I haven’t read all of this yet. I know it’s 12 months old, but I hadn’t seen it before.

“The end of the COVID-19 pandemic” by John P. A. Ioannidis

Link

buffy said:

I haven’t read all of this yet. I know it’s 12 months old, but I hadn’t seen it before.

“The end of the COVID-19 pandemic” by John P. A. Ioannidis

Link

read that quickly, certainly has its own hoodoo

transition said:

buffy said:

I haven’t read all of this yet. I know it’s 12 months old, but I hadn’t seen it before.

“The end of the COVID-19 pandemic” by John P. A. Ioannidis

Link

read that quickly, certainly has its own hoodoo

Binged hoodoo and ended up at
some tree-hugger’s site
which in spite of the treehugger is actually about rocks, and quite interesting.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

buffy said:

I haven’t read all of this yet. I know it’s 12 months old, but I hadn’t seen it before.

“The end of the COVID-19 pandemic” by John P. A. Ioannidis

Link

read that quickly, certainly has its own hoodoo

Binged hoodoo and ended up at
some tree-hugger’s site
which in spite of the treehugger is actually about rocks, and quite interesting.

What’s wrong with hugging trees?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

read that quickly, certainly has its own hoodoo

Binged hoodoo and ended up at
some tree-hugger’s site
which in spite of the treehugger is actually about rocks, and quite interesting.

What’s wrong with hugging trees?

I don’t know, what is wrong with hugging trees?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Binged hoodoo and ended up at
some tree-hugger’s site
which in spite of the treehugger is actually about rocks, and quite interesting.

What’s wrong with hugging trees?

I don’t know, what is wrong with hugging trees?

Nothing of course.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

What’s wrong with hugging trees?

I don’t know, what is wrong with hugging trees?

Nothing of course.

Except stinging trees of course.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t know, what is wrong with hugging trees?

Nothing of course.

Except stinging trees of course.

I want no part of hugging those.

buffy said:

I haven’t read all of this yet. I know it’s 12 months old, but I hadn’t seen it before.

“The end of the COVID-19 pandemic” by John P. A. Ioannidis

Link

> There are no widely accepted, quantitative definitions for the end of a pandemic such as COVID-19. The end of the pandemic due to a new virus and the transition to endemicity may be defined based on … Claiming a time-stamped end-date for the COVID-19 pandemic is precarious. There is no rigorously quantitative definition of pandemics, let alone their end.

Interesting. Vaccine and immunity do not suffice for a virus that mutates as this does.

According to a nephew of mine, there were four endemic strains of coronavirus circulating in humans before Covid hit, but coronavirus pre-Covid certainly didn’t qualify as a pandemic.

> Endemicity may still show major spikes of infections and seasonality, but typically less clinical burden. Death toll and ICU occupancy figures are also consistent with a transition to endemicity by end 2021/early 2022

In China, the death toll and ICU occupancy were more recent.

If we look at it in terms of number of cases, that’s still high.

In terms of death toll, for me the pandemic was still in FULL swing while some countries (other than the tiny ones) still registered a death toll of 10 deaths per million people per day. Let’s see.
17.6 deaths pmppd, Uruguay & Paraguay, 9 July 2021
11.9 deaths pmppd, Georgia, 19 Aug 2021
15.9 deaths pmppd, Bosnia, 6 Feb 2022
8.6 deaths pmppd, Georgia, 9 Mar 2022
6.4 deaths pmppd, Korea, 2 Apr 2022
5.0 deaths pmppd, Iceland, 27 Apr 2022
3.6 deaths pmppd, Greece, 5 May 2022

Ie. IMHO, we can’t claim that the pandemic even started to decline until the start of March 2022.

Recently, the data has become so unreliable that we can’t really say anything about the pandemic.

Deaths was the first thing to decline as the strains became less deadly, then hospitalised cases, and finally cases in general.

Let’s look at cases in general.

Still 650 new cases per million people per day in Austria on 2 Mar 2023.
That is not a negligible total.

Still 370 new cases pmppd and rising in Korea and Singapore on 7 Jun 2023. Which is today’s data.

No, in terms of number of cases the pandemic is still not over.

What happened to Science ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What happened to Science ?

Don’t you mean SCIENCE?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What happened to Science ?

he flirted with Faith.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What happened to Science ?

he flirted with Faith.

ten points.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What happened to Science ?

Don’t you mean SCIENCE?

COVID ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What happened to Science ?

Don’t you mean SCIENCE?

COVID ?

That may well be the answer.