Date: 1/06/2023 09:49:02
From: dv
ID: 2038364
Subject: Australian politics - June 2023

https://youtu.be/Tz3ODZMZt0w

Alan Kohler refutes the idea that there has been a jump in inflation in the last month, pointing out that the headlines are entirely due to a rapid change 12 months ago causing a blip in the current year-on-year figures. By his mark, current inflation is 3.6% p.a.

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Date: 1/06/2023 09:57:05
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2038371
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:

https://youtu.be/Tz3ODZMZt0w

Alan Kohler refutes the idea that there has been a jump in inflation in the last month, pointing out that the headlines are entirely due to a rapid change 12 months ago causing a blip in the current year-on-year figures. By his mark, current inflation is 3.6% p.a.

Alan is as accurate with his fiscal predictions as Timmy is with his climate predictions.

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Date: 1/06/2023 10:02:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2038375
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

https://youtu.be/Tz3ODZMZt0w

Alan Kohler refutes the idea that there has been a jump in inflation in the last month, pointing out that the headlines are entirely due to a rapid change 12 months ago causing a blip in the current year-on-year figures. By his mark, current inflation is 3.6% p.a.

Alan is as accurate with his fiscal predictions as Timmy is with his climate predictions.

‘Fiscal’ pertains to a government budget. ‘Economic’ prediction is what you meant which is wrong anyway since he’s not predicting anything rather he is making a critique of media reporting.

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Date: 1/06/2023 10:04:48
From: dv
ID: 2038376
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The federal government is not ruling out a decision to refer former cabinet minister Stuart Robert to the new anti-corruption watchdog when it starts operating within months, after federal officials confirmed they had no power to investigate his links to companies bidding for lucrative Commonwealth contracts.

Special Minister of State Don Farrell said the government was “deeply concerned” by the reports about the former minister when asked in a Senate estimates hearing about the next steps in examining the contracts.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/minister-does-not-rule-out-referring-stuart-robert-to-watchdog-20230531-p5dcrm.html

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Date: 1/06/2023 10:11:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2038379
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

https://youtu.be/Tz3ODZMZt0w

Alan Kohler refutes the idea that there has been a jump in inflation in the last month, pointing out that the headlines are entirely due to a rapid change 12 months ago causing a blip in the current year-on-year figures. By his mark, current inflation is 3.6% p.a.

Alan is as accurate with his fiscal predictions as Timmy is with his climate predictions.

‘Fiscal’ pertains to a government budget. ‘Economic’ prediction is what you meant which is wrong anyway since he’s not predicting anything rather he is making a critique of media reporting.

As long as you got the gist, the vibe, the Mabo.

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Date: 1/06/2023 10:12:48
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2038380
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

https://youtu.be/Tz3ODZMZt0w

Alan Kohler refutes the idea that there has been a jump in inflation in the last month, pointing out that the headlines are entirely due to a rapid change 12 months ago causing a blip in the current year-on-year figures. By his mark, current inflation is 3.6% p.a.

Alan is as accurate with his fiscal predictions as Timmy is with his climate predictions.

Reporting other peoples numbers for the last month and year is not “prediction”.

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Date: 1/06/2023 17:05:39
From: dv
ID: 2038611
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Thoughts and Prayers to The Shovel

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Date: 2/06/2023 15:53:52
From: dv
ID: 2039152
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

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Date: 2/06/2023 15:58:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2039153
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

So it was all just a media spat.

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Date: 2/06/2023 16:11:03
From: dv
ID: 2039163
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

So it was all just a media spat.

That’s certainly one way to look at it.

Dutton’s take is kind of … odd. He says that there has been a major cultural shift in the SAS since Ben’s time.

I’d like to think that BRS’s actions were anomalous within the SAS even at the time. We’re not talking about someone who went a bit gung-ho during a firefight, or someone who accidentally killed some civilians in the heat of the moment. We’re talking about straight murders that did not take place during combat. One would hope that when he kicked a handcuffed man off a cliff, at least some of his colleagues thought it was over the line.

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Date: 2/06/2023 16:14:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2039165
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

He was probably barely aware of it himself.

Kerry Stokes has a ‘thing’ for the SAS, and would have been only too pleased to offer B. R-S. a comfy job under the wing of Ch 7. I doubt that Ben’s duties were too onerous or demanding.

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Date: 2/06/2023 16:14:29
From: Cymek
ID: 2039166
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

So it was all just a media spat.

That’s certainly one way to look at it.

Dutton’s take is kind of … odd. He says that there has been a major cultural shift in the SAS since Ben’s time.

I’d like to think that BRS’s actions were anomalous within the SAS even at the time. We’re not talking about someone who went a bit gung-ho during a firefight, or someone who accidentally killed some civilians in the heat of the moment. We’re talking about straight murders that did not take place during combat. One would hope that when he kicked a handcuffed man off a cliff, at least some of his colleagues thought it was over the line.

Likely scared of hime

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Date: 2/06/2023 16:58:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 2039183
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

He was probably barely aware of it himself.

Kerry Stokes has a ‘thing’ for the SAS, and would have been only too pleased to offer B. R-S. a comfy job under the wing of Ch 7. I doubt that Ben’s duties were too onerous or demanding.

Kerry bankrolled the court case that fauked.

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Date: 2/06/2023 17:23:35
From: party_pants
ID: 2039198
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

He was probably barely aware of it himself.

Kerry Stokes has a ‘thing’ for the SAS, and would have been only too pleased to offer B. R-S. a comfy job under the wing of Ch 7. I doubt that Ben’s duties were too onerous or demanding.

where ‘thing’ = erection?

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Date: 2/06/2023 17:27:11
From: dv
ID: 2039199
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Sunday night will see another battle between Nine and Seven, as 60 Minutes’ Ben Roberts-Smith exposé takes on Spotlight’s exclusive interview with Bruce Lehrmann.

The duelling current affairs shows will face off days after Seven and Nine backed different horses in the Roberts-Smith defamation trial, with Seven boss Kerry Stokes’s pick losing badly when a judge found, on the balance of probabilities, that the newspapers being sued had proven in their defence that the former SAS soldier, who Stokes said was innocent, had committed war crimes.

The ruling was a vindication of the work by investigative journalists Nick McKenzie, 41, and Chris Masters, 76.

At Seven West Media’s annual general meeting last year, Stokes said: “Ben Roberts-Smith is innocent and deserves legal representation and that scumbag journalists should be held to account. And quote me on that.”

The billionaire media mogul’s decision to fund his Seven Queensland executive’s legal fees has backfired and the pressure will now be on Seven West to defend employing a man who has been found by a federal court judge to have murdered unarmed civilians.

As Age investigative reporter McKenzie told ABC 7.30 after the verdict: “This is a media proprietor who should believe in journalism, yet he was waging a huge war against investigative journalism.”
Seven has another figure to showcase when former 60 Minutes reporter Liam Bartlett sits down with the man who was accused of the rape of Brittany Higgins at Parliament House. Lehrmann has always denied the allegation.

—-

https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2023/jun/02/kerry-stokes-ben-roberts-smith-seven-spotlight-program-bruce-lehrmann-weekly-beast?CMP=soc_567

Note that Bruce Lehrmann has another rape case that is ongoing in Queensland.

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Date: 2/06/2023 17:45:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2039209
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

I’m going to be honest. I was not aware that Ben Roberts-Smith was General Manager of Channel Seven Queensland, and now he’s resigned from that role.

He was probably barely aware of it himself.

Kerry Stokes has a ‘thing’ for the SAS, and would have been only too pleased to offer B. R-S. a comfy job under the wing of Ch 7. I doubt that Ben’s duties were too onerous or demanding.

where ‘thing’ = erection?

Along those lines, at least.

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Date: 2/06/2023 19:15:46
From: dv
ID: 2039256
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

SMH isn’t fucking around with its headlines

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Date: 2/06/2023 19:19:23
From: party_pants
ID: 2039257
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

It seems like a victory for proper journalism in Australia.

Sorry I have missed any earlier discussion.

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Date: 2/06/2023 19:32:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2039259
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


SMH isn’t fucking around with its headlines

Why isn’t he facing trial for murder?

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Date: 2/06/2023 19:39:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2039262
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

ah. so Scott Morrison’s book is being published by Harper Collins and Rupert owns that.

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Date: 2/06/2023 19:48:43
From: dv
ID: 2039266
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


ah. so Scott Morrison’s book is being published by Harper Collins and Rupert owns that.

How many copies would you like?

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Date: 2/06/2023 19:54:53
From: dv
ID: 2039268
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

SMH isn’t fucking around with its headlines

Why isn’t he facing trial for murder?

I don’t actually know the answer to that, since the 9 media legal team already did the prosecutors the favour of getting all the witnesses’ sworn testimony. Maybe they don’t like the chances of a criminal conviction.

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Date: 2/06/2023 20:01:58
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2039273
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

ah. so Scott Morrison’s book is being published by Harper Collins and Rupert owns that.

How many copies would you like?

Will there be a breaking story suitable for US breakfast market?

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Date: 2/06/2023 20:04:37
From: party_pants
ID: 2039276
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

ah. so Scott Morrison’s book is being published by Harper Collins and Rupert owns that.

How many copies would you like?

None for me thanks, I don’t have a fireplace at this house.

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Date: 3/06/2023 12:13:25
From: dv
ID: 2039430
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The rich and influential cheer squad who backed a war criminal
In early November 2017, one of the most influential men in Australia’s military was passed a sensitive document by a billionaire media mogul. It was the start of a campaign.

By Nick McKenzie

JUNE 3, 2023

In early November 2017, one of the most influential men in Australia’s military was passed a sensitive document by a billionaire at the top of the nation’s media industry.

The file provided to Chief of Army Angus Campbell by media mogul Kerry Stokes concerned the country’s most famous soldier: Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith.

exposing his involvement in alleged war crimes. More recently, at Seven’s 2022 annual general meeting, Stokes attacked “scumbag journalists” for reporting on Roberts-Smith.

By the time he made those comments, Masters and I were five years into an investigation that had unearthed prisoner execution allegations, sparked police probes and prompted Roberts-Smith to launch what became known as the defamation trial of the century. On Thursday, he comprehensively lost the trial with the federal court finding our reporting had truthfully revealed Roberts-Smith as a murderer and war criminal.

But back in late 2017, when my email to Roberts-Smith was slipped to Campbell, Masters and I were still gathering information and seeking to engage with Roberts-Smith to test its accuracy. That was the point of the email.

The war hero never took up my offer of an interview, but my email created a dilemma for Campbell.

The general sat on the board of the Stokes-chaired Australian War Memorial, an institution dedicated to Australia’s military history. The memorial had championed a carefully curated story about Roberts-Smith under the guidance of its chief executive Brendan Nelson, a former defence minister.

Nelson railed publicly against this masthead’s reporting on the ex-soldier, damning it as an attempt to “tear down our heroes”.

In contrast to Nelson and Stokes, Campbell wasn’t so sure that Roberts-Smith was above scrutiny or beyond reproach. Rather, Campbell was one of very few military officials who suspected the Roberts-Smith story might be much murkier than that propagated by the war memorial.

Campbell had already been briefed on the direction of the secretive Brereton Inquiry and knew that Roberts-Smith was emerging as its highest priority target because of allegations he had murdered handcuffed Afghan prisoners and civilians.

This was why, after receiving the file from the media magnate, the general proceeded with caution. Campbell sealed the document in an envelope. He then dispatched it to the Brereton Inquiry.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fnational%2Fthe-rich-and-influential-cheer-squad-who-backed-a-war-criminal-20230502-p5d4ww.html%3Fbtis%3D

https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-rich-and-influential-cheer-squad-who-backed-a-war-criminal-20230502-p5d4ww.html?btis=

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Date: 4/06/2023 12:39:27
From: dv
ID: 2039745
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

He’s used to multitasking

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Date: 4/06/2023 12:44:36
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2039747
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


He’s used to multitasking

secretary pompei eh?

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Date: 4/06/2023 12:50:15
From: Tamb
ID: 2039749
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

JudgeMental said:


dv said:

He’s used to multitasking

secretary pompei eh?


Yes. He’s volcanic.

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Date: 4/06/2023 13:04:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2039762
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


He’s used to multitasking

A snippet from TATE on what the Hudson Institute gets up to:

“The Hudson Institute has been criticised for endorsing an agenda of denial of climate change and accepting $7.9m from anonymous donors.

It has received funding from Exxon Mobil and Koch family Foundations both of which actively pursue policies of minimising the effect of climate change.”

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Date: 4/06/2023 13:30:37
From: dv
ID: 2039770
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

So how are things going at Cope Social, ie The Australian?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/hungary-and-florida-offer-tips-for-conservative-revival/news-story/1fc62d3966b42728d4ca91f903b5e6e4

Yeah.

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Date: 4/06/2023 13:41:19
From: party_pants
ID: 2039771
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


So how are things going at Cope Social, ie The Australian?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/hungary-and-florida-offer-tips-for-conservative-revival/news-story/1fc62d3966b42728d4ca91f903b5e6e4

Yeah.

If they are talking about “revival” does this mean they concede that the movement is dying or already dead? Perhaps we should view the leading advocates as zombies?

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Date: 4/06/2023 18:16:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2039840
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

“ It’s been a rough week for the state’s leader, which began with the threat of a censure motion and closed with the government’s embarrassing loss of a vote on the floor of parliament, thus the loss of the government’s control on the floor of the House of Assembly.Thursday night’s action has shown the government simply cannot rely on the tactic of arrogant obfuscation in dodging legitimate and often quite important questions now it governs in minority.Similarly, the government cannot be seen as weak, yielding to each and every demand from Labor, the Greens, and more importantly, two particularly unpredictable independents. …”

OPINION: Tasmanian Government will be forced into transparency, whether it likes it or not

Matt Maloney
June 3, 2023

To say that the release of documents pertaining to the proposed new Hobart waterfront stadium by order of parliament this week was anticlimatic would be an understatement.

Much of what was tabled by Premier Jeremy Rockliff on Thursday was already publicly available and key advice from Treasury and other departments regarding the project was nowhere to be seen.

A week prior, the Premier had been called upon by the House of Assembly to produce any reports, assessments and departmental advice on the proposed stadium after a motion was moved by independent Lara Alexander and unanimously supported in the chamber.

What started as something anticlimatic on Thursday then turned into something a little more interesting.Labor moved to adjourn debate on the budget in the afternoon, arguing the government had held parliament in contempt by ignoring the will of the house and not fulfilling the parliamentary order.

Notably absent from his seat, there were calls for the Premier to stand up and provide an explanation as to why certain information appeared to be missing from the tabled documents.

In a rare occurance, Labor’s adjournment motion was supported 12 to 10 and the Premier was dragged back to the chamber to explain why departmental advice had not been tabled.Without much filler and after a 30-minute break, Mr Rockliff succinctly explained that he had tabled all documents provided to him by relevant departments and he was unable to provide briefings given by department representatives that were cabinet-in-confidence.He said members of the House of Assembly would be provided confidential or in camera briefings on the stadium and contract with the AFL sometime in the future.Mr Rockliff’s reasoning for not tabling departmental advice was uncontroversial and understandable.

The explanation to the chamber late of Thursday was not the first time Mr Rockliff had to back down on a position he had decided to initially take this week.Actually, it wasn’t even the first time that day.

Mr Rockliff defended the Health Department’s decision to recall $1000 COVID-19 bonus payments accidentally distributed to ineligible ambulance communications, yet hours later posted a statement on social media that he would direct the department to reverse its decision.
“No health workers will have to pay back their Frontline COVID bonus,” he wrote in a post.“I know some were paid it who weren’t eligible, and have been asked to pay it back.“And I’m saying now, it’s not happening. It’s our mistake and we’ll own it.”

It’s been a rough week for the state’s leader, which began with the threat of a censure motion and closed with the government’s embarrassing loss of a vote on the floor of parliament, thus the loss of the government’s control on the floor of the House of Assembly.

Thursday night’s action has shown the government simply cannot rely on the tactic of arrogant obfuscation in dodging legitimate and often quite important questions now it governs in minority.

Similarly, the government cannot be seen as weak, yielding to each and every demand from Labor, the Greens, and more importantly, two particularly unpredictable independents.

https://www.examiner.com.au/…/loss-of-control-a…/…

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Date: 4/06/2023 22:05:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2039871
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

With Peter Dutton firmly supporting the No vote on the Voice. I wonder what the feelings of his electorate on the Voice vote are?

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Date: 4/06/2023 23:46:20
From: Kingy
ID: 2039872
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


With Peter Dutton firmly supporting the No vote on the Voice. I wonder what the feelings of his electorate on the Voice vote are?

He probably doesn’t even know which electorate he’s in, let alone what those peasants think.

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Date: 5/06/2023 00:37:33
From: dv
ID: 2039881
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

ROFL

https://www.smh.com.au/property/news/first-home-buyer-beats-26-bidders-to-one-bedroom-unit-with-847-000-bid-20230525-p5db5z.html

First home buyer beats 26 others to one-bedroom unit with $847,000 bid

A whopping 27 buyers registered to bid on a one-bedroom Newtown unit that sold for $847,000 at auction on Saturday.

A first home buyer made the winning bid for renovated apartment at 13/39 Laura Street, which had been guided at $650,000 throughout the campaign.

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Date: 5/06/2023 06:54:02
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2039888
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Kingy said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

With Peter Dutton firmly supporting the No vote on the Voice. I wonder what the feelings of his electorate on the Voice vote are?

He probably doesn’t even know which electorate he’s in, let alone what those peasants think.

I’m in the neighbouring electorate. Had no idea what my LNP candidate was voting until I just checked his Facebook. Of course he’s no 🙄 This electorate has a high Indigenous population… I’m betting they won’t be happy.

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:17:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2039897
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


ROFL

https://www.smh.com.au/property/news/first-home-buyer-beats-26-bidders-to-one-bedroom-unit-with-847-000-bid-20230525-p5db5z.html

First home buyer beats 26 others to one-bedroom unit with $847,000 bid

A whopping 27 buyers registered to bid on a one-bedroom Newtown unit that sold for $847,000 at auction on Saturday.

A first home buyer made the winning bid for renovated apartment at 13/39 Laura Street, which had been guided at $650,000 throughout the campaign.

Not sure it’s all that funny, but anyway.

I wonder how much of the current surge in prices is due to reduction in house building during covid lockdowns.

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:20:06
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2039898
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The ABC tells me that Australia has signed a $105 million decarbonisation deal with Vietnam.

How much decarbonisation do you get for $105 million these days?

I mean even the text prompt thought I was going to say $105 billion.

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:20:59
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2039899
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wonder how much of the current surge in prices is due to reduction in house building during covid lockdowns.

Not just lockdowns, but ongoing supply shortages too. Plus at least two construction companies have gone under in the past few months as well.

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:24:26
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2039901
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


The ABC tells me that Australia has signed a $105 million decarbonisation deal with Vietnam.

How much decarbonisation do you get for $105 million these days?

I mean even the text prompt thought I was going to say $105 billion.

Hey we’d better sign something, some sort of non binding hand waving deal, yeah lets make it something to do with climate change that’ll fill the bill.

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:25:08
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2039902
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I wonder how much of the current surge in prices is due to reduction in house building during covid lockdowns.

Not just lockdowns, but ongoing supply shortages too. Plus at least two construction companies have gone under in the past few months as well.

Yeah, that’s the other thing. Construction companies going belly up all over the place.

Where is all the money going?

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:39:29
From: party_pants
ID: 2039905
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


Divine Angel said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wonder how much of the current surge in prices is due to reduction in house building during covid lockdowns.

Not just lockdowns, but ongoing supply shortages too. Plus at least two construction companies have gone under in the past few months as well.

Yeah, that’s the other thing. Construction companies going belly up all over the place.

Where is all the money going?

bank shareholders.

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:48:19
From: Woodie
ID: 2039908
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

The ABC tells me that Australia has signed a $105 million decarbonisation deal with Vietnam.

How much decarbonisation do you get for $105 million these days?

I mean even the text prompt thought I was going to say $105 billion.

Hey we’d better sign something, some sort of non binding hand waving deal, yeah lets make it something to do with climate change that’ll fill the bill.

Climate Change is all the rage at the mo, Mr Man. Seems to be getting a lot of attention lately. Hotly debated.

It used to be called Global Warming. Some still call it that. Nay sayers claim the initial feasibility study was flawed and there has not been enough community consultation on the matter. They also demand a report be prepared for the coroner.

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:49:19
From: buffy
ID: 2039910
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The ABC tells me that Australia has signed a $105 million decarbonisation deal with Vietnam.

How much decarbonisation do you get for $105 million these days?

I mean even the text prompt thought I was going to say $105 billion.

Hey we’d better sign something, some sort of non binding hand waving deal, yeah lets make it something to do with climate change that’ll fill the bill.

Climate Change is all the rage at the mo, Mr Man. Seems to be getting a lot of attention lately. Hotly debated.

It used to be called Global Warming. Some still call it that. Nay sayers claim the initial feasibility study was flawed and there has not been enough community consultation on the matter. They also demand a report be prepared for the coroner.

That coroner is a busy person…

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Date: 5/06/2023 09:50:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2039911
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Hey we’d better sign something, some sort of non binding hand waving deal, yeah lets make it something to do with climate change that’ll fill the bill.

Climate Change is all the rage at the mo, Mr Man. Seems to be getting a lot of attention lately. Hotly debated.

It used to be called Global Warming. Some still call it that. Nay sayers claim the initial feasibility study was flawed and there has not been enough community consultation on the matter. They also demand a report be prepared for the coroner.

That coroner is a busy person…

Apparently about to get busier.

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Date: 5/06/2023 10:08:52
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2039912
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

I asked ChatGPT to write a letter to a federal MP to reconsider his No stance to the Voice.

Subject: Urgent Need for Inclusive Constitutional Recognition of Indigenous Australians

Dear ,

I hope this letter finds you in good health and high spirits. My name is , and I am writing to you as a concerned citizen and voter in . While I appreciate your dedication to public service, I am compelled to express my deep disappointment regarding your divisive stance on including Indigenous Australians in the Australian Constitution.

Australia, as a nation, has made remarkable progress over the years in recognizing and reconciling with the injustices committed against its Indigenous peoples. However, it is disheartening to witness leaders like yourself promoting racist and exclusionary ideas that undermine the spirit of unity and reconciliation that we have worked so hard to foster.

Indigenous Australians, the First Nations people of this land, have endured centuries of marginalization, discrimination, and systemic injustices. The Constitution, as the foundational document of our nation, should reflect our commitment to equality, inclusivity, and respect for all Australians. Including Indigenous Australians in the Constitution is not a matter of granting special privileges; it is an imperative step towards healing the wounds of the past and ensuring a fair and just future for all.

The overwhelming majority of Australians, including prominent Indigenous leaders, legal experts, and human rights organizations, support the inclusion of a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament. This proposal seeks to provide a formal mechanism for Indigenous Australians to have a say in matters that directly affect their lives, without diminishing the sovereignty of the Australian Parliament. By supporting this initiative, you have an opportunity to demonstrate your commitment to justice, equality, and reconciliation.

Racism and division have no place in our society, especially within our elected representatives. Your role as a Member of Parliament is to represent the diverse interests and aspirations of all Australians, regardless of their background. By perpetuating divisive narratives, you risk alienating and further marginalizing a significant portion of our population, damaging the social fabric of our nation, and impeding our progress towards a more harmonious and equitable society.

I implore you to reconsider your position and actively engage in a constructive dialogue on the importance of constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians. By championing this cause, you have an opportunity to leave a lasting legacy of unity, respect, and justice. It is my sincere hope that you will rise to the occasion and contribute positively to the ongoing journey of reconciliation.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I eagerly await your response and hope that it will reflect a genuine commitment to fostering an inclusive and equitable Australia for all its citizens.

Yours sincerely,

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Date: 5/06/2023 10:14:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2039913
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


I asked ChatGPT to write a letter to a federal MP to reconsider his No stance to the Voice.

Subject: Urgent Need for Inclusive Constitutional Recognition of Indigenous Australians

Dear ,

I hope this letter finds you in good health and high spirits. My name is , and I am writing to you as a concerned citizen and voter in . While I appreciate your dedication to public service, I am compelled to express my deep disappointment regarding your divisive stance on including Indigenous Australians in the Australian Constitution.

Australia, as a nation, has made remarkable progress over the years in recognizing and reconciling with the injustices committed against its Indigenous peoples. However, it is disheartening to witness leaders like yourself promoting racist and exclusionary ideas that undermine the spirit of unity and reconciliation that we have worked so hard to foster.

Indigenous Australians, the First Nations people of this land, have endured centuries of marginalization, discrimination, and systemic injustices. The Constitution, as the foundational document of our nation, should reflect our commitment to equality, inclusivity, and respect for all Australians. Including Indigenous Australians in the Constitution is not a matter of granting special privileges; it is an imperative step towards healing the wounds of the past and ensuring a fair and just future for all.

The overwhelming majority of Australians, including prominent Indigenous leaders, legal experts, and human rights organizations, support the inclusion of a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament. This proposal seeks to provide a formal mechanism for Indigenous Australians to have a say in matters that directly affect their lives, without diminishing the sovereignty of the Australian Parliament. By supporting this initiative, you have an opportunity to demonstrate your commitment to justice, equality, and reconciliation.

Racism and division have no place in our society, especially within our elected representatives. Your role as a Member of Parliament is to represent the diverse interests and aspirations of all Australians, regardless of their background. By perpetuating divisive narratives, you risk alienating and further marginalizing a significant portion of our population, damaging the social fabric of our nation, and impeding our progress towards a more harmonious and equitable society.

I implore you to reconsider your position and actively engage in a constructive dialogue on the importance of constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians. By championing this cause, you have an opportunity to leave a lasting legacy of unity, respect, and justice. It is my sincere hope that you will rise to the occasion and contribute positively to the ongoing journey of reconciliation.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I eagerly await your response and hope that it will reflect a genuine commitment to fostering an inclusive and equitable Australia for all its citizens.

Yours sincerely,

Good. Now send it.

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Date: 5/06/2023 10:18:42
From: party_pants
ID: 2039914
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


I asked ChatGPT to write a letter to a federal MP to reconsider his No stance to the Voice.

Subject: Urgent Need for Inclusive Constitutional Recognition of Indigenous Australians

Dear ,

I hope this letter finds you in good health and high spirits. My name is , and I am writing to you as a concerned citizen and voter in . While I appreciate your dedication to public service, I am compelled to express my deep disappointment regarding your divisive stance on including Indigenous Australians in the Australian Constitution.

Australia, as a nation, has made remarkable progress over the years in recognizing and reconciling with the injustices committed against its Indigenous peoples. However, it is disheartening to witness leaders like yourself promoting racist and exclusionary ideas that undermine the spirit of unity and reconciliation that we have worked so hard to foster.

Indigenous Australians, the First Nations people of this land, have endured centuries of marginalization, discrimination, and systemic injustices. The Constitution, as the foundational document of our nation, should reflect our commitment to equality, inclusivity, and respect for all Australians. Including Indigenous Australians in the Constitution is not a matter of granting special privileges; it is an imperative step towards healing the wounds of the past and ensuring a fair and just future for all.

The overwhelming majority of Australians, including prominent Indigenous leaders, legal experts, and human rights organizations, support the inclusion of a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament. This proposal seeks to provide a formal mechanism for Indigenous Australians to have a say in matters that directly affect their lives, without diminishing the sovereignty of the Australian Parliament. By supporting this initiative, you have an opportunity to demonstrate your commitment to justice, equality, and reconciliation.

Racism and division have no place in our society, especially within our elected representatives. Your role as a Member of Parliament is to represent the diverse interests and aspirations of all Australians, regardless of their background. By perpetuating divisive narratives, you risk alienating and further marginalizing a significant portion of our population, damaging the social fabric of our nation, and impeding our progress towards a more harmonious and equitable society.

I implore you to reconsider your position and actively engage in a constructive dialogue on the importance of constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians. By championing this cause, you have an opportunity to leave a lasting legacy of unity, respect, and justice. It is my sincere hope that you will rise to the occasion and contribute positively to the ongoing journey of reconciliation.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I eagerly await your response and hope that it will reflect a genuine commitment to fostering an inclusive and equitable Australia for all its citizens.

Yours sincerely,

Too long Johnny.

… Johnny. that’s way too long.

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Date: 5/06/2023 10:32:48
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2039918
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


Divine Angel said:

I asked ChatGPT to write a letter to a federal MP to reconsider his No stance to the Voice.

Subject: Urgent Need for Inclusive Constitutional Recognition of Indigenous Australians

Dear ,

I hope this letter finds you in good health and high spirits. My name is , and I am writing to you as a concerned citizen and voter in . While I appreciate your dedication to public service, I am compelled to express my deep disappointment regarding your divisive stance on including Indigenous Australians in the Australian Constitution.

Australia, as a nation, has made remarkable progress over the years in recognizing and reconciling with the injustices committed against its Indigenous peoples. However, it is disheartening to witness leaders like yourself promoting racist and exclusionary ideas that undermine the spirit of unity and reconciliation that we have worked so hard to foster.

Indigenous Australians, the First Nations people of this land, have endured centuries of marginalization, discrimination, and systemic injustices. The Constitution, as the foundational document of our nation, should reflect our commitment to equality, inclusivity, and respect for all Australians. Including Indigenous Australians in the Constitution is not a matter of granting special privileges; it is an imperative step towards healing the wounds of the past and ensuring a fair and just future for all.

The overwhelming majority of Australians, including prominent Indigenous leaders, legal experts, and human rights organizations, support the inclusion of a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament. This proposal seeks to provide a formal mechanism for Indigenous Australians to have a say in matters that directly affect their lives, without diminishing the sovereignty of the Australian Parliament. By supporting this initiative, you have an opportunity to demonstrate your commitment to justice, equality, and reconciliation.

Racism and division have no place in our society, especially within our elected representatives. Your role as a Member of Parliament is to represent the diverse interests and aspirations of all Australians, regardless of their background. By perpetuating divisive narratives, you risk alienating and further marginalizing a significant portion of our population, damaging the social fabric of our nation, and impeding our progress towards a more harmonious and equitable society.

I implore you to reconsider your position and actively engage in a constructive dialogue on the importance of constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians. By championing this cause, you have an opportunity to leave a lasting legacy of unity, respect, and justice. It is my sincere hope that you will rise to the occasion and contribute positively to the ongoing journey of reconciliation.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I eagerly await your response and hope that it will reflect a genuine commitment to fostering an inclusive and equitable Australia for all its citizens.

Yours sincerely,

Too long Johnny.

… Johnny. that’s way too long.

I took out the niceties, fixed the spelling to UK spellings, and removed the superfluous bits in the middle of sentences. And then sent it from an email account I never check 😁

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Date: 5/06/2023 10:54:26
From: dv
ID: 2039932
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Per the polls, Yes support has declined. Newspoll has yes 46%, no 43%, undecided 11%.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:00:18
From: Michael V
ID: 2039937
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Per the polls, Yes support has declined. Newspoll has yes 46%, no 43%, undecided 11%.

Not good.

:(

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:00:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2039938
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Per the polls, Yes support has declined. Newspoll has yes 46%, no 43%, undecided 11%.

far out.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:02:32
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2039940
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Per the polls, Yes support has declined. Newspoll has yes 46%, no 43%, undecided 11%.

That’s probably close to how it is within the Liberals as well.
The Borg on the other hand.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:03:05
From: Woodie
ID: 2039941
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

I asked ChatGPT to write a letter to a federal MP to reconsider his No stance to the Voice.

Subject: Urgent Need for Inclusive Constitutional Recognition of Indigenous Australians

Dear ,

I hope this letter finds you in good health and high spirits. My name is , and I am writing to you as a concerned citizen and voter in . While I appreciate your dedication to public service, I am compelled to express my deep disappointment regarding your divisive stance on including Indigenous Australians in the Australian Constitution.

Australia, as a nation, has made remarkable progress over the years in recognizing and reconciling with the injustices committed against its Indigenous peoples. However, it is disheartening to witness leaders like yourself promoting racist and exclusionary ideas that undermine the spirit of unity and reconciliation that we have worked so hard to foster.

Indigenous Australians, the First Nations people of this land, have endured centuries of marginalization, discrimination, and systemic injustices. The Constitution, as the foundational document of our nation, should reflect our commitment to equality, inclusivity, and respect for all Australians. Including Indigenous Australians in the Constitution is not a matter of granting special privileges; it is an imperative step towards healing the wounds of the past and ensuring a fair and just future for all.

The overwhelming majority of Australians, including prominent Indigenous leaders, legal experts, and human rights organizations, support the inclusion of a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament. This proposal seeks to provide a formal mechanism for Indigenous Australians to have a say in matters that directly affect their lives, without diminishing the sovereignty of the Australian Parliament. By supporting this initiative, you have an opportunity to demonstrate your commitment to justice, equality, and reconciliation.

Racism and division have no place in our society, especially within our elected representatives. Your role as a Member of Parliament is to represent the diverse interests and aspirations of all Australians, regardless of their background. By perpetuating divisive narratives, you risk alienating and further marginalizing a significant portion of our population, damaging the social fabric of our nation, and impeding our progress towards a more harmonious and equitable society.

I implore you to reconsider your position and actively engage in a constructive dialogue on the importance of constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians. By championing this cause, you have an opportunity to leave a lasting legacy of unity, respect, and justice. It is my sincere hope that you will rise to the occasion and contribute positively to the ongoing journey of reconciliation.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my concerns. I eagerly await your response and hope that it will reflect a genuine commitment to fostering an inclusive and equitable Australia for all its citizens.

Yours sincerely,

Too long Johnny.

… Johnny. that’s way too long.

I took out the niceties, fixed the spelling to UK spellings, and removed the superfluous bits in the middle of sentences. And then sent it from an email account I never check 😁

Epic fail. It says nothing about demanding that the Minister must resign, nor anything about preparing a report for the coroner.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:04:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2039942
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


Divine Angel said:

party_pants said:

Too long Johnny.

… Johnny. that’s way too long.

I took out the niceties, fixed the spelling to UK spellings, and removed the superfluous bits in the middle of sentences. And then sent it from an email account I never check 😁

Epic fail. It says nothing about demanding that the Minister must resign, nor anything about preparing a report for the coroner.

Or recalling the Ambassador.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:22:43
From: dv
ID: 2039947
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Per the polls, Yes support has declined. Newspoll has yes 46%, no 43%, undecided 11%.

far out.

Historically it’s been pretty hard for a referendum to get up without bipartisan support.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:29:03
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2039949
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


Woodie said:

Divine Angel said:

I took out the niceties, fixed the spelling to UK spellings, and removed the superfluous bits in the middle of sentences. And then sent it from an email account I never check 😁

Epic fail. It says nothing about demanding that the Minister must resign, nor anything about preparing a report for the coroner.

Or recalling the Ambassador.

“Of course, you know this means war?”

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:35:46
From: dv
ID: 2039952
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

In fairness that is just one poll, and there’s some scatter and uncertainty. But there’s no doubt things have tightened.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:36:56
From: dv
ID: 2039953
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Australian is having a fucking blinder lately.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pwc-a-victim-of-woke-capitalism-scam/news-story/7f6e593ef023d374bbc47594d7ff330c

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:43:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2039955
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:

The Australian is having a fucking blinder lately.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pwc-a-victim-of-woke-capitalism-scam/news-story/7f6e593ef023d374bbc47594d7ff330c


Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:48:20
From: dv
ID: 2039957
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Australian is having a fucking blinder lately.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pwc-a-victim-of-woke-capitalism-scam/news-story/7f6e593ef023d374bbc47594d7ff330c


Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

I regret to inform you that this is reality

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:49:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2039958
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Australian is having a fucking blinder lately.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pwc-a-victim-of-woke-capitalism-scam/news-story/7f6e593ef023d374bbc47594d7ff330c


Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

I regret to inform you that this is reality

Can I have a precis?

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:51:13
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2039960
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Australian is having a fucking blinder lately.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pwc-a-victim-of-woke-capitalism-scam/news-story/7f6e593ef023d374bbc47594d7ff330c


Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

I regret to inform you that this is reality

Unfortunately they want some money before allowing me to read their new attempt at political satire in full, so I’ll have to give it a miss.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:53:36
From: Michael V
ID: 2039961
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:

The Australian is having a fucking blinder lately.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pwc-a-victim-of-woke-capitalism-scam/news-story/7f6e593ef023d374bbc47594d7ff330c


Never mind the illegality.

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:54:02
From: party_pants
ID: 2039962
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

I regret to inform you that this is reality

Can I have a precis?

You know the current PwC scandal, right?

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Date: 5/06/2023 11:54:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2039963
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


dv said:

The Australian is having a fucking blinder lately.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pwc-a-victim-of-woke-capitalism-scam/news-story/7f6e593ef023d374bbc47594d7ff330c


Never mind the illegality.

…feel the wealth.

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Date: 5/06/2023 12:03:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2039970
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

I regret to inform you that this is reality

Can I have a precis?

You know the current PwC scandal, right?

I googled. Obviously I should be paying better attention.

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Date: 5/06/2023 12:05:09
From: dv
ID: 2039972
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

I regret to inform you that this is reality

Can I have a precis?

It’s paywalled, 12ft ain’t doing it for me, but does it really matter? It’s going to be more insane drivel.

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Date: 5/06/2023 12:46:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2040010
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Per the polls, Yes support has declined. Newspoll has yes 46%, no 43%, undecided 11%.

far out.

Historically it’s been pretty hard for a referendum to get up without bipartisan support.

This is the general history, yes.

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Date: 5/06/2023 12:56:47
From: Ian
ID: 2040027
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

The embarrassment sweeping PwC’s local division is a manifestation of the global crisis in woke capitalism. The claim of higher ethical standards has been exposed as a sham. No amount of rainbow-washing will remove the stain from PwC’s reputation.

The business case for LGBT+ inclusion was set out in a recent report by PwC. It estimated the global spending power of LGBT+ consumers to be more than $5 trillion. The “Ally Marketplace” of consumers who identify as fellow travellers with the LGBT+ community was eight to 10 times bigger.

PwC Australia has followed its own advice to the letter as a sponsor of last November’s Australian LGBTQ Inclusion conference in Melbourne.

Perhaps this frivolous diversity gibberish did come from the heart and was not cut and pasted from countless other statements assuring us of PwC’s faithfulness to the official religion of our day. Or perhaps it meant nothing more than the removable rainbow tattoos worn by those who feel the need to show they care.

Either way, the cracks are appearing in woke corporatism, highlighted by a consumer backlash that has taken tens of billions of dollars off the value of US shares. Anheuser-Busch’s market value has fallen by $US27bn since April 1, the day Dylan Mulvaney, a man who identifies as a woman, announced his partnership with Bud Lite.

Target in the US has lost $US13bn in market value since May 17 when it released its Pride collection of children’s clothing, which includes “tuck-friendly” female swimwear and other products. Other items in the collection include “gender fluid” mugs, “queer all year” calendars and books for children aged 2-8 titled “Bye Bye, Binary”, “Pride 1,2,3” and “I’m not a girl”.

Disney Corporation’s share price was already sliding when it was hit by a boycott in February last year provoked by its public opposition to a Florida law banning the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity to children between kindergarten and third grade.

The “subset of American consumers” refusing Bud Lite is not as small as they imagine, and neither are their necks necessarily red. Shareholders of Anheuser-Busch, Target and Disney have every right to be angry that boards did not apply due diligence before partnering with a movement pursuing radical social goals.

Trans activists have done a remarkable job of portraying themselves as the bearer of the civil rights torch handed down through the ages.

Vivek Ramaswamy blew the lid on virtue-seeking capitalism two years ago in his book Woke, Inc: Inside the Social Justice Scam. “Here’s how it works,” he wrote, “pretend like you care about something other than profit and power, precisely to gain more of each.” The mistakes by Anheuser-Busch and Target suggest it is a short-term trick. The public will only put up with hypocrisy for so long, as PwC’s tumbling reputation attests.

You know it makes sense

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Date: 5/06/2023 13:20:25
From: party_pants
ID: 2040046
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Ian said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

The embarrassment sweeping PwC’s local division is a manifestation of the global crisis in woke capitalism. The claim of higher ethical standards has been exposed as a sham. No amount of rainbow-washing will remove the stain from PwC’s reputation.

The business case for LGBT+ inclusion was set out in a recent report by PwC. It estimated the global spending power of LGBT+ consumers to be more than $5 trillion. The “Ally Marketplace” of consumers who identify as fellow travellers with the LGBT+ community was eight to 10 times bigger.

PwC Australia has followed its own advice to the letter as a sponsor of last November’s Australian LGBTQ Inclusion conference in Melbourne.

Perhaps this frivolous diversity gibberish did come from the heart and was not cut and pasted from countless other statements assuring us of PwC’s faithfulness to the official religion of our day. Or perhaps it meant nothing more than the removable rainbow tattoos worn by those who feel the need to show they care.

Either way, the cracks are appearing in woke corporatism, highlighted by a consumer backlash that has taken tens of billions of dollars off the value of US shares. Anheuser-Busch’s market value has fallen by $US27bn since April 1, the day Dylan Mulvaney, a man who identifies as a woman, announced his partnership with Bud Lite.

Target in the US has lost $US13bn in market value since May 17 when it released its Pride collection of children’s clothing, which includes “tuck-friendly” female swimwear and other products. Other items in the collection include “gender fluid” mugs, “queer all year” calendars and books for children aged 2-8 titled “Bye Bye, Binary”, “Pride 1,2,3” and “I’m not a girl”.

Disney Corporation’s share price was already sliding when it was hit by a boycott in February last year provoked by its public opposition to a Florida law banning the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity to children between kindergarten and third grade.

The “subset of American consumers” refusing Bud Lite is not as small as they imagine, and neither are their necks necessarily red. Shareholders of Anheuser-Busch, Target and Disney have every right to be angry that boards did not apply due diligence before partnering with a movement pursuing radical social goals.

Trans activists have done a remarkable job of portraying themselves as the bearer of the civil rights torch handed down through the ages.

Vivek Ramaswamy blew the lid on virtue-seeking capitalism two years ago in his book Woke, Inc: Inside the Social Justice Scam. “Here’s how it works,” he wrote, “pretend like you care about something other than profit and power, precisely to gain more of each.” The mistakes by Anheuser-Busch and Target suggest it is a short-term trick. The public will only put up with hypocrisy for so long, as PwC’s tumbling reputation attests.

You know it makes sense

So the article is all US far-right talking points and not a word about the legitimate PwC scandal taking place in Aus?

BTW, I kinda like the concept of higher ethical standards, which the author seems to be against.

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Date: 5/06/2023 13:27:49
From: Ian
ID: 2040054
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


Ian said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Nice one.

But seriously, is that a Shovel piece, or who?

The embarrassment sweeping PwC’s local division is a manifestation of the global crisis in woke capitalism. The claim of higher ethical standards has been exposed as a sham. No amount of rainbow-washing will remove the stain from PwC’s reputation.

The business case for LGBT+ inclusion was set out in a recent report by PwC. It estimated the global spending power of LGBT+ consumers to be more than $5 trillion. The “Ally Marketplace” of consumers who identify as fellow travellers with the LGBT+ community was eight to 10 times bigger.

PwC Australia has followed its own advice to the letter as a sponsor of last November’s Australian LGBTQ Inclusion conference in Melbourne.

Perhaps this frivolous diversity gibberish did come from the heart and was not cut and pasted from countless other statements assuring us of PwC’s faithfulness to the official religion of our day. Or perhaps it meant nothing more than the removable rainbow tattoos worn by those who feel the need to show they care.

Either way, the cracks are appearing in woke corporatism, highlighted by a consumer backlash that has taken tens of billions of dollars off the value of US shares. Anheuser-Busch’s market value has fallen by $US27bn since April 1, the day Dylan Mulvaney, a man who identifies as a woman, announced his partnership with Bud Lite.

Target in the US has lost $US13bn in market value since May 17 when it released its Pride collection of children’s clothing, which includes “tuck-friendly” female swimwear and other products. Other items in the collection include “gender fluid” mugs, “queer all year” calendars and books for children aged 2-8 titled “Bye Bye, Binary”, “Pride 1,2,3” and “I’m not a girl”.

Disney Corporation’s share price was already sliding when it was hit by a boycott in February last year provoked by its public opposition to a Florida law banning the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity to children between kindergarten and third grade.

The “subset of American consumers” refusing Bud Lite is not as small as they imagine, and neither are their necks necessarily red. Shareholders of Anheuser-Busch, Target and Disney have every right to be angry that boards did not apply due diligence before partnering with a movement pursuing radical social goals.

Trans activists have done a remarkable job of portraying themselves as the bearer of the civil rights torch handed down through the ages.

Vivek Ramaswamy blew the lid on virtue-seeking capitalism two years ago in his book Woke, Inc: Inside the Social Justice Scam. “Here’s how it works,” he wrote, “pretend like you care about something other than profit and power, precisely to gain more of each.” The mistakes by Anheuser-Busch and Target suggest it is a short-term trick. The public will only put up with hypocrisy for so long, as PwC’s tumbling reputation attests.

You know it makes sense

So the article is all US far-right talking points and not a word about the legitimate PwC scandal taking place in Aus?

BTW, I kinda like the concept of higher ethical standards, which the author seems to be against.

Yeah, goes off at a tangent quite quick like

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Date: 5/06/2023 13:29:18
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2040055
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Ian said:


party_pants said:

Ian said:

The embarrassment sweeping PwC’s local division is a manifestation of the global crisis in woke capitalism. The claim of higher ethical standards has been exposed as a sham. No amount of rainbow-washing will remove the stain from PwC’s reputation.

The business case for LGBT+ inclusion was set out in a recent report by PwC. It estimated the global spending power of LGBT+ consumers to be more than $5 trillion. The “Ally Marketplace” of consumers who identify as fellow travellers with the LGBT+ community was eight to 10 times bigger.

PwC Australia has followed its own advice to the letter as a sponsor of last November’s Australian LGBTQ Inclusion conference in Melbourne.

Perhaps this frivolous diversity gibberish did come from the heart and was not cut and pasted from countless other statements assuring us of PwC’s faithfulness to the official religion of our day. Or perhaps it meant nothing more than the removable rainbow tattoos worn by those who feel the need to show they care.

Either way, the cracks are appearing in woke corporatism, highlighted by a consumer backlash that has taken tens of billions of dollars off the value of US shares. Anheuser-Busch’s market value has fallen by $US27bn since April 1, the day Dylan Mulvaney, a man who identifies as a woman, announced his partnership with Bud Lite.

Target in the US has lost $US13bn in market value since May 17 when it released its Pride collection of children’s clothing, which includes “tuck-friendly” female swimwear and other products. Other items in the collection include “gender fluid” mugs, “queer all year” calendars and books for children aged 2-8 titled “Bye Bye, Binary”, “Pride 1,2,3” and “I’m not a girl”.

Disney Corporation’s share price was already sliding when it was hit by a boycott in February last year provoked by its public opposition to a Florida law banning the teaching of sexual orientation and gender identity to children between kindergarten and third grade.

The “subset of American consumers” refusing Bud Lite is not as small as they imagine, and neither are their necks necessarily red. Shareholders of Anheuser-Busch, Target and Disney have every right to be angry that boards did not apply due diligence before partnering with a movement pursuing radical social goals.

Trans activists have done a remarkable job of portraying themselves as the bearer of the civil rights torch handed down through the ages.

Vivek Ramaswamy blew the lid on virtue-seeking capitalism two years ago in his book Woke, Inc: Inside the Social Justice Scam. “Here’s how it works,” he wrote, “pretend like you care about something other than profit and power, precisely to gain more of each.” The mistakes by Anheuser-Busch and Target suggest it is a short-term trick. The public will only put up with hypocrisy for so long, as PwC’s tumbling reputation attests.

You know it makes sense

So the article is all US far-right talking points and not a word about the legitimate PwC scandal taking place in Aus?

BTW, I kinda like the concept of higher ethical standards, which the author seems to be against.

Yeah, goes off at a tangent quite quick like

Sure, my mates at PwC behaved like the Dodgy Bros., but hey, look at this thing over here instead!

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Date: 5/06/2023 21:56:17
From: dv
ID: 2040233
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

I have not seen any state by state polling on the Voice for a couple of months and that is equally important. As well as an overall majority, the measure needs to get a majority in at least 4 states.

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Date: 5/06/2023 22:03:01
From: party_pants
ID: 2040234
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


I have not seen any state by state polling on the Voice for a couple of months and that is equally important. As well as an overall majority, the measure needs to get a majority in at least 4 states.

I think it is going to be tight.

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:30:15
From: buffy
ID: 2040389
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-06/scathing-report-into-morrison-government-health-funding-program/102443402

But…but…but…aren’t the LibNats the good money managers?

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:31:55
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2040391
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-06/scathing-report-into-morrison-government-health-funding-program/102443402

But…but…but…aren’t the LibNats the good money managers?

That’s what the mining companies and the press barons, and such-like will tell you.

Down at our end, the evidence is not so convincing.

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:44:26
From: Woodie
ID: 2040399
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-06/scathing-report-into-morrison-government-health-funding-program/102443402

But…but…but…aren’t the LibNats the good money managers?

It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister must resign, and the Audit Office must be abolished, This travesty must be taken all the way to the International Court of Justice in The Hague. However I’m prepared to wait for the 60 Minutes “exclusive” interview. Although exclusive of what and exclusive of whom, is yet to be seen.

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:46:04
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2040400
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-06/scathing-report-into-morrison-government-health-funding-program/102443402

But…but…but…aren’t the LibNats the good money managers?

It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister must resign, and the Audit Office must be abolished, This travesty must be taken all the way to the International Court of Justice in The Hague. However I’m prepared to wait for the 60 Minutes “exclusive” interview. Although exclusive of what and exclusive of whom, is yet to be seen.

…and a report prepared for the coroner

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:46:26
From: dv
ID: 2040401
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

All Male Female
Japan 84.62 81.64 87.74
Singapore 83.74 81.5 86.1
SouthKorea 83.43 80.5 86.5
Norway 83.21 81.6 84.9
Australia 83.2 81.2 85.3
Switzerland 83.1 81.1 85.2
Iceland 83.07 81.7 84.5
Israel 82.7 80.7 84.8
Malta 82.65 80.8 84.6
Sweden 82.41 80.7 84.2
Italy 82.34 80.1 84.7
Spain 82.33 79.7 85.1
FrenchPolynesia 82.22 79.32 85.83
Ireland 82.2 80.4 84.1
France 82.18 79.2 85.3
Finland 82.13 79.4 85
Bermuda 82.06 78.3 86
NewZealand 82.06 80.3 83.9
Liechtenstein 81.81 80.1 83.6
Canada 81.75 79.7 83.9
Luxembourg 81.74 79.4 84.2
Denmark 81.55 79.6 83.6
Netherlands 81.41 79.8 83.1
Cyprus 81.39 79.34 83.45
ChannelIslands 81.26 79.14 83.39
Austria 81.19 78.9 83.6
Greece 81.09 78.6 83.7
Portugal 80.98 78 84.1
Germany 80.94 78.6 83.4
UnitedKingdom 80.9 79 82.9
NewCaledonia 80.83 77.25 84.6
Belgium 80.8 78.6 83.1
Slovenia 80.53 77.8 83.4
Maldives 79.88 78.85 81.27
Chile 79.38 76.75 82.04
Costa Rica 79.28 76.75 81.91
Thailand 79.27 74.95 83.7
Bahrain 79.17 78.17 80.43
Qatar 79.1 78.22 80.68
UnitedArabEmirates 78.95 77.46 81.11
AntiguaandBarbuda 78.84 76.06 81.32
Uruguay 78.43 74.69 81.91
Estonia 78.35 74.2 82.7
Czechia 78.23 75.3 81.3
China 78.08 75.31 81.06
PuertoRico 78.04 73.64 82.59
Lebanon 77.8 75.64 79.89
Croatia 77.72 74.7 80.9
Cuba 77.57 75.04 80.22
Barbados 77.39 75.42 79.21
USA 77.28 74.5 80.2
Seychelles 77.24 72.7 82
Albania 76.99 74.63 79.68
Kuwait 76.92 75.35 80.02
Slovakia 76.87 73.5 80.4
Panama 76.66 73.47 80.03
Guam 76.61 72.2 81.87
Poland 76.6 72.6 80.8
SriLanka 76.39 72.6 80.11
SaudiArabia 76.24 74.97 77.99
BosniaandHerzegovina 76.22 74.04 78.41
Malaysia 75.94 73.65 78.47
Montenegro 75.93 73.2 78.8
Argentina 75.89 72.55 79.28
Turkey 75.85 72.77 79.06
Aruba 75.72 72.83 78.44
NorthMacedonia 75.69 73.62 77.87
Hungary 75.62 72.3 79.1
Latvia 75.39 70.9 80.1
Vietnam 75.38 70.79 79.92
Tunisia 75.29 71.84 79.28
Jordan 75.18 72.99 77.77
Lithuania 74.93 70.1 80
Grenada 74.92 72.21 77.87
Iran 74.83 72.1 77.82
Cabo Verde 74.81 70.33 79.16
Brunei 74.8 72.75 77.03
Colombia 74.77 71.54 78.14
Oman 74.76 73.29 76.79
Algeria 74.45 73.08 75.91
TrinidadandTobago 74.41 70.98 77.88
Palestine 74.4 72.16 76.68
Romania 74.35 70.5 78.4
Belarus 74.23 69.3 79.4
Serbia 74.23 71.4 77.2
Mauritius 74.18 70.86 77.66
Brazil 74.01 70.7 77.38
Morocco 73.92 71.76 76.31
Peru 73.67 70.81 76.82
Bulgaria 73.61 69.9 77.5
St. Lucia 73.42 70.04 77.06
North Korea 73.27 70.79 75.72
Paraguay 73.18 70.4 76.16
DominicanRepublic 72.89 69.36 76.91
Belize 72.85 69.56 76.63
Georgia 72.77 67.74 77.87
Samoa 72.77 70.34 75.46
Bahamas 72.68 69.1 76.27
Caribbeansmallstates 72.57 69.78 75.45
Suriname 72.56 69.26 75.98
Libya 72.47 69.87 75.35
World 72.27 69.82 74.88
Armenia 72.17 67.05 77
Ecuador 72.15 68.77 76.06
Mongolia 72.14 67.5 77.02
Syria 72.14 68.89 75.56
St.VincentandtheGrenadines 72.13 69.81 74.94
Philippines 72.12 70.24 74
Bangladesh 71.97 70.19 73.96
Jamaica 71.87 69.82 73.92
Kyrgyzstan 71.8 67.8 76
Guatemala 71.8 68.26 75.55
Nicaragua 71.8 68.65 75.01
Bhutan 71.61 69.97 73.54
Honduras 71.46 69.13 73.99
Greenland 71.4 69.59 73.31
Kazakhstan 71.37 67.09 75.53
Russia 71.34 66.49 76.43
Ukraine 71.19 66.39 76.22
Venezuela 71.09 66.74 75.81
ElSalvador 71.06 66.43 75.41
Egypt 70.99 68.67 73.39
Tonga 70.93 68.34 73.7
Micronesia 70.67 67.11 74.54
Cambodia 70.42 68 72.72
Uzbekistan 70.33 67.88 72.79
Vanuatu 70.3 68.55 72.43
SolomonIslands 70.2 68.79 71.8
Moldova 70.17 65.69 74.85
India 70.15 68.61 71.82
Mexico 70.13 66.33 74.31
Pacificislandsmallstates 69.47 67.63 71.47
Nepal 69.25 67.34 71.17
Iraq 69.12 66.95 71.19
Indonesia 68.81 66.75 70.98
Turkmenistan 68.69 65.39 71.98
Laos 68.5 66.52 70.59
Guyana 68.49 65.08 72.12
Timor-Leste 68.47 66.84 70.28
Senegal 68.01 65.59 70.27
Tajikistan 67.99 66 70.17
Fiji 67.92 66.17 69.74
SaoTomeandPrincipe 67.78 65.16 70.88
Kiribati 67.27 65.35 68.95
Eritrea 67.13 64.86 69.34
Azerbaijan 66.87 62.99 71
Myanmar 66.8 63.78 69.96
Rwanda 66.77 64.36 69
Gabon 66.53 64.26 69.12
Tanzania 66.41 64.37 68.54
Pakistan 66.27 63.95 68.83
PapuaNewGuinea 65.79 63.4 68.8
Botswana 65.65 63.14 68.05
Sudan 65.61 63.11 68.21
Ethiopia 65.37 62.52 68.43
SouthAfrica 65.25 62.18 67.96
Madagascar 65.18 62.89 67.61
Yemen 64.65 61.64 67.89
Mauritania 64.53 62.78 66.33
Bolivia 64.47 61.56 67.84
Comoros 64.17 61.98 66.59
Ghana 64.11 61.9 66.39
Haiti 64.05 61.13 67.12
Congo, Rep. 63.78 62.21 65.4
Malawi 63.72 60.01 67.6
Uganda 62.85 60.72 64.9
Namibia 62.83 59.06 66.61
Djibouti 62.69 60.07 65.46
Kenya 62.67 60.37 65.06
Gambia 62.61 61.02 64.23
Afghanistan 62.58 59.87 65.43
Zambia 62.38 59.64 65.04
Angola 62.26 59.58 64.98
Burundi 61.57 59.47 63.67
Niger 61.45 60.47 62.45
Mozambique 61.17 58.11 64.16
Zimbabwe 61.12 58.13 63.86
Togo 61.03 60.49 61.58
Liberia 60.95 59.53 62.35
Cameroon 60.83 59.08 62.63
EquatorialGuinea 60.71 58.81 62.94
Benin 60.09 58.69 61.48
Guinea-Bissau 60 57.61 62.27
SierraLeone 59.76 58.4 61.12
DR Congo 59.74 57.82 61.7
BurkinaFaso 59.73 57.79 61.6
Eswatini 59.69 56.03 63.68
Guinea 59.33 58.11 60.45
Coted’Ivoire 59.03 57.86 60.35
Mali 58.63 57.38 59.94
Somalia 55.97 53.97 58.05
South udan 55.48 53.91 57
Lesotho 54.69 51.96 57.54
CentralAfricanRepublic 54.6 52.58 56.76
Nigeria 52.89 52.46 53.32
Chad 52.78 51.22 54.4

Australia has the fifth highest life expectancy in the world. The USA has the 50th, having been passed by such countries as Lebanon, China, Cuba, Uruguay.

Having reached the age of 70, an Australian man’s further life expectancy is 16 years. Having reached 70, an Australian woman’s further life expectancy is 19 years.

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:48:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2040402
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:

Although exclusive of what and exclusive of whom, is yet to be seen.

Often exclusive of facts or new information, but a shirtload of innendo.

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:50:04
From: The-Spectator
ID: 2040403
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


Woodie said:

buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-06/scathing-report-into-morrison-government-health-funding-program/102443402

But…but…but…aren’t the LibNats the good money managers?

It’s outrageous. I’m absolutely appalled. The Minister must resign, and the Audit Office must be abolished, This travesty must be taken all the way to the International Court of Justice in The Hague. However I’m prepared to wait for the 60 Minutes “exclusive” interview. Although exclusive of what and exclusive of whom, is yet to be seen.

…and a report prepared for the coroner

Great man Morrison

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:51:32
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2040404
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:
Although exclusive of what and exclusive of whom, is yet to be seen.

Often exclusive of facts or new information, but a shirtload of innendo.

Innuendo.

I can’t type at all well today.

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Date: 6/06/2023 13:51:49
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2040405
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

“Where will the next World Cup take place?
In a tournament first, the World Cup will be held across three host countries – America, Canada and Mexico – after the trio’s bid fended off a strong proposal from Morocco.”

Journalists are becoming increasingly uneducated.

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Date: 6/06/2023 14:05:43
From: dv
ID: 2040407
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


“Where will the next World Cup take place?
In a tournament first, the World Cup will be held across three host countries – America, Canada and Mexico – after the trio’s bid fended off a strong proposal from Morocco.”

Journalists are becoming increasingly uneducated.

It’s a common enough shorthand form, though I suppose it is unusual to see it used in a news article.

Interestingly, or perhaps not, the first US President to commonly refer to the country as America was Theodore Roosevelt.

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Date: 6/06/2023 14:09:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2040408
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


“Where will the next World Cup take place?
In a tournament first, the World Cup will be held across three host countries – America, Canada and Mexico – after the trio’s bid fended off a strong proposal from Morocco.”

Journalists are becoming increasingly uneducated.

Once they learn to cut and paste from other sources’ articles, and to attach their by-line to corporate PR handouts, they’re ready to receive their degree.

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Date: 6/06/2023 14:21:41
From: Cymek
ID: 2040410
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Peak Warming Man said:

“Where will the next World Cup take place?
In a tournament first, the World Cup will be held across three host countries – America, Canada and Mexico – after the trio’s bid fended off a strong proposal from Morocco.”

Journalists are becoming increasingly uneducated.

It’s a common enough shorthand form, though I suppose it is unusual to see it used in a news article.

Interestingly, or perhaps not, the first US President to commonly refer to the country as America was Theodore Roosevelt.

The more modern name is Murica !

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Date: 6/06/2023 16:36:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2040467
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

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Date: 6/06/2023 16:42:18
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2040468
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

What is Shanks referring to?

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Date: 6/06/2023 16:44:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2040470
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

What is Shanks referring to?

WW1 and conscription referenda and Billy Hughes getting egged and the formation of the AFP.

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Date: 6/06/2023 16:50:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2040472
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

What is Shanks referring to?

WW1 and conscription referenda and Billy Hughes getting egged and the formation of the AFP.

Thanks.

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Date: 6/06/2023 16:55:50
From: Woodie
ID: 2040474
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

What is Shanks referring to?

WW1 and conscription referenda and Billy Hughes getting egged and the formation of the AFP.

Getting egged is hardly “civil war”

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Date: 6/06/2023 16:56:54
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2040475
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What is Shanks referring to?

WW1 and conscription referenda and Billy Hughes getting egged and the formation of the AFP.

Getting egged is hardly “civil war”

yeah, pretty uncivil if you ask me.

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Date: 6/06/2023 17:01:48
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2040476
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What is Shanks referring to?

WW1 and conscription referenda and Billy Hughes getting egged and the formation of the AFP.

Getting egged is hardly “civil war”

There is a bit about QLD premier and hughes at loggerheads about printing Hansard after censored bits were read on the floor of parliament.

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Date: 6/06/2023 17:04:42
From: dv
ID: 2040478
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Oval war

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Date: 6/06/2023 17:53:29
From: Michael V
ID: 2040494
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

Took a while to get to his point.

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Date: 6/06/2023 17:57:42
From: party_pants
ID: 2040497
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

Took a while to get to his point.

I wonder what would cause a civil war in Australia in the current day and age?

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Date: 6/06/2023 17:59:02
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2040498
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

Took a while to get to his point.

I wonder what would cause a civil war in Australia in the current day and age?

Probably a suggestion that a football grand final (any code) be played in Adelaide. Or Perth.

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Date: 6/06/2023 17:59:51
From: party_pants
ID: 2040499
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Took a while to get to his point.

I wonder what would cause a civil war in Australia in the current day and age?

Probably a suggestion that a football grand final (any code) be played in Adelaide. Or Perth.

this happened during Covid. No war resulted.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:00:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2040500
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Took a while to get to his point.

I wonder what would cause a civil war in Australia in the current day and age?

Probably a suggestion that a football grand final (any code) be played in Adelaide. Or Perth.

Bellerive.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:02:15
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2040502
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I wonder what would cause a civil war in Australia in the current day and age?

Probably a suggestion that a football grand final (any code) be played in Adelaide. Or Perth.

this happened during Covid. No war resulted.

We weren’t allowed out in the streets then.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:17:33
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2040514
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Australia Almost had a Civil War

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mygy4SbiC3c

I did not know this.

Took a while to get to his point.

I wonder what would cause a civil war in Australia in the current day and age?

We aren’t like the French. We don’t throw up a barricade at a drop of a hat.

In Jordies example it took a PM two failed referendums and then proceeding to do it anyway.

But there has been some atrocious shit gone down in Canberra over the years and no one has really given.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:22:18
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2040515
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:




All Male Female
Japan 84.62 81.64 87.74
Singapore 83.74 81.5 86.1
SouthKorea 83.43 80.5 86.5
Norway 83.21 81.6 84.9
Australia 83.2 81.2 85.3
Switzerland 83.1 81.1 85.2
Iceland 83.07 81.7 84.5
Israel 82.7 80.7 84.8
Malta 82.65 80.8 84.6
Sweden 82.41 80.7 84.2
Italy 82.34 80.1 84.7
Spain 82.33 79.7 85.1
FrenchPolynesia 82.22 79.32 85.83
Ireland 82.2 80.4 84.1
France 82.18 79.2 85.3
Finland 82.13 79.4 85
Bermuda 82.06 78.3 86
NewZealand 82.06 80.3 83.9
Liechtenstein 81.81 80.1 83.6
Canada 81.75 79.7 83.9
Luxembourg 81.74 79.4 84.2
Denmark 81.55 79.6 83.6
Netherlands 81.41 79.8 83.1
Cyprus 81.39 79.34 83.45
ChannelIslands 81.26 79.14 83.39
Austria 81.19 78.9 83.6
Greece 81.09 78.6 83.7
Portugal 80.98 78 84.1
Germany 80.94 78.6 83.4
UnitedKingdom 80.9 79 82.9
NewCaledonia 80.83 77.25 84.6
Belgium 80.8 78.6 83.1
Slovenia 80.53 77.8 83.4
Maldives 79.88 78.85 81.27
Chile 79.38 76.75 82.04
Costa Rica 79.28 76.75 81.91
Thailand 79.27 74.95 83.7
Bahrain 79.17 78.17 80.43
Qatar 79.1 78.22 80.68
UnitedArabEmirates 78.95 77.46 81.11
AntiguaandBarbuda 78.84 76.06 81.32
Uruguay 78.43 74.69 81.91
Estonia 78.35 74.2 82.7
Czechia 78.23 75.3 81.3
China 78.08 75.31 81.06
PuertoRico 78.04 73.64 82.59
Lebanon 77.8 75.64 79.89
Croatia 77.72 74.7 80.9
Cuba 77.57 75.04 80.22
Barbados 77.39 75.42 79.21
USA 77.28 74.5 80.2
Seychelles 77.24 72.7 82
Albania 76.99 74.63 79.68
Kuwait 76.92 75.35 80.02
Slovakia 76.87 73.5 80.4
Panama 76.66 73.47 80.03
Guam 76.61 72.2 81.87
Poland 76.6 72.6 80.8
SriLanka 76.39 72.6 80.11
SaudiArabia 76.24 74.97 77.99
BosniaandHerzegovina 76.22 74.04 78.41
Malaysia 75.94 73.65 78.47
Montenegro 75.93 73.2 78.8
Argentina 75.89 72.55 79.28
Turkey 75.85 72.77 79.06
Aruba 75.72 72.83 78.44
NorthMacedonia 75.69 73.62 77.87
Hungary 75.62 72.3 79.1
Latvia 75.39 70.9 80.1
Vietnam 75.38 70.79 79.92
Tunisia 75.29 71.84 79.28
Jordan 75.18 72.99 77.77
Lithuania 74.93 70.1 80
Grenada 74.92 72.21 77.87
Iran 74.83 72.1 77.82
Cabo Verde 74.81 70.33 79.16
Brunei 74.8 72.75 77.03
Colombia 74.77 71.54 78.14
Oman 74.76 73.29 76.79
Algeria 74.45 73.08 75.91
TrinidadandTobago 74.41 70.98 77.88
Palestine 74.4 72.16 76.68
Romania 74.35 70.5 78.4
Belarus 74.23 69.3 79.4
Serbia 74.23 71.4 77.2
Mauritius 74.18 70.86 77.66
Brazil 74.01 70.7 77.38
Morocco 73.92 71.76 76.31
Peru 73.67 70.81 76.82
Bulgaria 73.61 69.9 77.5
St. Lucia 73.42 70.04 77.06
North Korea 73.27 70.79 75.72
Paraguay 73.18 70.4 76.16
DominicanRepublic 72.89 69.36 76.91
Belize 72.85 69.56 76.63
Georgia 72.77 67.74 77.87
Samoa 72.77 70.34 75.46
Bahamas 72.68 69.1 76.27
Caribbeansmallstates 72.57 69.78 75.45
Suriname 72.56 69.26 75.98
Libya 72.47 69.87 75.35
World 72.27 69.82 74.88
Armenia 72.17 67.05 77
Ecuador 72.15 68.77 76.06
Mongolia 72.14 67.5 77.02
Syria 72.14 68.89 75.56
St.VincentandtheGrenadines 72.13 69.81 74.94
Philippines 72.12 70.24 74
Bangladesh 71.97 70.19 73.96
Jamaica 71.87 69.82 73.92
Kyrgyzstan 71.8 67.8 76
Guatemala 71.8 68.26 75.55
Nicaragua 71.8 68.65 75.01
Bhutan 71.61 69.97 73.54
Honduras 71.46 69.13 73.99
Greenland 71.4 69.59 73.31
Kazakhstan 71.37 67.09 75.53
Russia 71.34 66.49 76.43
Ukraine 71.19 66.39 76.22
Venezuela 71.09 66.74 75.81
ElSalvador 71.06 66.43 75.41
Egypt 70.99 68.67 73.39
Tonga 70.93 68.34 73.7
Micronesia 70.67 67.11 74.54
Cambodia 70.42 68 72.72
Uzbekistan 70.33 67.88 72.79
Vanuatu 70.3 68.55 72.43
SolomonIslands 70.2 68.79 71.8
Moldova 70.17 65.69 74.85
India 70.15 68.61 71.82
Mexico 70.13 66.33 74.31
Pacificislandsmallstates 69.47 67.63 71.47
Nepal 69.25 67.34 71.17
Iraq 69.12 66.95 71.19
Indonesia 68.81 66.75 70.98
Turkmenistan 68.69 65.39 71.98
Laos 68.5 66.52 70.59
Guyana 68.49 65.08 72.12
Timor-Leste 68.47 66.84 70.28
Senegal 68.01 65.59 70.27
Tajikistan 67.99 66 70.17
Fiji 67.92 66.17 69.74
SaoTomeandPrincipe 67.78 65.16 70.88
Kiribati 67.27 65.35 68.95
Eritrea 67.13 64.86 69.34
Azerbaijan 66.87 62.99 71
Myanmar 66.8 63.78 69.96
Rwanda 66.77 64.36 69
Gabon 66.53 64.26 69.12
Tanzania 66.41 64.37 68.54
Pakistan 66.27 63.95 68.83
PapuaNewGuinea 65.79 63.4 68.8
Botswana 65.65 63.14 68.05
Sudan 65.61 63.11 68.21
Ethiopia 65.37 62.52 68.43
SouthAfrica 65.25 62.18 67.96
Madagascar 65.18 62.89 67.61
Yemen 64.65 61.64 67.89
Mauritania 64.53 62.78 66.33
Bolivia 64.47 61.56 67.84
Comoros 64.17 61.98 66.59
Ghana 64.11 61.9 66.39
Haiti 64.05 61.13 67.12
Congo, Rep. 63.78 62.21 65.4
Malawi 63.72 60.01 67.6
Uganda 62.85 60.72 64.9
Namibia 62.83 59.06 66.61
Djibouti 62.69 60.07 65.46
Kenya 62.67 60.37 65.06
Gambia 62.61 61.02 64.23
Afghanistan 62.58 59.87 65.43
Zambia 62.38 59.64 65.04
Angola 62.26 59.58 64.98
Burundi 61.57 59.47 63.67
Niger 61.45 60.47 62.45
Mozambique 61.17 58.11 64.16
Zimbabwe 61.12 58.13 63.86
Togo 61.03 60.49 61.58
Liberia 60.95 59.53 62.35
Cameroon 60.83 59.08 62.63
EquatorialGuinea 60.71 58.81 62.94
Benin 60.09 58.69 61.48
Guinea-Bissau 60 57.61 62.27
SierraLeone 59.76 58.4 61.12
DR Congo 59.74 57.82 61.7
BurkinaFaso 59.73 57.79 61.6
Eswatini 59.69 56.03 63.68
Guinea 59.33 58.11 60.45
Coted’Ivoire 59.03 57.86 60.35
Mali 58.63 57.38 59.94
Somalia 55.97 53.97 58.05
South udan 55.48 53.91 57
Lesotho 54.69 51.96 57.54
CentralAfricanRepublic 54.6 52.58 56.76
Nigeria 52.89 52.46 53.32
Chad 52.78 51.22 54.4

Australia has the fifth highest life expectancy in the world. The USA has the 50th, having been passed by such countries as Lebanon, China, Cuba, Uruguay.

Having reached the age of 70, an Australian man’s further life expectancy is 16 years. Having reached 70, an Australian woman’s further life expectancy is 19 years.

I’m a little surprised that Aus is so far ahead of NZ.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:23:35
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2040517
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Cymek said:


dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Where will the next World Cup take place?
In a tournament first, the World Cup will be held across three host countries – America, Canada and Mexico – after the trio’s bid fended off a strong proposal from Morocco.”

Journalists are becoming increasingly uneducated.

It’s a common enough shorthand form, though I suppose it is unusual to see it used in a news article.

Interestingly, or perhaps not, the first US President to commonly refer to the country as America was Theodore Roosevelt.

The more modern name is Murica !

Where the Merkins come from.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:29:54
From: dv
ID: 2040520
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:



All Male Female
Japan 84.62 81.64 87.74
Singapore 83.74 81.5 86.1
SouthKorea 83.43 80.5 86.5
Norway 83.21 81.6 84.9
Australia 83.2 81.2 85.3
Switzerland 83.1 81.1 85.2
Iceland 83.07 81.7 84.5
Israel 82.7 80.7 84.8
Malta 82.65 80.8 84.6
Sweden 82.41 80.7 84.2
Italy 82.34 80.1 84.7
Spain 82.33 79.7 85.1
FrenchPolynesia 82.22 79.32 85.83
Ireland 82.2 80.4 84.1
France 82.18 79.2 85.3
Finland 82.13 79.4 85
Bermuda 82.06 78.3 86
NewZealand 82.06 80.3 83.9
Liechtenstein 81.81 80.1 83.6
Canada 81.75 79.7 83.9
Luxembourg 81.74 79.4 84.2
Denmark 81.55 79.6 83.6
Netherlands 81.41 79.8 83.1
Cyprus 81.39 79.34 83.45
ChannelIslands 81.26 79.14 83.39
Austria 81.19 78.9 83.6
Greece 81.09 78.6 83.7
Portugal 80.98 78 84.1
Germany 80.94 78.6 83.4
UnitedKingdom 80.9 79 82.9
NewCaledonia 80.83 77.25 84.6
Belgium 80.8 78.6 83.1
Slovenia 80.53 77.8 83.4
Maldives 79.88 78.85 81.27
Chile 79.38 76.75 82.04
Costa Rica 79.28 76.75 81.91
Thailand 79.27 74.95 83.7
Bahrain 79.17 78.17 80.43
Qatar 79.1 78.22 80.68
UnitedArabEmirates 78.95 77.46 81.11
AntiguaandBarbuda 78.84 76.06 81.32
Uruguay 78.43 74.69 81.91
Estonia 78.35 74.2 82.7
Czechia 78.23 75.3 81.3
China 78.08 75.31 81.06
PuertoRico 78.04 73.64 82.59
Lebanon 77.8 75.64 79.89
Croatia 77.72 74.7 80.9
Cuba 77.57 75.04 80.22
Barbados 77.39 75.42 79.21
USA 77.28 74.5 80.2
Seychelles 77.24 72.7 82
Albania 76.99 74.63 79.68
Kuwait 76.92 75.35 80.02
Slovakia 76.87 73.5 80.4
Panama 76.66 73.47 80.03
Guam 76.61 72.2 81.87
Poland 76.6 72.6 80.8
SriLanka 76.39 72.6 80.11
SaudiArabia 76.24 74.97 77.99
BosniaandHerzegovina 76.22 74.04 78.41
Malaysia 75.94 73.65 78.47
Montenegro 75.93 73.2 78.8
Argentina 75.89 72.55 79.28
Turkey 75.85 72.77 79.06
Aruba 75.72 72.83 78.44
NorthMacedonia 75.69 73.62 77.87
Hungary 75.62 72.3 79.1
Latvia 75.39 70.9 80.1
Vietnam 75.38 70.79 79.92
Tunisia 75.29 71.84 79.28
Jordan 75.18 72.99 77.77
Lithuania 74.93 70.1 80
Grenada 74.92 72.21 77.87
Iran 74.83 72.1 77.82
Cabo Verde 74.81 70.33 79.16
Brunei 74.8 72.75 77.03
Colombia 74.77 71.54 78.14
Oman 74.76 73.29 76.79
Algeria 74.45 73.08 75.91
TrinidadandTobago 74.41 70.98 77.88
Palestine 74.4 72.16 76.68
Romania 74.35 70.5 78.4
Belarus 74.23 69.3 79.4
Serbia 74.23 71.4 77.2
Mauritius 74.18 70.86 77.66
Brazil 74.01 70.7 77.38
Morocco 73.92 71.76 76.31
Peru 73.67 70.81 76.82
Bulgaria 73.61 69.9 77.5
St. Lucia 73.42 70.04 77.06
North Korea 73.27 70.79 75.72
Paraguay 73.18 70.4 76.16
DominicanRepublic 72.89 69.36 76.91
Belize 72.85 69.56 76.63
Georgia 72.77 67.74 77.87
Samoa 72.77 70.34 75.46
Bahamas 72.68 69.1 76.27
Caribbeansmallstates 72.57 69.78 75.45
Suriname 72.56 69.26 75.98
Libya 72.47 69.87 75.35
World 72.27 69.82 74.88
Armenia 72.17 67.05 77
Ecuador 72.15 68.77 76.06
Mongolia 72.14 67.5 77.02
Syria 72.14 68.89 75.56
St.VincentandtheGrenadines 72.13 69.81 74.94
Philippines 72.12 70.24 74
Bangladesh 71.97 70.19 73.96
Jamaica 71.87 69.82 73.92
Kyrgyzstan 71.8 67.8 76
Guatemala 71.8 68.26 75.55
Nicaragua 71.8 68.65 75.01
Bhutan 71.61 69.97 73.54
Honduras 71.46 69.13 73.99
Greenland 71.4 69.59 73.31
Kazakhstan 71.37 67.09 75.53
Russia 71.34 66.49 76.43
Ukraine 71.19 66.39 76.22
Venezuela 71.09 66.74 75.81
ElSalvador 71.06 66.43 75.41
Egypt 70.99 68.67 73.39
Tonga 70.93 68.34 73.7
Micronesia 70.67 67.11 74.54
Cambodia 70.42 68 72.72
Uzbekistan 70.33 67.88 72.79
Vanuatu 70.3 68.55 72.43
SolomonIslands 70.2 68.79 71.8
Moldova 70.17 65.69 74.85
India 70.15 68.61 71.82
Mexico 70.13 66.33 74.31
Pacificislandsmallstates 69.47 67.63 71.47
Nepal 69.25 67.34 71.17
Iraq 69.12 66.95 71.19
Indonesia 68.81 66.75 70.98
Turkmenistan 68.69 65.39 71.98
Laos 68.5 66.52 70.59
Guyana 68.49 65.08 72.12
Timor-Leste 68.47 66.84 70.28
Senegal 68.01 65.59 70.27
Tajikistan 67.99 66 70.17
Fiji 67.92 66.17 69.74
SaoTomeandPrincipe 67.78 65.16 70.88
Kiribati 67.27 65.35 68.95
Eritrea 67.13 64.86 69.34
Azerbaijan 66.87 62.99 71
Myanmar 66.8 63.78 69.96
Rwanda 66.77 64.36 69
Gabon 66.53 64.26 69.12
Tanzania 66.41 64.37 68.54
Pakistan 66.27 63.95 68.83
PapuaNewGuinea 65.79 63.4 68.8
Botswana 65.65 63.14 68.05
Sudan 65.61 63.11 68.21
Ethiopia 65.37 62.52 68.43
SouthAfrica 65.25 62.18 67.96
Madagascar 65.18 62.89 67.61
Yemen 64.65 61.64 67.89
Mauritania 64.53 62.78 66.33
Bolivia 64.47 61.56 67.84
Comoros 64.17 61.98 66.59
Ghana 64.11 61.9 66.39
Haiti 64.05 61.13 67.12
Congo, Rep. 63.78 62.21 65.4
Malawi 63.72 60.01 67.6
Uganda 62.85 60.72 64.9
Namibia 62.83 59.06 66.61
Djibouti 62.69 60.07 65.46
Kenya 62.67 60.37 65.06
Gambia 62.61 61.02 64.23
Afghanistan 62.58 59.87 65.43
Zambia 62.38 59.64 65.04
Angola 62.26 59.58 64.98
Burundi 61.57 59.47 63.67
Niger 61.45 60.47 62.45
Mozambique 61.17 58.11 64.16
Zimbabwe 61.12 58.13 63.86
Togo 61.03 60.49 61.58
Liberia 60.95 59.53 62.35
Cameroon 60.83 59.08 62.63
EquatorialGuinea 60.71 58.81 62.94
Benin 60.09 58.69 61.48
Guinea-Bissau 60 57.61 62.27
SierraLeone 59.76 58.4 61.12
DR Congo 59.74 57.82 61.7
BurkinaFaso 59.73 57.79 61.6
Eswatini 59.69 56.03 63.68
Guinea 59.33 58.11 60.45
Coted’Ivoire 59.03 57.86 60.35
Mali 58.63 57.38 59.94
Somalia 55.97 53.97 58.05
South udan 55.48 53.91 57
Lesotho 54.69 51.96 57.54
CentralAfricanRepublic 54.6 52.58 56.76
Nigeria 52.89 52.46 53.32
Chad 52.78 51.22 54.4

Australia has the fifth highest life expectancy in the world. The USA has the 50th, having been passed by such countries as Lebanon, China, Cuba, Uruguay.

Having reached the age of 70, an Australian man’s further life expectancy is 16 years. Having reached 70, an Australian woman’s further life expectancy is 19 years.

I’m a little surprised that Aus is so far ahead of NZ.

Although ordinally there’s a gap, it’s only about 1 year

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:33:34
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2040523
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Good to see we win out of the English-gabbing peoples.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:37:58
From: party_pants
ID: 2040529
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


Good to see we win out of the English-gabbing peoples.

We’re also ahead of the EU.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:38:46
From: dv
ID: 2040530
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


Good to see we win out of the English-gabbing peoples.

Indeed if there a few more herring-related heart attacks we’ll be the best outside of east Asia.

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Date: 6/06/2023 18:45:19
From: Michael V
ID: 2040533
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

Good to see we win out of the English-gabbing peoples.

Indeed if there a few more herring-related heart attacks we’ll be the best outside of east Asia.

Or maybe we should eat more herring here.

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Date: 7/06/2023 01:44:51
From: dv
ID: 2040616
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The resignation of Ryan Smith means there will be a by-election in the Victorian division of Warrandyte sometime soon.

Quite a few people have shown interest in running.

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Date: 7/06/2023 07:57:10
From: buffy
ID: 2040640
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The resignation of Ryan Smith means there will be a by-election in the Victorian division of Warrandyte sometime soon.

Quite a few people have shown interest in running.

I remember the name John Roskam…Jon Faine used to talk to him on the radio, I think.

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Date: 7/06/2023 09:09:34
From: Tamb
ID: 2040648
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


dv said:

The resignation of Ryan Smith means there will be a by-election in the Victorian division of Warrandyte sometime soon.

Quite a few people have shown interest in running.

I remember the name John Roskam…Jon Faine used to talk to him on the radio, I think.

~Quite a few people have shown interest in running.
Toward or away?

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Date: 7/06/2023 16:09:07
From: dv
ID: 2040809
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Bradden by-election is on for mid July. It’s a safe Liberal seat.

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Date: 7/06/2023 18:41:06
From: buffy
ID: 2040871
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Hmmm..selective quoting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-07/peter-dutton-denies-ministers-misrepresented-judges-voice/102452512

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Date: 7/06/2023 18:55:54
From: Michael V
ID: 2040881
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


Hmmm..selective quoting.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-07/peter-dutton-denies-ministers-misrepresented-judges-voice/102452512

Typical pollies, but a very bad look.

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Date: 8/06/2023 01:14:18
From: dv
ID: 2041021
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Not Bradden. Fadden.

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Date: 9/06/2023 17:00:52
From: dv
ID: 2041757
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Explosive texts reveal police hostility to Scott Johnson’s family

Text messages sent by senior NSW Police officers reveal their hostility towards the family of US mathematician Scott Johnson, whose killer was sentenced on Thursday to a maximum of nine years in prison.

The Johnson case is one of dozens of deaths between 1970 and 2010 being examined by the state’s landmark inquiry into suspected LGBTIQ hate crimes, which is due to report by August 30.

In text messages tendered during the inquiry, former deputy police commissioner Mick Willing, then commander of the homicide squad, discussed the Johnson family with then detective chief inspector Pamela Young, who had supervised a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death.

Willing texted Young on February 14, 2015, “I want all the hard work you have done to come out in court for what it is and show the Johnsons for what they are.

“We need to let that happen and can’t jeopardise that now by letting them win.”

Young replied: “Mick – I will not let them win – that is not in my DNA.”

Willing said: “OK I understand. We will work through it and we will come out on top.”

Both Willing and Young have since left the force.

Steve Johnson, Scott’s brother, referred to the text exchange this week and said, “Hearing these upsetting admissions really just makes my family even more determined to help the other families.”

In an interview on the ABC’s Lateline program, televised the day before the text messages were sent, Young said, “there’s still evidence and information that Scott may have suicided”.

She suggested Steve Johnson had used “influence” on the government “to make the death of Scott a priority in my office over other jobs that we had”, and accused the police minister of “kowtowing” to the family in setting up a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death in February 2013.

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/explosive-texts-reveal-police-hostility-to-scott-johnson-family-20230608-p5df46.html?btis=

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Date: 9/06/2023 17:03:37
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2041758
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Explosive texts reveal police hostility to Scott Johnson’s family

Text messages sent by senior NSW Police officers reveal their hostility towards the family of US mathematician Scott Johnson, whose killer was sentenced on Thursday to a maximum of nine years in prison.

The Johnson case is one of dozens of deaths between 1970 and 2010 being examined by the state’s landmark inquiry into suspected LGBTIQ hate crimes, which is due to report by August 30.

In text messages tendered during the inquiry, former deputy police commissioner Mick Willing, then commander of the homicide squad, discussed the Johnson family with then detective chief inspector Pamela Young, who had supervised a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death.

Willing texted Young on February 14, 2015, “I want all the hard work you have done to come out in court for what it is and show the Johnsons for what they are.

“We need to let that happen and can’t jeopardise that now by letting them win.”

Young replied: “Mick – I will not let them win – that is not in my DNA.”

Willing said: “OK I understand. We will work through it and we will come out on top.”

Both Willing and Young have since left the force.

Steve Johnson, Scott’s brother, referred to the text exchange this week and said, “Hearing these upsetting admissions really just makes my family even more determined to help the other families.”

In an interview on the ABC’s Lateline program, televised the day before the text messages were sent, Young said, “there’s still evidence and information that Scott may have suicided”.

She suggested Steve Johnson had used “influence” on the government “to make the death of Scott a priority in my office over other jobs that we had”, and accused the police minister of “kowtowing” to the family in setting up a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death in February 2013.

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/explosive-texts-reveal-police-hostility-to-scott-johnson-family-20230608-p5df46.html?btis=

Embarrassing incompetence and worse.

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Date: 9/06/2023 17:05:13
From: Cymek
ID: 2041759
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Explosive texts reveal police hostility to Scott Johnson’s family

Text messages sent by senior NSW Police officers reveal their hostility towards the family of US mathematician Scott Johnson, whose killer was sentenced on Thursday to a maximum of nine years in prison.

The Johnson case is one of dozens of deaths between 1970 and 2010 being examined by the state’s landmark inquiry into suspected LGBTIQ hate crimes, which is due to report by August 30.

In text messages tendered during the inquiry, former deputy police commissioner Mick Willing, then commander of the homicide squad, discussed the Johnson family with then detective chief inspector Pamela Young, who had supervised a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death.

Willing texted Young on February 14, 2015, “I want all the hard work you have done to come out in court for what it is and show the Johnsons for what they are.

“We need to let that happen and can’t jeopardise that now by letting them win.”

Young replied: “Mick – I will not let them win – that is not in my DNA.”

Willing said: “OK I understand. We will work through it and we will come out on top.”

Both Willing and Young have since left the force.

Steve Johnson, Scott’s brother, referred to the text exchange this week and said, “Hearing these upsetting admissions really just makes my family even more determined to help the other families.”

In an interview on the ABC’s Lateline program, televised the day before the text messages were sent, Young said, “there’s still evidence and information that Scott may have suicided”.

She suggested Steve Johnson had used “influence” on the government “to make the death of Scott a priority in my office over other jobs that we had”, and accused the police minister of “kowtowing” to the family in setting up a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death in February 2013.

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/explosive-texts-reveal-police-hostility-to-scott-johnson-family-20230608-p5df46.html?btis=

He fits (did / does) into that category of police investigation disdain / laziness from back in the day
Like how many young gay men were murdered by serial killers in the USA and the police did very little because of who they were

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Date: 9/06/2023 18:09:47
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2041784
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Explosive texts reveal police hostility to Scott Johnson’s family

Text messages sent by senior NSW Police officers reveal their hostility towards the family of US mathematician Scott Johnson, whose killer was sentenced on Thursday to a maximum of nine years in prison.

The Johnson case is one of dozens of deaths between 1970 and 2010 being examined by the state’s landmark inquiry into suspected LGBTIQ hate crimes, which is due to report by August 30.

In text messages tendered during the inquiry, former deputy police commissioner Mick Willing, then commander of the homicide squad, discussed the Johnson family with then detective chief inspector Pamela Young, who had supervised a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death.

Willing texted Young on February 14, 2015, “I want all the hard work you have done to come out in court for what it is and show the Johnsons for what they are.

“We need to let that happen and can’t jeopardise that now by letting them win.”

Young replied: “Mick – I will not let them win – that is not in my DNA.”

Willing said: “OK I understand. We will work through it and we will come out on top.”

Both Willing and Young have since left the force.

Steve Johnson, Scott’s brother, referred to the text exchange this week and said, “Hearing these upsetting admissions really just makes my family even more determined to help the other families.”

In an interview on the ABC’s Lateline program, televised the day before the text messages were sent, Young said, “there’s still evidence and information that Scott may have suicided”.

She suggested Steve Johnson had used “influence” on the government “to make the death of Scott a priority in my office over other jobs that we had”, and accused the police minister of “kowtowing” to the family in setting up a reinvestigation into Johnson’s death in February 2013.

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/explosive-texts-reveal-police-hostility-to-scott-johnson-family-20230608-p5df46.html?btis=

I skimmed that and was thinking it was pretty bad even by 1970’s standards.

Then I read back and saw we are talking 2015!

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Date: 9/06/2023 18:22:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2041793
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Seems to be a case of duelling text messages in the Brittany Higgins imbroglio .

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Date: 9/06/2023 18:54:01
From: buffy
ID: 2041799
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

They just keep coming. You’ve got to wonder if it was only because of marginal electorates. Or was this one some sort of Christian thing (I see there is mention of gay conversion therapy in the article).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-09/esther-foundation-anao-residents-4m-grant-scott-morrison/102461512

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Date: 9/06/2023 19:10:37
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2041802
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Seems to be a case of duelling text messages in the Brittany Higgins imbroglio .

I wonder if mind reading technology could find the liar.

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Date: 10/06/2023 03:39:21
From: dv
ID: 2041849
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The demography of South East Queensland kind of snuck up on me a bit.

The SEQ conurbation (built up areas of Brisbane City, Logan City, Gold Coast, Redland City, Ipswich, Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast) had a population of 3.8 million in 2022.

Area shown in red:

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Date: 10/06/2023 04:04:13
From: Ian
ID: 2041850
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The demography of South East Queensland kind of snuck up on me a bit.

The SEQ conurbation (built up areas of Brisbane City, Logan City, Gold Coast, Redland City, Ipswich, Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast) had a population of 3.8 million in 2022.

Area shown in red:

Yeah, it’s a big old mess. Could have done with some planning for all the expansion but…

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Date: 10/06/2023 06:53:25
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2041853
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The demography of South East Queensland kind of snuck up on me a bit.

The SEQ conurbation (built up areas of Brisbane City, Logan City, Gold Coast, Redland City, Ipswich, Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast) had a population of 3.8 million in 2022.

Area shown in red:


When I moved here in 2007, the entire population of Qld was 4 million, according to the sign in Coolangatta.

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Date: 10/06/2023 06:54:28
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2041854
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


dv said:

The demography of South East Queensland kind of snuck up on me a bit.

The SEQ conurbation (built up areas of Brisbane City, Logan City, Gold Coast, Redland City, Ipswich, Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast) had a population of 3.8 million in 2022.

Area shown in red:


When I moved here in 2007, the entire population of Qld was 4 million, according to the sign in Coolangatta.


ABS says 4.29m in 2007.

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Date: 10/06/2023 19:10:54
From: dv
ID: 2042133
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

PB is referring her to Lehrman’s ongoing rape trials in Toowoomba, kind of unusual for a journalist but I suppose he’s been vague enough here to avoid trouble.

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Date: 12/06/2023 03:31:18
From: dv
ID: 2042399
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Adelaides train and tram operation returns to government

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/about-us/news/news-items/2023/trains-and-trams-return-to-public-hands

The State Government has announced that is has reached agreements with train operator Keolis Downer Adelaide and tram operator Torrens Connect to return Adelaide Metro train and tram services to Government operation.

Train operator Keolis Downer Adelaide and tram operator Torrens Connect will hand back operational functions by January 2025 and July 2025 respectively, ensuring a safe and efficient transition.

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Date: 12/06/2023 04:03:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2042400
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Adelaides train and tram operation returns to government

https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/about-us/news/news-items/2023/trains-and-trams-return-to-public-hands

The State Government has announced that is has reached agreements with train operator Keolis Downer Adelaide and tram operator Torrens Connect to return Adelaide Metro train and tram services to Government operation.

Train operator Keolis Downer Adelaide and tram operator Torrens Connect will hand back operational functions by January 2025 and July 2025 respectively, ensuring a safe and efficient transition.

Should be more of it.

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Date: 12/06/2023 09:42:01
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2042437
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Study finds Aboriginal adults caught with cannabis more likely to go to court
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-12/fewer-aboriginal-adults-cautioned-when-found-with-cannabis/102451008

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Date: 12/06/2023 09:45:48
From: dv
ID: 2042440
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Study finds Aboriginal adults caught with cannabis more likely to go to court
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-12/fewer-aboriginal-adults-cautioned-when-found-with-cannabis/102451008

Can’t we just legalise it and put an end to this nonsense…

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Date: 12/06/2023 10:02:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2042447
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

Study finds Aboriginal adults caught with cannabis more likely to go to court
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-12/fewer-aboriginal-adults-cautioned-when-found-with-cannabis/102451008

Can’t we just legalise it and put an end to this nonsense…

Tell that to the stupid lawmakers.

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Date: 12/06/2023 10:15:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2042460
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Study finds Aboriginal adults caught with cannabis more likely to go to court
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-12/fewer-aboriginal-adults-cautioned-when-found-with-cannabis/102451008

Can’t we just legalise it and put an end to this nonsense…

Tell that to the stupid lawmakers.

Lawmakers abusing peoples rights.

Is that ironic in some way?

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Date: 12/06/2023 10:20:10
From: Cymek
ID: 2042464
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Can’t we just legalise it and put an end to this nonsense…

Tell that to the stupid lawmakers.

Lawmakers abusing peoples rights.

Is that ironic in some way?

What about lawnmakers abusing grasses rights

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Date: 12/06/2023 13:40:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2042536
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Media release – Dean Winter MP, Shadow Minister for Economic Development, 6 June 2023

LIBERAL GOVERNMENT PAYS DEVELOPER NOT TO BUILD HOUSES
Minister Guy Barnett has today revealed his minority Liberal government has paid a developer $1.25 million to abandon a housing project in the middle of a housing crisis.

In November 2021 Milieu was chosen to undertake a housing, retail and hospitality development at the Escarpment site at Macquarie Point, which was described by Minister Barnett as the “the cornerstone of the exciting Macquarie Point development.”

He also told Tasmanians the project was “anticipated to directly employ 215 FTE, and supporting a further 375 FTE during the construction period,” and further claimed that “once complete, a further 110 FTE are expected to be employed for the ongoing operation of the site.”

Instead of providing housing in the middle of a housing crisis, and housing construction jobs when we’ve seen a sharp downturn in dwelling approvals, this minority Liberal government is giving a development company $1.25 million of taxpayer money to do nothing.

This is yet another example of how this ten-year-old minority government has got its priorities completely wrong.

DECEIT AND DECEPTION ON AFL/STADIUM DEAL UNRAVELS
Jeremy Rockliff’s deceit and deception over the advice he has received for his billion dollar Hobart stadium is unravelling.

Today during Budget Estimates, Secretary of State Growth Kim Evans told the hearing he had provided advice on the AFL deal and the stadium to the government.

Clearly Premier Rockliff has again misled both Parliament and the Tasmanian people by claiming no such advice existed.

He also appears to be in contempt of Parliament by not providing this advice last Thursday when he had been ordered to do so.

Minister Barnett’s claim he hasn’t seen this advice also appears to warrant further scrutiny.

Tasmanians have received yet another serving of the Rockliff minority Government’s signature dish – deception and dishonesty.

Media release – Shane Broad MP, Shadow Treasurer, 6 June 2023

FERGUSON’S SHAMEFUL DISREGARD OF TRUTH AND TRANSPARENCY REGARDING THE AFL DEAL
Treasurer Michael Ferguson’s shameful refusal to answer the most basic questions about the risks to the Tasmanian taxpayer regarding the stadium and AFL deal is a sad day for democracy in this state.

He refused on countless occasions today to answer any questions about the deal including whether he’d seen the contract prior to it being signed.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed but yet again he’s treated the Tasmanian people, the taxpayers, with utter contempt.

He also refused to answer questions about the risk to the state that the AFL can, at its sole discretion, terminate the deal after 12 years after Tasmania has pumped millions of taxpayers’ money into a stadium and a team (clause 11.5).

To sign a contract where there is a real risk that the AFL can, at its sole discretion, walk away from the deal after 12 years and we’re left with a billion dollar stadium with no footy played in it is disgraceful.

It’s also clear that Mr Ferguson has gagged the Treasury secretary Mr Ferrall from speaking on the topic. If he’s got nothing to hide why won’t he let his Secretary answer questions on the AFL Deal?

The whole deal is a dog’s breakfast and lacking anything resembling governance, transparency and due process.

The AFL deal including the stadium did not go through Cabinet and it wasn’t seen by the Treasurer prior to it being signed.

If both those things had happened the Treasurer and the Premier would have simply answered ‘yes’ when asked.

Instead they continue the disgraceful dishonesty and lack of transparency that has got this government into minority.
https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/govt-paid-developer-to-not-build-housing-at-stadium-site/

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Date: 12/06/2023 22:38:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2042679
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/light-beam-marks-stupidest-project-in-the-universe/

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Date: 12/06/2023 23:08:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2042683
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/light-beam-marks-stupidest-project-in-the-universe/

Tas Premier Reminds Stadium Naysayers That It Will Have A Roof So People Could Hypothetically Live There If That’s What They Want

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/tas-premier-reminds-stadium-naysayers-that-it-will-have-a-roof-so-people-could-hypothetically-live-there-if-thats-what-they-want/

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Date: 13/06/2023 07:35:55
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2042712
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/light-beam-marks-stupidest-project-in-the-universe/

I can’t possibly comment, not having seen other light shows of the universe.

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Date: 13/06/2023 15:41:27
From: buffy
ID: 2042881
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-13/katy-gallagher-fronts-senate-brittany-higgins-knowledge/102469532

I hadn’t realized the committee involved was 2 years ago.

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Date: 13/06/2023 17:22:26
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2042897
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-13/katy-gallagher-fronts-senate-brittany-higgins-knowledge/102469532

I hadn’t realized the committee involved was 2 years ago.

Dragging on for too long.
Dragging on for too long.
Dragging on for too long.

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Date: 14/06/2023 23:18:45
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2043381
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/13/guardian-essential-poll-mortgage-holders-interest-rate-hikes-rba-labor

Link

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Date: 15/06/2023 19:08:51
From: dv
ID: 2043786
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Senator David Van has been suspended from the parliamentary Liberal Party following sexual harrassment and assault allegations

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Date: 16/06/2023 17:25:59
From: dv
ID: 2044052
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peter Dutton has urged David Van to resign from parliament.

Credit where credit is due, I’ll give Dutton a nod of approval for not messing around on this.

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Date: 16/06/2023 17:30:28
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2044055
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Peter Dutton has urged David Van to resign from parliament.

Credit where credit is due, I’ll give Dutton a nod of approval for not messing around on this.

Who should he urge next? The list of deadweight in the Liberal party is long.

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Date: 16/06/2023 19:16:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2044105
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

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Date: 16/06/2023 19:20:17
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2044108
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2023/06/16/russia-canberra-embassy/

Link

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Date: 16/06/2023 19:20:49
From: Michael V
ID: 2044109
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Bugger.

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Date: 16/06/2023 19:44:10
From: Woodie
ID: 2044112
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Revised, huh? So it’s gunna go down the mountain instead of up?

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Date: 16/06/2023 19:46:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2044114
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Start in the ‘northern suburbs’? Where exactly?

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Date: 16/06/2023 20:00:22
From: Woodie
ID: 2044116
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

Start in the ‘northern suburbs’? Where exactly?

Up the back of the mountain? She’ll be comin’ round the mountain?

It’s still a bloody chairlift doesn’t matter where ya put it.

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Date: 16/06/2023 20:05:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2044118
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

Start in the ‘northern suburbs’? Where exactly?

tolosa park glenorchy.

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Date: 16/06/2023 20:07:37
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2044119
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Start in the ‘northern suburbs’? Where exactly?

tolosa park glenorchy.

Ta.

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Date: 16/06/2023 20:12:34
From: party_pants
ID: 2044120
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

Start in the ‘northern suburbs’? Where exactly?

They need to tunnel up inside the mountain and install a lift to the top.

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Date: 16/06/2023 20:12:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2044121
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Start in the ‘northern suburbs’? Where exactly?

tolosa park glenorchy.

Ta.

the things i don’t do for you!

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Date: 16/06/2023 20:21:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2044123
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

Start in the ‘northern suburbs’? Where exactly?

They need to tunnel up inside the mountain and install a lift to the top.

And then you could turn the existing road into a slide back to Ferntree.

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Date: 17/06/2023 18:48:53
From: buffy
ID: 2044301
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

And…the opposition is down a Senator.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-17/senator-david-van-resigns-from-liberal-party/102492092

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Date: 17/06/2023 18:57:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2044302
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


And…the opposition is down a Senator.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-17/senator-david-van-resigns-from-liberal-party/102492092

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Date: 17/06/2023 19:10:32
From: party_pants
ID: 2044305
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


And…the opposition is down a Senator.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-17/senator-david-van-resigns-from-liberal-party/102492092

What a massive back-fire. The opposition thought it would be a good way to attack an ALP senator over the Brittany Hughes affair, ended up being all about David Van instead, to the point where he’s had to resign. This all came up in debate over the opposition’s motion against the ALP senator.

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Date: 17/06/2023 19:12:16
From: Michael V
ID: 2044306
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

ChrispenEvan said:


buffy said:

And…the opposition is down a Senator.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-17/senator-david-van-resigns-from-liberal-party/102492092


LOL

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Date: 17/06/2023 19:23:36
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2044309
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

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Date: 17/06/2023 19:29:04
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2044310
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

buffy said:

And…the opposition is down a Senator.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-17/senator-david-van-resigns-from-liberal-party/102492092


LOL

+1

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Date: 17/06/2023 19:34:10
From: dv
ID: 2044314
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


And…the opposition is down a Senator.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-17/senator-david-van-resigns-from-liberal-party/102492092

They get to replace him quickly.

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Date: 18/06/2023 04:17:38
From: dv
ID: 2044365
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Seems like they are planning the referendum for November or December.

Maybe it would be better to stick it in a drawer if the polls stay bad. A No result would be pretty demoralising and there probably wouldn’t be a second dig for decades. Maybe there’ll be a change in leadership in the Libs.

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Date: 19/06/2023 09:38:47
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2044730
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Rumour has it than Dan Andrews may be about to retire: I won’t be sad to see him go.

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Date: 19/06/2023 10:45:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2044767
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Rumour has it than Dan Andrews may be about to retire: I won’t be sad to see him go.

What’s with all these young politicians from our part of the world resigning?

Why can’t they be like the Merkins, who know that you don’t reach peak wisdom until 80.

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Date: 19/06/2023 10:47:56
From: dv
ID: 2044768
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Rumour has it than Dan Andrews may be about to retire: I won’t be sad to see him go.

What’s with all these young politicians from our part of the world resigning?

Why can’t they be like the Merkins, who know that you don’t reach peak wisdom until 80.

I can relate to it. Get out while you’re on top, go get a proper job while you’re legacy is intact.
And boy howdy is he on top. Recent polls have Victorian Labor ahead 63-37.

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Date: 19/06/2023 11:03:47
From: dv
ID: 2044779
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Rumour has it than Dan Andrews may be about to retire: I won’t be sad to see him go.

What’s with all these young politicians from our part of the world resigning?

Why can’t they be like the Merkins, who know that you don’t reach peak wisdom until 80.

I can relate to it. Get out while you’re on top, go get a proper job while you’re legacy is intact.
And boy howdy is he on top. Recent polls have Victorian Labor ahead 63-37.

I’m not sure whether Annastacia Palaszczuk will go for a fourth dig.
Polling has not been spectacular. She’s 8% ahead of Crisafuli in the preferred premier but ALP’s more or less level pegging in the 2PP. Then again, the last three elections have all been pretty close in the polls and AP has led ALP over the line.

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Date: 19/06/2023 11:32:54
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2044788
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What’s with all these young politicians from our part of the world resigning?

Why can’t they be like the Merkins, who know that you don’t reach peak wisdom until 80.

I can relate to it. Get out while you’re on top, go get a proper job while you’re legacy is intact.
And boy howdy is he on top. Recent polls have Victorian Labor ahead 63-37.

I’m not sure whether Annastacia Palaszczuk will go for a fourth dig.
Polling has not been spectacular. She’s 8% ahead of Crisafuli in the preferred premier but ALP’s more or less level pegging in the 2PP. Then again, the last three elections have all been pretty close in the polls and AP has led ALP over the line.

I hope the ALP wins, the last LNP government was by far the worst we’ve ever suffered and it’s very likely that they’ve learned absolutely nothing in their time in opposition.

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Date: 19/06/2023 12:21:11
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2044805
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Spiny Norman said:


…and it’s very likely that they’ve learned absolutely nothing in their time in opposition.

They’ll have been using their time wisely, lining up the under-the-counter deals and the kickbacks, ready to begin the corruption from Day1.

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Date: 19/06/2023 12:25:48
From: buffy
ID: 2044811
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The referendum is on.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-19/senate-voice-vote-referendum/102495138

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Date: 19/06/2023 12:35:03
From: buffy
ID: 2044814
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


The referendum is on.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-19/senate-voice-vote-referendum/102495138

From that article:

“The senators voting against the legislation were from the Nationals, One Nation, crossbenchers Lidia Thorpe and Ralph Babet and nine Liberals. “

I looked it up, I think there are 24 Liberal Senators. So fewer than half of them voted against the Legislation. I guess some may have abstained.

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Date: 19/06/2023 14:00:53
From: dv
ID: 2044873
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


buffy said:

The referendum is on.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-19/senate-voice-vote-referendum/102495138

From that article:

“The senators voting against the legislation were from the Nationals, One Nation, crossbenchers Lidia Thorpe and Ralph Babet and nine Liberals. “

I looked it up, I think there are 24 Liberal Senators. So fewer than half of them voted against the Legislation. I guess some may have abstained.

Surprised that Cash crossed the floor to vote Aye.

I suppose voting to hold the referendum isn’t the same as supporting the referendum but we’ll see how things play out.

By my mark, this is how it broke down…


AYES NOES ABSTAIN ABSENT TOTAL
Labor 25 0 0 1 26
Greens 11 0 0 0 11
Liberals inc LNP 13 9 1 2 25
Nationals inc LNP 0 5 0 0 5
Country Liberals 0 1 0 0 1
ONP 0 2 0 0 2
UAP 0 1 0 0 1
Lambie 2 0 0 0 2
Ind 1 1 0 1 3
TOTAL 52 19 1 4 76

Labor’s Pat Dodson was absent for medical reasons. Newly-independent David Van was absent as he has some urgent things to take care of. Liberals Andrew McLachlan and James Paterson were also absent.

Liberal Richard Colbeck abstained.

The Liberals who voted Aye were: Askew, Birmingham, Bragg, Cash, Duniam, Henderson, Hughes, Hume, Kovacic, Liddle, Payne, Reynolds, Ruston.
The Liberals who voted No were: Antic, Brockman, Chandler, Fawcett, O’Sullivan, McGrath, Rennick, Scarr.

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Date: 19/06/2023 14:19:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2044877
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

The referendum is on.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-19/senate-voice-vote-referendum/102495138

From that article:

“The senators voting against the legislation were from the Nationals, One Nation, crossbenchers Lidia Thorpe and Ralph Babet and nine Liberals. “

I looked it up, I think there are 24 Liberal Senators. So fewer than half of them voted against the Legislation. I guess some may have abstained.

Surprised that Cash crossed the floor to vote Aye.

I suppose voting to hold the referendum isn’t the same as supporting the referendum but we’ll see how things play out.

By my mark, this is how it broke down…


AYES NOES ABSTAIN ABSENT TOTAL
Labor 25 0 0 1 26
Greens 11 0 0 0 11
Liberals inc LNP 13 9 1 2 25
Nationals inc LNP 0 5 0 0 5
Country Liberals 0 1 0 0 1
ONP 0 2 0 0 2
UAP 0 1 0 0 1
Lambie 2 0 0 0 2
Ind 1 1 0 1 3
TOTAL 52 19 1 4 76

Labor’s Pat Dodson was absent for medical reasons. Newly-independent David Van was absent as he has some urgent things to take care of. Liberals Andrew McLachlan and James Paterson were also absent.

Liberal Richard Colbeck abstained.

The Liberals who voted Aye were: Askew, Birmingham, Bragg, Cash, Duniam, Henderson, Hughes, Hume, Kovacic, Liddle, Payne, Reynolds, Ruston.
The Liberals who voted No were: Antic, Brockman, Chandler, Fawcett, O’Sullivan, McGrath, Rennick, Scarr.

The Borg voted as predicted.
The coalition voted as the broad church they are, very refreshing.

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Date: 19/06/2023 14:30:57
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2044880
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


dv said:

buffy said:

From that article:

“The senators voting against the legislation were from the Nationals, One Nation, crossbenchers Lidia Thorpe and Ralph Babet and nine Liberals. “

I looked it up, I think there are 24 Liberal Senators. So fewer than half of them voted against the Legislation. I guess some may have abstained.

Surprised that Cash crossed the floor to vote Aye.

I suppose voting to hold the referendum isn’t the same as supporting the referendum but we’ll see how things play out.

By my mark, this is how it broke down…


AYES NOES ABSTAIN ABSENT TOTAL
Labor 25 0 0 1 26
Greens 11 0 0 0 11
Liberals inc LNP 13 9 1 2 25
Nationals inc LNP 0 5 0 0 5
Country Liberals 0 1 0 0 1
ONP 0 2 0 0 2
UAP 0 1 0 0 1
Lambie 2 0 0 0 2
Ind 1 1 0 1 3
TOTAL 52 19 1 4 76

Labor’s Pat Dodson was absent for medical reasons. Newly-independent David Van was absent as he has some urgent things to take care of. Liberals Andrew McLachlan and James Paterson were also absent.

Liberal Richard Colbeck abstained.

The Liberals who voted Aye were: Askew, Birmingham, Bragg, Cash, Duniam, Henderson, Hughes, Hume, Kovacic, Liddle, Payne, Reynolds, Ruston.
The Liberals who voted No were: Antic, Brockman, Chandler, Fawcett, O’Sullivan, McGrath, Rennick, Scarr.

The Borg voted as predicted.
The coalition voted as the broad church they are, very refreshing.

You know you really sound like a fucking moron when you say shit like that. Do you want the ALP leadership or MPs to break an election promise?

Labor policy is discussed, voted on and endorsed at state and federal conferences where the democratically elected representatives voted in by the entire party membership formulate policy alongside union delegates voted in by millions of workers.

The LIberal Party on the other hand doesn’t have an grassroots democracy formulating policy and instead have only appointed state delegates and MPs making hierarchy decisions which MPs can only disagree with on the floor of parliament. The Libs just had a federal council with nil representation of the party membership.

I suppose it pleases you that the hoi polloi make no contribution to policy lest the Coalition propose anything progressive but it’s stupid to think that the Liberals having 200 people deciding party policy versus over 50,000 ALP members and millions of unionists is in any way superior .

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Date: 19/06/2023 14:48:01
From: dv
ID: 2044884
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

All of the NSW and Vic Liberals voted Aye.
All of the Qld Libs voted No.

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Date: 19/06/2023 14:49:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2044886
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Surprised that Cash crossed the floor to vote Aye.

I suppose voting to hold the referendum isn’t the same as supporting the referendum but we’ll see how things play out.

By my mark, this is how it broke down…


AYES NOES ABSTAIN ABSENT TOTAL
Labor 25 0 0 1 26
Greens 11 0 0 0 11
Liberals inc LNP 13 9 1 2 25
Nationals inc LNP 0 5 0 0 5
Country Liberals 0 1 0 0 1
ONP 0 2 0 0 2
UAP 0 1 0 0 1
Lambie 2 0 0 0 2
Ind 1 1 0 1 3
TOTAL 52 19 1 4 76

Labor’s Pat Dodson was absent for medical reasons. Newly-independent David Van was absent as he has some urgent things to take care of. Liberals Andrew McLachlan and James Paterson were also absent.

Liberal Richard Colbeck abstained.

The Liberals who voted Aye were: Askew, Birmingham, Bragg, Cash, Duniam, Henderson, Hughes, Hume, Kovacic, Liddle, Payne, Reynolds, Ruston.
The Liberals who voted No were: Antic, Brockman, Chandler, Fawcett, O’Sullivan, McGrath, Rennick, Scarr.

The Borg voted as predicted.
The coalition voted as the broad church they are, very refreshing.

You know you really sound like a fucking moron when you say shit like that. Do you want the ALP leadership or MPs to break an election promise?

Labor policy is discussed, voted on and endorsed at state and federal conferences where the democratically elected representatives voted in by the entire party membership formulate policy alongside union delegates voted in by millions of workers.

The LIberal Party on the other hand doesn’t have an grassroots democracy formulating policy and instead have only appointed state delegates and MPs making hierarchy decisions which MPs can only disagree with on the floor of parliament. The Libs just had a federal council with nil representation of the party membership.

I suppose it pleases you that the hoi polloi make no contribution to policy lest the Coalition propose anything progressive but it’s stupid to think that the Liberals having 200 people deciding party policy versus over 50,000 ALP members and millions of unionists is in any way superior .

It reminds me of the Republic debate the two top coalition representatives, Howard and Costello , argued on opposing sides, very refreshing.
The Borg on the other hand….

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Date: 19/06/2023 14:52:54
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2044889
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

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Date: 19/06/2023 14:56:49
From: dv
ID: 2044891
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it, knowmsayin?

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Date: 19/06/2023 15:00:03
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2044894
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Borg voted as predicted.
The coalition voted as the broad church they are, very refreshing.

You know you really sound like a fucking moron when you say shit like that. Do you want the ALP leadership or MPs to break an election promise?

Labor policy is discussed, voted on and endorsed at state and federal conferences where the democratically elected representatives voted in by the entire party membership formulate policy alongside union delegates voted in by millions of workers.

The LIberal Party on the other hand doesn’t have an grassroots democracy formulating policy and instead have only appointed state delegates and MPs making hierarchy decisions which MPs can only disagree with on the floor of parliament. The Libs just had a federal council with nil representation of the party membership.

I suppose it pleases you that the hoi polloi make no contribution to policy lest the Coalition propose anything progressive but it’s stupid to think that the Liberals having 200 people deciding party policy versus over 50,000 ALP members and millions of unionists is in any way superior .

It reminds me of the Republic debate the two top coalition representatives, Howard and Costello , argued on opposing sides, very refreshing.
The Borg on the other hand….

Does it remind you of Penny Wong voting against same-sex marriage while the ALP platform had not yet been changed and instead was an advocate for it in the wider party, at state and federal conference and in the party-room and was able to bring the position to the fore and lead Australia forward to a fairer and more humanist place?

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Date: 19/06/2023 15:09:16
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2044897
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Spiny Norman said:



Sums up Dutton’s position nicely.

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Date: 19/06/2023 15:14:43
From: Woodie
ID: 2044900
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Peak Warming Man said:

The Borg voted as predicted.
The coalition voted as the broad church they are, very refreshing.

Well if the coalition are gunna do that, Mr Man, then how do you know what you’re gunna get if you vote for them?

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Date: 19/06/2023 15:31:05
From: buffy
ID: 2044907
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


buffy said:

buffy said:

The referendum is on.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-19/senate-voice-vote-referendum/102495138

From that article:

“The senators voting against the legislation were from the Nationals, One Nation, crossbenchers Lidia Thorpe and Ralph Babet and nine Liberals. “

I looked it up, I think there are 24 Liberal Senators. So fewer than half of them voted against the Legislation. I guess some may have abstained.

Surprised that Cash crossed the floor to vote Aye.

I suppose voting to hold the referendum isn’t the same as supporting the referendum but we’ll see how things play out.

By my mark, this is how it broke down…


AYES NOES ABSTAIN ABSENT TOTAL
Labor 25 0 0 1 26
Greens 11 0 0 0 11
Liberals inc LNP 13 9 1 2 25
Nationals inc LNP 0 5 0 0 5
Country Liberals 0 1 0 0 1
ONP 0 2 0 0 2
UAP 0 1 0 0 1
Lambie 2 0 0 0 2
Ind 1 1 0 1 3
TOTAL 52 19 1 4 76

Labor’s Pat Dodson was absent for medical reasons. Newly-independent David Van was absent as he has some urgent things to take care of. Liberals Andrew McLachlan and James Paterson were also absent.

Liberal Richard Colbeck abstained.

The Liberals who voted Aye were: Askew, Birmingham, Bragg, Cash, Duniam, Henderson, Hughes, Hume, Kovacic, Liddle, Payne, Reynolds, Ruston.
The Liberals who voted No were: Antic, Brockman, Chandler, Fawcett, O’Sullivan, McGrath, Rennick, Scarr.

Thanks for that dv.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:00:01
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2044923
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Someone on the cesspool that is Reddit said they will be voting No on the referendum because they “don’t support any change to Constitutional laws”.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:03:37
From: dv
ID: 2044925
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


Someone on the cesspool that is Reddit said they will be voting No on the referendum because they “don’t support any change to Constitutional laws”.

Why though?

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:06:31
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2044927
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Divine Angel said:

Someone on the cesspool that is Reddit said they will be voting No on the referendum because they “don’t support any change to Constitutional laws”.

Why though?

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:07:55
From: dv
ID: 2044929
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Divine Angel said:


dv said:

Divine Angel said:

Someone on the cesspool that is Reddit said they will be voting No on the referendum because they “don’t support any change to Constitutional laws”.

Why though?

I mean can you tell him the Constitution has been amended several times already?

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:10:10
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2044932
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Why though?

I mean can you tell him the Constitution has been amended several times already?

Someone has.


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Date: 19/06/2023 16:13:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2044933
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Why though?

I mean can you tell him the Constitution has been amended several times already?

And that the constitution came with the mechanisms for change.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:21:01
From: Cymek
ID: 2044936
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

It’s a strange way to think like society hasn’t/won’t change in the intervening centuries since it was created/written.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:22:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2044937
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Divine Angel said:

I mean can you tell him the Constitution has been amended several times already?

And that the constitution came with the mechanisms for change.

Doesn’t look like I missed much.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:25:57
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2044940
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Cymek said:

It’s a strange way to think like society hasn’t/won’t change in the intervening centuries since it was created/written.

Yes, some people don’t like change, change changes their comfort zone.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:27:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 2044942
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

It’s a strange way to think like society hasn’t/won’t change in the intervening centuries since it was created/written.

Yes, some people don’t like change, change changes their comfort zone.

More like most people. Because if it was only some, then things would have changed fifty years ago when I did.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:31:31
From: Divine Angel
ID: 2044945
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Cymek said:

It’s a strange way to think like society hasn’t/won’t change in the intervening centuries since it was created/written.

Exhibit A: The Bible

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Date: 20/06/2023 14:22:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2045352
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Justice System Reform for Tasmania
Geraldine Allan · 6 h ·
THE AUSTRALIAN
EXCLUSIVE
Entsch’s wife got $200k in Indigenous funding
The non-Indigenous wife of MP Warren Entsch got a grant from the Morrison government’s Indigenous Languages and Arts program to teach pottery.
By SARAH ELKS, MICHAEL MCKENNA
——

Anyone got that story?

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Date: 20/06/2023 14:30:57
From: Michael V
ID: 2045355
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Justice System Reform for Tasmania
Geraldine Allan · 6 h ·
THE AUSTRALIAN
EXCLUSIVE
Entsch’s wife got $200k in Indigenous funding
The non-Indigenous wife of MP Warren Entsch got a grant from the Morrison government’s Indigenous Languages and Arts program to teach pottery.
By SARAH ELKS, MICHAEL MCKENNA
——

Anyone got that story?

I suppose somebody has, but it’s not me.

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Date: 20/06/2023 14:47:58
From: dv
ID: 2045361
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Justice System Reform for Tasmania
Geraldine Allan · 6 h ·
THE AUSTRALIAN
EXCLUSIVE
Entsch’s wife got $200k in Indigenous funding
The non-Indigenous wife of MP Warren Entsch got a grant from the Morrison government’s Indigenous Languages and Arts program to teach pottery.
By SARAH ELKS, MICHAEL MCKENNA
——

Anyone got that story?

I suppose somebody has, but it’s not me.

12ft just ain’t doing it for me lately, and since I’ll never let any of my money go to the filth, I guess I’ll have to wait.

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Date: 20/06/2023 14:54:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2045365
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Justice System Reform for Tasmania
Geraldine Allan · 6 h ·
THE AUSTRALIAN
EXCLUSIVE
Entsch’s wife got $200k in Indigenous funding
The non-Indigenous wife of MP Warren Entsch got a grant from the Morrison government’s Indigenous Languages and Arts program to teach pottery.
By SARAH ELKS, MICHAEL MCKENNA
——

Anyone got that story?

I suppose somebody has, but it’s not me.

12ft just ain’t doing it for me lately, and since I’ll never let any of my money go to the filth, I guess I’ll have to wait.

me too.

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Date: 20/06/2023 14:58:43
From: Woodie
ID: 2045367
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


sarahs mum said:

Justice System Reform for Tasmania
Geraldine Allan · 6 h ·
THE AUSTRALIAN
EXCLUSIVE
Entsch’s wife got $200k in Indigenous funding
The non-Indigenous wife of MP Warren Entsch got a grant from the Morrison government’s Indigenous Languages and Arts program to teach pottery.
By SARAH ELKS, MICHAEL MCKENNA
——

Anyone got that story?

I suppose somebody has, but it’s not me.

Try the front page poster for today’s The Australian at your local newsagent. That’s where I saw it.

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Date: 20/06/2023 16:16:39
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2045437
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Government seeking advice on double dissolution election
Phillip Coorey

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The Albanese government is seeking constitutional advice over whether the Greens’ continual refusal to allow a debate on the $10 billion social housing fund is grounds for a double dissolution election.

After the Greens and the Coalition teamed up in the Senate on Monday to defer debating and voting on the bill until October 16, Anthony Albanese told Caucus the action may constitute the first half of a trigger for an early, full Senate election.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the Greens are being juvenile. Alex Ellinghausen

“The Greens are bringing a juvenile, student politics approach which needs to be exposed,” he said of the party’s refusal to back the Housing Australia Future Fund despite numerous concessions.

“Continually deferring a bill can be taken as a block, and we are seeking advice on that.”

The Greens are demanding the government enact a national rent freeze before considering the bill, but Albanese said that was not only untenable but would result in less supply and make the problem worse.

A double dissolution trigger is gained when the Senate fails to pass a bill twice with a minimum of three months in between.

A double dissolution is a full Senate election that must be held more than six months before the expiry date of the House of Representatives.

At the very latest, that would be March 29, 2025, but the government could go much earlier if it wished. The earliest it could hold a half-Senate election would be August 3, 2024.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-ploughs-500m-more-into-critical-minerals-processing-20230620-p5dhup

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Date: 20/06/2023 16:21:34
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2045440
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Government seeking advice on double dissolution election
Phillip Coorey

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The Albanese government is seeking constitutional advice over whether the Greens’ continual refusal to allow a debate on the $10 billion social housing fund is grounds for a double dissolution election.

After the Greens and the Coalition teamed up in the Senate on Monday to defer debating and voting on the bill until October 16, Anthony Albanese told Caucus the action may constitute the first half of a trigger for an early, full Senate election.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the Greens are being juvenile. Alex Ellinghausen

“The Greens are bringing a juvenile, student politics approach which needs to be exposed,” he said of the party’s refusal to back the Housing Australia Future Fund despite numerous concessions.

“Continually deferring a bill can be taken as a block, and we are seeking advice on that.”

The Greens are demanding the government enact a national rent freeze before considering the bill, but Albanese said that was not only untenable but would result in less supply and make the problem worse.

A double dissolution trigger is gained when the Senate fails to pass a bill twice with a minimum of three months in between.

A double dissolution is a full Senate election that must be held more than six months before the expiry date of the House of Representatives.

At the very latest, that would be March 29, 2025, but the government could go much earlier if it wished. The earliest it could hold a half-Senate election would be August 3, 2024.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-ploughs-500m-more-into-critical-minerals-processing-20230620-p5dhup

honestly fuck The Greens… they are the actual cause of the political climate wars in this country and are looking to weaponise housing in the same way

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Date: 20/06/2023 16:21:36
From: dv
ID: 2045441
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


Government seeking advice on double dissolution election
Phillip Coorey

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The Albanese government is seeking constitutional advice over whether the Greens’ continual refusal to allow a debate on the $10 billion social housing fund is grounds for a double dissolution election.

After the Greens and the Coalition teamed up in the Senate on Monday to defer debating and voting on the bill until October 16, Anthony Albanese told Caucus the action may constitute the first half of a trigger for an early, full Senate election.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the Greens are being juvenile. Alex Ellinghausen

“The Greens are bringing a juvenile, student politics approach which needs to be exposed,” he said of the party’s refusal to back the Housing Australia Future Fund despite numerous concessions.

“Continually deferring a bill can be taken as a block, and we are seeking advice on that.”

The Greens are demanding the government enact a national rent freeze before considering the bill, but Albanese said that was not only untenable but would result in less supply and make the problem worse.

A double dissolution trigger is gained when the Senate fails to pass a bill twice with a minimum of three months in between.

A double dissolution is a full Senate election that must be held more than six months before the expiry date of the House of Representatives.

At the very latest, that would be March 29, 2025, but the government could go much earlier if it wished. The earliest it could hold a half-Senate election would be August 3, 2024.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-ploughs-500m-more-into-critical-minerals-processing-20230620-p5dhup

My gut tells me this would be a bad move

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Date: 20/06/2023 16:23:17
From: The-Spectator
ID: 2045442
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

diddly-squat said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Government seeking advice on double dissolution election
Phillip Coorey

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The Albanese government is seeking constitutional advice over whether the Greens’ continual refusal to allow a debate on the $10 billion social housing fund is grounds for a double dissolution election.

After the Greens and the Coalition teamed up in the Senate on Monday to defer debating and voting on the bill until October 16, Anthony Albanese told Caucus the action may constitute the first half of a trigger for an early, full Senate election.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the Greens are being juvenile. Alex Ellinghausen

“The Greens are bringing a juvenile, student politics approach which needs to be exposed,” he said of the party’s refusal to back the Housing Australia Future Fund despite numerous concessions.

“Continually deferring a bill can be taken as a block, and we are seeking advice on that.”

The Greens are demanding the government enact a national rent freeze before considering the bill, but Albanese said that was not only untenable but would result in less supply and make the problem worse.

A double dissolution trigger is gained when the Senate fails to pass a bill twice with a minimum of three months in between.

A double dissolution is a full Senate election that must be held more than six months before the expiry date of the House of Representatives.

At the very latest, that would be March 29, 2025, but the government could go much earlier if it wished. The earliest it could hold a half-Senate election would be August 3, 2024.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-ploughs-500m-more-into-critical-minerals-processing-20230620-p5dhup

honestly fuck The Greens… they are the actual cause of the political climate wars in this country and are looking to weaponise housing in the same way

Liberals all the way my fellow conservative

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Date: 20/06/2023 16:25:06
From: dv
ID: 2045444
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

diddly-squat said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Government seeking advice on double dissolution election
Phillip Coorey

Share post
The Albanese government is seeking constitutional advice over whether the Greens’ continual refusal to allow a debate on the $10 billion social housing fund is grounds for a double dissolution election.

After the Greens and the Coalition teamed up in the Senate on Monday to defer debating and voting on the bill until October 16, Anthony Albanese told Caucus the action may constitute the first half of a trigger for an early, full Senate election.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the Greens are being juvenile. Alex Ellinghausen

“The Greens are bringing a juvenile, student politics approach which needs to be exposed,” he said of the party’s refusal to back the Housing Australia Future Fund despite numerous concessions.

“Continually deferring a bill can be taken as a block, and we are seeking advice on that.”

The Greens are demanding the government enact a national rent freeze before considering the bill, but Albanese said that was not only untenable but would result in less supply and make the problem worse.

A double dissolution trigger is gained when the Senate fails to pass a bill twice with a minimum of three months in between.

A double dissolution is a full Senate election that must be held more than six months before the expiry date of the House of Representatives.

At the very latest, that would be March 29, 2025, but the government could go much earlier if it wished. The earliest it could hold a half-Senate election would be August 3, 2024.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-ploughs-500m-more-into-critical-minerals-processing-20230620-p5dhup

honestly fuck The Greens… they are the actual cause of the political climate wars in this country and are looking to weaponise housing in the same way

Van Badham had a big spew this morning

https://theconversation.com/governments-housing-fund-legislation-delayed-by-greens-coalition-alliance-208016

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Date: 20/06/2023 16:34:14
From: roughbarked
ID: 2045447
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Government seeking advice on double dissolution election
Phillip Coorey

Share post
The Albanese government is seeking constitutional advice over whether the Greens’ continual refusal to allow a debate on the $10 billion social housing fund is grounds for a double dissolution election.

After the Greens and the Coalition teamed up in the Senate on Monday to defer debating and voting on the bill until October 16, Anthony Albanese told Caucus the action may constitute the first half of a trigger for an early, full Senate election.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says the Greens are being juvenile. Alex Ellinghausen

“The Greens are bringing a juvenile, student politics approach which needs to be exposed,” he said of the party’s refusal to back the Housing Australia Future Fund despite numerous concessions.

“Continually deferring a bill can be taken as a block, and we are seeking advice on that.”

The Greens are demanding the government enact a national rent freeze before considering the bill, but Albanese said that was not only untenable but would result in less supply and make the problem worse.

A double dissolution trigger is gained when the Senate fails to pass a bill twice with a minimum of three months in between.

A double dissolution is a full Senate election that must be held more than six months before the expiry date of the House of Representatives.

At the very latest, that would be March 29, 2025, but the government could go much earlier if it wished. The earliest it could hold a half-Senate election would be August 3, 2024.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-ploughs-500m-more-into-critical-minerals-processing-20230620-p5dhup

My gut tells me this would be a bad move

It is never a good move.

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Date: 21/06/2023 10:06:48
From: dv
ID: 2045672
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://twitter.com/joshburnsmp/status/1670662375123603456?t=Nyxb-m1WdcH_3yC4YfOEfQ&s=19

Barnaby Joyce having a very normal day in parliament.

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Date: 21/06/2023 10:32:19
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2045678
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


https://twitter.com/joshburnsmp/status/1670662375123603456?t=Nyxb-m1WdcH_3yC4YfOEfQ&s=19

Barnaby Joyce having a very normal day in parliament.

Quote: “Your member is standing up for you” …

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Date: 21/06/2023 10:34:52
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2045679
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


https://twitter.com/joshburnsmp/status/1670662375123603456?t=Nyxb-m1WdcH_3yC4YfOEfQ&s=19

Barnaby Joyce having a very normal day in parliament.

LOL

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Date: 21/06/2023 10:46:58
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2045686
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


https://twitter.com/joshburnsmp/status/1670662375123603456?t=Nyxb-m1WdcH_3yC4YfOEfQ&s=19

Barnaby Joyce having a very normal day in parliament.

Covfefe everywhere!

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Date: 21/06/2023 10:51:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2045691
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


https://twitter.com/joshburnsmp/status/1670662375123603456?t=Nyxb-m1WdcH_3yC4YfOEfQ&s=19

Barnaby Joyce having a very normal day in parliament.

This bloke knows how Barnaby feels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebo0aLLPYwA

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Date: 21/06/2023 11:46:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2045754
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

RBA finally admits that companies are driving inflation

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/06/rba-finally-admits-that-companies-are-driving-inflation/

Interesting that companies that were competing for greater sales before this latest bout of inflation suddenly all care about margins. Dunno if this could have been predicted either and what could have been done about it besides limiting market concentration through the ACCC.

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Date: 21/06/2023 11:49:11
From: Cymek
ID: 2045756
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


RBA finally admits that companies are driving inflation

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/06/rba-finally-admits-that-companies-are-driving-inflation/

Interesting that companies that were competing for greater sales before this latest bout of inflation suddenly all care about margins. Dunno if this could have been predicted either and what could have been done about it besides limiting market concentration through the ACCC.

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Date: 21/06/2023 11:58:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2045760
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


RBA finally admits that companies are driving inflation

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/06/rba-finally-admits-that-companies-are-driving-inflation/

Interesting that companies that were competing for greater sales before this latest bout of inflation suddenly all care about margins. Dunno if this could have been predicted either and what could have been done about it besides limiting market concentration through the ACCC.

Yeah, that was in ABC News yesterday.

As i said then, it must be bad if the RBA couldn’t think of a way to somehow blame it on those idiotic slobs labelled ‘consumers’.

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Date: 21/06/2023 12:03:03
From: dv
ID: 2045766
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


RBA finally admits that companies are driving inflation

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2023/06/rba-finally-admits-that-companies-are-driving-inflation/

Interesting that companies that were competing for greater sales before this latest bout of inflation suddenly all care about margins. Dunno if this could have been predicted either and what could have been done about it besides limiting market concentration through the ACCC.

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Date: 21/06/2023 12:10:58
From: dv
ID: 2045769
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


dv said:

https://twitter.com/joshburnsmp/status/1670662375123603456?t=Nyxb-m1WdcH_3yC4YfOEfQ&s=19

Barnaby Joyce having a very normal day in parliament.

This bloke knows how Barnaby feels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebo0aLLPYwA

The nuttiest thing is that Macnamara division is way to the left of the ALP on renewable power and Labor is fighting for dear life to keep the Greens from nabbing the seat. If Barnaby thinks that he’s scaring Macnamaranians by ranting about “wind towers” then he needs to start putting more coke in his rum.

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Date: 21/06/2023 12:22:24
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2045783
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/joshburnsmp/status/1670662375123603456?t=Nyxb-m1WdcH_3yC4YfOEfQ&s=19

Barnaby Joyce having a very normal day in parliament.

This bloke knows how Barnaby feels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebo0aLLPYwA

The nuttiest thing is that Macnamara division is way to the left of the ALP on renewable power and Labor is fighting for dear life to keep the Greens from nabbing the seat. If Barnaby thinks that he’s scaring Macnamaranians by ranting about “wind towers” then he needs to start putting more coke in his rum.

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Date: 21/06/2023 12:27:45
From: dv
ID: 2045785
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

diddly-squat said:


dv said:

captain_spalding said:

This bloke knows how Barnaby feels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebo0aLLPYwA

The nuttiest thing is that Macnamara division is way to the left of the ALP on renewable power and Labor is fighting for dear life to keep the Greens from nabbing the seat. If Barnaby thinks that he’s scaring Macnamaranians by ranting about “wind towers” then he needs to start putting more coke in his rum.


Hah

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Date: 21/06/2023 12:33:50
From: dv
ID: 2045786
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023


Is that who I think it is?

Does this mf remember he still has a job representing the people of the Division of Cook? Parliament is in session.

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Date: 21/06/2023 12:40:47
From: Michael V
ID: 2045794
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:



Is that who I think it is?

Does this mf remember he still has a job representing the people of the Division of Cook? Parliament is in session.

Shonky.

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:21:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046340
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Tasmania’s pre-eminent architect, Professor Robert Morris-Nunn, who designed both hotels, said, “Hobart’s Sullivans Cove is the epicentre of Hobart’s historic precinct and everything that is designed within it has to follow strict guidelines, especially with regards to building height and overall form. It’s therefore an absolute complete travesty when the massive bulk of the new stadium is able to intrude so grossly into a very sensitive area that everyone else is working hard to respect.”

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/architects-proposed-stadium-too-big-for-mac-pt-site/

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:25:09
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046345
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Tasmania’s pre-eminent architect, Professor Robert Morris-Nunn, who designed both hotels, said, “Hobart’s Sullivans Cove is the epicentre of Hobart’s historic precinct and everything that is designed within it has to follow strict guidelines, especially with regards to building height and overall form. It’s therefore an absolute complete travesty when the massive bulk of the new stadium is able to intrude so grossly into a very sensitive area that everyone else is working hard to respect.”

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/architects-proposed-stadium-too-big-for-mac-pt-site/

I read one comment suggesting we get some of Tassie’s wonderful muralists to address the concrete greyness.

shit. I like murals…but…

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:26:13
From: dv
ID: 2046348
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


sarahs mum said:

Tasmania’s pre-eminent architect, Professor Robert Morris-Nunn, who designed both hotels, said, “Hobart’s Sullivans Cove is the epicentre of Hobart’s historic precinct and everything that is designed within it has to follow strict guidelines, especially with regards to building height and overall form. It’s therefore an absolute complete travesty when the massive bulk of the new stadium is able to intrude so grossly into a very sensitive area that everyone else is working hard to respect.”

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/architects-proposed-stadium-too-big-for-mac-pt-site/

I read one comment suggesting we get some of Tassie’s wonderful muralists to address the concrete greyness.

shit. I like murals…but…

Yeah that does look bad

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:28:03
From: Michael V
ID: 2046349
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Tasmania’s pre-eminent architect, Professor Robert Morris-Nunn, who designed both hotels, said, “Hobart’s Sullivans Cove is the epicentre of Hobart’s historic precinct and everything that is designed within it has to follow strict guidelines, especially with regards to building height and overall form. It’s therefore an absolute complete travesty when the massive bulk of the new stadium is able to intrude so grossly into a very sensitive area that everyone else is working hard to respect.”

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/architects-proposed-stadium-too-big-for-mac-pt-site/

What a horror!

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:30:12
From: Woodie
ID: 2046353
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Tasmania’s pre-eminent architect, Professor Robert Morris-Nunn, who designed both hotels, said, “Hobart’s Sullivans Cove is the epicentre of Hobart’s historic precinct and everything that is designed within it has to follow strict guidelines, especially with regards to building height and overall form. It’s therefore an absolute complete travesty when the massive bulk of the new stadium is able to intrude so grossly into a very sensitive area that everyone else is working hard to respect.”

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/architects-proposed-stadium-too-big-for-mac-pt-site/

Very poor 3D CAD made to look as ugly as possible.

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:44:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046359
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Tasmania’s pre-eminent architect, Professor Robert Morris-Nunn, who designed both hotels, said, “Hobart’s Sullivans Cove is the epicentre of Hobart’s historic precinct and everything that is designed within it has to follow strict guidelines, especially with regards to building height and overall form. It’s therefore an absolute complete travesty when the massive bulk of the new stadium is able to intrude so grossly into a very sensitive area that everyone else is working hard to respect.”

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/architects-proposed-stadium-too-big-for-mac-pt-site/

I read one comment suggesting we get some of Tassie’s wonderful muralists to address the concrete greyness.

shit. I like murals…but…

Yeah that does look bad

I’m sure the final plans would have faux columns or such.

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:49:08
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2046362
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

I read one comment suggesting we get some of Tassie’s wonderful muralists to address the concrete greyness.

shit. I like murals…but…

Yeah that does look bad

I’m sure the final plans would have faux columns or such.

Yeah make it look like the Roman colosseum. Make the arches so that people can have coffee and look out at the view.

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:51:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046363
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

I read one comment suggesting we get some of Tassie’s wonderful muralists to address the concrete greyness.

shit. I like murals…but…

Yeah that does look bad

I’m sure the final plans would have faux columns or such.

Those claiming it’s not to scale etc have plenty of opportunity to produce their own image.

Or better still, choose a less sensitive site.

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:55:45
From: Michael V
ID: 2046366
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Yeah that does look bad

I’m sure the final plans would have faux columns or such.

Yeah make it look like the Roman colosseum. Make the arches so that people can have coffee and look out at the view.

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

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Date: 22/06/2023 12:57:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046368
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m sure the final plans would have faux columns or such.

Yeah make it look like the Roman colosseum. Make the arches so that people can have coffee and look out at the view.

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Seems like the smartest move.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:01:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2046369
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m sure the final plans would have faux columns or such.

Yeah make it look like the Roman colosseum. Make the arches so that people can have coffee and look out at the view.

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:03:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046370
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yeah make it look like the Roman colosseum. Make the arches so that people can have coffee and look out at the view.

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

Then you’ve got a bigger pile of dirt to dump somewhere.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:05:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046371
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:06:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2046372
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

Then you’ve got a bigger pile of dirt to dump somewhere.

Yeah, ditch that idea.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:06:56
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046373
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

Then you’ve got a bigger pile of dirt to dump somewhere.

but it does remediate the site.

All of the site ideas stem from the costs of site remediation and how to get the feds to pay for it.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:08:41
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046374
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Put it underground.

Then you’ve got a bigger pile of dirt to dump somewhere.

but it does remediate the site.

All of the site ideas stem from the costs of site remediation and how to get the feds to pay for it.

covering the site with concrete and astroturf makes it all safer too.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:09:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046375
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Put it underground.

Then you’ve got a bigger pile of dirt to dump somewhere.

but it does remediate the site.

All of the site ideas stem from the costs of site remediation and how to get the feds to pay for it.

Well if they could use the dirt it should be fine apart from the fact that underground is a more difficult place to exert oneself. Such as in footy games. The place would have to be well aerated because the human body doesn’t enjoy rebreathing it’s expelled air.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:14:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2046377
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yeah make it look like the Roman colosseum. Make the arches so that people can have coffee and look out at the view.

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Seems like the smartest move.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:15:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2046378
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Tau.Neutrino said:


Michael V said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yeah make it look like the Roman colosseum. Make the arches so that people can have coffee and look out at the view.

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:17:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046380
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

Preferably on a raft offshore.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:23:31
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046383
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

That would certainly be my approach.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:27:49
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2046386
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Put it underground.

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

That would certainly be my approach.

You look at something like that, and wonder how many hospitals and high schools and govt.-built houses could have been had for the same money.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:32:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046390
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

one suggestion no one would dare make is to build the arena on the Domain, Like somewhere between the near Olympic pool and the tennis courts.

and then have the public open space, some residential and accommodation, continuance of arts and retail on the point.

Like..put the sport stuff together and put the old town and tourist shit together in some cohesive plan.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:35:11
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046391
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


one suggestion no one would dare make is to build the arena on the Domain, Like somewhere between the near Olympic pool and the tennis courts.

and then have the public open space, some residential and accommodation, continuance of arts and retail on the point.

Like..put the sport stuff together and put the old town and tourist shit together in some cohesive plan.

Yes, it’s a bit ridiculous. Must be plenty of places to build a stadium that won’t horrendously clash with its visible neighbours.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:35:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046392
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


one suggestion no one would dare make is to build the arena on the Domain, Like somewhere between the near Olympic pool and the tennis courts.

and then have the public open space, some residential and accommodation, continuance of arts and retail on the point.

Like..put the sport stuff together and put the old town and tourist shit together in some cohesive plan.

Which of course should have been the plan from the beginning?

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:37:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046393
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

one suggestion no one would dare make is to build the arena on the Domain, Like somewhere between the near Olympic pool and the tennis courts.

and then have the public open space, some residential and accommodation, continuance of arts and retail on the point.

Like..put the sport stuff together and put the old town and tourist shit together in some cohesive plan.

Yes, it’s a bit ridiculous. Must be plenty of places to build a stadium that won’t horrendously clash with its visible neighbours.

it would still look grotesque on the Domain. but not from as many places.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:38:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046394
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


sarahs mum said:

one suggestion no one would dare make is to build the arena on the Domain, Like somewhere between the near Olympic pool and the tennis courts.

and then have the public open space, some residential and accommodation, continuance of arts and retail on the point.

Like..put the sport stuff together and put the old town and tourist shit together in some cohesive plan.

Yes, it’s a bit ridiculous. Must be plenty of places to build a stadium that won’t horrendously clash with its visible neighbours.

Bellerive oval

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:42:57
From: Woodie
ID: 2046396
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Michael V said:

Or just don’t put the ugly monstrosity in that location.

Put it underground.

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:46:06
From: Woodie
ID: 2046397
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

one suggestion no one would dare make is to build the arena on the Domain, Like somewhere between the near Olympic pool and the tennis courts.

and then have the public open space, some residential and accommodation, continuance of arts and retail on the point.

Like..put the sport stuff together and put the old town and tourist shit together in some cohesive plan.

Yes, it’s a bit ridiculous. Must be plenty of places to build a stadium that won’t horrendously clash with its visible neighbours.

Bellerive oval

It’s a dump. The bus stops are a suburban street. Build that hell hole out to 25,000+???? You must be joking. Sell that off for affordable housing.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:47:34
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2046398
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Put it underground.

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

I still say, tell ‘em to get rooted.

Same for all big-money sports. The sun will still rise tomorrow, whether there’s a stadium or not, whether the AFL condescends to accept the facilities or not.

You want to make a business, or a professional living out of sport? Fine, go ahead, more power to you, but don’t expect taxpayers to subsidise it.

Tasmania’s health system is cracking at the seams. I got that from people who used to work in it in recent years. ‘Tasmania is a great place to live’, they’d say, ‘but God help you if you get sick’.

But, no, let’s piss a lot of money away on bread and circuses, and mostly on circuses.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:48:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046399
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Put it underground.

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

I think most Tasmanians want the state to join the AFL and I agree, it would be fun.

But it would be nice if the funding came from the private sphere that will benefit.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:52:33
From: Woodie
ID: 2046400
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

I still say, tell ‘em to get rooted.

Same for all big-money sports. The sun will still rise tomorrow, whether there’s a stadium or not, whether the AFL condescends to accept the facilities or not.

You want to make a business, or a professional living out of sport? Fine, go ahead, more power to you, but don’t expect taxpayers to subsidise it.

Tasmania’s health system is cracking at the seams. I got that from people who used to work in it in recent years. ‘Tasmania is a great place to live’, they’d say, ‘but God help you if you get sick’.

But, no, let’s piss a lot of money away on bread and circuses, and mostly on circuses.

On that argument, sell all the art galleries off, and while their at it, demolish the Sydney Opera house as well. Gov’t just spent more on renovating it that it cost in the first place. P’raps sell the opera house off for affordable housing as well. Now that’s an idea. I think that warrants a letter to the Editor, don’t you?

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:54:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046401
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

I still say, tell ‘em to get rooted.

Same for all big-money sports. The sun will still rise tomorrow, whether there’s a stadium or not, whether the AFL condescends to accept the facilities or not.

You want to make a business, or a professional living out of sport? Fine, go ahead, more power to you, but don’t expect taxpayers to subsidise it.

Tasmania’s health system is cracking at the seams. I got that from people who used to work in it in recent years. ‘Tasmania is a great place to live’, they’d say, ‘but God help you if you get sick’.

But, no, let’s piss a lot of money away on bread and circuses, and mostly on circuses.

The health system here is getting a bit scary. Nearest GP for me is now 55km away and the wait for an appointment is usually nearly a month.

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Date: 22/06/2023 13:58:44
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2046402
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

I still say, tell ‘em to get rooted.

Same for all big-money sports. The sun will still rise tomorrow, whether there’s a stadium or not, whether the AFL condescends to accept the facilities or not.

You want to make a business, or a professional living out of sport? Fine, go ahead, more power to you, but don’t expect taxpayers to subsidise it.

Tasmania’s health system is cracking at the seams. I got that from people who used to work in it in recent years. ‘Tasmania is a great place to live’, they’d say, ‘but God help you if you get sick’.

But, no, let’s piss a lot of money away on bread and circuses, and mostly on circuses.

On that argument, sell all the art galleries off, and while their at it, demolish the Sydney Opera house as well. Gov’t just spent more on renovating it that it cost in the first place. P’raps sell the opera house off for affordable housing as well. Now that’s an idea. I think that warrants a letter to the Editor, don’t you?

Ok, valid point there. But, we have a case here of a buisiness (AFL) with a $738 million dollar revenue, basically saying ‘build us a Taj Mahal, or we won’t play our game in your state, so there’.

Why should taxpayers have to present a gift of this magnitude to a business like that? What contribution to the massive cost could be expected from the AFL, who will ultimately profit from it?

What’s the difference between the AFL saying to the government ‘you should build a world-class facility for us so we can make money from it’, and me saying ‘ i want to get rich in the tiddly-winks business, you should build me a wonderful big tiddly-winks factory’?

It’s time to review the worship of sport in Australian society. It’s great, it’s something to be encouraged, but were do we draw the line at the cost it demands?

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:01:06
From: Woodie
ID: 2046403
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

I still say, tell ‘em to get rooted.

Same for all big-money sports. The sun will still rise tomorrow, whether there’s a stadium or not, whether the AFL condescends to accept the facilities or not.

You want to make a business, or a professional living out of sport? Fine, go ahead, more power to you, but don’t expect taxpayers to subsidise it.

Tasmania’s health system is cracking at the seams. I got that from people who used to work in it in recent years. ‘Tasmania is a great place to live’, they’d say, ‘but God help you if you get sick’.

But, no, let’s piss a lot of money away on bread and circuses, and mostly on circuses.

The health system here is getting a bit scary. Nearest GP for me is now 55km away and the wait for an appointment is usually nearly a month.

You’ll have to get yourself a white overcoat and a stethoscope and set yourself up in business, Parpyone. Just have Alex on speed dial is all you’d need. :)

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:07:38
From: Cymek
ID: 2046404
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

Or just tell the AFL to get rooted, if they want to be in Tasmania that badly, they can buy their own land and build their own bloody stadium.

It’s Tasmania that wants the team, Mr Spalding. The AFL has placed certain criteria of standards and facilities and capacity etc on the deal. Not some run down old footy field with a rickety fence and derelict change rooms. They have not demanded the stadium be put anywhere in particular. There will be nay sayers. There always is, usually claiming they are outraged and appalled and a lack of community consultation and a flawed feasibility study along with demands there should be more affordable housing instead.

I still say, tell ‘em to get rooted.

Same for all big-money sports. The sun will still rise tomorrow, whether there’s a stadium or not, whether the AFL condescends to accept the facilities or not.

You want to make a business, or a professional living out of sport? Fine, go ahead, more power to you, but don’t expect taxpayers to subsidise it.

Tasmania’s health system is cracking at the seams. I got that from people who used to work in it in recent years. ‘Tasmania is a great place to live’, they’d say, ‘but God help you if you get sick’.

But, no, let’s piss a lot of money away on bread and circuses, and mostly on circuses.

That does seem to be the point

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:11:48
From: Woodie
ID: 2046407
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

I still say, tell ‘em to get rooted.

Same for all big-money sports. The sun will still rise tomorrow, whether there’s a stadium or not, whether the AFL condescends to accept the facilities or not.

You want to make a business, or a professional living out of sport? Fine, go ahead, more power to you, but don’t expect taxpayers to subsidise it.

Tasmania’s health system is cracking at the seams. I got that from people who used to work in it in recent years. ‘Tasmania is a great place to live’, they’d say, ‘but God help you if you get sick’.

But, no, let’s piss a lot of money away on bread and circuses, and mostly on circuses.

On that argument, sell all the art galleries off, and while their at it, demolish the Sydney Opera house as well. Gov’t just spent more on renovating it that it cost in the first place. P’raps sell the opera house off for affordable housing as well. Now that’s an idea. I think that warrants a letter to the Editor, don’t you?

Ok, valid point there. But, we have a case here of a buisiness (AFL) with a $738 million dollar revenue, basically saying ‘build us a Taj Mahal, or we won’t play our game in your state, so there’.

———> That’s fine. It doesn’t end up happening, they don’t play there.

Why should taxpayers have to present a gift of this magnitude to a business like that? What contribution to the massive cost could be expected from the AFL, who will ultimately profit from it?

The AFL don’t and won’t own it. They’ll “rent” it for any events they have there, just like the cricket, soccer, concerts, and monster trucks.

What’s the difference between the AFL saying to the government ‘you should build a world-class facility for us so we can make money from it’, and me saying ‘ i want to get rich in the tiddly-winks business, you should build me a wonderful big tiddly-winks factory’?

——> see above.

It’s time to review the worship of sport in Australian society. It’s great, it’s something to be encouraged, but were do we draw the line at the cost it demands?

——-> go try Europe or the US and see how much money gets thrown around. Ronaldo gets $273 million a year. Buddy is lucky to get 1/273th of that.

“Jo Clay MLA will seek to amend the ACT Budget to phase out the $41 million public subsidy to the horseracing industry.”

But I see what you mean. That’s just the ACT gubbermint, and they don’t even have a race track of any note.

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:19:27
From: Cymek
ID: 2046408
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


captain_spalding said:

Woodie said:

On that argument, sell all the art galleries off, and while their at it, demolish the Sydney Opera house as well. Gov’t just spent more on renovating it that it cost in the first place. P’raps sell the opera house off for affordable housing as well. Now that’s an idea. I think that warrants a letter to the Editor, don’t you?

Ok, valid point there. But, we have a case here of a buisiness (AFL) with a $738 million dollar revenue, basically saying ‘build us a Taj Mahal, or we won’t play our game in your state, so there’.

———> That’s fine. It doesn’t end up happening, they don’t play there.

Why should taxpayers have to present a gift of this magnitude to a business like that? What contribution to the massive cost could be expected from the AFL, who will ultimately profit from it?

The AFL don’t and won’t own it. They’ll “rent” it for any events they have there, just like the cricket, soccer, concerts, and monster trucks.

What’s the difference between the AFL saying to the government ‘you should build a world-class facility for us so we can make money from it’, and me saying ‘ i want to get rich in the tiddly-winks business, you should build me a wonderful big tiddly-winks factory’?

——> see above.

It’s time to review the worship of sport in Australian society. It’s great, it’s something to be encouraged, but were do we draw the line at the cost it demands?

——-> go try Europe or the US and see how much money gets thrown around. Ronaldo gets $273 million a year. Buddy is lucky to get 1/273th of that.

“Jo Clay MLA will seek to amend the ACT Budget to phase out the $41 million public subsidy to the horseracing industry.”

But I see what you mean. That’s just the ACT gubbermint, and they don’t even have a race track of any note.

Would the population accept both state and federal governments saying no more spending on sports, the arts, festivals, celebrations, etc and instead the money is spend on health care

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:31:12
From: Woodie
ID: 2046409
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Cymek said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

Ok, valid point there. But, we have a case here of a buisiness (AFL) with a $738 million dollar revenue, basically saying ‘build us a Taj Mahal, or we won’t play our game in your state, so there’.

———> That’s fine. It doesn’t end up happening, they don’t play there.

Why should taxpayers have to present a gift of this magnitude to a business like that? What contribution to the massive cost could be expected from the AFL, who will ultimately profit from it?

The AFL don’t and won’t own it. They’ll “rent” it for any events they have there, just like the cricket, soccer, concerts, and monster trucks.

What’s the difference between the AFL saying to the government ‘you should build a world-class facility for us so we can make money from it’, and me saying ‘ i want to get rich in the tiddly-winks business, you should build me a wonderful big tiddly-winks factory’?

——> see above.

It’s time to review the worship of sport in Australian society. It’s great, it’s something to be encouraged, but were do we draw the line at the cost it demands?

——-> go try Europe or the US and see how much money gets thrown around. Ronaldo gets $273 million a year. Buddy is lucky to get 1/273th of that.

“Jo Clay MLA will seek to amend the ACT Budget to phase out the $41 million public subsidy to the horseracing industry.”

But I see what you mean. That’s just the ACT gubbermint, and they don’t even have a race track of any note.

Would the population accept both state and federal governments saying no more spending on sports, the arts, festivals, celebrations, etc and instead the money is spend on health care

……… and affordable housing. Don’t forget affordable housing. We need more affordable housing.

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:34:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2046410
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

CN’s idea to put it underground isn’t as crazy as it sounds. If you could successfully mitigate flood-risks having the playing surface beneath ground level might mitigate concerns that the super-structure would dominate the existing landscape and with smart architecture the side facing the water could perhaps be designed to fit in with the present streetscape.

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:36:04
From: Woodie
ID: 2046411
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Cymek said:


Woodie said:

captain_spalding said:

Ok, valid point there. But, we have a case here of a buisiness (AFL) with a $738 million dollar revenue, basically saying ‘build us a Taj Mahal, or we won’t play our game in your state, so there’.

———> That’s fine. It doesn’t end up happening, they don’t play there.

Why should taxpayers have to present a gift of this magnitude to a business like that? What contribution to the massive cost could be expected from the AFL, who will ultimately profit from it?

The AFL don’t and won’t own it. They’ll “rent” it for any events they have there, just like the cricket, soccer, concerts, and monster trucks.

What’s the difference between the AFL saying to the government ‘you should build a world-class facility for us so we can make money from it’, and me saying ‘ i want to get rich in the tiddly-winks business, you should build me a wonderful big tiddly-winks factory’?

——> see above.

It’s time to review the worship of sport in Australian society. It’s great, it’s something to be encouraged, but were do we draw the line at the cost it demands?

——-> go try Europe or the US and see how much money gets thrown around. Ronaldo gets $273 million a year. Buddy is lucky to get 1/273th of that.

“Jo Clay MLA will seek to amend the ACT Budget to phase out the $41 million public subsidy to the horseracing industry.”

But I see what you mean. That’s just the ACT gubbermint, and they don’t even have a race track of any note.

Would the population accept both state and federal governments saying no more spending on sports, the arts, festivals, celebrations, etc and instead the money is spend on health care

…… and there’d be no need for a Minister for Sports, Arts and Recreation, would there.. Just think what that would save.

P.S. Now that’d a be a cushy job if ever there was one.

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:37:32
From: Woodie
ID: 2046412
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


CN’s idea to put it underground isn’t as crazy as it sounds. If you could successfully mitigate flood-risks having the playing surface beneath ground level might mitigate concerns that the super-structure would dominate the existing landscape and with smart architecture the side facing the water could perhaps be designed to fit in with the present streetscape.

Could also use it as a dry dock in the off season. Now that’d be a multi purpose stadium for ya, hey what but!

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:42:59
From: Cymek
ID: 2046414
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

CN’s idea to put it underground isn’t as crazy as it sounds. If you could successfully mitigate flood-risks having the playing surface beneath ground level might mitigate concerns that the super-structure would dominate the existing landscape and with smart architecture the side facing the water could perhaps be designed to fit in with the present streetscape.

Could also use it as a dry dock in the off season. Now that’d be a multi purpose stadium for ya, hey what but!

Fall out shelter as well perhaps

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:43:30
From: Woodie
ID: 2046415
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


CN’s idea to put it underground isn’t as crazy as it sounds. If you could successfully mitigate flood-risks having the playing surface beneath ground level might mitigate concerns that the super-structure would dominate the existing landscape and with smart architecture the side facing the water could perhaps be designed to fit in with the present streetscape.

BTW, Mr Witty, most new stadiums are built partially underground. So when you walk in at outside ground level, you come into the stadium where it’s equidistant to the front rows and back rows.

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:48:05
From: Woodie
ID: 2046416
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Cymek said:


Woodie said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

CN’s idea to put it underground isn’t as crazy as it sounds. If you could successfully mitigate flood-risks having the playing surface beneath ground level might mitigate concerns that the super-structure would dominate the existing landscape and with smart architecture the side facing the water could perhaps be designed to fit in with the present streetscape.

Could also use it as a dry dock in the off season. Now that’d be a multi purpose stadium for ya, hey what but!

Fall out shelter as well perhaps

Cyclone evacuation centre. Hillsong events, Political rallies for Vlad Putin and many many others.

Methinks were getting a bit silly now.

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:49:53
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2046418
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

CN’s idea to put it underground isn’t as crazy as it sounds. If you could successfully mitigate flood-risks having the playing surface beneath ground level might mitigate concerns that the super-structure would dominate the existing landscape and with smart architecture the side facing the water could perhaps be designed to fit in with the present streetscape.

BTW, Mr Witty, most new stadiums are built partially underground. So when you walk in at outside ground level, you come into the stadium where it’s equidistant to the front rows and back rows.

Didn’t know that. The newest stadium I’m familiar with is Marvel and if I’m not getting confused by all the differing levels its carpark is below ground but the playing field is at ground level with the entry level for fans about 2 storeys up.

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Date: 22/06/2023 14:57:03
From: buffy
ID: 2046423
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Tasmania’s pre-eminent architect, Professor Robert Morris-Nunn, who designed both hotels, said, “Hobart’s Sullivans Cove is the epicentre of Hobart’s historic precinct and everything that is designed within it has to follow strict guidelines, especially with regards to building height and overall form. It’s therefore an absolute complete travesty when the massive bulk of the new stadium is able to intrude so grossly into a very sensitive area that everyone else is working hard to respect.”

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2023/06/architects-proposed-stadium-too-big-for-mac-pt-site/

Looks like the mountain moved down the hill to town…

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:02:52
From: dv
ID: 2046429
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.


I mean as long as it looks like a stadium it is going to detract from the aesthetic appeal of the waterfront.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:08:38
From: dv
ID: 2046434
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:

The health system here is getting a bit scary. Nearest GP for me is now 55km away and the wait for an appointment is usually nearly a month.

wtf

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:15:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046437
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

The health system here is getting a bit scary. Nearest GP for me is now 55km away and the wait for an appointment is usually nearly a month.

wtf

We used to have a good local health centre (with its own little hospital, mostly geriatric, which is still going) but during the first year of COVID the main GP retired and the backup GPs left as well.

Service was taken over by Northern Midlands Medical Services but they’re based in Longford, and all the GPs were visiting rather than based here. Eventually they decided is was too much hassle and now we have to visit them, in Longford or Perth. And compete with all the patients in those towns for appointments.

There have been rumours about a local GP starting up again here but it hasn’t come to anything yet.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:16:19
From: Cymek
ID: 2046440
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

The health system here is getting a bit scary. Nearest GP for me is now 55km away and the wait for an appointment is usually nearly a month.

wtf

We used to have a good local health centre (with its own little hospital, mostly geriatric, which is still going) but during the first year of COVID the main GP retired and the backup GPs left as well.

Service was taken over by Northern Midlands Medical Services but they’re based in Longford, and all the GPs were visiting rather than based here. Eventually they decided is was too much hassle and now we have to visit them, in Longford or Perth. And compete with all the patients in those towns for appointments.

There have been rumours about a local GP starting up again here but it hasn’t come to anything yet.

I assume you don’t get home visit GP’s either

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:17:03
From: Woodie
ID: 2046441
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

The health system here is getting a bit scary. Nearest GP for me is now 55km away and the wait for an appointment is usually nearly a month.

wtf

They’ve all moved to the Gold Coast, Paryone. Set up a nice little cushy practice dishing out heart pills and valium to the barely alive, and most importantly, there’s no riff raff.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:17:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046442
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Cymek said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

wtf

We used to have a good local health centre (with its own little hospital, mostly geriatric, which is still going) but during the first year of COVID the main GP retired and the backup GPs left as well.

Service was taken over by Northern Midlands Medical Services but they’re based in Longford, and all the GPs were visiting rather than based here. Eventually they decided is was too much hassle and now we have to visit them, in Longford or Perth. And compete with all the patients in those towns for appointments.

There have been rumours about a local GP starting up again here but it hasn’t come to anything yet.

I assume you don’t get home visit GP’s either

Haha, no.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:27:08
From: dv
ID: 2046446
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:30:27
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2046448
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.


Is there any reason why this stadium should be in a historic area right on the waterfront?

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:31:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046449
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.


Is there any reason why this stadium should be in a historic area right on the waterfront?

No sensible reason, no.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:34:08
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046450
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

na. that’s FA.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:34:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046451
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.


Is there any reason why this stadium should be in a historic area right on the waterfront?

i love you.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:34:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046452
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

na. that’s FA.

Hell on Earth.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:35:07
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046453
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.


Is there any reason why this stadium should be in a historic area right on the waterfront?

No sensible reason, no.

melbourne does it.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:38:12
From: dv
ID: 2046457
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

na. that’s FA.

FA?

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:39:57
From: Woodie
ID: 2046459
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.


Is there any reason why this stadium should be in a historic area right on the waterfront?

The land there currently is mostly derelict and contaminated. That’s what they do with derelict areas like that Build stuff on it.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:40:39
From: Tamb
ID: 2046460
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

na. that’s FA.

FA?


Factual Anomaly?

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:41:12
From: Woodie
ID: 2046461
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

I should point out that is a 55,000 seat stadium. The one proposed is less than half that size.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:41:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046463
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

land swap deal. Put the arena up with the tennis courts on the domain. Put in a park on Mac point with endemic plants sourced from the Domain.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:41:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046464
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

na. that’s FA.

FA?

Fucking awful.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:43:57
From: Woodie
ID: 2046466
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


land swap deal. Put the arena up with the tennis courts on the domain. Put in a park on Mac point with endemic plants sourced from the Domain.

Wah….. destroy beautiful already establish parklands, instead of utilizing and cleaning up a derelict contaminated dump?

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:48:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2046468
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

More PwC stuff. Doesn’t look good…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-22/afp-commissioner-conflict-of-interest-mick-fuller/102508958

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:48:10
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046469
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


sarahs mum said:

land swap deal. Put the arena up with the tennis courts on the domain. Put in a park on Mac point with endemic plants sourced from the Domain.

Wah….. destroy beautiful already establish parklands, instead of utilizing and cleaning up a derelict contaminated dump?

the point still gets remediated.

the biggest problem is that the Domain holds a certain psychological value for the commons in our collectives.

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Date: 22/06/2023 15:54:21
From: dv
ID: 2046470
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

The government in its documents uses the Melbourne Marvel (Docklands) Stadium as its key reference.

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

I should point out that is a 55,000 seat stadium. The one proposed is less than half that size.

BTAIM, the govt’s own published concept designs appear to be of a similar height as the Domain.

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:00:30
From: dv
ID: 2046472
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

I suppose they could use a sloping design so its profile is low in the direction of the waterfront, so that the only ones looking at the big bum will be Rosny snobs.

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:04:04
From: Woodie
ID: 2046473
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Woodie said:

dv said:

Okay, allowing for its height, that would give something like this, which does look a bit better than the grey cylinder in the other pic.

I should point out that is a 55,000 seat stadium. The one proposed is less than half that size.

BTAIM, the govt’s own published concept designs appear to be of a similar height as the Domain.


Pick the biggest one, Mr Dv. What about this one?

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:11:08
From: dv
ID: 2046474
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


dv said:

Woodie said:

I should point out that is a 55,000 seat stadium. The one proposed is less than half that size.

BTAIM, the govt’s own published concept designs appear to be of a similar height as the Domain.


Pick the biggest one, Mr Dv. What about this one?


Well that’s a bit better, looks like max height is maybe 27 m, and they have used a sloped design but the low end it towards the east. If they rotated it 90 degrees clockwise it would have a modest profile as seen from the south.

Still … I guess we’ll see the ultimate designs when we see them.

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:27:43
From: Woodie
ID: 2046486
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Woodie said:

dv said:

BTAIM, the govt’s own published concept designs appear to be of a similar height as the Domain.


Pick the biggest one, Mr Dv. What about this one?


Well that’s a bit better, looks like max height is maybe 27 m, and they have used a sloped design but the low end it towards the east. If they rotated it 90 degrees clockwise it would have a modest profile as seen from the south.

Still … I guess we’ll see the ultimate designs when we see them.

Anyway, Why is this all the AFLs fault and purportedly barging in where they’re not wanted? The AFL haven’t even really said where or what it must be, other than up date and state of the art facilities for spectators and players. and minimum capacity They’ve responded to a demand (rather lethargically) over the last 20+ years for a team in Tasmania. The stink that broke loose when GWS and Gold Coast got guernseys and Tasmania lost out. No mention at all that it’s all cricket’s fault, or soccer’s fault, or rugby international’s fault, or even Ed Shearan’s fault, all of which would probably use it

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:37:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046492
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Attachment to place becomes problematic when differing opinions arise and take hold. Then the greater the attachment the greater the problems that arise. See Jerusalem.

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:41:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046496
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Attachment to place becomes problematic when differing opinions arise and take hold. Then the greater the attachment the greater the problems that arise. See Jerusalem.

You have a point. Up to a point. The conservative Catholics thought nothing of cutting down a revered historic Bunya Pine in case it would drop bombs on their precious Rolls Royces.

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:42:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046498
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


sarahs mum said:

Attachment to place becomes problematic when differing opinions arise and take hold. Then the greater the attachment the greater the problems that arise. See Jerusalem.

You have a point. Up to a point. The conservative Catholics thought nothing of cutting down a revered historic Bunya Pine in case it would drop bombs on their precious Rolls Royces.

Others cared.

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Date: 22/06/2023 16:43:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046500
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

Attachment to place becomes problematic when differing opinions arise and take hold. Then the greater the attachment the greater the problems that arise. See Jerusalem.

You have a point. Up to a point. The conservative Catholics thought nothing of cutting down a revered historic Bunya Pine in case it would drop bombs on their precious Rolls Royces.

Others cared.

True.

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Date: 22/06/2023 18:50:18
From: dv
ID: 2046531
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


dv said:

Woodie said:

Pick the biggest one, Mr Dv. What about this one?


Well that’s a bit better, looks like max height is maybe 27 m, and they have used a sloped design but the low end it towards the east. If they rotated it 90 degrees clockwise it would have a modest profile as seen from the south.

Still … I guess we’ll see the ultimate designs when we see them.

Anyway, Why is this all the AFLs fault and purportedly barging in where they’re not wanted? The AFL haven’t even really said where or what it must be, other than up date and state of the art facilities for spectators and players. and minimum capacity They’ve responded to a demand (rather lethargically) over the last 20+ years for a team in Tasmania. The stink that broke loose when GWS and Gold Coast got guernseys and Tasmania lost out. No mention at all that it’s all cricket’s fault, or soccer’s fault, or rugby international’s fault, or even Ed Shearan’s fault, all of which would probably use it

I can’t speak for anyone else but for mine it’s not about anything being the AFL’s fault. The AFL is expected to look out for its own interests. The Tasmanian govt on the other hand is expected to look out for the interests of Tasmanians and, given that the AFL is a profitable organisation, that a harder bargain could have been driven with respect to funding of the new stadium that is primarily going to be used for AFL.

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Date: 22/06/2023 19:04:42
From: Woodie
ID: 2046539
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Woodie said:

dv said:

Well that’s a bit better, looks like max height is maybe 27 m, and they have used a sloped design but the low end it towards the east. If they rotated it 90 degrees clockwise it would have a modest profile as seen from the south.

Still … I guess we’ll see the ultimate designs when we see them.

Anyway, Why is this all the AFLs fault and purportedly barging in where they’re not wanted? The AFL haven’t even really said where or what it must be, other than up date and state of the art facilities for spectators and players. and minimum capacity They’ve responded to a demand (rather lethargically) over the last 20+ years for a team in Tasmania. The stink that broke loose when GWS and Gold Coast got guernseys and Tasmania lost out. No mention at all that it’s all cricket’s fault, or soccer’s fault, or rugby international’s fault, or even Ed Shearan’s fault, all of which would probably use it

I can’t speak for anyone else but for mine it’s not about anything being the AFL’s fault. The AFL is expected to look out for its own interests. The Tasmanian govt on the other hand is expected to look out for the interests of Tasmanians and, given that the AFL is a profitable organisation, that a harder bargain could have been driven with respect to funding of the new stadium that is primarily going to be used for AFL.

There we go again. It’s all about the AFL. Dare I say cricket would have the most events there each year. Hobart Hurricanes BBL mens and womens. International 1 dayers, International T 20 and maybe even the odd 5 day test here or there. Easily surpasses the 11 AFL home game events each year. And I understand some of those 11 may be played in Launceston.

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Date: 22/06/2023 19:12:24
From: party_pants
ID: 2046545
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The AFL are a not for profit organisation. Just saying. Profits they do make go back to individual clubs, or to re-investment into youth development or community level footy.

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Date: 22/06/2023 19:14:30
From: Woodie
ID: 2046547
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


dv said:

Woodie said:

Anyway, Why is this all the AFLs fault and purportedly barging in where they’re not wanted? The AFL haven’t even really said where or what it must be, other than up date and state of the art facilities for spectators and players. and minimum capacity They’ve responded to a demand (rather lethargically) over the last 20+ years for a team in Tasmania. The stink that broke loose when GWS and Gold Coast got guernseys and Tasmania lost out. No mention at all that it’s all cricket’s fault, or soccer’s fault, or rugby international’s fault, or even Ed Shearan’s fault, all of which would probably use it

I can’t speak for anyone else but for mine it’s not about anything being the AFL’s fault. The AFL is expected to look out for its own interests. The Tasmanian govt on the other hand is expected to look out for the interests of Tasmanians and, given that the AFL is a profitable organisation, that a harder bargain could have been driven with respect to funding of the new stadium that is primarily going to be used for AFL.

There we go again. It’s all about the AFL. Dare I say cricket would have the most events there each year. Hobart Hurricanes BBL mens and womens. International 1 dayers, International T 20 and maybe even the odd 5 day test here or there. Easily surpasses the 11 AFL home game events each year. And I understand some of those 11 may be played in Launceston.

BTW, the AFL won’t get to play there for free. Neither will the cricket or any other event. The only place the AFL get to play “for free” is Docklands in Melbourne which they paid $250 million for in 2016.

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Date: 22/06/2023 19:16:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046549
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Woodie said:


Woodie said:

dv said:

I can’t speak for anyone else but for mine it’s not about anything being the AFL’s fault. The AFL is expected to look out for its own interests. The Tasmanian govt on the other hand is expected to look out for the interests of Tasmanians and, given that the AFL is a profitable organisation, that a harder bargain could have been driven with respect to funding of the new stadium that is primarily going to be used for AFL.

There we go again. It’s all about the AFL. Dare I say cricket would have the most events there each year. Hobart Hurricanes BBL mens and womens. International 1 dayers, International T 20 and maybe even the odd 5 day test here or there. Easily surpasses the 11 AFL home game events each year. And I understand some of those 11 may be played in Launceston.

BTW, the AFL won’t get to play there for free. Neither will the cricket or any other event. The only place the AFL get to play “for free” is Docklands in Melbourne which they paid $250 million for in 2016.

That’s a lot of money to pay for free admission.

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Date: 23/06/2023 00:37:54
From: dv
ID: 2046627
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

There was some optimism that there would be a light rail connection to the stadium. The rail lines are no longer used for freight and, even before the stadium plan, the 2016 review of a proposed light rail recommended preserving the rails for a light rail system. Moving 27000 in and out of central Hobart in a short space of time would be difficult by road: it’s normally considered that a single light rail line can shift 20000 people per hour, while a lane of road can move 2000 people per hour.

In May however, the Rockliff government announced that they will be relying on buses to deal with the additional traffic, though the plans do not include a stop at the stadium itself.

Now, the Greens and some rail enthusiasts have said that the Rockliff government has confirmed that it plans to remove existing rail lines, which to my mind is barmy: every city that has done that later regretted it. It’s also reported that the Bridgewater Bridge will be demolished, once a road-only replacement is built, meaning there’s no rail line connecting Hobart to the North. But I confess I can’t find any public record of government plans to do that. So make of that what you will.
The government’s price estimates for the rejected Light Rail plan appear based on the Gold Coast version, but this is probably not a fair comparison because GC had to build their lines and secure the land from scratch, whereas in Hobart the land acq, grading, track building is already done. No doubt some repairs would be needed.

This map shows, in red, the current unused rail lines in Hobart. The rail runs north from Macq Point up through Glenorchy and Claremont, across the bridge to Bridgewater and Brighton, then broadly NE to Campania and so on.
From Bridgewater there’s also a Derwent Valley line extending west that goes on to New Norfolk, Glenora etc.

There’s also a small spur running east off the main line towards Derwent Park.

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Date: 23/06/2023 00:39:30
From: dv
ID: 2046628
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


There was some optimism that there would be a light rail connection to the stadium. The rail lines are no longer used for freight and, even before the stadium plan, the 2016 review of a proposed light rail recommended preserving the rails for a light rail system. Moving 27000 in and out of central Hobart in a short space of time would be difficult by road: it’s normally considered that a single light rail line can shift 20000 people per hour, while a lane of road can move 2000 people per hour.

In May however, the Rockliff government announced that they will be relying on buses to deal with the additional traffic, though the plans do not include a stop at the stadium itself.

Now, the Greens and some rail enthusiasts have said that the Rockliff government has confirmed that it plans to remove existing rail lines, which to my mind is barmy: every city that has done that later regretted it. It’s also reported that the Bridgewater Bridge will be demolished, once a road-only replacement is built, meaning there’s no rail line connecting Hobart to the North. But I confess I can’t find any public record of government plans to do that. So make of that what you will.
The government’s price estimates for the rejected Light Rail plan appear based on the Gold Coast version, but this is probably not a fair comparison because GC had to build their lines and secure the land from scratch, whereas in Hobart the land acq, grading, track building is already done. No doubt some repairs would be needed.

This map shows, in red, the current unused rail lines in Hobart. The rail runs north from Macq Point up through Glenorchy and Claremont, across the bridge to Bridgewater and Brighton, then broadly NE to Campania and so on.
From Bridgewater there’s also a Derwent Valley line extending west that goes on to New Norfolk, Glenora etc.

There’s also a small spur running east off the main line towards Derwent Park.

Next state election is 2 years from now almost exactly, unless the minority govt crumbles before then which I suppose is possible, so hopefully the rail lines haven’t been ripped up before then.

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Date: 23/06/2023 00:59:20
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046632
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


There was some optimism that there would be a light rail connection to the stadium. The rail lines are no longer used for freight and, even before the stadium plan, the 2016 review of a proposed light rail recommended preserving the rails for a light rail system. Moving 27000 in and out of central Hobart in a short space of time would be difficult by road: it’s normally considered that a single light rail line can shift 20000 people per hour, while a lane of road can move 2000 people per hour.

In May however, the Rockliff government announced that they will be relying on buses to deal with the additional traffic, though the plans do not include a stop at the stadium itself.

Now, the Greens and some rail enthusiasts have said that the Rockliff government has confirmed that it plans to remove existing rail lines, which to my mind is barmy: every city that has done that later regretted it. It’s also reported that the Bridgewater Bridge will be demolished, once a road-only replacement is built, meaning there’s no rail line connecting Hobart to the North. But I confess I can’t find any public record of government plans to do that. So make of that what you will.
The government’s price estimates for the rejected Light Rail plan appear based on the Gold Coast version, but this is probably not a fair comparison because GC had to build their lines and secure the land from scratch, whereas in Hobart the land acq, grading, track building is already done. No doubt some repairs would be needed.

This map shows, in red, the current unused rail lines in Hobart. The rail runs north from Macq Point up through Glenorchy and Claremont, across the bridge to Bridgewater and Brighton, then broadly NE to Campania and so on.
From Bridgewater there’s also a Derwent Valley line extending west that goes on to New Norfolk, Glenora etc.

There’s also a small spur running east off the main line towards Derwent Park.

southern outlet traffic is bumper to bumper every morning and is jammed full most arvos but moving.

hobart needs a north south bypass but it well down the list apparently..

we also ‘upgraded’ our bus fleet in the last couple of years to…diesel.

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Date: 23/06/2023 01:19:22
From: dv
ID: 2046636
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

There was some optimism that there would be a light rail connection to the stadium. The rail lines are no longer used for freight and, even before the stadium plan, the 2016 review of a proposed light rail recommended preserving the rails for a light rail system. Moving 27000 in and out of central Hobart in a short space of time would be difficult by road: it’s normally considered that a single light rail line can shift 20000 people per hour, while a lane of road can move 2000 people per hour.

In May however, the Rockliff government announced that they will be relying on buses to deal with the additional traffic, though the plans do not include a stop at the stadium itself.

Now, the Greens and some rail enthusiasts have said that the Rockliff government has confirmed that it plans to remove existing rail lines, which to my mind is barmy: every city that has done that later regretted it. It’s also reported that the Bridgewater Bridge will be demolished, once a road-only replacement is built, meaning there’s no rail line connecting Hobart to the North. But I confess I can’t find any public record of government plans to do that. So make of that what you will.
The government’s price estimates for the rejected Light Rail plan appear based on the Gold Coast version, but this is probably not a fair comparison because GC had to build their lines and secure the land from scratch, whereas in Hobart the land acq, grading, track building is already done. No doubt some repairs would be needed.

This map shows, in red, the current unused rail lines in Hobart. The rail runs north from Macq Point up through Glenorchy and Claremont, across the bridge to Bridgewater and Brighton, then broadly NE to Campania and so on.
From Bridgewater there’s also a Derwent Valley line extending west that goes on to New Norfolk, Glenora etc.

There’s also a small spur running east off the main line towards Derwent Park.

southern outlet traffic is bumper to bumper every morning and is jammed full most arvos but moving.

hobart needs a north south bypass but it well down the list apparently..

we also ‘upgraded’ our bus fleet in the last couple of years to…diesel.

What were they before?

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Date: 23/06/2023 01:56:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046637
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

There was some optimism that there would be a light rail connection to the stadium. The rail lines are no longer used for freight and, even before the stadium plan, the 2016 review of a proposed light rail recommended preserving the rails for a light rail system. Moving 27000 in and out of central Hobart in a short space of time would be difficult by road: it’s normally considered that a single light rail line can shift 20000 people per hour, while a lane of road can move 2000 people per hour.

In May however, the Rockliff government announced that they will be relying on buses to deal with the additional traffic, though the plans do not include a stop at the stadium itself.

Now, the Greens and some rail enthusiasts have said that the Rockliff government has confirmed that it plans to remove existing rail lines, which to my mind is barmy: every city that has done that later regretted it. It’s also reported that the Bridgewater Bridge will be demolished, once a road-only replacement is built, meaning there’s no rail line connecting Hobart to the North. But I confess I can’t find any public record of government plans to do that. So make of that what you will.
The government’s price estimates for the rejected Light Rail plan appear based on the Gold Coast version, but this is probably not a fair comparison because GC had to build their lines and secure the land from scratch, whereas in Hobart the land acq, grading, track building is already done. No doubt some repairs would be needed.

This map shows, in red, the current unused rail lines in Hobart. The rail runs north from Macq Point up through Glenorchy and Claremont, across the bridge to Bridgewater and Brighton, then broadly NE to Campania and so on.
From Bridgewater there’s also a Derwent Valley line extending west that goes on to New Norfolk, Glenora etc.

There’s also a small spur running east off the main line towards Derwent Park.

southern outlet traffic is bumper to bumper every morning and is jammed full most arvos but moving.

hobart needs a north south bypass but it well down the list apparently..

we also ‘upgraded’ our bus fleet in the last couple of years to…diesel.

What were they before?

diesel?

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Date: 23/06/2023 02:26:05
From: dv
ID: 2046638
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

sarahs mum said:

southern outlet traffic is bumper to bumper every morning and is jammed full most arvos but moving.

hobart needs a north south bypass but it well down the list apparently..

we also ‘upgraded’ our bus fleet in the last couple of years to…diesel.

What were they before?

diesel?

I see

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Date: 23/06/2023 10:20:00
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2046717
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/image-proves-proposed-hobart-stadium-is-an-absolute-travesty/news-story/e711f85e1824e867a773315ae5091226?amp

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Date: 23/06/2023 10:41:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046727
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/image-proves-proposed-hobart-stadium-is-an-absolute-travesty/news-story/e711f85e1824e867a773315ae5091226?amp

>>>It comes on the heels of MP John Tucker threatening to trigger an early state election unless treasury advice on the project is released.

“If they don’t provide that information, well there’s going to be a confidence problem in the government and we’ll be off to an election,” Mr Tucker told local radio. “The Premier is well aware of that.”

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Date: 23/06/2023 10:55:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046730
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-23/russian-diplomat-refusing-to-leave-terminated-embassy-site/102515020

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:05:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2046731
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-23/russian-diplomat-refusing-to-leave-terminated-embassy-site/102515020

Terminating ambassadors for refusing to leave seems a bit extreme, even for Russians.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:06:07
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2046732
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/image-proves-proposed-hobart-stadium-is-an-absolute-travesty/news-story/e711f85e1824e867a773315ae5091226?amp

>>>It comes on the heels of MP John Tucker threatening to trigger an early state election unless treasury advice on the project is released.

“If they don’t provide that information, well there’s going to be a confidence problem in the government and we’ll be off to an election,” Mr Tucker told local radio. “The Premier is well aware of that.”

Hang on, that’s a News article.

If they are against it, doesn’t that mean we are for it?

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:10:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046733
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-23/russian-diplomat-refusing-to-leave-terminated-embassy-site/102515020

Terminating ambassadors for refusing to leave seems a bit extreme, even for Russians.

:) All I can say is that he’s going to get cold feet sooner or later even if he is Russian.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:11:20
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2046734
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-23/russian-diplomat-refusing-to-leave-terminated-embassy-site/102515020

OK, he can camp there as long as he likes.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:11:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046735
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-23/russian-diplomat-refusing-to-leave-terminated-embassy-site/102515020

Terminating ambassadors for refusing to leave seems a bit extreme, even for Russians.

:) All I can say is that he’s going to get cold feet sooner or later even if he is Russian.

Presumably he’s living in the toilet block on the corner?

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:13:38
From: dv
ID: 2046736
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Technically there doesn’t need to be an election. If Tucker is willing to support White as Premier then Labor can form a minority govt without an election.

It doesn’t happen much these days, Governors do prefer elections it seems, but it used to be all the rage.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:14:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2046737
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/image-proves-proposed-hobart-stadium-is-an-absolute-travesty/news-story/e711f85e1824e867a773315ae5091226?amp

>>>It comes on the heels of MP John Tucker threatening to trigger an early state election unless treasury advice on the project is released.

“If they don’t provide that information, well there’s going to be a confidence problem in the government and we’ll be off to an election,” Mr Tucker told local radio. “The Premier is well aware of that.”

Hang on, that’s a News article.

If they are against it, doesn’t that mean we are for it?

It’s a general rule but not an absolute one.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:15:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2046738
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/image-proves-proposed-hobart-stadium-is-an-absolute-travesty/news-story/e711f85e1824e867a773315ae5091226?amp

>>>It comes on the heels of MP John Tucker threatening to trigger an early state election unless treasury advice on the project is released.

“If they don’t provide that information, well there’s going to be a confidence problem in the government and we’ll be off to an election,” Mr Tucker told local radio. “The Premier is well aware of that.”

Hang on, that’s a News article.

If they are against it, doesn’t that mean we are for it?

behind it to some extent. but rupert is quite happy to make money no matter what govt is in.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:15:33
From: dv
ID: 2046739
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

>>>It comes on the heels of MP John Tucker threatening to trigger an early state election unless treasury advice on the project is released.

“If they don’t provide that information, well there’s going to be a confidence problem in the government and we’ll be off to an election,” Mr Tucker told local radio. “The Premier is well aware of that.”

Hang on, that’s a News article.

If they are against it, doesn’t that mean we are for it?

It’s a general rule but not an absolute one.

Heck, it was News journalists who uncovered the news that Trump was knocked back for a casino licence in Sydney because of his connections to organised crime.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:23:18
From: Tamb
ID: 2046742
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-23/russian-diplomat-refusing-to-leave-terminated-embassy-site/102515020

OK, he can camp there as long as he likes.

The Russian Tent Embassy?

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:26:02
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2046745
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-23/russian-diplomat-refusing-to-leave-terminated-embassy-site/102515020

Terminating ambassadors for refusing to leave seems a bit extreme, even for Russians.

:) All I can say is that he’s going to get cold feet sooner or later even if he is Russian.

they seem to like occupying other people’s land.

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Date: 23/06/2023 11:27:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 2046748
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

ChrispenEvan said:


roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Terminating ambassadors for refusing to leave seems a bit extreme, even for Russians.

:) All I can say is that he’s going to get cold feet sooner or later even if he is Russian.

they seem to like occupying other people’s land.

You have got a point there.

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Date: 26/06/2023 19:10:40
From: dv
ID: 2048109
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The word is that Crean is the only ALP leader never to take the party to an election.

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Date: 26/06/2023 19:25:57
From: monkey skipper
ID: 2048117
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The word is that Crean is the only ALP leader never to take the party to an election.

Well he certainly won’t be able to now! :(

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Date: 26/06/2023 23:34:39
From: dv
ID: 2048141
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Things continue to trend towards the No vote in the Voice referendum as a recent Newspoll has it ahead by 3%. The poll also had state breakdowns and Yes only leads in 2 states, and wins would be required in 4 states to carry the referendum.

https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/06/25/newspoll-54-46-to-labor-open-thread-2/

Perhaps most sobering for the government is a finding that 47% intend to vote no in the Indigenous Voice referendum, up four on three weeks ago, eclipsing yes on 43%, down three. This comes from an expanded sample of 2303, together with a longer than usual field work period from June 16 to 24, which has been further juiced with the results of the previous poll to provide state breakdowns with substantial sample sizes and a sample of 3852 overall. Yes has the lead only in Victoria, by 48-41, and New South Wales, by 46-41. No leads by 54-40 in Queensland, 52-39 in Western Australia, 46-45 in South Australia and 48-43 in Tasmania.

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Date: 26/06/2023 23:54:31
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2048144
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Things continue to trend towards the No vote in the Voice referendum as a recent Newspoll has it ahead by 3%. The poll also had state breakdowns and Yes only leads in 2 states, and wins would be required in 4 states to carry the referendum.

https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/06/25/newspoll-54-46-to-labor-open-thread-2/

Perhaps most sobering for the government is a finding that 47% intend to vote no in the Indigenous Voice referendum, up four on three weeks ago, eclipsing yes on 43%, down three. This comes from an expanded sample of 2303, together with a longer than usual field work period from June 16 to 24, which has been further juiced with the results of the previous poll to provide state breakdowns with substantial sample sizes and a sample of 3852 overall. Yes has the lead only in Victoria, by 48-41, and New South Wales, by 46-41. No leads by 54-40 in Queensland, 52-39 in Western Australia, 46-45 in South Australia and 48-43 in Tasmania.

sad.

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Date: 26/06/2023 23:55:29
From: dv
ID: 2048145
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

sarahs mum said:


dv said:

Things continue to trend towards the No vote in the Voice referendum as a recent Newspoll has it ahead by 3%. The poll also had state breakdowns and Yes only leads in 2 states, and wins would be required in 4 states to carry the referendum.

https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/06/25/newspoll-54-46-to-labor-open-thread-2/

Perhaps most sobering for the government is a finding that 47% intend to vote no in the Indigenous Voice referendum, up four on three weeks ago, eclipsing yes on 43%, down three. This comes from an expanded sample of 2303, together with a longer than usual field work period from June 16 to 24, which has been further juiced with the results of the previous poll to provide state breakdowns with substantial sample sizes and a sample of 3852 overall. Yes has the lead only in Victoria, by 48-41, and New South Wales, by 46-41. No leads by 54-40 in Queensland, 52-39 in Western Australia, 46-45 in South Australia and 48-43 in Tasmania.

sad.

Still reckon maybe postpone it. Dutton won’t be opposition leader forever.

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Date: 27/06/2023 00:59:47
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2048151
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Things continue to trend towards the No vote in the Voice referendum as a recent Newspoll has it ahead by 3%. The poll also had state breakdowns and Yes only leads in 2 states, and wins would be required in 4 states to carry the referendum.

https://www.pollbludger.net/2023/06/25/newspoll-54-46-to-labor-open-thread-2/

Perhaps most sobering for the government is a finding that 47% intend to vote no in the Indigenous Voice referendum, up four on three weeks ago, eclipsing yes on 43%, down three. This comes from an expanded sample of 2303, together with a longer than usual field work period from June 16 to 24, which has been further juiced with the results of the previous poll to provide state breakdowns with substantial sample sizes and a sample of 3852 overall. Yes has the lead only in Victoria, by 48-41, and New South Wales, by 46-41. No leads by 54-40 in Queensland, 52-39 in Western Australia, 46-45 in South Australia and 48-43 in Tasmania.

sad.

Still reckon maybe postpone it. Dutton won’t be opposition leader forever.

Dutton is even more deceitful and destructive than Tony Abbot, if that were possible.

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Date: 27/06/2023 12:58:44
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2048254
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Honest Government Ad | Labor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHB0vDhdM3c

@thejuicemedia
1 hour ago (edited)
This HGA is a different to our usual ones: rather than focusing on a specific policy, country, or issue, it aims to capture the political dilemma facing our Labor Government – caught as it is between the shitty promises it made at the last election (stage 3 tax cuts, no reforms to tax loopholes on housing; no taxing of gas windfall profits; weaker emission target; expanding coal and gas, etc etc.) and the pressure it is under from voters – especially new, younger voters – to be less shit and take stronger action on the housing, cost of living and climate crises. I’ve evidently become a massive political nerd because I find this tension incredibly interesting.

But the reason I find it interesting is that I think it will be the defining political dynamic that takes us into the next election. Which (reminder) has to lead to more action on the climate and housing crises somehow. Some folks may interpret this as a political attack on Labor. But the truth is it’s an appeal to help them. I understand the political challenges they face. So this HGA suggests a way for people – especially Labor supporters – to help it overcome those challenges: tell Labor when it’s being Shit Lite ❤

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Date: 28/06/2023 07:26:57
From: buffy
ID: 2048407
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

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Date: 28/06/2023 07:31:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2048409
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

Yeah, It may take a while to fix everything Morrison did.

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Date: 28/06/2023 08:00:01
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2048415
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

lol, builders didn’t account for increases in costs and used fixed price contracts to get more customers, which sent many of ‘em broke when costs increased, blaming a shit policy for shit business practices is a bit rich, even for the ABC faux-commies.

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Date: 28/06/2023 08:02:17
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2048416
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

buffy said:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

Impossible. They’re the party of responsible economic management.

Must be Labor’s fault, something Rudd or Gillard did.

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Date: 28/06/2023 08:06:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2048417
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

lol, builders didn’t account for increases in costs and used fixed price contracts to get more customers, which sent many of ‘em broke when costs increased, blaming a shit policy for shit business practices is a bit rich, even for the ABC faux-commies.

:)
Yes the builders did shit in their own nests.

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Date: 28/06/2023 08:06:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2048418
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

Impossible. They’re the party of responsible economic management.

Must be Labor’s fault, something Rudd or Gillard did.

That will be their reply.

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Date: 28/06/2023 08:26:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048419
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

poikilotherm said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

lol, builders didn’t account for increases in costs and used fixed price contracts to get more customers, which sent many of ‘em broke when costs increased, blaming a shit policy for shit business practices is a bit rich, even for the ABC faux-commies.

You some sort of duttonite or something?

Builders going broke is part of the story, and isn’t the focus of the article.

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Date: 28/06/2023 09:13:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2048423
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


buffy said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/morrison-government-scheme-homebuilder-over-heated-construction/102521874

Impossible. They’re the party of responsible economic management.

Must be Labor’s fault, something Rudd or Gillard did.


Bringing in 1.5 million people in a housing and power crisis – genuis move by Labor ( “liberal” is worse !)

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:03:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2048771
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Coalition could lose the next six elections due to younger voters

The federal Coalition could lose the next six elections because Millennials and Generation Z voters aren’t shifting towards conservatives as they get older, prompting Liberal MPs to urge the party to transform its relationship with younger Australians. “We need to deploy economic policies which work for Millennials and Zoomers,” said Senator Andrew Bragg.

New analysis of voting trends by the Liberal-leaning Centre for Independent Studies found Baby Boomers and Gen X voters were more likely to support a conservative party than a progressive party once they reached their early 50s. But that trend is not on track to be repeated by younger generations. Millennials are shifting to the right at half the rate at which Boomers and Gen Xers did, meaning on average they will be in their 80s before they are more likely to vote conservative. Among Gen Z voters, support for the Coalition is falling rather than increasing.

More Millennials and Gen Zers voted for the Greens than the Coalition at the last election. Projecting current trends forward, the analysis shows the Coalition would not return to government for at least the next six elections and could lose 35 seats by 2040. Senior Liberal adviser turned pollster Tony Barry believes the shift comes down to younger voters taking longer to reach the milestones that traditionally lead to conservative voting patterns, such as starting a family and buying a house. “Millennials locked out of the housing market feel they have no stake in the economy,” he said. “So the Liberal Party’s legacy political strength of ‘good economic management’ is meaningless to them.”

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-could-lose-35-seats-as-millennials-gen-z-reshape-politics-20230628-p5dk2y.html

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:28:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2048773
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

In NSW, Our Glad has been found to have a frightfully naughty girl, and done some rather reprehensible things, but (of course) there will be no charges against her, or, in fact, any consequences for her at all.

Her erstwhile fun-buddy, Dazza M., however, will be referred to the DPP to see if they can further flog his dead hide to an extent sufficient to satisfy any demands from the public that someone be punished.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-29/live-blog-gladys-berejiklian-icac-findings/102539414

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:29:57
From: dv
ID: 2048775
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

good

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:32:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048776
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


In NSW, Our Glad has been found to have a frightfully naughty girl, and done some rather reprehensible things, but (of course) there will be no charges against her, or, in fact, any consequences for her at all.

Her erstwhile fun-buddy, Dazza M., however, will be referred to the DPP to see if they can further flog his dead hide to an extent sufficient to satisfy any demands from the public that someone be punished.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-29/live-blog-gladys-berejiklian-icac-findings/102539414

OTOH, they say she hasn’t been all that naughty:

“Ultimately, the Commission is of the view that Ms Berejiklian’s conduct, while it constitutes or involves a substantial breach of the ministerial code, is not so serious that it could be demonstrated to merit criminal punishment (the fifth element of the offence of misconduct in public office) and therefore does not reach the very high bar required to make out the offence of misconduct in public office”

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:32:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048777
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


In NSW, Our Glad has been found to have a frightfully naughty girl, and done some rather reprehensible things, but (of course) there will be no charges against her, or, in fact, any consequences for her at all.

Her erstwhile fun-buddy, Dazza M., however, will be referred to the DPP to see if they can further flog his dead hide to an extent sufficient to satisfy any demands from the public that someone be punished.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-29/live-blog-gladys-berejiklian-icac-findings/102539414

OTOH, they say she hasn’t been all that naughty:

“Ultimately, the Commission is of the view that Ms Berejiklian’s conduct, while it constitutes or involves a substantial breach of the ministerial code, is not so serious that it could be demonstrated to merit criminal punishment (the fifth element of the offence of misconduct in public office) and therefore does not reach the very high bar required to make out the offence of misconduct in public office”

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:36:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2048778
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

In NSW, Our Glad has been found to have a frightfully naughty girl, and done some rather reprehensible things, but (of course) there will be no charges against her, or, in fact, any consequences for her at all.

Her erstwhile fun-buddy, Dazza M., however, will be referred to the DPP to see if they can further flog his dead hide to an extent sufficient to satisfy any demands from the public that someone be punished.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-29/live-blog-gladys-berejiklian-icac-findings/102539414

OTOH, they say she hasn’t been all that naughty:

“Ultimately, the Commission is of the view that Ms Berejiklian’s conduct, while it constitutes or involves a substantial breach of the ministerial code, is not so serious that it could be demonstrated to merit criminal punishment (the fifth element of the offence of misconduct in public office) and therefore does not reach the very high bar required to make out the offence of misconduct in public office”

Yeah, and i once had a breath-analyser cop down grade my blood/alcohol reading from 0.8% (heavier penalties) to 0.75% just because he didn’t want to see a nice kid like me hit too hard for minor error. So, the penalty may not always match actual offence.

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:36:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2048779
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


captain_spalding said:

In NSW, Our Glad has been found to have a frightfully naughty girl, and done some rather reprehensible things, but (of course) there will be no charges against her, or, in fact, any consequences for her at all.

Her erstwhile fun-buddy, Dazza M., however, will be referred to the DPP to see if they can further flog his dead hide to an extent sufficient to satisfy any demands from the public that someone be punished.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-29/live-blog-gladys-berejiklian-icac-findings/102539414

OTOH, they say she hasn’t been all that naughty:

“Ultimately, the Commission is of the view that Ms Berejiklian’s conduct, while it constitutes or involves a substantial breach of the ministerial code, is not so serious that it could be demonstrated to merit criminal punishment (the fifth element of the offence of misconduct in public office) and therefore does not reach the very high bar required to make out the offence of misconduct in public office”

Yeah, and i once had a breath-analyser cop down grade my blood/alcohol reading from 0.8% (heavier penalties) to 0.75% just because he didn’t want to see a nice kid like me hit too hard for minor error. So, the penalty may not always match actual offence.

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:41:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048780
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

We seem to both be afflicted with the curse of “so good you gotta say it twice” this morning :)

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:54:53
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2048783
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

I just realised:

those blood/alcohol readings i mentioned were WAY high!

Should have been 0.08% and 0.075.

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:56:52
From: dv
ID: 2048784
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


I just realised:

those blood/alcohol readings i mentioned were WAY high!

Should have been 0.08% and 0.075.

Was gonna say, I thought you were in Tim Smith territory

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Date: 29/06/2023 11:59:12
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2048786
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

I just realised:

those blood/alcohol readings i mentioned were WAY high!

Should have been 0.08% and 0.075.

Was gonna say, I thought you were in Tim Smith territory

Yeah, have a dekko at this blood/alcohol table:

0.8% would have been enough to kill me twice over!

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Date: 29/06/2023 12:27:41
From: Ian
ID: 2048792
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

“I think it’s important that there’s not an automatic resignation or suspension from public life while the inquiry is taking place,” Minns told this masthead on Thursday following the ICAC report’s release.

“There may be circumstances where it’s absolutely appropriate because the evidence is overwhelming, but it shouldn’t happen in an automatic way.

“People have got a right to have an investigation and the final findings submitted to the public and the parliament before their political life is stopped or ended.

“When former premier Berejiklian made her resignation, we didn’t call for it. I didn’t demand that she step down at the time.

“There’s got to be a discussion in NSW about the ICAC being in existence, undertaking the role that it’s legislated to do, while at the same time allowing the work of government to continue.

“The evidence will come to light. That’s always going to be the situation in NSW with the ICAC. But that doesn’t mean that the work of government needs to stop.”

.

wibble

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Date: 29/06/2023 13:30:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2048815
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


I just realised:

those blood/alcohol readings i mentioned were WAY high!

Should have been 0.08% and 0.075.

We’ll forgive you this once. .08 was a long time ago.

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Date: 29/06/2023 13:50:16
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2048824
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

roughbarked said:


captain_spalding said:

I just realised:

those blood/alcohol readings i mentioned were WAY high!

Should have been 0.08% and 0.075.

We’ll forgive you this once. .08 was a long time ago.

Unfortunately for me, the occasion was about a week after the limit had been dropped from 0.08% to 0.05%.

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Date: 29/06/2023 14:38:28
From: Ian
ID: 2048835
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I just realised:

those blood/alcohol readings i mentioned were WAY high!

Should have been 0.08% and 0.075.

We’ll forgive you this once. .08 was a long time ago.

Unfortunately for me, the occasion was about a week after the limit had been dropped from 0.08% to 0.05%.

Ha. Not long before 0.08 came in I got breathalyzed after a lunchtime drink and a slight lane change dingle.. half the crystals changed colour.. a stern word.. no charges

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Date: 29/06/2023 14:58:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2048844
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I just realised:

those blood/alcohol readings i mentioned were WAY high!

Should have been 0.08% and 0.075.

We’ll forgive you this once. .08 was a long time ago.

Unfortunately for me, the occasion was about a week after the limit had been dropped from 0.08% to 0.05%.

Not good.

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Date: 29/06/2023 16:04:34
From: dv
ID: 2048875
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

This seems to be a pet peeve of Badham’s at the mo.

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Date: 29/06/2023 18:36:27
From: dv
ID: 2048937
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

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Date: 29/06/2023 18:41:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2048939
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

They’d get better accommodation in prison.

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Date: 29/06/2023 19:12:37
From: dv
ID: 2048948
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

They’d get better accommodation in prison.

I still think it’s probably time to give up Sydney as a bad joke.

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Date: 29/06/2023 19:15:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2048950
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

They’d get better accommodation in prison.

I still think it’s probably time to give up Sydney as a bad joke.

Twas so in 1985.

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Date: 29/06/2023 20:32:29
From: Kingy
ID: 2048976
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

They’d get better accommodation in prison.

A guy in WA beat to death an old disabled person just so he could get a bed in prison. He now has a bed, security and food for life. His victims family now have trauma and funeral arrangements to make.

What is fkn wrong with this system?

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Date: 29/06/2023 20:35:02
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2048979
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Kingy said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

They’d get better accommodation in prison.

A guy in WA beat to death an old disabled person just so he could get a bed in prison. He now has a bed, security and food for life. His victims family now have trauma and funeral arrangements to make.

What is fkn wrong with this system?

Yes, being in prison is sooooo much better than being not in prison.

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Date: 29/06/2023 20:50:52
From: dv
ID: 2048984
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

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Date: 29/06/2023 20:51:33
From: dv
ID: 2048985
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Kingy said:


Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

They’d get better accommodation in prison.

A guy in WA beat to death an old disabled person just so he could get a bed in prison. He now has a bed, security and food for life. His victims family now have trauma and funeral arrangements to make.

What is fkn wrong with this system?

What was his name?

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Date: 29/06/2023 21:14:23
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048987
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:



Yeah, I used to think that Matt Kean was OK (for a lib), but his absolute defence of Gladys and suggestion that it’s all the ICAC being evil, has me thinking otherwise.

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Date: 29/06/2023 21:17:42
From: Kingy
ID: 2048988
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Kingy said:

Bubblecar said:

They’d get better accommodation in prison.

A guy in WA beat to death an old disabled person just so he could get a bed in prison. He now has a bed, security and food for life. His victims family now have trauma and funeral arrangements to make.

What is fkn wrong with this system?

What was his name?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/lex-pickett-jailed-over-murder-of-allan-thomas-at-train-station/102347780

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Date: 29/06/2023 22:37:54
From: dv
ID: 2049004
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Kingy said:


dv said:

Kingy said:

A guy in WA beat to death an old disabled person just so he could get a bed in prison. He now has a bed, security and food for life. His victims family now have trauma and funeral arrangements to make.

What is fkn wrong with this system?

What was his name?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-28/lex-pickett-jailed-over-murder-of-allan-thomas-at-train-station/102347780

What a cunt.

I’m sure there are better ways to go to jail

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Date: 29/06/2023 22:52:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2049006
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:


Yeah, I used to think that Matt Kean was OK (for a lib), but his absolute defence of Gladys and suggestion that it’s all the ICAC being evil, has me thinking otherwise.


Start throwing them in jail

1 million dollar fine
10 years jail time, no parole

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Date: 29/06/2023 23:11:09
From: party_pants
ID: 2049009
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

wookiemeister said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:


Yeah, I used to think that Matt Kean was OK (for a lib), but his absolute defence of Gladys and suggestion that it’s all the ICAC being evil, has me thinking otherwise.


Start throwing them in jail

1 million dollar fine
10 years jail time, no parole

Jail is a waste of money. Sell them into slavery. Cost the state nothing, might even turn a profit.

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Date: 29/06/2023 23:46:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2049013
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


Header says 350/month, body says 350/week

Can’t trust anyone these days.

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Date: 30/06/2023 15:38:09
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2049165
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

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Date: 2/07/2023 12:39:56
From: dv
ID: 2049704
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

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Date: 2/07/2023 12:54:20
From: Michael V
ID: 2049706
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

A million dollars a day for care and maintenance! That’s astounding.

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Date: 2/07/2023 12:57:06
From: party_pants
ID: 2049707
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

Bit of a wasta cash, in my humble.

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Date: 2/07/2023 12:57:13
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2049708
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


dv said:

The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

A million dollars a day for care and maintenance! That’s astounding.

Madness.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:11:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2049709
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Bubblecar said:


Michael V said:

dv said:

The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

A million dollars a day for care and maintenance! That’s astounding.

Madness.

The islands economy has probably grown to depend upon the detention centre so we’ll just pretend it’s still open for a few years.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:12:18
From: Ian
ID: 2049710
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


dv said:

The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

A million dollars a day for care and maintenance! That’s astounding.

Nice work if you can get it.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:27:06
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2049712
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

Keeps the Chinese from buying it as a barracks.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:30:36
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2049713
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

ABC News:

Economist: “You mean, the unemployed aren’t just a convenient academic model? Like spherical cows in a perfect vacuum, in physics?”.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:38:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2049715
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

Economist: “You mean, the unemployed aren’t just a convenient academic model? Like spherical cows in a perfect vacuum, in physics?”.

Steady lad.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:42:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2049716
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

Economist: “You mean, the unemployed aren’t just a convenient academic model? Like spherical cows in a perfect vacuum, in physics?”.

Some economists are still beholden to the ‘Philip’s Curve’ which seemed to show a direct inverse relationship between the rate of inflation and the unemployment rate. The relationship seemed to break down in the years after the GFC with steadily falling unemployment accompanying consistantly low inflation. I’d wager that inflation will fall globally with little rise in unemployment given this new dynamic.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:55:11
From: party_pants
ID: 2049717
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:


captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Economist: “You mean, the unemployed aren’t just a convenient academic model? Like spherical cows in a perfect vacuum, in physics?”.

Some economists are still beholden to the ‘Philip’s Curve’ which seemed to show a direct inverse relationship between the rate of inflation and the unemployment rate. The relationship seemed to break down in the years after the GFC with steadily falling unemployment accompanying consistantly low inflation. I’d wager that inflation will fall globally with little rise in unemployment given this new dynamic.

I think that the transfer of manufacturing from wealthy countries to developing countries also contributed massively to keeping inflation low for a couple of decades. Given all the disruption over the last few years with Covid and the growing strategic competition between China and the US/EU people are starting to re-route and de-risk their supply chains. All this is going to be inflationary. China’s greatest export over the last 20 years has been low inflation. Removing exposure to Chinese risk means inflation is back.

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Date: 2/07/2023 13:55:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2049718
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Michael V said:


dv said:

The Australian government has evacuated the last refugee it was holding on Nauru, ushering in the end of its 11-year controversial off-shore detention processing policy on that Pacific island nation.

The man was flown into Australia late Saturday night, according to a statement by the Melbourne-based Asylum Seeker Resource Center, which, like many other groups like it, welcomes the “long overdue move.”

However, there is still cause for concern, says Ian Rintoul with the Refugee Action Coalition, as the Australian government will continue to keep its facilities on Nauru open.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184269979/australia-last-refugee-on-nauru

“Australia confirms it will continue to pay $350m a year as a ‘contingency’ to keep a closed Nauru detention centre in abeyance, but on standby. Refugees told all will be moved off Nauru by end of June.”

A million dollars a day for care and maintenance! That’s astounding.

Wish someone would spend money like that on me.

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Date: 2/07/2023 14:53:59
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2049734
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

party_pants said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Economist: “You mean, the unemployed aren’t just a convenient academic model? Like spherical cows in a perfect vacuum, in physics?”.

Some economists are still beholden to the ‘Philip’s Curve’ which seemed to show a direct inverse relationship between the rate of inflation and the unemployment rate. The relationship seemed to break down in the years after the GFC with steadily falling unemployment accompanying consistantly low inflation. I’d wager that inflation will fall globally with little rise in unemployment given this new dynamic.

I think that the transfer of manufacturing from wealthy countries to developing countries also contributed massively to keeping inflation low for a couple of decades. Given all the disruption over the last few years with Covid and the growing strategic competition between China and the US/EU people are starting to re-route and de-risk their supply chains. All this is going to be inflationary. China’s greatest export over the last 20 years has been low inflation. Removing exposure to Chinese risk means inflation is back.

True but we can’t discount the same exporting of low inflation from India, Bangladesh and the ASEAN nation in the coming decades.

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Date: 2/07/2023 16:03:16
From: dv
ID: 2049747
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

captain_spalding said:


ABC News:

Economist: “You mean, the unemployed aren’t just a convenient academic model? Like spherical cows in a perfect vacuum, in physics?”.

What’s unsual now is that usually low unemployment is associated with wage-driven inflation, because of the heightened bargaining power but that’s not being seen this time around. Indeed wages increased 3.4% in 2022 in Australia, while inflation was over 6%. Meanwhile total corporate profits increased 15%. There seems to have been a big shift in the power dynamic.

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Date: 2/07/2023 16:10:23
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2049750
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

dv said:


captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Economist: “You mean, the unemployed aren’t just a convenient academic model? Like spherical cows in a perfect vacuum, in physics?”.

What’s unsual now is that usually low unemployment is associated with wage-driven inflation, because of the heightened bargaining power but that’s not being seen this time around. Indeed wages increased 3.4% in 2022 in Australia, while inflation was over 6%. Meanwhile total corporate profits increased 15%. There seems to have been a big shift in the power dynamic.

Yeah, but it’s those idiot ‘consumers’/‘greedy workers’ who still get the blame, and get punished so as to try to bring inflation down.

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Date: 2/07/2023 17:05:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2049777
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

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Date: 2/07/2023 17:23:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2049781
Subject: re: Australian politics - June 2023

Witty Rejoinder said:



:)

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