Date: 6/06/2023 21:47:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2040581
Subject: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

According to quantum mechanics, a vacuum state is populated by virtual particle pairs undergoing spontaneous creation and annihilation processes. These quantum fluctuations can turn into real particle pairs in the presence of a background field. The most prominent example of such a process is the Schwinger effect predicting the creation of charged particle pairs in the presence of an electric field. In new research, astrophysicists at Radboud University show the existence of a local gravitational particle production mechanism in curved spacetimes similar to the Schwinger effect for electric fields.

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Date: 6/06/2023 21:49:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2040582
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

If black holes evaporate, then at some stage black holes should become stars again, as the event horizon disappears.

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Date: 6/06/2023 21:49:51
From: dv
ID: 2040583
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

Yeah

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:05:06
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2040587
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

Tau.Neutrino said:


If black holes evaporate, then at some stage black holes should become stars again, as the event horizon disappears.

Another possibility is that a evaporating black hole could reach a stage where it would explode ?

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:06:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2040588
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

dv said:


Yeah

I’m not convinced that predictions of what will happen billions of years in the future are very reliable.

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:30:42
From: esselte
ID: 2040593
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

Tau.Neutrino said:


If black holes evaporate, then at some stage black holes should become stars again, as the event horizon disappears.

Black holes are defined by their mass, angular momentum and charge. You can’t build stars from that. This is the “loss of information” thing. You’d think you could re-build a star from a collapsing black hole, but you can’t. That’s why they are weird. You can have Planck scale black holes. Black holes don’t collapse in to stars as they evaporate, they just become smaller black holes.

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:38:18
From: dv
ID: 2040594
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

Yeah

I’m not convinced that predictions of what will happen billions of years in the future are very reliable.

Yeah

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:42:57
From: esselte
ID: 2040595
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

You could pump all the hydrogen in the universe in to a black hole. As the black hole evaporates, you don’t get an accumulation of hydrogen building within the black hole. The atomic composition of the hydrogen is lost the moment it passes the event horizon. The information defining that atomic composition is irretrievably lost.

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:45:03
From: dv
ID: 2040596
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

esselte said:


You could pump all the hydrogen in the universe in to a black hole.

IDK man, sounds risky.

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:47:24
From: esselte
ID: 2040597
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

dv said:


esselte said:

You could pump all the hydrogen in the universe in to a black hole.

IDK man, sounds risky.

Yeah

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Date: 6/06/2023 22:48:15
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2040598
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

esselte said:


You could pump all the hydrogen in the universe in to a black hole. As the black hole evaporates, you don’t get an accumulation of hydrogen building within the black hole. The atomic composition of the hydrogen is lost the moment it passes the event horizon. The information defining that atomic composition is irretrievably lost.

Ok.

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Date: 7/06/2023 06:49:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2040625
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

It all depends on whether the proton is completely stable.

In supersymmetry the proton is unstable at very long time scales decaying to a positron, which will evaporate. But if supersymmetry is wrong and the proton is stable, then planets are forever.

As for normal evaporation (i.e. sublimation), that ceases as the temperature of the universe drops towards absolute zero.

As for evaporation akin to black hole evaporation, I don’t know, but suspect that it doesn’t apply to planets.

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Date: 7/06/2023 07:54:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2040637
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

esselte said:


You could pump all the hydrogen in the universe in to a black hole. As the black hole evaporates, you don’t get an accumulation of hydrogen building within the black hole. The atomic composition of the hydrogen is lost the moment it passes the event horizon. The information defining that atomic composition is irretrievably lost.

… according to one (possibly rather naive) extrapolation of theories based on actual observations.

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Date: 7/06/2023 11:04:30
From: Ian
ID: 2040730
Subject: re: All Large Objects in Universe Will Eventually Evaporate, Astrophysicists Say

mollwollfumble said:


It all depends on whether the proton is completely stable.

In supersymmetry the proton is unstable at very long time scales decaying to a positron, which will evaporate. But if supersymmetry is wrong and the proton is stable, then planets are forever.

As for normal evaporation (i.e. sublimation), that ceases as the temperature of the universe drops towards absolute zero.

As for evaporation akin to black hole evaporation, I don’t know, but suspect that it doesn’t apply to planets.

I thought it was supposed to end with a cold, uniform soup of isolated photons.

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