Date: 27/06/2023 06:05:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2048161
Subject: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

Provocative piece from the Skeptical Inquirer by Jerry Coyne and Luana Maroja, covering a range of biology topics they feel are under threat.

SUMMARY: Biology faces a grave threat from “progressive” politics that are changing the way our work is done, delimiting areas of biology that are taboo and will not be funded by the government or published in scientific journals, stipulating what words biologists must avoid in their writing, and decreeing how biology is taught to students and communicated to other scientists and the public through the technical and popular press. We wrote this article not to argue that biology is dead, but to show how ideology is poisoning it. The science that has brought us so much progress and understanding—from the structure of DNA to the green revolution and the design of COVID-19 vaccines—is endangered by political dogma strangling our essential tradition of open research and scientific communication. And because much of what we discuss occurs within academic science, where many scientists are too cowed to speak their minds, the public is largely unfamiliar with these issues. Sadly, by the time they become apparent to everyone, it might be too late.

Full Article – The Ideological Subversion of Biology

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:23:08
From: transition
ID: 2048201
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

I read some way into that, i’m not sure if you took away the naive appeal, that it would be what it first appears to be, or might appear to be

me ‘pinion is all

probably covid-19 was developed out of curiosity, killed and maimed a few that did, nice introduction to gene therapy technology, killed and maimed not a few also

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:24:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2048202
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


I read some way into that, i’m not sure if you took away the naive appeal, that it would be what it first appears to be, or might appear to be

me ‘pinion is all

probably covid-19 was developed out of curiosity, killed and maimed a few that did, nice introduction to gene therapy technology, killed and maimed not a few also

Not a few.. So.. only a couple then?

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:26:08
From: transition
ID: 2048203
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


I read some way into that, i’m not sure if you took away the naive appeal, that it would be what it first appears to be, or might appear to be

me ‘pinion is all

probably covid-19 was developed out of curiosity, killed and maimed a few that did, nice introduction to gene therapy technology, killed and maimed not a few also

of a broader issue, the big picture, out of my and most peoples’ humble control – parochial folk – as they point to and say in marketing, you are the product being sold

it’s moral poison, corrupting

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:26:32
From: transition
ID: 2048204
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

roughbarked said:


transition said:

I read some way into that, i’m not sure if you took away the naive appeal, that it would be what it first appears to be, or might appear to be

me ‘pinion is all

probably covid-19 was developed out of curiosity, killed and maimed a few that did, nice introduction to gene therapy technology, killed and maimed not a few also

Not a few.. So.. only a couple then?

not a few means many, can mean many

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:31:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048206
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


I read some way into that, i’m not sure if you took away the naive appeal, that it would be what it first appears to be, or might appear to be

me ‘pinion is all

probably covid-19 was developed out of curiosity, killed and maimed a few that did, nice introduction to gene therapy technology, killed and maimed not a few also

Evolution does that.

Although in the case of humans, not nearly as much as it used to in pre-worldist days.

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:32:14
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048207
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


transition said:

I read some way into that, i’m not sure if you took away the naive appeal, that it would be what it first appears to be, or might appear to be

me ‘pinion is all

probably covid-19 was developed out of curiosity, killed and maimed a few that did, nice introduction to gene therapy technology, killed and maimed not a few also

of a broader issue, the big picture, out of my and most peoples’ humble control – parochial folk – as they point to and say in marketing, you are the product being sold

it’s moral poison, corrupting

What is?

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:48:13
From: transition
ID: 2048211
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

transition said:

I read some way into that, i’m not sure if you took away the naive appeal, that it would be what it first appears to be, or might appear to be

me ‘pinion is all

probably covid-19 was developed out of curiosity, killed and maimed a few that did, nice introduction to gene therapy technology, killed and maimed not a few also

of a broader issue, the big picture, out of my and most peoples’ humble control – parochial folk – as they point to and say in marketing, you are the product being sold

it’s moral poison, corrupting

What is?

consider humans as the product

where do you think things are going, what are people in the future, and now arguably, already being medicalized into overkill

the posthuman world is underway, the loathing of even basic essentialism is well-progressed

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:56:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048213
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

of a broader issue, the big picture, out of my and most peoples’ humble control – parochial folk – as they point to and say in marketing, you are the product being sold

it’s moral poison, corrupting

What is?

consider humans as the product

where do you think things are going, what are people in the future, and now arguably, already being medicalized into overkill

the posthuman world is underway, the loathing of even basic essentialism is well-progressed

The posthuman world is not underway, at least no more so than for a few tens of thousands of years, and I have no idea what basic essentialism is.

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Date: 27/06/2023 10:56:40
From: transition
ID: 2048214
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

of a broader issue, the big picture, out of my and most peoples’ humble control – parochial folk – as they point to and say in marketing, you are the product being sold

it’s moral poison, corrupting

What is?

consider humans as the product

where do you think things are going, what are people in the future, and now arguably, already being medicalized into overkill

the posthuman world is underway, the loathing of even basic essentialism is well-progressed

there ya goes, has a read..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essentialism

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Date: 27/06/2023 11:01:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048221
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What is?

consider humans as the product

where do you think things are going, what are people in the future, and now arguably, already being medicalized into overkill

the posthuman world is underway, the loathing of even basic essentialism is well-progressed

there ya goes, has a read..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essentialism

Shrug, it’s seems a very unhelpful term, being so vaguely defined as to be something between an utterly obvious but trivial truth to complete nonsense.

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Date: 27/06/2023 11:46:01
From: transition
ID: 2048232
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

transition said:

consider humans as the product

where do you think things are going, what are people in the future, and now arguably, already being medicalized into overkill

the posthuman world is underway, the loathing of even basic essentialism is well-progressed

there ya goes, has a read..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essentialism

Shrug, it’s seems a very unhelpful term, being so vaguely defined as to be something between an utterly obvious but trivial truth to complete nonsense.

probably not a bad starting point

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Date: 27/06/2023 12:54:43
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2048252
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

there ya goes, has a read..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essentialism

Shrug, it’s seems a very unhelpful term, being so vaguely defined as to be something between an utterly obvious but trivial truth to complete nonsense.

probably not a bad starting point

Seems to me it is a bad starting point.

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Date: 27/06/2023 13:12:21
From: transition
ID: 2048257
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Shrug, it’s seems a very unhelpful term, being so vaguely defined as to be something between an utterly obvious but trivial truth to complete nonsense.

probably not a bad starting point

Seems to me it is a bad starting point.

how about starting point then, minus the good or bad from the proposition, plenty scope for improvement, something to work with

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Date: 27/06/2023 18:20:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2048332
Subject: re: The Ideological Subversion of Biology

Bubblecar said:


Provocative piece from the Skeptical Inquirer by Jerry Coyne and Luana Maroja, covering a range of biology topics they feel are under threat.

SUMMARY: Biology faces a grave threat from “progressive” politics that are changing the way our work is done, delimiting areas of biology that are taboo and will not be funded by the government or published in scientific journals, stipulating what words biologists must avoid in their writing, and decreeing how biology is taught to students and communicated to other scientists and the public through the technical and popular press. We wrote this article not to argue that biology is dead, but to show how ideology is poisoning it. The science that has brought us so much progress and understanding—from the structure of DNA to the green revolution and the design of COVID-19 vaccines—is endangered by political dogma strangling our essential tradition of open research and scientific communication. And because much of what we discuss occurs within academic science, where many scientists are too cowed to speak their minds, the public is largely unfamiliar with these issues. Sadly, by the time they become apparent to everyone, it might be too late.

Full Article – The Ideological Subversion of Biology

Yep. I have a lot of trouble with what I call gatekeepers. People who decide what can and can’t be published. If these people are objective and energetic and altruistic then all is good. But far more often the people are self-interested in money and political power, with pet projects, and a lot of the best scence gets lost.

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