▪️Putin said there were no results from the Ukrainian counter-offensive, but there had been heavy losses – 71,500 Ukrainian troops, 543 tanks and 18,000 armoured vehicles destroyed;

▪️The Russian Defence Ministry said that the Ukrainian troops’ assault units had suffered heavy losses near the settlement of Opytnoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic and had failed to gain a foothold in the settlement;

▪️The Ministry of Defence added that over the course of the day, Kiev had lost about 400 people in the Donetsk and South Donetsk direction, up to 80 in the Kherson direction, 45 in the Krasny Liman direction, 35 in the Zaporozhye direction and 25 in the Kupyansk direction;

▪️In the Kupyansk direction, the Russian Armed Forces destroyed a Turkish-made T-122 Sakarya MLRS combat vehicle, the Defence Ministry added;

▪️The Defence Ministry said Russian air defence systems shot down a Ukrainian drone over the Belgorod region, which was intended to attack Russian facilities;

▪️Kiev launched a drone attack on Energodar on Monday; ZNPP security is fully ensured, but there is a risk of attacks from Ukraine, Rosatom chief Likhachev said;

▪️UN is very concerned about reports of cluster munitions deliveries in Ukraine conflict situation, says Deputy Secretary-General.

Ukrainian teenagers aged 16-17 are finding it increasingly difficult to leave Ukraine.

There are more and more cases of them just being thrown off the bus. Ukrainians in the comments say the teenagers must leave immediately before Zelensky’s regime comes up with something else.

“Don’t hesitate, you have to leave while they are letting them out.”

“My son wanted to leave, they wouldn’t let him out. He persuaded them somehow”;

“Recently I was travelling from Ukraine and at the border they dropped off a 17-year-old, they wouldn’t let him through”.

The decision is logical: with so many casualties, Zelensky will need 18-year-old boys to replenish his reserves.

🇲🇱 Mali rebels claim control of northern military camp

Tuareg rebels in northern Mali said on Tuesday that they had seized control of a military camp in the town of Bourem, a further sign of the unravelling of a 2015 peace accord that had kept fighting between the rebels and the army at bay.

A rebel alliance called the Coordination of Azawad Movements (CMA) has been fighting the army since August.

Clashes appear to be intensifying as both sides seek to control territory in areas recently vacated by the U.N. Bourem is just 90 km north of the strategic city of Gao.

“I confirm the CMA took control of the camp around 10 a.m. after very violent fighting,” said CMA spokesperson. He said there had been casualties but that he did not yet know the death toll.

the irony.

18,000 armoured vehicles destroyed

That’s a lot how do or did they have so many at this stage in the war anti Nazi police action

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian teenagers aged 16-17 are finding it increasingly difficult to leave Ukraine.

There are more and more cases of them just being thrown off the bus. Ukrainians in the comments say the teenagers must leave immediately before Zelensky’s regime comes up with something else.

“Don’t hesitate, you have to leave while they are letting them out.”

“My son wanted to leave, they wouldn’t let him out. He persuaded them somehow”;

“Recently I was travelling from Ukraine and at the border they dropped off a 17-year-old, they wouldn’t let him through”.

The decision is logical: with so many casualties, Zelensky will need 18-year-old boys to replenish his reserves.

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Bogsnorkler said:

the irony.

That it is.

Right got to go to a school good old boys reunion for lunch.
Many lies will be told.

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian teenagers aged 16-17 are finding it increasingly difficult to leave Ukraine.

There are more and more cases of them just being thrown off the bus. Ukrainians in the comments say the teenagers must leave immediately before Zelensky’s regime comes up with something else.

“Don’t hesitate, you have to leave while they are letting them out.”

“My son wanted to leave, they wouldn’t let him out. He persuaded them somehow”;

“Recently I was travelling from Ukraine and at the border they dropped off a 17-year-old, they wouldn’t let him through”.

The decision is logical: with so many casualties, Zelensky will need 18-year-old boys to replenish his reserves.

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian teenagers aged 16-17 are finding it increasingly difficult to leave Ukraine.

There are more and more cases of them just being thrown off the bus. Ukrainians in the comments say the teenagers must leave immediately before Zelensky’s regime comes up with something else.

“Don’t hesitate, you have to leave while they are letting them out.”

“My son wanted to leave, they wouldn’t let him out. He persuaded them somehow”;

“Recently I was travelling from Ukraine and at the border they dropped off a 17-year-old, they wouldn’t let him through”.

The decision is logical: with so many casualties, Zelensky will need 18-year-old boys to replenish his reserves.

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I bet you think fukishima was a nothing burger too.

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian teenagers aged 16-17 are finding it increasingly difficult to leave Ukraine.

There are more and more cases of them just being thrown off the bus. Ukrainians in the comments say the teenagers must leave immediately before Zelensky’s regime comes up with something else.

“Don’t hesitate, you have to leave while they are letting them out.”

“My son wanted to leave, they wouldn’t let him out. He persuaded them somehow”;

“Recently I was travelling from Ukraine and at the border they dropped off a 17-year-old, they wouldn’t let him through”.

The decision is logical: with so many casualties, Zelensky will need 18-year-old boys to replenish his reserves.

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I really doubt anyone would want to enter this ‘special operation’, for fear they’ll be labelled Nazis.

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I bet you think fukishima was a nothing burger too.

If you are talking about the release of waste water, it was less harnful than what China releases..

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Ukrainian teenagers aged 16-17 are finding it increasingly difficult to leave Ukraine.

There are more and more cases of them just being thrown off the bus. Ukrainians in the comments say the teenagers must leave immediately before Zelensky’s regime comes up with something else.

“Don’t hesitate, you have to leave while they are letting them out.”

“My son wanted to leave, they wouldn’t let him out. He persuaded them somehow”;

“Recently I was travelling from Ukraine and at the border they dropped off a 17-year-old, they wouldn’t let him through”.

The decision is logical: with so many casualties, Zelensky will need 18-year-old boys to replenish his reserves.

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I’m happy to change my mind when provided with new facts.

I haven’t seen you provide facts lately, only putins propaganda.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I really doubt anyone would want to enter this ‘special operation’, for fear they’ll be labelled Nazis.

Australia has no problems supplying, arming, training NAZI troops , once you accept that you just shrug your shoulders – another war with no justification. Iraq had no WMDS, Vietnam did NOT attack the US navy in the gulf of tonkin, bin laden LEFT Afghanistan – the Americans watched him cross the Pakistani border , why did we fight 20 years in Afghanistan?

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

That’s the thing with fascists, every accusation is a confession.

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I’m happy to change my mind when provided with new facts.

I haven’t seen you provide facts lately, only putins propaganda.

You don’t want facts Kingy

Did Iraq have WMDs ?

It won’t matter now anyway

Russia is past “negotiations” now , the only deal the west and its retarded governments will get are thousands of russian tanks moving westwards.

wookiemeister said:

It won’t matter now anyway

Russia is past “negotiations” now , the only deal the west and its retarded governments will get are thousands of russian tanks moving westwards.

Russia never intended to negotiate.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

It won’t matter now anyway

Russia is past “negotiations” now , the only deal the west and its retarded governments will get are thousands of russian tanks moving westwards.

Russia never intended to negotiate.

Merkel came out and said Germany had no intention to honour the Minsk agreements.

A former Italian prime minister came out recently and said it was widely known in higher circles that the French shot down an Italian passenger because they thought gadaffi was on board

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I’m happy to change my mind when provided with new facts.

I haven’t seen you provide facts lately, only putins propaganda.

You don’t want facts Kingy

Did Iraq have WMDs ?

Did Ukraine mass thousands of troops on the border prior to putins invasion?

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

I’m happy to change my mind when provided with new facts.

I haven’t seen you provide facts lately, only putins propaganda.

You don’t want facts Kingy

Did Iraq have WMDs ?

Did Ukraine mass thousands of troops on the border prior to putins invasion?

They moved in 150,000 troops to the frontlines of the breakaway Republics – the russians landed the first blow because of ww2 , they sat back as the nazis filled up the border area with troops and allowed the nazis the first punch

Napoleon – lands the first punch
Hitler – lands the first punch

Apparently the russians cleaned up NATO forces in ukraine in the first month. Most of those initial troops intended to invade eastwards are dead.

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

You don’t want facts Kingy

Did Iraq have WMDs ?

Did Ukraine mass thousands of troops on the border prior to putins invasion?

They moved in 150,000 troops to the frontlines of the breakaway Republics – the russians landed the first blow because of ww2 , they sat back as the nazis filled up the border area with troops and allowed the nazis the first punch

Napoleon – lands the first punch
Hitler – lands the first punch

Apparently the russians cleaned up NATO forces in ukraine in the first month. Most of those initial troops intended to invade eastwards are dead.

!!

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

It won’t matter now anyway

Russia is past “negotiations” now , the only deal the west and its retarded governments will get are thousands of russian tanks moving westwards.

Russia never intended to negotiate.

Merkel came out and said Germany had no intention to honour the Minsk agreements.

A former Italian prime minister came out recently and said it was widely known in higher circles that the French shot down an Italian passenger because they thought gadaffi was on board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

wookiemeister said:

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I’m happy to change my mind when provided with new facts.

I haven’t seen you provide facts lately, only putins propaganda.

You don’t want facts Kingy

Did Iraq have WMDs ?

Prince Philip was on the board of the weapons lab in Basra.

It was hard trying to convince anyone here there were no Iraqi WMDs still hard after 20 years.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Kingy said:

I’m happy to change my mind when provided with new facts.

I haven’t seen you provide facts lately, only putins propaganda.

You don’t want facts Kingy

Did Iraq have WMDs ?

Prince Philip was on the board of the weapons lab in Basra.

Ask bush – he made a joke about not finding any WMDs

I am the ghost of Christmas past

All those lies they’ve been telling for decades

People never wake up

wookiemeister said:

It was hard trying to convince anyone here there were no Iraqi WMDs still hard after 20 years.

I have no problem with that, I thought it was bullshit right from the start. Bush Jr wanted to “finish the job” and the sycophants around him egged him on. Any excuse would do.

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

You don’t want facts Kingy

Did Iraq have WMDs ?

Prince Philip was on the board of the weapons lab in Basra.

Ask bush – he made a joke about not finding any WMDs

I am the ghost of Christmas past

All those lies they’ve been telling for decades

People never wake up

No you’re just a useful idiot.

It’s not over until the last child is thrown overboard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Kingy said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Properly stated .. “Russian invasion of Urkraine”. This is not misinformation.

Kind of makes me what things would have turned out like if wookie’s parents had given him 400 million dollars.

dv said:

Kind of makes me what things would have turned out like if wookie’s parents had given him 400 million dollars.

oof!

dv said:

Kind of makes me what things would have turned out like if wookie’s parents had given him 400 million dollars.

couldn’t have made him a bigger liar than he is now.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Kind of makes me what things would have turned out like if wookie’s parents had given him 400 million dollars.

couldn’t have made him a bigger liar than he is now.

Right but he would have had a bigger stage.

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Kind of makes me what things would have turned out like if wookie’s parents had given him 400 million dollars.

couldn’t have made him a bigger liar than he is now.

Right but he would have had a bigger stage.

and he should be on the stage. the first one outta town!

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

couldn’t have made him a bigger liar than he is now.

Right but he would have had a bigger stage.

and he should be on the stage. the first one outta town!

Late stage

https://www.rt.com/russia/582861-viktor-bout-wins-seat/amp/

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Kind of makes me what things would have turned out like if wookie’s parents had given him 400 million dollars.

couldn’t have made him a bigger liar than he is now.

Wookie is a valued and cherished member of this forum

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

dv said:

Kind of makes me what things would have turned out like if wookie’s parents had given him 400 million dollars.

Or he got a medal for helping destroy the first Death Star

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

You’ve said you’d kill if someone threatened your family and politicians are sometimes tasked to do the same for the lives of their citizens.

wookiemeister said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

couldn’t have made him a bigger liar than he is now.

Wookie is a valued and cherished member of this forum

Just as we might not know what ‘rich’ is without having ‘poor’ as a comparison.

Just as we might not understand ‘beauty’ if there was no ‘ugly’.

So might we not understand ‘sane’ without…

wookiemeister said:

dv said:

Bogsnorkler said:

couldn’t have made him a bigger liar than he is now.

Wookie is a valued and cherished member of this forum

thread title holds up

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

Human lives are too short to get rich in unless you have a get rich quick scheme which often has the lives of others shortened even more.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

Human lives are too short to get rich in unless you have a get rich quick scheme which often has the lives of others shortened even more.

Yes I wonder about the honesty of people that they can live with the decision that ends the lives of people minding their own business in the name of national security
Especially when they aren’t above board themselves and have done exactly what they are fighting against but are the “good guys”
I mean its all bullshit, empires hold onto and gain power by death and destruction most of the time.

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

Human lives are too short to get rich in unless you have a get rich quick scheme which often has the lives of others shortened even more.

Yes I wonder about the honesty of people that they can live with the decision that ends the lives of people minding their own business in the name of national security
Especially when they aren’t above board themselves and have done exactly what they are fighting against but are the “good guys”
I mean its all bullshit, empires hold onto and gain power by death and destruction most of the time.

and why? The hearse hasn’t got a tow bar.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

Human lives are too short to get rich in unless you have a get rich quick scheme which often has the lives of others shortened even more.

Yes I wonder about the honesty of people that they can live with the decision that ends the lives of people minding their own business in the name of national security
Especially when they aren’t above board themselves and have done exactly what they are fighting against but are the “good guys”
I mean its all bullshit, empires hold onto and gain power by death and destruction most of the time.

and why? The hearse hasn’t got a tow bar.

there’s only one destination in the final taxi.

🔹🇷🇺 The key points from the new briefing of the Russian Ministry of Defense:

➡️The Russian Armed Forces destroyed a military defense ammunition warehouse in the Kharkov region, up to 85 Ukrainian military personnel were destroyed in the Kupyansk direction per day;

➡️The Russian Armed Forces in the Donetsk direction repelled eight attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of Andreevka, Kleshcheevka, Krasnogorovka, Pervomaisky;

➡️The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donetsk direction amounted to up to 140 Ukrainian military personnel;

➡️The Russian Armed Forces repelled two attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Krasnoliman direction in one day, enemy losses amounted to up to 65 military personnel;

➡️Russian troops repelled two attacks by assault groups of UAF marines in the areas of Novomayorsky in the DPR and Priyutny in the Zaporozhye region;

➡️The Russian Armed Forces defeated a concentration of manpower of the 124th Terrestrial Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Alekseevsky Island.

A quote from a novel I was reading recently, about a different war.

The press releases “from the American Embassy” were so biased that “I was seriously considering turning to Pravda for more reliable information”.

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

There’s one school of thought that says putin has become the better politician simply because he’s been in the situation longer. “Democratically” elected managers are usually only there for a few years – putin has been there for decades.

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

There’s one school of thought that says putin has become the better politician simply because he’s been in the situation longer. “Democratically” elected managers are usually only there for a few years – putin has been there for decades.

Years in the job don’t make a bad mechanic any better. Not unless the bad mechanic has a better mentor.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

Time to get Australian boots on the ground – eh kingy?

Lead us into another war we can’t win. Remember the other 20 year war and the war where we attacked Iraq because it had no WMDs ??

No amount of history, facts or reasoning will ever change your mind.

I bet you think fukishima was a nothing burger too.

If you are talking about the release of waste water, it was less harnful than what China releases..

See – that’s what I’m talking about

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

There’s one school of thought that says putin has become the better politician simply because he’s been in the situation longer. “Democratically” elected managers are usually only there for a few years – putin has been there for decades.

Years in the job don’t make a bad mechanic any better. Not unless the bad mechanic has a better mentor.

I’d disagree

It teaches you what you need to do and what you can get away with, as long as the car goes no one complains except the end user who knows what should be done.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

I bet you think fukishima was a nothing burger too.

If you are talking about the release of waste water, it was less harnful than what China releases..

See – that’s what I’m talking about

Fukishima was a balls up because TEPCO didn’t know what it was doing. I remember at the time the SSSF forum going 50/50 if this was really that bad at all. An exploding nuclear power station was no bug deal. There’s still a no go zone around the place.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

I bet you think fukishima was a nothing burger too.

If you are talking about the release of waste water, it was less harnful than what China releases..

See – that’s what I’m talking about

China and Russia? Yes they do release more dangerous waste water.

I remember as a teenager debating with a much older man about politicians , he said “Margaret Thatcher was a very good politician “ I was dumbfounded after living through her absolutely astonishly stupid rule and countered by listing all the balls ups. He countered – no, you don’t see what I mean – a good politician is able to STAY in power, whether they do good things or bad things, the fact they STAY as a politician means they stay doing their job.

I suppose once they are done after a few decades of devastating they move on into the private sector as a manager on lots of money. They would have transferred BILLIONS of dollars into the accounts of infrastructure companies during their time in power. Think of the more notable politicians that have “retired” recently. Think of that stupid bitch that ran NSW , she smashed down a perfectly good stadium in Sydney to build another one for 1 billion dollars of tax payer money. There’s always a pay off for stupid and destructive behaviour – it literally rewards them for doing stupid things

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

If you are talking about the release of waste water, it was less harnful than what China releases..

See – that’s what I’m talking about

China and Russia? Yes they do release more dangerous waste water.

The british made the Irish sea radioactive – Sellafield/ windscale / seascale, I think they kept changing the name.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

See – that’s what I’m talking about

China and Russia? Yes they do release more dangerous waste water.

The british made the Irish sea radioactive – Sellafield/ windscale / seascale, I think they kept changing the name.

I’m no fan of nuclear waste management.

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

I don’t think any of us here think any nation hasn’t dirty secrets and the blood of many on its hands.
The Russia’s are one of the nastier ones that’s all.
I always wonder are various leaders that come and go really comfortable with the decisions they make and the military partners they choose.
Are they that blind or corrupted by dogma and power.

There’s one school of thought that says putin has become the better politician simply because he’s been in the situation longer. “Democratically” elected managers are usually only there for a few years – putin has been there for decades.

Tin Soldier

wookiemeister said:

I remember as a teenager debating with a much older man about politicians , he said “Margaret Thatcher was a very good politician “ I was dumbfounded after living through her absolutely astonishly stupid rule and countered by listing all the balls ups. He countered – no, you don’t see what I mean – a good politician is able to STAY in power, whether they do good things or bad things, the fact they STAY as a politician means they stay doing their job.

I suppose once they are done after a few decades of devastating they move on into the private sector as a manager on lots of money. They would have transferred BILLIONS of dollars into the accounts of infrastructure companies during their time in power. Think of the more notable politicians that have “retired” recently. Think of that stupid bitch that ran NSW , she smashed down a perfectly good stadium in Sydney to build another one for 1 billion dollars of tax payer money. There’s always a pay off for stupid and destructive behaviour – it literally rewards them for doing stupid things

Every now and then, you say something which is patently true.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I remember as a teenager debating with a much older man about politicians , he said “Margaret Thatcher was a very good politician “ I was dumbfounded after living through her absolutely astonishly stupid rule and countered by listing all the balls ups. He countered – no, you don’t see what I mean – a good politician is able to STAY in power, whether they do good things or bad things, the fact they STAY as a politician means they stay doing their job.

I suppose once they are done after a few decades of devastating they move on into the private sector as a manager on lots of money. They would have transferred BILLIONS of dollars into the accounts of infrastructure companies during their time in power. Think of the more notable politicians that have “retired” recently. Think of that stupid bitch that ran NSW , she smashed down a perfectly good stadium in Sydney to build another one for 1 billion dollars of tax payer money. There’s always a pay off for stupid and destructive behaviour – it literally rewards them for doing stupid things

Every now and then, you say something which is patently true.

✅

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I remember as a teenager debating with a much older man about politicians , he said “Margaret Thatcher was a very good politician “ I was dumbfounded after living through her absolutely astonishly stupid rule and countered by listing all the balls ups. He countered – no, you don’t see what I mean – a good politician is able to STAY in power, whether they do good things or bad things, the fact they STAY as a politician means they stay doing their job.

I suppose once they are done after a few decades of devastating they move on into the private sector as a manager on lots of money. They would have transferred BILLIONS of dollars into the accounts of infrastructure companies during their time in power. Think of the more notable politicians that have “retired” recently. Think of that stupid bitch that ran NSW , she smashed down a perfectly good stadium in Sydney to build another one for 1 billion dollars of tax payer money. There’s always a pay off for stupid and destructive behaviour – it literally rewards them for doing stupid things

Every now and then, you say something which is patently true.

✅

Also, Margaret Thatcher was a nasty snobbish and pretentious social-suck-up wannabe-aristocrat arsehole who i hope is in one of the more severe hells for what she did to the UK.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Every now and then, you say something which is patently true.

✅

Also, Margaret Thatcher was a nasty snobbish and pretentious social-suck-up wannabe-aristocrat arsehole who i hope is in one of the more severe hells for what she did to the UK.

✅

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

I remember as a teenager debating with a much older man about politicians , he said “Margaret Thatcher was a very good politician “ I was dumbfounded after living through her absolutely astonishly stupid rule and countered by listing all the balls ups. He countered – no, you don’t see what I mean – a good politician is able to STAY in power, whether they do good things or bad things, the fact they STAY as a politician means they stay doing their job.

I suppose once they are done after a few decades of devastating they move on into the private sector as a manager on lots of money. They would have transferred BILLIONS of dollars into the accounts of infrastructure companies during their time in power. Think of the more notable politicians that have “retired” recently. Think of that stupid bitch that ran NSW , she smashed down a perfectly good stadium in Sydney to build another one for 1 billion dollars of tax payer money. There’s always a pay off for stupid and destructive behaviour – it literally rewards them for doing stupid things

Every now and then, you say something which is patently true.

of course it is a lie.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Every now and then, you say something which is patently true.

✅

Also, Margaret Thatcher was a nasty snobbish and pretentious social-suck-up wannabe-aristocrat arsehole who i hope is in one of the more severe hells for what she did to the UK.

Nah, not in hell of any sort. She simply isn’t any more. Just nothing. Which is probably a waaay better punishment.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

✅

Also, Margaret Thatcher was a nasty snobbish and pretentious social-suck-up wannabe-aristocrat arsehole who i hope is in one of the more severe hells for what she did to the UK.

✅

She accelerated the collapse

She shut the lunatic asylums to save money – people that needed 24 /7 supervision were tossed out on to the streets.

Years ago the harmless lunatics were allowed out of Hanwell and they would drift down the deserted streets of 70s britain ( everything was shut) like ghosts. Periodically they would come to life to pounce on a cigarette button. They’d stare at you and your eyes like magnets would latch onto them hands on your handlebars at the ready to make a quick gettaway.

On the last Sunday of old England we laid in the middle of the road outside my grandparents home that was an old railwaymans cottage; stretched out in the late afternoon sun hot , and the all pervading silence. No traffic, no pedestrians just the faint sounds of boiling kettles and crockery being made up for tea and the pages of the Victor fluttering in the breeze with toy soldiers gently drying staining the pages. Sometimes I dream of that distant land especially of Christmas, the tree by the window that looked down a long street of houses, the lights and jigsaw puzzle endlessly pieced together to create the last dying gasp of some German battleship fighting the royal navy.

Adam was packed off to an expensive private school and forbidden to associate with the lower classes that lived down the street. My grandfather a veteran of the blitz died suddenly one morning – my grandmother threw everything out including his tweed jacket and a waxy yellow marker from his time in the firebrigade , he NEVER spoke about it. The cottage was sold to a developer and smashed to pieces and that was the end of the long summer.

North Korea has been preparing for a Ukraine style war for decades stockpiling one of the worlds largest caches of artillery rounds, MLRS rockets all compatible for use in Russian systems.

The long-range 170-mm self-propelled artillery units M-1989 Koksan which can launch conventional high-explosive fragmentation ammunition up to 40 km, and active-reactive ammunition up to 60 km.

The 240 mm North Korean M1985 / M1991 MLRS launches rockets at a distance of at least 65,000 meters.

The 600-mm KN-25 MLRS of “super-large caliber”. These missiles fly about 380 kilometers and reached an altitude of 97 kilometers. The weight of the rocket is 3 tons.

But most importantly, unlike Ukraine and the Russian Federation, there is no corruption in North Korea.

That’s why Kim Jung Un has enough shells, rockets & rounds stored in his warehouses to arm an army of 8 millon men.

⚡️In comparison, before February 2022 the armies of the Russian Federation and Ukraine combined had enough rounds in storage to arm only 4.5 million men.

💥80% of the casualties in the Ukraine conflict are caused by artillery & MLRS rockets which North Korea can easily transfer to the frontline via the Trans-Siberian Railway.

☢In short, Russia’s swaps satellite, space, aviation, nuclear submarine & ICBM technology in exchange for a unlimited ‘all you can eat’ access to North Korea’s huge stockpiles.

The West arms Ukraine with Vietnam era junk weapons and cardboard drones. Russia quietly responds by arming North Korea with all the military technology on Kim Jung Un’s wish list.

This is a huge geopolitical, diplomatic and strategic failure on the part of the AUKUS & NATO alliance which will be felt in the west by generations to come.

Putin warned the West to stop arming Ukraine. Now the West gets a taste of their own medicine.

Presumably once a 1000 extra artillery pieces get transferred from NK you’d have a ceaseless artillery barrage day and night. You could concentrate fire from a 1000 pieces onto some contested village and you’d kill everything in a square kilometer. Maybe that’s the plan for clearing uko minefields churn up the fields of trenches and mines and drive west. The missiles with 300+ km range would knock out infrastructure, no deployment area would be safe – you get hit with 200 missile salvoes ? On any particular day you’d have Maybe 100,000 shells, 1000 long range rockets and maybe 500 drones striking large and small targets ?

You could have a rotating contingent of say 50,000 NK troops to get live fire experience.

NK gets S300/ S400 missile systems in return

Maybe NK becomes a manufacturing base

Maybe china gets roped in and you add another 1000 artillery pieces, thousands of drones, 10 million shells delivered in the next few years.

War, Money, and America’s Future
Why is the uniparty risking a war we’re so ill-prepared to fight?

The,Tank,Model,And,Map,On,Europe,,Russia-ukrainian,Boundary
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Douglas Macgregor
Sep 13, 2023
12:05 AM
When Richard Nixon lost the election to John F. Kennedy, Nixon told supporters, “I know Jack Kennedy. He’s a patriot.” Nixon knew that the nation would be safe in President Kennedy’s hands.

Most Americans do not have the same confidence in President Biden. In April 2023, fewer than four in ten U.S. adults (37 percent) said they approved of Joe Biden’s job performance as president, with six in ten saying they disapproved. By a 2-to-1 margin, American voters now believe controlling the U.S. border is more important than helping Ukraine fight Russia. For the first time in 30 years, the U.S. Government’s interest payments on the sovereign debt equal defense spending.

These revelations would shake the confidence of any White House, but there is much more for Washington and its NATO Allies to consider. Alleged efforts by the Department of State to freeze the conflict in Ukraine are dismissed out of hand in Moscow by every knowledgeable observer of the Russian government. In the absence of a freeze, Washington has no idea how to end the 600-day conflict.

Meanwhile, the Biden Administration’s sanctions continue to seriously weaken the collective West. European economies are sliding toward recession. Germany’s economy, the largest in the Eurozone, is stagnating for the third quarter in a row. In 2022, German automakers produced nearly 40 percent fewer vehicles than they did 10 years ago. In the words of one of Germany’s leading industrialists, Germany’s deindustrialization has begun.

However, it is Washington’s proxy war with Moscow and the war’s battlefield impact, combined with the economic consequences, that are shifting the balance of power in Moscow’s favor. According to open-source intelligence, Ukrainian losses suggest that Ukrainian soldiers are being killed at a rate comparable to or greater than the World War I experience, when an estimated 1.7 million soldiers in the Russian Army died from all causes in three years of fighting.

The art of war is always subject to the impact of technology and Ukraine’s war with Russia is no exception. Ukrainian soldiers are courageous, but Ukrainian forces, like U.S. and Allied NATO forces, are still organized to refight a version of World War II. This condition is a recipe for defeat against a Russian military establishment organized for 21st century warfare.

Today, Russian strike weapons—artillery, rockets, missiles, drones—linked to persistent, overhead surveillance within dense, integrated air and missile defenses create battlefield conditions like those the German army experienced in the last year of World War II. From the moment the U.S. and British-Canadian armies landed in Normandy, 5,000 U.S. and British fighter aircraft in the air over Western Europe made it impossible for German ground forces to maneuver. The entire German air force was defending German cities against U.S. and British bombers. Without tactical air cover or support, German formations could move only at night, and never in daylight.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky puts on a fine show of confidence, but he makes no secret of the lagging popular support in Europe and the United States for Washington’s proxy war. He knows NATO is in trouble. Frankly, the alliance was never designed to wage offensive warfare against anyone. Events in the Balkans during the 1990s began the awkward evolution that tried to transform NATO into an offensive instrument of U.S. national security strategy. Yet NATO’s forces are not prepared for high-end conventional warfare.

Predictably, voters in NATO’s thirty-two member states are questioning the wisdom of outsourcing their national security and economic health to their own and Washington’s globalist elites. Still, Europeans must soon decide whether to sacrifice what little remains of their respective national sovereignty and economic health in the name of NATO or suspend aid to the Zelensky regime and negotiate directly with Moscow. Total European contributions to the proxy war of about $167 billion are greater than Washington’s contribution.

Confronted with a weak economy, higher yields and lower prices for Treasury bonds, the Biden administration and its partner on Capitol Hill, the Washington “uniparty,” really have two choices: First, cut U.S. and Allied losses in Ukraine, reduce discretionary spending, and focus on domestic emergencies at the Southern Border and in America’s largest cities. Or second, the Administration and the uniparty can escalate the conflict with Moscow.

The White House’s announced intention to ship Army Tactical Missile Systems with a 300-kilometer range along with German Taurus cruise missiles and other strike weapons to Ukraine would seem to indicate Washington’s preference for escalation. But no one weapon system can fundamentally alter the truth that Ukrainian forces grow weaker with each passing day.

Nowhere is the potential for confrontation with Russian military power greater than in the Black Sea. Yet between September 11 and 15, Romanian, British, French, and Turkish forces together with U.S. maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft Poseidon, diver-engineers with boats and specialized equipment, will conduct Operation Sea Breeze 23.3 near the Danube Delta. Since commercial vessels are sailing from the Black Sea into the Danube River without Russian interference it is unclear why the exercise in the Danube Delta is necessary.

Sadly, pushing dangerous conditions to the brink of conflict is nothing new in the conduct of U.S. foreign and defense policy. After Desert Storm in 1991 and the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, American power and influence grew exponentially. Washington’s appetite for filling allegedly “ungoverned spaces” with American military power was insatiable. Washington was free for 30 years to intervene with American military power when and where it liked establishing new “frontiers of insecurity” in the Balkans, Southwest Asia, the Middle East, or North Africa.

The Washington uniparty (corporate oligarchs, public health officials, mainstream media, social media, deep state agencies, academia, Hollywood, and an assortment of dubious international agencies like the UN/WHO/WEF) swiftly invested trillions to advance globalization with U.S. military power. Whenever the armed forces were committed to action, a series of administrations were always ready to defer to ineffective, even failed, military commanders.

Wasteful defense spending, excessive redundancy in capability, and resistance to badly needed change in force design and modernization are now revealing that the U.S. Armed Forces are ill-suited to modern high-end conventional warfare. The fighting in Ukraine demonstrates that Washington can no longer ignore the influence of geography, culture, and economics, all of which operate as constraints on the use of American military power.

The age of abundant wealth and unconstrained defense spending is nearing its end. How Washington reacts to these realities will determine America’s future.

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roughbarked said:

Tin Soldier

One Tin Soldier

wookiemeister said:

War, Money, and America’s Future
Why is the uniparty risking a war we’re so ill-prepared to fight?

The,Tank,Model,And,Map,On,Europe,,Russia-ukrainian,Boundary
Credit: Lewis Tse
Douglas Macgregor
Sep 13, 2023
12:05 AM
When Richard Nixon lost the election to John F. Kennedy, Nixon told supporters, “I know Jack Kennedy. He’s a patriot.” Nixon knew that the nation would be safe in President Kennedy’s hands.

Most Americans do not have the same confidence in President Biden. In April 2023, fewer than four in ten U.S. adults (37 percent) said they approved of Joe Biden’s job performance as president, with six in ten saying they disapproved. By a 2-to-1 margin, American voters now believe controlling the U.S. border is more important than helping Ukraine fight Russia. For the first time in 30 years, the U.S. Government’s interest payments on the sovereign debt equal defense spending.

These revelations would shake the confidence of any White House, but there is much more for Washington and its NATO Allies to consider. Alleged efforts by the Department of State to freeze the conflict in Ukraine are dismissed out of hand in Moscow by every knowledgeable observer of the Russian government. In the absence of a freeze, Washington has no idea how to end the 600-day conflict.

Meanwhile, the Biden Administration’s sanctions continue to seriously weaken the collective West. European economies are sliding toward recession. Germany’s economy, the largest in the Eurozone, is stagnating for the third quarter in a row. In 2022, German automakers produced nearly 40 percent fewer vehicles than they did 10 years ago. In the words of one of Germany’s leading industrialists, Germany’s deindustrialization has begun.

However, it is Washington’s proxy war with Moscow and the war’s battlefield impact, combined with the economic consequences, that are shifting the balance of power in Moscow’s favor. According to open-source intelligence, Ukrainian losses suggest that Ukrainian soldiers are being killed at a rate comparable to or greater than the World War I experience, when an estimated 1.7 million soldiers in the Russian Army died from all causes in three years of fighting.

The art of war is always subject to the impact of technology and Ukraine’s war with Russia is no exception. Ukrainian soldiers are courageous, but Ukrainian forces, like U.S. and Allied NATO forces, are still organized to refight a version of World War II. This condition is a recipe for defeat against a Russian military establishment organized for 21st century warfare.

Today, Russian strike weapons—artillery, rockets, missiles, drones—linked to persistent, overhead surveillance within dense, integrated air and missile defenses create battlefield conditions like those the German army experienced in the last year of World War II. From the moment the U.S. and British-Canadian armies landed in Normandy, 5,000 U.S. and British fighter aircraft in the air over Western Europe made it impossible for German ground forces to maneuver. The entire German air force was defending German cities against U.S. and British bombers. Without tactical air cover or support, German formations could move only at night, and never in daylight.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky puts on a fine show of confidence, but he makes no secret of the lagging popular support in Europe and the United States for Washington’s proxy war. He knows NATO is in trouble. Frankly, the alliance was never designed to wage offensive warfare against anyone. Events in the Balkans during the 1990s began the awkward evolution that tried to transform NATO into an offensive instrument of U.S. national security strategy. Yet NATO’s forces are not prepared for high-end conventional warfare.

Predictably, voters in NATO’s thirty-two member states are questioning the wisdom of outsourcing their national security and economic health to their own and Washington’s globalist elites. Still, Europeans must soon decide whether to sacrifice what little remains of their respective national sovereignty and economic health in the name of NATO or suspend aid to the Zelensky regime and negotiate directly with Moscow. Total European contributions to the proxy war of about $167 billion are greater than Washington’s contribution.

Confronted with a weak economy, higher yields and lower prices for Treasury bonds, the Biden administration and its partner on Capitol Hill, the Washington “uniparty,” really have two choices: First, cut U.S. and Allied losses in Ukraine, reduce discretionary spending, and focus on domestic emergencies at the Southern Border and in America’s largest cities. Or second, the Administration and the uniparty can escalate the conflict with Moscow.

The White House’s announced intention to ship Army Tactical Missile Systems with a 300-kilometer range along with German Taurus cruise missiles and other strike weapons to Ukraine would seem to indicate Washington’s preference for escalation. But no one weapon system can fundamentally alter the truth that Ukrainian forces grow weaker with each passing day.

Nowhere is the potential for confrontation with Russian military power greater than in the Black Sea. Yet between September 11 and 15, Romanian, British, French, and Turkish forces together with U.S. maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft Poseidon, diver-engineers with boats and specialized equipment, will conduct Operation Sea Breeze 23.3 near the Danube Delta. Since commercial vessels are sailing from the Black Sea into the Danube River without Russian interference it is unclear why the exercise in the Danube Delta is necessary.

Sadly, pushing dangerous conditions to the brink of conflict is nothing new in the conduct of U.S. foreign and defense policy. After Desert Storm in 1991 and the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, American power and influence grew exponentially. Washington’s appetite for filling allegedly “ungoverned spaces” with American military power was insatiable. Washington was free for 30 years to intervene with American military power when and where it liked establishing new “frontiers of insecurity” in the Balkans, Southwest Asia, the Middle East, or North Africa.

The Washington uniparty (corporate oligarchs, public health officials, mainstream media, social media, deep state agencies, academia, Hollywood, and an assortment of dubious international agencies like the UN/WHO/WEF) swiftly invested trillions to advance globalization with U.S. military power. Whenever the armed forces were committed to action, a series of administrations were always ready to defer to ineffective, even failed, military commanders.

Wasteful defense spending, excessive redundancy in capability, and resistance to badly needed change in force design and modernization are now revealing that the U.S. Armed Forces are ill-suited to modern high-end conventional warfare. The fighting in Ukraine demonstrates that Washington can no longer ignore the influence of geography, culture, and economics, all of which operate as constraints on the use of American military power.

The age of abundant wealth and unconstrained defense spending is nearing its end. How Washington reacts to these realities will determine America’s future.

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The 1st thing I learned from Oxford EducAted Rhodes Scholar/Reporter Rachel Maddow was #1 ALWAYS Check your sources:

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…so…?
You’re relying upon One of Donald DUMP’s Chief STOOGES to RANT against present President Joe Biden’s accomplishments?

https://youtu.be/dpvd9FensT8?si=3CwDFAb7lY2Gcm6K

Climate change

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/dpvd9FensT8?si=3CwDFAb7lY2Gcm6K

Climate change

why are you putting that forward in a mis-information thread?

Ogmog said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/dpvd9FensT8?si=3CwDFAb7lY2Gcm6K

Climate change

why are you putting that forward in a mis-information thread?

Why indeed

Do you think it’s misinformation ?

So many questions and answers

▶️ Ukraine demonstrated “Special uniform for pregnant Ukrainian women in war”

▪️Russian air defence systems shot down 270 Ukrainian drones and 19 HIMARS MLRS shells over the week, the Russian Defence Ministry has said;

▪️The Russian Armed Forces destroyed 12 uncrewed boats and three boats with AFU landing groups in the Black Sea over the week, the Defence Ministry added;

▪️The Russian Armed Forces destroyed five Ukrainian warplanes at an airfield near Krivoy Rog; the strike was carried out at Dolgintsevo airfield on 11 September, the Russian Defence Ministry said;

▪️The Russian Defence Ministry said that it had prevented a Ukrainian landing on the left bank of the Dnepr river;

▪️The Russian Armed Forces carried out 11 strikes on Ukrainian military facilities during the week and disrupted material supplies to Ukrainian troop groups, the Defence Ministry has said;

▪️The Russian Armed Forces repelled 34 attacks of the Ukrainian armed forces in the Artemovsk direction, 8 attacks in the South Donetsk direction, 18 Ukrainian attacks were repelled during the week in the Rabotino and Verbovoye districts, the ministry said;

▪️The ICRC is ready to mediate between Russia and Ukraine in the prisoner exchange if the parties request it, the head of the delegation in Moscow;

▪️The ICRC would like to increase the number of visits to Russian and Ukrainian prisoners of war, he added;

▪️ICRC President Spolarich plans to visit Moscow by the end of the year, expects to meet Putin, he added;

▪️Decision on US transfer of ATACMS long-range missiles to Ukraine ahead of Zelensky’s visit to Washington not yet made, Pentagon says;

▪️A man died from a shrapnel wound after shelling in the village of Plekhovo in Kursk Region, several households were also damaged, Governor Starovoit said.

The Telegraph has tried its investigation into the mysterious deaths of two British soldiers in Ukraine.

Daniel Burke disappeared from his apartment in the Zaporizhzhya region, while the body of Jordan Chadwick was found in a body of water with his hands tied behind him.
And the newspaper comes to a disappointing conclusion: most likely both were killed by their own. In particular, according to the Telegraph, analysis of the water in Chadwick’s lungs showed a mismatch with the water of the body of water in which he was found. That is, he was drowned elsewhere and then his body was moved. And Burke seems to have been killed for money – the newspaper claims that a certain American millionairess was paying him 8,000 a month for his upkeep.

And the Telegraph reports:
Many people complain that selection for service in Ukraine is virtually non-existent. ‘There are guys who shouldn’t be here: someone with a criminal record, someone with PTSD, someone with drug and alcohol problems or someone using steroids,’ said one volunteer.

Source: The Telegraph

A War in Mexico would mean War in America

The Global Drug Trade is valued 200-300 billion per year the vast majority of which passes through the Central American Cartels… If they capture merely 1/3-1/2 of that that’s more than the value of all foreign Aid to Ukraine since the start of the war… And they do that every year.

This is in addition to all the money the Cartels receive from protection rackets they run, the cartelization of other industries they’ve affected (every avocado you buy is significantly overpriced thanks to their schemes), and the massive amount of money they and their associates bring in by effectively taking over and governing large swathes of Mexico, mostly under a Mexican Government coat of paint. US Northern Command estimates 30-35% of Mexico is effectively ungoverned, ie. Cartel Governed… that’s an area the size of Texas and a population comparable to Iraq.

A US intervention against the Mexican Cartels would be taking on organized forces that have been under arms longer than the Taliban, are better funded than Ukraine, Have a population and territory bigger than Saddam had in Iraq, and some of whom, as in the case of the Los Zetas Cartel, are themselves former Special Forces trained by American Green Berets.

wookiemeister said:

Ogmog said:

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/dpvd9FensT8?si=3CwDFAb7lY2Gcm6K

Climate change

why are you putting that forward in a mis-information thread?

Why indeed

Do you think it’s misinformation ?

So many questions and answers

US military loses F35
“Pilot” ejects for an unknown reason and the aircraft flies along on auto pilot before crashing

Ogmog said:

wookiemeister said:

Ogmog said:

why are you putting that forward in a mis-information thread?

Why indeed

Do you think it’s misinformation ?

So many questions and answers

Guess I have to spell it out

The title is a joke title – you don’t take it seriously

UAVs “Geran” hit targets in the Sumy, Kharkov and Chernigov regions this night. Strikes were carried out on a military facility in Kherson within 24 hours.

▪️Military pilots report the use of a new X-BD cruise missile with a range of 6500 km at targets in Kupyansk and the bridge over the Dnieper in Dnepropetrovsk. They report the destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ crossing across the river Oskol in the Kupyansk direction.

▪️At the Verbovoe-Rabotino line of the Zaporozhye Front, the enemy again went on the attack: 7 units of its military equipment were knocked out, up to a company of enemy personnel were killed and wounded. The Russian Armed Forces used heavy flamethrower systems. From the ground they write about the low training of the new attacking wave, which may indicate the introduction of poorly trained reserves of the Ukrainian Armed Forces into battle.

▪️In the Kherson region – the activity of our forces and enemy forces on the islands. The Ukrainian Armed Forces fired at the village Cairy, 9 civilians injured, 1 killed (84 years old).

▪️From the Vremevsky direction they report the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the outskirts of Staromayorsky, the abandonment of which by the Russian Army was presented by enemy propaganda as a significant achievement and a sign of the Armed Forces of Ukraine’s imminent access to the Sea of Azov (90 km away and several lines of defense). Strikes were carried out against concentrations of enemy manpower at a distance from the the front line.

▪️South of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) near Andreevka, the Russian Armed Forces control the railway, despite the enemy’s statements. In Kleshcheevka, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to gain a foothold in small groups under heavy fire from our artillery. Heavy fighting is underway, the enemy is drawing up reserves.

▪️In the Kupyansk direction, the Russian Armed Forces resumed attacks in the Sinkovka area after the destruction of the enemy crossing.

▪️Enemy UAVs were shot down over the Belgorod and Oryol regions within 24 hours. In the Bryansk region, Suzmeika village was shelled, an aircraft-type drone was shot down near the village. In Adler, near Sochi airport, a kerosene tank caught fire for unknown reasons. Enemy missiles were destroyed yesterday over Melitopol in the Zaporozhye region; Ukrainian Armed Forces launched 4 missiles from the HIMARS MLRS at Molochansk. In the DPR, one civilian was killed and five were wounded as a result of shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Just to add the russians got one of their subs totalled by a drone because they couldn’t be bothered with effective defence measures. Makes you wonder that will cost them to fix ( or scrap )?????.

Kiev regime will mobilise teenagers and the elderly

The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine has introduced a bill on the transfer of data on citizens aged 17-60 to the Ministry of Defence. Information on these people is held in various state registries: the Tax Service, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of the Interior, the Central Election Commission, the State Migration Service and other agencies.

In particular, the Ministry of Defence will have access to the personal phone numbers and e-mail addresses of military conscripts.

▪️The Russian military carried out night strikes on depots of Storm Shadow missiles, depleted uranium ammunition and centres of radio-technical reconnaissance and training of sabotage groups of the AFU, the purpose of the strike was achieved, all objects were hit, the Ministry of Defence said.

▪️According to the Russian Defence Ministry, the AFU lost about 250 servicemen in the direction of Donetsk, up to 20 in the direction of Kupyansk and more than 50 Ukrainian servicemen in the direction of Krasny Liman.

▪️The Russian Armed Forces attacked the AFU near Verbovoye in the direction of Zaporozhye, destroying up to 55 servicemen, and more than 80 Ukrainian servicemen in the direction of Kherson, according to the Ministry of Defence.

▪️The recovery phase of the Russian economy has been completed, the country has withstood the pressure of sanctions, Putin said.

▪️Ukrainian cabinet sacks all deputy defence ministers and the ministry’s state secretary

▪️German Defence Minister announces new €400 million military and humanitarian aid package for Kiev

▪️Moscow urges Russians to carefully weigh risks when travelling abroad in connection with the European Commission’s clarifications on the ban on imports of goods from Russia, the Foreign Ministry said.

▪️Ukraine files WTO complaints against Poland, Hungary and Slovakia over their import bans on Ukrainian products, says Ukrainian Economy Ministry

▪️Russia expects the UN International Court of Justice to accept the Russian side’s arguments on the inadmissibility of Ukraine’s complaint of February 2022 under the Genocide Convention and withdraw it from consideration, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s ambassador-at-large said.

▪️New EU measures against Russia could include a proposal to use profits from frozen assets of the Russian central bank to help Kiev, Bloomberg news agency reported.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12536527/wales-20mph-petition-senedd-mark-drakeford.html

Remember: a labour government destroys every civilisation that it touches

wookiemeister said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12536527/wales-20mph-petition-senedd-mark-drakeford.html

Remember: a labour government destroys every civilisation that it touches

1. Why is the article talking about ‘miles per hour’?

2. The truth of ‘a labour government destroys every civilisation that it touches’ is debatable, but, in recent years, the Conservative government in the UK has been applying itself vigorously to the destruction of British society, although it can’t hold a candle to the efforts made during the Thatcher years.

captain_spalding said:

1. Why is the article talking about ‘miles per hour’?

In some backwards countries they still use miles per hour speed limits on roads because they can’t be arsed changing all of the signs. The Land of Dope and Tory is one such backwards country.

wookiemeister said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12536527/wales-20mph-petition-senedd-mark-drakeford.html

Remember: a labour government destroys every civilisation that it touches

The truth stands

Every Labor government is doing you harm

wookiemeister said:

The truth stands

Every Labor government is doing you harm

Care to elaborate on that?

wookiemeister said:

The truth stands

Every Labor government is doing you harm

Bullshit abounds.

The growth of U.S. government debt has accelerated sharply

It took a record less than 4 days for the U.S. national debt to grow by another 100 billion to 33.1 trillion dollars.

Would the growth be so sharp but for billions of American taxpayers’ money sent to Ukraine?

Azerbaijani soldiers film themselves shooting at the houses of civilians in Artsakh then calmly walk away. They are very bold in their filming just like in the 44 day war when they filmed themselves torturing executing civilians and soldiers. They think they are untouchable.

wookiemeister said:

The growth of U.S. government debt has accelerated sharply

It took a record less than 4 days for the U.S. national debt to grow by another 100 billion to 33.1 trillion dollars.

Would the growth be so sharp but for billions of American taxpayers’ money sent to Ukraine?

The cost to the US of assisting Ukraine is vastly less than what they were spending on being directly on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq before that. The reason for the increase is because the rubber is hitting the road in Biden’s inflation reduction Act, which by the way has nothing to do with inflation, it is about investing in green tech and making the US a market leader in that sector.

Anyway, the US govt debt is almost meaningless. The US dollar is the world’s reserve currency, and the currency major of international trade. And the US govt controls the money supply of US dollars. Of all countries, they have the least to fear about govt debt. It matters in small nations with weak currencies, but the US has a strong hand to play with.

wookiemeister said:

The growth of U.S. government debt has accelerated sharply

It took a record less than 4 days for the U.S. national debt to grow by another 100 billion to 33.1 trillion dollars.

Would the growth be so sharp but for billions of American taxpayers’ money sent to Ukraine?

Ukraine aid is miniscule compared to other sources of US government debt.

Meanwhile the Russian economy is going swimmingly.

wookiemeister said:

Azerbaijani soldiers film themselves shooting at the houses of civilians in Artsakh then calmly walk away. They are very bold in their filming just like in the 44 day war when they filmed themselves torturing executing civilians and soldiers. They think they are untouchable.

Probably been hanging around too much with the Russian army.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia#:~:text=Ta%20Mok’s%20lawyer%2C%20Benson%20Samay,experts%20in%20explosives%20and%20ambushes.

British army training Khmer rouge

wookiemeister said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia#:~:text=Ta%20Mok’s%20lawyer%2C%20Benson%20Samay,experts%20in%20explosives%20and%20ambushes.

British army training Khmer rouge

Well, that really is bloody ridiculous. Just the sort of suck-up-to-Reagan thing that Thatcher would have gone along with.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia#:~:text=Ta%20Mok’s%20lawyer%2C%20Benson%20Samay,experts%20in%20explosives%20and%20ambushes.

British army training Khmer rouge

Well, that really is bloody ridiculous. Just the sort of suck-up-to-Reagan thing that Thatcher would have gone along with.

Actually, i’d heard about this quite a while back, but had totally forgotten about it.

From Twitter Listen to this reporter commenting on Zelensky’s visit to Canada…

Then listen again and something will feel a little off.

That’s because she says the veteran receiving the standing ovation fought against the Russians in the Second World War.

Yes, because the 98 year old “veteran” is Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for the 14th division of the Waffen SS.

wookiemeister said:

From Twitter Listen to this reporter commenting on Zelensky’s visit to Canada…

Then listen again and something will feel a little off.

That’s because she says the veteran receiving the standing ovation fought against the Russians in the Second World War.

Yes, because the 98 year old “veteran” is Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for the 14th division of the Waffen SS.

Hitler would be like a God to the Canadian government

I wonder how many more billions we’ll be sending to the SS in ukraine???

wookiemeister said:

From Twitter Listen to this reporter commenting on Zelensky’s visit to Canada…

Then listen again and something will feel a little off.

That’s because she says the veteran receiving the standing ovation fought against the Russians in the Second World War.

Yes, because the 98 year old “veteran” is Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for the 14th division of the Waffen SS.

藤田 信雄, Fujita Nobuo (1911 – 30 September 1997) was a Japanese naval aviator and warrant flying officer of the Imperial Japanese Navy {who was} the only Axis pilot during World War II to aerial bomb the contiguous United States…. Using incendiary bombs, his mission was to start massive forest fires in the Pacific Northwest near the city of Brookings, Oregon…

{In 1985} …Fujita received a dedicatory letter from… President Ronald Reagan “with admiration for your kindness and generosity.”

Fujita was made an honorary citizen of Brookings on the day of his death at a hospital in Tsuchiura, Ibaraki Prefecture, on September 30, 1997, at the age of 85. In October 1998, his daughter, Yoriko Asakura, buried some of Fujita’s ashes at the bomb site {in the town of Brookings, Oregon}.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

From Twitter Listen to this reporter commenting on Zelensky’s visit to Canada…

Then listen again and something will feel a little off.

That’s because she says the veteran receiving the standing ovation fought against the Russians in the Second World War.

Yes, because the 98 year old “veteran” is Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for the 14th division of the Waffen SS.

藤田 信雄, Fujita Nobuo (1911 – 30 September 1997) was a Japanese naval aviator and warrant flying officer of the Imperial Japanese Navy {who was} the only Axis pilot during World War II to aerial bomb the contiguous United States…. Using incendiary bombs, his mission was to start massive forest fires in the Pacific Northwest near the city of Brookings, Oregon…

{In 1985} …Fujita received a dedicatory letter from… President Ronald Reagan “with admiration for your kindness and generosity.”

Fujita was made an honorary citizen of Brookings on the day of his death at a hospital in Tsuchiura, Ibaraki Prefecture, on September 30, 1997, at the age of 85. In October 1998, his daughter, Yoriko Asakura, buried some of Fujita’s ashes at the bomb site {in the town of Brookings, Oregon}.

He’s military personnel

The SS were well known for WAR CRIMES

It shows you how brain dead the west is when they are gibing members of the SS a standing ovation in parliament.

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

From Twitter Listen to this reporter commenting on Zelensky’s visit to Canada…

Then listen again and something will feel a little off.

That’s because she says the veteran receiving the standing ovation fought against the Russians in the Second World War.

Yes, because the 98 year old “veteran” is Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for the 14th division of the Waffen SS.

藤田 信雄, Fujita Nobuo (1911 – 30 September 1997) was a Japanese naval aviator and warrant flying officer of the Imperial Japanese Navy {who was} the only Axis pilot during World War II to aerial bomb the contiguous United States…. Using incendiary bombs, his mission was to start massive forest fires in the Pacific Northwest near the city of Brookings, Oregon…

{In 1985} …Fujita received a dedicatory letter from… President Ronald Reagan “with admiration for your kindness and generosity.”

Fujita was made an honorary citizen of Brookings on the day of his death at a hospital in Tsuchiura, Ibaraki Prefecture, on September 30, 1997, at the age of 85. In October 1998, his daughter, Yoriko Asakura, buried some of Fujita’s ashes at the bomb site {in the town of Brookings, Oregon}.

He’s military personnel

The SS were well known for WAR CRIMES

It shows you how brain dead the west is when they are gibing members of the SS a standing ovation in parliament.

The Reagan administration was selling weapons to Iran via colonel Oliver North and using it to fund the contras on Nicaragua. The Reagan administration was another bankrupt US government. Personally I would have liked to see Jimmy carter in for another 4 years to see how that might have worked out. Jimmy carter is a saint compared to everything that came after ( and before).

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

From Twitter Listen to this reporter commenting on Zelensky’s visit to Canada…

Then listen again and something will feel a little off.

That’s because she says the veteran receiving the standing ovation fought against the Russians in the Second World War.

Yes, because the 98 year old “veteran” is Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for the 14th division of the Waffen SS.

藤田 信雄, Fujita Nobuo (1911 – 30 September 1997) was a Japanese naval aviator and warrant flying officer of the Imperial Japanese Navy {who was} the only Axis pilot during World War II to aerial bomb the contiguous United States…. Using incendiary bombs, his mission was to start massive forest fires in the Pacific Northwest near the city of Brookings, Oregon…

{In 1985} …Fujita received a dedicatory letter from… President Ronald Reagan “with admiration for your kindness and generosity.”

Fujita was made an honorary citizen of Brookings on the day of his death at a hospital in Tsuchiura, Ibaraki Prefecture, on September 30, 1997, at the age of 85. In October 1998, his daughter, Yoriko Asakura, buried some of Fujita’s ashes at the bomb site {in the town of Brookings, Oregon}.

He’s military personnel

The SS were well known for WAR CRIMES

It shows you how brain dead the west is when they are gibing members of the SS a standing ovation in parliament.

’Leader of Canada’s House of Commons apologizes for honoring man who fought for Nazis’ – https://apnews.com/article/canada-parliament-apology-ukraine-nazi-eedc22e1d810011c412953168a4cee46

“In my remarks following the address of the President of Ukraine, I recognized an individual in the gallery. I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision to do so,” (Speaker of the House) Rota said in a statement.

He added that his fellow Parliament members and the Ukraine delegation were not aware of his plan to recognize Hunka. Rota noted Hunka is from his district.”

’Canada’s House speaker apologises for Nazi gaffe’ – https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8362289/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-for-nazi-gaffe/

““At a time of rising antisemitism and Holocaust distortion, it is incredibly disturbing to see Canada’s parliament rise to applaud an individual who was a member of a unit in the Waffen-SS, a Nazi military branch responsible for the murder of Jews and others,” the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre said in a statement while demanding an apology on Sunday.”

Nazi-linked veteran received ovation during Zelenskyy’s Canada visit – https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/nazi-linked-veteran-ovation-zelenkyy-canada-visit-00117857

House Speaker apologizes for leading tribute in Parliament: ‘This initiative was entirely my own.’

And that’s the difference between ‘the west’ and ‘the east’. When someone in ‘the west’ does something dumb or misguided like this, the get called out for it, and will often apologise. None of Putin, Xi, Kim, Lukashenko or their lackeys are even aware that a word for ‘apologising’ exists. In the east, it’s assumed the population will simply back the leadership’s idiocy to the hilt. Or else.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

藤田 信雄, Fujita Nobuo (1911 – 30 September 1997) was a Japanese naval aviator and warrant flying officer of the Imperial Japanese Navy {who was} the only Axis pilot during World War II to aerial bomb the contiguous United States…. Using incendiary bombs, his mission was to start massive forest fires in the Pacific Northwest near the city of Brookings, Oregon…

{In 1985} …Fujita received a dedicatory letter from… President Ronald Reagan “with admiration for your kindness and generosity.”

Fujita was made an honorary citizen of Brookings on the day of his death at a hospital in Tsuchiura, Ibaraki Prefecture, on September 30, 1997, at the age of 85. In October 1998, his daughter, Yoriko Asakura, buried some of Fujita’s ashes at the bomb site {in the town of Brookings, Oregon}.

He’s military personnel

The SS were well known for WAR CRIMES

It shows you how brain dead the west is when they are gibing members of the SS a standing ovation in parliament.

’Leader of Canada’s House of Commons apologizes for honoring man who fought for Nazis’ – https://apnews.com/article/canada-parliament-apology-ukraine-nazi-eedc22e1d810011c412953168a4cee46

“In my remarks following the address of the President of Ukraine, I recognized an individual in the gallery. I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision to do so,” (Speaker of the House) Rota said in a statement.

He added that his fellow Parliament members and the Ukraine delegation were not aware of his plan to recognize Hunka. Rota noted Hunka is from his district.”

’Canada’s House speaker apologises for Nazi gaffe’ – https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8362289/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-for-nazi-gaffe/

““At a time of rising antisemitism and Holocaust distortion, it is incredibly disturbing to see Canada’s parliament rise to applaud an individual who was a member of a unit in the Waffen-SS, a Nazi military branch responsible for the murder of Jews and others,” the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre said in a statement while demanding an apology on Sunday.”

Nazi-linked veteran received ovation during Zelenskyy’s Canada visit – https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/nazi-linked-veteran-ovation-zelenkyy-canada-visit-00117857

House Speaker apologizes for leading tribute in Parliament: ‘This initiative was entirely my own.’

And that’s the difference between ‘the west’ and ‘the east’. When someone in ‘the west’ does something dumb or misguided like this, the get called out for it, and will often apologise. None of Putin, Xi, Kim, Lukashenko or their lackeys are even aware that a word for ‘apologising’ exists. In the east, it’s assumed the population will simply back the leadership’s idiocy to the hilt. Or else.

The house speaker is weak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

The Canadian Deschênes Commission

Military cemetery of the SS-Galizien division in Chervone, Lviv Oblast, western Ukraine

The Canadian Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes of October 1986, by the Honourable Justice Jules Deschênes, concluded that in relation to membership in the Galicia Division:

The Galicia Division (14. Waffen grenadier division der SS ) should not be indicted as a group. The members of Galicia Division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. Charges of war crimes of Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed, or before this Commission. Further, in the absence of evidence of participation or knowledge of specific war crimes, mere membership in the Galicia Division is insufficient to justify prosecution.

The commission considered the International Military Tribunal’s verdict at the Nuremberg Trials, at which the entire Waffen-SS organisation was declared a “criminal organization” guilty of war crimes. Also, in its conclusion, the Deschênes Commission only referred to the division as 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (Galizische Nr.1), but rejected such a principle.

esselte said:

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

He’s military personnel

The SS were well known for WAR CRIMES

It shows you how brain dead the west is when they are gibing members of the SS a standing ovation in parliament.

’Leader of Canada’s House of Commons apologizes for honoring man who fought for Nazis’ – https://apnews.com/article/canada-parliament-apology-ukraine-nazi-eedc22e1d810011c412953168a4cee46

“In my remarks following the address of the President of Ukraine, I recognized an individual in the gallery. I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision to do so,” (Speaker of the House) Rota said in a statement.

He added that his fellow Parliament members and the Ukraine delegation were not aware of his plan to recognize Hunka. Rota noted Hunka is from his district.”

’Canada’s House speaker apologises for Nazi gaffe’ – https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8362289/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-for-nazi-gaffe/

““At a time of rising antisemitism and Holocaust distortion, it is incredibly disturbing to see Canada’s parliament rise to applaud an individual who was a member of a unit in the Waffen-SS, a Nazi military branch responsible for the murder of Jews and others,” the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre said in a statement while demanding an apology on Sunday.”

Nazi-linked veteran received ovation during Zelenskyy’s Canada visit – https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/nazi-linked-veteran-ovation-zelenkyy-canada-visit-00117857

House Speaker apologizes for leading tribute in Parliament: ‘This initiative was entirely my own.’

And that’s the difference between ‘the west’ and ‘the east’. When someone in ‘the west’ does something dumb or misguided like this, the get called out for it, and will often apologise. None of Putin, Xi, Kim, Lukashenko or their lackeys are even aware that a word for ‘apologising’ exists. In the east, it’s assumed the population will simply back the leadership’s idiocy to the hilt. Or else.

The house speaker is weak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

The Canadian Deschênes Commission

Military cemetery of the SS-Galizien division in Chervone, Lviv Oblast, western Ukraine

The Canadian Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes of October 1986, by the Honourable Justice Jules Deschênes, concluded that in relation to membership in the Galicia Division:

The Galicia Division (14. Waffen grenadier division der SS ) should not be indicted as a group. The members of Galicia Division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. Charges of war crimes of Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed, or before this Commission. Further, in the absence of evidence of participation or knowledge of specific war crimes, mere membership in the Galicia Division is insufficient to justify prosecution.

The commission considered the International Military Tribunal’s verdict at the Nuremberg Trials, at which the entire Waffen-SS organisation was declared a “criminal organization” guilty of war crimes. Also, in its conclusion, the Deschênes Commission only referred to the division as 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (Galizische Nr.1), but rejected such a principle.

Can you imagine what other things they have been wrong about ?

wookiemeister said:

esselte said:

captain_spalding said:

’Leader of Canada’s House of Commons apologizes for honoring man who fought for Nazis’ – https://apnews.com/article/canada-parliament-apology-ukraine-nazi-eedc22e1d810011c412953168a4cee46

“In my remarks following the address of the President of Ukraine, I recognized an individual in the gallery. I have subsequently become aware of more information which causes me to regret my decision to do so,” (Speaker of the House) Rota said in a statement.

He added that his fellow Parliament members and the Ukraine delegation were not aware of his plan to recognize Hunka. Rota noted Hunka is from his district.”

’Canada’s House speaker apologises for Nazi gaffe’ – https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8362289/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-for-nazi-gaffe/

““At a time of rising antisemitism and Holocaust distortion, it is incredibly disturbing to see Canada’s parliament rise to applaud an individual who was a member of a unit in the Waffen-SS, a Nazi military branch responsible for the murder of Jews and others,” the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre said in a statement while demanding an apology on Sunday.”

Nazi-linked veteran received ovation during Zelenskyy’s Canada visit – https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/nazi-linked-veteran-ovation-zelenkyy-canada-visit-00117857

House Speaker apologizes for leading tribute in Parliament: ‘This initiative was entirely my own.’

And that’s the difference between ‘the west’ and ‘the east’. When someone in ‘the west’ does something dumb or misguided like this, the get called out for it, and will often apologise. None of Putin, Xi, Kim, Lukashenko or their lackeys are even aware that a word for ‘apologising’ exists. In the east, it’s assumed the population will simply back the leadership’s idiocy to the hilt. Or else.

The house speaker is weak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

The Canadian Deschênes Commission

Military cemetery of the SS-Galizien division in Chervone, Lviv Oblast, western Ukraine

The Canadian Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes of October 1986, by the Honourable Justice Jules Deschênes, concluded that in relation to membership in the Galicia Division:

The Galicia Division (14. Waffen grenadier division der SS ) should not be indicted as a group. The members of Galicia Division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. Charges of war crimes of Galicia Division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed, or before this Commission. Further, in the absence of evidence of participation or knowledge of specific war crimes, mere membership in the Galicia Division is insufficient to justify prosecution.

The commission considered the International Military Tribunal’s verdict at the Nuremberg Trials, at which the entire Waffen-SS organisation was declared a “criminal organization” guilty of war crimes. Also, in its conclusion, the Deschênes Commission only referred to the division as 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (Galizische Nr.1), but rejected such a principle.

Can you imagine what other things they have been wrong about ?

Russia and Germany during the WWII were both known for forcibly taking civilians from surrounding nations and putting those civilians into their nation’s uniforms to bolster their front-line numbers but that doesn’t mean they wanted to be there though… I do wonder if this was somewhat true about the SS soldiers, ie were people of Germany forced to serve. Hard to know if that was also true . It was a true totarialist regime during that time in history..

monkey skipper said:

Russia and Germany during the WWII were both known for forcibly taking civilians from surrounding nations and putting those civilians into their nation’s uniforms to bolster their front-line numbers but that doesn’t mean they wanted to be there though… I do wonder if this was somewhat true about the SS soldiers, ie were people of Germany forced to serve. Hard to know if that was also true . It was a true totarialist regime during that time in history..

I believe this particular group were all volunteers. However it has to be borne in mind that these particular volunteers probably didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to other than that they were at war and part of that effort involved fighting Russians. My understanding is that even citizens of the Allied countries were pretty clueless about that genocidal aspect of the Nazi’s whilst the war was being waged. Given the very recent history at the time of Ukraine as part of the Soviet Union (see Holodomor, 1932-1933) it’s not at all surprising that there were Ukrainians who wanted to fight Russia. These volunteers would have seen the Nazi army as potential liberators rather than the view of them as the inhuman monsters that hindsight has granted to us.

The Canadian Commission found that, regardless of their status as part of the SS Waffen, there is no evidence that the 14th was involved in any war crimes. Individuals who were part of that group who later immigrated to Canada were all individually investigated. The man being vilified in the media and by the Canadian House speaker has not been found “guilty” of anything other than fighting Russians during a time of war. A Ukrainian fighting Russia shouldn’t be too foreign a concept to us in 2023.

Life is complicated. People like to boil complex, nuanced situations down in to simple statements that they can understand without having to furrow their brow. “Fought for the Nazi’s so must be evil” is one such oversimplified statement, a short-cut past thinking negating any need to research or consider the situation from a rational perspective.

esselte said:

I believe this particular group were all volunteers. However it has to be borne in mind that these particular volunteers probably didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to other than that they were at war and part of that effort involved fighting Russians.

There was lots of volunteers for the Nazis from ‘other’ nationalities during WW2. French, Dutch, Norwegian, people from just about every country that the Nazis occupied. The Nazis actively recruited volunteers from occupied countries, and many of them formed whole units of the SS. The Latvians were so keen that the Nazis were able to form two divisions of SS from them, and the Latvians were noted for their brutality.

These men were from places which the Nazis, including the SS, had overrun and occupied, and in which they’d installed a monstrous regime of arrest, torture, deportation, imprisonment, and murder. If they ‘didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to’, then they had their heads buried in the sand.

esselte said:

monkey skipper said:

Russia and Germany during the WWII were both known for forcibly taking civilians from surrounding nations and putting those civilians into their nation’s uniforms to bolster their front-line numbers but that doesn’t mean they wanted to be there though… I do wonder if this was somewhat true about the SS soldiers, ie were people of Germany forced to serve. Hard to know if that was also true . It was a true totarialist regime during that time in history..

I believe this particular group were all volunteers. However it has to be borne in mind that these particular volunteers probably didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to other than that they were at war and part of that effort involved fighting Russians. My understanding is that even citizens of the Allied countries were pretty clueless about that genocidal aspect of the Nazi’s whilst the war was being waged. Given the very recent history at the time of Ukraine as part of the Soviet Union (see Holodomor, 1932-1933) it’s not at all surprising that there were Ukrainians who wanted to fight Russia. These volunteers would have seen the Nazi army as potential liberators rather than the view of them as the inhuman monsters that hindsight has granted to us.

The Canadian Commission found that, regardless of their status as part of the SS Waffen, there is no evidence that the 14th was involved in any war crimes. Individuals who were part of that group who later immigrated to Canada were all individually investigated. The man being vilified in the media and by the Canadian House speaker has not been found “guilty” of anything other than fighting Russians during a time of war. A Ukrainian fighting Russia shouldn’t be too foreign a concept to us in 2023.

Life is complicated. People like to boil complex, nuanced situations down in to simple statements that they can understand without having to furrow their brow. “Fought for the Nazi’s so must be evil” is one such oversimplified statement, a short-cut past thinking negating any need to research or consider the situation from a rational perspective.

I was having rather vague similar thoughts myself. Nicely summarised.

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

I believe this particular group were all volunteers. However it has to be borne in mind that these particular volunteers probably didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to other than that they were at war and part of that effort involved fighting Russians.

There was lots of volunteers for the Nazis from ‘other’ nationalities during WW2. French, Dutch, Norwegian, people from just about every country that the Nazis occupied. The Nazis actively recruited volunteers from occupied countries, and many of them formed whole units of the SS. The Latvians were so keen that the Nazis were able to form two divisions of SS from them, and the Latvians were noted for their brutality.

These men were from places which the Nazis, including the SS, had overrun and occupied, and in which they’d installed a monstrous regime of arrest, torture, deportation, imprisonment, and murder. If they ‘didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to’, then they had their heads buried in the sand.

When it comes to war, people do bury their heads in the sand. Arrests, torture, deportation and such can look very different in the light of propaganda being forced upon an occupied area by the occupiers. Even outside occupied areas, look at how many people think the current situation is the result of nothing more than Putin being a “crazy, power hungry old man” or some variation of that. Such people will give little credit to claims of NATO incursion into Russia’s “safe space”, or the distribution of natural resources around the Black Sea, the history of the area, the ethnic composition of populations, or any of the myriad of other reasons which justify (from the Russian perspective) the invasion of Ukraine. Think of the way we de-humanise the Russians in this conflict, referring to them as orcs and taking grim satisfaction every time a drone drops a grenade on their heads.

Wookie is right about some of this stuff. Ukraine had (maybe still has) a policy of incorporating openly Neo-Nazi groups in to its military. They release war videos with Nazi iconography burned in to them as a watermark. It’s a horribly corrupt country. It’s likely that some Ukrainian soldiers during WWII and some Ukrainian soldiers today are committing war crimes against Russian soldiers. But because they are on our side in this current war (read, because it is in the Geopolitical interests of the USA and allies) we tend to sweep all that to the side and we talk only about how Ukrainians are bravely defending their country from invaders, David against Goliath, and shrug at the death of every Russian soldier with a comment “Well they shouldn’t be there in the first place”.

I support Ukraine because I have a natural affinity for the under-dog. I support Ukraine because I think people should be able to fight for their country if they want to. I support Ukraine because I prefer a world where the USA has pre-eminence in terms of international power over a country like Russia or China.

The Rev Dodgson said:

esselte said:

monkey skipper said:

Russia and Germany during the WWII were both known for forcibly taking civilians from surrounding nations and putting those civilians into their nation’s uniforms to bolster their front-line numbers but that doesn’t mean they wanted to be there though… I do wonder if this was somewhat true about the SS soldiers, ie were people of Germany forced to serve. Hard to know if that was also true . It was a true totarialist regime during that time in history..

I believe this particular group were all volunteers. However it has to be borne in mind that these particular volunteers probably didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to other than that they were at war and part of that effort involved fighting Russians. My understanding is that even citizens of the Allied countries were pretty clueless about that genocidal aspect of the Nazi’s whilst the war was being waged. Given the very recent history at the time of Ukraine as part of the Soviet Union (see Holodomor, 1932-1933) it’s not at all surprising that there were Ukrainians who wanted to fight Russia. These volunteers would have seen the Nazi army as potential liberators rather than the view of them as the inhuman monsters that hindsight has granted to us.

The Canadian Commission found that, regardless of their status as part of the SS Waffen, there is no evidence that the 14th was involved in any war crimes. Individuals who were part of that group who later immigrated to Canada were all individually investigated. The man being vilified in the media and by the Canadian House speaker has not been found “guilty” of anything other than fighting Russians during a time of war. A Ukrainian fighting Russia shouldn’t be too foreign a concept to us in 2023.

Life is complicated. People like to boil complex, nuanced situations down in to simple statements that they can understand without having to furrow their brow. “Fought for the Nazi’s so must be evil” is one such oversimplified statement, a short-cut past thinking negating any need to research or consider the situation from a rational perspective.

I was having rather vague similar thoughts myself. Nicely summarised.

I don’t know much about the occupied areas, but I have it from someone (male) who was in their early teens at the time that Hitler Youth was compulsory. He was a member of Hitler Youth. Ultimately he and family were on the run – East Prussian Jews (he was born in Zoppot). He spent some years as a political prisoner a bit later at Gedenkstätte Bautzen and was released in 1954 under the general amnesty after the death of Stalin. I’ve got his biography but it’s in German and taking a bit of concentration to get the gist of it. The Hitler Youth stuff and his time in prison I have from talking to him some years ago.

esselte said:

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

I believe this particular group were all volunteers. However it has to be borne in mind that these particular volunteers probably didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to other than that they were at war and part of that effort involved fighting Russians.

There was lots of volunteers for the Nazis from ‘other’ nationalities during WW2. French, Dutch, Norwegian, people from just about every country that the Nazis occupied. The Nazis actively recruited volunteers from occupied countries, and many of them formed whole units of the SS. The Latvians were so keen that the Nazis were able to form two divisions of SS from them, and the Latvians were noted for their brutality.

These men were from places which the Nazis, including the SS, had overrun and occupied, and in which they’d installed a monstrous regime of arrest, torture, deportation, imprisonment, and murder. If they ‘didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to’, then they had their heads buried in the sand.

‘…claims of NATO incursion into Russia’s “safe space”, or the distribution of natural resources around the Black Sea, the history of the area, the ethnic composition of populations, or any of the myriad of other reasons which justify (from the Russian perspective) the invasion of Ukraine. Think of the way we de-humanise the Russians in this conflict, referring to them as orcs and taking grim satisfaction every time a drone drops a grenade on their heads.’

‘Ukraine had (maybe still has) a policy of incorporating openly Neo-Nazi groups in to its military. They release war videos with Nazi iconography burned in to them as a watermark. It’s a horribly corrupt country. It’s likely that some Ukrainian soldiers during WWII and some Ukrainian soldiers today are committing war crimes against Russian soldiers. But because they are on our side in this current war (read, because it is in the Geopolitical interests of the USA and allies) we tend to sweep all that to the side and we talk only about how Ukrainians are bravely defending their country from invaders, David against Goliath, and shrug at the death of every Russian soldier with a comment “Well they shouldn’t be there in the first place”.’

If NATO makes ‘incursion(s) into Russia’s “safe space”, which i take to mean expansion of its membership into countries around Russia, then Russia has no-one to blame but itself. To talk of the history of the area is to talk of a history of Russia trying its best over centuries to utterly absorb and dissolve those countries, or to at least make them its weak vassal states. Who can blame them if, when presented with a chance to join an alliance which guarantees them help against any such future efforts by Russia, they rush to join it?

Finland and Sweden declined NATO for 70 years,until Russia attacked Ukraine in, as you say, a fit of combined greed for resources, paranoia, and personal grandiosity. Now Russia has the longest borders it’s ever had with NATO countries, which wouldn’t be the case if Russia hadn’t demonstrated a willingness to cross borders with simpleminded brutality of the regimes that they impose, now as it was under the Soviets, as it was under the Tsars. Russian leaders fear ‘incursion(s) into Russia’s “safe space”’ only because the proximity of states with better (or potentially better) regimes than Russia has might give the Russian people ideas.

Ukraine is, as you say, corrupt, and it has a dark side to its history. What country doesn’t have corruption, or skeletons in the cupboard? The ‘Nazi symbology’ is a pretty dumb thing to employ and perpetuate, but, to refer to the regional history again, some of that iconography is drawn from pre-Nazi times, just as the Nazis’ own swastika was drawn from a symbol in use as long ago as 500 BCE. But, i do agree, its use can conjure up a whole raft of negative possibilities.

Dehumanising the enemy is the oldest psychological ploy in the book. Has there been a war where it wasn’t used? The Ukrainians dehumanise the Russians as ‘orcs’, the Russians dehumanise the Ukrainians as ‘Nazis’ without exception, and it works as well now as ever.

I can’t speak for others, but i never hear of ‘losses’ on either side without seeing humans wrecked or destroyed. Every time i’ve seen a video of a Russian tank turret flipping through the air, i’m conscious of the fact that three humans beings just met a violent and terrible end. See a drone video of a man jumping out of an APC right onto a land mine, and his right leg being blasted off, and there’s a human being wrecked.

I’ve seen too much human wreckage to ever forget that it always means lives ended or ruined, and a lot of other people in homes many miles away who are also getting their lives destroyed or terribly altered as well. Putin thought that this would be a cheap conquest, three days across Ukraine to the Bug River, a week at the outside, the roads strewn with flowers by a grateful populace. I wonder if he’d have been as keen if he’d been able to look int othe crystal ball, and see what was ahead?

captain_spalding said:

esselte said:

captain_spalding said:

There was lots of volunteers for the Nazis from ‘other’ nationalities during WW2. French, Dutch, Norwegian, people from just about every country that the Nazis occupied. The Nazis actively recruited volunteers from occupied countries, and many of them formed whole units of the SS. The Latvians were so keen that the Nazis were able to form two divisions of SS from them, and the Latvians were noted for their brutality.

These men were from places which the Nazis, including the SS, had overrun and occupied, and in which they’d installed a monstrous regime of arrest, torture, deportation, imprisonment, and murder. If they ‘didn’t know much about what the Nazi’s were up to’, then they had their heads buried in the sand.

‘…claims of NATO incursion into Russia’s “safe space”, or the distribution of natural resources around the Black Sea, the history of the area, the ethnic composition of populations, or any of the myriad of other reasons which justify (from the Russian perspective) the invasion of Ukraine. Think of the way we de-humanise the Russians in this conflict, referring to them as orcs and taking grim satisfaction every time a drone drops a grenade on their heads.’

‘Ukraine had (maybe still has) a policy of incorporating openly Neo-Nazi groups in to its military. They release war videos with Nazi iconography burned in to them as a watermark. It’s a horribly corrupt country. It’s likely that some Ukrainian soldiers during WWII and some Ukrainian soldiers today are committing war crimes against Russian soldiers. But because they are on our side in this current war (read, because it is in the Geopolitical interests of the USA and allies) we tend to sweep all that to the side and we talk only about how Ukrainians are bravely defending their country from invaders, David against Goliath, and shrug at the death of every Russian soldier with a comment “Well they shouldn’t be there in the first place”.’

If NATO makes ‘incursion(s) into Russia’s “safe space”, which i take to mean expansion of its membership into countries around Russia, then Russia has no-one to blame but itself. To talk of the history of the area is to talk of a history of Russia trying its best over centuries to utterly absorb and dissolve those countries, or to at least make them its weak vassal states. Who can blame them if, when presented with a chance to join an alliance which guarantees them help against any such future efforts by Russia, they rush to join it?

Finland and Sweden declined NATO for 70 years,until Russia attacked Ukraine in, as you say, a fit of combined greed for resources, paranoia, and personal grandiosity. Now Russia has the longest borders it’s ever had with NATO countries, which wouldn’t be the case if Russia hadn’t demonstrated a willingness to cross borders with simpleminded brutality of the regimes that they impose, now as it was under the Soviets, as it was under the Tsars. Russian leaders fear ‘incursion(s) into Russia’s “safe space”’ only because the proximity of states with better (or potentially better) regimes than Russia has might give the Russian people ideas.

Ukraine is, as you say, corrupt, and it has a dark side to its history. What country doesn’t have corruption, or skeletons in the cupboard? The ‘Nazi symbology’ is a pretty dumb thing to employ and perpetuate, but, to refer to the regional history again, some of that iconography is drawn from pre-Nazi times, just as the Nazis’ own swastika was drawn from a symbol in use as long ago as 500 BCE. But, i do agree, its use can conjure up a whole raft of negative possibilities.

Dehumanising the enemy is the oldest psychological ploy in the book. Has there been a war where it wasn’t used? The Ukrainians dehumanise the Russians as ‘orcs’, the Russians dehumanise the Ukrainians as ‘Nazis’ without exception, and it works as well now as ever.

I can’t speak for others, but i never hear of ‘losses’ on either side without seeing humans wrecked or destroyed. Every time i’ve seen a video of a Russian tank turret flipping through the air, i’m conscious of the fact that three humans beings just met a violent and terrible end. See a drone video of a man jumping out of an APC right onto a land mine, and his right leg being blasted off, and there’s a human being wrecked.

I’ve seen too much human wreckage to ever forget that it always means lives ended or ruined, and a lot of other people in homes many miles away who are also getting their lives destroyed or terribly altered as well. Putin thought that this would be a cheap conquest, three days across Ukraine to the Bug River, a week at the outside, the roads strewn with flowers by a grateful populace. I wonder if he’d have been as keen if he’d been able to look int othe crystal ball, and see what was ahead?

Cleaning up the pink bits in the ‘by time’ column, and i see that part of a paragraph disappeared somewhere.

It should be:

‘Finland and Sweden declined NATO for 70 years,until Russia attacked Ukraine in, as you say, a fit of combined greed for resources, paranoia, and personal grandiosity. Now Russia has the longest borders it’s ever had with NATO countries, which wouldn’t be the case if Russia hadn’t demonstrated a willingness to cross borders with ‘non-aligned’ states. Russian leaders fear their own population more than anything else because they’re afraid that those people might rise up against the simpleminded brutality of the regimes that they impose, now as it was under the Soviets, as it was under the Tsars. Russian leaders fear ‘incursion(s) into Russia’s “safe space”’ only because the proximity of states with better (or potentially better) regimes than Russia has might give the Russian people ideas.

Nobody told me

Volodymyr Zelensky’s mobilisation of women into the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not going very well…

At least fifty female medical specialists have died in Donbass.

Till the last Ukrainian…

BLOOD SPLATTERS for entertainment purposes, as German kid is buttheaded – and it’s unlikely to be followed up with the law.

Alleged new social media trend among migrant teens in Germany is to film themselves beat up Germans. Uploading this to the internet suggests the law is powerless to stop it.

NEW – Germany again imported more electricity than it exported in September. In mid-April, the left-green-liberal government shut down the remaining nuclear power plants.

https://youtu.be/6J9IMO-qHjw?si=IHg6ETlAT2FiXHqP

Bach

Stephen Lamont Crean (12 July 1947 – August 1985) was an Australian public servant, who was the son of Frank Crean and brother of Simon and David Crean, all politicians. Crean came to national attention in Australia due to his 1985 disappearance while skiing and the scale of the unsuccessful search to find him.

New briefing of the Russian Defence Ministry. Key points:

◾️ Russian army repulsed two AFU attacks in the Krasnolimansk direction; Ukrainian losses totalled over 60 militants eliminated and wounded;

◾️ Russian fotces successfully repelled three AFU attacks in the direction of Donetsk; Ukrainian losses totalled over 180 militants;

◾️ Zaporozhye direction, Russian army hit Ukrainian troops and equipment near Rabotino, Malaya Tokmachka, Novodanilovka and Verbovoye;

◾️ Russian air defence and electronic warfare intercepted two HIMARS shells, two tactical missiles and destroyed 45 Ukrainian drones during the day;

◾️ Russian forces destroyed fuel depots and air weapons of the Ukrainian Air Force at an airfield in the Dnepropetrovsk region;

◾️ The losses of the AFU in the Kupyansk direction totalled up to 65 militants;

◾️ Russian forces destroyed a US M109 Paladin howitzer and a US M777 artillery system in the direction of Kupyansk;

◾️ Russian army hit a communications centre of the 66th mechanised brigade of the AFU near Petrovskoye, LPR.

wookiemeister said:

New briefing of the Russian Defence Ministry. Key points:

◾️ Russian army repulsed two AFU attacks in the Krasnolimansk direction; Ukrainian losses totalled over 60 militants eliminated and wounded;

◾️ Russian fotces successfully repelled three AFU attacks in the direction of Donetsk; Ukrainian losses totalled over 180 militants;

◾️ Zaporozhye direction, Russian army hit Ukrainian troops and equipment near Rabotino, Malaya Tokmachka, Novodanilovka and Verbovoye;

◾️ Russian air defence and electronic warfare intercepted two HIMARS shells, two tactical missiles and destroyed 45 Ukrainian drones during the day;

◾️ Russian forces destroyed fuel depots and air weapons of the Ukrainian Air Force at an airfield in the Dnepropetrovsk region;

◾️ The losses of the AFU in the Kupyansk direction totalled up to 65 militants;

◾️ Russian forces destroyed a US M109 Paladin howitzer and a US M777 artillery system in the direction of Kupyansk;

◾️ Russian army hit a communications centre of the 66th mechanised brigade of the AFU near Petrovskoye, LPR.

Command and Conquer hey, its a good game, bit unrealistic though, no option for Russian military equipment sub standard due to bribes and too much wodka consumption.

wookiemeister said:

New briefing of the Russian Defence Ministry. Key points:

◾️ Russian army repulsed two AFU attacks in the Krasnolimansk direction; Ukrainian losses totalled over 60 militants eliminated and wounded;

◾️ Russian fotces successfully repelled three AFU attacks in the direction of Donetsk; Ukrainian losses totalled over 180 militants;

◾️ Zaporozhye direction, Russian army hit Ukrainian troops and equipment near Rabotino, Malaya Tokmachka, Novodanilovka and Verbovoye;

◾️ Russian air defence and electronic warfare intercepted two HIMARS shells, two tactical missiles and destroyed 45 Ukrainian drones during the day;

◾️ Russian forces destroyed fuel depots and air weapons of the Ukrainian Air Force at an airfield in the Dnepropetrovsk region;

◾️ The losses of the AFU in the Kupyansk direction totalled up to 65 militants;

◾️ Russian forces destroyed a US M109 Paladin howitzer and a US M777 artillery system in the direction of Kupyansk;

◾️ Russian army hit a communications centre of the 66th mechanised brigade of the AFU near Petrovskoye, LPR.

All of this is distinctly possible.

Also, it’s distinctly possible that any of it could have been fudged up by a company commander in a nice warm bunker some distance back from the front lines who’s tired of getting his men killed for the sake of Putin’s bullshit.

Situation everyone

wookiemeister said:

Situation everyone

All quiet.
Over.

Alpha Sierra. Sierra Romeo Sierra.

Its an israeli term

If you didn’t know there’s been a massive attack on israel

There’s stuff on the internet

They’ve got into an israeli base and killed a heap of soldiers

They are pumping rounds into the dead bodies. Looks like the army became incompetent. They are dancing around a captured merkava tank.

Will be interesting to see what the response will be. The left wing part of the army is on strike atm. Sederot a nearby town ( to the strip) has hamas driving around it.

My guesses is you’ll see an israeli artillery bombardment. Helicopter gunships. You’ll see the strip being pounded with shells. Hard core production – they’ll kill them all.

wookiemeister said:

There’s stuff on the internet

They’ve got into an israeli base and killed a heap of soldiers

They are pumping rounds into the dead bodies. Looks like the army became incompetent. They are dancing around a captured merkava tank.

Will be interesting to see what the response will be. The left wing part of the army is on strike atm. Sederot a nearby town ( to the strip) has hamas driving around it.

My guesses is you’ll see an israeli artillery bombardment. Helicopter gunships. You’ll see the strip being pounded with shells. Hard core production – they’ll kill them all.

Prediction

Superfuse!

Spiny Norman said:

Superfuse!

Its some crazy shit going on over there. I lived there for a year and a half. The whole place is a powder keg of extremists

Given the numbers of israeli soldiers killed, tortured, mutilation of bodies

From what I know , it will provoke a massive response.

But , maybe they’ve changed ??????

wookiemeister said:

Given the numbers of israeli soldiers killed, tortured, mutilation of bodies

From what I know , it will provoke a massive response.

But , maybe they’ve changed ??????

A 40-year-old male tourist from the United States was detained in Jerusalem after intentionally damaging two Roman sculptures on view at the Israel Museum late Thursday afternoon, October 5. The man called the sculptures “idolatrous and contrary to the Torah,” according to Israeli police.18 hours ago

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

Given the numbers of israeli soldiers killed, tortured, mutilation of bodies

From what I know , it will provoke a massive response.

But , maybe they’ve changed ??????

A 40-year-old male tourist from the United States was detained in Jerusalem after intentionally damaging two Roman sculptures on view at the Israel Museum late Thursday afternoon, October 5. The man called the sculptures “idolatrous and contrary to the Torah,” according to Israeli police.18 hours ago

Was his name Moses?

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

Given the numbers of israeli soldiers killed, tortured, mutilation of bodies

From what I know , it will provoke a massive response.

But , maybe they’ve changed ??????

A 40-year-old male tourist from the United States was detained in Jerusalem after intentionally damaging two Roman sculptures on view at the Israel Museum late Thursday afternoon, October 5. The man called the sculptures “idolatrous and contrary to the Torah,” according to Israeli police.18 hours ago

Was his name Moses?

I have these 15

I have these 10 commandments

Just looking some of that footage of those israeli soldiers

They’ll smash Gaza

I’d go as far as a nuclear strike on Iran and fellow traveller Arab states – I’d almost bet there are calls inside the Israeli cabinet for nuclear strikes at this very moment.

They’ll shut the power and water off to Gaza first.

They’ve just called the yanks and told them shits going down