the air, grinning madly while clicking his heels and shouting “Can you believe my embarrassment of good luck?”
He’s just 55.
And, in truth, pretty bland, despite gaining popularity ratings reaching a stratospheric 91 per cent – higher than any previous Australian politician.
Why, at the last West Australian state election, just two years ago, his Labor Party won 53 out of 59 of the seats in the Legislative Assembly. The Liberals hold two seats. True story.
You’d run out of energy just thinking about that level of political fortune.
All it took, really (apart from the Liberal Party’s recent enthrallment with self-destruction), was to close the state borders to the entire outside world during COVID, thus persuading West Australians that what they already thought about themselves was true. They were the chosen ones, and it was by no more than a rotten accident of history that their promised land was lumped in with a federated nation of Australia.
Meanwhile, McGowan led a people whose principal job was to count their community cash jar.
It surely went close to bringing him to his knees, gasping with mirth, to wake every morning knowing that a Liberal, Scott Morrison, decided a few years ago it was a jim dandy idea to shower WA with so much GST largesse the state has since suffered the danger of sinking beneath the weight of it.
Morrison’s deal means McGowan’s WA currently receives 70 cents of every dollar of GST raised within the state (and 75 per cent from next year) – which, considering the place is bulging with zillionaires insisting on digging up ever-greater wealth, is worth, at last count, $86 billion this financial year.
You’d bust a boiler trying to do all the delicious figuring, particularly when you know the deal costs Australia about $5 billion this year and leaves every state and territory except WA staring at what economists call a fiscal cliff in the next three years.
Meanwhile, the WA government’s recent budget merrily confirmed the state is indeed awash in filthy lucre, its debt declining for the fourth year in a row, achieving a $4.2 billion final net operating surplus for 2022-23, and more surpluses forecast to the far horizon starting with $3.3 billion for 2023-24.
McGowan and his people have been reduced to working feverishly to distribute some of their Treasury’s embarrassment of riches, tossing a minimum $400 to every household in the state in electricity credits over coming months.
You can see the poor fellow’s predicament.
He’s plum tuckered out from all that counting of blessings.
Exhausted.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/western-australia/mark-mcgowan-is-exhausted-it-s-from-keeping-a-straight-face-20230529-p5dc9p.html
Tony sounds bitter
Witty Rejoinder said:
Divine Angel said:
Gah, I hate opinion pieces. How about Tony Wright holds the position and finds out how energetic he is?
I was surprised to hear McGowan had been in parliament so long. I can understand that 23 years in essentially the same job is a looong time. What I don’t understand is all these pollies saying they want to spend more time with the family when they have teenagers. The first decade of your kids’ life is when you should be all in. Raised properly teenagers will take care of themselves.
I agree that the younger years are important, but I think teenagers need guidance also – it’s just a different type and there needs to be that parental knowledge of when to pull back… it’s a transitional phase between ‘I’ll make decisions for you’ to ‘I’ll be your sounding board for you decisions making process’.
By state political reporter Ashleigh Raper
New South Wales politicians and senior bureaucrats will not be getting a pay rise for at least two years, as legislation to freeze their pay is introduced to parliament.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-29/tasmanian-council-merger-next-steps-taken/102404828
Work to cull number of councils in Tasmania takes another step forward
Forced council amalgamations — these words alone are enough to make the blood of many Tasmanians boil.
Past attempts to merge local governments have been roundly rejected.
As a policy, it was credited with contributing to the Rundle government’s 1998 election loss, and it again proved unpopular in 2019 when almost 70 per cent of Tasman residents voted against merging with their neighbour.
But as the Local Government Board draws up its suggestions for new council boundaries, could forced amalgamations finally become a reality?
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Brisbane City Council covers a population of 1.24 million, about 2.3 times that of Tasmania.
PwC matter referred to federal police
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-30/treasury-referred-pwc-to-police-after-emails-exposed-by-senate/102409208
This seems to be a common talking point among cookers
dv said:
This seems to be a common talking point among cookers
It all sounds a bit silly to me.
Sea Eagle update from Ranger Judy.
“RangerJudy 2h
May 30 : again awake early, Dad out of sight, but duets heard, then mating near nest and away. Both brought a stick, then away from 7am until Dad returned with a small whiting at 8:20. Lady was right behind to claim it. Both were away again until after 9, when Dad brought a stick and Lady a leafy branch. Another mating and off, back at 11:23 with another mating and away. Neither returned until early evening, when Dad brought in a headless fish at 17:14, which Lady grabbed and to the branch to eat. 3 matings today, Lady brought 2 sprays of leaves and 2 sticks, Dad 4 sticks.”
dv said:
This seems to be a common talking point among cookers
re·pub·lic
NOUN
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
Sounds pretty democratic to me.
During Senate Estimates, One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts questioned whether General Campbell was entitled to earn a Distinguished Service Cross (DSC) during his time as commander of Australian forces in the Middle East because he was not on the front line.
“When you were granted the award, it was awarded for ‘in action’ — that’s how the Distinguished Service Cross came about,” Senator Roberts told General Campbell.
“I would put it to you that this is demoralising, and that it would be an honourable thing to do in charge of the Australian Defence Forces to actually surrender your medal.”
McGowan was not in a faction and considered himself a centrist. The new premier, Roger Cook, is in the Labor Left faction.
dv said:
McGowan was not in a faction and considered himself a centrist. The new premier, Roger Cook, is in the Labor Left faction.
I guess the Libs will be happy about that then.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
McGowan was not in a faction and considered himself a centrist. The new premier, Roger Cook, is in the Labor Left faction.
I guess the Libs will be happy about that then.
Yes no doubt they’ll all discuss it over a game of checkers
dv said:
McGowan was not in a faction and considered himself a centrist. The new premier, Roger Cook, is in the Labor Left faction.
I think that ‘Labor Left’ these days just means that you’re aware that trade unions still exist.