Date: 11/12/2010 20:31:40
From: pain master
ID: 114516
Subject: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Saw a lovely brown snake with silvery scales this afternoon, just enjoying the heat from the driveway… He allowed us to get quite close before wandering back under the shade of the Mango Tree. Quite a short, fat(ish) snake, not like the Tree Snakes of late, nor the carpet Python. This guy looked like it could bite.
Date: 11/12/2010 21:31:31
From: pomolo
ID: 114533
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
Saw a lovely brown snake with silvery scales this afternoon, just enjoying the heat from the driveway… He allowed us to get quite close before wandering back under the shade of the Mango Tree. Quite a short, fat(ish) snake, not like the Tree Snakes of late, nor the carpet Python. This guy looked like it could bite.
Not a death adder was it? I know they prefer it dryer than townsville but…………….
Date: 12/12/2010 09:45:21
From: pain master
ID: 114554
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pomolo said:
pain master said:
Saw a lovely brown snake with silvery scales this afternoon, just enjoying the heat from the driveway… He allowed us to get quite close before wandering back under the shade of the Mango Tree. Quite a short, fat(ish) snake, not like the Tree Snakes of late, nor the carpet Python. This guy looked like it could bite.
Not a death adder was it? I know they prefer it dryer than townsville but…………….
Nah, pretty sure it wasn’t ugly enough for an Adder, and not quite that squat. Probably an Eastern Brown, their colouration is soooo variable. Still if we treat it like a Taipan, it will get a wide berth and healthy respect. Most people get bitten when trying to kill snakes so that is not my preferred modus operandi. I just wish they weren’t so bloody secretive.
Date: 12/12/2010 09:53:52
From: pomolo
ID: 114561
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
pomolo said:
pain master said:
Saw a lovely brown snake with silvery scales this afternoon, just enjoying the heat from the driveway… He allowed us to get quite close before wandering back under the shade of the Mango Tree. Quite a short, fat(ish) snake, not like the Tree Snakes of late, nor the carpet Python. This guy looked like it could bite.
Not a death adder was it? I know they prefer it dryer than townsville but…………….
Nah, pretty sure it wasn’t ugly enough for an Adder, and not quite that squat. Probably an Eastern Brown, their colouration is soooo variable. Still if we treat it like a Taipan, it will get a wide berth and healthy respect. Most people get bitten when trying to kill snakes so that is not my preferred modus operandi. I just wish they weren’t so bloody secretive.
I wouldn’t try to kill any snake either but I don’t even want to be reminded that they exist by letting me see them.
Date: 19/12/2010 09:08:15
From: pain master
ID: 115053
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
we sometimes have a blokey Possum, rest during the day on our airconditioning unit. He seems okay by our presence and he often sits back on his tail with his testicles out for all to see.
He is not there this morning, but a tiny baby possum is there. We might give him/her some pineapple later.
There has been a vandal in Mangolia, our resident Bowerbird who has been building a pretty ordinary bower has had his bower ransacked. Obviously a more aggressive, older male has not appreciated the new found competition and just totally flattened our bower…. poor guy.
Two weeks ago, our Colvillea racemosa and our neighbour’s Spathodea campanulata had no leaves on and I thought, come on guys, the rains have come. Well today, they are fully leaved up. BUT, our Caesalpinia ferrea has gone the opposite, all the leafs have dropped o’ernight!
All the Mangoes have new growth on them.
Date: 19/12/2010 09:10:23
From: bluegreen
ID: 115055
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
There has been a vandal in Mangolia, our resident Bowerbird who has been building a pretty ordinary bower has had his bower ransacked. Obviously a more aggressive, older male has not appreciated the new found competition and just totally flattened our bower…. poor guy.
everyone’s a critic! obviously thought it was below par!
Date: 19/12/2010 09:28:41
From: pomolo
ID: 115068
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
we sometimes have a blokey Possum, rest during the day on our airconditioning unit. He seems okay by our presence and he often sits back on his tail with his testicles out for all to see.
He is not there this morning, but a tiny baby possum is there. We might give him/her some pineapple later.
There has been a vandal in Mangolia, our resident Bowerbird who has been building a pretty ordinary bower has had his bower ransacked. Obviously a more aggressive, older male has not appreciated the new found competition and just totally flattened our bower…. poor guy.
Two weeks ago, our Colvillea racemosa and our neighbour’s Spathodea campanulata had no leaves on and I thought, come on guys, the rains have come. Well today, they are fully leaved up. BUT, our Caesalpinia ferrea has gone the opposite, all the leafs have dropped o’ernight!
All the Mangoes have new growth on them.
He is not there this morning, but a tiny baby possum is there
_______________
Maybe he shrunk. lol.
Date: 2/01/2011 18:11:45
From: pain master
ID: 116272
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…

Date: 2/01/2011 18:20:12
From: pain master
ID: 116273
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
these guys are on the Mandarin too, and I don’t think they are nice pests… but the Mandy is a lost cause I reckon’, so am just playing a waiting game to see what happens… chances are it will be firewood before August.

Date: 2/01/2011 18:26:35
From: pain master
ID: 116274
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
these guys just stink. Although the Goilala people of Papua eat them straight off the tree… yucko.

Date: 2/01/2011 18:28:20
From: pain master
ID: 116275
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
and take a look at this little shield bug… so shiny!

Date: 2/01/2011 18:35:27
From: pain master
ID: 116276
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
here’s another little guy…

Date: 2/01/2011 18:37:42
From: pain master
ID: 116277
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
and check out this mould… a pumikin flower fell onto this leaf and started to decay… these little tiny hairs then grew and devoured the flower.

Date: 2/01/2011 18:41:04
From: pain master
ID: 116278
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
here’s a dragonfly hanging out front near the passionfruit.

Date: 2/01/2011 19:37:41
From: bubba louie
ID: 116301
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…

He’ll turn into a beauty.
Date: 2/01/2011 19:39:26
From: pomolo
ID: 116304
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
these guys are on the Mandarin too, and I don’t think they are nice pests… but the Mandy is a lost cause I reckon’, so am just playing a waiting game to see what happens… chances are it will be firewood before August.

What’s the matter with the mandarin?
Date: 2/01/2011 19:39:43
From: pain master
ID: 116305
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bubba louie said:
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…

He’ll turn into a beauty.
what do they look like Bubba? We check the crysalid everyday.
Date: 2/01/2011 19:42:18
From: pain master
ID: 116307
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pomolo said:
pain master said:
these guys are on the Mandarin too, and I don’t think they are nice pests… but the Mandy is a lost cause I reckon’, so am just playing a waiting game to see what happens… chances are it will be firewood before August.

What’s the matter with the mandarin?
she was a real mess when we moved in, and it had these really spindly lanky limbs with a handful of fruit on the end… so I pruned it to within a inch of its life to see if it would sink or swim… Its sinking like a dill in the fitzroy. So if it fails and it is in a really bad spot, it gets yanked and we make space for a kaffir lime eh?
Date: 2/01/2011 19:47:24
From: bubba louie
ID: 116313
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
bubba louie said:
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…

He’ll turn into a beauty.
what do they look like Bubba? We check the crysalid everyday.
If you’re lucky.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&h=1944&w=2592&sz=811&tbnid=AGKkKxitWIflYM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dorchard%2Bswallowtail%2Bbutterfly&zoom=1&q=orchard+swallowtail+butterfly&usg=__rQjNDQFBknjvhuwbgYhLn27Jnw8=&sa=X&ei=UTsgTfOvHpP0cczTuZkD&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBA
Date: 2/01/2011 19:49:31
From: pepe
ID: 116315
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…

i’ve never seen it looking like that before – brilliant
Date: 2/01/2011 19:50:52
From: pepe
ID: 116316
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
here’s a dragonfly hanging out front near the passionfruit.

amazing shot
Date: 2/01/2011 20:13:13
From: pomolo
ID: 116326
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
here’s a dragonfly hanging out front near the passionfruit.

That’s a nice one.
Date: 2/01/2011 20:57:26
From: pomolo
ID: 116331
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
pomolo said:
pain master said:
these guys are on the Mandarin too, and I don’t think they are nice pests… but the Mandy is a lost cause I reckon’, so am just playing a waiting game to see what happens… chances are it will be firewood before August.

What’s the matter with the mandarin?
she was a real mess when we moved in, and it had these really spindly lanky limbs with a handful of fruit on the end… so I pruned it to within a inch of its life to see if it would sink or swim… Its sinking like a dill in the fitzroy. So if it fails and it is in a really bad spot, it gets yanked and we make space for a kaffir lime eh?
Fair enough!
Date: 3/01/2011 07:16:50
From: pain master
ID: 116347
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bubba louie said:
pain master said:
bubba louie said:
He’ll turn into a beauty.
what do they look like Bubba? We check the crysalid everyday.
If you’re lucky.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&h=1944&w=2592&sz=811&tbnid=AGKkKxitWIflYM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dorchard%2Bswallowtail%2Bbutterfly&zoom=1&q=orchard+swallowtail+butterfly&usg=__rQjNDQFBknjvhuwbgYhLn27Jnw8=&sa=X&ei=UTsgTfOvHpP0cczTuZkD&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBA
ohh we’ve seen those in our yard, cool!
Date: 3/01/2011 08:20:09
From: pain master
ID: 116358
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
I think it may have been bon who recently posted a photo with the sun shining brightly and I waffled on about f-stops (it may have been on her blog if I recall), well here is my Ironbark with sunburst.

Date: 3/01/2011 12:20:54
From: pain master
ID: 116397
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bubba louie said:
pain master said:
bubba louie said:
He’ll turn into a beauty.
what do they look like Bubba? We check the crysalid everyday.
If you’re lucky.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&h=1944&w=2592&sz=811&tbnid=AGKkKxitWIflYM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dorchard%2Bswallowtail%2Bbutterfly&zoom=1&q=orchard+swallowtail+butterfly&usg=__rQjNDQFBknjvhuwbgYhLn27Jnw8=&sa=X&ei=UTsgTfOvHpP0cczTuZkD&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBA
Is this the one Bubba?

Date: 3/01/2011 12:29:15
From: pepe
ID: 116400
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
I think it may have been bon who recently posted a photo with the sun shining brightly and I waffled on about f-stops (it may have been on her blog if I recall), well here is my Ironbark with sunburst.

very iron-like.
f-stop remains a mystery.
Date: 3/01/2011 12:33:18
From: Dinetta
ID: 116403
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
I think it may have been bon who recently posted a photo with the sun shining brightly and I waffled on about f-stops (it may have been on her blog if I recall), well here is my Ironbark with sunburst.

It’s a good thing you look up from the fungi occasionally…
Date: 3/01/2011 12:40:20
From: pain master
ID: 116406
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pepe said:
pain master said:
I think it may have been bon who recently posted a photo with the sun shining brightly and I waffled on about f-stops (it may have been on her blog if I recall), well here is my Ironbark with sunburst.

very iron-like.
f-stop remains a mystery.
try taking a photo of some tartan, and use a f-stop like f2.8 or as small a number as you can get. Then take a photo of the same piece of tartan focusing on the exact same spot and use f8, then try a f22. You will notice if you focus on the centre of the tartan then at f2.8 you will have a very thin band in focus. The band will extend left to right across the “landscape” image. Then you will notice the higher the number, the thicker that focal band will extend.
more in a sec.
Date: 3/01/2011 12:43:03
From: pain master
ID: 116408
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Dinetta said:
pain master said:
I think it may have been bon who recently posted a photo with the sun shining brightly and I waffled on about f-stops (it may have been on her blog if I recall), well here is my Ironbark with sunburst.

It’s a good thing you look up from the fungi occasionally…
Thanks dinetta0, and its good to see you’re still above the tide-line.
Date: 3/01/2011 14:25:10
From: bon008
ID: 116436
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
I think it may have been bon who recently posted a photo with the sun shining brightly and I waffled on about f-stops (it may have been on her blog if I recall), well here is my Ironbark with sunburst.

It was PM, I did reply on the blog but I never know if anyone comes back to read the replies :D
… and I’ll get to a greywater post soon :) Hopefully I’ll get my mojo back once the plumber has come and gone.
Date: 3/01/2011 15:53:22
From: Veg gardener
ID: 116450
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
try taking a photo of some tartan, and use a f-stop like f2.8 or as small a number as you can get. Then take a photo of the same piece of tartan focusing on the exact same spot and use f8, then try a f22. You will notice if you focus on the centre of the tartan then at f2.8 you will have a very thin band in focus. The band will extend left to right across the “landscape” image. Then you will notice the higher the number, the thicker that focal band will extend.
more in a sec.
Lost me PM.
Date: 3/01/2011 16:11:58
From: pain master
ID: 116458
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Veg gardener said:
pain master said:
try taking a photo of some tartan, and use a f-stop like f2.8 or as small a number as you can get. Then take a photo of the same piece of tartan focusing on the exact same spot and use f8, then try a f22. You will notice if you focus on the centre of the tartan then at f2.8 you will have a very thin band in focus. The band will extend left to right across the “landscape” image. Then you will notice the higher the number, the thicker that focal band will extend.
more in a sec.
Lost me PM.
I’ll see what I can do for ya veg… hang on.
Date: 3/01/2011 16:19:43
From: Veg gardener
ID: 116460
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
Veg gardener said:
pain master said:
try taking a photo of some tartan, and use a f-stop like f2.8 or as small a number as you can get. Then take a photo of the same piece of tartan focusing on the exact same spot and use f8, then try a f22. You will notice if you focus on the centre of the tartan then at f2.8 you will have a very thin band in focus. The band will extend left to right across the “landscape” image. Then you will notice the higher the number, the thicker that focal band will extend.
more in a sec.
Lost me PM.
I’ll see what I can do for ya veg… hang on.
Shall wait and Learn.
Date: 3/01/2011 17:16:11
From: pain master
ID: 116480
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Okay Veg, here goes. Take a good look at this image, I went outside and took some shots to demonstrate what the f-stop can do with a camera.
Now if you have the M, S, P, and A settings on your camera, or they all maybe found in the manual setting, then set the camera to A, which stands for Aperture. You can decide what Aperture the lens will open to. Great lenses will go as low as f2.8 or even lower, but most lenses will go up to f22. These numbers determine how large a diameter hole will open up for your lens.
This shot was taken at f5.8 (which is the lowest this lens will goto when extended to its full zoom) and you will notice the snakes head is in focus and so are the leaves and sticks closest to the snake. You will also notice that the leaves in the background and foreground are blurred.

Date: 3/01/2011 17:18:27
From: pain master
ID: 116481
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Now compare that shot to this one taken at f11. This hopefully will give me a larger focal length so that more of the shot is in focus and you will notice that you can now see more clarity in the leaves, especially in the background.

Date: 3/01/2011 17:19:50
From: pain master
ID: 116482
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
and finally a shot of the same snake taken at f22, or as high a number my lens can go. You will definitely see that there is more clarity in more of the leaves especially in the foreground and background.

Date: 3/01/2011 17:21:43
From: bon008
ID: 116483
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Thanks PM, that was really informative :I
Date: 3/01/2011 17:21:58
From: bon008
ID: 116484
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Date: 3/01/2011 17:28:59
From: pain master
ID: 116487
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bon008 said:
:), I mean. :D
no worries bon. :)
Date: 3/01/2011 19:07:22
From: pepe
ID: 116496
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
and finally a shot of the same snake taken at f22, or as high a number my lens can go. You will definitely see that there is more clarity in more of the leaves especially in the foreground and background.

ok – altho why you would give us a lesson with a snake nearby is a mystery.
my aperatures f2.7 > f8 ?
now what was the question ? bon and that ironbark tree with the sun shining nicely in the sky.
ok so we are trying to work out lighting – in particular how you can stay focused on the bark whilst incorporating the sun without blinding everyone.
impossible – but go on.
Date: 3/01/2011 19:25:42
From: bubba louie
ID: 116499
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
bubba louie said:
pain master said:
what do they look like Bubba? We check the crysalid everyday.
If you’re lucky.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Orchard-Swallowtail-Butterfly.jpg&h=1944&w=2592&sz=811&tbnid=AGKkKxitWIflYM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dorchard%2Bswallowtail%2Bbutterfly&zoom=1&q=orchard+swallowtail+butterfly&usg=__rQjNDQFBknjvhuwbgYhLn27Jnw8=&sa=X&ei=UTsgTfOvHpP0cczTuZkD&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBA
Is this the one Bubba?

There are a couple close relatives but that’s your best bet.
Date: 3/01/2011 19:51:26
From: pain master
ID: 116504
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pepe said:
pain master said:
and finally a shot of the same snake taken at f22, or as high a number my lens can go. You will definitely see that there is more clarity in more of the leaves especially in the foreground and background.

ok – altho why you would give us a lesson with a snake nearby is a mystery.
my aperatures f2.7 > f8 ?
now what was the question ? bon and that ironbark tree with the sun shining nicely in the sky.
ok so we are trying to work out lighting – in particular how you can stay focused on the bark whilst incorporating the sun without blinding everyone.
impossible – but go on.
the snake is a handy focal point because he demonstrates how the lower the f-number, the tighter the focal area.
so in regards to my Ironbark and the Sun, on Bon’s wonderful blog she spent a day recently sailing. And as one always does when one finds oneself on a boat out at sea, they take photos and if the boat has sails, and there is a blue sky and sunshine, inevitably a shot upwards of the mast, the sail, the blue sky and the sun occurs. Bon had not disappointed her bloggin’ fanbase and delivered a mighty fine photo.
Now some geezer noticed her shot and commented that if she had set her camera to f22, then she would have scored a shot of the mast, sail, sky and Sun not with a glaring all over the shop Sun, but a Sunburst. Very much like the one in the Ironbark shot. Now many many years ago, photographers often would try to avoid this, because of the retina damage that happens when one looks at the sun through a viewfinder and also the accompanying sunspots on the film were considered caused by filthy lenses and an amateur foto-taking-guy.
But not today, with viewing screens on digital cameras and live-views, more and more photographers are deliberately seeking out sunflares and it is now considered art.
So if I were to take the photo of the Ironbark with an f-3.5 then my primary focal point would be a metre or so up the tree and everything else (including the sun) would be blurred and people might say “Wow, that’s some shallow dof you got there and I love ya bokeh” but if I took the shot at f22 then the crowds would say “Nice sunflare and I love the depth you got!”
does this help?
Date: 3/01/2011 20:01:49
From: pomolo
ID: 116510
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Veg gardener said:
pain master said:
try taking a photo of some tartan, and use a f-stop like f2.8 or as small a number as you can get. Then take a photo of the same piece of tartan focusing on the exact same spot and use f8, then try a f22. You will notice if you focus on the centre of the tartan then at f2.8 you will have a very thin band in focus. The band will extend left to right across the “landscape” image. Then you will notice the higher the number, the thicker that focal band will extend.
more in a sec.
Lost me PM.
You’re making me larf veg.
Date: 3/01/2011 21:40:31
From: Yeehah
ID: 116524
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…
Oh yes, Dame Happy is forever dropping the names of other gardening royalty who have shared the pleasure of her garden with her.
Date: 3/01/2011 22:14:54
From: Happy Potter
ID: 116525
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Yeehah said:
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…
Oh yes, Dame Happy is forever dropping the names of other gardening royalty who have shared the pleasure of her garden with her.
LMAO!
Date: 4/01/2011 09:56:48
From: pepe
ID: 116540
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
the snake is a handy focal point because he demonstrates how the lower the f-number, the tighter the focal area.
so in regards to my Ironbark and the Sun, on Bon’s wonderful blog she spent a day recently sailing. And as one always does when one finds oneself on a boat out at sea, they take photos and if the boat has sails, and there is a blue sky and sunshine, inevitably a shot upwards of the mast, the sail, the blue sky and the sun occurs. Bon had not disappointed her bloggin’ fanbase and delivered a mighty fine photo.
Now some geezer noticed her shot and commented that if she had set her camera to f22, then she would have scored a shot of the mast, sail, sky and Sun not with a glaring all over the shop Sun, but a Sunburst. Very much like the one in the Ironbark shot. Now many many years ago, photographers often would try to avoid this, because of the retina damage that happens when one looks at the sun through a viewfinder and also the accompanying sunspots on the film were considered caused by filthy lenses and an amateur foto-taking-guy.
But not today, with viewing screens on digital cameras and live-views, more and more photographers are deliberately seeking out sunflares and it is now considered art.
So if I were to take the photo of the Ironbark with an f-3.5 then my primary focal point would be a metre or so up the tree and everything else (including the sun) would be blurred and people might say “Wow, that’s some shallow dof you got there and I love ya bokeh” but if I took the shot at f22 then the crowds would say “Nice sunflare and I love the depth you got!”
does this help?
—————————————————
yep very clearly written thanks.
my max f8 could be the problem if i want sunflare.
Date: 4/01/2011 12:19:07
From: bon008
ID: 116543
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
pepe said:
pain master said:
and finally a shot of the same snake taken at f22, or as high a number my lens can go. You will definitely see that there is more clarity in more of the leaves especially in the foreground and background.

ok – altho why you would give us a lesson with a snake nearby is a mystery.
my aperatures f2.7 > f8 ?
now what was the question ? bon and that ironbark tree with the sun shining nicely in the sky.
ok so we are trying to work out lighting – in particular how you can stay focused on the bark whilst incorporating the sun without blinding everyone.
impossible – but go on.
the snake is a handy focal point because he demonstrates how the lower the f-number, the tighter the focal area.
so in regards to my Ironbark and the Sun, on Bon’s wonderful blog she spent a day recently sailing. And as one always does when one finds oneself on a boat out at sea, they take photos and if the boat has sails, and there is a blue sky and sunshine, inevitably a shot upwards of the mast, the sail, the blue sky and the sun occurs. Bon had not disappointed her bloggin’ fanbase and delivered a mighty fine photo.
Now some geezer noticed her shot and commented that if she had set her camera to f22, then she would have scored a shot of the mast, sail, sky and Sun not with a glaring all over the shop Sun, but a Sunburst. Very much like the one in the Ironbark shot. Now many many years ago, photographers often would try to avoid this, because of the retina damage that happens when one looks at the sun through a viewfinder and also the accompanying sunspots on the film were considered caused by filthy lenses and an amateur foto-taking-guy.
But not today, with viewing screens on digital cameras and live-views, more and more photographers are deliberately seeking out sunflares and it is now considered art.
So if I were to take the photo of the Ironbark with an f-3.5 then my primary focal point would be a metre or so up the tree and everything else (including the sun) would be blurred and people might say “Wow, that’s some shallow dof you got there and I love ya bokeh” but if I took the shot at f22 then the crowds would say “Nice sunflare and I love the depth you got!”
does this help?
Aww shucks, thanks PM.. :)
Date: 4/01/2011 13:59:44
From: Veg gardener
ID: 116557
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bon008 said:
Thanks PM, that was really informative :I
was able to learn something from that, Thanks for Making it easy to understand.
Date: 4/01/2011 20:20:38
From: pain master
ID: 116612
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
Yeehah said:
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…
Oh yes, Dame Happy is forever dropping the names of other gardening royalty who have shared the pleasure of her garden with her.
you think she may talk fondly of your good self one day?
Date: 4/01/2011 20:32:37
From: pain master
ID: 116618
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pepe said:
yep very clearly written thanks.
my max f8 could be the problem if i want sunflare.
indeed… you could mess around with the brightness setting to off-set the “low” f-stop, but chances are the odds of a sunflare are slim.
My personal belief is that the closer to the Pole you get the better chance of a sunflare. It seems the moisture in the air inhibits suflareness?
off topic, but a frog just jumped on me back!
Date: 4/01/2011 20:34:13
From: pain master
ID: 116619
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bon008 said:
pain master said:
pepe said:
ok – altho why you would give us a lesson with a snake nearby is a mystery.
my aperatures f2.7 > f8 ?
now what was the question ? bon and that ironbark tree with the sun shining nicely in the sky.
ok so we are trying to work out lighting – in particular how you can stay focused on the bark whilst incorporating the sun without blinding everyone.
impossible – but go on.
the snake is a handy focal point because he demonstrates how the lower the f-number, the tighter the focal area.
so in regards to my Ironbark and the Sun, on Bon’s wonderful blog she spent a day recently sailing. And as one always does when one finds oneself on a boat out at sea, they take photos and if the boat has sails, and there is a blue sky and sunshine, inevitably a shot upwards of the mast, the sail, the blue sky and the sun occurs. Bon had not disappointed her bloggin’ fanbase and delivered a mighty fine photo.
Now some geezer noticed her shot and commented that if she had set her camera to f22, then she would have scored a shot of the mast, sail, sky and Sun not with a glaring all over the shop Sun, but a Sunburst. Very much like the one in the Ironbark shot. Now many many years ago, photographers often would try to avoid this, because of the retina damage that happens when one looks at the sun through a viewfinder and also the accompanying sunspots on the film were considered caused by filthy lenses and an amateur foto-taking-guy.
But not today, with viewing screens on digital cameras and live-views, more and more photographers are deliberately seeking out sunflares and it is now considered art.
So if I were to take the photo of the Ironbark with an f-3.5 then my primary focal point would be a metre or so up the tree and everything else (including the sun) would be blurred and people might say “Wow, that’s some shallow dof you got there and I love ya bokeh” but if I took the shot at f22 then the crowds would say “Nice sunflare and I love the depth you got!”
does this help?
Aww shucks, thanks PM.. :)
credit given where credit was due.
Date: 4/01/2011 20:44:33
From: Happy Potter
ID: 116621
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
Yeehah said:
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…
Oh yes, Dame Happy is forever dropping the names of other gardening royalty who have shared the pleasure of her garden with her.
you think she may talk fondly of your good self one day?
Definitely :D
Date: 5/01/2011 00:10:02
From: Yeehah
ID: 116636
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
Yeehah said:
pain master said:
we found this caterpiller on our mandarin. But Potter’s friend Jane tells me that the Citrus Butterfly is okay for the garden. So he lives and pupates and crysalids and stuff…
Oh yes, Dame Happy is forever dropping the names of other gardening royalty who have shared the pleasure of her garden with her.
you think she may talk fondly of your good self one day?
May? Already!
:)
Date: 5/01/2011 09:39:11
From: pomolo
ID: 116662
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
pepe said:
yep very clearly written thanks.
my max f8 could be the problem if i want sunflare.
indeed… you could mess around with the brightness setting to off-set the “low” f-stop, but chances are the odds of a sunflare are slim.
My personal belief is that the closer to the Pole you get the better chance of a sunflare. It seems the moisture in the air inhibits suflareness?
off topic, but a frog just jumped on me back!
You should have kissed him and you would have turned into a Pransome Hince. Or is that Handsome Prince?
Date: 5/01/2011 12:19:39
From: Dinetta
ID: 116680
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
off topic, but a frog just jumped on me back!
I recall before the house was fully screened, they would land on our faces in the middle of the night and I would think “don’t pee on me! don’t pee on me!”
Now we are fully screened and they sit on the windows and catch bugs attracted to our bedroom lights…
Date: 7/01/2012 06:34:45
From: pain master
ID: 143838
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
as you may recall, we have 16 different species of chiles growing and some are doing a fantastic job. When we purchased the seed, the kind seed guy (we think may have been Ironbark Bob) threw in a packet of seed called “Red Hot Fiery Mix” – well one of these plants had not done much, no fruit that we could see, until yesterday evening we discovered some little tiny orangey red chiles all standing upwards and looking ripe. So we picked them.
I decided to pop one in my mouth, it was a little one. Boy, did it POP in my mouth! A little squirt of juice rushed from the left hand back molars, over the back of my tongue and splashed onto the inner right hand cheek. I could tell this, because this chile seemed to heighten all the nerves and senses in my mouth. My mouth seemed so alive, so awake!
And then the heat came, slowly at first, but it felt like when you see footage of tsunamis when all the water disappears, well the heat started rolling back to shore, and then the big wave of fire it, then wave after wave followed! All of me felt alive!
And then that distinct flavour of Hot Tabasco came, we had a Tabasco chile in our surprise mix! YAY! We had not ordered one of those, so it was good to get something a bit hot and different. We expected the Mix to contain all of the usual suspects, but to get Tabasco is way cool!
hee hee hee…
Date: 7/01/2012 08:44:56
From: trichome
ID: 143840
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
i have a Haberno growing, has some fruit now but not red yet, will let you know :)
Date: 7/01/2012 09:32:08
From: justin
ID: 143852
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
as you may recall, we have 16 different species of chiles growing and some are doing a fantastic job. When we purchased the seed, the kind seed guy (we think may have been Ironbark Bob) threw in a packet of seed called “Red Hot Fiery Mix” – well one of these plants had not done much, no fruit that we could see, until yesterday evening we discovered some little tiny orangey red chiles all standing upwards and looking ripe. So we picked them.
I decided to pop one in my mouth, it was a little one. Boy, did it POP in my mouth! A little squirt of juice rushed from the left hand back molars, over the back of my tongue and splashed onto the inner right hand cheek. I could tell this, because this chile seemed to heighten all the nerves and senses in my mouth. My mouth seemed so alive, so awake!
And then the heat came, slowly at first, but it felt like when you see footage of tsunamis when all the water disappears, well the heat started rolling back to shore, and then the big wave of fire it, then wave after wave followed! All of me felt alive!
And then that distinct flavour of Hot Tabasco came, we had a Tabasco chile in our surprise mix! YAY! We had not ordered one of those, so it was good to get something a bit hot and different. We expected the Mix to contain all of the usual suspects, but to get Tabasco is way cool!
hee hee hee…
good taste buds there – and good description.
i have planted six new jalepinos to replace my old one – they seem to grow for 2-3 years here.
Date: 7/01/2012 09:52:04
From: pomolo
ID: 143855
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
as you may recall, we have 16 different species of chiles growing and some are doing a fantastic job. When we purchased the seed, the kind seed guy (we think may have been Ironbark Bob) threw in a packet of seed called “Red Hot Fiery Mix” – well one of these plants had not done much, no fruit that we could see, until yesterday evening we discovered some little tiny orangey red chiles all standing upwards and looking ripe. So we picked them.
I decided to pop one in my mouth, it was a little one. Boy, did it POP in my mouth! A little squirt of juice rushed from the left hand back molars, over the back of my tongue and splashed onto the inner right hand cheek. I could tell this, because this chile seemed to heighten all the nerves and senses in my mouth. My mouth seemed so alive, so awake!
And then the heat came, slowly at first, but it felt like when you see footage of tsunamis when all the water disappears, well the heat started rolling back to shore, and then the big wave of fire it, then wave after wave followed! All of me felt alive!
And then that distinct flavour of Hot Tabasco came, we had a Tabasco chile in our surprise mix! YAY! We had not ordered one of those, so it was good to get something a bit hot and different. We expected the Mix to contain all of the usual suspects, but to get Tabasco is way cool!
hee hee hee…
I’m happy for you. For the life of me I cannot underatand why anyone would want to taste intense heat inside their mouth but I’m happy for you to be pleased with your tobasco chilli find.
Date: 7/01/2012 10:13:16
From: bluegreen
ID: 143861
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
I decided to pop one in my mouth, it was a little one. Boy, did it POP in my mouth! A little squirt of juice rushed from the left hand back molars, over the back of my tongue and splashed onto the inner right hand cheek. I could tell this, because this chile seemed to heighten all the nerves and senses in my mouth. My mouth seemed so alive, so awake!
And then the heat came, slowly at first, but it felt like when you see footage of tsunamis when all the water disappears, well the heat started rolling back to shore, and then the big wave of fire it, then wave after wave followed! All of me felt alive!
And then that distinct flavour of Hot Tabasco came, we had a Tabasco chile in our surprise mix! YAY! We had not ordered one of those, so it was good to get something a bit hot and different. We expected the Mix to contain all of the usual suspects, but to get Tabasco is way cool!
:D :D
For I while I had some Roccoco Chilli plants. I really liked them to cook with. They were sizable, plump and juicy and fairly high up on the Scoville Scale. Anyway I took some to work one day to share and a couple of the young fellows dared each other to eat a whole one raw (as young fellows do.) Well you should of seen their faces! No doubt they had both eaten some variety of raw chilli before and thought they knew what to expect, but because this variety are so juicy the whole mouth gets the full punch.
BTW I would dearly love to grow these again but they are not that common, so if anyone knows where I can get some seed I would be very grateful. They are particularly distinguished by having a black seed rather than the usual white.
Date: 7/01/2012 15:01:10
From: pain master
ID: 143875
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
trichome said:
i have a Haberno growing, has some fruit now but not red yet, will let you know :)
Our Habanero is growing quite well, have been picking, eating and drying fruit for a little while now.
Date: 7/01/2012 15:07:47
From: pain master
ID: 143876
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
justin said:
pain master said:
as you may recall, we have 16 different species of chiles growing and some are doing a fantastic job. When we purchased the seed, the kind seed guy (we think may have been Ironbark Bob) threw in a packet of seed called “Red Hot Fiery Mix” – well one of these plants had not done much, no fruit that we could see, until yesterday evening we discovered some little tiny orangey red chiles all standing upwards and looking ripe. So we picked them.
I decided to pop one in my mouth, it was a little one. Boy, did it POP in my mouth! A little squirt of juice rushed from the left hand back molars, over the back of my tongue and splashed onto the inner right hand cheek. I could tell this, because this chile seemed to heighten all the nerves and senses in my mouth. My mouth seemed so alive, so awake!
And then the heat came, slowly at first, but it felt like when you see footage of tsunamis when all the water disappears, well the heat started rolling back to shore, and then the big wave of fire it, then wave after wave followed! All of me felt alive!
And then that distinct flavour of Hot Tabasco came, we had a Tabasco chile in our surprise mix! YAY! We had not ordered one of those, so it was good to get something a bit hot and different. We expected the Mix to contain all of the usual suspects, but to get Tabasco is way cool!
hee hee hee…
good taste buds there – and good description.
i have planted six new jalepinos to replace my old one – they seem to grow for 2-3 years here.
Jalopenas we have not been able to raise. we have tried seed from 3 sources all to no such luck.
Date: 7/01/2012 15:17:31
From: pain master
ID: 143877
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bluegreen said:
pain master said:
I decided to pop one in my mouth, it was a little one. Boy, did it POP in my mouth! A little squirt of juice rushed from the left hand back molars, over the back of my tongue and splashed onto the inner right hand cheek. I could tell this, because this chile seemed to heighten all the nerves and senses in my mouth. My mouth seemed so alive, so awake!
And then the heat came, slowly at first, but it felt like when you see footage of tsunamis when all the water disappears, well the heat started rolling back to shore, and then the big wave of fire it, then wave after wave followed! All of me felt alive!
And then that distinct flavour of Hot Tabasco came, we had a Tabasco chile in our surprise mix! YAY! We had not ordered one of those, so it was good to get something a bit hot and different. We expected the Mix to contain all of the usual suspects, but to get Tabasco is way cool!
:D :D
For I while I had some Roccoco Chilli plants. I really liked them to cook with. They were sizable, plump and juicy and fairly high up on the Scoville Scale. Anyway I took some to work one day to share and a couple of the young fellows dared each other to eat a whole one raw (as young fellows do.) Well you should of seen their faces! No doubt they had both eaten some variety of raw chilli before and thought they knew what to expect, but because this variety are so juicy the whole mouth gets the full punch.
BTW I would dearly love to grow these again but they are not that common, so if anyone knows where I can get some seed I would be very grateful. They are particularly distinguished by having a black seed rather than the usual white.
We have Rocoto chile, which originates from Bolivia and Peru up in the Andes and has been grown for 6,000 years now. Our has yet to fruit but it is a prostrate growing plant. It is Capsicum pubescens and the fruit are red round balls with black seeds.
See this Rocoto website
Is this like yours BG?
Date: 7/01/2012 16:40:54
From: bluegreen
ID: 143880
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
We have Rocoto chile, which originates from Bolivia and Peru up in the Andes and has been grown for 6,000 years now. Our has yet to fruit but it is a prostrate growing plant. It is Capsicum pubescens and the fruit are red round balls with black seeds.
See this Rocoto website
Is this like yours BG?
that’s the one! If you get some fruit, may I have some seed?
Date: 7/01/2012 19:32:57
From: pain master
ID: 143891
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bluegreen said:
pain master said:
We have Rocoto chile, which originates from Bolivia and Peru up in the Andes and has been grown for 6,000 years now. Our has yet to fruit but it is a prostrate growing plant. It is Capsicum pubescens and the fruit are red round balls with black seeds.
See this Rocoto website
Is this like yours BG?
that’s the one! If you get some fruit, may I have some seed?
most certainly. We got the seed from www.chillibird.com.au if you are keen to get some before we produce…
Date: 7/01/2012 19:33:36
From: bluegreen
ID: 143892
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
pain master said:
bluegreen said:
pain master said:
We have Rocoto chile, which originates from Bolivia and Peru up in the Andes and has been grown for 6,000 years now. Our has yet to fruit but it is a prostrate growing plant. It is Capsicum pubescens and the fruit are red round balls with black seeds.
See this Rocoto website
Is this like yours BG?
that’s the one! If you get some fruit, may I have some seed?
most certainly. We got the seed from www.chillibird.com.au if you are keen to get some before we produce…
thanks, I might do that.
Date: 7/01/2012 19:44:49
From: bluegreen
ID: 143893
Subject: re: Life in Mangolia (Summertime)
bluegreen said:
pain master said:
bluegreen said:
that’s the one! If you get some fruit, may I have some seed?
most certainly. We got the seed from www.chillibird.com.au if you are keen to get some before we produce…
thanks, I might do that.
and I did :)