MURDER SUICIDE

wookiemeister said:

MURDER SUICIDE

The CEO lured his victims to their doom, he was a titanic fanatic that wanted to be part of the story.

He’s driven the thing into the wreckage then pulled a lever killing everyone

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

MURDER SUICIDE

The CEO lured his victims to their doom, he was a titanic fanatic that wanted to be part of the story.

He’s driven the thing into the wreckage then pulled a lever killing everyone

Could have been AI or MI or AC.

Tau.Neutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

MURDER SUICIDE

The CEO lured his victims to their doom, he was a titanic fanatic that wanted to be part of the story.

He’s driven the thing into the wreckage then pulled a lever killing everyone

Could have been AI or MI or AC.

I’m going with Despair Squid.

No

He’s deliberately killed himself and everyone else

Everyone on board has a story, like the film

He wanted to be part of the legend of titanic

He’s pulled a MH370

German wings

I shall use this as the goodnight thread.

Hopefully I’ll wake up to good news on this tomorrow. Goodnight.

Where was Nero when you needed him.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Where was Nero when you needed him.

on the bog.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Where was Nero when you needed him.

on the bog.

Cant cut corners like that.

Shit happens.

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Where was Nero when you needed him.

on the bog.

Cant cut corners like that.

Shit happens.

Were they training in simulations ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

on the bog.

Cant cut corners like that.

Shit happens.

Were they training in simulations ?

What was the training covering?

Nero?

dv said:

Nero?

He was fiddling with the ballast, or something…

Ah well, they probably died within seconds so that’s a mercy.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

The CEO lured his victims to their doom, he was a titanic fanatic that wanted to be part of the story.

He’s driven the thing into the wreckage then pulled a lever killing everyone

Could have been AI or MI or AC.

I’m going with Despair Squid.

LOL. Despair Squid makes more sense than the other theories.

Flying Lady Doctor Says | تقول الطبيبة | 🇮🇶
@LadyDoctorSays
Nothing abt the Titan is worthy of note.

It was hastily & shoddily assembled w/untested materials & eschewed all accepted safety standards for profit.

It’s not the world’s first submersible. It’s nowhere close to the deepest diver.

Let me tell you about the Deepsea Challenger.

https://twitter.com/LadyDoctorSays/status/1671700989429297152
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good rant.

dv said:

Wonder if he had time to think, “Shucks, the critics were right, I was wrong.”

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Wonder if he had time to think, “Shucks, the critics were right, I was wrong.”

Maybe before the implosion, certainly not after.
At least the didn’t die slowly of suffocation.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Wonder if he had time to think, “Shucks, the critics were right, I was wrong.”

Nup.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Wonder if he had time to think, “Shucks, the critics were right, I was wrong.”

Nup.

He died never knowing how stupid he was.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Wonder if he had time to think, “Shucks, the critics were right, I was wrong.”

Nup.

He died never knowing how stupid he was.

As do most Darwin award winners.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Wonder if he had time to think, “Shucks, the critics were right, I was wrong.”

Nup.

He died never knowing how stupid he was.

It is just a shame that he took 4 others with him. I feel for the teenager, saw an interview with his aunt (I think) yesterday, she said he was uneasy about doing it but went along to please his father.

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Nup.

He died never knowing how stupid he was.

It is just a shame that he took 4 others with him. I feel for the teenager, saw an interview with his aunt (I think) yesterday, she said he was uneasy about doing it but went along to please his father.

Luckily, they too didn’t see their fate coming. Apparently the implosion was around 33 microseconds – way faster than we can think anything.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

He died never knowing how stupid he was.

It is just a shame that he took 4 others with him. I feel for the teenager, saw an interview with his aunt (I think) yesterday, she said he was uneasy about doing it but went along to please his father.

Luckily, they too didn’t see their fate coming. Apparently the implosion was around 33 microseconds – way faster than we can think anything.

Might have been some ominous noises and vibrations before it all failed.

If the Titanic tour business continues, then at least the potential customers are going to be asking A LOT MORE questions about construction standards, testing, certification etc. etc.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

It is just a shame that he took 4 others with him. I feel for the teenager, saw an interview with his aunt (I think) yesterday, she said he was uneasy about doing it but went along to please his father.

Luckily, they too didn’t see their fate coming. Apparently the implosion was around 33 microseconds – way faster than we can think anything.

Might have been some ominous noises and vibrations before it all failed.

They say most likely not. At that pressure there is no “slow leak” scenario. It either works or it fails instantaneously.

bit of an insensitive OP

whatever re technical of physics, guess some derating failure, to do with deformation stress shift of carbon fibre cylinder, be some non-linear parameters or whatever coefficients, I don’t know proper words, that’s if it didn’t bump into something, was straightforward crush

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Luckily, they too didn’t see their fate coming. Apparently the implosion was around 33 microseconds – way faster than we can think anything.

Might have been some ominous noises and vibrations before it all failed.

They say most likely not. At that pressure there is no “slow leak” scenario. It either works or it fails instantaneously.

Oh well.

In the movie version they’d need some ominous noises and vibrations to build the suspense, if only briefly.

transition said:

bit of an insensitive OP

whatever re technical of physics, guess some derating failure, to do with deformation stress shift of carbon fibre cylinder, be some non-linear parameters or whatever coefficients, I don’t know proper words, that’s if it didn’t bump into something, was straightforward crush

They seem to imply it didn’t happen at the wreck but on the way down.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Might have been some ominous noises and vibrations before it all failed.

They say most likely not. At that pressure there is no “slow leak” scenario. It either works or it fails instantaneously.

Oh well.

In the movie version they’d need some ominous noises and vibrations to build the suspense, if only briefly.

I wonder if James Cameron would direct it. He seems to have been a quite vocal critic. The man does know a thing or two about deep diving.

Peak Warming Man said:

transition said:

bit of an insensitive OP

whatever re technical of physics, guess some derating failure, to do with deformation stress shift of carbon fibre cylinder, be some non-linear parameters or whatever coefficients, I don’t know proper words, that’s if it didn’t bump into something, was straightforward crush

They seem to imply it didn’t happen at the wreck but on the way down.

Yes, it hadn’t got there yet. It took at least two hours to get down there and they disappeared at about one and half hours.

just reading this while finishes late lunch

https://material-properties.org/carbon-fiber-density-strength-melting-point/

ChrispenEvan said:

LOL

I don’t know much about submersible engineering but I know quite a bit about physics and a few things occur to me.
Carbon fibre composites have very high tensile strength and that makes it great for a cylinder where the greater pressure is inside, as is the case in space vehicles.
When the greater pressure is outside, the more important factors will be shear strength, compressive strength, rotational stiffness. Above a certain scale, any kind of divot, groove, hole, any sharp change in shape can be a point of weakness.

dv said:

I don’t know much about submersible engineering but I know quite a bit about physics and a few things occur to me.
Carbon fibre composites have very high tensile strength and that makes it great for a cylinder where the greater pressure is inside, as is the case in space vehicles.
When the greater pressure is outside, the more important factors will be shear strength, compressive strength, rotational stiffness. Above a certain scale, any kind of divot, groove, hole, any sharp change in shape can be a point of weakness.

I wonder if anyone has tried to write a code for a craft at those depths?

dv said:

I don’t know much about submersible engineering but I know quite a bit about physics and a few things occur to me.
Carbon fibre composites have very high tensile strength and that makes it great for a cylinder where the greater pressure is inside, as is the case in space vehicles.
When the greater pressure is outside, the more important factors will be shear strength, compressive strength, rotational stiffness. Above a certain scale, any kind of divot, groove, hole, any sharp change in shape can be a point of weakness.

Yes I noticed that also. I was assuming that there was an inner wall that was not part of the pressure structure, if they are drilling holes in it and bolting on computer monitors and such.

party_pants said:

dv said:

I don’t know much about submersible engineering but I know quite a bit about physics and a few things occur to me.
Carbon fibre composites have very high tensile strength and that makes it great for a cylinder where the greater pressure is inside, as is the case in space vehicles.
When the greater pressure is outside, the more important factors will be shear strength, compressive strength, rotational stiffness. Above a certain scale, any kind of divot, groove, hole, any sharp change in shape can be a point of weakness.

Yes I noticed that also. I was assuming that there was an inner wall that was not part of the pressure structure, if they are drilling holes in it and bolting on computer monitors and such.

I guess that’s possible though that looks like a composite surface, basically the same texture as the exterior, and if you’re just building an inner non-structural shell to screw monitors to, it would be a bit extra to make that out of carbon fibre composite as well.

dv said:

I don’t know much about submersible engineering but I know quite a bit about physics and a few things occur to me.
Carbon fibre composites have very high tensile strength and that makes it great for a cylinder where the greater pressure is inside, as is the case in space vehicles.
When the greater pressure is outside, the more important factors will be shear strength, compressive strength, rotational stiffness. Above a certain scale, any kind of divot, groove, hole, any sharp change in shape can be a point of weakness.

In a morbid way, their response to rational criticism was fair enough. They chose rapid innovation and it quickly revealed fatal flaws.

>In a 2019 company blog post, OceanGate criticized the third-party certification process as one that is time-consuming and stifles innovation.

“Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation,” the post said.

https://apnews.com/article/titan-titanic-submersible-design-49b8c2a713f316ce5987a394a27d23e8

Call me a killjoy but I see no reason to send people down to such depths anyway. Robot machines are far more sensible and far more useful.

Bubblecar said:

Call me a killjoy but I see no reason to send people down to such depths anyway. Robot machines are far more sensible and far more useful.

Concur. It’s sign-reversed Everest tourism.

Bubblecar said:

Call me a killjoy but I see no reason to send people down to such depths anyway. Robot machines are far more sensible and far more useful.

you killjoy!

Bubblecar said:

Call me a killjoy but I see no reason to send people down to such depths anyway. Robot machines are far more sensible and far more useful.

I remember telling the people at my table at a black tie dinner how on one trip down to the Titanic I had to face slap a chap who panicked, how I had to hold him own till were at the surface again and everyone was safe.
If they start using robot machines I wont be able to tell stories like that any more.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Call me a killjoy but I see no reason to send people down to such depths anyway. Robot machines are far more sensible and far more useful.

I remember telling the people at my table at a black tie dinner how on one trip down to the Titanic I had to face slap a chap who panicked, how I had to hold him own till were at the surface again and everyone was safe.
If they start using robot machines I wont be able to tell stories like that any more.

Just tell the stories in a Yorkshire accent, the kids of today will believe it.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Call me a killjoy but I see no reason to send people down to such depths anyway. Robot machines are far more sensible and far more useful.

I remember telling the people at my table at a black tie dinner how on one trip down to the Titanic I had to face slap a chap who panicked, how I had to hold him own till were at the surface again and everyone was safe.
If they start using robot machines I wont be able to tell stories like that any more.

I was comfortably ensconsed with a large scotch in the first class lounge, mid-ship on A-Deck, when the vessel went down, 1912.

It was no great hardship to make my way deckwards and flutter to the surface, thence to grasp hold of some flotsam and await rescue.

People seem to have lost these simple skills due to inordinate government pampering and misplaced welfare nonsense.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Call me a killjoy but I see no reason to send people down to such depths anyway. Robot machines are far more sensible and far more useful.

I remember telling the people at my table at a black tie dinner how on one trip down to the Titanic I had to face slap a chap who panicked, how I had to hold him own till were at the surface again and everyone was safe.
If they start using robot machines I wont be able to tell stories like that any more.

I was comfortably ensconsed with a large scotch in the first class lounge, mid-ship on A-Deck, when the vessel went down, 1912.

It was no great hardship to make my way deckwards and flutter to the surface, thence to grasp hold of some flotsam and await rescue.

People seem to have lost these simple skills due to inordinate government pampering and misplaced welfare nonsense.

ensconsed = ensconced

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I don’t know much about submersible engineering but I know quite a bit about physics and a few things occur to me.
Carbon fibre composites have very high tensile strength and that makes it great for a cylinder where the greater pressure is inside, as is the case in space vehicles.
When the greater pressure is outside, the more important factors will be shear strength, compressive strength, rotational stiffness. Above a certain scale, any kind of divot, groove, hole, any sharp change in shape can be a point of weakness.

In a morbid way, their response to rational criticism was fair enough. They chose rapid innovation and it quickly revealed fatal flaws.

>In a 2019 company blog post, OceanGate criticized the third-party certification process as one that is time-consuming and stifles innovation.

“Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation,” the post said.

https://apnews.com/article/titan-titanic-submersible-design-49b8c2a713f316ce5987a394a27d23e8

Seems to be his standard response to any criticism: “you’re suppressing innovation”. Seems the classic narcissist response: “I can make up my own rules because I’m special, and I’m better than you”. But you can’t innovate your way around the laws of physics. The laws of physics will always be, innovation is working around the laws of physics, it is working with them. The decades of experience the rest of the deep ocean community had worked out how to do things properly and safely. The standards are not about stiffing innovation, it is the accrued wisdom of many decades of innovation.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

I don’t know much about submersible engineering but I know quite a bit about physics and a few things occur to me.
Carbon fibre composites have very high tensile strength and that makes it great for a cylinder where the greater pressure is inside, as is the case in space vehicles.
When the greater pressure is outside, the more important factors will be shear strength, compressive strength, rotational stiffness. Above a certain scale, any kind of divot, groove, hole, any sharp change in shape can be a point of weakness.

In a morbid way, their response to rational criticism was fair enough. They chose rapid innovation and it quickly revealed fatal flaws.

>In a 2019 company blog post, OceanGate criticized the third-party certification process as one that is time-consuming and stifles innovation.

“Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation,” the post said.

https://apnews.com/article/titan-titanic-submersible-design-49b8c2a713f316ce5987a394a27d23e8

Seems to be his standard response to any criticism: “you’re suppressing innovation”. Seems the classic narcissist response: “I can make up my own rules because I’m special, and I’m better than you”. But you can’t innovate your way around the laws of physics. The laws of physics will always be, innovation is NOT working around the laws of physics, it is working with them. The decades of experience the rest of the deep ocean community had worked out how to do things properly and safely. The standards are not about stiffing innovation, it is the accrued wisdom of many decades of innovation.

What happens to a person’s body when a submarine implodes?

https://youtu.be/yHD6D612nXI

Link

AussieDJ said:

What happens to a person’s body when a submarine implodes?

https://youtu.be/yHD6D612nXI

Link

Not sure I want to watch.

AussieDJ said:

What happens to a person’s body when a submarine implodes?

https://youtu.be/yHD6D612nXI

Link

So they basically turned into nasty toothpaste.

They should have called it The Nasty Toothpaste Tour of the Titanic.

anyone interested in the sort of instantaneous effect of rapid decompression might find the Byford Dolphin diving accident of interest to read. Particularly the coroners report

Arts said:

anyone interested in the sort of instantaneous effect of rapid decompression might find the Byford Dolphin diving accident of interest to read. Particularly the coroners report

Yeah I read that before, one of the nastier ways to die, the hatch opening they were pushed through was small compared to the human body

Bubblecar said:

AussieDJ said:

What happens to a person’s body when a submarine implodes?

https://youtu.be/yHD6D612nXI

Link

So they basically turned into nasty toothpaste.

They should have called it The Nasty Toothpaste Tour of the Titanic.

Well, now there’s two things to see down there. The Titanic site and the Toothpaste site.

Cymek said:

Arts said:

anyone interested in the sort of instantaneous effect of rapid decompression might find the Byford Dolphin diving accident of interest to read. Particularly the coroners report

Yeah I read that before, one of the nastier ways to die, the hatch opening they were pushed through was small compared to the human body

That sort of thing happened to a passenger on an Air France flight.

20 minutes of knowing you are going to die if the transcript is true

roughbarked said:

20 minutes of knowing you are going to die if the transcript is true

bump. This is: “LEAKED Titan Sub Transcript Shows Crew In Battle For Lives”

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

20 minutes of knowing you are going to die if the transcript is true

bump. This is: “LEAKED Titan Sub Transcript Shows Crew In Battle For Lives”

I’m dubious

dv said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

20 minutes of knowing you are going to die if the transcript is true

bump. This is: “LEAKED Titan Sub Transcript Shows Crew In Battle For Lives”

I’m dubious

Well, so far there has been no such official announcement.

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Nup.

He died never knowing how stupid he was.

It is just a shame that he took 4 others with him. I feel for the teenager, saw an interview with his aunt (I think) yesterday, she said he was uneasy about doing it but went along to please his father.

an interview I saw from the mum said that he wasn’t going along to please his father, that he was as interested in going as well – though the father was definitely the fanatic

Based on current, information I would have advised them not to go.

https://youtu.be/RJQPthD9rx8

LegalEagle: OceanGate lawsuit

SCIENCE said:

No need to search¡

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/k2-summit-death_n_64d9d415e4b040e7d4a683f9