It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.
The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
False flag.
SCIENCE said:
False flag.
Very much so.
roughbarked said:
It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
That’s what i was thinking. It’d be an awful lot of effort to go to, just to deliver what seems to have been little more than a flash-bang hand grenade. If it’d been daytime, it probably wouldn’t have shown up on the video.
I could make bigger ka-booms than that with a few bottles and tins of stuff from the laundry and the shed.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:False flag.
Very much so.
ICBM from Lilliput, lilliputian ICBM
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
transition said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:False flag.
Very much so.
ICBM from Lilliput, lilliputian ICBM
Darby O’Gill and the Little People’s Democratic Republic’s Ballistic Deterrent?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
That’s what i was thinking. It’d be an awful lot of effort to go to, just to deliver what seems to have been little more than a flash-bang hand grenade. If it’d been daytime, it probably wouldn’t have shown up on the video.
I could make bigger ka-booms than that with a few bottles and tins of stuff from the laundry and the shed.
Yeah.
I wonder about who did it but the Ukranians would not have wasted such an opportunity on a flash-bang. Unless of course they were thumbing their nose at Putin saying, go on threaten us with nukes again. We are smarter than you. But why would they need to if that was the case? Just use the thing and blow him away, sounds like the smartest move. The world could then move on from Putin’s horrific fantasy.
transition said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:False flag.
Very much so.
ICBM from Lilliput, lilliputian ICBM
Heh. :)
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
Nods.
captain_spalding said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:Very much so.
ICBM from Lilliput, lilliputian ICBM
Darby O’Gill and the Little People’s Democratic Republic’s Ballistic Deterrent?
;)
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
I assume it’s a crappily executed Russian attempt to “unnerve” Ukraine’s allies by claiming that Ukraine is now personally attacking the Kremlin and can no longer be trusted to just try to clear the vermin from Ukrainian soil.
roughbarked said:
It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
Might just be to show Putin that they can reach him and Moscow.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
Might just be to show Putin that they can reach him and Moscow.
Much more likely a false flag fart by Putin itself, to “justify” more attacks on Ukrainian civilians and try to sew discord amongst Ukraine’s allies.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
Might just be to show Putin that they can reach him and Moscow.
It could be just a budget stunt.
When your ‘security’ department’s budget is under threat, you engineer some stunt to show that ‘the danger is real’ and that you department is needed now, more than ever.
Doesn’t have to be much, just something you can use to get the attention of higher-ups.
One of the more credible hypotheses for the Hilton Hotel bomb in the 1970s was that it was a budget stunt. The bomb was never meant to go off, but was meant to be ‘discovered’ by some diligent security operative the next day, ensuring that the relevant organisation was seen to be still relevant.
Of course, they f*** up, didn’t dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s, and when the bomb went into the compactor, well…
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
Light Stauffenberging dosen’t work, you’ll need to go heavy Stauffenberging man.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
Light Stauffenberging dosen’t work, you’ll need to go heavy Stauffenberging man.
Even then, some idiot will move the briefcase at the last minute.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
Light Stauffenberging dosen’t work, you’ll need to go heavy Stauffenberging man.
Even then, some idiot will move the briefcase at the last minute.
What if the briefcase is so heavy that it can’t be lifted.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
Might just be to show Putin that they can reach him and Moscow.
Much more likely a false flag fart by Putin itself, to “justify” more attacks on Ukrainian civilians and try to sew discord amongst Ukraine’s allies.
and to boost his own people to war.
Is there a reference so I can see then comment?
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
It is all BS about that being aimed at assassinating Putin.The explosion was like using a pea shooter at a tank.
Might just be to show Putin that they can reach him and Moscow.
Much more likely a false flag fart by Putin itself, to “justify” more attacks on Ukrainian civilians and try to sew discord amongst Ukraine’s allies.
There have been other crash-landed Ukrainian drones found in the Moscow region. The Ukrainians seem to be testing drones reaching the Moscow area.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:Light Stauffenberging dosen’t work, you’ll need to go heavy Stauffenberging man.
Even then, some idiot will move the briefcase at the last minute.
What if the briefcase is so heavy that it can’t be lifted.
It wasn’t the briefcase. It was the change of location from a bunker to a bungalow with windows.
Michael V said:
Is there a reference so I can see then comment?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/03/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-trying-to-kill-vladimir-putin-with-kremlin-drone-strike
Michael V said:
Is there a reference so I can see then comment?
Hah. You’ll have to see it on the news.
All my searches bring up Russian missile attacks on others.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
Is there a reference so I can see then comment?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/03/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-trying-to-kill-vladimir-putin-with-kremlin-drone-strike
Ta.
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
I’d go one step further and say that Putin is a legitimate target for Ukraine, in the same way that I’m sure if Russia had a shot at Zelenskyy they’d take it.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
Is there a reference so I can see then comment?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/03/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-trying-to-kill-vladimir-putin-with-kremlin-drone-strike
Thanks.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
I’d go one step further and say that Putin is a legitimate target for Ukraine, in the same way that I’m sure if Russia had a shot at Zelenskyy they’d take it.
I’m back for a bit.
They did take a shot at him.
As soon as they launched their attack on Ukraine, the Russians had a special forces team in the air and on the way to Kyiv to carry out a ‘decapitation’ programme. To kidnap or kill Zelenskyy, his ministers (those who weren’t Russian moles) and senior department heads.
Unfortunately for them , they got shot down over Kyiv, and all died. It was in the news reports, you can track back and find it.
Practice flight?
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
I’d go one step further and say that Putin is a legitimate target for Ukraine, in the same way that I’m sure if Russia had a shot at Zelenskyy they’d take it.
The Russians were sending in death squads in search of Zelenskyy from Day 1, but they were all captured or puréed.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin? This whole invasion seems to be a vanity project. A bit of light Stauffenberging could save hundreds of thousands of lives of Russians let alone anyone else.
I’d go one step further and say that Putin is a legitimate target for Ukraine, in the same way that I’m sure if Russia had a shot at Zelenskyy they’d take it.
The Russians were sending in death squads in search of Zelenskyy from Day 1, but they were all captured or puréed.
I had been worried that they would succeed in killing him. I am glad that they didn’t (so far).
esselte said:
Practice flight?
You may have nailed it.
> I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin?
Hell yes.
mollwollfumble said:
> I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin?Hell yes.
I think that might just be you…
dv said:
mollwollfumble said:
> I mean … are we supposed to be opposed to assassination attempts against Putin?Hell yes.
I think that might just be you…
One of these days, someone with more knowledge than I have, needs to make a map showing countries in which the USA has carried out assassinations or attempted assassinations.
I mean: Cuba, Libya, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia etc. Did i hear about one in Sweden, or Egypt? Mexico, China, Japan. And the USA of course.
The list of countries in which the USA has not carried out an attempted assassination might be shorter.
mollwollfumble said:
One of these days, someone with more knowledge than I have, needs to make a map showing countries in which the USA has carried out assassinations or attempted assassinations.I mean: Cuba, Libya, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia etc. Did i hear about one in Sweden, or Egypt? Mexico, China, Japan. And the USA of course.
The list of countries in which the USA has not carried out an attempted assassination might be shorter.
They have done a bit of Stauffenberging over the years.
Peak Warming Man said:
mollwollfumble said:
One of these days, someone with more knowledge than I have, needs to make a map showing countries in which the USA has carried out assassinations or attempted assassinations.I mean: Cuba, Libya, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia etc. Did i hear about one in Sweden, or Egypt? Mexico, China, Japan. And the USA of course.
The list of countries in which the USA has not carried out an attempted assassination might be shorter.
They have done a bit of Stauffenberging over the years.
I’d rather take my chances with the briefcase rather than the polonium…
mollwollfumble said:
One of these days, someone with more knowledge than I have, needs to make a map showing countries in which the USA has carried out assassinations or attempted assassinations.I mean: Cuba, Libya, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia etc. Did i hear about one in Sweden, or Egypt? Mexico, China, Japan. And the USA of course.
The list of countries in which the USA has not carried out an attempted assassination might be shorter.
This is not one of those supposed examples.
mollwollfumble said:
One of these days, someone with more knowledge than I have, needs to make a map showing countries in which the USA has carried out assassinations or attempted assassinations.I mean: Cuba, Libya, Nicaragua, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, North Vietnam, Cambodia, Somalia etc. Did i hear about one in Sweden, or Egypt? Mexico, China, Japan. And the USA of course.
The list of countries in which the USA has not carried out an attempted assassination might be shorter.
Attempted covert assassinations, while not nice per se, are at least an improvement on arrest -> show trial -> execution or imprisonment – that the European colonial powers used to do. Or the mass shootings of unarmed civilians protesting against imperial rule.
You’re talking to a brickwall moll
Be like me – don’t bother
You’ll find the real news , out there.
The russians are busy blowing up ammo dumps
The RuAF has become busier of late dropping massive glide bombs. There’s heaps of footage of lancet drones knocking western tanks, self propelled artillery and s300 systems.
The winter offensive of russia never took hold, the ground never froze solid ( though there was heavy snow 3 weeks ago).
The ukos lose about 1000 men a day.
wookiemeister said:
You’re talking to a brickwall mollBe like me – don’t bother
You’ll find the real news , out there.
The russians are busy blowing up ammo dumps
The RuAF has become busier of late dropping massive glide bombs. There’s heaps of footage of lancet drones knocking western tanks, self propelled artillery and s300 systems.
The winter offensive of russia never took hold, the ground never froze solid ( though there was heavy snow 3 weeks ago).
The ukos lose about 1000 men a day.
You need to have a chat with Sidney Freedman soldier.
captain_spalding said:
There’s another news report that one of the drones is claimed to have been packed with 17kg of C4 plastic explosive. there’s a photo of a M-112 charge block with it.C4 is definitely high explosive, and 17 kg of the stuff is more than enough to do the job.
If the attack was genuine, and it really had been carrying the C4, and it had got through, it could have done some real damage.
The best video example i can quickly find is this one, with 15lb/7kg of C4
https://www.military.com/video/ammunition-and-explosives/explosives/15lbs-of-c4-on-a-bus/763995614001
So, double that, and bit more.
But, that explosion over the Kremlin was nothing like you’d see from 17kg of C4. So, why pack one drone with all the big stuff, and arm the other one with a firecracker? Unless you were someone wh wanted the firecracker to ‘get through’, and the big boy to just lay there and get photographed.
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
You’re talking to a brickwall mollBe like me – don’t bother
You’ll find the real news , out there.
The russians are busy blowing up ammo dumps
The RuAF has become busier of late dropping massive glide bombs. There’s heaps of footage of lancet drones knocking western tanks, self propelled artillery and s300 systems.
The winter offensive of russia never took hold, the ground never froze solid ( though there was heavy snow 3 weeks ago).
The ukos lose about 1000 men a day.
You need to have a chat with Sidney Freedman soldier.
check out the footage of KORNET striking the S300 / self propelled artillery/ tanks there’s lots of it. normally you’ll get footage of the KORNET seeking its target and it cuts out just before it hits, theres nomally another drone above that films the strike.
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
You’re talking to a brickwall mollBe like me – don’t bother
You’ll find the real news , out there.
The russians are busy blowing up ammo dumps
The RuAF has become busier of late dropping massive glide bombs. There’s heaps of footage of lancet drones knocking western tanks, self propelled artillery and s300 systems.
The winter offensive of russia never took hold, the ground never froze solid ( though there was heavy snow 3 weeks ago).
The ukos lose about 1000 men a day.
You need to have a chat with Sidney Freedman soldier.
https://youtu.be/Nh5m0uEkItwcheck out the footage of KORNET striking the S300 / self propelled artillery/ tanks there’s lots of it. normally you’ll get footage of the KORNET seeking its target and it cuts out just before it hits, theres nomally another drone above that films the strike.
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:You need to have a chat with Sidney Freedman soldier.
https://youtu.be/Nh5m0uEkItwcheck out the footage of KORNET striking the S300 / self propelled artillery/ tanks there’s lots of it. normally you’ll get footage of the KORNET seeking its target and it cuts out just before it hits, theres nomally another drone above that films the strike.
scratch that – LANCET, not KORNET kornet is the ant tank weapon.
Ants have tanks now? Picnics have gone to the next level…
furious said:
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:https://youtu.be/Nh5m0uEkItw
check out the footage of KORNET striking the S300 / self propelled artillery/ tanks there’s lots of it. normally you’ll get footage of the KORNET seeking its target and it cuts out just before it hits, theres nomally another drone above that films the strike.
scratch that – LANCET, not KORNET kornet is the ant tank weapon.Ants have tanks now? Picnics have gone to the next level…
wookiemeister said:
furious said:
wookiemeister said:scratch that – LANCET, not KORNET kornet is the ant tank weapon.
Ants have tanks now? Picnics have gone to the next level…
tell me about it
We are still waiting for you to tell us about it, ie: where are your statisistics?