It seems to me that the big picture needs to be considered when doing project environmental risk assessments.

We’ve committed to net zero by 2050 and the environmental importance of doing this is obvious and, probably, the single biggest environmental goal in the damn world rn but specific projects that will get us closer to that point have to meet the same environmental standards as a project that is going to get as further away from it. We could be looking at tens of thousands of climate change related animal extinctions in the coming century but marginal risk to one subspecies can thwart and delay projects that can mitigate climate change.

We thought that was part of the strategy of the statists.

People rage at me here for daring to suggest they paint their roofs white to make their houses cooler. If people can’t take practical steps to reduce energy use at home then no government project is ultimately going to work.

wookiemeister said:

People rage at me here for daring to suggest they paint their roofs white to make their houses cooler. If people can’t take practical steps to reduce energy use at home then no government project is ultimately going to work.

I do agree. Practical steps. People, individuals all have to come to acept that we need this world as it is. We need to be able to share it.
However, why do I have to slap more chemicals on my roof? There are heaps of agricultural chemicals, radioative isotopes and many other things already worrying me about the quality of the water in my rainwater tanks.
I’d see a more important thing for me would be to find the original plans for a guttering system I saw once on the inventors that allowed the leaves and debris to fall off rather than collecting in the gutters that need to channel water. I really don’t know why that idea didn’t take off other than that many people don’t want to be always sweeping leaves off their footpaths but surely that would be easier than getting up there to clean gutters.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

People rage at me here for daring to suggest they paint their roofs white to make their houses cooler. If people can’t take practical steps to reduce energy use at home then no government project is ultimately going to work.

I do agree. Practical steps. People, individuals all have to come to acept that we need this world as it is. We need to be able to share it.
However, why do I have to slap more chemicals on my roof? There are heaps of agricultural chemicals, radioative isotopes and many other things already worrying me about the quality of the water in my rainwater tanks.
I’d see a more important thing for me would be to find the original plans for a guttering system I saw once on the inventors that allowed the leaves and debris to fall off rather than collecting in the gutters that need to channel water. I really don’t know why that idea didn’t take off other than that many people don’t want to be always sweeping leaves off their footpaths but surely that would be easier than getting up there to clean gutters.

Just cut down the trees, no leaves then¡

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

People rage at me here for daring to suggest they paint their roofs white to make their houses cooler. If people can’t take practical steps to reduce energy use at home then no government project is ultimately going to work.

I do agree. Practical steps. People, individuals all have to come to acept that we need this world as it is. We need to be able to share it.
However, why do I have to slap more chemicals on my roof? There are heaps of agricultural chemicals, radioative isotopes and many other things already worrying me about the quality of the water in my rainwater tanks.
I’d see a more important thing for me would be to find the original plans for a guttering system I saw once on the inventors that allowed the leaves and debris to fall off rather than collecting in the gutters that need to channel water. I really don’t know why that idea didn’t take off other than that many people don’t want to be always sweeping leaves off their footpaths but surely that would be easier than getting up there to clean gutters.

Just cut down the trees, no leaves then¡

Well, that’s true but then I’d want to put up a big white sheet to keep the sun’s deadly rays at bay and I’d have no birds and insects etc.

roughbarked said:

I do agree. Practical steps. People, individuals all have to come to acept that we need this world as it is. We need to be able to share it.
However, why do I have to slap more chemicals on my roof? There are heaps of agricultural chemicals, radioative isotopes and many other things already worrying me about the quality of the water in my rainwater tanks.
I’d see a more important thing for me would be to find the original plans for a guttering system I saw once on the inventors that allowed the leaves and debris to fall off rather than collecting in the gutters that need to channel water. I really don’t know why that idea didn’t take off other than that many people don’t want to be always sweeping leaves off their footpaths but surely that would be easier than getting up there to clean gutters.

DIY Gutter Guard

I also agree about not only the residual trace chemicals, but that which is related to the initial manufacturering.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

I do agree. Practical steps. People, individuals all have to come to acept that we need this world as it is. We need to be able to share it.
However, why do I have to slap more chemicals on my roof? There are heaps of agricultural chemicals, radioative isotopes and many other things already worrying me about the quality of the water in my rainwater tanks.
I’d see a more important thing for me would be to find the original plans for a guttering system I saw once on the inventors that allowed the leaves and debris to fall off rather than collecting in the gutters that need to channel water. I really don’t know why that idea didn’t take off other than that many people don’t want to be always sweeping leaves off their footpaths but surely that would be easier than getting up there to clean gutters.

Just cut down the trees, no leaves then¡

Well, that’s true but then I’d want to put up a big white sheet to keep the sun’s deadly rays at bay and I’d have no birds and insects etc.

if we have 20 years
we’d better get to it

Ogmog said:

if we have 20 years
we’d better get to it

I’ve been planting for fifty years and still going strong.

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

if we have 20 years
we’d better get to it

I’ve been planting for fifty years and still going strong.

then we need a HOLe lotta people following by example

…and like I said we got a (w)hole lotta’ catching up to do

Remember when they were dying of the heat from global warming, which has nothing to do with international travel,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-07/australian-scouts-withdraw-from-camp-before-typhoon-south-korea/102696744

well guess neither does this.

SCIENCE said:

Remember when they were dying of the heat from global warming, which has nothing to do with international travel,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-07/australian-scouts-withdraw-from-camp-before-typhoon-south-korea/102696744

well guess neither does this.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-08/south-korean-world-scout-jamboree-evacuated-typhoon-khanun/102703930

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook-Labor-Government/Overhaul-of-approvals-system-to-unlock-jobs,-investment-20231212

Overhaul of approvals system to unlock jobs, investment
The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

Cook Government to deliver significant overhaul of environmental approvals system Legislative changes to slash green tape and deliver certainty for job-creating projects Investment of $18 million to streamline approvals while ensuring strong environmental protections New Coordinator General role to fast-track priority approvals across Government

The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

It follows a short, sharp review of environmental approvals, commissioned by the Cook Government in October, which found approvals processes have become overly complex, time-consuming, and costly – holding back economic development without any benefit to the environment.

The review, led by former Environmental Protection Authority chair Dr Paul Vogel, and planning expert David McFerran, delivered 39 recommendations to Government – all of which have been accepted or noted, with work already underway to deliver reform.

dv said:

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook-Labor-Government/Overhaul-of-approvals-system-to-unlock-jobs,-investment-20231212

Overhaul of approvals system to unlock jobs, investment
The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

Cook Government to deliver significant overhaul of environmental approvals system Legislative changes to slash green tape and deliver certainty for job-creating projects Investment of $18 million to streamline approvals while ensuring strong environmental protections New Coordinator General role to fast-track priority approvals across Government

The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

It follows a short, sharp review of environmental approvals, commissioned by the Cook Government in October, which found approvals processes have become overly complex, time-consuming, and costly – holding back economic development without any benefit to the environment.

The review, led by former Environmental Protection Authority chair Dr Paul Vogel, and planning expert David McFerran, delivered 39 recommendations to Government – all of which have been accepted or noted, with work already underway to deliver reform.

This is the most uselsess piece of shit press statement. The introduction just repeats the headline, the middle just repeats the introduction, and the conclusion alludes to further information but does not give any details.

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook-Labor-Government/Overhaul-of-approvals-system-to-unlock-jobs,-investment-20231212

Overhaul of approvals system to unlock jobs, investment
The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

Cook Government to deliver significant overhaul of environmental approvals system Legislative changes to slash green tape and deliver certainty for job-creating projects Investment of $18 million to streamline approvals while ensuring strong environmental protections New Coordinator General role to fast-track priority approvals across Government

The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

It follows a short, sharp review of environmental approvals, commissioned by the Cook Government in October, which found approvals processes have become overly complex, time-consuming, and costly – holding back economic development without any benefit to the environment.

The review, led by former Environmental Protection Authority chair Dr Paul Vogel, and planning expert David McFerran, delivered 39 recommendations to Government – all of which have been accepted or noted, with work already underway to deliver reform.

This is the most uselsess piece of shit press statement. The introduction just repeats the headline, the middle just repeats the introduction, and the conclusion alludes to further information but does not give any details.

Yes.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook-Labor-Government/Overhaul-of-approvals-system-to-unlock-jobs,-investment-20231212

Overhaul of approvals system to unlock jobs, investment
The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

Cook Government to deliver significant overhaul of environmental approvals system Legislative changes to slash green tape and deliver certainty for job-creating projects Investment of $18 million to streamline approvals while ensuring strong environmental protections New Coordinator General role to fast-track priority approvals across Government

The Cook Government will overhaul Western Australia’s environmental approvals system in a move to unlock billions of dollars of investment into major job-creating projects, while protecting WA’s unique environment.

It follows a short, sharp review of environmental approvals, commissioned by the Cook Government in October, which found approvals processes have become overly complex, time-consuming, and costly – holding back economic development without any benefit to the environment.

The review, led by former Environmental Protection Authority chair Dr Paul Vogel, and planning expert David McFerran, delivered 39 recommendations to Government – all of which have been accepted or noted, with work already underway to deliver reform.

This is the most uselsess piece of shit press statement. The introduction just repeats the headline, the middle just repeats the introduction, and the conclusion alludes to further information but does not give any details.

Yes.

Actions would speak louder than words.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

This is the most uselsess piece of shit press statement. The introduction just repeats the headline, the middle just repeats the introduction, and the conclusion alludes to further information but does not give any details.

Yes.

Actions would speak louder than words.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-12-13/renewable-transition-impact-on-environment/103157360
Where the jobs need to be is now where our last green places are. So to start, we have two sources of jobs. The first is to reclaim a lot of the already degraded land from mining and agriculture so that we are offsetting the knocking down of more trees and hills. Which is where the second source of jobs are. Of course there are other sources of jobs as part of both these processes, not withstanding the processing and manufacturing involved in these new renewable tactics. The recycling and cleaning of all existing tailings waste and including the same from proposed future mine sites and processing. The ongoing regeneration of all new mine sites, on the job. None of this leaving it to pollute and cause extinction for the next 200 years.