Date: 28/07/2023 13:23:41
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058791
Subject: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere


Records for high temperatures tumbled across the globe during July.

The United Nations has warned “humanity is in the hot seat”, with July almost certain to be Earth’s hottest month in recorded history.

Data published by the UN’s and the EU’s top climate agencies, the World Meteorological Organization and Copernicus respectively, shows the average temperature for the first three weeks of July is tracking significantly higher than the current record set in 2019.

It also found 21 of Earth’s 30 hottest individual days on record have occurred this month.


UN Secretary-General António Guterres said in a speech streamed Thursday night that “short of a mini ice age” over coming days, July 2023 would shatter records across the board.

“Climate change is here. It is terrifying, and it is just the beginning,” he said.

“The era of global warming has ended. The era of global boiling has arrived.

“The consequences are clear and they are tragic — children swept away by monsoon rains, families running from the flames, workers collapsing in scorching heat.

“For vast parts of North America, Asia, Africa and Europe, it is a cruel summer.

“For the entire planet, it is a disaster.”

A separate analysis for the month, published Friday by Leipzig University climate scientist Karsten Haustein, has estimated July will finish 0.2 degrees Celsius warmer than the 2019 record.

Dr Haustein said not only would that make it the warmest month on record, but potentially in “thousands if not tens of thousands of years”.

“We may have to go back all the way to the Eemian warm period (about 120,000 years ago) to find similarly warm conditions,” he said.

“But since paleo-temperature records do not provide high enough temporal resolution, we cannot say with certainty that this July hasn’t been hotter during the peak of the current interglacial .”


Red cross workers in Italy assist Antonio, a homeless man who fainted because of the heat.

The July temperature is a worldwide average, meaning certain parts of the globe are feeling exceptional bouts of heat.

This includes repeated and intense heatwaves across southern Europe, South-East Asia, northern Africa and the United States.

They have shattered records and fuelled wildfires in Greece, Canada and Algeria.


China recorded a record-high temperature on July 16.

Among them, Sanbao weather station in Turpan city in China’s Xinjiang province recorded a temperature of 52.2C on July 16, setting a new national temperature record — according to a report by the China Meteorological Administration.

Global sea surface temperatures have also hit new records.

Even Antarctica, which is in the middle of its winter, has contributed to the record with unusually high temperatures.

University of New South Wales climate scientist Associate Professor Sarah Perkins-Kirkpatrick said there was only so much heat humans could cope with.

“We’re talking about temperatures of mid-40s or higher almost every day for parts of the heatwave over places like Italy and Greece,” she said.

“That’s abhorrent. That’s really hard to cope with. It doesn’t matter who you are or how fit you are.”

The blame for the record-heat has been pointed firmly at rising greenhouse gas emissions for exacerbating the earth’s natural warming forces.

“It’s likely that these heatwaves probably would have occurred this summer but they wouldn’t have lasted as long, or be as intense climate change,” Dr Perkins-Kirkpatrick said.


IPCC vice chair Dr Mark Howden warned an emerging El Niño could exacerbate matters.

Institute for Climate, Energy and Disaster Solutions director Mark Howden said what was worrying was the fact El Niño had not fully kicked in yet.

The localised impacts of the major climate driver vary from country to country, but overall bring warmer-than-normal global average temperatures.

“The worrying thing here is that we have a very warm summer across the Northern Hemisphere but the effects of the emerging El Niño haven’t really been seen yet in terms of global temperatures,” Dr Howden said.

“So when that does start to cut in, and it could well do over the next few months, we’ll see a continuation of that hot weather.

“So I think we’re in for a very extended hot period across the globe.”

For Australia, it may offer a glimpse into the type of weather to come this summer.

Dr Perkins-Kirkpatrick said it was hard to draw a direct comparison between the heat currently in the Northern Hemisphere and what was in store for the Australian summer because of the role of local weather systems.

“The worrying thing here is that we have a very warm summer across the Northern Hemisphere but the effects of the emerging El Niño haven’t really been seen yet in terms of global temperatures,” Dr Howden said.

“So when that does start to cut in, and it could well do over the next few months, we’ll see a continuation of that hot weather.

“So I think we’re in for a very extended hot period across the globe.”

For Australia, it may offer a glimpse into the type of weather to come this summer.

Dr Perkins-Kirkpatrick said it was hard to draw a direct comparison between the heat currently in the Northern Hemisphere and what was in store for the Australian summer because of the role of local weather systems.


Residents of countries like Egypt are doing their best to stay cool during the July heatwaves.

But she said the underlying trends were the same.

“Just because they’re having this obscene, record-breaking heat that is so relentless doesn’t mean we will see precisely the same conditions in our summer,” Dr Perkins-Kirkpatrick said.

“What is happening though, Europe is seeing these increasing heatwave trends because of climate change, and we’re also seeing these increasing heatwave trends because of climate change.”

Further, faster climate action needed
The month of unenviable records has been met with a blunt message from the climate scientists about the need to reduce carbon emissions quickly, and to better prepare for what’s to come.

“It’s actually really frightening to see the images out of Greece at the moment,” Dr Perkins-Kirkpatrick said.

“What happened three years ago isn’t just a one off. It’s happening everywhere and will continue to happen.

“I really don’t think we’re prepared for what’s to come.”


UN Secretary-General António Guterres says the heat experienced across the globe is “unbearable”.

In his speech, Mr Guterres called for further and faster climate action, including new national emissions reductions targets from G20 members and “a global surge” in adaptation investment.

“The air is unbreathable, the heat is unbearable, and the level of fossil fuel profits and climate inaction is unacceptable,” he said.

“We have seen some progress — robust rollout of renewables, some positive steps from sectors such as shipping — but none of this is going far enough or fast enough.

“Accelerating temperatures demand accelerated action.

“The level of fossil fuel profits and climate inaction is unacceptable. Leaders must lead.

“No more hesitancy, no more excuses, no more waiting for others to move first.

“There is simply no more time for that. It is still possible to meet, to limit global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius and avoid the very worst of climate change, but only with dramatic, immediate climate action.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-27/july-likely-hottest-month-record-united-nations-climate-change/102654812

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Date: 28/07/2023 13:27:53
From: OCDC
ID: 2058795
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

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Date: 28/07/2023 13:28:53
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2058797
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

OCDC said:

TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

That’s what we read.

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Date: 28/07/2023 13:37:41
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058805
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

OCDC said:


TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

Being mid-summer in the northern hemisphere would be a big factor, as would be the location of most of the major co2 emitters.

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Date: 28/07/2023 13:41:31
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2058808
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:

OCDC said:

TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

Being mid-summer in the northern hemisphere would be a big factor, as would be the location of most of the major co2 emitters.

CO2 stays where it’s emitted¡

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Date: 28/07/2023 14:11:57
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058829
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

OCDC said:

TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

Being mid-summer in the northern hemisphere would be a big factor, as would be the location of most of the major co2 emitters.

CO2 stays where it’s emitted¡

No, but it takes time to circulate to the southern hemisphere.

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Date: 28/07/2023 14:27:27
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2058836
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Being mid-summer in the northern hemisphere would be a big factor, as would be the location of most of the major co2 emitters.

CO2 stays where it’s emitted¡

No, but it takes time to circulate to the southern hemisphere.

Right, as does thermal energy, that’s what causes seasons.

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Date: 28/07/2023 14:30:58
From: transition
ID: 2058839
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

what’s a bit of thermal runaway between friends, the joy of it is that the responsibility diluted into eight billion people is so certain to be effective at dealing with the situation

what can’t eight billion people achieve when they put their collective efforts into whatever

and the really good news is there will be plenty of news, endless news, endless disasters, no shortage of entertainments

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Date: 28/07/2023 14:32:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2058843
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

White paint

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Date: 28/07/2023 14:35:29
From: roughbarked
ID: 2058847
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

wookiemeister said:


White paint

You’d have to paint an area the size of two or three Western Australias.

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Date: 28/07/2023 15:32:51
From: dv
ID: 2058864
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

OCDC said:


TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

That, plus the “thermal inertia” of the Antarctic ice sheet is like an order of magnitude larger than that in the Arctic (ie the Greenland ice sheets, Biscayarfonna and Vatnajökull etc).

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Date: 28/07/2023 15:34:46
From: OCDC
ID: 2058867
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

dv said:

OCDC said:
TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

That, plus the “thermal inertia” of the Antarctic ice sheet is like an order of magnitude larger than that in the Arctic (ie the Greenland ice sheets, Biscayarfonna and Vatnajökull etc).
Ta.

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Date: 28/07/2023 15:58:16
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058876
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

dv said:

OCDC said:


TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

That, plus the “thermal inertia” of the Antarctic ice sheet is like an order of magnitude larger than that in the Arctic (ie the Greenland ice sheets, Biscayarfonna and Vatnajökull etc).

>>The Arctic is warming much faster than the rest of the planet and the loss of reflective ice contributes somewhere between 30-50% of Earth’s global heating. This rapid loss of ice affects the polar jet stream, a concentrated pathway of air in the upper atmosphere which drives the weather patterns across the northern hemisphere.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:01:06
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058879
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:


dv said:

OCDC said:


TL; DR

Why is July the hottest month? Is it because of larger land mass in the north absorbing heat, and more ice in the south reflecting heat?

That, plus the “thermal inertia” of the Antarctic ice sheet is like an order of magnitude larger than that in the Arctic (ie the Greenland ice sheets, Biscayarfonna and Vatnajökull etc).

>>The Arctic is warming much faster than the rest of the planet and the loss of reflective ice contributes somewhere between 30-50% of Earth’s global heating. This rapid loss of ice affects the polar jet stream, a concentrated pathway of air in the upper atmosphere which drives the weather patterns across the northern hemisphere.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:06:41
From: Cymek
ID: 2058882
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:10:16
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2058883
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Cymek said:


If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

Without the weight of the ice it would rise up to become a green wonderland.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:12:46
From: Cymek
ID: 2058884
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

Without the weight of the ice it would rise up to become a green wonderland.

I’m wondering if a subset of humanity would actually like the ice to melt to see what happens plus all that land and it’s resources to exploit.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:20:02
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2058888
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Cymek said:


If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

The Arctic would be an ocean but most of Antarctica would be land.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:21:37
From: dv
ID: 2058890
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Cymek said:


If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

In the short term, yeah, though Antarctica would rebound somewhat over the course of tens of thousands of years. Note though that there’s no prospect of all the ice in Antarctica melting.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:21:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2058891
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Cymek said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

Without the weight of the ice it would rise up to become a green wonderland.

I’m wondering if a subset of humanity would actually like the ice to melt to see what happens plus all that land and it’s resources to exploit.

rubs hands

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:28:32
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058896
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

dv said:


Cymek said:

If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

In the short term, yeah, though Antarctica would rebound somewhat over the course of tens of thousands of years. Note though that there’s no prospect of all the ice in Antarctica melting.

It has been ice-free in the past, who knows how GW will end.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:31:59
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058897
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Peak Warming Man said:


Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Without the weight of the ice it would rise up to become a green wonderland.

I’m wondering if a subset of humanity would actually like the ice to melt to see what happens plus all that land and it’s resources to exploit.

rubs hands

I think you will find many unexpected problems developing, like ancient virus and bacteria strains reappearing as the permafrost melts.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:35:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2058899
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

I’m wondering if a subset of humanity would actually like the ice to melt to see what happens plus all that land and it’s resources to exploit.

rubs hands

I think you will find many unexpected problems developing, like ancient virus and bacteria strains reappearing as the permafrost melts.

The boffins will make a vaccine.

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Date: 28/07/2023 16:38:51
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2058903
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Cymek said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

Without the weight of the ice it would rise up to become a green wonderland.

I’m wondering if a subset of humanity would actually like the ice to melt to see what happens plus all that land and it’s resources to exploit.

As is already happening within the Arctic circle as permafrost melts and vegetation gives off co2 and/or methane it forms many small lakes, how these evolve I do not know, but global warming will only become worse (far worse).

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Date: 28/07/2023 17:38:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 2058944
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:


PermeateFree said:

dv said:

That, plus the “thermal inertia” of the Antarctic ice sheet is like an order of magnitude larger than that in the Arctic (ie the Greenland ice sheets, Biscayarfonna and Vatnajökull etc).

>>The Arctic is warming much faster than the rest of the planet and the loss of reflective ice contributes somewhere between 30-50% of Earth’s global heating. This rapid loss of ice affects the polar jet stream, a concentrated pathway of air in the upper atmosphere which drives the weather patterns across the northern hemisphere.


That’s been getting worse each year of late.

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Date: 28/07/2023 17:39:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 2058945
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Cymek said:


If the ice covering the Arctic and Antarctic melted most of the land underneath would be covered by water wouldn’t it.

Not the Antarctic. I don’t believe there is land under the Arctic.

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Date: 28/07/2023 19:11:32
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2058996
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

LOL

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Date: 28/07/2023 19:13:45
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2058998
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

SCIENCE said:

LOL


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Date: 28/07/2023 19:24:13
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2059009
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL



No doubt about it, you set the record for the dumbest member ever in the history of this forum. Well done SCIENCE, you win, just think about it. Nobody is dumber than you.

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Date: 28/07/2023 19:30:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2059015
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL



No doubt about it, you set the record for the dumbest member ever in the history of this forum. Well done SCIENCE, you win, just think about it. Nobody is dumber than you.

So genius tell us what all those numbers mean and stop being an arsehole oh wait you probably can’t even do one of the requests in this sentence.

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Date: 28/07/2023 19:33:46
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2059017
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:


No doubt about it, you set the record for the dumbest member ever in the history of this forum. Well done SCIENCE, you win, just think about it. Nobody is dumber than you.

So genius tell us what all those numbers mean and stop being an arsehole oh wait you probably can’t even do one of the requests in this sentence.

Stupid boy.

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Date: 28/07/2023 19:43:54
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2059019
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

LOL



No doubt about it, you set the record for the dumbest member ever in the history of this forum. Well done SCIENCE, you win, just think about it. Nobody is dumber than you.

So genius tell us what all those numbers mean and stop being an arsehole oh wait you probably can’t even do one of the requests in this sentence.

Stupid boy.

Go on then you arsehole explain what the numbers mean.

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Date: 28/07/2023 19:56:17
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2059026
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

So genius tell us what all those numbers mean and stop being an arsehole oh wait you probably can’t even do one of the requests in this sentence.

Stupid boy.

Go on then you arsehole explain what the numbers mean.

Go away you stupid boy. We accept you are the top dumb-arse, so we don’t need you to continually underline the fact.

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Date: 28/07/2023 20:25:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2059034
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:

SCIENCE said:

PermeateFree said:

Stupid boy.

Go on then you arsehole explain what the numbers mean.

Go away you stupid boy. We accept you are the top dumb-arse, so we don’t need you to continually underline the fact.

Which facked ¿

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Date: 29/07/2023 10:05:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2059149
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

SCIENCE said:

LOL


On one weather site the other day it read: 100% chance of zero rain.

I had never seen it written that way.

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Date: 31/07/2023 20:08:52
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2060102
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

White paint keeps urban areas cooler

There’s a new law in NSW i think that mandates that new houses MUST have white roofs. It keeps the house cooler meaning less energy is used to cool it.

They should probably make the eaves on houses wider so the walls remain out of the sun for longer hours.

Making small but concrete and long lasting, achievable changes that bring immediate benefit is the low hanging fruitin this equation

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Date: 31/07/2023 20:14:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2060108
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/07/27/remarks-by-president-biden-on-actions-to-protect-communities-from-extreme-heat/

The yanks are going to try and paint their roofs white

Maybe we could get that going here too. ALL new houses must have white roofs ( and ideally walls) ?? You could off off colour for the walls or it will very blinding during the day.

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Date: 31/07/2023 20:18:47
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2060109
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

wookiemeister said:


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/07/27/remarks-by-president-biden-on-actions-to-protect-communities-from-extreme-heat/

ALL new houses must have white roofs ( and ideally walls) ??

Yep, walls are important.

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Date: 31/07/2023 20:20:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2060111
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Peak Warming Man said:


wookiemeister said:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/07/27/remarks-by-president-biden-on-actions-to-protect-communities-from-extreme-heat/

ALL new houses must have white roofs ( and ideally walls) ??

Yep, walls are important.

Well biden works in the WHITEhouse.

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Date: 31/07/2023 20:34:46
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2060126
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

wookiemeister said:


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/07/27/remarks-by-president-biden-on-actions-to-protect-communities-from-extreme-heat/

The yanks are going to try and paint their roofs white

Maybe we could get that going here too. ALL new houses must have white roofs ( and ideally walls) ?? You could off off colour for the walls or it will very blinding during the day.

Must admit that the new blackish colorbond roofing they have been pushing on TV seemed to be going the wrong way, with those who bought it although stylish, will regret it in summer.

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Date: 3/08/2023 20:45:04
From: party_pants
ID: 2061228
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Not sure if this is the right thread, but Bejing has set new records for rainfall in 72 hours.

Some stations recording over 1000mm in 72 hours, and lots more recording over 500.

The city is flooded badly, there will be hundreds of deaths. Cars floating down strrets into the river etc. Some rather shocking footage around.

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Date: 3/08/2023 20:46:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2061229
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

party_pants said:


Not sure if this is the right thread, but Bejing has set new records for rainfall in 72 hours.

Some stations recording over 1000mm in 72 hours, and lots more recording over 500.

The city is flooded badly, there will be hundreds of deaths. Cars floating down strrets into the river etc. Some rather shocking footage around.


China is always hit by floods

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Date: 4/08/2023 16:13:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2061435
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Mid-winter temperatures above 35 degrees Celsius in South America leave climatologists in disbelief
By weather reporter Tyne Logan

Climate scientists have been left “flabbergasted” as temperatures in parts of South America near 40 degrees Celsius in the middle of what is supposed to be its winter.

Data from Chile’s national meteorological agency, Dirección Meteorológica de Chile, shows several weather stations in the country reached temperatures above 35C on August 1.

This is between 10C and 20C above what is normal for this time of year in parts of Chile and Argentina, according to data from the European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF).

Read more:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102678662

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Date: 4/08/2023 16:38:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2061442
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Witty Rejoinder said:


Mid-winter temperatures above 35 degrees Celsius in South America leave climatologists in disbelief
By weather reporter Tyne Logan

Climate scientists have been left “flabbergasted” as temperatures in parts of South America near 40 degrees Celsius in the middle of what is supposed to be its winter.

Data from Chile’s national meteorological agency, Dirección Meteorológica de Chile, shows several weather stations in the country reached temperatures above 35C on August 1.

This is between 10C and 20C above what is normal for this time of year in parts of Chile and Argentina, according to data from the European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF).

Read more:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102678662

Yeah.

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Date: 8/08/2023 09:45:40
From: dv
ID: 2062761
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

This is probably fine

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Date: 8/08/2023 09:48:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2062763
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Just noticed that this week’s New Scientist has an article about a region in the South Pacific where the water temperatures are falling.

I’ll report back when I have read it.

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Date: 8/08/2023 11:18:38
From: dv
ID: 2062791
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

The Rev Dodgson said:


Just noticed that this week’s New Scientist has an article about a region in the South Pacific where the water temperatures are falling.

I’ll report back when I have read it.

I mean it’s winter in the South Pacific so yeah I guess that checks out. Or is this a more long term trend?

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Date: 8/08/2023 11:22:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2062794
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Just noticed that this week’s New Scientist has an article about a region in the South Pacific where the water temperatures are falling.

I’ll report back when I have read it.

I mean it’s winter in the South Pacific so yeah I guess that checks out. Or is this a more long term trend?

It may be that they don’t know that yet.

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Date: 8/08/2023 11:24:17
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2062795
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Just noticed that this week’s New Scientist has an article about a region in the South Pacific where the water temperatures are falling.

I’ll report back when I have read it.

I mean it’s winter in the South Pacific so yeah I guess that checks out. Or is this a more long term trend?

I presume they are talking about long term trends, but I haven’t read it yet.

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Date: 8/08/2023 11:25:52
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2062796
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just noticed that this week’s New Scientist has an article about a region in the South Pacific where the water temperatures are falling.

I’ll report back when I have read it.

I mean it’s winter in the South Pacific so yeah I guess that checks out. Or is this a more long term trend?

I presume they are talking about long term trends, but I haven’t read it yet.

Well done. Commenting before reading is the forum way. :-)

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Date: 8/08/2023 11:26:55
From: roughbarked
ID: 2062797
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Witty Rejoinder said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I mean it’s winter in the South Pacific so yeah I guess that checks out. Or is this a more long term trend?

I presume they are talking about long term trends, but I haven’t read it yet.

Well done. Commenting before reading is the forum way. :-)

Get points for that.

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Date: 8/08/2023 11:29:36
From: dv
ID: 2062801
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just noticed that this week’s New Scientist has an article about a region in the South Pacific where the water temperatures are falling.

I’ll report back when I have read it.

I mean it’s winter in the South Pacific so yeah I guess that checks out. Or is this a more long term trend?

I presume they are talking about long term trends, but I haven’t read it yet.

Disappointing behaviour. Update us when complete

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Date: 9/08/2023 08:11:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2063137
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I mean it’s winter in the South Pacific so yeah I guess that checks out. Or is this a more long term trend?

I presume they are talking about long term trends, but I haven’t read it yet.

Disappointing behaviour. Update us when complete

My apologies for reporting that I had noticed an article that I hadn’t read when I hadn’t read it.

I have read it now, so I hope it’s OK to report what the article said without having cross checked it with alternative sources.

It is about a region of the Pacific to the West of Ecuador for “thousands of kilometres”, known as “the cold tongue”, that has been cooling for the past 30 years.

The reason for the cooling was apparently thought to be just the combination of natural long-term cycles, but there now seems to be growing consensus that there is more to it.

A possibility is that it is due to increasing ice melt from Antartica, which it seems to me would be a pretty obvious place to look first, but apparently global climate models do not include the effect of melting ice from Antarctica, so no-one is really sure.

It seems pretty extraordinary to me to not include the effect of melting ice in long term models, but I’m not a climate scientist, so what would I know.

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Date: 9/08/2023 13:05:09
From: dv
ID: 2063229
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I presume they are talking about long term trends, but I haven’t read it yet.

Disappointing behaviour. Update us when complete

My apologies for reporting that I had noticed an article that I hadn’t read when I hadn’t read it.

I have read it now, so I hope it’s OK to report what the article said without having cross checked it with alternative sources.

It is about a region of the Pacific to the West of Ecuador for “thousands of kilometres”, known as “the cold tongue”, that has been cooling for the past 30 years.

The reason for the cooling was apparently thought to be just the combination of natural long-term cycles, but there now seems to be growing consensus that there is more to it.

A possibility is that it is due to increasing ice melt from Antartica, which it seems to me would be a pretty obvious place to look first, but apparently global climate models do not include the effect of melting ice from Antarctica, so no-one is really sure.

It seems pretty extraordinary to me to not include the effect of melting ice in long term models, but I’m not a climate scientist, so what would I know.

“ but apparently global climate models do not include the effect of melting ice from Antarctica”

This is not generally true.

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Date: 9/08/2023 14:40:52
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2063243
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Disappointing behaviour. Update us when complete

My apologies for reporting that I had noticed an article that I hadn’t read when I hadn’t read it.

I have read it now, so I hope it’s OK to report what the article said without having cross checked it with alternative sources.

It is about a region of the Pacific to the West of Ecuador for “thousands of kilometres”, known as “the cold tongue”, that has been cooling for the past 30 years.

The reason for the cooling was apparently thought to be just the combination of natural long-term cycles, but there now seems to be growing consensus that there is more to it.

A possibility is that it is due to increasing ice melt from Antartica, which it seems to me would be a pretty obvious place to look first, but apparently global climate models do not include the effect of melting ice from Antarctica, so no-one is really sure.

It seems pretty extraordinary to me to not include the effect of melting ice in long term models, but I’m not a climate scientist, so what would I know.

“ but apparently global climate models do not include the effect of melting ice from Antarctica”

This is not generally true.

Better tell New Scientist then.

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Date: 9/08/2023 14:43:57
From: dv
ID: 2063245
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

The Rev Dodgson said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

My apologies for reporting that I had noticed an article that I hadn’t read when I hadn’t read it.

I have read it now, so I hope it’s OK to report what the article said without having cross checked it with alternative sources.

It is about a region of the Pacific to the West of Ecuador for “thousands of kilometres”, known as “the cold tongue”, that has been cooling for the past 30 years.

The reason for the cooling was apparently thought to be just the combination of natural long-term cycles, but there now seems to be growing consensus that there is more to it.

A possibility is that it is due to increasing ice melt from Antartica, which it seems to me would be a pretty obvious place to look first, but apparently global climate models do not include the effect of melting ice from Antarctica, so no-one is really sure.

It seems pretty extraordinary to me to not include the effect of melting ice in long term models, but I’m not a climate scientist, so what would I know.

“ but apparently global climate models do not include the effect of melting ice from Antarctica”

This is not generally true.

Better tell New Scientist then.

Oh I dare say they got mail.

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Date: 9/08/2023 14:49:57
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2063248
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

Potent methane is leaking into our atmosphere from gas projects and coal mines across Australia. And mostly, it’s been happening undetected – until now.

My team has just led a specialist investigation into methane, to capture the widespread and previously invisible climate change impact of gas and coal production in Australia, with state-of-the-art technology.

At Santos, Origin and Jemena’s polluting facilities, we used an Optical Gas Imaging camera – one of the first of its kind in Australia – to detect and capture footage of methane’s infrared energy escaping from vents, pipelines and even into a river!


Image on the right is an example of what the OGI camera can reveal

Our findings substantiate concerns that Australia’s big emitters are apathetic when it comes to dangerous methane emissions that fuel climate change and extreme weather disasters.

We knew that Australia’s big polluters had been poorly monitored, under reported, and not held to nearly a high-enough standard on their methane emissions. But we couldn’t make it visible until we led this joint field trip with global non-profit, Clean Air Task Force.

Our investigation made the ‘invisible’ ‘visible’ and showed that fossil fuel projects across the country are leaking and venting this highly potent gas.

While short-lived compared to carbon dioxide, methane is far more potent in immediately fuelling global warming. So, reducing methane pollution is one of the quickest ways to slow climate change.

Newsletter from ACF
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Date: 9/08/2023 16:44:04
From: The-Spectator
ID: 2063268
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

PermeateFree said:


Potent methane is leaking into our atmosphere from gas projects and coal mines across Australia. And mostly, it’s been happening undetected – until now.

My team has just led a specialist investigation into methane, to capture the widespread and previously invisible climate change impact of gas and coal production in Australia, with state-of-the-art technology.

At Santos, Origin and Jemena’s polluting facilities, we used an Optical Gas Imaging camera – one of the first of its kind in Australia – to detect and capture footage of methane’s infrared energy escaping from vents, pipelines and even into a river!


Image on the right is an example of what the OGI camera can reveal

Our findings substantiate concerns that Australia’s big emitters are apathetic when it comes to dangerous methane emissions that fuel climate change and extreme weather disasters.

We knew that Australia’s big polluters had been poorly monitored, under reported, and not held to nearly a high-enough standard on their methane emissions. But we couldn’t make it visible until we led this joint field trip with global non-profit, Clean Air Task Force.

Our investigation made the ‘invisible’ ‘visible’ and showed that fossil fuel projects across the country are leaking and venting this highly potent gas.

While short-lived compared to carbon dioxide, methane is far more potent in immediately fuelling global warming. So, reducing methane pollution is one of the quickest ways to slow climate change.

Newsletter from ACF

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Date: 12/08/2023 06:56:27
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2064190
Subject: re: July set to be Earth's hottest month on record as extreme heat, wildfires, ravage northern hemisphere

The rapid loss of Antarctic sea ice brings grim scenarios into view
The extent of newly exposed ocean is the size of Argentina
Aug 2nd 2023

When the area near Antarctica covered by sea ice fell to 1.8m km2 (800,000 square miles) on February 19th—the smallest extent since satellite-based data became available in 1978—few climatologists were surprised. Such records fall frequently in a warming world, as they did at the same time of year in 2017 and 2022. In March ice cover in the Antarctic began bouncing back at a rate of 70,000 km2 per day, close to the historical average.

However, between April and June the ice did not recover as expected, with a growth rate around 15% lower than normal. And at the start of July its edge turned south, receding at a time when it should have been advancing rapidly. By July 6th Antarctic sea ice covered just 12m km2, roughly as large as Brazil and India put together. Compared with the average for that date in 1981-2010, its area was 2.84m km2 smaller—a gap as large as Argentina or Kazakhstan.

This abrupt decline looks even more extreme set against long-run patterns. Unlike the Arctic—where, in recent decades, the maximum sea-ice extent has been gradually shrinking, and the minimum has plummeted—the range of ice cover in the Antarctic has been relatively stable during the past half-century. Between 1976 and 2014, the average area covered by mid-winter sea ice in the region actually grew slightly. A wide range of factors account for the historical divergence in ice-cover trends between Earth’s poles, one a continent surrounded by water and the other an ocean surrounded by land. But after years in which Antarctic waters appeared to be a rare ocean of climatological calm, the region’s sea-ice charts now look just as stormy as the notoriously turbulent Southern Ocean.

It is too early to tell whether the Antarctic seas’ exceptional failure to freeze over represents an unusual confluence of temporary factors; a new normal driven by climate change; or something in between. One of the leading short-term explanations is unusual patterns of wind and waves. Throughout June and July, gusts travelling from the Bellingshausen Sea towards the South Pole prevented ice from forming near the Antarctic Peninsula. Weather systems emanating from storms in the Indian Ocean—brought about by shifts in two regular atmospheric fluctuations, the El Niño Southern Oscillation and the Southern Annular Mode—may also have broken up sea ice as it began to form in East Antarctica.

Warmer waters could also have played a role. Recent research suggests that since 2016, an increase in the Southern Ocean’s average temperature has caused Antarctic sea ice to shrink. This pattern may stem from overall atmospheric warming, but could also result from variation in normal cycles of heat transfer between deep and shallow parts of the ocean.

Even if ice cover eventually returns to recent norms, however, its vanishing act this year aligns with scientists’ long-run expectations. Based on current forecasts for global air temperatures, climate models predict that the extent of Antarctic sea ice will shrink during the second half of the century. And although the disappearance of floating sea ice does not affect sea levels directly, it could accelerate the loss of glaciers on land.

Sea ice helps keep the edges of Antarctica cool. White ice reflects sunlight, reducing the amount of energy absorbed by the ocean and thus lowering both air and water temperatures. Moreover, the ring of sea ice around Antarctica holds in place the continent’s coastal ice shelves, which in turn do the same for its glaciers and ice sheets. If those ice shelves were to collapse—as the Conger shelf in east Antarctica did in 2022—the gates would open for continental ice to flow rapidly into the oceans. The west Antarctic ice sheet alone contains enough water to increase global sea level by 3.3 metres (11 feet).

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/08/02/the-rapid-loss-of-antarctic-sea-ice-brings-grim-scenarios-into-view?

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