Date: 27/07/2023 19:04:44
From: party_pants
ID: 2058549
Subject: Hate Thread: Elon
Elon is a clown.
(just a loosener to test the grip)
Date: 27/07/2023 20:04:21
From: Ian
ID: 2058577
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
Elon is a clown.
(just a loosener to test the grip)
Like Trump the original, this thread is actually support for felon because they revel in the attention.
Oops.
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
Yeah, hate is a strong word…
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
This thread is specifically so you can avoid reading all the Elon hate.
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
call me when he puts a motorbike in orbit around the sun
Arts said:
call me when he puts a motorbike in orbit around the sun
ummm… electric or petrol motorbike?
ChrispenEvan said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
ChrispenEvan said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
So Basically All Car Manufacturers Put … Oh Wait
poikilotherm said:
ChrispenEvan said:
poikilotherm said:You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
But it’s not in mars’ orbit…
Elons car has completed about 3.6 orbits around the Sun since launch.
https://www.whereisroadster.com/
Kingy said:
Elons car has completed about 3.6 orbits around the Sun since launch.https://www.whereisroadster.com/
OK, is that the noise is all about… ?
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
Elons car has completed about 3.6 orbits around the Sun since launch.https://www.whereisroadster.com/
OK, is that the noise is all about… ?
Yeah, he gave it a crackle tune.
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
True. The arsehole is such an arsehole that the fraction would have to be far greater than 1 before sensible people would consider the arsehole a hero.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
True. The arsehole is such an arsehole that the fraction would have to be far greater than 1 before sensible people would consider the arsehole a hero.
Are you really a trolling idiot, because otherwise you give a very good imitation of one?
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
True. The arsehole is such an arsehole that the fraction would have to be far greater than 1 before sensible people would consider the arsehole a hero.
Are you really a trolling idiot, because otherwise you give a very good imitation of one?
We are experts at imitation¡
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
diddums.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Just more of your BS and trying to make yourself look intelligent.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
Cymek said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
There are conflicting reports on that. He’s a software engineer and some people who have worked for him report that he dives in and gets up to scratch on fluid dynamics etc so he can understand problems. Others have said that his vanity and tendency to chase thought-balloons can be disruptive (in a bad way) to managing projects. It is possible that both these things are true.
Cymek said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Do you really think he should act and behave like people here? He is different, he has insights and great courage to invest his money in these High-Tec ventures. There is no comparison.
Oh PF you fawning psychophant
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Do you really think he should act and behave like people here? He is different, he has insights and great courage to invest his money in these High-Tec ventures. There is no comparison.
To be fair constant attention seeking is tiring regardless of the person
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Do you really think he should act and behave like people here? He is different, he has insights and great courage to invest his money in these High-Tec ventures. There is no comparison.
To be fair constant attention seeking is tiring regardless of the person
Look, the media are interested in this guy and follow him around to get a story. I dare say if you were the richest man in the world with a shedload of high-tec businesses and ideas, plus the money to put them into operation, then they would be hanging on your every word too.
party_pants said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
All together now.
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
Well nobody is perfect. Perhaps you expect too much.
PermeateFree said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
PermeateFree said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Mentioning below the belt isn’t funny
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
btm said:IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
Nah, he’s just a cunt.
The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.
There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the time
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the timeGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
I suppose it depends on if it benefits all or just the wealthy.
You could be a genius but not a great person if you create an empire to change the world technologically but not socially.
It’s what a smart time traveller to the future would ask, you’d expect all sort of wonderous tech but does human nastiness still exist
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
:)
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:I’ve done my own research.
BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the timeGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
I suppose it depends on if it benefits all or just the wealthy.
You could be a genius but not a great person if you create an empire to change the world technologically but not socially.
It’s what a smart time traveller to the future would ask, you’d expect all sort of wonderous tech but does human nastiness still exist
He is actively changing the world in a big way. Nobody has as much influence in the high-tec world of space exploration, satellites, electric cars, batteries, robots and Ai, as him. These are all very large endeavors that benefit humanity, and he is into them all in a very large way. Just who do you want to run these businesses, Super-Man?
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Some people also know more about certain things than others because of their life experiences. We are all a part of the moving tapestry. We all weave our part in.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
This.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
I have no affiliation with Musk; it just annoys me that a man who has achieved so much be brought down by those not fit to wipe his boots.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
You’re all worse than Hitler.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
I have no affiliation with Musk; it just annoys me that a man who has achieved so much be brought down by those not fit to wipe his boots.
Whatever, if Musk is wrong he will fail badly but if he is right he will manage to achieve lots.
As you say, we have yet to see this all in the fullness of time.
That’s if the Earths ecosystem doesn’t crash and burn first.
Spiny Norman said:
You’re all worse than Hitler.
Here we go, it has been Godwinned now.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
I have no affiliation with Musk; it just annoys me that a man who has achieved so much be brought down by those not fit to wipe his boots.
Whatever, if Musk is wrong he will fail badly but if he is right he will manage to achieve lots.
As you say, we have yet to see this all in the fullness of time.
That’s if the Earths ecosystem doesn’t crash and burn first.
He has already achieved a great deal to more than prove his worth.
Spiny Norman said:
You’re all worse than Hitler.
He did some great things too… at first…
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
SHORT SHORT SHORT ¡
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
That’s right blame the tools ¡
party_pants said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
btm said:
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
or make martyrs out of them…
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
or make martyrs out of them…
Well yeah we mean even in this thread seems like there’s people who think that doing some good things means someone should be immune to criticism, and people who think that doing some bad things means someone can never be recognised for progressive achievements, but regardless we agree that rich pricks are rich pricks.
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
or make martyrs out of them…
Well yeah we mean even in this thread seems like there’s people who think that doing some good things means someone should be immune to criticism, and people who think that doing some bad things means someone can never be recognised for progressive achievements, but regardless we agree that rich pricks are rich pricks.
so now we are ALL agreeing with DV.. what. day to be alive… for DV
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
That’s right blame the tools ¡
Think all your tools are bent and very blunt.
LOL
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the timeGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Correct, and we’re discussing that there have been certain sources of ideas in clusters that are absolute shit ideas.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
That’s right blame the tools ¡
Think all your tools are bent and very blunt.
LOL
We meant Musk so yeah.
Spiny Norman said:
ChrispenEvan said:
:)
Is it time to bring these again¿
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
LOLOLOL
Don’t cry PP
:))))))))
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
This graph proves my point.
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
Hey you know since you live Xhitter so much maybe you can get involved¡
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
Hey you know since you live Xhitter so much maybe you can get involved¡
Woof, Woof.
:)))))
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
Hey you know since you live Xhitter so much maybe you can get involved¡
Woof, Woof.
:)))))
Burning petroleum again eh nice environmentalism they’re¡
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
That’s a wild story
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
That’s a wild story
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That’s a wild story
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Idiot.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Idiot.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Idiot.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
- American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
You really are the supreme idiot. For Christ’s sake bugger-off.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Idiot.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
- American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
You really are the supreme idiot. For Christ’s sake bugger-off.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.
Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Didn’t his dad leave him an emerald mine?
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Fortunately for them and Elon, it turned out that the dirt contained emeralds.
I do like the term ‘dirt farmers’.
“Why you up so early Jacob?
‘Have to be, Caleb, that dirt won’t grow itself. Hopin’ for a bumper crop this year. Might try puttin’ in some gravel next year, if this crop pays well.”
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Fortunately for them and Elon, it turned out that the dirt contained emeralds.
Aye, they hit pay dirt.
captain_spalding said:
I do like the term ‘dirt farmers’.“Why you up so early Jacob?
‘Have to be, Caleb, that dirt won’t grow itself. Hopin’ for a bumper crop this year. Might try puttin’ in some gravel next year, if this crop pays well.”
LOL
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
- American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
You really are the supreme idiot. For Christ’s sake bugger-off.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Are you a schoolboy SCIENCE or just some loony?
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
You working on a script for Ben?
Fuck that p_p is a troublemaker!!!
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Thanks for explaining Elon-Gate.
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
dv said:
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
What about a foak tree then.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
What about a foak tree then.
For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
What about a foak tree then.
For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
What about a foak tree then.
For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
No, not at all…
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:
https://elonmusk.today/
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Does sound familar.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Does sound familar.
…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
So it is a comedy?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
So it is a comedy?
Farce, i should say.
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
I saw a piece yesterday. Way back when Elon was part of Pay-Pal he wanted to created an all-in multi-purpose financial services app. He called it X and bought the domain name and everything. The other people behind Pay-Pal didn’t like the idea and he was forced out by the rest of the board. But he still owns the X registration.
It seems he wants to turn Twitter into his dream financial services platform. He is not really interested in keeping it going just as a social media platform in its present form. Expect Twitter to become less about discussion and more about money.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
I saw a piece yesterday. Way back when Elon was part of Pay-Pal he wanted to created an all-in multi-purpose financial services app. He called it X and bought the domain name and everything. The other people behind Pay-Pal didn’t like the idea and he was forced out by the rest of the board. But he still owns the X registration.
It seems he wants to turn Twitter into his dream financial services platform. He is not really interested in keeping it going just as a social media platform in its present form. Expect Twitter to become less about discussion and more about money.
Yeah, Westpac had an idea like that back in the earl 1990s. It was called CS-90. They kept finding more and more for it to do, so it grew into this monstrous black hole that just consumed money and resources without any foreseeable conclusion.
Eventually, they just said ‘enough of this bullshit’, and cancelled it. The figure that Westpac would admit to having squandered on the project was around the $300 million mark.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
We agree with most if not all the above.
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
unfortunately musk doesn’t have the same family values as the Addams Family had.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
poikilotherm said:
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:https://elonmusk.today/
They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
PermeateFree said:
poikilotherm said:
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:https://elonmusk.today/
They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Suppose so, a bit like you then.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
To research the situation was impossible as there was very little information available, and time was critical as lives were at stake.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Social media; wonders if we would be smarter without it.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
To research the situation was impossible as there was very little information available, and time was critical as lives were at stake.
Well, if he was acting in the absence of a clear picture of the whole situation, Elon can be considered to have done a ‘good thing’ by sending the sub.
When it was explained that, thanks, Elon, but it just won’t go around the corners, spitting the dummy and accusing people of criminal tendencies was probably not the nicest way to go. “Oh, i wasn’t aware of that, well, all the best to you in your efforts, and please, use the sub if it’s any help at all” might have been a more considered response.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Does sound familar.
…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Does sound familar.
…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
We agree with most if not all the above.
Is that the royal WE?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
Everyone needs a hobby.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
Everyone needs a hobby.
I’d have a flock of them.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
poikilotherm said:
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:https://elonmusk.today/
They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
Instead of throwing insult over insult at the man, why don’t you just try reading about his life’s history, then your comments might become realistic instead of just plain stupid.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
To research the situation was impossible as there was very little information available, and time was critical as lives were at stake.
Well, if he was acting in the absence of a clear picture of the whole situation, Elon can be considered to have done a ‘good thing’ by sending the sub.
When it was explained that, thanks, Elon, but it just won’t go around the corners, spitting the dummy and accusing people of criminal tendencies was probably not the nicest way to go. “Oh, i wasn’t aware of that, well, all the best to you in your efforts, and please, use the sub if it’s any help at all” might have been a more considered response.
As if such nice comment would come from social media, where the dregs of society seem to spend their days just waiting to drag someone down.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
it reminds me of a slapjack form Ricky Gervais. someone asked how the fuck can someone who had millions of dollars send his days on social media… and Ricky said it’s because I’ve got millions of dollars that I can spend my days on social media..
and I think there’s something in that for all of us
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
Instead of throwing insult over insult at the man, why don’t you just try reading about his life’s history, then your comments might become realistic instead of just plain stupid.
I know a little of his history, but i was referring to the man he is now, and his habit of blithely making, as someone else has remarked, comments and announcements which actually contradict his earlier remarks, and not to the person that he was at any previous time, or the tribulations of his early life.
I also draw an equivalence between the man he is now, and the man that Donald Trump is now. Now, there’s two different upbringings for you, is there not, and we have two men who seem prone to the same either unconscious or wilful amnesia of their own utterances, so perhaps Elon’s attitudes may not be all that much the product of his earlier life?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
I’m just too naive to keep up with a genius like you, PF. It’s so kind of you to deign to correspond with me.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
answer the question. what did those in authority say to him? social media doesn’t count.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
yeah, but you get to take lots of drugs.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
yeah, but you get to take lots of drugs.
well, I got that bit sorted.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
yeah, but you get to take lots of drugs.
(sits up, takes notice)
Do you? I wasn’t aware of that. Can you refer me to more information on the matter?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
Instead of throwing insult over insult at the man, why don’t you just try reading about his life’s history, then your comments might become realistic instead of just plain stupid.
I know a little of his history, but i was referring to the man he is now, and his habit of blithely making, as someone else has remarked, comments and announcements which actually contradict his earlier remarks, and not to the person that he was at any previous time, or the tribulations of his early life.
I also draw an equivalence between the man he is now, and the man that Donald Trump is now. Now, there’s two different upbringings for you, is there not, and we have two men who seem prone to the same either unconscious or wilful amnesia of their own utterances, so perhaps Elon’s attitudes may not be all that much the product of his earlier life?
Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
It takes some severe mental gymnastics to characterise this as victimisation.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
I’m just too naive to keep up with a genius like you, PF. It’s so kind of you to deign to correspond with me.
Oh to have such a golden glow from one’s bum. You are so lucky to live in such a secure encompassing environment.
:)))
PermeateFree said:
Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
Most kind remarks of yours there, and, i confess, i may overindulge in my lifelong habit of rectal oration here these days.
It’s good to have you around to prompt me to examine how far out my head is extended, and whether or not it might stand a degree or two of retraction.
I will try to be less impulsive and more considered in my comments, and perhaps restore my standing to some degree in the eyes of yourself and others.
I am in your debt, sir.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
I’m just too naive to keep up with a genius like you, PF. It’s so kind of you to deign to correspond with me.
Oh to have such a golden glow from one’s bum. You are so lucky to live in such a secure encompassing environment.
:)))
It is rather snug in here. Sorry, room for one only.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
answer the question. what did those in authority say to him? social media doesn’t count.
Of course it counts. He was being lambasted on social media and replied on social media. It is as simple as!
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
It takes some severe mental gymnastics to characterise this as victimisation.
I think you can do it without thinking, seems to come with credits in social media.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
Most kind remarks of yours there, and, i confess, i may overindulge in my lifelong habit of rectal oration here these days.
It’s good to have you around to prompt me to examine how far out my head is extended, and whether or not it might stand a degree or two of retraction.
I will try to be less impulsive and more considered in my comments, and perhaps restore my standing to some degree in the eyes of yourself and others.
I am in your debt, sir.
My pleasure and I wish you every success.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
Oh, them, don’t get me started…
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
But some are darker than others and those that slander and try to destroy people who have made something of themselves are the blackest of pots and too far gone to ever scrum clean.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
Most kind remarks of yours there, and, i confess, i may overindulge in my lifelong habit of rectal oration here these days.
It’s good to have you around to prompt me to examine how far out my head is extended, and whether or not it might stand a degree or two of retraction.
I will try to be less impulsive and more considered in my comments, and perhaps restore my standing to some degree in the eyes of yourself and others.
I am in your debt, sir.
My pleasure and I wish you every success.
Be assured of my best efforts, sir.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
furious said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
A little more imagination if not intelligence as your latest post has already been addressed. Thank you.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
They are, like Elon’s in donating the sub, valid within the scope of information available to him.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
Once again you prove my point.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
They are, like Elon’s in donating the sub, valid within the scope of information available to him.
Well he tried and his intentions were good.
It’s all getting a bit TL:DR
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
They are, like Elon’s in donating the sub, valid within the scope of information available to him.
Well he tried and his intentions were good.
Oh, Lord, please don’t let him be misunderstood.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing…
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing…
I think we need a panel of experts to adjudicate on irony.
An irony board, if you will.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing…
You another schoolboy furious, or just another social media commentator?
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
You CAN really read? Gosh, I had better watch myself then.
:)))
Anyway, I am getting a bit tired of this hate thread. I have had my fun stamping on the ants nest and thankfully have not been stung, despite the swarms of snapping invertibrates.
:))))))))))))))
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony is very sad.
Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
This thread exists because someone asked for a dedicated thread to keep discussion about Elon from sidetracking other threads. So those not interested in Elon could avoid it. It serves that purpose well. The “Hate Thread” title is just poetic licence.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
Like the shittest book, like a fold of toilet paper after it’s been well used¡
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
Like the shittest book, like a fold of toilet paper after it’s been well used¡
DV let you out again. Be careful you don’t run under a bus.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
Fair.
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
Fair.
You represent the pinnacle of a social media contributor. You mucky little boy.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
He’s learnt from the best.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:Whatever you say pedoguy69420
What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
He’s learnt from the best.
Don’t think esselte will like that.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
He’s learnt from the best.
Don’t think esselte will like that.
Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
Oh god. This is too, too much. Hope you don’t mind if I go off and have a laugh.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
Oh god. This is too, too much. Hope you don’t mind if I go off and have a laugh.
Go off and die for all I care. Unfortunately for you you won’t be missed by anyone here.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:He’s learnt from the best.
Don’t think esselte will like that.
Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t think esselte will like that.
Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
Oh god. This is too, too much. Hope you don’t mind if I go off and have a laugh.
Go off and die for all I care. Unfortunately for you you won’t be missed by anyone here.
I’ll be devastated.
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
LOL.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
LOL.
Sorry unlike you I do not follow social media any more than I need, which thankfully is rather limited. However, you experts usually let us know what we are missing out on, although I must admit of being underwhelmed on most occasions.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Is this still going on?
It’s like Peyton Place, only not as interesting.
captain_spalding said:
Is this still going on?It’s like Peyton Place, only not as interesting.
like shit through a goose, these are the days of our lives.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
captain_spalding said:
Is this still going on?It’s like Peyton Place, only not as interesting.
That’s true, they seem to be moving on from Musk to me, which unfortunately I am obliged to defend. Small minds seem to have a lot of trouble staying on topic.
Hey if billionaires act like arseholes then all we
need to do to become billionaires is to act like arseholes too right¿
SCIENCE said:
Hey if billionaires act like arseholes then all we
need to do to become billionaires is to act like arseholes too right¿
can money buy you arseholeness though?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
SCIENCE said:
Hey if billionaires act like arseholes then all we
need to do to become billionaires is to act like arseholes too right¿
I think you are falling down a deep dark hole SCIENCE. Are you sure this is where you want to go?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
At least we can both agree that Musk using social media to defame people is bad.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
At least we can both agree that Musk using social media to defame people is bad.
Well, the business media does, the social media does, every joe blow does, so why not him too. You lot can’t always have it your own way all of the time.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
“Pedo guy” originated with Elon. One of the people involved in rescuing the kids from the cave in Thailand tweeted that Musk’s submarine was no use, a publicity stunt and that Musk should shove it up his arse. Musk replied implying that the reason that guy lived in Thailand was because he was a pedophile, referring to him as “Pedoguy”.
The 69420 that I included after pedoguy is an illusion to a sexual act (69) and cannabis consumption (420). Musk frequently makes jokes and business decisions based around these two meme numbers.
You accused me of being puerile, but the guy you are defending is the very definition of puerile. Such criticism, even if it was founded, does not stand here from one defending Musk.
He joked about starting a university called Texas Instituted for Technology and Science – geddit? TITS. He named Tesla car models the S, 3, X and Y – geddit? S3XY. He named his rocket company SpaceX. Geddit? Space Sex. He called Mark Zukerberg a cuck(hold) and proposed a “literal dick measuring contest” with the man. He posted a picture of Bill Gates with the caption “In case you need to lose a boner fast”.
If you aren’t aware of his recent shenanigans on social media and around Twitter in general then you are simply not informed enough about Musk to be making the comments you are here. Reading Musks biography doesn’t qualify you to comment in this space unless you are also following more recent events.
Personally I don’t care how puerile the guy is or not. Space Sex is a fantastic company doing amazing work. Tesla is a crap company but it sure did a lot to normalize and even prestige electric vehicles, which is awesome. I’ve never been a Twitter user and don’t really care what happens to it. I think the cave diver guy probably deserved a harsh (even puerile) reply for telling Musk to shove his submarine where the sun don’t shine. But there is little doubt Musk has been acting like a complete tool for months now. He is doing so very publicly. He is getting public backlash, some of which is in this thread. I’m telling you, as the guy who has defended freakin’ Martin Shkreli on this forum, Musk isn’t worthy of your effort. He is not a great man. He is a man who has done some great stuff. That’s all.
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
sorry.
why?
multiple posts to wrong thread.
I see..
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
“Pedo guy” originated with Elon. One of the people involved in rescuing the kids from the cave in Thailand tweeted that Musk’s submarine was no use, a publicity stunt and that Musk should shove it up his arse. Musk replied implying that the reason that guy lived in Thailand was because he was a pedophile, referring to him as “Pedoguy”.
The 69420 that I included after pedoguy is an illusion to a sexual act (69) and cannabis consumption (420). Musk frequently makes jokes and business decisions based around these two meme numbers.
You accused me of being puerile, but the guy you are defending is the very definition of puerile. Such criticism, even if it was founded, does not stand here from one defending Musk.
He joked about starting a university called Texas Instituted for Technology and Science – geddit? TITS. He named Tesla car models the S, 3, X and Y – geddit? S3XY. He named his rocket company SpaceX. Geddit? Space Sex. He called Mark Zukerberg a cuck(hold) and proposed a “literal dick measuring contest” with the man. He posted a picture of Bill Gates with the caption “In case you need to lose a boner fast”.
If you aren’t aware of his recent shenanigans on social media and around Twitter in general then you are simply not informed enough about Musk to be making the comments you are here. Reading Musks biography doesn’t qualify you to comment in this space unless you are also following more recent events.
Personally I don’t care how puerile the guy is or not. Space Sex is a fantastic company doing amazing work. Tesla is a crap company but it sure did a lot to normalize and even prestige electric vehicles, which is awesome. I’ve never been a Twitter user and don’t really care what happens to it. I think the cave diver guy probably deserved a harsh (even puerile) reply for telling Musk to shove his submarine where the sun don’t shine. But there is little doubt Musk has been acting like a complete tool for months now. He is doing so very publicly. He is getting public backlash, some of which is in this thread. I’m telling you, as the guy who has defended freakin’ Martin Shkreli on this forum, Musk isn’t worthy of your effort. He is not a great man. He is a man who has done some great stuff. That’s all.
He is also in a lot of other high-tech stuff, like batteries, satellites, robots and Ai, which coupled with SpaceX and his massive electric car business and even forgetting about Xtwitter, is a hell of a lot and probably more than anyone else. Yet with this incredible background you and just about everyone else have not a good word for him. It would not be so bad, but most of the criticism is centered around his social media interests and even more about the way he is running it. Well tough, he owns it, he has his own ideas about how to run it and has the money to do so, which means if you don’t like it, then don’t use it. I don’t think he cares if his critics go somewhere else.
If his critics had to contend with the extent of the criticism and extremely malicious intent upon him, they would lack the fortitude to continue, but obviously he is made of tougher stuff and says fuck you, I do as I please and the dumb opinion of the arseholes whose main interests is pulling better people down can go and rooted. He is a self-made man and capable of living his own life rather than what those, whose only interest is social media would like him to be and if he wants to return some of the shit that is thrown at him, then good luck to him and I hope it hits them where it hurts. And to place his media image first and the deciding factor to his worth after all the things he has achieved, especially after all the incredible nastiness of the things said about him, then yes I do think you are being puerile, short-sighted and vindictive.
Ah well at least we know we’re better people than the homeless bums on our street because we buy more stuff than them.
SCIENCE said:
Ah well at least we know we’re better people than the homeless bums on our street because we buy more stuff than them.
Yet another example of your logic. You could start a cult.
Below is a summary of Elon Musk’s early years that includes the false reference to his and his family’s wealth from an emerald mind. More detail including the origins of the grossly exaggerated account of this mine, is contained in the www.snopes.com website.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
>>He grew up in South Africa and had the good fortune of doing so in an upper-middle-class home. But that’s more or less where the good fortune ended. His parents divorced. He was bullied at school. And he had a disastrous relationship with his father. At 17, Musk decided to leave home, heading first to Canada and then the U.S. for university. “
Some of his most vocal detractors have promoted the idea that Musk, like Trump, began his career backed by the deep pockets of dear old dad. Errol Musk, an engineer, owned a small percentage of an emerald mine and had a couple of good years before the mine went bust and wiped out his investment. Musk readily jumps onto Twitter to refute the charges that his empire was forged with the aid of family wealth, and part of the reason he wanted to talk to me—rather comically given the rocket launch and, well, trolls—was because the jabs bug him, and he hopes to set the record straight. For what it’s worth, my reporting, based on conversations with hundreds of people, confirms Musk’s story. Regardless of your opinion of him, he is a self-made billionaire.
“I paid my own way through college—through student loans, scholarships, working jobs—and ended up with $100,000 of student debt,” Musk says. “I started my first company with $2,500, and I had one computer and a car that I bought for $1,400, and all that debt. It would have been great if someone was paying for my college, but my dad had neither the ability nor the inclination to do so.”<<
Elon Musk Is Totally Wrong About Population Collapse
Tesla’s outspoken CEO thinks the biggest threat facing the planet is people not having enough babies. Demographers disagree.
elon musk
Early 20th-century France faced an existential threat: Its citizens weren’t having enough babies. In 1900, the average French woman gave birth to three children throughout her lifetime while over the border in Germany women were averaging five. For decades, France’s population had hovered stubbornly at around 40 million while that of its European rivals grew larger. “It is the most significant fact in French life. In no other country in the world is the birth rate so low,” wrote American journalist Walter Weyl in 1912.
French society swung into action to avert the crisis. Pronatalist organizations sprung up, and by 1916 half of all French parliamentarians were part of a lobbying group that pushed policies aimed at raising birth rates. An annual prize was inaugurated, awarding 25,000 francs to 90 French parents who had raised nine or more children. Laws restricting abortion and contraceptives were passed, and mothers of large families were honored with medals according to how many children they had raised.
None of this shifted the trajectory of France’s falling birth rates. “Forty-one million Frenchmen face 67 million Germans and 43 million Italians,” lamented former minister Paul Reynaud in January 1937. “As far as numbers are concerned, we are beaten.” Reynaud was right, of course, but only for so long. In the decades after World War II, the French population swelled—bolstered by a baby boom and strong immigration. This postwar boom has long since worn off, but France still has the highest fertility rate of any EU country: The much-feared population collapse never came to pass.
Anxiety about falling populations, however, never went away. Now the most prominent public worrier is Elon Musk, for whom stagnating birth rates don’t just represent a crisis for specific countries, but an existential threat to the entire planet. “Assuming there is a benevolent future with AI, I think the biggest problem the world will face in 20 years is population collapse,” Musk said at an AI conference in August 2019. The issue is clearly playing on his mind. “Population collapse due to low birth rates is a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming,” he tweeted in 2022. “Mark these words.”
Demographers have marked Musk’s words—but they don’t agree with his dire predictions. “With 8 billion people and counting on the earth, we don’t see a collapse happening at present time, and it’s not even projected,” says Tomas Sobotka at the Vienna Institute of Demography. Even the most pessimistic projections put the world population in 2100 at around 8.8 billion. This is far below the UN’s more widely agreed upon estimate of 10.4 billion, but it’s still about 800 million more people than are on the planet today. Most projections agree that the world’s population is going to peak at some point in the second half of the 21st century and then plateau or gradually drop. Framing this as a collapse “is probably too dramatic,” says Patrick Gerland, chief of the United Nations’ Population Estimates and Projections Section.
According to the UN, the only region that will see an overall decline between 2022 and 2050 is eastern and southeastern Asia. Other regions tell a completely different story. The population in sub-Saharan Africa will almost double from 1.2 billion in 2022 to just under 2.1 billion in 2050. In the same period, India’s population will grow by over 250 million to overtake China’s as the largest in the world. For most of the world, population decline just isn’t something to worry about—“either now or in the foreseeable future,” Gerland says.
But what about the very distant future? Japan’s population is already declining, and the country has one of the lowest total fertility rates in the world—Japanese women average 1.3 children across their lifetime. For a population to stay constant, this number would need to be 2.1, assuming there’s no migration and that life expectancy stays roughly constant. If the fertility rate stays below 2.1 for long enough, the population number will start to fall. In Japan, we can see this happening—having peaked at 128.1 million in 2010, the country’s population slowly fell to 125.8 million over the following decade.
Samir KC, a demographer at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA) near Vienna, has looked at what would happen if the world’s total fertility rate stayed below replacement levels for the next millennium. If that total rate held at 1.84 babies per woman—the UN’s estimate of what it will be in 2100—the population would fall from 10.4 billion in 2100 to 1.97 billion in 2500 and 227 million in the year 3000. As Sobotka wrote over email, “this is not exactly a population collapse, but rather a slow-motion population decline.” And we’re talking about time scales of millennia. Fixating on global population collapse today is like someone in the year 1000 worrying about the Y2K bug.
What might happen in the next 1,000 years that could change the path of population growth? Nuclear wars, pandemics, whole new religions and family preferences, the prospect of colonizing other planets or hugely extending the human lifespan. Hilary Greaves, a professor of philosophy at the University of Oxford, says that if we really care about maximizing the number of humans on the planet, our top priority should be avoiding any risks that might wipe out humanity altogether. One thousand years is a long, long time. Assuming current population trends will hold over that period might be a big mistake.
The Joy of Smaller, Older Populations
For most of human history, our population grew at a crawl: Between 10,000 BCE and 1700 CE, the world’s population grew at a rate of just 0.04 percent annually. At one point in our prehistory, the human population might have dropped as low as a few thousand people. Even after the advent of agriculture and the rise of cities, populations would fluctuate as infectious diseases and famines came and went. But in the 19th century this trend of extremely slow growth started to reverse as the number of people surviving childhood dramatically increased. It took 124 years for the world’s population to increase from 1 billion to 2 billion between 1803 and 1927. Adding the next billion took 33 years, then 15 and then 12. To people born in the latter 20th century, fast-growing populations seem the norm.
“Our mental views are built around this view that a growing population is natural, that it’s more robust,” says David Weil, an economist at Brown University in Rhode Island. Economically speaking, there is some truth to this. Fertility rates tend to fall as countries grow in wealth and women become more educated. Countries shifting from high to low fertility rates usually go through a period when there are lots of people of working age and proportionally fewer who are very young or very old. This so-called “demographic dividend” is thought to be one of the main reasons the economies of South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore grew so quickly in the second half of the 20th century.
Sooner or later, however, the demographic dividend comes to an end. “Some day the party ends and you’re back to where you are,” says Weil. But he argues that a slowly shrinking population doesn’t spell an economic disaster. He says that with fewer very young people in a population, as well as older people having longer working lives, the ratio of dependents to working-age people will gradually start to even out, and countries with smaller populations will benefit from innovation in countries that are growing. “I’m quite good with the idea that over the next century or so we’re just going to be adding more Einsteins that are born in India or China or Nigeria, so a shrinking number of people in European countries is not going to lead to technological stagnation.”
Falling populations might even be a thing to celebrate. That’s according to Vegard Skirbekk at the Norwegian Centre for Fertility and Health. In his new book, Decline and Prosper! Changing Global Birth Rates and the Advantages of Fewer Children, he argues that a world with low birth rates could be a much nicer place to live. When you have fertility that is somewhat below replacement levels, “we can cope quite well with it,” he says. The percentage of the US workforce working in agriculture has steadily dropped over the past century, but productivity per worker has never been higher. Simply put, we can produce more with fewer working-age people today than at any time in history. With the right policies to redistribute wealth, falling populations could be a boon rather than a curse.
More Babies, Please
Many governments don’t see falling populations in such a rosy light. China’s population will probably peak this year, and after decades of restricting family sizes, the central government is encouraging its citizens to make more babies. Some cities are offering parents cash bonuses for second and third children, while others have pledged to build cheaper nurseries or cut rents for larger families.
It’s unlikely that pronatalist policies can completely turn the tide of decreasing populations. Since 1996, the Japanese government has enacted a raft of policies to try to increase family sizes, but the preference for smaller families has stubbornly remained. Samir KC, the IIASA demographer, always starts his course at Shanghai University by asking his students how many children they plan on having in their lifetime. This year, for the first time, some students responded by saying that they didn’t plan on having any at all.
Rather than simply encouraging people without children to start having babies, societies need to adapt to suit a wider range of lifestyles, says Skirbekk. There’s some evidence that societies with stronger social welfare nets and greater gender equality have higher birth rates, which might explain why Nordic women tend to have more babies on average than people in southern Europe. Expensive housing is another reason people limit their family size, even if they want more children. Countries that adopt policies to make their societies more fair and equal may bolster fertility rates while also benefiting those who don’t have children.
Meanwhile, countries like South Korea and Japan that have historically limited immigration are having to rethink their approach by allowing people to settle in areas with a dearth of workers. Immigration is also playing a role at a global level. Between 2000 and 2020, immigration to high-income countries contributed more to population growth than babies being born within their borders. In fact, the biggest population loss today isn’t happening in Asia, but in Eastern Europe, where the UN projects that a combination of high emigration and low birth rates will see populations fall by a fifth in Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, and Serbia.
Perhaps one of the real drivers behind Musk’s fear of population collapse is an unwillingness to imagine a world that looks very different from the one he grew up in. More than half of all the increase in global population up to 2050 will be concentrated in just eight countries: the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Egypt, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Tanzania. By that same year, the proportion of the global population over 65 will reach 16 percent—its highest-ever level. Some countries will be struggling to adapt to aging populations, while others will still be growing rapidly. And the world will still not have hit its peak population. If France’s turn-of-the-century population anxiety can teach us anything, it’s that it may be wiser to make a better world today than agonize over birth rates we have little control over.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/elon-musk-population-crisis
Can’t go far but don’t complain…
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
poikilotherm said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Can’t go far but don’t complain…
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Well we all remember how that’s going to go¡
Fuck CHINA¡ They make these excellent vehicles¡
dv said:
So as long as someone somewhere can block at least 2 users, it doesn’t violate the terms.
Is he okay?
dv said:
Is he okay?
Do you have concerns for his welfare?
dv said:
Is he okay?
Sitting alone in his office late at night, steadily emptying the Scotch decanter, listening to the rats scurrying through offices that used to have the daily sounds of busy employees in them (until he took over)…hardly surprising that he gets a bit glum, now is it?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Is he okay?
Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
I’m sure they he will see that they try their best to make there be at least one.
It may well not be Twitter/X, but there could be at least one.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Is he okay?
Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
Where’s the fun in that?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
Where’s the fun in that?
For me, I’d love some of it.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Thank you
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
Where’s the fun in that?
For me, I’d love some of it.
You’d be drummed out of the Billionaire’s Club, condemned to join a small, rag-tag band of those of your ilk.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
Surrounded by people telling them ‘no, you’re fine, it’s everyone else who has a problem’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
Surrounded by people telling them ‘no, you’re fine, it’s everyone else who has a problem’.
Well everyone else does have a problem when they get to leader of their country status.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
Surrounded by people telling them ‘no, you’re fine, it’s everyone else who has a problem’.
Well everyone else does have a problem when they get to leader of their country status.
Good observation.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Where’s the fun in that?
For me, I’d love some of it.
You’d be drummed out of the Billionaire’s Club, condemned to join a small, rag-tag band of those of your ilk.
I wouldn’t even get a look in the door.
dv said:
Is he okay?
I don’t know the person, i’ve heard of the person, seen the person on the electric rectangles, I know he’s into rocketry, space travel, and making cars, and maybe by way of some wandering enthusiasm owns a social media network, I don’t patronize social media networks myself, barely anyway
I don’t pretend to have any sort of relationship with the person, and am strongly inclined not to pretend to relationships anywhere, not anytime, to pretend is in fact evil as far as I can tell, even to pretend of a part and confuse the whole, it’s a poison, a stealthy horror that multiplies and self-obliterates evidence of its nasty ways, for more of the same
at your own risk get sucked into the vortex of whatever sustains equilibrium mental states that way, and media more broadly doesn’t deploy the ways by accident, the model, and to who might it appeal i’d ask, the ways
transition said:
dv said:
Is he okay?
I don’t know the person, i’ve heard of the person, seen the person on the electric rectangles, I know he’s into rocketry, space travel, and making cars, and maybe by way of some wandering enthusiasm owns a social media network, I don’t patronize social media networks myself, barely anyway
I don’t pretend to have any sort of relationship with the person, and am strongly inclined not to pretend to relationships anywhere, not anytime, to pretend is in fact evil as far as I can tell, even to pretend of a part and confuse the whole, it’s a poison, a stealthy horror that multiplies and self-obliterates evidence of its nasty ways, for more of the same
at your own risk get sucked into the vortex of whatever sustains equilibrium mental states that way, and media more broadly doesn’t deploy the ways by accident, the model, and to who might it appeal i’d ask, the ways
Plus just about everyone in the public eye would either themselves or through PR people portray a false persona.
it looks like an opening scene in a sci fi movie on SBS.
Ronan Farrow on the Rule of Elon Musk
How the tech billionaire built a one-man monopoly over American infrastructure and became too powerful for the U.S. government to rein in.
Some excerpts:
Last October, Colin Kahl, then the Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy at the Pentagon, sat in a hotel in Paris and prepared to make a call to avert disaster in Ukraine. A staffer handed him an iPhone—in part to avoid inviting an onslaught of late-night texts and colorful emojis on Kahl’s own phone. Kahl had returned to his room, with its heavy drapery and distant view of the Eiffel Tower, after a day of meetings with officials from the United Kingdom, France, and Germany. A senior defense official told me that Kahl was surprised by whom he was about to contact: “He was, like, ‘Why am I calling Elon Musk?’ ”
The reason soon became apparent. “Even though Musk is not technically a diplomat or statesman, I felt it was important to treat him as such, given the influence he had on this issue,” Kahl told me. SpaceX, Musk’s space-exploration company, had for months been providing Internet access across Ukraine, allowing the country’s forces to plan attacks and to defend themselves. But, in recent days, the forces had found their connectivity severed as they entered territory contested by Russia.
The meddling of oligarchs and other monied interests in the fate of nations is not new. During the First World War, J. P. Morgan lent vast sums to the Allied powers; afterward, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., poured money into the fledgling League of Nations. The investor George Soros’s Open Society Foundations underwrote civil-society reform in post-Soviet Europe, and the casino mogul Sheldon Adelson funded right-wing media in Israel, as part of his support of Benjamin Netanyahu.But Musk’s influence is more brazen and expansive. There is little precedent for a civilian’s becoming the arbiter of a war between nations in such a granular way, or for the degree of dependency that the U.S. now has on Musk in a variety of fields, from the future of energy and transportation to the exploration of space. SpaceX is currently the sole means by which nasa transports crew from U.S. soil into space, a situation that will persist for at least another year. The government’s plan to move the auto industry toward electric cars requires increasing access to charging stations along America’s highways. But this rests on the actions of another Musk enterprise, Tesla. The automaker has seeded so much of the country with its proprietary charging stations that the Biden Administration relaxed an early push for a universal charging standard disliked by Musk. His stations are eligible for billions of dollars in subsidies, so long as Tesla makes them compatible with the other charging standard.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule
dv said:
Ronan Farrow on the Rule of Elon Musk
How the tech billionaire built a one-man monopoly over American infrastructure and became too powerful for the U.S. government to rein in.Some excerpts:
Last October, Colin Kahl, then the Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy at the Pentagon, sat in a hotel in Paris and prepared to make a call to avert disaster in Ukraine. A staffer handed him an iPhone—in part to avoid inviting an onslaught of late-night texts and colorful emojis on Kahl’s own phone. Kahl had returned to his room, with its heavy drapery and distant view of the Eiffel Tower, after a day of meetings with officials from the United Kingdom, France, and Germany. A senior defense official told me that Kahl was surprised by whom he was about to contact: “He was, like, ‘Why am I calling Elon Musk?’ ”
The reason soon became apparent. “Even though Musk is not technically a diplomat or statesman, I felt it was important to treat him as such, given the influence he had on this issue,” Kahl told me. SpaceX, Musk’s space-exploration company, had for months been providing Internet access across Ukraine, allowing the country’s forces to plan attacks and to defend themselves. But, in recent days, the forces had found their connectivity severed as they entered territory contested by Russia.
The meddling of oligarchs and other monied interests in the fate of nations is not new. During the First World War, J. P. Morgan lent vast sums to the Allied powers; afterward, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., poured money into the fledgling League of Nations. The investor George Soros’s Open Society Foundations underwrote civil-society reform in post-Soviet Europe, and the casino mogul Sheldon Adelson funded right-wing media in Israel, as part of his support of Benjamin Netanyahu.But Musk’s influence is more brazen and expansive. There is little precedent for a civilian’s becoming the arbiter of a war between nations in such a granular way, or for the degree of dependency that the U.S. now has on Musk in a variety of fields, from the future of energy and transportation to the exploration of space. SpaceX is currently the sole means by which nasa transports crew from U.S. soil into space, a situation that will persist for at least another year. The government’s plan to move the auto industry toward electric cars requires increasing access to charging stations along America’s highways. But this rests on the actions of another Musk enterprise, Tesla. The automaker has seeded so much of the country with its proprietary charging stations that the Biden Administration relaxed an early push for a universal charging standard disliked by Musk. His stations are eligible for billions of dollars in subsidies, so long as Tesla makes them compatible with the other charging standard.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule
Ronan Farrow’s new report alleges ‘set of warnings about Elon Musk’ some close to him are sounding
MSNBC interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXfzU6tS-b4
I suppose everyone’s wondered why you’d rebrand the uniquely named Twitter to the generic-as-possible X.
But Meta also seems to have messed this up. Threads is a terrible social media name. It’s not something you can search reasonably because “threads” is already a common social media term. It’s like calling your IT firm Computers.
and the fact that the word tweet is actually a word that entered into the dictionary with branding .. and he went and fucked it up
1. : chirp. 2. : to post a message to the Twitter online message service.
Tweet Definition & Meaning – Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › tweet
Musk does seem to have an infatuation with the letter X.
Michael V said:
Musk does seem to have an infatuation with the letter X.
It is a Musk brand symbol. It ties his businesses together.
Michael V said:
Musk does seem to have an infatuation with the letter X.
He’s a xpletive xpletive xpletive wastrel.
Arts said:
and the fact that the word tweet is actually a word that entered into the dictionary with branding .. and he went and fucked it up1. : chirp. 2. : to post a message to the Twitter online message service.
Tweet Definition & Meaning – Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › tweet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNSTerj2Kc
Elon Musk ordered Starlink to be turned off during Ukraine offensive, book says
Elon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography
dv said:
Elon Musk ordered Starlink to be turned off during Ukraine offensive, book saysElon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography
Mung bean.
Michael V said:
dv said:That’s a more polite term than I would’ve used.Elon Musk ordered Starlink to be turned off during Ukraine offensive, book saysMung bean.Elon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”
“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
The answer is the same as it always has been, and always will be: money.
If not money in the hand/bank right now, then the prospect/promise of making money in the future.
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
The answer is the same as it always has been, and always will be: money.
If not money in the hand/bank right now, then the prospect/promise of making money in the future.
It is wilful murder.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
I’m not going that far. Just that the US govt should take over the effective day to day administration of the service, and direct who does and who does not get access to it. Elon would still own the assets, it is not even a full nationalisation.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
I’m not going that far. Just that the US govt should take over the effective day to day administration of the service, and direct who does and who does not get access to it. Elon would still own the assets, it is not even a full nationalisation.
Yes that is the part that makes sense.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
after a damn good public flogging.
On second thoughts, maybe hit him in the hip pocket where it hurts most.
Maybe the EU could jump in here. Declare that Elon is giving comfort to Russia, and therefore extend some form of the economic sanctions against his companies. I’m looking at Tesla Motors mainly. I am sure the European auto manufacturers would gleefully support any restrictions on importing Tesla cars. The company share price would tank, and Elon would find himself in a spot of financial difficulty seeing as it is his Tesla shares that are collateral for the loans he took out to buy Twitter.
party_pants said:
On second thoughts, maybe hit him in the hip pocket where it hurts most.Maybe the EU could jump in here. Declare that Elon is giving comfort to Russia, and therefore extend some form of the economic sanctions against his companies. I’m looking at Tesla Motors mainly. I am sure the European auto manufacturers would gleefully support any restrictions on importing Tesla cars. The company share price would tank, and Elon would find himself in a spot of financial difficulty seeing as it is his Tesla shares that are collateral for the loans he took out to buy Twitter.
Sanctions. Yes. :)
party_pants said:
On second thoughts, maybe hit him in the hip pocket where it hurts most.Maybe the EU could jump in here. Declare that Elon is giving comfort to Russia, and therefore extend some form of the economic sanctions against his companies. I’m looking at Tesla Motors mainly. I am sure the European auto manufacturers would gleefully support any restrictions on importing Tesla cars. The company share price would tank, and Elon would find himself in a spot of financial difficulty seeing as it is his Tesla shares that are collateral for the loans he took out to buy Twitter.
Good thinking 99.
Bogsnorkler said:
He landed a car on the sun.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
He landed a car on the sun.
yeah, at night though…
Elon Musk has his demons. Walter Isaacson does his best to dissect them.
Isaacson’s new biography, ‘Elon Musk,’ attempts to reconcile the tech billionaire’s flaws with his achievements
Review by Will Oremus
September 10, 2023 at 8:23 a.m. EDT
If you were trying to reverse-engineer from Elon Musk’s life a blueprint for creating the sort of tech icon who, at 52 years old, merits a 688-page biography by Walter Isaacson, the resulting plans would be fairly straightforward — just rather hard to execute.
Take a bright, exceedingly headstrong, socially maladjusted young boy and forge his character in an abusive, friendless childhood. For solace, give him only science fiction novels, superhero comics and a cadre of younger siblings and cousins to boss around, imbuing him with delusions of grandeur and a taste for unchecked power.
If he survives that, send him to Silicon Valley during the dot-com boom. Give him a relentless work ethic, an addiction to risk and a moral compass that puts his own interests at its magnetic north pole. Add a keen eye for brilliant engineering minds he can mine for ideas and push to achieve the seemingly impossible, while he hogs the profits and credit. And then hope that he gets very lucky at pivotal moments along the way, so that his compulsive risk-taking doesn’t blow up in his face, even when his rockets do.
The traits that conspired to make Musk the world’s richest man were all in evidence when Isaacson decided in 2021 to make him the subject of his next biography. “Elon Musk,” being published on Tuesday, must have seemed a natural extension of Isaacson’s “great man” canon, which includes biographies of Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and Steve Jobs. (Isaacson’s subjects are almost, though not quite, all men.)
But Einstein, Franklin and Jobs were all dead by the time Isaacson’s biographies hit bookstores (albeit by just weeks in Jobs’s case), whereas Musk — CEO of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of X (formerly Twitter) — remains very alive. In the past two years, Musk’s public image has morphed from that of the hard-charging high-tech visionary who inspired Robert Downey Jr.’s portrayal of Tony Stark in “Iron Man” into something more disturbing and polarizing.
How do you take the full measure of an increasingly troubled figure whose life’s work and legacy still hang in the balance? At stake is not just Musk’s place in history, but also his place in the present and future. If Isaacson fails to pin that down in a satisfying way, it might be because Musk is such a fast-moving target, and Isaacson prioritized revealing anecdotes and behind-the-scenes reportage over a sophisticated critical lens.
Fortunately, the juicy details are plentiful, especially in the book’s final third, which covers the two especially volatile years Isaacson spent shadowing Musk. (There are wild capers and personal dramas worthy of a soap opera throughout, but most of the ones you’ll encounter earlier in the book have been well documented before now, including in Ashlee Vance’s thorough 2015 Musk biography.)
New details include that Musk single-handedly scuttled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea (more on that below). We learn that Musk’s girlfriend Grimes was in an Austin hospital visiting a surrogate pregnant with their then-secret second child in 2021 at the same time Musk’s employee Shivon Zilis was in the same hospital pregnant with then-secret twins fathered by Musk via IVF, unbeknownst to Grimes. (“Perhaps it is no surprise,” Isaacson deadpans, “that Musk decided to fly west that Thanksgiving weekend to deal with the simpler issues of rocket engineering.”) And we discover that Musk and Grimes have a third, previously unreported child, named Techno Mechanicus Musk, bringing Musk’s tally of known offspring to 11.
This being an Isaacson biography, though, it’s clear he intends for “Elon Musk” to be more than a bunch of interesting stories about a controversial guy. He frames it as a character study, a quest to understand and perhaps reconcile the contradictions at Musk’s core. But the central question he sets out to answer in the book’s prologue feels a bit too easy. It’s the same one that lay at the heart of “Steve Jobs”: Are Musk’s personal demons and flaws also what make his spectacular achievements possible? Seven pages in, there are no prizes for guessing what Isaacson’s answer will be. Though the destination lacks suspense, the ride is entertaining enough, particularly for those who haven’t closely followed Musk’s high jinks. And despite the book’s length, it zips along thanks to Isaacson’s economical prose and short chapters.
Musk, who at age 5 traipsed solo across Pretoria to reach a cousin’s birthday party after his parents left him home as a punishment, has always had a little crazy in him. To help explain it, Isaacson introduces us early on to Elon’s brutal, “Jekyll-and-Hyde” father, Errol Musk. He’s a man Elon mostly despises, but also, in his worst moments, resembles. When Musk’s first wife, Justine, reached her wit’s end with him, she would warn: “You’re turning into your father.”
Elon’s childhood in South Africa reads like the origin story for a superhero, or maybe a supervillain, at least as he and his family members tell it. That may be by design: Musk has a penchant for self-mythologizing, casting himself as the sole hero of complex origin stories like that of Tesla’s founding.
Already, one of the book’s critical passages has sparked geopolitical drama — and an embarrassing public walk-back by Isaacson. In an excerpt from the book published in The Washington Post on Friday, Isaacson recounts how Musk single-handedly foiled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea by cutting off the Starlink satellite internet service Ukraine’s drones were relying on. Isaacson writes that Musk made the decision because he feared the attack could lead to nuclear war, based on his conversation weeks earlier with a Russian ambassador.
But when CNN obtained the excerpt and reported on it, Musk tweeted a different account. He said he didn’t cut Ukraine’s Starlink service in Crimea; it was already deactivated there, and he refused the Ukrainians’ emergency request to activate it so they could carry out the attack. Isaacson tweeted Friday that Musk’s version of the story was accurate, meaning the passage in his book is misleading.
The larger concern is whether Isaacson’s heavy reliance on Musk as a primary source throughout his reporting kept him too close to his subject. Swaths of the book are told largely through Musk’s eyes and those of his confidants. And the majority of tales about his exploits cast him as the genius protagonist even as they expose his self-destructive tendencies or his capacity for cruelty.
To his credit, the book boasts a large number of citations for sources and interviews. Isaacson also takes care to include corroborating or conflicting accounts of controversial episodes, such as Musk’s vicious grudge against Tesla’s original founders. (If you ever want make an enemy for life, try standing between Musk and full credit for a project he was involved in.) And, contrary to some of his most adamant critics, Musk really does seem to possess a remarkable brain for physics, engineering and business — if perhaps not for running a social media firm. Isaacson persuasively dismisses the notion that Musk owes his success largely to inherited wealth, or that he’s a huckster profiting only from the inventions of others. Musk’s companies have thrived both because of and in spite of him.
Isaacson at times interjects his own, sometimes dryly funny, counterpoints to some of Musk’s more outlandish claims. After he quotes Musk enthusing about his far-fetched Hyperloop plan, “This is going to change everything,” Isaacson begins the next paragraph: “It didn’t change everything.” (What it did change, by some reckonings, were California’s plans to build a high-speed rail line, which Musk has acknowledged he sought to undermine.)
In one of his most entertaining and revealing bits of original reporting, Isaacson fills in the backstory behind a series of technical glitches that plagued Twitter in late 2022 and early 2023, and it does not disappoint.
Steamrolling past Twitter employees’ warnings, Musk insisted on immediately moving thousands of the company’s computer servers from a Sacramento data center to another facility to save money. When they balked, insisting it would take months to do safely, Musk dragooned a carful of friends and family into canceling their Christmas plans to drive to Sacramento, where he personally disconnected one of the servers with the help of a security guard’s pocket knife. He then called in a team of employees to start loading the rest onto a semi truck and some moving vans.
On many occasions over the years, Musk has horrified deputies with these sorts of stunts, only to be vindicated when they pay off handsomely. But in this case it turned out the employees, whom he had threatened to fire for their timidity, had been right. The move caused cascading glitches in Twitter’s software, including the ones that afflicted a highly anticipated live audio event with presidential candidate Ron DeSantis the following May.
The Musk we know today is a different one than the Musk who Isaacson began following in 2021. Since then, he has lurched rightward politically, embracing conspiracies and railing that the “woke mind virus” could unravel civilization; staged a dramatic takeover of Twitter, restoring banned accounts including Donald Trump’s while alienating advertisers and the mainstream media; been accused of sexual misdeeds and revealed as the secret father of multiple additional children; founded a new AI company; and become a power broker in both the Ukraine war and Republican politics. And that’s leaving out a lot.
Isaacson pins the changes at least partly on the pandemic, which drew out Musk’s conspiratorial side, supercharged his Twitter addiction, and amped up his natural mistrust of bureaucratic regulations as covid-19 restrictions hampered Tesla production in California and China. In some ways, as Isaacson points out, Musk is becoming more like his father, Errol, whom Isaacson has found in recent years to be descending into full-on paranoia, conspiracism and overt racism.
So what does Isaacson ultimately make of Elon? In a brief, final assessment, Isaacson takes us back to where he started. The tech tycoon’s “epic feats” don’t excuse his “bad behavior,” but “it’s important to understand how the strands are woven together, sometimes tightly.”
A harder, but more fruitful question than how to reconcile Musk’s idealism and remarkable achievements with his “demon mode,” as Grimes calls it, might have been: What does it say about our world today that so much depends on a man like Musk? That the fate of electric vehicles, self-driving cars, public infrastructure projects, global space exploration, the rules of online discourse, and the life and death of military combatants can be altered at the whim of a notoriously whimsical man? And if he ever does go full Errol, will there be anything we can do about it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/10/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-biography-review/?
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
Psychologists who i used to work with considered dipshit names that parents gave to kids to be valid, even important’ ‘diagnostic factors’.
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
For a rich person it’s cool for a poor person its trash
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
Psychologists who i used to work with considered dipshit names that parents gave to kids to be valid, even important’ ‘diagnostic factors’.
Yes the parents are bogans probably criminal or neglectful and the kids end up the same.
I see if here at the courts, stupid names for offenders
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
The ‘chno’ in Techno is pronounced ‘x’. :)
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
Psychologists who i used to work with considered dipshit names that parents gave to kids to be valid, even important’ ‘diagnostic factors’.
Yes the parents are bogans probably criminal or neglectful and the kids end up the same.
I see if here at the courts, stupid names for offenders
“My son is always getting bullied at school.”
“And you christened your son…?”
“Binky.”
“Hmmm…”
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
Did he have a kid called Malcolm?
https://www.facebook.com/reel/2048995688774433?mibextid=BhObA4
Cats in a fish tank
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
The ‘chno’ in Techno is pronounced ‘x’. :)
Tex Mex?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk has his demons. Walter Isaacson does his best to dissect them.
Isaacson’s new biography, ‘Elon Musk,’ attempts to reconcile the tech billionaire’s flaws with his achievementsReview by Will Oremus
September 10, 2023 at 8:23 a.m. EDTIf you were trying to reverse-engineer from Elon Musk’s life a blueprint for creating the sort of tech icon who, at 52 years old, merits a 688-page biography by Walter Isaacson, the resulting plans would be fairly straightforward — just rather hard to execute.
Take a bright, exceedingly headstrong, socially maladjusted young boy and forge his character in an abusive, friendless childhood. For solace, give him only science fiction novels, superhero comics and a cadre of younger siblings and cousins to boss around, imbuing him with delusions of grandeur and a taste for unchecked power.
If he survives that, send him to Silicon Valley during the dot-com boom. Give him a relentless work ethic, an addiction to risk and a moral compass that puts his own interests at its magnetic north pole. Add a keen eye for brilliant engineering minds he can mine for ideas and push to achieve the seemingly impossible, while he hogs the profits and credit. And then hope that he gets very lucky at pivotal moments along the way, so that his compulsive risk-taking doesn’t blow up in his face, even when his rockets do.
The traits that conspired to make Musk the world’s richest man were all in evidence when Isaacson decided in 2021 to make him the subject of his next biography. “Elon Musk,” being published on Tuesday, must have seemed a natural extension of Isaacson’s “great man” canon, which includes biographies of Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and Steve Jobs. (Isaacson’s subjects are almost, though not quite, all men.)
But Einstein, Franklin and Jobs were all dead by the time Isaacson’s biographies hit bookstores (albeit by just weeks in Jobs’s case), whereas Musk — CEO of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of X (formerly Twitter) — remains very alive. In the past two years, Musk’s public image has morphed from that of the hard-charging high-tech visionary who inspired Robert Downey Jr.’s portrayal of Tony Stark in “Iron Man” into something more disturbing and polarizing.
How do you take the full measure of an increasingly troubled figure whose life’s work and legacy still hang in the balance? At stake is not just Musk’s place in history, but also his place in the present and future. If Isaacson fails to pin that down in a satisfying way, it might be because Musk is such a fast-moving target, and Isaacson prioritized revealing anecdotes and behind-the-scenes reportage over a sophisticated critical lens.
Fortunately, the juicy details are plentiful, especially in the book’s final third, which covers the two especially volatile years Isaacson spent shadowing Musk. (There are wild capers and personal dramas worthy of a soap opera throughout, but most of the ones you’ll encounter earlier in the book have been well documented before now, including in Ashlee Vance’s thorough 2015 Musk biography.)
New details include that Musk single-handedly scuttled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea (more on that below). We learn that Musk’s girlfriend Grimes was in an Austin hospital visiting a surrogate pregnant with their then-secret second child in 2021 at the same time Musk’s employee Shivon Zilis was in the same hospital pregnant with then-secret twins fathered by Musk via IVF, unbeknownst to Grimes. (“Perhaps it is no surprise,” Isaacson deadpans, “that Musk decided to fly west that Thanksgiving weekend to deal with the simpler issues of rocket engineering.”) And we discover that Musk and Grimes have a third, previously unreported child, named Techno Mechanicus Musk, bringing Musk’s tally of known offspring to 11.
This being an Isaacson biography, though, it’s clear he intends for “Elon Musk” to be more than a bunch of interesting stories about a controversial guy. He frames it as a character study, a quest to understand and perhaps reconcile the contradictions at Musk’s core. But the central question he sets out to answer in the book’s prologue feels a bit too easy. It’s the same one that lay at the heart of “Steve Jobs”: Are Musk’s personal demons and flaws also what make his spectacular achievements possible? Seven pages in, there are no prizes for guessing what Isaacson’s answer will be. Though the destination lacks suspense, the ride is entertaining enough, particularly for those who haven’t closely followed Musk’s high jinks. And despite the book’s length, it zips along thanks to Isaacson’s economical prose and short chapters.
Musk, who at age 5 traipsed solo across Pretoria to reach a cousin’s birthday party after his parents left him home as a punishment, has always had a little crazy in him. To help explain it, Isaacson introduces us early on to Elon’s brutal, “Jekyll-and-Hyde” father, Errol Musk. He’s a man Elon mostly despises, but also, in his worst moments, resembles. When Musk’s first wife, Justine, reached her wit’s end with him, she would warn: “You’re turning into your father.”
Elon’s childhood in South Africa reads like the origin story for a superhero, or maybe a supervillain, at least as he and his family members tell it. That may be by design: Musk has a penchant for self-mythologizing, casting himself as the sole hero of complex origin stories like that of Tesla’s founding.
Already, one of the book’s critical passages has sparked geopolitical drama — and an embarrassing public walk-back by Isaacson. In an excerpt from the book published in The Washington Post on Friday, Isaacson recounts how Musk single-handedly foiled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea by cutting off the Starlink satellite internet service Ukraine’s drones were relying on. Isaacson writes that Musk made the decision because he feared the attack could lead to nuclear war, based on his conversation weeks earlier with a Russian ambassador.
But when CNN obtained the excerpt and reported on it, Musk tweeted a different account. He said he didn’t cut Ukraine’s Starlink service in Crimea; it was already deactivated there, and he refused the Ukrainians’ emergency request to activate it so they could carry out the attack. Isaacson tweeted Friday that Musk’s version of the story was accurate, meaning the passage in his book is misleading.
The larger concern is whether Isaacson’s heavy reliance on Musk as a primary source throughout his reporting kept him too close to his subject. Swaths of the book are told largely through Musk’s eyes and those of his confidants. And the majority of tales about his exploits cast him as the genius protagonist even as they expose his self-destructive tendencies or his capacity for cruelty.
To his credit, the book boasts a large number of citations for sources and interviews. Isaacson also takes care to include corroborating or conflicting accounts of controversial episodes, such as Musk’s vicious grudge against Tesla’s original founders. (If you ever want make an enemy for life, try standing between Musk and full credit for a project he was involved in.) And, contrary to some of his most adamant critics, Musk really does seem to possess a remarkable brain for physics, engineering and business — if perhaps not for running a social media firm. Isaacson persuasively dismisses the notion that Musk owes his success largely to inherited wealth, or that he’s a huckster profiting only from the inventions of others. Musk’s companies have thrived both because of and in spite of him.
Isaacson at times interjects his own, sometimes dryly funny, counterpoints to some of Musk’s more outlandish claims. After he quotes Musk enthusing about his far-fetched Hyperloop plan, “This is going to change everything,” Isaacson begins the next paragraph: “It didn’t change everything.” (What it did change, by some reckonings, were California’s plans to build a high-speed rail line, which Musk has acknowledged he sought to undermine.)
In one of his most entertaining and revealing bits of original reporting, Isaacson fills in the backstory behind a series of technical glitches that plagued Twitter in late 2022 and early 2023, and it does not disappoint.
Steamrolling past Twitter employees’ warnings, Musk insisted on immediately moving thousands of the company’s computer servers from a Sacramento data center to another facility to save money. When they balked, insisting it would take months to do safely, Musk dragooned a carful of friends and family into canceling their Christmas plans to drive to Sacramento, where he personally disconnected one of the servers with the help of a security guard’s pocket knife. He then called in a team of employees to start loading the rest onto a semi truck and some moving vans.
On many occasions over the years, Musk has horrified deputies with these sorts of stunts, only to be vindicated when they pay off handsomely. But in this case it turned out the employees, whom he had threatened to fire for their timidity, had been right. The move caused cascading glitches in Twitter’s software, including the ones that afflicted a highly anticipated live audio event with presidential candidate Ron DeSantis the following May.
The Musk we know today is a different one than the Musk who Isaacson began following in 2021. Since then, he has lurched rightward politically, embracing conspiracies and railing that the “woke mind virus” could unravel civilization; staged a dramatic takeover of Twitter, restoring banned accounts including Donald Trump’s while alienating advertisers and the mainstream media; been accused of sexual misdeeds and revealed as the secret father of multiple additional children; founded a new AI company; and become a power broker in both the Ukraine war and Republican politics. And that’s leaving out a lot.
Isaacson pins the changes at least partly on the pandemic, which drew out Musk’s conspiratorial side, supercharged his Twitter addiction, and amped up his natural mistrust of bureaucratic regulations as covid-19 restrictions hampered Tesla production in California and China. In some ways, as Isaacson points out, Musk is becoming more like his father, Errol, whom Isaacson has found in recent years to be descending into full-on paranoia, conspiracism and overt racism.
So what does Isaacson ultimately make of Elon? In a brief, final assessment, Isaacson takes us back to where he started. The tech tycoon’s “epic feats” don’t excuse his “bad behavior,” but “it’s important to understand how the strands are woven together, sometimes tightly.”
A harder, but more fruitful question than how to reconcile Musk’s idealism and remarkable achievements with his “demon mode,” as Grimes calls it, might have been: What does it say about our world today that so much depends on a man like Musk? That the fate of electric vehicles, self-driving cars, public infrastructure projects, global space exploration, the rules of online discourse, and the life and death of military combatants can be altered at the whim of a notoriously whimsical man? And if he ever does go full Errol, will there be anything we can do about it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/10/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-biography-review/?
The last paragraph says it all.
Somewhere PF is crying
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
The ‘chno’ in Techno is pronounced ‘x’. :)
Tex Mex?
cache
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
Elon was dissed
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
Elon was dissed
I’m teasing
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk has his demons. Walter Isaacson does his best to dissect them.
Isaacson’s new biography, ‘Elon Musk,’ attempts to reconcile the tech billionaire’s flaws with his achievementsReview by Will Oremus
September 10, 2023 at 8:23 a.m. EDTIf you were trying to reverse-engineer from Elon Musk’s life a blueprint for creating the sort of tech icon who, at 52 years old, merits a 688-page biography by Walter Isaacson, the resulting plans would be fairly straightforward — just rather hard to execute.
Take a bright, exceedingly headstrong, socially maladjusted young boy and forge his character in an abusive, friendless childhood. For solace, give him only science fiction novels, superhero comics and a cadre of younger siblings and cousins to boss around, imbuing him with delusions of grandeur and a taste for unchecked power.
If he survives that, send him to Silicon Valley during the dot-com boom. Give him a relentless work ethic, an addiction to risk and a moral compass that puts his own interests at its magnetic north pole. Add a keen eye for brilliant engineering minds he can mine for ideas and push to achieve the seemingly impossible, while he hogs the profits and credit. And then hope that he gets very lucky at pivotal moments along the way, so that his compulsive risk-taking doesn’t blow up in his face, even when his rockets do.
The traits that conspired to make Musk the world’s richest man were all in evidence when Isaacson decided in 2021 to make him the subject of his next biography. “Elon Musk,” being published on Tuesday, must have seemed a natural extension of Isaacson’s “great man” canon, which includes biographies of Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and Steve Jobs. (Isaacson’s subjects are almost, though not quite, all men.)
But Einstein, Franklin and Jobs were all dead by the time Isaacson’s biographies hit bookstores (albeit by just weeks in Jobs’s case), whereas Musk — CEO of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of X (formerly Twitter) — remains very alive. In the past two years, Musk’s public image has morphed from that of the hard-charging high-tech visionary who inspired Robert Downey Jr.’s portrayal of Tony Stark in “Iron Man” into something more disturbing and polarizing.
How do you take the full measure of an increasingly troubled figure whose life’s work and legacy still hang in the balance? At stake is not just Musk’s place in history, but also his place in the present and future. If Isaacson fails to pin that down in a satisfying way, it might be because Musk is such a fast-moving target, and Isaacson prioritized revealing anecdotes and behind-the-scenes reportage over a sophisticated critical lens.
Fortunately, the juicy details are plentiful, especially in the book’s final third, which covers the two especially volatile years Isaacson spent shadowing Musk. (There are wild capers and personal dramas worthy of a soap opera throughout, but most of the ones you’ll encounter earlier in the book have been well documented before now, including in Ashlee Vance’s thorough 2015 Musk biography.)
New details include that Musk single-handedly scuttled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea (more on that below). We learn that Musk’s girlfriend Grimes was in an Austin hospital visiting a surrogate pregnant with their then-secret second child in 2021 at the same time Musk’s employee Shivon Zilis was in the same hospital pregnant with then-secret twins fathered by Musk via IVF, unbeknownst to Grimes. (“Perhaps it is no surprise,” Isaacson deadpans, “that Musk decided to fly west that Thanksgiving weekend to deal with the simpler issues of rocket engineering.”) And we discover that Musk and Grimes have a third, previously unreported child, named Techno Mechanicus Musk, bringing Musk’s tally of known offspring to 11.
This being an Isaacson biography, though, it’s clear he intends for “Elon Musk” to be more than a bunch of interesting stories about a controversial guy. He frames it as a character study, a quest to understand and perhaps reconcile the contradictions at Musk’s core. But the central question he sets out to answer in the book’s prologue feels a bit too easy. It’s the same one that lay at the heart of “Steve Jobs”: Are Musk’s personal demons and flaws also what make his spectacular achievements possible? Seven pages in, there are no prizes for guessing what Isaacson’s answer will be. Though the destination lacks suspense, the ride is entertaining enough, particularly for those who haven’t closely followed Musk’s high jinks. And despite the book’s length, it zips along thanks to Isaacson’s economical prose and short chapters.
Musk, who at age 5 traipsed solo across Pretoria to reach a cousin’s birthday party after his parents left him home as a punishment, has always had a little crazy in him. To help explain it, Isaacson introduces us early on to Elon’s brutal, “Jekyll-and-Hyde” father, Errol Musk. He’s a man Elon mostly despises, but also, in his worst moments, resembles. When Musk’s first wife, Justine, reached her wit’s end with him, she would warn: “You’re turning into your father.”
Elon’s childhood in South Africa reads like the origin story for a superhero, or maybe a supervillain, at least as he and his family members tell it. That may be by design: Musk has a penchant for self-mythologizing, casting himself as the sole hero of complex origin stories like that of Tesla’s founding.
Already, one of the book’s critical passages has sparked geopolitical drama — and an embarrassing public walk-back by Isaacson. In an excerpt from the book published in The Washington Post on Friday, Isaacson recounts how Musk single-handedly foiled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea by cutting off the Starlink satellite internet service Ukraine’s drones were relying on. Isaacson writes that Musk made the decision because he feared the attack could lead to nuclear war, based on his conversation weeks earlier with a Russian ambassador.
But when CNN obtained the excerpt and reported on it, Musk tweeted a different account. He said he didn’t cut Ukraine’s Starlink service in Crimea; it was already deactivated there, and he refused the Ukrainians’ emergency request to activate it so they could carry out the attack. Isaacson tweeted Friday that Musk’s version of the story was accurate, meaning the passage in his book is misleading.
The larger concern is whether Isaacson’s heavy reliance on Musk as a primary source throughout his reporting kept him too close to his subject. Swaths of the book are told largely through Musk’s eyes and those of his confidants. And the majority of tales about his exploits cast him as the genius protagonist even as they expose his self-destructive tendencies or his capacity for cruelty.
To his credit, the book boasts a large number of citations for sources and interviews. Isaacson also takes care to include corroborating or conflicting accounts of controversial episodes, such as Musk’s vicious grudge against Tesla’s original founders. (If you ever want make an enemy for life, try standing between Musk and full credit for a project he was involved in.) And, contrary to some of his most adamant critics, Musk really does seem to possess a remarkable brain for physics, engineering and business — if perhaps not for running a social media firm. Isaacson persuasively dismisses the notion that Musk owes his success largely to inherited wealth, or that he’s a huckster profiting only from the inventions of others. Musk’s companies have thrived both because of and in spite of him.
Isaacson at times interjects his own, sometimes dryly funny, counterpoints to some of Musk’s more outlandish claims. After he quotes Musk enthusing about his far-fetched Hyperloop plan, “This is going to change everything,” Isaacson begins the next paragraph: “It didn’t change everything.” (What it did change, by some reckonings, were California’s plans to build a high-speed rail line, which Musk has acknowledged he sought to undermine.)
In one of his most entertaining and revealing bits of original reporting, Isaacson fills in the backstory behind a series of technical glitches that plagued Twitter in late 2022 and early 2023, and it does not disappoint.
Steamrolling past Twitter employees’ warnings, Musk insisted on immediately moving thousands of the company’s computer servers from a Sacramento data center to another facility to save money. When they balked, insisting it would take months to do safely, Musk dragooned a carful of friends and family into canceling their Christmas plans to drive to Sacramento, where he personally disconnected one of the servers with the help of a security guard’s pocket knife. He then called in a team of employees to start loading the rest onto a semi truck and some moving vans.
On many occasions over the years, Musk has horrified deputies with these sorts of stunts, only to be vindicated when they pay off handsomely. But in this case it turned out the employees, whom he had threatened to fire for their timidity, had been right. The move caused cascading glitches in Twitter’s software, including the ones that afflicted a highly anticipated live audio event with presidential candidate Ron DeSantis the following May.
The Musk we know today is a different one than the Musk who Isaacson began following in 2021. Since then, he has lurched rightward politically, embracing conspiracies and railing that the “woke mind virus” could unravel civilization; staged a dramatic takeover of Twitter, restoring banned accounts including Donald Trump’s while alienating advertisers and the mainstream media; been accused of sexual misdeeds and revealed as the secret father of multiple additional children; founded a new AI company; and become a power broker in both the Ukraine war and Republican politics. And that’s leaving out a lot.
Isaacson pins the changes at least partly on the pandemic, which drew out Musk’s conspiratorial side, supercharged his Twitter addiction, and amped up his natural mistrust of bureaucratic regulations as covid-19 restrictions hampered Tesla production in California and China. In some ways, as Isaacson points out, Musk is becoming more like his father, Errol, whom Isaacson has found in recent years to be descending into full-on paranoia, conspiracism and overt racism.
So what does Isaacson ultimately make of Elon? In a brief, final assessment, Isaacson takes us back to where he started. The tech tycoon’s “epic feats” don’t excuse his “bad behavior,” but “it’s important to understand how the strands are woven together, sometimes tightly.”
A harder, but more fruitful question than how to reconcile Musk’s idealism and remarkable achievements with his “demon mode,” as Grimes calls it, might have been: What does it say about our world today that so much depends on a man like Musk? That the fate of electric vehicles, self-driving cars, public infrastructure projects, global space exploration, the rules of online discourse, and the life and death of military combatants can be altered at the whim of a notoriously whimsical man? And if he ever does go full Errol, will there be anything we can do about it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/10/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-biography-review/?
The last paragraph says it all.
every time a baby human gestates, with whatever genetic combination that happened, a new experiment is performed, a new human comes about, with a new brain wiring configuration, the neural unfolding is quite unique (ignoring identical twins for now), there’s a gestational environment, then after birth the external environment more directly at work
every time it is an experiment, a roll of the dice, and nature throws diversity of humans, the wiring, the cognitive tools, how they work, the predispositions and whatever shaped
the social and cultural receptivity profile is an experiment every time, quite varied, a lot of variety. Lot of similarity too of course, the tightness of perceived and conceived sameness is part of norm enforcement, in that is how ought people behave, behavior controls, informal mostly, guided by avoidance of adverse attention largely
you know way back there was a monkey that by some accident of birth wasn’t bothered being seen to crack nut shells open, rock in one hand smashing nuts open on another larger rock, initially the other monkeys may have sensed a developmental anomaly, just ignored it hoping the special creature might grow out of it, but soon the nut cracking monkey started accumulating quite a heap of nuts and others were regularly eating them, the nut cracking monkey was onto something, which influenced its mate choice possibility, some social status came from it
the range of savant gifts of humans is a lot of accidents maybe, in a way, in another way it’s not an accident, but been a core diversity generator of human abilities, not all of which has been natural selection, depending how you think of what is natural
anyways, master musk might be a modern nut cracker example, cares more about cracking the nut than immediate approval that might have otherwise inhibited him from doing his own thing, his own way
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
Elon was dissed
He is also changing the world. If you think he is bad, check the history of many famous people. You don’t have to like them, but you should acknowledge the high level they achieved.
dv said:
It will be a genuine error code.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrK3MCFlL38
At the 12:30’ mark.
Rachel Maddow and Ronan Farrow September 11 2023 talking about Musk’s power.
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN
—
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”
Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.html
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.html
Spacex is an integral part of NASA that needs to be reunited with the government, by force if necessary.
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.html
He doesn’t knnow much about history.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.htmlHe doesn’t knnow much about history.
He seems to think that Taiwan and China are like a teenage couple who just want to be together, and every time they start making longing looks at each other, the US Fleet, like some stern parent, steps into the Straits of Taiwan and says, ‘no, you don’t, none of that hanky-panky, thank you very much’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.htmlHe doesn’t knnow much about history.
He seems to think that Taiwan and China are like a teenage couple who just want to be together, and every time they start making longing looks at each other, the US Fleet, like some stern parent, steps into the Straits of Taiwan and says, ‘no, you don’t, none of that hanky-panky, thank you very much’.
You might think differently if you owned a huge factory in China worth squillions.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He doesn’t knnow much about history.
He seems to think that Taiwan and China are like a teenage couple who just want to be together, and every time they start making longing looks at each other, the US Fleet, like some stern parent, steps into the Straits of Taiwan and says, ‘no, you don’t, none of that hanky-panky, thank you very much’.
You might think differently if you owned a huge factory in China worth squillions.
PF you sexy beast we have something in common I love Elon as well, he has that overlord vibe
Have courage, brethren, soon we’ll have our time in the sun
ABC News:
‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
looks up WeChat.
So you can send files as well as short messages then?
Sort of like e-mail?
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
looks up WeChat.
So you can send files as well as short messages then?
Sort of like e-mail?
WeChat is ubiquitous in China – it is used for absolutely everything.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost (((advertisers))).
Fixed.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
I hate him and people like him. It’s all good.
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
rn it’s not clear to me that it’s going to survive even as a subapp
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
rn it’s not clear to me that it’s going to survive even as a subapp
I have gone a bit off the platform.. and I certainly would not pay to use it… looks like linked-in is going to get a boost
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
rn it’s not clear to me that it’s going to survive even as a subapp
Losing money hand over fist.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-hung-up-tesla-worker-inside-burning-factory-report-2023-9
dv said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-hung-up-tesla-worker-inside-burning-factory-report-2023-9
!!!
Hello. Over here.
Bump.
So… what do you lot…think about the brain chip experiment , that Elon has just been approved to commence with people living with a spinal cord injury?
monkey skipper said:
So… what do you lot…think about the brain chip experiment , that Elon has just been approved to commence with people living with a spinal cord injury?
Well good luck to them I suppose
monkey skipper said:
So… what do you lot…think about the brain chip experiment , that Elon has just been approved to commence with people living with a spinal cord injury?
Informed consent and all that, I suppose.
Michael V said:
Bump.
ELON bumped twitter, it fell over and never was the same.
There is speculation Elon suffered a bump to the head as well, and as above was never the same.
Bumps can do that.
Impulsive and self-destructive: Elon Musk as depicted in a new book
The billionaire has a lofty vision for humanity—and is unusually determined to see it through
Elon Musk. By Walter Isaacson. Simon & Schuster; 688 pages; $35 and £28
What exactly is going on with Elon Musk? This question once preoccupied only techie types. But Mr Musk’s prominence in space-launch services, satellite-internet access, electric cars and social media means that the unpredictable behaviour of the world’s richest man now has global consequences. He controls Donald Trump’s access to Twitter, internet connectivity for Ukraine’s armed forces and America’s ability to send people into space. He has altered the course of multiple industries. And he has a knack for spotting what will be important in the future (so his side bets on brain chips and humanoid robots are probably worth watching). It is no surprise so many people now want to know what makes Mr Musk tick.
Walter Isaacson sets out to answer that question in this intimate biography. Previously a biographer of Steve Jobs, he shadowed Mr Musk for two years, gaining access to his family and closest confidants, to produce a detailed psychological portrait.
Born in 1971, Mr Musk had a tumultuous childhood in South Africa. He was brought up partly by a struggling single mother and partly by an abusive father. Violently bullied at school, Mr Musk escaped into daydreams and science-fiction novels. As a young man he emigrated, first to Canada, then America. He made his first millions during the dotcom fever of the late 1990s, co-founding an online business directory and then an online bank that, after a merger, became PayPal. He then set himself the modest goal of turning Homo sapiens into a “multi-planetary species” that could survive extinction on Earth.
It is hard to think of anyone else who has wrought such astounding change in so many different fields of endeavour, notably with SpaceX, his rocket company, and Tesla, a maker of electric cars. Yet Mr Musk is as widely loathed as he is admired, thanks to his pronouncements on politics, his crusade against the “woke mind virus” and his rocky stewardship of Twitter (which for some reason he has renamed X). Mr Isaacson describes a man with a lofty vision for humankind, but who is impulsive, pugnacious and self-destructive.
In Mr Isaacson’s view, Mr Musk is propelled by a conviction that humanity is hurtling towards calamity. Hence his superhuman work ethic (the man barely sleeps) and his tolerance for risk (he has endangered his fortune a number of times and often pushes his engineers to take calculated gambles). Hence, too, his habit of furiously reprimanding or even summarily firing employees whom he deems incompetent or insufficiently committed.
Mr Musk has faith in his own wisdom. When it comes to artificial intelligence, he believes no one but he can be trusted to protect humans from malevolent machines. He is being drawn into geopolitics, too. Mr Isaacson recounts how, as The Economist reported last October, Mr Musk refused to let Starlink, his satellite-internet service, be used by Ukraine to attack Russian forces occupying Crimea, for fear that an assault on the peninsula might provoke nuclear retaliation. (Ukraine attacked it later, triggering no such response.)
What transpires is a picture of a driven, talented entrepreneur who has become increasingly unstable and petty even as his influence over global affairs has grown. No doubt other business leaders are capable of unpredictable behaviour—Jobs comes to mind (a comparison the author encourages)—but they have not provided a live feed of their thoughts on Twitter. Lauded as Jobs’s successor, Mr Musk now draws comparisons with a different mercurial billionaire who inspires cult-like loyalty while acting like an aggrieved toddler.
Has the true Mr Musk emerged, feeling increasingly unconstrained as his wealth and power have grown, or has this behaviour been exacerbated by his use of Twitter? It is probably a bit of both. Mr Isaacson concedes that his subject sometimes behaves foolishly. Mr Musk’s addiction to social media has caused unnecessary spats. He accused a rescue diver in Thailand of being a “pedo guy”, provoking a defamation suit (which Mr Musk won). He declared he had “funding secured” to take Tesla private, when he did not, and had to make a multimillion-dollar settlement with the us Securities and Exchange Commission. As Mr Musk admits: “I’ve shot myself in the foot so often I ought to buy some Kevlar boots.”
In recent years his tweets have lambasted left-wing positions on issues such as gender identity, and flirted with right-wing conspiracy theories. This rightward shift can be explained in part, Mr Isaacson says, by a falling-out between Mr Musk and his transgender daughter Jenna, whose Marxist worldview led her to sever ties with her father. Mr Musk’s belief that Twitter had become infected with wokery and was censoring alternative viewpoints was a big factor in his decision to buy it. Mr Isaacson also speculates that the deal gave Mr Musk, scarred by his childhood bullying, a chance to “own the playground”.
All this now risks overshadowing Mr Musk’s positive contributions. Some Tesla drivers tout bumper stickers that read “I bought this car before we all knew Elon was a jerk”. More worryingly, he seems out of his depth in geopolitics. This doorstep-sized book provides a gripping account of Mr Musk’s extraordinary life. But it is hard to escape the feeling that the story of Elon Musk is still only half told.
https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/09/12/impulsive-and-self-destructive-elon-musk-as-depicted-in-a-new-book?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Impulsive and self-destructive: Elon Musk as depicted in a new book
The billionaire has a lofty vision for humanity—and is unusually determined to see it throughElon Musk. By Walter Isaacson. Simon & Schuster; 688 pages; $35 and £28
What exactly is going on with Elon Musk? This question once preoccupied only techie types. But Mr Musk’s prominence in space-launch services, satellite-internet access, electric cars and social media means that the unpredictable behaviour of the world’s richest man now has global consequences. He controls Donald Trump’s access to Twitter, internet connectivity for Ukraine’s armed forces and America’s ability to send people into space. He has altered the course of multiple industries. And he has a knack for spotting what will be important in the future (so his side bets on brain chips and humanoid robots are probably worth watching). It is no surprise so many people now want to know what makes Mr Musk tick.
Walter Isaacson sets out to answer that question in this intimate biography. Previously a biographer of Steve Jobs, he shadowed Mr Musk for two years, gaining access to his family and closest confidants, to produce a detailed psychological portrait.
Born in 1971, Mr Musk had a tumultuous childhood in South Africa. He was brought up partly by a struggling single mother and partly by an abusive father. Violently bullied at school, Mr Musk escaped into daydreams and science-fiction novels. As a young man he emigrated, first to Canada, then America. He made his first millions during the dotcom fever of the late 1990s, co-founding an online business directory and then an online bank that, after a merger, became PayPal. He then set himself the modest goal of turning Homo sapiens into a “multi-planetary species” that could survive extinction on Earth.
It is hard to think of anyone else who has wrought such astounding change in so many different fields of endeavour, notably with SpaceX, his rocket company, and Tesla, a maker of electric cars. Yet Mr Musk is as widely loathed as he is admired, thanks to his pronouncements on politics, his crusade against the “woke mind virus” and his rocky stewardship of Twitter (which for some reason he has renamed X). Mr Isaacson describes a man with a lofty vision for humankind, but who is impulsive, pugnacious and self-destructive.
In Mr Isaacson’s view, Mr Musk is propelled by a conviction that humanity is hurtling towards calamity. Hence his superhuman work ethic (the man barely sleeps) and his tolerance for risk (he has endangered his fortune a number of times and often pushes his engineers to take calculated gambles). Hence, too, his habit of furiously reprimanding or even summarily firing employees whom he deems incompetent or insufficiently committed.
Mr Musk has faith in his own wisdom. When it comes to artificial intelligence, he believes no one but he can be trusted to protect humans from malevolent machines. He is being drawn into geopolitics, too. Mr Isaacson recounts how, as The Economist reported last October, Mr Musk refused to let Starlink, his satellite-internet service, be used by Ukraine to attack Russian forces occupying Crimea, for fear that an assault on the peninsula might provoke nuclear retaliation. (Ukraine attacked it later, triggering no such response.)
What transpires is a picture of a driven, talented entrepreneur who has become increasingly unstable and petty even as his influence over global affairs has grown. No doubt other business leaders are capable of unpredictable behaviour—Jobs comes to mind (a comparison the author encourages)—but they have not provided a live feed of their thoughts on Twitter. Lauded as Jobs’s successor, Mr Musk now draws comparisons with a different mercurial billionaire who inspires cult-like loyalty while acting like an aggrieved toddler.
Has the true Mr Musk emerged, feeling increasingly unconstrained as his wealth and power have grown, or has this behaviour been exacerbated by his use of Twitter? It is probably a bit of both. Mr Isaacson concedes that his subject sometimes behaves foolishly. Mr Musk’s addiction to social media has caused unnecessary spats. He accused a rescue diver in Thailand of being a “pedo guy”, provoking a defamation suit (which Mr Musk won). He declared he had “funding secured” to take Tesla private, when he did not, and had to make a multimillion-dollar settlement with the us Securities and Exchange Commission. As Mr Musk admits: “I’ve shot myself in the foot so often I ought to buy some Kevlar boots.”
In recent years his tweets have lambasted left-wing positions on issues such as gender identity, and flirted with right-wing conspiracy theories. This rightward shift can be explained in part, Mr Isaacson says, by a falling-out between Mr Musk and his transgender daughter Jenna, whose Marxist worldview led her to sever ties with her father. Mr Musk’s belief that Twitter had become infected with wokery and was censoring alternative viewpoints was a big factor in his decision to buy it. Mr Isaacson also speculates that the deal gave Mr Musk, scarred by his childhood bullying, a chance to “own the playground”.
All this now risks overshadowing Mr Musk’s positive contributions. Some Tesla drivers tout bumper stickers that read “I bought this car before we all knew Elon was a jerk”. More worryingly, he seems out of his depth in geopolitics. This doorstep-sized book provides a gripping account of Mr Musk’s extraordinary life. But it is hard to escape the feeling that the story of Elon Musk is still only half told.
https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/09/12/impulsive-and-self-destructive-elon-musk-as-depicted-in-a-new-book?
Seems like a fair account of a very unusual man.
‘Challenge accepted, Elon’: Mehdi lays out the hate on Musk’s Twitter in gory detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOhMAdDwsc
sarahs mum said:
‘Challenge accepted, Elon’: Mehdi lays out the hate on Musk’s Twitter in gory detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOhMAdDwsc
Well I guess Mehdi does not like Elon either (for what it is worth from a self-righteous dick).
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
‘Challenge accepted, Elon’: Mehdi lays out the hate on Musk’s Twitter in gory detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOhMAdDwsc
Well I guess Mehdi does not like Elon either (for what it is worth from a self-righteous dick).
Self righteous dicks are harmless if they have no funds. The problem is to wrest the money from their greedy clutches.
Cool
dv said:
Cool
Oh he found the video so that’s good
A very definite, strong shot across the bows of Musk from the European Commission.
https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1711808891757944866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1711808891757944866%7Ctwgr%5E66e5ffe4ca2a082caff702bae910ddcad38544e0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2023-10-11%2Fisrael-hamas-conflict-live-wednesday-october-11%2F102959214
Australia fines X, accusing it of ‘empty talk’ on fighting child sexual abuse online
Diksha Madhok, CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/16/tech/x-australia-fine-hnk-intl/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/23/why-is-elon-musk-attacking-wikipedia-because-its-very-existence-offends-him
Witty Rejoinder said:
They’re correct,
As the Nobel Peace prize winner Maria Ressa has warned, online misinformation could end democracy as we know it.
there’s obviously a better system.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgery
Elon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.
7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgeryElon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.
for what purpose? control?
Might get a wee drop of rain out of this, every little bit helps.
Arts said:
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgeryElon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
Peak Warming Man said:
Might get a wee drop of rain out of this, every little bit helps.
fuck you elon!!!
Never mind.
Boris said:
Arts said:
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgeryElon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
imagine being in a work meeting and you are just about to discuss this months figures when your brain has to reboot for an update
Arts said:
Boris said:
Arts said:for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
imagine being in a work meeting and you are just about to discuss this months figures when your brain has to reboot for an update
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Arts said:
Boris said:
Arts said:for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
imagine being in a work meeting and you are just about to discuss this months figures when your brain has to reboot for an update
have you tried turning him off then on again?
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.
Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/
Ha!
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.
Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/Ha!
Not so keen on free speech all the time now I see.
Spiny Norman said:
Not so keen on free speech all the time now I see.
I suppose the line has to be drawn in the sand.
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/
IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
it is in the linked article, but
The original X user’s post claimed Jews “have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”
Musk responded, “You have said the actual truth”
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
——
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
it is in the linked article, but
The original X user’s post claimed Jews “have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”
Musk responded, “You have said the actual truth”
I’m reasonably sure that he has no idea of what actual truth actually is.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
it is in the linked article, but
The original X user’s post claimed Jews “have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”
Musk responded, “You have said the actual truth”
I’m reasonably sure that he has no idea of what actual truth actually is.
On the other hand consider the banning of driving around in a car waving a flag.
I’m preparing my thoughts on the topic of the rise of the pro-Israel anti-Semite.
dv said:
I’m preparing my thoughts on the topic of the rise of the pro-Israel anti-Semite.
That’ll keep you busy.
Given that there’s a whole range of disagreements about Israel and how she is run amongst Israelis themselves, as well as Jews around the world, you’re going to have your work cut out covering the wider picture.
I can remember from my youth how some (but not all) of the elder statesmen in the Jewish community seemed to be puzzled by and wary of the militant Zionism espoused by younger people, and that they ‘kept an eye on it’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m preparing my thoughts on the topic of the rise of the pro-Israel anti-Semite.
That’ll keep you busy.
Given that there’s a whole range of disagreements about Israel and how she is run amongst Israelis themselves, as well as Jews around the world, you’re going to have your work cut out covering the wider picture.
I can remember from my youth how some (but not all) of the elder statesmen in the Jewish community seemed to be puzzled by and wary of the militant Zionism espoused by younger people, and that they ‘kept an eye on it’.
Sure it’s all a rich tapestry but there does seem to be a growing intersection set
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Next they’ll be needing a hospital as a backdrop.
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Photo of the year
dv said:
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Photo of the year
I’m fb friends with the woman who took the photo. She’s been targeted by Build the Wall crackpots, Border Patrol and other delightful arseholes.
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Next they’ll be needing a hospital as a backdrop.
There is the National Butterfly Center nearby.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk. |
From The Infographics Show.
ruby said:
LOLOLOL
ruby said:
Dear oh dear.
ruby said:
My heart bleeds for him.
ruby said:
Looks like he’s pounding on the kilos too. Heading for an early cardiac problem by the looks.
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.
Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
dv said:
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
Where are you getting those figures from?
My amateur googling comes up with a kerb weight of 3,104 kg for the heaviest version, and AFAICT it’s only illegal here because it is in Left Hand Drive only. There is some talk of it being unforgiving in a pedestrian collision, is that what you meant?
Kingy said:
dv said:
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
Where are you getting those figures from?
My amateur googling comes up with a kerb weight of 3,104 kg for the heaviest version, and AFAICT it’s only illegal here because it is in Left Hand Drive only. There is some talk of it being unforgiving in a pedestrian collision, is that what you meant?
From the internet
https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-cybertruck-to-weigh-more-than-four-tonnes-powered-by-three-electric-motors-report/
As reported by Carbuzz, a user of the Cybertruck Owners Club online forum discovered Tesla’s VIN (vehicle identification number) ‘decoder’ in a document submitted to the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).
The document shows the Tesla Cybertruck will weigh between 4082 and 4546 kilograms (or 9001 to 10,000 pounds) – similar to the circa-4400kg GMC Hummer EV, but about twice as much as the Toyota HiLux SR5 dual-cab ute (2110kg).
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dv said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
Where are you getting those figures from?
My amateur googling comes up with a kerb weight of 3,104 kg for the heaviest version, and AFAICT it’s only illegal here because it is in Left Hand Drive only. There is some talk of it being unforgiving in a pedestrian collision, is that what you meant?
From the internet
https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-cybertruck-to-weigh-more-than-four-tonnes-powered-by-three-electric-motors-report/
As reported by Carbuzz, a user of the Cybertruck Owners Club online forum discovered Tesla’s VIN (vehicle identification number) ‘decoder’ in a document submitted to the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).
The document shows the Tesla Cybertruck will weigh between 4082 and 4546 kilograms (or 9001 to 10,000 pounds) – similar to the circa-4400kg GMC Hummer EV, but about twice as much as the Toyota HiLux SR5 dual-cab ute (2110kg).
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Ok, I was reading this one:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-tesla-cybertruck-first-look-review/
“ that’s impressive for the claimed 6,843-pound curb weight of the Cyberbeast specification,”
Brain fart here, the GVWR is 4.5 tonnes, over the 3.5 tonne limit
Tesla is recalling more than two million cars after the US regulator found its driver assistance system, Autopilot, was partly defective.
It follows a two-year investigation into crashes at the firm owned by billionaire Elon Musk, which occurred when Autopilot was in use.
The recall applies to almost every Tesla sold in the US since the Autopilot feature was launched in 2015.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67693935
The phrase “sports futility vehicle” appears to be trending.
Shock
dv said:
Shock
Too much watching of Futurama
Cymek said:
dv said:
Shock
Too much watching of Futurama
Cymek said:
dv said:
Shock
Too much watching of Futurama
having read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
sarahs mum said:
:)
sarahs mum said:
A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
He is being judged by the mediocrity, who lack the guts and initiative to go out on a limb to see what is there. Why do you think most of Australia’s great inventions go overseas? It is because Australia’s very top-heavy mediocrity will sit back too frightened to take a small risk of failure. At least Elon gives it a very good go and has succeeded massively way beyond what was thought possible. Yet Australia’s mediocrity will take comfort by trying to drag him down to their unimportant level.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
He is being judged by the mediocrity, who lack the guts and initiative to go out on a limb to see what is there. Why do you think most of Australia’s great inventions go overseas? It is because Australia’s very top-heavy mediocrity will sit back too frightened to take a small risk of failure. At least Elon gives it a very good go and has succeeded massively way beyond what was thought possible. Yet Australia’s mediocrity will take comfort by trying to drag him down to their unimportant level.
What a load of shit. This isn’t about Australia. Musk is a South African who migrated to the USA. My comments are about how he was/is being treated in the USA. What happens here in Australia is irrelevant.
Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing. But it is NIMBYs like you that complain about population growth and immigration in one breath, and then in the next breath complain about the lack of manufacturing – whatever suits for particular argument at the time, without realising the two are interlinked.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
He is being judged by the mediocrity, who lack the guts and initiative to go out on a limb to see what is there. Why do you think most of Australia’s great inventions go overseas? It is because Australia’s very top-heavy mediocrity will sit back too frightened to take a small risk of failure. At least Elon gives it a very good go and has succeeded massively way beyond what was thought possible. Yet Australia’s mediocrity will take comfort by trying to drag him down to their unimportant level.
What a load of shit. This isn’t about Australia. Musk is a South African who migrated to the USA. My comments are about how he was/is being treated in the USA. What happens here in Australia is irrelevant.
Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing. But it is NIMBYs like you that complain about population growth and immigration in one breath, and then in the next breath complain about the lack of manufacturing – whatever suits for particular argument at the time, without realising the two are interlinked.
You typify the problem with this country and its small-mindedness. Elon Musk and his businesses are WORLDWIDE, not just American, South African or Australian! And the adverse comments whether generated here or overseas by the mediocrity all wish to sully his name and his achievements.
As for trade, Australia trades internationally as do overseas companies with something to sell. There is the internet for communications and a plethora of delivery methods available. Plus it is machinery that makes things cheaper and that is increasingly by robots and Ai. If you have a new invention or discovery there are patents and other means to protect your invention. You are not dealing in sail ships and morse code these days, yet Australian business will shun things new for the tried and proven, and are extremely reluctant to invest in anything else. THAT is why Australia lets good ideas and inventions go overseas because we lack the guts, initiative and pride in ourselves and of our smart people, plus it is a lot easier to let someone else do it first.
party_pants said:
Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing.
Totally agree, although we rarely hear of the successful innovations on the media.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing.
Totally agree, although we rarely hear of the successful innovations on the media.
What happens when people invent or develop something that people want, they set up factories in countries like America, Europe and even China where there are large populations and demand can be satisfied more easily. However, the property rights REMAIN with the inventor and his country also gain from it. Without local support, a cash strapped inventor must trade his ownership of their invention and the rights to it are then transferred to the new country.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing.
Totally agree, although we rarely hear of the successful innovations on the media.
I too have been the victim of the tyranny of distance, that was too great for me to overcome. However, these days with the internet where detailed information can be exchanged in seconds, it is no longer such a big problem. Not only can you now easily and cheaply sell to the whole of Australia, but also to the entire world.
Bump for Sarah’s Mum
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bump for Sarah’s Mum
ta.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bump for Sarah’s Mumta.
There was a comment today about elon banning the community comments on his posts, because facts don’t agree with him.
So, it appears that no-one has challenged his posts with facts recently.
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bump for Sarah’s Mumta.
Lololol 😆 what?
The problem with musk is that he’s a con man.
Tesla and many other companies he’s created are in effect ponzi schemes/ get poor quick schemes.
Check out thunderf00t on youtube – he along with other channels go into detail about the how and why of musk , he’s another Elizabeth Holmes clone.
You shouldn’t take ANYTHING musk says seriously
tauto said:
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
wookiemeister said:
The problem with musk is that he’s a con man.Tesla and many other companies he’s created are in effect ponzi schemes/ get poor quick schemes.
Check out thunderf00t on youtube – he along with other channels go into detail about the how and why of musk , he’s another Elizabeth Holmes clone.
Yeah, his sci-fi rocketships, his AI, robots, satellite communications, etc and you realise that he is no more than a stupid arsehole.
wookiemeister said:
You shouldn’t take ANYTHING musk says seriously
Please someone save us from this self-opinionated idiot.
wookiemeister said:
tauto said:
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
He’s a lie, all of his companies are lies.SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:
tauto said:
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
He’s a lie, all of his companies are lies.SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
I keep going to say that but there is no point. Doesn’t change anything.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:He’s a lie, all of his companies are lies.
SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
I keep going to say that but there is no point. Doesn’t change anything.
Just makes me feel a little better.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
I keep going to say that but there is no point. Doesn’t change anything.
Just makes me feel a little better.
“A judge has ruled that Elon Musk’s record-breaking $US56 billion ($84 billion) Tesla pay package could be voided, calling the compensation “an unfathomable sum” that was not fair to shareholders.”
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-31/elon-musk-84-billion-tesla-pay-package-voided/103408230
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cyberbeer-tastes-like-hot-garbage-some-say-elon-musk-2023-11
Tesla superfans are complaining about its $150 CyberBeer — calling it ‘hot garbage’ and posting pictures of rusty bottle caps
Some Tesla superfans aren’t thrilled with Tesla’s new CyberBeer — and they’re taking to social media to air their grievances.
“Tesla Cyberbeer is hot garbage,” one person complained in a post on X on Tuesday. “Not only is the lid RUSTED but the beer is also nasty.”
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Kingy said:
Heh!
:)
Spiny Norman said:
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Edison was rather the same.
Spiny Norman said:
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Link is for an unrelated video about police illegally stopping drivers for licence checks. (I did not watch teh whole thing).
Bring back Twitter.
Elon go to Mars. Stay there.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Link is for an unrelated video about police illegally stopping drivers for licence checks. (I did not watch teh whole thing).
Weird.
Try this one.
https://youtu.be/iXfafZo3H84?si=wUlTVFBCYlLKEepT
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Link is for an unrelated video about police illegally stopping drivers for licence checks. (I did not watch teh whole thing).
Weird.
Try this one.
https://youtu.be/iXfafZo3H84?si=wUlTVFBCYlLKEepT
Thanks Bill.
Turns out not much I didn’t already know, but interesting to watch anyways.
Kingy said:
Typical of the crap the envious Elon hating, never amounting to much public throw at him. Still good a job he can afford to ignore them.
“ Musk’s Starlink is operational on occupied territory which is shown on their official website. Ukrainian fighters report that their own Starlink speed drops to 0.1 Mb/sec, a thousand times from promised speed. Russians are using their Starlinks without problems which is already felt on the frontline.
Media presumes that activated Starlinks are sold to Russia through UAE. As you see on the map, Starlinks are specifically disabled near the Russian border; Musk can also turn them off for Ukraine when he wants to or turn them on for Russia.”
Russian soldiers now have “Starlink” on the battlefield…
It has been a couple of weeks since they announced that a quadriplegic patient had received a Neuralink implant a couple of weeks ago, but details are scant.
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This strikes me as counter-intuitive. I would have assumed that a “first in human” study would require more scrutiny than a well-established procedure. Obviously the potential for good here is high but the human rights of the patients still have to be protected.
I’m terribly sorry. I copied and pasted that from a news item and it contained unexpected formatting.
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It has been a couple of weeks since they announced that a quadriplegic patient had received a Neuralink implant a couple of weeks ago, but details are scant.
Neuralink does not have to divulge even basic details about its trial, including the facility where patients are being implanted with the device and monitored, as well as the number of participants and expected completion date. That is because the study was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as a “first in human” or “early feasibility” trial, the four experts said, based on Neuralink’s characterizations.
This strikes me as counter-intuitive. I would have assumed that a “first in human” study would require more scrutiny than a well-established procedure. Obviously the potential for good here is high but the human rights of the patients still have to be protected.
dv said:
I’m terribly sorry. I copied and pasted that from a news item and it contained unexpected formatting.— —
It has been a couple of weeks since they announced that a quadriplegic patient had received a Neuralink implant a couple of weeks ago, but details are scant.
Neuralink does not have to divulge even basic details about its trial, including the facility where patients are being implanted with the device and monitored, as well as the number of participants and expected completion date. That is because the study was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as a “first in human” or “early feasibility” trial, the four experts said, based on Neuralink’s characterizations.This strikes me as counter-intuitive. I would have assumed that a “first in human” study would require more scrutiny than a well-established procedure. Obviously the potential for good here is high but the human rights of the patients still have to be protected.
From what I’ve read brain scarring around the electrode renders the electrode useless.
Bad idea use non invasive instead.
Elon creates vapourware to boost his companies share price. After a while the original idea will fizzle away. Neuralink has stayed active because it doesn’t burn money like hyperloop
Maybe someone else can start a new Twitter.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe someone else can start a new Twitter.
I’m on Threads which is fine but it’s got like 5% of the traffic of Twitter.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe someone else can start a new Twitter.
in fairness… someone already has
Elon Musk on The Don Lemon Show – Full Interview
I’ve not watched it, but some here might want to.
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Like the upsidedown US light switches.
I think that Australia is something of the exception there.
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Even more hilarious:
Imagine a just-barely-possible further eight years of an increasingly demented Trump in the White House. Unless they could finagle a way to keep him there longer.
*conservative
These worms got me good.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Like the upsidedown US light switches.
I’m so excited to be returning to sane electrical and plumbing systems! I really want a kitchen sink with a draining board.
Someone should tell Elon that if he doesn’t like it he should fuck off back to South Africa.
kii said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Like the upsidedown US light switches.I’m so excited to be returning to sane electrical and plumbing systems! I really want a kitchen sink with a draining board.
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
I very doubt if you have watched a single interview.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
I very doubt if you have watched a single interview.
Just a few. Maybe i made some unlucky choices. I’m good at that.
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Also I suppose regardless of what he has achieved how are his employees treated.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
He is a complicated man where anything is possible.
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Also I suppose regardless of what he has achieved how are his employees treated.
With the thousands of employees spread over many businesses and countries, I would imagine there would be many managers more than capable of looking after such things. Why people think the richest man in the world with the largest car manufacturing plant and the most suffocated space travel, plus many other top high-tech businesses should be responsible for every operation (large and small) in his vast business organisation I find somewhat unrealistic.
https://www.threads.net/@tradesunioncongress/post/C4p9PoyKiAC/?xmt=AQGzMWSqvUuKHp7-X6z8bFbWHq3DMn2h5ffTXjIa4lyo5Q
Lords and peasants
dv said:
https://www.threads.net/@tradesunioncongress/post/C4p9PoyKiAC/?xmt=AQGzMWSqvUuKHp7-X6z8bFbWHq3DMn2h5ffTXjIa4lyo5QLords and peasants
Well said that man. Not Musk, the other man :)))
PermeateFree said:
… the richest man in the world with the largest car manufacturing plant and the most suffocated space travel, plus many other top high-tech businesses…
What other “top high-tech businesses does he own?
I can only think of Neuralink, The Boring Company, Twitter/X and xAI. None of these are “top” companies in their fields.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
He is a complicated man where anything is possible.
I have known a few people like Elon Musk, highly intelligent but with the same character traits. They can achieve quite clever things but are also really good at self sabotaging their successes due to their flawed ego needs. Sadly in self sabotaging, they can also bring down those closest to them, and those not so close. Elon’s recent embrace of right wing ideology I suspect is to draw attention away from certain things he doesn’t want people to notice.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Also I suppose regardless of what he has achieved how are his employees treated.
With the thousands of employees spread over many businesses and countries, I would imagine there would be many managers more than capable of looking after such things. Why people think the richest man in the world with the largest car manufacturing plant and the most suffocated space travel, plus many other top high-tech businesses should be responsible for every operation (large and small) in his vast business organisation I find somewhat unrealistic.
I also get a hard on for Elon my friend
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
A far-right Austrian who received donations from and communicated with the Christchurch terrorist before the 2019 attack has had his X account restored, with X owner Elon Musk replying to one of his tweets.
The founder of the so-called Identitarian Movement, Martin Sellner, who preaches the superiority of European ethnic groups, was banned from Twitter in 2020 under the former management along with dozens of other accounts linked to the movement amid criticism over the platform’s handling of extremist content.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/19/elon-musk-replies-x-twitter-martin-sellner-far-right-identitarian-movement-christchurch-terrorist-attack
PermeateFree said:
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
Someone literally posted Musk’s own words: direct from the moron’s mouth so to speak.
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
Someone literally posted Musk’s own words: direct from the moron’s mouth so to speak.
He’s an attention seeker and they tend to shit people off
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
Someone literally posted Musk’s own words: direct from the moron’s mouth so to speak.
It is very easy to cherry-pick snippets of conversation to make it appear to be what you want it to be.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
In case you didn’t see this tweet from Musk, PF:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
he doesn’t have good policies though. and this “listening to both sides” is a fucking joke.
We have an Elon love thread over there if someone needs a safe space wherewithin to sing his praises.
Michael V said:
In case you didn’t see this tweet from Musk, PF:
Well again this quip is probably related to what was going on in the media. I recall there was talk that if Trump did not win there would be another revolution in America, and that would fit the quote, Most comment is relevant to other related matters and a short sentence like that makes me at least, none the wiser.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
he doesn’t have good policies though. and this “listening to both sides” is a fucking joke.
It is not listening to both sides, it is giving Trump an opportunity to state his case that is usually extreme and sensible people should realise that and criticise it with facts, but the real advantage of being forewarned, is to permit you to be prepared.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
And of course, along with people who think the same as you, you absorb all they say and think you know a person’s character which I think says more about yours than it does of E. Musk. Just one thing for you to remember Witty: Never ask your enemies for a character reference!
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
And of course, along with people who think the same as you, you absorb all they say and think you know a person’s character which I think says more about yours than it does of E. Musk. Just one thing for you to remember Witty: Never ask your enemies for a character reference!
Well I’m glad we got that sorted.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
And of course, along with people who think the same as you, you absorb all they say and think you know a person’s character which I think says more about yours than it does of E. Musk. Just one thing for you to remember Witty: Never ask your enemies for a character reference!
Well I’m glad we got that sorted.
Next item on the agenda: reconciling the Israelis and the Palestinians.
dv said:
Gourd.
Musk tried to ‘punish’ critics, judge rules, in tossing a lawsuit
In a win for hate-speech researchers, a federal judge in California dismisses X’s lawsuit under the state’s anti-SLAPP law
By Will Oremus and Taylor Telford
Updated March 25, 2024 at 5:37 p.m. EDT|Published March 25, 2024 at 1:22 p.m. EDT
A federal judge in California on Monday threw out the entirety of a lawsuit by Elon Musk’s X against the nonprofit Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), ruling that the lawsuit was an attempt to silence X’s critics.
“X Corp.’s motivation in bringing this case is evident,” U.S. District Judge Charles R. Breyer wrote in a 52-page ruling. “X Corp. has brought this case in order to punish CCDH for CCDH publications that criticized X Corp. — and perhaps in order to dissuade others who might wish to engage in such criticism.”
X sued the Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit in July 2023 after it published a report alleging that the social network was profiting from hate after Musk reinstated scores of previously suspended accounts of “neo-Nazis, white supremacists, misogynists and spreaders of dangerous conspiracy theories.” X alleged that the group improperly gained access to data about X and that its claims influenced advertisers to spend less money on the site, costing X tens of millions of dollars in lost revenue.
The ruling is a win for research groups that study online platforms and a blow to Musk’s campaign to portray X’s loss of advertisers as a vast conspiracy against him. Under Musk, X has also sued the nonprofit Media Matters for America in federal court in Texas, and it threatened to sue the Anti-Defamation League before reaching a détente with that group.
Musk “certainly doesn’t seem to champion free-speech rights when the speaker is being critical of him,” said David Greene, senior staff attorney and civil liberties director at the digital rights nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Breyer dismissed the suit under California’s strict laws against what are known as SLAPPs, or strategic lawsuits against public participation. The judge did not mince words in his finding that the suit lacked merit and appeared to be a blatant attempt to intimidate researchers and critics.
“Sometimes it is unclear what is driving a litigation, and only by reading between the lines of a complaint can one attempt to surmise a plaintiff’s true purpose,” Breyer wrote. “Other times, a complaint is so unabashedly and vociferously about one thing that there can be no mistaking that purpose. This case represents the latter circumstance. This case is about punishing the Defendants for their speech.”
Under California’s anti-SLAPP statute, defendants are entitled to have their legal fees paid by the plaintiffs who filed the frivolous suit.
Imran Ahmed, CCDH’s CEO, cheered Breyer’s ruling in a phone interview Monday, calling it a “complete victory” that should “embolden” public-interest researchers everywhere to continue their work.
“It is quite clear that this was an unconstitutional attempt to shut down the free speech of critics of Elon Musk, by Elon Musk, a self-proclaimed ‘free-speech absolutist,’” Ahmed said. “It’s an enormous relief to the team at CCDH that we now can continue our mission to hold these companies accountable.”
Jonathan Hawk, an attorney representing X in the case, declined to comment. Musk could not be reached for comment, and a request for comment from X was met with an autoreply.
Alejandra Caraballo, a clinical instructor at Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic, said the ruling was “probably the best decision that could have come out of this case with a view toward actually protecting free speech.” “We don’t want the wealthy, the powerful and others to silence dissent through litigation they know is frivolous just because they have the resources,” Caraballo said.
While Musk has billed himself as a “free-speech absolutist,” he has on several occasions barred journalists and activists from the site for posting information that he said violated its rules. Caraballo experienced that last week when her X account was banned after she amplified the identity of anonymous neo-Nazi comic artist StoneToss. The platform cracked down on mentions of the user’s supposed identity and changed the terms of service to prohibit naming the person behind an anonymous account. (Caraballo’s account has since been reinstated.)
CCDH was one of several research groups that found a rise in hate speech on the site after Musk bought it in October 2022. As some advertisers paused spending on X, Musk attempted to control the damage, claiming in November 2022 that hate speech had fallen “below our prior norms.”
On Nov. 10, 2022, CCDH published what it called a “fact-check” of those claims. The group said data from an analytics tool for advertisers called Brandwatch showed that the use of some particularly vile slurs had spiked dramatically.
In February 2023, another CCDH report titled “Toxic Twitter” found that a group of 10 extremist accounts whose bans were lifted by Musk was generating billions of views with their tweets and likely bringing in millions in ad revenue. The implication was that Musk was profiting from the speech of people such as neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin, self-described “misogynist influencer” Andrew Tate and leading vaccine conspiracy theorists.
X cited both reports, along with a previous report that CCDH published before Musk’s purchase of Twitter, in its lawsuit. The company said the group violated its terms of service, improperly used the Brandwatch advertising tool and violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act’s provision against unauthorized access to machines and data.
But while X accused CCDH of harming its reputation, it did not bring a legal claim of defamation, which would have required it to prove that the reports were untrue. CCDH’s lawyers suggested that might be because X didn’t want to open itself to a legal discovery process that would generate evidence about “the truth about the content on its platform.”
Breyer, the judge, took note of that choice, writing in his ruling that X wanted to “have it both ways — to be spared the burdens of pleading a defamation claim, while bemoaning the harm to its reputation, and seeking punishing damages based on reputational harm.”
In a similar case, X sued the liberal media watchdog group Media Matters in Texas in November 2023 after it published a report showing that the site appeared to be running ads alongside blatantly pro-Nazi posts. Multiple businesses, including IBM, Apple and Disney, subsequently suspended their advertising on the platform.
“The court made it clear that Elon Musk is using lawsuits to silence critics and would-be critics,” said Angelo Carusone, president of Media Matters, noting that Musk had “enlisted several Republican state to initiate harassing investigations against us.”
“Today was a good day for free speech, but there is a long road ahead before it can be marked safe from Musk’s abuse,” Carusone said.
Greene said he hopes the high-profile ruling against Musk will discourage others from trying to use frivolous lawsuits as a tool for intimidation and silencing critics. But he said it’s unlikely the CCDH ruling will have any bearing on the pending lawsuit in Texas against Media Matters because “the claims are different,” noting that Musk sued for defamation in that case.
Texas has become a favored venue for Musk as he has battled lawsuits in other jurisdictions. He moved Tesla’s corporate headquarters from California to Austin in 2021, and he moved the incorporation of SpaceX to Texas from Delaware in February, after a Delaware judge voided his $56 billion pay package for Tesla. The day Musk filed his lawsuit against Media Matters, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton ® launched a fraud investigation into the nonprofit, subpoenaing materials related to its reporting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/03/25/musk-x-lawsuit-slapp-center-digital-hate/?
Musk, the right winged censor.
Who could forget this classic?
dv said:
Who could forget this classic?
I remember twitter… those were the days
Arts said:
dv said:
Who could forget this classic?
I remember twitter… those were the days
I can go way back to when Samantha Fox would get her Bristol city’s out on page 3, now you’re lucky if the local rag has 3 pages.
I did know Musk was a union-busting cunch but I was unaware of this lawsuit.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-26/trader-joe-s-follows-spacex-in-arguing-nlrb-is-unconstitutional
Trader Joe’s Follows SpaceX in Arguing US Labor Board Is Unconstitutional
Grocery chain Trader Joe’s is joining Elon Musk’s SpaceX in arguing that the US labor board, which is prosecuting cases against both companies, is unconstitutional.
At a Jan. 16 National Labor Relations Board hearing in Connecticut, an attorney for Trader Joe’s told the judge considering union-busting allegations against it that the company wished to introduce a new argument in its defense.
Did he forget that he is foreign born and has like a dozen kids?
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
Not All All Ins
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
The Show More doesn’t work.
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
Buy more chips, feed more gulls.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
Buy more chips, feed more gulls.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
The Show More doesn’t work.
Try pressing this:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
The Show More doesn’t work.
Try pressing this:
Big red buttons are usually something good
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:The Show More doesn’t work.
Try pressing this:
Big red buttons are usually something good
I beg to differ.
Bogsnorkler said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Try pressing this:
Big red buttons are usually something good
I beg to differ.
He’s always been pro-virus, but he’s too young to be making these jokes.
Court transcript
dv said:
Court transcript
Faaaark!
dv said:
Court transcript
AI
All Fascists Are Hitrusk¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Court transcript
AI
He’s a really strange dude.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Court transcript
AI
Musk cut straight to the chase there.
With Tesla’s stock taking a nose dive this year and his social media platform X (Twitter) in perpetual upheaval thanks in part to his irregular utterances, at least Elon Musk has his successful space enterprise to look to. Or not. SpaceX’s prized Starlink satellite business is still burning through more cash than it brings in. People familiar with its finances say Starlink has at times lost hundreds of dollars on each of the millions of ground terminals it ships, casting doubt on Musk’s claim that the business is in “profitable territory.”
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Bloomberg email newsletter
Witty Rejoinder said:
With Tesla’s stock taking a nose dive this year and his social media platform X (Twitter) in perpetual upheaval thanks in part to his irregular utterances, at least Elon Musk has his successful space enterprise to look to. Or not. SpaceX’s prized Starlink satellite business is still burning through more cash than it brings in. People familiar with its finances say Starlink has at times lost hundreds of dollars on each of the millions of ground terminals it ships, casting doubt on Musk’s claim that the business is in “profitable territory.”…
Bloomberg email newsletter
Does Tesla still make most of their money by selling carbon credits to other automakers?
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
With Tesla’s stock taking a nose dive this year and his social media platform X (Twitter) in perpetual upheaval thanks in part to his irregular utterances, at least Elon Musk has his successful space enterprise to look to. Or not. SpaceX’s prized Starlink satellite business is still burning through more cash than it brings in. People familiar with its finances say Starlink has at times lost hundreds of dollars on each of the millions of ground terminals it ships, casting doubt on Musk’s claim that the business is in “profitable territory.”…
Bloomberg email newsletter
Does Tesla still make most of their money by selling carbon credits to other automakers?
Dunno.
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<
https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
PermeateFree said:
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
Shouldn’t this be in the Love Thread?
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
Shouldn’t this be in the Love Thread?
Just trying to add a little reality.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
Shouldn’t this be in the Love Thread?
Just trying to add a little reality.
You’ll have to take it up with Bloomberg I’m afraid.
Look At These CHINA Shills ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-12/china-ultra-high-speed-trains-maglev-how-fast/103644930
Everyone Knows This Was A Felon Idea ¡
Having remade Twitter, Elon Musk takes his speech fight global
The X owner has become a bridge between American conservatives and the global far right
By Elizabeth Dwoskin, Terrence McCoy and Marina Dias
April 18, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
SAN FRANCISCO — To Elon Musk, the Brazilian Supreme Court justice is a “dictator.”
In the justice’s view, Musk is allowing his social media platform to support the “digital militias” that are using disinformation to threaten democracy.
Together, they’re making this South American nation the battleground for the global debate on free speech and fake news, a dispute that could affect how people everywhere communicate information, ideas and opinions online.
On one side, there’s Alexandre de Moraes, one of the world’s most aggressive prosecutors of disinformation. In recent years, as right-wing Brazilian leader Jair Bolsonaro and his supporters questioned the integrity of Brazil’s elections, Moraes was granted expanded powers to fight false claims online. As head of the country’s top elections court, he has issued arrest warrants against dozens of figures and demanded that social media companies take down scores of accounts.
Then there’s Musk, the combative tech billionaire who, since taking over Twitter, has loosened the platform’s restrictions on hateful content and allowed misinformation to flood the platform in the name of free speech.
Their opposing worldviews exploded into public view this month, when Musk announced he would no longer countenance judicial orders from Moraes, who he said was breaking Brazilian law, and threatened to shutter the platform, now called X, in one of its most active markets.
Moraes, in response, said he was adding Musk as a target in his ongoing criminal investigation into political groups accused of using false information to attack democracy.
Musk did not respond to a request for comment. Moraes declined to comment.
The dispute could influence how social media platforms police their users in countries that regulate free speech differently than the United States. And it’s cementing Musk’s rise as an avatar of the global right, where he’s found common ground with some of its most prominent and polarizing figures.
Since declaring his independence from Moraes’s orders, Musk has met with Argentine President Javier Milei at a Tesla factory in Texas, been invited to a live online appearance with Bolsonaro and said he will meet soon with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. All are populists bolstered by online armies that have been accused of spreading disinformation.
Musk has spent the past week interacting online with conservative Brazilians whose accounts have been banned by Moraes — a group that has long sought his attention. In the United States, meanwhile, congressional Republicans, who have long sparred with tech giants over online censorship, have subpoenaed X’s records related to its operations in Brazil.
Musk’s politics form “a connective tissue between these far-right figures and movements,” said Emerson Brooking, a disinformation researcher with the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council. “He is globalizing America’s culture wars.”
Over the weekend, X walked back Musk’s challenge, telling the court in a letter it would continue to comply with all of its orders, according to a copy obtained by The Washington Post.
Musk has not commented publicly on the reversal. X declined to comment.
Musk remains a target of Moraes’s investigation, according to a Supreme Court official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under rules set by the court. That probe goes beyond X’s content moderation policies into whether Musk is part of an organized threat to the country’s democracy.
Differing definitions of free speech
In Brazil, Latin America’s largest democracy, internet users spend an average of more than nine hours a day online, according to the market research firm Kepios. They enjoy freedom of expression, but it’s not an absolute right.
In the United States, the First Amendment guarantees Americans wide latitude to speak publicly. In Brazil, hate speech and using disinformation to attack people or democracy are crimes.
Bolsonaro and his supporters have strained those limits with misinformation about the coronavirus, unfounded allegations against the electoral system and digital invective. Many who have posted such material have come under investigation by Moraes.
The judge ordered one blogger arrested for allegedly spreading anti-democratic ideas and committing crimes against honor. He ordered the arrest and censure of a federal congressman for calling for a new AI-5, a notorious decree from Brazil’s 20th-century dictatorship that curtailed political freedoms and consolidated the military’s hold on power.
People who have had their social media accounts blocked have also had assets frozen — sometimes, they say, with no explanation of what they did wrong. As a consequence, some have relocated to the United States.
These efforts have drawn criticism not only from the right, but also from tech companies and advocates for free speech. Musk says Moraes has gone too far.
Rolling back the rules
Twitter once enjoyed a reputation for fighting harder than others against demands by foreign governments to censor domestic activists and dissidents. It sued India and Turkey to protect content that was critical of their leaders.
In the United States, the company policed content on coronavirus misinformation and election falsehoods.
But when Musk bought the company in the fall of 2022, he argued that any content should be permitted unless it was expressly illegal. In his first months as chief executive, he rolled back rules against misinformation and restored thousands of banned accounts.
He also began taking steps, including charging for verification and engaging certain users, that have had the effect of boosting the visibility of conservative and right-wing accounts.
The platform’s record since then has been mixed. On the eve of Turkish elections last year, X complied with the demand of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to restrict accounts. The company reportedly blocked the accounts of more than 100 activists and journalists at the Indian government’s request.
“Musk’s X is willing to comply and censor people much more than Twitter ever did,” Brooking said. In Brazil, “Musk has found a cause that lets him articulate his twisted vision of free speech: Not free speech for democratic activists, or for regular people, but for people who share his politics.”
‘Why are you doing this …?’
Moraes wasn’t always a villain to the Brazilian right. He was appointed to the Supreme Court in 2017 by conservative President Michel Temer.
But in a country haunted by the military dictatorship of 1964 to 1985, the rise of Bolsonaro, an open admirer of the regime, changed everything.
As president during the coronavirus pandemic, he dismissed concerns about the coronavirus, railed against vaccinations and pushed unproven treatments.
For more than a year leading up to the 2022 election, a polarizing choice between Bolsonaro and leftist former president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Bolsonaristas pushed doubts about electronic voting systems in a strategy that mirrored Donald Trump’s unfounded accusations in 2020.
Before the vote, Moraes sought an expanded interpretation of the election court’s authority to investigate, censor and prosecute people suspected of undermining public institutions. The Supreme Court granted him the power to order the immediate removal of problematic content — and fine or suspend companies that did not comply.
The effort has drawn criticism.
The court effectively “changed its stance” from having once protected speech to now controlling speech, said constitutional lawyer André Mardiglia, who has represented a magazine that was censored by Moraes. “We understand ourselves to be a democracy, but we do not have the freedom of expression that full democracies have.”
After Bolsonaro’s loss, thousands of his supporters stormed federal buildings in Brasília in January 2023 in what some said was an effort to overturn the election. Moraes called for stronger regulations on social media companies. Two right-leaning platforms, Rumble and its subsidiary Locals, have since pulled out of Brazil.
In another parallel with Trump, Bolsonaro skipped Lula’s inauguration and traveled to Florida, where he discussed online speech with Trump strategist Stephen K. Bannon and others, deepening ties with the American far right.
When Musk took control of Twitter, Brazilian conservative influencers who had been targeted by Moraes saw an opportunity. They tweeted at Musk for help.
Musk asked staff to look into their claims, according to a person familiar with the discussion, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it. They concluded that reinstating accounts that had been banned by court order would violate Brazilian law.
Then last week, the company’s government affairs team posted that it had been “forced by court decisions to block certain popular accounts” in Brazil, but could not say which ones and was not told why.
Musk followed with a question for Moraes: “Why are you doing this @alexandre?” Then in a cascade of tweets to his 180 million followers, he called the judge a “brutal dictator,” a “shame” and “Brazil’s Darth Vader.” He said he would be reinstating the accounts.
Moraes, in response, accused Musk of starting a disinformation campaign and coordinating with the digital militias that promoted the Jan. 8, 2023, riot.
Paulo Figueiredo, a Brazilian journalist and influencer based in Florida, said Moraes had censored his social media accounts, frozen his bank accounts and taken away his passport so he could not return to Brazil. He says he does not know why.
Until the Brasília riot, he was a popular commentator on Jovem Pan. The São Paulo-based radio network kicked him and other conservative commentators off the air after Jan. 8.
He now broadcasts from his home studio on seven different social channels and has tagged Musk on X several times in the past year.
In a recent post, Figueiredo urged the X owner to ignore Brazil’s restrictions. Last week, Musk finally responded: He agreed.
Figueiredo called Musk’s new interest in Brazil “a complete game changer.”
Thiago de Aragão, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies who advises companies on risk in Latin America, warned that Musk’s fight has potential downsides for X and other tech companies.
“What’s going on in Brazil could inspire other countries to … ultimately become more restrictive,” he said.
The country, said Brooking of the Atlantic Council, could become an important cause for right-wing groups worldwide, including in the United States in an election year in which tech companies have largely retreated from policing misinformation.
“If you’ve built your career around Big Tech censorship … you have to find a new enemy somewhere.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/18/musk-moraes-brazil-free-speech/?
I see that the Australian Federal and NSW governments have aligned themselves with this side of the debate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see that the Australian Federal and NSW governments have aligned themselves with this side of the debate.
Oh dear
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see that the Australian Federal and NSW governments have aligned themselves with this side of the debate.
The stabbing video refusal?
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
No Foreign Interference Here
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
Australia started as a prison, its natural that the population just do what it’s told. I’ve watched for the last few decades as IQ and critical thinking has plunged. Expect more knife attacks.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
could be a case of “this is our tragedy and we want to own it to grieve. We don’t want voyeurs”
wookiemeister said:
Australia started as a prison, its natural that the population just do what it’s told. I’ve watched for the last few decades as IQ and critical thinking has plunged. Expect more knife attacks.
You wouldn’t recognize critical thinking if it ran you over with a Ukrainian tank.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
Politicians of all persuasions like to be at the top of the pile telling others what they can and cannot do. Elon Musk is outside their immediate level of authority of which they do not like one little bit and will try to destroy him if they cannot control him, plus if you can pick up some votes from a non-critical thinking public, so much the better.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
LOL
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
Then again, there is the principle that multinational businesses who want to operate in Australia need to do so within the laws of Australia.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Kingy said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
esselte said:It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
Yet so many prominent people frequently indulge in it.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
esselte said:It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
Yet so many prominent people frequently indulge in it.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
esselte said:It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
Yes, political hot air is frowned upon in public.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The stabbed Bishop wants the video to stay online.
roughbarked said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The stabbed Bishop wants the video to stay online.
Well yeah violent right wing extremists would want to publish inflammatory material.
“If somebody doesn’t believe Tesla’s going to solve autonomy, I think they should not be an investor in the company,” Musk said on Tuesday’s earnings call.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-28/jacinda-ardern-christchurch-call-esafety-commissioner-elon-musk/103765202
After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-28/jacinda-ardern-christchurch-call-esafety-commissioner-elon-musk/103765202After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pm
Enjoy!
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pmEnjoy!
Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pmEnjoy!
Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pmEnjoy!
Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
I’m sure mr musk will tell us all about how fabulous he is.
He won’t be biased at all.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Kingy said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
I’m sure mr musk will tell us all about how fabulous he is.
He won’t be biased at all.
Just watch the program instead of making all these stupid statements. You might even learn something.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
personally i think the australian government trying to ban these things being accessible in other countries rather fruitless. Sure they can still be accessed here and with the technology today it is easy to circumvent. It would be nice if the media companies had a little more social responsibility in these matters.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
JudgeMental said:
personally i think the australian government trying to ban these things being accessible in other countries rather fruitless. Sure they can still be accessed here and with the technology today it is easy to circumvent. It would be nice if the media companies had a little more social responsibility in these matters.
You are far too sensible and realistic for social media.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Do you shit in your pants too?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Do you shit in your pants too?
Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Do you shit in your pants too?
Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Go and shit somewhere else. The program is starting for those who have open minds.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Do you shit in your pants too?
Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Go and shit somewhere else. The program is starting for those who have open minds.
Have you taken off your pants and taken out the lube?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Go and shit somewhere else. The program is starting for those who have open minds.
Have you taken off your pants and taken out the lube?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/29/elon-musk-twitter-x-takeover-review-the-billionaire-is-laughably-grandiose-at-times
a review.
Did you enjoy the article, PermeateFree? I know you like to stay up-to-date.
dv said:
Did you enjoy the article, PermeateFree? I know you like to stay up-to-date.
Yes I did, although much was commonly known but it displayed a highly complex individual in a highly complex environment. The review Boris posted did not include the part with him meeting international leaders and the comment made that since he purchased Twitter, they pay him greater attention as it has given him political power, which in his other business interests like Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, etc. is extremely useful.
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
SCIENCE said:
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
silly boy
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
silly boy
So you don’t have facts to state fine we accept the admission.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
silly boy
So you don’t have facts to state fine we accept the admission.
sb
Someone shared a sus xweet from EM this morn so I checked out his xwitter account… couldn’t find it so either it was fake or he deleted. What I did find was just a solid wall of fasc.
dv said:
Someone shared a sus xweet from EM this morn so I checked out his xwitter account… couldn’t find it so either it was fake or he deleted. What I did find was just a solid wall of fasc.
What does fasc. mean?
Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter, now known as X, left the company’s Australian outpost riddled with under-investment as it defends itself against the Labor government in a free speech row over the Wakeley church stabbing.
Twitter’s Australian operation reported just $3.4 million in revenue in the first half of 2023, plunging more than 80 per cent, new documents filed with the corporate regulator show, representing its final submission before being taken private.
The platform, which Statista estimates has about 4 million users in Australia, paid its international parent $2.9 million in January this year, but it is expected it will be wound up before the end of 2024.
Twitter was absorbed by Mr Musk’s X Holdings II company and delisted from the New York Stock Exchange in October 2022. The chief executive of SpaceX and Tesla, Mr Musk paid $US44 billion for Twitter.
He cut roughly 80 per cent of Twitter’s staff over the months that followed, as well as most other costs. In the chaos and controversy, many advertisers pulled advertising from X.
Mr Musk, who has been battling with the Australian government and eSafety commissioner over allowing violent videos on the platform, told them to “go f—- yourself”.
The alleged attack on a bishop in western Sydney was deemed an act of terrorism and commissioner Julie Inman Grant sought Federal Court action to force X to take down 65 postings of graphic footage.
She is seeking to do that under the powers the parliament granted her – under the Morrison government – in the Online Safety Act in 2021.
Undesirable business
A glimpse into the Australian entity presents an undesirable business. With $3.4 million in revenue, Twitter Australia Holdings spent $1.2 million on sales and marketing, $285,000 on administration, $99,000 on research and development, and $21,000 on anything else.
Its operating profit for the first six months of 2023 was $1.9 million – almost all of which went to the tax office. Its net profit was $4804.
Salaries were slashed 87 per cent, to $1.2 million from $9 million. Bonuses were cut to $258,000 from $1.4 million – an 82 per cent fall. Marketing expenses were cut 93 per cent, to just $61,000 from $821,000.
Facilities expenses were slashed by 99 per cent to just $2880 – after the axe fell, most employees were working from home. Link
It even saved thousands of dollars on its audit bill by switching from KPMG Australia to RSM Australia Partners, which billed $25,500 in 2023.
Twitter paid $1.5 million as a dividend to its parent in 2023, and the financial statements said it paid $2.9 million in January 2024. After paying more than $1 million to its executives in 2022, and despite having a listed managing director for Australia (Angus Keene), there were no “key management personnel” identified in 2023.
Small player
Twitter has always been a relatively tiny part of the Australian advertising landscape. In 2021, Twitter made $14.8 million in revenue in an advertising market worth $19.7 billion, according to PwC estimates. Link
Twitter’s cash flows reveal it received $8.2 million in receipts over the half, down from the 2022 calendar year’s $21.6 million.
The local company reported “no revenue generating activities” from July 1 last year, being in the process of winding up. The financials lodged with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission were prepared on “a non-going-concern basis”.
“Twitter Australia Holdings Pty Ltd has ceased all revenue generating activities effective from 1 July 2023 and is expected to deregister the company in 2024.”
RCR
Tesla’s shares have jumped after reports the company owed by billionaire Elon Musk has cleared an important regulatory hurdle in China by partnering with search giant Baidu. A deal with Baidu brings Mr Musk a step closer to rolling out Tesla’s self-driving technology in China, where the electric car manufacturer has been hoping to launch autonomous driving. Mr Musk made a surprise visit to meet one of China’s leaders, Premier Li Qiang.
Elon Musk: 3 years to Bankruptcy
By Thunderf00t
– Ouch!
Spiny Norman said:
Elon Musk: 3 years to Bankruptcy
By Thunderf00t – Ouch!
LOL
dv said:
dv said:
He prefers the master/slave relationship but he doesn’t want to admit it out loud.
Kingy said:
dv said:
He prefers the master/slave relationship but he doesn’t want to admit it out loud.
‘Don’t be bossy’: What to say to a friend who tells you they’re experiencing DV
Kingy said:
dv said:
He prefers the master/slave relationship but he doesn’t want to admit it out loud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sctgA2qa-rA
Elon Musk: I disagree with the idea of unions
dv said:
Lord Elon is so insightful.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Lord Elon is so insightful.
having or showing an accurate and deep understanding; perceptive.
;-)
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Lord Elon is so insightful.
having or showing an accurate and deep understanding; perceptive.
;-)
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
“Elon Musk’s X can be liable for hate speech published on platform in landmark QCAT ruling”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-24/x-twitter-landmark-queensland-court-ruling-muslim-discrimination/103888058
FWIW …
Elon Musk: Everything You Didn’t Know About His Sh*tty Past.
Spiny Norman said:
FWIW …
Elon Musk: Everything You Didn’t Know About His Sh*tty Past.
welcome to another edition of this [ __ ] guy the series where we pick one [ __ ] guy who’s making America worse explore why they suck I’m Aron Ryan host of crooked media’s hysteria podcast and I’m Alysa Master Monaco the other host of crooked media’s hysteria podcast and as you can probably see by our setup we are in person today the most special of treats Alyssa today we’re going to dive into one of the best embodiments of the internet adage nothing that only straight men like is cool we will be looking into The Life and Times of the worst thing to come from South Africa since apartheid a man who despite growing evidence that he’s shall we say not in the head space to control space exploration electric vehicle manufacturing Communications or the Biotech Industry is still being trusted with billions in government contracts and essentially being allowed to man The levers of the financial markets all while rage tweeting Fringe conspiracy theories and cozying up to extremists of course this is Elon I never bought into the hype around Elon musk he always struck me as a weirdo who was more full of [ __ ] than porta potties at the end of the New York City marathon that’s pretty full of [ __ ] Elon Musk became one of the richest people in the world by convincing enough people with power that he’s a genius but there’s no there there he’s not a genius he’s not a scientist he’s not an engineer he’s not an innovator he’s a bullshitter there are so many instances of Elon exaggerating or Flatout spinning tall tales about his own prowess but that was hard to not turn this video into a sprawling limited series Allah Shogun but we love a good scam so let’s learn about the self-perpetuating scam that is Elon strap in Alyssa I’m ready Elon reev Musk was born on June 28th 1971 to a wealthy family of [ __ ] weirdos in South Africa his mother was a Canadian dietitian and model who has appeared on serial boxes in the cover of Sports Illustrated he has a brother Kimble who was once set up with one of Jeffrey Epstein’s ex-girlfriends by Jeffrey EP himself he’s got a sister and a handful of half siblings elon’s father Errol a millionaire engineer who claims he’s killed a few people was half owner of a Zambian emerald mine in the 1980s he says and eventually fathered two children with his own stepdaughter Jana thus making him his own stepf father-in-law I think um I’m sorry what yes that’s right an emerald mine Elon hates this story because he really wants people to believe that he’s a self-made guy and not some Lego headed Lord who grew up in one of the biggest houses in Petoria no no no no no Erin I meant the thing about his stepdaughter oh yeah right I assumed you meant mine yeah in 1979 elon’s dad divorced elon’s mom may and later married a woman who had two children of her own arrol helped raise them had two kids with her and then had two kids with one of the stepchildren when she was of age and he was old as [ __ ] arol once told an interviewer quote the only thing we are on this Earth for is to reproduce I can see where Elon gets his creepy reproduction fetish oh we will get to that although to his credit according to Elon biographer Walter Isaacson Elon noticed and disapproved of the suspicious amount of attention his father was paying Jana again his own stepdaughter when she was 15 years old and Errol was 56 Errol insists that he was equally interested in all of his children and stepchildren this video has already accomplished The Impossible Aaron making me feel a little bit bad for Elon Musk Elon was reportedly immedia Jer student in high school but somehow got high enough grades to get into college in Canada where his mom lived at the time and while he was there he somehow did well enough to transfer to an ivy league university in the United States as musk tells it he received degrees in physics and economics from upen in 1995 and then moved to California because he got into Stanford’s PhD program but dropped out after two days to be a full-time business boy Genius when the legend of Elon reports that he was the mental heft behind PayPal Tesla and SpaceX people just kind of go along with it because the belief that Silicon Valley is teaming with prodigies and Visionaries and not just a bunch of [ __ ] screwing each other over like bankers and sweatpants is Central to justifying the tech sector’s very existence first let’s get to Elon and PayPal he did not co-found PayPal he started his first company with some help from Daddy sold that company to compact remember compact no don’t remember it at all took the money he made from selling it and started a business called x.com Sur you can’t mean the social media website formerly known as Twitter or an early version of Tesla’s model X car or the company SpaceX or a site devoted to documenting the lives of one of his multiple children to whom he gave X names boy he loves the letter X yeah it’s his favorite letter uh no this was an even earlier company called X can you guess from the name what it did sell erectile dysfunction medicines to impotent men in red States no good guess it was an online bank that somehow offered a product that was less good than PayPal which I have to admit is an achievement because PayPal sucks point is he named a bank after it because nothing conveys a sense of aboveboard safety and seriousness like a letter often used to denote the presence of a full bush in a film from the 1970s you know they call the inner circle of early PayPal the PayPal Mafia was Elon really anything like a Tony Soprano of online banking he was a Jackie Jr at most once PayPal and ex merged and x.com like a dutiful wife took PayPal’s name musk became CEO because he had the most money but he was so annoying that eventually PayPal founder in Silicon Valley super villain Peter teal found him too irritating to work with and so he quit well the board eventually took Teal’s side and ousted musk and replaced him with teal imagine being more off-putting than Peter teal I cannot imagine it musk remained the largest shareholder in PayPal however which ended up translating to a $165 million windfall when eBay bought the site in 2002 he used that money to start a company called SpaceX sounds like a souvenir boner pill sold in gas stations in Roswell New Mexico from what I can tell it started with a desire to send people to Mars Elon has always dreamed of sending people to Mars Elon and early space Ally Michael Griffin traveled to Russia together to try to convince some Russians to sell them some icbms so that musk could pretend to invent Rockets but the Russians weren’t interested because Elon was not an astronaut nor did he possess any particular expertise about space he was just a guy who liked space a lot undaunted musk used his Paypal money to hire a bunch of people who did know what they were doing spacewise and the company SpaceX blasted off Michael Griffin that name sounds familiar that’s because Griffin would go on to be a BFD at Nasa overseeing private partnership programs including something called the commercial orbital transport Services were cot’s program the program was designed to enlist private companies in transporting people in supplies to and from the International Space Station under Griffin only two private companies were selected for the program one of them was SpaceX and thus began a long and fruitful career of SpaceX feeding from the prolific te of Uncle Sam in 2006 SpaceX was awarded a 396 million doll contract from NASA meanwhile SpaceX didn’t even have a rocket that worked its Falcon 1 program was sucking ass unless you think a rocket that explodes can still be counted as a success its first three launches between 2006 in 2008 failed putting the company on the brink of bankruptcy at the same time as Tesla and musk himself in late 2008 but then SpaceX got it on the fourth try and as a prize for his company’s one successful launch Elon was given a 1.6 billion NASA contract that December and it all blew up from there both literally and figuratively Aaron I think that when a SpaceX rocket explodes it’s called a rapid unscheduled disassembly when conscious uncoupling goes to space and we shouldn’t downplay the fact that the company has seen some success and progress in space exploration is by definition messy but Elon is not making the Rockets he’s not an engineer he’s simply the guy who benefits the most financially from the work of people who are building the rockets and satellites while rage tweeting about how NPR shouldn’t get government money since 2020 at least five of spacex’s attempts to launch its Starship into space have ended with the experimental aircraft blowing up SpaceX is now worth more than $36 billion though having received 15.3 billion in government contracts all this time Elon won’t stop yammering about sending people to Mars but SpaceX has yet to demonstrate that they’re even capable of sending people to the Moon which is a lot closer easier NASA’s plan has been to go back to the Moon by the end of 2025 but but if SpaceX can’t do it we can’t do it side note about Michael Griffin in 2018 Griffin would go on to be appointed under secretary of defense for research and Engineering under President Donald Trump one of his responsibilities was to award government contracts to build low orbit national security satellites guess which company was one of two to win government contracts to build these starlink satellites I’m going say SpaceX correct and we also have starlings and by extension musk’s involvement in the Ukrainian defense against the Russian invasion launched in early 2022 initially SpaceX was awarded a government contract by the Department of Defense to provide satellite support for communications for Ukrainian civilians and Military entities in their own self-defense but multiple reports have indicated that musk himself has been monkeying around with the satellites interrupting Communications and thwarting attacks the Ukrainian military was attempting to carry out on Russian targets the dods basically had to throw their hands up and be like well they’re private company what can you do I don’t know stop giving them contracts let somebody else build the satellites SpaceX entire reason to exist is to guzzle government money think of the SpaceX part of his fortune like a GoFundMe designed to make the worst person you know even richer and you cannot opt out of it it’s time to talk about Tesla Tesla the preferred car of some of the biggest [ __ ] you know the company was founded in 2003 by Martin eard and Mark tarpening two actual engineers H Elon invested $6.5 million into early Tesla and became chairman of the company’s board and immediately started taking credit for things art and tarping came up with the ideas designed the actual cars got all the companies ducks in a row to revolutionize the electric car market and then as thanks in 2007 musk ran both of them out of the company and started calling himself the founder of Tesla kind of like an invasive species bird who pushes the eggs out of other birds nests to lay their own indeed and then says you invented eggs eggs they’re mine I did it in 2008 musk was forced to step down as chairman of the board of Tesla after falsely promising via tweet natch that he had funding secured to take Tesla private at $420 per share thus artificially inflating the Share value in a way a teenage boy might he was fined $20 million by the SEC over the stunt and he agreed to have a social media minder approve his tweets before sending them how’ that go Elon had a wild summer that July Elon had offered to help the cave Rescue of a trapped youth soccer team in Thailand with a submarine he invented let me remind you Elon Musk is not an engineer nor had his company’s made anything designed to operate underwater the actual guy who saved the kids Vernon unsworth insulted musk’s silly little idea saying in a TV interview that musk could stick his imaginary submarine up his ass musk responded by tweeting that unsworth who again had just saved a kid soccer team from cave death was a pedo guy ped guy musk got sued during the trial he claimed that ped guy was a common insult in the English-speaking World literally never heard that one before me neither musk ended up prevailing in that suit but not before wasting a bunch of his time and hours but back to Tesla the company has been in the news for its biggest layoffs ever 14,000 people or 10% of its Workforce were unceremoniously let go over email in mid April but Whispers the industry indicate that the layoff might actually be much bigger than 10% perhaps even closer to 20% the stock price is absolutely tanking Tesla’s total valuation was once a ridiculous $1.3 trillion today that value is down to less than half a billion dollars and dropping that’s a stupid amount of money isn’t General Motors only worth like 50 billion yeah if Tesla is an autom manufacturer it’s value has a long way to fall before it’s in line with other auto manufacturers but it also doesn’t make sense the stock price has stayed so high amid all of the company’s controversies multiple lawsuits over much of the company’s history have accused the company of lying about how much money it’s making in order to inflate its stock price Tesla has received hundreds of millions of dollars from the government for a battery swap technology that was never made available to the public and turned out to be a giant scam it’s no secret Tesla shitty to its workers fighting unionization efforts here and overseas he’s even threatened his own employees on Twitter uh when he should being CEO like how do you find the time my dude there have been tens of thousands of reports of Teslas being shitty from things as minor as poor quality builds to serious issues like sudden uncontrollable acceleration don’t want that in a car faulty braking that’s not good either range issues that the company itself has suppressed an operating system that can be hacked and controlled by outside entities batteries that spontaneously light on fire the suspension suddenly collapsing leading to something called wampy Wheels which sounds s like a carnival ride to one tragic story of a Tesla reversing into a retaining pond with its driver trapped inside and First Responders unable to break in as the woman drowned that woman by the way was Mitch McConnell’s sister-in-law and it just happened this year Jesus Christ just you don’t want a car to do that no it sounds like they’re put together like carnival rides now I’ve been saying that Elon isn’t the one who’s actually making the cars because he’s not a real engineer and that’s true but Tesla more than most companies lives and dies by public perception of Elon the company is trapped by the innovator cosplay Elon insists on dressing himself in which is why elon’s Public Image impacts the price of the company’s stock so much exactly the stock market is mostly fueled by wishes and hopes and dreams and if people don’t believe in Elon they don’t believe in Tesla if Elon is a scam then Tesla is a scam and Elon is real scammy scammy as all this stuff is happening a series of embarrassing public disasters continue to make test look more and more like clown cars back in December 2023 Tesla issued a recall for an eye watering 2 million 31,2 120 Vehicles after a national highway traffic safety administration investigation found that the auto steer function wasn’t safe the Cyber truck long cheerleaded by musk is an ugly clunky embarrassment that has publicly face planted yeah sure yeah oh well maybe that was a little too hard should we try sry what yeah it didn’t go through was a plus side let’s try the try that one really okay so oh man it didn’t go through yeah yeah all right B things only went downhill for the Cyber truck from there and it’s a good thing too because if it’s muddy downhill is the only Direction a cyber truck can go without getting stuck [ __ ] the Cyber truck like many Tesla offerings has experienced delivery delays systemic failures safety issues quality issues and also can’t haul [ __ ] its battery doesn’t last as long as Tesla sales material promised it would especially in cold weather some observers have pointed out that it seems like Tesla is making consumers pay for and beta test a product that isn’t actually ready for Market the Cyber truck is what you might call a gender affirming car for men who want to prove to the world that they have $100,000 to throw away on the world’s shittiest vehicle Tesla recently announced that they halting production of the electric Ford Pinto of our times good night sweet prince and even at its newest and shinest it still looks like the armadillos that Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck drove on the asteroid in Armageddon a movie from 1998 just saying meanwhile other automakers are getting into the EV game and some of them are bringing cars to Market that are more attractive affordable and have less PR nightmare CEOs than Tesla does all of this has meant that Tesla’s market share has diminished and its share price has tanked as its sales and production Outlook has dimmed musk is betting that his company will be able to get out ahead of the autonomous taxi Market something that nobody outside of like 500 people in Pao Alto [ __ ] want plus uh fully self-driving car technology doesn’t exist right it doesn’t yeah the technology used to be called fully self-driving or FSD but they got in trouble with Regulators because the technology does not actually work now the tech is being referred to as FSD with supervision still musk is all in on the tech claiming that Tesla owners for the low low price of $99 per month will one day be able to install the software on their cars which can then work as autonomous taxis when the owners aren’t using them your car can be your robot sleve
Spiny Norman said:
FWIW …
Elon Musk: Everything You Didn’t Know About His Sh*tty Past.
I am not kidding that’s part of his business plan Alyssa okay so if you have FSD on your Tesla you still have to pay a subscription to use it [ __ ] that I know the thing about fully autonomous vehicles is that they’re another musky and fairy tale Elon has been promising that the fully self-driving technology is right around the corner for so long except if you try to get around that proverbial Corner in a Tesla the car never makes the turn the steering Mel functions next thing you know it you’ve run head into the broadside of a pizzeria so it also seems like a terribly stupid idea to reorganize City infrastructure around a massive Fleet of Robo taxis when the roads are already congested and by the way public transportation already exists couldn’t we just use all that money that Elon wants to pocket and improve what we already have one would think actually Elon has had it out for public transportation for a long time do you remember the hyperloop a stupider more expensive version of trains the hyperloop is such a moronic idea that it almost pains me to say it out loud back when Elon was King [ __ ] of [ __ ] Mountain aka before he developed whatever condition it is that makes it impossible for him to not run his big fat mouth all the time Elon quote invented unquote a mass transit system that moves large numbers of passengers through low pressure tubes you mean like the plastic shoots at the drive-through Bank sort of I like that I like that vintage reference except bigger more expensive with magnets and of course requiring massive amounts of money to be funneled to one of Elon musk’s companies and once again so many people fell for it the boring company started as a subsidiary of SpaceX with the stated aim of digging holes for this stupid idea all over the place MIT was investigating getting involved there was talk of building when connecting LA and San Francisco basically under the five if you know California even though we could have just used that money to build a high-speed rail highspeed Rail between LA and San Francisco which is something that people in both cities have wanted for decades I don’t understand Elon never really wanted to build Ultra fast largescale mass transportation he simply wanted to derail discussions of actual High-Speed Rail that actually worked because he owns a car company that depends on people not having comfortable affordable mass transit options available so this whole plan was just to stop public transportation from getting better so he could sell more cars like the bad guy from Who Framed Roger Rabbit exactly like that bad guy now a little over a decade after hyperloop Mania took Silicon Valley by storm all we have to show for it is a puny little tunnel that connects part of the Las Vegas Convention Center and some plans in other cities that will likely soon quietly disappear from the internet do you dread the annual physical with the guilt tripping lectures like I do more greens choose organic eat five cups of fruits and vegetables a day I admit I could eat better but I don’t have time that’s why I started taking Field of Greens by Brick House Nutrition Field of Greens is whole organic fruits and vegetables real food not extracts each fruit and vegetable in Field of Greens was medically chosen for a specific health benefit some support vital organs like heart liver and kidneys While others give your metabolism and immune system a boost I’m so busy and I don’t always eat like I should the PowerHouse blend in Field of Greens fills the Gap so I stay energetic focused and healthy and if you don’t feel the incredible difference like I did you can return it for a full refund let me get you started with 15% off and free shipping visit fieldof greens.com and use promo code TFG that’s promo code TFG at field of greens.com now that he’s done his part to fill the highways and atmosphere with vehicles that sometimes explode and dig Subterranean tunnels to Nowhere musk has moved on to technology meant to be installed directly into the human body if I wouldn’t get into one of his driverless taxis why on Earth would I let one of his companies install a chip into my brain the trillion dooll question in 2016 along with a handful of actual scientists musk co-founded neuralink after buying the trademark from the two neuros scientists who had actually founded neuralink the year prior the company’s aim is to produce technology that can be implanted into the human brain neuralink has been under Fire for killing an awful lot of the primates it’s been testing on but nevertheless its chip was approved for human trials in 2023 earlier this year musk claimed that a successful human trial had been conducted I have yet to see a single piece of reported media that confirms this claim by somebody who isn’t musk himself or someone musk is paying but Elon girl bossed a little too hard when he bought Twitter it really has been something to watch the whole world get wise to his [ __ ] at the same time enough ink has been spilled about musk’s disastrous takeover of Twitter once a flawed but functional Town Square now the social media equivalent of a abandoned Blockbuster video that has been taken over by flee infested raccoons so let’s not get bogged down by the details what’s most important is that thanks to his pathological desire to force people to like him elan’s ineptitude has been on full display calling into question his genius and business accumul in the rest of his portfolio the acquisition of Twitter was characterized by drama and erratic Behavior by musk in 2022 he first tried a hostile takeover of the company before winning the board’s approval but then when he realized that $44 billion he’d offered to pay was way too much for a company that wasn’t great at making money he tried to back out the board threatened to sue but musk relented and the shotgun wedding between Elon and Twitter happened in October 2022 Elon financed the deal with some creative leveraging that ended up resulting in him having to sell a bunch of Tesla stock driving the share price down and thus his overall wealth down Elon it turns out is not good at running Twitter he fired or chased away 80% of the staff likely violating several labor laws and doing so he reinstated several accounts that had been banned for hate speech relaxed rules around anti-trans speech and covid-19 misinformation gave a handful of doofus reporter has access to internal Twitter files plopped his cottage cheese ass into a dust chair and tweeted tweeted as hard as he possibly could and who can forget the blue check mark Fiasco blue verification check marks were long viewed as a class signifier in Old Twitter which made a lot of people wearing wraparound sunglasses in their user picture angry so Elon got rid of the blue checks the problem is that the checks also verified that people on the site were who they said they were and that so-called official accounts were not Impostors and so in the first days of the program’s elimination somebody pretending to be the official account of drug maker Eli Lily declared that in was now free among other impostor Shenanigans it was actually quite funny that was it was really it was one of the best days in Twitter history it was great bleeding money Elon tried to get Twitter users to pay $8 for the check marks and people were like [ __ ] that you clown so the only people who had blue checks were suspiciously Elon Fanboys and conservative super tweeters who would hassle anybody who complained about the new verification system by accusing them of being too poor or stingy to Fork over 8 to one of the world’s richest men I am shocked shocked that trying to use bullying as a chief sales technique for Twitter’s verification program was ineffective in April of this year Twitter quietly restored blue check marks to several journalists and public figures without charging them $8 when several prominent Twitter users started swapping tips on how to hide the dreaded blue check of Shame next to their names Twitter removed their ability to hide the check researchers found that under musk hate speech increased dramatically on the platform anti-semitic speech increased as did propaganda originating from the Islamic State great job Elon some of the hate speech by the way was Amplified by musk himself like the time he publicly agreed with a tweet alleging that Jewish people hate white people musk responded by revoking access to Twitter’s API so now nobody has any idea just how bad things have gotten quantitatively however Alysa there is a workaround you can still tell how bad twitter is gotten by simply looking at it yes and it turns out platforming unbridled free speech with virtually no moderation has meant that since Elon fired or chased out most of Twitter’s Legacy employees the site has also become a Haven for misinformation and child pornography in early April the Brazilian Supreme Court announced that they were investigating him for quote flagrant obstruction of Brazilian Justice unquote the chickens have to come home to roost eventually right yeah and I would watch a show called Brazilian Justice it sounds like a lot of fun Twitter put on display how desperate Elon was to have people like him despite his fundamental unlik ability in February 2023 Elon got upset that not enough people were engaging with his tweets and had some of his internal Engineers investigate what was wrong this story makes me so embarrassed so sad for him one of his Engineers suggested that perhaps public interest in musk himself was waning and so musk fired him a few days later when President Joe Biden’s tweets about the Super Bowl got more engagement than elon’s Elon demanded the engineers fix it or be fired so they changed the Twitter algorithm so that Reg regular users would be spammed with elon’s tweets magnifying the automatic reach of elon’s tweets a thousand times that is the saddest [ __ ] I have ever heard in 2023 via Twitter he accused a young Jewish man named Ben Brody of participating in a Neo-Nazi brawl as an antifa member of a false flag operation Brody wasn’t even in the state where the brawl occurred his family claims that musk’s amplification of the French conspiracy theory based on nothing had led to massive amounts of harassment and threats and sued musk for a million dollars musk was deposed in March and it went poorly in the deposition which musk’s lawyers unsuccessfully fought to seal musk at one point does not seem to understand what a lawyer does Aaron what about the people who stayed on Twitter even after Elon turned it into a haunted shopping mall well Elon has tried to turn Twitter into a landing pad for media personalities who had been cancelled or in normal English faced conse quences as a result of [ __ ] up he snatched up Tucker Carlson after Tucker’s ouster from Fox News with promises that Tucker could create Twitter exclusive content but the site didn’t have the technology to support the sort of thing Tucker wanted to make sounds familiar and former CNN anchor Don Lemon was also invited to elon’s Tiki Torch rally only to have his contract canceled days before lemon’s show was supposed to debut after an interview lemon conducted with musk went off the rails musk keeps claiming he loves Free Speech but he doesn’t like it when people talk [ __ ] about him under musk’s flop sweat soaked Innovation the value of Twitter now x.com the Old Chestnut has fallen an estimated 65% elon’s Twitter foibles have exposed him as an emotionally unstable deeply weird clueless phony who believes that acting like an [ __ ] is the same thing as coming up with an idea he’s a business bridezilla with an unlimited budget and his employees are just the haest wedding coordinators trying to figure out how to bend reality to bring his ridiculous plans to fruition and when he’s confronted on his [ __ ] he throws a fit who can forget this Infamous public appearance if somebody’s going to try to Blackmail me with advertising blackmail with money go [ __ ] yourself go [ __ ] yourself is that clear it’s funny he didn’t use to seem as unhinged as he does now I know I kind of wonder what it is but there is a working Theory out there andil that theory is it’s the drugs according to a Wall Street Journal report from January Elon has been known to dabble in such substances as cocaine mushrooms LSD ecstasy and ketamine but last I checked most people who go into a khole don’t come out the other side of megalomaniac baby and to prove he’s cool and tough he smoked weed on The Joe Rogan podcast speaking of babies doesn’t he have like a million kids yes Elon Musk has 11 children by three different women he had six children with his first wife Justine Wilson including one set of twins and one set of triplets which were conceived via IV F he has three children with the singer Grimes who you may most recently remember for turning in one of the worst performances in Coachella history Elon also has twins with an executive from his monkey murdering Enterprise neuralink a fact that came to light through a piece in Time Magazine by Walter isakson news of the twins with the Canadian neuralink executive broke just days before news that he’d had his third baby with Grimes broke boy that was awkward I I’ve got questions about what’s been going on and I don’t know for sure that I want the answers in response Elon made a weird joke about doing his part to repopulate the world but he’s long been weirdly obsessed with the birth rate because he said that he’s worried there won’t be enough people to move to his Mars colony musk has reportedly given $10 million to a population research project in Texas that aims to look into ways to increase the birth rate so Elon wants there to be more people so that he can send them to Mars fine fine go problem that musk’s advice that everybody should father as many children as possible is that like his father who came before him mus kind of sucks at being a dad he is currently being sued over parental rights by his ex Grimes and one of his two oldest children who came out as trans at age 16 openly hates her dad’s guts for very understandable reasons he once claimed that the word cisgender was a slur and urged all of his followers on Twitter to watch The Daily wire documentary what is a woman hosted by human skidmark Matt Walsh but maybe the shittiest thing Elon did in the fatherhood Arena was Chang some key details about a tragedy to make himself sound like a hero elon’s oldest son named Nevada died tragically from sudden infant death syndrome when he was only 10 weeks old many years later in 2022 via tweet of course Elon later claimed that the baby had quote died in his arms and that he quote felt his last heartbeat Nevada’s mother his ex-wife Justine disagreed tweeting not that it matters to anyone except me because it is one of the most sacred and defining moments of my life but I was the one who was holding him that he would claim that is just tragically deranged it is absolutely deranged it’s like some of the sickest [ __ ] ever and well a year prior Justine had written a Glamour magazine piece called I was a starter wife inside America’s messiest divorce that like many firsthand accounts of Elon Musk make him sound like a total [ __ ] dick in that article she wrote Elon had called her open grief over Nevada’s death emotionally manipulative emotionally manipulative your child dies her baby died no wonder that marriage like the hyperloop fully self-driving technology the Cyber truck in his version of Twitter failed woo well that’s as good a note to end on as any what’s extra crazy to me is that we can laugh at his awkward dancing and make fun of how unfunny he is thanks to the fact that government gives his companies so much money and Tesla stock is such a huge part of the S&P we all kind of own a stake in his clownery nobody should have as much money as Elon Musk has and nobody should have their fingers knuckle deep in that many Industries so important to things like communication transportation and National Security Alissa I haven’t even gotten to the cherry on top in April the same week that Tesla announced record layoffs Elon once again asked the company board to approve a $56 billion pay package for himself that had been rejected by a judge in Delaware over the fact that its exorbitant size represented negligence of his fiduciary duties as CEO sounds reasonable yeah can you imagine can you imagine asking for $ 56 billion after sending so many people out into the street evilest [ __ ] absolutely not evil [ __ ] the only way that Elon Musk is a true innovator is in his astonishing ability to oversell and underd deliver his career is a series of fanciful unke keepable promises which a gullible media takes at his word but maybe just maybe the jig’s finally up wow Elon I feel like we barely scratched the surface so on a scale of one to five weasels where’s Elon oh he’s got to be a hard five weasel for so many reasons one he’s getting rich off our tax money he’s getting rich off our tax money not doing [ __ ] with it being mean to his kids and not even getting to the Moon yeah give me my money back any he ruined Twitter yes I’m going to agree with you okay F oh we’re in sync this week I say a hard five weasels for Elon Musk just because he has so much power and he amassed it in a way that I feel like everyone is like oh whoa this guy’s in charge of a lot of stuff I don’t know if there’s a world in which he is is no longer just like the crazy person driving the economy and that is deeply deeply upsetting Aaron that was a fun one thanks so much for tuning into this edition of this [ __ ] guy if you enjoyed this please like share and subscribe and if you’ve got ideas for who should be the next subject of this [ __ ] guy leave it in the comments below [Music ] [Music ] [Music ]
Jokes
dv said:
Jokes
But this one is real
Within a year of purchase of a pre-ordered first model, you cannot sell your Cybertruck without permission from Telsa. I am assuming this is to establish an artificial scarcity?
I suppose his best option would be to warehouse it somewhere for a year: not cheap but might be cheaper than legal action.
dv said:
I suppose his best option would be to warehouse it somewhere for a year: not cheap but might be cheaper than legal action.
Makes sure the insurance is paid up, and push it off a cliff.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I suppose his best option would be to warehouse it somewhere for a year: not cheap but might be cheaper than legal action.
Makes sure the insurance is paid up, and push it off a cliff.
can’t even lend ¿ it to someone else
Man does not miss
dv said:
Man does not miss
Turn That Gun Around
dv said:
Man does not miss
And meanwhile Dogecoin is 17c, but Bitcoin is up near its peak at over $100,000.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Man does not miss
And meanwhile Dogecoin is 17c, but Bitcoin is up near its peak at over $100,000.
doge is dead, man.
Elon Musk Dominates Space Launch. Rivals Are Calling Foul.
At a time when the U.S. government is concerned about its reliance on a mercurial billionaire for access to space, new competitors say Elon Musk’s SpaceX is using tactics intended to squash them.
By Eric Lipton
Eric Lipton, who has written extensively about the intersection of technology, the military and space, reported from Washington; Cape Canaveral, Fla.; and Brownsville, Texas.
May 28, 2024
Elon Musk aggressively elbowed his way into the space launch business over the past two decades, combining engineering genius and an entrepreneurial drive with a demand that the U.S. government stop favoring the big, slow-moving contractors that had long dominated the industry.
Today, it is Mr. Musk who is dominant. His company, SpaceX, is the primary provider of launch services to NASA and to the Pentagon. His rockets carry far more commercial satellites into orbit than anyone else’s, including those for his own Starlink communications network. He has set new standards for reaching space cheaply and reliably.
But in one striking way, the former outsider has come to resemble the entrenched contractors he once fought to topple: He is increasingly using his vast power and influence to try to keep emerging rivals at bay, his competitors say, even as his success is prompting qualms within the government about such heavy reliance on a mercurial billionaire.
The new generation of space entrepreneurs trying to emulate Mr. Musk is sufficiently concerned about what they see as his anticompetitive tactics that some of them are now willing to take him on publicly.
Tim Ellis started Relativity Space after being inspired by Mr. Musk’s pursuit of a rocket that could carry humans to Mars. Then he heard from other industry executives that individuals with ties to SpaceX were trying to block his efforts to raise money for his own Mars project.
Jim Cantrell worked with Mr. Musk at the founding of SpaceX in 2002. When he started to build his own launch company, Phantom Space, two potential customers told his sales team they could not sign deals because SpaceX inserts provisions in its contracts to discourage customers from using rivals.
Peter Beck, an aerospace engineer from New Zealand, met in 2019 with Mr. Musk to talk about Mr. Beck’s own launch company, called Rocket Lab. Several months later, SpaceX moved to start carrying small payloads at a discounted price that Mr. Beck and other industry executives said was intended to undercut their chances of success.
“I don’t think this is an accidental monopoly,” Mr. Beck said in an interview about SpaceX and Mr. Musk. “These are business decisions that are being made.”
None of these executives said they had taken legal action against SpaceX. And no one in the industry disputes that Mr. Musk and SpaceX deserve enormous credit for making spaceflight more affordable and almost routine.
But his tactics are generating a backlash within the industry. And they are adding to concerns in the government about relying so heavily for a critical technology on someone known as much for his divisive public statements, his increasingly outspoken political positions that are at odds with U.S. policy and his deep business ties to rivals like China as he is for his engineering prowess.
Mr. Musk endorsed an antisemitic theory late last year on his social media platform X. He has nurtured relationships with right-wing leaders around the world. And he has publicly stated that Russia will not lose its war against Ukraine, endorsing an argument that the United States should not have provided Kyiv with additional military assistance.
“Elon Musk’s rhetoric and behavior undermines his credibility and reliability on a global scale,” said Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat of New Hampshire, who this spring questioned Pentagon officials about Mr. Musk. “Commercial services, including SpaceX, that do business with the U.S. government need to be thoroughly vetted to ensure that the U.S. military can depend on them in times of crisis.”
Elon Musk’s competitive tactics are generating a backlash within the space industry, and his divisive public statements and outspoken political positions have raised concerns within the government.Credit…David Swanson/Reuters
Last month, a bipartisan group of 36 House lawmakers sent a letter to Frank Kendall, the Air Force secretary, urging him to make sure that the Air Force pushes for “increased competition among launch providers.”
Representative Dale Strong, Republican of Alabama, whose office helped draft the letter, said he was concerned that a dominant Pentagon launch provider might squeeze out upstart rivals. “These smaller companies, they’re just trying to cut their teeth,” he said.
SpaceX did not respond to requests for comment. But when interviewed at a recent industry conference, one of SpaceX’s senior executives disputed any suggestion that the company was trying to force other new launch companies out of business.
“I don’t buy that, not at all,” Gary Henry, who works on national security contracts for SpaceX after earlier posts with Boeing and the Air Force, said in the interview. “I can see if you are on that end of it, it might feel that way. But people in those companies who know us personally know that is not the case.”
In a presentation to SpaceX employees in Texas this year, Mr. Musk did not directly address claims of anticompetitive behavior from rivals in the launch industry. But he noted that SpaceX had carried cargo to orbit, or agreed to do so in the future, for competitors in related businesses including Amazon, Telestat, OneWeb and Apple-backed Globalstar, all of which are rivals of SpaceX’s Starlink communications network.
“We’re actually on contract to launch Amazon’s Kuiper constellation,” Mr. Musk said, evoking a round of laughter from the gathered SpaceX employees. “And we treat everyone fairly.”
SpaceX’s defenders also point out that the launch business appears to be growing more competitive, not less.
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin is close to its first launch for its New Glenn rocket. Rocket Lab is building what it calls Neutron, and Relativity Space is working on its Terran R, among other new entrants. After years of delays, Boeing is soon expected to start launching NASA astronauts into space on its new Starliner spacecraft.
For now, though, the ability of the United States to reach orbit, particularly for its most vital classified military and spy satellites, remains largely dependent on Mr. Musk and his Falcon 9 rocket.
“Heaven forbid we have a mishap with a Falcon 9 launch,” said Col. Richard Kniseley, who helps run Space Force’s Commercial Space Office. “That means it is grounded, right? And that means we could be without launch. So that’s where my concern is.”
SpaceX has collectively been awarded $14.7 billion in federal launch prime contracts over the last decade, according to an analysis performed by The New York Times by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Last year alone, SpaceX secured $3.1 billion in federal prime contracts, according to the data, nearly as much as the combined amount the federal government committed for space transportation and related services from its nine competitors, from giants like Boeing and Northrop Grumman to startups like Blue Origin.
SpaceX is privately held, so it does not release revenue figures, but Payload, an industry research site, estimated that nearly 60 percent of SpaceX’s launch-related revenue last year came from the federal government.
This means that despite Mr. Musk’s early disdain for government subsidies granted to his rivals, including Lockheed and Boeing, SpaceX’s own rise has been bankrolled in large part by NASA and the Pentagon.
At the same time, SpaceX has increasingly adopted business tactics that Mr. Musk once condemned, including expanding its lobbying presence in Washington and hiring top Pentagon and NASA executives after they played key roles in awarding contracts to SpaceX.
SpaceX now employs William H. Gerstenmaier, who supervised the NASA commercial cargo program that hired SpaceX.
SpaceX also hired Terrence J. O’Shaughnessy, a former Air Force general who first moved to retain SpaceX to provide its Starlink satellite service to the military, and Kathy Lueders, who was the lead NASA contract official who picked SpaceX for a $2.9 billion contract for the spacecraft that will take NASA astronauts from lunar orbit to the surface of the moon for the first time in 50 years. (SpaceX did not respond when asked about these hires. No one has accused the former officials of favoritism.)
SpaceX has boosted its spending on lobbyists by 30 percent since 2020, reaching $2.9 million last year, federal records show. (That is still far less than the spending on lobbyists by giant military contractors like Lockheed and Boeing, or Amazon.)
Lori Garver, a former NASA official who pushed for NASA to hire private companies to take astronauts to and from the space station and has repeatedly praised SpaceX’s performance, said she too has been surprised by the company’s aggressiveness.
“I underestimated how it would play out over the long term and the dominant position they would get to,” she said. “And the lengths to which they would go, once in the dominant position, to fight to keep that dominance.”
Outsider No More
It was a foggy morning in February at the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida, as bursts of supercooled oxygen sprayed from the upper sections of the Falcon 9 rocket — a sure sign that yet another SpaceX rocket was about to blast off.
At the moment the launch window opened, the Falcon 9 lifted off, carrying 23 Starlink satellites to low Earth orbit — about 230 miles up in space. It marked the start of a burst of activity that demonstrates just how dominant SpaceX has become.
Three days later, at an adjacent Kennedy Space Center launchpad, another SpaceX Falcon 9 lifted off, this one carrying four astronauts on a NASA-funded flight to the International Space Station.
Two more Falcon 9 launches followed, later that day and the next. One, launched from California, was stuffed with 53 spacecraft from companies that had shared a ride on SpaceX’s Transporter service, which allows companies to book a slot for their cargo online.
In South Texas, SpaceX then had its third test flight of Starship. It is the largest rocket ever created — big enough to carry three times as much cargo as NASA’s Space Shuttle was capable of lifting into orbit and at a price so low, it could completely upend the commercial launch market again.
Finally, by late March, SpaceX had launched its 30th cargo delivery toward the space station.
SpaceX’s 96 successful orbital launches during 2023 contrast with seven launches to orbit from the U.S. in total last year by all of SpaceX’s competitors, and were more than all launches from Russia and China combined. The majority of SpaceX launches last year were to put its own Starlink satellites into orbit, but even without Starlink, it has a dominant role.
The United Launch Alliance, a joint venture set up by Lockheed and Boeing, sent only three rockets to orbit last year.
Those figures are a striking shift from a decade ago, when SpaceX sued the Air Force asserting that it had illegally directed launch business to the Lockheed-Boeing joint venture, known as ULA.
“Boeing and Lockheed joined forces to convince the Air Force that the culprit was competition itself, and formed ULA to monopolize,” the company wrote in its 2014 bid protest. The lawsuit demanded that the Air Force award some of its military launches to SpaceX, which at that point still had not been certified by the Pentagon as reliable enough to carry high-value national security cargo.
Mr. Musk also slammed what he said was unnecessary federal funding that was going to these companies, suggesting that such subsidies were wasteful.
Now SpaceX is enjoying a steady flow of government money as its record of reliability and low costs fosters more federal contracts.
Even when major contractors like Boeing have attempted to compete with SpaceX, it has taken them longer to get their spacecraft built, and what they produce comes in at a much higher price. One example is the Starliner that Boeing is building under a $4.3 billion contract for NASA to deliver crews to the International Space Station.
Once Starliner is operational, it will cost NASA an estimated $90 million for each astronaut launched to orbit through 2030, compared to $55 million a seat on SpaceX, according to the agency’s inspector general.
Mr. Musk’s fierce competitive tactics were on display in 2014, when he pushed the federal government in a lawsuit to enforce a plan to prohibit the Lockheed and Boeing joint venture from continuing to rely on a Russian-made engine for the Atlas V rocket it used to send military and spy satellites into orbit.
Congress and the Obama administration were already pushing the companies to find an American-made replacement. But banning the use of the Russian engine before a reliable alternative could be put in place would have left United Launch Alliance unable to meet the Pentagon’s launch needs — in turn creating an opening for SpaceX.
“We design and manufacture the rockets in California and Texas with key suppliers throughout the country,” Mr. Musk told a Senate committee in 2014.
Air Force officials worried even then that a ban on use of the Russian engines might mean replacing one monopoly with another.
“We have been concerned for some time that with the course that we are on, we may end up with one launch service provider,” Mr. Kendall, now the Air Force secretary, told the Senate in 2016, when he was serving as the service’s top acquisitions officer.
That prediction has to some extent come true.
Forced to phase out its use of the Russian engines, ULA ultimately declined to bid on at least four additional federal government launch contracts beyond those it already had on its books. The four new launches, cumulatively worth about $850 million, went to SpaceX, NASA and Pentagon records show.
Mr. Henry, the SpaceX executive, said the United Launch Alliance had no one to blame but itself.
“So they had a good thing going and got complacent,” he said. “And then to their misfortune, Elon and SpaceX showed up.”
Squeezing Upstarts
Mr. Beck, the chief executive of Rocket Lab, started the company in 2006, just four years after SpaceX was created and before SpaceX had sent its first rocket to orbit.
Since then, Rocket Lab’s Electron launch vehicle has had more than 40 successful trips to orbit, delivering almost 200 satellites to space at one of the lowest costs in the industry.
Now the second most frequent orbital commercial launch company globally behind SpaceX, Rocket Lab is moving to build Neutron, a larger rocket that will compete directly with SpaceX’s Falcon 9.
Rocket Lab workers building a Capstone lunar orbiter. Founded in 2006, just four years after SpaceX, Rocket Lab is now the third most successful commercial launch company behind SpaceX and a joint venture of Lockheed and Boeing. Credit…via Rocket Lab
Mr. Beck said he had observed early on that SpaceX was willing to go after its business rivals.
He and other industry executives said they were convinced that SpaceX had set the price for its Transporter service — where small satellite companies can book slots on a Falcon 9 launch — with the explicit goal of undermining the financial plans of emerging competitors.
Transporter’s low price — initially $5,000 per kilogram — was below what some industry executives calculated was SpaceX’s basic cost. They concluded that SpaceX could only offer such a low price by subsiding those flights with some of its government contracting revenue.
More recently, SpaceX started what it called Bandwagon, which offers satellite makers launches to orbits that provide them better coverage over key sections of the world. SpaceX is selling these flights at far below its own costs to undermine its competition, Mr. Beck said, citing his own estimates.
“Bandwagon is like, the most bold and obtuse anti-competitive thing you can do,” said Mr. Beck, whose company charges about $21,500 per kilogram for its launches to specific orbits.
Mr. Henry, the SpaceX executive, disputed that SpaceX might be using its market dominance to hurt its competitors.
“We make money on all our launches,” he said.
Flights that carry multiple private and government payloads on a single Falcon 9 launch, he said, are benefiting the commercial space industry by making it more affordable for small firms to get satellites into orbit.
Mr. Ellis of Relativity Space said SpaceX had made explicit and repeated efforts to limit the growth of his business.
“Every single funding round that was done once we started to become a larger company, and every single customer deal we have signed, has been followed with a swift and large number of outreach calls from SpaceX to all of those entities berating them for doing things with us,” he said. “This is not theoretical.”
Mr. Cantrell, whose company Phantom Space has received funding from NASA to help build its new launch vehicle, said his sales team had been told by Sidus Space and a second company that SpaceX had demanded contract provisions intended to limit their ability to hire other launch providers.
Carol Craig, the chief executive of Sidus Space, confirmed in an interview that SpaceX had a “right of first refusal” provision in a deal she had signed for five launches, allowing SpaceX to counter any offers from its competitors.
“Are they saying you absolutely have to? No,” she said, adding that her company has a nondisclosure agreement with SpaceX that prohibits her from discussing the exact terms of her deal. “It doesn’t feel like they’re trying to monopolize.”
But Mr. Cantrell said he was convinced that SpaceX was trying to block out emerging competitors.
“It’s anti-competitive and anti-American and I don’t like it,” Mr. Cantrell said.
Even with these impediments, Mr. Cantrell said he had been able to build a manifest with approximately $80 million worth of contracts for future launches. But he has been delayed in getting his new rocket built and operating because of trouble raising the necessary capital.
Fickle Billionaires
The concerns about SpaceX’s dominant position only escalated when Mr. Musk denied a request from Ukraine in 2022 to turn on his Starlink coverage over Crimea so that Ukraine could use it to target Russian military assets, as was first reported by Walter Isaacson last year in his biography of Mr. Musk.
Mr. Kendall, the Air Force secretary, said the Pentagon subsequently reviewed its contracts with SpaceX to address “whether I was comfortable depending upon billionaires and their potential fickleness for military services.”
The Pentagon announced soon afterward that it had reached a new deal with SpaceX for a satellite-communications system it calls Starshield that is much like the existing Starlink network, but “will be owned by the U.S. government and controlled” by the Space Force, Mr. Musk confirmed. Reuters later reported that the National Reconnaissance Office, an intelligence agency, also has a classified $1.8 billion contract to get access to Starshield.
Pentagon officials said that SpaceX has honored its commitments.
But the Defense Department has moved recently to try to expand its launch providers, both for small payload launches and its most expensive, classified, national security launches.
Pentagon officials said that SpaceX had argued that another national security launch provider was unnecessary, an assertion that Mr. Henry did not dispute.
“We did say we don’t think there’s a supply shortage,” he said. “But we are all good. Competition is good.”
SpaceX’s Starship, its newest rocket, which is now undergoing testing, is likely to have a far lower price for hauling cargo to orbit than any of its competitors, according to industry analysts. Its rates to carry a satellite into orbit could be as low as $200 a kilogram, compared to $65,000 per kilogram by NASA’s Shuttle before it retired, or the $6,000 now that SpaceX charges for its Transporter flights.
That means SpaceX’s Falcon 9 and Starship could dominate the space launch industry for the decade to come, some industry officials predict, with Mr. Musk already projecting that SpaceX could deliver 90 percent of the world’s cargo to space this year even before Starship is counted, up from about 80 percent in 2023.
“There’s not a lot of industries where a company is doing like 80 percent of everything,” Mr. Musk told his employees, expressing pride over how dominant SpaceX has become.
Mr. Beck, the founder and chief executive of Rocket Lab, said no matter what actions SpaceX takes, he believes the best way to respond is to keep launching, including the climate science satellite his company put into orbit last weekend for NASA.
“Whatever shady practices he wants to do along the way, then so be it — we don’t care,” Mr. Beck said. “Because at the end of the day, you have to compete. And if you can’t compete, then you can’t compete.”
But Mr. Henry of SpaceX said that the impact of its continued expansion is clear to those inside the company.
“My heart bleeds for these small launch companies, right?” he said. “Because they’re not all going to make it. Most of them are not.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/28/us/politics/elon-musk-space-launch-competition.html?
Elon Musk IRL has opposed and blocked Tesla from developing battery powered trains and buses, leaving that market to Chinese manufacturers such as BYD and Europeans such as Stadtler and Vivarail.
LOL. Why? What?
esselte said:
LOL. Why? What?
If it drives itself why does it need wipers?
esselte said:
LOL. Why? What?
When you get a ‘cybertruck’, do you actually own it, or are you somehow leasing it from Elon?
roughbarked said:
esselte said:
LOL. Why? What?
If it drives itself why does it need wipers?
Well, it seems that it doesn’t feel the need for wipers itself, but has wipers for the sake of those bothersome people who insist on getting into it, so it grudgingly operates them every now and then.
It’s Elon. It’s not about the customer, it’s all about the product.
esselte said:
LOL. Why? What?
Why is this thing so shitty?
Did he make it as a joke, or some weird kind of performance art?
There is no Elon indifference thread so I’ll just pop this here:
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Thermonuclear Blasts and New Species: Inside Elon Musk’s Plan to Colonize Mars
SpaceX employees are working on plans for a Martian city, including dome habitats, spacesuits and researching whether humans can procreate off Earth. Mr. Musk has volunteered his sperm.
By Kirsten Grind
Reporting from San Francisco
July 11, 2024
For more than two decades, Elon Musk has focused SpaceX, his rocket company, on his lifelong goal of reaching Mars.
Over the last year, he has also ramped up work on what will happen if he gets there.
Mr. Musk, 53, has directed SpaceX employees to drill into the design and details of a Martian city, according to five people with knowledge of the efforts and documents viewed by The New York Times. One team is drawing up plans for small dome habitats, including the materials that could be used to build them. Another is working on spacesuits to combat Mars’s hostile environment, while a medical team is researching whether humans can have children there. Mr. Musk has volunteered his sperm to help seed a colony, two people familiar with his comments said.
The initiatives, which are in their infancy, are a shift toward more concrete planning for life on Mars as Mr. Musk’s timeline has hastened. While he said in 2016 that it would take 40 to 100 years to have a self-sustaining civilization on the planet, Mr. Musk told SpaceX employees in April that he now expects one million people to be living there in about 20 years.
Elon Musk, the founder of SpaceX, told the International Astronautical Congress in a 2016 presentation that a rocket built by the company might carry 100 passengers at a time to Mars.
“There’s high urgency to making life multi-planetary,” he said, according to a publicly posted video of his remarks. “We’ve got to do it while civilization is so strong.”
Mr. Musk has long tried to defy the impossible and has often managed to beat tough odds. But his vision for life on Mars takes his seemingly limitless ambitions to their most extreme — and some might say absurdist — point. No one has ever set foot on the planet. NASA doesn’t expect to land humans on Mars until the 2040s. And if people get there, they will be greeted by a barren terrain, icy temperatures, dust storms, and air that is impossible to breathe.
Yet Mr. Musk is so wedded to the idea of creating a civilization on Mars — he once said he plans to die there — that it has propelled nearly every business endeavor he has undertaken on Earth. His vision for Mars underlies most of the six companies that he leads or owns, each of which could potentially contribute to an extraterrestrial colony, according to the documents and the people with knowledge of the efforts.
The Boring Company, a private tunneling venture founded by Mr. Musk, was started in part to ready equipment to burrow under Mars’s surface, two of the people said. Mr. Musk has told people that he bought X, the social media platform, partly to help test how a citizen-led government that rules by consensus might work on Mars. He has also said that he envisions residents on the planet will drive a version of the steel-paneled Cybertrucks made by Tesla, his electric vehicle company.
Mr. Musk’s vision for Mars underlies most of the six companies that he leads or owns, including the Boring Company.
Mr. Musk imagines residents on Mars could drive a version of the Cybertruck, made by his electric vehicle company, Tesla.
Mr. Musk, who is worth about $270 billion, has publicly declared that he only accumulates assets — which include a roughly $47 billion Tesla pay package — to fund his plans for Mars.
“It’s a way to get humanity to Mars, because establishing a self-sustaining city on Mars will require a lot of resources,” he testified in court in 2022 about his Tesla pay.
Whether Mr. Musk can achieve his vision for a Martian colony in his lifetime is debatable.
“You can’t just land one million people on Mars,” said Robert Zubrin, an aerospace engineer who has known Mr. Musk for 20 years and wrote the book “The Case for Mars.” Any colonization of the planet would unfold over decades, he said.
Mr. Zubrin added that Mr. Musk is being particularly distracted from his Mars ambitions by his recent work on X. The tech billionaire often faces criticism for being spread too thin among the companies he runs.
While Mr. Musk has spoken about Mars for years and SpaceX released two basic drawings of a colony around 2018, many specifics and the company’s shift toward civilization planning haven’t previously been reported. Mr. Musk has largely kept the colonization plans quiet because SpaceX, under a $2.9 billion contract with NASA, must first send a rocket to the moon, two people with knowledge of the company said.
The Times interviewed more than 20 people close to Mr. Musk and SpaceX about the plans for a Martian city and reviewed internal documents, emails, social media posts and legal documents. Many of the people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they had signed nondisclosure agreements.
Even they were skeptical that Mr. Musk would build a Martian city in his lifetime. Some of them said he was just trying to best Jeff Bezos, Amazon’s founder who envisions humans living in giant space stations throughout the solar system. Mr. Musk has laid out an aggressive timeline for Mars to make them work harder, others said. Drawings of the colony are sometimes referred to as a “hype package,” two of them said.
A rendering by SpaceX of a proposed “Mars Base Alpha.”
Mr. Musk and SpaceX didn’t respond to requests for comment. In a post on X after this article was published, Mr. Musk said he had not volunteered his sperm and that no one at SpaceX had been directed to work on a Martian city. “When people have asked to do so, I’ve said we need to focus on getting there first,” he wrote.
Saving Humanity
Mr. Musk has been fascinated by Mars since reading Isaac Asimov’s 1951 science fiction novel, “Foundation,” when he was 10. In the book, the protagonist builds a colony across a galaxy to save humanity from the fall of an interstellar empire.
“They find a planet far away from the galactic center and try to preserve human knowledge and civilization there while the center of the galaxy kind of falls apart,” Mr. Musk said in a 2013 interview for a science video.
In 2001, Mr. Musk tried buying a Russian rocket to reach Mars, said Jim Cantrell, a former SpaceX employee who visited Russia with him that year. But after three trips, the Russians refused to sell, and one official spit on Mr. Musk’s shoes, Mr. Cantrell said.
In 2002, Mr. Musk founded SpaceX, a privately held company in Hawthorne, Calif. It eventually created partly reusable rockets and landed government contracts, including with NASA. In recent years, it started Starlink, a satellite internet service that has expanded worldwide.
To reach Mars, SpaceX has built Starship, a nearly 400-foot reusable rocket. Starship’s immediate purpose is to take NASA astronauts to the moon, though it might later ferry residents to Mars and could also act as a small space station.
A future version of Starship may have a living space in its nose, three people familiar with the rocket said. Plans call for several floors of living quarters, with amenities like a running track and a movie theater, two of the people said. One drawing of Starship’s interior, a version of which Mr. Musk has posted on X, shows a violinist hovering in zero gravity as she plays for a crowd.
A SpaceX rendering envisioning what life could be like for passengers aboard a future version of Starship.
Starship may carry 100 passengers at a time to Mars, a journey that would happen about every two years, Mr. Musk told the International Astronautical Congress in a 2016 presentation. NASA has said a trip to Mars, located about 140 million miles from Earth, would take up to nine months.
In 2018, SpaceX engineers gathered with university researchers and others for a private meeting in Colorado to discuss the technology needed to survive on Mars, according to notes of the meeting obtained by The Times. Topics included harvesting ice to make water and selecting the right area on Mars to build a colony.
By last year, the latest versions of Starship had been built at Starbase, a SpaceX facility in Boca Chica, Texas. In June, Starship successfully returned from a test flight to space for the first time.
Colony Planning
Over the years, Mr. Musk has dropped hints about how he thinks people would live on Mars.
One theme revolves around the continuation of human life on the planet. Scientists haven’t determined whether people can have children in space. Mr. Musk has said children won’t be allowed on the first flights to Mars because of the dangers, though he expects them to live there eventually.
But Mr. Musk has a plan. In his 2013 interview for the science video, he said he hoped to create his own species on Mars, an idea that he has repeated over the years to SpaceX employees and others close to the company.
“I think it’s quite likely that we’d want to bioengineer new organisms that are better suited to living on Mars,” he said in the interview. “Humanity’s kind of done that over time, by sort of selective breeding.”
He also has a strategy for warmth. In a 2022 podcast interview, he said he would tackle the planet’s icy temperatures with a series of thermonuclear explosions that would warm the planet by creating artificial suns. Hundreds of solar panels, potentially built by Tesla, will help heat homes and create energy, three people familiar with his plans said.
A SpaceX rendering of the proposed Mars colony includes a giant dome for communal living.
Mr. Musk’s pronouncements have in recent months shifted into more concrete planning by SpaceX employees.
The industrial design team has been creating and updating renderings for a city, two people said. The colony will center on a giant dome for communal living, with smaller domes scattered around it. Discussions have lately focused on what materials to use for the domes. Mr. Musk is particularly concerned with making sure the city looks cool, two other people said.
One internal drawing obtained by The Times shows a family with young children standing in a dome neighborhood, gazing up at the stars.
In April, Mr. Musk told SpaceX employees that the Mars colony would be self-sustaining in case something happened to Earth and rockets couldn’t reach it anymore.
To achieve that, Mr. Musk plans to use Starship as sort of a Noah’s Ark, carrying plants and animals on the initial voyage, three people familiar with the plans said. Residents would then build greenhouses on Mars to grow food.
SpaceX has partnered with Impossible Foods, the plant-based alternative meat company, to provide food in SpaceX’s cafeterias, but also to test the products as a possible protein source for Mars, two of the people said.
Civilization Secured?
Starship, a nearly 400-foot reusable rocket, docked at SpaceX’s facility in Boca Chica, Texas.
Like Mr. Musk, many of SpaceX’s more than 12,000 employees believe in life on another planet, according to the people familiar with the company and documents viewed by The Times. Workers sometimes wear “Occupy Mars” or “Rocket Parent” T-shirts to work and post suggestions for the Mars colony on an internal site. One recent idea was to build the city on the side of a giant crater.
Some employees working on the Mars plans are based in Boca Chica, while others from the Southern California office fly in on Mondays and leave on Fridays. Many work more than 100 hours a week.
The Boca Chica site has an industrial complex called Stargate, with an office that some liken to being in a Las Vegas casino because the lack of windows makes it hard to tell if it is day or night, three people said. A new office under construction there will have more windows, they said. Current and former employees said the Boca Chica site has sometimes lacked basic safety protocols, like caution tape around dangerous equipment.
SpaceX has grappled with a lawsuit and a complaint from the National Labor Relations Board related to eight former employees who said they were fired for complaining about Mr. Musk’s behavior and for making allegations of sexual harassment and discrimination at the company. SpaceX hasn’t responded to the lawsuit and has sued the N.L.R.B., claiming it acted unconstitutionally.
Still, some employees said it was worth working there to create a Mars colony.
In a recent goodbye email viewed by The Times, a female SpaceX manager who worked on the Mars program described “brutal” hours and conditions, especially for working parents. But she also said the company was “an astonishing place” and that she would “trade this experience for nothing.”
Mr. Musk told SpaceX employees in April that he expected one million people to be living on Mars in about 20 years.
Mr. Musk’s presence in Boca Chica has waned recently, people familiar with the company said. He visits about once a month, sometimes in the middle of the night for a few hours with his toddler son X Æ A-12, two of the people said, compared with at least once a week previously.
Yet his resolve for a Martian civilization appears unbowed.
In May, a NASA official said that the agency didn’t expect to land humans on Mars until the 2040s. That same month, Mr. Musk posted on X that it would take less than 10 years to send people there and that there would be a Martian city in about 20 years.
“For sure in 30, civilization secured,” he wrote.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/technology/elon-musk-spacex-mars.html
Do you want lies with that ?
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
Woke is funny, it really means I’m sorry my views are outdated and possibly some sort of ism as well and I am annoyed with change
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
Woke is funny, it really means I’m sorry my views are outdated and possibly some sort of ism as well and I am annoyed with change
Does it?
Who uses it in that way then?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
RUOK Elon?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
Woke is funny, it really means I’m sorry my views are outdated and possibly some sort of ism as well and I am annoyed with change
Does it?
Who uses it in that way then?
Martin Luther King
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
Woke is funny, it really means I’m sorry my views are outdated and possibly some sort of ism as well and I am annoyed with change
Does it?
Who uses it in that way then?
It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Woke is funny, it really means I’m sorry my views are outdated and possibly some sort of ism as well and I am annoyed with change
Does it?
Who uses it in that way then?
It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Woke is funny, it really means I’m sorry my views are outdated and possibly some sort of ism as well and I am annoyed with change
Does it?
Who uses it in that way then?
It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
So you are saying that people who use “woke(ism” as an insult are saying that they themselves are annoyed with change?
That’s alright then.
ruby said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
RUOK Elon?
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Does it?
Who uses it in that way then?
It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
Imagine if musk and Kamala had a baby
Kama kama kama kam kama kamElon
esselte said:
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
Imagine if musk and Kamala had a baby
Kama kama kama kam kama kamElon
esselte said:
wookiemeister said:
Cymek said:It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
Imagine if musk and Kamala had a baby
Kama kama kama kam kama kamElon
if your name was George I would say Boy, George that’s bad.
Elons latest hobby seems to be breeding with the weirdest/ toxic women on the planet. One of his kids has a serial number for a name
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Does it?
Who uses it in that way then?
It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
So you are saying that people who use “woke(ism” as an insult are saying that they themselves are annoyed with change?
That’s alright then.
I think so.
I mean isn’t most woke stuff being just a decent person and perhaps those against have no real reason except they have outdated ideals.
ChrispenEvan said:
esselte said:
wookiemeister said:Imagine if musk and Kamala had a baby
Kama kama kama kam kama kamElon
if your name was George I would say Boy, George that’s bad.
wookiemeister said:
ruby said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Musk says estranged child’s gender-affirming care sparked fight against ‘woke mind virus’https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/07/22/elon-musk-jordan-peterson-interview/74506785007/?
RUOK Elon?
It is perfectly good and safe to give children powerful drugs like puberty blockers , what could go wrong ?
Humans being human of course will exploit the above for money and not care
ChrispenEvan said:
esselte said:
wookiemeister said:Imagine if musk and Kamala had a baby
Kama kama kama kam kama kamElon
if your name was George I would say Boy, George that’s bad.
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:It comes across as an insult, this woke stuff people hate when its usually about equality and respect and not some trend
So you are saying that people who use “woke(ism” as an insult are saying that they themselves are annoyed with change?
That’s alright then.
I think so.
I mean isn’t most woke stuff being just a decent person and perhaps those against have no real reason except they have outdated ideals.
Yes, that’s how I see it.
wookiemeister said:
Elons latest hobby seems to be breeding with the weirdest/ toxic women on the planet. One of his kids has a serial number for a name
He really does like to put an X into many things. The majority of his kids have an X in their names.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So you are saying that people who use “woke(ism” as an insult are saying that they themselves are annoyed with change?
That’s alright then.
I think so.
I mean isn’t most woke stuff being just a decent person and perhaps those against have no real reason except they have outdated ideals.
Yes, that’s how I see it.
Random person on Quora gives their views on “wokeness”:
“Why did Kamala Harris not criticize wokeness? Wokeness is not a good ideology. It has nothing to do with humanism and rationality.
reply:
Lawyers for the Florida state government used the term “woke” in court and were ordered to provide a definition. This is what the governor’s general counsel, Ryan Newman, came up with:
“the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”
Well, there are systemic injustices in American society. Anyone who examines American society, or other societies for that matter, can confirm. Whether they need to be addressed is a moral choice.
Now, you may think that “woke” means something else. Something you oppose. But that points to a problem. As the term is loosely used, it can mean anything to anyone. It means “whatever I don’t like.”
So, in conclusion, Kamala Harris probably saw no need to criticize “wokeness” because she believes there are systemic injustices in American society and she believes they should be addressed.
dv said:
Tamb said:
dv said:
Could be right According to all reports HF was a real SOB.
He had an autographed picture of Hitler on his desk.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
dv said:
Could be right According to all reports HF was a real SOB.He had an autographed picture of Hitler on his desk.
Can see how fascism would appeal to capitalist pig dogs
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:Could be right According to all reports HF was a real SOB.
He had an autographed picture of Hitler on his desk.
Can see how fascism would appeal to capitalist pig dogs
HF was a notorious anti-Semite.
dv said:
i read some of his trans kids statements. sounds like a kid you could be proud of.
dv said:
Wot a dick.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
i read some of his trans kids statements. sounds like a kid you could be proud of.
This link:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/28/video-emerges-of-kamala-harris-questioning-if-young-people-should-forgo-having-children-because-of-climate-change/
reports what she actually said, then goes on to sort of imply she said what Musk says she said.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
i read some of his trans kids statements. sounds like a kid you could be proud of.
This link:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/28/video-emerges-of-kamala-harris-questioning-if-young-people-should-forgo-having-children-because-of-climate-change/
reports what she actually said, then goes on to sort of imply she said what Musk says she said.
Some of the sci-fi my children were reading, told of times where homosexuality was likely the only way that could reduce the impact of population growth.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
i read some of his trans kids statements. sounds like a kid you could be proud of.
This link:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/28/video-emerges-of-kamala-harris-questioning-if-young-people-should-forgo-having-children-because-of-climate-change/
reports what she actually said, then goes on to sort of imply she said what Musk says she said.
Some of the sci-fi my children were reading, told of times where homosexuality was likely the only way that could reduce the impact of population growth.
What, more effective than mating with cetaceans or bovine integument¿¡
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
This link:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/28/video-emerges-of-kamala-harris-questioning-if-young-people-should-forgo-having-children-because-of-climate-change/
reports what she actually said, then goes on to sort of imply she said what Musk says she said.
Some of the sci-fi my children were reading, told of times where homosexuality was likely the only way that could reduce the impact of population growth.
What, more effective than mating with cetaceans or bovine integument¿¡
I dunno. I allowed my children to make their own choices.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Some of the sci-fi my children were reading, told of times where homosexuality was likely the only way that could reduce the impact of population growth.
What, more effective than mating with cetaceans or bovine integument¿¡
I dunno. I allowed my children to make their own choices.
Damn these archaic laws persecuting cross specific mating¿
FWIW.
The Problem With Elon Musk.
Is Elon Musk a net positive or negative for society? We spoke to people he’s worked with and researched his childhood, past business ventures like Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, and X (formerly known as Twitter), and what he’s currently working on to answer this question.
SCIENCE said:
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dv said:
SCIENCE said:
?
As Ian Dury put it:
The thing about blockheads is
They often acquire
Black and orange cars.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
?
As Ian Dury put it:
The thing about blockheads is
They often acquire
Black and orange cars.
just an alternative
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
?
As Ian Dury put it:
The thing about blockheads is
They often acquire
Black and orange cars.just an alternative
Alfa.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kamala-harris-deepfake.html
dv said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kamala-harris-deepfake.html
sheesh everyone calm down it was just a joke
We on the outside only have half-informed impressions of the Elon Musk. What does his daughter say?
dv said:
We on the outside only have half-informed impressions of the Elon Musk. What does his daughter say?
but wait, isn’t he a self made millionaire with only the planets best interest at heart?
Arts said:
dv said:
We on the outside only have half-informed impressions of the Elon Musk. What does his daughter say?
but wait, isn’t he a self made millionaire with only the planets best interest at heart?
Poor PF thought so and has been so let down that he’s not the energy to keep posting.
Don’t Worry The United Kingdom Loves
Witty Rejoinder said:
Arts said:
dv said:
We on the outside only have half-informed impressions of the Elon Musk. What does his daughter say?
but wait, isn’t he a self made millionaire with only the planets best interest at heart?
Poor PF thought so and has been so let down that he’s not the energy to keep posting.
In case you were wondering about the 14 words
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/14-words
dv said:
Now company bully.
Tau.Neutrino said:
dv said:
Now company bully.
We don’t want your company.
dv said:
So, is it that if i own some company or other, and Elon contacts me, and asks ‘would you like to advertise on X?’, and i say ‘gee, thanks for the offer, Elon, but not right now, OK?’, then it’s BAM!, lawyers and courts and stuff like that for me?
Or is he just going to sue every company that isn’t already advertising on x?
dv said:
Does he think he can scare business people?
https://futurism.com/gullible-elon-musk-falls-for-fake-news-again-deletes-post
He’s an embarrassment to Gen X. We make fun of Boomers for this.
dv said:
https://futurism.com/gullible-elon-musk-falls-for-fake-news-again-deletes-postHe’s an embarrassment to Gen X. We make fun of Boomers for this.
no he was just being ironic
How Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson are fuelling a far-right firebrand
By Louise Carpenter
August 9, 2024 — 1.27pm
At the end of June, the Canadian psychology professor and culture warrior Jordan Peterson uploaded the 462th episode of his phenomenally successful podcast (8.13 million subscribers at the last count). It was called Why the Establishment Hates This Man: Tommy Robinson.
Robinson, for those who are not familiar with the far-right activist currently at the heart of the riots taking place across Britain, was introduced by Peterson in his written blurb as “a British journalist and activist who first became an establishment target after reporting on the grooming gangs in London . From then on, he and his family have suffered sacrifice and punishment for attempting to out those who are enabling the grotesque brutality of Islamic extremism”.
That description reframes some crucial details. As Peterson acknowledges in the interview itself, Robinson, 41, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is the former leader of the far-right English Defence League or EDL.
Based in Luton, he was a member of the BNP (2004-5), joint vice-chairman of the far-right British Freedom Party (BFP), and became involved with the development of Pegida UK, a branch of the far-Right German group (now defunct).
For years, he openly whipped up hate against Muslims, describing Islam as a “disease” and a “threat to our way of life”, before apologising for provoking fear among British Muslims and claiming in 2013: “I don’t care if they want to practise their religion. It’s when they’re not integrating, and asking for special treatment.”
Latterly, Robinson has written books and made the film Silenced about his views – a film that appears to have boosted his status among many on the right concerned about controversial figures being barred from airing their views in public.
In the film, he repeated false claims that a Syrian refugee boy had regularly attacked white girls in his school before he was water-boarded by another pupil (the film was banned from being screened, although it has been broadcast on X and also at a demonstration).
In 2021, he was found to have libelled the Syrian refugee and ordered to pay £100,000 ($193,000) plus legal costs; he was also subjected to a five-year stalking prevention order for harassing a journalist and her partner.
Robinson has been repeatedly jailed, including for entering the US illegally and interfering with the trial of a sexual grooming gang at Leeds Crown Court in May 2018.
There have also been two convictions for assault, one against an off-duty police officer and the other for headbutting a man.
And now Robinson is being blamed for inciting the riots that have followed the murder of three girls at a dance club in Southport on July 29 (an accusation he denies).
While people have been naming the EDL as a key player, that organisation no longer exists. What unites the violent protesters are loose online networks, activated by deeply cynical influencers and galvanised by false reports on social media that the person responsible for the stabbings was a Muslim asylum seeker.
In the ensuing chaos, Robinson has been tweeting daily to his 900,000 online followers from a hotel in Cyprus where he has been on holiday, posting inflammatory remarks and images of the violence. On Tuesday, talking to Alex Jones, the right-wing American show host and conspiracy theorist, Robinson claimed that “Keir Starmer has purposely provoked the violence” in order to introduce legislation that restricts civil liberties.
Robinson has become an improbable talisman to members of the American Right. Steve Bannon, the former Trump strategist, has called Robinson “a hero” and described him as “the backbone” of Britain. But Robinson’s interview with Peterson, with his massive global reach, has taken Robinson’s profile to a new level. That Peterson sympathetically explored his “work” and life with him for almost two hours was a huge coup for Robinson.
Peterson focused on Robinson’s campaign to expose grooming gangs in the North of England and what he sees as various incursions by authorities on his personal freedom. He questioned him about his anti-establishment campaigning, and what is billed as Robinson giving a voice to the disaffected.
He has been invited back for a second podcast.
During the interview, Robinson publicised his July 27 rally in Westminster. It went on to attract between 20,000 and 30,000 people and at times, 500,000 were thought to be watching online. Attendance was significantly larger than expected, say analysts who monitor Robinson.
People not remotely associated with the far-right, but fans of Peterson, have been recommending the episode. “Just listen to what the man has to say” seems to be the general gist of the recommendation, shaping Robinson as misunderstood and a campaigning journalist denied his freedom of speech. There have been more than 18,000 comments: “Peterson has done more in the past week for the silenced English than the BBC have done in 20 years,” says one; “The most lied about man of British modern times,” says another.
One man, aged 35, wrote “I had always associated Tommy’s name with the hooliganism, racism and far-Right activism. Now I’m actually tearing up listening to him.”
Peterson, in one episode of his show, appears to have done more to paint Robinson in a favourable light than any advertising campaign could do.
The use of X has been crucial to Robinson’s relatively sudden elevation to prominence.
Banned from the platform in 2018, the activist was allowed back in 2023 by new owner Elon Musk.
Robinson, in return, has called Musk “the best thing to happen to free speech this century” and personally thanked him for “giving a voice for the truth”. In the past few days, Musk has allowed Robinson’s banned documentary Silenced to rack up over 33 million views on X.
Sunder Katwala, director of the think tank British Future, explains: “Tommy Robinson simply couldn’t have achieved his incendiary impact this summer without Elon Musk. For most of the last four or five years, Robinson was cut off from large mainstream audiences. He had over 400,000 followers on Twitter before his ban in 2018 – but he had only a tenth of that reach on Telegram while banned from biggest platforms. He has expressed enormous personal gratitude to Musk for ‘giving me my voice back’. He now has nearly 900,000 followers on X – a 20-fold increase in reach to what he had on Telegram. He has got 33 million views on his pinned tweet – of the Silenced film.
“That reach will probably get him into trouble when he goes back to court, as he is under an injunction not to show it after losing the defamation case .”
Tortoise, the slow news website, has calculated that Robinson’s 268 posts over last weekend had been seen over 160 million times by late on Monday afternoon.
Robinson himself published analysis that showed his posts had been viewed 1.2 billion times in the three months to August, with 4.5 million viewing his profile.
“Robinson’s broad public reputation has always been quite toxic: the public disapproved of him by a 7:1 margin in 2019, for example,” says Katwala. “His association with football hooliganism and street violence mean he will never have the mainstream reach of somebody such as Nigel Farage, who has always treated Robinson as toxic. Remember, Farage quit UKIP because his successor let Robinson into the fold.
“What the Jordan Peterson interview and his X platform are doing is giving him a much bigger reach – where he might hope that one in 10 people give him a hearing, even if he remains toxic and dangerous to most people.“
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/how-elon-musk-and-jordan-peterson-are-helping-a-far-right-firebrand-go-mainstream-20240808-p5k0ud.html
That’ll Totally Learn H’ ¡
Musk’s politics likely to damage Tesla brand. Interesting graph in the article contrasting people who would consider buying an electric vehicle versus Musk’s personal approval rating.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/aug/10/his-rhetoric-has-made-tesla-toxic-is-elon-musk-driving-away-his-target-market
dv said:
He’s always been a bit of an anti establishment maverick pushing the boundaries.
I think it is time for advertising licences. Any media platform, including social media, that does not make an effort to moderate hate speech or disinformation is not allowed to receive revenue from advertising. The onus will be on any company or person wishing to advertise to make sure they only advertise on licenced platforms.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
He’s always been a bit of an anti establishment maverick pushing the boundaries.
As they said about this critter.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
He’s always been a bit of an anti establishment maverick pushing the boundaries.
As they said about this critter.
those fingers don’t look quite normal are you sure this isn’t generated by 爱 really
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
He’s always been a bit of an anti establishment maverick pushing the boundaries.
As they said about this critter.
those fingers don’t look quite normal are you sure this isn’t generated by 爱 really
LOL
Kingy said:
LOLOLOL
Michael V said:
Kingy said:
LOLOLOL
don’t know why people don’t use those bastards’ own methods against them more
SCIENCE said:
Threads is where it’s at
SCIENCE said:
It seems like the experiment with social media should really come to an end.
kii said:
Oh goodness, two thumbs up for this summary.
ruby said:
kii said:
Oh goodness, two thumbs up for this summary.
Beautifully described.
25th of August is eXit Day, or so I’m told.
Time to mass quit X.
party_pants said:
25th of August is eXit Day, or so I’m told.Time to mass quit X.
I’d better join so I can quit.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
25th of August is eXit Day, or so I’m told.Time to mass quit X.
I’d better join so I can quit.
Can’t see it happening anyway. X is full of X addicts.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
25th of August is eXit Day, or so I’m told.
Time to mass quit X.
I’d better join so I can quit.
Can’t see it happening anyway. X is full of X addicts.
haven’t everyone left this place more than once oh wait ah yes
party_pants said:
25th of August is eXit Day, or so I’m told.Time to mass quit X.
Is there a URL for that campaign?
I spend more time on Threads now as more of the people I’m interested have made the switch but there are still people I track that are X only so I’m not sure I’ll be leaving.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/18/elon-musk-x-twitter-threads-bluesky-meta-instagram-mastodon
Spiny Norman said:
ruby said:
kii said:
Oh goodness, two thumbs up for this summary.
Beautifully described.
Agree.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-08-22/tesla-reputation-falling-as-elon-musk-alienates-ev-buyers/104229840
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/aug/22/trees-cut-down-site-tesla-gigafactory-germany-deforestation
The Supreme Court of Brazil has ordered for X to be shut down in Brazil until they play nice.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-31/brazil-orders-immediate-suspension-of-x/104294370
link
Also, anyone using a VPN cops a fine.
Good luck with that.
Elon Musk is out of control. Here is how to rein him in
Robert Reich
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/elon-musk-wealth-power
Spiny Norman said:
Elon Musk is out of control. Here is how to rein him in
Robert Reichhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/elon-musk-wealth-power
To me the best solution is to regulate advertising. Any online platform that accepts paid advertising (and they all do, it is how they survive) must have a suitable policy in place to prevent hate speech, disinformation and the like in order to get an advertising licence. If they don’t have that licence it is illegal for any other company to use their platform for advertising.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Elon Musk is out of control. Here is how to rein him in
Robert Reichhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/30/elon-musk-wealth-power
To me the best solution is to regulate advertising. Any online platform that accepts paid advertising (and they all do, it is how they survive) must have a suitable policy in place to prevent hate speech, disinformation and the like in order to get an advertising licence. If they don’t have that licence it is illegal for any other company to use their platform for advertising.
I like this idea.
so who wins communist BRICS and mortars trying to regulate the flow of information or billionaire fascists trying to dominate the flow of information
https://www.staffordshire.police.uk/news/staffordshire/news/2024/august/couple-jailed-for-collective-four-years-for-violent-disorder-in-stoke-on-trent/
A couple from Newcastle-under-Lyme have been jailed for a collective four years for their part in the violent disorder in Stoke-on-Trent.
Ciaran Lockett, 34, and his partner Deana Evans, 32, were sentenced at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court today (Friday 30 August) after they admitted the offences at an earlier hearing.
They were both seen on CCTV and bodyworn video footage launching missiles and trying to push through police lines, all while being verbally abusive to the officers who were trying to keep people safe.
At one point, the pair stopped a police van that was attempting to get through the crowds on blue-lights, pressing themselves against the front of the vehicle to stop it moving. They had to be physically removed by officers after refusing to get out of the way.
The pair continued to challenge officers at the scene and had to be pushed back with public order shields.
After they were identified in the footage, we went to their address to arrest them on 22 August. Evans lashed out at an officer when her phone was seized, hitting him in the chest with her elbow. She tried to resist being put in handcuffs before being taken to custody alongside Lockett.
After pleading guilty to violent disorder and common assault of an emergency worker, Evans was sentenced to 20-months in prison.
Lockett, who admitted violent disorder, was given a 32-month sentence.
dv said:
https://www.staffordshire.police.uk/news/staffordshire/news/2024/august/couple-jailed-for-collective-four-years-for-violent-disorder-in-stoke-on-trent/
A couple from Newcastle-under-Lyme have been jailed for a collective four years for their part in the violent disorder in Stoke-on-Trent.
Ciaran Lockett, 34, and his partner Deana Evans, 32, were sentenced at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court today (Friday 30 August) after they admitted the offences at an earlier hearing.
They were both seen on CCTV and bodyworn video footage launching missiles and trying to push through police lines, all while being verbally abusive to the officers who were trying to keep people safe.
At one point, the pair stopped a police van that was attempting to get through the crowds on blue-lights, pressing themselves against the front of the vehicle to stop it moving. They had to be physically removed by officers after refusing to get out of the way.
The pair continued to challenge officers at the scene and had to be pushed back with public order shields.
After they were identified in the footage, we went to their address to arrest them on 22 August. Evans lashed out at an officer when her phone was seized, hitting him in the chest with her elbow. She tried to resist being put in handcuffs before being taken to custody alongside Lockett.
After pleading guilty to violent disorder and common assault of an emergency worker, Evans was sentenced to 20-months in prison.
Lockett, who admitted violent disorder, was given a 32-month sentence.
so strictly speaking the statement was correct
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Vote
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
preferably a big black man or Pacific Islander?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
preferably a big black man or Pacific Islander?
Imane Khelif
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
preferably a big black man or Pacific Islander?
a bunch of monty python old ladies with umbrellas.
youselot are so violent no need to stoop to their level youseknow when people are shooting you just lie down and die sheesh
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
preferably a big black man or Pacific Islander?
a bunch of monty python old ladies with umbrellas.
oooooh, I can just picture it now!
SCIENCE said:
youselot are so violent no need to stoop to their level youseknow when people are shooting you just lie down and die sheesh
if you lie down are you still higher than their level?
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:preferably a big black man or Pacific Islander?
a bunch of monty python old ladies with umbrellas.
oooooh, I can just picture it now!
Pepperpots are middle-aged housewives, usually British, portrayed by a male member of the group dressed as a woman and speaking in a screeching falsetto.
Pepperpots typically have farcical names; examples include “Mrs Premise”, “Mrs Conclusion”, “Mrs Concrete”, “Mrs Smoker”, “Mrs Non-Smoker”, “Mrs Gorilla”, “Mrs Non-Gorilla”, “Mrs Thing”, “Mrs Entity”, “Mrs Mock Tudor”, “Mrs Elizabeth III” or “Mrs Trepidatious”.
https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/Pepperpot
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:a bunch of monty python old ladies with umbrellas.
oooooh, I can just picture it now!
Pepperpots are middle-aged housewives, usually British, portrayed by a male member of the group dressed as a woman and speaking in a screeching falsetto.
Pepperpots typically have farcical names; examples include “Mrs Premise”, “Mrs Conclusion”, “Mrs Concrete”, “Mrs Smoker”, “Mrs Non-Smoker”, “Mrs Gorilla”, “Mrs Non-Gorilla”, “Mrs Thing”, “Mrs Entity”, “Mrs Mock Tudor”, “Mrs Elizabeth III” or “Mrs Trepidatious”.
https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/Pepperpot
Batley Townswomen’s Guild Presents the Battle of Pearl Harbour
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:oooooh, I can just picture it now!
Pepperpots are middle-aged housewives, usually British, portrayed by a male member of the group dressed as a woman and speaking in a screeching falsetto.
Pepperpots typically have farcical names; examples include “Mrs Premise”, “Mrs Conclusion”, “Mrs Concrete”, “Mrs Smoker”, “Mrs Non-Smoker”, “Mrs Gorilla”, “Mrs Non-Gorilla”, “Mrs Thing”, “Mrs Entity”, “Mrs Mock Tudor”, “Mrs Elizabeth III” or “Mrs Trepidatious”.
https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/Pepperpot
Batley Townswomen’s Guild Presents the Battle of Pearl Harbour
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:Pepperpots are middle-aged housewives, usually British, portrayed by a male member of the group dressed as a woman and speaking in a screeching falsetto.
Pepperpots typically have farcical names; examples include “Mrs Premise”, “Mrs Conclusion”, “Mrs Concrete”, “Mrs Smoker”, “Mrs Non-Smoker”, “Mrs Gorilla”, “Mrs Non-Gorilla”, “Mrs Thing”, “Mrs Entity”, “Mrs Mock Tudor”, “Mrs Elizabeth III” or “Mrs Trepidatious”.
https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/Pepperpot
Batley Townswomen’s Guild Presents the Battle of Pearl Harbour
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:a bunch of monty python old ladies with umbrellas.
oooooh, I can just picture it now!
Pepperpots are middle-aged housewives, usually British, portrayed by a male member of the group dressed as a woman and speaking in a screeching falsetto.
Pepperpots typically have farcical names; examples include “Mrs Premise”, “Mrs Conclusion”, “Mrs Concrete”, “Mrs Smoker”, “Mrs Non-Smoker”, “Mrs Gorilla”, “Mrs Non-Gorilla”, “Mrs Thing”, “Mrs Entity”, “Mrs Mock Tudor”, “Mrs Elizabeth III” or “Mrs Trepidatious”.
https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/Pepperpot
I have the book of all the Flying Circus scripts. The preface contains an explanation of Pepperpots.
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
youselot are so violent no need to stoop to their level youseknow when people are shooting you just lie down and die sheesh
if you lie down are you still higher than their level?
lie down on the roof and aim for the ear wait
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:oooooh, I can just picture it now!
Pepperpots are middle-aged housewives, usually British, portrayed by a male member of the group dressed as a woman and speaking in a screeching falsetto.
Pepperpots typically have farcical names; examples include “Mrs Premise”, “Mrs Conclusion”, “Mrs Concrete”, “Mrs Smoker”, “Mrs Non-Smoker”, “Mrs Gorilla”, “Mrs Non-Gorilla”, “Mrs Thing”, “Mrs Entity”, “Mrs Mock Tudor”, “Mrs Elizabeth III” or “Mrs Trepidatious”.
https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/Pepperpot
I have the book of all the Flying Circus scripts. The preface contains an explanation of Pepperpots.
my first imagining was in cartoon form. but pepperpots with handbags will suffice.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
Violence is always a good idea when it comes to people that say stuff we don’t agree with
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
Violence is always a good idea when it comes to people that say stuff we don’t agree with
fucking oath it is. The sooner them cunts learn this the better. It’s the only language they respect.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
Violence is always a good idea when it comes to people that say stuff we don’t agree with
fucking oath it is. The sooner them cunts learn this the better. It’s the only language they respect.
damn straight.. fucking deplorables
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
Violence is always a good idea when it comes to people that say stuff we don’t agree with
Elon ain’t people.
diddly-squat said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
Violence is always a good idea when it comes to people that say stuff we don’t agree with
I am not a violent person. I cringe in the corner. I am trying to be funny. coz I can’t take that seriously.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:Violence is always a good idea when it comes to people that say stuff we don’t agree with
fucking oath it is. The sooner them cunts learn this the better. It’s the only language they respect.
damn straight.. fucking deplorables
Empowering isn’t it? Once you get the hang of it :)
What is funny is that Elon thinks he’s an alpha male.
Witty Rejoinder said:
What is funny is that Elon thinks he’s an alpha male.
What is funny is that human societies don’t have alpha males like some species of lesser primates do, because we tend to live in separate nuclear family groups.
So any man who self-identifies as an alpha male isn’t. Because it does not apply to our species,
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What is funny is that Elon thinks he’s an alpha male.
What is funny is that human societies don’t have alpha males like some species of lesser primates do, because we tend to live in separate nuclear family groups.
So any man who self-identifies as an alpha male isn’t. Because it does not apply to our species,
I think the term has a certain accepted stereotype, that said I think Elon probably self identifies more in the “ aneurotypical people” category.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What is funny is that Elon thinks he’s an alpha male.
What is funny is that human societies don’t have alpha males like some species of lesser primates do, because we tend to live in separate nuclear family groups.
So any man who self-identifies as an alpha male isn’t. Because it does not apply to our species,
I think the term has a certain accepted stereotype, that said I think Elon probably self identifies more in the “ aneurotypical people” category.
Most men who self-promote as alpha male according to that particular stereotype probably aren’t one either, they are just blow-hards. Those who actually are don’t self-promote it.
can’t we just sit down like the empress with HAMASPUTIN and have a nice chat over some wine and cheese about not fighting and not being violent
Alpha male refers to the head of the family. If he meets an alpha male from another family they may fight each other for the right to take the harem but he’s usually busy trying to stop the other males in hs own family from taking the lead from him. I see none of that from Elon. Does he protect his wife from orther males by attempting to tear their throat with his teeth?
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Elon Musk Shares Theory That Only ‘Alpha Males’ Should Votehttps://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-shares-controversial-theory-democracy-1947873
someone should beat the shit out of him for saying that.
Another alpha male.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What is funny is that Elon thinks he’s an alpha male.
What is funny is that human societies don’t have alpha males like some species of lesser primates do, because we tend to live in separate nuclear family groups.
So any man who self-identifies as an alpha male isn’t. Because it does not apply to our species,
OTOH we’re a highly social species with many hierachies and leadership roles, which traditionally have been dominated by male extroverts who covet high status.
It’s these that are usually regarded as “alpha males” in a human context and yes, they often do try to promote themselves. It’s not unusual to find successful alpha males who began as undeserving, loudmouth wannabes and never really changed.
what if they aren’t Greek then what
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
What is funny is that Elon thinks he’s an alpha male.
What is funny is that human societies don’t have alpha males like some species of lesser primates do, because we tend to live in separate nuclear family groups.
So any man who self-identifies as an alpha male isn’t. Because it does not apply to our species,
OTOH we’re a highly social species with many hierachies and leadership roles, which traditionally have been dominated by male extroverts who covet high status.
It’s these that are usually regarded as “alpha males” in a human context and yes, they often do try to promote themselves. It’s not unusual to find successful alpha males who began as undeserving, loudmouth wannabes and never really changed.
Agreed.
I think the idea that humans no longer have tribal groups is rather strange.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:What is funny is that human societies don’t have alpha males like some species of lesser primates do, because we tend to live in separate nuclear family groups.
So any man who self-identifies as an alpha male isn’t. Because it does not apply to our species,
OTOH we’re a highly social species with many hierachies and leadership roles, which traditionally have been dominated by male extroverts who covet high status.
It’s these that are usually regarded as “alpha males” in a human context and yes, they often do try to promote themselves. It’s not unusual to find successful alpha males who began as undeserving, loudmouth wannabes and never really changed.
Agreed.
I think the idea that humans no longer have tribal groups is rather strange.
We do have tribal groups.
roughbarked said:
Alpha male refers to the head of the family. If he meets an alpha male from another family they may fight each other for the right to take the harem but he’s usually busy trying to stop the other males in hs own family from taking the lead from him. I see none of that from Elon. Does he protect his wife from orther males by attempting to tear their throat with his teeth?
an “alpha male” isn’t really the head of a family (an any sort of traditional sence), in most animal species where alpha males are present they tend do be the dominate male, which in turn gives them breeding rights over a particular group of females. They tend not to give a shit about the ‘family’ per se or at least have little to do with the day-to-day family dynamics.
In the context of the linked story, the quote seems to be suggesting that men with high levels of testosterone (this is double speak for men that are ‘strong’) and ‘aneurotypical people’ are better equipped to withstand manipulation because they can look at information and assess it more critically. It’s this quality trait that makes them better leaders and/or decision makers.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Alpha male refers to the head of the family. If he meets an alpha male from another family they may fight each other for the right to take the harem but he’s usually busy trying to stop the other males in hs own family from taking the lead from him. I see none of that from Elon. Does he protect his wife from orther males by attempting to tear their throat with his teeth?
an “alpha male” isn’t really the head of a family (an any sort of traditional sence), in most animal species where alpha males are present they tend do be the dominate male, which in turn gives them breeding rights over a particular group of females. They tend not to give a shit about the ‘family’ per se or at least have little to do with the day-to-day family dynamics.
In the context of the linked story, the quote seems to be suggesting that men with high levels of testosterone (this is double speak for men that are ‘strong’) and ‘aneurotypical people’ are better equipped to withstand manipulation because they can look at information and assess it more critically. It’s this quality trait that makes them better leaders and/or decision makers.
well it’s true
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Alpha male refers to the head of the family. If he meets an alpha male from another family they may fight each other for the right to take the harem but he’s usually busy trying to stop the other males in hs own family from taking the lead from him. I see none of that from Elon. Does he protect his wife from orther males by attempting to tear their throat with his teeth?
an “alpha male” isn’t really the head of a family (an any sort of traditional sence), in most animal species where alpha males are present they tend do be the dominate male, which in turn gives them breeding rights over a particular group of females. They tend not to give a shit about the ‘family’ per se or at least have little to do with the day-to-day family dynamics.
In the context of the linked story, the quote seems to be suggesting that men with high levels of testosterone (this is double speak for men that are ‘strong’) and ‘aneurotypical people’ are better equipped to withstand manipulation because they can look at information and assess it more critically. It’s this quality trait that makes them better leaders and/or decision makers.
well it’s true
What is?
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Alpha male refers to the head of the family. If he meets an alpha male from another family they may fight each other for the right to take the harem but he’s usually busy trying to stop the other males in hs own family from taking the lead from him. I see none of that from Elon. Does he protect his wife from orther males by attempting to tear their throat with his teeth?
an “alpha male” isn’t really the head of a family (an any sort of traditional sence), in most animal species where alpha males are present they tend do be the dominate male, which in turn gives them breeding rights over a particular group of females. They tend not to give a shit about the ‘family’ per se or at least have little to do with the day-to-day family dynamics.
In the context of the linked story, the quote seems to be suggesting that men with high levels of testosterone (this is double speak for men that are ‘strong’) and ‘aneurotypical people’ are better equipped to withstand manipulation because they can look at information and assess it more critically. It’s this quality trait that makes them better leaders and/or decision makers.
How does testosterone increase their abilities iin the ways you suggested?
SCIENCE said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Alpha male refers to the head of the family. If he meets an alpha male from another family they may fight each other for the right to take the harem but he’s usually busy trying to stop the other males in hs own family from taking the lead from him. I see none of that from Elon. Does he protect his wife from orther males by attempting to tear their throat with his teeth?
an “alpha male” isn’t really the head of a family (an any sort of traditional sence), in most animal species where alpha males are present they tend do be the dominate male, which in turn gives them breeding rights over a particular group of females. They tend not to give a shit about the ‘family’ per se or at least have little to do with the day-to-day family dynamics.
In the context of the linked story, the quote seems to be suggesting that men with high levels of testosterone (this is double speak for men that are ‘strong’) and ‘aneurotypical people’ are better equipped to withstand manipulation because they can look at information and assess it more critically. It’s this quality trait that makes them better leaders and/or decision makers.
well it’s true
Those that seek power are probably the last ones that should have it most of the time
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Alpha male refers to the head of the family. If he meets an alpha male from another family they may fight each other for the right to take the harem but he’s usually busy trying to stop the other males in hs own family from taking the lead from him. I see none of that from Elon. Does he protect his wife from orther males by attempting to tear their throat with his teeth?
an “alpha male” isn’t really the head of a family (an any sort of traditional sence), in most animal species where alpha males are present they tend do be the dominate male, which in turn gives them breeding rights over a particular group of females. They tend not to give a shit about the ‘family’ per se or at least have little to do with the day-to-day family dynamics.
In the context of the linked story, the quote seems to be suggesting that men with high levels of testosterone (this is double speak for men that are ‘strong’) and ‘aneurotypical people’ are better equipped to withstand manipulation because they can look at information and assess it more critically. It’s this quality trait that makes them better leaders and/or decision makers.
How does testosterone increase their abilities iin the ways you suggested?
I’m not suggesting anything.. the suggestion in the article is that these people are better equipped to defend themselves from manipulation
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:an “alpha male” isn’t really the head of a family (an any sort of traditional sence), in most animal species where alpha males are present they tend do be the dominate male, which in turn gives them breeding rights over a particular group of females. They tend not to give a shit about the ‘family’ per se or at least have little to do with the day-to-day family dynamics.
In the context of the linked story, the quote seems to be suggesting that men with high levels of testosterone (this is double speak for men that are ‘strong’) and ‘aneurotypical people’ are better equipped to withstand manipulation because they can look at information and assess it more critically. It’s this quality trait that makes them better leaders and/or decision makers.
How does testosterone increase their abilities iin the ways you suggested?
I’m not suggesting anything.. the suggestion in the article is that these people are better equipped to defend themselves from manipulation
What is defined as a better leader
One that maintains the status quo no matter the consequences
Seems leaders in this context could mean a bully with sociopathic tendancies that gets the job done (that job could be genocide) regardless of all other considerations.
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken, this plan didn’t work out all too well for the people of the Foundation
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken, this plan didn’t work out all too well for the people of the Foundation
He only read the parts that suited him.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken, this plan didn’t work out all too well for the people of the Foundation
He only read the parts that suited him.
so it’s a religious text
sarahs mum said:
A far rightie with no holistic empathy.
sarahs mum said:
OMG. I can’t unsee that. Yuck.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
OMG. I can’t unsee that. Yuck.
I can’t unknow his opinion on how the world should be run. Yuck indeed.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
OMG. I can’t unsee that. Yuck.
Maybe he’s just trying to punish CHINA and wreck their Tesla production profits without overly doing it¡
dv said:
what’s the catch
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
what’s the catch
they taste like chicken!
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
what’s the catch
Someone should ask him how many Rs are in strawberry.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
what’s the catch
Someone should ask him how many Rs are in strawberry.
joking aside though stunt doubles and ghostwriters and misattribution have been a thing since humans exchanged information with humans so arseholes getting someone or something else to pump out their shit is not going to be a surprise in the least
sarahs mum said:
Yuck.
Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Yuck.
Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.
James Ball article in the The New European.
Elon Musk: a man without a plan
A credulous, paranoid chancer, Musk has risen to fame through luck and other people’s hard work
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/elon-musk-a-man-without-a-plan/?mc_cid=f580cc6e08&mc_eid=1bb1595a93
Bubblecar said:
James Ball article in the The New European.Elon Musk: a man without a plan
A credulous, paranoid chancer, Musk has risen to fame through luck and other people’s hard work
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/elon-musk-a-man-without-a-plan/?mc_cid=f580cc6e08&mc_eid=1bb1595a93
Elon don’t care and laughs at you all. Shame the critics don’t investigate the man and his background. He certainly is not an angel and might get it wrong now and again, but no wonder he does not bother getting advice from these extreme left-wingers.
>Elon don’t care and laughs at you all.
And that’s why, unfortunately, the rest of us do have to care about this potentially dangerous critter.
Bubblecar said:
>Elon don’t care and laughs at you all.And that’s why, unfortunately, the rest of us do have to care about this potentially dangerous critter.
LOL
People like you with your extreme and irresponsible character assassinations of everyone who does not hold your views is what causes much turmoil in the world and collectively can lead to much worse. The Nasi’s convinced themselves the Jews were sub-human and so they could do with them as they pleased.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
>Elon don’t care and laughs at you all.And that’s why, unfortunately, the rest of us do have to care about this potentially dangerous critter.
LOL
People like you with your extreme and irresponsible character assassinations of everyone who does not hold your views is what causes much turmoil in the world and collectively can lead to much worse. The Nasi’s convinced themselves the Jews were sub-human and so they could do with them as they pleased.
LOL
People like you with your extreme and irresponsible character assassinations of everyone who does not hold your views is what causes much turmoil in the world and collectively can lead to much worse. The Nasi’s convinced themselves the Jews were sub-human and so they could do with them as they pleased.
dv said:
LOL
People like you with your extreme and irresponsible character assassinations of everyone who does not hold your views is what causes much turmoil in the world and collectively can lead to much worse. The Nasi’s convinced themselves the Jews were sub-human and so they could do with them as they pleased.
Very good simile dv, you excel yourself. Why don’t you go and read a comic and then find a meme to make you look super smart by knowing it. :)))
PermeateFree said:
dv said:LOL
People like you with your extreme and irresponsible character assassinations of everyone who does not hold your views is what causes much turmoil in the world and collectively can lead to much worse. The Nasi’s convinced themselves the Jews were sub-human and so they could do with them as they pleased.
Very good simile dv, you excel yourself. Why don’t you go and read a comic and then find a meme to make you look super smart by knowing it. :)))
You seem to find racial vilification and antisemitism acceptable if Elon does it. Let’s hope he doesn’t chastise environmentalists and advocate pulling the US out of the Paris treaty you might just go ins… oh wait. Too late.
these modern chat bots are so piss weak
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:LOL
People like you with your extreme and irresponsible character assassinations of everyone who does not hold your views is what causes much turmoil in the world and collectively can lead to much worse. The Nasi’s convinced themselves the Jews were sub-human and so they could do with them as they pleased.
Very good simile dv, you excel yourself. Why don’t you go and read a comic and then find a meme to make you look super smart by knowing it. :)))
You seem to find racial vilification and antisemitism acceptable if Elon does it. Let’s hope he doesn’t chastise environmentalists and advocate pulling the US out of the Paris treaty you might just go ins… oh wait. Too late.
So says the Claytons Aborigine. You are quite brilliant is a basic uncouth sort of way. I am really past caring what you or anyone else here thinks, in which case Elon and I are very similar, I only wish I had some of his money to really piss you off.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Very good simile dv, you excel yourself. Why don’t you go and read a comic and then find a meme to make you look super smart by knowing it. :)))
You seem to find racial vilification and antisemitism acceptable if Elon does it. Let’s hope he doesn’t chastise environmentalists and advocate pulling the US out of the Paris treaty you might just go ins… oh wait. Too late.
So says the Claytons Aborigine. You are quite brilliant is a basic uncouth sort of way. I am really past caring what you or anyone else here thinks, in which case Elon and I are very similar, I only wish I had some of his money to really piss you off.
Yeah it’s pretty evident that you value money above virtue.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You seem to find racial vilification and antisemitism acceptable if Elon does it. Let’s hope he doesn’t chastise environmentalists and advocate pulling the US out of the Paris treaty you might just go ins… oh wait. Too late.
So says the Claytons Aborigine. You are quite brilliant is a basic uncouth sort of way. I am really past caring what you or anyone else here thinks, in which case Elon and I are very similar, I only wish I had some of his money to really piss you off.
Yeah it’s pretty evident that you value money above virtue.
That is really a laugh, just shows how little you know of me or my background. You are digging deep into that barrel of hurt for more ammunition to throw at me, just shows the scum you are.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:So says the Claytons Aborigine. You are quite brilliant is a basic uncouth sort of way. I am really past caring what you or anyone else here thinks, in which case Elon and I are very similar, I only wish I had some of his money to really piss you off.
Yeah it’s pretty evident that you value money above virtue.
That is really a laugh, just shows how little you know of me or my background. You are digging deep into that barrel of hurt for more ammunition to throw at me, just shows the scum you are.
Yes dear.
JudgeMental said:
I wondered how many of these things are actually being sold:
“Extrapolating that through the end of 2024 means Tesla could deliver around 23,500 Cybertrucks this year. However, at its annual shareholder meeting two weeks ago, CEO Elon Musk disclosed Tesla achieved a production record of 1,300 Cybertrucks per week, with a stretch goal of 2,500 vehicles per week by the end of 2024.
Producing 2,500 Cybertrucks a week equates to a theoretical 125,000 vehicles a year (with two weeks of factory downtime), or half the total Tesla sees as its full-volume production total of 250,000 units.
The bigger question here is whether there are enough Cybertruck buyers for 125,000 vehicles produced in a year, let alone 250,000 vehicles. Musk claimed last year that Cybertruck demand was “off the hook” and also revealed at the shareholder meeting that cheaper, non-Foundation series Cybertrucks are on the way. The Foundation Series starts at $102,235, but cheaper trims like the Cyberbeast ($96,390) and All-Wheel Drive ($76,390) could be on the way.”
Seems to me there is a good market there for someone if they can reduce the price and dump the geeky appearance, provided they can do a full day’s work on an overnight charge.
JudgeMental said:
Are there really people who think that these wedge wagons actually look good?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Seems to me there is a good market there for someone if they can reduce the price and dump the geeky appearance, provided they can do a full day’s work on an overnight charge.
I think that there might be a very good market for for an electric vehicle that’s inexpensive (i mean, seriously affordable), doesn’t look totally horrible, and can go all day on an overnight charge.
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
Are there really people who think that these wedge wagons actually look good?
Saw one in a video recently, I thought it was hilarious.
For some reason the driver had decided to drive along a picket fence, right in the middle of the car, to knock it down. No idea why that type of destruction was on the menu, but the part that amused me greatly was when they stopped, someone pointed to under the front of the car and there was a torrent of coolant gushing out where the wooden pickets had been forced up into the front of the car.
Made my day. :)
Honestly, i don’t give a hoot about Musk, E.
But, this pic from the South By South West festival in Austin, Texas, is too good:
A lot of tech/geek/media ‘bros’ there, yet none ofthem looking particularly thrilled about being in the company of T-shirt Guy.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
Are there really people who think that these wedge wagons actually look good?
Saw one in a video recently, I thought it was hilarious.
For some reason the driver had decided to drive along a picket fence, right in the middle of the car, to knock it down. No idea why that type of destruction was on the menu, but the part that amused me greatly was when they stopped, someone pointed to under the front of the car and there was a torrent of coolant gushing out where the wooden pickets had been forced up into the front of the car.
Made my day. :)
Ooh! Found it.
Spiny Norman said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:Are there really people who think that these wedge wagons actually look good?
Saw one in a video recently, I thought it was hilarious.
For some reason the driver had decided to drive along a picket fence, right in the middle of the car, to knock it down. No idea why that type of destruction was on the menu, but the part that amused me greatly was when they stopped, someone pointed to under the front of the car and there was a torrent of coolant gushing out where the wooden pickets had been forced up into the front of the car.
Made my day. :)
Ooh! Found it.
He’s a clever boy, isn’t he?
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Seems to me there is a good market there for someone if they can reduce the price and dump the geeky appearance, provided they can do a full day’s work on an overnight charge.
I think that there might be a very good market for for an electric vehicle that’s inexpensive (i mean, seriously affordable), doesn’t look totally horrible, and can go all day on an overnight charge.
Haven’t Ford got one the size of the F150?
Spiny Norman said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:Are there really people who think that these wedge wagons actually look good?
Saw one in a video recently, I thought it was hilarious.
For some reason the driver had decided to drive along a picket fence, right in the middle of the car, to knock it down. No idea why that type of destruction was on the menu, but the part that amused me greatly was when they stopped, someone pointed to under the front of the car and there was a torrent of coolant gushing out where the wooden pickets had been forced up into the front of the car.
Made my day. :)
Ooh! Found it.
HIS cybertruck? He must have loads of spendable stuff. He doesn’t have much up top though.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Seems to me there is a good market there for someone if they can reduce the price and dump the geeky appearance, provided they can do a full day’s work on an overnight charge.
I think that there might be a very good market for for an electric vehicle that’s inexpensive (i mean, seriously affordable), doesn’t look totally horrible, and can go all day on an overnight charge.
Haven’t Ford got one the size of the F150?
F150 Lightning.
Not available in Australia. Likely never will be. (Blame the new fuel efficiency rules.) 1000 km per full charge.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:I think that there might be a very good market for for an electric vehicle that’s inexpensive (i mean, seriously affordable), doesn’t look totally horrible, and can go all day on an overnight charge.
Haven’t Ford got one the size of the F150?
F150 Lightning.
Not available in Australia. Likely never will be. (Blame the new fuel efficiency rules.) 1000 km per full charge.
I know nothing about these fuel efficiency rules.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:Haven’t Ford got one the size of the F150?
F150 Lightning.
Not available in Australia. Likely never will be. (Blame the new fuel efficiency rules.) 1000 km per full charge.
I know nothing about these fuel efficiency rules.
They are like the European rules, but don’t include 4WDs or vans, and include hybrids as full electric. I am very angry with Federal Labor over it. They look like they have done something (they have – sedans etc) but they don’t include the most popular vehicles in Australia – 4WDs.
dv said:
but right now felon is accusing regulators of being fascists, which history is telling us is the opposite, except current
wait
SCIENCE said:
dv said:When a felon’s not engaged in his employmentbut right now felon is accusing regulators of being fascists, which history is telling us is the opposite, except current
wait
O RLY?
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-confirms-secret-twitter-account-x-child-2024-4
Musk admitted that Elon Test is his own account.
dv said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-confirms-secret-twitter-account-x-child-2024-4
Musk admitted that Elon Test is his own account.
no coercive controlling stalker ever used a burner to do burn
dv said:
wait does blocking stalkers automatically block their burning socks as well
dv said:
Presumably, public viewing ups the ante on advertisng revenue.
If this happens, the barbarians will have won that battle.
I suspect there’ll be a mass exodus from Twitter seconds after that happens.
Spiny Norman said:
If this happens, the barbarians will have won that battle.
I suspect there’ll be a mass exodus from Twitter seconds after that happens.
Lets hope so.
Also, I would love to see Musk lose the money he has bet on Twitter. Purely because he is an arse.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
If this happens, the barbarians will have won that battle.
I suspect there’ll be a mass exodus from Twitter seconds after that happens.
Lets hope so.
Also, I would love to see Musk lose the money he has bet on Twitter. Purely because he is an arse.
A day after that happens, I’m thinking about starting a social media site named Twitta. :)
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
If this happens, the barbarians will have won that battle.
I suspect there’ll be a mass exodus from Twitter seconds after that happens.
Lets hope so.
Also, I would love to see Musk lose the money he has bet on Twitter. Purely because he is an arse.
I thought he already had lost most of it.
Or has it gone back up?
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
If this happens, the barbarians will have won that battle.
I suspect there’ll be a mass exodus from Twitter seconds after that happens.
Lets hope so.
Also, I would love to see Musk lose the money he has bet on Twitter. Purely because he is an arse.
He does seem hell-bent on flying the thing into the ground at the maximum rate of knots.
From Quora:
“… was a truly great man in his younger years – but in later life he seems to have gone off the rails. Either he started to get dementia – or he just got desperate enough to lie and cheat in order to get new investors and to say hugely contentious things like that to keep attention onto himself as his past achievements began to fade. I don’t know – maybe a mix of both.”
Actually about Tesla.
Still, seems appropriate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
From Quora:“… was a truly great man in his younger years – but in later life he seems to have gone off the rails. Either he started to get dementia – or he just got desperate enough to lie and cheat in order to get new investors and to say hugely contentious things like that to keep attention onto himself as his past achievements began to fade. I don’t know – maybe a mix of both.”
Actually about Tesla.
Still, seems appropriate.
Very appropriate.
I see that in a few people with good things to contribute in their younger years, and then go a bit gaga in older years.
Sadly also see some quieter older people of wisdom who still have much to contribute being drowned out by the noisy demands of ego driven confabulations (to use a term I recently learnt)
The Rev Dodgson said:
From Quora:“… was a truly great man in his younger years – but in later life he seems to have gone off the rails. Either he started to get dementia – or he just got desperate enough to lie and cheat in order to get new investors and to say hugely contentious things like that to keep attention onto himself as his past achievements began to fade. I don’t know – maybe a mix of both.”
Actually about Tesla.
Still, seems appropriate.
I think Tesla was always a little off the rails.
The claim of truly great though, uh, yeah, about that.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From Quora:“… was a truly great man in his younger years – but in later life he seems to have gone off the rails. Either he started to get dementia – or he just got desperate enough to lie and cheat in order to get new investors and to say hugely contentious things like that to keep attention onto himself as his past achievements began to fade. I don’t know – maybe a mix of both.”
Actually about Tesla.
Still, seems appropriate.
I think Tesla was always a little off the rails.
Still appropriate then :)
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From Quora:“… was a truly great man in his younger years – but in later life he seems to have gone off the rails. Either he started to get dementia – or he just got desperate enough to lie and cheat in order to get new investors and to say hugely contentious things like that to keep attention onto himself as his past achievements began to fade. I don’t know – maybe a mix of both.”
Actually about Tesla.
Still, seems appropriate.
I think Tesla was always a little off the rails.
He was Serbian/Hungarian. ‘nuf said.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
From Quora:
“… was a truly great man in his younger years – but in later life he seems to have gone off the rails. Either he started to get dementia – or he just got desperate enough to lie and cheat in order to get new investors and to say hugely contentious things like that to keep attention onto himself as his past achievements began to fade. I don’t know – maybe a mix of both.”
Actually about Tesla.
Still, seems appropriate.
I think Tesla was always a little off the rails.
Wait we thought the ray schism was done by Thomas Young¿
Good.
“X (formerly Twitter) has unsuccessfully challenged Australia’s eSafety Commissioner’s fine for allegedly failing to respond to questions about harmful content on its platform, particularly child sexual abuse material.”
Musk speaks at Trump rally and is praised by Trump for saving free speech.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-06/donald-trump-returns-to-assassination-attempt-rally/104438024
ugh
SCIENCE said:
ugh
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
ugh
look we know we’re naïve as fuck but even 4 years ago we thought that raising a critical thinking baseline would be a feasible way to make some progress to solving many of the problems around the place but as it turns out in this day and age even getting people to recognise and dismiss outright fucking lies seems to be getting too much
Listen, I’ll give you the drum:
He is doomed
his shares are down
his name is shit all over town
Here’s an image you never wanted in your mind.
Following on from his tweet asking why no-one has tried to assassinate Harris.
https://x.com/i/status/1843447400528261540
Elon & Tucker having a good laugh in new interview: “Nobody has even bothered to kill Kamala because it’s pointless. Ha, ha, ha. What do you achieve? Nothing, you just bought another puppet Nobody is trying to kill Biden, it would be pointless.”
What an utter cnut.
Spiny Norman said:
Following on from his tweet asking why no-one has tried to assassinate Harris.https://x.com/i/status/1843447400528261540
Elon & Tucker having a good laugh in new interview: “Nobody has even bothered to kill Kamala because it’s pointless. Ha, ha, ha. What do you achieve? Nothing, you just bought another puppet Nobody is trying to kill Biden, it would be pointless.”
What an utter cnut.
Stop using X
Stop buying Tesla cars
Stop using StarLink.
Send the cunt broke. It’s the on;y way to stop him.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Following on from his tweet asking why no-one has tried to assassinate Harris.https://x.com/i/status/1843447400528261540
Elon & Tucker having a good laugh in new interview: “Nobody has even bothered to kill Kamala because it’s pointless. Ha, ha, ha. What do you achieve? Nothing, you just bought another puppet Nobody is trying to kill Biden, it would be pointless.”
What an utter cnut.
Stop using X
Stop buying Tesla cars
Stop using StarLink.Send the cunt broke. It’s the on;y way to stop him.
All that money and foolish behaviour.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Following on from his tweet asking why no-one has tried to assassinate Harris.https://x.com/i/status/1843447400528261540
Elon & Tucker having a good laugh in new interview: “Nobody has even bothered to kill Kamala because it’s pointless. Ha, ha, ha. What do you achieve? Nothing, you just bought another puppet Nobody is trying to kill Biden, it would be pointless.”
What an utter cnut.
Stop using X
Stop buying Tesla cars
Stop using StarLink.Send the cunt broke. It’s the on;y way to stop him.
Space Karen has stated that he’s going to remove the block & mute options on Twitter in December, and that’s when I’ll be deactivating my account. The barbarians will have won.
I decided some time ago to never get a Tesla as well.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Following on from his tweet asking why no-one has tried to assassinate Harris.https://x.com/i/status/1843447400528261540
Elon & Tucker having a good laugh in new interview: “Nobody has even bothered to kill Kamala because it’s pointless. Ha, ha, ha. What do you achieve? Nothing, you just bought another puppet Nobody is trying to kill Biden, it would be pointless.”
What an utter cnut.
Stop using X
Stop buying Tesla cars
Stop using StarLink.Send the cunt broke. It’s the on;y way to stop him.
Space Karen has stated that he’s going to remove the block & mute options on Twitter in December, and that’s when I’ll be deactivating my account. The barbarians will have won.
I decided some time ago to never get a Tesla as well.
If Brazil can cause Musk to concede, what about other countries?
roughbarked said:
If Brazil can cause Musk to concede, what about other countries?
Nice work Brazil.
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esselte said:
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Heh.
Bubblecar said:
esselte said:
A few months ago
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Heh.
luckily aircraft don’t need roads
esselte said:
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Ha!
What’s a PAC?
DJT’s superpower is inspiring loyalty in those to whom he shows no loyalty.
Michael V said:
esselte said:
A few months ago
A few weeks ago
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Ha!
What’s a PAC?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
dv said:
DJT’s superpower is inspiring loyalty in those to whom he shows no loyalty.
Presumably Musk is working on the basis that he will be able to deal directly with Vance soon enough after the election if Trump wins.
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Dark Orange said:
Three days ago:
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Don’t Worry The Tariffs Will Fix This
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
Three days ago:
Today:
Don’t Worry The Tariffs Will Fix This
Some people in the USA believe it is real snake oil.
dv said:
Michael V said:
esselte said:
A few months ago
A few weeks ago
Yesterday
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Ha!
What’s a PAC?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
Thanks.
Elon Musk’s vision of robotaxis and humanoid robots triggers a $99.6 billion sell-off
Stephen Bartholomeusz
Senior business columnist
October 14, 2024 — 12.29pm
Earlier this year Elon Musk said that anybody who didn’t believe Tesla was going to solve autonomy shouldn’t be an investor in Tesla. After last week’s much-hyped Robotaxi event, it seems a large number of investors took his advice.
The (very) late Thursday evening event in a film studio outside Los Angeles precipitated a nasty selloff of Tesla’s shares, which fell 8.8 per cent on Friday and wiped out $US67 billion ($99.6 billion) of market capitalisation.
Those at the presentation complained of a lack of detail, rubbery timelines and the absence of a business model for Musk’s planned fleet of what he calls “cybertaxis”.
Musk himself said that the two-seater vehicles, without steering wheels or pedals, would be available for less than $US30,000 and would probably be in production by the end of 2026, subject to regulatory approvals.
There was, however, a caveat around the timelines.
“Probably, well, I tend to be a little optimistic with timeframes, but in 2026. Before 2027, let me put it that way,” he said.
Given that he first started talking about fully autonomous vehicles in 2016, saying a fully autonomous Tesla would be driving from Los Angeles to New York in 2017, and forecast in 2019 that there’d be a million of them on the roads by 2020, Musk tends to be more than “a little optimistic”.
Musk’s vision of a fleet of driverless robotaxis, which vehicle owners could use to earn money while they sleep – described by him as a blend of Airbnb and Uber – is crucial to Tesla’s future and its current sharemarket value.
If Tesla were valued solely as a carmaker, its shares would not (still) be trading at more than 100 times its earnings.
To understand the value the market assigns to it, the company must be viewed as an artificial intelligence firm, with AI serving as its competitive advantage against rivals like Google’s Waymo, which already has driverless cars operating in major US cities using costly sensors.
Musk has said that, if Tesla can solve autonomy, it would be a $US30 trillion company. After Friday’s plunge in its share price, it is a $US696 billion company.
If autonomous vehicles could be directed by software rather than the mix of expensive hardware and software used by Waymo and others, they’d be far cheaper to make and operate, which is why an AI solution for autonomous driving would transform Tesla’s prospects and validate its valuation.
Musk amplified the focus on robotaxis and Tesla’s humanoid Optimus robot after announcing disappointing earnings earlier this year and amid reports that it had abandoned plans to add a cheaper $US25,000 Model 2 vehicle to its range. There was no update on Model 2 at the event, with the cybertaxis apparently having been awarded priority within Musk’s planning.
At last week’s briefing, despite Musk’s optimism, the disappointed reactions from analysts and investors suggest they believe that a Tesla robotaxi rollout is still far off. The demonstration was limited to a slow, short drive around an enclosed, challenge-free studio set.
Tesla currently sells software that it calls “Full Self-Driving, (supervised)” or FSD, which still requires the driver to be alert and able to take manual control of the vehicle, with hands supposed to be always on the steering wheel.
Musk said on Thursday that he expects owners of the existing Model 3 and Model Y cars will no longer have to supervise their operation – the cars will be able to drive themselves – sometime next year. The original target date for fully autonomous vehicles was August 2018.
That expectation of a launch next year, however, also came with a caveat because it would require regulatory approval.
Regulators in the US, after numerous accidents involving semiautonomous vehicles – including a number of fatalities – are understandably cautious about the prospect of large numbers of vehicles roaming their streets with their drivers potentially asleep behind the wheel or, if the robotaxis are ever rolled out, without drivers or steering wheels.
It could be years before there is anything more than tightly controlled experiments with driverless vehicles and potentially decades before there are the scale and efficiencies for robotaxi production and operation to be profitable.
It was Musk’s unwillingness or inability to provide the detail to address some of the major question marks over the timelines he presented – and the fact that the much-hyped event turned out to be more marketing sizzle than business meat – that caused some investors to dump the shares on Friday.
Along with the centrepiece of the event, the cybertaxi, Tesla also produced an updated version of its humanoid robot, Optimus.
Those robots, which Musk said would be “the biggest product ever of any kind”, mingled with guests and poured drinks at the presentation but, it appears, were not operating autonomously but had a significant level of human supervision and control. He talked about a future where personal robots would do the grocery shopping or mow lawns. A less ambitious, but more obvious, use for the robots would be in factories.
Thus, it would seem, that the other foundation for Musk’s $US30 trillion valuation is also some way off achieving the vision he has for it.
It is those robotaxis and humanoid robots, rather than its more conventional EVs, that underpin its existing market value, which may be a very long way off $US30 trillion but still capitalises a lot of Musk’s visions.
Beyond the challenges with AI, Musk and Tesla face another hurdle: as global growth in electric vehicles slows and excess production – especially in China – drives prices down, Tesla’s EV market share is under pressure. This, in turn, impacts the cash and profits it needs to invest in AI and the development of driverless vehicles.
Competitors like Google, GM and China’s Baidu have also stolen a lead in actually getting fully autonomous vehicles on the roads – Waymo’s fleet, which has been operating for years, is now notching up more than 100,000 rides a week, albeit in quite discrete, heavily mapped and geo-fenced urban areas.
Tesla needs a technology-based breakthrough to leap over them, hence the focus on AI. But apart from the challenges presented by trying to develop the extraordinarily complex software in its cars, it has to convince risk-averse regulators and ultimately equally risk-conscious passengers that its technology is safe.
Musk’s failure to convince his investors and analysts that he has the answers to those challenges at his glitzy event last week turned out to be costly.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/elon-musk-s-vision-of-robotaxis-and-humanoid-robots-triggers-a-99-6-billion-sell-off-20241014-p5khzp.html?
Critics say Tesla’s system doesn’t have proper sensors
They have said that Tesla’s system, which uses only cameras to spot hazards, doesn’t have proper sensors to be fully self driving. Nearly all other companies working on autonomous vehicles use radar and laser sensors in addition to cameras to see better in the dark or poor visibility conditions.
Mr Musk has said that humans drive with only eyesight, so cars should be able to drive with just cameras. He has called lidar (light detection and ranging), which uses lasers to detect objects, a “fool’s errand.”
roughbarked said:
Critics say Tesla’s system doesn’t have proper sensors
They have said that Tesla’s system, which uses only cameras to spot hazards, doesn’t have proper sensors to be fully self driving. Nearly all other companies working on autonomous vehicles use radar and laser sensors in addition to cameras to see better in the dark or poor visibility conditions.
Mr Musk has said that humans drive with only eyesight, so cars should be able to drive with just cameras. He has called lidar (light detection and ranging), which uses lasers to detect objects, a “fool’s errand.”
wait why make things better when you can limit yourself to the worst
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Critics say Tesla’s system doesn’t have proper sensors
They have said that Tesla’s system, which uses only cameras to spot hazards, doesn’t have proper sensors to be fully self driving. Nearly all other companies working on autonomous vehicles use radar and laser sensors in addition to cameras to see better in the dark or poor visibility conditions.
Mr Musk has said that humans drive with only eyesight, so cars should be able to drive with just cameras. He has called lidar (light detection and ranging), which uses lasers to detect objects, a “fool’s errand.”
wait why make things better when you can limit yourself to the worst
I took notice of the electric cars that sparked electrical fires, in the recent flooding events in the US as the water crept into garages where the plugged in cars went up in flames. I am surprised that there wasn’t an automatic cut off switch
monkey skipper said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
Critics say Tesla’s system doesn’t have proper sensors
They have said that Tesla’s system, which uses only cameras to spot hazards, doesn’t have proper sensors to be fully self driving. Nearly all other companies working on autonomous vehicles use radar and laser sensors in addition to cameras to see better in the dark or poor visibility conditions.
Mr Musk has said that humans drive with only eyesight, so cars should be able to drive with just cameras. He has called lidar (light detection and ranging), which uses lasers to detect objects, a “fool’s errand.”
wait why make things better when you can limit yourself to the worst
I took notice of the electric cars that sparked electrical fires, in the recent flooding events in the US as the water crept into garages where the plugged in cars went up in flames. I am surprised that there wasn’t an automatic cut off switch
That’s the issue with high current charging supplies where the delivery rate of electricity when everything is good is similar to the delivery rate of electricity when things are ungood.
I would expect that the not-to-distant future will require fire/smoke detectors hooked up to the charging system.
Dark Orange said:
monkey skipper said:
SCIENCE said:wait why make things better when you can limit yourself to the worst
I took notice of the electric cars that sparked electrical fires, in the recent flooding events in the US as the water crept into garages where the plugged in cars went up in flames. I am surprised that there wasn’t an automatic cut off switch
That’s the issue with high current charging supplies where the delivery rate of electricity when everything is good is similar to the delivery rate of electricity when things are ungood.
I would expect that the not-to-distant future will require fire/smoke detectors hooked up to the charging system.
The washing machine bloke suggested a surge protector microswitch type adapter between the powerpoint and the washing machine. Many times I have to clear it before the power will get to the washing machine. I assume all of those times, could have fried the computer if it hadn’t been fitted.
A New Extreme
Over the past three months, Elon Musk has mobilized his many resources—his exceptional wealth, far-reaching online platform, and time—for a cause that could have profound effects on his personal fortune and American society: electing Donald Trump.
Musk is going all in: In addition to donating $75 million to America PAC, a group he founded that backs Trump, he has also temporarily relocated to the all-important swing state of Pennsylvania to effectively run Trump’s get-out-the-vote strategy from a war room he set up in Pittsburgh. He has stumped on the trail, hosting a Trump town hall in the auditorium of a Pennsylvania high school last week and telling locals to go “hog wild” on voter registration. And, in his latest stunt, he has offered $1 million a day to registered voters in swing states who sign an America PAC petition backing the First and Second Amendments—a move that the Justice Department reportedly said might be breaking election laws. His efforts may prove consequential: As my colleague Franklin Foer wrote this past weekend, “If Trump wins, it will likely be by a narrow margin that can be attributed to turnout. Musk can tout himself as the single variable of success.”
Musk is far from the only major donor in this race. Bill Gates has reportedly given $50 million to Vice President Kamala Harris’s campaign, and various billionaires publicly support Harris or Trump. What distinguishes Musk though, beyond his on-the-ground efforts, is his ownership of X. He can spread information (and disinformation) with ease, and stifle views he doesn’t like, Sophia Rosenfeld, a historian at the University of Pennsylvania, told me in an email. Media owners have always been influential in American politics (Rupert Murdoch, for example, played a prominent role in past elections through his leadership of Fox News). But Rosenfeld noted that Musk’s particular combination of wealth and media control is “unprecedented.”
Musk’s audience is massive on X: His posts, many of which have amplified false and inflammatory rhetoric, get billions of views. Over the weekend he boosted the baseless claim that Michigan had more registered voters than eligible citizens. After Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said that wasn’t true—and that Musk was spreading “dangerous disinformation”—Musk doubled down and accused her of lying to the public. This disinformation had a swift real-world impact: Benson told CBS that her team received harassing messages and threats after Musk’s post. Such rhetoric has the potential to warp how much voters trust election processes. Musk’s America PAC has also been urging people to report examples of “voter fraud” through what it calls the Election Integrity Community on X. Though such fraud remains exceptionally rare, his efforts could further sow distrust in election integrity and lay the groundwork for future claims of a stolen race. (America PAC did not immediately respond to my request for comment.) So prominent is Musk’s role in the MAGA movement that Minnesota Governor Tim Walz joked archly at a recent rally: “I’m going to talk about running mate …. Elon Musk.”
Musk wasn’t always aligned, at least in public, with such zealotry. He reportedly said that Trump was a “stone-cold loser” in 2020, and he supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012. Still, as my colleague Charlie Warzel told me last month, Musk’s feelings of being aggrieved and attacked escalated when he faced pushback from liberals after his Twitter takeover; soon after, he began using X as a megaphone for MAGA. And, though his Trump endorsement seemed out of step with his long-standing image as a climate innovator, it is consistent with his rightward drift: Over the past few years, he has reportedly been quietly donating to Republican causes and candidates, including giving $10 million to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis last year for his ill-fated primary run.
The wealthy have long played an outsize role in politics—but Musk, as he so often does, is venturing to new extremes. If Trump wins, Musk’s gamble may pay off handsomely: In addition to a promised role in Trump’s government, he is poised to receive epic government contracts for his companies. But even if Trump doesn’t win, Musk could set a precedent for uber-rich donors getting more directly involved with political campaigns; that could intensify the “oligarchic side of modern American democracy,” Rosenfeld warned. Though Musk’s hands-on, incendiary campaigning methods are chaotic—and possibly illegal—his efforts during this election may pioneer a model for other megadonors looking to reshape a race.
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‘The Atlantic’ Email Newsletter
USA really is in a mess.
Elon Musk is one of the most powerful people in the world right now. He is the richest human on the planet. A willingness to publicly engage and huge entrepreneurial success have created a billionaire celebrity, with fans and detractors alike. Here, in brief, is at least some of his story- and myth.
One of his daughters letting loose.
Apparently she not a fan.
Spiny Norman said:
One of his daughters letting loose.
Apparently she not a fan.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
One of his daughters letting loose.
Apparently she not a fan.
ah well they’ll all grow out of their teenage rebellious phase soon
Spiny Norman said:
One of his daughters letting loose.
Apparently she not a fan.
One of who’s daughters?
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
One of his daughters letting loose.
Apparently she not a fan.
One of who’s daughters?
Elon’s
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
One of his daughters letting loose.
Apparently she not a fan.
One of who’s daughters?
Elon’s
Yeah, sorry. I thought it was another thread.
I cant wait for a Harris win.
Trump can drown in his alpha males flaws.
Elon will look foolish spending money on a looser.
Tau.Neutrino said:
I cant wait for a Harris win.
Here’s a video produced by “Led by Donkeys” out of the U.K. that puts down the timeline of how Musk used X to get Donald Trump elected. I would save it because I don’t think it will be up for long.
More tension at the ‘Torygraph’:
…
A bit clingy? Trump jokes he ‘can’t get Elon Musk out of Mar-a-Lago’
By Cameron Henderson
November 15, 2024 — 7.30pm
Donald Trump teased Elon Musk that he couldn’t get him to leave Mar-a-Lago following reports the Tesla billionaire had spent days hanging out at the president-elect’s Florida resort.
Speaking at a donor event at the Palm Beach estate, Trump quipped: “He likes this place. I can’t get him out of here. I like him here, too.”
Trump’s comments come amid reports that the world’s richest man has spent the majority of his time at Mar-a-Lago since November 5 joining the Trump transition team for virtually every meeting and sharing many meals with the president-elect.
Although the Twitter (now X) and SpaceX owner briefly went home to his $US35 million ($54 million) mansion in Austin, Texas, The New York Times reported that he returned to Florida on Friday to eat on the Mar-a-Lago patio, roam the gift shop and spend time on the golf course alongside Trump.
Trump aides have grown annoyed by the constant presence of Musk, who is said to have been far more hands-on than even some of his allies had thought, NBC reported.
According to some aides, he has played a more significant role in the transition period than Howard Lutnick and Linda McMahon, the two figures officially appointed to lead the process.
Musk has also sat in with the president-elect during phone calls with a number of world leaders, including Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.
Musk was photographed posing with his son, X, alongside the Trump family on election night and out on the golf course in the days afterwards.
Kai Trump, the president-elect’s 17-year-old niece, captioned the latter photo: “Elon achieving uncle status.” Musk later responded to a comment on social media by saying: “I’m happy to be the first buddy!”
The president-elect announced on Tuesday that Musk would head up a department of government efficiency asked to strip back government spending.
Trump’s comments about Musk came during a summit of the Conservative Political Action Conference, where he was joined by Argentine President Javier Milei.
The Telegraph, London
https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/a-bit-clingy-trump-jokes-he-can-t-get-elon-musk-out-of-mar-a-lago-20241115-p5kr22.html
Dark Orange said:
but why is the fact that people use things more after they’ve purchased them, significant
dv said:
Why do you even bother reposting this trash here?
They are done. Screwed. Fucked. We can only sit back sand marvel sat their rapid decline.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Why do you even bother reposting this trash here?
They are done. Screwed. Fucked. We can only sit back sand marvel sat their rapid decline.
I thought Gaetz withdrew from consideration, so it’s old news…
furious said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Why do you even bother reposting this trash here?
They are done. Screwed. Fucked. We can only sit back sand marvel sat their rapid decline.
I thought Gaetz withdrew from consideration, so it’s old news…
Did he? I haven’t been following the furore over each appointment.
furious said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Why do you even bother reposting this trash here?
They are done. Screwed. Fucked. We can only sit back sand marvel sat their rapid decline.
I thought Gaetz withdrew from consideration, so it’s old news…
It is enduring evidence of the level of judgment of EM
dv said:
furious said:
party_pants said:Why do you even bother reposting this trash here?
They are done. Screwed. Fucked. We can only sit back sand marvel sat their rapid decline.
I thought Gaetz withdrew from consideration, so it’s old news…
It is enduring evidence of the level of judgment of EM
I wasn’t aware that Judge Dredd was so well known in the US
dv said:
furious said:
party_pants said:
Why do you even bother reposting this trash here?
They are done. Screwed. Fucked. We can only sit back sand marvel sat their rapid decline.
I thought Gaetz withdrew from consideration, so it’s old news…
It is enduring evidence of the level of judgment of EM
a spine of Сталин then, fine
Neophyte said:
dv said:
furious said:I thought Gaetz withdrew from consideration, so it’s old news…
It is enduring evidence of the level of judgment of EM
I wasn’t aware that Judge Dredd was so well known in the US
Hollywood has made, at least, two Judge Dredd movies…
Elon Musk is Donald Trump’s disrupter-in-chief
The entrepreneur will be let loose on America’s government
November 23rd 2024
In 2017 Elon Musk branded Donald Trump a “con man” and “one of the world’s best bullshitters”. Now he is known at Mar-a-Lago as Uncle Elon and is in the president-elect’s inner circle. This week they watched a rocket launch together. The alliance of the world’s leading politician and its richest man creates a concentration of power both want to use to explosive effect: to slash bureaucracy, detonate liberal orthodoxies and deregulate in the name of growth.
Mr Trump has a mandate for such disruption. Despite America’s economic prowess, much of Main Street, Wall Street and Silicon Valley is frustrated by government profligacy and incompetence. They are right to be. The state needs an overhaul. Yet Musk-led reform risks creating a new problem for America: the emergence of a combustible, corrupt oligarchy.
Weeks after helping Mr Trump win the election Mr Musk has climbed to the apex of power. The president-elect has appointed him to a new advisory body, called doge, tasked with slashing spending. Mr Musk is already in touch with foreign leaders and lobbying for cabinet appointments. It is hardly the first time a tycoon has had extraordinary influence in America. In the 19th century robber barons such as John D. Rockefeller dominated the economy. In the early 20th century, when there was no Federal Reserve, John Pierpont Morgan acted as a one-man central bank.
Mr Musk’s firms are more global than the big 19th- and 20th-century monopolies, and smaller if measured by profits to GDP. Musk Inc is worth the equivalent of just 2% of America’s stockmarket. Its main units are Tesla, an electric-car firm; SpaceX, his satellite-communications and rocket business; X, formerly Twitter; and xAI, an artificial-intelligence startup that was valued at $50bn in a deal this week. These mostly have market shares below 30% and face real competition. The Economist reckons that 10% of Mr Musk’s $360bn personal fortune is derived from contracts and freebies from Uncle Sam, and 15% from the Chinese market, with the rest split between domestic and international customers.
Mr Musk is also different because he is a disrupter. Rather than exploiting monopolies to raise prices, or creating a stable banking system as the foundation for finance, most of Musk Inc uses technology to slash costs in competitive markets. This disruption is central to Mr Musk’s messianic ideology, in which innovation conquers humanity’s intractable challenges from climate change to colonising Mars. Realising these distant goals depends on a genius for constantly rethinking industrial processes. His desire for freer action helps explain his contempt for orthodoxies, including what he regards as woke conformism. From the bureaucrats who allowed the American government’s space-launch market to be rigged by defence firms to the Californian box-tickers who regulate Tesla’s factories, he views the state as an impediment to growth.
Both Mr Trump and Mr Musk want to disrupt the entire federal government. Mr Musk has said DOGE may aim to cut as much as $2trn from the $7trn annual federal budget and abolish many agencies. It is easy to ridicule such goals as naive—$2trn is more than the government’s entire discretionary spending. But with a budget deficit of 6% of GDP and debt of almost 100%, reform is needed. The creaking Pentagon machine is struggling to adapt to the age of drones and AI. Lobbying by incumbent firms helps explain why federal regulations have reached 90,000 pages, near an all-time high. Even if Mr Musk achieved only a fraction of his liberalisation, America could have much to gain.
What, though, are the dangers? One is cronyism and graft. The president-elect is an economic nationalist and the industries Mr Musk has interests in have become strategic, thanks to rivalry with China, the militarisation of space and cross-border disinformation wars. Proximity to power could let him skew regulations and tariffs and hobble competitors in fields from cars and cryptocurrency to autonomous vehicles and AI. Since the start of September the total value of Musk Inc’s businesses has risen by 50% to $1.4trn, far outperforming the market and its peers, as investors bet that its boss will be able to extract exceptional rents from his friendship with the president.
At the same time Mr Musk could bungle, especially when he is outside his areas of expertise. He has shown erratic judgment in foreign affairs, by micromanaging the use of the Starlink satellite service in Ukraine and comparing Taiwan’s status to Hawaii’s. His love of the limelight and conspiracies, and of the swirl of social media, are worrying. With $50bn of his personal wealth tied up in China, which hosts half of Tesla’s production, he is an obvious target for manipulation.
He could also fail before he even starts, because of the combustibility of the Trump-Musk combination. The next president loves hiring and firing. The tech tycoon burns through executives and relationships, too. The fusion of Silicon Valley libertarianism and techno-utopianism with the maga nationalism of Mr Trump’s world is inherently volatile. Reforming government requires patience and diplomacy, neither of them Mr Musk’s strong suits.
On another planet
If Mr Musk’s political career proves to be brief, it could still have two lasting, pernicious effects. One would be to turn politicians away from reforming government. With his appointment, that goal has received more attention than ever. But if he mounts a half-baked programme that ends in spectacular failure, the ambition to tackle spending will be set back for years.
The other effect would be to normalise collusion between politicians and tycoons. As the state expands into trade, industrial policy and technology, the incentives for state capture are growing. At the same time, Mr Trump’s method involves weakening institutions and practices supposed to guard against conflicts of interest. America is a long way from behaving like an emerging market. But if oligarchic business titans habitually worked with dominant politicians, it would suffer great harm. That used to be unthinkable; no longer.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/11/21/the-opportunities-and-dangers-for-trumps-disrupter-in-chief?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk is Donald Trump’s disrupter-in-chief
The entrepreneur will be let loose on America’s governmentNovember 23rd 2024
In 2017 Elon Musk branded Donald Trump a “con man” and “one of the world’s best bullshitters”. Now he is known at Mar-a-Lago as Uncle Elon and is in the president-elect’s inner circle. This week they watched a rocket launch together. The alliance of the world’s leading politician and its richest man creates a concentration of power both want to use to explosive effect: to slash bureaucracy, detonate liberal orthodoxies and deregulate in the name of growth.
Mr Trump has a mandate for such disruption. Despite America’s economic prowess, much of Main Street, Wall Street and Silicon Valley is frustrated by government profligacy and incompetence. They are right to be. The state needs an overhaul. Yet Musk-led reform risks creating a new problem for America: the emergence of a combustible, corrupt oligarchy.
Weeks after helping Mr Trump win the election Mr Musk has climbed to the apex of power. The president-elect has appointed him to a new advisory body, called doge, tasked with slashing spending. Mr Musk is already in touch with foreign leaders and lobbying for cabinet appointments. It is hardly the first time a tycoon has had extraordinary influence in America. In the 19th century robber barons such as John D. Rockefeller dominated the economy. In the early 20th century, when there was no Federal Reserve, John Pierpont Morgan acted as a one-man central bank.
Mr Musk’s firms are more global than the big 19th- and 20th-century monopolies, and smaller if measured by profits to GDP. Musk Inc is worth the equivalent of just 2% of America’s stockmarket. Its main units are Tesla, an electric-car firm; SpaceX, his satellite-communications and rocket business; X, formerly Twitter; and xAI, an artificial-intelligence startup that was valued at $50bn in a deal this week. These mostly have market shares below 30% and face real competition. The Economist reckons that 10% of Mr Musk’s $360bn personal fortune is derived from contracts and freebies from Uncle Sam, and 15% from the Chinese market, with the rest split between domestic and international customers.
Mr Musk is also different because he is a disrupter. Rather than exploiting monopolies to raise prices, or creating a stable banking system as the foundation for finance, most of Musk Inc uses technology to slash costs in competitive markets. This disruption is central to Mr Musk’s messianic ideology, in which innovation conquers humanity’s intractable challenges from climate change to colonising Mars. Realising these distant goals depends on a genius for constantly rethinking industrial processes. His desire for freer action helps explain his contempt for orthodoxies, including what he regards as woke conformism. From the bureaucrats who allowed the American government’s space-launch market to be rigged by defence firms to the Californian box-tickers who regulate Tesla’s factories, he views the state as an impediment to growth.
Both Mr Trump and Mr Musk want to disrupt the entire federal government. Mr Musk has said DOGE may aim to cut as much as $2trn from the $7trn annual federal budget and abolish many agencies. It is easy to ridicule such goals as naive—$2trn is more than the government’s entire discretionary spending. But with a budget deficit of 6% of GDP and debt of almost 100%, reform is needed. The creaking Pentagon machine is struggling to adapt to the age of drones and AI. Lobbying by incumbent firms helps explain why federal regulations have reached 90,000 pages, near an all-time high. Even if Mr Musk achieved only a fraction of his liberalisation, America could have much to gain.
What, though, are the dangers? One is cronyism and graft. The president-elect is an economic nationalist and the industries Mr Musk has interests in have become strategic, thanks to rivalry with China, the militarisation of space and cross-border disinformation wars. Proximity to power could let him skew regulations and tariffs and hobble competitors in fields from cars and cryptocurrency to autonomous vehicles and AI. Since the start of September the total value of Musk Inc’s businesses has risen by 50% to $1.4trn, far outperforming the market and its peers, as investors bet that its boss will be able to extract exceptional rents from his friendship with the president.
At the same time Mr Musk could bungle, especially when he is outside his areas of expertise. He has shown erratic judgment in foreign affairs, by micromanaging the use of the Starlink satellite service in Ukraine and comparing Taiwan’s status to Hawaii’s. His love of the limelight and conspiracies, and of the swirl of social media, are worrying. With $50bn of his personal wealth tied up in China, which hosts half of Tesla’s production, he is an obvious target for manipulation.
He could also fail before he even starts, because of the combustibility of the Trump-Musk combination. The next president loves hiring and firing. The tech tycoon burns through executives and relationships, too. The fusion of Silicon Valley libertarianism and techno-utopianism with the maga nationalism of Mr Trump’s world is inherently volatile. Reforming government requires patience and diplomacy, neither of them Mr Musk’s strong suits.
On another planet
If Mr Musk’s political career proves to be brief, it could still have two lasting, pernicious effects. One would be to turn politicians away from reforming government. With his appointment, that goal has received more attention than ever. But if he mounts a half-baked programme that ends in spectacular failure, the ambition to tackle spending will be set back for years.The other effect would be to normalise collusion between politicians and tycoons. As the state expands into trade, industrial policy and technology, the incentives for state capture are growing. At the same time, Mr Trump’s method involves weakening institutions and practices supposed to guard against conflicts of interest. America is a long way from behaving like an emerging market. But if oligarchic business titans habitually worked with dominant politicians, it would suffer great harm. That used to be unthinkable; no longer.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/11/21/the-opportunities-and-dangers-for-trumps-disrupter-in-chief?
Musk is a double-agent within the Trump camp. He is not there to implement Trump’s agenda.
He is really there to look after the interests of Elon Musk.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk is Donald Trump’s disrupter-in-chief
The entrepreneur will be let loose on America’s governmentNovember 23rd 2024
In 2017 Elon Musk branded Donald Trump a “con man” and “one of the world’s best bullshitters”. Now he is known at Mar-a-Lago as Uncle Elon and is in the president-elect’s inner circle. This week they watched a rocket launch together. The alliance of the world’s leading politician and its richest man creates a concentration of power both want to use to explosive effect: to slash bureaucracy, detonate liberal orthodoxies and deregulate in the name of growth.
Mr Trump has a mandate for such disruption. Despite America’s economic prowess, much of Main Street, Wall Street and Silicon Valley is frustrated by government profligacy and incompetence. They are right to be. The state needs an overhaul. Yet Musk-led reform risks creating a new problem for America: the emergence of a combustible, corrupt oligarchy.
Weeks after helping Mr Trump win the election Mr Musk has climbed to the apex of power. The president-elect has appointed him to a new advisory body, called doge, tasked with slashing spending. Mr Musk is already in touch with foreign leaders and lobbying for cabinet appointments. It is hardly the first time a tycoon has had extraordinary influence in America. In the 19th century robber barons such as John D. Rockefeller dominated the economy. In the early 20th century, when there was no Federal Reserve, John Pierpont Morgan acted as a one-man central bank.
Mr Musk’s firms are more global than the big 19th- and 20th-century monopolies, and smaller if measured by profits to GDP. Musk Inc is worth the equivalent of just 2% of America’s stockmarket. Its main units are Tesla, an electric-car firm; SpaceX, his satellite-communications and rocket business; X, formerly Twitter; and xAI, an artificial-intelligence startup that was valued at $50bn in a deal this week. These mostly have market shares below 30% and face real competition. The Economist reckons that 10% of Mr Musk’s $360bn personal fortune is derived from contracts and freebies from Uncle Sam, and 15% from the Chinese market, with the rest split between domestic and international customers.
Mr Musk is also different because he is a disrupter. Rather than exploiting monopolies to raise prices, or creating a stable banking system as the foundation for finance, most of Musk Inc uses technology to slash costs in competitive markets. This disruption is central to Mr Musk’s messianic ideology, in which innovation conquers humanity’s intractable challenges from climate change to colonising Mars. Realising these distant goals depends on a genius for constantly rethinking industrial processes. His desire for freer action helps explain his contempt for orthodoxies, including what he regards as woke conformism. From the bureaucrats who allowed the American government’s space-launch market to be rigged by defence firms to the Californian box-tickers who regulate Tesla’s factories, he views the state as an impediment to growth.
Both Mr Trump and Mr Musk want to disrupt the entire federal government. Mr Musk has said DOGE may aim to cut as much as $2trn from the $7trn annual federal budget and abolish many agencies. It is easy to ridicule such goals as naive—$2trn is more than the government’s entire discretionary spending. But with a budget deficit of 6% of GDP and debt of almost 100%, reform is needed. The creaking Pentagon machine is struggling to adapt to the age of drones and AI. Lobbying by incumbent firms helps explain why federal regulations have reached 90,000 pages, near an all-time high. Even if Mr Musk achieved only a fraction of his liberalisation, America could have much to gain.
What, though, are the dangers? One is cronyism and graft. The president-elect is an economic nationalist and the industries Mr Musk has interests in have become strategic, thanks to rivalry with China, the militarisation of space and cross-border disinformation wars. Proximity to power could let him skew regulations and tariffs and hobble competitors in fields from cars and cryptocurrency to autonomous vehicles and AI. Since the start of September the total value of Musk Inc’s businesses has risen by 50% to $1.4trn, far outperforming the market and its peers, as investors bet that its boss will be able to extract exceptional rents from his friendship with the president.
At the same time Mr Musk could bungle, especially when he is outside his areas of expertise. He has shown erratic judgment in foreign affairs, by micromanaging the use of the Starlink satellite service in Ukraine and comparing Taiwan’s status to Hawaii’s. His love of the limelight and conspiracies, and of the swirl of social media, are worrying. With $50bn of his personal wealth tied up in China, which hosts half of Tesla’s production, he is an obvious target for manipulation.
He could also fail before he even starts, because of the combustibility of the Trump-Musk combination. The next president loves hiring and firing. The tech tycoon burns through executives and relationships, too. The fusion of Silicon Valley libertarianism and techno-utopianism with the maga nationalism of Mr Trump’s world is inherently volatile. Reforming government requires patience and diplomacy, neither of them Mr Musk’s strong suits.
On another planet
If Mr Musk’s political career proves to be brief, it could still have two lasting, pernicious effects. One would be to turn politicians away from reforming government. With his appointment, that goal has received more attention than ever. But if he mounts a half-baked programme that ends in spectacular failure, the ambition to tackle spending will be set back for years.The other effect would be to normalise collusion between politicians and tycoons. As the state expands into trade, industrial policy and technology, the incentives for state capture are growing. At the same time, Mr Trump’s method involves weakening institutions and practices supposed to guard against conflicts of interest. America is a long way from behaving like an emerging market. But if oligarchic business titans habitually worked with dominant politicians, it would suffer great harm. That used to be unthinkable; no longer.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/11/21/the-opportunities-and-dangers-for-trumps-disrupter-in-chief?
Musk is a double-agent within the Trump camp. He is not there to implement Trump’s agenda.
He is really there to look after the interests of Elon Musk.
Aye,
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk is Donald Trump’s disrupter-in-chief
The entrepreneur will be let loose on America’s governmentNovember 23rd 2024
In 2017 Elon Musk branded Donald Trump a “con man” and “one of the world’s best bullshitters”. Now he is known at Mar-a-Lago as Uncle Elon and is in the president-elect’s inner circle. This week they watched a rocket launch together. The alliance of the world’s leading politician and its richest man creates a concentration of power both want to use to explosive effect: to slash bureaucracy, detonate liberal orthodoxies and deregulate in the name of growth.
Mr Trump has a mandate for such disruption. Despite America’s economic prowess, much of Main Street, Wall Street and Silicon Valley is frustrated by government profligacy and incompetence. They are right to be. The state needs an overhaul. Yet Musk-led reform risks creating a new problem for America: the emergence of a combustible, corrupt oligarchy.
Weeks after helping Mr Trump win the election Mr Musk has climbed to the apex of power. The president-elect has appointed him to a new advisory body, called doge, tasked with slashing spending. Mr Musk is already in touch with foreign leaders and lobbying for cabinet appointments. It is hardly the first time a tycoon has had extraordinary influence in America. In the 19th century robber barons such as John D. Rockefeller dominated the economy. In the early 20th century, when there was no Federal Reserve, John Pierpont Morgan acted as a one-man central bank.
Mr Musk’s firms are more global than the big 19th- and 20th-century monopolies, and smaller if measured by profits to GDP. Musk Inc is worth the equivalent of just 2% of America’s stockmarket. Its main units are Tesla, an electric-car firm; SpaceX, his satellite-communications and rocket business; X, formerly Twitter; and xAI, an artificial-intelligence startup that was valued at $50bn in a deal this week. These mostly have market shares below 30% and face real competition. The Economist reckons that 10% of Mr Musk’s $360bn personal fortune is derived from contracts and freebies from Uncle Sam, and 15% from the Chinese market, with the rest split between domestic and international customers.
Mr Musk is also different because he is a disrupter. Rather than exploiting monopolies to raise prices, or creating a stable banking system as the foundation for finance, most of Musk Inc uses technology to slash costs in competitive markets. This disruption is central to Mr Musk’s messianic ideology, in which innovation conquers humanity’s intractable challenges from climate change to colonising Mars. Realising these distant goals depends on a genius for constantly rethinking industrial processes. His desire for freer action helps explain his contempt for orthodoxies, including what he regards as woke conformism. From the bureaucrats who allowed the American government’s space-launch market to be rigged by defence firms to the Californian box-tickers who regulate Tesla’s factories, he views the state as an impediment to growth.
Both Mr Trump and Mr Musk want to disrupt the entire federal government. Mr Musk has said DOGE may aim to cut as much as $2trn from the $7trn annual federal budget and abolish many agencies. It is easy to ridicule such goals as naive—$2trn is more than the government’s entire discretionary spending. But with a budget deficit of 6% of GDP and debt of almost 100%, reform is needed. The creaking Pentagon machine is struggling to adapt to the age of drones and AI. Lobbying by incumbent firms helps explain why federal regulations have reached 90,000 pages, near an all-time high. Even if Mr Musk achieved only a fraction of his liberalisation, America could have much to gain.
What, though, are the dangers? One is cronyism and graft. The president-elect is an economic nationalist and the industries Mr Musk has interests in have become strategic, thanks to rivalry with China, the militarisation of space and cross-border disinformation wars. Proximity to power could let him skew regulations and tariffs and hobble competitors in fields from cars and cryptocurrency to autonomous vehicles and AI. Since the start of September the total value of Musk Inc’s businesses has risen by 50% to $1.4trn, far outperforming the market and its peers, as investors bet that its boss will be able to extract exceptional rents from his friendship with the president.
At the same time Mr Musk could bungle, especially when he is outside his areas of expertise. He has shown erratic judgment in foreign affairs, by micromanaging the use of the Starlink satellite service in Ukraine and comparing Taiwan’s status to Hawaii’s. His love of the limelight and conspiracies, and of the swirl of social media, are worrying. With $50bn of his personal wealth tied up in China, which hosts half of Tesla’s production, he is an obvious target for manipulation.
He could also fail before he even starts, because of the combustibility of the Trump-Musk combination. The next president loves hiring and firing. The tech tycoon burns through executives and relationships, too. The fusion of Silicon Valley libertarianism and techno-utopianism with the maga nationalism of Mr Trump’s world is inherently volatile. Reforming government requires patience and diplomacy, neither of them Mr Musk’s strong suits.
On another planet
If Mr Musk’s political career proves to be brief, it could still have two lasting, pernicious effects. One would be to turn politicians away from reforming government. With his appointment, that goal has received more attention than ever. But if he mounts a half-baked programme that ends in spectacular failure, the ambition to tackle spending will be set back for years.The other effect would be to normalise collusion between politicians and tycoons. As the state expands into trade, industrial policy and technology, the incentives for state capture are growing. At the same time, Mr Trump’s method involves weakening institutions and practices supposed to guard against conflicts of interest. America is a long way from behaving like an emerging market. But if oligarchic business titans habitually worked with dominant politicians, it would suffer great harm. That used to be unthinkable; no longer.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/11/21/the-opportunities-and-dangers-for-trumps-disrupter-in-chief?
Musk is a double-agent within the Trump camp. He is not there to implement Trump’s agenda.
He is really there to look after the interests of Elon Musk.
Yes.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk is Donald Trump’s disrupter-in-chief
The entrepreneur will be let loose on America’s governmentNovember 23rd 2024
In 2017 Elon Musk branded Donald Trump a “con man” and “one of the world’s best bullshitters”. Now he is known at Mar-a-Lago as Uncle Elon and is in the president-elect’s inner circle. This week they watched a rocket launch together. The alliance of the world’s leading politician and its richest man creates a concentration of power both want to use to explosive effect: to slash bureaucracy, detonate liberal orthodoxies and deregulate in the name of growth.
Mr Trump has a mandate for such disruption. Despite America’s economic prowess, much of Main Street, Wall Street and Silicon Valley is frustrated by government profligacy and incompetence. They are right to be. The state needs an overhaul. Yet Musk-led reform risks creating a new problem for America: the emergence of a combustible, corrupt oligarchy.
Weeks after helping Mr Trump win the election Mr Musk has climbed to the apex of power. The president-elect has appointed him to a new advisory body, called doge, tasked with slashing spending. Mr Musk is already in touch with foreign leaders and lobbying for cabinet appointments. It is hardly the first time a tycoon has had extraordinary influence in America. In the 19th century robber barons such as John D. Rockefeller dominated the economy. In the early 20th century, when there was no Federal Reserve, John Pierpont Morgan acted as a one-man central bank.
Mr Musk’s firms are more global than the big 19th- and 20th-century monopolies, and smaller if measured by profits to GDP. Musk Inc is worth the equivalent of just 2% of America’s stockmarket. Its main units are Tesla, an electric-car firm; SpaceX, his satellite-communications and rocket business; X, formerly Twitter; and xAI, an artificial-intelligence startup that was valued at $50bn in a deal this week. These mostly have market shares below 30% and face real competition. The Economist reckons that 10% of Mr Musk’s $360bn personal fortune is derived from contracts and freebies from Uncle Sam, and 15% from the Chinese market, with the rest split between domestic and international customers.
Mr Musk is also different because he is a disrupter. Rather than exploiting monopolies to raise prices, or creating a stable banking system as the foundation for finance, most of Musk Inc uses technology to slash costs in competitive markets. This disruption is central to Mr Musk’s messianic ideology, in which innovation conquers humanity’s intractable challenges from climate change to colonising Mars. Realising these distant goals depends on a genius for constantly rethinking industrial processes. His desire for freer action helps explain his contempt for orthodoxies, including what he regards as woke conformism. From the bureaucrats who allowed the American government’s space-launch market to be rigged by defence firms to the Californian box-tickers who regulate Tesla’s factories, he views the state as an impediment to growth.
Both Mr Trump and Mr Musk want to disrupt the entire federal government. Mr Musk has said DOGE may aim to cut as much as $2trn from the $7trn annual federal budget and abolish many agencies. It is easy to ridicule such goals as naive—$2trn is more than the government’s entire discretionary spending. But with a budget deficit of 6% of GDP and debt of almost 100%, reform is needed. The creaking Pentagon machine is struggling to adapt to the age of drones and AI. Lobbying by incumbent firms helps explain why federal regulations have reached 90,000 pages, near an all-time high. Even if Mr Musk achieved only a fraction of his liberalisation, America could have much to gain.
What, though, are the dangers? One is cronyism and graft. The president-elect is an economic nationalist and the industries Mr Musk has interests in have become strategic, thanks to rivalry with China, the militarisation of space and cross-border disinformation wars. Proximity to power could let him skew regulations and tariffs and hobble competitors in fields from cars and cryptocurrency to autonomous vehicles and AI. Since the start of September the total value of Musk Inc’s businesses has risen by 50% to $1.4trn, far outperforming the market and its peers, as investors bet that its boss will be able to extract exceptional rents from his friendship with the president.
At the same time Mr Musk could bungle, especially when he is outside his areas of expertise. He has shown erratic judgment in foreign affairs, by micromanaging the use of the Starlink satellite service in Ukraine and comparing Taiwan’s status to Hawaii’s. His love of the limelight and conspiracies, and of the swirl of social media, are worrying. With $50bn of his personal wealth tied up in China, which hosts half of Tesla’s production, he is an obvious target for manipulation.
He could also fail before he even starts, because of the combustibility of the Trump-Musk combination. The next president loves hiring and firing. The tech tycoon burns through executives and relationships, too. The fusion of Silicon Valley libertarianism and techno-utopianism with the maga nationalism of Mr Trump’s world is inherently volatile. Reforming government requires patience and diplomacy, neither of them Mr Musk’s strong suits.
On another planet
If Mr Musk’s political career proves to be brief, it could still have two lasting, pernicious effects. One would be to turn politicians away from reforming government. With his appointment, that goal has received more attention than ever. But if he mounts a half-baked programme that ends in spectacular failure, the ambition to tackle spending will be set back for years.The other effect would be to normalise collusion between politicians and tycoons. As the state expands into trade, industrial policy and technology, the incentives for state capture are growing. At the same time, Mr Trump’s method involves weakening institutions and practices supposed to guard against conflicts of interest. America is a long way from behaving like an emerging market. But if oligarchic business titans habitually worked with dominant politicians, it would suffer great harm. That used to be unthinkable; no longer.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/11/21/the-opportunities-and-dangers-for-trumps-disrupter-in-chief?
Musk is a double-agent within the Trump camp. He is not there to implement Trump’s agenda.
He is really there to look after the interests of Elon Musk.
Yes.
But The Best Economic Outcomes Occur When Everyone Acts In Self Interest And The Rules Are All Removed ¡
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
Musk is a double-agent within the Trump camp. He is not there to implement Trump’s agenda.
He is really there to look after the interests of Elon Musk.
Yes.
But The Best Economic Outcomes Occur When Everyone Acts In Self Interest And The Rules Are All Removed ¡
False
Musk Unleashes Online Army on Federal Workers. ‘A Tough Way to Find Out She’s Losing Her Job.’
As Trump efficiency czar, the billionaire is targeting employees by name on X—sparking pushback
https://www.wsj.com/tech/musk-unleashes-online-army-on-federal-workers-a-tough-way-to-find-out-shes-losing-her-job-f57a2e94
dv said:
Musk Unleashes Online Army on Federal Workers. ‘A Tough Way to Find Out She’s Losing Her Job.’
As Trump efficiency czar, the billionaire is targeting employees by name on X—sparking pushbackhttps://www.wsj.com/tech/musk-unleashes-online-army-on-federal-workers-a-tough-way-to-find-out-shes-losing-her-job-f57a2e94
Paywalled
dv said:
Musk Unleashes Online Army on Federal Workers. ‘A Tough Way to Find Out She’s Losing Her Job.’
As Trump efficiency czar, the billionaire is targeting employees by name on X—sparking pushbackhttps://www.wsj.com/tech/musk-unleashes-online-army-on-federal-workers-a-tough-way-to-find-out-shes-losing-her-job-f57a2e94
Easy way to lose another million or two subscribers.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Musk Unleashes Online Army on Federal Workers. ‘A Tough Way to Find Out She’s Losing Her Job.’
As Trump efficiency czar, the billionaire is targeting employees by name on X—sparking pushbackhttps://www.wsj.com/tech/musk-unleashes-online-army-on-federal-workers-a-tough-way-to-find-out-shes-losing-her-job-f57a2e94
Easy way to lose another million or two subscribers.
+1
As co-director of President-elect Donald Trump’s nascent Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk has wasted no time posting to his 205 million followers on X about specific government departments he views as bloated.
But this week, Musk has escalated from targeting government agencies to singling out individuals—sparking his online army of followers to launch blistering critiques of ordinary federal employees.
One recent post by the billionaire zeroed in on Ashley Thomas, a little-known director of climate diversification at the U.S. International Development Finance Corp., after another user on Musk’s social-media platform X questioned her role.
Musk’s repost—“So many fake jobs”—garnered 32 million views, triggering an avalanche of memes and ridicule from his followers against the employee, such as, “Sorry Ashley Thomas Gravy Train is Over.”
Earlier this month, in a move heralded by many of his supporters, Trump tapped Musk and biotech-company founder Vivek Ramaswamy to spearhead DOGE—sharing its name with a Musk-promoted cryptocurrency—to slash spending, regulations, and restructure federal agencies.
In a Wall Street Journal opinion piece Wednesday, the two men envisioned “mass head-count reductions” across the federal bureaucracy. On Wednesday, Musk shared on X a past TV interview with Milton Friedman in which the economist recommended the elimination of a number of federal agencies, including the departments of education, commerce, agriculture and housing and urban development. “Milton Friedman was the best,” Musk said in apparent agreement.
Ramaswamy in interviews has offered an unusually blunt—and likely impossible to implement—strategy for how to slash the federal workforce: firing those whose Social Security numbers start or end with odd numbers. “Boom. That’s a 75 percent reduction done,” he said on a podcast interview this fall.
Both leaders have since called out numerous instances of alleged government waste on X, soliciting public recommendations for budget cuts.
This week, Musk resumed his controversial practice of calling out individuals—a tactic going back to X’s previous incarnation as Twitter.
In 2021, Musk took aim Mary “Missy” Cummings, a Duke University engineering professor who was appointed to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as a top adviser, and had been critical of Tesla’s advanced driver-assistance system.
After taking over Twitter in 2022, Musk targeted Yoel Roth, the platform’s former head of trust and safety, who had recently left. Musk tweeted, incorrectly, that it looked like Roth had argued “in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services.” Some of the platform’s users interpreted it as Musk calling Roth a pedophile, and they posted calls for Roth’s death. Roth moved out of his house temporarily because of threats, the Journal reported at the time.
Musk’s targets this week included Alexis Pelosi, California Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s relative and a senior climate adviser at the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
But that post also included the names of two obscure federal officials with climate-related jobs—including one who had actually left her job at the Energy Department in August.
“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”
Kelley said Musk is going after the wrong target if he focuses only on federal employees. Kelley said far more is spent by federal contractors such as himself—$750 billion annually compared with about $200 billion for the civilian workforce, one third of which are veterans as he is.
“We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” said Kelley, a former Army sergeant. “The people I represent have been called names like deep state, but they are working people just like you and I.”
The 37-year-old Thomas, the target of Musk’s viral repost, works for a federal agency that partners with private companies to finance ways to improve living standards in developing countries.
With engineering, business and water science degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and University of Oxford, Thomas spent years doing field work in Africa and writing research papers such as one on a technology that can help extract water from air in arid countries, according to her past tweets.
She eventually went to work as the agency’s director of climate diversification in 2023, when federal personnel records show she earned $172,075 a year.
An agency official said the climate diversification portfolio is highly technical and is focused on identifying innovations that serve U.S. strategic interests, including bolstering agriculture and infrastructure against extreme weather events.
Thomas previously had served stints in various small companies and nonprofits, some of which do work in the developing world, according to her online resume.
How does a routine federal employee come to the attention of Musk, the world’s richest man?
The controversy erupted when “datahazard,” an X user whose anti-Biden posts have drawn Musk’s attention, questioned Thomas’s job on Tuesday to nearly 170,000 followers.
Musk’s repost sparked a barrage of taunts, with his followers making jeers such as, “A tough way for Ashley Thomas to find out she’s losing her job.”
Michael Skolnik, a longtime civil rights activist, was among those who fired back at the post. “You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and dangerously targeting a person who works an honest job to provide for their family.”
Neither Musk nor his representatives responded to requests for comment.
A representative of the “datahazard” X account, who didn’t give a name, said it was legitimate to give names of employees like Thomas because she is on a list of senior officials who are public figures. “Taxpayers have a fundamental right to know who runs our government,” this person said via a direct message on X.
LinkedIn and Facebook pages for Thomas, who lives in the Seattle area, were no longer live as of Wednesday.
Write to Jim Carlton at Jim.Carlton@wsj.com and Rebecca Ballhaus at rebecca.ballhaus@wsj.com
AussieDJ said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Musk Unleashes Online Army on Federal Workers. ‘A Tough Way to Find Out She’s Losing Her Job.’
As Trump efficiency czar, the billionaire is targeting employees by name on X—sparking pushbackhttps://www.wsj.com/tech/musk-unleashes-online-army-on-federal-workers-a-tough-way-to-find-out-shes-losing-her-job-f57a2e94
Easy way to lose another million or two subscribers.
+1
already won the election
Bogsnorkler said:
As co-director of President-elect Donald Trump’s nascent Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk has wasted no time posting to his 205 million followers on X about specific government departments he views as bloated.But this week, Musk has escalated from targeting government agencies to singling out individuals—sparking his online army of followers to launch blistering critiques of ordinary federal employees.
One recent post by the billionaire zeroed in on Ashley Thomas, a little-known director of climate diversification at the U.S. International Development Finance Corp., after another user on Musk’s social-media platform X questioned her role.
Musk’s repost—“So many fake jobs”—garnered 32 million views, triggering an avalanche of memes and ridicule from his followers against the employee, such as, “Sorry Ashley Thomas Gravy Train is Over.”
Earlier this month, in a move heralded by many of his supporters, Trump tapped Musk and biotech-company founder Vivek Ramaswamy to spearhead DOGE—sharing its name with a Musk-promoted cryptocurrency—to slash spending, regulations, and restructure federal agencies.In a Wall Street Journal opinion piece Wednesday, the two men envisioned “mass head-count reductions” across the federal bureaucracy. On Wednesday, Musk shared on X a past TV interview with Milton Friedman in which the economist recommended the elimination of a number of federal agencies, including the departments of education, commerce, agriculture and housing and urban development. “Milton Friedman was the best,” Musk said in apparent agreement.
Ramaswamy in interviews has offered an unusually blunt—and likely impossible to implement—strategy for how to slash the federal workforce: firing those whose Social Security numbers start or end with odd numbers. “Boom. That’s a 75 percent reduction done,” he said on a podcast interview this fall.
Both leaders have since called out numerous instances of alleged government waste on X, soliciting public recommendations for budget cuts.
This week, Musk resumed his controversial practice of calling out individuals—a tactic going back to X’s previous incarnation as Twitter.
In 2021, Musk took aim Mary “Missy” Cummings, a Duke University engineering professor who was appointed to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as a top adviser, and had been critical of Tesla’s advanced driver-assistance system.
After taking over Twitter in 2022, Musk targeted Yoel Roth, the platform’s former head of trust and safety, who had recently left. Musk tweeted, incorrectly, that it looked like Roth had argued “in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services.” Some of the platform’s users interpreted it as Musk calling Roth a pedophile, and they posted calls for Roth’s death. Roth moved out of his house temporarily because of threats, the Journal reported at the time.
Musk’s targets this week included Alexis Pelosi, California Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s relative and a senior climate adviser at the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
But that post also included the names of two obscure federal officials with climate-related jobs—including one who had actually left her job at the Energy Department in August.
“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”
Kelley said Musk is going after the wrong target if he focuses only on federal employees. Kelley said far more is spent by federal contractors such as himself—$750 billion annually compared with about $200 billion for the civilian workforce, one third of which are veterans as he is.
“We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” said Kelley, a former Army sergeant. “The people I represent have been called names like deep state, but they are working people just like you and I.”
The 37-year-old Thomas, the target of Musk’s viral repost, works for a federal agency that partners with private companies to finance ways to improve living standards in developing countries.
With engineering, business and water science degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and University of Oxford, Thomas spent years doing field work in Africa and writing research papers such as one on a technology that can help extract water from air in arid countries, according to her past tweets.
She eventually went to work as the agency’s director of climate diversification in 2023, when federal personnel records show she earned $172,075 a year.
An agency official said the climate diversification portfolio is highly technical and is focused on identifying innovations that serve U.S. strategic interests, including bolstering agriculture and infrastructure against extreme weather events.
Thomas previously had served stints in various small companies and nonprofits, some of which do work in the developing world, according to her online resume.
How does a routine federal employee come to the attention of Musk, the world’s richest man?
The controversy erupted when “datahazard,” an X user whose anti-Biden posts have drawn Musk’s attention, questioned Thomas’s job on Tuesday to nearly 170,000 followers.
Musk’s repost sparked a barrage of taunts, with his followers making jeers such as, “A tough way for Ashley Thomas to find out she’s losing her job.”
Michael Skolnik, a longtime civil rights activist, was among those who fired back at the post. “You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and dangerously targeting a person who works an honest job to provide for their family.”
Neither Musk nor his representatives responded to requests for comment.
A representative of the “datahazard” X account, who didn’t give a name, said it was legitimate to give names of employees like Thomas because she is on a list of senior officials who are public figures. “Taxpayers have a fundamental right to know who runs our government,” this person said via a direct message on X.
LinkedIn and Facebook pages for Thomas, who lives in the Seattle area, were no longer live as of Wednesday.
Write to Jim Carlton at Jim.Carlton@wsj.com and Rebecca Ballhaus at rebecca.ballhaus@wsj.com
Thanks.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
As co-director of President-elect Donald Trump’s nascent Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk has wasted no time posting to his 205 million followers on X about specific government departments he views as bloated.But this week, Musk has escalated from targeting government agencies to singling out individuals—sparking his online army of followers to launch blistering critiques of ordinary federal employees.
One recent post by the billionaire zeroed in on Ashley Thomas, a little-known director of climate diversification at the U.S. International Development Finance Corp., after another user on Musk’s social-media platform X questioned her role.
Musk’s repost—“So many fake jobs”—garnered 32 million views, triggering an avalanche of memes and ridicule from his followers against the employee, such as, “Sorry Ashley Thomas Gravy Train is Over.”
Earlier this month, in a move heralded by many of his supporters, Trump tapped Musk and biotech-company founder Vivek Ramaswamy to spearhead DOGE—sharing its name with a Musk-promoted cryptocurrency—to slash spending, regulations, and restructure federal agencies.In a Wall Street Journal opinion piece Wednesday, the two men envisioned “mass head-count reductions” across the federal bureaucracy. On Wednesday, Musk shared on X a past TV interview with Milton Friedman in which the economist recommended the elimination of a number of federal agencies, including the departments of education, commerce, agriculture and housing and urban development. “Milton Friedman was the best,” Musk said in apparent agreement.
Ramaswamy in interviews has offered an unusually blunt—and likely impossible to implement—strategy for how to slash the federal workforce: firing those whose Social Security numbers start or end with odd numbers. “Boom. That’s a 75 percent reduction done,” he said on a podcast interview this fall.
Both leaders have since called out numerous instances of alleged government waste on X, soliciting public recommendations for budget cuts.
This week, Musk resumed his controversial practice of calling out individuals—a tactic going back to X’s previous incarnation as Twitter.
In 2021, Musk took aim Mary “Missy” Cummings, a Duke University engineering professor who was appointed to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as a top adviser, and had been critical of Tesla’s advanced driver-assistance system.
After taking over Twitter in 2022, Musk targeted Yoel Roth, the platform’s former head of trust and safety, who had recently left. Musk tweeted, incorrectly, that it looked like Roth had argued “in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services.” Some of the platform’s users interpreted it as Musk calling Roth a pedophile, and they posted calls for Roth’s death. Roth moved out of his house temporarily because of threats, the Journal reported at the time.
Musk’s targets this week included Alexis Pelosi, California Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s relative and a senior climate adviser at the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
But that post also included the names of two obscure federal officials with climate-related jobs—including one who had actually left her job at the Energy Department in August.
“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”
Kelley said Musk is going after the wrong target if he focuses only on federal employees. Kelley said far more is spent by federal contractors such as himself—$750 billion annually compared with about $200 billion for the civilian workforce, one third of which are veterans as he is.
“We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” said Kelley, a former Army sergeant. “The people I represent have been called names like deep state, but they are working people just like you and I.”
The 37-year-old Thomas, the target of Musk’s viral repost, works for a federal agency that partners with private companies to finance ways to improve living standards in developing countries.
With engineering, business and water science degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and University of Oxford, Thomas spent years doing field work in Africa and writing research papers such as one on a technology that can help extract water from air in arid countries, according to her past tweets.
She eventually went to work as the agency’s director of climate diversification in 2023, when federal personnel records show she earned $172,075 a year.
An agency official said the climate diversification portfolio is highly technical and is focused on identifying innovations that serve U.S. strategic interests, including bolstering agriculture and infrastructure against extreme weather events.
Thomas previously had served stints in various small companies and nonprofits, some of which do work in the developing world, according to her online resume.
How does a routine federal employee come to the attention of Musk, the world’s richest man?
The controversy erupted when “datahazard,” an X user whose anti-Biden posts have drawn Musk’s attention, questioned Thomas’s job on Tuesday to nearly 170,000 followers.
Musk’s repost sparked a barrage of taunts, with his followers making jeers such as, “A tough way for Ashley Thomas to find out she’s losing her job.”
Michael Skolnik, a longtime civil rights activist, was among those who fired back at the post. “You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and dangerously targeting a person who works an honest job to provide for their family.”
Neither Musk nor his representatives responded to requests for comment.
A representative of the “datahazard” X account, who didn’t give a name, said it was legitimate to give names of employees like Thomas because she is on a list of senior officials who are public figures. “Taxpayers have a fundamental right to know who runs our government,” this person said via a direct message on X.
LinkedIn and Facebook pages for Thomas, who lives in the Seattle area, were no longer live as of Wednesday.
Write to Jim Carlton at Jim.Carlton@wsj.com and Rebecca Ballhaus at rebecca.ballhaus@wsj.com
Thanks.
+!
cunt
dv said:
cunt
The next four years are going to be a pain for sure. We can only hope that some sense prevails.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
cunt
The next four years are going to be a pain for sure. We can only hope that some sense prevails.
We cannot stop the train wreck and its attendant horrosr. We can only watch from a distance.
Unlike most train wrecks, we have plenty of notice for this one, so we might as well make ourselves as comfortable with it and for it as we can, and try to extract from it whatever entertainment value that it has.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
cunt
The next four years are going to be a pain for sure. We can only hope that some sense prevails.
We cannot stop the train wreck and its attendant horrosr. We can only watch from a distance.
Unlike most train wrecks, we have plenty of notice for this one, so we might as well make ourselves as comfortable with it and for it as we can, and try to extract from it whatever entertainment value that it has.
‘…horrors…’
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
cunt
The next four years are going to be a pain for sure. We can only hope that some sense prevails.
We cannot stop the train wreck and its attendant horrosr. We can only watch from a distance.
Unlike most train wrecks, we have plenty of notice for this one, so we might as well make ourselves as comfortable with it and for it as we can, and try to extract from it whatever entertainment value that it has.
All we can do.
dv said:
cunt
I suppose that also equates both to Alexander and Eugene?
who’s this vin diemen fella anyway
SCIENCE said:
who’s this vin diemen fella anyway
Eugene Semyon Vindman (born Yevgeny Semyonovich Vindman; June 6, 1975) is an American politician, attorney, and retired U.S. Army officer. He was a deputy legal advisor for the United States National Security Council (NSC) until he was reassigned on February 7, 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, Vindman is the U.S. member-elect for Virginia’s 7th congressional district.
wiki
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:who’s this vin diemen fella anyway
Eugene Semyon Vindman (born Yevgeny Semyonovich Vindman; June 6, 1975) is an American politician, attorney, and retired U.S. Army officer. He was a deputy legal advisor for the United States National Security Council (NSC) until he was reassigned on February 7, 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, Vindman is the U.S. member-elect for Virginia’s 7th congressional district.
wiki
and he has a twin brother..
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:who’s this vin diemen fella anyway
Eugene Semyon Vindman (born Yevgeny Semyonovich Vindman; June 6, 1975) is an American politician, attorney, and retired U.S. Army officer. He was a deputy legal advisor for the United States National Security Council (NSC) until he was reassigned on February 7, 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, Vindman is the U.S. member-elect for Virginia’s 7th congressional district.
wiki
and he has a twin brother..
Belay that.. my bad.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:Eugene Semyon Vindman (born Yevgeny Semyonovich Vindman; June 6, 1975) is an American politician, attorney, and retired U.S. Army officer. He was a deputy legal advisor for the United States National Security Council (NSC) until he was reassigned on February 7, 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, Vindman is the U.S. member-elect for Virginia’s 7th congressional district.
wiki
and he has a twin brother..
Belay that.. my bad.
or not. Yevgeny = Eugene.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:and he has a twin brother..
Belay that.. my bad.
or not. Yevgeny = Eugene.
Alexander.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Belay that.. my bad.
or not. Yevgeny = Eugene.
Alexander.
Alexander and Yevgeny = Eugene: Alexander Semyon Vindman (born Aleksandr Semyonovich Vindman) and his identical twin brother Yevgeny were born in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Soviet Union to a Jewish family. After the death of their mother, the three-year-old twins and their older brother, Leonid, were brought to New York City in December 1979 by their father, Semyon (Simon)..
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:or not. Yevgeny = Eugene.
Alexander.
Alexander and Yevgeny = Eugene: Alexander Semyon Vindman (born Aleksandr Semyonovich Vindman) and his identical twin brother Yevgeny were born in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Soviet Union to a Jewish family. After the death of their mother, the three-year-old twins and their older brother, Leonid, were brought to New York City in December 1979 by their father, Semyon (Simon)..
Eugene Semyon Vindman (born Yevgeny Semyonovich Vindman; June 6, 1975) is an American politician, attorney, and retired U.S. Army officer. He was a deputy legal advisor for the United States National Security Council (NSC) until he was reassigned on February 7, 2020. A member of the Democratic Party, Vindman is the U.S. member-elect for Virginia’s 7th congressional district.
Vindman came to national attention in October 2019 when his twin brother, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, testified before the United States Congress regarding the Trump–Ukraine scandal. Eugene received the report of President Trump’s telephone call that provoked the scandal from Alexander and reported the call to senior White House lawyers. Alexander’s testimony provided evidence that resulted in a charge of abuse of power in the first impeachment of Donald Trump.
dv said:
cunt
Treason is explicitly defined in the U.S. constitution (article III, section 3) as levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to their enemies. I’m not sure how Musk is going to prove anybody’s guilty of treason, given that the US is not actually at war.
btm said:
dv said:
cunt
Treason is explicitly defined in the U.S. constitution (article III, section 3) as levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to their enemies. I’m not sure how Musk is going to prove anybody’s guilty of treason, given that the US is not actually at war.
Musk appears to be brain damaged. Perhaps all that money has gone to his head. Do his eyes flickr like the numerals in the cash register window? Does his head jingle with all the coins in thre?
Joe Rogan and Elon Musk have responded to comments made by the ABC’s chair Kim Williams, who suggested the popular podcaster “preyed on people’s vulnerabilities” which he found to be “deeply repulsive”.
With the caption “LOL WUT”, Rogan reposted a clip on social media platform X of the ABC chair criticising him during an appearance at the National Press Club on Wednesday.
Hours later Mr Musk weighed in, comparing the ABC to Russian state media in a separate post on X.
“From the head of Australian government-funded media, their Pravda,” he wrote.
roughbarked said:
Joe Rogan and Elon Musk have responded to comments made by the ABC’s chair Kim Williams, who suggested the popular podcaster “preyed on people’s vulnerabilities” which he found to be “deeply repulsive”.With the caption “LOL WUT”, Rogan reposted a clip on social media platform X of the ABC chair criticising him during an appearance at the National Press Club on Wednesday.
Hours later Mr Musk weighed in, comparing the ABC to Russian state media in a separate post on X.
“From the head of Australian government-funded media, their Pravda,” he wrote.
how dare anyone else have an audience, sharing the spotlight is cancel culture
btm said:
dv said:
cunt
Treason is explicitly defined in the U.S. constitution (article III, section 3) as levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to their enemies. I’m not sure how Musk is going to prove anybody’s guilty of treason, given that the US is not actually at war.
Should be easy for him, with a government, Dept. of Justice, and a Supreme Court all selected/restructured so as to comply with whatever Trump and Musk decide is the law of the time.
“If i say it’s ‘treason’, and my pal the Prez says ‘yeah, so it is’, then it’s treason.’
captain_spalding said:
btm said:
dv said:
cunt
Treason is explicitly defined in the U.S. constitution (article III, section 3) as levying war against the US or giving aid and comfort to their enemies. I’m not sure how Musk is going to prove anybody’s guilty of treason, given that the US is not actually at war.
Should be easy for him, with a government, Dept. of Justice, and a Supreme Court all selected/restructured so as to comply with whatever Trump and Musk decide is the law of the time.
“If i say it’s ‘treason’, and my pal the Prez says ‘yeah, so it is’, then it’s treason.’
The people have spoken.
Why Is Elon Musk Like That?
Elon Musk is causing problems for the Royal Society
His continued membership has led to a high-profile resignation
Nov 28th 2024
ISAAC NEWTON was a self-interested tyrant. James Watson, a Nobel laureate, spouted racist and sexist notions all his life. These men nevertheless managed to keep hold of one of the British scientific establishment’s highest baubles—fellowship of the Royal Society, the oldest scientific academy in the world. The latest member of that club to be accused of unbecoming behaviour is Elon Musk, the richest man in the world and, now, a confidant of President-elect Donald Trump. His continued inclusion—despite what some other scientists have called “anti-scientific” behaviour—has led to a fracas.
The situation came to a head on November 25th when Dorothy Bishop (pictured), a renowned neuropsychologist at the University of Oxford, announced that she had taken the rare step of resigning from the society in protest at its refusal to oust him. In a blistering post on her personal blog she declared that, because of what she saw as Mr Musk’s tendency to spread misinformation and attack scientists online, she felt she could no longer show her fellow fellow the courtesy required by the society’s code of conduct.
Mr Musk was elected to the Royal Society in 2018 along with 49 other fellows. Although not a scientist himself, he was honoured for his extensive record of technological innovation: SpaceX, his space-travel company, delivers more material into orbit than any rival, public or private; Tesla, another of his firms, has pioneered the manufacture of electric vehicles.
As transformative as his business endeavours have been, it is his behaviour on X, the social-media company he owns, that troubles Dr Bishop and her sympathisers. “He seems to have moved to a position of being blatantly anti-science,” she says, which sits uneasily with the requirement imposed on fellows to uphold high standards in their work and conduct.
In her blog post she highlights his “downplaying” of climate change, occasional amplification of vaccination hesitancy, and his persistent attacks on individual scientists, notably Anthony Fauci, who led the Trump administration’s response to the covid-19 pandemic. (The Economist’s analysis of Mr Musk’s social-media activity finds a sharp increase in political posts in recent years.) Now that Mr Musk looks likely to co-run Mr Trump’s new Department for Government Efficiency, an advisory body that may wield influence over the allocation of scientific funding, Dr Bishop fears that he could have a detrimental impact on American scientists. (Mr Musk was approached for comment.)
She is not alone in her concerns. In August a group of 74 fellows, including Dr Bishop, sent a letter to the Royal Society’s governing body expressing their hope that Mr Musk would be removed after making what they regarded as inflammatory comments on X about the summer’s riots in Britain. The society later informed the signatories that its lawyer had not found Mr Musk to have broken its code of conduct. According to Dr Bishop, though, the society will look at the case again—probably at a closed meeting currently scheduled for November 29th.
For its part the society says it is saddened by Dr Bishop’s resignation, but reiterates the need to follow procedure. Precedent is thin on the ground. John Flamsteed, Britain’s first Astronomer Royal, was expelled for not paying his dues (or, perhaps, for his disagreements with the tyrannical Newton) in 1709. Rudolf Raspe, a German geologist, was kicked out for embezzlement in 1775. In the intervening century and a half, however, no member has suffered a similar fate.
To Dr Bishop, Mr Musk’s political power and social-media reach make this a much more serious affair. But even if others were to follow her lead, a handful of voluntary resignations from among the society’s 1,800-odd members may not produce the desired momentum. If the society did expel Mr Musk, it would need to prepare for accusations of political bias and, potentially, a lawsuit. It does not take the most dazzling minds in science to spot those warning signs.
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/11/28/elon-musk-is-causing-problems-for-the-royal-society?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk is causing problems for the Royal Society
His continued membership has led to a high-profile resignationNov 28th 2024
ISAAC NEWTON was a self-interested tyrant. James Watson, a Nobel laureate, spouted racist and sexist notions all his life. These men nevertheless managed to keep hold of one of the British scientific establishment’s highest baubles—fellowship of the Royal Society, the oldest scientific academy in the world. The latest member of that club to be accused of unbecoming behaviour is Elon Musk, the richest man in the world and, now, a confidant of President-elect Donald Trump. His continued inclusion—despite what some other scientists have called “anti-scientific” behaviour—has led to a fracas.
The situation came to a head on November 25th when Dorothy Bishop (pictured), a renowned neuropsychologist at the University of Oxford, announced that she had taken the rare step of resigning from the society in protest at its refusal to oust him. In a blistering post on her personal blog she declared that, because of what she saw as Mr Musk’s tendency to spread misinformation and attack scientists online, she felt she could no longer show her fellow fellow the courtesy required by the society’s code of conduct.
Mr Musk was elected to the Royal Society in 2018 along with 49 other fellows. Although not a scientist himself, he was honoured for his extensive record of technological innovation: SpaceX, his space-travel company, delivers more material into orbit than any rival, public or private; Tesla, another of his firms, has pioneered the manufacture of electric vehicles.
As transformative as his business endeavours have been, it is his behaviour on X, the social-media company he owns, that troubles Dr Bishop and her sympathisers. “He seems to have moved to a position of being blatantly anti-science,” she says, which sits uneasily with the requirement imposed on fellows to uphold high standards in their work and conduct.
In her blog post she highlights his “downplaying” of climate change, occasional amplification of vaccination hesitancy, and his persistent attacks on individual scientists, notably Anthony Fauci, who led the Trump administration’s response to the covid-19 pandemic. (The Economist’s analysis of Mr Musk’s social-media activity finds a sharp increase in political posts in recent years.) Now that Mr Musk looks likely to co-run Mr Trump’s new Department for Government Efficiency, an advisory body that may wield influence over the allocation of scientific funding, Dr Bishop fears that he could have a detrimental impact on American scientists. (Mr Musk was approached for comment.)
She is not alone in her concerns. In August a group of 74 fellows, including Dr Bishop, sent a letter to the Royal Society’s governing body expressing their hope that Mr Musk would be removed after making what they regarded as inflammatory comments on X about the summer’s riots in Britain. The society later informed the signatories that its lawyer had not found Mr Musk to have broken its code of conduct. According to Dr Bishop, though, the society will look at the case again—probably at a closed meeting currently scheduled for November 29th.
For its part the society says it is saddened by Dr Bishop’s resignation, but reiterates the need to follow procedure. Precedent is thin on the ground. John Flamsteed, Britain’s first Astronomer Royal, was expelled for not paying his dues (or, perhaps, for his disagreements with the tyrannical Newton) in 1709. Rudolf Raspe, a German geologist, was kicked out for embezzlement in 1775. In the intervening century and a half, however, no member has suffered a similar fate.
To Dr Bishop, Mr Musk’s political power and social-media reach make this a much more serious affair. But even if others were to follow her lead, a handful of voluntary resignations from among the society’s 1,800-odd members may not produce the desired momentum. If the society did expel Mr Musk, it would need to prepare for accusations of political bias and, potentially, a lawsuit. It does not take the most dazzling minds in science to spot those warning signs.
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/11/28/elon-musk-is-causing-problems-for-the-royal-society?
Blacklist him?
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk is causing problems for the Royal Society
His continued membership has led to a high-profile resignationNov 28th 2024
ISAAC NEWTON was a self-interested tyrant. James Watson, a Nobel laureate, spouted racist and sexist notions all his life. These men nevertheless managed to keep hold of one of the British scientific establishment’s highest baubles—fellowship of the Royal Society, the oldest scientific academy in the world. The latest member of that club to be accused of unbecoming behaviour is Elon Musk, the richest man in the world and, now, a confidant of President-elect Donald Trump. His continued inclusion—despite what some other scientists have called “anti-scientific” behaviour—has led to a fracas.
The situation came to a head on November 25th when Dorothy Bishop (pictured), a renowned neuropsychologist at the University of Oxford, announced that she had taken the rare step of resigning from the society in protest at its refusal to oust him. In a blistering post on her personal blog she declared that, because of what she saw as Mr Musk’s tendency to spread misinformation and attack scientists online, she felt she could no longer show her fellow fellow the courtesy required by the society’s code of conduct.
Mr Musk was elected to the Royal Society in 2018 along with 49 other fellows. Although not a scientist himself, he was honoured for his extensive record of technological innovation: SpaceX, his space-travel company, delivers more material into orbit than any rival, public or private; Tesla, another of his firms, has pioneered the manufacture of electric vehicles.
As transformative as his business endeavours have been, it is his behaviour on X, the social-media company he owns, that troubles Dr Bishop and her sympathisers. “He seems to have moved to a position of being blatantly anti-science,” she says, which sits uneasily with the requirement imposed on fellows to uphold high standards in their work and conduct.
In her blog post she highlights his “downplaying” of climate change, occasional amplification of vaccination hesitancy, and his persistent attacks on individual scientists, notably Anthony Fauci, who led the Trump administration’s response to the covid-19 pandemic. (The Economist’s analysis of Mr Musk’s social-media activity finds a sharp increase in political posts in recent years.) Now that Mr Musk looks likely to co-run Mr Trump’s new Department for Government Efficiency, an advisory body that may wield influence over the allocation of scientific funding, Dr Bishop fears that he could have a detrimental impact on American scientists. (Mr Musk was approached for comment.)
She is not alone in her concerns. In August a group of 74 fellows, including Dr Bishop, sent a letter to the Royal Society’s governing body expressing their hope that Mr Musk would be removed after making what they regarded as inflammatory comments on X about the summer’s riots in Britain. The society later informed the signatories that its lawyer had not found Mr Musk to have broken its code of conduct. According to Dr Bishop, though, the society will look at the case again—probably at a closed meeting currently scheduled for November 29th.
For its part the society says it is saddened by Dr Bishop’s resignation, but reiterates the need to follow procedure. Precedent is thin on the ground. John Flamsteed, Britain’s first Astronomer Royal, was expelled for not paying his dues (or, perhaps, for his disagreements with the tyrannical Newton) in 1709. Rudolf Raspe, a German geologist, was kicked out for embezzlement in 1775. In the intervening century and a half, however, no member has suffered a similar fate.
To Dr Bishop, Mr Musk’s political power and social-media reach make this a much more serious affair. But even if others were to follow her lead, a handful of voluntary resignations from among the society’s 1,800-odd members may not produce the desired momentum. If the society did expel Mr Musk, it would need to prepare for accusations of political bias and, potentially, a lawsuit. It does not take the most dazzling minds in science to spot those warning signs.
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/11/28/elon-musk-is-causing-problems-for-the-royal-society?
Blacklist him?
seconded.
https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-cybertruck-immediately-dies-canadian-winter-owner-bricks-truck-trying-use-defroster
Tesla Cybertruck Immediately Dies in Canadian Winter – Owner Bricks the Truck Trying to Use the Defroster, Says “In Love to Heartbroken on the Same Day”
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On the bright side, I have learned the word frunk.
“Elon Musk spent $US20.5 million ($32 million) to solely fund a group that spent millions on ads claiming Donald Trump and Ruth Bader Ginsburg shared the same opinions on abortion.
That money was in addition to the more than $US250 million he spent to boost president-elect Donald Trump, the latest campaign finance reports show.
Mr Musk met with US politicians on Thursday to discuss his plans in his newly appointed role, where he has vowed to reduce federal spending by $US2 trillion.”
Michael V said:
“Elon Musk spent $US20.5 million ($32 million) to solely fund a group that spent millions on ads claiming Donald Trump and Ruth Bader Ginsburg shared the same opinions on abortion.
That money was in addition to the more than $US250 million he spent to boost president-elect Donald Trump, the latest campaign finance reports show.
Mr Musk met with US politicians on Thursday to discuss his plans in his newly appointed role, where he has vowed to reduce federal spending by $US2 trillion.”
so when he stands to gain that “reduced” USD2T as a “bonus” or whatever they choose to call it by then, only then will everyone else realise it was the best USD270.5M ever spent
ruby said:
look fascist arseholes expressing themselves by blocking the display of unfavorable representations is still a form of free speech and freedom of expression c’m‘on
SCIENCE said:
ruby said:
look fascist arseholes expressing themselves by blocking the display of unfavorable representations is still a form of free speech and freedom of expression c’m‘on
And people who exercise their free speech by reposting the banned original is even more and ever greater freedom
ruby said:
Liam doesn’t appear to be blocked.
Maybe he was unblocked so he could retweet it.
ruby said:
SCIENCE said:
ruby said:
look fascist arseholes expressing themselves by blocking the display of unfavorable representations is still a form of free speech and freedom of expression c’m‘on
And people who exercise their free speech by reposting the banned original is even more and ever greater freedom
^
That’s another thing that is surprising about this complex fellow. He wants to be an online wag but his jokes always fall flat. He has a third of a trillion dollars. Can’t he just hire like a thousand of the world’s best comedy writers to work for him full time?
dv said:
That’s another thing that is surprising about this complex fellow. He wants to be an online wag but his jokes always fall flat. He has a third of a trillion dollars. Can’t he just hire like a thousand of the world’s best comedy writers to work for him full time?
No, he can’t. Not in his current psychological make-up to acknowledge somebody else can be better at doing a thing than him.
dv said:
That’s another thing that is surprising about this complex fellow. He wants to be an online wag but his jokes always fall flat. He has a third of a trillion dollars. Can’t he just hire like a thousand of the world’s best comedy writers to work for him full time?
I’m not gunna work for him, he can get rogered and burnt.
ruby said:
LOLOLOLOL
dv said:
That’s another thing that is surprising about this complex fellow. He wants to be an online wag but his jokes always fall flat. He has a third of a trillion dollars. Can’t he just hire like a thousand of the world’s best comedy writers to work for him full time?
or just steal some of my jokes.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
That’s another thing that is surprising about this complex fellow. He wants to be an online wag but his jokes always fall flat. He has a third of a trillion dollars. Can’t he just hire like a thousand of the world’s best comedy writers to work for him full time?
or just steal some of my jokes.
He doesn’t want to get assassinated.
Witty Rejoinder said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
That’s another thing that is surprising about this complex fellow. He wants to be an online wag but his jokes always fall flat. He has a third of a trillion dollars. Can’t he just hire like a thousand of the world’s best comedy writers to work for him full time?
or just steal some of my jokes.
He doesn’t want to get assassinated.
that’s quitter talk.
speaking of inferior jokes and assassinated if an American donkeys buttocks appear during technology entertainment design presentations then
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
JudgeMental said:
or just steal some of my jokes.
He doesn’t want to get assassinated.
that’s quitter talk.
do it
Reminder: about half of homeless people in the USA have jobs.
https://usich.gov/guidance-reports-data/data-trends
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Musk’s politics hadn’t seeped into Tesla. Then he axed its eco car of the future.
Once one of America’s most outspoken voices on the threat of climate change, Elon Musk now argues these existential risks have been overstated. This shifting stance could influence Trump and help the Tesla CEO’s businesses.
December 10, 2024 at 1:36 p.m. ESTtoday at 1:36 p.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Elizabeth Dwoskin, Faiz Siddiqui and Shannon Osaka
Earlier this year, top executives at Tesla gathered in Palo Alto to sell CEO Elon Musk on a line of compact cars that would bring the electric-vehicle revolution to budget-conscious consumers across the world. The more affordable car had long been part of Musk’s master plan for Tesla to fight climate change by “accelerat the world’s transition to sustainable energy.”
But Musk axed the proposal, amid budget constraints, according to two people close to Musk who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. Instead, the billionaire green-lit a massive purchase of computer chips, in a deal worth billions intended to enhance Tesla’s luxury cars (and a humanoid robot called Optimus) with energy-intensive artificial intelligence capabilities.
The internal deliberations over the so-called Tesla Model 2, which have not previously been reported, reflect what sources close to Musk describe as a significant shift in the billionaire’s attitude toward climate change. And with Musk deeply embedded in the incoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump, his startling transformation from environmental crusader to critic of dire climate predictions could help bolster moves in Washington against clean energy — and even electric vehicles.
Once one of the most vocal American executives on the dangers of climate change, Musk called for a “popular uprising” against the fossil fuel industry in a 2016 film. At Tesla, every internal slide presentation had to include figures from former vice president Al Gore’s documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” citing rising carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, a reminder of the company’s mission.
But the paragraph about global warming is no longer required in Tesla’s presentation decks and climate change has plummeted on Musk’s list of priorities: In an August live stream on X, he told Trump “we don’t need to rush” to solve the climate crisis.
People familiar with Musk’s thinking say the billionaire still believes global warming is a problem, a point he made online as recently as last year. But he now thinks the existential risks from climate-related disasters have been overstated — views influenced by a right-wing universe he has come to inhabit online and in real life in Texas, according to five people familiar with Musk’s thinking, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations.
Musk also has developed a newfound enthusiasm for technological solutions to climate change, such as nuclear power and carbon capture. Today, he rarely talks about global warming as an imminent threat, viewing robotics, artificial intelligence, stemming population decline and reaching Mars as more critical to human survival.
Musk’s shift presents a challenge for his electric vehicle business, where some employees are committed to working for a mission-driven company. Several senior executives have left amid the recognition that Musk doesn’t prioritize Tesla’s climate mission as much as other priorities, according to two people familiar with the matter. Meanwhile, Trump has campaigned on eliminating the tax credit for electric vehicles that has driven much of Tesla’s business.
Musk has conceded that the tax credit eventually would have to end. And he probably will lobby the Trump administration to help nearly all his businesses — not just Tesla, but the rocket company SpaceX and the internet service provider Starlink as well, one of the people said.
“Musk, at Trump’s side, both encourages the president-elect to ignore the seriousness of and pursue policies that will make the problem worse,” said Paul Barrett, deputy director of the Center for Business and Human Rights at New York University’s Stern School of Business. “He clearly has made the calculation that his relationship with Trump will lead to decreased regulation of his businesses (and many others), and that that indirect benefit outweighs his direct competitive concerns.”
Musk’s transformation on climate change has been years in the making, said the five people, sparked by a variety of influences: battles with environmental groups, tensions with the Biden administration and a rightward shift related to the pandemic, which has exposed him to new experts and ideas.
“He used to be a Democrat who believed everything he was told was true about this,” said one of the people. “And now he’s thinks for himself and realizes, yes, climate change is real, but it’s not nearly among the top problems right now.”
Musk and Tesla did not respond to a request for comment.
A climate change meltdown
When Leonardo DiCaprio strolled onto the floor of Tesla’s sprawling gigafactory in Reno, Nevada, to film a 2016 National Geographic documentary about climate change, Musk didn’t mince words.
There needs to be a “popular uprising” against the fossil fuel industry, Musk told DiCaprio, warning that the world is “unavoidably headed toward some level of harm and the sooner we can take action, the less harm will result.”
At the time, Musk also was tweeting prolifically about limiting carbon emissions, reminding people that “Tesla is working hard to help stop global warming,” touting a tax on carbon and warning of “climate change meltdown.”
By 2020, the covid pandemic had begun to alter his worldview. In Alameda County, California, officials ordered lockdowns that forced the closure of Tesla’s main production plant. Around that time, Musk walked through his Tesla facilities ripping mask mandate posters from the walls, a person close to him said.
In May 2020, Musk announced Tesla would move its headquarters out of the state. He soon relocated to the Austin area, though Tesla maintained its engineering headquarters in Silicon Valley.
Around that time, Musk’s daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson — a transgender woman from whom he is now estranged — received gender-affirming care. Friends say Musk was devastated by his daughter’s transition, and he has vowed to “destroy the woke mind virus” that he claims “killed” her.
Both events helped cement Musk’s turn against Democrats, which in turn pushed him to rethink his views on climate change. “Anything the left saying conspiratorial and bullshit,” said one of the people familiar with his thinking.
Another turning point came in 2021, when President Joe Biden hosted an electric vehicle summit featuring each of the other major American automakers and the United Auto Workers. Associates say Musk was outraged that Tesla was not included, and that the incident turned him against the Biden administration.
After moving his personal life and sprawling business empire to Austin, Musk began discussing climate issues and other politics with friends and associates who are skeptical of catastrophic global warming predictions. Among them was Palantir co-founder Joe Lonsdale, a libertarian-leaning conservative who also relocated from Silicon Valley during the pandemic. Lonsdale, who is active in right-wing politics, introduced Musk to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ®, at the time a presidential hopeful favored by the tech elite.
Lonsdale argues that climate change could be solved in part by nuclear energy with advanced cooling technologies, according to one of the people. He is a fan of Steven Koonin, a Stanford University physicist who worked in the Department of Energy under former president Barack Obama.
This year, Koonin published a book critiquing “consensus science” on climate change, arguing that experts exaggerate the impacts and that slashing carbon emissions would harm development and economic growth. The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has projected that unmitigated CO2 emissions will cause additional weather disasters, stunted economic growth and dangerous heat for billions of people around the world.
In 2023, Musk got to know Vivek Ramaswamy, the former pharmaceutical executive who ran against Trump in the Republican primary. In his most recent book, Ramaswamy acknowledges that global surface temperatures are rising but also argues that there is no conclusive evidence this rise is bad for humanity, citing Koonin and other researchers who point to potential net positive effects of planetary warming. Ramaswamy, Musk’s co-chair on Trump’s commission on government efficiency, has discussed his views on climate change with Musk on podcasts and on X.
Ramaswamy and Lonsdale declined to comment on conversations with Musk.
Meanwhile, Musk’s views of environmental nonprofit groups has also shifted. In 2018, shortly before his roughly $6 million in donations to the Sierra Club became public, he tweeted his thanks to the group “for fighting climate change,” adding: “This affects every living creature on Earth.”
Today, Musk thinks the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and other environmental groups have impeded his businesses, one of the people said. For example, the Sierra Club of Texas attempted to stall a new Tesla plant in Travis County, which includes Austin — a move Musk viewed as antithetical to the advocacy groups’ climate goals, the person said. “That struck him as pretty nuts,” said the person, adding that Musk’s takeaway was: “They say they are environmental groups, but do they care about the environment?”
Musk also bristled when Tesla’s gigafactory in Grünheide, Germany, lost power and had to halt work earlier this year after suspected arsonists set fire to an electricity pylon near the site. The incident, portrayed by media outlets as environmentalists railing against corporate greed, angered Musk, the person said. “These are either the dumbest ecoterrorists on Earth or they’re puppets of those who don’t have good environmental goals,” Musk wrote on X in March.
Ben Jealous, the Sierra Club’s executive director, said Musk’s shift in climate views will come at a cost. “By embracing Donald Trump, Elon is supporting an agenda that would destroy the electric vehicle economy, kill jobs and accelerate the climate crisis to uncontrollable extremes,” Jealous said.
Tefere Gebre, chief program officer at Greenpeace USA, said in a statement that billionaires like Musk have “bought” the White House and are “angling to crush dissent.”
Some Tesla shareholders now question Musk’s commitment to the company’s original mission, following his public takeover of Twitter, now X, and measures that appeared to give Tesla’s chief executive more power. Fred Lambert, editor in chief of Electrek, a pro-electric-vehicle blog, sold his entire stake in Tesla earlier this year after decisions, including shareholders reapproving Musk’s $56 billion compensation package, made him reevaluate his position.
In an interview, Lambert said the company’s mission now appears to be “enriching Elon Musk.”
As Trump prepares to take office in January, speeding the launch cadence at SpaceX is at the top of Musk’s wish list for the new administration, according to a person close to him. He also wants to limit oversight of the rocket company by the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which are assessing the environmental impact of SpaceX’s South Texas launch facility.
Cleanup begins following the launch of the SpaceX Starship spacecraft and Super Heavy rocket launched from Starbase that heavily damaged the pad on April 20, 2023. (Jonathan Newton/The Washington Post)
Musk also may lobby for policies allowing Starlink to launch more satellites and increase their competitiveness in the United States, the person said, and for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to streamline the regulation of autonomous vehicles, which Musk has called “the future” of Tesla.
People who have worked with Musk said it’s unlikely he will lobby with the same zeal for climate-related issues. Robert Zubrin, president of the Mars Society and a longtime Musk associate, said the billionaire’s alliance with conservatives now overshadows that priority.
“He decided he would join this camp, and this was more important than the whole climate cause. He decided to go all in,” Zubrin said. “And I guess in one sense, that is characteristic Musk: When he decides to do something, he goes all in.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/10/elon-musk-climate-change-worldview-trump/?
, viewing robotics, artificial intelligence, stemming population decline and reaching Mars as more critical to human survival.
——
fn crazy shit.
What a fuckwit.
Spiny Norman said:
What a fuckwit.
Agreed.
Elon Musk fight with SEC reaches tipping point
Nathan Bomey
Elon Musk’s ongoing feud with the Securities and Exchange Commission escalated Thursday when he publicly challenged the agency, claiming it gave him 48 hours to pay a penalty or face charges related to his Twitter acquisition.
The big picture: Musk’s brawl with the regulator — a six-year on-again-off-again battle involving numerous unrelated issues — has reached an inflection point.
Catch up quick: The SEC has been investigating Musk over whether he properly disclosed his ownership stake in Twitter before he bought the whole thing in 2022.
In 2018, the SEC hit Musk with securities fraud charges over his social-media claim that Tesla had lined up a buyout bid at a price of $420 per share.
In the letter Musk posted Thursday, his attorney accused the SEC of “six years of harassment of Mr. Musk” and said he had “categorically refused” to cooperate with the agency’s recent demands.
“This series of events makes clear that the Commission is not motivated to seek the truth but instead is engaged in an improperly motivated campaign against Mr. Musk and the individuals and companies associated with him,” his attorney, Alex Spiro, wrote.
The big picture: “Musk’s biggest beef with the government is the SEC,” University of Michigan business professor Erik Gordon said in a recent interview. “He thinks they’ve harassed , he thinks they’re way off base, he’s called them names.”
Zoom in: Though Musk’s earliest issues with the SEC date back to a former chairman serving during Trump’s first term, Musk Thursday suggested the attention was personal.
“Oh Gary, how could you do this to me?” he wrote on X, referring to current chair Gary Gensler, arguing in another post that “the SEC is just another weaponized institution doing political dirty work.”
Spiro’s letter, addressed to Gensler, demanded to know who directed the recent actions, the chair himself or “The White House.”
Spiro did not respond to Axios’ request to authenticate the letter and comment further.
State of play: If the SEC’s latest demands are true — as stated in Spiro’s letter — the boss of Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, xAI and X could be facing new charges before Gensler leaves office at the end of President Joe Biden’s term.
An SEC spokesperson said in a statement that “it is the policy of the SEC to conduct investigations on a confidential basis to preserve the integrity of its investigative process. The SEC therefore does not comment on the existence or nonexistence of a possible investigation.”
Both the SEC and The White House will look quite different in a month, however.
Between the lines: When Musk’s ally Trump succeeds Biden as president, his new nominee for SEC chair will be in a position to influence the agency’s actions in relation to Musk and his companies. That includes Neuralink, which, according to the Spiro letter, is now facing a “reopened” SEC probe.
What we’re watching: Whether Musk’s SEC troubles do fade away after Trump takes office.
On one hand, Musk piled money into the effort to reelect Trump and has become a close adviser of the incoming president. What’s unclear is whether he’s advised Trump on the SEC.
Zoom in: Trump recently said he would nominate crypto ally and former SEC commissioner Paul Atkins as chairman, and it’s far from clear whether the veteran regulator and lawyer would back away from any of the SEC’s cases involving Musk.
Atkins representatives did not respond to a request for comment on Friday.
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/13/elon-musk-sec-fight-twitter
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk fight with SEC reaches tipping pointNathan Bomey
Elon Musk’s ongoing feud with the Securities and Exchange Commission escalated Thursday when he publicly challenged the agency, claiming it gave him 48 hours to pay a penalty or face charges related to his Twitter acquisition.
The big picture: Musk’s brawl with the regulator — a six-year on-again-off-again battle involving numerous unrelated issues — has reached an inflection point.
Catch up quick: The SEC has been investigating Musk over whether he properly disclosed his ownership stake in Twitter before he bought the whole thing in 2022.
In 2018, the SEC hit Musk with securities fraud charges over his social-media claim that Tesla had lined up a buyout bid at a price of $420 per share.
In the letter Musk posted Thursday, his attorney accused the SEC of “six years of harassment of Mr. Musk” and said he had “categorically refused” to cooperate with the agency’s recent demands.
“This series of events makes clear that the Commission is not motivated to seek the truth but instead is engaged in an improperly motivated campaign against Mr. Musk and the individuals and companies associated with him,” his attorney, Alex Spiro, wrote.
The big picture: “Musk’s biggest beef with the government is the SEC,” University of Michigan business professor Erik Gordon said in a recent interview. “He thinks they’ve harassed , he thinks they’re way off base, he’s called them names.”
Zoom in: Though Musk’s earliest issues with the SEC date back to a former chairman serving during Trump’s first term, Musk Thursday suggested the attention was personal.
“Oh Gary, how could you do this to me?” he wrote on X, referring to current chair Gary Gensler, arguing in another post that “the SEC is just another weaponized institution doing political dirty work.”
Spiro’s letter, addressed to Gensler, demanded to know who directed the recent actions, the chair himself or “The White House.”
Spiro did not respond to Axios’ request to authenticate the letter and comment further.State of play: If the SEC’s latest demands are true — as stated in Spiro’s letter — the boss of Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink, xAI and X could be facing new charges before Gensler leaves office at the end of President Joe Biden’s term.
An SEC spokesperson said in a statement that “it is the policy of the SEC to conduct investigations on a confidential basis to preserve the integrity of its investigative process. The SEC therefore does not comment on the existence or nonexistence of a possible investigation.”
Both the SEC and The White House will look quite different in a month, however.Between the lines: When Musk’s ally Trump succeeds Biden as president, his new nominee for SEC chair will be in a position to influence the agency’s actions in relation to Musk and his companies. That includes Neuralink, which, according to the Spiro letter, is now facing a “reopened” SEC probe.
What we’re watching: Whether Musk’s SEC troubles do fade away after Trump takes office.
On one hand, Musk piled money into the effort to reelect Trump and has become a close adviser of the incoming president. What’s unclear is whether he’s advised Trump on the SEC.
Zoom in: Trump recently said he would nominate crypto ally and former SEC commissioner Paul Atkins as chairman, and it’s far from clear whether the veteran regulator and lawyer would back away from any of the SEC’s cases involving Musk.
Atkins representatives did not respond to a request for comment on Friday.
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/13/elon-musk-sec-fight-twitter
It’ll all start changing in a month or so.
dv said:
WTAF?
Michael V said:
dv said:
WTAF?
He’s getting more and more unstable.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
WTAF?
He’s getting more and more unstable.
in fairness they aimed to reuse the launch vehicles rather than recycle them
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
WTAF?
He’s getting more and more unstable.
I guess that means SpaceX is going to start building one-flight disposable rockets from now on then.
Now this I like.
Spiny Norman said:
I beat you to that one.
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
I beat you to that one.
:)
“There is a large graveyard filled with my enemies. I do not wish to add to it, but will if given no choice. Those who pick fights with me do so at their own peril, but maybe this is their lucky day…”
— Happy Holidays from President Musk
He may not have called himself President Musk, publicly, but apparently he said those words.
Michael V said:
dv said:
WTAF?
Reduce, Reuse
Tesla sales crash as drivers snub Trump supporter Elon Musk
Tariffs on Chinese-made cars and the marque’s ageing lineup are also undermining demand in Europe.
Tesla’s sales in Europe have plunged by 40% as the electric carmaker battles a backlash from buyers against Elon Musk’s support for Donald Trump.
You need to subscribe to read it all sorry.
He’s quickly becoming the worst
dv said:
He’s quickly becoming the worst
what about all the sycophants playing along with andor believing the bullshit
Why Does Elon Musk Want to Kill Wikipedia?
Spiny Norman said:
Why Does Elon Musk Want to Kill Wikipedia?
First thought, without examining the reference: because he’s an arse.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Why Does Elon Musk Want to Kill Wikipedia?First thought, without examining the reference: because he’s an arse.
I concur.
LOLOLOLOL 😆
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Why Does Elon Musk Want to Kill Wikipedia?First thought, without examining the reference: because he’s an arse.
I concur.
Make that three of us.
Nearly every Tesla I’ve seen has some kind of personal plates on it regarding the car, like “Voltswagon” or “No oil”.
I was following a Tesla in traffic the other day with the number plates “ E MUSK “, which I thought was a new low.
kii said:
:)
Nice notion.
:)
I predict that he’ll do something very f’king stupid.
Spiny Norman said:
I predict that he’ll do something very f’king stupid.
Wank, wank, money in the bank.
Civil War Is Inevitable
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
I predict that he’ll do something very f’king stupid.
Wank, wank, money in the bank.
gold
Spiny Norman said:
I predict that he’ll do something very f’king stupid.
Is Elon in touch with the people who built Tesla Motors and Spacex? Maybe they should be in cabinet too.
Spiny Norman said:
I predict that he’ll do something very f’king stupid.
He does actually have a point. There are many types of immigration. the USA has long benefitted from being the beneficiary of other countries brain drain in being able to lure bright young minds to pursue opportunity there. When the MAGA crowd hear the word “immigration” they think of hordes of unskilled illiterate Latinos from shithole countries trying to get to the US to do unskilled lower than living wage jobs or turn to crime to supplement their income. They are generally too stupid to make the distinction between high and low skilled immigration, and often rank racism clouds their view.
Elon is not the most eloquent at explaining nuance for the stupid MAGA masses. He clearly despises them just as much as we do.
SCIENCE said:
Civil War Is Inevitable
resistance is futile!
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:Civil War Is Inevitable
resistance is futile!
it is futile to resist it
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:Civil War Is Inevitable
resistance is futile!
The unit of resistance is the ohm.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:Civil War Is Inevitable
resistance is futile!
The unit of resistance is the ohm.
Watt?
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:resistance is futile!
The unit of resistance is the ohm.
Watt?
That amped up.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The unit of resistance is the ohm.
Watt?
That amped up.
https://ceramics.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1151-2916.1953.tb12844.x
wait
dv said:
so is it a lie
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
so is it a lie
The dude is cray cray.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
so is it a lie
The dude is cray cray.
Elmo caught telling fibs about Tesla.
Again.
Spiny Norman said:
Elmo caught telling fibs about Tesla.
Again.
The depth of depravity.
Spiny Norman said:
Elmo caught telling fibs about Tesla.
Again.
History of Tesla, Inc.#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc.
PermeateFree said:
Spiny Norman said:
Elmo caught telling fibs about Tesla.
Again.
History of Tesla, Inc.#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc.
Don’t tell us, PF.
Tell Elon. He imagines he was one of the people that named the company, years before he got involved with it.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Spiny Norman said:
Elmo caught telling fibs about Tesla.
Again.
History of Tesla, Inc.#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc.
Don’t tell us, PF.
Tell Elon. He imagines he was one of the people that named the company, years before he got involved with it.
I not telling you anything. It was written by those who usually contribute to Wiki where they also supply references, quite unlike what the loony left do.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:History of Tesla, Inc.#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc.
Don’t tell us, PF.
Tell Elon. He imagines he was one of the people that named the company, years before he got involved with it.
I not telling you anything. It was written by those who usually contribute to Wiki where they also supply references, quite unlike what the loony left do.
Wikipedia is supporting what we are saying. Musk was not one of the people who named Tesla Inc. He was not even involved when the company was started.
Are you even reading what you’re posting? Please do.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Don’t tell us, PF.
Tell Elon. He imagines he was one of the people that named the company, years before he got involved with it.
I not telling you anything. It was written by those who usually contribute to Wiki where they also supply references, quite unlike what the loony left do.
Wikipedia is supporting what we are saying. Musk was not one of the people who named Tesla Inc. He was not even involved when the company was started.
Are you even reading what you’re posting? Please do.
well all right fellas good luck correcting these argue bots
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:I not telling you anything. It was written by those who usually contribute to Wiki where they also supply references, quite unlike what the loony left do.
Wikipedia is supporting what we are saying. Musk was not one of the people who named Tesla Inc. He was not even involved when the company was started.
Are you even reading what you’re posting? Please do.
well all right fellas good luck correcting these argue bots
Well, if you read Musk’s involvement in Tesla, you will find that the company would have failed without his involvement, thereby giving him more than just a figurehead position. It was his faith in the company and determination that made Tesla what it eventually became. The loony left will only read and interpret what suits them.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Wikipedia is supporting what we are saying. Musk was not one of the people who named Tesla Inc. He was not even involved when the company was started.
Are you even reading what you’re posting? Please do.
well all right fellas good luck correcting these argue bots
Well, if you read Musk’s involvement in Tesla, you will find that the company would have failed without his involvement, thereby giving him more than just a figurehead position. It was his faith in the company and determination that made Tesla what it eventually became. The loony left will only read and interpret what suits them.
This is irrelevant. We are discussing his false claim that he was among those who named Tesla.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:well all right fellas good luck correcting these argue bots
Well, if you read Musk’s involvement in Tesla, you will find that the company would have failed without his involvement, thereby giving him more than just a figurehead position. It was his faith in the company and determination that made Tesla what it eventually became. The loony left will only read and interpret what suits them.
This is irrelevant. We are discussing his false claim that he was among those who named Tesla.
The original post was: “We named @ Tesla after Nikola Tesla, one of the greatest engineers ever.” When you consider his considerable involvement and financial interest in the proto company it was then, he had every right to feel included in the founding of the company.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:Wikipedia is supporting what we are saying. Musk was not one of the people who named Tesla Inc. He was not even involved when the company was started.
Are you even reading what you’re posting? Please do.
well all right fellas good luck correcting these argue bots
Well, if you read Musk’s involvement in Tesla, you will find that the company would have failed without his involvement, thereby giving him more than just a figurehead position. It was his faith in the company and determination that made Tesla what it eventually became. The loony left will only read and interpret what suits them.
Remarkable.
But, was he one of the ‘we’ who named it?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:well all right fellas good luck correcting these argue bots
Well, if you read Musk’s involvement in Tesla, you will find that the company would have failed without his involvement, thereby giving him more than just a figurehead position. It was his faith in the company and determination that made Tesla what it eventually became. The loony left will only read and interpret what suits them.
Remarkable.
But, was he one of the ‘we’ who named it?
Kindly read my following post. The term “we” he used is also a figure of speech, not a grandiose claim to fame.
LOL
SCIENCE said:
LOL
Dumbarse.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:well all right fellas good luck correcting these argue bots
Well, if you read Musk’s involvement in Tesla, you will find that the company would have failed without his involvement, thereby giving him more than just a figurehead position. It was his faith in the company and determination that made Tesla what it eventually became. The loony left will only read and interpret what suits them.
Remarkable.
But, was he one of the ‘we’ who named it?
No.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:LOL
Dumbarse.
Here they come the dumbest of the dumb. Must have stamped on their nest.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:LOL
Dumbarse.
Here they come the dumbest of the dumb. Must have stamped on their nest.
You’re the one clasping at straws to support your failure to understand the simplest of concepts. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
Dumbarse.
♡♡♡
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Dumbarse.
Here they come the dumbest of the dumb. Must have stamped on their nest.
You’re the one clasping at straws to support your failure to understand the simplest of concepts. LOL Dumbarse.
^
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Dumbarse.
Here they come the dumbest of the dumb. Must have stamped on their nest.
You’re the one clasping at straws to support your failure to understand the simplest of concepts. LOL Dumbarse.
Musk very early on, especially after he purchased Twitter, realised that all the mindless would attack him at every opportunity whether it be fair or unfair and there was nothing he could do about it. Therefore, he very wisely decided to ignore them all and say GO FUCK YOURSELF, which is something you should also consider Witty.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Here they come the dumbest of the dumb. Must have stamped on their nest.
You’re the one clasping at straws to support your failure to understand the simplest of concepts. LOL Dumbarse.
Musk very early on, especially after he purchased Twitter, realised that all the mindless would attack him at every opportunity whether it be fair or unfair and there was nothing he could do about it. Therefore, he very wisely decided to ignore them all and say GO FUCK YOURSELF, which is something you should also consider Witty.
Again more bullshit from you fuckhead. Did he name Tesla? No. Simple. But I understand you have trouble with even the simplest of arguments. LOL Dumbarse,
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Well, if you read Musk’s involvement in Tesla, you will find that the company would have failed without his involvement, thereby giving him more than just a figurehead position. It was his faith in the company and determination that made Tesla what it eventually became. The loony left will only read and interpret what suits them.
Remarkable.
But, was he one of the ‘we’ who named it?
Kindly read my following post. The term “we” he used is also a figure of speech, not a grandiose claim to fame.
Yeah, i can dig that. He could have phrased it better, but, meh.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:LOL
Dumbarse.
Here they come the dumbest of the dumb. Must have stamped on their nest.
Did anyone else get a flash of ‘The Monkees’ theme song there?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re the one clasping at straws to support your failure to understand the simplest of concepts. LOL Dumbarse.
Musk very early on, especially after he purchased Twitter, realised that all the mindless would attack him at every opportunity whether it be fair or unfair and there was nothing he could do about it. Therefore, he very wisely decided to ignore them all and say GO FUCK YOURSELF, which is something you should also consider Witty.
Again more bullshit from you fuckhead. Did he name Tesla? No. Simple. But I understand you have trouble with even the simplest of arguments. LOL Dumbarse,
No explanation would satisfy you or the other Musk haters. I wonder if you have ever in conversation described the company you work for as “My Company” or “Our Company” etc., etc.
I am proud to be looney left. It’s the best way to be.
sarahs mum said:
I am proud to be looney left. It’s the best way to be.
You are in good company here.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Musk very early on, especially after he purchased Twitter, realised that all the mindless would attack him at every opportunity whether it be fair or unfair and there was nothing he could do about it. Therefore, he very wisely decided to ignore them all and say GO FUCK YOURSELF, which is something you should also consider Witty.
Again more bullshit from you fuckhead. Did he name Tesla? No. Simple. But I understand you have trouble with even the simplest of arguments. LOL Dumbarse,
No explanation would satisfy you or the other Musk haters. I wonder if you have ever in conversation described the company you work for as “My Company” or “Our Company” etc., etc.
More waffle from the moron. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Again more bullshit from you fuckhead. Did he name Tesla? No. Simple. But I understand you have trouble with even the simplest of arguments. LOL Dumbarse,
No explanation would satisfy you or the other Musk haters. I wonder if you have ever in conversation described the company you work for as “My Company” or “Our Company” etc., etc.
More waffle from the moron. LOL Dumbarse.
In the words of an exceptional man. Go Fuck Yourself. :))))
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
I am proud to be looney left. It’s the best way to be.
You are in good company here.
Yeah people who actually support the environment against the likes of Trump and Musk who care more for money than what’s best for the planet. LOL Dumbarse.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:No explanation would satisfy you or the other Musk haters. I wonder if you have ever in conversation described the company you work for as “My Company” or “Our Company” etc., etc.
More waffle from the moron. LOL Dumbarse.
In the words of an exceptional man. Go Fuck Yourself. :))))
LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
I am proud to be looney left. It’s the best way to be.
You are in good company here.
Yeah people who actually support the environment against the likes of Trump and Musk who care more for money than what’s best for the planet. LOL Dumbarse.
:)))) Stupid Boy.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:More waffle from the moron. LOL Dumbarse.
In the words of an exceptional man. Go Fuck Yourself. :))))
LOL Dumbarse.
:)))
Look at the fuckhead smiling in embarrassment at being called out for his stupidity. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Look at the fuckhead smiling in embarrassment at being called out for his stupidity. LOL Dumbarse.
dv has you well trained.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Look at the fuckhead smiling in embarrassment at being called out for his stupidity. LOL Dumbarse.
dv has you well trained.
You’re the puppy dog with your hero Elon fuckhead. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Look at the fuckhead smiling in embarrassment at being called out for his stupidity. LOL Dumbarse.
dv has you well trained.
You’re the puppy dog with your hero Elon fuckhead. LOL Dumbarse.
:))))))
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:dv has you well trained.
You’re the puppy dog with your hero Elon fuckhead. LOL Dumbarse.
:))))))
More embarrassment. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re the puppy dog with your hero Elon fuckhead. LOL Dumbarse.
:))))))
More embarrassment. LOL Dumbarse.
Only embarrassed for you and what you are prepared to do just for a tummy rub. :)))))))
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said::))))))
More embarrassment. LOL Dumbarse.
Only embarrassed for you and what you are prepared to do just for a tummy rub. :)))))))
No you are embarrassed that you’re a complete idiot with the social skills of a 5yo. It must be very lonely in a world where your only comfort is from moronic billionaires who don’t even know you. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:More embarrassment. LOL Dumbarse.
Only embarrassed for you and what you are prepared to do just for a tummy rub. :)))))))
No you are embarrassed that you’re a complete idiot with the social skills of a 5yo. It must be very lonely in a world where your only comfort is from moronic billionaires who don’t even know you. LOL Dumbarse.
I don’t need people with lots of money, or fuckwits like you, as I have a very nice place to live with lots of animals and plants that is just so, so much better than having to be pleasant or indebted to people like you. :)))
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Only embarrassed for you and what you are prepared to do just for a tummy rub. :)))))))
No you are embarrassed that you’re a complete idiot with the social skills of a 5yo. It must be very lonely in a world where your only comfort is from moronic billionaires who don’t even know you. LOL Dumbarse.
I don’t need people with lots of money, or fuckwits like you, as I have a very nice place to live with lots of animals and plants that is just so, so much better than having to be pleasant or indebted to people like you. :)))
Hah. Fuckhead couldn’t name his friends on one hand and lives in a fantasy world where his existence matters. So embarrassed that he has to make up lies that people gang-up on him because DO or DV says so. God you even claim Morrie threatened your life. Your life isn’t even worth ending it’s so insignificant. LOL Dumarse.
Kingy said:
It is the type of thing Witty would do and expect it to work.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:No you are embarrassed that you’re a complete idiot with the social skills of a 5yo. It must be very lonely in a world where your only comfort is from moronic billionaires who don’t even know you. LOL Dumbarse.
I don’t need people with lots of money, or fuckwits like you, as I have a very nice place to live with lots of animals and plants that is just so, so much better than having to be pleasant or indebted to people like you. :)))
Hah. Fuckhead couldn’t name his friends on one hand and lives in a fantasy world where his existence matters. So embarrassed that he has to make up lies that people gang-up on him because DO or DV says so. God you even claim Morrie threatened your life. Your life isn’t even worth ending it’s so insignificant. LOL Dumarse.
Witty you are such a liar and will say anything you think will improve your standing. For your information, Morrie said I threatened to shoot him, but when I demanded a retraction and an apology he got into a huff and left the forum. But there again why would you be interested in the facts. :))))
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I don’t need people with lots of money, or fuckwits like you, as I have a very nice place to live with lots of animals and plants that is just so, so much better than having to be pleasant or indebted to people like you. :)))
Hah. Fuckhead couldn’t name his friends on one hand and lives in a fantasy world where his existence matters. So embarrassed that he has to make up lies that people gang-up on him because DO or DV says so. God you even claim Morrie threatened your life. Your life isn’t even worth ending it’s so insignificant. LOL Dumarse.
Witty you are such a liar and will say anything you think will improve your standing. For your information, Morrie said I threatened to shoot him, but when I demanded a retraction and an apology he got into a huff and left the forum. But there again why would you be interested in the facts. :))))
Yeah I’m the liar. Hah. Still smiling, still embarrassed LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Hah. Fuckhead couldn’t name his friends on one hand and lives in a fantasy world where his existence matters. So embarrassed that he has to make up lies that people gang-up on him because DO or DV says so. God you even claim Morrie threatened your life. Your life isn’t even worth ending it’s so insignificant. LOL Dumarse.
Witty you are such a liar and will say anything you think will improve your standing. For your information, Morrie said I threatened to shoot him, but when I demanded a retraction and an apology he got into a huff and left the forum. But there again why would you be interested in the facts. :))))
Yeah I’m the liar. Hah. Still smiling, still embarrassed LOL Dumbarse.
Stupid Boy. :)))
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Witty you are such a liar and will say anything you think will improve your standing. For your information, Morrie said I threatened to shoot him, but when I demanded a retraction and an apology he got into a huff and left the forum. But there again why would you be interested in the facts. :))))
Yeah I’m the liar. Hah. Still smiling, still embarrassed LOL Dumbarse.
Stupid Boy. :)))
Sill smiling. Why don’t you go talk to the trees. Poor things can’t tell you how stupid you are nor uproot themselves and strangle you. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yeah I’m the liar. Hah. Still smiling, still embarrassed LOL Dumbarse.
Stupid Boy. :)))
Sill smiling. Why don’t you go talk to the trees. Poor things can’t tell you how stupid you are nor uproot themselves and strangle you. LOL Dumbarse.
You really are stupid. You cannot appreciate nature and just want to destroy and manipulate it at your whim and profit. This country has so many environmental problems thanks to people like you who simply don’t care or value it.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Stupid Boy. :)))
Sill smiling. Why don’t you go talk to the trees. Poor things can’t tell you how stupid you are nor uproot themselves and strangle you. LOL Dumbarse.
You really are stupid. You cannot appreciate nature and just want to destroy and manipulate it at your whim and profit. This country has so many environmental problems thanks to people like you who simply don’t care or value it.
Fuck you’re a moron. You just described your mates Trump and Musk. How you can’t understand your obvious hypocrisy and reason through the simplest of concepts really is beyond me. LOL Dumbarse.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Sill smiling. Why don’t you go talk to the trees. Poor things can’t tell you how stupid you are nor uproot themselves and strangle you. LOL Dumbarse.
You really are stupid. You cannot appreciate nature and just want to destroy and manipulate it at your whim and profit. This country has so many environmental problems thanks to people like you who simply don’t care or value it.
Fuck you’re a moron. You just described your mates Trump and Musk. How you can’t understand your obvious hypocrisy and reason through the simplest of concepts really is beyond me. LOL Dumbarse.
No, it is you and people like you who do not value nature other than to exploit it. It was the people who killed and drove the Aboriginals off their land, thinking them stupid and ignorant, not realising it was these people who were really the stupid ones. You are typical of the fools of long ago and never learnt a thing except the exploitation of land, animals, people and anything else they thought of value. These are your hero’s, not mine.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:You really are stupid. You cannot appreciate nature and just want to destroy and manipulate it at your whim and profit. This country has so many environmental problems thanks to people like you who simply don’t care or value it.
Fuck you’re a moron. You just described your mates Trump and Musk. How you can’t understand your obvious hypocrisy and reason through the simplest of concepts really is beyond me. LOL Dumbarse.
No, it is you and people like you who do not value nature other than to exploit it. It was the people who killed and drove the Aboriginals off their land, thinking them stupid and ignorant, not realising it was these people who were really the stupid ones. You are typical of the fools of long ago and never learnt a thing except the exploitation of land, animals, people and anything else they thought of value. These are your hero’s, not mine.
More waffle from the fuckhead who support Trump and Musk. LOL Dumbarse.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Stupid Boy. :)))
Sill smiling. Why don’t you go talk to the trees. Poor things can’t tell you how stupid you are nor uproot themselves and strangle you. LOL Dumbarse.
You really are stupid. You cannot appreciate nature and just want to destroy and manipulate it at your whim and profit. This country has so many environmental problems thanks to people like you who simply don’t care or value it.
and you believe that Elon Musk will fix all these errors made by our predecessors and perpetuated by ourselves?
Not. Elon is only interested in making billions. Nothing else.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuck you’re a moron. You just described your mates Trump and Musk. How you can’t understand your obvious hypocrisy and reason through the simplest of concepts really is beyond me. LOL Dumbarse.
No, it is you and people like you who do not value nature other than to exploit it. It was the people who killed and drove the Aboriginals off their land, thinking them stupid and ignorant, not realising it was these people who were really the stupid ones. You are typical of the fools of long ago and never learnt a thing except the exploitation of land, animals, people and anything else they thought of value. These are your hero’s, not mine.
More waffle from the fuckhead who support Trump and Musk. LOL Dumbarse.
That’s what you and your kind have done for requests from those that live with nature, you pass them off with contempt. You people make me sick; you call yourself Australian yet ignore what has and is being done to it.
Bogsnorkler said:
LOL
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:No, it is you and people like you who do not value nature other than to exploit it. It was the people who killed and drove the Aboriginals off their land, thinking them stupid and ignorant, not realising it was these people who were really the stupid ones. You are typical of the fools of long ago and never learnt a thing except the exploitation of land, animals, people and anything else they thought of value. These are your hero’s, not mine.
More waffle from the fuckhead who support Trump and Musk. LOL Dumbarse.
That’s what you and your kind have done for requests from those that live with nature, you pass them off with contempt. You people make me sick; you call yourself Australian yet ignore what has and is being done to it.
Waffle waffle waffle. But what could we expect from a so-called environmentalist who supports Trump and Musk? Your inability to discern your hypocrisy is baffling. LOL Dumbarse.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Sill smiling. Why don’t you go talk to the trees. Poor things can’t tell you how stupid you are nor uproot themselves and strangle you. LOL Dumbarse.
You really are stupid. You cannot appreciate nature and just want to destroy and manipulate it at your whim and profit. This country has so many environmental problems thanks to people like you who simply don’t care or value it.
and you believe that Elon Musk will fix all these errors made by our predecessors and perpetuated by ourselves?
Not. Elon is only interested in making billions. Nothing else.
For fuck sake, you don’t know what he will do. He might be an absolute bustard and wreck everything. On the other hand, he might be a savior, we just need to wait and see instead of drooling over all this stupid, stupid crap that is generated by the loony left.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:You really are stupid. You cannot appreciate nature and just want to destroy and manipulate it at your whim and profit. This country has so many environmental problems thanks to people like you who simply don’t care or value it.
and you believe that Elon Musk will fix all these errors made by our predecessors and perpetuated by ourselves?
Not. Elon is only interested in making billions. Nothing else.
For fuck sake, you don’t know what he will do. He might be an absolute bustard and wreck everything. On the other hand, he might be a savior, we just need to wait and see instead of drooling over all this stupid, stupid crap that is generated by the loony left.
Yes I both do and don’t know what he will do because he tells us. He changes his mind and tells us but I don’t see any money being spent on fixing the issues that dominate our environment. Not even a reference to possibly thinking about it.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:More waffle from the fuckhead who support Trump and Musk. LOL Dumbarse.
That’s what you and your kind have done for requests from those that live with nature, you pass them off with contempt. You people make me sick; you call yourself Australian yet ignore what has and is being done to it.
Waffle waffle waffle. But what could we expect from a so-called environmentalist who supports Trump and Musk? Your inability to discern your hypocrisy is baffling. LOL Dumbarse.
As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, and you are very blind who does not know it. :)))))
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:That’s what you and your kind have done for requests from those that live with nature, you pass them off with contempt. You people make me sick; you call yourself Australian yet ignore what has and is being done to it.
Waffle waffle waffle. But what could we expect from a so-called environmentalist who supports Trump and Musk? Your inability to discern your hypocrisy is baffling. LOL Dumbarse.
As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, and you are very blind who does not know it. :)))))
Is this like the El Nino/La Nina thing where you didn’t understand the simplest of environmental science? That Trump and Musk are to save the world? LOL Dumbarse.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:and you believe that Elon Musk will fix all these errors made by our predecessors and perpetuated by ourselves?
Not. Elon is only interested in making billions. Nothing else.
For fuck sake, you don’t know what he will do. He might be an absolute bustard and wreck everything. On the other hand, he might be a savior, we just need to wait and see instead of drooling over all this stupid, stupid crap that is generated by the loony left.
Yes I both do and don’t know what he will do because he tells us. He changes his mind and tells us but I don’t see any money being spent on fixing the issues that dominate our environment. Not even a reference to possibly thinking about it.
In a few months’ time we might glimpse what he is going to do. I can only suggest you read less of this stupid thread and wait to see what he does.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:For fuck sake, you don’t know what he will do. He might be an absolute bustard and wreck everything. On the other hand, he might be a savior, we just need to wait and see instead of drooling over all this stupid, stupid crap that is generated by the loony left.
Yes I both do and don’t know what he will do because he tells us. He changes his mind and tells us but I don’t see any money being spent on fixing the issues that dominate our environment. Not even a reference to possibly thinking about it.
In a few months’ time we might glimpse what he is going to do. I can only suggest you read less of this stupid thread and wait to see what he does.
I can’t wait until Musk shows his true colours and you fuck off in embarrassment and raise the IQ of this forum by about 10,000%. LOL Dumbarse.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:For fuck sake, you don’t know what he will do. He might be an absolute bustard and wreck everything. On the other hand, he might be a savior, we just need to wait and see instead of drooling over all this stupid, stupid crap that is generated by the loony left.
Yes I both do and don’t know what he will do because he tells us. He changes his mind and tells us but I don’t see any money being spent on fixing the issues that dominate our environment. Not even a reference to possibly thinking about it.
In a few months’ time we might glimpse what he is going to do. I can only suggest you read less of this stupid thread and wait to see what he does.
I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Waffle waffle waffle. But what could we expect from a so-called environmentalist who supports Trump and Musk? Your inability to discern your hypocrisy is baffling. LOL Dumbarse.
As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, and you are very blind who does not know it. :)))))
Is this like the El Nino/La Nina thing where you didn’t understand the simplest of environmental science? That Trump and Musk are to save the world? LOL Dumbarse.
It is you that does not understand the El Nino/La Nina thing as it is far more complicated than you think. I suggest you look them up on Google to get a better appreciation.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:Yes I both do and don’t know what he will do because he tells us. He changes his mind and tells us but I don’t see any money being spent on fixing the issues that dominate our environment. Not even a reference to possibly thinking about it.
In a few months’ time we might glimpse what he is going to do. I can only suggest you read less of this stupid thread and wait to see what he does.
I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
It does to the likes of fuckhead here who values money over everything.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:Yes I both do and don’t know what he will do because he tells us. He changes his mind and tells us but I don’t see any money being spent on fixing the issues that dominate our environment. Not even a reference to possibly thinking about it.
In a few months’ time we might glimpse what he is going to do. I can only suggest you read less of this stupid thread and wait to see what he does.
I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
Trump is NOT Musk and nobody voted for Musk.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:As usual you don’t know what you are talking about. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, and you are very blind who does not know it. :)))))
Is this like the El Nino/La Nina thing where you didn’t understand the simplest of environmental science? That Trump and Musk are to save the world? LOL Dumbarse.
It is you that does not understand the El Nino/La Nina thing as it is far more complicated than you think. I suggest you look them up on Google to get a better appreciation.
Hah. Ignoring the fact that Stumpy had to explain to you how La Nina/El Nino alternate and don’t happen at the same time the idea that someone stupid enough to support Trump and idolize Musk could teach me anything is hilarious. LOL Dumbarse.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:In a few months’ time we might glimpse what he is going to do. I can only suggest you read less of this stupid thread and wait to see what he does.
I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
Trump is NOT Musk and nobody voted for Musk.
No but Musk made a fuckload of money off backing Trump.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:In a few months’ time we might glimpse what he is going to do. I can only suggest you read less of this stupid thread and wait to see what he does.
I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
It does to the likes of fuckhead here who values money over everything.
You are such a barefaced liar, you will say anything to achieve what you want. You are more like Trump, than Trump himself.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
Trump is NOT Musk and nobody voted for Musk.
No but Musk made a fuckload of money off backing Trump.
For a tenth the price he could have arranged an accurate shooter.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
It does to the likes of fuckhead here who values money over everything.
You are such a barefaced liar, you will say anything to achieve what you want. You are more like Trump, than Trump himself.
If i’m like Trump you’d love me just like your hero Elon does. LOL Dumbarse
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is this like the El Nino/La Nina thing where you didn’t understand the simplest of environmental science? That Trump and Musk are to save the world? LOL Dumbarse.
It is you that does not understand the El Nino/La Nina thing as it is far more complicated than you think. I suggest you look them up on Google to get a better appreciation.
Hah. Ignoring the fact that Stumpy had to explain to you how La Nina/El Nino alternate and don’t happen at the same time the idea that someone stupid enough to support Trump and idolize Musk could teach me anything is hilarious. LOL Dumbarse.
I suggest you Google to see what actually happens.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:I’m waiting but I don’t hold out much hope.
Anyone who backed Trump at this election is obviously short a fair amount of sheep in the top paddock. He may have made a lot of money but that doesn’t make the man.
Trump is NOT Musk and nobody voted for Musk.
No but Musk made a fuckload of money off backing Trump.
Blame him for that too. Look I am getting sick and tired trying to convince you of anything.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:It is you that does not understand the El Nino/La Nina thing as it is far more complicated than you think. I suggest you look them up on Google to get a better appreciation.
Hah. Ignoring the fact that Stumpy had to explain to you how La Nina/El Nino alternate and don’t happen at the same time the idea that someone stupid enough to support Trump and idolize Musk could teach me anything is hilarious. LOL Dumbarse.
I suggest you Google to see what actually happens.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It does to the likes of fuckhead here who values money over everything.
You are such a barefaced liar, you will say anything to achieve what you want. You are more like Trump, than Trump himself.
If i’m like Trump you’d love me just like your hero Elon does. LOL Dumbarse
Like Musk, I cannot get anywhere here so in his immoral words, go fuck yourself fool.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:You are such a barefaced liar, you will say anything to achieve what you want. You are more like Trump, than Trump himself.
If i’m like Trump you’d love me just like your hero Elon does. LOL Dumbarse
Like Musk, I cannot get anywhere here so in his immoral words, go fuck yourself fool.
I think you may mean immortal.. but hey that works too
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:You are such a barefaced liar, you will say anything to achieve what you want. You are more like Trump, than Trump himself.
If i’m like Trump you’d love me just like your hero Elon does. LOL Dumbarse
Like Musk, I cannot get anywhere here so in his immoral words, go fuck yourself fool.
Yeah Elon is pretty immoral. LOL Dumbarse.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Trump is NOT Musk and nobody voted for Musk.
No but Musk made a fuckload of money off backing Trump.
Blame him for that too. Look I am getting sick and tired trying to convince you of anything.
Of course I can blame him for that he invested some quarter of a billion in order to win the money back on the stock exchange. He backed Trump for the win. Yes like a good rich kid, he had a win but it will all come crashing down on him like a ton of bricks.
diddly-squat said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:If i’m like Trump you’d love me just like your hero Elon does. LOL Dumbarse
Like Musk, I cannot get anywhere here so in his immoral words, go fuck yourself fool.
I think you may mean immortal.. but hey that works too
Yes accidently left the “t” out, like part of my brain trying to converse with the forum idiot.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:No but Musk made a fuckload of money off backing Trump.
Blame him for that too. Look I am getting sick and tired trying to convince you of anything.
Of course I can blame him for that he invested some quarter of a billion in order to win the money back on the stock exchange. He backed Trump for the win. Yes like a good rich kid, he had a win but it will all come crashing down on him like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, yeah. Just wait and see.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Blame him for that too. Look I am getting sick and tired trying to convince you of anything.
Of course I can blame him for that he invested some quarter of a billion in order to win the money back on the stock exchange. He backed Trump for the win. Yes like a good rich kid, he had a win but it will all come crashing down on him like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, yeah. Just wait and see.
LOL Dumbarse.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Blame him for that too. Look I am getting sick and tired trying to convince you of anything.
Of course I can blame him for that he invested some quarter of a billion in order to win the money back on the stock exchange. He backed Trump for the win. Yes like a good rich kid, he had a win but it will all come crashing down on him like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, yeah. Just wait and see.
Don’t worry I am waiting and I will see.
kii said:
:)
kii said:
:)
Bogsnorkler said:
wait so he’s going to stop all the mass shooters we knew he was a good guy like the oldumbars said fuck
Bogsnorkler said:
How do we test whether or not Musk wrote that?
I’ll try to balance the hate posts with love posts from now on.
Still waiting for this to happen.
Spiny Norman said:
Still waiting for this to happen.
Heh!
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Still waiting for this to happen.
Heh!
The election is rigged.
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.
Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.
pretty sure they will
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.
pretty sure they will
Unfortunately, I think you might be correct.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.
pretty sure they will
Unfortunately, I think you might be correct.
He wants ALL the money in the world.
Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.
He has a lot of money.
Australian politicians like money, very much.
Work it out for yourself.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.He has a lot of money.
Australian politicians like money, very much.
Work it out for yourself.
Does sums on the back of a coaster.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.He has a lot of money.
Australian politicians like money, very much.
Work it out for yourself.
Does sums on the back of a coaster.
…and no matter how you do them, the result is always the same.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.He has a lot of money.
Australian politicians like money, very much.
Work it out for yourself.
Why would someone motivated by the getting of money choose a career where they are underpaid and overworked for the responsibilities of the job, especially compared to the private sector?
Further you do realise that people often suspect of other people what they know to be true of themselves? So my question to you is what in your background makes you so money grubbing?
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
I hope Musk does not meddle in Australian politics.He has a lot of money.
Australian politicians like money, very much.
Work it out for yourself.
Why would someone motivated by the getting of money choose a career where they are underpaid and overworked for the responsibilities of the job, especially compared to the private sector?
Further you do realise that people often suspect of other people what they know to be true of themselves? So my question to you is what in your background makes you so money grubbing?
I blame society.
Do you reckon Elon has aspirations to become Cyberleader
Cymek said:
Do you reckon Elon has aspirations to become Cyberleader
Cyberman man
Cymek said:
Do you reckon Elon has aspirations to become Cyberleader
He just wants to be liked.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Do you reckon Elon has aspirations to become Cyberleader
He just wants to be liked.
Reckon so.
I can’t find it now, but a few weeks ago I watched a video that detailed how Musk ordered the number of ‘likes’ on one of his tweets to be multiplied by ten, so it’d have a lot more likes that a very similar tweet by someone else famous.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Do you reckon Elon has aspirations to become Cyberleader
He just wants to be liked.
shrug they love their dear leader in dprk why not dprna then
Why is Tesla selling fewer cars?
By Liam Denning
January 3, 2025 — 11.43am
The strange thing about Tesla’s latest results is that a company touting leadership in artificial intelligence and self-driving cars struggles to predict where its own sales will be in a couple of months.
In late October, Tesla surprised markets by announcing it expected a “slight increase” in annual vehicle sales in 2024, implying the company would move around 515,000 in the fourth quarter. Wall Street analysts, who had been slashing their forecasts for fourth-quarter sales for the best part of a year, duly reversed course and the consensus estimate jumped to almost that number.
As it turns out, sales came in at about 496,000.
Companies do miss guidance, of course. But in this case, Tesla had pointedly challenged the prevailing view on the street about one of the easiest figures for any enterprise to predict, let alone one that has rebranded itself as an AI giant.
Tesla’s resetting of expectations in October, with chief executive Elon Musk doubling down by also teasing 20 per cent -30 per cent growth in vehicle sales in 2025, came at a helpful time. Tesla’s robotaxi unveiling earlier that month was a flop, continuing a long-running tradition of overpromising and under-delivering when it comes to autonomous driving.
There was suddenly a buoyant outlook for EVs: Tesla’s stock jumped by 22 per cent the next day, more than erasing the losses after the robotaxi disappointment.
Given the company’s unanticipated optimism didn’t pan out, I guess Tesla’s computing chops, formidable as they doubtlessly are, still need some honing.
Tesla’s stock has, of course, soared to even greater heights since then, hitting an all-time peak valuation of $US1.54 trillion ($2.48 trillion) last month. That owes more to the election of Musk’s newest pal, President-elect Donald Trump, and a sense that proximity to power will somehow boost Tesla’s fortunes.
The likelihood that Trump’s antipathy to electric vehicles would suppress Tesla’s sales in its home market didn’t register with investors, who also seemed to disregard that Musk’s increasingly strident support for Trump and various right-wing causes might also present a headwind for sales of vehicles that are geared toward addressing climate change and have, hitherto, hewed toward blue states.
A visceral reminder of that strange juxtaposition was delivered on New Year’s Day with the explosion of a Tesla Cybertruck outside a Trump-branded hotel in Las Vegas, even if the underlying details of what occurred are yet to be uncovered.
One person died and seven more were injured when a Tesla truck caught fire and exploded outside President-elect Donald Trump’s Las Vegas hotel, authorities said.
The latest sales figures are less open to interpretation. Tesla, a company whose profits are overwhelmingly tied to sales of EVs and is priced for incredible growth, recorded a drop in annual vehicle sales for the first time in more than a decade.
Beneath the headline numbers, Tesla sold about 36,000 more vehicles than it produced in the fourth quarter. On one hand, that is helpful in clearing some of the big build-up of unsold vehicles that has marked the past two years, and should offer a cash-flow tailwind from working capital when full results are released later this month.
On the other hand, slower production raises unit costs and clearing inventory means discounting, squeezing margins.
When Tesla sold a similar number of vehicles over and above production in the second quarter, underlying gross margin dropped 13 per cent compared with the prior quarter to less than $6,000 per vehicle, the lowest in at least six years. There was also a notable jump in the proportion of deliveries made under leases.
Returning to the Cybertruck, it is also remarkable that sales of Tesla’s premium-priced models increased by only 3 per cent in the fourth quarter, year over year. In other words, despite Tesla’s premium line-up having expanded from two models — the Models S and X — to three at the end of 2023, overall sales in that segment are essentially flat. The Cybertruck has cannibalised rather than added to sales of Tesla’s higher-priced EVs.
Tesla’s stock duly fell a little on Thursday morning, and it is now down by almost a fifth from its post-election peak. It still sports a forward earnings multiple that is, at about 120 times, more than three times that of Nvidia, to pick a useful benchmark. Tesla may have trouble seeing the future, even just months out, but remains priced to own it nonetheless.
Liam Denning is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist covering energy. A former banker, he edited the Wall Street Journal’s Heard on the Street column and wrote the Financial Times’s Lex column.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/why-is-tesla-selling-fewer-cars-20250103-p5l1v0.html
Is it not the case that Elon reaping considerable reward from the carbon credits that his production of EVs attracts, rather than the profits from the vehicles themselves, which drives his interest?
I seem to remember learning something of that nature a couple of years back, so i might be referring to an outdated scenario.
captain_spalding said:
Is it not the case that Elon reaping considerable reward from the carbon credits that his production of EVs attracts, rather than the profits from the vehicles themselves, which drives his interest?I seem to remember learning something of that nature a couple of years back, so i might be referring to an outdated scenario.
Poiky has said this. It might have been the case years back when most EVs were Teslas but I doubt it still applies given Tesla’s now diminished market share.
Bogsnorkler said:
:)
Hi Dr Nick!
dv said:
Hi Dr Nick!
I was about to post this! Damnation and tarnation!
kii said:
dv said:
Hi Dr Nick!
I was about to post this! Damnation and tarnation!
well that proves it this felon dude is an absolute genius because there is no limit to how big an absolute cunt he is
dv said:
Hi Dr Nick!
FMD!
captain_spalding said:
Is it not the case that Elon reaping considerable reward from the carbon credits that his production of EVs attracts, rather than the profits from the vehicles themselves, which drives his interest?I seem to remember learning something of that nature a couple of years back, so i might be referring to an outdated scenario.
although we think the felon dude is a piece of shit we also seem to remember that it was considered fair to wrap environmental impacts into the price of goods and services themselves ¿ surely
‘How Elon Musk took over Tesla using money, strong-arm tactics, and his own popularity’
https://www.theverge.com/23815634/tesla-elon-musk-origin-founder-twitter-land-of-the-giants
Incudes a play-back of the podcast episode referenced in the article.
I express no opinion as to the veracity of the article or podcast, or the import of remarks therein. Provide as a point of information.
dv said:
and someone said he was supposed to be smart with money.
“Escalation of rhetoric, trying to divert the narrative after the Tesla cybertruck explosion to their resilience (!) and what is this madness on c-sections? Also self confessed ketamine addict, this is getting worse by the day.”
Comment from a member of The MFW Coven Facebook page.
kii said:
“Escalation of rhetoric, trying to divert the narrative after the Tesla cybertruck explosion to their resilience (!) and what is this madness on c-sections? Also self confessed ketamine addict, this is getting worse by the day.”Comment from a member of The MFW Coven Facebook page.
IHMAMAA,
but why is his statement untrue?
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
“Escalation of rhetoric, trying to divert the narrative after the Tesla cybertruck explosion to their resilience (!) and what is this madness on c-sections? Also self confessed ketamine addict, this is getting worse by the day.”Comment from a member of The MFW Coven Facebook page.
IHMAMAA,
but why is his statement untrue?
I’d guess it’s because there’s no no correlation between the 4 factors of type of birth, head size, eventual brain size, and intelligence.
The Rev Dodgson said:
IHMAMAA
I beg your pardon…are you having a stroke?
kii said:
The Rev Dodgson said:IHMAMAA
I beg your pardon…are you having a stroke?
I hate Musk as much as anyone
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
“Escalation of rhetoric, trying to divert the narrative after the Tesla cybertruck explosion to their resilience (!) and what is this madness on c-sections? Also self confessed ketamine addict, this is getting worse by the day.”Comment from a member of The MFW Coven Facebook page.
IHMAMAA,
but why is his statement untrue?
I’d guess it’s because there’s no no correlation between the 4 factors of type of birth, head size, eventual brain size, and intelligence.
Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
Elon Musk turns on Nigel Farage, calls on him to quit as Reform party leader
By Rob Harris
January 6, 2025 — 5.49am
London: Elon Musk’s tempestuous relationship with the UK took a turn when the tech billionaire called for populist figure Nigel Farage to be replaced as leader of the Reform party, after the British politician refused to endorse some of Musk’s latest online claims.
The Tesla boss, poised to play a key role in US President-elect Donald Trump’s second administration, had previously heaped praise on Farage, urging people to “vote Reform”, and calling the party the UK’s “only hope”.
Musk has repeatedly posted on his social media platform X about UK politics since Labour was elected in July – from Sir Keir Starmer’s response to the summer riots to the country’s tax policy.
Over the past week, Musk has posted dozens of times about a historical scandal involving sexual grooming gangs in the north of England, mainly to complain about failures in holding perpetrators to account. The tensions around the scandal contributed to race riots that took place in August, during which Musk also clashed with the British government.
On Friday, Musk claimed Starmer was “complicit in the rape of Britain”, in reference to the now-prime minister’s previous role as director of public prosecutions for England and Wales when evidence of the gangs came to light over a decade ago.
He also described Jess Phillips, the UK’s minister for safeguarding and violence against women and girls, as a “rape genocide apologist” and a “wicked witch” and has endorsed social media posts calling on King Charles to dissolve parliament and call an election.
In a sign of growing differences, on Sunday Farage refused to endorse Musk’s language relating to Starmer and Phillips. “I don’t agree with everything he stands for,” he told the BBC.
Musk has also repeatedly called for jailed anti-Islam campaigner Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and who has been in prison since October for contempt of court, to be freed. Robinson admitted in court to breaching an injunction against repeating claims about a Syrian refugee schoolboy after losing a 2021 libel case.
Farage has spent years trying to distance himself from Robinson, who has been previously jailed for assault and mortgage fraud, and told the BBC he was “not what we need” in the Reform party.
Pressed on whether he thought Musk’s comments about British political figures were acceptable, Farage said: “The fact that Musk supports me and supports Reform doesn’t mean as two grown-ups we have to agree with everything the other says.” He added: “But I do believe in free speech. I think he’s a hero.”
In a post on his social media site, Musk later said Farage “doesn’t have what it takes” to lead the party – but did not expand on his reasoning. He then posted positively about Reform MP Rupert Lowe, saying “his statements online that I have read so far make a lot of sense”.
After Musk’s X post, Farage responded by quoting it and writing: “Well, this is a surprise! Elon is a remarkable individual but on this, I am afraid I disagree. My view remains that Tommy Robinson is not right for Reform and I never sell out my principles.”
Musk met Farage in December at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, a meeting which Farage described as “historic” and “great”. Farage told the BBC he planned to “have a conversation with on a variety of things” – including Robinson – at Trump’s inauguration later this month.
A leading figure in the UK’s referendum vote to leave the European Union, Farage founded Reform UK in 2018, then called the Brexit Party, and returned as the party’s leader before being elected as an MP in 2024 along with four others.
Reform’s roughly four million votes translates into a 14 per cent share of the total votes cast in the election, handing Labour several seats across the country at the Conservative Party’s expense.
There had been growing speculation that the world’s richest man was planning to make a significant financial intervention into British politics, as he did in the 2024 US election which saw Donald Trump win and Musk gain the president-elect’s ear and a role advising on a major government shake-up.
Musk later posted approvingly about a piece written by Conservative Party leader Kemi Badenoch in The Mail on Sunday in which she called for a full public enquiry into the scandal of numerous separate gangs of South Asian men abusing girls in towns around the country.
Britain is one of several European countries where Musk is trying to replicate the influence he wielded on behalf of Trump in the US election.
In Germany, his advocacy of a far-right party with neo-Nazi ties, Alternative for Germany, has enraged the mainstream parties.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/elon-musk-turns-on-nigel-farage-calls-on-him-to-quit-as-reform-party-leader-20250106-p5l285.html
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk turns on Nigel Farage, calls on him to quit as Reform party leaderBy Rob Harris
January 6, 2025 — 5.49amLondon: Elon Musk’s tempestuous relationship with the UK took a turn when the tech billionaire called for populist figure Nigel Farage to be replaced as leader of the Reform party, after the British politician refused to endorse some of Musk’s latest online claims.
dv said:
No. Why should he?
Oh, consider Henry Ford.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:IHMAMAA,
but why is his statement untrue?
I’d guess it’s because there’s no no correlation between the 4 factors of type of birth, head size, eventual brain size, and intelligence.
Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I’d guess it’s because there’s no no correlation between the 4 factors of type of birth, head size, eventual brain size, and intelligence.
Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Does cranium (and by extrapolation brain) size at birth correlate with brain size at 25 years (adult)?
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Does cranium (and by extrapolation brain) size at birth correlate with brain size at 25 years (adult)?
I must admit that I was assuming it does with no evidence one way or the other, but it is likely that it does, isn’t it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I’d guess it’s because there’s no no correlation between the 4 factors of type of birth, head size, eventual brain size, and intelligence.
Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
only if they breed. plus what is the death rate of large headed babies from normal births? c-sections aren’t just carried out for large headed babies. a large head doesn’t mean a large brain and a large brain doesn’t equal a greater intelligence.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Does cranium (and by extrapolation brain) size at birth correlate with brain size at 25 years (adult)?
might just be big boned so the cranium volume is the same as a smaller small boned individual.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Does cranium (and by extrapolation brain) size at birth correlate with brain size at 25 years (adult)?
I must admit that I was assuming it does with no evidence one way or the other, but it is likely that it does, isn’t it?
I wouldn’t have thought so, but I only have general observation to go by. I don’t know if small babies are necessarily small adults. When I was in early primary school I was tall for my age. I turned into a 5’4” adult. Which is short for my cohort.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Of course, i may well be wrong but…
…i thought that evolution worked when chance mutation(s) conferred an advantage on some individuals that gave them better access to necessary resources, leading to improved rates of survivability (and passing on of genes) for those individuals over members of the species not so blessed by mutation.
Unless there’s a breakdown of human society, with the loss of all of its legal protections for citizens, and the loss of social and moral standards, and the disappearance of modern health care (including ,probably, Caesareans), and the collapse of economies and distribution networks, then i have doubts as to how the ‘big brains’ will find a way to exploit their ‘advantage’.
I suppose they could organise the extermination of all of the ‘small-brain dumb-bums’, but hey, somebody’s got to pick the goddamn cotton.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Of course, i may well be wrong but…
…i thought that evolution worked when chance mutation(s) conferred an advantage on some individuals that gave them better access to necessary resources, leading to improved rates of survivability (and passing on of genes) for those individuals over members of the species not so blessed by mutation.
Unless there’s a breakdown of human society, with the loss of all of its legal protections for citizens, and the loss of social and moral standards, and the disappearance of modern health care (including ,probably, Caesareans), and the collapse of economies and distribution networks, then i have doubts as to how the ‘big brains’ will find a way to exploit their ‘advantage’.
I suppose they could organise the extermination of all of the ‘small-brain dumb-bums’, but hey, somebody’s got to pick the goddamn cotton.
That’s part of how it works. The other part is that characteristics that confer a disadvantage do not get passed on, or are passed on in reduced numbers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Does cranium (and by extrapolation brain) size at birth correlate with brain size at 25 years (adult)?
I must admit that I was assuming it does with no evidence one way or the other, but it is likely that it does, isn’t it?
Birth weight and head size at birth is related mainly to whether the pregnancy goes to term I imagine.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The other part is that characteristics that confer a disadvantage do not get passed on, or are passed on in reduced numbers.
Well, yeah, ‘cause those characteristics or mutations don’t do so well at competing for the resources, or attracting mates, so they drop out of the game. Dead.
Unless there’s a reversion to the law of the jungle amongst humans, and unless, in that case, the ‘big brains’ find a way to leverage their ‘big brains’ into an advantage over the less-cerebrally-favoured, it seems unlikely that they’ll become the majority/dominant representative of humanity.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The other part is that characteristics that confer a disadvantage do not get passed on, or are passed on in reduced numbers.Well, yeah, ‘cause those characteristics or mutations don’t do so well at competing for the resources, or attracting mates, so they drop out of the game. Dead.
Unless there’s a reversion to the law of the jungle amongst humans, and unless, in that case, the ‘big brains’ find a way to leverage their ‘big brains’ into an advantage over the less-cerebrally-favoured, it seems unlikely that they’ll become the majority/dominant representative of humanity.
My suggestion was that they would become more common than they are now, not that they would become the majority.
I haven’t seen any convincing arguments otherwise yet.
The Rev Dodgson said:
My suggestion was that they would become more common than they are now, not that they would become the majority.
I haven’t seen any convincing arguments otherwise yet.
OK, i understand.
Perhaps it’s a question of statistics: how numerous and/or frequent would ‘big-brain’ Caesarean births have to become to significantly affects the stats for ‘average brain size’?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I’d guess it’s because there’s no no correlation between the 4 factors of type of birth, head size, eventual brain size, and intelligence.
Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Cesarean births are not always about large heads.
My father’s children all had above average head circumference. All birthed vaginally. Smart bastards all and have trouble finding hats to fit.
We also produce larger than average birth weight bubs.
Sometimes a Caesar is required for the incorrect position of the baby during the birthing process. My son #1 was almost an emergency Caesar as he was presenting face forward, yay for forceps…
Also, from memory, other things like STDs can mean a vaginal birth is dangerous for the kid. Or the mother is unable to carry to term…cervix issues etc.
Anyway, I’m going back to watching Vikings kill each other and critiquing the costumes and jewellery.
dv said:
To me anyone that poses in front of flag is someone to keep an eye on.
Flag posing is such a propaganda tool.
dv said:
Shouldn’t that read ‘it’s time those five people left in the world who don’t know, know’?
kii said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Cesarean births are not always about large heads.
My father’s children all had above average head circumference. All birthed vaginally. Smart bastards all and have trouble finding hats to fit.
We also produce larger than average birth weight bubs.Sometimes a Caesar is required for the incorrect position of the baby during the birthing process. My son #1 was almost an emergency Caesar as he was presenting face forward, yay for forceps…
Also, from memory, other things like STDs can mean a vaginal birth is dangerous for the kid. Or the mother is unable to carry to term…cervix issues etc.
Anyway, I’m going back to watching Vikings kill each other and critiquing the costumes and jewellery.
Sure, but there are at least some babies with a large skull diameter who survived with C Section, who would not have survived without it, and it seems quite likely they will increase the average brain size.
That’s all.
Cymek said:
dv said:
To me anyone that poses in front of flag is someone to keep an eye on.
Flag posing is such a propaganda tool.
Keep an eye on? Elon should be under observation in a psych hospital with his recent behaviour…
What if he’s really Adrian Dittman, and all this time, he’s just been pretending to be Elon Musk?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
To me anyone that poses in front of flag is someone to keep an eye on.
Flag posing is such a propaganda tool.
Keep an eye on? Elon should be under observation in a psych hospital with his recent behaviour…
That is true
dv said:
Ummm. We already did, Dipshit.
captain_spalding said:
What if he’s really Adrian Dittman, and all this time, he’s just been pretending to be Elon Musk?
Now there’s a thought…
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
What if he’s really Adrian Dittman, and all this time, he’s just been pretending to be Elon Musk?
Now there’s a thought…
I thought he was loony tunes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
To me anyone that poses in front of flag is someone to keep an eye on.
Flag posing is such a propaganda tool.
Keep an eye on? Elon should be under observation in a psych hospital with his recent behaviour…
I think the toddler vibe is rubbing off on him…
captain_spalding said:
What if he’s really Adrian Dittman, and all this time, he’s just been pretending to be Elon Musk?
You read my mind!
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:Plus I don’t think evolution works like that.
The statement doesn’t actually mention evolution or intelligence, but assuming that C sections do actually allow the live birth of babies with larger brains then over time there will be more surviving large brains, and the average brain size will increase.
That’s exactly how evolution works.
Th
Does cranium (and by extrapolation brain) size at birth correlate with brain size at 25 years (adult)?
yes
Michael V said:
dv said:
No. Why should he?
Oh, consider Henry Ford.
maybe compared to raising the universal basic income from 0 it’s a terrible idea
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elon-musk-father-errol-debunks-controversial-claims_n_67475372e4b08e4755035f4e
Elon Musk’s Dad Debunks Bullying Memories And Much More In Freewheeling Interview
Errol Musk discussed everything from emerald mines to his son’s shifting opinion of Donald Trump during a recent podcast appearance
Asked if the tech billionaire was bullied as a child, as Musk has claimed, his father remembered things a bit differently.
“No, that’s another story that’s not exactly true,” Errol Musk said.
According to the elder Musk, one high school-era incident Elon has repeated — when a classmate pushed him down a stairwell, leaving him hospitalized — actually began when Elon antagonized another boy about his father’s suicide.
“Some boy’s father had committed suicide and everyone knew, and Elon said to this boy, ‘Your father was stupid,’” Errol Musk said. He agreed that the man’s suicide was “stupid.” But even police and school authorities, he recalled, told Errol that “what Elon had said to this boy is too much. You can’t say that.”
dv said:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elon-musk-father-errol-debunks-controversial-claims_n_67475372e4b08e4755035f4eElon Musk’s Dad Debunks Bullying Memories And Much More In Freewheeling Interview
Errol Musk discussed everything from emerald mines to his son’s shifting opinion of Donald Trump during a recent podcast appearanceAsked if the tech billionaire was bullied as a child, as Musk has claimed, his father remembered things a bit differently.
“No, that’s another story that’s not exactly true,” Errol Musk said.
According to the elder Musk, one high school-era incident Elon has repeated — when a classmate pushed him down a stairwell, leaving him hospitalized — actually began when Elon antagonized another boy about his father’s suicide.
“Some boy’s father had committed suicide and everyone knew, and Elon said to this boy, ‘Your father was stupid,’” Errol Musk said. He agreed that the man’s suicide was “stupid.” But even police and school authorities, he recalled, told Errol that “what Elon had said to this boy is too much. You can’t say that.”
Huh.
The spots aren’t changing.
dv said:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elon-musk-father-errol-debunks-controversial-claims_n_67475372e4b08e4755035f4eElon Musk’s Dad Debunks Bullying Memories And Much More In Freewheeling Interview
Errol Musk discussed everything from emerald mines to his son’s shifting opinion of Donald Trump during a recent podcast appearanceAsked if the tech billionaire was bullied as a child, as Musk has claimed, his father remembered things a bit differently.
“No, that’s another story that’s not exactly true,” Errol Musk said.
According to the elder Musk, one high school-era incident Elon has repeated — when a classmate pushed him down a stairwell, leaving him hospitalized — actually began when Elon antagonized another boy about his father’s suicide.
“Some boy’s father had committed suicide and everyone knew, and Elon said to this boy, ‘Your father was stupid,’” Errol Musk said. He agreed that the man’s suicide was “stupid.” But even police and school authorities, he recalled, told Errol that “what Elon had said to this boy is too much. You can’t say that.”
During an interview in 2017, Elon Musk described his father as “evil” and a “terrible human being”.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Elon Musk’s Dad Debunks Bullying Memories And Much More In Freewheeling Interview
Errol Musk discussed everything from emerald mines to his son’s shifting opinion of Donald Trump during a recent podcast appearanceAsked if the tech billionaire was bullied as a child, as Musk has claimed, his father remembered things a bit differently.
“No, that’s another story that’s not exactly true,” Errol Musk said.
According to the elder Musk, one high school-era incident Elon has repeated — when a classmate pushed him down a stairwell, leaving him hospitalized — actually began when Elon antagonized another boy about his father’s suicide.
“Some boy’s father had committed suicide and everyone knew, and Elon said to this boy, ‘Your father was stupid,’” Errol Musk said. He agreed that the man’s suicide was “stupid.” But even police and school authorities, he recalled, told Errol that “what Elon had said to this boy is too much. You can’t say that.”
Huh.
The spots aren’t changing.
it’s been said it there that the age of online social media is the age of perpetual kiddult adolescence
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
He really is becoming a claptrapist looney posting gibberish in some kind of try-hard way to fit in with his new mates.
Witty Rejoinder said:
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
I blocked the f’wit on Twitter ages ago so I don’t see anything he posts.
It’s nicer like that.
Witty Rejoinder said:
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
Bloody!
Musk!
party_pants said:
He really is becoming a claptrapist looney posting gibberish in some kind of try-hard way to fit in with his new mates.
But, his supporters will tell you that he’s merely misunderstood, a genius who’s the victim of a leftist conspiracy, and whose visionary ideas ought to be given a fair hearing.
Who can say?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
He really is becoming a claptrapist looney posting gibberish in some kind of try-hard way to fit in with his new mates.
But, his supporters will tell you that he’s merely misunderstood, a genius who’s the victim of a leftist conspiracy, and whose visionary ideas ought to be given a fair hearing.
Who can say?
Disinterested parties observing from afar.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
He really is becoming a claptrapist looney posting gibberish in some kind of try-hard way to fit in with his new mates.
But, his supporters will tell you that he’s merely misunderstood, a genius who’s the victim of a leftist conspiracy, and whose visionary ideas ought to be given a fair hearing.
Who can say?
Disinterested parties observing from afar.
trouble is we all live on the same damn earth so we’re clearly all biased
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:But, his supporters will tell you that he’s merely misunderstood, a genius who’s the victim of a leftist conspiracy, and whose visionary ideas ought to be given a fair hearing.
Who can say?
Disinterested parties observing from afar.
Musk’s reach is not limited to the USA. Nowhere is afar.
dv said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:But, his supporters will tell you that he’s merely misunderstood, a genius who’s the victim of a leftist conspiracy, and whose visionary ideas ought to be given a fair hearing.
Who can say?
Disinterested parties observing from afar.
Musk’s reach is not limited to the USA. Nowhere is afar.
Mars
wait.
Witty Rejoinder said:
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
What an utter bastard he is.
But hey, I mentioned climate change in another forum and got this:
guess it depends on who you ask…
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
What an utter bastard he is.
But hey, I mentioned climate change in another forum and got this:
guess it depends on who you ask…
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
What an utter bastard he is.
But hey, I mentioned climate change in another forum and got this:
guess it depends on who you ask…
From The New Answers Book 3 Copyright 2009 by Answers in Genesis
You know who Answers in Genesis are, don’t you? If not, look them up.
buffy said:
You know who Answers in Genesis are, don’t you? If not, look them up.
No and I’m not interested. I simly told the person that answers in Genesis is not a recent scientific document and instantly got a couple of likes.
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
What an utter bastard he is.
But hey, I mentioned climate change in another forum and got this:
guess it depends on who you ask…
I wonder if the 16th century transition was influenced by the documented rewilding of vast swathes of the new world following the disease based collapse of human population there at that time.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
As Los Angeles burns, Elon Musk stokes partisan outrage
Musk’s use of X to amplify far-right narratives about the disaster underscores how the close adviser to Trump may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.January 10, 2025 at 11:18 a.m. ESTToday at 11:18 a.m. EST
By Pranshu Verma, Will Oremus and Trisha Thadani
As flames have engulfed large swaths of Los Angeles, Elon Musk has been inundating his 212 million followers with posts casting blame for the blazes on Democrats and diversity policies, amplifying narratives that have taken hold among far-right activists and Republican leaders, including President-elect Donald Trump.
Musk has posted or replied to more than 80 posts about the fire, many of which pinned the devastation on liberal policies, in some cases based on false claims or racist ideas, according to a Washington Post analysis.
He downplayed the role of climate change, placing blame on individual female firefighters of color and lesbian firefighters, including posting their names and faces. He boosted an hour-long propaganda video by right-wing conspiracy theorist Alex Jones that claimed the fires were “part of a larger globalist plot” to cause the collapse of the United States; Musk replied simply, “True.” And he repeatedly amplified claims that the Los Angeles Fire Department’s investments in diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs cost lives by wasting money that could have been spent on disaster response, suggesting that the destruction could have been mitigated if more White men had been retained.
Musk’s use of X to stoke partisan outrage and conspiracy theories about the disaster underscores how a platform once viewed as a global hub for breaking news has transformed into a megaphone for the political views of its owner. It also shows how the billionaire, who holds no official office but is a close adviser to the president-elect, may use his unprecedented online reach to bolster the incoming administration.
Musk has seized on prominent natural disasters and other news events to promote partisan misinformation. Last year, he responded to Boeing’s safety issues and cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike’s massive global tech outage by bashing the companies’ DEI initiatives. He helped fuel right-wing conspiracy theories that complicated rescue efforts as remnants of Hurricane Helene devastated North Carolina.
California state officials say they are struggling to combat Musk’s ability to stoke chaos in a fast-moving crisis. Brandon Richards, who leads Gov. Gavin Newsom’s rapid-response communication efforts, said accounts such as Musk’s make it more difficult to manage disaster response. When large accounts get involved, it’s a “totally different ballgame” that allows misinformation to quickly snowball, he added.
“You’re not just battling a false narrative on one account,” he said. “You’re battling a false narrative on several major accounts and then all of the people that are regurgitating their content.”
When prominent accounts such as Musk’s spread false or divisive narratives about the state’s response, it can make it difficult for the people affected to find reliable information.
“If people don’t trust their government, but the government is saying you are in an evacuation zone and need to evacuate people, people might not do that, or they might do it too late,” Richards said.
Musk and X did not respond to a request for comment.
X, formerly Twitter, has long been a hub for breaking news about disasters — and, for just as long, a hub for viral hoaxes and unsubstantiated claims about them. In 2012, Photoshopped images of sharks swimming down flooded freeways mingled with citizen journalism and mainstream news articles about Hurricane Sandy.
In the years before Musk bought the company, it had worked to elevate reputable sources and counteract falsehoods, hiring a team of former journalists to curate its “trending” section. Public agencies came to rely on it as a utility to reach the media and public with real-time updates in crises such as 2022’s Hurricane Ian.
But since Musk’s 2022 purchase of the site, X has been transformed. The company has cut the bulk of its trust and safety team, replaced professional fact-checking with crowdsourced “Community Notes,” and downgraded posts that link to news articles while elevating those of conservative and right-wing influencers who pay for blue verification check marks once reserved mostly for public figures and the press.
With more than 200 million followers and a habit of posting around-the-clock, Musk has the loudest online megaphone in U.S. politics. A recent Post analysis found that his online reach far outstrips that of accounts for major political figures, including President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris — and even Trump.
X’s user base is far smaller than those of some other social media sites, like Facebook, but it has long held outsize influence in breaking news and politics. Musk’s newfound role as one of Trump’s closest advisers has increased the weight of what he says on the platform. Musk posts far more about politics now than he did in the past: Nearly 40 percent of his posts in October and November focused on electoral politics, according to The Post’s analysis, a sharp uptick compared with previous months.
While the bulk of his posts on X are one-word replies or emojis, Musk is increasingly using the platform to wield political influence with the masses. Since Trump’s reelection — Musk donated at least $277 million to the campaign — the billionaire entrepreneur has triggered a huge political fight by pressuring Congress to scrap a compromise spending bill; rankled the president-elect’s advisers by criticizing a Cabinet pick to his millions of followers; and clashed with far-right activists on H-1B visas.
Musk has also become increasingly vocal on a range of national news events, at times spreading false information to millions of people.
During the presidential election, Musk stoked a conspiracy theory that because Michigan had registered more voters than there are eligible voting-age adults, it indicated mass fraud in the swing state, a claim that got 32 million views. The assertion was debunked by state election officials, who said federal law requires the state to keep voters on its rolls until they have missed two elections.
Musk claimed after Hurricane Helene that private relief flights to North Carolina were being blocked by the Federal Aviation Administration, a claim refuted by Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.
On Thursday afternoon, the Southern California wildfires topped X’s trending “news” tab, with a post from Musk the first to surface when users clicked on it. Of the top four posts, including Musk’s, three were from conservatives blaming Democrats for the destruction. In a post on X, Musk downplayed the role of climate change, faulting “overregulation” and “bad governance” for a disaster that scientists say is probably linked to climate-change-fueled effects on California’s atmosphere.
Many of Musk’s posts matched themes gaining traction with Trump and far-right activists. The president-elect accused Newsom of failing to control the fires. Musk joined in Thursday, saying: “New government is needed for California.” In response to a post about the Los Angeles Fire Department by right-wing X account Libs of TikTok, Musk said the department had “prioritized DEI over saving lives and homes.”
Social media experts said the discourse on X around the Palisades Fire stands in contrast to that around previous disastrous events.
“X used to be the place to go to for accurate information in emergencies,” said Renée DiResta, a research professor at Georgetown University who studies online influence. “But changes to how the platform curates content and the increasing prevalence of economically motivated ragemongers have made it far less useful for that.”
But even as X has become less reliable in some respects, it remains the de facto online hub for real-time news on fast-moving crises, said Isabelle Frances-Wright, director of technology and society at the nonprofit Institute for Strategic Dialogue. That’s thanks in part to pullbacks from news and politics by rivals Meta and TikTok and the declining influence of mainstream media. So when the discourse on X revolves around blaming certain groups for natural disasters, that can have a real impact on public perception.
“A lot of people who are generally disconnected from civic or public events, the time when they tune in is around these major crises,” Frances-Wright said. “So the way these events are framed, particularly when framed around the broader failings of politicians or political parties, can really shape people’s view of the country longer-term.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/10/elon-musk-la-fires-misinformation-california-palisades/?
What an utter bastard he is.
But hey, I mentioned climate change in another forum and got this:
guess it depends on who you ask…
I wonder if the 16th century transition was influenced by the documented rewilding of vast swathes of the new world following the disease based collapse of human population there at that time.
Entirely possible.
roughbarked said:
buffy said:
You know who Answers in Genesis are, don’t you? If not, look them up.
No and I’m not interested. I simly told the person that answers in Genesis is not a recent scientific document and instantly got a couple of likes.
and so the social media hooks land
dv said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:But, his supporters will tell you that he’s merely misunderstood, a genius who’s the victim of a leftist conspiracy, and whose visionary ideas ought to be given a fair hearing.
Who can say?
Disinterested parties observing from afar.
Musk’s reach is not limited to the USA. Nowhere is afar.
If everyone outside of the DSA:
- stops using X and closes their account
- stops buying Tesla EVs
- stops using StarLink
Then his reach will be confined to the DSA.
party_pants said:
dv said:Michael V said:
Disinterested parties observing from afar.
Musk’s reach is not limited to the USA. Nowhere is afar.
If everyone outside of the DSA:
- stops using X and closes their account
- stops buying Tesla EVs
- stops using StarLinkThen his reach will be confined to the DSA.
I already do all of the above.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Disinterested parties observing from afar.
Musk’s reach is not limited to the USA. Nowhere is afar.
If everyone outside of the DSA:
- stops using X and closes their account
- stops buying Tesla EVs
- stops using StarLinkThen his reach will be confined to the DSA.
see you communists just want to control what everyone does
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Musk’s reach is not limited to the USA. Nowhere is afar.
If everyone outside of the DSA:
- stops using X and closes their account
- stops buying Tesla EVs
- stops using StarLinkThen his reach will be confined to the DSA.
see you communists just want to control what everyone does
Why do you always put it on us? What’s wrong with you taking some of the blame?
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Musk’s reach is not limited to the USA. Nowhere is afar.
If everyone outside of the DSA:
- stops using X and closes their account
- stops buying Tesla EVs
- stops using StarLinkThen his reach will be confined to the DSA.
see you communists just want to control what everyone does
Oh, I’m a 7th columnist, and nothing to do with those communist nutters.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
If everyone outside of the DSA:
- stops using X and closes their account
- stops buying Tesla EVs
- stops using StarLinkThen his reach will be confined to the DSA.
see you communists just want to control what everyone does
Oh, I’m a 7th columnist, and nothing to do with those communist nutters.
Yeah, lave the fifth in the dark past.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:see you communists just want to control what everyone does
Oh, I’m a 7th columnist, and nothing to do with those communist nutters.
Yeah, lave the fifth in the dark past.
I’ve lost count how many columns we’re up to…
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Oh, I’m a 7th columnist, and nothing to do with those communist nutters.
Yeah, lave the fifth in the dark past.
I’ve lost count how many columns we’re up to…
we’ve passed doric if that is any help.
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yeah, lave the fifth in the dark past.
I’ve lost count how many columns we’re up to…
we’ve passed doric if that is any help.
Isn’t it Ionic, don’t you think?
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yeah, lave the fifth in the dark past.
I’ve lost count how many columns we’re up to…
we’ve passed doric if that is any help.
what about reichs there’s gotta be a few of those
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yeah, lave the fifth in the dark past.
I’ve lost count how many columns we’re up to…
we’ve passed doric if that is any help.
:)
party_pants said:
ChrispenEvan said:
party_pants said:I’ve lost count how many columns we’re up to…
we’ve passed doric if that is any help.
Isn’t it Ionic, don’t you think?
It’s the good advice that you didn’t take.
LOL, you know you have it wrong when David Icke has a go
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL, you know you have it wrong when David Icke has a go
He’s just a hater ‘cos Musk is a Reptilian.
Jonathan Pie – ‘Truth and Lies’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R19bBpUw-U
ChrispenEvan said:
LOL, you know you have it wrong when David Icke has a go
:)
And Musk is a colossal f’wit.
Still.
Spiny Norman said:
And Musk is a colossal f’wit.
Still.
All this can only get worse until he runs out of money to spend on it.
kii said:
That’s weird for an “altruistic” man to say
Isn’t Woke just not being a “insert rude word” to people different to you and not being offended because they don’t conform to your version of normality.
The Musk NWO is which the same as the old world order but even more controlled
Cymek said:
kii said:
That’s weird for an “altruistic” man to say
Isn’t Woke just not being a “insert rude word” to people different to you and not being offended because they don’t conform to your version of normality.
The Musk NWO is which the same as the old world order but even more controlled
apparently calling them woke is funny but calling them deplorable is shit
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
kii said:
That’s weird for an “altruistic” man to say
Isn’t Woke just not being a “insert rude word” to people different to you and not being offended because they don’t conform to your version of normality.
The Musk NWO is which the same as the old world order but even more controlled
apparently calling them woke is funny but calling them deplorable is shit
Conservatives
kii said:
Fair comment.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
kii said:
That’s weird for an “altruistic” man to say
Isn’t Woke just not being a “insert rude word” to people different to you and not being offended because they don’t conform to your version of normality.
The Musk NWO is which the same as the old world order but even more controlled
apparently calling them woke is funny but calling them deplorable is shit
Seemingly.
https://www.threads.net/@thetnholler/post/DEwMIeYsd6R?xmt=AQGzKY7-2E2vg7T5G49Pb—l0C0hIxK32njficV67zEhog
Musk wastes the time of the fire command team, they push back on his bullshit
dv said:
https://www.threads.net/@thetnholler/post/DEwMIeYsd6R?xmt=AQGzKY7-2E2vg7T5G49Pb—l0C0hIxK32njficV67zEhogMusk wastes the time of the fire command team, they push back on his bullshit
Good!
Musk – nicely dispatched.
Philwankthropy
dv said:
Philwankthropy
The Musk Foundation is a US-based charitable foundation funded and directed primarily by entrepreneur and billionaire Elon Musk. The foundation is dedicated to promoting renewable energy, crewed space exploration, pediatrics, science and engineering education, and the “development of safe artificial intelligence for the benefit of humanity”. At the end of 2022, the foundation had assets of US$5 billion, $4.5 billion of which were in the form of shares in the carmaker Tesla.
dv said:
Philwankthropy
is this in principle different to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation though
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Philwankthropy
is this in principle different to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation though
They don’t what to be Cyber Controller
dv said:
Philwankthropy
Criticism
Both the selection of recipients of donations and a relatively low payout ratio have been criticized. In 2021 and 2022, the Musk Foundation awarded less than 5% of its assets in donations, after its assets grew to several billion dollars. This means that it fell short of the legal minimum donation required to maintain its tax-exempt status. The Guardian criticized the fact that the foundation financed various projects of Musk and his family members, although this is not unusual for billionaires and wealthy donors. The New York Times concluded that through 2022, about half of the Musk Foundation’s grants went to organizations “tied” to Musk, one of his employees, or one of his companies. Musk’s philanthropy would be “largely self-serving.”
According to the biographer Walter Isaacson, Musk has little interest in philanthropy. He believes that he can do more for humanity by leaving his money in his companies and pursuing the goals of sustainable energy, space exploration and AI safety with them.
On December 12, 2024, The New York Times reported the foundation again awarded less than 5% of its assets in donations in 2024.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Philwankthropy
is this in principle different to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation though
or tiggy forest? on the local level…
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Philwankthropy
Criticism
Both the selection of recipients of donations and a relatively low payout ratio have been criticized. In 2021 and 2022, the Musk Foundation awarded less than 5% of its assets in donations, after its assets grew to several billion dollars. This means that it fell short of the legal minimum donation required to maintain its tax-exempt status. The Guardian criticized the fact that the foundation financed various projects of Musk and his family members, although this is not unusual for billionaires and wealthy donors. The New York Times concluded that through 2022, about half of the Musk Foundation’s grants went to organizations “tied” to Musk, one of his employees, or one of his companies. Musk’s philanthropy would be “largely self-serving.”According to the biographer Walter Isaacson, Musk has little interest in philanthropy. He believes that he can do more for humanity by leaving his money in his companies and pursuing the goals of sustainable energy, space exploration and AI safety with them.
On December 12, 2024, The New York Times reported the foundation again awarded less than 5% of its assets in donations in 2024.
5% of 5 billion dollars is still a hell of a lot of money, which with the remaining money invested, will produce other very large sums to be given away.
blinded by the $$$ damn the idiots
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
Whilst the amount is important, the gesture is equally so.
You give them your last $20 its much more of a gesture
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
Grasping at straws?
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
Whilst the amount is important, the gesture is equally so.
You give them your last $20 its much more of a gesture
Gestures are only useful to your ego.
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
Whilst the amount is important, the gesture is equally so.
You give them your last $20 its much more of a gesture
Gestures are only useful to your ego.
True
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Philwankthropy
is this in principle different to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation though
Yes.
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
I have pretty different ideas about the Gates Foundation spending money to distribute vaccines and develop cancer treatments than I do about the Musk Foundation being a way for Elon to get a tax benefit for spending on his hobbies: AI, robotics, spacecraft.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
I have pretty different ideas about the Gates Foundation spending money to distribute vaccines and develop cancer treatments than I do about the Musk Foundation being a way for Elon to get a tax benefit for spending on his hobbies: AI, robotics, spacecraft.
People reckon they are testing vaccines and other drugs on 3rd world people and its dangerous.
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
Whilst the amount is important, the gesture is equally so.
You give them your last $20 its much more of a gesture
Gestures are only useful to your ego.
some gestures are good to wind up others.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
I have pretty different ideas about the Gates Foundation spending money to distribute vaccines and develop cancer treatments than I do about the Musk Foundation being a way for Elon to get a tax benefit for spending on his hobbies: AI, robotics, spacecraft.
People reckon they are testing vaccines and other drugs on 3rd world people and its dangerous.
don’t forget the microchips that gates et alia are injecting into unsuspecting victims of
wait
oh shit
oh fuck
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
I have pretty different ideas about the Gates Foundation spending money to distribute vaccines and develop cancer treatments than I do about the Musk Foundation being a way for Elon to get a tax benefit for spending on his hobbies: AI, robotics, spacecraft.
People reckon they are testing vaccines and other drugs on 3rd world people and its dangerous.
don’t forget the microchips that gates et alia are injecting into unsuspecting victims of
wait
oh shit
oh fuck
There’s so much information about this on the internet that any victims should be regarded as suspecting victims by now.
Cymek said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
I’m not really fussed about billionaire philanthropists running their own charities given they may wish to spend their money on the issues that they feel most passionate about: however it should be noted that Elon chose to spend roughly the same amount of money on charitable causes this past year that he did on getting Trump elected. Make of that what you will.
I have pretty different ideas about the Gates Foundation spending money to distribute vaccines and develop cancer treatments than I do about the Musk Foundation being a way for Elon to get a tax benefit for spending on his hobbies: AI, robotics, spacecraft.
People reckon they are testing vaccines and other drugs on 3rd world people and its dangerous.
But they are not doing that. People make up all sorts of nonsense.
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
dv said:I have pretty different ideas about the Gates Foundation spending money to distribute vaccines and develop cancer treatments than I do about the Musk Foundation being a way for Elon to get a tax benefit for spending on his hobbies: AI, robotics, spacecraft.
People reckon they are testing vaccines and other drugs on 3rd world people and its dangerous.
But they are not doing that. People make up all sorts of nonsense.
You don’t say! :)))
The Trouble with Elon
Sam Harris
I didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
The last line in Sam’s article:
“So why spend time spreading lies on X?”
Answer: because the cruelty is the point.
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
Thanks for this.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
The last line in Sam’s article:
“So why spend time spreading lies on X?”
Answer: because the cruelty is the point.
I wonder if he tortured animals as a youngster?
Elon Musk Fraud Gamer Situation is Pathetic
Spiny Norman said:
Elon Musk Fraud Gamer Situation is Pathetic
From loookng at that I also saw; The world’s smartest idiot
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Elon Musk Fraud Gamer Situation is PatheticFrom loookng at that I also saw; The world’s smartest idiot
who cares about games when you can win at life
oh
wait
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Elon Musk Fraud Gamer Situation is PatheticFrom loookng at that I also saw; The world’s smartest idiot
who cares about games when you can win at life
oh
wait
A man who couldn’t find his arse with two hands and a radar.
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
Ta. I don’t recall hearing of him before.
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
Ta. I don’t recall hearing of him before.
He’s one of the so-called “new atheists”.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:From loookng at that I also saw; The world’s smartest idiot
who cares about games when you can win at life
oh
wait
A man who couldn’t find his arse with two hands and a radar.
why did they put a radar up there
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:who cares about games when you can win at life
oh
wait
A man who couldn’t find his arse with two hands and a radar.
why did they put a radar up there
Well, there’s plenty who think that the sun radiates out of his bum, so why not radar signals as well?
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:who cares about games when you can win at life
oh
wait
A man who couldn’t find his arse with two hands and a radar.
why did they put a radar up there
Don’t think ‘they’ had anything to do with it.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:A man who couldn’t find his arse with two hands and a radar.
why did they put a radar up there
Don’t think ‘they’ had anything to do with it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
I also had never heard of him.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:A man who couldn’t find his arse with two hands and a radar.
why did they put a radar up there
Don’t think ‘they’ had anything to do with it.
‘They’ being Grey aliens? There’s always probing arseholes.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
I also had never heard of him.
Add my name to that list.
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:why did they put a radar up there
Don’t think ‘they’ had anything to do with it.
‘They’ being Grey aliens? There’s always probing arseholes.
Could be them.
Can imagine one of them suggesting, “hey, let’s go after one of the biggest arseholes on the planet!”.
And the rest wrote itself.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:Don’t think ‘they’ had anything to do with it.
‘They’ being Grey aliens? There’s always probing arseholes.
Could be them.
Can imagine one of them suggesting, “hey, let’s go after one of the biggest arseholes on the planet!”.
And the rest wrote itself.
Sounds like they fell right into it.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
‘They’ being Grey aliens? There’s always probing arseholes.
Could be them.
Can imagine one of them suggesting, “hey, let’s go after one of the biggest arseholes on the planet!”.
And the rest wrote itself.
Sounds like they fell right into it.
^ ^^ ^^^
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
IHHOHT
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
IHHOHT
IHHOHAA,E
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Trouble with Elon
Sam HarrisI didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.
IHHOH (Sam Harris that is), but know nothing about him, so
here’s TATE on Harris
IHHOHT
IHAHOHBIDGAFWYT
Context: EM has been accused of cheating in online games. He’s used the account of his former partner to post a defence.
dv said:
Context: EM has been accused of cheating in online games. He’s used the account of his former partner to post a defence.
Thanks for the explanation.
That’s pretty bad, even for him.
The restraint of her response was admirable.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Context: EM has been accused of cheating in online games. He’s used the account of his former partner to post a defence.
Thanks for the explanation.
That’s pretty bad, even for him.
The restraint of her response was admirable.
so he cheats at real life as well damn what a surprise
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Context: EM has been accused of cheating in online games. He’s used the account of his former partner to post a defence.
Thanks for the explanation.
That’s pretty bad, even for him.
The restraint of her response was admirable.
so he cheats at real life as well damn what a surprise
Does he have access to any X account?
How many posts has he made on Trump’s account?
(If Trump has an account that is, I don’t follow these things)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Context: EM has been accused of cheating in online games. He’s used the account of his former partner to post a defence.
Thanks for the explanation.
That’s pretty bad, even for him.
The restraint of her response was admirable.
The Rev Dodgson said:
No wonder Wookie is missing in action: he’s got the ear of Elon.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
No wonder Wookie is missing in action: he’s got the ear of Elon.
OK, that could explain a lot.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
No wonder Wookie is missing in action: he’s got the ear of Elon.
hang about! what’s this ear then?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Fool.
He needs an off button.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Fool.
OK, there’s a chance, just a chance, that Elon may be right.
But, he does his standpoint no credit by carrying on in such a way that he suggests that he’s wtting his pants with excitement over it.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Fool.
OK, there’s a chance, just a chance, that Elon may be right.
But, he does his standpoint no credit by carrying on in such a way that he suggests that he’s wtting his pants with excitement over it.
wetting
The Rev Dodgson said:
More like they’ll go to war united against Trump.
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
I think it is just time for some secret service within the EU to just kill him.
party_pants said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
I think it is just time for some secret service within the EU to just kill him.
Stop it you’ll make PF cry!
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
I think it is just time for some secret service within the EU to just kill him.
Stop it you’ll make PF cry!
PF shown in purple
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
I think it is just time for some secret service within the EU to just kill him.
Stop it you’ll make PF cry!
I don’t care.
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Where does he stand on the Jews, he asked expectantly.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Where does he stand on the Jews, he asked expectantly.
He has a history of platforming Qanon advocates, an antisemitic conspiracy theory.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Where does he stand on the Jews, he asked expectantly.
probably on their neck.
ChrispenEvan said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Where does he stand on the Jews, he asked expectantly.
probably on their neck.
Bingo.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Where does he stand on the Jews, he asked expectantly.
He has a history of platforming Qanon advocates, an antisemitic conspiracy theory.
CtTOI he’s always banging on about George Soros which seems to be code among those types.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Where does he stand on the Jews, he asked expectantly.
on their throats, just like any other peasants.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:I think it is just time for some secret service within the EU to just kill him.
Stop it you’ll make PF cry!
I don’t care.
As a master of witty rejoinders I reckon you should have gone with ‘It’s win-win!’.
:-)
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Stop it you’ll make PF cry!
I don’t care.
As a master of witty rejoinders I reckon you should have gone with ‘It’s win-win!’.
:-)
I don’t actually care about PF. Making him neither laugh nor cry matters to me. He can do his own thing, I’ll do mine.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:I don’t care.
As a master of witty rejoinders I reckon you should have gone with ‘It’s win-win!’.
:-)
I don’t actually care about PF. Making him neither laugh nor cry matters to me. He can do his own thing, I’ll do mine.
Indifference is certainly an option.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:As a master of witty rejoinders I reckon you should have gone with ‘It’s win-win!’.
:-)
I don’t actually care about PF. Making him neither laugh nor cry matters to me. He can do his own thing, I’ll do mine.
Indifference is certainly an option.
I want him to be happy.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:As a master of witty rejoinders I reckon you should have gone with ‘It’s win-win!’.
:-)
I don’t actually care about PF. Making him neither laugh nor cry matters to me. He can do his own thing, I’ll do mine.
Indifference is certainly an option.
it is not indifference. It is an conscious and active “you don’t matter as a human being anymore” thing.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:I don’t actually care about PF. Making him neither laugh nor cry matters to me. He can do his own thing, I’ll do mine.
Indifference is certainly an option.
it is not indifference. It is an conscious and active “you don’t matter as a human being anymore” thing.
LOL
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Indifference is certainly an option.
it is not indifference. It is an conscious and active “you don’t matter as a human being anymore” thing.
LOL
The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:I think it is just time for some secret service within the EU to just kill him.
Stop it you’ll make PF cry!
PF shown in purple
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Stop it you’ll make PF cry!
PF shown in purple
:)
:)))
ruby said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
PF shown in purple
:)
:)))
ah the old shrinking violet defence
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:it is not indifference. It is an conscious and active “you don’t matter as a human being anymore” thing.
LOL
The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:LOL
The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
it is more about hating forumites and so won’t be given up. bit like kii hating roughbarked. they don’t care about dignity. just hate.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:LOL
The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
You should look at yourself: Pathological hatred is a type of extreme and uncontrollable emotion1that can have a negative effect on the mental health of the individual2. Pathological hatred may be related to the lack of protection and nurturing in the early stages of life2. Pathological hatred can cause a person to lie, harm others, or harm themselves21. Wiki
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
You should look at yourself: Pathological hatred is a type of extreme and uncontrollable emotion1that can have a negative effect on the mental health of the individual2. Pathological hatred may be related to the lack of protection and nurturing in the early stages of life2. Pathological hatred can cause a person to lie, harm others, or harm themselves21. Wiki
I concur, but I don’t really hate anyone, let alone pathologically.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
it is more about hating forumites and so won’t be given up. bit like kii hating roughbarked. they don’t care about dignity. just hate.
LOL, pavlovs dog.
Poor ol’ PF.
Someone did some real damage, somewhere back there.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
it is more about hating forumites and so won’t be given up. bit like kii hating roughbarked. they don’t care about dignity. just hate.
It is you idiots that are attacking me. Are you really that blind to your own failings?
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:The Loony Left at its best. It is not surprising Trump won when compared with its high level of stupidity.
You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
it is more about hating forumites and so won’t be given up. bit like kii hating roughbarked. they don’t care about dignity. just hate.
He’s just a moron. Claims to be an environmentalist but is too stupid to recognize the hypocrisy of supporting Musk and Trump while they gut the Paris Agreement.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
You should look at yourself: Pathological hatred is a type of extreme and uncontrollable emotion1that can have a negative effect on the mental health of the individual2. Pathological hatred may be related to the lack of protection and nurturing in the early stages of life2. Pathological hatred can cause a person to lie, harm others, or harm themselves21. Wiki
I concur, but I don’t really hate anyone, let alone pathologically.
LOL
Elon Musk, you can’t get him out of your mind.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
You should look at yourself: Pathological hatred is a type of extreme and uncontrollable emotion1that can have a negative effect on the mental health of the individual2. Pathological hatred may be related to the lack of protection and nurturing in the early stages of life2. Pathological hatred can cause a person to lie, harm others, or harm themselves21. Wiki
I concur, but I don’t really hate anyone, let alone pathologically.
waste of emotional time to hate that much. just hurt yourself.
captain_spalding said:
Poor ol’ PF.Someone did some real damage, somewhere back there.
Yes, I unfortunately encountered too many people like you.
Lets get ready to rumble.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:You demean yourself. At some point you’re going to have to get off this ride if only for the sake of your dignity.
it is more about hating forumites and so won’t be given up. bit like kii hating roughbarked. they don’t care about dignity. just hate.
He’s just a moron. Claims to be an environmentalist but is too stupid to recognize the hypocrisy of supporting Musk and Trump while they gut the Paris Agreement.
There you go again, make up lies and disinformation and attribute them to others. I repeat yet again. I do not support Trump or his policies, nor do I support Musk other than to correct the slanderous rubbish you and others here seem to have a pathological urge to pursue. It is really you Left Wing Loonies who should be looking at what you say and do.
dv said:
makes sense
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
makes sense
BTW I now realise that the X is not rotationally symmetrical. How annoying.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
Poor ol’ PF.Someone did some real damage, somewhere back there.
Yes, I unfortunately encountered too many people like you.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
You’ve got a lot of anger, and it most likely comes from your dealings with people. Is it that they don’t sufficiently appreciate you or your opinions and abilities?
And the Forum is a good outlet for it. A reliable source of familiar targets, some of whom are bound to respond to tried-and-true pokes and prods, in ways that are also familiar and manageable. A battlefield that you can turn on and off as you please, at whatever stage of the conflict suits you. Your opponents are not ‘real’, you don’t have to deal with them in other settings, and they can’t do any real harm to you.
It’s probably good for you, something therapeutic. Stick with the Forum, the sparring is harmless at worst, and perhaps helpful to you, at least in the short term.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
Poor ol’ PF.Someone did some real damage, somewhere back there.
Yes, I unfortunately encountered too many people like you.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
You’ve got a lot of anger, and it most likely comes from your dealings with people. Is it that they don’t sufficiently appreciate you or your opinions and abilities?
And the Forum is a good outlet for it. A reliable source of familiar targets, some of whom are bound to respond to tried-and-true pokes and prods, in ways that are also familiar and manageable. A battlefield that you can turn on and off as you please, at whatever stage of the conflict suits you. Your opponents are not ‘real’, you don’t have to deal with them in other settings, and they can’t do any real harm to you.
It’s probably good for you, something therapeutic. Stick with the Forum, the sparring is harmless at worst, and perhaps helpful to you, at least in the short term.
Jesus Christ, what a conceited twerp you are, it is you trying to upset me. You mean absolutely nothing to me nor do the rest of the loonies, in fact I am ignoring most of your posts these days. If you did not attack me, I would gladly ignore you.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
Poor ol’ PF.Someone did some real damage, somewhere back there.
Yes, I unfortunately encountered too many people like you.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
You’ve got a lot of anger, and it most likely comes from your dealings with people. Is it that they don’t sufficiently appreciate you or your opinions and abilities?
And the Forum is a good outlet for it. A reliable source of familiar targets, some of whom are bound to respond to tried-and-true pokes and prods, in ways that are also familiar and manageable. A battlefield that you can turn on and off as you please, at whatever stage of the conflict suits you. Your opponents are not ‘real’, you don’t have to deal with them in other settings, and they can’t do any real harm to you.
It’s probably good for you, something therapeutic. Stick with the Forum, the sparring is harmless at worst, and perhaps helpful to you, at least in the short term.
Nah it would be better if he topped himself.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Yes, I unfortunately encountered too many people like you.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
You’ve got a lot of anger, and it most likely comes from your dealings with people. Is it that they don’t sufficiently appreciate you or your opinions and abilities?
And the Forum is a good outlet for it. A reliable source of familiar targets, some of whom are bound to respond to tried-and-true pokes and prods, in ways that are also familiar and manageable. A battlefield that you can turn on and off as you please, at whatever stage of the conflict suits you. Your opponents are not ‘real’, you don’t have to deal with them in other settings, and they can’t do any real harm to you.
It’s probably good for you, something therapeutic. Stick with the Forum, the sparring is harmless at worst, and perhaps helpful to you, at least in the short term.
Jesus Christ, what a conceited twerp you are, it is you trying to upset me. You mean absolutely nothing to me nor do the rest of the loonies, in fact I am ignoring most of your posts these days. If you did not attack me, I would gladly ignore you.
Oh, no, you’ve got it all wrong.
I’m not trying to upset you. Crikey, i doubt that i could upset you more than you already are.
I just see someone who’s apparently having a tough time, and, it seems, using the Forum as one way of coping. Perhaps it’s just one strategy among several that you’re using.
People resort to all sorts of things to find outlets for frustration and hostility, and the internet has provided a vast multitude of opportunities to do just that. Thank goodness that it came along when it did, or else, who knows where all that sort of energy would be directed. Taking on a bunch of ‘enemies’ on the internet is (usually) the least likely to produce actual harm.
If you enjoy doing that, then keep on with it. It’s unlikely to change anything in the world, but it might be of use to you right now. Which is not to say that there might not be advantage in seeking other remedies.
I don’t matter to you, and you, in the long run, certainly don’t matter to me. You’re just some poor bugger somewhere on the continent, struggling with his own set of demons, like the rest of us. Ultimately, you, me, and all of us here are expendable, disposable, and of little import.
Look after yourself, OK?
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Yes, I unfortunately encountered too many people like you.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
You’ve got a lot of anger, and it most likely comes from your dealings with people. Is it that they don’t sufficiently appreciate you or your opinions and abilities?
And the Forum is a good outlet for it. A reliable source of familiar targets, some of whom are bound to respond to tried-and-true pokes and prods, in ways that are also familiar and manageable. A battlefield that you can turn on and off as you please, at whatever stage of the conflict suits you. Your opponents are not ‘real’, you don’t have to deal with them in other settings, and they can’t do any real harm to you.
It’s probably good for you, something therapeutic. Stick with the Forum, the sparring is harmless at worst, and perhaps helpful to you, at least in the short term.
Nah it would be better if he topped himself.
Thank you for the suggestion. It is a good thing that I am not suicidal, as you are just the type of thug to push them over the edge with your slanderous lies and degrading comment.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Yeah, that’s probably it.
You’ve got a lot of anger, and it most likely comes from your dealings with people. Is it that they don’t sufficiently appreciate you or your opinions and abilities?
And the Forum is a good outlet for it. A reliable source of familiar targets, some of whom are bound to respond to tried-and-true pokes and prods, in ways that are also familiar and manageable. A battlefield that you can turn on and off as you please, at whatever stage of the conflict suits you. Your opponents are not ‘real’, you don’t have to deal with them in other settings, and they can’t do any real harm to you.
It’s probably good for you, something therapeutic. Stick with the Forum, the sparring is harmless at worst, and perhaps helpful to you, at least in the short term.
Jesus Christ, what a conceited twerp you are, it is you trying to upset me. You mean absolutely nothing to me nor do the rest of the loonies, in fact I am ignoring most of your posts these days. If you did not attack me, I would gladly ignore you.
Oh, no, you’ve got it all wrong.
I’m not trying to upset you. Crikey, i doubt that i could upset you more than you already are.
I just see someone who’s apparently having a tough time, and, it seems, using the Forum as one way of coping. Perhaps it’s just one strategy among several that you’re using.
People resort to all sorts of things to find outlets for frustration and hostility, and the internet has provided a vast multitude of opportunities to do just that. Thank goodness that it came along when it did, or else, who knows where all that sort of energy would be directed. Taking on a bunch of ‘enemies’ on the internet is (usually) the least likely to produce actual harm.
If you enjoy doing that, then keep on with it. It’s unlikely to change anything in the world, but it might be of use to you right now. Which is not to say that there might not be advantage in seeking other remedies.
I don’t matter to you, and you, in the long run, certainly don’t matter to me. You’re just some poor bugger somewhere on the continent, struggling with his own set of demons, like the rest of us. Ultimately, you, me, and all of us here are expendable, disposable, and of little import.
Look after yourself, OK?
I probably have a lot less demons than you, thank goodness. If you knew of my situation you would realise just how silly your assumptions are.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Jesus Christ, what a conceited twerp you are, it is you trying to upset me. You mean absolutely nothing to me nor do the rest of the loonies, in fact I am ignoring most of your posts these days. If you did not attack me, I would gladly ignore you.
Oh, no, you’ve got it all wrong.
I’m not trying to upset you. Crikey, i doubt that i could upset you more than you already are.
I just see someone who’s apparently having a tough time, and, it seems, using the Forum as one way of coping. Perhaps it’s just one strategy among several that you’re using.
People resort to all sorts of things to find outlets for frustration and hostility, and the internet has provided a vast multitude of opportunities to do just that. Thank goodness that it came along when it did, or else, who knows where all that sort of energy would be directed. Taking on a bunch of ‘enemies’ on the internet is (usually) the least likely to produce actual harm.
If you enjoy doing that, then keep on with it. It’s unlikely to change anything in the world, but it might be of use to you right now. Which is not to say that there might not be advantage in seeking other remedies.
I don’t matter to you, and you, in the long run, certainly don’t matter to me. You’re just some poor bugger somewhere on the continent, struggling with his own set of demons, like the rest of us. Ultimately, you, me, and all of us here are expendable, disposable, and of little import.
Look after yourself, OK?
I probably have a lot less demons than you, thank goodness. If you knew of my situation you would realise just how silly your assumptions are.
Yes, i have my demons. My sins are my own, they belong to me.
And, while you may have fewer, and whatever your ‘situation’, you have your own.
I just seem to have come to a more…workable…arrangement with mine than you have with yours.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Oh, no, you’ve got it all wrong.
I’m not trying to upset you. Crikey, i doubt that i could upset you more than you already are.
I just see someone who’s apparently having a tough time, and, it seems, using the Forum as one way of coping. Perhaps it’s just one strategy among several that you’re using.
People resort to all sorts of things to find outlets for frustration and hostility, and the internet has provided a vast multitude of opportunities to do just that. Thank goodness that it came along when it did, or else, who knows where all that sort of energy would be directed. Taking on a bunch of ‘enemies’ on the internet is (usually) the least likely to produce actual harm.
If you enjoy doing that, then keep on with it. It’s unlikely to change anything in the world, but it might be of use to you right now. Which is not to say that there might not be advantage in seeking other remedies.
I don’t matter to you, and you, in the long run, certainly don’t matter to me. You’re just some poor bugger somewhere on the continent, struggling with his own set of demons, like the rest of us. Ultimately, you, me, and all of us here are expendable, disposable, and of little import.
Look after yourself, OK?
I probably have a lot less demons than you, thank goodness. If you knew of my situation you would realise just how silly your assumptions are.
Yes, i have my demons. My sins are my own, they belong to me.
And, while you may have fewer, and whatever your ‘situation’, you have your own.
I just seem to have come to a more…workable…arrangement with mine than you have with yours.
I don’t know what you are trying to do with your inference that I am unhappy or need consoling. I live on a large naturally parcel of land with many animals and plants, with many of the former regarding me as just another animal living here with them of which we all do in harmony. Have you ever experienced this level of relationship? Because if you had you would realise it is very satisfying.
Hand on heart, PF, we’ve had our run-ins and I find you a bit pernickity but I always assumed you were driven by better motives. You’ve hooked your wagon to the star of a very flawed person: heck, I was once impressed by Musk before the information started to roll in. The world is becoming aware that he’s not just a bit of a wanker and exaggerater, but that there’s something seriously wrong with him personally, and also that he represents a threat to democracy and civil society. Step back and take a look.
dv said:
Hand on heart, PF, we’ve had our run-ins and I find you a bit pernickity but I always assumed you were driven by better motives. You’ve hooked your wagon to the star of a very flawed person: heck, I was once impressed by Musk before the information started to roll in. The world is becoming aware that he’s not just a bit of a wanker and exaggerater, but that there’s something seriously wrong with him personally, and also that he represents a threat to democracy and civil society. Step back and take a look.
Look I am not wedded to Musk, just I dislike the assassination of him often using lies and very underhand tactics. I have also been on the receiving end of such methods, and it is very nasty, plus highly destructive. However, as I have said I am waiting to see what an interesting and talented man with so much at his disposal will do, whether constructively or destructively. I must admit in the past few weeks he seems to have gone totally off the rails and is very likely to end up in a catastrophic crash, but it is still too far away to be conclusive.
I truly hope he will come good, but indications at this stage are not pointing that way. All I am doing is waiting for things to settle to see what he will actually do.
https://www.threads.net/@mikkismoments/post/DFGGjv7iPIX?xmt=AQGzmz0xxT8gYX1bFCyeegKQ3luv9ZSRUAVRuKyChMrrSw
Ah well at least the BBC is calling it what it is
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.
Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Hopefully the moron does it in Germany and gets 6 months jail.
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Hmmmm.
I read somewhere, that the neo-Nazis in the US took it as a Nazi salute.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Hmmmm.
I read somewhere, that the neo-Nazis in the US took it as a Nazi salute.
Another cut from Tiedrich’s column:
So, the media etc. should stop wasting time trying to convince ordinary people that it wasn’t a Nazi salute, and spend more effort on convincing the Nazis that it wasn’t a Nazi salute.
I would love for someone to ask him why he did it just so I can hear his explanation
diddly-squat said:
I would love for someone to ask him why he did it just so I can hear his explanation
“i was reaching to move a piece in that 4-D chess game i’m always playing in my mind.’
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.
Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Hmmmm.
I read somewhere, that the neo-Nazis in the US took it as a Nazi salute.
we mean we think it’s fair enough, the fascist intellectuals are clever enough to ensure that the numbers 69 and 1488 and 420 come up everywhere and their SS sorry we mean DOGE is called DOGE but a spur of the moment unscripted spontaneous repeated raised straight arm gesture probably was an accident we agree
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I would love for someone to ask him why he did it just so I can hear his explanation
“i was reaching to move a piece in that 4-D chess game i’m always playing in my mind.’
it’s 6D connect 4 you fool
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:I would love for someone to ask him why he did it just so I can hear his explanation
“i was reaching to move a piece in that 4-D chess game i’m always playing in my mind.’
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Hmmmm.
I read somewhere, that the neo-Nazis in the US took it as a Nazi salute.
It’s all over the internet.
captain_spalding said:
So, the media etc. should stop wasting time trying to convince ordinary people that it wasn’t a Nazi salute, and spend more effort on convincing the Nazis that it wasn’t a Nazi salute.
how is it wasting time, the faster they normalise it the faster they can get onto baying for coloured blood
He saw Kyle
PermeateFree said:
.I truly hope he will come good, but indications at this stage are not pointing that way. All I am doing is waiting for things to settle to see what he will actually do.
I’m heartened to read that. I hope you have a good day.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:.I truly hope he will come good, but indications at this stage are not pointing that way. All I am doing is waiting for things to settle to see what he will actually do.
I’m heartened to read that. I hope you have a good day.
Yeah, PF, is on the money there.
Right now, Trump and Musk are charging about like two little kids let loose in a toy shop.
It’ll be a little while before they settle down, decide what they really want to see happen, how they’re going to get it, and put ‘the programme’ into motion. And start to sort out just who is the boss of who.
‘Who’s the boss?’ could lead to some interesting scenarios.
ChrispenEvan said:
so if fascists are taking over we should be allying with the communists
dv said:
PermeateFree said:.I truly hope he will come good, but indications at this stage are not pointing that way. All I am doing is waiting for things to settle to see what he will actually do.
I’m heartened to read that. I hope you have a good day.
My take? You ain’t seen nothing yet.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
.I truly hope he will come good, but indications at this stage are not pointing that way. All I am doing is waiting for things to settle to see what he will actually do.
I’m heartened to read that. I hope you have a good day.
Yeah, PF, is on the money there.
Right now, Trump and Musk are charging about like two little kids let loose in a toy shop.
It’ll be a little while before they settle down, decide what they really want to see happen, how they’re going to get it, and put ‘the programme’ into motion. And start to sort out just who is the boss of who.
‘Who’s the boss?’ could lead to some interesting scenarios.
All sounds a bit like what the sheep tell each other on their way overseas on those live export boats, “hey this is… unusual… but don’t worry it’s just a phase¡ Let’s wait and see, we’re sure it’s all just a nice cruise to see the sights, she’ll be right in the end“¡
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m heartened to read that. I hope you have a good day.
Yeah, PF, is on the money there.
Right now, Trump and Musk are charging about like two little kids let loose in a toy shop.
It’ll be a little while before they settle down, decide what they really want to see happen, how they’re going to get it, and put ‘the programme’ into motion. And start to sort out just who is the boss of who.
‘Who’s the boss?’ could lead to some interesting scenarios.
All sounds a bit like what the sheep tell each other on their way overseas on those live export boats, “hey this is… unusual… but don’t worry it’s just a phase¡ Let’s wait and see, we’re sure it’s all just a nice cruise to see the sights, she’ll be right in the end“¡
“…she’ll be right in the end“¡”
Oh, i doubt very much that that will be the case.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
Yeah, PF, is on the money there.
Right now, Trump and Musk are charging about like two little kids let loose in a toy shop.
It’ll be a little while before they settle down, decide what they really want to see happen, how they’re going to get it, and put ‘the programme’ into motion. And start to sort out just who is the boss of who.
‘Who’s the boss?’ could lead to some interesting scenarios.
All sounds a bit like what the sheep tell each other on their way overseas on those live export boats, “hey this is… unusual… but don’t worry it’s just a phase¡ Let’s wait and see, we’re sure it’s all just a nice cruise to see the sights, she’ll be right in the end“¡
“…she’ll be right in the end“¡”
Oh, i doubt very much that that will be the case.
yous and us all but as you have observed the media keep trying to suggest that and like their shills here would like us to just calm down and wait and see as in watch it happen
We suppose it’s true that there’s little for us to do from here but we think anyone with brain should move their thinking forward a bit: is it plausible that the salute was an accident¿ Sure, good, we get that, so: is the media libwashing the salute an accident¿
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m heartened to read that. I hope you have a good day.
Yeah, PF, is on the money there.
Right now, Trump and Musk are charging about like two little kids let loose in a toy shop.
It’ll be a little while before they settle down, decide what they really want to see happen, how they’re going to get it, and put ‘the programme’ into motion. And start to sort out just who is the boss of who.
‘Who’s the boss?’ could lead to some interesting scenarios.
All sounds a bit like what the sheep tell each other on their way overseas on those live export boats, “hey this is… unusual… but don’t worry it’s just a phase¡ Let’s wait and see, we’re sure it’s all just a nice cruise to see the sights, she’ll be right in the end“¡
^^^
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
Yeah, PF, is on the money there.
Right now, Trump and Musk are charging about like two little kids let loose in a toy shop.
It’ll be a little while before they settle down, decide what they really want to see happen, how they’re going to get it, and put ‘the programme’ into motion. And start to sort out just who is the boss of who.
‘Who’s the boss?’ could lead to some interesting scenarios.
All sounds a bit like what the sheep tell each other on their way overseas on those live export boats, “hey this is… unusual… but don’t worry it’s just a phase¡ Let’s wait and see, we’re sure it’s all just a nice cruise to see the sights, she’ll be right in the end“¡
“…she’ll be right in the end“¡”
Oh, i doubt very much that that will be the case.
Trump’s red neck army versus Elon chip lobotomised army of fan bois.
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Have you ever considered why more people are moving to the political right? IMO it is because of people like you; they are getting sick of your slimy tactics.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Have you ever considered why more people are moving to the political right? IMO it is because of people like you; they are getting sick of your slimy tactics.
Good morning, PF, how are you today?
wait wait if we’re in the upside down and left right directions are defined after front back up down then we guess the dumb shits who can’t handle it will think left is right and right is left and oh fuck it
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Have you ever considered why more people are moving to the political right? IMO it is because of people like you; they are getting sick of your slimy tactics.
Good morning, PF, how are you today?
Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Have you ever considered why more people are moving to the political right? IMO it is because of people like you; they are getting sick of your slimy tactics.
damn straight.. because, you know, under an authoritarian right-wing government it’s much easier to control what people say…
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Have you ever considered why more people are moving to the political right? IMO it is because of people like you; they are getting sick of your slimy tactics.
Good morning, PF, how are you today?
Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:Good morning, PF, how are you today?
Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It’s very enthusiastic arm movements, like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:Good morning, PF, how are you today?
Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
Cymek said:
… like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
i think that the marketing window for that product has passed us by, now.
diddly-squat said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
It may be just an unfortunate coincidence, a well-meant gesture that was poorly executed, leaving it open to mistaken misinterpretation.Then again, as someone said here earlier, Elon seem to have really gone off the rails lately, so…
Have you ever considered why more people are moving to the political right? IMO it is because of people like you; they are getting sick of your slimy tactics.
damn straight.. because, you know, under an authoritarian right-wing government it’s much easier to control what people say…
No, it is to move away from this sneering, underhand and dishonest actions of the far left, who I might add are just as corrupt as the far right and unless their followers are ironed on to one of the other, more rational people are getting damn sick of it.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:… like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
i think that the marketing window for that product has passed us by, now.
Yes
I was vaguely remembering an episode were he was a wind up version and was some leader doing weird hand gestures.
I could be mistaken as well
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:
PermeateFree said:Have you ever considered why more people are moving to the political right? IMO it is because of people like you; they are getting sick of your slimy tactics.
damn straight.. because, you know, under an authoritarian right-wing government it’s much easier to control what people say…
No, it is to move away from this sneering, underhand and dishonest actions of the far left, who I might add are just as corrupt as the far right and unless their followers are ironed on to one of the other, more rational people are getting damn sick of it.
Likely I imagine
Their actual motivation are probably not moral or decent
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It’s very enthusiastic arm movements, like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
Then again maybe it was because he was stoned…
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It’s very enthusiastic arm movements, like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
Well stop cherry-picking to suit your biases and start seeking the facts.
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It’s very enthusiastic arm movements, like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
Could be worse:
You’re seriously suggesting a black power salute is worse than a Nazi one?
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:… like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
i think that the marketing window for that product has passed us by, now.
But then, he does support a neo-Nazi group in Germany.
Eh, itsanotso bad. We got socialist governments in Australia and the UK, the next German govt is going to be another Social Dems-CDU alliance, the Liberals still run Canada. Shame about Italy…
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
Tired and emotional?
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:… like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
i think that the marketing window for that product has passed us by, now.
But then, he does support a neo-Nazi group in Germany.
That’s just a big misunderstanding too…
dv said:
Eh, itsanotso bad. We got socialist governments in Australia and the UK, the next German govt is going to be another Social Dems-CDU alliance, the Liberals still run Canada. Shame about Italy…
I blame the Italian railways.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
Tired and emotional?
It’s not funny.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:It’s very enthusiastic arm movements, like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
Could be worse:You’re seriously suggesting a black power salute is worse than a Nazi one?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Seemingly still as dumb as ever…
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
You don’t want the truth to interfere with you predetermined opinions.
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:Could be worse:
You’re seriously suggesting a black power salute is worse than a Nazi one?
In the USA probably.
Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
Tired and emotional?
your facetiousness is lost on some.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
You don’t want the truth to interfere with you predetermined opinions.
Well, we have that much in common.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:i think that the marketing window for that product has passed us by, now.
But then, he does support a neo-Nazi group in Germany.
That’s just a big misunderstanding too…
Oh, OK. I didn’t realise that.
dv said:
We got socialist governments in Australia …
We do?
PermeateFree said:
No, it is to move away from this sneering, underhand and dishonest actions of the far left, who I might add are just as corrupt as the far right and unless their followers are ironed on to one of the other, more rational people are getting damn sick of it.
Okay but it’s hardly an issue in the US where there is scarcely a left at all, let alone a far left.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
Tired and emotional?
your facetiousness is lost on some.
It’s why i can’t get bookings on the club circuit, my material is considered ‘too subtle’.
I see irony is getting a good airing. soooo we have irony, sarcasm and facetiousness. and some ridicule.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
FFS wake up and stop being led by all the vested interests.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
diddly-squat said:
damn straight.. because, you know, under an authoritarian right-wing government it’s much easier to control what people say…
No, it is to move away from this sneering, underhand and dishonest actions of the far left, who I might add are just as corrupt as the far right and unless their followers are ironed on to one of the other, more rational people are getting damn sick of it.
Likely I imagine
Their actual motivation are probably not moral or decent
LOL do they drink the cyanide drink enhancer as well
dv said:
Eh, itsanotso bad. We got socialist governments in Australia and the UK, the next German govt is going to be another Social Dems-CDU alliance, the Liberals still run Canada. Shame about Italy…
isn’t Dutton about to take control
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re seriously suggesting a black power salute is worse than a Nazi one?
In the USA probably.Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
Yes, and a few other things.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
ah so he’s just intoxicated and absolved of criminal responsibility
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:We got socialist governments in Australia …
We do?
Their party platform always has wording such as:
“The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields”.
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
ah so he’s just intoxicated and absolved of criminal responsibility
Just put him in a self-driving Tesla and send him on his way home…
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Have you ever thought of listening to his speech prior to his arm gesture? Of course not, because you thrive on disinformation and being part of a lynch mob.
It’s very enthusiastic arm movements, like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
Could be worse:
¡ exactly, it could be a terrorist secret handshake instead of a mainstream sociopolitical movement backed by disciplined military support !
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re seriously suggesting a black power salute is worse than a Nazi one?
In the USA probably.Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
dv said:
PermeateFree said:No, it is to move away from this sneering, underhand and dishonest actions of the far left, who I might add are just as corrupt as the far right and unless their followers are ironed on to one of the other, more rational people are getting damn sick of it.
Okay but it’s hardly an issue in the US where there is scarcely a left at all, let alone a far left.
Well you seem to be able to drag up enough of it. Perhaps you have just discovered a little enclave in your frantic search for more rubbish to pollute the airways.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Eh, itsanotso bad. We got socialist governments in Australia and the UK, the next German govt is going to be another Social Dems-CDU alliance, the Liberals still run Canada. Shame about Italy…
isn’t Dutton about to take control
My gut says no.
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Tamb said:In the USA probably.
Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
Yes, and a few other things.
Not sure if that was his intention’
I assume it meant people dont like black power meaning equal rights and the salute upsets racists
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:No, it is to move away from this sneering, underhand and dishonest actions of the far left, who I might add are just as corrupt as the far right and unless their followers are ironed on to one of the other, more rational people are getting damn sick of it.
Okay but it’s hardly an issue in the US where there is scarcely a left at all, let alone a far left.
Well you seem to be able to drag up enough of it. Perhaps you have just discovered a little enclave in your frantic search for more rubbish to pollute the airways.
… such as?
Witty Rejoinder said:
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
ah so he’s just intoxicated and absolved of criminal responsibility
Just put him in a self-driving Tesla and send him on his way home…
+1
or maybe alongside a delivery of inaugural celebratory fireworks in a rusty steel truck
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
It’s very enthusiastic arm movements, like a wind up Tim Brooke Taylor
Could be worse:
¡ exactly, it could be a terrorist secret handshake instead of a mainstream sociopolitical movement backed by disciplined military support !
oh look they’re becoming passive enablers in preparation of switching sides
Cymek said:
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
Yes, and a few other things.
Not sure if that was his intention’
I assume it meant people dont like black power meaning equal rights and the salute upsets racists
that is how i read it.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
Yes, and a few other things.
Not sure if that was his intention’
I assume it meant people dont like black power meaning equal rights and the salute upsets racists
No he was just betraying his opinion that a black person is indeed scarier than a white person even if they’re a goose-stepping Nazi.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
Yes, and a few other things.
Not sure if that was his intention’
I assume it meant people dont like black power meaning equal rights and the salute upsets racists
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
It was, at the least, a poorly-executed gesture.
A hand placed more nearly to the heart’s actual location, and extended in a downward or horizontal sweeping motion, would have been far less ambiguous.
Perhaps he was just over-excited, and oblivious to what he was doing. Maybe he’ll be more considered in his gestures in future.
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
ah so he’s just intoxicated and absolved of criminal responsibility
Did I say that? Gee, you can be a stupid wanker sometimes.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Eh, itsanotso bad. We got socialist governments in Australia and the UK, the next German govt is going to be another Social Dems-CDU alliance, the Liberals still run Canada. Shame about Italy…
isn’t Dutton about to take control
My gut says no.
well we hope so because for all the crying about Murdoch it seems the infiltration of the fascist cheer squad through all traditional and online social medias is at the next level and it’s unclear to us that the voting population has the mettle to resist the influence-interference network
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Eh, itsanotso bad. We got socialist governments in Australia and the UK, the next German govt is going to be another Social Dems-CDU alliance, the Liberals still run Canada. Shame about Italy…
isn’t Dutton about to take control
My gut says no.
I sincerely hope your gut is correct.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Okay but it’s hardly an issue in the US where there is scarcely a left at all, let alone a far left.
Well you seem to be able to drag up enough of it. Perhaps you have just discovered a little enclave in your frantic search for more rubbish to pollute the airways.
… such as?
Most of your posts on the subject. You are continually posting them.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
Yes, and a few other things.
Not sure if that was his intention’
I assume it meant people dont like black power meaning equal rights and the salute upsets racists
I suspect so, too.
Cymek said:
kii said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Fuck you’re a racist old cunt…
Yes, and a few other things.
Not sure if that was his intention’
I assume it meant people dont like black power meaning equal rights and the salute upsets racists
wait are we allowed to wear a black patch on our arm andor have a black profile picture “avatar” thingo or does it have to be yellow
and blue underneath
wait
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
kii said:
Yes, and a few other things.
Not sure if that was his intention’
I assume it meant people dont like black power meaning equal rights and the salute upsets racists
wait are we allowed to wear a black patch on our arm andor have a black profile picture “avatar” thingo or does it have to be yellow
and blue underneath
wait
red triangle.
kii said:
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
FFS! Don’t make excuses for Musk. Over-excited? Bullshit. Did you see the video of him flipping his eyes about, on ketamine, during the inauguration?
ah so he’s just intoxicated and absolved of criminal responsibility
Did I say that? Gee, you can be a stupid wanker sometimes.
wait did we say you said that gee yous can be a bunch of highly intelligent PermeatesFree oftentimes
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
isn’t Dutton about to take control
My gut says no.
well we hope so because for all the crying about Murdoch it seems the infiltration of the fascist cheer squad through all traditional and online social medias is at the next level and it’s unclear to us that the voting population has the mettle to resist the influence-interference network
I did think that perhaps Elon buying Twitter for more than it was worth and tanking it’s value to less than half that was a bad business move.
But maybe it really is like Murdoch. He owns papers not to make money of them but to influence opinion to support his other business ventures.
Musk may have burned 40 billion dollars on “X” but he’s weilded it to put him in a position to become the first trillionaire.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Well you seem to be able to drag up enough of it. Perhaps you have just discovered a little enclave in your frantic search for more rubbish to pollute the airways.
… such as?
Most of your posts on the subject. You are continually posting them.
Which of these views do you consider “far left”? Please give any example.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
My gut says no.
well we hope so because for all the crying about Murdoch it seems the infiltration of the fascist cheer squad through all traditional and online social medias is at the next level and it’s unclear to us that the voting population has the mettle to resist the influence-interference network
I did think that perhaps Elon buying Twitter for more than it was worth and tanking it’s value to less than half that was a bad business move.
But maybe it really is like Murdoch. He owns papers not to make money of them but to influence opinion to support his other business ventures.
Musk may have burned 40 billion dollars on “X” but he’s weilded it to put him in a position to become the first trillionaire.
I dunno if Elon thinks that far ahead.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
My gut says no.
well we hope so because for all the crying about Murdoch it seems the infiltration of the fascist cheer squad through all traditional and online social medias is at the next level and it’s unclear to us that the voting population has the mettle to resist the influence-interference network
I did think that perhaps Elon buying Twitter for more than it was worth and tanking it’s value to less than half that was a bad business move.
But maybe it really is like Murdoch. He owns papers not to make money of them but to influence opinion to support his other business ventures.
Musk may have burned 40 billion dollars on “X” but he’s weilded it to put him in a position to become the first trillionaire.
yeah we only wakefully* realised it when they started foreign interfering with the USSA election but guess we can agree that the intellectually superior PermeatesFree were correct in this case: without sarcasm it was a pretty smart 6D connect 4 entrepreneurial strategy
*: we suspect we may have offhand commented much earlier, around when the purchase happened, that this could have be the strategy
dv said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
My gut says no.
well we hope so because for all the crying about Murdoch it seems the infiltration of the fascist cheer squad through all traditional and online social medias is at the next level and it’s unclear to us that the voting population has the mettle to resist the influence-interference network
I did think that perhaps Elon buying Twitter for more than it was worth and tanking it’s value to less than half that was a bad business move.
But maybe it really is like Murdoch. He owns papers not to make money of them but to influence opinion to support his other business ventures.
Musk may have burned 40 billion dollars on “X” but he’s weilded it to put him in a position to become the first trillionaire.
I still think that his master plan is to turn X into WeChat for the West..
I wonder what Elon thinks of his enemy Sam Altman getting all chummy with Trump on today’s massive AI investment?
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:… such as?
Most of your posts on the subject. You are continually posting them.
Which of these views do you consider “far left”? Please give any example.
I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:well we hope so because for all the crying about Murdoch it seems the infiltration of the fascist cheer squad through all traditional and online social medias is at the next level and it’s unclear to us that the voting population has the mettle to resist the influence-interference network
I did think that perhaps Elon buying Twitter for more than it was worth and tanking it’s value to less than half that was a bad business move.
But maybe it really is like Murdoch. He owns papers not to make money of them but to influence opinion to support his other business ventures.
Musk may have burned 40 billion dollars on “X” but he’s weilded it to put him in a position to become the first trillionaire.
I dunno if Elon thinks that far ahead.
It was one of the very few sensible things he has ever said about Musk.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
well we hope so because for all the crying about Murdoch it seems the infiltration of the fascist cheer squad through all traditional and online social medias is at the next level and it’s unclear to us that the voting population has the mettle to resist the influence-interference network
I did think that perhaps Elon buying Twitter for more than it was worth and tanking it’s value to less than half that was a bad business move.
But maybe it really is like Murdoch. He owns papers not to make money of them but to influence opinion to support his other business ventures.
Musk may have burned 40 billion dollars on “X” but he’s weilded it to put him in a position to become the first trillionaire.
yeah we only wakefully* realised it when they started foreign interfering with the USSA election but guess we can agree that the intellectually superior PermeatesFree were correct in this case: without sarcasm it was a pretty smart 6D connect 4 entrepreneurial strategy
*: we suspect we may have offhand commented much earlier, around when the purchase happened, that this could have be the strategy
I thought it was you who had the self-proclaimed genius tag all sown up. However you would be a lot smarter if you didn’t cherry-pick and leave out stuff to support your opinions.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
I did think that perhaps Elon buying Twitter for more than it was worth and tanking it’s value to less than half that was a bad business move.
But maybe it really is like Murdoch. He owns papers not to make money of them but to influence opinion to support his other business ventures.
Musk may have burned 40 billion dollars on “X” but he’s weilded it to put him in a position to become the first trillionaire.
yeah we only wakefully* realised it when they started foreign interfering with the USSA election but guess we can agree that the intellectually superior PermeatesFree were correct in this case: without sarcasm it was a pretty smart 6D connect 4 entrepreneurial strategy
*: we suspect we may have offhand commented much earlier, around when the purchase happened, that this could have be the strategy
I thought it was you who had the self-proclaimed genius tag all sown up. However you would be a lot smarter if you didn’t cherry-pick and leave out stuff to support your opinions.
go on then find our post
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
yeah we only wakefully* realised it when they started foreign interfering with the USSA election but guess we can agree that the intellectually superior PermeatesFree were correct in this case: without sarcasm it was a pretty smart 6D connect 4 entrepreneurial strategy
*: we suspect we may have offhand commented much earlier, around when the purchase happened, that this could have be the strategy
I thought it was you who had the self-proclaimed genius tag all sown up. However you would be a lot smarter if you didn’t cherry-pick and leave out stuff to support your opinions.
go on then find our post
Our post? Collaboration?
Never! dv is not like that!
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PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:Most of your posts on the subject. You are continually posting them.
Which of these views do you consider “far left”? Please give any example.
I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Which of these views do you consider “far left”? Please give any example.
I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
I was going to ask for the same, then i couldn’t be sure that i hadn’t made a post about putting all of the bourgeoisie against a wall and machine-gunning them, and i thought, that might be just asking for touble.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Which of these views do you consider “far left”? Please give any example.
I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
give him nothing PF, tell him to do his own research!!!
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
give him nothing PF, tell him to do his own research!!!
or just abuse him then play the victim like you usually do when you can’t answer the question because you are full of it
Fixed
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
give him nothing PF, tell him to do his own research!!!
or just abuse him then play the victim like you usually do when you can’t answer the question because you are full of itFixed
The possibility exist he is a stooge for Musk and we end up in a Soylent Green factory for dissing Cyber Controller Musk.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Which of these views do you consider “far left”? Please give any example.
I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
I was going to ask for the same, then i couldn’t be sure that i hadn’t made a post about putting all of the bourgeoisie against a wall and machine-gunning them, and i thought, that might be just asking for touble.
Steady.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Him being a bed fellow with Trump does not do him any favours.
The same old blame the immigrant nonsense, that all nasty people do when they don’t like change.
We have examples throughout history of what happens, often genocide
Well, let’s see what he does next.
I predict DV will be employing the ‘truth defence’ shortly: meanwhile PF becomes aware of a country called Germany.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Him being a bed fellow with Trump does not do him any favours.
The same old blame the immigrant nonsense, that all nasty people do when they don’t like change.
We have examples throughout history of what happens, often genocide
Your comments are unrelated to the post of dv, to which I was responding.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
Him being a bed fellow with Trump does not do him any favours.
The same old blame the immigrant nonsense, that all nasty people do when they don’t like change.
We have examples throughout history of what happens, often genocide
Your comments are unrelated to the post of dv, to which I was responding.
OK
Witty Rejoinder said:
I predict DV will be employing the ‘truth defence’ shortly: meanwhile PF becomes aware of a country called Germany.
I welcome that as you both might learn something.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:I’m not going through your list of posts. You are all politics, collecting and posting all the political crap that agrees with the far left views and also eagerly and encouragingly supports all the other extreme views posted by others.
I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
Seriously, champ… do you honestly think that opposition to white replacement conspiracy theories or the AfD count as “far left” positions?
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:I’m not asking for a list. Just one. Name one extreme far left view I’ve espoused here. Just one.
From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
It is a knowing distortion of the facts that has been exploited (as you were doing) to make out it was a Nazi salute rather than as expression of heart felt feelings that is plainly obvious when viewed with the speech he made before the gesture.
dv said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
Seriously, champ… do you honestly think that opposition to white replacement conspiracy theories or the AfD count as “far left” positions?
He would have had NFI who the AfD were until you mentioned it.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
It is a knowing distortion of the facts that has been exploited (as you were doing) to make out it was a Nazi salute rather than as expression of heart felt feelings that is plainly obvious when viewed with the speech he made before the gesture.
Nope, all the people whose profession is to understand this issue have plainly said this is unambiguously a Nazi salute.
But even if that were not the case, this would not be a far left position. I am getting the sense the somehow you don’t know what the phrase means.
Like a policy of nationalising all the banks and industry is a far left position. Executing the wealthy and redistributing their lands is a far left position.
Criticism of fascist symbolism in public discourse is top dead centre.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:From: dv
ID: 2239687
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
The fact that he pulled a couple of these in quick succession kind of needs to be taken in context. His open support for Alternative für Deutschland, his repeated espousal of white replacement conspiracy theory and views that non-whites are tearing Europe apart, his tendency to platform and retweet far right conspiracy theory tweets, members of his family telling us he is motivated by white race defence … that’s the context.
How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
It is a knowing distortion of the facts that has been exploited (as you were doing) to make out it was a Nazi salute rather than as expression of heart felt feelings that is plainly obvious when viewed with the speech he made before the gesture.
Should societal responsibility include not performing ambiguous gestures that are easily mistaken for offensive ones.
Even if innocent it certainly looks like one
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
It is a knowing distortion of the facts that has been exploited (as you were doing) to make out it was a Nazi salute rather than as expression of heart felt feelings that is plainly obvious when viewed with the speech he made before the gesture.
Nope, all the people whose profession is to understand this issue have plainly said this is unambiguously a Nazi salute.
But even if that were not the case, this would not be a far left position. I am getting the sense the somehow you don’t know what the phrase means.
Like a policy of nationalising all the banks and industry is a far left position. Executing the wealthy and redistributing their lands is a far left position.
Criticism of fascist symbolism in public discourse is top dead centre.
More to the point, everyone on the far right immediately knew what it was. The appreciated the shout-out.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:How does any of this count as far left? Or even left wing at all? This is a very centrist take.
It is a knowing distortion of the facts that has been exploited (as you were doing) to make out it was a Nazi salute rather than as expression of heart felt feelings that is plainly obvious when viewed with the speech he made before the gesture.
Nope, all the people whose profession is to understand this issue have plainly said this is unambiguously a Nazi salute.
But even if that were not the case, this would not be a far left position. I am getting the sense the somehow you don’t know what the phrase means.
Like a policy of nationalising all the banks and industry is a far left position. Executing the wealthy and redistributing their lands is a far left position.
Criticism of fascist symbolism in public discourse is top dead centre.
I bet you and your far lefty followers have not even looked at the video containing his speech before the arm gesture. Well for your benefit below is the video and all details are contained in a little over the first minute, with the very first 22 seconds without any sound at all. Interestingly, most videos on the internet do not contain the speech, only the arm gesture, of which you can make what you will from that.
https://youtu.be/bNd5TwdI1pQ
dv said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:It is a knowing distortion of the facts that has been exploited (as you were doing) to make out it was a Nazi salute rather than as expression of heart felt feelings that is plainly obvious when viewed with the speech he made before the gesture.
Nope, all the people whose profession is to understand this issue have plainly said this is unambiguously a Nazi salute.
But even if that were not the case, this would not be a far left position. I am getting the sense the somehow you don’t know what the phrase means.
Like a policy of nationalising all the banks and industry is a far left position. Executing the wealthy and redistributing their lands is a far left position.
Criticism of fascist symbolism in public discourse is top dead centre.
More to the point, everyone on the far right immediately knew what it was. The appreciated the shout-out.
The far Left are not much different from the far Right, they are both mindless and act as a mob.
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
we should all come out from under the bed.
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
I have just given you the proof you requested, but as usual you disregard anything that does not agree with your opinion which says a lot more about you than adversely about me.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
That has been my opinion of you for some time and it is obvious with the bias content of your posts.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
This is a typical post content of yours when proved wrong. Just ignore it and pretend it never happened, everyone will quickly forget, and your ego remains unblemished.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
Oh you’re worse than Hitler.
Or in current times, worse than Elon.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
Oh you’re worse than Hitler.
Or in current times, worse than Elon.
Bet they wouldn’t let you fly a plane these days.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Imagine how PWM feels.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Imagine how PWM feels.
Don’t think PWM has ever been in dv’s gang, so probably not worried.
PermeateFree said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
Oh you’re worse than Hitler.
Or in current times, worse than Elon.
Bet they wouldn’t let you fly a plane these days.
No, I have diabetes and bad vision in one eye. No chance of me ever being allowed in the pilot’s chair.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Imagine how PWM feels.
Probably like burning hippies for heat. That’s apparently what the righties do.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Spiny Norman said:Oh you’re worse than Hitler.
Or in current times, worse than Elon.
Bet they wouldn’t let you fly a plane these days.
No, I have diabetes and bad vision in one eye. No chance of me ever being allowed in the pilot’s chair.
Sorry, I did not realise I was discussing anything with you let alone flying.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Bet they wouldn’t let you fly a plane these days.
No, I have diabetes and bad vision in one eye. No chance of me ever being allowed in the pilot’s chair.
Sorry, I did not realise I was discussing anything with you let alone flying.
I thought it was just a pile-on.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:No, I have diabetes and bad vision in one eye. No chance of me ever being allowed in the pilot’s chair.
Sorry, I did not realise I was discussing anything with you let alone flying.
I thought it was just a pile-on.
Don’t understand the concept.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Okay so in summary you can’t actually find any examples of me or anyone else here espousing far left view. Cheers, just wanted to check. Can’t be too careful these days.
Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
That was before you learnt the word the ‘The Red Flag’‘.
There’s been no holding you since then.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:Yeah apparently I’m far-left as well.
News to me.
Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
That was before you learnt the word the ‘The Red Flag’‘.
There’s been no holding you since then.
‘…the words to…’
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
That was before you learnt the word the ‘The Red Flag’‘.
There’s been no holding you since then.
‘…the words to…’
oh christmas tree…
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:Me too for some reason, must be the time I mentioned the ancient Greek and Roman philosophical concept of virtue.
I recall being called far right once upon a time at the old SSSF.
That was before you learnt the word the ‘The Red Flag’‘.
There’s been no holding you since then.
‘…the words to…’
Don’t get me started on flags, mate. I’ll upset someone again and I won’t care.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:That was before you learnt the word the ‘The Red Flag’‘.
There’s been no holding you since then.
‘…the words to…’
oh christmas tree…
We will not cease from mental fight till every wrong is righted,
And all men are equal quite, and all our leaders knighted.
For we are sure if we persist to make the New Year’s Honours list.
Then every loyal labour peer will sing The Red Flag once a Year.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:That was before you learnt the word the ‘The Red Flag’‘.
There’s been no holding you since then.
‘…the words to…’
Don’t get me started on flags, mate. I’ll upset someone again and I won’t care.
Oh, come on. Say what you think.
;)
He got it right at last.
Spiny Norman said:
He got it right at last.
He’s a Welsh jellyfish
Spiny Norman said:
He got it right at last.
Agree.
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
He got it right at last.
He’s a Welsh jellyfish
He left out ‘arsehole’
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
He got it right at last.
Agree.
what does the i in rainbow stand for
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
He got it right at last.
Agree.
what does the i in rainbow stand for
Intersex
kii said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Agree.
what does the i in rainbow stand for
Intersex
sorry we thought it was indigo but yeah sometimes we’re wrong
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
SCIENCE said:
what does the i in rainbow stand for
Intersex
sorry we thought it was indigo but yeah sometimes we’re wrong
Indigo children ?
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Intersex
sorry we thought it was indigo but yeah sometimes we’re wrong
Indigo children ?
exactly right
ChrispenEvan said:
I wish!
Dickhead.
Just a bit of a hypocrite there matey.
Spiny Norman said:
Just a bit of a hypocrite there matey.
He’s thinking to lube or not to lube
You folks are poking the bear somewhat.
In the brand new long running Friday quiz on ABC radio they asked a series of questions: Whose quote is this…. Musk or Joseph Goebbels?
Most answers were wrong.
captain_spalding said:
You folks are poking the bear somewhat.
don’t worry Stalingrad doesn’t happen every day
captain_spalding said:
You folks are poking the bear somewhat.
I started this thread as a light-heart flourish. never knew it would morph into this.
I started a non-metric units hate thread at the same time too, but that one died in the arse.
These were just the two topics of conversation filling up the chat thread one day and someone complained about chat being clogged up with pointless rubbish, so I started threads.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
You folks are poking the bear somewhat.
I started this thread as a light-heart flourish. never knew it would morph into this.
I started a non-metric units hate thread at the same time too, but that one died in the arse.
These were just the two topics of conversation filling up the chat thread one day and someone complained about chat being clogged up with pointless rubbish, so I started threads.
You the real mvp
Arts said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
You folks are poking the bear somewhat.
I started this thread as a light-heart flourish. never knew it would morph into this.
I started a non-metric units hate thread at the same time too, but that one died in the arse.
These were just the two topics of conversation filling up the chat thread one day and someone complained about chat being clogged up with pointless rubbish, so I started threads.
You the real mvp
I don’t ask for honours.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:I started this thread as a light-heart flourish. never knew it would morph into this.
I started a non-metric units hate thread at the same time too, but that one died in the arse.
These were just the two topics of conversation filling up the chat thread one day and someone complained about chat being clogged up with pointless rubbish, so I started threads.
You the real mvp
I don’t ask for honours.
Don’t applaud, throw money.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:I started this thread as a light-heart flourish. never knew it would morph into this.
I started a non-metric units hate thread at the same time too, but that one died in the arse.
These were just the two topics of conversation filling up the chat thread one day and someone complained about chat being clogged up with pointless rubbish, so I started threads.
You the real mvp
I don’t ask for honours.
What’s your quals?
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:You the real mvp
I don’t ask for honours.
What’s your quals?
Sorry, wrong thread. Please ignore.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:You the real mvp
I don’t ask for honours.
What’s your quals?
Rimmer: Silver Swimming Certificate, Bronze Swimming Certificate.
captain_spalding said:
Please ignore.
Bummer.
Zinger of the week was my reply!
dv said:
Q: How many Elon Musks does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None.
He’ll wait until the light bulb is screwed in, then edge his way into the company that made the light bulb and screwed it in, then pull some swifities to push out the original creators, and then claim to have invented the screw-in light bulb.
dv said:
Q: How many Elon Musks does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None.
He’ll wait until the light bulb is screwed in, then edge his way into the company that made the light bulb and screwed it in, then pull some swifities to push out the original creators, and then claim to have invented the screw-in light bulb.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Q: How many Elon Musks does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None.
He’ll wait until the light bulb is screwed in, then edge his way into the company that made the light bulb and screwed it in, then pull some swifities to push out the original creators, and then claim to have invented the screw-in light bulb.
LOL
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Q: How many Elon Musks does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None.
He’ll wait until the light bulb is screwed in, then edge his way into the company that made the light bulb and screwed it in, then pull some swifities to push out the original creators, and then claim to have invented the screw-in light bulb.
LOL
we mean he has a point, it wasn’t funny even though he thought it was
dv said:
How many billion dollars of spare cash does it take to build a hospital or school?
None, the minimum wage taxpayers will pay for it.
Deny, Defend, Depose?
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Q: How many Elon Musks does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None.
He’ll wait until the light bulb is screwed in, then edge his way into the company that made the light bulb and screwed it in, then pull some swifities to push out the original creators, and then claim to have invented the screw-in light bulb.
LOL
we mean he has a point, it wasn’t funny even though he thought it was
Me? Elon? Both? or (more likely) neither?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
LOL
we mean he has a point, it wasn’t funny even though he thought it was
Me? Elon? Both? or (more likely) neither?
the screenshotted original, like was he trying to tell a joke or something, we get that he was masturbating but he was clever enough to recognise that it wasn’t funny
Ian said:
In the brand new long running Friday quiz on ABC radio they asked a series of questions: Whose quote is this…. Musk or Joseph Goebbels?Most answers were wrong.
Musk, the new Goebbels.
kii posted this in the Art thread:
Some pics:
Spiny Norman posted this in the memes thread:
From Wellington, NZ.
Elon Musk addresses German far-right rally by video link
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/539959/elon-musk-addresses-german-far-right-rally-by-video-link
Because of course
“Elon Musk tells Germany’s far-right AfD it’s the ‘best hope for the future’”, ahead of February elections.
I no longer accept that his Nazi salutes were anything other than a Nazi salutes.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-26/elon-musk-supports-afd-party-again-/104860812
Anybody who still uses X is supporting fascism.
Time to kill off that platform folks, kill it stone dead and make Elon lose his investment.
Then do the same with Tesla and Starlink. Boycott them and make Elon lose his money.
party_pants said:
Anybody who still uses X is supporting fascism.
I’m still on it but I’m not sure for how much longer. The moron tide is more of a mega-tsunami now.
I make sure to insult a fair number of them each day though, it’s pleasing.
I also use a thing called a PiHole, which is a gadget that plugs into the router and blocks all the adverts before they get to my browser so Twitter gets zero revenue from me.
Elon Musk makes surprise appearance at AfD event in eastern Germany
Tycoon tells 4,500 people at campaign event in Halle to be proud of German culture in speech via video link.
Elon Musk made a surprise appearance during Germany’s Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) election campaign event in Halle in eastern Germany on Saturday, speaking publicly in support of the far-right party for the second time in as many weeks.
Addressing a hall of 4,500 people alongside the party’s co-leader, Alice Weidel, Musk spoke live via video link about preserving German culture and protecting the German people.
“It’s good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything,” Musk said.
Last week, the US billionaire caused uproar after he made a gesture that drew online comparisons to a Nazi salute during President Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities.
Spiny Norman said:
I also use a thing called a PiHole, which is a gadget that plugs into the router and blocks all the adverts before they get to my browser so Twitter gets zero revenue from me.
PiHole is your friend. 😁
Spiny Norman said:
I also use a thing called a PiHole, which is a gadget that plugs into the router and blocks all the adverts before they get to my browser so Twitter gets zero revenue from me.
I’d like to quibble on this. Elon still gets the money from the advertisers, it’s just that you contrive to block the ad from reaching your screen?
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:I also use a thing called a PiHole, which is a gadget that plugs into the router and blocks all the adverts before they get to my browser so Twitter gets zero revenue from me.
I’d like to quibble on this. Elon still gets the money from the advertisers, it’s just that you contrive to block the ad from reaching your screen?
You may well be right, but I never see any adverts on Twitter nor Facepalm. (when I was still on it)
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:I also use a thing called a PiHole, which is a gadget that plugs into the router and blocks all the adverts before they get to my browser so Twitter gets zero revenue from me.
I’d like to quibble on this. Elon still gets the money from the advertisers, it’s just that you contrive to block the ad from reaching your screen?
I doubt it. With PiHole, the URL request to the advert mobs/servers doesn’t get sent. So the advert mobs/servers don’t know about it.
It doesn’t actually block the ad as it is being received by your pooter.
eg. a quick snippet.
Woodie said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:I also use a thing called a PiHole, which is a gadget that plugs into the router and blocks all the adverts before they get to my browser so Twitter gets zero revenue from me.
I’d like to quibble on this. Elon still gets the money from the advertisers, it’s just that you contrive to block the ad from reaching your screen?
I doubt it. With PiHole, the URL request to the advert mobs/servers doesn’t get sent. So the advert mobs/servers don’t know about it.
It doesn’t actually block the ad as it is being received by your pooter.
eg. a quick snippet.
OK, I’ll take your word for it.
we used to have Empire Day. then commonwealth day.
Spiny Norman said:
You may well be right, but I never see any adverts on Twitter nor Facepalm. (when I was still on it)
I use Facebook Purity for Facepalm. You can block any type of Facebook category with it as well.
A snippet.
Woodie said:
Spiny Norman said:You may well be right, but I never see any adverts on Twitter nor Facepalm. (when I was still on it)
I use Facebook Purity for Facepalm. You can block any type of Facebook category with it as well.
A snippet.
Yeah I use that as well.
sarahs mum said:
we used to have Empire Day. then commonwealth day.
Empire Day was for settin’ off fire crackers. 😁
sarahs mum said:
we used to have Empire Day. then commonwealth day.
I am too young for either of those.
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
we used to have Empire Day. then commonwealth day.
Empire Day was for settin’ off fire crackers. 😁
meat pies and athletics.
Spiny Norman said:
Woodie said:
Spiny Norman said:You may well be right, but I never see any adverts on Twitter nor Facepalm. (when I was still on it)
I use Facebook Purity for Facepalm. You can block any type of Facebook category with it as well.
A snippet.
Yeah I use that as well.
Facebook don’t seem to have tried to bust it for quite a while now. His updates/fixes are now few and far between.
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:
sarahs mum said:
we used to have Empire Day. then commonwealth day.
Empire Day was for settin’ off fire crackers. 😁
meat pies and athletics.
Now two boys have been found rubbing linseed oil into the school cormorant. Now some of you may feel that the cormorant does not play an important part in the life of the school, but I would remind you that it was presented to us by the corporation of the Town of Sudbury to commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British. So from now on, the cormorant is strictly OUT OF BOUNDS. Oh and Jenkins? Apparently your mother died this morning. Chaplain?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:Empire Day was for settin’ off fire crackers. 😁
meat pies and athletics.
Now two boys have been found rubbing linseed oil into the school cormorant. Now some of you may feel that the cormorant does not play an important part in the life of the school, but I would remind you that it was presented to us by the corporation of the Town of Sudbury to commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British. So from now on, the cormorant is strictly OUT OF BOUNDS. Oh and Jenkins? Apparently your mother died this morning. Chaplain?
Chaplian:
Oh Lord please don’t burn us don’t kill or toast your flock. Don’t put us on the barbecue or simmer us in stock. Don’t bake or baste or boil us or stir-fry us in a wok
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Woodie said:Empire Day was for settin’ off fire crackers. 😁
meat pies and athletics.
Now two boys have been found rubbing linseed oil into the school cormorant. Now some of you may feel that the cormorant does not play an important part in the life of the school, but I would remind you that it was presented to us by the corporation of the Town of Sudbury to commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British. So from now on, the cormorant is strictly OUT OF BOUNDS. Oh and Jenkins? Apparently your mother died this morning. Chaplain?
Which brings to mind this gem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppVpdsClN80
Philip Low is the CEO of NeuroVigil, a company that makes brain monitoring systems for assessing treatments and aiding communication with severely disabled people.
dv said:
Philip Low is the CEO of NeuroVigil, a company that makes brain monitoring systems for assessing treatments and aiding communication with severely disabled people.
Wow!
Michael V said:
dv said:
Philip Low is the CEO of NeuroVigil, a company that makes brain monitoring systems for assessing treatments and aiding communication with severely disabled people.
Wow!
I’m sure that Elon still has one or two friends here.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/27/bill-gates-elon-musk-far-right
Bill Gates calls Elon Musk’s embrace of far-right politicians abroad ‘insane shit’
Bill Gates has labelled Elon Musk’s embrace of far-right politicians and attempt to interfere in the politics of other countries – including the UK – as “insane shit”.
Musk has in recent weeks launched a series of unfounded smears at British politicians for supposedly covering up a rape scandal over a decade ago. The UK is currently preparing a new online safety law that would restrict some of Musk’s businesses, including the social media site X.
Musk – the boss of the electric carmaker Tesla and aerospace firm SpaceX – also gave a Nazi-style salute at a recent rally, and responded to the immediate global condemnation he received by posting a series of puns on the word “Nazi” and related terms. Monday was the 80th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi death camp Auschwitz.
Gates also lambasted Musk for embracing not just rightwing politicians but even more extreme ones to the far right, including celebrating the British anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson over the rightwing Reform party leader and Brexit champion Nigel Farage.
Musk has also come out in full-throated support of the far-right, anti-immigrant, nativist party Alternative für Deutschland (AfD).
“You want to promote the right wing but say Nigel Farage is not rightwing enough,” Gates told the Sunday Times. “I mean, this is insane shit. You are for the AfD …
“If someone is super-smart, and he is, they should think how they can help out. But this is populist stirring.”
Gates, the Microsoft co-founder and philanthropist, said that his fellow multibillionaire tech titan was guilty of “overreach”.
“It’s really insane that he can destabilise the political situations in countries,” Gates said. “I think in the US foreigners aren’t allowed to give money; other countries maybe should adopt safeguards to make sure super-rich foreigners aren’t distorting their elections.
The absolute hilarity of his claims is on the rise.
In case you don’t know, he’s referring to his Las Vegas loop, which is a single lane road tunnel, not disimilar to thousand that get built every year, except it is just for his Teslas. They go pretty slowly. The thing is, it’s not just his tweets. He’s flooded the field with press releases claiming the throughput is 32000 per day.
The system has run about 2 million passengers in total since 2022. Actual ridership is about 3000 per day.
For comparison, the NY Subway 6 line carries 400000 riders per day, the London Underground’s Northern Line carries 1 million passengers per day. Tokyo Metro’s Tozai line moves 1.6 million passengers per day.
It is troubling that someone with such a big platform has confidence that he can say up is down and the moon is cheese and be widely believed .
dv said:
The absolute hilarity of his claims is on the rise.
In case you don’t know, he’s referring to his Las Vegas loop, which is a single lane road tunnel, not disimilar to thousand that get built every year, except it is just for his Teslas. They go pretty slowly. The thing is, it’s not just his tweets. He’s flooded the field with press releases claiming the throughput is 32000 per day.
The system has run about 2 million passengers in total since 2022. Actual ridership is about 3000 per day.
For comparison, the NY Subway 6 line carries 400000 riders per day, the London Underground’s Northern Line carries 1 million passengers per day. Tokyo Metro’s Tozai line moves 1.6 million passengers per day.
It is troubling that someone with such a big platform has confidence that he can say up is down and the moon is cheese and be widely believed .
FMD
Michael V said:
dv said:
The absolute hilarity of his claims is on the rise.
In case you don’t know, he’s referring to his Las Vegas loop, which is a single lane road tunnel, not disimilar to thousand that get built every year, except it is just for his Teslas. They go pretty slowly. The thing is, it’s not just his tweets. He’s flooded the field with press releases claiming the throughput is 32000 per day.
The system has run about 2 million passengers in total since 2022. Actual ridership is about 3000 per day.
For comparison, the NY Subway 6 line carries 400000 riders per day, the London Underground’s Northern Line carries 1 million passengers per day. Tokyo Metro’s Tozai line moves 1.6 million passengers per day.
It is troubling that someone with such a big platform has confidence that he can say up is down and the moon is cheese and be widely believed .
FMD
we mean
It is troubling that someone with such a big platform has confidence that he can say up is down and the moon is cheese and be widely believed .
it was already troubling in 2016 so shrug
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/27/bill-gates-elon-musk-far-right
“It’s really insane that he can destabilise the political situations in countries,” Gates said. “I think in the US foreigners aren’t allowed to give money; other countries maybe should adopt safeguards to make sure super-rich foreigners aren’t distorting their elections.
That USSA Special Different Better Yeah
kii said:
Ha
dv said:
kii said:
Ha
+1
❤️
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-medicines-agency-quits-x-moves-bluesky-2025-01-27/
AMSTERDAM, Jan 27 (Reuters) – The European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Monday it would no longer post on X and would use rival Bluesky instead, becoming the latest organisation to quit a social media platform that some have criticised for its content.
❤️
SCIENCE said:
❤️
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-medicines-agency-quits-x-moves-bluesky-2025-01-27/
AMSTERDAM, Jan 27 (Reuters) – The European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Monday it would no longer post on X and would use rival Bluesky instead, becoming the latest organisation to quit a social media platform that some have criticised for its content.
❤️
Good!
:)
Boris said:
Come the Revolution, comrade, come the Revolution…
kii said:
LOLOL
Michael V said:
kii said:
LOLOL
Better even than ‘trashpanzers’.
How Elon Musk Became the Most Hated Man on Earth.
He used to be popular… what happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyFh8IUh5OU
Did I post this one earlier? I have nfi.
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy. Roundabout that time he started explaining why he thinks public transport is a deadend, and I became more aware of his union-busting, and then in 2020 he downplayed the threat of the virus and spread misinformation, tried to disrupt protection measures among his own staff. After that there was a steady drip drip drip of racial and political comments, his diatribe against what he called the “woke mind virus”, his daft hyperloop and Las Vegas Tesla Tunnel, learning that he did not found or have anything to do with the technolgoy of the companies he claimed to have founded, that he isn’t an engineer and doesn’t have the science or software background he purported and is basically just a venture capitalist who is good as self-promotion, so for me it was a slow roll off the bandwagon. This was even before he went all in on Trump and fully embraced the far right in Europe and the great white replacement conspiracy theories.
Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants and I suppose another skill Musk had was keeping all of this information out of the public eye or at least making sure it was not top-of-mind, because it was not exactly secret. To some extent people wanted him to be both good and clever since (and I’ll give him his due) one of the companies he put money into ended up playing a significant part in the decarbonisation of the economy.
dv said:
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy.
Same here. It’s been an increasingly downhill slide ever since.
dv said:
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy. Roundabout that time he started explaining why he thinks public transport is a deadend, and I became more aware of his union-busting, and then in 2020 he downplayed the threat of the virus and spread misinformation, tried to disrupt protection measures among his own staff. After that there was a steady drip drip drip of racial and political comments, his diatribe against what he called the “woke mind virus”, his daft hyperloop and Las Vegas Tesla Tunnel, learning that he did not found or have anything to do with the technolgoy of the companies he claimed to have founded, that he isn’t an engineer and doesn’t have the science or software background he purported and is basically just a venture capitalist who is good as self-promotion, so for me it was a slow roll off the bandwagon. This was even before he went all in on Trump and fully embraced the far right in Europe and the great white replacement conspiracy theories.Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants and I suppose another skill Musk had was keeping all of this information out of the public eye or at least making sure it was not top-of-mind, because it was not exactly secret. To some extent people wanted him to be both good and clever since (and I’ll give him his due) one of the companies he put money into ended up playing a significant part in the decarbonisation of the economy.
>>Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants
Well that’s not true, keep him bandaged and covered in betadine.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy. Roundabout that time he started explaining why he thinks public transport is a deadend, and I became more aware of his union-busting, and then in 2020 he downplayed the threat of the virus and spread misinformation, tried to disrupt protection measures among his own staff. After that there was a steady drip drip drip of racial and political comments, his diatribe against what he called the “woke mind virus”, his daft hyperloop and Las Vegas Tesla Tunnel, learning that he did not found or have anything to do with the technolgoy of the companies he claimed to have founded, that he isn’t an engineer and doesn’t have the science or software background he purported and is basically just a venture capitalist who is good as self-promotion, so for me it was a slow roll off the bandwagon. This was even before he went all in on Trump and fully embraced the far right in Europe and the great white replacement conspiracy theories.Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants and I suppose another skill Musk had was keeping all of this information out of the public eye or at least making sure it was not top-of-mind, because it was not exactly secret. To some extent people wanted him to be both good and clever since (and I’ll give him his due) one of the companies he put money into ended up playing a significant part in the decarbonisation of the economy.
>>Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants
Well that’s not true, keep him bandaged and covered in betadine.
LOL
dv said:
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy. Roundabout that time he started explaining why he thinks public transport is a deadend, and I became more aware of his union-busting, and then in 2020 he downplayed the threat of the virus and spread misinformation, tried to disrupt protection measures among his own staff. After that there was a steady drip drip drip of racial and political comments, his diatribe against what he called the “woke mind virus”, his daft hyperloop and Las Vegas Tesla Tunnel, learning that he did not found or have anything to do with the technolgoy of the companies he claimed to have founded, that he isn’t an engineer and doesn’t have the science or software background he purported and is basically just a venture capitalist who is good as self-promotion, so for me it was a slow roll off the bandwagon. This was even before he went all in on Trump and fully embraced the far right in Europe and the great white replacement conspiracy theories.Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants and I suppose another skill Musk had was keeping all of this information out of the public eye or at least making sure it was not top-of-mind, because it was not exactly secret. To some extent people wanted him to be both good and clever since (and I’ll give him his due) one of the companies he put money into ended up playing a significant part in the decarbonisation of the economy.
^
kii said:
Did I post this one earlier? I have nfi.
well thank fuck only close to but not more than a hundred people died
dv said:
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy. Roundabout that time he started explaining why he thinks public transport is a deadend, and I became more aware of his union-busting, and then in 2020 he downplayed the threat of the virus and spread misinformation, tried to disrupt protection measures among his own staff. After that there was a steady drip drip drip of racial and political comments, his diatribe against what he called the “woke mind virus”, his daft hyperloop and Las Vegas Tesla Tunnel, learning that he did not found or have anything to do with the technolgoy of the companies he claimed to have founded, that he isn’t an engineer and doesn’t have the science or software background he purported and is basically just a venture capitalist who is good as self-promotion, so for me it was a slow roll off the bandwagon. This was even before he went all in on Trump and fully embraced the far right in Europe and the great white replacement conspiracy theories.Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants and I suppose another skill Musk had was keeping all of this information out of the public eye or at least making sure it was not top-of-mind, because it was not exactly secret. To some extent people wanted him to be both good and clever since (and I’ll give him his due) one of the companies he put money into ended up playing a significant part in the decarbonisation of the economy.
Musk has never impressed me.
Boris said:
Heh!
:)
Michael V said:
Boris said:
Heh!
:)
causality reversal
dv said:
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy. Roundabout that time he started explaining why he thinks public transport is a deadend, and I became more aware of his union-busting, and then in 2020 he downplayed the threat of the virus and spread misinformation, tried to disrupt protection measures among his own staff. After that there was a steady drip drip drip of racial and political comments, his diatribe against what he called the “woke mind virus”, his daft hyperloop and Las Vegas Tesla Tunnel, learning that he did not found or have anything to do with the technolgoy of the companies he claimed to have founded, that he isn’t an engineer and doesn’t have the science or software background he purported and is basically just a venture capitalist who is good as self-promotion, so for me it was a slow roll off the bandwagon. This was even before he went all in on Trump and fully embraced the far right in Europe and the great white replacement conspiracy theories.Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants and I suppose another skill Musk had was keeping all of this information out of the public eye or at least making sure it was not top-of-mind, because it was not exactly secret. To some extent people wanted him to be both good and clever since (and I’ll give him his due) one of the companies he put money into ended up playing a significant part in the decarbonisation of the economy.
Yep. That’s when he started showing how stupid he can be.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
For me the slide started in 2018 with the Thai cave rescue, when he called one of the people involved in the rescue, Vern Unsworth, a pedo guy. Roundabout that time he started explaining why he thinks public transport is a deadend, and I became more aware of his union-busting, and then in 2020 he downplayed the threat of the virus and spread misinformation, tried to disrupt protection measures among his own staff. After that there was a steady drip drip drip of racial and political comments, his diatribe against what he called the “woke mind virus”, his daft hyperloop and Las Vegas Tesla Tunnel, learning that he did not found or have anything to do with the technolgoy of the companies he claimed to have founded, that he isn’t an engineer and doesn’t have the science or software background he purported and is basically just a venture capitalist who is good as self-promotion, so for me it was a slow roll off the bandwagon. This was even before he went all in on Trump and fully embraced the far right in Europe and the great white replacement conspiracy theories.Sunlight, as Louis Brandeis said, is the best of disinfectants and I suppose another skill Musk had was keeping all of this information out of the public eye or at least making sure it was not top-of-mind, because it was not exactly secret. To some extent people wanted him to be both good and clever since (and I’ll give him his due) one of the companies he put money into ended up playing a significant part in the decarbonisation of the economy.
Yep. That’s when he started showing how stupid he can be.
I was never into going to Mars, I have mocked the idea repeatedly, even before Elon was talking about it. I did think EVs were a good idea at the time, but I am not so sure about all the automated driving stuff that now seems to go with it. But the cave rescue really killed it for me too.
party_pants said:
]I was never into going to Mars, I have mocked the idea repeatedly, even before Elon was talking about it.
I was a humans to Mars fan, was quite fond of Zubrin’s writings on the topi (not for colonisation, for exploration). I suppose I was a bit more optimistic about the general situation on Earth back then.
dv said:
party_pants said:]I was never into going to Mars, I have mocked the idea repeatedly, even before Elon was talking about it.
I was a humans to Mars fan, was quite fond of Zubrin’s writings on the topi (not for colonisation, for exploration). I suppose I was a bit more optimistic about the general situation on Earth back then.
We were all interested in space travel until we learned about all the limitations.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
party_pants said:]I was never into going to Mars, I have mocked the idea repeatedly, even before Elon was talking about it.
I was a humans to Mars fan, was quite fond of Zubrin’s writings on the topi (not for colonisation, for exploration). I suppose I was a bit more optimistic about the general situation on Earth back then.
We were all interested in space travel until we learned about all the limitations.
If you can’t go faster than light, then you ain’t goin’ nowhere.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
party_pants said:]I was never into going to Mars, I have mocked the idea repeatedly, even before Elon was talking about it.
I was a humans to Mars fan, was quite fond of Zubrin’s writings on the topi (not for colonisation, for exploration). I suppose I was a bit more optimistic about the general situation on Earth back then.
We were all interested in space travel until we learned about all the limitations.
If you can’t go faster than light, then you ain’t goin’ nowhere.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I was a humans to Mars fan, was quite fond of Zubrin’s writings on the topi (not for colonisation, for exploration). I suppose I was a bit more optimistic about the general situation on Earth back then.
We were all interested in space travel until we learned about all the limitations.
If you can’t go faster than light, then you ain’t goin’ nowhere.
There’s the rub.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I was a humans to Mars fan, was quite fond of Zubrin’s writings on the topi (not for colonisation, for exploration). I suppose I was a bit more optimistic about the general situation on Earth back then.
We were all interested in space travel until we learned about all the limitations.
If you can’t go faster than light, then you ain’t goin’ nowhere.
The first person to break the light barrier will be famous, more famous than Chuck Yeager.
Well if they can ever find him.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:We were all interested in space travel until we learned about all the limitations.
If you can’t go faster than light, then you ain’t goin’ nowhere.
The first person to break the light barrier will be famous, more famous than Chuck Yeager.
Well if they can ever find him.
Anyway, I won’t stand on Elon’s way if he signs ip for the trip ro Mars.
AFAIK, it is still a one way trip.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:If you can’t go faster than light, then you ain’t goin’ nowhere.
The first person to break the light barrier will be famous, more famous than Chuck Yeager.
Well if they can ever find him.
Anyway, I won’t stand on Elon’s way if he signs ip for the trip ro Mars.
AFAIK, it is still a one way trip.
He can sign Donald Trump up for president of Mars. There, that will fix everything for a few weeks.
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.
He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
party_pants said:
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
Some of Australia’s harshest deserts are the closest we have to Mars, on earth.
party_pants said:
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
There’s been at least one simulated Mars base that’s been run for something like a year. Many problems occurred with the team. Personal battles with other members, etc.
Making it completely self-reliant and sustaining will be a herculean task.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
Some of Australia’s harshest deserts are the closest we have to Mars, on earth.
Yeah, but i was thinking somewhere with a thin atmosphere so you’d have to pressurise it. The other option is Tibet or Nepal up in the high plateau, but that might be politically more difficult.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
Some of Australia’s harshest deserts are the closest we have to Mars, on earth.
Yeah, but i was thinking somewhere with a thin atmosphere so you’d have to pressurise it. The other option is Tibet or Nepal up in the high plateau, but that might be politically more difficult.
true.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Some of Australia’s harshest deserts are the closest we have to Mars, on earth.
Yeah, but i was thinking somewhere with a thin atmosphere so you’d have to pressurise it. The other option is Tibet or Nepal up in the high plateau, but that might be politically more difficult.
true.
Maybe Patagonia?
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
There’s been at least one simulated Mars base that’s been run for something like a year. Many problems occurred with the team. Personal battles with other members, etc.
Making it completely self-reliant and sustaining will be a herculean task.
That was Biosphere 2 i think. They later admitted the structure didn’t seal or something like that, and fresh air from the outside was getting in. Compromising the whole experiment.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
There’s been at least one simulated Mars base that’s been run for something like a year. Many problems occurred with the team. Personal battles with other members, etc.
Making it completely self-reliant and sustaining will be a herculean task.
That was Biosphere 2 i think. They later admitted the structure didn’t seal or something like that, and fresh air from the outside was getting in. Compromising the whole experiment.
Nah, there’s been some others done;
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/mars-research-isolation-emerge-nasa-hi-seas-1.4294239
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
If Elon (or anyone else) really wants to do a trip to Mars, build a functioning habitat on Earth as a trial first. Pick some cold and remote place, and build an enclosed dome town. I’m thinking up in the Atacama Desert in the Andes or something like that. See if you can build a self-sustaining human settlement and an artificial environment first.He has got the money to be doing it now, if he is serious.
Harder than you think, the Biosphere 2 mob failed. AFAIK nobody has tried it since.
There’s been at least one simulated Mars base that’s been run for something like a year. Many problems occurred with the team. Personal battles with other members, etc.
Making it completely self-reliant and sustaining will be a herculean task.
That was Biosphere 2 i think. They later admitted the structure didn’t seal or something like that, and fresh air from the outside was getting in. Compromising the whole experiment.
No it was a simulated Mars base, not an sealed environment. It was more to study how the team would go over the year (or however long it was) and to sort out various procedures for such a base.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:If you can’t go faster than light, then you ain’t goin’ nowhere.
The first person to break the light barrier will be famous, more famous than Chuck Yeager.
Well if they can ever find him.
Anyway, I won’t stand on Elon’s way if he signs ip for the trip ro Mars.
AFAIK, it is still a one way trip.
If i thought that he would and could really go, i’d contribute to the cost of his ticket.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:There’s been at least one simulated Mars base that’s been run for something like a year. Many problems occurred with the team. Personal battles with other members, etc.
Making it completely self-reliant and sustaining will be a herculean task.
That was Biosphere 2 i think. They later admitted the structure didn’t seal or something like that, and fresh air from the outside was getting in. Compromising the whole experiment.
No it was a simulated Mars base, not an sealed environment. It was more to study how the team would go over the year (or however long it was) and to sort out various procedures for such a base.
OK. I had not heard of that. I’ll take your word for it.
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:There’s been at least one simulated Mars base that’s been run for something like a year. Many problems occurred with the team. Personal battles with other members, etc.
Making it completely self-reliant and sustaining will be a herculean task.
That was Biosphere 2 i think. They later admitted the structure didn’t seal or something like that, and fresh air from the outside was getting in. Compromising the whole experiment.
No it was a simulated Mars base, not an sealed environment. It was more to study how the team would go over the year (or however long it was) and to sort out various procedures for such a base.
Wasn’t the problem with Biosphere 2 something to do with concrete?
captain_spalding said:
The sad thing is .. someone had to go to actual effort to do that.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
The sad thing is .. someone had to go to actual effort to do that.
Yeah.
But, it wouldn’t have taken very long.
And then you can post it on X/Twitter, so that Elon gets to see it.
buffy said:
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
That was Biosphere 2 i think. They later admitted the structure didn’t seal or something like that, and fresh air from the outside was getting in. Compromising the whole experiment.
No it was a simulated Mars base, not an sealed environment. It was more to study how the team would go over the year (or however long it was) and to sort out various procedures for such a base.
Wasn’t the problem with Biosphere 2 something to do with concrete?
the one we read said too much CO2 and the concrete acidified and weakened unexpectedly rapidly
captain_spalding said:
:)
kii said:
Musk has never impressed me.
Well congrats.
I binged The Good Place last year and apparently the writers were ahead of the curve as well, since in a 2017 episode Tahani says, “you know, reach for the stars, as I said to my good friend Elon Musk, and then he shot his car into space. What a weird creep. Why was I his friend?”
dv said:
kii said:
Musk has never impressed me.
Well congrats.
I binged The Good Place last year and apparently the writers were ahead of the curve as well, since in a 2017 episode Tahani says, “you know, reach for the stars, as I said to my good friend Elon Musk, and then he shot his car into space. What a weird creep. Why was I his friend?”
we mean there’s an argument to be made for “it’s better to be wrong and learn what’s right, than to accidentally be right and never learn to change” kind of thing
dv said:
kii said:Musk has never impressed me.
Well congrats.
I binged The Good Place last year and apparently the writers were ahead of the curve as well, since in a 2017 episode Tahani says, “you know, reach for the stars, as I said to my good friend Elon Musk, and then he shot his car into space. What a weird creep. Why was I his friend?”
To me presented as a creepy man-child. Too much privilege. Too much money. Alarm bells ringing loudly.
kii said:
That’s a good one.
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycott
Elon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
dv said:
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycottElon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
In the Land of the Free it’s illegal to not use social media platform?
dv said:
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycottElon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
It’s hard to imagine how they’ve got even a remote case.
Things are crook in Tallarook when I have to side with Nestlé
dv said:
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycottElon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
Weird.
“You must spend you money advertising with me!”
party_pants said:
dv said:
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycottElon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
It’s hard to imagine how they’ve got even a remote case.
imagine how he would feel if he had the MFW’s go after him like what they are doing to kyle.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycottElon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
It’s hard to imagine how they’ve got even a remote case.
imagine how he would feel if he had the MFW’s go after him like what they are doing to kyle.
I wish that they do.
don’t worry the supreme court is captured so it’ll be fine
We can hope that this is an opportunity for the courts to tell Elon to pull his f***ing head in.
captain_spalding said:
We can hope that this is an opportunity for the courts to tell Elon to pull his f***ing head in.
They are Public Servants. Musk has control of the Office of Personnel Management. Perhaps they are State Public Servants, but I doubt his power completely stops in the Federal Jurisdiction now…
captain_spalding said:
We can hope that this is an opportunity for the courts to tell Elon to pull his f***ing head in.
It’s a time and place where Elon needs to show up, for anyone who is into planning ahead …
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycottElon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
It’s hard to imagine how they’ve got even a remote case.
imagine how he would feel if he had the MFW’s go after him like what they are doing to kyle.
If only!
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Elon Musk’s X sues Lego, Nestlé and more brands, accusing them of advertising boycottElon Musk’s X broadened an existing lawsuit on Saturday to include several major brands — accusing more companies of illegally boycotting the social media platform in 2022 following Musk’s acquisition.
The suit, which was filed last year in a federal court in Texas, initially targeted the boycott organizer, the World Federation of Advertisers, along with companies including CVS and video-streaming platform Twitch.
But early on Saturday, Musk’s lawyers filed an amended complaint, adding several new defendants, including Lego, Nestlé, Tyson Foods, Abbott Laboratories, Colgate-Palmolive, Pinterest and Shell International.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/01/nx-s1-5283271/elon-musk-lawsuit-advertisers-boycott-new
In the Land of the Free it’s illegal to not use social media platform?
The world is becoming a strange place.
pretty quiet on the shill front recently
anyway
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
alleged
alleged
A staffer connected to Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency resigned on Thursday after now-deleted racist social media posts were resurfaced. The resignation was confirmed by a White House official who was not authorized to speak publicly. Marko Elez, a 25-year-old software engineer, was working inside the Treasury Department to cut costs and root out fraud, as part of Musk’s DOGE effort. Elez, who formerly worked at Musk companies X and SpaceX, was one of two temporary appointees at Treasury connected to DOGE who have been granted access to a highly sensitive Treasury system that processes trillions of dollars in payments every year.
sorry that first might have been better placed here
ChrispenEvan said:
poikilotherm said:
Cymek said:
Whilst the amount is important, the gesture is equally so.
You give them your last $20 its much more of a gesture
Gestures are only useful to your ego.
some gestures are good to wind up others.
This refers to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
dv said:
This refers to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
That’s Elizabeth Warren’s baby.
dv said:
This refers to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Fk Musk.
Bogsnorkler said:
Mr Musk.
That’s blasphemy!
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Mr Musk.
That’s blasphemy!
they spell endorse wrong
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Mr Musk.
That’s blasphemy!
they spell endorse wrong
Yes. It looks like it.
I like how he makes a salad of the big stupid and the little stupid.
Melanin is the pigment that makes skin dark, not melatonin
Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people in West Asia, including the Old Yishuv who lived in Palestine before the first waves of immigration, tend to be olive or light brown skinned. The Bene Israel in India are also brown skinned. The Beta Israel in Ethiopia are brown skinned. The modern population of Israel is mainly immigrants from the former USSR and their descendants so they are mainly white Europeans.
Leon Skum’s new nickname.
dv said:
I like how he makes a salad of the big stupid and the little stupid.
Melanin is the pigment that makes skin dark, not melatonin
Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people in West Asia, including the Old Yishuv who lived in Palestine before the first waves of immigration, tend to be olive or light brown skinned. The Bene Israel in India are also brown skinned. The Beta Israel in Ethiopia are brown skinned. The modern population of Israel is mainly immigrants from the former USSR and their descendants so they are mainly white Europeans.
so essentially all the imperialists in recent and modern history are white Europeans plain and simple
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
I like how he makes a salad of the big stupid and the little stupid.
Melanin is the pigment that makes skin dark, not melatonin
Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people in West Asia, including the Old Yishuv who lived in Palestine before the first waves of immigration, tend to be olive or light brown skinned. The Bene Israel in India are also brown skinned. The Beta Israel in Ethiopia are brown skinned. The modern population of Israel is mainly immigrants from the former USSR and their descendants so they are mainly white Europeans.
so essentially all the imperialists in recent and modern history are white Europeans plain and simple
I don’t know about that. Maasai, for example.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
I like how he makes a salad of the big stupid and the little stupid.
Melanin is the pigment that makes skin dark, not melatonin
Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people in West Asia, including the Old Yishuv who lived in Palestine before the first waves of immigration, tend to be olive or light brown skinned. The Bene Israel in India are also brown skinned. The Beta Israel in Ethiopia are brown skinned. The modern population of Israel is mainly immigrants from the former USSR and their descendants so they are mainly white Europeans.
so essentially all the imperialists in recent and modern history are white Europeans plain and simple
I don’t know about that. Maasai, for example.
I suspect that SCIENCE wasn’t entirely serious.
But it’s hard to tell.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
I like how he makes a salad of the big stupid and the little stupid.
Melanin is the pigment that makes skin dark, not melatonin
Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people in West Asia, including the Old Yishuv who lived in Palestine before the first waves of immigration, tend to be olive or light brown skinned. The Bene Israel in India are also brown skinned. The Beta Israel in Ethiopia are brown skinned. The modern population of Israel is mainly immigrants from the former USSR and their descendants so they are mainly white Europeans.
so essentially all the imperialists in recent and modern history are white Europeans plain and simple
I don’t know about that. Maasai, for example.
Or Japan. China, arguably.
Actually given that birb flew is tearing through Japan, maybe they should ban torisashi for a while.
dv said:
Actually given that birb flew is tearing through Japan, maybe they should ban torisashi for a while.
Nods.
I think the main issue I have with the reported calorific/kJ content of food is the way it’s measured: the food is put into a calorimeter and set alight. The energy emitted during combustion is measured, and that’s the energy content of the food. Our bodies don’t extract energy from food that way, and we don’t use all the energy in it anyway (if we/animals did, manure wouldn’t be any good for gardens, since there’d be no nutrients in it.)
Calorie/kJ counting is a simple method of measuring food energy intake, and so it’s suitable for the masses, but energy intake is not that simple. Consider dairy products, for example: I’ve previously noted that studies have shown that people who consume dairy products excrete up to three times the fat people who don’t consume them. The energy intake is thus nothing like what would be shown by simple calorie/kJ counting.
btm said:
I think the main issue I have with the reported calorific/kJ content of food is the way it’s measured: the food is put into a calorimeter and set alight. The energy emitted during combustion is measured, and that’s the energy content of the food. Our bodies don’t extract energy from food that way, and we don’t use all the energy in it anyway (if we/animals did, manure wouldn’t be any good for gardens, since there’d be no nutrients in it.)Calorie/kJ counting is a simple method of measuring food energy intake, and so it’s suitable for the masses, but energy intake is not that simple. Consider dairy products, for example: I’ve previously noted that studies have shown that people who consume dairy products excrete up to three times the fat people who don’t consume them. The energy intake is thus nothing like what would be shown by simple calorie/kJ counting.
Sorry, don’t knw how this got into this thread. It was meant for chat.
dv said:
I like how he makes a salad of the big stupid and the little stupid.
Melanin is the pigment that makes skin dark, not melatonin
Judaism is a religion. The Jewish people in West Asia, including the Old Yishuv who lived in Palestine before the first waves of immigration, tend to be olive or light brown skinned. The Bene Israel in India are also brown skinned. The Beta Israel in Ethiopia are brown skinned. The modern population of Israel is mainly immigrants from the former USSR and their descendants so they are mainly white Europeans.
reading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin
btm said:
btm said:
I think the main issue I have with the reported calorific/kJ content of food is the way it’s measured: the food is put into a calorimeter and set alight. The energy emitted during combustion is measured, and that’s the energy content of the food. Our bodies don’t extract energy from food that way, and we don’t use all the energy in it anyway (if we/animals did, manure wouldn’t be any good for gardens, since there’d be no nutrients in it.)
Calorie/kJ counting is a simple method of measuring food energy intake, and so it’s suitable for the masses, but energy intake is not that simple. Consider dairy products, for example: I’ve previously noted that studies have shown that people who consume dairy products excrete up to three times the fat people who don’t consume them. The energy intake is thus nothing like what would be shown by simple calorie/kJ counting.
Sorry, don’t knw how this got into this thread. It was meant for chat.
Exactement, utilisez le Système International d’Unités (死) ou mourez, foutreurs des meres!
attendez
btm said:
I think the main issue I have with the reported calorific/kJ content of food is the way it’s measured: the food is put into a calorimeter and set alight. The energy emitted during combustion is measured, and that’s the energy content of the food. Our bodies don’t extract energy from food that way, and we don’t use all the energy in it anyway (if we/animals did, manure wouldn’t be any good for gardens, since there’d be no nutrients in it.)Calorie/kJ counting is a simple method of measuring food energy intake, and so it’s suitable for the masses, but energy intake is not that simple. Consider dairy products, for example: I’ve previously noted that studies have shown that people who consume dairy products excrete up to three times the fat people who don’t consume them. The energy intake is thus nothing like what would be shown by simple calorie/kJ counting.
Do you have a reference for the dairy products and fat excretion? I’d certainly be interested in reading more about that.
Michael V said:
btm said:
I think the main issue I have with the reported calorific/kJ content of food is the way it’s measured: the food is put into a calorimeter and set alight. The energy emitted during combustion is measured, and that’s the energy content of the food. Our bodies don’t extract energy from food that way, and we don’t use all the energy in it anyway (if we/animals did, manure wouldn’t be any good for gardens, since there’d be no nutrients in it.)Calorie/kJ counting is a simple method of measuring food energy intake, and so it’s suitable for the masses, but energy intake is not that simple. Consider dairy products, for example: I’ve previously noted that studies have shown that people who consume dairy products excrete up to three times the fat people who don’t consume them. The energy intake is thus nothing like what would be shown by simple calorie/kJ counting.
Do you have a reference for the dairy products and fat excretion? I’d certainly be interested in reading more about that.
I have, but it’ll have to wait until I get home. There were several studies, and a Cochrane review. I remember we discussed it here a few years ago.
btm said:
Michael V said:
btm said:
I think the main issue I have with the reported calorific/kJ content of food is the way it’s measured: the food is put into a calorimeter and set alight. The energy emitted during combustion is measured, and that’s the energy content of the food. Our bodies don’t extract energy from food that way, and we don’t use all the energy in it anyway (if we/animals did, manure wouldn’t be any good for gardens, since there’d be no nutrients in it.)Calorie/kJ counting is a simple method of measuring food energy intake, and so it’s suitable for the masses, but energy intake is not that simple. Consider dairy products, for example: I’ve previously noted that studies have shown that people who consume dairy products excrete up to three times the fat people who don’t consume them. The energy intake is thus nothing like what would be shown by simple calorie/kJ counting.
Do you have a reference for the dairy products and fat excretion? I’d certainly be interested in reading more about that.
I have, but it’ll have to wait until I get home. There were several studies, and a Cochrane review. I remember we discussed it here a few years ago.
>> Increased dairy intake as part of an energy restricted diet moderately enhanced bodyweight and fat mass loss in 18-50yr olds. Further research is needed to confirm these effects in men. <<
I Google searched on “dairy products energy Cochrane”. You get quite a few results and some like this one that are not Cochrane.
Call me crazy but I think it might be a bad idea to give someone under investigation by so many departments free rein to punish or eliminate those departments.
dv said:
Call me crazy but I think it might be a bad idea to give someone under investigation by so many departments free rein to punish or eliminate those departments.
right but obviously for the right people it’s the best idea
dv said:
Call me crazy but I think it might be a bad idea to give someone under investigation by so many departments free rein to punish or eliminate those departments.
I think Trump and Musk have made a deal where Musk gets unfettered control to do what he likes.
Bypass ethics and morality to implement various programs.
A decent person would have nothing to do with Trump
dv said:
Call me crazy but I think it might be a bad idea to give someone under investigation by so many departments free rein to punish or eliminate those departments.
I totally agree.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Call me crazy but I think it might be a bad idea to give someone under investigation by so many departments free rein to punish or eliminate those departments.
I totally agree.
“It’s Not Corruption If It’s Legal”
sarahs mum said:
No, just ordinary vanity.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
No, just ordinary vanity.
He looks taller than Trump (may his tribe increase) or is it the platform shoes?
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
No, just ordinary vanity.
He looks taller than Trump (may his tribe increase) or is it the platform shoes?
To borrow a phrase, he seems to be an experiment in how high shit can be stacked.
thankfully putain is diminuitive
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:No, just ordinary vanity.
He looks taller than Trump (may his tribe increase) or is it the platform shoes?
To borrow a phrase, he seems to be an experiment in how high shit can be stacked.
I’m not a man of violence, but he has a particularly punchable plastic face.
Who knows, we might be treated to the spectacle of a Trump/Musk punch-up before long.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:He looks taller than Trump (may his tribe increase) or is it the platform shoes?
To borrow a phrase, he seems to be an experiment in how high shit can be stacked.
I’m not a man of violence, but he has a particularly punchable plastic face.
Who knows, we might be treated to the spectacle of a Trump/Musk punch-up before long.
A guillotine-off might be more fun.
Bubblecar said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:He looks taller than Trump (may his tribe increase) or is it the platform shoes?
To borrow a phrase, he seems to be an experiment in how high shit can be stacked.
I’m not a man of violence, but he has a particularly punchable plastic face.
Who knows, we might be treated to the spectacle of a Trump/Musk punch-up before long.
Now that’d be good!
https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3lhznh5k3hc27
Heh, just perfect. :)
Hate speech on X rose by 50% after Musk’s acquisition, analysis suggests
A new analysis suggests that the rate of hate speech on X was about 50% higher for several months after Elon Musk purchased the social media platform than in prior months, and the amount of bot and bot-like accounts did not decline. Daniel Hickey of the University of California, Berkeley, U.S., and colleagues present these findings in the open-access journal PLOS One on February 12, 2025.
More…
Tau.Neutrino said:
Hate speech on X rose by 50% after Musk’s acquisition, analysis suggestsA new analysis suggests that the rate of hate speech on X was about 50% higher for several months after Elon Musk purchased the social media platform than in prior months, and the amount of bot and bot-like accounts did not decline. Daniel Hickey of the University of California, Berkeley, U.S., and colleagues present these findings in the open-access journal PLOS One on February 12, 2025.
More…
“Gee, I’m quite surprised by that”; said nobody.
Grown men with huge platforms and a childlike understanding of how the world works.
dv said:
Grown men with huge platforms and a childlike understanding of how the world works.
Yeah, ultra-rich people are smart, they stop when they’re sure that they have enough.
That’s how they got to be ultra-rich.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Grown men with huge platforms and a childlike understanding of how the world works.
Yeah, ultra-rich people are smart, they stop when they’re sure that they have enough.
That’s how they got to be ultra-rich.
He is hopefully about to go broke through the collapse of Tesla and X, because he has pissed off his core customer base. When that happens he’ll sure as hell be after the Federal Government’s budget, particularly the wages part of it. He will transform X from a social media platform into a digital financial services platform, and award himself the contract to control all of the government wages, and probably social welfare payments too, through X. Nobody can do any business with the government without having an X account. He probably read the bit about the Mark of The Beast in the book of Revelation, and thought it was a great idea to copy.
Your task America, should you choose to accept it, is to send Elon bankrupt before he can complete the takeover of all Federal Government payments.
dv said:
ROFLMAO
You’re going to have to explain it for the others though.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Grown men with huge platforms and a childlike understanding of how the world works.
Yeah, ultra-rich people are smart, they stop when they’re sure that they have enough.
That’s how they got to be ultra-rich.
He is hopefully about to go broke through the collapse of Tesla and X, because he has pissed off his core customer base. When that happens he’ll sure as hell be after the Federal Government’s budget, particularly the wages part of it. He will transform X from a social media platform into a digital financial services platform, and award himself the contract to control all of the government wages, and probably social welfare payments too, through X. Nobody can do any business with the government without having an X account. He probably read the bit about the Mark of The Beast in the book of Revelation, and thought it was a great idea to copy.
Your task America, should you choose to accept it, is to send Elon bankrupt before he can complete the takeover of all Federal Government payments.
Elon’s plan is for X to be an Indue Card on steroids. Just like he always wanted with PayPal to be.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Grown men with huge platforms and a childlike understanding of how the world works.
Yeah, ultra-rich people are smart, they stop when they’re sure that they have enough.
That’s how they got to be ultra-rich.
He is hopefully about to go broke through the collapse of Tesla and X, because he has pissed off his core customer base. When that happens he’ll sure as hell be after the Federal Government’s budget, particularly the wages part of it. He will transform X from a social media platform into a digital financial services platform, and award himself the contract to control all of the government wages, and probably social welfare payments too, through X. Nobody can do any business with the government without having an X account. He probably read the bit about the Mark of The Beast in the book of Revelation, and thought it was a great idea to copy.
Your task America, should you choose to accept it, is to send Elon bankrupt before he can complete the takeover of all Federal Government payments.
May all his rockets explode on the launchpad.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:Yeah, ultra-rich people are smart, they stop when they’re sure that they have enough.
That’s how they got to be ultra-rich.
He is hopefully about to go broke through the collapse of Tesla and X, because he has pissed off his core customer base. When that happens he’ll sure as hell be after the Federal Government’s budget, particularly the wages part of it. He will transform X from a social media platform into a digital financial services platform, and award himself the contract to control all of the government wages, and probably social welfare payments too, through X. Nobody can do any business with the government without having an X account. He probably read the bit about the Mark of The Beast in the book of Revelation, and thought it was a great idea to copy.
Your task America, should you choose to accept it, is to send Elon bankrupt before he can complete the takeover of all Federal Government payments.
May all his rockets explode on the launchpad.
May he be forced to sell off his stake in Space X to pay off his debts when the Tesla share price collapses. Without Musk, Space X can still be a worthwhile enterprise.
dv said:
LOLOLOL
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Grown men with huge platforms and a childlike understanding of how the world works.
Yeah, ultra-rich people are smart, they stop when they’re sure that they have enough.
That’s how they got to be ultra-rich.
Hey אברהם וואַלד, what is a survivorship bias¿
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Grown men with huge platforms and a childlike understanding of how the world works.
Yeah, ultra-rich people are smart, they stop when they’re sure that they have enough.
That’s how they got to be ultra-rich.
Hey אברהם וואַלד, what is a survivorship bias¿
PermeateFree said:
correct and good, we like more of this from this contributor
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
It’s like i always say: society is to blame.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
It’s like i always say: society is to blame.
imagine if rich faeces had access to mass media like social media and they had fucking huge platforms and they bought “data analytics” voting manipulation engines and then suddenly it was the public’s fault for being fucking stupid and uncritically unthinking wait
ah
wait
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
It’s like i always say: society is to blame.
imagine if rich faeces had access to mass media like social media and they had fucking huge platforms and they bought “data analytics” voting manipulation engines and then suddenly it was the public’s fault for being fucking stupid and uncritically unthinking wait
ah
wait
Well, the huge sums of money Clive Palmer spent trying to get his party elected was not a great success, simply because the people did not like him and refused to give him their vote. The American public did like Trump and Musk making it easy to give them their vote, but it is still the voting public making the decision and it is those you should be cursing the most.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
It’s like i always say: society is to blame.
I use FB etc to deride the trump voters. I don’t see any here to deride. Just Fanbois.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
It’s like i always say: society is to blame.
I use FB etc to deride the trump voters. I don’t see any here to deride. Just Fanbois.
yeah the deflection is real
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
It’s like i always say: society is to blame.
I use FB etc to deride the trump voters. I don’t see any here to deride. Just Fanbois.
Shame you find it necessary to use disinformation to make a point, which only proves you didn’t have a point to start with.
darvo
SCIENCE said:
darvo
You and others are so consumed with hatred that you have become irrational.
darvo
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:correct and good, we like more of this from this contributor
I haven’t got around to reading the post yet, I assume it is an informed criticism of Musk and greatly looking forward to it.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
Don’t hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
Don’t hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen.
That seems back to front. Who gave the henchmen so much power and the licence to use it?
party_pants said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
Don’t hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen.
That seems back to front. Who gave the henchmen so much power and the licence to use it?
Yes exactly. But you can’t reason with some people.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:Don’t hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen.
That seems back to front. Who gave the henchmen so much power and the licence to use it?
Yes exactly. But you can’t reason with some people.
So why not hate them all?
(hate is maybe too strong a word in this context, I mean more like intellectually repudiate them and whatever it is they stand for, show them no respect, or better still show them open disrespect)
Arts said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
Don’t hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen.
>>>>>>>>> Don’t just hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen as well.
fixed
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
Michael V said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
Don’t hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen.
>>>>>>>>> Don’t just hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen as well.
fixed
I hate everybody. saves time.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
These will be mostly white christians.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
too many of the wrong kind.
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
These will be mostly white christians.
hopefully they’ll have to pass a christianity test before they’re allowed in.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
These will be mostly white christians.
hopefully they’ll have to pass a christianity test before they’re allowed in.
The non-Trump voters will probably do well on a test of traditional christian values. Plus they already speak english, even if it is a strange dialect.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:These will be mostly white christians.
hopefully they’ll have to pass a christianity test before they’re allowed in.
The non-Trump voters will probably do well on a test of traditional christian values. Plus they already speak english, even if it is a strange dialect.
Proverbs 22:16 One who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and one who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty
Divine Angel said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:hopefully they’ll have to pass a christianity test before they’re allowed in.
The non-Trump voters will probably do well on a test of traditional christian values. Plus they already speak english, even if it is a strange dialect.
Proverbs 22:16 One who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and one who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty
you wouldn’t be allowed to google pithy bible sayings when sitting the test!
Fuck those white English speaking Christian racists.
Peak Warming Man said:
Fuck those white English speaking Christian racists.
only if they consent
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Fuck those white English speaking Christian racists.
only if they consent
Well this is what a thread with hate in its title descends into when a bunch of leftists try to outdo one another.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Fuck those white English speaking Christian racists.
only if they consent
Well this is what a thread with hate in its title descends into when a bunch of leftists try to outdo one another.
Leftists! Where??
It’s so far right now that even centrists are woke leftists.
WOKE = Whatever Offends Klansmen Easily
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Fuck those white English speaking Christian racists.
only if they consent
Well this is what a thread with hate in its title descends into when a bunch of leftists try to outdo one another.
Yes fuck racists, I agree.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Fuck those white English speaking Christian racists.
only if they consent
Well this is what a thread with hate in its title descends into when a bunch of leftists try to outdo one another.
All You Need Is 爱
party_pants said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
These will be mostly white christians.
well then they can fuck off to Rwanda as well, we had quite a good trend towards secular enlightenment until all this shit went down
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
Arts said:
Don’t hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen.
>>>>>>>>> Don’t just hate the top bad guy, hate the henchmen as well.
fixed
I hate everybody. saves time.
Hey that’s our line yous plagiarising shameless pricks¡
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
These will be mostly white christians.
well then they can fuck off to Rwanda as well, we had quite a good trend towards secular enlightenment until all this shit went down
Maybe we can just take the agnostics and apostates then?
Bogsnorkler said:
buffy said:
party_pants said:Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
too many of the wrong kind.
Darkies.
Bogsnorkler said:
party_pants said:
buffy said:But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
These will be mostly white christians.
hopefully they’ll have to pass a christianity test before they’re allowed in.
Hopefully, to prove that they’re not ‘Christians’, as the term seems to be applied in the US these days.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
These will be mostly white christians.
well then they can fuck off to Rwanda as well, we had quite a good trend towards secular enlightenment until all this shit went down
Maybe we can just take the agnostics and apostates then?
And no poofters.
Everybody agreed……..Bruce.
Yeah
Bruce agreed?
Yeah
What about you Bruce.
Yeah
And Bruce.
I’ll go along with whatever Bruce says.
buffy said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Why don’t all the people here who obviously hate Trump and Musk take it out on the real villains, that is the people who voted Trump into power, who intern then gave Musk his position. The US election despite all its flaws was and is democratic and he was fairly voted into office. It’s like someone breaking the law and being thrown into jail, to then complain that they don’t like the other people in there with them.
Oh, the MAGA voters get tonnes of hate, and well deserved too.
my interest now is in getting as many of the sensible ones who didn’t vote for him over here as refugees.
But doesn’t our Opposition say we already take too many immigrants?
They want us to rescue the subjugated white Seth Efricans.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
well then they can fuck off to Rwanda as well, we had quite a good trend towards secular enlightenment until all this shit went down
Maybe we can just take the agnostics and apostates then?
And no poofters.
Everybody agreed……..Bruce.
Yeah
Bruce agreed?
Yeah
What about you Bruce.
Yeah
And Bruce.
I’ll go along with whatever Bruce says.
ah well we suppose we have to allow some free speech
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2005/sep/29/comedy.religion
So now with Elon running the government, all chem-trails are
being sprayed in an X to promote Twitter!
Bogsnorkler said:
So now with Elon running the government, all chem-trails are
being sprayed in an X to promote Twitter!
we thought they were sprayed in a blue
sky
wait
dv said:
:)))
Obviously, no downward limit for the Loony Left.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
:)))
Obviously, no downward limit for the Loony Left.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
Kingy said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
:)))
Obviously, no downward limit for the Loony Left.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
PF didn’t know what the left and right of politics was until about 5 months ago.
Kingy said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
:)))
Obviously, no downward limit for the Loony Left.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
Do you?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
PermeateFree said::)))
Obviously, no downward limit for the Loony Left.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
PF didn’t know what the left and right of politics was until about 5 months ago.
Oh, from the mouth of babes. :)))
dv said:
drain the swamp
kii said:
dv said:
Good comment.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Good comment.
爱癌
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Good comment.
爱癌
No I don’t.
Elon Musk – a man with such awkward hand gestures he needs a specially designed steering wheel.
(Not mine – I pinched it from somewhere else)
Sales down for CyberTrucks might largely reflect current motor market.
Harley-Davidson’s annual report for 2024 is out. Sadly, its numbers do not look good. The company recorded a 60% drop in motorcycle revenue and sold 53% fewer motorcycles in its last quarter compared to the same period in 2023. Ouch.
Now whether you’re a Harley fan or not is irrelevant. For a company as historic as Harley to experience a slump like this is worrying. Considering how things have gone for KTM since it announced its financial crisis, I’m worried about Harley.
The company sold significantly fewer motorcycles than anticipated. For North America specifically, the final three months of 2024 saw a 13% decline in sales. The reason? Official word cites economic instability and high interest rates. But how is it that other brands like Triumph and MV Agusta are thriving?
https://newatlas.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson-revenue-slumps
PermeateFree said:
Sales down for CyberTrucks might largely reflect current ownership.
Fixed
In fairness, Tesla’s EV market share was already in freefall before Musk became de facto President so it might just be because of his general characteristics rather than specific things he has done in office.
dv said:
In fairness, Tesla’s EV market share was already in freefall before Musk became de facto President so it might just be because of his general characteristics rather than specific things he has done in office.
or ..both.
dv said:
gotta start somewhere, is this more than just an ad hominem argument though
Three things.
1) fuck these guys: incompetent ghouls.
2) This is one of the weirdest things ever to happen in a supposed democracy. DOGE isn’t even a government Department: Department heads that are responsible for spending decisions are appointed by elected officials in Congress, and can be removed from office by Congress, and ultimately members of Congress can be removed from office by the voting public. These DOGE actions seem to be completely out of the loop of recourse for errant behaviour.
3) there seems to be a religion in the US that believes all government spending is bad and a drag on the economy, whereas usually it is the key to a successful economy. The US’s best days, with expanding infrastructure and improved standards of living, where when public spending was high. It’s fine to eliminate waste so that you can make sure that money is spent well, but there should be a high burden of proof that a program is detrimental before it is cancelled because there mere fact of sudden drastic change can cause costly disruption.
dv said:
Three things.
1) fuck these guys: incompetent ghouls.
2) This is one of the weirdest things ever to happen in a supposed democracy. DOGE isn’t even a government Department: Department heads that are responsible for spending decisions are appointed by elected officials in Congress, and can be removed from office by Congress, and ultimately members of Congress can be removed from office by the voting public. These DOGE actions seem to be completely out of the loop of recourse for errant behaviour.
3) there seems to be a religion in the US that believes all government spending is bad and a drag on the economy, whereas usually it is the key to a successful economy. The US’s best days, with expanding infrastructure and improved standards of living, where when public spending was high. It’s fine to eliminate waste so that you can make sure that money is spent well, but there should be a high burden of proof that a program is detrimental before it is cancelled because there mere fact of sudden drastic change can cause costly disruption.
So Elon didn’t get support from this scheme when he was at school?
pretty sure someone posted part of this around here previously but here’s the follow up
SCIENCE said:
pretty sure someone posted part of this around here previously but here’s the follow up
disclaimer now they reckon the grift is a metagrift
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“…other organisms…”?
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
round-up ready.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“…other organisms…”?
Reptilians.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“…other organisms…”?
Reptilians.
Of course.
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
humans in the DPRNA, or humans in the rest of the world
party_pants said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Well it could be organisms other than Musk and St Clair. People who are intelligent, for instance.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
humans in the DPRNA, or humans in the rest of the world
As his daughter says, he does love his 14s.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
humans in the DPRNA, or humans in the rest of the world
As his daughter says, he does love his 14s.
there’s probably some good reason for this happy accident, 14th of February is the day to send your heart out to the audience it’s just innocent love
party_pants said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Pity about Global Warming, etc., etc., etc., etc. Other organisms weren’t intelligent enough to do that.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
humans in the DPRNA, or humans in the rest of the world
As his daughter says, he does love his 14s.
there’s probably some good reason for this happy accident, 14th of February is the day to send your heart out to the audience it’s just innocent love
Lol
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Pity about Global Warming, etc., etc., etc., etc. Other organisms weren’t intelligent enough to do that.
They are not intelligent enough to do anything about it.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Pity about Global Warming, etc., etc., etc., etc. Other organisms weren’t intelligent enough to do that.
It’s up to dolphins to save the planet now.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Pity about Global Warming, etc., etc., etc., etc. Other organisms weren’t intelligent enough to do that.
They are not intelligent enough to do anything about it.
Thank god for that, just imagine the mess if they could.
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Pity about Global Warming, etc., etc., etc., etc. Other organisms weren’t intelligent enough to do that.
It’s up to dolphins to save the planet now.
they have no opposable thumbs
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Our little one’s DNA includes what?
“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Pity about Global Warming, etc., etc., etc., etc. Other organisms weren’t intelligent enough to do that.
Right now the Musk administration is the major threat to emissions reduction.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:“enhancements from other organisms for superior intelligence & health”
Not sure what other organisms have superior intelligence to humans, but there you go.
Pity about Global Warming, etc., etc., etc., etc. Other organisms weren’t intelligent enough to do that.
Right now the Musk administration is the major threat to emissions reduction.
So, you agree with me about the degree of humanities intelligence.
Trump and Musk Take On Academia
Sabine Hossenfelder
Donald Trump and Elon Musk are in full control of the U.S. government, and they’re using that power to attack “woke” DEI programs and slash federal funding for academic research. Let’s take a look at how those cuts have played out and how they could affect scientific research going forward.
This just breaks me.
From Jay Kuo’s Facebook page.
kii said:
This just breaks me.
From Jay Kuo’s Facebook page.
FMD
That’s terrible.
:
:(
:(
This is a frame from The Dark Knight Rises
dv said:
This is a frame from The Dark Knight Rises
I suppose he is the hero Gotham deserves
Divine Angel said:
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
And we all remember how that episode ended.
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
Unfortunately, the end result is unlikely to be anything like what it was in ‘The Simpsons’.
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
Unfortunately, the end result is unlikely to be anything like what it was in ‘The Simpsons’.
Yeah hopefully Elon’s not just wounded.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
Unfortunately, the end result is unlikely to be anything like what it was in ‘The Simpsons’.
Yeah hopefully Elon’s not just wounded.
We’re not monsters. We wish a quick death for him.
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
Divine Angel said:
Unfortunately, the end result is unlikely to be anything like what it was in ‘The Simpsons’.
I’ve never watched the Simpsons.
Has anyone here seen the episode of The Simpsons which guest starred Musk?
Today I saw a Tesla demo model in Westfield. This surprised me because Westfield is owned by a Jewish family, who have recently increased security (again) due to anti-Semitic attacks in Sydney.
They previously increased security in Westfield centres after the whole Hamas drama escalated.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
furious said:
Unfortunately, the end result is unlikely to be anything like what it was in ‘The Simpsons’.
I’ve never watched the Simpsons.
Rare but I respect your choices
Let’s hope we get white smoke from the Popes doctors.
Thoughts and prayers.
Peak Warming Man said:
Let’s hope we get white smoke from the Popes doctors.
Thoughts and prayers.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Let’s hope we get white smoke from the Popes doctors.
Thoughts and prayers.
Be a good job for the Donald.
Yeah, he’s already infallible, according to some.
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Let’s hope we get white smoke from the Popes doctors.
Thoughts and prayers.
Be a good job for the Donald.Yeah, he’s already infallible, according to some.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:Be a good job for the Donald.
Yeah, he’s already infallible, according to some.
Mainly himself.
He knows more about it than anyone.
Yeah but if Trump dies in office they’re stuck with a guy who fucks couches.
i hate elon.
Divine Angel said:
Yeah but if Trump dies in office they’re stuck with a guy who fucks couches.
If he just sticks to couches, no problem.
Trump is doing it to everything.
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
Yeah but if Trump dies in office they’re stuck with a guy who fucks couches.
If he just sticks to couches, no problem.
Trump is doing it to everything.
Normal people don’t speak about their daughters that way.
dv said:
This is a frame from The Dark Knight Rises
To be fair, Musk seems to be questioning it.
To make an omelet you have to fuck some eggs.
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
Yeah but if Trump dies in office they’re stuck with a guy who fucks couches.
If he just sticks to couches, no problem.
Trump is doing it to everything.
Normal people don’t speak about their daughters that way.
so it was couched in a manner of speaking so to speak
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Let’s hope we get white smoke from the Popes doctors.
Thoughts and prayers.
Be a good job for the Donald.
To jump on the fire and become the white smoke?
Peak Warming Man said:
To make an omelet you have to fuck some eggs.
I don’t. I crack the shell.
On a tv show in the future in the USA they replaced Congress with a Corporate Congress of corporate members
One of the punishments in the future was a neural chip implant that zombified you to perform mundane tasks requiring a human
The crime was usually debt to said corporations.
Old musk must have seen the show and wants it to be real
Cymek said:
On a tv show in the future in the USA they replaced Congress with a Corporate Congress of corporate membersOne of the punishments in the future was a neural chip implant that zombified you to perform mundane tasks requiring a human
The crime was usually debt to said corporations.
Old musk must have seen the show and wants it to be real
He does have a brain-chip-implantation company (Neuralink).
dv said:
This is a frame from The Dark Knight Rises
Are you sure?
Fact check: Photograph of masked people with axes was AI-generated
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-birmingham-west-midlands-police-google-b2700108.html
Claims have spread online about alleged events at a Birmingham hospital on Sunday February 16.
One claim included a photograph which appeared to show armed people alongside the caption: “Images reportedly show masked men with axes in a hospital in central Birmingham yesterday.”
“The images and accompanying information being shared on social media – depicting violence, weapons and allegations of an ambulance being raided – are false.”
Using a reverse image search, the PA news agency was able to find a version of the image of people with axes which shows a little more context. Running that version through Google Lens showed that Google’s own software identified this photograph as being “made with Google AI”.
There are also several parts of the photograph that look odd. A higher-resolution version shows people gripping axes in a strange fashion, including one with their wrist at an unnatural angle and another who appears to have six fingers. Meanwhile, the green exit sign in the background looks distorted.
kii said:
+1
Doris Troy, never heard of her? Well she had a one hit wonder with Just One Look.
Later made famous by Linda Ronstadt (phoaw)
Over.
Peak Warming Man said:
Doris Troy, never heard of her? Well she had a one hit wonder with Just One Look.
Later made famous by Linda Ronstadt (phoaw)
Over.
Oops
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
+1
Good.
kii said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Meanwhile…
kii said:
Meanwhile…
is that like a shitty submarine to rescue some Thai school boys and save them from a pedo guy
kii said:
Meanwhile…
Does not surprise me one bit. Reminds me of the Thai Incident.
Michael V said:
kii said:
Meanwhile…
Does not surprise me one bit. Reminds me of the Thai Incident.
It’s this kind of dross that reminds me of jenny’s description of him:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Meanwhile…
is that like a shitty submarine to rescue some Thai school boys and save them from a pedo guy
Does not surprise me one bit. Reminds me of the Thai Incident.
seems Michael V and we are in tune today
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Does not surprise me one bit. Reminds me of the Thai Incident.
seems Michael V and we are in tune today
Ha!
Elon Musk eyes an escape from the trap that has cost him billions
Stephen Bartholomeusz
Senior business columnist
February 20, 2025 — 11.59am
Elon Musk may be on the verge of a Houdini-like escape from the financial morass that was his $US44 billion ($69 billion) acquisition of Twitter.
According to Bloomberg, Musk is seeking to raise new equity for the social media platform now known as X, at a valuation of … $US44 billion.
At face value, that would appear delusional.
Since Musk acquired Twitter in October 2022, its revenues have plummeted as mainstream advertisers fled a platform that Musk – a self-proclaimed free speech absolutist – quickly reopened to previously banned users, allowing racist, homophobic, transphobic posts and hate speech and disinformation to flood in.
Only last month, according to The Wall Street Journal, Musk, in an email to X employees while highlighting the platform’s growing influence and power, said the company’s finances remained problematic.
“Our user growth is stagnant, revenue is unimpressive, and we’re barely breaking even,” he is reported to have written.
When Musk and a small consortium of equity investors who contributed about $US7 billion to the deal acquired Twitter, it had revenue of about $US4.5 billion and earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation (EBITDA) of about $US682 million.
Last year, revenue was only about $US2.7 billion, but after Musk cut Twitter’s headcount by 80 per cent, EBITDA was about $US1.25 billion.
While that might appear to be a big earnings improvement, it needed to be.
The interest bill on the $US12.5 billion of debt Musk took on to buy the site would absorb almost all, if not all, of the cash the platform is generating. Indeed, there have been reports that Musk has been transferring cash from his other businesses to keep X afloat.
One of X’s investors, Fidelity, one of the world’s largest funds managers, has written down the value of its investment in X from $US19.66 million in 2022 to only $US4.2 million, a writedown of nearly 79 per cent. A writedown of that magnitude of X’s total valuation would see it worth only $US9.24 billion.
So, how could Musk possibly believe that he could raise equity at a $US44 billion valuation?
It’s partly because it appears that X’s revenue decline might have bottomed out, with advertisers starting to return.
Musk has also gifted X a 10 per cent stake in his xAI start-up, whose last funding round valued it at $US40 billion and which is now seeking to raise more funds at a valuation of $US75 billion. Musk has said X may end up with 25 per cent of xAI.
He’s also just struck a deal with Visa that will allow X users to effect peer-to-peer payments and transfer funds from their bank accounts, which gives X the start of a financial dimension to Musk’s ambition of transforming X into an “everything” app.
The biggest change in X’s fortunes, however, has been the change in Musk’s own status.
His $US250 million-plus financial support for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, his subsequent proximity to Trump, and the power Trump has bestowed on him as head of the “Department of Government Efficiency”, or DOGE, have had a golden halo effect on his businesses.
Tesla shares, for instance, have rocketed from about $US250 on election day last year to more than $US360, adding more than $US350 billion to its market value. Bloomberg has estimated that once SpaceX and xAI are included, almost $US1 trillion has been added to the value of his companies since the election, and Musk’s own net worth has risen more than 50 per cent.
Beyond Elon Musk’s chaos is a plan being executed with terrifying precision
It hasn’t gone unnoticed – including by investors in his companies – that Musk’s role in the Trump administration gives him power over the agencies that regulate those companies.
Before the election, the US Securities and Exchange Commission was suing Musk over statements made during his acquisition of Twitter. The SEC is now under new, Trump-appointed leadership and Musk’s scrutiny.
Trump wants to axe everything climate-related that the Biden administration did, including ending a national rollout of electric vehicle charging stations and removing the tax incentives for EV purchases. The former could benefit Tesla, which has its own EV-charging units, while the latter would hurt its competitors more than Tesla.
X’s finance ambitions and its arrangements with Visa would have been regulated by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Musk’s team of DOGE adolescents, however, has targeted the CFPB, which the administration wants to abolish.
Musk last week posted, “CFPB RIP”, with an emoji of a gravestone.
With Musk’s team slashing and burning their way through the US bureaucracy, and the administration taking, or trying to take, direct control over every aspect of the agencies that survive, bankers, anticipating deregulation, are in risk-on mode.
That might explain why the banks that lent Musk money to acquire Twitter have finally been able to offload most of their loans.
The Twitter deal was funded by $US33.5 billion of equity (most of it Musk’s), $US6.5 billion of leveraged loans from the banks, $US3 billion of secured bonds and $US3 billion of unsecured bonds.
The bank funding was provided by a group led by Morgan Stanley that included Bank of America, Barclays, BNP Paribas, Mizuho and Societe Generale. Reflecting the perceived degree of risk, the loan carried a floating interest rate several percentage points above the rates charged at the time for investment-grade credit. It was expensive debt.
The banks tried, early on, to sell down their exposures to the Twitter debt, but the discounts being demanded by investors and the losses that would entail for the lenders were too significant for them to contemplate. They were stuck with the debt.
Then, last week, the banks sold somewhere between $US4.7 billion and $US5.5 billion of their loans to debt investors.
Where they initially expected to take a “haircut” of 5 to 10 per cent on the $US3 billion of debt they thought they might sell, the investor demand was such that they were able to shift a lot more, and at 97¢ in the dollar.
While that means they lost as much as $US165 million on the loans they sold, given they would have written down the carrying value of the loans, they would probably be able to write back significantly more than that.
For the new investors, an interest of 11 per cent on the loans would be boosted by nearly half a percentage point by the 3 per cent discount to the loans’ face value that they paid.
While that doesn’t impact X’s interest costs – it will still be paying more than $US1 billion plus a year in interest on its debt – the ability of the banks to sell most of their debt at such a modest discount to its face value does signal confidence by debt investors in X’s future.
Musk is presumably hoping that, in a fairly buoyant market for equity, that confidence will be shared by the new equity investors he is hoping to attract so that he can actually reduce X’s debt loan and free up some funds to further realise his vision of an “everything” app.
The banks’ success in selling down their debt and his newly gained power within the government would encourage him to believe that he may be able to recover at least some of the massive chunk of value that, until last year’s election, he appeared to have lost.
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/elon-musk-is-set-to-escape-his-twitter-trap-he-can-thank-donald-trump-20250220-p5ldna.html
Certainly a weird situation. Ford has a price to earnings of about 6. GM has a price to earnings of 7.5
Tesla has a price to earnings of 173.
dv said:
Certainly a weird situation. Ford has a price to earnings of about 6. GM has a price to earnings of 7.5Tesla has a price to earnings of 173.
People prostrate in prayer before the God of Elon.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Certainly a weird situation. Ford has a price to earnings of about 6. GM has a price to earnings of 7.5Tesla has a price to earnings of 173.
People prostrate in prayer before the God of Elon.
It’s mainly a valuation based on self-driving. It doesn’t reflect sales or the prospects of Tesla’s auto manufacturing.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Certainly a weird situation. Ford has a price to earnings of about 6. GM has a price to earnings of 7.5Tesla has a price to earnings of 173.
People prostrate in prayer before the God of Elon.
It’s mainly a valuation based on self-driving. It doesn’t reflect sales or the prospects of Tesla’s auto manufacturing.
Elucidate please
Michael V said:
dv said:
Certainly a weird situation. Ford has a price to earnings of about 6. GM has a price to earnings of 7.5
Tesla has a price to earnings of 173.
People prostrate in prayer before the God of Elon.
yeah like cryptocurrency and NFT shit, what’s its price to earning ratio
dv said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Michael V said:People prostrate in prayer before the God of Elon.
It’s mainly a valuation based on self-driving. It doesn’t reflect sales or the prospects of Tesla’s auto manufacturing.
Elucidate please
Divine Angel said:
Well, he hasa lot on his plate.
He’s got a key role in making the lives of hundreds of millions of people worse, so you can’t expect him to drop everything for the sake of one kid.
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
Well, he hasa lot on his plate.
He’s got a key role in making the lives of hundreds of millions of people worse, so you can’t expect him to drop everything for the sake of one kid.
Well, not the kid he’s using as a human shield. W
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
Well, he has a lot on his plate.
He’s got a key role in making the lives of hundreds of millions of people worse, so you can’t expect him to drop everything for the sake of one kid.
Ha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyTDbqNtZBo&t=31s
I think he espouses his position with the utmost clarity.
dv said:
US Open for what sport?
The Gold and Tennis are held in the NH summer.
party_pants said:
dv said:
US Open for what sport?
The
Goldand Tennis are held in the NH summer.
Golf
If both Musk and Trump aren’t assassinated before the end of this year, I’ll blame party_pants for promising such things.
TIL Musk has Canadian citizenship.
Divine Angel said:
TIL Musk has Canadian citizenship.
Foe the time being.
Divine Angel said:
TIL Musk has Canadian citizenship.
me too.
If he is enrolled to vote in Canada then technically he is entitled to free speech and public comment on Canadian politics.
Divine Angel said:
TIL Musk has Canadian citizenship.
His ma is from Saskachewachewan
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
TIL Musk has Canadian citizenship.
His ma is from Saskachewachewan
sounds foreign.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
TIL Musk has Canadian citizenship.
His ma is from Saskachewachewan
sounds foreign.
I’m thinking she’s related to Sasquatch. Primitive brain power but less hairy.
I dunno which thread this fits best so I’m putting it in a hate thread.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/elon-musk-ridiculed-a-blind-person-on-x-then-a-mob-went-to-work/EDRW6GJGQZHFBCWC6DSC5HE4PY/
AussieDJ said:
Get Those Lithiums To Warsaw Now
Some Cybertruck Owners Say Their Trucks Are Shedding Body Panels; One Thinks He Knows Why
A Tesla owner who wraps the vehicles for a living has come up with a hypothesis as to why his truck lost a piece of its bodywork at speed.
Every example of the Tesla Cybertruck on the road comes with two boomerang-shaped pieces of metal attached along its roofline, completing a unique sharp point at the top of the car’s windshield. In at least two cases reported to the federal government, drivers have stated this part or a similar one has flown off the car at speed — and one Cybertruck owner even says he has video of it jettisoning a boomerang-shaped piece of metal into the the road at highway speeds.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a63857202/tesla-cybertruck-losing-body-panels-reports/
Spiny Norman said:
Some Cybertruck Owners Say Their Trucks Are Shedding Body Panels; One Thinks He Knows WhyA Tesla owner who wraps the vehicles for a living has come up with a hypothesis as to why his truck lost a piece of its bodywork at speed.
Every example of the Tesla Cybertruck on the road comes with two boomerang-shaped pieces of metal attached along its roofline, completing a unique sharp point at the top of the car’s windshield. In at least two cases reported to the federal government, drivers have stated this part or a similar one has flown off the car at speed — and one Cybertruck owner even says he has video of it jettisoning a boomerang-shaped piece of metal into the the road at highway speeds.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a63857202/tesla-cybertruck-losing-body-panels-reports/
You get charged with not properly securing your loas if bits fall off. If they kill someone you are in bigger trouble.
dv said:
What the actual fuck?
What on earth is this about?
Michael V said:
dv said:
What the actual fuck?
What on earth is this about?
His marbles, they are missing.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
What the actual fuck?
What on earth is this about?
His marbles, they are missing.
Probably not.
IDDGI, though.
ChrispenEvan said:
That’s sad.
From Quora:
“Mr. Musk,
You recently criticized me and another prominent lawyer fighting for the rule of law and democracy in the United States. I am used to being attacked for my work, particularly on the platform you own and dominate.
I used to be a regular on Twitter, where I amassed over 900,000 followers — all organic except for the right-wing bots who seemed to grow in number. Like many others, I stopped regularly posting on the site because, under your stewardship, it became a hellscape of hate and misinformation.
I also used to buy your cars — first a Model X and then a Model S — back when you spoke optimistically about solving the climate crisis. My family no longer owns any of your cars and never will.
But this is not the reason I am writing. You don’t know me. You have no idea whether I have suffered trauma and if I have, how it has manifested. And it’s none of your business.
However, I will address your last point about generational trauma. I am Jewish, though many on your site simply call me “a jew.” Honestly, it’s often worse than that, but I’m sure you get the point. There was a time when Twitter would remove antisemitic posts, but under your leadership, tolerating the world’s oldest hatred now seems to be a permissible part of your “free speech” agenda.
Like many Jewish families, mine came to America because of trauma. They were fleeing persecution in the Pale of Settlement — the only area in the Russian Empire where Jews were legally allowed to reside. Even there, life was difficult — often traumatic. My family, like others, lived in a shtetl and was poor. Worse, pogroms were common — violent riots in which Jews were beaten, killed and expelled from their villages.
By the time my family fled, life in the Pale had become all but impossible for Jews. Tsar Nicholas II’s government spread anti-Jewish propaganda that encouraged Russians to attack and steal from Jews in their communities. My great-grandfather was fortunate to leave when he did. Those who stayed faced even worse circumstances when Hitler’s army later invaded.
That is the generational trauma I carry. The trauma of being treated as “other” by countrymen you once thought were your friends. The trauma of being scapegoated by authoritarian leaders. The trauma of fleeing while millions of others were systematically murdered. The trauma of watching powerful men treat it all as a joke — or worse.
As an immigrant yourself, you can no doubt sympathize with what it means to leave behind your country, extended family, friends and neighbors to come to the United States. Of course, you probably had more than 86 rubles in your pocket. You probably didn’t ride for nine days in the bottom of a ship or have your surname changed by immigration officials. Here is the ship manifest showing that my family did. Aron, age three, was my grandfather.
As new immigrants, life wasn’t easy. My family lived in cramped housing without hot water. They worked menial jobs — the kind immigrants still perform today.
Some may look down on those immigrants — the ones without fancy degrees — but my family was proud to work and grateful that the United States took them in. They found support within their Jewish community and a political home in the Democratic Party.
I became a lawyer to give back to the country that gave my family a chance. I specialize in representing Democratic campaigns because I believe in the party. I litigate voting rights cases because the right to vote is the bedrock of our democracy. I speak out about free and fair elections because they are under threat.
Now let me address the real crux of your post.
You are very rich and very powerful. You have thrown in with Donald Trump. Whether it is because you think you can control him or because you share his authoritarian vision, I do not know. I do not care.
Together, you and he are dismantling our government, undermining the rule of law and harming the most vulnerable in our society. I am just a lawyer. I do not have your wealth or your platform. I do not control the vast power of the federal government, nor do I have millions of adherents at my disposal to harass and intimidate my opponents. I may even carry generational trauma.
But you need to know this about me. I am the great-grandson of a man who led his family out of the shtetl to a strange land in search of a better life. I am the grandson of the three-year-old boy on that journey. As you know, my English name is Marc, but my Hebrew name is Elhanan (אֶלְחָנָן) — after the great warrior in David’s army who slew a powerful giant.
I will use every tool at my disposal to protect this country from Trump. I will litigate to defend voting rights until there are no cases left to bring. I will speak out against authoritarianism until my last breath.
I will not back down. I will not bow or scrape. I will never obey.
Defiantly,
Marc Elias”
The Rev Dodgson said:
From Quora:“Mr. Musk,
You recently criticized me and another prominent lawyer fighting for the rule of law and democracy in the United States. I am used to being attacked for my work, particularly on the platform you own and dominate.
I used to be a regular on Twitter, where I amassed over 900,000 followers — all organic except for the right-wing bots who seemed to grow in number. Like many others, I stopped regularly posting on the site because, under your stewardship, it became a hellscape of hate and misinformation.
I also used to buy your cars — first a Model X and then a Model S — back when you spoke optimistically about solving the climate crisis. My family no longer owns any of your cars and never will.
But this is not the reason I am writing. You don’t know me. You have no idea whether I have suffered trauma and if I have, how it has manifested. And it’s none of your business.
However, I will address your last point about generational trauma. I am Jewish, though many on your site simply call me “a jew.” Honestly, it’s often worse than that, but I’m sure you get the point. There was a time when Twitter would remove antisemitic posts, but under your leadership, tolerating the world’s oldest hatred now seems to be a permissible part of your “free speech” agenda.
Like many Jewish families, mine came to America because of trauma. They were fleeing persecution in the Pale of Settlement — the only area in the Russian Empire where Jews were legally allowed to reside. Even there, life was difficult — often traumatic. My family, like others, lived in a shtetl and was poor. Worse, pogroms were common — violent riots in which Jews were beaten, killed and expelled from their villages.
By the time my family fled, life in the Pale had become all but impossible for Jews. Tsar Nicholas II’s government spread anti-Jewish propaganda that encouraged Russians to attack and steal from Jews in their communities. My great-grandfather was fortunate to leave when he did. Those who stayed faced even worse circumstances when Hitler’s army later invaded.
That is the generational trauma I carry. The trauma of being treated as “other” by countrymen you once thought were your friends. The trauma of being scapegoated by authoritarian leaders. The trauma of fleeing while millions of others were systematically murdered. The trauma of watching powerful men treat it all as a joke — or worse.
As an immigrant yourself, you can no doubt sympathize with what it means to leave behind your country, extended family, friends and neighbors to come to the United States. Of course, you probably had more than 86 rubles in your pocket. You probably didn’t ride for nine days in the bottom of a ship or have your surname changed by immigration officials. Here is the ship manifest showing that my family did. Aron, age three, was my grandfather.
As new immigrants, life wasn’t easy. My family lived in cramped housing without hot water. They worked menial jobs — the kind immigrants still perform today.
Some may look down on those immigrants — the ones without fancy degrees — but my family was proud to work and grateful that the United States took them in. They found support within their Jewish community and a political home in the Democratic Party.
I became a lawyer to give back to the country that gave my family a chance. I specialize in representing Democratic campaigns because I believe in the party. I litigate voting rights cases because the right to vote is the bedrock of our democracy. I speak out about free and fair elections because they are under threat.
Now let me address the real crux of your post.
You are very rich and very powerful. You have thrown in with Donald Trump. Whether it is because you think you can control him or because you share his authoritarian vision, I do not know. I do not care.
Together, you and he are dismantling our government, undermining the rule of law and harming the most vulnerable in our society. I am just a lawyer. I do not have your wealth or your platform. I do not control the vast power of the federal government, nor do I have millions of adherents at my disposal to harass and intimidate my opponents. I may even carry generational trauma.
But you need to know this about me. I am the great-grandson of a man who led his family out of the shtetl to a strange land in search of a better life. I am the grandson of the three-year-old boy on that journey. As you know, my English name is Marc, but my Hebrew name is Elhanan (אֶלְחָנָן) — after the great warrior in David’s army who slew a powerful giant.
I will use every tool at my disposal to protect this country from Trump. I will litigate to defend voting rights until there are no cases left to bring. I will speak out against authoritarianism until my last breath.
I will not back down. I will not bow or scrape. I will never obey.
Defiantly,
Marc Elias”
Good on him.
Elon Musk welcomes fourth child with Shivon Zilis, son named Seldon Lycurgus.
Dunno why he insists on naming his children after bodily noises.
Apparently he blocked Grimes for saying he had a botched penis implant, and blocked some other mother of child/ren for saying he insists on IVF to ensure only boys are born.
Divine Angel said:
Elon Musk welcomes fourth child with Shivon Zilis, son named Seldon Lycurgus.Dunno why he insists on naming his children after bodily noises.
Apparently he blocked Grimes for saying he had a botched penis implant, and blocked some other mother of child/ren for saying he insists on IVF to ensure only boys are born.
!!!
Some good news out of all if this at least.
If the vastly over-valued Tesla folds, that may wipe-out Musk.
dv said:
I don’t agree with Leon.
I believe that empathy is a fundamental strength.
Michael V said:
dv said:
I don’t agree with Leon.
I believe that empathy is a fundamental strength.
of humanity
yes
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
I don’t agree with Leon.
I believe that empathy is a fundamental strength.
of humanity
yes
but yeah we suppose “our soul whose defence for making national socialist salute is that the autism caused it runs an argument that empathy is weakness” makes a whole heap of sense at the end of the day
DOdGE the debris.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-07/spacex-rocket-starship-explosion-musk/105022842
Michael V said:
DOdGE the debris.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-07/spacex-rocket-starship-explosion-musk/105022842
….. experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly ……
hehehehe. It went KABOOM!!!
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
DOdGE the debris.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-07/spacex-rocket-starship-explosion-musk/105022842
….. experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly ……
hehehehe. It went KABOOM!!!
Good thing no-one’s auditing Space-X for waste of funds.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
DOdGE the debris.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-07/spacex-rocket-starship-explosion-musk/105022842
….. experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly ……
hehehehe. It went KABOOM!!!
Good thing no-one’s auditing Space-X for waste of funds.
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
DOdGE the debris.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-07/spacex-rocket-starship-explosion-musk/105022842
….. experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly ……
hehehehe. It went KABOOM!!!
Not a very intellectually demanding euphemism that one..
buffy said:
Woodie said:
Michael V said:
DOdGE the debris.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-07/spacex-rocket-starship-explosion-musk/105022842
….. experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly ……
hehehehe. It went KABOOM!!!
Not a very intellectually demanding euphemism that one..
Could adapt it to an acronym: Rapidly and Unscheduledly Disassembled Everywhere.
e.g. ‘That rocket was RUDE’.
I just read a comment that said the US govt underwrites these failures. so, no loss to Elon.
sarahs mum said:
I just read a comment that said the US govt underwrites these failures. so, no loss to Elon.
damn
guess it’s true what they say about how once you’re rich enough you only fail upwards
dv said:
dv said:
FMD
Michael V said:
dv said:
FMD
It’s actually banned because he’s a huge twat.
dv said:
FMD
ABC News:
‘Big rat deserts sinking ship early’:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Big rat deserts sinking ship early’:
So when she has got rid of all her stock, will she sack Musk, or will he sack her first?
A guerrilla advertising campaign by a group calling itself Everyone Hates Elon is going viral around the world as sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla EVs plummet.
What started with a poster plastered on a bus stop in east London describing Tesla as “The Swasticar” has expanded to a series of parody advertising posters garnering millions of views on social media.
The initial poster featured an image of Musk delivering his US presidential Inauguration Day ‘Nazi’ salute while riding in a Tesla accompanied by the slogan: “Goes from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds.”
Since then, ‘swasticar’ stickers have been placed on Teslas and posters have been placed on public transport proclaiming that “Hate doesn’t sell. Just ask Tesla”.
The group has also targeted Musk’s social media platform X with posters urging users to “Delete your account. If the bar lets Nazis in, it’s a Nazi bar”.
The campaign comes as year-on-year combined sales of Tesla Model Y and Model 3 EVs plummeted 71.9 per cent in February, compared to the same month a year earlier.
According to the Electric Vehicle Council, Tesla sold just 1592 vehicles in Australia in February, down from 5665 the same time last year.
The downward trend is global, as Europe experienced a 45 per cent drop in sales for January, with 9945 vehicles sold compared to 18,161 last year.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
fsm said:
A guerrilla advertising campaign by a group calling itself Everyone Hates Elon is going viral around the world as sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla EVs plummet.What started with a poster plastered on a bus stop in east London describing Tesla as “The Swasticar” has expanded to a series of parody advertising posters garnering millions of views on social media.
The initial poster featured an image of Musk delivering his US presidential Inauguration Day ‘Nazi’ salute while riding in a Tesla accompanied by the slogan: “Goes from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds.”
Since then, ‘swasticar’ stickers have been placed on Teslas and posters have been placed on public transport proclaiming that “Hate doesn’t sell. Just ask Tesla”.
The group has also targeted Musk’s social media platform X with posters urging users to “Delete your account. If the bar lets Nazis in, it’s a Nazi bar”.
The campaign comes as year-on-year combined sales of Tesla Model Y and Model 3 EVs plummeted 71.9 per cent in February, compared to the same month a year earlier.
According to the Electric Vehicle Council, Tesla sold just 1592 vehicles in Australia in February, down from 5665 the same time last year.
The downward trend is global, as Europe experienced a 45 per cent drop in sales for January, with 9945 vehicles sold compared to 18,161 last year.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
Ye reapeth that which thyself hath soweth.
roughbarked said:
fsm said:
A guerrilla advertising campaign by a group calling itself Everyone Hates Elon is going viral around the world as sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla EVs plummet.What started with a poster plastered on a bus stop in east London describing Tesla as “The Swasticar” has expanded to a series of parody advertising posters garnering millions of views on social media.
The initial poster featured an image of Musk delivering his US presidential Inauguration Day ‘Nazi’ salute while riding in a Tesla accompanied by the slogan: “Goes from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds.”
Since then, ‘swasticar’ stickers have been placed on Teslas and posters have been placed on public transport proclaiming that “Hate doesn’t sell. Just ask Tesla”.
The group has also targeted Musk’s social media platform X with posters urging users to “Delete your account. If the bar lets Nazis in, it’s a Nazi bar”.
The campaign comes as year-on-year combined sales of Tesla Model Y and Model 3 EVs plummeted 71.9 per cent in February, compared to the same month a year earlier.
According to the Electric Vehicle Council, Tesla sold just 1592 vehicles in Australia in February, down from 5665 the same time last year.
The downward trend is global, as Europe experienced a 45 per cent drop in sales for January, with 9945 vehicles sold compared to 18,161 last year.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
Ye reapeth that which thyself hath soweth.
Seems to me he would have been better off to pay tax than to wipe off that much value off his companies and generate this much hate.
Apart from his politics and public posturing, people may also be starting to suspect that his character may, in some way, be reflected in his product.
Someone who’s so obviously and enormously self-centred, with, it seems, absolutely no real regard for anyone else, does not inspire any confidence that he sells a product which is going to give good value for money.
If you can’t trust the man, can you trust his product?
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
fsm said:https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
Ye reapeth that which thyself hath soweth.
Seems to me he would have been better off to pay tax than to wipe off that much value off his companies and generate this much hate.
Which is what most businesses do.
captain_spalding said:
Apart from his politics and public posturing, people may also be starting to suspect that his character may, in some way, be reflected in his product.Someone who’s so obviously and enormously self-centred, with, it seems, absolutely no real regard for anyone else, does not inspire any confidence that he sells a product which is going to give good value for money.
If you can’t trust the man, can you trust his product?
perhaps his racist agenda is more important to him than the money.
captain_spalding said:
Apart from his politics and public posturing, people may also be starting to suspect that his character may, in some way, be reflected in his product.Someone who’s so obviously and enormously self-centred, with, it seems, absolutely no real regard for anyone else, does not inspire any confidence that he sells a product which is going to give good value for money.
If you can’t trust the man, can you trust his product?
But he said it was genuine snake oil?
I’ve got a bottle of canola oil I paid fifty times the price for.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Apart from his politics and public posturing, people may also be starting to suspect that his character may, in some way, be reflected in his product.Someone who’s so obviously and enormously self-centred, with, it seems, absolutely no real regard for anyone else, does not inspire any confidence that he sells a product which is going to give good value for money.
If you can’t trust the man, can you trust his product?
perhaps his racist agenda is more important to him than the money.
Though he’s happily pumped out 14 children of mixed race.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Apart from his politics and public posturing, people may also be starting to suspect that his character may, in some way, be reflected in his product.Someone who’s so obviously and enormously self-centred, with, it seems, absolutely no real regard for anyone else, does not inspire any confidence that he sells a product which is going to give good value for money.
If you can’t trust the man, can you trust his product?
perhaps his racist agenda is more important to him than the money.
Though he’s happily pumped out 14 children of mixed race.
Um…mixed race?
captain_spalding said:
Apart from his politics and public posturing, people may also be starting to suspect that his character may, in some way, be reflected in his product.
Someone who’s so obviously and enormously self-centred, with, it seems, absolutely no real regard for anyone else, does not inspire any confidence that he sells a product which is going to give good value for money.
If you can’t trust the man, can you trust his product?
oh come on you don’t mean to say that if he can hostile take over a blue bird and game its algorithms to turn everyone into national socialists he could also hostile take over other technology manufacturing aerospace whatever industry players and manipulate them to control their users
fsm said:
A guerrilla advertising campaign by a group calling itself Everyone Hates Elon is going viral around the world as sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla EVs plummet.What started with a poster plastered on a bus stop in east London describing Tesla as “The Swasticar” has expanded to a series of parody advertising posters garnering millions of views on social media.
The initial poster featured an image of Musk delivering his US presidential Inauguration Day ‘Nazi’ salute while riding in a Tesla accompanied by the slogan: “Goes from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds.”
Since then, ‘swasticar’ stickers have been placed on Teslas and posters have been placed on public transport proclaiming that “Hate doesn’t sell. Just ask Tesla”.
The group has also targeted Musk’s social media platform X with posters urging users to “Delete your account. If the bar lets Nazis in, it’s a Nazi bar”.
The campaign comes as year-on-year combined sales of Tesla Model Y and Model 3 EVs plummeted 71.9 per cent in February, compared to the same month a year earlier.
According to the Electric Vehicle Council, Tesla sold just 1592 vehicles in Australia in February, down from 5665 the same time last year.
The downward trend is global, as Europe experienced a 45 per cent drop in sales for January, with 9945 vehicles sold compared to 18,161 last year.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
Good.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
fsm said:
A guerrilla advertising campaign by a group calling itself Everyone Hates Elon is going viral around the world as sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla EVs plummet.What started with a poster plastered on a bus stop in east London describing Tesla as “The Swasticar” has expanded to a series of parody advertising posters garnering millions of views on social media.
The initial poster featured an image of Musk delivering his US presidential Inauguration Day ‘Nazi’ salute while riding in a Tesla accompanied by the slogan: “Goes from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds.”
Since then, ‘swasticar’ stickers have been placed on Teslas and posters have been placed on public transport proclaiming that “Hate doesn’t sell. Just ask Tesla”.
The group has also targeted Musk’s social media platform X with posters urging users to “Delete your account. If the bar lets Nazis in, it’s a Nazi bar”.
The campaign comes as year-on-year combined sales of Tesla Model Y and Model 3 EVs plummeted 71.9 per cent in February, compared to the same month a year earlier.
According to the Electric Vehicle Council, Tesla sold just 1592 vehicles in Australia in February, down from 5665 the same time last year.
The downward trend is global, as Europe experienced a 45 per cent drop in sales for January, with 9945 vehicles sold compared to 18,161 last year.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
Ye reapeth that which thyself hath soweth.
Seems to me he would have been better off to pay tax than to wipe off that much value off his companies and generate this much hate.
Probably, but you are not mesmerised by more power etc.
Seems Elon is entirely convinced we’re living in a simulation. I wonder what is the criteria for being entirely fucked over by his NWO:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/21/elon-musk-says-he-is-fighting-the-matrix-but-what-does-that-mean/
Witty Rejoinder said:
Seems Elon is entirely convinced we’re living in a simulation. I wonder what is the criteria for being entirely fucked over by his NWO:https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/21/elon-musk-says-he-is-fighting-the-matrix-but-what-does-that-mean/
“but what does that mean?”
it means he’s delusional…
Arts said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Seems Elon is entirely convinced we’re living in a simulation. I wonder what is the criteria for being entirely fucked over by his NWO:https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/21/elon-musk-says-he-is-fighting-the-matrix-but-what-does-that-mean/
“but what does that mean?”
it means he’s delusional…
seems there is a bit of it going around.
Call me crazy but if I was worth $300B I’d expect to be able to upgrade my avatar so I wasn’t a pudgy middle-aged car salesman.
fsm said:
A guerrilla advertising campaign by a group calling itself Everyone Hates Elon is going viral around the world as sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla EVs plummet.What started with a poster plastered on a bus stop in east London describing Tesla as “The Swasticar” has expanded to a series of parody advertising posters garnering millions of views on social media.
The initial poster featured an image of Musk delivering his US presidential Inauguration Day ‘Nazi’ salute while riding in a Tesla accompanied by the slogan: “Goes from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds.”
Since then, ‘swasticar’ stickers have been placed on Teslas and posters have been placed on public transport proclaiming that “Hate doesn’t sell. Just ask Tesla”.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
UK declares WAR on Elon Musk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNJ2PpbXXuk
AussieDJ said:
fsm said:
A guerrilla advertising campaign by a group calling itself Everyone Hates Elon is going viral around the world as sales of Elon Musk’s Tesla EVs plummet.
What started with a poster plastered on a bus stop in east London describing Tesla as “The Swasticar” has expanded to a series of parody advertising posters garnering millions of views on social media.
The initial poster featured an image of Musk delivering his US presidential Inauguration Day ‘Nazi’ salute while riding in a Tesla accompanied by the slogan: “Goes from 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds.”
Since then, ‘swasticar’ stickers have been placed on Teslas and posters have been placed on public transport proclaiming that “Hate doesn’t sell. Just ask Tesla”.
https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/life/auto/2025/03/06/everyone-hates-elon
UK declares WAR on Elon Musk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNJ2PpbXXuk
treas if there’s one thing we Brits are
known for it’s our subtle approach to
criticism what the hell are you you
great gangly knuckled greasy head you
actually scratch that that’s complete
bollocks you are fake news what we’re
really known for is taking the Mickey
out of people who deserve it and right
now London is taking a sledgehammer to
Elon Musk in the most gloriously British
way possible forget polite letters to
the editor forget strongly worded tweets
London has declared allout gorilla
Warfare on Elon Musk and it’s bloody
brilliant look at this masterpiece just
look at it bus stops across London have
been taken over by a group calling
themselves everyone hates Elon they’ve
created these altered Tesla ads showing
musk doing what looks remarkably Like A
Nazi salute with the car rebranded as
and I can’t believe I’m saying this the
swasta car the tagline goes from 0 to
1939 in 3 seconds oh and just in case
one missed the point the group further
expressed in an interview that Elon Musk
just helped the far right in Germany wi
their best result since World War II
then called them to say congrats musk
beaming into a campaign event this
weekend for Germany’s far right party
known as the afd so don’t buy his cars
yeah I mean that’s about as subtle as a
brick through your window but that’s
what makes it so perfectly British we
don’t do subtle when we’re pissed off
you’re swimming like an old woman I
don’t like being in the water I’m not
comfortable I’m from Birmingham these
installations in Bethel green have gone
absolutely viral with Tik Tok videos of
the gorilla ads surging far more people
have seen the ads than actually use the
London Underground on a good day and
that is a lot of people speaking of the
Underground
this is my favorite look at this beauty
a fake perfume ad for elon’s musk
complete with a bottle featuring a swasa
And the tagline perfume the 1939 it’s
both incredibly offensive and
spectacularly well executed as someone
who has a degree in graphic design and
advertising I say Bravo the attention to
detail is remarkable they’ve nailed the
minimalistic luxury perfume ad aesthetic
but then filled it with well the exact
opposite of luxury I am become
meme yeah pretty much and they didn’t
stop there you’ve got these brilliantly
design charts showing Tesla’s European
sales collapse representing the arter
catastrophe that Tesla is suffering at
the present I went over this in a recent
video but to give you the short of it
following agent Orange’s inauguration
Tesla stocks have seen a
39% loss year to year they’ve lost 30%
making them the second worst performer
in the entire S&P 500 while Europe has
seen a massive 37% increase in electric
vehicle sales Tesla has fell off in
Germany sales are down
70.6% from 2024 in France registrations
plunged
63.4% Tesla is also down in Sweden by
42% Norway and Denmark by 48% Portugal
by 53% and Spain by 75% the people it
seems have spoken and it’s a clear
message go
yourself what I love about this approach
is that it’s quintessentially British
we’re not marching in the streets we’re
not calling for boycotts we’re just
ripping him apart in the most creative
and devastating way possible and
sometimes British people just get
straight to the point like this one no
thrills no cleverness just Elon Musk is
a bellend plastered at a bus stop you
see sometimes you you don’t need clever
metaphors or visual puns sometimes you
just need to State the blinding obvious
now you might be wondering how are
people responding to all of this I could
have been great I could have had dignity
social standing I could have mattered
but you came into my
life thanks even better now can’t you
what about this one that’s
take well the campaign has garnered
millions of views on various platforms
and it’s been so successful that they’ve
created a GoFundMe so that they can go
further in their efforts they are
essentially franchising their trolling
operation and people are here for it in
fact here’s ten quid what on peeps now
I’d go so far as to say that this is one
of the most effective activism
approaches I’ve seen in years what is it
like to be you right now well it’s it’s
good days and bad days back then Bob
Porter admired Tesla owner Elon Musk we
just thought he was an industrialist
right out to make money and supposedly
improve the
now he’s got totally political he’s you
know in a bromance with the president of
the United States that Bromance with
Trump and musk’s disdain for Canada
including this post saying it’s not a
real country have infuriated many BC
Tesla drivers but there is of course
some push back some critics have called
the comparisons extreme while musk
himself says that the everyone is Hitler
attack is so tired but Elon how about
clarifying that you didn’t mean for it
to look like a Nazi
how about explaining why you didn’t just
do it once but did it
twice thank you how about explaining why
other magam morons are now doing it and
we’re not going to retreat we’re not
going to surrender we’re not going to
quit fight fight
fight amen how about not spreading
disgusting anti-semitic hate you know
such as when some Rando claims that
Jewish communities have hatred against
whites and then retweeting it saying
that you have said the actual truth is
that too much to ask am I am I woke now
because I’ve called out someone being a
prick
damn oh well but that’s the thing about
British mockery we don’t particularly
care if the target finds it funny in
fact if they’re annoyed we consider it a
job well done
no no so how has the establishment
responded to all of this well the
transport for London bless them released
a statement condemning the ads as
unauthorized fly tipping which is of
course a delightful term for illegal
dumping of waste and honestly that just
makes this better doesn’t it the fact
that these aren’t approved corporate
sanitized messages is exactly what gives
them their power these are raw
expressions of public sentiment that
have gone viral precisely because they
tap into how millions of people
feel go
yourself I mean when was the last time
that an official ad campaign went Mega
viral exactly so what’s the lesson here
what’s the takeaway when you’re faced
with billionaires who seem Untouchable
who have more money than sense and more
power than they deserve sometimes the
most effective response isn’t outrage or
boycotts or even serious political
discussion sometimes the most effective
response is just to take the absolute
piss out of them in the most creative
way possible and nobody nobody does that
better than the British so here’s to
everyone hates Elon and their glorifying
offensive Guerilla campaign well done
you made the country
proud it’s a clear message to Elon you
can buy Twitter you can buy influence
you can even buy your way into the White
House but you can’t buy immunity from
British mockery you deserve this and
having
it and you’re having more of
it a new car is a great thing but not
when it’s you oh you’ve got a mirror
left think how many lives you’ve ruined
you are the Allegro estate of modern
time and that my friends is just one of
the reasons why I love this country
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Man it’s a good think he neglects his 14 kids or he’d be completely swamped.
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Man it’s a good think he neglects his 14 kids or he’d be completely swamped.
they’re probably better off with his neglect.
can’t they
just send a mini submarine and not be pedo guys
SCIENCE said:
can’t they
just send a mini submarine and not be pedo guys
Just imagine the outcome if they put Elongated in charge.
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Man it’s a good think he neglects his 14 kids or he’d be completely swamped.
Now, now, they’re not all neglected. There’s that one kid who gets cuddled as a human shield.
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
As Tesla’s stock dwindles, Musk’s personal fortune is also shrinking at an alarming rate.
His net worth has dropped from $141.50 billion this year, including a staggering $20 billion loss on Monday alone.
—
That’s gunna really hurt.
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Man it’s a good think he neglects his 14 kids or he’d be completely swamped.
Now, now, they’re not all neglected. There’s that one kid who gets cuddled as a human shield.
Oh, the one who marks the trail with snot?
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Good.
I wish it would stop the arse-known-as-Musk, though.
SCIENCE said:
can’t they
just send a mini submarine and not be pedo guys
:)
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Man it’s a good think he neglects his 14 kids or he’d be completely swamped.
Now, now, they’re not all neglected. There’s that one kid who gets cuddled as a human shield.
Well, there is that, I suppose.
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Move along. Nothing to see here. 15% is a standard fluctuation in share prices.
Tesla shares today? Closed at $222.15 (down 15% in one day)
Tesla shares 11th March 2024 (12 months ago) Closed at $177.00
Not a bad ROI in 12 months. ROI of 25% in 12 months. That’s pretty good.
Yes, they did hit a high of $479 on 17th Dec 2024. A ROI of 170% over a 9 month period. (Mar – Dec 2024). That’s just ridiculously speculative, and was bound for a decent “correction” with that sort of price increase. Tesla shares have fallen gradually to their current level since this ridiculous high.
Now let’s look at our own, “blue chip”, and one of our largest company’s (CSL) share price.
CSL is down 20% from a recent high of $311 in July 2024 ( not record high of $336 in Feb 2020)
Is the media crappin’ on about this huge fall in CSL shares??? Nup.
Now let’s look at Star Casinos. Their share price is down 80% in the last 12 months (worth just 20% of what they were 12 months ago) and down 97% in 10 years. (worth just 3% of what they were 10 years.
Now replicate those Star Casino numbers for Tesla, (worth 20% of what they were 12 months ago, and 3% of what they were worth 10 years ago) and Tesla/Musk naysayers might have something to crow about.
However, as it stands today, Tesla still remains a relatively good investment. (25% ROI in 12 months).
Far better than our own “top notch” CSL.
Pfft, Woodie, you’d make a terrible journalist. No sensationalism at all!
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Move along. Nothing to see here. 15% is a standard fluctuation in share prices.
Tesla shares today? Closed at $222.15 (down 15% in one day)
Tesla shares 11th March 2024 (12 months ago) Closed at $177.00Not a bad ROI in 12 months. ROI of 25% in 12 months. That’s pretty good.
Yes, they did hit a high of $479 on 17th Dec 2024. A ROI of 170% over a 9 month period. (Mar – Dec 2024). That’s just ridiculously speculative, and was bound for a decent “correction” with that sort of price increase. Tesla shares have fallen gradually to their current level since this ridiculous high.
Now let’s look at our own, “blue chip”, and one of our largest company’s (CSL) share price.
CSL is down 20% from a recent high of $311 in July 2024 ( not record high of $336 in Feb 2020)
Is the media crappin’ on about this huge fall in CSL shares??? Nup.
Now let’s look at Star Casinos. Their share price is down 80% in the last 12 months (worth just 20% of what they were 12 months ago) and down 97% in 10 years. (worth just 3% of what they were 10 years.
Now replicate those Star Casino numbers for Tesla, (worth 20% of what they were 12 months ago, and 3% of what they were worth 10 years ago) and Tesla/Musk naysayers might have something to crow about.
However, as it stands today, Tesla still remains a relatively good investment. (25% ROI in 12 months).
Far better than our own “top notch” CSL.
Ok. But that was before Elbow went mad.
Ian said:
Only if they help the opposition.
Ian said:
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Move along. Nothing to see here. 15% is a standard fluctuation in share prices.
Tesla shares today? Closed at $222.15 (down 15% in one day)
Tesla shares 11th March 2024 (12 months ago) Closed at $177.00Not a bad ROI in 12 months. ROI of 25% in 12 months. That’s pretty good.
Yes, they did hit a high of $479 on 17th Dec 2024. A ROI of 170% over a 9 month period. (Mar – Dec 2024). That’s just ridiculously speculative, and was bound for a decent “correction” with that sort of price increase. Tesla shares have fallen gradually to their current level since this ridiculous high.
Now let’s look at our own, “blue chip”, and one of our largest company’s (CSL) share price.
CSL is down 20% from a recent high of $311 in July 2024 ( not record high of $336 in Feb 2020)
Is the media crappin’ on about this huge fall in CSL shares??? Nup.
Now let’s look at Star Casinos. Their share price is down 80% in the last 12 months (worth just 20% of what they were 12 months ago) and down 97% in 10 years. (worth just 3% of what they were 10 years.
Now replicate those Star Casino numbers for Tesla, (worth 20% of what they were 12 months ago, and 3% of what they were worth 10 years ago) and Tesla/Musk naysayers might have something to crow about.
However, as it stands today, Tesla still remains a relatively good investment. (25% ROI in 12 months).
Far better than our own “top notch” CSL.
Ok. But that was before Elbow went mad.
disagree counterpoint that was before most people realised he was fascist
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Move along. Nothing to see here. 15% is a standard fluctuation in share prices.
Tesla shares today? Closed at $222.15 (down 15% in one day)
Tesla shares 11th March 2024 (12 months ago) Closed at $177.00Not a bad ROI in 12 months. ROI of 25% in 12 months. That’s pretty good.
Yes, they did hit a high of $479 on 17th Dec 2024. A ROI of 170% over a 9 month period. (Mar – Dec 2024). That’s just ridiculously speculative, and was bound for a decent “correction” with that sort of price increase. Tesla shares have fallen gradually to their current level since this ridiculous high.
Now let’s look at our own, “blue chip”, and one of our largest company’s (CSL) share price.
CSL is down 20% from a recent high of $311 in July 2024 ( not record high of $336 in Feb 2020)
Is the media crappin’ on about this huge fall in CSL shares??? Nup.
Now let’s look at Star Casinos. Their share price is down 80% in the last 12 months (worth just 20% of what they were 12 months ago) and down 97% in 10 years. (worth just 3% of what they were 10 years.
Now replicate those Star Casino numbers for Tesla, (worth 20% of what they were 12 months ago, and 3% of what they were worth 10 years ago) and Tesla/Musk naysayers might have something to crow about.
However, as it stands today, Tesla still remains a relatively good investment. (25% ROI in 12 months).
Far better than our own “top notch” CSL.
1. 15% is not a “standard fluctuation” for one day.
2. It’s still way over valued, even without allowing for the recent collapse in sales, that may or may not be permanent.
3. Falling from $479 to $222 in less than 3 months is really bad, even if the fall is “steady”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Woodie said:
Divine Angel said:
Musk “close to tears” when asked about juggling businesses and DOGE, as Tesla shares fall to a new low.https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/teslas-1200-billion-loss-as-takedown-gathers-speed/news-story/3ff40f11990aaf181146cc7ef3837271
Move along. Nothing to see here. 15% is a standard fluctuation in share prices.
Tesla shares today? Closed at $222.15 (down 15% in one day)
Tesla shares 11th March 2024 (12 months ago) Closed at $177.00Not a bad ROI in 12 months. ROI of 25% in 12 months. That’s pretty good.
Yes, they did hit a high of $479 on 17th Dec 2024. A ROI of 170% over a 9 month period. (Mar – Dec 2024). That’s just ridiculously speculative, and was bound for a decent “correction” with that sort of price increase. Tesla shares have fallen gradually to their current level since this ridiculous high.
Now let’s look at our own, “blue chip”, and one of our largest company’s (CSL) share price.
CSL is down 20% from a recent high of $311 in July 2024 ( not record high of $336 in Feb 2020)
Is the media crappin’ on about this huge fall in CSL shares??? Nup.
Now let’s look at Star Casinos. Their share price is down 80% in the last 12 months (worth just 20% of what they were 12 months ago) and down 97% in 10 years. (worth just 3% of what they were 10 years.
Now replicate those Star Casino numbers for Tesla, (worth 20% of what they were 12 months ago, and 3% of what they were worth 10 years ago) and Tesla/Musk naysayers might have something to crow about.
However, as it stands today, Tesla still remains a relatively good investment. (25% ROI in 12 months).
Far better than our own “top notch” CSL.
1. 15% is not a “standard fluctuation” for one day.
2. It’s still way over valued, even without allowing for the recent collapse in sales, that may or may not be permanent.
3. Falling from $479 to $222 in less than 3 months is really bad, even if the fall is “steady”.
The Bitcoin graph is looking rather like the Tesla graph. I wonder why.
“Is that why he turned into space Karen? Because he wants to talk to the manager of gender?”
Comment on Facebook – LOLOLOL
kii said:
Tesla Cybertruck sinks.
I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Tesla Cybertruck sinks.
I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
makes sense.
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Tesla Cybertruck sinks.
I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
Were you there to witness it?
“When authorities opened the driver door, a large amount of sea water could be seen draining from the inside. There were no injuries reported during the incident.”
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Tesla Cybertruck sinks.
I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
makes sense.
Does it?
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Tesla Cybertruck sinks.
I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
Were you there to witness it?
“When authorities opened the driver door, a large amount of sea water could be seen draining from the inside. There were no injuries reported during the incident.”
Were you?
The window may have been open, and the door would likely shut as they dragged the car out of the water and up the ramp. With the doors shut they should be pretty water tight, but yeah the quality control on them is abysmal so it is possible it flooded even with the doors closed.
Another minor mystery is why it got dragged into the water in the first place – They’re 4WD and so should have good traction at all times.
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
Were you there to witness it?
“When authorities opened the driver door, a large amount of sea water could be seen draining from the inside. There were no injuries reported during the incident.”
Were you?
The window may have been open, and the door would likely shut as they dragged the car out of the water and up the ramp. With the doors shut they should be pretty water tight, but yeah the quality control on them is abysmal so it is possible it flooded even with the doors closed.
Another minor mystery is why it got dragged into the water in the first place – They’re 4WD and so should have good traction at all times.
No, but I read a few reports about it. Saw photos.
Spiny Norman said:
kii said:
Spiny Norman said:I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
Were you there to witness it?
“When authorities opened the driver door, a large amount of sea water could be seen draining from the inside. There were no injuries reported during the incident.”
Were you?
The window may have been open, and the door would likely shut as they dragged the car out of the water and up the ramp. With the doors shut they should be pretty water tight, but yeah the quality control on them is abysmal so it is possible it flooded even with the doors closed.
Another minor mystery is why it got dragged into the water in the first place – They’re 4WD and so should have good traction at all times.
sounds like the driver got out via a window and the car continued to slide into the water.
kii said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:I dislike the Cybertruck as much as anyone and for several good (and obvious) reasons, but to be fair the reason it sank is more likely that when the driver got out the door was open and water flooded in.
makes sense.
Does it?
Yes. Most vessels remain afloat precisely because they keep the water outside of their outer structure.
This is, in general, considere to be the desired state of things.
Once water is admitted in large quantities into the interior spaces of the vessel, a phenomenon where the average density of the vessel comes to equal or exceed that of the water outside occurs, and the vessel can undergo a process known as ‘sinking’.
In the absence of flotation data for an unbreached Cybertruck, it’s difficult to know just what was or was not the cause of the sinking.
captain_spalding said:
it’s difficult to know just what was or was not the cause of the sinking.
too much water inside is my guess.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
roughbarked said:makes sense.
Does it?
Yes. Most vessels remain afloat precisely because they keep the water outside of their outer structure.
This is, in general, considere to be the desired state of things.
Once water is admitted in large quantities into the interior spaces of the vessel, a phenomenon where the average density of the vessel comes to equal or exceed that of the water outside occurs, and the vessel can undergo a process known as ‘sinking’.
In the absence of flotation data for an unbreached Cybertruck, it’s difficult to know just what was or was not the cause of the sinking.
Derp, I know that. I’m just trying to point out that the door may not have been left open, as per Bill’s comment.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:In the absence of flotation data for an unbreached Cybertruck, it’s difficult to know just what was or was not the cause of the sinking.
Derp, I know that. I’m just trying to point out that the door may not have been left open, as per Bill’s comment.
Well, most cars sink. I don’t know of any which have sufficient buoyancy to remain afloat, even with windows and doors closed, other than some specifically designed to do that, like those old Amphicars.
kii said:
captain_spalding said:
kii said:Does it?
Yes. Most vessels remain afloat precisely because they keep the water outside of their outer structure.
This is, in general, considere to be the desired state of things.
Once water is admitted in large quantities into the interior spaces of the vessel, a phenomenon where the average density of the vessel comes to equal or exceed that of the water outside occurs, and the vessel can undergo a process known as ‘sinking’.
In the absence of flotation data for an unbreached Cybertruck, it’s difficult to know just what was or was not the cause of the sinking.
Derp, I know that. I’m just trying to point out that the door may not have been left open, as per Bill’s comment.
The simplest explanation is often most likely to be correct.
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:In the absence of flotation data for an unbreached Cybertruck, it’s difficult to know just what was or was not the cause of the sinking.
Derp, I know that. I’m just trying to point out that the door may not have been left open, as per Bill’s comment.
Well, most cars sink. I don’t know of any which have sufficient buoyancy to remain afloat, even with windows and doors closed, other than some specifically designed to do that, like those old Amphicars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeBqf6bYZak
diddly-squat said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeBqf6bYZak
That one sank.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeBqf6bYZak
That one sank.
I mean James was back in Moonraker – which, ironically, was about a billionaire industrialist with a space travel business who was hell bent on taking over the world
captain_spalding said:
kii said:
captain_spalding said:In the absence of flotation data for an unbreached Cybertruck, it’s difficult to know just what was or was not the cause of the sinking.
Derp, I know that. I’m just trying to point out that the door may not have been left open, as per Bill’s comment.
Well, most cars sink. I don’t know of any which have sufficient buoyancy to remain afloat, even with windows and doors closed, other than some specifically designed to do that, like those old Amphicars.
So, back to the original point: fElon said it could be used as a boat.
Some very interesting photos on the latest Flight 8.
The before photos of the upper stage from a camera in the engine bay, facing downwards showing most of the rocket nozzles before and after the initial explosion.
The before photo shows most of the nozzles, the after photo shows one of the big vacuum Raptor nozzles, if not the majority of the engine, missing and one of the atmosphere Raptors missing as well.
Shortly after the remaining two atmosphere Raptors shut-down leaving only the two big vacuum Raptors which have no ability vector thrust so the uncontrolled tumble really starts to accelerate from then on.
A Closer Look At The Loss of Starship’s Upper Stage
dv said:
OMG LOL
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
OMG LOL
so what they’re saying is that Tesla will be around for another 90 years but probably superseded by CHINA at that point
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
OMG LOL
so what they’re saying is that Tesla will be around for another 90 years but probably superseded by CHINA at that point
I looked (online) at the Chinese electric cars the other day and I reckon they look pretty good. 480km range is still not enough for outside the capital cities though. There seemed to be a small car, a medium car and a ute.
I wonder if the present goings on have affected the trade-in/second hand value of Tesla cars. I would imagine people have white elephants on their hands. Expensive white elephants.
buffy said:
I wonder if the present goings on have affected the trade-in/second hand value of Tesla cars. I would imagine people have white elephants on their hands. Expensive white elephants.
I would have trepidations about a second-hand Tesla, Elon or no.
Does anyone know how long the battery system is likely to last? It will undoubtedly, sooner or later, require replacement, and it will be a very long way from cheap.
Who wants to fork out tens of thousands for a used Tesla, only to find that you’re up for thousands more for a new power system?
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
I wonder if the present goings on have affected the trade-in/second hand value of Tesla cars. I would imagine people have white elephants on their hands. Expensive white elephants.
I would have trepidations about a second-hand Tesla, Elon or no.
Does anyone know how long the battery system is likely to last? It will undoubtedly, sooner or later, require replacement, and it will be a very long way from cheap.
Who wants to fork out tens of thousands for a used Tesla, only to find that you’re up for thousands more for a new power system?
My main concern about Teslas is the data mining. They’re the worst brand of all cars for data mining.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tesla-autopilot-data-scope
(Note the opening paragraph about Teslas being banned in case they sent info about the Communist Party back to the US)
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
I wonder if the present goings on have affected the trade-in/second hand value of Tesla cars. I would imagine people have white elephants on their hands. Expensive white elephants.
I would have trepidations about a second-hand Tesla, Elon or no.
Does anyone know how long the battery system is likely to last? It will undoubtedly, sooner or later, require replacement, and it will be a very long way from cheap.
Who wants to fork out tens of thousands for a used Tesla, only to find that you’re up for thousands more for a new power system?
My main concern about Teslas is the data mining. They’re the worst brand of all cars for data mining.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tesla-autopilot-data-scope
(Note the opening paragraph about Teslas being banned in case they sent info about the Communist Party back to the US)
The US Government doesn’t need Teslas to do that.
There’s now a direct feed from Kremlin to White House.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
I wonder if the present goings on have affected the trade-in/second hand value of Tesla cars. I would imagine people have white elephants on their hands. Expensive white elephants.
I would have trepidations about a second-hand Tesla, Elon or no.
Does anyone know how long the battery system is likely to last? It will undoubtedly, sooner or later, require replacement, and it will be a very long way from cheap.
Who wants to fork out tens of thousands for a used Tesla, only to find that you’re up for thousands more for a new power system?
The later batteries should be good for 1 – 1.5 million km. It’s not a problem.
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
I wonder if the present goings on have affected the trade-in/second hand value of Tesla cars. I would imagine people have white elephants on their hands. Expensive white elephants.
I would have trepidations about a second-hand Tesla, Elon or no.
Does anyone know how long the battery system is likely to last? It will undoubtedly, sooner or later, require replacement, and it will be a very long way from cheap.
Who wants to fork out tens of thousands for a used Tesla, only to find that you’re up for thousands more for a new power system?
The later batteries should be good for 1 – 1.5 million km. It’s not a problem.
OK, ta. I feel less prejudiced against them now.
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
captain_spalding said:I would have trepidations about a second-hand Tesla, Elon or no.
Does anyone know how long the battery system is likely to last? It will undoubtedly, sooner or later, require replacement, and it will be a very long way from cheap.
Who wants to fork out tens of thousands for a used Tesla, only to find that you’re up for thousands more for a new power system?
My main concern about Teslas is the data mining. They’re the worst brand of all cars for data mining.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tesla-autopilot-data-scope
(Note the opening paragraph about Teslas being banned in case they sent info about the Communist Party back to the US)The US Government doesn’t need Teslas to do that.
There’s now a direct feed from Kremlin to White House.
….. and vice-versa. They’ve proberlee built a secret tunnel by now.
dv said:
Ha!
:)
buffy said:
I wonder if the present goings on have affected the trade-in/second hand value of Tesla cars. I would imagine people have white elephants on their hands. Expensive white elephants.
Likely.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
Divine Angel said:
My main concern about Teslas is the data mining. They’re the worst brand of all cars for data mining.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tesla-autopilot-data-scope
(Note the opening paragraph about Teslas being banned in case they sent info about the Communist Party back to the US)The US Government doesn’t need Teslas to do that.
There’s now a direct feed from Kremlin to White House.
….. and vice-versa. They’ve proberlee built a secret tunnel by now.
government social security bad
fascist surveillance capitalism good
Michael V said:
dv said:
Ha!
:)
The difference being that the bosses of those companies are not standing up in front of the media and doing ‘heil Hitler’ salutes today.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Ha!
:)
The difference being that the bosses of those companies are not standing up in front of the media and doing ‘heil Hitler’ salutes today.
I would have boycotted Mercedes and BMW and Audi etc at the time but I wasn’t around then.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Ha!
:)
The difference being that the bosses of those companies are not standing up in front of the media and doing ‘heil Hitler’ salutes today.
I would have boycotted Mercedes and BMW and Audi etc at the time but I wasn’t around then.
Charles Upham, the New Zealander who was twice awarded the VC in WW2, maintained a strict ban on German vehicles entering his property, for the rest of his life.
No Volkswagens, no BMWs, no Mercedes, no nothing of the sort.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:The difference being that the bosses of those companies are not standing up in front of the media and doing ‘heil Hitler’ salutes today.
I would have boycotted Mercedes and BMW and Audi etc at the time but I wasn’t around then.
Charles Upham, the New Zealander who was twice awarded the VC in WW2, maintained a strict ban on German vehicles entering his property, for the rest of his life.
No Volkswagens, no BMWs, no Mercedes, no nothing of the sort.
In a slightly different vein, the shop owner where I was apprenticed stocjed Swiss watches, even though the Bazis did use Swiss banks to hide money and refused to stoock Japanese watches until the earlier apprentice arrived back in town and informed him that if he didn’t start stcking Japanese watches he’d be out of business in no time. He despised the Japanese from the war but did take the advice and stocked Japanese watches. That step kept him and his gamiily in business for the next 50 years.
Another Cybertruck falling apart.
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.
Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
lot of glue in modern cars. glue, strong stuff.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
If it’s done properly gluing a car together can work just fine. For example the Lotus Elise’s from the 90’s onwards had the entire chassis glued together. The chassis was mainly assembled with a number of otherwise simple aluminium extrusions. They’d stay together even with a big shunt.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
If it’s done properly gluing a car together can work just fine. For example the Lotus Elise’s from the 90’s onwards had the entire chassis glued together. The chassis was mainly assembled with a number of otherwise simple aluminium extrusions. They’d stay together even with a big shunt.
http://sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/information/technical/asauto.html
Spiny Norman said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
If it’s done properly gluing a car together can work just fine. For example the Lotus Elise’s from the 90’s onwards had the entire chassis glued together. The chassis was mainly assembled with a number of otherwise simple aluminium extrusions. They’d stay together even with a big shunt.
http://sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/information/technical/asauto.html
Forgot to add this photo to the last post.
Spiny Norman said:
:)
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
If it’s done properly gluing a car together can work just fine. For example the Lotus Elise’s from the 90’s onwards had the entire chassis glued together. The chassis was mainly assembled with a number of otherwise simple aluminium extrusions. They’d stay together even with a big shunt.
Poor Elon will he make a comeback with a baby speech translator
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
I don’t understand why they did these things … what the point of this vehicle is. Tesla’s competitors have cheaper, better battery powered utes that don’t look so daft. Rivian R1T starts at $70k, looks like a normal vehicle that a human being might drive, doesn’t rust out at the weld points or appear to held together by sillyputty. What niche in the market does the wankpanzer fill exactly?
dv said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
I don’t understand why they did these things … what the point of this vehicle is. Tesla’s competitors have cheaper, better battery powered utes that don’t look so daft. Rivian R1T starts at $70k, looks like a normal vehicle that a human being might drive, doesn’t rust out at the weld points or appear to held together by sillyputty. What niche in the market does the wankpanzer fill exactly?
Test to see how fanboi someone is ?
Would you against all common sense and taste buy this car.
If so I’ll recruit you into my personal army
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
lot of glue in modern cars. glue, strong stuff.
Oh, I know that, but it’s not used alone to hold panels on.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
lot of glue in modern cars. glue, strong stuff.
Oh, I know that, but it’s not used alone to hold panels on.
no point using clips and glue. it is either/or.
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:lot of glue in modern cars. glue, strong stuff.
Oh, I know that, but it’s not used alone to hold panels on.
no point using clips and glue. it is either/or.
Even from the late 1950s it was both on many panels. The glue reduced panel-flex noise.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:Oh, I know that, but it’s not used alone to hold panels on.
no point using clips and glue. it is either/or.
Even from the late 1950s it was both on many panels. The glue reduced panel-flex noise.
probably different glue these days. sikaflex. my neighbour is a panelbeater.
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:no point using clips and glue. it is either/or.
Even from the late 1950s it was both on many panels. The glue reduced panel-flex noise.
probably different glue these days. sikaflex. my neighbour is a panelbeater.
I was trying to remember the name of the glue, thanks. It was sikaflex in the 1970s, and as I understand it, from at least the late 1950s.
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
lot of glue in modern cars. glue, strong stuff.
Oh, I know that, but it’s not used alone to hold panels on.
no point using clips and glue. it is either/or.
can’t they just skin it with LCDs and make it adaptive camouflaged
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.
The irony is that these cyberwrecks are posted on X.
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.The irony is that these cyberwrecks are posted on X.
There’s a whole subreddit dedicated to those pieces of junk. It’s called CyberStuck.
dv said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
I don’t understand why they did these things … what the point of this vehicle is. Tesla’s competitors have cheaper, better battery powered utes that don’t look so daft. Rivian R1T starts at $70k, looks like a normal vehicle that a human being might drive, doesn’t rust out at the weld points or appear to held together by sillyputty. What niche in the market does the wankpanzer fill exactly?
The Ford EV version of the F150 is affordable with good quality performance. Only not being expoprted to Australia for reasons unknown.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Heck!
Just glue holding it together? No clips. Bloody, that’s cheap!
You’d definitely have to be an Elon fanboi to buy one, quite apart from the ugliness.
I don’t understand why they did these things … what the point of this vehicle is. Tesla’s competitors have cheaper, better battery powered utes that don’t look so daft. Rivian R1T starts at $70k, looks like a normal vehicle that a human being might drive, doesn’t rust out at the weld points or appear to held together by sillyputty. What niche in the market does the wankpanzer fill exactly?
The Ford EV version of the F150 is affordable with good quality performance. Only not being expoprted to Australia for reasons unknown.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I don’t understand why they did these things … what the point of this vehicle is. Tesla’s competitors have cheaper, better battery powered utes that don’t look so daft. Rivian R1T starts at $70k, looks like a normal vehicle that a human being might drive, doesn’t rust out at the weld points or appear to held together by sillyputty. What niche in the market does the wankpanzer fill exactly?
The Ford EV version of the F150 is affordable with good quality performance. Only not being expoprted to Australia for reasons unknown.
Possibly LHD only.
That may be.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:I don’t understand why they did these things … what the point of this vehicle is. Tesla’s competitors have cheaper, better battery powered utes that don’t look so daft. Rivian R1T starts at $70k, looks like a normal vehicle that a human being might drive, doesn’t rust out at the weld points or appear to held together by sillyputty. What niche in the market does the wankpanzer fill exactly?
The Ford EV version of the F150 is affordable with good quality performance. Only not being expoprted to Australia for reasons unknown.
Possibly LHD only.
That’d be odd; F150s otherwise are sold here.
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Another Cybertruck falling apart.The irony is that these cyberwrecks are posted on X.
There’s a whole subreddit dedicated to those pieces of junk. It’s called CyberStuck.
It does seem strange to me that so many people are sticking with ex-twitter, I mean there are plenty of alternatives aren’t there?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
roughbarked said:The irony is that these cyberwrecks are posted on X.
There’s a whole subreddit dedicated to those pieces of junk. It’s called CyberStuck.
It does seem strange to me that so many people are sticking with ex-twitter, I mean there are plenty of alternatives aren’t there?
these probably two types that stick with it. those that like the form it has taken and those that like to stir the pot.
ACE EV, a Qld company, are taking preorders for an electric ute called the Yewt. Whether it ever becomes real is hard to predict.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
There’s a whole subreddit dedicated to those pieces of junk. It’s called CyberStuck.
It does seem strange to me that so many people are sticking with ex-twitter, I mean there are plenty of alternatives aren’t there?
these probably two types that stick with it. those that like the form it has taken and those that like to stir the pot.
What Is Network Effect
Xitter remains a major platform and it is understandable that some content creators who have a big base there are reluctant to take the jump.
One of favourite fellows, Tasmanian psephologist Dr Kev Bonham has 17k followers on X. He has about 500 followers on Threads. For him to say that he is shutting down shop at X and people should meet him on Threads would be a leap of faith.
Elon Musk Shares Meme Declaring ‘Hitler Didn’t Murder Millions’ — ‘Public Sector Employees Did’
Tesla billionaire Elon Musk shared a post on his platform X this week that declared Hitler “didn’t murder millions of people,” but that public employees did.
Musk shared the post Thursday from an account named “TheAliceSmith” without comment, but was clearly trying to hype his work at the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, which has fired thousands of federal employees.
The image Musk shared read, “Stalin, Mao, and Hitler didn’t murder millions of people. Their public sector employees did.” The original poster later wrote on X, “After the Nuremberg trials, the so-called ‘superior orders’ defense – ‘I was just following orders’ – is considered invalid under international law. Individual rather than collective responsibility for your actions is enshrined in law.”
Many many many strong swear words.
In short:
Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.
Elon Musk, chief executive of Tesla, has faced a backlash in Germany vocally supporting the far-right Alternative for Germany in the recent general election.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/four-teslas-set-on-fire-in-berlin/105055020
sarahs mum said:
In short:
Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.Elon Musk, chief executive of Tesla, has faced a backlash in Germany vocally supporting the far-right Alternative for Germany in the recent general election.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/four-teslas-set-on-fire-in-berlin/105055020
>>>>>>>> Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.
Not right. Not good. These cars were likely bought by people to try to make a difference to the world, not as a political statement of support for Musk.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
In short:
Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.Elon Musk, chief executive of Tesla, has faced a backlash in Germany vocally supporting the far-right Alternative for Germany in the recent general election.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/four-teslas-set-on-fire-in-berlin/105055020
>>>>>>>> Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.
Not right. Not good. These cars were likely bought by people to try to make a difference to the world, not as a political statement of support for Musk.
yeah but team sports
sarahs mum said:
In short:
Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.Elon Musk, chief executive of Tesla, has faced a backlash in Germany vocally supporting the far-right Alternative for Germany in the recent general election.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/four-teslas-set-on-fire-in-berlin/105055020
Seems a bit redundant: given time all Teslas will catch fire all by themselves.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
In short:
Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.Elon Musk, chief executive of Tesla, has faced a backlash in Germany vocally supporting the far-right Alternative for Germany in the recent general election.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-15/four-teslas-set-on-fire-in-berlin/105055020
>>>>>>>> Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.
Not right. Not good. These cars were likely bought by people to try to make a difference to the world, not as a political statement of support for Musk.
yeah but team sports
No.
Not an excuse.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
>>>>>>>> Four Tesla cars have been set on fire in Berlin arson attacks and police have said that a “political motive” cannot be ruled out.
Not right. Not good. These cars were likely bought by people to try to make a difference to the world, not as a political statement of support for Musk.
yeah but team sports
No.
Not an excuse.
hey if it’s good enough for Jews Versus Muslims it’s good enough for Nazis versus ... wait
⚠ yes we know, we agree, and merely mean to commentate on the state of this world
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
yeah but team sports
No.
Not an excuse.
hey if it’s good enough for Jews Versus Muslims it’s good enough for Nazis versus ... wait
⚠ yes we know, we agree, and merely mean to commentate on the state of this world
Ah.
“…the woke mind parasite and the humans it controls.”
We already know his views on empathy.
“The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. “
Tesla backer says Musk must reduce Trump work, as 46,000 Cybertrucks recalled
Dan Ives warns company is in ‘brand tornado crisis moment’ as it is removed from Vancouver auto show
Tesla and Elon Musk are embroiled in a “brand tornado crisis moment” and the electric carmaker’s chief executive needs to cut back on his work for Donald Trump to stem the damage, one of the company’s biggest supporters has said.
The warning came as Tesla announced a recall of 46,000 Cybertrucks in the US on Thursday to fix an exterior panel that could detach while driving.
It came as protesters announced on Wednesday they were planning what they described as their biggest day of action yet against the EV maker, with 500 demonstrations expected at Tesla showrooms around the world on 29 March.
It also emerged that the Vancouver International Auto Show has removed Tesla from its event hours, citing security concerns.
Tesla shares have lost a third of their value over the past month because of a number of investor concerns including the impact on sales from Musk’s high-profile involvement with the Trump administration, including gutting the public sector through his “department of government efficiency” (Doge).
Dan Ives, the managing director at the US financial firm Wedbush and a self-described Tesla “core bull”, said Musk’s role leading Doge was damaging the multibillionaire’s personal reputation and the business he runs.
“The brand damage started off as limited in our view based on our initial survey work … but now has spread globally over the last few weeks into what we would characterise as a brand tornado crisis moment for Musk and Tesla,” Ives wrote in a note to investors.
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/20/tesla-musk-trump-work-cybertruck-recall-dan-ives-protests
Cried watching a haka earlier, laughed seeing this.
fElon, the gaslighting abuser, playing victim.
LOLOLOL…fuckwit.
sarahs mum said:
Tesla backer says Musk must reduce Trump work, as 46,000 Cybertrucks recalled
Dan Ives warns company is in ‘brand tornado crisis moment’ as it is removed from Vancouver auto showTesla and Elon Musk are embroiled in a “brand tornado crisis moment” and the electric carmaker’s chief executive needs to cut back on his work for Donald Trump to stem the damage, one of the company’s biggest supporters has said.
The warning came as Tesla announced a recall of 46,000 Cybertrucks in the US on Thursday to fix an exterior panel that could detach while driving.
It came as protesters announced on Wednesday they were planning what they described as their biggest day of action yet against the EV maker, with 500 demonstrations expected at Tesla showrooms around the world on 29 March.
It also emerged that the Vancouver International Auto Show has removed Tesla from its event hours, citing security concerns.
Tesla shares have lost a third of their value over the past month because of a number of investor concerns including the impact on sales from Musk’s high-profile involvement with the Trump administration, including gutting the public sector through his “department of government efficiency” (Doge).
Dan Ives, the managing director at the US financial firm Wedbush and a self-described Tesla “core bull”, said Musk’s role leading Doge was damaging the multibillionaire’s personal reputation and the business he runs.
“The brand damage started off as limited in our view based on our initial survey work … but now has spread globally over the last few weeks into what we would characterise as a brand tornado crisis moment for Musk and Tesla,” Ives wrote in a note to investors.
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/20/tesla-musk-trump-work-cybertruck-recall-dan-ives-protests
They should just “let him go”.
sarahs mum said:
Tesla backer says Musk must reduce Trump work, as 46,000 Cybertrucks recalled
Dan Ives warns company is in ‘brand tornado crisis moment’ as it is removed from Vancouver auto show…
“The brand damage started off as limited in our view based on our initial survey work … but now has spread globally over the last few weeks into what we would characterise as a brand tornado crisis moment for Musk and Tesla,” Ives wrote in a note to investors.
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/20/tesla-musk-trump-work-cybertruck-recall-dan-ives-protests
I doubt Elon cares about how Tesla is going. He has a country to run and the power is more important to him.
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Tesla backer says Musk must reduce Trump work, as 46,000 Cybertrucks recalled
Dan Ives warns company is in ‘brand tornado crisis moment’ as it is removed from Vancouver auto show…
“The brand damage started off as limited in our view based on our initial survey work … but now has spread globally over the last few weeks into what we would characterise as a brand tornado crisis moment for Musk and Tesla,” Ives wrote in a note to investors.
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/20/tesla-musk-trump-work-cybertruck-recall-dan-ives-protestsI doubt Elon cares about how Tesla is going. He has a country to run and the power is more important to him.
electrical power
sarahs mum said:
Tesla backer says Musk must reduce Trump work, as 46,000 Cybertrucks recalled
Dan Ives warns company is in ‘brand tornado crisis moment’ as it is removed from Vancouver auto showTesla and Elon Musk are embroiled in a “brand tornado crisis moment” and the electric carmaker’s chief executive needs to cut back on his work for Donald Trump to stem the damage, one of the company’s biggest supporters has said.
The warning came as Tesla announced a recall of 46,000 Cybertrucks in the US on Thursday to fix an exterior panel that could detach while driving.
It came as protesters announced on Wednesday they were planning what they described as their biggest day of action yet against the EV maker, with 500 demonstrations expected at Tesla showrooms around the world on 29 March.
It also emerged that the Vancouver International Auto Show has removed Tesla from its event hours, citing security concerns.
Tesla shares have lost a third of their value over the past month because of a number of investor concerns including the impact on sales from Musk’s high-profile involvement with the Trump administration, including gutting the public sector through his “department of government efficiency” (Doge).
Dan Ives, the managing director at the US financial firm Wedbush and a self-described Tesla “core bull”, said Musk’s role leading Doge was damaging the multibillionaire’s personal reputation and the business he runs.
“The brand damage started off as limited in our view based on our initial survey work … but now has spread globally over the last few weeks into what we would characterise as a brand tornado crisis moment for Musk and Tesla,” Ives wrote in a note to investors.
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/20/tesla-musk-trump-work-cybertruck-recall-dan-ives-protests
giggles
Tesla (TSLA) accounting raises red flags as report shows $1.4 billion missing
electrek.co/2025/03/19/tesla-tsla-accounting-raises-red-flags-as-report-shows-1-4-billion-missing
It’s about Shitler not Musk, but close enough.
Shitler is amazed by the ability to turn a laptop off, then on again.
On what Musk is really up to:
Are Canadians living in denial like the Ukranians were and still thinking that they would never be invaded and conquered?
Perhaps, but maybe you’re overlooking the fact that a single Canadian agent has already destabilized the US to the point that invading Canada is virtually impossible.
Look at the damage that one Canadian has done to the Trump regime. Trump muzzled the CDC, just as a bird flu epidemic was starting up. Whose idea was that?
Then a Canadian agent gutted USAID, preventing food and medicine from reaching the mpox, ebola, and Marburg victims in Africa. When these viruses reach the US, the CDC will not be allowed to tell anyone. The Canadian agent also gutted Medicaid and Medicare, reducing access to healthcare for 160 million US citizens. If you haven’t connected the dots, just one Canadian agent is committing genocide against the US population, and being idiots, the majority of US citizens seem happy about this. Imagine if Canada sent a second agent to “help Trump.”
The idiotic majority also continues to believe in the magical nonsense that Trump is spouting about tariffs increasing US production. How is the US going to increase production of steel in the next 3 weeks? The US imports 38% of the steel it uses, and steel foundries take almost a decade to build.
How is the US going to increase production of aluminum when the US isn’t even self-sufficient in electricity production? Trump wants to build nuclear power plants, but the US imports 95% of the uranium it uses. Add to that, nuclear power plants take years to build, and no one is going to build an aluminum smelter anywhere that doesn’t already have cheap electricity, and the opening of new aluminum smelters in the US is more than a decade away, but the 25% aluminum tariffs start in 3 weeks, except on Canadian aluminum, which starts next week, and goes to 50% in 3 weeks. 30% of all aluminum used in the US is imported from Canada. I might as well mention here that a 25% tariff on Canadian uranium starts next week as well, and Canada is the biggest source for US uranium imports. And coincidentally, a 10% tariff on Canadian electricity starts next week.
Then there’s the US tariff on Canadian lumber, which set to go up to around 40% next week, making rebuilding houses lost to natural disasters in South Carolina, California, and Kentucky significantly more expensive. The US currently imports 25% of the lumber it uses, and 40% of its paper from Canada. I guess Amazon and Ingram are going to move production out of the US for global distribution, as printing books in America is about to become stupidly expensive. As most of Trump’s voters don’t believe in reading books, he’s about to order even higher tariffs on lumber, likely pushing the Canadian lumber tariffs to around 60%. Analysists expect lumber from other countries will like be around 20%. The US can increase lumber and paper production, but it will cost more, and increase deforestation in the US. The lumber industry in Canada also reduces the effects of wildfires, so the skies over the US will probably be smokier for the next few years. (As a bonus, this should help speed up Elon’s genocide.)
Next week, Trump’s tariffs on Canadian oil and gas are also set to start, at 10%. 20% of Canadian oil is light sweet oil, which Asia and Europe want to buy, and which Canada can get to port through domestic pipelines. The other 80% is heavy crude, which the US cannot replace. The other major producers of heavy crude are Russia and (formerly) Venezuela. Neither is an operational alternative right now. Half of Russia’s refinaries have been damaged or destroyed by Ukraine, and Russia is importing petrol. Venezuela’s socialist government has ruined their oil industry, and it will take decades to become operational again. So, the price of products made from heavy oil are just going to go up in the US. Roads will cost more to build or maintain, because asphalt is made from heavy oil. Nautical fuel, industrial greases and waxes, and many other products are about to become more expensive. The US economy currently uses around 7 million more barrels of oil per day than it produces. Fortunately, China produces all these products, so only US companies and consumers will be hurt.
I could go on in detail about the tariffs on food, automobiles, aircraft, and lots of other things, but it sums up as the US consumer facing massive artificial inflation, at the same time as their healthcare become unavailable, and several deadly diseases become epidemics. The US will be lucky to survive the Elon genocide, or his pet president’s random acts of stupidity.
Add to that, Trump and Vance have fired many qualified military commanders for having the wrong skin color or genitals, and the idea of a successful US invasion becomes even less plausible. (Note to US soldiers recently or soon to be fired due to skin color and other irrelevant personal traits: the Canadian military is hiring.)
Spiny Norman said:
It’s about Shitler not Musk, but close enough.Shitler is amazed by the ability to turn a laptop off, then on again.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
It’s about Shitler not Musk, but close enough.Shitler is amazed by the ability to turn a laptop off, then on again.
:)
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
It’s about Shitler not Musk, but close enough.Shitler is amazed by the ability to turn a laptop off, then on again.
:)
I came across this..
If you want to see everything in these without a twitter/x account, you just add “cancel” after the x in the URL.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:
:)
I came across this..
If you want to see everything in these without a twitter/x account, you just add “cancel” after the x in the URL.
I ain’t clicking on any Twitter link.
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:
:)
I came across this..
If you want to see everything in these without a twitter/x account, you just add “cancel” after the x in the URL.
Do you mean insert?
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said:
Ian said:
:)
I came across this..
If you want to see everything in these without a twitter/x account, you just add “cancel” after the x in the URL.
Could you please give an example of what you mean?
Michael V said:
Ian said:
Spiny Norman said::)
I came across this..
If you want to see everything in these without a twitter/x account, you just add “cancel” after the x in the URL.
Could you please give an example of what you mean?
Link: https://xcancel.com/beshearnews/status/1902765938950221913?s=46&t=V7VfS2×8f7Tb8bB5srchIg
Note: Xcancel links mirror Twitter without sending any traffic to it. They don’t work on every device consistently. Issues? Click the settings gear on the upper right of the Xcancel page and choose the box “proxy video streaming through the server.” Then click “save preferences” at the bottom.
kii said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:I came across this..
If you want to see everything in these without a twitter/x account, you just add “cancel” after the x in the URL.
Could you please give an example of what you mean?
Link: https://xcancel.com/beshearnews/status/1902765938950221913?s=46&t=V7VfS2×8f7Tb8bB5srchIg
Note: Xcancel links mirror Twitter without sending any traffic to it. They don’t work on every device consistently. Issues? Click the settings gear on the upper right of the Xcancel page and choose the box “proxy video streaming through the server.” Then click “save preferences” at the bottom.
^
kii said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:I came across this..
If you want to see everything in these without a twitter/x account, you just add “cancel” after the x in the URL.
Could you please give an example of what you mean?
Link: https://xcancel.com/beshearnews/status/1902765938950221913?s=46&t=V7VfS2×8f7Tb8bB5srchIg
Note: Xcancel links mirror Twitter without sending any traffic to it. They don’t work on every device consistently. Issues? Click the settings gear on the upper right of the Xcancel page and choose the box “proxy video streaming through the server.” Then click “save preferences” at the bottom.
Thanks.
:)
That’s fantastic and magical.
:)
Ian said:
kii said:
Michael V said:Could you please give an example of what you mean?
Link: https://xcancel.com/beshearnews/status/1902765938950221913?s=46&t=V7VfS2×8f7Tb8bB5srchIg
Note: Xcancel links mirror Twitter without sending any traffic to it. They don’t work on every device consistently. Issues? Click the settings gear on the upper right of the Xcancel page and choose the box “proxy video streaming through the server.” Then click “save preferences” at the bottom.
^
Ta.
:)
Michael V said:
Ian said:
kii said:Link: https://xcancel.com/beshearnews/status/1902765938950221913?s=46&t=V7VfS2×8f7Tb8bB5srchIg
Note: Xcancel links mirror Twitter without sending any traffic to it. They don’t work on every device consistently. Issues? Click the settings gear on the upper right of the Xcancel page and choose the box “proxy video streaming through the server.” Then click “save preferences” at the bottom.
^
Ta.
:)
If the videos are awful it would poxy proxy
Cymek said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:^
Ta.
:)
If the videos are awful it would poxy proxy
and if you need drugs to kill the pain from it it would be oxy poxy proxy
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
Michael V said:Ta.
:)
If the videos are awful it would poxy proxy
and if you need drugs to kill the pain from it it would be oxy poxy proxy
Is it really worth the effort? Weighed up against whatever angst or ire these videos stir in your breast?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
If the videos are awful it would poxy proxy
and if you need drugs to kill the pain from it it would be oxy poxy proxy
Is it really worth the effort? Weighed up against whatever angst or ire these videos stir in your breast?
but what if they leaked the personal information of hot Swedish singers on it so it became doxxy foxy roxy oxy poxy proxy
Has this benn mentioned here?
‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
The lemonesqueness of it.
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
Next DOGE target: NHTSA.
(Initialisation translation – see above.)
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
Next DOGE target: NHTSA.
(Initialisation translation – see above.)
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if that happens.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
Next DOGE target: NHTSA.
(Initialisation translation – see above.)
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if that happens.
Actually it’s probably more surprising that it hasn’t happened yet.
Spiny Norman said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Next DOGE target: NHTSA.
(Initialisation translation – see above.)
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if that happens.
Actually it’s probably more surprising that it hasn’t happened yet.
Yeah.
I suppose we’ll just wait and see.
Meanwhile there is Dutton and the Mining Fat Twins (Gina and Clive). At least we can vote to not have them run the place.
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
Don’t worry Tesla owners.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration won’t last long now.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
Don’t worry Tesla owners.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration won’t last long now.
I’m not going to buy a Cybertruck.
I’m just going to explore the highways, until i find enough fallen-off pieces to build one.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
Don’t worry Tesla owners.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration won’t last long now.
I’m not going to buy a Cybertruck.
I’m just going to explore the highways, until i find enough fallen-off pieces to build one.
FWIW you’ll never see one here anyway as they’re only made in LHD and so can’t be registered.
That, and they’re unsurpassed in fuglyness.
Michael V said:
We need others to vote with us though.
Spiny Norman said:
Spiny Norman said:I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if that happens.
Actually it’s probably more surprising that it hasn’t happened yet.
Yeah.
I suppose we’ll just wait and see.
Meanwhile there is Dutton and the Mining Fat Twins (Gina and Clive). At least we can vote to not have them run the place.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
Has this benn mentioned here?‘In latest blow to Tesla, regulators recall nearly all Cybertrucks’
https://apnews.com/article/cybertruck-recall-tesla-elon-musk-nhtsa-8c517e21aa1119d74b9db39f6aca01b7
‘U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right side of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.’
Eight recalls in the first year. I must get me one.
Don’t worry Tesla owners.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration won’t last long now.
I’m not going to buy a Cybertruck.
I’m just going to explore the highways, until i find enough fallen-off pieces to build one.
Hope you are a proficient welder.
kii said:
LOL
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Don’t worry Tesla owners.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration won’t last long now.
I’m not going to buy a Cybertruck.
I’m just going to explore the highways, until i find enough fallen-off pieces to build one.
FWIW you’ll never see one here anyway as they’re only made in LHD and so can’t be registered.
That, and they’re unsurpassed in fuglyness.
And how do they fit with the ADRs?
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
captain_spalding said:I’m not going to buy a Cybertruck.
I’m just going to explore the highways, until i find enough fallen-off pieces to build one.
FWIW you’ll never see one here anyway as they’re only made in LHD and so can’t be registered.
That, and they’re unsurpassed in fuglyness.
And how do they fit with the ADRs?
They also don’t proper indicators and brake lights of the correct colours.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:We need others to vote with us though.
Spiny Norman said:Actually it’s probably more surprising that it hasn’t happened yet.
Yeah.
I suppose we’ll just wait and see.
Meanwhile there is Dutton and the Mining Fat Twins (Gina and Clive). At least we can vote to not have them run the place.
Talk to some people and hope to convince them of the merits of not voting for that lot.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:FWIW you’ll never see one here anyway as they’re only made in LHD and so can’t be registered.
That, and they’re unsurpassed in fuglyness.
And how do they fit with the ADRs?
They also don’t proper indicators and brake lights of the correct colours.
I had a bad day with that in town yesterday. A lot of people didn’t put their blinker on. Here’s me trying to drive with a splint on one hand, nobody anywhere used their blinker properly and in one instance a bloke with hhis left hand blinker on, drove straight at me. He neverv intended to turn left at all. His blinker was still going when we both came to a stop and I was saying, I’ve given you room, Fuck off and turn your fucking blinker off. Which unless he could lip read was a waste of breath.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:We need others to vote with us though.Yeah.
I suppose we’ll just wait and see.
Meanwhile there is Dutton and the Mining Fat Twins (Gina and Clive). At least we can vote to not have them run the place.
Talk to some people and hope to convince them of the merits of not voting for that lot.
I do but I’m not in the best electorate.
Hey Elmo is an utter tnuc, is anyone surprised?
Spiny Norman said:
Hey Elmo is an utter tnuc, is anyone surprised?
Pardon me for giving a shit about other people.
Except Musk and his lackey Trump. They can eat a bag of shit.
Steve Gadd
25m ·
Sourced from finance.yahoo.com, futurism.com and uniladtech.com.
Recent reports suggest that Tesla has a $1.4 billion discrepancy in its financial records. This issue arises from a mismatch between the company’s reported capital expenditures and the increase in the value of its assets. Tesla spent $6.3 billion on property and equipment in the second half of 2024, but the value of these assets only increased by $4.9 billion, leaving $1.4 billion unaccounted for.
Experts have proposed possible explanations, such as asset sales, mergers, acquisitions, or foreign currency transactions, but no clear answers have been provided yet3. This situation has raised concerns about Tesla’s financial controls and transparency./
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short change.
sarahs mum said:
Steve Gadd
25m ·
Sourced from finance.yahoo.com, futurism.com and uniladtech.com.
Recent reports suggest that Tesla has a $1.4 billion discrepancy in its financial records. This issue arises from a mismatch between the company’s reported capital expenditures and the increase in the value of its assets. Tesla spent $6.3 billion on property and equipment in the second half of 2024, but the value of these assets only increased by $4.9 billion, leaving $1.4 billion unaccounted for.
Experts have proposed possible explanations, such as asset sales, mergers, acquisitions, or foreign currency transactions, but no clear answers have been provided yet3. This situation has raised concerns about Tesla’s financial controls and transparency./—-
short change.
I recall something posted about this earlier. IIRC, it was some British mob that found it, or published it or something.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Steve Gadd
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Sourced from finance.yahoo.com, futurism.com and uniladtech.com.
Recent reports suggest that Tesla has a $1.4 billion discrepancy in its financial records. This issue arises from a mismatch between the company’s reported capital expenditures and the increase in the value of its assets. Tesla spent $6.3 billion on property and equipment in the second half of 2024, but the value of these assets only increased by $4.9 billion, leaving $1.4 billion unaccounted for.
Experts have proposed possible explanations, such as asset sales, mergers, acquisitions, or foreign currency transactions, but no clear answers have been provided yet3. This situation has raised concerns about Tesla’s financial controls and transparency./—-
short change.
I recall something posted about this earlier. IIRC, it was some British mob that found it, or published it or something.
look dodgy accounting is dodgy accounting and we agree it’s dodgy but
seems like relatively minor distraction to blow up some story about $1.7 out of like a hundred
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.
Divine Angel said:
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.
Gonna sign up?
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.Gonna sign up?
I’ll pre-order Swasticar decals from Temu.
Divine Angel said:
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.
good time to introduce mini me to non-violent protesting.
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.good time to introduce mini me to non-violent protesting.
Oh, like keying the car?
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.good time to introduce mini me to non-violent protesting.
Oh, like keying the car?
or coach her in asking awkward questions.
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.good time to introduce mini me to non-violent protesting.
Oh, like keying the car?
Nah. Tie a bag of prawn heads up under the driver’s seat.
ChrispenEvan said:
Divine Angel said:
ChrispenEvan said:good time to introduce mini me to non-violent protesting.
Oh, like keying the car?
or coach her in asking awkward questions.
like, will people be seig heiling me when i drive by?
will people put dogshit on my car?
Divine Angel said:
I see my local Westfield is still hosting a Tesla Model Y. People can look inside the car and register their interest in purchasing one.
So, is everyone doing that and registering fictitious names and email addresses? To keep the sales people busy?
Divine Angel said:
wait who killed their parents
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
wait who killed their parents
Voldemort
Divine Angel said:
Should call him Fagin.
Divine Angel said:
I receive Survivor’s Benefits via mr kii.
I’m also an orphan.
Might add those targets to my back as well as the other ones, it’s getting crowded.
Divine Angel said:
FMD
Divine Angel said:
stuporvillain
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
stuporvillain
elon hannigan
kii said:
Divine Angel said:
I receive Survivor’s Benefits via mr kii.
I’m also an orphan.
Might add those targets to my back as well as the other ones, it’s getting crowded.
I mean orphans are by definition children…
however in writing we call the first line of a paragraph that is on the last line of a page an orphan too. (we don’t like it when that happens, but I would never take points off for it)
Arts said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
stuporvillain
elon hannigan
Modern day Charles Dickens story.
“Please, sir, I want some more.”
Elon Musk “No, and give me back what you already ate’
Arts said:
I mean orphans are by definition children…
I know that….derp.
It’s part of my back story. I’m an orphaned bastard love child (born out of wedlock).
kii said:
Arts said:I mean orphans are by definition children…
I know that….derp.
It’s part of my back story. I’m an orphaned bastard love child (born out of wedlock).
well, carry on.
Arts said:
kii said:
Divine Angel said:
I receive Survivor’s Benefits via mr kii.
I’m also an orphan.
Might add those targets to my back as well as the other ones, it’s getting crowded.
I mean orphans are by definition children…
however in writing we call the first line of a paragraph that is on the last line of a page an orphan too. (we don’t like it when that happens, but I would never take points off for it)
and the last line of a para at the top of the next page. used to be a pain when pasting up as you had to split paras to get rid of them.
Arts said:
kii said:
Arts said:
I mean orphans are by definition children…
I know that….derp.
It’s part of my back story. I’m an orphaned bastard love child (born out of wedlock).
well, carry on.
in breaking news all humans are children of other humans
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
kii said:
I know that….derp.
It’s part of my back story. I’m an orphaned bastard love child (born out of wedlock).
well, carry on.
in breaking news all humans are children of other humans
Therefore, the first living thing on Earth was a human
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Arts said:
well, carry on.
in breaking news all humans are children of other humans
Therefore, the first living thing on Earth was a human
Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.
Cymek said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:in breaking news all humans are children of other humans
Therefore, the first living thing on Earth was a human
Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.
Eh, we’ve certainly changed the place, but not as much as, say, the advent of photosynthesis. Humans are just something planets do sometimes.
sorry we left out the assumed word/s current or living
Cymek said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:in breaking news all humans are children of other humans
Therefore, the first living thing on Earth was a human
Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.
Indigenous Australians fitted into the country for a very long time.
fsm said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Therefore, the first living thing on Earth was a human
Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.Indigenous Australians fitted into the country for a very long time.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have the intelligence to fuck the place up. It was tthat they were smart enough to know when enough is enough. Besides, It was a tough act, to survive on this continent.
roughbarked said:
fsm said:
Cymek said:Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.Indigenous Australians fitted into the country for a very long time.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have the intelligence to fuck the place up. It was tthat they were smart enough to know when enough is enough. Besides, It was a tough act, to survive on this continent.
I wonder what differences there would be today if there had been millions of them instead of the, possibly (estimates vary quite a bit), +1 million.
roughbarked said:
fsm said:
Cymek said:Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.Indigenous Australians fitted into the country for a very long time.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have the intelligence to fuck the place up. It was tthat they were smart enough to know when enough is enough. Besides, It was a tough act, to survive on this continent.
Ok but they could have spruced the place up by building a coliseum or something.
(Obviously joking, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist)
roughbarked said:
fsm said:
Cymek said:Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.Indigenous Australians fitted into the country for a very long time.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have the intelligence to fuck the place up. It was tthat they were smart enough to know when enough is enough. Besides, It was a tough act, to survive on this continent.
pretty sure it wasn’t some magical wisdom or something that way and it’s just the case that survivors survived
roughbarked said:
fsm said:
Cymek said:Sometimes you can understand the belief that humans were transplanted or created separately to all other life.
We kind of wreck the place and don’t fit in with the harmony of existence.Indigenous Australians fitted into the country for a very long time.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have the intelligence to fuck the place up. It was tthat they were smart enough to know when enough is enough. Besides, It was a tough act, to survive on this continent.
Nah.
Use of energy. We have all sorts of energy-powered machines. These multiply the messing-up actions.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
fsm said:Indigenous Australians fitted into the country for a very long time.
It wasn’t that they didn’t have the intelligence to fuck the place up. It was tthat they were smart enough to know when enough is enough. Besides, It was a tough act, to survive on this continent.
pretty sure it wasn’t some magical wisdom or something that way and it’s just the case that survivors survived
That’s what the word means.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
It wasn’t that they didn’t have the intelligence to fuck the place up. It was tthat they were smart enough to know when enough is enough. Besides, It was a tough act, to survive on this continent.
pretty sure it wasn’t some magical wisdom or something that way and it’s just the case that survivors survived
That’s what the word means.
well we agree with that, you would be right to say that actually the selection principle «survivors survived» is some magical wisdom even if some 84 year old wouldn’t put it that way
The Rev Dodgson said:
so you’re worried
Maybe Grok is the real life Skynet.
fsm said:
so kkk is secretly pro CHINA what a donkey
My Day Inside America’s Most Hated Car
By Saahil Desai
On the first Sunday of spring, surrounded by row houses and magnolia trees, I came to a horrifying realization: My mom was right. I had been flipped off at least 17 times, called a “motherfucker” (in both English and Spanish), and a “fucking dork.” A woman in a blue sweater stared at me, sighed, and said, “You should be ashamed of yourself.” All of this because I was driving a Tesla Cybertruck.
dv said:
it needs … more than that … grow an extra say 120 years should do
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/2o8vpZqoz0
Musk gets trolled during gaming livestream on his private jet.
Elon Musk trying to prove his worth to a bunch of teenagers online gets destroyed by commenters as he live streamed Path of Exile 2 whispers. Commenters said “YOU HAVE NO REAL FRIENDS AND WILL DIE ALONE” and “DIE DIE DIE” as he frantically tried to hide them, then lost his hardcore permadeath character due to Starlink lag.
https://x.com/i/status/1909473669522260134
The messages are quite clear in their intent.
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Deev’s list doesn’t load for me, so I’ll post here.
Tesla Accused of Fudging Odometers to Avoid Warranty Repairs
As if it didn’t already have enough going on with declining sales and concerning recalls, Tesla has found itself in more trouble after the electric automaker was targeted in a new class-action lawsuit.
According to The Street, Tesla has been accused of deliberately fudging the mileage on its vehicles’ odometers in an apparent attempt to avoid paying for repairs that would normally be covered under warranty.
The plaintiff in the lawsuit said he bought a used 2020 Model Y Tesla vehicle with 36,772 miles on it. He said he started to notice “peculiar patterns” in mileage while the vehicle was continually having problems with its suspension. He claimed his daily driving habits should have amounted to about 20 miles per day, but his Tesla’s odometer was registering an average of 72 miles per day. As a result, he said Basic Warranty expired way ahead of schedule.
The lawsuit claims that Tesla’s odometer system relies on “predictive algorithms, energy consumption metrics and driver behavior multipliers that manipulate and misrepresent the actual mileage travelled by Tesla vehicles.” And by doing so, the automaker is accelerating the rate of depreciation and the expiration of warranties for its vehicles.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-accused-fudging-odometers-avoid-165107993.html?guccounter=1
‘ken F-Elon Musk. Or is that R. Sole?
wait are these the jokers who report distorted big range when the battery is full but then drop the range faster than the battery is used because it was all a lie
damn
nobody could have foreseen this
Maths is hard.
dv said:
Maths is hard.
seems unfair to the genius time travellers from the future
dv said:
Maths is hard.
That’s really gonna piss off my friend who was born in 1969.
kii said:
I should let him know That with calculations like that he’ll miss Mars by miles and end up leaving the solar system.
dv said:
Maths is hard.
That’s really gonna piss off my friend who was born in 1969.
On second thoghts, I’ll just wish him well.
dv said:
Maths is hard.
I’ll say!
Michael V said:
dv said:
Maths is hard.
I’ll say!
I think Elon is finding reality is also a bit hard at the moment, as his efforts at diminishing the US government lead to plenty of protests.
“all those protesters are being paid. The protesters are fraudsters and wastrels”
ruby said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Maths is hard.
I’ll say!
I think Elon is finding reality is also a bit hard at the moment, as his efforts at diminishing the US government lead to plenty of protests.
“all those protesters are being paid. The protesters are fraudsters and wastrels”
:)
And Musk-stick is an arsehole.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
Bit of excitement in Mini Me’s class today
damn that musk fella
He’s disappeared off the radar. What’s happened to him?
oh yeah good point haven’t heard much from that fascist
maybe he really is smart enough to quit while he’s ahead and take the money and run before it crashes down further
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