Date: 19/06/2023 00:50:39
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2044680
Subject: White dwarf pulsar discovery confirms new class of star

Discovery of white dwarf pulsar sheds light on star evolution

White dwarfs are small, dense stars typically the size of a planet. They are formed when a star of low mass has burnt all its fuel, losing its outer layers. Sometimes referred to as “stellar fossils,” they offer insight into different aspects of star formation and evolution.

A rare type of white dwarf pulsar has been discovered for the second time only, in research led by the University of Warwick. White dwarf pulsars include a rapidly spinning, burnt-out stellar remnant called a white dwarf, which lashes its neighbor—a red dwarf—with powerful beams of electrical particles and radiation, causing the entire system to brighten and fade dramatically over regular intervals. This is owing to strong magnetic fields, but scientists are unsure what causes them.

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Date: 19/06/2023 13:34:56
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2044863
Subject: re: White dwarf pulsar discovery confirms new class of star

Pulsating white dwarfs exist, and are found along the same line of instability in the HR diagram as mira (long term variables) and RR Lyrae variables. They are known as ZZ Ceti type white dwarfs. Or type DAV.

It’s not clear from the OP whether it is these that are being referred to, because they don’t need an adjacent red dwarf in order to pulsate.

Indeed, pulsing white dwarfs were known before the first pulsars were discovered. The first pulsars were thought to be pulsating white dwarfs until observations proved otherwise.

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Date: 19/06/2023 15:43:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2044916
Subject: re: White dwarf pulsar discovery confirms new class of star

mollwollfumble said:


Pulsating white dwarfs exist, and are found along the same line of instability in the HR diagram as mira (long term variables) and RR Lyrae variables. They are known as ZZ Ceti type white dwarfs. Or type DAV.

It’s not clear from the OP whether it is these that are being referred to, because they don’t need an adjacent red dwarf in order to pulsate.

Indeed, pulsing white dwarfs were known before the first pulsars were discovered. The first pulsars were thought to be pulsating white dwarfs until observations proved otherwise.

> “White dwarf stars are the most common stellar fossils. When in binaries, they make up the dominant form of compact object binary within the Galaxy and can offer insight into different aspects of binary formation and evolution. One of the most remarkable white dwarf binary systems identified to date is AR Scorpii (AR Sco). AR Sco is composed of an M dwarf star and a rapidly spinning white dwarf in a 3.56 h orbit. It shows pulsed emission with a period of 1.97 min over a broad range of wavelengths, which led to it being known as a white dwarf pulsar. Both the pulse mechanism and the evolutionary origin of AR Sco provide challenges to theoretical models. Here we report the discovery of a sibling of AR Sco, J191213.72-441045.1, which harbours a white dwarf in a 4.03 h orbit with an M dwarf and exhibits pulsed emission with a period of 5.30 min. This discovery establishes binary white dwarf pulsars as a class and provides support for proposed formation models for white dwarf pulsars.”

It would have to be a very close binary to generate pulses in that way, but that’s certainly not impossible.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:00:51
From: Cymek
ID: 2044924
Subject: re: White dwarf pulsar discovery confirms new class of star

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

Pulsating white dwarfs exist, and are found along the same line of instability in the HR diagram as mira (long term variables) and RR Lyrae variables. They are known as ZZ Ceti type white dwarfs. Or type DAV.

It’s not clear from the OP whether it is these that are being referred to, because they don’t need an adjacent red dwarf in order to pulsate.

Indeed, pulsing white dwarfs were known before the first pulsars were discovered. The first pulsars were thought to be pulsating white dwarfs until observations proved otherwise.

> “White dwarf stars are the most common stellar fossils. When in binaries, they make up the dominant form of compact object binary within the Galaxy and can offer insight into different aspects of binary formation and evolution. One of the most remarkable white dwarf binary systems identified to date is AR Scorpii (AR Sco). AR Sco is composed of an M dwarf star and a rapidly spinning white dwarf in a 3.56 h orbit. It shows pulsed emission with a period of 1.97 min over a broad range of wavelengths, which led to it being known as a white dwarf pulsar. Both the pulse mechanism and the evolutionary origin of AR Sco provide challenges to theoretical models. Here we report the discovery of a sibling of AR Sco, J191213.72-441045.1, which harbours a white dwarf in a 4.03 h orbit with an M dwarf and exhibits pulsed emission with a period of 5.30 min. This discovery establishes binary white dwarf pulsars as a class and provides support for proposed formation models for white dwarf pulsars.”

It would have to be a very close binary to generate pulses in that way, but that’s certainly not impossible.

With us humans removed both in space and time what sort of error margin creeps in with our observations.
Is the theory in need of tweaking or can the observation be flawed because of the distance and our technological limitations.

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:18:40
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2044934
Subject: re: White dwarf pulsar discovery confirms new class of star

Cymek said:


mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Pulsating white dwarfs exist, and are found along the same line of instability in the HR diagram as mira (long term variables) and RR Lyrae variables. They are known as ZZ Ceti type white dwarfs. Or type DAV.

It’s not clear from the OP whether it is these that are being referred to, because they don’t need an adjacent red dwarf in order to pulsate.

Indeed, pulsing white dwarfs were known before the first pulsars were discovered. The first pulsars were thought to be pulsating white dwarfs until observations proved otherwise.

> “White dwarf stars are the most common stellar fossils. When in binaries, they make up the dominant form of compact object binary within the Galaxy and can offer insight into different aspects of binary formation and evolution. One of the most remarkable white dwarf binary systems identified to date is AR Scorpii (AR Sco). AR Sco is composed of an M dwarf star and a rapidly spinning white dwarf in a 3.56 h orbit. It shows pulsed emission with a period of 1.97 min over a broad range of wavelengths, which led to it being known as a white dwarf pulsar. Both the pulse mechanism and the evolutionary origin of AR Sco provide challenges to theoretical models. Here we report the discovery of a sibling of AR Sco, J191213.72-441045.1, which harbours a white dwarf in a 4.03 h orbit with an M dwarf and exhibits pulsed emission with a period of 5.30 min. This discovery establishes binary white dwarf pulsars as a class and provides support for proposed formation models for white dwarf pulsars.”

It would have to be a very close binary to generate pulses in that way, but that’s certainly not impossible.

With us humans removed both in space and time what sort of error margin creeps in with our observations.
Is the theory in need of tweaking or can the observation be flawed because of the distance and our technological limitations.

There are three methods to measure stars that I know of.

1 Distance to stars is measured by parallax

https://lco.global/spacebook/distance/parallax-and-distance-measurement/


Stellar parallax diagram, showing how the ‘nearby’ star appears to move against the distant ‘fixed’ stars when Earth is at different positions in its orbit around the Sun. Image credit: Alice Hopkinson, LCO

2 Measuring the Brightness of Stars
https://astrocamp.org/blog/brightness-of-stars/

We measure the brightness of these stars using the magnitude scale. The magnitude scale seems a little backwards. The lower the number, the brighter the object is; and the higher the number, the dimmer it is. This scale is logarithmic and set so that every 5 steps up equals a 100 times decrease in brightness.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/question224.htm
There is no direct method currently available to measure the distance to stars farther than 400 light years from Earth, so astronomers instead use brightness measurements. It turns out that a star’s color spectrum is a good indication of its actual brightness. The relationship between color and brightness was proven using the several thousand stars close enough to earth to have their distances measured directly. Astronomers can therefore look at a distant star and determine its color spectrum. From the color, they can determine the star’s actual brightness. By knowing the actual brightness and comparing it to the apparent brightness seen from Earth (that is, by looking at how dim the star has become once its light reaches Earth), they can determine the distance to the star.

3 Using Gravitational Lensing to Measure Age and Size of Universe
https://www.universetoday.com/58488/using-gravitational-lensing-to-measure-age-and-size-of-universe/

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Date: 19/06/2023 16:33:53
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2044946
Subject: re: White dwarf pulsar discovery confirms new class of star

Tau.Neutrino said:


Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

> “White dwarf stars are the most common stellar fossils. When in binaries, they make up the dominant form of compact object binary within the Galaxy and can offer insight into different aspects of binary formation and evolution. One of the most remarkable white dwarf binary systems identified to date is AR Scorpii (AR Sco). AR Sco is composed of an M dwarf star and a rapidly spinning white dwarf in a 3.56 h orbit. It shows pulsed emission with a period of 1.97 min over a broad range of wavelengths, which led to it being known as a white dwarf pulsar. Both the pulse mechanism and the evolutionary origin of AR Sco provide challenges to theoretical models. Here we report the discovery of a sibling of AR Sco, J191213.72-441045.1, which harbours a white dwarf in a 4.03 h orbit with an M dwarf and exhibits pulsed emission with a period of 5.30 min. This discovery establishes binary white dwarf pulsars as a class and provides support for proposed formation models for white dwarf pulsars.”

It would have to be a very close binary to generate pulses in that way, but that’s certainly not impossible.

With us humans removed both in space and time what sort of error margin creeps in with our observations.
Is the theory in need of tweaking or can the observation be flawed because of the distance and our technological limitations.

There are three methods to measure stars that I know of.

1 Distance to stars is measured by parallax

https://lco.global/spacebook/distance/parallax-and-distance-measurement/


Stellar parallax diagram, showing how the ‘nearby’ star appears to move against the distant ‘fixed’ stars when Earth is at different positions in its orbit around the Sun. Image credit: Alice Hopkinson, LCO

2 Measuring the Brightness of Stars
https://astrocamp.org/blog/brightness-of-stars/

We measure the brightness of these stars using the magnitude scale. The magnitude scale seems a little backwards. The lower the number, the brighter the object is; and the higher the number, the dimmer it is. This scale is logarithmic and set so that every 5 steps up equals a 100 times decrease in brightness.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/question224.htm
There is no direct method currently available to measure the distance to stars farther than 400 light years from Earth, so astronomers instead use brightness measurements. It turns out that a star’s color spectrum is a good indication of its actual brightness. The relationship between color and brightness was proven using the several thousand stars close enough to earth to have their distances measured directly. Astronomers can therefore look at a distant star and determine its color spectrum. From the color, they can determine the star’s actual brightness. By knowing the actual brightness and comparing it to the apparent brightness seen from Earth (that is, by looking at how dim the star has become once its light reaches Earth), they can determine the distance to the star.

3 Using Gravitational Lensing to Measure Age and Size of Universe
https://www.universetoday.com/58488/using-gravitational-lensing-to-measure-age-and-size-of-universe/

4th method is by using cepheid variable stars and supernovae

Cepheid variable stars and supernovae can be used to measure larger distances such as the distances between galaxies.

Cepheid Variable Stars, Supernovae and Distance Measurement
https://lco.global/spacebook/distance/cepheid-variable-stars-supernovae-and-distance-measurement/

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Date: 22/06/2023 04:14:48
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2046085
Subject: re: White dwarf pulsar discovery confirms new class of star

5th method

Astronomers propose novel method of measuring galaxy distances

Measuring galaxy distances using Cepheids, RR Lyrae (RR Lyr) stars and double-period RR Lyr stars.

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