We might as well have a new thread for the new month.
Much the same old same old, though, as we continue the arguments and observations of the times past.
The Fact Check debate.
Knock yourselves out.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/special-report-meet-the-internet-s-arbiters-of-truth-running-the-censorship-industrial-complex/ar-AA1g4Ggn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=825f29ba5bba4374be4f9f0d25c74a5c&ei=18
Australia is becoming America’s military launchpad into Asia
Are Australian voters ready for the costs of great-power rivalry in the Indo-Pacific?
Aug 23rd 2023 | BRISBANE, CANBERRA AND SYDNEY
When imperial Japan’s troops were sweeping all before them in 1941, the Australian prime minister, John Curtin, made a desperate turn. Cutting the last bonds of colonial fealty, he issued this plea: “Australia looks to America, free of any pangs as to our traditional links or kinship with the United Kingdom.”
These days, Australia and America are keenly looking to each other again, to confront China. Their “mateship” is undergoing its greatest overhaul since General Douglas MacArthur led allied troops from Brisbane. Australia is upgrading its military bases to host more American forces and arming itself with weapons that can threaten China. Australian and American troops are also conducting more joint exercises. As a tragic side-effect, on August 27th three American marines were killed in a helicopter crash in northern Australia; four Australians died similarly in July. Australia is also helping America weave a wider “latticework” of ad hoc security pacts across the Indo-Pacific region.
“We have no greater friend, no greater partner, no greater ally than Australia,” declared Antony Blinken, America’s secretary of state, during a recent visit. And he meant it. If America ever goes to war with China, American officials say the Aussies would be the likeliest allies to be fighting with them. Yet the risks and cost of their more aggressive security posture are causing some disquiet in Australia.
It is, for now, less conspicuous than recent progress in the bilateral relationship. Much pomp attended the American warship USS Canberra when she entered Sydney harbour to be commissioned on July 22nd. Escorted by her Australian namesake, HMAS Canberra, she was the first American warship commissioned in a foreign country. The two vessels, named after an Australian cruiser sunk in 1942, are symbols of burgeoning ties. This week hmas Canberra conducted war games with the Philippines with American marines and their mv-22b tilt-rotor aircraft aboard.
With a population of just 26m, on an island-continent spanning three time zones, Australia has capable but only modest armed forces. Its 58,000 personnel are very roughly a third the size of America’s Marine Corps or Britain’s armed forces. But Australia plays an outsize role because it has things America needs: trustworthiness, a shared perception of the Chinese threat and a valuable geography.
As a member of the “Five Eyes”, Australia and America have long shared intelligence, along with Britain, Canada and New Zealand. Australia has also taken part in American wars that others shunned, such as in Vietnam. A “fear of abandonment”, as some see it, underlies Australia’s readiness to pay a blood price for the relationship. Naturally, officials on both sides prefer to see this as an enduring strength.
Highlighting the threat of China, Australia’s Defence Strategic Review, issued in April, stated that: “The United States is no longer the unipolar leader of the Indo-Pacific.” Partly as a result, Australia no longer has a decade of “warning time” of possible war. In the missile age, it is also no longer far from the world’s troubles. The answer, Australian strategists concluded, is for Australia to cling all the more tightly to America, “contribute more to regional stability” and develop weapons “to hold an adversary at risk further from our shores”.
Australia’s geographical advantage is that it lies in what strategists call a Goldilocks zone: well placed to help America project power into Asia, but beyond the range of most of China’s weapons. It is also large, which helps America scatter its forces to avoid giving China easy targets.
The most ambitious leap for the alliance is the AUKUS defence-industrial agreement, which some liken to a marriage. The centrepiece is a long-term effort to arm Australia with nuclear-powered (but not nuclear-armed) submarines. The boats are planned to be British-designed with American nuclear propulsion, and to emerge in the 2040s. That could be a problem. The geopolitical risk may be sharpest this decade, as China seeks the capacity to invade Taiwan by 2027.
American Virginia-class attack submarines will therefore call more often at HMAS Stirling, a base on the western coast, as the USS North Carolina did earlier this month. From 2027 America will rotate four subs through the base (Britain will send another). In the 2030s Australia aims to buy three, and perhaps five, of its own Virginia boats. Plans are afoot for a second submarine base on the east coast.
The second “pillar” of AUKUS ranges from co-operation on artificial intelligence to quantum computing and hypersonic missiles. The three partners hope it will start to deliver deployable technology within months. America also promises to help Australia make, repair and maintain munitions, including missiles for the himars system, now busy in Ukraine, which Australia is buying. This would help ease the West’s munitions bottlenecks. On August 21st Australia announced plans to buy 200 Tomahawk ship-borne cruise missiles, with a range of about 1,500km.
Not quite so fast…
Joint weapons development will work best if America grants AUKUS partners waivers from rules that guard American know-how. Some talk of a “free-trade agreement in defence”. The Pentagon is supportive. Whether the State Department and Congress will agree is unclear. A more immediate possible sticking-point is a Republican reluctance to give Australia precious Virginia-class boats at a time when America does not have enough of its own.
The politics of AUKUS are even harder in Australia, despite bipartisan support for the deal. It was signed in 2021 by the conservative government of Scott Morrison, and later endorsed by his Labor successor, Anthony Albanese, a left-winger who did not want to be considered weak on defence. Stalwarts on the Labor right have long been critical. Bob Carr, a former foreign minister, criticises the “grandiosity” of AUKUS, based on a reasonable fear that it risks hollowing out the rest of the armed forces. He also worries that Australia is making itself a target for nuclear attack. On August 18th, at Labor’s annual conference, loud dissent emerged from the Labor left, too. The Greens, on whom Labor relies for support in the Senate, are also hostile.
The opposition is relatively small for now. Mr Albanese won the support of the Labor conference, albeit with a promise that all AUKUS boats would be built locally and that Australia could not “be directed” by others on their use. Not for Labor the forthright view of Peter Dutton, the Morrison-era defence minister, who declared in 2021 that “it would be inconceivable that we wouldn’t support the us in an action”. Even so, aukus almost inevitably makes such Australian participation more likely.
The public is also broadly on board. A survey by the Lowy Institute, published in June, found 82% of Australians considered the alliance “important” or “very important”. A majority favoured establishing American bases on Australian soil. Two-thirds supported acquiring nuclear-powered submarines, though many recoiled when told the likely price: A$268bn-368bn ($173bn-238bn) over three decades. In case of a war over Taiwan, a majority would send the navy to prevent a Chinese blockade. Most opposed sending troops.
But if most Australians view China as a threat rather than an economic partner, the government recognises that Mr Morrison’s hawkishness contributed to his electoral defeat, especially among Australia’s many China-born voters. Hence Mr Albanese’s greater stress on regional diplomacy and stabilising relations with China. He is due to visit Manila, Washington and, perhaps, Beijing, in the coming months.
Meanwhile, Australian exports to China are booming, reaching a record A$103bn in the first half of this year, partly on the back of growing sales of lithium concentrate. China has ended unofficial bans on Australia’s timber and coal, and recently lifted tariffs on its barley.
Mr Albanese stresses the job-creating potential of AUKUS. But its financial cost may end up mattering more. Experts doubt that the new weaponry can be paid for under Australia’s current plans. The core defence budget is set to shrink in the next two years. Thereafter, total defence spending will rise only gradually, from the current 2% of gdp to about 2.3% in 2033.
For Hugh White of Australian National University, Australia would do better to defend waters closer to home with cheaper diesel-electric submarines. Efforts to preserve America’s primacy are doomed to fail, he says: America cannot win a conventional war close to China’s shore and may ultimately pull back from Asia.
Champions of AUKUS retort that losing Taiwan would mean the “Finlandisation” of much of Asia, ie, its subjugation to China even if countries remain sovereign. Moreover, adds Michael Green of the University of Sydney, China’s economic woes suggest its dominance is not preordained.
For America, the relationship showcases its effort to rally allies against China without suggesting it is rushing to war. Australia must balance a fear of abandonment against a reasonable fear of entanglement. Critics of AUKUS cite a comment attributed to Kurt Campbell, Mr Biden’s Asia “tsar”, who reputedly said of Australia: “We have them locked in now for the next 40 years.” Equally, though, Australia may have America locked in for the same duration.
https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/08/23/australia-is-becoming-americas-military-launch-pad-into-asia?
Peak Warming Man said:
The Fact Check debate.
Knock yourselves out.https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/special-report-meet-the-internet-s-arbiters-of-truth-running-the-censorship-industrial-complex/ar-AA1g4Ggn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=825f29ba5bba4374be4f9f0d25c74a5c&ei=18
Is Skynews still banned on Youtube?
Australia is becoming America’s military launchpad into Asia
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this isn’t exactly brand new
without re-quoting the whole long article…
As an Australian voter, I have been saying this for years. We (the west) have been selling China raw materials, and then buying their cheap manufactured goods, to our own detriment. China have been stealing intellectual property, undermining other competitors through state-aid in violation of WTO principles.. and all sorts of other underhand stuff. Now they are using that money to build a military to dominate the region and bully everyone else into submission, forcing countries to accept China’s ludicrous territorial claims.
The sooner we decouple from China, and re-couple with other nations who share our values the better. Linking our economic success to China without taking into account security considerations has been a mistake. The Chinese Scumunist Party cannot be trusted, and we need to stop fooling ourselves that we can “engage” or “manage the relationship”.
Fuck the CCP.
party_pants said:
without re-quoting the whole long article…As an Australian voter, I have been saying this for years. We (the west) have been selling China raw materials, and then buying their cheap manufactured goods, to our own detriment. China have been stealing intellectual property, undermining other competitors through state-aid in violation of WTO principles.. and all sorts of other underhand stuff. Now they are using that money to build a military to dominate the region and bully everyone else into submission, forcing countries to accept China’s ludicrous territorial claims.
The sooner we decouple from China, and re-couple with other nations who share our values the better. Linking our economic success to China without taking into account security considerations has been a mistake. The Chinese Scumunist Party cannot be trusted, and we need to stop fooling ourselves that we can “engage” or “manage the relationship”.
Fuck the CCP.
Square that circle of logic
dv said:
Australia is becoming America’s military launchpad into Asia—-
this isn’t exactly brand new
True. It is odler than me.
party_pants said:
without re-quoting the whole long article…As an Australian voter, I have been saying this for years. We (the west) have been selling China raw materials, and then buying their cheap manufactured goods, to our own detriment. China have been stealing intellectual property, undermining other competitors through state-aid in violation of WTO principles.. and all sorts of other underhand stuff. Now they are using that money to build a military to dominate the region and bully everyone else into submission, forcing countries to accept China’s ludicrous territorial claims.
The sooner we decouple from China, and re-couple with other nations who share our values the better. Linking our economic success to China without taking into account security considerations has been a mistake. The Chinese Scumunist Party cannot be trusted, and we need to stop fooling ourselves that we can “engage” or “manage the relationship”.
Fuck the CCP.
When we decouple from both Russia and China we will create a greater division. Australia is in a unique postion if we have the right leaders at this time. Let us hope we do.
dv said:
Australia is becoming America’s military launchpad into Asia—-
this isn’t exactly brand new
Yep.
American ships and submarines carrying weapons of mass destruction still dock here.
mollwollfumble said:
dv said:
Australia is becoming America’s military launchpad into Asia—-
this isn’t exactly brand new
Yep.
American ships and submarines carrying weapons of mass destruction still dock here.
Noncondenpol.
https://presscouncil.org.au/document/1840-complainant
The Australian Press Council has found that the Australian’s attacks on Louise Milligan and Sally Neighbour:
“ were inaccurate, unfair, lacked balance, caused unnecessary distress & not in the public interest.”
The Australian are required to publish these findings.
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2023/09/australian-polling-denial-and.html?m=1
Kev Bonham discusses Australian poll-denial
dv said:
good.
dv said:
Well that’s something you don’t see very often.
Essential poll taken over the weekend has yes 42, no 48, undecided 10.
Quite a bit of ground to make up
dv said:
Essential poll taken over the weekend has yes 42, no 48, undecided 10.Quite a bit of ground to make up
Punter 1 -: I don’t know what the Voice is so I look it up on the internet and all hell broke loose man.
Punter 2-: Yeah maybe if they didn’t use a made up term………..shrug……..
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Essential poll taken over the weekend has yes 42, no 48, undecided 10.Quite a bit of ground to make up
Punter 1 -: I don’t know what the Voice is so I look it up on the internet and all hell broke loose man.
Punter 2-: Yeah maybe if they didn’t use a made up term………..shrug……..
I blame Jason Derulo.
dv said:
Essential poll taken over the weekend has yes 42, no 48, undecided 10.Quite a bit of ground to make up
There’s still enough undecideds to sway the result.
I had a card in the letter box with “10 Reasons to Vote No at the Referendum”
Thing is, the same list could have been used to go against Robodebt, privatising the CES, or any number of Liberal schemes which they were all for at the time.
Neophyte said:
I had a card in the letter box with “10 Reasons to Vote No at the Referendum”Thing is, the same list could have been used to go against Robodebt, privatising the CES, or any number of Liberal schemes which they were all for at the time.
We got a letter from Dan Tehan (he is our local member of parliament) with exactly the same stuff that is in the booklet. I so nearly put it into a plain envelope, addressed it to him and posted it without a stamp. But then I decided not to bother because that would just waste our taxes when he paid for the postage out of his allowances.
Neophyte said:
I had a card in the letter box with “10 Reasons to Vote No at the Referendum”Thing is, the same list could have been used to go against Robodebt, privatising the CES, or any number of Liberal schemes which they were all for at the time.
Exactly.
Marise Payne is retiring.
buffy said:
Marise Payne is retiring.
The mean level of competency and decency in Coalition ranks will decline.
dv said:
buffy said:
Marise Payne is retiring.The mean level of competency and decency in Coalition ranks will decline.
It’s not good now. They are struggling with irrelevency too.
buffy said:
dv said:
buffy said:
Marise Payne is retiring.The mean level of competency and decency in Coalition ranks will decline.
It’s not good now. They are struggling with irrelevency too.
Can’t say I’ve ever been much of a fan of Marisa Payne… not sure she’s really a champion for progressive politics in the ranks of the LibNats
Western Australia’s former environmental protection chief has made the “extraordinary” claim that the previous premier Mark McGowan pressured him to withdraw tough new emissions guidelines.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-10/mark-mcgowan-phone-call-epa-emissions-targets-tom-hatton/102800212
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-11/housing-australia-future-fund-set-to-pass-parliament/102839558
Housing Australia Future Fund set to pass parliament after deal with Greens
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-11/housing-australia-future-fund-set-to-pass-parliament/102839558Housing Australia Future Fund set to pass parliament after deal with Greens
ok
How can she say she is proud of the party after outlining all that?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/karen-andrews-harassed-in-house-of-representatives/102839724
buffy said:
How can she say she is proud of the party after outlining all that?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/karen-andrews-harassed-in-house-of-representatives/102839724
It’s not official IPA doctrine that MPs exhibit toxic masculinity.
buffy said:
How can she say she is proud of the party after outlining all that?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/karen-andrews-harassed-in-house-of-representatives/102839724
Yes, it was childish sexist harassment and discrimination and all that, but at least it wasn’t that oafish working class childish sexist harassment and discrimination in which the other side of the House indulges.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
How can she say she is proud of the party after outlining all that?https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/karen-andrews-harassed-in-house-of-representatives/102839724
Yes, it was childish sexist harassment and discrimination and all that, but at least it wasn’t that oafish working class childish sexist harassment and discrimination in which the other side of the House indulges.
I actually found Tony incredibly personable and he was very good to my kids.”
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creepy.
Any of you who are still optimistic should get on that.
Hmm…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-14/voice-no-campaign-text-messages-questioned/102854572
(I’ll just state my position here…I’m most definitely not a fan of Sussssssssan of the many s’s. She was a Minister for Health for some of the time I was practising. I did not think she knew what she was doing.)
Gurner got his start with loans from his boss, grandfather
Rich Lister Tim Gurner took to the stage at this newspaper’s Property Summit on Tuesday to rail against “arrogant” employees and lazy tradies, and make a bewildering call for unemployment to rise “40 to 50 per cent”.
“We need to see pain in the economy,” Timbo said. “We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around.”
“There’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around. It’s a dynamic that has to change.”
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/gurner-got-his-start-with-loans-from-his-boss-grandfather-20230913-p5e48z
dv said:
Gurner got his start with loans from his boss, grandfatherRich Lister Tim Gurner took to the stage at this newspaper’s Property Summit on Tuesday to rail against “arrogant” employees and lazy tradies, and make a bewildering call for unemployment to rise “40 to 50 per cent”.
“We need to see pain in the economy,” Timbo said. “We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around.”
“There’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around. It’s a dynamic that has to change.”
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/gurner-got-his-start-with-loans-from-his-boss-grandfather-20230913-p5e48z
What an arse.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Gurner got his start with loans from his boss, grandfatherRich Lister Tim Gurner took to the stage at this newspaper’s Property Summit on Tuesday to rail against “arrogant” employees and lazy tradies, and make a bewildering call for unemployment to rise “40 to 50 per cent”.
“We need to see pain in the economy,” Timbo said. “We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around.”
“There’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around. It’s a dynamic that has to change.”
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/gurner-got-his-start-with-loans-from-his-boss-grandfather-20230913-p5e48z
What an arse.
Scruffy dick has never learnt to shave or tie a tie. I wouldn’t wouldn’t employ the bum.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Gurner got his start with loans from his boss, grandfatherRich Lister Tim Gurner took to the stage at this newspaper’s Property Summit on Tuesday to rail against “arrogant” employees and lazy tradies, and make a bewildering call for unemployment to rise “40 to 50 per cent”.
“We need to see pain in the economy,” Timbo said. “We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around.”
“There’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around. It’s a dynamic that has to change.”
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/gurner-got-his-start-with-loans-from-his-boss-grandfather-20230913-p5e48z
What an arse.
Scruffy dick has never learnt to shave or tie a tie. I wouldn’t wouldn’t employ the bum.
Two wouldn’ts for emphasis.
>I wouldn’t employ the bum
Some advice for Tim:
Bubblecar said:
>I wouldn’t employ the bumSome advice for Tim:
Gilletteen
Would you like to buy some air? Carbon rorts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_VVAbMtUUA
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-14/marcia-langton-racism-voice-bunburying/102857530
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-14/marcia-langton-racism-voice-bunburying/102857530
There are no lows too low for the Rupert press.
The defence force chief has warned the world is entering an era of “truth decay” where misinformation will undermine democracy and leave liberal, Western societies like Australia increasingly exposed to enemies.
What they failed to tell yous: STEMocracy is the solution. In fact they fail to mention S_EM at all, which we point out is exactly their problem.
SCIENCE said:
The defence force chief has warned the world is entering an era of “truth decay” where misinformation will undermine democracy and leave liberal, Western societies like Australia increasingly exposed to enemies.
What they failed to tell yous: STEMocracy is the solution. In fact they fail to mention S_EM at all, which we point out is exactly their problem.
We need a bumper boost to education in scientific and rational thinking.
Belatedly people are realising the devices and their nets are not our friends unless we can dramatically and successfully boost the education of the humans.
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:The defence force chief has warned the world is entering an era of “truth decay” where misinformation will undermine democracy and leave liberal, Western societies like Australia increasingly exposed to enemies.
What they failed to tell yous: STEMocracy is the solution. In fact they fail to mention S_EM at all, which we point out is exactly their problem.
We need a bumper boost to education in scientific and rational thinking.
Belatedly people are realising the devices and their nets are not our friends unless we can dramatically and successfully boost the education of the humans.
I mean the devices and the internet are valuable educational tools.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:The defence force chief has warned the world is entering an era of “truth decay” where misinformation will undermine democracy and leave liberal, Western societies like Australia increasingly exposed to enemies.
What they failed to tell yous: STEMocracy is the solution. In fact they fail to mention S_EM at all, which we point out is exactly their problem.
We need a bumper boost to education in scientific and rational thinking.
Belatedly people are realising the devices and their nets are not our friends unless we can dramatically and successfully boost the education of the humans.
I mean the devices and the internet are valuable educational tools.
Of course, when they’re effectively used for education.
But they’re also all too effectively used for the opposite purpose.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:We need a bumper boost to education in scientific and rational thinking.
Belatedly people are realising the devices and their nets are not our friends unless we can dramatically and successfully boost the education of the humans.
I mean the devices and the internet are valuable educational tools.
Of course, when they’re effectively used for education.
But they’re also all too effectively used for the opposite purpose.
yeah
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:We need a bumper boost to education in scientific and rational thinking.
Belatedly people are realising the devices and their nets are not our friends unless we can dramatically and successfully boost the education of the humans.
I mean the devices and the internet are valuable educational tools.
Of course, when they’re effectively used for education.
But they’re also all too effectively used for the opposite purpose.
yeah
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:The defence force chief has warned the world is entering an era of “truth decay” where misinformation will undermine democracy and leave liberal, Western societies like Australia increasingly exposed to enemies.
What they failed to tell yous: STEMocracy is the solution. In fact they fail to mention S_EM at all, which we point out is exactly their problem.
We need a bumper boost to education in scientific and rational thinking.
Belatedly people are realising the devices and their nets are not our friends unless we can dramatically and successfully boost the education of the humans.
I mean the devices and the internet are valuable educational tools.
And can be used as a valuable indoctrination tool.
sarahs mum said:
Highly likely a book I’ll never read.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Highly likely a book I’ll never read.
you’ll miss the bit where he played good samaritan to the refugees.
sarahs mum said:
What a maroon.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
What a maroon.
he’s a Blue
sarahs mum said:
Absolute piece of shit.
sarahs mum said:
What tiresome bit of kindling that promises to be.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
What a maroon.
He is not the maroon, but the people who place faith in what he says.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
What a maroon.
I won’t bother reading it.
Coalition MP who should probably know better
dv said:
Coalition MP who should probably know better
there is no way that is a legit account
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Coalition MP who should probably know better
there is no way that is a legit account
That’s me point…
dv said:
Coalition MP who should probably know better
Another Mark Latham?
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Coalition MP who should probably know better
Another Mark Latham?
Nay, he’s not smart enough to do that.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Coalition MP who should probably know better
there is no way that is a legit account
That’s me point…
well yes.. but I do find it amusing that it’s “verified”
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:there is no way that is a legit account
That’s me point…
well yes.. but I do find it amusing that it’s “verified”
Buut who verified it?
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:That’s me point…
well yes.. but I do find it amusing that it’s “verified”
Buut who verified it?
X, the artist formally know as Twitter
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Highly likely a book I’ll never read.
you’ll miss the bit where he played good samaritan to the refugees.
For sure. Because he wasn’t.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:well yes.. but I do find it amusing that it’s “verified”
Buut who verified it?
X, the artist formally know as Twitter
Heh.
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:Highly likely a book I’ll never read.
you’ll miss the bit where he played good samaritan to the refugees.
For sure. Because he wasn’t.
He never did.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:there is no way that is a legit account
That’s me point…
well yes.. but I do find it amusing that it’s “verified”
The full name says Commentary which I suppose is a fair enough indication that it isn’t purporting to be a government account
ROFL damn
dv said:
ROFL damn
I daresay there’ll be a few Ned buffs upsettled.
dv said:
Seconded.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Seconded.
dv said:
Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
I’ve thought that at times. Such a shame they don’t grow up earlier.
:)
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Seconded.
I think The Voice referendum should be renamed The Apartheid referendum.
Which RWNJ are you parroting now?
Ooh look! Life after ScoMo…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-21/josh-frydenberg-goldman-sachs-opts-against-political-return/102883634
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
,,,was not the look…
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
I’ve thought that at times. Such a shame they don’t grow up earlier.
:)
Seconded.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
We have the current NBN thanks to Turnbull, who worked very hard to get it just the way it is.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
With regards MT it all depends on what his stance was on unions. The Coalition’s one defining characteristic is to be anti-union no matter how socially liberal or RWNJ you may be.
captain_spalding said:
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
Now it is a party of thugs trying to behave like gentleman (and failing miserably…)
Some (like Dutton), are thugs and don’t even bother pretending they are anything but….
boppa said:
captain_spalding said:
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
Now it is a party of thugs trying to behave like gentleman (and failing miserably…)
Some (like Dutton), are thugs and don’t even bother pretending they are anything but….
Ex QLD police-member a thug? Well I never…
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
Jim Killen? JIM KILLEN??? We had him keynote speak and a company conference years ago. We were told to hide the scotch bottle from him. particularly at breakfast time. Even then he slid down the wall walking up to the stage.
The Liberal party is full of saints and sinners, outstanding men and women, rascals and scoundrels.
Much like the general population.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Strange the way some senior people from the Libs become quite reasonable people after retirement.
Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
And MT being mates of PK isn’t saying much. Bill Shorten was the best man of John Roskam the former executive director of the IPA. Old Xavieran secret men’s business sort of thing.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Liberal party is full of saints and sinners, outstanding men and women, rascals and scoundrels.
Much like the general population.
A pity the saints don’t do something more saintly when they are actually in a position of power then.
Witty Rejoinder said:
boppa said:
captain_spalding said:
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
Now it is a party of thugs trying to behave like gentleman (and failing miserably…)
Some (like Dutton), are thugs and don’t even bother pretending they are anything but….
Ex QLD police-member a thug? Well I never…
He wasn’t actually a police officer for very long. It was less than 10 years and he left injured. I was a bit surprised, because he seems to be defined by that. His business with his father is now over 20 years old, although he has been in parliament pretty much the whole time that business has been in existence. So really his career is as a politician, for twice as long as his career as a police person. (I had to look up those details in Wikipedia, I only remembered being surprised about how relatively short the time was in the police force)
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
Jim Killen? JIM KILLEN??? We had him keynote speak and a company conference years ago. We were told to hide the scotch bottle from him. particularly at breakfast time. Even then he slid down the wall walking up to the stage.
Yes, he was a great one for being ‘sociable’, it’strue.
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
We have the current NBN thanks to Turnbull, who worked very hard to get it just the way it is.
The L/NP was always going throw a whole box of spanners into the plans for the NBN, simply because it was the ALP’s plan for the NBN. Didn’t matter who was or wasn’t leader, didn’t matter which version was better, didn’t matter which version was cheaper or more expensive, it was Labor’s plan so it had to be ditched.
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
We have the current NBN thanks to Turnbull, who worked very hard to get it just the way it is.
The L/NP was always going throw a whole box of spanners into the plans for the NBN, simply because it was the ALP’s plan for the NBN. Didn’t matter who was or wasn’t leader, didn’t matter which version was better, didn’t matter which version was cheaper or more expensive, it was Labor’s plan so it had to be ditched.
~was the look for Labor at the- time.
Do you mean was the NOT look for Labor at the- time.
Tamb said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:We have the current NBN thanks to Turnbull, who worked very hard to get it just the way it is.
The L/NP was always going throw a whole box of spanners into the plans for the NBN, simply because it was the ALP’s plan for the NBN. Didn’t matter who was or wasn’t leader, didn’t matter which version was better, didn’t matter which version was cheaper or more expensive, it was Labor’s plan so it had to be ditched.
~was the look for Labor at the- time.
Do you mean was the NOT look for Labor at the- time.
I did.
An i made an attempt to issue a correction as soon as i spotted my omission.
Woodie said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
Jim Killen? JIM KILLEN??? We had him keynote speak and a company conference years ago. We were told to hide the scotch bottle from him. particularly at breakfast time. Even then he slid down the wall walking up to the stage.
Fuck me, was their performance so poor that you had to force a politician on them?
PermeateFree said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
We have the current NBN thanks to Turnbull, who worked very hard to get it just the way it is.
You might have it but I don’t. Despite the fact that I’ve been paying for it for at least a decade.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
PermeateFree said:Hewson was never a Liberal. He was too honest, empathetic and had a moral outlook.
Turnbull never really was one, either. A great mate of Paul Keating, he initially wanted to be part of the ALP, but it was deemed that recruiting another multi-multi-millionaire was the look for Labor at the- time.
And there was earlier examples, like Jim Killen. It used to said of the Libs that they’re a bunch of gentlemen trying to behave like thugs, but JK was a gentleman who always behaved like a gentleman. And who probably wouldn’t touch today’s Liberal party with a barge pole with a frankfurt tied to the end of it.
And MT being mates of PK isn’t saying much. Bill Shorten was the best man of John Roskam the former executive director of the IPA. Old Xavieran secret men’s business sort of thing.
They are all in it together.
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.booktopia.com.au/killing-for-country-david-marr/book/9781760642730.html
Labor urged to include news outlets in social media crackdown to curb ‘dangerous’ misinformation
Exclusive: Greens and independents say the exemption in disinformation bill will allow falsehoods to spread
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/sep/21/labor-urged-to-include-news-outlets-in-social-media-crackdown-to-curb-dangerous-misinformation
dv said:
Labor urged to include news outlets in social media crackdown to curb ‘dangerous’ misinformation
Exclusive: Greens and independents say the exemption in disinformation bill will allow falsehoods to spreadhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/sep/21/labor-urged-to-include-news-outlets-in-social-media-crackdown-to-curb-dangerous-misinformation
Probably ought to include pollies in the list, too.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Labor urged to include news outlets in social media crackdown to curb ‘dangerous’ misinformation
Exclusive: Greens and independents say the exemption in disinformation bill will allow falsehoods to spreadhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/sep/21/labor-urged-to-include-news-outlets-in-social-media-crackdown-to-curb-dangerous-misinformation
Probably ought to include pollies in the list, too.
+1
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Labor urged to include news outlets in social media crackdown to curb ‘dangerous’ misinformation
Exclusive: Greens and independents say the exemption in disinformation bill will allow falsehoods to spreadhttps://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/sep/21/labor-urged-to-include-news-outlets-in-social-media-crackdown-to-curb-dangerous-misinformation
Probably ought to include pollies in the list, too.
+1
and wookie.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Probably ought to include pollies in the list, too.
+1
and wookie.
Ha!
:)
Hey I wonder what George Christensen is up to these days, I hope he’s keeping busy.
dv said:
Hey I wonder what George Christensen is up to these days, I hope he’s keeping busy.
He’s not really important enough to be exposed for his activities in the PH.
dv said:
Hey I wonder what George Christensen is up to these days, I hope he’s keeping busy.
The matrix has probably swallowed him whole.
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.
Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Perhaps the decision to pull the plug on the Games money-pit is more popular than the lobby groups and media would admit?
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Perhaps the decision to pull the plug on the Games money-pit is more popular than the lobby groups and media would admit?
its this about fooball or an actual voice?
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Perhaps the decision to pull the plug on the Games money-pit is more popular than the lobby groups and media would admit?
its this about fooball or an actual voice?
Commonwealth Games.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
I wouldn’t go that far. I’d say that age isn’t representative here. It will be more about blood ties. Where your family is going.
dv said:
Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
You mean for cancelling the Commonwealth Games?
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Perhaps the decision to pull the plug on the Games money-pit is more popular than the lobby groups and media would admit?
its this about fooball or an actual voice?
Commonwealth Games.
bear with me while I apologise for misreading something.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
He couldn’t.
There would have to be a referendum to change the Constitution before Albo could make the change to the relevant part of the Constitution.
Section 128 of the Constitution says a referendum is passed if it is approved by a majority of voters across the nation and a majority of voters in a majority of states — a double majority.
So, Section 128 would have to be revised, to give a PM or government the license to make a change to how referendums are decided.
A referendum to decide on how to run a referendum.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
He couldn’t.
There would have to be a referendum to change the Constitution before Albo could make the change to the relevant part of the Constitution.
Section 128 of the Constitution says a referendum is passed if it is approved by a majority of voters across the nation and a majority of voters in a majority of states — a double majority.
So, Section 128 would have to be revised, to give a PM or government the license to make a change to how referendums are decided.
A referendum to decide on how to run a referendum.
OK. Thanks.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
But again, polls are what they are. What matters is what happens at the ballot box.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Shabby old bastards.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
We are not a normal sample reflective of the wider population. If I have learnt anything about the forum over the years I have learnt that.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
Unfortunately, us boomers are now at the age where, if nothing else, we’ve learnt to be suspicious (perhaps way too suspicious, but suspicious nonetheless) of anything that the people we ourselves elected tell us is ‘a good thing’.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
But again, polls are what they are. What matters is what happens at the ballot box.
Sounds like I’m sober. Probably should down another of those high strength coopers.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
We are not a normal sample reflective of the wider population. If I have learnt anything about the forum over the years I have learnt that.
Indeed so my dear researcher.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
Unfortunately, us boomers are now at the age where, if nothing else, we’ve learnt to be suspicious (perhaps way too suspicious, but suspicious nonetheless) of anything that the people we ourselves elected tell us is ‘a good thing’.
Well past the awareness of the age of Aquarius, for sure. ;)
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:Any demographics on the Yes and No? I’m assuming most No are ancient and younger voters are heavily Yes.
Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Shabby old bastards.
I will have you know that, while i am, incontrovertibly, both ‘old’ and ‘shabby’, i am not a bastard. At least, not in the line-of-descent meaning.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Not sure about these polls, but last week or the week before the only demographic in favour of YES was the 18-30 year olds. Everyone else was majority NO with the Boomers the farthest.
Shabby old bastards.
I will have you know that, while i am, incontrovertibly, both ‘old’ and ‘shabby’, i am not a bastard. At least, not in the line-of-descent meaning.
My papers indicate that I was born all legal like.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Well at a guess, a lot of us here could be classed as boomers.
But again, polls are what they are. What matters is what happens at the ballot box.
Sounds like I’m sober. Probably should down another of those high strength coopers.
Speaking as someone with no medical qualifications whatsoever (other than a First Aid to the Injured cert, and a Resusc Cert, both lapsed), i would say that that’s the best course.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:But again, polls are what they are. What matters is what happens at the ballot box.
Sounds like I’m sober. Probably should down another of those high strength coopers.
Speaking as someone with no medical qualifications whatsoever (other than a First Aid to the Injured cert, and a Resusc Cert, both lapsed), i would say that that’s the best course.
I have a diploma in community health education(drug and alcohol), I always wondered why the two had to be separated like that.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
Not the way the media are purporting it.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
Ref. my DTG 22/09/2023 19:47:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2077465
Subject: re: Australian politics – September 2023
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Essentials poll today has the Yes on 41, No on 51.Redbridge Group hhasa Vic poll out, ALP 56.5, Lib 43.5, so all the talk about opprobium for Dan Andrews is not translating into support for the opposition.
What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
^
I don’t really know understand how people in the NT and ACT will be counted in the total meaningfully. It does seem to me that there are many aborigines disenfranchised
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
^
I don’t really know understand how people in the NT and ACT will be counted in the total meaningfully. It does seem to me that there are many aborigines disenfranchised
They only get counted in the overall majority.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
^
I don’t really know understand how people in the NT and ACT will be counted in the total meaningfully. It does seem to me that there are many aborigines disenfranchised
Yeah good point
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:What I don’t understand is why didn’t Albo revise it to be a Federal yes/no rather than a state majority bullshit issue?
I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
^
I don’t really know understand how people in the NT and ACT will be counted in the total meaningfully. It does seem to me that there are many aborigines disenfranchised
This interests me as well.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:I’m not sure what you mean. Referenda in Australia always require an overall majority and a majority of states. It’s in the Constitution.
^
I don’t really know understand how people in the NT and ACT will be counted in the total meaningfully. It does seem to me that there are many aborigines disenfranchised
This interests me as well.
It is supposed to be harder than just a simple majority to make a change to the Constitution. That is how it was designed.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:^
I don’t really know understand how people in the NT and ACT will be counted in the total meaningfully. It does seem to me that there are many aborigines disenfranchised
This interests me as well.
It is supposed to be harder than just a simple majority to make a change to the Constitution. That is how it was designed.
It was designed as a federation of states. That makes territories second rate.
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:^
I don’t really know understand how people in the NT and ACT will be counted in the total meaningfully. It does seem to me that there are many aborigines disenfranchised
This interests me as well.
It is supposed to be harder than just a simple majority to make a change to the Constitution. That is how it was designed.
OK.
Sounds plausible maybe.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:This interests me as well.
It is supposed to be harder than just a simple majority to make a change to the Constitution. That is how it was designed.
It was designed as a federation of states. That makes territories second rate.
Well you can’t have territories running the show then.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:It is supposed to be harder than just a simple majority to make a change to the Constitution. That is how it was designed.
It was designed as a federation of states. That makes territories second rate.
Well you can’t have territories running the show then.
Which is why they were relegated thus.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:It was designed as a federation of states. That makes territories second rate.
Well you can’t have territories running the show then.
Which is why they were relegated thus.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
the NT is a state in all but name. Sure the feds can override legislation but I doubt they would in these days.
Bogsnorkler said:
the NT is a state in all but name. Sure the feds can override legislation but I doubt they would in these days.
It is all about these days isn’t it? Since we relegated the past days to who knows where that went.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Well you can’t have territories running the show then.
Which is why they were relegated thus.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the Army after lobby groups spend months declaring that ‘the government should do something’ and they’re surprised, shocked, and horrified when the government does something, only not what they might have been expecting.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
the NT is a state in all but name. Sure the feds can override legislation but I doubt they would in these days.
It is all about these days isn’t it? Since we relegated the past days to who knows where that went.
well, since 1974.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:Which is why they were relegated thus.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the Army after lobby groups spend months declaring that ‘the government should do something’ and they’re surprised, shocked, and horrified when the government does something, only not what they might have been expecting.
It’s like the intervention they did on the Jesuits.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:Which is why they were relegated thus.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the Army after lobby groups spend months declaring that ‘the government should do something’ and they’re surprised, shocked, and horrified when the government does something, only not what they might have been expecting.
So sounds like the eighteenth century still hasn’t faded away.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
the NT is a state in all but name. Sure the feds can override legislation but I doubt they would in these days.
It is all about these days isn’t it? Since we relegated the past days to who knows where that went.
well, since 1974.
That was even before they got rid of Don Mackay.
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the Army after lobby groups spend months declaring that ‘the government should do something’ and they’re surprised, shocked, and horrified when the government does something, only not what they might have been expecting.
It’s like the intervention they did on the Jesuits.
No one expected the Spanish Inquisition.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the Army after lobby groups spend months declaring that ‘the government should do something’ and they’re surprised, shocked, and horrified when the government does something, only not what they might have been expecting.
So sounds like the eighteenth century still hasn’t faded away.
I wouldn’t say it was the right thing, i wouldn’t say it was the best thing, i would say it was a modern-thinking sort of thing.
But, you need to be careful about what you’re asking for, and not leave too many blank spaces.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:Well you can’t have territories running the show then.
Which is why they were relegated thus.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
or that it was deemed necessary. I am sure if wa and vic had similar problems and were as remote they too would have had interventions. I doubt it had anything to do with it not being a state.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:It’s how you can run an intervention with the Army after lobby groups spend months declaring that ‘the government should do something’ and they’re surprised, shocked, and horrified when the government does something, only not what they might have been expecting.
So sounds like the eighteenth century still hasn’t faded away.
I wouldn’t say it was the right thing, i wouldn’t say it was the best thing, i would say it was a modern-thinking sort of thing.
But, you need to be careful about what you’re asking for, and not leave too many blank spaces.
Bugger my typing.
…i wouldn’t say it was a modern-thinking sort of thing.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:It is all about these days isn’t it? Since we relegated the past days to who knows where that went.
well, since 1974.
That was even before they got rid of Don Mackay.
and the relevance of that?
Bogsnorkler said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:Which is why they were relegated thus.
It’s how you can run an intervention with the army. Victoria or WA might get upset if you sent in the army.
or that it was deemed necessary. I am sure if wa and vic had similar problems and were as remote they too would have had interventions. I doubt it had anything to do with it not being a state.
Well you did have the Hutt river province. and we have had other secessionists (sic)
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:So sounds like the eighteenth century still hasn’t faded away.
I wouldn’t say it was the right thing, i wouldn’t say it was the best thing, i would say it was a modern-thinking sort of thing.
But, you need to be careful about what you’re asking for, and not leave too many blank spaces.
Bugger my typing.
…i wouldn’t say it was a modern-thinking sort of thing.
I did grok that there were errors worth accounting for.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:well, since 1974.
That was even before they got rid of Don Mackay.
and the relevance of that?
Another government plot to hide the details,.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:That was even before they got rid of Don Mackay.
and the relevance of that?
Another government plot to hide the details,.
na.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:and the relevance of that?
Another government plot to hide the details,.
na.
You think not?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:Another government plot to hide the details,.
na.
You think not?
mafia. blood and bone works.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:na.
You think not?
mafia. blood and bone works.
all true but have you not noticed who treats who?
Back in the day it was Neville Wran who got invited to all the Mafia private receptions.
I don’t doubt that others have followed same or similar paths.
What was his name? Barilaro?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:You think not?
mafia. blood and bone works.
all true but have you not noticed who treats who? Back in the day it was Neville Wran who got invited to all the Mafia private receptions.
I don’t doubt that others have followed same or similar paths.
What was his name? Barilaro?
True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:mafia. blood and bone works.
all true but have you not noticed who treats who? Back in the day it was Neville Wran who got invited to all the Mafia private receptions.
I don’t doubt that others have followed same or similar paths.
What was his name? Barilaro?
True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
and who did he take over NSW from? and what were his creds/discreds?
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:mafia. blood and bone works.
all true but have you not noticed who treats who? Back in the day it was Neville Wran who got invited to all the Mafia private receptions.
I don’t doubt that others have followed same or similar paths.
What was his name? Barilaro?
True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
Neville, the Million Dollar Man. He’d go along with anything, if there was at least million in it for him.
And, even at that, he was an improvement over Robert/Robin Askin.
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:all true but have you not noticed who treats who? Back in the day it was Neville Wran who got invited to all the Mafia private receptions.
I don’t doubt that others have followed same or similar paths.
What was his name? Barilaro?
True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
and who did he take over NSW from? and what were his creds/discreds?
Wasn’t he the bloke who said “run over the bastards”?
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:all true but have you not noticed who treats who? Back in the day it was Neville Wran who got invited to all the Mafia private receptions.
I don’t doubt that others have followed same or similar paths.
What was his name? Barilaro?
True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
and who did he take over NSW from? and what were his creds/discreds?
Askin, I think.
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
and who did he take over NSW from? and what were his creds/discreds?
Askin, I think.
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2077569/
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:all true but have you not noticed who treats who? Back in the day it was Neville Wran who got invited to all the Mafia private receptions.
I don’t doubt that others have followed same or similar paths.
What was his name? Barilaro?
True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
Neville, the Million Dollar Man. He’d go along with anything, if there was at least million in it for him.
And, even at that, he was an improvement over Robert/Robin Askin.
“Askin was a marvellous businessman. There are statues of him all over Switzerland”
from a Max Gillies album I used to wn.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:True re Neville. Premier. Treasurer. Minister for police, racing.
Neville, the Million Dollar Man. He’d go along with anything, if there was at least million in it for him.
And, even at that, he was an improvement over Robert/Robin Askin.
“Askin was a marvellous businessman. There are statues of him all over Switzerland”
from a Max Gillies album I used to wn.
I did love Max’s work. He was a well resourced and clever reporter of things worth humourising.
Bogsnorkler said:
the NT is a state in all but name. Sure the feds can override legislation but I doubt they would in these days.
IdK… I suspect the Dutton govt would have a go
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
the NT is a state in all but name. Sure the feds can override legislation but I doubt they would in these days.
IdK… I suspect the Dutton govt would have a go
While ever he is at the helm.
Tony Abbott AC and Peggy Johnson Nominated to the Board of Directors of Fox Corporation
New York, NY and Los Angeles, CA – September 22, 2023 – Fox Corporation (“FOX”) (Nasdaq: FOXA, FOX), today announced that Tony Abbott AC and Margaret “Peggy” L. Johnson have been nominated to the Board of Directors. Their nominations will be considered by shareholders at the 2023 Fox Corporation Annual Meeting later this year. Additionally, Jacques Nasser AC and Anne Dias will be finishing their terms of service following the Annual Meeting, having served as Directors of the Company since 2019.
https://www.foxcorporation.com/news/corp-press-releases/2023/tony-abbott-ac-and-peggy-johnson-nominated-to-the-board-of-directors-of-fox-corporation/
dv said:
Tony Abbott AC and Peggy Johnson Nominated to the Board of Directors of Fox Corporation
New York, NY and Los Angeles, CA – September 22, 2023 – Fox Corporation (“FOX”) (Nasdaq: FOXA, FOX), today announced that Tony Abbott AC and Margaret “Peggy” L. Johnson have been nominated to the Board of Directors. Their nominations will be considered by shareholders at the 2023 Fox Corporation Annual Meeting later this year. Additionally, Jacques Nasser AC and Anne Dias will be finishing their terms of service following the Annual Meeting, having served as Directors of the Company since 2019.https://www.foxcorporation.com/news/corp-press-releases/2023/tony-abbott-ac-and-peggy-johnson-nominated-to-the-board-of-directors-of-fox-corporation/
That’ll be the doing of bloody Peta Credlin.
dv said:
Tony Abbott AC and Peggy Johnson Nominated to the Board of Directors of Fox Corporation
New York, NY and Los Angeles, CA – September 22, 2023 – Fox Corporation (“FOX”) (Nasdaq: FOXA, FOX), today announced that Tony Abbott AC and Margaret “Peggy” L. Johnson have been nominated to the Board of Directors. Their nominations will be considered by shareholders at the 2023 Fox Corporation Annual Meeting later this year. Additionally, Jacques Nasser AC and Anne Dias will be finishing their terms of service following the Annual Meeting, having served as Directors of the Company since 2019.https://www.foxcorporation.com/news/corp-press-releases/2023/tony-abbott-ac-and-peggy-johnson-nominated-to-the-board-of-directors-of-fox-corporation/
Manus manum lavat.
I’m hoping that the Fusion Party get a bigger slice of the pie and quickly.
The 90,000-plus fans who piled into the MCG on Friday night combined for an emphatic Welcome to Country statement in the wake of Sam Newman’s inflammatory remarks.
The controversial AFL figure again triggered uproar this week when, on his podcast You Cannot Be Serious, he called for spectators to boo or “slow-hand clap” during the Welcome to Country ceremonies at the AFL preliminary finals.
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2023-collingwood-magpies-gws-giants-sam-newman-welcome-to-country/3655f48d-739c-4346-b6c7-3968f1836e2f
NT Chief Minister Natasha Fyles allegedly assaulted with cream-covered pancake at Nightcliff Markets
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-24/nt-chief-minister-natasha-fyles-assaulted-nightcliff-markets/102895156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
NT Chief Minister Natasha Fyles allegedly assaulted with cream-covered pancake at Nightcliff Markets
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-24/nt-chief-minister-natasha-fyles-assaulted-nightcliff-markets/102895156
sarahs mum said:
NT Chief Minister Natasha Fyles allegedly assaulted with cream-covered pancake at Nightcliff Marketshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-24/nt-chief-minister-natasha-fyles-assaulted-nightcliff-markets/102895156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
Ha, snap :)
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
NT Chief Minister Natasha Fyles allegedly assaulted with cream-covered pancake at Nightcliff Marketshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-24/nt-chief-minister-natasha-fyles-assaulted-nightcliff-markets/102895156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w
Ha, snap :)
:)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/perth-councils-crack-down-on-homeless-sleeping-in-vans/102842798
Hmm.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-25/mike-pezzullo-home-affairs-secretary-scott-briggs-text-messages/102896034
buffy said:
Hmm.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-25/mike-pezzullo-home-affairs-secretary-scott-briggs-text-messages/102896034
It’s a wonder he wasn’t replaced as a matter of course when Labor took over.
buffy said:
Hmm.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-25/mike-pezzullo-home-affairs-secretary-scott-briggs-text-messages/102896034
Former Home Affairs minister now Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said Mr Pezzullo “conducted himself in a thoroughly professional way in my dealings with him”.
“He even wore the full SS uniform to our meetings, which was more than most bothered to do. Absolute professional.”
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:CATS: Ha ha ha haHmm.Former Home Affairs minister now Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said Mr Pezzullo “conducted himself in a thoroughly professional way in my dealings with him”.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-25/mike-pezzullo-home-affairs-secretary-scott-briggs-text-messages/102896034
“He even wore the full SS uniform to our meetings, which was more than most bothered to do. Absolute professional.”
They Sent the Riot Squad in
friendlyjordies
1.2M subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Oz51c1LI8
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Damn. that’s like Tasmania in the 90s.
buffy said:
Hmm.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-25/mike-pezzullo-home-affairs-secretary-scott-briggs-text-messages/102896034
A couple more links on that topic.
Spiny Norman said:
buffy said:
Hmm.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-25/mike-pezzullo-home-affairs-secretary-scott-briggs-text-messages/102896034
A couple more links on that topic.
Oops, the other link …
https://www.smh.com.au/national/modern-version-of-the-d-notice-how-the-home-affairs-boss-tried-to-stifle-press-freedom-20230919-p5e5sy.html
Dan Andrews has resigned.
Seems a good time. His govt is ahead 56.5 – 43.5% in the polls, get out while you’re on top and still young, enjoy life
Witty Rejoinder said:
Dan Andrews has resigned.
He should have waited until next year to make it a round decade.
No doubt his masters in Beijing ordered him to
So I suppose the deputy, Jacinta Allan, is the front runner to take his place.
The reign of Daniel Andrews has come to an end.
The West Report
The reign of Dan Andrews has come to an end. Was he as bad as the Herald Sun made him out to be? Or will he be remembered as one of Victoria’s best longest serving Premiers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ay4wiadBg
sarahs mum said:
The reign of Daniel Andrews has come to an end.
The West Report
The reign of Dan Andrews has come to an end. Was he as bad as the Herald Sun made him out to be? Or will he be remembered as one of Victoria’s best longest serving Premiers?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ay4wiadBg
The uglies still like to pretend that Labor are hugely unpopular in the state that keeps voting Labor.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
The reign of Daniel Andrews has come to an end.
The West Report
The reign of Dan Andrews has come to an end. Was he as bad as the Herald Sun made him out to be? Or will he be remembered as one of Victoria’s best longest serving Premiers?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ay4wiadBg
The uglies still like to pretend that Labor are hugely unpopular in the state that keeps voting Labor.
The government keep thinking Murdoch has it all as Australians stop buying newspapers and stop watching certain TV stations.
Although Murdoch will probably be a good bit of why YES fails.
Elise Archer has announced that she is reconsidering quitting, would sit on the crossbenches if she decided to continue and would NOT guarantee confidence and supply to the government. “” no longer part of the government. They have themselves to blame.” She has said she will take “some time” to consider her decision following an outpouring of support. (The outpouring is real enough, over 150 mostly supportive comments on Facebook.)
Some comments re this:
1. Archer is under no obligation to resign from Parliament, she remains as an independent until such time as she formally resigns by letter. Nothing she has said commits her to resign.
2. This is potentially a very unstable situation. If Archer continues to think about whether to resign the Premier does not know at what point Archer might resign and cannot know when he should prorogue the Parliament to. A reminder that prorogation is discretional and the Governor might not necessarily accept ‘oh just prorogue it til <date x=""> because there is someone who might quit’.</date>
3. At any time if Archer resigns it will take at least two weeks to hold the recount, so if Archer were to think about it for two weeks then resign, that could severely affect this year’s remaining sittings, which are already overcrowded.
There may now be a further bombardment of dirt against the former Attorney-General to attempt to blast her out.
In case it comes to that, the earliest date for an election is November 4 and the election will be 35 seats
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2023/09/elise-archer-resignation-and-recounts.html?m=1