Date: 24/07/2023 15:21:43
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057567
Subject: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

In short: Antarctic sea ice has usually been able to recover in winter. But this year, sea ice has not returned to expected levels during winter
What’s next? Experts say if the sea ice trend continues, it will accelerate the warming of the planet.

This winter has confirmed what scientists had feared — the sea ice around Antarctica is in sharp decline, with experts now concerned it may not recover.

Earlier this year, scientists observed an all-time low in the amount of sea ice around the icy continent, following all-time lows in 2016, 2017 and 2022.

Usually, the ice has been able to recover in winter, when Antarctica is reliably dark and cold.

But this year is different. For the first time, the sea ice extent has been unable to substantially recover this winter, leaving scientists baffled.

Physical oceanographer Edward Doddridge has been communicating with scientists and the community about the drastic changes happening around Antarctica.

He said vast regions of the Antarctic coastline were ice free for the first time in the observational record.

“To say unprecedented isn’t strong enough,” Dr Doddridge said.

“For those of you who are interested in statistics, this is a five-sigma event. So it’s five standard deviations beyond the mean. Which means that if nothing had changed, we’d expect to see a winter like this about once every 7.5 million years.

Sea ice is important for a number of reasons.

First, it helps regulate Earth’s temperature through something called ice-albedo feedback, where the ice reflects the Sun’s heat back into space, helping to regulate the temperature of the planet.

“If there’s less ice, then the sunlight that hits the ocean’s surface is absorbed instead of being reflected out into space,” Dr Doddridge said.

“That accelerates the warming in that area, and that warmth then gets carried around to the rest of the world.”


One expert says a further change in the balance could trigger a tipping point, and that “we might end up in a new state”. (Supplied: Australian Antarctic Division)

Second, the annual cycle of freeze and melt drives global currents that transport nutrient-rich water into the rest of the ocean, feeding ecosystems.

The ice is also a habitat for animals such as penguins and seals, and is essential for smaller creatures such as krill, which feed on the algae underneath the ice during winter.

Scientists are now scrambling to work out what is causing the dip. Is it natural variability? Or is climate change responsible?

Dr Doddridge said it was more likely the latter.

“There are people saying it could be natural variability,” he said. “Absolutely we can’t conclusively rule it out yet. But it’s very unlikely.”

“It is most definitely a window into the future.

“We know that this is what the world is going to look like as it warms.

“It may be that next winter it comes back. We can hope. I don’t know that it will.”

On top of that, scientists do not know where the change is coming from — the seas or the atmosphere.

Dr Doddridge believes it is due to changes in sea temperatures — but Petra Heil, a sea ice physicist from the Australian Antarctic Division, is of the opinion it is due to a combination of both changes in the atmosphere and warming seas.

“The whole system that we are looking at, we know it’s strongly coupled,” Dr Heil said.

“Any change in any of the components, even in a region far away or it might be close by in the region that you are studying, is coupled to the whole system.

“We know that there’s a lot more energy at the moment in our weather systems, so they obviously can contribute extensively to moving the sea ice and also be bringing different thermodynamic regimes to the sea ice.”


Sea ice physicist from the Australian Antarctic Division, Dr Petra Heil.

But Dr Heil agreed with Dr Doddridge that the root cause most likely originated from human activity.

“The consensus statement at the moment would be that this is largely anthropogenic forces that have caused the ocean to warm, for the atmosphere to be highly disturbed and to affect the sea ice,” she said.

Either way, she fears a further change in the balance could trigger a tipping point from where it’s difficult to reverse the trajectory.

“We might end up in a new state,” she said.

“That would be quite concerning to the sustainability of human conditions on Earth, I suspect.

“I think a lot of people have the time line too long out, saying this won’t affect them. I’m pretty convinced that this is something my generation will experience.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-24/antarctic-sea-ice-levels-nosedive-five-sigma-event/102635204

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Date: 24/07/2023 15:24:25
From: The-Spectator
ID: 2057568
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Oh PF, lies that you spread
Everything will be fine

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Date: 24/07/2023 15:36:07
From: Cymek
ID: 2057572
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

What sort of minimum temperature difference could cause this.
On the scale of things humanity hasn’t raised the temperature that much but it has a huge effect on the climate so you could imagine even a partial rise of part of one degree could cause this problem.

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Date: 24/07/2023 15:37:21
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057574
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

The-Spectator said:


Oh PF, lies that you spread
Everything will be fine

For the sake of humanity, people like you should be drowned.

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Date: 24/07/2023 15:49:33
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057576
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Cymek said:


What sort of minimum temperature difference could cause this.
On the scale of things humanity hasn’t raised the temperature that much but it has a huge effect on the climate so you could imagine even a partial rise of part of one degree could cause this problem.

We are on the verge of a giant tipping point that will quickly send us on temperature increases that we cannot reverse, ANY temperature increase will draw us closer to that point. The situation already is not going to be reversed with the proposed reductions of co2 and methane. What we have now will last for hundreds of not thousands of years, we are entering the NEW NORM and it will get worse no matter what we do. A sixth mass extinction is no minor matter and that is likely unless we stop producing greenhouse gasses immediately and do everything we can to extract these gasses from the atmosphere.

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Date: 24/07/2023 16:27:03
From: The-Spectator
ID: 2057588
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

PermeateFree said:


The-Spectator said:

Oh PF, lies that you spread
Everything will be fine

For the sake of humanity, people like you should be drowned.

Oh PF I have a yacht I won’t drown
You will drown in your lies

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Date: 24/07/2023 16:38:53
From: The-Spectator
ID: 2057595
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Look at this PF
What say you

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Date: 24/07/2023 16:41:28
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057597
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

The-Spectator said:


PermeateFree said:

The-Spectator said:

Oh PF, lies that you spread
Everything will be fine

For the sake of humanity, people like you should be drowned.

Oh PF I have a yacht I won’t drown
You will drown in your lies

Unfortunately for life on this planet, there are too many people like you which is why I think we are fucked.

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Date: 24/07/2023 16:44:26
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2057599
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

The-Spectator said:

Look at this PF
What say you

Wait are the experts blaming all this hot air on Forum contributions again¿

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Date: 24/07/2023 16:49:06
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057604
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

SCIENCE said:

The-Spectator said:

Look at this PF
What say you

Wait are the experts blaming all this hot air on Forum contributions again¿

You don’t have a clue about science and the way it works, you are just an ignorant fool, too dumb to listen to the people who study global warming and associated subjects who have been crying out for years about its dangers, but being an idiot, you just don’t understand.

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Date: 24/07/2023 16:49:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2057605
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

The-Spectator said:

Look at this PF
What say you

Wait are the experts blaming all this hot air on Forum contributions again¿

You don’t have a clue about science and the way it works, you are just an ignorant fool, too dumb to listen to the people who study global warming and associated subjects who have been crying out for years about its dangers, but being an idiot, you just don’t understand.

Why Is The-Spectator Blaming Japan Then¿

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Date: 24/07/2023 16:51:33
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057606
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

Wait are the experts blaming all this hot air on Forum contributions again¿

You don’t have a clue about science and the way it works, you are just an ignorant fool, too dumb to listen to the people who study global warming and associated subjects who have been crying out for years about its dangers, but being an idiot, you just don’t understand.

Why Is The-Spectator Blaming Japan Then¿

Go away idiot or at least consult with your master, you mindless fool.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:05:22
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2057609
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

PermeateFree said:


The-Spectator said:

PermeateFree said:

For the sake of humanity, people like you should be drowned.

Oh PF I have a yacht I won’t drown
You will drown in your lies

Unfortunately for life on this planet, there are too many people like you which is why I think we are fucked.

I expect this Spectator is Cymek having some fun.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:10:42
From: Cymek
ID: 2057615
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Witty Rejoinder said:


PermeateFree said:

The-Spectator said:

Oh PF I have a yacht I won’t drown
You will drown in your lies

Unfortunately for life on this planet, there are too many people like you which is why I think we are fucked.

I expect this Spectator is Cymek having some fun.

I don’t have the sort of time I’m a public servant

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:17:50
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057618
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Witty Rejoinder said:


PermeateFree said:

The-Spectator said:

Oh PF I have a yacht I won’t drown
You will drown in your lies

Unfortunately for life on this planet, there are too many people like you which is why I think we are fucked.

I expect this Spectator is Cymek having some fun.

Maybe, but the subject is too serious for such frivolity and reflects an underlying opinion in this forum that I am just a load of hot-air, which is more than disappointing as I reflect the views of the many people (scientists) who have expressed similar views although mostly in a more conservative manner, as they must, due to their professional position, but the consensus is the same WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE. Really if you people are concerned you should at least support those who are trying to do something about it and not ignore them with a smirk.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:21:58
From: Cymek
ID: 2057623
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

PermeateFree said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

PermeateFree said:

Unfortunately for life on this planet, there are too many people like you which is why I think we are fucked.

I expect this Spectator is Cymek having some fun.

Maybe, but the subject is too serious for such frivolity and reflects an underlying opinion in this forum that I am just a load of hot-air, which is more than disappointing as I reflect the views of the many people (scientists) who have expressed similar views although mostly in a more conservative manner, as they must, due to their professional position, but the consensus is the same WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE. Really if you people are concerned you should at least support those who are trying to do something about it and not ignore them with a smirk.

In all seriousness one can see the world falling apart in front of us in more than one way.
I assume people feel hopeless about most if not all of it.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:26:08
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057625
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Cymek said:


PermeateFree said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

I expect this Spectator is Cymek having some fun.

Maybe, but the subject is too serious for such frivolity and reflects an underlying opinion in this forum that I am just a load of hot-air, which is more than disappointing as I reflect the views of the many people (scientists) who have expressed similar views although mostly in a more conservative manner, as they must, due to their professional position, but the consensus is the same WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE. Really if you people are concerned you should at least support those who are trying to do something about it and not ignore them with a smirk.

In all seriousness one can see the world falling apart in front of us in more than one way.
I assume people feel hopeless about most if not all of it.

You have always been interested and concerned about this topic and I only wish more people would feel the same, and be prepared to at least acknowledge the fact.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:27:05
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2057626
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

If only they painted roofs white

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:27:58
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057627
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

wookiemeister said:


If only they painted roofs white

Well that would solve everything!.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:34:57
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2057628
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

PermeateFree said:


wookiemeister said:

If only they painted roofs white

Well that would solve everything!.


It reflects a hell of a lot of energy back into space

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:36:40
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057630
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

wookiemeister said:


PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

If only they painted roofs white

Well that would solve everything!.


It reflects a hell of a lot of energy back into space

Like the melting snow and ice would have done. See the connection?

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:37:24
From: Cymek
ID: 2057631
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

wookiemeister said:


PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

If only they painted roofs white

Well that would solve everything!.


It reflects a hell of a lot of energy back into space

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:40:22
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2057635
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Cymek said:


wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Well that would solve everything!.


It reflects a hell of a lot of energy back into space

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:44:06
From: Cymek
ID: 2057639
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

ChrispenEvan said:


Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

It reflects a hell of a lot of energy back into space

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Exactly
Problem is no matter what, everyone still has to live on the planet, have some semblance of a life (happy if you are lucky) so are stuck as part of the machine doing all the damage.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:48:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2057641
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Cymek said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Cymek said:

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Exactly
Problem is no matter what, everyone still has to live on the planet, have some semblance of a life (happy if you are lucky) so are stuck as part of the machine doing all the damage.

do what you can in your life and if you have the extra time or money or energy then do more.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:50:14
From: Michael V
ID: 2057642
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

ChrispenEvan said:


Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

It reflects a hell of a lot of energy back into space

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Likely similar to any other paint one might choose to use. When we got the roof here repainted, we chose to replace the previous dark blue with a near-white colour.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:50:20
From: Cymek
ID: 2057643
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

ChrispenEvan said:


Cymek said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Exactly
Problem is no matter what, everyone still has to live on the planet, have some semblance of a life (happy if you are lucky) so are stuck as part of the machine doing all the damage.

do what you can in your life and if you have the extra time or money or energy then do more.

Pretty much

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:50:43
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2057645
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Cymek said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Cymek said:

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Exactly
Problem is no matter what, everyone still has to live on the planet, have some semblance of a life (happy if you are lucky) so are stuck as part of the machine doing all the damage.

It looks that way I must admit with so much disinterest. I can only think to spread the word of the dangers we are running into and not dumb them down into something that might just be an inconvenience, plus give your support to those who are doing something.

We must reduce demand and the way to do that is to reduce our global population.

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Date: 24/07/2023 17:54:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 2057648
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

ChrispenEvan said:


Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

It reflects a hell of a lot of energy back into space

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

We’d be better off with the ice.

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Date: 24/07/2023 18:13:51
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2057661
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Cymek said:

Every roof on the planet could equal whats lost from ice melting

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Likely similar to any other paint one might choose to use. When we got the roof here repainted, we chose to replace the previous dark blue with a near-white colour.

most people don’t have painted roofs.

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Date: 24/07/2023 18:16:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2057663
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Likely similar to any other paint one might choose to use. When we got the roof here repainted, we chose to replace the previous dark blue with a near-white colour.

most people don’t have painted roofs.

This is true. Though some have colourbond roofing.

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Date: 24/07/2023 18:48:47
From: Michael V
ID: 2057670
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

ChrispenEvan said:


Michael V said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I wonder what the carbon footprint would be making all that white paint, applying it and renewing it every so often.

Likely similar to any other paint one might choose to use. When we got the roof here repainted, we chose to replace the previous dark blue with a near-white colour.

most people don’t have painted roofs.

The roof here was Colorbond. It had faded, gone powdery and there were a few spots of rut just showing, so we got it repaired and painted.

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Date: 24/07/2023 18:51:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 2057671
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Michael V said:


ChrispenEvan said:

Michael V said:

Likely similar to any other paint one might choose to use. When we got the roof here repainted, we chose to replace the previous dark blue with a near-white colour.

most people don’t have painted roofs.

The roof here was Colorbond. It had faded, gone powdery and there were a few spots of rut just showing, so we got it repaired and painted.

Living near the sea. Roofing needs repair regularly.

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Date: 24/07/2023 19:14:14
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2057677
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

I had my roof repainted less than a year ago (?)

Special paint, made an appreciable difference

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Date: 24/07/2023 19:16:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2057681
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

wookiemeister said:


I had my roof repainted less than a year ago (?)

Special paint, made an appreciable difference

Did it keep the crazies away?

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Date: 24/07/2023 22:40:45
From: dv
ID: 2057720
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

IDK, seems to me that all the roofs in the world don’t even add up to a million sq km.

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Date: 24/07/2023 22:46:14
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2057724
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

dv said:


IDK, seems to me that all the roofs in the world don’t even add up to a million sq km.

What is the real figure?

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Date: 25/07/2023 01:43:11
From: dv
ID: 2057743
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Tau.Neutrino said:


dv said:

IDK, seems to me that all the roofs in the world don’t even add up to a million sq km.

What is the real figure?

I don’t know but to ball park it, in Australia if you’re living in a house there’s going to be about 45 sq m per person, and if you’re living in apartments it will be more like 10 sq m per person, so it might average to IDK 35 odd. Commercial space and public buildings typrically has more floors and hence less roof per sq m of floor space. It would surprising if there’s more than 60 sq m of roof altogether per person in Australia, and Australia would be one of the roofiest places in the world as most places have smaller homes and also more people in multilevel buildings. Even if it is as much as 50 sq m per person Globally that’s only 400000 sq km, which is not really significant compared to the existing amount of ice surface.

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Date: 25/07/2023 08:53:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 2057758
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

dv said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

IDK, seems to me that all the roofs in the world don’t even add up to a million sq km.

What is the real figure?

I don’t know but to ball park it, in Australia if you’re living in a house there’s going to be about 45 sq m per person, and if you’re living in apartments it will be more like 10 sq m per person, so it might average to IDK 35 odd. Commercial space and public buildings typrically has more floors and hence less roof per sq m of floor space. It would surprising if there’s more than 60 sq m of roof altogether per person in Australia, and Australia would be one of the roofiest places in the world as most places have smaller homes and also more people in multilevel buildings. Even if it is as much as 50 sq m per person Globally that’s only 400000 sq km, which is not really significant compared to the existing amount of ice surface.

That’s what I thought and just to make it even less significant. many people in Australia, a far larger component that live in less than 35sq m than those who live in more than 35sq m of space, actually live under 12sq m of space. So it makes wookie’s white roof concept a mere snowball.

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Date: 25/07/2023 21:58:36
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2058020
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

roughbarked said:


dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What is the real figure?

I don’t know but to ball park it, in Australia if you’re living in a house there’s going to be about 45 sq m per person, and if you’re living in apartments it will be more like 10 sq m per person, so it might average to IDK 35 odd. Commercial space and public buildings typrically has more floors and hence less roof per sq m of floor space. It would surprising if there’s more than 60 sq m of roof altogether per person in Australia, and Australia would be one of the roofiest places in the world as most places have smaller homes and also more people in multilevel buildings. Even if it is as much as 50 sq m per person Globally that’s only 400000 sq km, which is not really significant compared to the existing amount of ice surface.

That’s what I thought and just to make it even less significant. many people in Australia, a far larger component that live in less than 35sq m than those who live in more than 35sq m of space, actually live under 12sq m of space. So it makes wookie’s white roof concept a mere snowball.


Its well known to make buildings and urban areas much cooler

Less power needed to run air con

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Date: 25/07/2023 22:08:12
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2058021
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

wookiemeister said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

I don’t know but to ball park it, in Australia if you’re living in a house there’s going to be about 45 sq m per person, and if you’re living in apartments it will be more like 10 sq m per person, so it might average to IDK 35 odd. Commercial space and public buildings typrically has more floors and hence less roof per sq m of floor space. It would surprising if there’s more than 60 sq m of roof altogether per person in Australia, and Australia would be one of the roofiest places in the world as most places have smaller homes and also more people in multilevel buildings. Even if it is as much as 50 sq m per person Globally that’s only 400000 sq km, which is not really significant compared to the existing amount of ice surface.

That’s what I thought and just to make it even less significant. many people in Australia, a far larger component that live in less than 35sq m than those who live in more than 35sq m of space, actually live under 12sq m of space. So it makes wookie’s white roof concept a mere snowball.


Its well known to make buildings and urban areas much cooler

Less power needed to run air con


At 100 sq meters roof space you’d be reflecting half a billion kW

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Date: 25/07/2023 22:09:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2058023
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

wookiemeister said:


wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

That’s what I thought and just to make it even less significant. many people in Australia, a far larger component that live in less than 35sq m than those who live in more than 35sq m of space, actually live under 12sq m of space. So it makes wookie’s white roof concept a mere snowball.


Its well known to make buildings and urban areas much cooler

Less power needed to run air con


At 100 sq meters roof space you’d be reflecting half a billion kW

Assuming 10.6 million residences.

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Date: 25/07/2023 22:13:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2058025
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Even changing road surface from solid black to lighter grey will reflect more energy back into space.

Checking vehicles exhaust output to reduce soot will reduce pollution and reduce soot melting ice/ absorbing solar energy.

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Date: 26/07/2023 07:13:24
From: roughbarked
ID: 2058075
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

wookiemeister said:


wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

Its well known to make buildings and urban areas much cooler

Less power needed to run air con


At 100 sq meters roof space you’d be reflecting half a billion kW

Assuming 10.6 million residences.

In a smaller space like a city somewhere else.

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Date: 26/07/2023 20:04:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2058323
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

LOL

See how the global heatwave is playing out

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-26/hot-tub-temperatures-florida-ocean-and-wild-fires-across-greece/102649074

ah well luckily they call it abnormal, probably things will be fine

A heat wave, or heatwave, or extreme heat, is a period of abnormally hot weather.: 2911  It is often accompanied by high humidity, especially in oceanic climate countries. While definitions vary, a heat wave is usually measured relative to the usual climate in the area and relative to normal temperatures for the season.: 2911  Temperatures that people from a hotter climate consider normal can be called a heat wave in a cooler area if they are outside the normal climate pattern for that area. Heatwaves have become more frequent, and over land more intense, almost everywhere since the 1950s, due to climate change.

no progressive increase there¡

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Date: 2/08/2023 23:04:27
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2060899
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

i tend to have a fatalistic approach to this subject to this now

cities would be much cooler, less energy would have been consumed. newer white paints will absorb and then emit a frequency of infra red not absorbed by the atmosphere.

in the end its just easier to worry about yourself, i had the roof repainted with special white paint and its definitely cooler in the roof space. i look at the neighbours houses with their dark roofs and wonder if they are cooking inside .

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Date: 27/08/2023 16:50:16
From: dv
ID: 2069104
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Right now there is a 2 million sq km sea ice deficit in the Arctic and in the Arctic, which is somewhat unusual.

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Date: 15/09/2023 17:53:14
From: dv
ID: 2074960
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Looks like this will be the least icy Antarctic winter on record by quite a wide margin.

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Date: 15/09/2023 18:39:38
From: Kingy
ID: 2074984
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

dv said:


Looks like this will be the least icy Antarctic winter on record by quite a wide margin.

https://geographical.co.uk/news/emperor-penguin-colonies-could-be-wiped-out

“Tough they might be, but no emperor is invincible. As Antarctica heats up, so the crucial sea ice is melting faster and further. And this is bad news for the penguins nesting on the sea ice, because the down feathers on the chicks are not waterproof and so if the ice melts under them then the chicks simply drown or freeze. The situation is so bad that scientists have warned that 90 per cent of emperor penguin breeding colonies could be wiped out by the end of this century. “

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Date: 15/09/2023 19:05:04
From: poikilotherm
ID: 2074997
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet

Evening, it was 420 at the pharmacy today, all day, stoners were in to get their fix.

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Date: 27/09/2023 12:04:21
From: dv
ID: 2078887
Subject: re: Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet


On September 10, 2023, sea ice in the Antarctic reached an annual maximum extent of 16.96 million square kilometers (6.55 million square miles), setting a record low maximum in the satellite record that began in 1979 (Figure 1). This year’s maximum is 1.03 million square kilometers (398,000 square miles) below the previous record low set in 1986. It is also 1.75 million square kilometers below (676,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average Antarctic maximum extent. Sea ice extent is markedly below average north of Queen Maud Land and west of the Antarctic Peninsula. Other low areas include the Indian Ocean and Ross Sea. Extent is above average stretching out of the Amundsen Sea.

The Antarctic maximum extent is one of the earliest on record, having reached it 13 days earlier than the 1981 to 2010 median date of September 23. The interquartile range for the date of the Antarctic maximum is September 18 to September 30.

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