Date: 27/07/2023 19:04:44
From: party_pants
ID: 2058549
Subject: Hate Thread: Elon
Elon is a clown.
(just a loosener to test the grip)
Date: 27/07/2023 20:04:21
From: Ian
ID: 2058577
Subject: re: Hate Thread: Elon
Elon is a clown.
(just a loosener to test the grip)
Like Trump the original, this thread is actually support for felon because they revel in the attention.
Oops.
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
Yeah, hate is a strong word…
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
This thread is specifically so you can avoid reading all the Elon hate.
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I don’t hate him but got damn he makes some weird calls.
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
call me when he puts a motorbike in orbit around the sun
Arts said:
call me when he puts a motorbike in orbit around the sun
ummm… electric or petrol motorbike?
ChrispenEvan said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
ChrispenEvan said:
poikilotherm said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I thought he was going alright, then he put a car in orbit around the sun.
You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
So Basically All Car Manufacturers Put … Oh Wait
poikilotherm said:
ChrispenEvan said:
poikilotherm said:You mean Mars…
mars is in orbit around the sun!
But it’s not in mars’ orbit…
Elons car has completed about 3.6 orbits around the Sun since launch.
https://www.whereisroadster.com/
Kingy said:
Elons car has completed about 3.6 orbits around the Sun since launch.https://www.whereisroadster.com/
OK, is that the noise is all about… ?
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
Elons car has completed about 3.6 orbits around the Sun since launch.https://www.whereisroadster.com/
OK, is that the noise is all about… ?
Yeah, he gave it a crackle tune.
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
True. The arsehole is such an arsehole that the fraction would have to be far greater than 1 before sensible people would consider the arsehole a hero.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
True. The arsehole is such an arsehole that the fraction would have to be far greater than 1 before sensible people would consider the arsehole a hero.
Are you really a trolling idiot, because otherwise you give a very good imitation of one?
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
True. The arsehole is such an arsehole that the fraction would have to be far greater than 1 before sensible people would consider the arsehole a hero.
Are you really a trolling idiot, because otherwise you give a very good imitation of one?
We are experts at imitation¡
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:That would be the most stupid and misleading comment I have encountered regarding Elon Musk.
Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:Elucidate.
Honestly if he’d just kept on keeping on with Tesla and SpaceX he’d be sweet. It was really only his pro-Covid, anti-union and anti-woke brainbug that led him to want a Social Media platform in the first place and shit just spiralled out of control from there. It’s probably not too late: it must be tough for someone in his situation to know who to listen to, especially when the people you really need to listen to aren’t telling you what you want to hear.
For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
diddums.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:For a start he did not really want to purchase Twitter, but took initial actions that made it difficult to back out. He was never keen on the way twitter was run and wanted to radically change it, which he is in the process of doing; whether this turns out in the long-term to be better or worse remains to be seen, but it is far too early to judge.
Musk has been instrumental in SpaceX technology with revolutionary take-off and landing that greatly reduces the costs and other difficulties in space exploration. He has also formulated a new and worldwide system of economical location and communication satellites. He has manufactured large numbers of electric cars and made improvements to battery technology, plus has a huge car manufacturing plant in China. He has moved into robot and Ai development where he is making world class discoveries. Yet you dismiss all of the above to place the social media twitter outlet as the major interest of concern, which I repeat is in a new state of development of which you nor anyone else has the slightest clue what might eventuate.
So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Just more of your BS and trying to make yourself look intelligent.
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:So you agree with me.
You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
Cymek said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
There are conflicting reports on that. He’s a software engineer and some people who have worked for him report that he dives in and gets up to scratch on fluid dynamics etc so he can understand problems. Others have said that his vanity and tendency to chase thought-balloons can be disruptive (in a bad way) to managing projects. It is possible that both these things are true.
Cymek said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:You are not clever, and you lack imagination. Boring and predictable.
Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
dv said:Uh okay but for real, what you posted was just a long form of what I said. A simple “you’re right, dv” would have sufficed but I appreciate that you went the extra kilometre.
Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Other people did the hard work though didn’t they, he just had the ideas (perhaps, all kind of sci fi novel stuff)
He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Do you really think he should act and behave like people here? He is different, he has insights and great courage to invest his money in these High-Tec ventures. There is no comparison.
Oh PF you fawning psychophant
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:He employed the right people who could turn his ideas into reality. This bloke is really smart and yet you get these dummies trying to drag him down to their level. This action does not interfere with Musk in the slightest but does indicate the small-mindedness of certain people.
Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Do you really think he should act and behave like people here? He is different, he has insights and great courage to invest his money in these High-Tec ventures. There is no comparison.
To be fair constant attention seeking is tiring regardless of the person
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Who really knows what goes on, I suppose to appeal to many people you have to appear larger than life and a bit of a tool.
Quiet achieving might not work in our sound bite world
Do you really think he should act and behave like people here? He is different, he has insights and great courage to invest his money in these High-Tec ventures. There is no comparison.
To be fair constant attention seeking is tiring regardless of the person
Look, the media are interested in this guy and follow him around to get a story. I dare say if you were the richest man in the world with a shedload of high-tec businesses and ideas, plus the money to put them into operation, then they would be hanging on your every word too.
party_pants said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
All together now.
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
Well nobody is perfect. Perhaps you expect too much.
PermeateFree said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
PermeateFree said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Mentioning below the belt isn’t funny
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
btm said:IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
Nah, he’s just a cunt.
The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:That is definitely below the belt and not funny.
Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Would things change if he was a weirdo in that manner
What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.
There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:What a thing to say! What are you trying you do, assassinate his character?
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the time
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the timeGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
I suppose it depends on if it benefits all or just the wealthy.
You could be a genius but not a great person if you create an empire to change the world technologically but not socially.
It’s what a smart time traveller to the future would ask, you’d expect all sort of wonderous tech but does human nastiness still exist
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Nah, he’s just a cunt.The value of his companies is waaaaaay over-inflated and over-hyped. As are tech stocks generally. Take Tesla for example, it has a market cap of around 800 billion USD. about 4 times more than Toyota, and 8-10 times Ford, Mazda, GM and the other majors. Tesla are barely in the top 20 list of largest manufacturers by cars produced, and not even the largest EV maker. It is all just wind and hype driven by speculators. Sooner or later Tesla needs to stop being considered as a “tech stock” and considered as a manufacturing business with all the usual constraints of supply chains, labour costs, logistics and all the rest of it.
The stock price premium on “tech stocks” is absurd and needs to come crashing back down to reality.
Sorry, I think you are the cunt and totally unrealistic. Why don’t you find out about the man before wiping your shitty fingers all over him.
I’ve done my own research.
:)
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:I’ve done my own research.
BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:BullShit! The only research you have done is to read anti-Musk social media.
This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the timeGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
I suppose it depends on if it benefits all or just the wealthy.
You could be a genius but not a great person if you create an empire to change the world technologically but not socially.
It’s what a smart time traveller to the future would ask, you’d expect all sort of wonderous tech but does human nastiness still exist
He is actively changing the world in a big way. Nobody has as much influence in the high-tec world of space exploration, satellites, electric cars, batteries, robots and Ai, as him. These are all very large endeavors that benefit humanity, and he is into them all in a very large way. Just who do you want to run these businesses, Super-Man?
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Some people also know more about certain things than others because of their life experiences. We are all a part of the moving tapestry. We all weave our part in.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
This.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
I have no affiliation with Musk; it just annoys me that a man who has achieved so much be brought down by those not fit to wipe his boots.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
You’re all worse than Hitler.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
I have no affiliation with Musk; it just annoys me that a man who has achieved so much be brought down by those not fit to wipe his boots.
Whatever, if Musk is wrong he will fail badly but if he is right he will manage to achieve lots.
As you say, we have yet to see this all in the fullness of time.
That’s if the Earths ecosystem doesn’t crash and burn first.
Spiny Norman said:
You’re all worse than Hitler.
Here we go, it has been Godwinned now.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This place is the closest I get to social media. I have a FB accounts, but only use it for family and friends. I don’t even have an account for any of the others.
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:I think you are getting hyped up.
Musk doesn’t need you to defend him. You’ve probably got higher goals to achieve that get involved in shit fights for him.
I have no affiliation with Musk; it just annoys me that a man who has achieved so much be brought down by those not fit to wipe his boots.
Whatever, if Musk is wrong he will fail badly but if he is right he will manage to achieve lots.
As you say, we have yet to see this all in the fullness of time.
That’s if the Earths ecosystem doesn’t crash and burn first.
He has already achieved a great deal to more than prove his worth.
Spiny Norman said:
You’re all worse than Hitler.
He did some great things too… at first…
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
SHORT SHORT SHORT ¡
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Seeing as I have heard what you wrote several times here, you probably have had more than enough influence by social media.
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
That’s right blame the tools ¡
party_pants said:
btm said:
dv said:
IDK man, it’s possible to laud Musk for his achievements yet criticise him for his mistakes. Reality is complex.
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
btm said:
IDK man, the same could be said of Rolf Harris, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey.
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
or make martyrs out of them…
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
well, tan me hide when I’m dead, Fred.
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
or make martyrs out of them…
Well yeah we mean even in this thread seems like there’s people who think that doing some good things means someone should be immune to criticism, and people who think that doing some bad things means someone can never be recognised for progressive achievements, but regardless we agree that rich pricks are rich pricks.
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
SCIENCE said:
Fact is it’s true, there are things that people do and sometimes they’re good, sometimes they’re bad, and it’s fucking stupid to pretend they weren’t done.
or make martyrs out of them…
Well yeah we mean even in this thread seems like there’s people who think that doing some good things means someone should be immune to criticism, and people who think that doing some bad things means someone can never be recognised for progressive achievements, but regardless we agree that rich pricks are rich pricks.
so now we are ALL agreeing with DV.. what. day to be alive… for DV
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:All the stuff about tech stocks being overvalued and just propped up by hype and speculation are widely reported in the mainstream financial media.
Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
People do have opinions uninfluenced by others and just through observation
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
That’s right blame the tools ¡
Think all your tools are bent and very blunt.
LOL
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
No I have no idea what he is really like.
Are achievements null and void by certain actions.There is a great deal written about the man by researchers and people who know him, yet you are content to follow the crap of vindictive individuals who probably are unable to get up in the morning. Please use a little discretion and do some basic research before you try to bring people down.
I’m not bring anyone down, but the truth in todays world is hard to come by especially about people.
I really don’t pay much attention to him, discussing people is boring most of the timeGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Correct, and we’re discussing that there have been certain sources of ideas in clusters that are absolute shit ideas.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Yes but social media is renowned for spreading lies and various rubbishy ideas.
That’s right blame the tools ¡
Think all your tools are bent and very blunt.
LOL
We meant Musk so yeah.
Spiny Norman said:
ChrispenEvan said:
:)
Is it time to bring these again¿
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:Virtually every substantial stock is overvalued on the stock market. Share prices rarely reflect true value, but the potential (or hype) of the company along with the increase of the share price. High share prices are what the share market is all about.
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:There are two drivers of share prices. One is based on the balanced consideration of sales, costs, profit margins and dividends. The other is based on what people hope they can sell the shares for tomorrow if they buy them today (also known as the Greater Fool Theory) . Only one of these is a sustainable long term strategy.
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
LOLOLOL
Don’t cry PP
:))))))))
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Below is the trading of Tesla since it started. As you can see it began in 2011 (12 years ago) and has risen consistently over that period. If there were any gross overvaluation or doddy activity it would have shown up long before now. It is generally regarded as a good buy, although there is currently a dip in the price, but outlook is still bullish. I think the above proves your opinion to be very wrong and a longway out of date.
This graph proves my point.
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
This graph proves my point.
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
Hey you know since you live Xhitter so much maybe you can get involved¡
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Next: oh look at Bitcoin, it’s so high now, must be intrinsically valuable ¡
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
Hey you know since you live Xhitter so much maybe you can get involved¡
Woof, Woof.
:)))))
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
I wish DV would take you for a walk somewhere else. Why not try the park, grass to run on, plenty of smells and places to cock your leg. You would love It.
Hey you know since you live Xhitter so much maybe you can get involved¡
Woof, Woof.
:)))))
Burning petroleum again eh nice environmentalism they’re¡
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
That’s a wild story
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
That’s a wild story
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
That’s a wild story
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Idiot.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Idiot.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Idiot.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
- American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
You really are the supreme idiot. For Christ’s sake bugger-off.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Idiot.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
- American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
You really are the supreme idiot. For Christ’s sake bugger-off.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.
Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Didn’t his dad leave him an emerald mine?
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Fortunately for them and Elon, it turned out that the dirt contained emeralds.
I do like the term ‘dirt farmers’.
“Why you up so early Jacob?
‘Have to be, Caleb, that dirt won’t grow itself. Hopin’ for a bumper crop this year. Might try puttin’ in some gravel next year, if this crop pays well.”
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Fortunately for them and Elon, it turned out that the dirt contained emeralds.
Aye, they hit pay dirt.
captain_spalding said:
I do like the term ‘dirt farmers’.“Why you up so early Jacob?
‘Have to be, Caleb, that dirt won’t grow itself. Hopin’ for a bumper crop this year. Might try puttin’ in some gravel next year, if this crop pays well.”
LOL
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
- American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
You really are the supreme idiot. For Christ’s sake bugger-off.
Video of yourself driving one the full 13847569 miles* of range or it didn’t happen.
*: American Imperialist Arsehole Unit
Are you a schoolboy SCIENCE or just some loony?
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
You working on a script for Ben?
Fuck that p_p is a troublemaker!!!
Bubblecar said:
It’s true that Musk came from very humble origins. His parents were poor Afrikaner dirt farmers who could barely read and write, hence their misspelling of “Elton” at his christening.Out of respect for them, Elon decided to retain the misspelling throughout his life, often joking that “the t is missing, but it’s not silent.”
Thanks for explaining Elon-Gate.
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
dv said:
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
What about a foak tree then.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Elon is Hebrew for oak tree. It’s the name of a few people in the Bible.
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
What about a foak tree then.
For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
So, does that make him a good or bad old stick?
What about a foak tree then.
For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:SCIENCE said:
What about a foak tree then.
For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:For context of course we can always remember this
because as everyone knows once someone does something laudable, it becomes unacceptable to say bad things about them
oh fucking wait a moment.
Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:Can’t say I blame Musk for getting mad and losing his cool. He was genuinely trying to help with his mini-sub which at the time seemed the only way to get them out, but then you have all armchair experts in social media that have a pathological hatred for Musk shitting all over him and his idea, which would be enough to get anyone pissed off. Shame empathy is not part of your character.
He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
No, not at all…
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:He had no idea and actual experts got them out so he had a hissy fit…
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:
https://elonmusk.today/
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
That has nothing to do with it. The man tried and it might have worked, but he was dismissed and not only that, he was also ridiculed. Don’t you think that is unkind and unfair?
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Does sound familar.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Does sound familar.
…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
So it is a comedy?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
So it is a comedy?
Farce, i should say.
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
I saw a piece yesterday. Way back when Elon was part of Pay-Pal he wanted to created an all-in multi-purpose financial services app. He called it X and bought the domain name and everything. The other people behind Pay-Pal didn’t like the idea and he was forced out by the rest of the board. But he still owns the X registration.
It seems he wants to turn Twitter into his dream financial services platform. He is not really interested in keeping it going just as a social media platform in its present form. Expect Twitter to become less about discussion and more about money.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
I saw a piece yesterday. Way back when Elon was part of Pay-Pal he wanted to created an all-in multi-purpose financial services app. He called it X and bought the domain name and everything. The other people behind Pay-Pal didn’t like the idea and he was forced out by the rest of the board. But he still owns the X registration.
It seems he wants to turn Twitter into his dream financial services platform. He is not really interested in keeping it going just as a social media platform in its present form. Expect Twitter to become less about discussion and more about money.
Yeah, Westpac had an idea like that back in the earl 1990s. It was called CS-90. They kept finding more and more for it to do, so it grew into this monstrous black hole that just consumed money and resources without any foreseeable conclusion.
Eventually, they just said ‘enough of this bullshit’, and cancelled it. The figure that Westpac would admit to having squandered on the project was around the $300 million mark.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
We agree with most if not all the above.
captain_spalding said:
Elon and Twitter reminds me of Gomez Addams blowing up his model train layout.
unfortunately musk doesn’t have the same family values as the Addams Family had.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
poikilotherm said:
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:https://elonmusk.today/
They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
PermeateFree said:
poikilotherm said:
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:https://elonmusk.today/
They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
No, not at all…
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Suppose so, a bit like you then.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
The only thing that made the mini-sub unsuitable was the U shaped section where a metal tube could not be moved. Also he had delivered to min-sub BEFORE they had got everyone out. Plus the experts themselves were not sure they could get them out. There were long reasonable straight sections where the min-sub could have been used, but thankfully they managed without it. Elon Musk is damned if he dos and damned if he doesn’t by the highly prejudicial social media.
So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
To research the situation was impossible as there was very little information available, and time was critical as lives were at stake.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Social media; wonders if we would be smarter without it.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
To research the situation was impossible as there was very little information available, and time was critical as lives were at stake.
Well, if he was acting in the absence of a clear picture of the whole situation, Elon can be considered to have done a ‘good thing’ by sending the sub.
When it was explained that, thanks, Elon, but it just won’t go around the corners, spitting the dummy and accusing people of criminal tendencies was probably not the nicest way to go. “Oh, i wasn’t aware of that, well, all the best to you in your efforts, and please, use the sub if it’s any help at all” might have been a more considered response.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
Does sound familar.
…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Does sound familar.
…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
He’d more likely buy the local SES for $10 billion and proceed to drive all of its vehicles into a stone wall.
We agree with most if not all the above.
Is that the royal WE?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
Everyone needs a hobby.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So it was useless.
Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
captain_spalding said:
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
Everyone needs a hobby.
I’d have a flock of them.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
poikilotherm said:
Previous tech barons had “reality distortion fields,” but Musk just blithely contradicts himself and pretends he isn’t doing so, like a budget Steve Jobs. There’s an entire site devoted to cataloging Musk’s public lies:https://elonmusk.today/
They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
Instead of throwing insult over insult at the man, why don’t you just try reading about his life’s history, then your comments might become realistic instead of just plain stupid.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
To research the situation was impossible as there was very little information available, and time was critical as lives were at stake.
Well, if he was acting in the absence of a clear picture of the whole situation, Elon can be considered to have done a ‘good thing’ by sending the sub.
When it was explained that, thanks, Elon, but it just won’t go around the corners, spitting the dummy and accusing people of criminal tendencies was probably not the nicest way to go. “Oh, i wasn’t aware of that, well, all the best to you in your efforts, and please, use the sub if it’s any help at all” might have been a more considered response.
As if such nice comment would come from social media, where the dregs of society seem to spend their days just waiting to drag someone down.
ChrispenEvan said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
yeah, i know if i had $400 billion + wealth I’d still come here and post drak memes and shit.
it reminds me of a slapjack form Ricky Gervais. someone asked how the fuck can someone who had millions of dollars send his days on social media… and Ricky said it’s because I’ve got millions of dollars that I can spend my days on social media..
and I think there’s something in that for all of us
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:He would do better to offer his services and join his local SES.
You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:They are mostly years old and are hopes and predictions. Things change over time, conditions change over time, our knowledge changes over time. but apparently according to social media (the largest pit of disinformation they should not). Give the poor man a break, he is only human.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
Instead of throwing insult over insult at the man, why don’t you just try reading about his life’s history, then your comments might become realistic instead of just plain stupid.
I know a little of his history, but i was referring to the man he is now, and his habit of blithely making, as someone else has remarked, comments and announcements which actually contradict his earlier remarks, and not to the person that he was at any previous time, or the tribulations of his early life.
I also draw an equivalence between the man he is now, and the man that Donald Trump is now. Now, there’s two different upbringings for you, is there not, and we have two men who seem prone to the same either unconscious or wilful amnesia of their own utterances, so perhaps Elon’s attitudes may not be all that much the product of his earlier life?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:…and then incinerate all of its equipment, while making bad puns and publicly insulting people who he doesn’t know.
Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony. You have got to laugh or go insane like most posters.
(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
I’m just too naive to keep up with a genius like you, PF. It’s so kind of you to deign to correspond with me.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
answer the question. what did those in authority say to him? social media doesn’t count.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
yeah, but you get to take lots of drugs.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
yeah, but you get to take lots of drugs.
well, I got that bit sorted.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
yeah, but you get to take lots of drugs.
(sits up, takes notice)
Do you? I wasn’t aware of that. Can you refer me to more information on the matter?
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Wouldn’t it be interesting to put Elon and Trump in the same room, and have them talk just the weirdest psychotic shit at each other?
Instead of throwing insult over insult at the man, why don’t you just try reading about his life’s history, then your comments might become realistic instead of just plain stupid.
I know a little of his history, but i was referring to the man he is now, and his habit of blithely making, as someone else has remarked, comments and announcements which actually contradict his earlier remarks, and not to the person that he was at any previous time, or the tribulations of his early life.
I also draw an equivalence between the man he is now, and the man that Donald Trump is now. Now, there’s two different upbringings for you, is there not, and we have two men who seem prone to the same either unconscious or wilful amnesia of their own utterances, so perhaps Elon’s attitudes may not be all that much the product of his earlier life?
Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:Yes. We could give him credit for trying but he hadn’t researched the stuation and it all smacked of grandstanding rather than doing the job he said it would.
This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
It takes some severe mental gymnastics to characterise this as victimisation.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:(thinks: did i leave the irony on?)
Yeah, i get what you mean. But, while I may call the RBA a bunch of hidebound clods, i don’t do it over a variety of popular mass media. Just among a bunch of hardened veterans of life, like this outfit.
Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
I’m just too naive to keep up with a genius like you, PF. It’s so kind of you to deign to correspond with me.
Oh to have such a golden glow from one’s bum. You are so lucky to live in such a secure encompassing environment.
:)))
PermeateFree said:
Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
Most kind remarks of yours there, and, i confess, i may overindulge in my lifelong habit of rectal oration here these days.
It’s good to have you around to prompt me to examine how far out my head is extended, and whether or not it might stand a degree or two of retraction.
I will try to be less impulsive and more considered in my comments, and perhaps restore my standing to some degree in the eyes of yourself and others.
I am in your debt, sir.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh god. you really have been sucked in. Really bad when you can’t see the wood for the trees.
:)))
I’m just too naive to keep up with a genius like you, PF. It’s so kind of you to deign to correspond with me.
Oh to have such a golden glow from one’s bum. You are so lucky to live in such a secure encompassing environment.
:)))
It is rather snug in here. Sorry, room for one only.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:what did people on the ground say to him? you know those people in authority at that time. not people on social media. did they reply with nasty comments? If so what did they say? If you are just going on what social media said then that is really beside the point.
Well didn’t he reply on social media, from comments he received on social media? As this forum implies – everyone is out to get Elon.
answer the question. what did those in authority say to him? social media doesn’t count.
Of course it counts. He was being lambasted on social media and replied on social media. It is as simple as!
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Again, it’s one thing to chuck a wobbly in the privacy of your own luxurious multi-billionaire’s home, perhaps among your circle of acquaintances, and that’s a right i will happily defend.
To basically notify the printed and electronic media of your negative opinions of people on the other side of the world who are quite busy with something important is another matter.
Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:This.
We can give him credit for offering to help. But when the offer was declined there is no point in sending the thing over by air freight and trying to deliver it to site. Then chuck a big sad over it and start calling other rescuers peodos and stuff like that. It is getting a bit into childish tanty territory.
Well the poor bloke was trying to help and did his best to do so which was flung back in his face with nasty comment. Don’t know about you, but most would get a bit pissed off and say a few things they might later wish they hadn’t said. Have you ever done something like that with similar provocation or are you one of the fortunate with a glowing light that shines from your backside?
It takes some severe mental gymnastics to characterise this as victimisation.
I think you can do it without thinking, seems to come with credits in social media.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
Most kind remarks of yours there, and, i confess, i may overindulge in my lifelong habit of rectal oration here these days.
It’s good to have you around to prompt me to examine how far out my head is extended, and whether or not it might stand a degree or two of retraction.
I will try to be less impulsive and more considered in my comments, and perhaps restore my standing to some degree in the eyes of yourself and others.
I am in your debt, sir.
My pleasure and I wish you every success.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:You have a bloke managing some of the largest and advanced companies in the world and you expect him to conduct himself like your next-door neighbor?
We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you were so righteous. Have you ever thought of start a religious scam?
Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
Oh, them, don’t get me started…
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Steady on, we haven’t got Trump yet.
It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
But some are darker than others and those that slander and try to destroy people who have made something of themselves are the blackest of pots and too far gone to ever scrum clean.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Here we go again, more selfrightous bullshit. Comparing the two reflects very poorly on yourself. I too recall you in earlier times on the forum when I thought, this bloke (you) knows a thing or two and is worth a listen, but look at you now. This place has not been kind to you.
Most kind remarks of yours there, and, i confess, i may overindulge in my lifelong habit of rectal oration here these days.
It’s good to have you around to prompt me to examine how far out my head is extended, and whether or not it might stand a degree or two of retraction.
I will try to be less impulsive and more considered in my comments, and perhaps restore my standing to some degree in the eyes of yourself and others.
I am in your debt, sir.
My pleasure and I wish you every success.
Be assured of my best efforts, sir.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:It is only you that finds a connection there, surely that must tell you something?
I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:We can expect him to conduct himself with dignity and honour.
I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s Übermensch philosophy, that some people are so special that the normal rules of society don’t apply to them. Look what it gives us: Trump, Borris, Elon and their ilk. Let’s not have any more Übermensch.
What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Frequently, but (and i give ‘em credit here), it’s a lot of work, and really quite a tedious career. Sure, the money’s good, but the people you have to hang around with are the pits. All sorts of losers, no-hopers, crooks, MPs…
Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:I’m just quoting from the Woke Hit List.
Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Sounds like it must be at the bottom of the barrel. Sorry I have never been there.
You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
furious said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t forget the forum self-righteous brigades.
A little more imagination if not intelligence as your latest post has already been addressed. Thank you.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:You should try it. The view upwards is marvellous.
Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
They are, like Elon’s in donating the sub, valid within the scope of information available to him.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:What a strange comment. Are you trying to appear really clever and insightful?
You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
Once again you prove my point.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Like the frog in the well who thinks it has seen the world.
If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
They are, like Elon’s in donating the sub, valid within the scope of information available to him.
Well he tried and his intentions were good.
It’s all getting a bit TL:DR
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
They are, like Elon’s in donating the sub, valid within the scope of information available to him.
Well he tried and his intentions were good.
Oh, Lord, please don’t let him be misunderstood.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:You are a bitter and conceited fuckwit. Your automatic assumption is that anyone who disagrees with you does so because they are stupid. You can never bring yourself to the position of even considering an opposing view on an equal intellectual level. Now it has become so ingrained that you jump in an always take the opposing view to try fill your superiority fantasy, regardless if how silly it makes you look. You think of yourself as some superior being beyond the understanding of the mere mortals of this forum. Now you think EM is also beyond our understanding, but you’re really just projecting yourself into your pro-EM position.
But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:If he’s seen the blue sky, then at least he’s seen one of the better aspects of it.
But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing…
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing…
I think we need a panel of experts to adjudicate on irony.
An irony board, if you will.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:But it is YOU and YOUR ILK that are making all the shitty comments about a man who is more than your equal. Your comment above just goes to show how ridiculous you are. Go back and look at the stupid comments made about Musk in THIS forum, let alone others who have a larger number of armchair experts. And just because you say something, it does not make if fact, please remember that if nothing else.
Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:This forgets that an overwhelming majority of people think Musk’s a tosser. As usual you’re wearing your contraryness as some sort of moronic badge of honour.
Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
furious said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing…
You another schoolboy furious, or just another social media commentator?
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
You CAN really read? Gosh, I had better watch myself then.
:)))
Anyway, I am getting a bit tired of this hate thread. I have had my fun stamping on the ants nest and thankfully have not been stung, despite the swarms of snapping invertibrates.
:))))))))))))))
PermeateFree said:
furious said:
PermeateFree said:But he is deceiving himself if he thinks his opinions are valid.
You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
furious said:You really lack self awareness…
Oh the irony is very sad.
Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:Oh the irony is very sad.
Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Yes there are a lot of disenchanted XTwitter users and even more with a poor grasp of reality on social media generally, so you are probably right about the numbers. However, if these social media gems bothered to find out about the man, they would find an extremely intelligent person who is actually changing the world making it better and cheaper for many. It is purely this aspect I defend as nobody else seems to have the gumption to do so. This man is not perfect as any of us are and because of opportunity makes many gaffs, but in the main his business successes are unrivaled. Social Media’s greatest fault is the imbecilic crowd mentality when they will believe whatever anyone says as long as the other idiots do too. Social media is not clever, especially at these levels and to side with it only draws you down to their level.
You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:Elony and irony,
Live together in perfect harmony….
But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:But you don’t HAVE to like him. Just reduce the vicious comment, especially on his achievements that are considerable.
Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You forget that Musk is a very prolific user of SM and if it has turned against him it is entirely his own fault.
If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:Musk’s has some great achievements which will stand on their own, no need to lionize the guy. He is also a chronic liar and borderline con-man. Lately he’s been acting like a dick, so people are responding in kind.
I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If you consider social media as a high measure of intellect and understanding than I suppose it would be important, but in reality it attracts the dregs of society who make stupid and often vicious comment simply because they can. Intellect and understanding count for nothing.
Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
This thread exists because someone asked for a dedicated thread to keep discussion about Elon from sidetracking other threads. So those not interested in Elon could avoid it. It serves that purpose well. The “Hate Thread” title is just poetic licence.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:I am not lionizing anyone. Simply defending him from unjust, untrue and malicious comment made by many in social media including here. If you think my comments have been unjustly made, I suggest you read back in this thread and have another look. There is NO excuse for the stupid comments made by people who do not know what they are talking about and who are only too willing to embellish their comments to an even greater level of ridiculousness.
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Oh so that’s why Musk has the most Twitter followers…
They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
Once again you prove my point.
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
Like the shittest book, like a fold of toilet paper after it’s been well used¡
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Hate you say this p-p, but you are giving a very good impression of a nincompoop.
.. and that is your fundamental position on every topic: Anyone who disagrees with you must be a fool.
I read you like a book.
Like the shittest book, like a fold of toilet paper after it’s been well used¡
DV let you out again. Be careful you don’t run under a bus.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
It’s literally labelled “Hate Thread”. Please revise “The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism” to ease your confusion.
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
Fair.
SCIENCE said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
Fair.
You represent the pinnacle of a social media contributor. You mucky little boy.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:They just read him like most media outlets do in the hope of titillation or a story they can use often taking minor things to extremes so they can expand their mucky comments to even more unjust levels. The media both social and commercial are NOT paragons of virtue and commonly print untrue and misleading remarks that the ignorant and small-minded can make into some major calamity which hopefully will bring down someone important, so they can make up yet another grubby story.
The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t be such a smartarse, we all know what this thread is about without your puerile embellishment.
Whatever you say pedoguy69420
What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
He’s learnt from the best.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The overwhelming majority of Musk’s followers are fanbois. Dregs as you say. Completely bereft of objectivity: much like yourself.
Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
esselte said:Whatever you say pedoguy69420
What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
He’s learnt from the best.
Don’t think esselte will like that.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Please don’t forget, you are the one shitting over someone who outshines you by a very large degree. I am only trying to introduce a little reality and point out the unjust nature of many comments made here and elsewhere. So, if you think crapping unjustly on someone in large amounts is the right thing to do, then I see your personal objectivity.
Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:What a shithouse you are. Absolutely nothing too low for you.
He’s learnt from the best.
Don’t think esselte will like that.
Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Who’s shitting? I’m just questioning your attitude that just because someone is wealthy that means they are a paragon of virtue. And compared to other billionaires who spend their filthy lucre on philanthropy Musk is just a cunt with a chequebook to pursue his whims.
Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
Oh god. This is too, too much. Hope you don’t mind if I go off and have a laugh.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Interesting twisted logic, but anyway I suggest you read about the man as you obviously don’t seem know the first thing about him.
I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
Oh god. This is too, too much. Hope you don’t mind if I go off and have a laugh.
Go off and die for all I care. Unfortunately for you you won’t be missed by anyone here.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:He’s learnt from the best.
Don’t think esselte will like that.
Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t think esselte will like that.
Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:I expect I know more about him than you who disregards anything that contradicts your preconceived notions. This is well recognised to be a habit of yours.
Oh god. This is too, too much. Hope you don’t mind if I go off and have a laugh.
Go off and die for all I care. Unfortunately for you you won’t be missed by anyone here.
I’ll be devastated.
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
LOL.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Do you even know what Esselte is referring to?
Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Probably something not very nice. Sorry trivia is not my specialty, but if you think esselte will enjoy the reference, then so be it.
Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
LOL.
Sorry unlike you I do not follow social media any more than I need, which thankfully is rather limited. However, you experts usually let us know what we are missing out on, although I must admit of being underwhelmed on most occasions.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Hah. As I expected. Esselte should be very chuffed to make you appears a fool as such.
Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Is this still going on?
It’s like Peyton Place, only not as interesting.
captain_spalding said:
Is this still going on?It’s like Peyton Place, only not as interesting.
like shit through a goose, these are the days of our lives.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Witty, to be nice I suggest you go and do something else, because it is you who is making a fool of themself. Just saying.
Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
captain_spalding said:
Is this still going on?It’s like Peyton Place, only not as interesting.
That’s true, they seem to be moving on from Musk to me, which unfortunately I am obliged to defend. Small minds seem to have a lot of trouble staying on topic.
Hey if billionaires act like arseholes then all we
need to do to become billionaires is to act like arseholes too right¿
SCIENCE said:
Hey if billionaires act like arseholes then all we
need to do to become billionaires is to act like arseholes too right¿
can money buy you arseholeness though?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Search ‘pedoguy’ in google and expand your mind brother!
Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
SCIENCE said:
Hey if billionaires act like arseholes then all we
need to do to become billionaires is to act like arseholes too right¿
I think you are falling down a deep dark hole SCIENCE. Are you sure this is where you want to go?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Mind expansion is it? I just have, and it is another unjust insult aimed at Musk. There must be a limit to how low you can go, but I shall not be surprised if there isn’t.
Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Just goes to show how little you know about Musk. I don’t know what media you follow but it leaves you seriously out of your depth on this forum for one.
I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
At least we can both agree that Musk using social media to defame people is bad.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
At least we can both agree that Musk using social media to defame people is bad.
Well, the business media does, the social media does, every joe blow does, so why not him too. You lot can’t always have it your own way all of the time.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I’m interested in the facts of the man, not the stupid thoughts of one of his enemies. It is no loss in not reading social media; the world would be a better place if more followed this example.
Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
“Pedo guy” originated with Elon. One of the people involved in rescuing the kids from the cave in Thailand tweeted that Musk’s submarine was no use, a publicity stunt and that Musk should shove it up his arse. Musk replied implying that the reason that guy lived in Thailand was because he was a pedophile, referring to him as “Pedoguy”.
The 69420 that I included after pedoguy is an illusion to a sexual act (69) and cannabis consumption (420). Musk frequently makes jokes and business decisions based around these two meme numbers.
You accused me of being puerile, but the guy you are defending is the very definition of puerile. Such criticism, even if it was founded, does not stand here from one defending Musk.
He joked about starting a university called Texas Instituted for Technology and Science – geddit? TITS. He named Tesla car models the S, 3, X and Y – geddit? S3XY. He named his rocket company SpaceX. Geddit? Space Sex. He called Mark Zukerberg a cuck(hold) and proposed a “literal dick measuring contest” with the man. He posted a picture of Bill Gates with the caption “In case you need to lose a boner fast”.
If you aren’t aware of his recent shenanigans on social media and around Twitter in general then you are simply not informed enough about Musk to be making the comments you are here. Reading Musks biography doesn’t qualify you to comment in this space unless you are also following more recent events.
Personally I don’t care how puerile the guy is or not. Space Sex is a fantastic company doing amazing work. Tesla is a crap company but it sure did a lot to normalize and even prestige electric vehicles, which is awesome. I’ve never been a Twitter user and don’t really care what happens to it. I think the cave diver guy probably deserved a harsh (even puerile) reply for telling Musk to shove his submarine where the sun don’t shine. But there is little doubt Musk has been acting like a complete tool for months now. He is doing so very publicly. He is getting public backlash, some of which is in this thread. I’m telling you, as the guy who has defended freakin’ Martin Shkreli on this forum, Musk isn’t worthy of your effort. He is not a great man. He is a man who has done some great stuff. That’s all.
sarahs mum said:
Arts said:
sarahs mum said:
sorry.
why?
multiple posts to wrong thread.
I see..
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Google search ‘pedoguy’: BBC, CNN, The Guardian, Slate, Wired, NBC… Not ‘social media’.
But where did it originate? You surely don’t expect the business media to ignore something as juicy as this?
“Pedo guy” originated with Elon. One of the people involved in rescuing the kids from the cave in Thailand tweeted that Musk’s submarine was no use, a publicity stunt and that Musk should shove it up his arse. Musk replied implying that the reason that guy lived in Thailand was because he was a pedophile, referring to him as “Pedoguy”.
The 69420 that I included after pedoguy is an illusion to a sexual act (69) and cannabis consumption (420). Musk frequently makes jokes and business decisions based around these two meme numbers.
You accused me of being puerile, but the guy you are defending is the very definition of puerile. Such criticism, even if it was founded, does not stand here from one defending Musk.
He joked about starting a university called Texas Instituted for Technology and Science – geddit? TITS. He named Tesla car models the S, 3, X and Y – geddit? S3XY. He named his rocket company SpaceX. Geddit? Space Sex. He called Mark Zukerberg a cuck(hold) and proposed a “literal dick measuring contest” with the man. He posted a picture of Bill Gates with the caption “In case you need to lose a boner fast”.
If you aren’t aware of his recent shenanigans on social media and around Twitter in general then you are simply not informed enough about Musk to be making the comments you are here. Reading Musks biography doesn’t qualify you to comment in this space unless you are also following more recent events.
Personally I don’t care how puerile the guy is or not. Space Sex is a fantastic company doing amazing work. Tesla is a crap company but it sure did a lot to normalize and even prestige electric vehicles, which is awesome. I’ve never been a Twitter user and don’t really care what happens to it. I think the cave diver guy probably deserved a harsh (even puerile) reply for telling Musk to shove his submarine where the sun don’t shine. But there is little doubt Musk has been acting like a complete tool for months now. He is doing so very publicly. He is getting public backlash, some of which is in this thread. I’m telling you, as the guy who has defended freakin’ Martin Shkreli on this forum, Musk isn’t worthy of your effort. He is not a great man. He is a man who has done some great stuff. That’s all.
He is also in a lot of other high-tech stuff, like batteries, satellites, robots and Ai, which coupled with SpaceX and his massive electric car business and even forgetting about Xtwitter, is a hell of a lot and probably more than anyone else. Yet with this incredible background you and just about everyone else have not a good word for him. It would not be so bad, but most of the criticism is centered around his social media interests and even more about the way he is running it. Well tough, he owns it, he has his own ideas about how to run it and has the money to do so, which means if you don’t like it, then don’t use it. I don’t think he cares if his critics go somewhere else.
If his critics had to contend with the extent of the criticism and extremely malicious intent upon him, they would lack the fortitude to continue, but obviously he is made of tougher stuff and says fuck you, I do as I please and the dumb opinion of the arseholes whose main interests is pulling better people down can go and rooted. He is a self-made man and capable of living his own life rather than what those, whose only interest is social media would like him to be and if he wants to return some of the shit that is thrown at him, then good luck to him and I hope it hits them where it hurts. And to place his media image first and the deciding factor to his worth after all the things he has achieved, especially after all the incredible nastiness of the things said about him, then yes I do think you are being puerile, short-sighted and vindictive.
Ah well at least we know we’re better people than the homeless bums on our street because we buy more stuff than them.
SCIENCE said:
Ah well at least we know we’re better people than the homeless bums on our street because we buy more stuff than them.
Yet another example of your logic. You could start a cult.
Below is a summary of Elon Musk’s early years that includes the false reference to his and his family’s wealth from an emerald mind. More detail including the origins of the grossly exaggerated account of this mine, is contained in the www.snopes.com website.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/
>>He grew up in South Africa and had the good fortune of doing so in an upper-middle-class home. But that’s more or less where the good fortune ended. His parents divorced. He was bullied at school. And he had a disastrous relationship with his father. At 17, Musk decided to leave home, heading first to Canada and then the U.S. for university. “
Some of his most vocal detractors have promoted the idea that Musk, like Trump, began his career backed by the deep pockets of dear old dad. Errol Musk, an engineer, owned a small percentage of an emerald mine and had a couple of good years before the mine went bust and wiped out his investment. Musk readily jumps onto Twitter to refute the charges that his empire was forged with the aid of family wealth, and part of the reason he wanted to talk to me—rather comically given the rocket launch and, well, trolls—was because the jabs bug him, and he hopes to set the record straight. For what it’s worth, my reporting, based on conversations with hundreds of people, confirms Musk’s story. Regardless of your opinion of him, he is a self-made billionaire.
“I paid my own way through college—through student loans, scholarships, working jobs—and ended up with $100,000 of student debt,” Musk says. “I started my first company with $2,500, and I had one computer and a car that I bought for $1,400, and all that debt. It would have been great if someone was paying for my college, but my dad had neither the ability nor the inclination to do so.”<<
Elon Musk Is Totally Wrong About Population Collapse
Tesla’s outspoken CEO thinks the biggest threat facing the planet is people not having enough babies. Demographers disagree.
elon musk
Early 20th-century France faced an existential threat: Its citizens weren’t having enough babies. In 1900, the average French woman gave birth to three children throughout her lifetime while over the border in Germany women were averaging five. For decades, France’s population had hovered stubbornly at around 40 million while that of its European rivals grew larger. “It is the most significant fact in French life. In no other country in the world is the birth rate so low,” wrote American journalist Walter Weyl in 1912.
French society swung into action to avert the crisis. Pronatalist organizations sprung up, and by 1916 half of all French parliamentarians were part of a lobbying group that pushed policies aimed at raising birth rates. An annual prize was inaugurated, awarding 25,000 francs to 90 French parents who had raised nine or more children. Laws restricting abortion and contraceptives were passed, and mothers of large families were honored with medals according to how many children they had raised.
None of this shifted the trajectory of France’s falling birth rates. “Forty-one million Frenchmen face 67 million Germans and 43 million Italians,” lamented former minister Paul Reynaud in January 1937. “As far as numbers are concerned, we are beaten.” Reynaud was right, of course, but only for so long. In the decades after World War II, the French population swelled—bolstered by a baby boom and strong immigration. This postwar boom has long since worn off, but France still has the highest fertility rate of any EU country: The much-feared population collapse never came to pass.
Anxiety about falling populations, however, never went away. Now the most prominent public worrier is Elon Musk, for whom stagnating birth rates don’t just represent a crisis for specific countries, but an existential threat to the entire planet. “Assuming there is a benevolent future with AI, I think the biggest problem the world will face in 20 years is population collapse,” Musk said at an AI conference in August 2019. The issue is clearly playing on his mind. “Population collapse due to low birth rates is a much bigger risk to civilization than global warming,” he tweeted in 2022. “Mark these words.”
Demographers have marked Musk’s words—but they don’t agree with his dire predictions. “With 8 billion people and counting on the earth, we don’t see a collapse happening at present time, and it’s not even projected,” says Tomas Sobotka at the Vienna Institute of Demography. Even the most pessimistic projections put the world population in 2100 at around 8.8 billion. This is far below the UN’s more widely agreed upon estimate of 10.4 billion, but it’s still about 800 million more people than are on the planet today. Most projections agree that the world’s population is going to peak at some point in the second half of the 21st century and then plateau or gradually drop. Framing this as a collapse “is probably too dramatic,” says Patrick Gerland, chief of the United Nations’ Population Estimates and Projections Section.
According to the UN, the only region that will see an overall decline between 2022 and 2050 is eastern and southeastern Asia. Other regions tell a completely different story. The population in sub-Saharan Africa will almost double from 1.2 billion in 2022 to just under 2.1 billion in 2050. In the same period, India’s population will grow by over 250 million to overtake China’s as the largest in the world. For most of the world, population decline just isn’t something to worry about—“either now or in the foreseeable future,” Gerland says.
But what about the very distant future? Japan’s population is already declining, and the country has one of the lowest total fertility rates in the world—Japanese women average 1.3 children across their lifetime. For a population to stay constant, this number would need to be 2.1, assuming there’s no migration and that life expectancy stays roughly constant. If the fertility rate stays below 2.1 for long enough, the population number will start to fall. In Japan, we can see this happening—having peaked at 128.1 million in 2010, the country’s population slowly fell to 125.8 million over the following decade.
Samir KC, a demographer at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA) near Vienna, has looked at what would happen if the world’s total fertility rate stayed below replacement levels for the next millennium. If that total rate held at 1.84 babies per woman—the UN’s estimate of what it will be in 2100—the population would fall from 10.4 billion in 2100 to 1.97 billion in 2500 and 227 million in the year 3000. As Sobotka wrote over email, “this is not exactly a population collapse, but rather a slow-motion population decline.” And we’re talking about time scales of millennia. Fixating on global population collapse today is like someone in the year 1000 worrying about the Y2K bug.
What might happen in the next 1,000 years that could change the path of population growth? Nuclear wars, pandemics, whole new religions and family preferences, the prospect of colonizing other planets or hugely extending the human lifespan. Hilary Greaves, a professor of philosophy at the University of Oxford, says that if we really care about maximizing the number of humans on the planet, our top priority should be avoiding any risks that might wipe out humanity altogether. One thousand years is a long, long time. Assuming current population trends will hold over that period might be a big mistake.
The Joy of Smaller, Older Populations
For most of human history, our population grew at a crawl: Between 10,000 BCE and 1700 CE, the world’s population grew at a rate of just 0.04 percent annually. At one point in our prehistory, the human population might have dropped as low as a few thousand people. Even after the advent of agriculture and the rise of cities, populations would fluctuate as infectious diseases and famines came and went. But in the 19th century this trend of extremely slow growth started to reverse as the number of people surviving childhood dramatically increased. It took 124 years for the world’s population to increase from 1 billion to 2 billion between 1803 and 1927. Adding the next billion took 33 years, then 15 and then 12. To people born in the latter 20th century, fast-growing populations seem the norm.
“Our mental views are built around this view that a growing population is natural, that it’s more robust,” says David Weil, an economist at Brown University in Rhode Island. Economically speaking, there is some truth to this. Fertility rates tend to fall as countries grow in wealth and women become more educated. Countries shifting from high to low fertility rates usually go through a period when there are lots of people of working age and proportionally fewer who are very young or very old. This so-called “demographic dividend” is thought to be one of the main reasons the economies of South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore grew so quickly in the second half of the 20th century.
Sooner or later, however, the demographic dividend comes to an end. “Some day the party ends and you’re back to where you are,” says Weil. But he argues that a slowly shrinking population doesn’t spell an economic disaster. He says that with fewer very young people in a population, as well as older people having longer working lives, the ratio of dependents to working-age people will gradually start to even out, and countries with smaller populations will benefit from innovation in countries that are growing. “I’m quite good with the idea that over the next century or so we’re just going to be adding more Einsteins that are born in India or China or Nigeria, so a shrinking number of people in European countries is not going to lead to technological stagnation.”
Falling populations might even be a thing to celebrate. That’s according to Vegard Skirbekk at the Norwegian Centre for Fertility and Health. In his new book, Decline and Prosper! Changing Global Birth Rates and the Advantages of Fewer Children, he argues that a world with low birth rates could be a much nicer place to live. When you have fertility that is somewhat below replacement levels, “we can cope quite well with it,” he says. The percentage of the US workforce working in agriculture has steadily dropped over the past century, but productivity per worker has never been higher. Simply put, we can produce more with fewer working-age people today than at any time in history. With the right policies to redistribute wealth, falling populations could be a boon rather than a curse.
More Babies, Please
Many governments don’t see falling populations in such a rosy light. China’s population will probably peak this year, and after decades of restricting family sizes, the central government is encouraging its citizens to make more babies. Some cities are offering parents cash bonuses for second and third children, while others have pledged to build cheaper nurseries or cut rents for larger families.
It’s unlikely that pronatalist policies can completely turn the tide of decreasing populations. Since 1996, the Japanese government has enacted a raft of policies to try to increase family sizes, but the preference for smaller families has stubbornly remained. Samir KC, the IIASA demographer, always starts his course at Shanghai University by asking his students how many children they plan on having in their lifetime. This year, for the first time, some students responded by saying that they didn’t plan on having any at all.
Rather than simply encouraging people without children to start having babies, societies need to adapt to suit a wider range of lifestyles, says Skirbekk. There’s some evidence that societies with stronger social welfare nets and greater gender equality have higher birth rates, which might explain why Nordic women tend to have more babies on average than people in southern Europe. Expensive housing is another reason people limit their family size, even if they want more children. Countries that adopt policies to make their societies more fair and equal may bolster fertility rates while also benefiting those who don’t have children.
Meanwhile, countries like South Korea and Japan that have historically limited immigration are having to rethink their approach by allowing people to settle in areas with a dearth of workers. Immigration is also playing a role at a global level. Between 2000 and 2020, immigration to high-income countries contributed more to population growth than babies being born within their borders. In fact, the biggest population loss today isn’t happening in Asia, but in Eastern Europe, where the UN projects that a combination of high emigration and low birth rates will see populations fall by a fifth in Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, and Serbia.
Perhaps one of the real drivers behind Musk’s fear of population collapse is an unwillingness to imagine a world that looks very different from the one he grew up in. More than half of all the increase in global population up to 2050 will be concentrated in just eight countries: the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Egypt, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Tanzania. By that same year, the proportion of the global population over 65 will reach 16 percent—its highest-ever level. Some countries will be struggling to adapt to aging populations, while others will still be growing rapidly. And the world will still not have hit its peak population. If France’s turn-of-the-century population anxiety can teach us anything, it’s that it may be wiser to make a better world today than agonize over birth rates we have little control over.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/elon-musk-population-crisis
Can’t go far but don’t complain…
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
poikilotherm said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
Thus gay us a genus¡
Fuck Reuters¡
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Anyway we roll* coal* and get 1000 km on a tank so all yous fangirls can pack yousr bags and fly off somewhere else.
*: just funnin’ yous, actually we use shorter chain fuel oils
A Tesla battery goes approximately 303 to 405 miles on a full charge and is reported to last about 300,000 to 500,000 miles over its lifespan. This article will explain how ranges vary between Tesla models, why different cars have different ranges, and how many miles various Tesla batteries last.
https://news.energysage.com/how-long-do-tesla-car-batteries-last/
There are fuel range charts in the link.
Can’t go far but don’t complain…
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
Well we all remember how that’s going to go¡
Fuck CHINA¡ They make these excellent vehicles¡
dv said:
So as long as someone somewhere can block at least 2 users, it doesn’t violate the terms.
Is he okay?
dv said:
Is he okay?
Do you have concerns for his welfare?
dv said:
Is he okay?
Sitting alone in his office late at night, steadily emptying the Scotch decanter, listening to the rats scurrying through offices that used to have the daily sounds of busy employees in them (until he took over)…hardly surprising that he gets a bit glum, now is it?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Is he okay?
Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
I’m sure they he will see that they try their best to make there be at least one.
It may well not be Twitter/X, but there could be at least one.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Is he okay?
Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
Where’s the fun in that?
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
Where’s the fun in that?
For me, I’d love some of it.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:Do you have concerns for his welfare?
Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Thank you
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Kind of.
That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He could also afford to look after a lot of people.
Where’s the fun in that?
For me, I’d love some of it.
You’d be drummed out of the Billionaire’s Club, condemned to join a small, rag-tag band of those of your ilk.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:That’s a loose description for one such as yourself to utter.
Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
Surrounded by people telling them ‘no, you’re fine, it’s everyone else who has a problem’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:Well, whatever kind of help he needs, i’m sure that he can afford it.
I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
Surrounded by people telling them ‘no, you’re fine, it’s everyone else who has a problem’.
Well everyone else does have a problem when they get to leader of their country status.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:I think some ultrarich people never get the help they need because they are able to set things up so that their problems are coped with rather than going to therapy. I think Michael Jackson may have been in that category.
Surrounded by people telling them ‘no, you’re fine, it’s everyone else who has a problem’.
Well everyone else does have a problem when they get to leader of their country status.
Good observation.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Where’s the fun in that?
For me, I’d love some of it.
You’d be drummed out of the Billionaire’s Club, condemned to join a small, rag-tag band of those of your ilk.
I wouldn’t even get a look in the door.
dv said:
Is he okay?
I don’t know the person, i’ve heard of the person, seen the person on the electric rectangles, I know he’s into rocketry, space travel, and making cars, and maybe by way of some wandering enthusiasm owns a social media network, I don’t patronize social media networks myself, barely anyway
I don’t pretend to have any sort of relationship with the person, and am strongly inclined not to pretend to relationships anywhere, not anytime, to pretend is in fact evil as far as I can tell, even to pretend of a part and confuse the whole, it’s a poison, a stealthy horror that multiplies and self-obliterates evidence of its nasty ways, for more of the same
at your own risk get sucked into the vortex of whatever sustains equilibrium mental states that way, and media more broadly doesn’t deploy the ways by accident, the model, and to who might it appeal i’d ask, the ways
transition said:
dv said:
Is he okay?
I don’t know the person, i’ve heard of the person, seen the person on the electric rectangles, I know he’s into rocketry, space travel, and making cars, and maybe by way of some wandering enthusiasm owns a social media network, I don’t patronize social media networks myself, barely anyway
I don’t pretend to have any sort of relationship with the person, and am strongly inclined not to pretend to relationships anywhere, not anytime, to pretend is in fact evil as far as I can tell, even to pretend of a part and confuse the whole, it’s a poison, a stealthy horror that multiplies and self-obliterates evidence of its nasty ways, for more of the same
at your own risk get sucked into the vortex of whatever sustains equilibrium mental states that way, and media more broadly doesn’t deploy the ways by accident, the model, and to who might it appeal i’d ask, the ways
Plus just about everyone in the public eye would either themselves or through PR people portray a false persona.
it looks like an opening scene in a sci fi movie on SBS.
Ronan Farrow on the Rule of Elon Musk
How the tech billionaire built a one-man monopoly over American infrastructure and became too powerful for the U.S. government to rein in.
Some excerpts:
Last October, Colin Kahl, then the Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy at the Pentagon, sat in a hotel in Paris and prepared to make a call to avert disaster in Ukraine. A staffer handed him an iPhone—in part to avoid inviting an onslaught of late-night texts and colorful emojis on Kahl’s own phone. Kahl had returned to his room, with its heavy drapery and distant view of the Eiffel Tower, after a day of meetings with officials from the United Kingdom, France, and Germany. A senior defense official told me that Kahl was surprised by whom he was about to contact: “He was, like, ‘Why am I calling Elon Musk?’ ”
The reason soon became apparent. “Even though Musk is not technically a diplomat or statesman, I felt it was important to treat him as such, given the influence he had on this issue,” Kahl told me. SpaceX, Musk’s space-exploration company, had for months been providing Internet access across Ukraine, allowing the country’s forces to plan attacks and to defend themselves. But, in recent days, the forces had found their connectivity severed as they entered territory contested by Russia.
The meddling of oligarchs and other monied interests in the fate of nations is not new. During the First World War, J. P. Morgan lent vast sums to the Allied powers; afterward, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., poured money into the fledgling League of Nations. The investor George Soros’s Open Society Foundations underwrote civil-society reform in post-Soviet Europe, and the casino mogul Sheldon Adelson funded right-wing media in Israel, as part of his support of Benjamin Netanyahu.But Musk’s influence is more brazen and expansive. There is little precedent for a civilian’s becoming the arbiter of a war between nations in such a granular way, or for the degree of dependency that the U.S. now has on Musk in a variety of fields, from the future of energy and transportation to the exploration of space. SpaceX is currently the sole means by which nasa transports crew from U.S. soil into space, a situation that will persist for at least another year. The government’s plan to move the auto industry toward electric cars requires increasing access to charging stations along America’s highways. But this rests on the actions of another Musk enterprise, Tesla. The automaker has seeded so much of the country with its proprietary charging stations that the Biden Administration relaxed an early push for a universal charging standard disliked by Musk. His stations are eligible for billions of dollars in subsidies, so long as Tesla makes them compatible with the other charging standard.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule
dv said:
Ronan Farrow on the Rule of Elon Musk
How the tech billionaire built a one-man monopoly over American infrastructure and became too powerful for the U.S. government to rein in.Some excerpts:
Last October, Colin Kahl, then the Under-Secretary of Defense for Policy at the Pentagon, sat in a hotel in Paris and prepared to make a call to avert disaster in Ukraine. A staffer handed him an iPhone—in part to avoid inviting an onslaught of late-night texts and colorful emojis on Kahl’s own phone. Kahl had returned to his room, with its heavy drapery and distant view of the Eiffel Tower, after a day of meetings with officials from the United Kingdom, France, and Germany. A senior defense official told me that Kahl was surprised by whom he was about to contact: “He was, like, ‘Why am I calling Elon Musk?’ ”
The reason soon became apparent. “Even though Musk is not technically a diplomat or statesman, I felt it was important to treat him as such, given the influence he had on this issue,” Kahl told me. SpaceX, Musk’s space-exploration company, had for months been providing Internet access across Ukraine, allowing the country’s forces to plan attacks and to defend themselves. But, in recent days, the forces had found their connectivity severed as they entered territory contested by Russia.
The meddling of oligarchs and other monied interests in the fate of nations is not new. During the First World War, J. P. Morgan lent vast sums to the Allied powers; afterward, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., poured money into the fledgling League of Nations. The investor George Soros’s Open Society Foundations underwrote civil-society reform in post-Soviet Europe, and the casino mogul Sheldon Adelson funded right-wing media in Israel, as part of his support of Benjamin Netanyahu.But Musk’s influence is more brazen and expansive. There is little precedent for a civilian’s becoming the arbiter of a war between nations in such a granular way, or for the degree of dependency that the U.S. now has on Musk in a variety of fields, from the future of energy and transportation to the exploration of space. SpaceX is currently the sole means by which nasa transports crew from U.S. soil into space, a situation that will persist for at least another year. The government’s plan to move the auto industry toward electric cars requires increasing access to charging stations along America’s highways. But this rests on the actions of another Musk enterprise, Tesla. The automaker has seeded so much of the country with its proprietary charging stations that the Biden Administration relaxed an early push for a universal charging standard disliked by Musk. His stations are eligible for billions of dollars in subsidies, so long as Tesla makes them compatible with the other charging standard.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule
Ronan Farrow’s new report alleges ‘set of warnings about Elon Musk’ some close to him are sounding
MSNBC interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXfzU6tS-b4
I suppose everyone’s wondered why you’d rebrand the uniquely named Twitter to the generic-as-possible X.
But Meta also seems to have messed this up. Threads is a terrible social media name. It’s not something you can search reasonably because “threads” is already a common social media term. It’s like calling your IT firm Computers.
and the fact that the word tweet is actually a word that entered into the dictionary with branding .. and he went and fucked it up
1. : chirp. 2. : to post a message to the Twitter online message service.
Tweet Definition & Meaning – Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › tweet
Musk does seem to have an infatuation with the letter X.
Michael V said:
Musk does seem to have an infatuation with the letter X.
It is a Musk brand symbol. It ties his businesses together.
Michael V said:
Musk does seem to have an infatuation with the letter X.
He’s a xpletive xpletive xpletive wastrel.
Arts said:
and the fact that the word tweet is actually a word that entered into the dictionary with branding .. and he went and fucked it up1. : chirp. 2. : to post a message to the Twitter online message service.
Tweet Definition & Meaning – Merriam-Webster
Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › tweet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNSTerj2Kc
Elon Musk ordered Starlink to be turned off during Ukraine offensive, book says
Elon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography
dv said:
Elon Musk ordered Starlink to be turned off during Ukraine offensive, book saysElon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography
Mung bean.
Michael V said:
dv said:That’s a more polite term than I would’ve used.Elon Musk ordered Starlink to be turned off during Ukraine offensive, book saysMung bean.Elon Musk ordered his Starlink satellite communications network to be turned off near the Crimean coast last year to hobble a Ukrainian drone attack on Russian warships, according to a new biography.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”
“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
The answer is the same as it always has been, and always will be: money.
If not money in the hand/bank right now, then the prospect/promise of making money in the future.
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
captain_spalding said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
The answer is the same as it always has been, and always will be: money.
If not money in the hand/bank right now, then the prospect/promise of making money in the future.
It is wilful murder.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
I’m not going that far. Just that the US govt should take over the effective day to day administration of the service, and direct who does and who does not get access to it. Elon would still own the assets, it is not even a full nationalisation.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
I’m not going that far. Just that the US govt should take over the effective day to day administration of the service, and direct who does and who does not get access to it. Elon would still own the assets, it is not even a full nationalisation.
Yes that is the part that makes sense.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
“Elon intervened on Russia’s behalf in the war. At this pt it doesn’t matter why: whether he’s in Putin’s pocket by conscious choice or just irretrievably, dangerously ignorant & arrogant, his actions make him an effective RU asset. His ability to intervene again must be contained”“Sometimes a mistake is much more than just a mistake. By not allowing Ukrainian drones to destroy part of the Russian military (!) fleet via #Starlink interference, @elonmusk allowed this fleet to fire Kalibr missiles at Ukrainian cities. As a result, civilians, children are being killed. This is the price of a cocktail of ignorance and big ego. However, the question still remains: why do some people so desperately want to defend war criminals and their desire to commit murder? And do they now realize that they are committing evil and encouraging evil?”
I think it is time for the US govt to seize control of the operations of STarlink for the duration of the war, on national security grounds.
Makes sense. Should chuck the bastard in the clink.
after a damn good public flogging.
On second thoughts, maybe hit him in the hip pocket where it hurts most.
Maybe the EU could jump in here. Declare that Elon is giving comfort to Russia, and therefore extend some form of the economic sanctions against his companies. I’m looking at Tesla Motors mainly. I am sure the European auto manufacturers would gleefully support any restrictions on importing Tesla cars. The company share price would tank, and Elon would find himself in a spot of financial difficulty seeing as it is his Tesla shares that are collateral for the loans he took out to buy Twitter.
party_pants said:
On second thoughts, maybe hit him in the hip pocket where it hurts most.Maybe the EU could jump in here. Declare that Elon is giving comfort to Russia, and therefore extend some form of the economic sanctions against his companies. I’m looking at Tesla Motors mainly. I am sure the European auto manufacturers would gleefully support any restrictions on importing Tesla cars. The company share price would tank, and Elon would find himself in a spot of financial difficulty seeing as it is his Tesla shares that are collateral for the loans he took out to buy Twitter.
Sanctions. Yes. :)
party_pants said:
On second thoughts, maybe hit him in the hip pocket where it hurts most.Maybe the EU could jump in here. Declare that Elon is giving comfort to Russia, and therefore extend some form of the economic sanctions against his companies. I’m looking at Tesla Motors mainly. I am sure the European auto manufacturers would gleefully support any restrictions on importing Tesla cars. The company share price would tank, and Elon would find himself in a spot of financial difficulty seeing as it is his Tesla shares that are collateral for the loans he took out to buy Twitter.
Good thinking 99.
Bogsnorkler said:
He landed a car on the sun.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
He landed a car on the sun.
yeah, at night though…
Elon Musk has his demons. Walter Isaacson does his best to dissect them.
Isaacson’s new biography, ‘Elon Musk,’ attempts to reconcile the tech billionaire’s flaws with his achievements
Review by Will Oremus
September 10, 2023 at 8:23 a.m. EDT
If you were trying to reverse-engineer from Elon Musk’s life a blueprint for creating the sort of tech icon who, at 52 years old, merits a 688-page biography by Walter Isaacson, the resulting plans would be fairly straightforward — just rather hard to execute.
Take a bright, exceedingly headstrong, socially maladjusted young boy and forge his character in an abusive, friendless childhood. For solace, give him only science fiction novels, superhero comics and a cadre of younger siblings and cousins to boss around, imbuing him with delusions of grandeur and a taste for unchecked power.
If he survives that, send him to Silicon Valley during the dot-com boom. Give him a relentless work ethic, an addiction to risk and a moral compass that puts his own interests at its magnetic north pole. Add a keen eye for brilliant engineering minds he can mine for ideas and push to achieve the seemingly impossible, while he hogs the profits and credit. And then hope that he gets very lucky at pivotal moments along the way, so that his compulsive risk-taking doesn’t blow up in his face, even when his rockets do.
The traits that conspired to make Musk the world’s richest man were all in evidence when Isaacson decided in 2021 to make him the subject of his next biography. “Elon Musk,” being published on Tuesday, must have seemed a natural extension of Isaacson’s “great man” canon, which includes biographies of Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and Steve Jobs. (Isaacson’s subjects are almost, though not quite, all men.)
But Einstein, Franklin and Jobs were all dead by the time Isaacson’s biographies hit bookstores (albeit by just weeks in Jobs’s case), whereas Musk — CEO of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of X (formerly Twitter) — remains very alive. In the past two years, Musk’s public image has morphed from that of the hard-charging high-tech visionary who inspired Robert Downey Jr.’s portrayal of Tony Stark in “Iron Man” into something more disturbing and polarizing.
How do you take the full measure of an increasingly troubled figure whose life’s work and legacy still hang in the balance? At stake is not just Musk’s place in history, but also his place in the present and future. If Isaacson fails to pin that down in a satisfying way, it might be because Musk is such a fast-moving target, and Isaacson prioritized revealing anecdotes and behind-the-scenes reportage over a sophisticated critical lens.
Fortunately, the juicy details are plentiful, especially in the book’s final third, which covers the two especially volatile years Isaacson spent shadowing Musk. (There are wild capers and personal dramas worthy of a soap opera throughout, but most of the ones you’ll encounter earlier in the book have been well documented before now, including in Ashlee Vance’s thorough 2015 Musk biography.)
New details include that Musk single-handedly scuttled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea (more on that below). We learn that Musk’s girlfriend Grimes was in an Austin hospital visiting a surrogate pregnant with their then-secret second child in 2021 at the same time Musk’s employee Shivon Zilis was in the same hospital pregnant with then-secret twins fathered by Musk via IVF, unbeknownst to Grimes. (“Perhaps it is no surprise,” Isaacson deadpans, “that Musk decided to fly west that Thanksgiving weekend to deal with the simpler issues of rocket engineering.”) And we discover that Musk and Grimes have a third, previously unreported child, named Techno Mechanicus Musk, bringing Musk’s tally of known offspring to 11.
This being an Isaacson biography, though, it’s clear he intends for “Elon Musk” to be more than a bunch of interesting stories about a controversial guy. He frames it as a character study, a quest to understand and perhaps reconcile the contradictions at Musk’s core. But the central question he sets out to answer in the book’s prologue feels a bit too easy. It’s the same one that lay at the heart of “Steve Jobs”: Are Musk’s personal demons and flaws also what make his spectacular achievements possible? Seven pages in, there are no prizes for guessing what Isaacson’s answer will be. Though the destination lacks suspense, the ride is entertaining enough, particularly for those who haven’t closely followed Musk’s high jinks. And despite the book’s length, it zips along thanks to Isaacson’s economical prose and short chapters.
Musk, who at age 5 traipsed solo across Pretoria to reach a cousin’s birthday party after his parents left him home as a punishment, has always had a little crazy in him. To help explain it, Isaacson introduces us early on to Elon’s brutal, “Jekyll-and-Hyde” father, Errol Musk. He’s a man Elon mostly despises, but also, in his worst moments, resembles. When Musk’s first wife, Justine, reached her wit’s end with him, she would warn: “You’re turning into your father.”
Elon’s childhood in South Africa reads like the origin story for a superhero, or maybe a supervillain, at least as he and his family members tell it. That may be by design: Musk has a penchant for self-mythologizing, casting himself as the sole hero of complex origin stories like that of Tesla’s founding.
Already, one of the book’s critical passages has sparked geopolitical drama — and an embarrassing public walk-back by Isaacson. In an excerpt from the book published in The Washington Post on Friday, Isaacson recounts how Musk single-handedly foiled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea by cutting off the Starlink satellite internet service Ukraine’s drones were relying on. Isaacson writes that Musk made the decision because he feared the attack could lead to nuclear war, based on his conversation weeks earlier with a Russian ambassador.
But when CNN obtained the excerpt and reported on it, Musk tweeted a different account. He said he didn’t cut Ukraine’s Starlink service in Crimea; it was already deactivated there, and he refused the Ukrainians’ emergency request to activate it so they could carry out the attack. Isaacson tweeted Friday that Musk’s version of the story was accurate, meaning the passage in his book is misleading.
The larger concern is whether Isaacson’s heavy reliance on Musk as a primary source throughout his reporting kept him too close to his subject. Swaths of the book are told largely through Musk’s eyes and those of his confidants. And the majority of tales about his exploits cast him as the genius protagonist even as they expose his self-destructive tendencies or his capacity for cruelty.
To his credit, the book boasts a large number of citations for sources and interviews. Isaacson also takes care to include corroborating or conflicting accounts of controversial episodes, such as Musk’s vicious grudge against Tesla’s original founders. (If you ever want make an enemy for life, try standing between Musk and full credit for a project he was involved in.) And, contrary to some of his most adamant critics, Musk really does seem to possess a remarkable brain for physics, engineering and business — if perhaps not for running a social media firm. Isaacson persuasively dismisses the notion that Musk owes his success largely to inherited wealth, or that he’s a huckster profiting only from the inventions of others. Musk’s companies have thrived both because of and in spite of him.
Isaacson at times interjects his own, sometimes dryly funny, counterpoints to some of Musk’s more outlandish claims. After he quotes Musk enthusing about his far-fetched Hyperloop plan, “This is going to change everything,” Isaacson begins the next paragraph: “It didn’t change everything.” (What it did change, by some reckonings, were California’s plans to build a high-speed rail line, which Musk has acknowledged he sought to undermine.)
In one of his most entertaining and revealing bits of original reporting, Isaacson fills in the backstory behind a series of technical glitches that plagued Twitter in late 2022 and early 2023, and it does not disappoint.
Steamrolling past Twitter employees’ warnings, Musk insisted on immediately moving thousands of the company’s computer servers from a Sacramento data center to another facility to save money. When they balked, insisting it would take months to do safely, Musk dragooned a carful of friends and family into canceling their Christmas plans to drive to Sacramento, where he personally disconnected one of the servers with the help of a security guard’s pocket knife. He then called in a team of employees to start loading the rest onto a semi truck and some moving vans.
On many occasions over the years, Musk has horrified deputies with these sorts of stunts, only to be vindicated when they pay off handsomely. But in this case it turned out the employees, whom he had threatened to fire for their timidity, had been right. The move caused cascading glitches in Twitter’s software, including the ones that afflicted a highly anticipated live audio event with presidential candidate Ron DeSantis the following May.
The Musk we know today is a different one than the Musk who Isaacson began following in 2021. Since then, he has lurched rightward politically, embracing conspiracies and railing that the “woke mind virus” could unravel civilization; staged a dramatic takeover of Twitter, restoring banned accounts including Donald Trump’s while alienating advertisers and the mainstream media; been accused of sexual misdeeds and revealed as the secret father of multiple additional children; founded a new AI company; and become a power broker in both the Ukraine war and Republican politics. And that’s leaving out a lot.
Isaacson pins the changes at least partly on the pandemic, which drew out Musk’s conspiratorial side, supercharged his Twitter addiction, and amped up his natural mistrust of bureaucratic regulations as covid-19 restrictions hampered Tesla production in California and China. In some ways, as Isaacson points out, Musk is becoming more like his father, Errol, whom Isaacson has found in recent years to be descending into full-on paranoia, conspiracism and overt racism.
So what does Isaacson ultimately make of Elon? In a brief, final assessment, Isaacson takes us back to where he started. The tech tycoon’s “epic feats” don’t excuse his “bad behavior,” but “it’s important to understand how the strands are woven together, sometimes tightly.”
A harder, but more fruitful question than how to reconcile Musk’s idealism and remarkable achievements with his “demon mode,” as Grimes calls it, might have been: What does it say about our world today that so much depends on a man like Musk? That the fate of electric vehicles, self-driving cars, public infrastructure projects, global space exploration, the rules of online discourse, and the life and death of military combatants can be altered at the whim of a notoriously whimsical man? And if he ever does go full Errol, will there be anything we can do about it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/10/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-biography-review/?
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
Psychologists who i used to work with considered dipshit names that parents gave to kids to be valid, even important’ ‘diagnostic factors’.
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
For a rich person it’s cool for a poor person its trash
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
Psychologists who i used to work with considered dipshit names that parents gave to kids to be valid, even important’ ‘diagnostic factors’.
Yes the parents are bogans probably criminal or neglectful and the kids end up the same.
I see if here at the courts, stupid names for offenders
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
The ‘chno’ in Techno is pronounced ‘x’. :)
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
Psychologists who i used to work with considered dipshit names that parents gave to kids to be valid, even important’ ‘diagnostic factors’.
Yes the parents are bogans probably criminal or neglectful and the kids end up the same.
I see if here at the courts, stupid names for offenders
“My son is always getting bullied at school.”
“And you christened your son…?”
“Binky.”
“Hmmm…”
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
Did he have a kid called Malcolm?
https://www.facebook.com/reel/2048995688774433?mibextid=BhObA4
Cats in a fish tank
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
So yeah, biologists have discovered a previously unknown child of Elon Musk called Techno Mechanicus, not even a joke.
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
The ‘chno’ in Techno is pronounced ‘x’. :)
Tex Mex?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk has his demons. Walter Isaacson does his best to dissect them.
Isaacson’s new biography, ‘Elon Musk,’ attempts to reconcile the tech billionaire’s flaws with his achievementsReview by Will Oremus
September 10, 2023 at 8:23 a.m. EDTIf you were trying to reverse-engineer from Elon Musk’s life a blueprint for creating the sort of tech icon who, at 52 years old, merits a 688-page biography by Walter Isaacson, the resulting plans would be fairly straightforward — just rather hard to execute.
Take a bright, exceedingly headstrong, socially maladjusted young boy and forge his character in an abusive, friendless childhood. For solace, give him only science fiction novels, superhero comics and a cadre of younger siblings and cousins to boss around, imbuing him with delusions of grandeur and a taste for unchecked power.
If he survives that, send him to Silicon Valley during the dot-com boom. Give him a relentless work ethic, an addiction to risk and a moral compass that puts his own interests at its magnetic north pole. Add a keen eye for brilliant engineering minds he can mine for ideas and push to achieve the seemingly impossible, while he hogs the profits and credit. And then hope that he gets very lucky at pivotal moments along the way, so that his compulsive risk-taking doesn’t blow up in his face, even when his rockets do.
The traits that conspired to make Musk the world’s richest man were all in evidence when Isaacson decided in 2021 to make him the subject of his next biography. “Elon Musk,” being published on Tuesday, must have seemed a natural extension of Isaacson’s “great man” canon, which includes biographies of Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and Steve Jobs. (Isaacson’s subjects are almost, though not quite, all men.)
But Einstein, Franklin and Jobs were all dead by the time Isaacson’s biographies hit bookstores (albeit by just weeks in Jobs’s case), whereas Musk — CEO of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of X (formerly Twitter) — remains very alive. In the past two years, Musk’s public image has morphed from that of the hard-charging high-tech visionary who inspired Robert Downey Jr.’s portrayal of Tony Stark in “Iron Man” into something more disturbing and polarizing.
How do you take the full measure of an increasingly troubled figure whose life’s work and legacy still hang in the balance? At stake is not just Musk’s place in history, but also his place in the present and future. If Isaacson fails to pin that down in a satisfying way, it might be because Musk is such a fast-moving target, and Isaacson prioritized revealing anecdotes and behind-the-scenes reportage over a sophisticated critical lens.
Fortunately, the juicy details are plentiful, especially in the book’s final third, which covers the two especially volatile years Isaacson spent shadowing Musk. (There are wild capers and personal dramas worthy of a soap opera throughout, but most of the ones you’ll encounter earlier in the book have been well documented before now, including in Ashlee Vance’s thorough 2015 Musk biography.)
New details include that Musk single-handedly scuttled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea (more on that below). We learn that Musk’s girlfriend Grimes was in an Austin hospital visiting a surrogate pregnant with their then-secret second child in 2021 at the same time Musk’s employee Shivon Zilis was in the same hospital pregnant with then-secret twins fathered by Musk via IVF, unbeknownst to Grimes. (“Perhaps it is no surprise,” Isaacson deadpans, “that Musk decided to fly west that Thanksgiving weekend to deal with the simpler issues of rocket engineering.”) And we discover that Musk and Grimes have a third, previously unreported child, named Techno Mechanicus Musk, bringing Musk’s tally of known offspring to 11.
This being an Isaacson biography, though, it’s clear he intends for “Elon Musk” to be more than a bunch of interesting stories about a controversial guy. He frames it as a character study, a quest to understand and perhaps reconcile the contradictions at Musk’s core. But the central question he sets out to answer in the book’s prologue feels a bit too easy. It’s the same one that lay at the heart of “Steve Jobs”: Are Musk’s personal demons and flaws also what make his spectacular achievements possible? Seven pages in, there are no prizes for guessing what Isaacson’s answer will be. Though the destination lacks suspense, the ride is entertaining enough, particularly for those who haven’t closely followed Musk’s high jinks. And despite the book’s length, it zips along thanks to Isaacson’s economical prose and short chapters.
Musk, who at age 5 traipsed solo across Pretoria to reach a cousin’s birthday party after his parents left him home as a punishment, has always had a little crazy in him. To help explain it, Isaacson introduces us early on to Elon’s brutal, “Jekyll-and-Hyde” father, Errol Musk. He’s a man Elon mostly despises, but also, in his worst moments, resembles. When Musk’s first wife, Justine, reached her wit’s end with him, she would warn: “You’re turning into your father.”
Elon’s childhood in South Africa reads like the origin story for a superhero, or maybe a supervillain, at least as he and his family members tell it. That may be by design: Musk has a penchant for self-mythologizing, casting himself as the sole hero of complex origin stories like that of Tesla’s founding.
Already, one of the book’s critical passages has sparked geopolitical drama — and an embarrassing public walk-back by Isaacson. In an excerpt from the book published in The Washington Post on Friday, Isaacson recounts how Musk single-handedly foiled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea by cutting off the Starlink satellite internet service Ukraine’s drones were relying on. Isaacson writes that Musk made the decision because he feared the attack could lead to nuclear war, based on his conversation weeks earlier with a Russian ambassador.
But when CNN obtained the excerpt and reported on it, Musk tweeted a different account. He said he didn’t cut Ukraine’s Starlink service in Crimea; it was already deactivated there, and he refused the Ukrainians’ emergency request to activate it so they could carry out the attack. Isaacson tweeted Friday that Musk’s version of the story was accurate, meaning the passage in his book is misleading.
The larger concern is whether Isaacson’s heavy reliance on Musk as a primary source throughout his reporting kept him too close to his subject. Swaths of the book are told largely through Musk’s eyes and those of his confidants. And the majority of tales about his exploits cast him as the genius protagonist even as they expose his self-destructive tendencies or his capacity for cruelty.
To his credit, the book boasts a large number of citations for sources and interviews. Isaacson also takes care to include corroborating or conflicting accounts of controversial episodes, such as Musk’s vicious grudge against Tesla’s original founders. (If you ever want make an enemy for life, try standing between Musk and full credit for a project he was involved in.) And, contrary to some of his most adamant critics, Musk really does seem to possess a remarkable brain for physics, engineering and business — if perhaps not for running a social media firm. Isaacson persuasively dismisses the notion that Musk owes his success largely to inherited wealth, or that he’s a huckster profiting only from the inventions of others. Musk’s companies have thrived both because of and in spite of him.
Isaacson at times interjects his own, sometimes dryly funny, counterpoints to some of Musk’s more outlandish claims. After he quotes Musk enthusing about his far-fetched Hyperloop plan, “This is going to change everything,” Isaacson begins the next paragraph: “It didn’t change everything.” (What it did change, by some reckonings, were California’s plans to build a high-speed rail line, which Musk has acknowledged he sought to undermine.)
In one of his most entertaining and revealing bits of original reporting, Isaacson fills in the backstory behind a series of technical glitches that plagued Twitter in late 2022 and early 2023, and it does not disappoint.
Steamrolling past Twitter employees’ warnings, Musk insisted on immediately moving thousands of the company’s computer servers from a Sacramento data center to another facility to save money. When they balked, insisting it would take months to do safely, Musk dragooned a carful of friends and family into canceling their Christmas plans to drive to Sacramento, where he personally disconnected one of the servers with the help of a security guard’s pocket knife. He then called in a team of employees to start loading the rest onto a semi truck and some moving vans.
On many occasions over the years, Musk has horrified deputies with these sorts of stunts, only to be vindicated when they pay off handsomely. But in this case it turned out the employees, whom he had threatened to fire for their timidity, had been right. The move caused cascading glitches in Twitter’s software, including the ones that afflicted a highly anticipated live audio event with presidential candidate Ron DeSantis the following May.
The Musk we know today is a different one than the Musk who Isaacson began following in 2021. Since then, he has lurched rightward politically, embracing conspiracies and railing that the “woke mind virus” could unravel civilization; staged a dramatic takeover of Twitter, restoring banned accounts including Donald Trump’s while alienating advertisers and the mainstream media; been accused of sexual misdeeds and revealed as the secret father of multiple additional children; founded a new AI company; and become a power broker in both the Ukraine war and Republican politics. And that’s leaving out a lot.
Isaacson pins the changes at least partly on the pandemic, which drew out Musk’s conspiratorial side, supercharged his Twitter addiction, and amped up his natural mistrust of bureaucratic regulations as covid-19 restrictions hampered Tesla production in California and China. In some ways, as Isaacson points out, Musk is becoming more like his father, Errol, whom Isaacson has found in recent years to be descending into full-on paranoia, conspiracism and overt racism.
So what does Isaacson ultimately make of Elon? In a brief, final assessment, Isaacson takes us back to where he started. The tech tycoon’s “epic feats” don’t excuse his “bad behavior,” but “it’s important to understand how the strands are woven together, sometimes tightly.”
A harder, but more fruitful question than how to reconcile Musk’s idealism and remarkable achievements with his “demon mode,” as Grimes calls it, might have been: What does it say about our world today that so much depends on a man like Musk? That the fate of electric vehicles, self-driving cars, public infrastructure projects, global space exploration, the rules of online discourse, and the life and death of military combatants can be altered at the whim of a notoriously whimsical man? And if he ever does go full Errol, will there be anything we can do about it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/10/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-biography-review/?
The last paragraph says it all.
Somewhere PF is crying
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
So, that’s two children that don’t have an x in their name.
The ‘chno’ in Techno is pronounced ‘x’. :)
Tex Mex?
cache
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
Elon was dissed
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
Elon was dissed
I’m teasing
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Elon Musk has his demons. Walter Isaacson does his best to dissect them.
Isaacson’s new biography, ‘Elon Musk,’ attempts to reconcile the tech billionaire’s flaws with his achievementsReview by Will Oremus
September 10, 2023 at 8:23 a.m. EDTIf you were trying to reverse-engineer from Elon Musk’s life a blueprint for creating the sort of tech icon who, at 52 years old, merits a 688-page biography by Walter Isaacson, the resulting plans would be fairly straightforward — just rather hard to execute.
Take a bright, exceedingly headstrong, socially maladjusted young boy and forge his character in an abusive, friendless childhood. For solace, give him only science fiction novels, superhero comics and a cadre of younger siblings and cousins to boss around, imbuing him with delusions of grandeur and a taste for unchecked power.
If he survives that, send him to Silicon Valley during the dot-com boom. Give him a relentless work ethic, an addiction to risk and a moral compass that puts his own interests at its magnetic north pole. Add a keen eye for brilliant engineering minds he can mine for ideas and push to achieve the seemingly impossible, while he hogs the profits and credit. And then hope that he gets very lucky at pivotal moments along the way, so that his compulsive risk-taking doesn’t blow up in his face, even when his rockets do.
The traits that conspired to make Musk the world’s richest man were all in evidence when Isaacson decided in 2021 to make him the subject of his next biography. “Elon Musk,” being published on Tuesday, must have seemed a natural extension of Isaacson’s “great man” canon, which includes biographies of Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin and Steve Jobs. (Isaacson’s subjects are almost, though not quite, all men.)
But Einstein, Franklin and Jobs were all dead by the time Isaacson’s biographies hit bookstores (albeit by just weeks in Jobs’s case), whereas Musk — CEO of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of X (formerly Twitter) — remains very alive. In the past two years, Musk’s public image has morphed from that of the hard-charging high-tech visionary who inspired Robert Downey Jr.’s portrayal of Tony Stark in “Iron Man” into something more disturbing and polarizing.
How do you take the full measure of an increasingly troubled figure whose life’s work and legacy still hang in the balance? At stake is not just Musk’s place in history, but also his place in the present and future. If Isaacson fails to pin that down in a satisfying way, it might be because Musk is such a fast-moving target, and Isaacson prioritized revealing anecdotes and behind-the-scenes reportage over a sophisticated critical lens.
Fortunately, the juicy details are plentiful, especially in the book’s final third, which covers the two especially volatile years Isaacson spent shadowing Musk. (There are wild capers and personal dramas worthy of a soap opera throughout, but most of the ones you’ll encounter earlier in the book have been well documented before now, including in Ashlee Vance’s thorough 2015 Musk biography.)
New details include that Musk single-handedly scuttled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea (more on that below). We learn that Musk’s girlfriend Grimes was in an Austin hospital visiting a surrogate pregnant with their then-secret second child in 2021 at the same time Musk’s employee Shivon Zilis was in the same hospital pregnant with then-secret twins fathered by Musk via IVF, unbeknownst to Grimes. (“Perhaps it is no surprise,” Isaacson deadpans, “that Musk decided to fly west that Thanksgiving weekend to deal with the simpler issues of rocket engineering.”) And we discover that Musk and Grimes have a third, previously unreported child, named Techno Mechanicus Musk, bringing Musk’s tally of known offspring to 11.
This being an Isaacson biography, though, it’s clear he intends for “Elon Musk” to be more than a bunch of interesting stories about a controversial guy. He frames it as a character study, a quest to understand and perhaps reconcile the contradictions at Musk’s core. But the central question he sets out to answer in the book’s prologue feels a bit too easy. It’s the same one that lay at the heart of “Steve Jobs”: Are Musk’s personal demons and flaws also what make his spectacular achievements possible? Seven pages in, there are no prizes for guessing what Isaacson’s answer will be. Though the destination lacks suspense, the ride is entertaining enough, particularly for those who haven’t closely followed Musk’s high jinks. And despite the book’s length, it zips along thanks to Isaacson’s economical prose and short chapters.
Musk, who at age 5 traipsed solo across Pretoria to reach a cousin’s birthday party after his parents left him home as a punishment, has always had a little crazy in him. To help explain it, Isaacson introduces us early on to Elon’s brutal, “Jekyll-and-Hyde” father, Errol Musk. He’s a man Elon mostly despises, but also, in his worst moments, resembles. When Musk’s first wife, Justine, reached her wit’s end with him, she would warn: “You’re turning into your father.”
Elon’s childhood in South Africa reads like the origin story for a superhero, or maybe a supervillain, at least as he and his family members tell it. That may be by design: Musk has a penchant for self-mythologizing, casting himself as the sole hero of complex origin stories like that of Tesla’s founding.
Already, one of the book’s critical passages has sparked geopolitical drama — and an embarrassing public walk-back by Isaacson. In an excerpt from the book published in The Washington Post on Friday, Isaacson recounts how Musk single-handedly foiled a Ukrainian sneak attack on a Russian naval fleet in Crimea by cutting off the Starlink satellite internet service Ukraine’s drones were relying on. Isaacson writes that Musk made the decision because he feared the attack could lead to nuclear war, based on his conversation weeks earlier with a Russian ambassador.
But when CNN obtained the excerpt and reported on it, Musk tweeted a different account. He said he didn’t cut Ukraine’s Starlink service in Crimea; it was already deactivated there, and he refused the Ukrainians’ emergency request to activate it so they could carry out the attack. Isaacson tweeted Friday that Musk’s version of the story was accurate, meaning the passage in his book is misleading.
The larger concern is whether Isaacson’s heavy reliance on Musk as a primary source throughout his reporting kept him too close to his subject. Swaths of the book are told largely through Musk’s eyes and those of his confidants. And the majority of tales about his exploits cast him as the genius protagonist even as they expose his self-destructive tendencies or his capacity for cruelty.
To his credit, the book boasts a large number of citations for sources and interviews. Isaacson also takes care to include corroborating or conflicting accounts of controversial episodes, such as Musk’s vicious grudge against Tesla’s original founders. (If you ever want make an enemy for life, try standing between Musk and full credit for a project he was involved in.) And, contrary to some of his most adamant critics, Musk really does seem to possess a remarkable brain for physics, engineering and business — if perhaps not for running a social media firm. Isaacson persuasively dismisses the notion that Musk owes his success largely to inherited wealth, or that he’s a huckster profiting only from the inventions of others. Musk’s companies have thrived both because of and in spite of him.
Isaacson at times interjects his own, sometimes dryly funny, counterpoints to some of Musk’s more outlandish claims. After he quotes Musk enthusing about his far-fetched Hyperloop plan, “This is going to change everything,” Isaacson begins the next paragraph: “It didn’t change everything.” (What it did change, by some reckonings, were California’s plans to build a high-speed rail line, which Musk has acknowledged he sought to undermine.)
In one of his most entertaining and revealing bits of original reporting, Isaacson fills in the backstory behind a series of technical glitches that plagued Twitter in late 2022 and early 2023, and it does not disappoint.
Steamrolling past Twitter employees’ warnings, Musk insisted on immediately moving thousands of the company’s computer servers from a Sacramento data center to another facility to save money. When they balked, insisting it would take months to do safely, Musk dragooned a carful of friends and family into canceling their Christmas plans to drive to Sacramento, where he personally disconnected one of the servers with the help of a security guard’s pocket knife. He then called in a team of employees to start loading the rest onto a semi truck and some moving vans.
On many occasions over the years, Musk has horrified deputies with these sorts of stunts, only to be vindicated when they pay off handsomely. But in this case it turned out the employees, whom he had threatened to fire for their timidity, had been right. The move caused cascading glitches in Twitter’s software, including the ones that afflicted a highly anticipated live audio event with presidential candidate Ron DeSantis the following May.
The Musk we know today is a different one than the Musk who Isaacson began following in 2021. Since then, he has lurched rightward politically, embracing conspiracies and railing that the “woke mind virus” could unravel civilization; staged a dramatic takeover of Twitter, restoring banned accounts including Donald Trump’s while alienating advertisers and the mainstream media; been accused of sexual misdeeds and revealed as the secret father of multiple additional children; founded a new AI company; and become a power broker in both the Ukraine war and Republican politics. And that’s leaving out a lot.
Isaacson pins the changes at least partly on the pandemic, which drew out Musk’s conspiratorial side, supercharged his Twitter addiction, and amped up his natural mistrust of bureaucratic regulations as covid-19 restrictions hampered Tesla production in California and China. In some ways, as Isaacson points out, Musk is becoming more like his father, Errol, whom Isaacson has found in recent years to be descending into full-on paranoia, conspiracism and overt racism.
So what does Isaacson ultimately make of Elon? In a brief, final assessment, Isaacson takes us back to where he started. The tech tycoon’s “epic feats” don’t excuse his “bad behavior,” but “it’s important to understand how the strands are woven together, sometimes tightly.”
A harder, but more fruitful question than how to reconcile Musk’s idealism and remarkable achievements with his “demon mode,” as Grimes calls it, might have been: What does it say about our world today that so much depends on a man like Musk? That the fate of electric vehicles, self-driving cars, public infrastructure projects, global space exploration, the rules of online discourse, and the life and death of military combatants can be altered at the whim of a notoriously whimsical man? And if he ever does go full Errol, will there be anything we can do about it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2023/09/10/elon-musk-walter-isaacson-biography-review/?
The last paragraph says it all.
every time a baby human gestates, with whatever genetic combination that happened, a new experiment is performed, a new human comes about, with a new brain wiring configuration, the neural unfolding is quite unique (ignoring identical twins for now), there’s a gestational environment, then after birth the external environment more directly at work
every time it is an experiment, a roll of the dice, and nature throws diversity of humans, the wiring, the cognitive tools, how they work, the predispositions and whatever shaped
the social and cultural receptivity profile is an experiment every time, quite varied, a lot of variety. Lot of similarity too of course, the tightness of perceived and conceived sameness is part of norm enforcement, in that is how ought people behave, behavior controls, informal mostly, guided by avoidance of adverse attention largely
you know way back there was a monkey that by some accident of birth wasn’t bothered being seen to crack nut shells open, rock in one hand smashing nuts open on another larger rock, initially the other monkeys may have sensed a developmental anomaly, just ignored it hoping the special creature might grow out of it, but soon the nut cracking monkey started accumulating quite a heap of nuts and others were regularly eating them, the nut cracking monkey was onto something, which influenced its mate choice possibility, some social status came from it
the range of savant gifts of humans is a lot of accidents maybe, in a way, in another way it’s not an accident, but been a core diversity generator of human abilities, not all of which has been natural selection, depending how you think of what is natural
anyways, master musk might be a modern nut cracker example, cares more about cracking the nut than immediate approval that might have otherwise inhibited him from doing his own thing, his own way
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Somewhere PF is crying
Why would I do that?
Elon was dissed
He is also changing the world. If you think he is bad, check the history of many famous people. You don’t have to like them, but you should acknowledge the high level they achieved.
dv said:
It will be a genuine error code.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrK3MCFlL38
At the 12:30’ mark.
Rachel Maddow and Ronan Farrow September 11 2023 talking about Musk’s power.
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN
—
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”
Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.html
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.html
Spacex is an integral part of NASA that needs to be reunited with the government, by force if necessary.
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.html
He doesn’t knnow much about history.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.htmlHe doesn’t knnow much about history.
He seems to think that Taiwan and China are like a teenage couple who just want to be together, and every time they start making longing looks at each other, the US Fleet, like some stern parent, steps into the Straits of Taiwan and says, ‘no, you don’t, none of that hanky-panky, thank you very much’.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
CNN
Hong Kong
CNN —
Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has hit back after Elon Musk called the self-ruled island an “integral part of China.”Speaking remotely at the All-in Summit, which took place in Los Angeles this week, Musk compared Taiwan’s relationship with China to that of Hawaii’s with the United States.
“Beijing’s policy has been to sort of reunite Taiwan with China,” said the Tesla (TSLA) CEO, who claimed he understands China “well.”
“From their standpoint, you know, maybe it’s analogous to like Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because … the US Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/14/business/elon-musk-taiwan-china-comments-intl-hnk/index.htmlHe doesn’t knnow much about history.
He seems to think that Taiwan and China are like a teenage couple who just want to be together, and every time they start making longing looks at each other, the US Fleet, like some stern parent, steps into the Straits of Taiwan and says, ‘no, you don’t, none of that hanky-panky, thank you very much’.
You might think differently if you owned a huge factory in China worth squillions.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:He doesn’t knnow much about history.
He seems to think that Taiwan and China are like a teenage couple who just want to be together, and every time they start making longing looks at each other, the US Fleet, like some stern parent, steps into the Straits of Taiwan and says, ‘no, you don’t, none of that hanky-panky, thank you very much’.
You might think differently if you owned a huge factory in China worth squillions.
PF you sexy beast we have something in common I love Elon as well, he has that overlord vibe
Have courage, brethren, soon we’ll have our time in the sun
ABC News:
‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
looks up WeChat.
So you can send files as well as short messages then?
Sort of like e-mail?
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
looks up WeChat.
So you can send files as well as short messages then?
Sort of like e-mail?
WeChat is ubiquitous in China – it is used for absolutely everything.
Bogsnorkler said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
got to make up for all the lost (((advertisers))).
Fixed.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:‘Elon Musk says X, his social media platform formerly known as Twitter, is planning to start charging users a small monthly fee to combat bots.’
Elon must REALLY hate Twitter/X.
Yeah…
I hate him and people like him. It’s all good.
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:got to make up for all the lost advertisers.
it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
rn it’s not clear to me that it’s going to survive even as a subapp
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
rn it’s not clear to me that it’s going to survive even as a subapp
I have gone a bit off the platform.. and I certainly would not pay to use it… looks like linked-in is going to get a boost
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:it’s not (just) that.. this is all part of the master plan.. Elon is trying to turn twitter into a super app, like the western version of WeChat..
The idea is to create an app that people use for managing their social network and messaging (like Facebook and Messenger), for image and video sharing (like Instagram and YouTube), for enterprise messaging (like Slack), for electronic payment services (essentially replacing your banking) and as a platform for mobile gaming.
rn it’s not clear to me that it’s going to survive even as a subapp
Losing money hand over fist.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-hung-up-tesla-worker-inside-burning-factory-report-2023-9
dv said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-hung-up-tesla-worker-inside-burning-factory-report-2023-9
!!!
Hello. Over here.
Bump.
So… what do you lot…think about the brain chip experiment , that Elon has just been approved to commence with people living with a spinal cord injury?
monkey skipper said:
So… what do you lot…think about the brain chip experiment , that Elon has just been approved to commence with people living with a spinal cord injury?
Well good luck to them I suppose
monkey skipper said:
So… what do you lot…think about the brain chip experiment , that Elon has just been approved to commence with people living with a spinal cord injury?
Informed consent and all that, I suppose.
Michael V said:
Bump.
ELON bumped twitter, it fell over and never was the same.
There is speculation Elon suffered a bump to the head as well, and as above was never the same.
Bumps can do that.
Impulsive and self-destructive: Elon Musk as depicted in a new book
The billionaire has a lofty vision for humanity—and is unusually determined to see it through
Elon Musk. By Walter Isaacson. Simon & Schuster; 688 pages; $35 and £28
What exactly is going on with Elon Musk? This question once preoccupied only techie types. But Mr Musk’s prominence in space-launch services, satellite-internet access, electric cars and social media means that the unpredictable behaviour of the world’s richest man now has global consequences. He controls Donald Trump’s access to Twitter, internet connectivity for Ukraine’s armed forces and America’s ability to send people into space. He has altered the course of multiple industries. And he has a knack for spotting what will be important in the future (so his side bets on brain chips and humanoid robots are probably worth watching). It is no surprise so many people now want to know what makes Mr Musk tick.
Walter Isaacson sets out to answer that question in this intimate biography. Previously a biographer of Steve Jobs, he shadowed Mr Musk for two years, gaining access to his family and closest confidants, to produce a detailed psychological portrait.
Born in 1971, Mr Musk had a tumultuous childhood in South Africa. He was brought up partly by a struggling single mother and partly by an abusive father. Violently bullied at school, Mr Musk escaped into daydreams and science-fiction novels. As a young man he emigrated, first to Canada, then America. He made his first millions during the dotcom fever of the late 1990s, co-founding an online business directory and then an online bank that, after a merger, became PayPal. He then set himself the modest goal of turning Homo sapiens into a “multi-planetary species” that could survive extinction on Earth.
It is hard to think of anyone else who has wrought such astounding change in so many different fields of endeavour, notably with SpaceX, his rocket company, and Tesla, a maker of electric cars. Yet Mr Musk is as widely loathed as he is admired, thanks to his pronouncements on politics, his crusade against the “woke mind virus” and his rocky stewardship of Twitter (which for some reason he has renamed X). Mr Isaacson describes a man with a lofty vision for humankind, but who is impulsive, pugnacious and self-destructive.
In Mr Isaacson’s view, Mr Musk is propelled by a conviction that humanity is hurtling towards calamity. Hence his superhuman work ethic (the man barely sleeps) and his tolerance for risk (he has endangered his fortune a number of times and often pushes his engineers to take calculated gambles). Hence, too, his habit of furiously reprimanding or even summarily firing employees whom he deems incompetent or insufficiently committed.
Mr Musk has faith in his own wisdom. When it comes to artificial intelligence, he believes no one but he can be trusted to protect humans from malevolent machines. He is being drawn into geopolitics, too. Mr Isaacson recounts how, as The Economist reported last October, Mr Musk refused to let Starlink, his satellite-internet service, be used by Ukraine to attack Russian forces occupying Crimea, for fear that an assault on the peninsula might provoke nuclear retaliation. (Ukraine attacked it later, triggering no such response.)
What transpires is a picture of a driven, talented entrepreneur who has become increasingly unstable and petty even as his influence over global affairs has grown. No doubt other business leaders are capable of unpredictable behaviour—Jobs comes to mind (a comparison the author encourages)—but they have not provided a live feed of their thoughts on Twitter. Lauded as Jobs’s successor, Mr Musk now draws comparisons with a different mercurial billionaire who inspires cult-like loyalty while acting like an aggrieved toddler.
Has the true Mr Musk emerged, feeling increasingly unconstrained as his wealth and power have grown, or has this behaviour been exacerbated by his use of Twitter? It is probably a bit of both. Mr Isaacson concedes that his subject sometimes behaves foolishly. Mr Musk’s addiction to social media has caused unnecessary spats. He accused a rescue diver in Thailand of being a “pedo guy”, provoking a defamation suit (which Mr Musk won). He declared he had “funding secured” to take Tesla private, when he did not, and had to make a multimillion-dollar settlement with the us Securities and Exchange Commission. As Mr Musk admits: “I’ve shot myself in the foot so often I ought to buy some Kevlar boots.”
In recent years his tweets have lambasted left-wing positions on issues such as gender identity, and flirted with right-wing conspiracy theories. This rightward shift can be explained in part, Mr Isaacson says, by a falling-out between Mr Musk and his transgender daughter Jenna, whose Marxist worldview led her to sever ties with her father. Mr Musk’s belief that Twitter had become infected with wokery and was censoring alternative viewpoints was a big factor in his decision to buy it. Mr Isaacson also speculates that the deal gave Mr Musk, scarred by his childhood bullying, a chance to “own the playground”.
All this now risks overshadowing Mr Musk’s positive contributions. Some Tesla drivers tout bumper stickers that read “I bought this car before we all knew Elon was a jerk”. More worryingly, he seems out of his depth in geopolitics. This doorstep-sized book provides a gripping account of Mr Musk’s extraordinary life. But it is hard to escape the feeling that the story of Elon Musk is still only half told.
https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/09/12/impulsive-and-self-destructive-elon-musk-as-depicted-in-a-new-book?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Impulsive and self-destructive: Elon Musk as depicted in a new book
The billionaire has a lofty vision for humanity—and is unusually determined to see it throughElon Musk. By Walter Isaacson. Simon & Schuster; 688 pages; $35 and £28
What exactly is going on with Elon Musk? This question once preoccupied only techie types. But Mr Musk’s prominence in space-launch services, satellite-internet access, electric cars and social media means that the unpredictable behaviour of the world’s richest man now has global consequences. He controls Donald Trump’s access to Twitter, internet connectivity for Ukraine’s armed forces and America’s ability to send people into space. He has altered the course of multiple industries. And he has a knack for spotting what will be important in the future (so his side bets on brain chips and humanoid robots are probably worth watching). It is no surprise so many people now want to know what makes Mr Musk tick.
Walter Isaacson sets out to answer that question in this intimate biography. Previously a biographer of Steve Jobs, he shadowed Mr Musk for two years, gaining access to his family and closest confidants, to produce a detailed psychological portrait.
Born in 1971, Mr Musk had a tumultuous childhood in South Africa. He was brought up partly by a struggling single mother and partly by an abusive father. Violently bullied at school, Mr Musk escaped into daydreams and science-fiction novels. As a young man he emigrated, first to Canada, then America. He made his first millions during the dotcom fever of the late 1990s, co-founding an online business directory and then an online bank that, after a merger, became PayPal. He then set himself the modest goal of turning Homo sapiens into a “multi-planetary species” that could survive extinction on Earth.
It is hard to think of anyone else who has wrought such astounding change in so many different fields of endeavour, notably with SpaceX, his rocket company, and Tesla, a maker of electric cars. Yet Mr Musk is as widely loathed as he is admired, thanks to his pronouncements on politics, his crusade against the “woke mind virus” and his rocky stewardship of Twitter (which for some reason he has renamed X). Mr Isaacson describes a man with a lofty vision for humankind, but who is impulsive, pugnacious and self-destructive.
In Mr Isaacson’s view, Mr Musk is propelled by a conviction that humanity is hurtling towards calamity. Hence his superhuman work ethic (the man barely sleeps) and his tolerance for risk (he has endangered his fortune a number of times and often pushes his engineers to take calculated gambles). Hence, too, his habit of furiously reprimanding or even summarily firing employees whom he deems incompetent or insufficiently committed.
Mr Musk has faith in his own wisdom. When it comes to artificial intelligence, he believes no one but he can be trusted to protect humans from malevolent machines. He is being drawn into geopolitics, too. Mr Isaacson recounts how, as The Economist reported last October, Mr Musk refused to let Starlink, his satellite-internet service, be used by Ukraine to attack Russian forces occupying Crimea, for fear that an assault on the peninsula might provoke nuclear retaliation. (Ukraine attacked it later, triggering no such response.)
What transpires is a picture of a driven, talented entrepreneur who has become increasingly unstable and petty even as his influence over global affairs has grown. No doubt other business leaders are capable of unpredictable behaviour—Jobs comes to mind (a comparison the author encourages)—but they have not provided a live feed of their thoughts on Twitter. Lauded as Jobs’s successor, Mr Musk now draws comparisons with a different mercurial billionaire who inspires cult-like loyalty while acting like an aggrieved toddler.
Has the true Mr Musk emerged, feeling increasingly unconstrained as his wealth and power have grown, or has this behaviour been exacerbated by his use of Twitter? It is probably a bit of both. Mr Isaacson concedes that his subject sometimes behaves foolishly. Mr Musk’s addiction to social media has caused unnecessary spats. He accused a rescue diver in Thailand of being a “pedo guy”, provoking a defamation suit (which Mr Musk won). He declared he had “funding secured” to take Tesla private, when he did not, and had to make a multimillion-dollar settlement with the us Securities and Exchange Commission. As Mr Musk admits: “I’ve shot myself in the foot so often I ought to buy some Kevlar boots.”
In recent years his tweets have lambasted left-wing positions on issues such as gender identity, and flirted with right-wing conspiracy theories. This rightward shift can be explained in part, Mr Isaacson says, by a falling-out between Mr Musk and his transgender daughter Jenna, whose Marxist worldview led her to sever ties with her father. Mr Musk’s belief that Twitter had become infected with wokery and was censoring alternative viewpoints was a big factor in his decision to buy it. Mr Isaacson also speculates that the deal gave Mr Musk, scarred by his childhood bullying, a chance to “own the playground”.
All this now risks overshadowing Mr Musk’s positive contributions. Some Tesla drivers tout bumper stickers that read “I bought this car before we all knew Elon was a jerk”. More worryingly, he seems out of his depth in geopolitics. This doorstep-sized book provides a gripping account of Mr Musk’s extraordinary life. But it is hard to escape the feeling that the story of Elon Musk is still only half told.
https://www.economist.com/culture/2023/09/12/impulsive-and-self-destructive-elon-musk-as-depicted-in-a-new-book?
Seems like a fair account of a very unusual man.
‘Challenge accepted, Elon’: Mehdi lays out the hate on Musk’s Twitter in gory detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOhMAdDwsc
sarahs mum said:
‘Challenge accepted, Elon’: Mehdi lays out the hate on Musk’s Twitter in gory detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOhMAdDwsc
Well I guess Mehdi does not like Elon either (for what it is worth from a self-righteous dick).
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
‘Challenge accepted, Elon’: Mehdi lays out the hate on Musk’s Twitter in gory detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OOhMAdDwsc
Well I guess Mehdi does not like Elon either (for what it is worth from a self-righteous dick).
Self righteous dicks are harmless if they have no funds. The problem is to wrest the money from their greedy clutches.
Cool
dv said:
Cool
Oh he found the video so that’s good
A very definite, strong shot across the bows of Musk from the European Commission.
https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1711808891757944866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1711808891757944866%7Ctwgr%5E66e5ffe4ca2a082caff702bae910ddcad38544e0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2023-10-11%2Fisrael-hamas-conflict-live-wednesday-october-11%2F102959214
Australia fines X, accusing it of ‘empty talk’ on fighting child sexual abuse online
Diksha Madhok, CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/16/tech/x-australia-fine-hnk-intl/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/23/why-is-elon-musk-attacking-wikipedia-because-its-very-existence-offends-him
Witty Rejoinder said:
They’re correct,
As the Nobel Peace prize winner Maria Ressa has warned, online misinformation could end democracy as we know it.
there’s obviously a better system.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgery
Elon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.
7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgeryElon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.
for what purpose? control?
Might get a wee drop of rain out of this, every little bit helps.
Arts said:
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgeryElon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
Peak Warming Man said:
Might get a wee drop of rain out of this, every little bit helps.
fuck you elon!!!
Never mind.
Boris said:
Arts said:
dv said:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgeryElon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery
Neuralink has FDA clearance to start messing with people’s heads—and not just figuratively.7 November 2023 at 1:01 pm AWST
Elon Musk is preparing for the most consequential launch of his career. But this one isn’t rocket science—it’s brain surgery. Musk’s company Neuralink Corp. is seeking a volunteer for its first clinical trial, meaning it’s looking for someone willing to have a chunk of their skull removed by a surgeon so a large robot can insert a series of electrodes and superthin wires into their brain.for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
imagine being in a work meeting and you are just about to discuss this months figures when your brain has to reboot for an update
Arts said:
Boris said:
Arts said:for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
imagine being in a work meeting and you are just about to discuss this months figures when your brain has to reboot for an update
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Arts said:
Boris said:
Arts said:for what purpose? control?
yes, and if you don’t pay your monthly subscription you get turned off.
imagine being in a work meeting and you are just about to discuss this months figures when your brain has to reboot for an update
have you tried turning him off then on again?
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.
Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/
Ha!
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.
Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/Ha!
Not so keen on free speech all the time now I see.
Spiny Norman said:
Not so keen on free speech all the time now I see.
I suppose the line has to be drawn in the sand.
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/
IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
it is in the linked article, but
The original X user’s post claimed Jews “have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”
Musk responded, “You have said the actual truth”
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X, faces a mounting backlash after he called an antisemitic post on the social platform this week “the actual truth,” dismaying investors and prompting some companies to halt advertising on the platform.Multiple advertisers — including Comcast, IBM, the European Commission and the movie studio Lionsgate — said they are pulling spending on X (formerly known as Twitter), citing reports of rising hate speech, including a report that some ads are appearing next to Nazi-related content.
A Lionsgate spokesperson told CBS News in a statement Friday that the company “has suspended advertising on X because of Elon Musk’s recent antisemitic tweets.”
A spokesperson for Paramount Global, the parent company of CBS News, also confirmed it has suspended advertising on X.
The White House also issued a statement, calling Musk’s comment “unacceptable.”
“We condemn this abhorrent promotion of antisemitic and racist hate in the strongest terms, which runs against our core values as Americans,” a White House spokesman said on Friday.
The blowback comes as X has already suffered a loss of advertisers, with some wary about their brands appearing on the platform amid reports of rising hate speech. Musk hired former NBC executive Linda Yaccarino to convince big brands to return to the social media service, a job that now appears to face additional headwinds in the aftermath of Musk’s comment.
Advertising on X fell 60% in September and revenue has sunk, Bloomberg News reporter Aisha Counts recently told CBS News. In July, Musk said the company’s ad revenue had plunged 50%, while also noting its heavy debt load.
——
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-actual-truth-antisemitic-post-backlash-advertisers/IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
it is in the linked article, but
The original X user’s post claimed Jews “have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”
Musk responded, “You have said the actual truth”
I’m reasonably sure that he has no idea of what actual truth actually is.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
IHEMAMAA,
but do we know what this post actually said, and was it really antisemitic?
it is in the linked article, but
The original X user’s post claimed Jews “have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.”
Musk responded, “You have said the actual truth”
I’m reasonably sure that he has no idea of what actual truth actually is.
On the other hand consider the banning of driving around in a car waving a flag.
I’m preparing my thoughts on the topic of the rise of the pro-Israel anti-Semite.
dv said:
I’m preparing my thoughts on the topic of the rise of the pro-Israel anti-Semite.
That’ll keep you busy.
Given that there’s a whole range of disagreements about Israel and how she is run amongst Israelis themselves, as well as Jews around the world, you’re going to have your work cut out covering the wider picture.
I can remember from my youth how some (but not all) of the elder statesmen in the Jewish community seemed to be puzzled by and wary of the militant Zionism espoused by younger people, and that they ‘kept an eye on it’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
I’m preparing my thoughts on the topic of the rise of the pro-Israel anti-Semite.
That’ll keep you busy.
Given that there’s a whole range of disagreements about Israel and how she is run amongst Israelis themselves, as well as Jews around the world, you’re going to have your work cut out covering the wider picture.
I can remember from my youth how some (but not all) of the elder statesmen in the Jewish community seemed to be puzzled by and wary of the militant Zionism espoused by younger people, and that they ‘kept an eye on it’.
Sure it’s all a rich tapestry but there does seem to be a growing intersection set
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Next they’ll be needing a hospital as a backdrop.
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Photo of the year
dv said:
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Photo of the year
I’m fb friends with the woman who took the photo. She’s been targeted by Build the Wall crackpots, Border Patrol and other delightful arseholes.
SCIENCE said:
kii said:
Musk’s rocket blows up over Steve Bannon’s fraud fence in south Texas.
Next they’ll be needing a hospital as a backdrop.
There is the National Butterfly Center nearby.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk. |
From The Infographics Show.
ruby said:
LOLOLOL
ruby said:
Dear oh dear.
ruby said:
My heart bleeds for him.
ruby said:
Looks like he’s pounding on the kilos too. Heading for an early cardiac problem by the looks.
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.
Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
dv said:
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
Where are you getting those figures from?
My amateur googling comes up with a kerb weight of 3,104 kg for the heaviest version, and AFAICT it’s only illegal here because it is in Left Hand Drive only. There is some talk of it being unforgiving in a pedestrian collision, is that what you meant?
Kingy said:
dv said:
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
Where are you getting those figures from?
My amateur googling comes up with a kerb weight of 3,104 kg for the heaviest version, and AFAICT it’s only illegal here because it is in Left Hand Drive only. There is some talk of it being unforgiving in a pedestrian collision, is that what you meant?
From the internet
https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-cybertruck-to-weigh-more-than-four-tonnes-powered-by-three-electric-motors-report/
As reported by Carbuzz, a user of the Cybertruck Owners Club online forum discovered Tesla’s VIN (vehicle identification number) ‘decoder’ in a document submitted to the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).
The document shows the Tesla Cybertruck will weigh between 4082 and 4546 kilograms (or 9001 to 10,000 pounds) – similar to the circa-4400kg GMC Hummer EV, but about twice as much as the Toyota HiLux SR5 dual-cab ute (2110kg).
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dv said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
Cybertruck can’t be sold in Australia or the major Asian markets because it doesn’t comply with safety regulations.Technically it can be released in Europe but the normal European license only allows you to drive vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes. Cybertruck comes in various flavours between 4.0 tonnes and 4.5 tonnes so you would need a heavy vehicles licence to operate it in almost all of Western and Central Europe.
So this will strictly be a North American thing.
I suppose it’s easily to make fun of because of it’s a 4 tonne vehicle with a small tray and looks like shit but I would say it is a good thing if some people who would otherwise be spending $100000 on a huge fossil fuel powered pickup will be using this instead.
Where are you getting those figures from?
My amateur googling comes up with a kerb weight of 3,104 kg for the heaviest version, and AFAICT it’s only illegal here because it is in Left Hand Drive only. There is some talk of it being unforgiving in a pedestrian collision, is that what you meant?
From the internet
https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-cybertruck-to-weigh-more-than-four-tonnes-powered-by-three-electric-motors-report/
As reported by Carbuzz, a user of the Cybertruck Owners Club online forum discovered Tesla’s VIN (vehicle identification number) ‘decoder’ in a document submitted to the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).
The document shows the Tesla Cybertruck will weigh between 4082 and 4546 kilograms (or 9001 to 10,000 pounds) – similar to the circa-4400kg GMC Hummer EV, but about twice as much as the Toyota HiLux SR5 dual-cab ute (2110kg).
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Ok, I was reading this one:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-tesla-cybertruck-first-look-review/
“ that’s impressive for the claimed 6,843-pound curb weight of the Cyberbeast specification,”
Brain fart here, the GVWR is 4.5 tonnes, over the 3.5 tonne limit
Tesla is recalling more than two million cars after the US regulator found its driver assistance system, Autopilot, was partly defective.
It follows a two-year investigation into crashes at the firm owned by billionaire Elon Musk, which occurred when Autopilot was in use.
The recall applies to almost every Tesla sold in the US since the Autopilot feature was launched in 2015.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67693935
The phrase “sports futility vehicle” appears to be trending.
Shock
dv said:
Shock
Too much watching of Futurama
Cymek said:
dv said:
Shock
Too much watching of Futurama
Cymek said:
dv said:
Shock
Too much watching of Futurama
having read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
sarahs mum said:
:)
sarahs mum said:
A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
He is being judged by the mediocrity, who lack the guts and initiative to go out on a limb to see what is there. Why do you think most of Australia’s great inventions go overseas? It is because Australia’s very top-heavy mediocrity will sit back too frightened to take a small risk of failure. At least Elon gives it a very good go and has succeeded massively way beyond what was thought possible. Yet Australia’s mediocrity will take comfort by trying to drag him down to their unimportant level.
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:A man condemned for his few failures, whilst his great achievements are ignored.
In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
He is being judged by the mediocrity, who lack the guts and initiative to go out on a limb to see what is there. Why do you think most of Australia’s great inventions go overseas? It is because Australia’s very top-heavy mediocrity will sit back too frightened to take a small risk of failure. At least Elon gives it a very good go and has succeeded massively way beyond what was thought possible. Yet Australia’s mediocrity will take comfort by trying to drag him down to their unimportant level.
What a load of shit. This isn’t about Australia. Musk is a South African who migrated to the USA. My comments are about how he was/is being treated in the USA. What happens here in Australia is irrelevant.
Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing. But it is NIMBYs like you that complain about population growth and immigration in one breath, and then in the next breath complain about the lack of manufacturing – whatever suits for particular argument at the time, without realising the two are interlinked.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
party_pants said:In an ideal world, people would be praised and criticised in appropriate proportion to each of their deeds.
But it never works out that way, it tends to swing like a pendulum. He was praised far too generously a decade ago as some sort of visionary genius. But now the pendulum has swung and he gets lots of hate. Both are deserved in some measure, but the swings either way probably go a bit further than is justified. He is on a negative swing right now.
He is being judged by the mediocrity, who lack the guts and initiative to go out on a limb to see what is there. Why do you think most of Australia’s great inventions go overseas? It is because Australia’s very top-heavy mediocrity will sit back too frightened to take a small risk of failure. At least Elon gives it a very good go and has succeeded massively way beyond what was thought possible. Yet Australia’s mediocrity will take comfort by trying to drag him down to their unimportant level.
What a load of shit. This isn’t about Australia. Musk is a South African who migrated to the USA. My comments are about how he was/is being treated in the USA. What happens here in Australia is irrelevant.
Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing. But it is NIMBYs like you that complain about population growth and immigration in one breath, and then in the next breath complain about the lack of manufacturing – whatever suits for particular argument at the time, without realising the two are interlinked.
You typify the problem with this country and its small-mindedness. Elon Musk and his businesses are WORLDWIDE, not just American, South African or Australian! And the adverse comments whether generated here or overseas by the mediocrity all wish to sully his name and his achievements.
As for trade, Australia trades internationally as do overseas companies with something to sell. There is the internet for communications and a plethora of delivery methods available. Plus it is machinery that makes things cheaper and that is increasingly by robots and Ai. If you have a new invention or discovery there are patents and other means to protect your invention. You are not dealing in sail ships and morse code these days, yet Australian business will shun things new for the tried and proven, and are extremely reluctant to invest in anything else. THAT is why Australia lets good ideas and inventions go overseas because we lack the guts, initiative and pride in ourselves and of our smart people, plus it is a lot easier to let someone else do it first.
party_pants said:
Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing.
Totally agree, although we rarely hear of the successful innovations on the media.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing.
Totally agree, although we rarely hear of the successful innovations on the media.
What happens when people invent or develop something that people want, they set up factories in countries like America, Europe and even China where there are large populations and demand can be satisfied more easily. However, the property rights REMAIN with the inventor and his country also gain from it. Without local support, a cash strapped inventor must trade his ownership of their invention and the rights to it are then transferred to the new country.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:Australia’s problem with innovation in manufacturing is a small population spread out over a large area. The tyranny of distance has been known about for decades. There is just not the economies of scale available in Australia to get mass manufactured goods up and running. We do very well in services and intellectual property, just not in manufacturing.
Totally agree, although we rarely hear of the successful innovations on the media.
I too have been the victim of the tyranny of distance, that was too great for me to overcome. However, these days with the internet where detailed information can be exchanged in seconds, it is no longer such a big problem. Not only can you now easily and cheaply sell to the whole of Australia, but also to the entire world.
Bump for Sarah’s Mum
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bump for Sarah’s Mum
ta.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bump for Sarah’s Mumta.
There was a comment today about elon banning the community comments on his posts, because facts don’t agree with him.
So, it appears that no-one has challenged his posts with facts recently.
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bump for Sarah’s Mumta.
Lololol 😆 what?
The problem with musk is that he’s a con man.
Tesla and many other companies he’s created are in effect ponzi schemes/ get poor quick schemes.
Check out thunderf00t on youtube – he along with other channels go into detail about the how and why of musk , he’s another Elizabeth Holmes clone.
You shouldn’t take ANYTHING musk says seriously
tauto said:
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
wookiemeister said:
The problem with musk is that he’s a con man.Tesla and many other companies he’s created are in effect ponzi schemes/ get poor quick schemes.
Check out thunderf00t on youtube – he along with other channels go into detail about the how and why of musk , he’s another Elizabeth Holmes clone.
Yeah, his sci-fi rocketships, his AI, robots, satellite communications, etc and you realise that he is no more than a stupid arsehole.
wookiemeister said:
You shouldn’t take ANYTHING musk says seriously
Please someone save us from this self-opinionated idiot.
wookiemeister said:
tauto said:
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
He’s a lie, all of his companies are lies.SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:
tauto said:
Well elon must have cheated on his iq test or the test is useless for detecting intelligence.
He’s a lie, all of his companies are lies.SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
I keep going to say that but there is no point. Doesn’t change anything.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
wookiemeister said:He’s a lie, all of his companies are lies.
SpaceX Falcon is the only thing that comes close to working , tesla cars are a scam.
Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
I keep going to say that but there is no point. Doesn’t change anything.
Just makes me feel a little better.
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:Fuck off for Christ sake you stupid arsehole.
I keep going to say that but there is no point. Doesn’t change anything.
Just makes me feel a little better.
“A judge has ruled that Elon Musk’s record-breaking $US56 billion ($84 billion) Tesla pay package could be voided, calling the compensation “an unfathomable sum” that was not fair to shareholders.”
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-31/elon-musk-84-billion-tesla-pay-package-voided/103408230
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cyberbeer-tastes-like-hot-garbage-some-say-elon-musk-2023-11
Tesla superfans are complaining about its $150 CyberBeer — calling it ‘hot garbage’ and posting pictures of rusty bottle caps
Some Tesla superfans aren’t thrilled with Tesla’s new CyberBeer — and they’re taking to social media to air their grievances.
“Tesla Cyberbeer is hot garbage,” one person complained in a post on X on Tuesday. “Not only is the lid RUSTED but the beer is also nasty.”
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Kingy said:
Heh!
:)
Spiny Norman said:
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Edison was rather the same.
Spiny Norman said:
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Link is for an unrelated video about police illegally stopping drivers for licence checks. (I did not watch teh whole thing).
Bring back Twitter.
Elon go to Mars. Stay there.
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Kingy said:
Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Link is for an unrelated video about police illegally stopping drivers for licence checks. (I did not watch teh whole thing).
Weird.
Try this one.
https://youtu.be/iXfafZo3H84?si=wUlTVFBCYlLKEepT
Spiny Norman said:
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:Pretty much.
The Ugly Truth About Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbV7EJ2-4Y
Link is for an unrelated video about police illegally stopping drivers for licence checks. (I did not watch teh whole thing).
Weird.
Try this one.
https://youtu.be/iXfafZo3H84?si=wUlTVFBCYlLKEepT
Thanks Bill.
Turns out not much I didn’t already know, but interesting to watch anyways.
Kingy said:
Typical of the crap the envious Elon hating, never amounting to much public throw at him. Still good a job he can afford to ignore them.
“ Musk’s Starlink is operational on occupied territory which is shown on their official website. Ukrainian fighters report that their own Starlink speed drops to 0.1 Mb/sec, a thousand times from promised speed. Russians are using their Starlinks without problems which is already felt on the frontline.
Media presumes that activated Starlinks are sold to Russia through UAE. As you see on the map, Starlinks are specifically disabled near the Russian border; Musk can also turn them off for Ukraine when he wants to or turn them on for Russia.”
Russian soldiers now have “Starlink” on the battlefield…
It has been a couple of weeks since they announced that a quadriplegic patient had received a Neuralink implant a couple of weeks ago, but details are scant.
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This strikes me as counter-intuitive. I would have assumed that a “first in human” study would require more scrutiny than a well-established procedure. Obviously the potential for good here is high but the human rights of the patients still have to be protected.
I’m terribly sorry. I copied and pasted that from a news item and it contained unexpected formatting.
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It has been a couple of weeks since they announced that a quadriplegic patient had received a Neuralink implant a couple of weeks ago, but details are scant.
Neuralink does not have to divulge even basic details about its trial, including the facility where patients are being implanted with the device and monitored, as well as the number of participants and expected completion date. That is because the study was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as a “first in human” or “early feasibility” trial, the four experts said, based on Neuralink’s characterizations.
This strikes me as counter-intuitive. I would have assumed that a “first in human” study would require more scrutiny than a well-established procedure. Obviously the potential for good here is high but the human rights of the patients still have to be protected.
dv said:
I’m terribly sorry. I copied and pasted that from a news item and it contained unexpected formatting.— —
It has been a couple of weeks since they announced that a quadriplegic patient had received a Neuralink implant a couple of weeks ago, but details are scant.
Neuralink does not have to divulge even basic details about its trial, including the facility where patients are being implanted with the device and monitored, as well as the number of participants and expected completion date. That is because the study was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as a “first in human” or “early feasibility” trial, the four experts said, based on Neuralink’s characterizations.This strikes me as counter-intuitive. I would have assumed that a “first in human” study would require more scrutiny than a well-established procedure. Obviously the potential for good here is high but the human rights of the patients still have to be protected.
From what I’ve read brain scarring around the electrode renders the electrode useless.
Bad idea use non invasive instead.
Elon creates vapourware to boost his companies share price. After a while the original idea will fizzle away. Neuralink has stayed active because it doesn’t burn money like hyperloop
Maybe someone else can start a new Twitter.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe someone else can start a new Twitter.
I’m on Threads which is fine but it’s got like 5% of the traffic of Twitter.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe someone else can start a new Twitter.
in fairness… someone already has
Elon Musk on The Don Lemon Show – Full Interview
I’ve not watched it, but some here might want to.
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Like the upsidedown US light switches.
I think that Australia is something of the exception there.
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Even more hilarious:
Imagine a just-barely-possible further eight years of an increasingly demented Trump in the White House. Unless they could finagle a way to keep him there longer.
*conservative
These worms got me good.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Like the upsidedown US light switches.
I’m so excited to be returning to sane electrical and plumbing systems! I really want a kitchen sink with a draining board.
Someone should tell Elon that if he doesn’t like it he should fuck off back to South Africa.
kii said:
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:It’s called ‘American exceptionalism’.
As in ‘sure, everyone else in the world, every nation, race, creed, and colour recognises that as the sensible thing to do, but we’re Americans, so we’re going to do this. And then act surprised, and treat the rest of the world as idiots, because they don’t do what we do.’
Like the upsidedown US light switches.I’m so excited to be returning to sane electrical and plumbing systems! I really want a kitchen sink with a draining board.
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So weird that the conversation side is Red in the US, and the progressive side Blue. Why do you have to be weird all the time, America?
Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yeah, for a second or two there I thought Elon had finally seen the light.
It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
I very doubt if you have watched a single interview.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
I very doubt if you have watched a single interview.
Just a few. Maybe i made some unlucky choices. I’m good at that.
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:It’s hard to see the light, when you’re firmly convinced that it shines out your own bumhole.
Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Fair point.
Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Christ! What a bunch of whimpering wallies. Why don’t you watch the interview with him that Kii posted last night. At least you would get some idea of what you are talking about.
I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Also I suppose regardless of what he has achieved how are his employees treated.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:I’ll give it a watch, in the hop that it does, indeed, reveal another side to the man, besides the rather more tiresome facets of himself that he’s shown in other interviews. In a lot of those, he comes across as one of those ‘i am’ types who you encounter in e.g. the pub, and you say ‘excuse me, just got to go to the loo’, but instead you go to another pub just to get away from him.
For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
He is a complicated man where anything is possible.
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Also I suppose regardless of what he has achieved how are his employees treated.
With the thousands of employees spread over many businesses and countries, I would imagine there would be many managers more than capable of looking after such things. Why people think the richest man in the world with the largest car manufacturing plant and the most suffocated space travel, plus many other top high-tech businesses should be responsible for every operation (large and small) in his vast business organisation I find somewhat unrealistic.
https://www.threads.net/@tradesunioncongress/post/C4p9PoyKiAC/?xmt=AQGzMWSqvUuKHp7-X6z8bFbWHq3DMn2h5ffTXjIa4lyo5Q
Lords and peasants
dv said:
https://www.threads.net/@tradesunioncongress/post/C4p9PoyKiAC/?xmt=AQGzMWSqvUuKHp7-X6z8bFbWHq3DMn2h5ffTXjIa4lyo5QLords and peasants
Well said that man. Not Musk, the other man :)))
PermeateFree said:
… the richest man in the world with the largest car manufacturing plant and the most suffocated space travel, plus many other top high-tech businesses…
What other “top high-tech businesses does he own?
I can only think of Neuralink, The Boring Company, Twitter/X and xAI. None of these are “top” companies in their fields.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:For someone who knows everything about everything and has done it too, I would have thought it would be you left at the bar. But anyway, it sounds like you have some experience.
Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
He is a complicated man where anything is possible.
I have known a few people like Elon Musk, highly intelligent but with the same character traits. They can achieve quite clever things but are also really good at self sabotaging their successes due to their flawed ego needs. Sadly in self sabotaging, they can also bring down those closest to them, and those not so close. Elon’s recent embrace of right wing ideology I suspect is to draw attention away from certain things he doesn’t want people to notice.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:Do you not wonder though if perhaps Elon has a hidden agenda, like to reform Earth into a Galactic Empire
Also I suppose regardless of what he has achieved how are his employees treated.
With the thousands of employees spread over many businesses and countries, I would imagine there would be many managers more than capable of looking after such things. Why people think the richest man in the world with the largest car manufacturing plant and the most suffocated space travel, plus many other top high-tech businesses should be responsible for every operation (large and small) in his vast business organisation I find somewhat unrealistic.
I also get a hard on for Elon my friend
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
A far-right Austrian who received donations from and communicated with the Christchurch terrorist before the 2019 attack has had his X account restored, with X owner Elon Musk replying to one of his tweets.
The founder of the so-called Identitarian Movement, Martin Sellner, who preaches the superiority of European ethnic groups, was banned from Twitter in 2020 under the former management along with dozens of other accounts linked to the movement amid criticism over the platform’s handling of extremist content.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/19/elon-musk-replies-x-twitter-martin-sellner-far-right-identitarian-movement-christchurch-terrorist-attack
PermeateFree said:
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Elon Musk is not a perfect individual, but he has achieved considerably more than most and should be respected for it. Instead, this forum resorts to the usual shit on everything connected to the person, you don’t care about the truth, the right or wrong of the situation, it is a psychopathic method of total destruction of character, reputation and their achievements, nothing is spared. Well I think this attitude and pastime is a disgrace and should be frowned upon. Instead, it is cheered on largely because a couple of high-profile individuals say so. What is needed here is not sycophants, but those with some gumption to counter this highly destructive forum pastime.
Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
Someone literally posted Musk’s own words: direct from the moron’s mouth so to speak.
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
Someone literally posted Musk’s own words: direct from the moron’s mouth so to speak.
He’s an attention seeker and they tend to shit people off
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Or it could be that you’re prepared to dismiss any fair criticism of people you admire to further your outsider status against all common sense. Face it Elon supporting Trump is bad for the environment but you’re willing to ignore this because of your own twisted psychology.
The so-called criticism is not criticism at all but slanderous/libelous trash that frequents the mindless masses of social media. If it were a fair, truthful and realistic argument that was mounted I would be all for it, but all that is presented here is rabble rousing rubbish, so biased as to be stupid and a poor reflection on the people that make it.
I do not hold Musk is any particular high regard, other being an intelligent, adventurous and highly successful self-made man who should be respected for what he has achieved. My main objection is the stupid cancerous comments made here who take pride in reducing worthy people to rubble for no other reason than his ideology differs from their own, he has attracted many enemies from various groups (as do most successful people) and you want to be on the winning side of any strongly supported victimisation.
Elon might favour Trump, I don’t know neither do you, but his philosophy is to encourage as many views as feasible to any subject and you must admit Trump has some of the wildest AND well supported views which makes it important for others to know where he is coming from. Now if you want to assume everything then carry on with the way you are going, but if you want to learn, then be a little more accommodating as it is to your advantage.
Someone literally posted Musk’s own words: direct from the moron’s mouth so to speak.
It is very easy to cherry-pick snippets of conversation to make it appear to be what you want it to be.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
In case you didn’t see this tweet from Musk, PF:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
he doesn’t have good policies though. and this “listening to both sides” is a fucking joke.
We have an Elon love thread over there if someone needs a safe space wherewithin to sing his praises.
Michael V said:
In case you didn’t see this tweet from Musk, PF:
Well again this quip is probably related to what was going on in the media. I recall there was talk that if Trump did not win there would be another revolution in America, and that would fit the quote, Most comment is relevant to other related matters and a short sentence like that makes me at least, none the wiser.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Anyway since you support Trump I will no longer consider you an environmentalist so now you’ve got no redeeming features.
It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
ChrispenEvan said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:It is no wonder you follow the social media masses as you seem incapable of any rational thought of your own.
Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
he doesn’t have good policies though. and this “listening to both sides” is a fucking joke.
It is not listening to both sides, it is giving Trump an opportunity to state his case that is usually extreme and sensible people should realise that and criticise it with facts, but the real advantage of being forewarned, is to permit you to be prepared.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Seriously though one doesn’t need to follow any social media to realise Trump is a disgusting human being
Even if he had good policies the man is a pig
Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Wait a minute! When have I ever said or done anything that indicates I support Trump? This is typical of mindless social media, someone says something and everyone thinks it is god’s truth. Well I am sorry to disappoint you because it’s not.
So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you agree Elon is stupid for supporting Trump?
That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:That’s your big problem, you like putting words into people mouths to suit your distorted view of the world.
You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:You’re the one who admires a man who thinks underpopulation is a greater threat than climate change who has personally fathered 10 children with 4 different women. I’m not putting words in your mouth anyway just trying to reconcile your professed beliefs with the crap you spew.
I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
And of course, along with people who think the same as you, you absorb all they say and think you know a person’s character which I think says more about yours than it does of E. Musk. Just one thing for you to remember Witty: Never ask your enemies for a character reference!
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I gave my reasons as to why I object to the way this forum demonises Musk. I did not say I admire him or believe everything he quotes or even his lifestyle. I said he should be respected for his achievements that are considerable. And this forum should listen to the facts of the matter and ask yourselves if you have done more or are even a better man. He is an example of an elite individual and although not perfect has many good qualities, which if you had them, most people would be proud.
Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
And of course, along with people who think the same as you, you absorb all they say and think you know a person’s character which I think says more about yours than it does of E. Musk. Just one thing for you to remember Witty: Never ask your enemies for a character reference!
Well I’m glad we got that sorted.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Sorry I judge people on the content of their character and not on how many shiny things they own or create.
And of course, along with people who think the same as you, you absorb all they say and think you know a person’s character which I think says more about yours than it does of E. Musk. Just one thing for you to remember Witty: Never ask your enemies for a character reference!
Well I’m glad we got that sorted.
Next item on the agenda: reconciling the Israelis and the Palestinians.
dv said:
Gourd.
Musk tried to ‘punish’ critics, judge rules, in tossing a lawsuit
In a win for hate-speech researchers, a federal judge in California dismisses X’s lawsuit under the state’s anti-SLAPP law
By Will Oremus and Taylor Telford
Updated March 25, 2024 at 5:37 p.m. EDT|Published March 25, 2024 at 1:22 p.m. EDT
A federal judge in California on Monday threw out the entirety of a lawsuit by Elon Musk’s X against the nonprofit Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), ruling that the lawsuit was an attempt to silence X’s critics.
“X Corp.’s motivation in bringing this case is evident,” U.S. District Judge Charles R. Breyer wrote in a 52-page ruling. “X Corp. has brought this case in order to punish CCDH for CCDH publications that criticized X Corp. — and perhaps in order to dissuade others who might wish to engage in such criticism.”
X sued the Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit in July 2023 after it published a report alleging that the social network was profiting from hate after Musk reinstated scores of previously suspended accounts of “neo-Nazis, white supremacists, misogynists and spreaders of dangerous conspiracy theories.” X alleged that the group improperly gained access to data about X and that its claims influenced advertisers to spend less money on the site, costing X tens of millions of dollars in lost revenue.
The ruling is a win for research groups that study online platforms and a blow to Musk’s campaign to portray X’s loss of advertisers as a vast conspiracy against him. Under Musk, X has also sued the nonprofit Media Matters for America in federal court in Texas, and it threatened to sue the Anti-Defamation League before reaching a détente with that group.
Musk “certainly doesn’t seem to champion free-speech rights when the speaker is being critical of him,” said David Greene, senior staff attorney and civil liberties director at the digital rights nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Breyer dismissed the suit under California’s strict laws against what are known as SLAPPs, or strategic lawsuits against public participation. The judge did not mince words in his finding that the suit lacked merit and appeared to be a blatant attempt to intimidate researchers and critics.
“Sometimes it is unclear what is driving a litigation, and only by reading between the lines of a complaint can one attempt to surmise a plaintiff’s true purpose,” Breyer wrote. “Other times, a complaint is so unabashedly and vociferously about one thing that there can be no mistaking that purpose. This case represents the latter circumstance. This case is about punishing the Defendants for their speech.”
Under California’s anti-SLAPP statute, defendants are entitled to have their legal fees paid by the plaintiffs who filed the frivolous suit.
Imran Ahmed, CCDH’s CEO, cheered Breyer’s ruling in a phone interview Monday, calling it a “complete victory” that should “embolden” public-interest researchers everywhere to continue their work.
“It is quite clear that this was an unconstitutional attempt to shut down the free speech of critics of Elon Musk, by Elon Musk, a self-proclaimed ‘free-speech absolutist,’” Ahmed said. “It’s an enormous relief to the team at CCDH that we now can continue our mission to hold these companies accountable.”
Jonathan Hawk, an attorney representing X in the case, declined to comment. Musk could not be reached for comment, and a request for comment from X was met with an autoreply.
Alejandra Caraballo, a clinical instructor at Harvard Law School’s Cyberlaw Clinic, said the ruling was “probably the best decision that could have come out of this case with a view toward actually protecting free speech.” “We don’t want the wealthy, the powerful and others to silence dissent through litigation they know is frivolous just because they have the resources,” Caraballo said.
While Musk has billed himself as a “free-speech absolutist,” he has on several occasions barred journalists and activists from the site for posting information that he said violated its rules. Caraballo experienced that last week when her X account was banned after she amplified the identity of anonymous neo-Nazi comic artist StoneToss. The platform cracked down on mentions of the user’s supposed identity and changed the terms of service to prohibit naming the person behind an anonymous account. (Caraballo’s account has since been reinstated.)
CCDH was one of several research groups that found a rise in hate speech on the site after Musk bought it in October 2022. As some advertisers paused spending on X, Musk attempted to control the damage, claiming in November 2022 that hate speech had fallen “below our prior norms.”
On Nov. 10, 2022, CCDH published what it called a “fact-check” of those claims. The group said data from an analytics tool for advertisers called Brandwatch showed that the use of some particularly vile slurs had spiked dramatically.
In February 2023, another CCDH report titled “Toxic Twitter” found that a group of 10 extremist accounts whose bans were lifted by Musk was generating billions of views with their tweets and likely bringing in millions in ad revenue. The implication was that Musk was profiting from the speech of people such as neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin, self-described “misogynist influencer” Andrew Tate and leading vaccine conspiracy theorists.
X cited both reports, along with a previous report that CCDH published before Musk’s purchase of Twitter, in its lawsuit. The company said the group violated its terms of service, improperly used the Brandwatch advertising tool and violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act’s provision against unauthorized access to machines and data.
But while X accused CCDH of harming its reputation, it did not bring a legal claim of defamation, which would have required it to prove that the reports were untrue. CCDH’s lawyers suggested that might be because X didn’t want to open itself to a legal discovery process that would generate evidence about “the truth about the content on its platform.”
Breyer, the judge, took note of that choice, writing in his ruling that X wanted to “have it both ways — to be spared the burdens of pleading a defamation claim, while bemoaning the harm to its reputation, and seeking punishing damages based on reputational harm.”
In a similar case, X sued the liberal media watchdog group Media Matters in Texas in November 2023 after it published a report showing that the site appeared to be running ads alongside blatantly pro-Nazi posts. Multiple businesses, including IBM, Apple and Disney, subsequently suspended their advertising on the platform.
“The court made it clear that Elon Musk is using lawsuits to silence critics and would-be critics,” said Angelo Carusone, president of Media Matters, noting that Musk had “enlisted several Republican state to initiate harassing investigations against us.”
“Today was a good day for free speech, but there is a long road ahead before it can be marked safe from Musk’s abuse,” Carusone said.
Greene said he hopes the high-profile ruling against Musk will discourage others from trying to use frivolous lawsuits as a tool for intimidation and silencing critics. But he said it’s unlikely the CCDH ruling will have any bearing on the pending lawsuit in Texas against Media Matters because “the claims are different,” noting that Musk sued for defamation in that case.
Texas has become a favored venue for Musk as he has battled lawsuits in other jurisdictions. He moved Tesla’s corporate headquarters from California to Austin in 2021, and he moved the incorporation of SpaceX to Texas from Delaware in February, after a Delaware judge voided his $56 billion pay package for Tesla. The day Musk filed his lawsuit against Media Matters, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton ® launched a fraud investigation into the nonprofit, subpoenaing materials related to its reporting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/03/25/musk-x-lawsuit-slapp-center-digital-hate/?
Musk, the right winged censor.
Who could forget this classic?
dv said:
Who could forget this classic?
I remember twitter… those were the days
Arts said:
dv said:
Who could forget this classic?
I remember twitter… those were the days
I can go way back to when Samantha Fox would get her Bristol city’s out on page 3, now you’re lucky if the local rag has 3 pages.
I did know Musk was a union-busting cunch but I was unaware of this lawsuit.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-26/trader-joe-s-follows-spacex-in-arguing-nlrb-is-unconstitutional
Trader Joe’s Follows SpaceX in Arguing US Labor Board Is Unconstitutional
Grocery chain Trader Joe’s is joining Elon Musk’s SpaceX in arguing that the US labor board, which is prosecuting cases against both companies, is unconstitutional.
At a Jan. 16 National Labor Relations Board hearing in Connecticut, an attorney for Trader Joe’s told the judge considering union-busting allegations against it that the company wished to introduce a new argument in its defense.
Did he forget that he is foreign born and has like a dozen kids?
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
Not All All Ins
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
The Show More doesn’t work.
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
Buy more chips, feed more gulls.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
Buy more chips, feed more gulls.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
The Show More doesn’t work.
Try pressing this:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Wild scenes.
Not satire.
The Show More doesn’t work.
Try pressing this:
Big red buttons are usually something good
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:The Show More doesn’t work.
Try pressing this:
Big red buttons are usually something good
I beg to differ.
Bogsnorkler said:
Cymek said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Try pressing this:
Big red buttons are usually something good
I beg to differ.
He’s always been pro-virus, but he’s too young to be making these jokes.
Court transcript
dv said:
Court transcript
Faaaark!
dv said:
Court transcript
AI
All Fascists Are Hitrusk¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Court transcript
AI
He’s a really strange dude.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Court transcript
AI
Musk cut straight to the chase there.
With Tesla’s stock taking a nose dive this year and his social media platform X (Twitter) in perpetual upheaval thanks in part to his irregular utterances, at least Elon Musk has his successful space enterprise to look to. Or not. SpaceX’s prized Starlink satellite business is still burning through more cash than it brings in. People familiar with its finances say Starlink has at times lost hundreds of dollars on each of the millions of ground terminals it ships, casting doubt on Musk’s claim that the business is in “profitable territory.”
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Bloomberg email newsletter
Witty Rejoinder said:
With Tesla’s stock taking a nose dive this year and his social media platform X (Twitter) in perpetual upheaval thanks in part to his irregular utterances, at least Elon Musk has his successful space enterprise to look to. Or not. SpaceX’s prized Starlink satellite business is still burning through more cash than it brings in. People familiar with its finances say Starlink has at times lost hundreds of dollars on each of the millions of ground terminals it ships, casting doubt on Musk’s claim that the business is in “profitable territory.”…
Bloomberg email newsletter
Does Tesla still make most of their money by selling carbon credits to other automakers?
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
With Tesla’s stock taking a nose dive this year and his social media platform X (Twitter) in perpetual upheaval thanks in part to his irregular utterances, at least Elon Musk has his successful space enterprise to look to. Or not. SpaceX’s prized Starlink satellite business is still burning through more cash than it brings in. People familiar with its finances say Starlink has at times lost hundreds of dollars on each of the millions of ground terminals it ships, casting doubt on Musk’s claim that the business is in “profitable territory.”…
Bloomberg email newsletter
Does Tesla still make most of their money by selling carbon credits to other automakers?
Dunno.
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<
https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
PermeateFree said:
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
Shouldn’t this be in the Love Thread?
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
Shouldn’t this be in the Love Thread?
Just trying to add a little reality.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
PermeateFree said:
>>The Starlink connection on both vessels has really changed life at sea for us. Being able to connect with a colleague in real-time on a vessel in the Antarctic from another vessel off New Zealand is something that would not have been possible before.<<https://oceancensus.org/bounty-trough-voyage-update-3/
Shouldn’t this be in the Love Thread?
Just trying to add a little reality.
You’ll have to take it up with Bloomberg I’m afraid.
Look At These CHINA Shills ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-12/china-ultra-high-speed-trains-maglev-how-fast/103644930
Everyone Knows This Was A Felon Idea ¡
Having remade Twitter, Elon Musk takes his speech fight global
The X owner has become a bridge between American conservatives and the global far right
By Elizabeth Dwoskin, Terrence McCoy and Marina Dias
April 18, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
SAN FRANCISCO — To Elon Musk, the Brazilian Supreme Court justice is a “dictator.”
In the justice’s view, Musk is allowing his social media platform to support the “digital militias” that are using disinformation to threaten democracy.
Together, they’re making this South American nation the battleground for the global debate on free speech and fake news, a dispute that could affect how people everywhere communicate information, ideas and opinions online.
On one side, there’s Alexandre de Moraes, one of the world’s most aggressive prosecutors of disinformation. In recent years, as right-wing Brazilian leader Jair Bolsonaro and his supporters questioned the integrity of Brazil’s elections, Moraes was granted expanded powers to fight false claims online. As head of the country’s top elections court, he has issued arrest warrants against dozens of figures and demanded that social media companies take down scores of accounts.
Then there’s Musk, the combative tech billionaire who, since taking over Twitter, has loosened the platform’s restrictions on hateful content and allowed misinformation to flood the platform in the name of free speech.
Their opposing worldviews exploded into public view this month, when Musk announced he would no longer countenance judicial orders from Moraes, who he said was breaking Brazilian law, and threatened to shutter the platform, now called X, in one of its most active markets.
Moraes, in response, said he was adding Musk as a target in his ongoing criminal investigation into political groups accused of using false information to attack democracy.
Musk did not respond to a request for comment. Moraes declined to comment.
The dispute could influence how social media platforms police their users in countries that regulate free speech differently than the United States. And it’s cementing Musk’s rise as an avatar of the global right, where he’s found common ground with some of its most prominent and polarizing figures.
Since declaring his independence from Moraes’s orders, Musk has met with Argentine President Javier Milei at a Tesla factory in Texas, been invited to a live online appearance with Bolsonaro and said he will meet soon with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. All are populists bolstered by online armies that have been accused of spreading disinformation.
Musk has spent the past week interacting online with conservative Brazilians whose accounts have been banned by Moraes — a group that has long sought his attention. In the United States, meanwhile, congressional Republicans, who have long sparred with tech giants over online censorship, have subpoenaed X’s records related to its operations in Brazil.
Musk’s politics form “a connective tissue between these far-right figures and movements,” said Emerson Brooking, a disinformation researcher with the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council. “He is globalizing America’s culture wars.”
Over the weekend, X walked back Musk’s challenge, telling the court in a letter it would continue to comply with all of its orders, according to a copy obtained by The Washington Post.
Musk has not commented publicly on the reversal. X declined to comment.
Musk remains a target of Moraes’s investigation, according to a Supreme Court official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity under rules set by the court. That probe goes beyond X’s content moderation policies into whether Musk is part of an organized threat to the country’s democracy.
Differing definitions of free speech
In Brazil, Latin America’s largest democracy, internet users spend an average of more than nine hours a day online, according to the market research firm Kepios. They enjoy freedom of expression, but it’s not an absolute right.
In the United States, the First Amendment guarantees Americans wide latitude to speak publicly. In Brazil, hate speech and using disinformation to attack people or democracy are crimes.
Bolsonaro and his supporters have strained those limits with misinformation about the coronavirus, unfounded allegations against the electoral system and digital invective. Many who have posted such material have come under investigation by Moraes.
The judge ordered one blogger arrested for allegedly spreading anti-democratic ideas and committing crimes against honor. He ordered the arrest and censure of a federal congressman for calling for a new AI-5, a notorious decree from Brazil’s 20th-century dictatorship that curtailed political freedoms and consolidated the military’s hold on power.
People who have had their social media accounts blocked have also had assets frozen — sometimes, they say, with no explanation of what they did wrong. As a consequence, some have relocated to the United States.
These efforts have drawn criticism not only from the right, but also from tech companies and advocates for free speech. Musk says Moraes has gone too far.
Rolling back the rules
Twitter once enjoyed a reputation for fighting harder than others against demands by foreign governments to censor domestic activists and dissidents. It sued India and Turkey to protect content that was critical of their leaders.
In the United States, the company policed content on coronavirus misinformation and election falsehoods.
But when Musk bought the company in the fall of 2022, he argued that any content should be permitted unless it was expressly illegal. In his first months as chief executive, he rolled back rules against misinformation and restored thousands of banned accounts.
He also began taking steps, including charging for verification and engaging certain users, that have had the effect of boosting the visibility of conservative and right-wing accounts.
The platform’s record since then has been mixed. On the eve of Turkish elections last year, X complied with the demand of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to restrict accounts. The company reportedly blocked the accounts of more than 100 activists and journalists at the Indian government’s request.
“Musk’s X is willing to comply and censor people much more than Twitter ever did,” Brooking said. In Brazil, “Musk has found a cause that lets him articulate his twisted vision of free speech: Not free speech for democratic activists, or for regular people, but for people who share his politics.”
‘Why are you doing this …?’
Moraes wasn’t always a villain to the Brazilian right. He was appointed to the Supreme Court in 2017 by conservative President Michel Temer.
But in a country haunted by the military dictatorship of 1964 to 1985, the rise of Bolsonaro, an open admirer of the regime, changed everything.
As president during the coronavirus pandemic, he dismissed concerns about the coronavirus, railed against vaccinations and pushed unproven treatments.
For more than a year leading up to the 2022 election, a polarizing choice between Bolsonaro and leftist former president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Bolsonaristas pushed doubts about electronic voting systems in a strategy that mirrored Donald Trump’s unfounded accusations in 2020.
Before the vote, Moraes sought an expanded interpretation of the election court’s authority to investigate, censor and prosecute people suspected of undermining public institutions. The Supreme Court granted him the power to order the immediate removal of problematic content — and fine or suspend companies that did not comply.
The effort has drawn criticism.
The court effectively “changed its stance” from having once protected speech to now controlling speech, said constitutional lawyer André Mardiglia, who has represented a magazine that was censored by Moraes. “We understand ourselves to be a democracy, but we do not have the freedom of expression that full democracies have.”
After Bolsonaro’s loss, thousands of his supporters stormed federal buildings in Brasília in January 2023 in what some said was an effort to overturn the election. Moraes called for stronger regulations on social media companies. Two right-leaning platforms, Rumble and its subsidiary Locals, have since pulled out of Brazil.
In another parallel with Trump, Bolsonaro skipped Lula’s inauguration and traveled to Florida, where he discussed online speech with Trump strategist Stephen K. Bannon and others, deepening ties with the American far right.
When Musk took control of Twitter, Brazilian conservative influencers who had been targeted by Moraes saw an opportunity. They tweeted at Musk for help.
Musk asked staff to look into their claims, according to a person familiar with the discussion, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it. They concluded that reinstating accounts that had been banned by court order would violate Brazilian law.
Then last week, the company’s government affairs team posted that it had been “forced by court decisions to block certain popular accounts” in Brazil, but could not say which ones and was not told why.
Musk followed with a question for Moraes: “Why are you doing this @alexandre?” Then in a cascade of tweets to his 180 million followers, he called the judge a “brutal dictator,” a “shame” and “Brazil’s Darth Vader.” He said he would be reinstating the accounts.
Moraes, in response, accused Musk of starting a disinformation campaign and coordinating with the digital militias that promoted the Jan. 8, 2023, riot.
Paulo Figueiredo, a Brazilian journalist and influencer based in Florida, said Moraes had censored his social media accounts, frozen his bank accounts and taken away his passport so he could not return to Brazil. He says he does not know why.
Until the Brasília riot, he was a popular commentator on Jovem Pan. The São Paulo-based radio network kicked him and other conservative commentators off the air after Jan. 8.
He now broadcasts from his home studio on seven different social channels and has tagged Musk on X several times in the past year.
In a recent post, Figueiredo urged the X owner to ignore Brazil’s restrictions. Last week, Musk finally responded: He agreed.
Figueiredo called Musk’s new interest in Brazil “a complete game changer.”
Thiago de Aragão, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies who advises companies on risk in Latin America, warned that Musk’s fight has potential downsides for X and other tech companies.
“What’s going on in Brazil could inspire other countries to … ultimately become more restrictive,” he said.
The country, said Brooking of the Atlantic Council, could become an important cause for right-wing groups worldwide, including in the United States in an election year in which tech companies have largely retreated from policing misinformation.
“If you’ve built your career around Big Tech censorship … you have to find a new enemy somewhere.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/18/musk-moraes-brazil-free-speech/?
I see that the Australian Federal and NSW governments have aligned themselves with this side of the debate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see that the Australian Federal and NSW governments have aligned themselves with this side of the debate.
Oh dear
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see that the Australian Federal and NSW governments have aligned themselves with this side of the debate.
The stabbing video refusal?
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
sarahs mum said:
The Mercury Newspaper
1 h ·
Elon Musk has lashed out at Jacqui Lambie after she called him a “friggin’ disgrace” and deleted her X account.
No Foreign Interference Here
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Elon Musk is enemy no1 of the people.
Bring back Twitter.
permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
Australia started as a prison, its natural that the population just do what it’s told. I’ve watched for the last few decades as IQ and critical thinking has plunged. Expect more knife attacks.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
could be a case of “this is our tragedy and we want to own it to grieve. We don’t want voyeurs”
wookiemeister said:
Australia started as a prison, its natural that the population just do what it’s told. I’ve watched for the last few decades as IQ and critical thinking has plunged. Expect more knife attacks.
You wouldn’t recognize critical thinking if it ran you over with a Ukrainian tank.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
Politicians of all persuasions like to be at the top of the pile telling others what they can and cannot do. Elon Musk is outside their immediate level of authority of which they do not like one little bit and will try to destroy him if they cannot control him, plus if you can pick up some votes from a non-critical thinking public, so much the better.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
LOL
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The internet is very porous and restricting things globally will make the job of Australian law enforcement a hell of a lot easier. And what does it achieve for foreigners to have the ability to see the footage?
The law might be overreach but that is to be determined in a court of law. The free speech argument is ludicrous since we’re not talking about speech but instead inflammatory violent imagery that is to be removed from Twitter etc.
The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
Then again, there is the principle that multinational businesses who want to operate in Australia need to do so within the laws of Australia.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:The George Floyd video was inflammatory violent imagery. It’s not about this particular footage. One of the great advantages of a world full of nation states is that they can regulate each other. What is happening now endangers that.
It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:It was the law in the US that the George Floyd footage not be restricted. It might be the law in Australia that the posting of terrorist imagery in this case is restricted. Nation-states eh. And what of kiddie porn? Are we to allow others nations to give it free reign?
Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:Like I said, I have no problem with the Aus government banning this footage in Australia. My problem is that they wish to dictate to the rest of the world.
If a nation decides to allow child porn, I would hope Australia and all other nations would ban it locally. But we don’t have a say on the age of consent in other nations. If France, for example, wants age of consent to be fifteen and allows it’s citizens to view videos of 16 year olds having sex we can complain about it, but we can’t make laws which enforce an 18+ rule in France. We can find it distasteful, gross, immoral, whatever, but we can’t make it illegal in France.
The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Kingy said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:The intention is to restrict the footage on global sites that also operate in Australia. It’s not about declaring what is legal or illegal in other countries. A website with no Australian presence could freely show the video especially if it had the support of foreign governments.
As I said this will be decided in a court of law and will be watched closely across the world.
It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
esselte said:It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
Yet so many prominent people frequently indulge in it.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
esselte said:It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
Yet so many prominent people frequently indulge in it.
party_pants said:
Kingy said:
esselte said:It has been restricted in Australia. X (FKA Twitter) has restricted the viewing of the stabbing in Australia. They’ve complied with local laws. That should be the end of it.
The website of “free speech” has banned a friend of mine for merely suggesting that another person doesn’t often get called smart by his friends.
Free speech my arse.
Free speech out of the arse is still a social taboo.
Yes, political hot air is frowned upon in public.
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:permeatefree “You have made a powerful enemy today”
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The stabbed Bishop wants the video to stay online.
roughbarked said:
esselte said:
PermeateFree said:
Lambie is no longer an independent but a party leader and getting votes for that party takes priority over other things that do not. As far as politicians go, Musk is expendable, and being seen to take down a tall billionaire poppy is a win, win situation in Australia with no downside.
Although I’m not a dirty Musk defender like permeatefree (jk, I appreciate different opinions), I have to say the general tenor that’s emerging in the Australian public and politicians behind this one has me baffled and I appreciate Musk taking a stance against this.
I’m fine with the stabbing video being restricted for Australian users, but where the hell does the Aus government get the idea it can restrict what is available in other countries come from?
Can the Chinese government make laws which will stop footage of the next Tianemen Square massacre from appearing on social media? Can the USA make laws for a worldwide ban on the next George Floyd video? Can Israel make laws which will globally ban images from a devastated Gaza? Can Russia forbid images of missiles raining down on Kyiv?
I’m finding this more than a little disturbing, not just the Position of the government, but also that it seems like most Aussies don’t have a problem with that position.
The stabbed Bishop wants the video to stay online.
Well yeah violent right wing extremists would want to publish inflammatory material.
“If somebody doesn’t believe Tesla’s going to solve autonomy, I think they should not be an investor in the company,” Musk said on Tuesday’s earnings call.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-28/jacinda-ardern-christchurch-call-esafety-commissioner-elon-musk/103765202
After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-28/jacinda-ardern-christchurch-call-esafety-commissioner-elon-musk/103765202After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pm
Enjoy!
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pmEnjoy!
Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
After the Christchurch attacks, Twitter made a deal with Jacinda Ardern over violent content. Elon Musk changed everything
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pmEnjoy!
Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:PermeateFree said:
You will be pleased to know that you can watch the actual man tonight on channel 31
8:30 pm
Elon Musk’s Twitter Takeover
10:40 pmEnjoy!
Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:Good idea, please do go and enjoy it and then post the transcript here, thanks.
Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Just thought you haters would like some actual facts, but typically you are just noise and content with your preconceived opinions.
That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
I’m sure mr musk will tell us all about how fabulous he is.
He won’t be biased at all.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Kingy said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That article from the ABC is erroneous? What do you base that on?
Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
I’m sure mr musk will tell us all about how fabulous he is.
He won’t be biased at all.
Just watch the program instead of making all these stupid statements. You might even learn something.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Don’t think the haters are concerned about the content, only that it says something nasty about Musk. Well, you can see the man himself now and I feel sure he will cover the reasons for his changes to Twitter, thereby permitting you to make a more realistic judgement rather than relying on cherry picked facts and bias reasoning.
Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
personally i think the australian government trying to ban these things being accessible in other countries rather fruitless. Sure they can still be accessed here and with the technology today it is easy to circumvent. It would be nice if the media companies had a little more social responsibility in these matters.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Maybe you could do the same and hopefully replace your rose-colored glasses with some objectivity.
I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:I am just defending an exceptionally talented person from the constant mud throwing haters. Anyway, don’t believe me just watch the program.
Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
JudgeMental said:
personally i think the australian government trying to ban these things being accessible in other countries rather fruitless. Sure they can still be accessed here and with the technology today it is easy to circumvent. It would be nice if the media companies had a little more social responsibility in these matters.
You are far too sensible and realistic for social media.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Exceptionally talented at losing Twitter millions of users and $20B worth of shareholders’ value?
If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:If that was the case it must make you doubly mad that he can afford to what he likes, which includes the big finger to all his dissenters.
Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Why would I be mad about not being an idiot? You really are a grovelling sycophant.
Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Do you shit in your pants too?
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Easily seen why Musk would not take the slightest notice of you or your comments.
Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Do you shit in your pants too?
Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Yes you’re right. He is an idiot.
Do you shit in your pants too?
Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Go and shit somewhere else. The program is starting for those who have open minds.
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:Do you shit in your pants too?
Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Go and shit somewhere else. The program is starting for those who have open minds.
Have you taken off your pants and taken out the lube?
Witty Rejoinder said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Hah. Don’t start crying because you’ve come to realise how stupid Musk is.
Go and shit somewhere else. The program is starting for those who have open minds.
Have you taken off your pants and taken out the lube?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/29/elon-musk-twitter-x-takeover-review-the-billionaire-is-laughably-grandiose-at-times
a review.
Did you enjoy the article, PermeateFree? I know you like to stay up-to-date.
dv said:
Did you enjoy the article, PermeateFree? I know you like to stay up-to-date.
Yes I did, although much was commonly known but it displayed a highly complex individual in a highly complex environment. The review Boris posted did not include the part with him meeting international leaders and the comment made that since he purchased Twitter, they pay him greater attention as it has given him political power, which in his other business interests like Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, etc. is extremely useful.
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
SCIENCE said:
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
So we’re waiting for the facts and not just bullshitartistry about the facts, let’s see them.
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
silly boy
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
Had you bothered watching the documentary you could now speak with some authority and dazzle us with your brilliant assessment, but instead we get the same old dull remarks with no thought or effort used to construct them. Such a waste!
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
silly boy
So you don’t have facts to state fine we accept the admission.
SCIENCE said:
PermeateFree said:
SCIENCE said:
We don’t have time to waste like that so either put up the goods or shut up about the facts that you aren’t contributing.
silly boy
So you don’t have facts to state fine we accept the admission.
sb
Someone shared a sus xweet from EM this morn so I checked out his xwitter account… couldn’t find it so either it was fake or he deleted. What I did find was just a solid wall of fasc.
dv said:
Someone shared a sus xweet from EM this morn so I checked out his xwitter account… couldn’t find it so either it was fake or he deleted. What I did find was just a solid wall of fasc.
What does fasc. mean?
Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter, now known as X, left the company’s Australian outpost riddled with under-investment as it defends itself against the Labor government in a free speech row over the Wakeley church stabbing.
Twitter’s Australian operation reported just $3.4 million in revenue in the first half of 2023, plunging more than 80 per cent, new documents filed with the corporate regulator show, representing its final submission before being taken private.
The platform, which Statista estimates has about 4 million users in Australia, paid its international parent $2.9 million in January this year, but it is expected it will be wound up before the end of 2024.
Twitter was absorbed by Mr Musk’s X Holdings II company and delisted from the New York Stock Exchange in October 2022. The chief executive of SpaceX and Tesla, Mr Musk paid $US44 billion for Twitter.
He cut roughly 80 per cent of Twitter’s staff over the months that followed, as well as most other costs. In the chaos and controversy, many advertisers pulled advertising from X.
Mr Musk, who has been battling with the Australian government and eSafety commissioner over allowing violent videos on the platform, told them to “go f—- yourself”.
The alleged attack on a bishop in western Sydney was deemed an act of terrorism and commissioner Julie Inman Grant sought Federal Court action to force X to take down 65 postings of graphic footage.
She is seeking to do that under the powers the parliament granted her – under the Morrison government – in the Online Safety Act in 2021.
Undesirable business
A glimpse into the Australian entity presents an undesirable business. With $3.4 million in revenue, Twitter Australia Holdings spent $1.2 million on sales and marketing, $285,000 on administration, $99,000 on research and development, and $21,000 on anything else.
Its operating profit for the first six months of 2023 was $1.9 million – almost all of which went to the tax office. Its net profit was $4804.
Salaries were slashed 87 per cent, to $1.2 million from $9 million. Bonuses were cut to $258,000 from $1.4 million – an 82 per cent fall. Marketing expenses were cut 93 per cent, to just $61,000 from $821,000.
Facilities expenses were slashed by 99 per cent to just $2880 – after the axe fell, most employees were working from home. Link
It even saved thousands of dollars on its audit bill by switching from KPMG Australia to RSM Australia Partners, which billed $25,500 in 2023.
Twitter paid $1.5 million as a dividend to its parent in 2023, and the financial statements said it paid $2.9 million in January 2024. After paying more than $1 million to its executives in 2022, and despite having a listed managing director for Australia (Angus Keene), there were no “key management personnel” identified in 2023.
Small player
Twitter has always been a relatively tiny part of the Australian advertising landscape. In 2021, Twitter made $14.8 million in revenue in an advertising market worth $19.7 billion, according to PwC estimates. Link
Twitter’s cash flows reveal it received $8.2 million in receipts over the half, down from the 2022 calendar year’s $21.6 million.
The local company reported “no revenue generating activities” from July 1 last year, being in the process of winding up. The financials lodged with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission were prepared on “a non-going-concern basis”.
“Twitter Australia Holdings Pty Ltd has ceased all revenue generating activities effective from 1 July 2023 and is expected to deregister the company in 2024.”
RCR
Tesla’s shares have jumped after reports the company owed by billionaire Elon Musk has cleared an important regulatory hurdle in China by partnering with search giant Baidu. A deal with Baidu brings Mr Musk a step closer to rolling out Tesla’s self-driving technology in China, where the electric car manufacturer has been hoping to launch autonomous driving. Mr Musk made a surprise visit to meet one of China’s leaders, Premier Li Qiang.
Elon Musk: 3 years to Bankruptcy
By Thunderf00t
– Ouch!
Spiny Norman said:
Elon Musk: 3 years to Bankruptcy
By Thunderf00t – Ouch!
LOL
dv said:
dv said:
He prefers the master/slave relationship but he doesn’t want to admit it out loud.
Kingy said:
dv said:
He prefers the master/slave relationship but he doesn’t want to admit it out loud.
‘Don’t be bossy’: What to say to a friend who tells you they’re experiencing DV
Kingy said:
dv said:
He prefers the master/slave relationship but he doesn’t want to admit it out loud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sctgA2qa-rA
Elon Musk: I disagree with the idea of unions
dv said:
Lord Elon is so insightful.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Lord Elon is so insightful.
having or showing an accurate and deep understanding; perceptive.
;-)
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Lord Elon is so insightful.
having or showing an accurate and deep understanding; perceptive.
;-)
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
