consider hypothetically you’ve secretly grown to dislike the year, the annual thing, seems useless, that 365 day business historically related the movement of earth around the sun, the orbit, it’s getting in the way of progress, how old fashioned is that, and cultures being locked into that, christmas and whatever, even your birthday, birthdays make you older

which brings me to days, that 24hr business, similarly you’ve secretly come to dislike the day, as in the day/night cycle, for one it interrupts your wakefulness, the continuity of your higher mental functions, disrupts your wakeful projections, it’s a nuisance

I mean how useful can a day/night be, when in a thermodynamic sense maybe it’s more analogue, but you draw a line on the earth and make it a switch, you’re in a this or that world, made it so, arguably unnaturally

but now back to the orbit of earth around the sun, how anachronistic is that annual reset, calendars and clocks, how can clocks do their best work with a cyclic calendar, tied to

now consider, staying with you secretly dislike the year, and have moved on to some new reset, something more progressive, fitting with the modern age of machines, abundant machines, globally connected machines, additionally you’ve come to secretly want to reset everything with disasters, disasters anywhere on the planet, and there are so many disasters they all start to overlap, you then find yourself in a constant reset, a reset heaven

where to from there, what’s the progress forecast

Not exactly following your meaning
however

it was found that calendars were useful
as it informed farmers of the optimal date on which to plant & harvest
and hunters to know when the could expect animal migration patterns

I think a mutually agreed upon time & clocks
became crucial with the advent of trains & transportation scheduling.

…other than that, I kinda’ live move through my own time
in as much as I’m retired with no demands on my time even for eating
since I sleep & wake every few hours…the rub being coordinating that
w/ “Normal People” from meet-ups to doctor’s appointments etcetera.

anywho
it’s been found that almost everything even plants require periods of sleep
so night time seemed like the optimum time to conserve energy and stay
safely ensconced in our cave while doing so at an agreed upon schedule

transition said:

consider hypothetically you’ve secretly grown to dislike the year, the annual thing, seems useless, that 365 day business historically related the movement of earth around the sun, the orbit, it’s getting in the way of progress, how old fashioned is that, and cultures being locked into that, christmas and whatever, even your birthday, birthdays make you older

which brings me to days, that 24hr business, similarly you’ve secretly come to dislike the day, as in the day/night cycle, for one it interrupts your wakefulness, the continuity of your higher mental functions, disrupts your wakeful projections, it’s a nuisance

I mean how useful can a day/night be, when in a thermodynamic sense maybe it’s more analogue, but you draw a line on the earth and make it a switch, you’re in a this or that world, made it so, arguably unnaturally

but now back to the orbit of earth around the sun, how anachronistic is that annual reset, calendars and clocks, how can clocks do their best work with a cyclic calendar, tied to

now consider, staying with you secretly dislike the year, and have moved on to some new reset, something more progressive, fitting with the modern age of machines, abundant machines, globally connected machines, additionally you’ve come to secretly want to reset everything with disasters, disasters anywhere on the planet, and there are so many disasters they all start to overlap, you then find yourself in a constant reset, a reset heaven

where to from there, what’s the progress forecast

I regret to report that I quite like the year and the day, so I’m unable to participate in this exercise.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

consider hypothetically you’ve secretly grown to dislike the year, the annual thing, seems useless, that 365 day business historically related the movement of earth around the sun, the orbit, it’s getting in the way of progress, how old fashioned is that, and cultures being locked into that, christmas and whatever, even your birthday, birthdays make you older

which brings me to days, that 24hr business, similarly you’ve secretly come to dislike the day, as in the day/night cycle, for one it interrupts your wakefulness, the continuity of your higher mental functions, disrupts your wakeful projections, it’s a nuisance

I mean how useful can a day/night be, when in a thermodynamic sense maybe it’s more analogue, but you draw a line on the earth and make it a switch, you’re in a this or that world, made it so, arguably unnaturally

but now back to the orbit of earth around the sun, how anachronistic is that annual reset, calendars and clocks, how can clocks do their best work with a cyclic calendar, tied to

now consider, staying with you secretly dislike the year, and have moved on to some new reset, something more progressive, fitting with the modern age of machines, abundant machines, globally connected machines, additionally you’ve come to secretly want to reset everything with disasters, disasters anywhere on the planet, and there are so many disasters they all start to overlap, you then find yourself in a constant reset, a reset heaven

where to from there, what’s the progress forecast

I regret to report that I quite like the year and the day, so I’m unable to participate in this exercise.

+1

It’s worth noting that both 365 and 366 are relatively prime to 7. Thus, there are 14 different calendars corresponding to 7 common years and 7 leap years in which each date falls on each day of the week. If every year had 364 days, which is divisible by 7, then each date would fall on the same day of the week every year, which would be unfortunate if special dates fall on inconvenient days of the week.

Ogmog said:

Not exactly following your meaning
however

it was found that calendars were useful
as it informed farmers of the optimal date on which to plant & harvest
and hunters to know when the could expect animal migration patterns

I think a mutually agreed upon time & clocks
became crucial with the advent of trains & transportation scheduling.

…other than that, I kinda’ live move through my own time
in as much as I’m retired with no demands on my time even for eating
since I sleep & wake every few hours…the rub being coordinating that
w/ “Normal People” from meet-ups to doctor’s appointments etcetera.

anywho
it’s been found that almost everything even plants require periods of sleep
so night time seemed like the optimum time to conserve energy and stay
safely ensconced in our cave while doing so at an agreed upon schedule

on another note
I think the “Daylight Savings Time” was pretty much rendered useless
once Electricity / Electric Lights became all the go…

…which, upon reflection, I THINK is where the Original Post was positing…?

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Not exactly following your meaning
however

it was found that calendars were useful
as it informed farmers of the optimal date on which to plant & harvest
and hunters to know when the could expect animal migration patterns

I think a mutually agreed upon time & clocks
became crucial with the advent of trains & transportation scheduling.

…other than that, I kinda’ live move through my own time
in as much as I’m retired with no demands on my time even for eating
since I sleep & wake every few hours…the rub being coordinating that
w/ “Normal People” from meet-ups to doctor’s appointments etcetera.

anywho
it’s been found that almost everything even plants require periods of sleep
so night time seemed like the optimum time to conserve energy and stay
safely ensconced in our cave while doing so at an agreed upon schedule

on another note
I think the “Daylight Savings Time” was pretty much rendered useless
once Electricity / Electric Lights became all the go…

…which, upon reflection, I THINK is where the Original Post was positing…?

transistion always talks in riddles.

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Not exactly following your meaning
however

it was found that calendars were useful
as it informed farmers of the optimal date on which to plant & harvest
and hunters to know when the could expect animal migration patterns

I think a mutually agreed upon time & clocks
became crucial with the advent of trains & transportation scheduling.

…other than that, I kinda’ live move through my own time
in as much as I’m retired with no demands on my time even for eating
since I sleep & wake every few hours…the rub being coordinating that
w/ “Normal People” from meet-ups to doctor’s appointments etcetera.

anywho
it’s been found that almost everything even plants require periods of sleep
so night time seemed like the optimum time to conserve energy and stay
safely ensconced in our cave while doing so at an agreed upon schedule

on another note
I think the “Daylight Savings Time” was pretty much rendered useless
once Electricity / Electric Lights became all the go…

…which, upon reflection, I THINK is where the Original Post was positing…?

you haven’t lived in a place greater than 30° south or north. Living in England as a kid, go to school in the dark and come home in the dark. with DLS you got one journey in the light.

roughbarked said:

Ogmog said:

Ogmog said:

Not exactly following your meaning
however

it was found that calendars were useful
as it informed farmers of the optimal date on which to plant & harvest
and hunters to know when the could expect animal migration patterns

I think a mutually agreed upon time & clocks
became crucial with the advent of trains & transportation scheduling.

…other than that, I kinda’ live move through my own time
in as much as I’m retired with no demands on my time even for eating
since I sleep & wake every few hours…the rub being coordinating that
w/ “Normal People” from meet-ups to doctor’s appointments etcetera.

anywho
it’s been found that almost everything even plants require periods of sleep
so night time seemed like the optimum time to conserve energy and stay
safely ensconced in our cave while doing so at an agreed upon schedule

on another note
I think the “Daylight Savings Time” was pretty much rendered useless
once Electricity / Electric Lights became all the go…

…which, upon reflection, I THINK is where the Original Post was positing…?

transistion always talks in riddles.

don’t mind rambling on in riddles
I do it myself at times
(although it’s not intentional)

>transistion always talks in riddles.

I like this below from wiki, quite a good explainies quoted there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddle
“…In the assessment of Elli Köngäs-Maranda (originally writing about Malaitian riddles, but with an insight that has been taken up more widely), whereas myths serve to encode and establish social norms, “riddles make a point of playing with conceptual boundaries and crossing them for the intellectual pleasure of showing that things are not quite as stable as they seem” — though the point of doing so may still ultimately be to “play with boundaries, but ultimately to affirm them”….”

“…The modern English word riddle shares its origin with the word read, both stemming from the Common Germanic verb *rēdaną, which meant ‘to interpret, guess’. From this verb came the West Germanic noun *rādislī, literally meaning ‘thing to be guessed, thing to be interpreted’. From this comes Dutch raadsel, German Rätsel, and Old English *rǣdels, the latter of which became modern English riddle…”

transition said:

>transistion always talks in riddles.

I like this below from wiki, quite a good explainies quoted there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddle
“…In the assessment of Elli Köngäs-Maranda (originally writing about Malaitian riddles, but with an insight that has been taken up more widely), whereas myths serve to encode and establish social norms, “riddles make a point of playing with conceptual boundaries and crossing them for the intellectual pleasure of showing that things are not quite as stable as they seem” — though the point of doing so may still ultimately be to “play with boundaries, but ultimately to affirm them”….”

“…The modern English word riddle shares its origin with the word read, both stemming from the Common Germanic verb *rēdaną, which meant ‘to interpret, guess’. From this verb came the West Germanic noun *rādislī, literally meaning ‘thing to be guessed, thing to be interpreted’. From this comes Dutch raadsel, German Rätsel, and Old English *rǣdels, the latter of which became modern English riddle…”

Riddles are rooted in antiquity

ah, yes…. Riddles…

We went to see a comedy troupe after which we were the last 4 people on line to get autographs or what have you;
I stepped forward but realized I had nothing to sign so I thrust forward a pack of EZWider rolling papers
Phil Proctor snatched them from my hand, held them aloft yelling “PAPERS PLEASE!”
as the rest of the troupe gathered round laughing as they took up the familiar authoritative meme,
then once started they continued to toss jokes back and forth leading to a 1/2 hour FREE SHOW!

when the laughter began to die down my friend Paulette came face to face with her comedy idle, Phil Proctor, …and instead of some lame question like
“What made you go into comedy (or whatever)” she asked the burning question that had eluded her for yonks:

Why DOES the porridge bird lay his egg in the air?

Looking earnestly into her eyes as she became one of the first people ever to receive the actual answer
(Google It and you’ll find 100 different answers (guesses) all of which are wrong)

Upon giving her the answer, he took her by both hands and pulled her to the floor
after which the four of us entered another 1/2 hour session with FireSign Theatre.

duh;
I’m not going to give you the answer…
…that would be telling.

transition said:

>transistion always talks in riddles.

I like this below from wiki, quite a good explainies quoted there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddle
“…In the assessment of Elli Köngäs-Maranda (originally writing about Malaitian riddles, but with an insight that has been taken up more widely), whereas myths serve to encode and establish social norms, “riddles make a point of playing with conceptual boundaries and crossing them for the intellectual pleasure of showing that things are not quite as stable as they seem” — though the point of doing so may still ultimately be to “play with boundaries, but ultimately to affirm them”….”

“…The modern English word riddle shares its origin with the word read, both stemming from the Common Germanic verb *rēdaną, which meant ‘to interpret, guess’. From this verb came the West Germanic noun *rādislī, literally meaning ‘thing to be guessed, thing to be interpreted’. From this comes Dutch raadsel, German Rätsel, and Old English *rǣdels, the latter of which became modern English riddle…”

:)

Ogmog said:

ah, yes…. Riddles…

>snip<

Why DOES the porridge bird lay his egg in the air?

Looking earnestly into her eyes as she became one of the first people ever to receive the actual answer
(Google It and you’ll find 100 different answers (guesses) all of which are wrong)

Upon giving her the answer, he took her by both hands and pulled her to the floor
after which the four of us entered another 1/2 hour session with FireSign Theatre.

duh;
I’m not going to give you the answer…
…that would be telling.

https://medium.com/@stannenb/with-one-of-its-easter-eggs-siri-evokes-the-firesign-theater-and-steve-jobs-86ea5b4874d3

transition said:

consider hypothetically you’ve secretly grown to dislike the year, the annual thing, seems useless, that 365 day business historically related the movement of earth around the sun, the orbit, it’s getting in the way of progress, how old fashioned is that, and cultures being locked into that, christmas and whatever, even your birthday, birthdays make you older

which brings me to days, that 24hr business, similarly you’ve secretly come to dislike the day, as in the day/night cycle, for one it interrupts your wakefulness, the continuity of your higher mental functions, disrupts your wakeful projections, it’s a nuisance

I mean how useful can a day/night be, when in a thermodynamic sense maybe it’s more analogue, but you draw a line on the earth and make it a switch, you’re in a this or that world, made it so, arguably unnaturally

but now back to the orbit of earth around the sun, how anachronistic is that annual reset, calendars and clocks, how can clocks do their best work with a cyclic calendar, tied to

now consider, staying with you secretly dislike the year, and have moved on to some new reset, something more progressive, fitting with the modern age of machines, abundant machines, globally connected machines, additionally you’ve come to secretly want to reset everything with disasters, disasters anywhere on the planet, and there are so many disasters they all start to overlap, you then find yourself in a constant reset, a reset heaven

where to from there, what’s the progress forecast?

A “constant reset, a reset heaven” sounds like religion.
Consider some previous resets.

Reset from 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night to 24 equal hours.
Reset from Julian calendar to, well, Astronomers still use the Julian calendar that the rest of us have abandoned.
Reset four years for the birth of Christ.
Reset for Mohammed.
Roman and Egyptian resets each time a new Emperor came along.
Reset from the Jewish chronology of the Old Testament.
Reset for Jain in India.
Mayan and Incan resets.
Leap years and leap seconds.
Use of Sols on Mars rather than Days. A Martian day- or Sol- is 24 hours and 37 minutes long, and while every Sol is different.
Use of 1950 as a starting point for modern era, and I’ve seen more recent dates being used, too.

Then there are shorter term resets.
Resets of working hours, opening hours, night shifts.
Irregular sleep and wake cycles, Eg. It’s now 2:52 am.
Resets for calendar year Vs tax year.
Reset for European seasons Vs aboriginal seasons.

Resets involve both mergers and splits.

> Where to from there, what’s the progress forecast?

For a progress forecast I want to move away from time to species.
Scientific names of species are being reset at an ever-increasing rate.
From chelonian to testudines
From donax to pseudodonax
A saw yesterday that golden staff is no longer stafalococcus.
With more layers of taxonomy being added at a rate faster than one new layer a year.

So taking that back to time resets.

Progress forecast is a multilayer of time cycles one above the other with more types of time cycles being added continuously and existing ones being renamed, split and redefined.