Yeah that thread is also getting unwieldy so here’s a fresh-un to get us through the next three months.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/04/sunak-sparks-tory-civil-war-with-scrapping-of-hs2-manchester-leg

Sunak sparks Tory civil war with scrapping of HS2 Manchester leg
Tory leader’s attempt to portray himself as change candidate at party conference overshadowed by fierce criticism of U-turn

Rishi Sunak unleashed a Tory civil war on Wednesday by announcing the scrapping of the northern leg of HS2 as the former prime minister David Cameron said the decision showed the country was heading in the wrong direction.
Cameron led a torrent of criticism of the announcement, which it emerged was made without consulting the cabinet, parliament, local councils or Network Rail, saying it passed up a once-in-a-generation opportunity.

“It will help to fuel the views of those who argue that we can no longer think or act for the long-term as a country; that we are heading in the wrong direction,” he warned.

Cameron said the announcement threw away “15 years of cross-party consensus, sustained over six administrations, and would make it much harder to build consensus for any future long-term projects”.

However, Sunak told Tory activists in Manchester that he was focused on the long term as he presented himself – the fifth Tory prime minister in 13 unbroken years of the party’s rule – as the change candidate at the next election.

“At the next election the choice that people face is bigger than party politics,” he said.

“Do we want a government committed to making long-term decisions, prepared to be radical in the face of challenges and to take on vested interests, or do we want to stand still and quietly accept more of the same?

“You either think this country needs to change, or you don’t. And if you do, you should stand with me and every person in this hall, you should stand with the Conservatives.”

He directly challenged critics of his HS2 plans including former prime ministers Boris Johnson and Theresa May, as well as the West Midlands mayor, Andy Street, who pulled back from the brink of quitting the Tory party.

“I say to those who backed the project in the first place, the facts have changed. The right thing to do when the facts change is to have the courage to change direction,” he said.

Cameron was joined by Johnson, who replied to his post on X, formerly known as Twitter, criticising the announcement simply with: “I agree.”

Sunak was accused of the “biggest and most damaging U-turn in the history of UK infrastructure” by the rail industry despite a promise to divert funds into transport schemes in the Midlands and north, including some already under way, as well as projects previously paused or cancelled by the government.

Sunak had insisted all week that no final decision had been made on scrapping the Manchester leg. However, he later posted a video online – outlining why he had made the decision – that had been recorded in No 10 at least three days before the conference.

——

Gobsmacked by the hide.

Hoe can you be a fucking “change candidate” when are one of an unbroken line of PM’s stretching over 13 years, with each one being worse than the last?

party_pants said:

Hoe can you be a fucking “change candidate” when are one of an unbroken line of PM’s stretching over 13 years, with each one being worse than the last?

Maybe he means a change for the worse

dv said:

party_pants said:

Hoe can you be a fucking “change candidate” when are one of an unbroken line of PM’s stretching over 13 years, with each one being worse than the last?

Maybe he means a change for the worse

OK. I’ll pay that :)

party_pants said:

Hoe can you be a fucking “change candidate” when are one of an unbroken line of PM’s stretching over 13 years, with each one being worse than the last?

Could mean ‘change’ as in ‘rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic (while repeatedly ramming the ice-berg) makes for a change’.

When even Cameron and Johnson think he’s rubbish, it’s a bit alarming.

The year of the 4 caesars

Bubblecar said:

When even Cameron and Johnson think he’s rubbish, it’s a bit alarming.

It’s like when I was telling myself at least the US will never have a dumber president than Bush.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

When even Cameron and Johnson think he’s rubbish, it’s a bit alarming.

It’s like when I was telling myself at least the US will never have a dumber president than Bush.

Yeah, DJT makes GWB look like Mensa material, by comparison.

¡stanD uP anD fighT

SCIENCE said:

¡stanD uP anD fighT

Democracy Means Free Speech ¡

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/21/uk-government-keeping-files-on-teaching-assistants-and-librarians-internet-activity

The government has been monitoring the social media accounts of “dozens” of ordinary teaching staff, including teaching assistants, and is keeping files on posts that criticise education policies, the Observer has learned. Many outraged educators have rushed to submit subject access requests compelling the DfE to release any information it holds under their name, after discovering there were files up to 60 pages long about their tweets and comments challenging government policy or the schools inspectorate, Ofsted.

The Observer’s story a fortnight ago revealed how the DfE tried to cancel a conference because two of its speakers, early-years experts Ruth Swailes and Aaron Bradbury, had previously been critical of government policy.

Oh c’m‘on it’s just funding, it’s totally fair.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

¡stanD uP anD fighT

Democracy Means Free Speech ¡

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/21/uk-government-keeping-files-on-teaching-assistants-and-librarians-internet-activity

The government has been monitoring the social media accounts of “dozens” of ordinary teaching staff, including teaching assistants, and is keeping files on posts that criticise education policies, the Observer has learned. Many outraged educators have rushed to submit subject access requests compelling the DfE to release any information it holds under their name, after discovering there were files up to 60 pages long about their tweets and comments challenging government policy or the schools inspectorate, Ofsted.

The Observer’s story a fortnight ago revealed how the DfE tried to cancel a conference because two of its speakers, early-years experts Ruth Swailes and Aaron Bradbury, had previously been critical of government policy.

Oh c’m‘on it’s just funding, it’s totally fair.

Indo-European Languages: New Study Reconciles Two Dominant Hypotheses About Their Origin

https://theconversation.com/indo-european-languages-new-study-reconciles-two-dominant-hypotheses-about-their-origin-216098

Thanks (whoever put this up). This was an interesting read.

https://theconversation.com/indo-european-languages-new-study-reconciles-two-dominant-hypotheses-about-their-origin-216098

Speaking of linguistic supremacy,

No Proud Master Racism Here ¡

Oh that French Canadian English Quebec thing seems relevant too but

anyway, as we(1,1,1) all know, we(1,0,0)’re better than Shakespeare¡

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Indo-European Languages: New Study Reconciles Two Dominant Hypotheses About Their Origin

https://theconversation.com/indo-european-languages-new-study-reconciles-two-dominant-hypotheses-about-their-origin-216098

Thanks (whoever put this up). This was an interesting read.

https://theconversation.com/indo-european-languages-new-study-reconciles-two-dominant-hypotheses-about-their-origin-216098

Speaking of linguistic supremacy,

No Proud Master Racism Here ¡

Oh that French Canadian English Quebec thing seems relevant too but

anyway, as we(1,1,1) all know, we(1,0,0)’re better than Shakespeare¡

Have to wonder what the blimp was hoping to achieve with such a claim. Especially as the Tories have been in power for ages so whatever he’s complaining about is his fault.

Bubblecar said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

Thanks (whoever put this up). This was an interesting read.

https://theconversation.com/indo-european-languages-new-study-reconciles-two-dominant-hypotheses-about-their-origin-216098

Speaking of linguistic supremacy,

No Proud Master Racism Here ¡

Oh that French Canadian English Quebec thing seems relevant too but

anyway, as we(1,1,1) all know, we(1,0,0)’re better than Shakespeare¡

Have to wonder what the blimp was hoping to achieve with such a claim. Especially as the Tories have been in power for ages so whatever he’s complaining about is his fault.

Darkies all over the Palace of Westminster too! DAMN you Labour!

The Tories will pay a heave price at the ballot box for electing a darkie as PM you mark my words.

From

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Police and far-right protesters clash near Cenotaph – video

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2023/nov/11/police-and-far-right-protesters-clash-near-cenotaph-video

dv said:

Police and far-right protesters clash near Cenotaph – video

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2023/nov/11/police-and-far-right-protesters-clash-near-cenotaph-video

hate illinois nazis.

dv said:

Police and far-right protesters clash near Cenotaph – video

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2023/nov/11/police-and-far-right-protesters-clash-near-cenotaph-video

Excellent.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Police and far-right protesters clash near Cenotaph – video

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2023/nov/11/police-and-far-right-protesters-clash-near-cenotaph-video

hate illinois nazis.

Excellent.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

hate illinois nazis.

Excellent.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Excellent.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

Hitler was pretty far right & was keen on Jewish extermination.

Tamb said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

Hitler was pretty far right & was keen on Jewish extermination.

I seem to recall some mention of those attributes of his somewhere or other.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Excellent.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

The far right only care about “owning the libs”… I reckon the left could come out in support of higher taxes and no immigration and the right would oppose it.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Excellent.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

I don’t think the UK Tories represent the far right. I think this is more about the ‘law and order’ angle.

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

The far right only care about “owning the libs”… I reckon the left could come out in support of higher taxes and no immigration and the right would oppose it.

I really hate that football team approach to politics. I blame social media.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Excellent.

https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723361186643607949

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

Kind of a weird dichotomy. Nixon for instance was notoriously antisemitic, the tapes are full of stuff that would scorch Henry Ford’s eyebrows, but remained ferociously pro-Israel because it furthered the US’s security interests. Pew polling consistently shows that Jewish Americans are more critical of Israel than Christian Evangelists are. Indeed the Pro-Palestinian movement in the UK has plenty of Jews in its leadership. Support for Israel is very much decoupled from love for Jewish people.

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

So why are the far right now siding with Israel? I thought hating on Jews was one of the central pillars of their maifesto.

The far right only care about “owning the libs”… I reckon the left could come out in support of higher taxes and no immigration and the right would oppose it.

I really hate that football team approach to politics. I blame social media.

It was happeniing before we invented the term.

dv said:

lol

<—— Meme thread

I must confess to never having watched the film Gaslighting – even though I know the meaning of the metaphor.

party_pants said:

I must confess to never having watched the film Gaslighting – even though I know the meaning of the metaphor.

This meaning?

https://packaged-media.redd.it/eygl2nfw30981/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1699804800&s=82650ff2b5645455c3e013f93775e2b402768874#t=0

Link

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

I must confess to never having watched the film Gaslighting – even though I know the meaning of the metaphor.

This meaning?

https://packaged-media.redd.it/eygl2nfw30981/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1699804800&s=82650ff2b5645455c3e013f93775e2b402768874#t=0

Link

nien

party_pants said:

I must confess to never having watched the film Gaslighting – even though I know the meaning of the metaphor.

I didn’t even know there is a film called Gaslighting.

(… or even what gaslighting means, exactly)

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

I must confess to never having watched the film Gaslighting – even though I know the meaning of the metaphor.

I didn’t even know there is a film called Gaslighting.

(… or even what gaslighting means, exactly)

It is an old black and white film I think.

Sorry, it is called Gaslight not Gaslighting. 1944

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

I must confess to never having watched the film Gaslighting – even though I know the meaning of the metaphor.

I didn’t even know there is a film called Gaslighting.

(… or even what gaslighting means, exactly)

It is an old black and white film I think.

I have now consulted the Bingbot and have a better idea what gasllighting means.

I think my problem with comprehension was because none of the examples I have seen come anywhere near being what the word is supposed to describe.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

I must confess to never having watched the film Gaslighting – even though I know the meaning of the metaphor.

I didn’t even know there is a film called Gaslighting.

(… or even what gaslighting means, exactly)

That’s ok, you’re not smart enough to understand what the grown-ups are talking about.

^ That’s gaslighting.

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I didn’t even know there is a film called Gaslighting.

(… or even what gaslighting means, exactly)

It is an old black and white film I think.

I have now consulted the Bingbot and have a better idea what gasllighting means.

I think my problem with comprehension was because none of the examples I have seen come anywhere near being what the word is supposed to describe.

How very odd

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

It is an old black and white film I think.

I have now consulted the Bingbot and have a better idea what gasllighting means.

I think my problem with comprehension was because none of the examples I have seen come anywhere near being what the word is supposed to describe.

How very odd

Is it?

For example, the example just given by Kingy doesn’t seem to me to be what was described by the bingbot.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have now consulted the Bingbot and have a better idea what gasllighting means.

I think my problem with comprehension was because none of the examples I have seen come anywhere near being what the word is supposed to describe.

How very odd

Is it?

For example, the example just given by Kingy doesn’t seem to me to be what was described by the bingbot.

Gaslighting is when they used to use gas for street lighting.
As a matter of fact they had lamp lighters and lap putter outers.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have now consulted the Bingbot and have a better idea what gasllighting means.

I think my problem with comprehension was because none of the examples I have seen come anywhere near being what the word is supposed to describe.

How very odd

Is it?

For example, the example just given by Kingy doesn’t seem to me to be what was described by the bingbot.

This is how I usually see it in the media. It’s somewhat allegorical but not beyond the point of comprehension.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/donald-trump-september-18-january-6/index.html

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have now consulted the Bingbot and have a better idea what gasllighting means.

I think my problem with comprehension was because none of the examples I have seen come anywhere near being what the word is supposed to describe.

How very odd

Is it?

For example, the example just given by Kingy doesn’t seem to me to be what was described by the bingbot.

Yeah, it wasn’t quite accurate. Try this.

Suella Braverman has been sacked as Home Secretary following comments that the police were too rough on far right protesters. She has been replaced in the role by James Cleverly who is currently Foreign Secretary. It is expected that there will be a flow-on reshuffle.

dv said:

Suella Braverman has been sacked as Home Secretary following comments that the police were too rough on far right protesters. She has been replaced in the role by James Cleverly who is currently Foreign Secretary. It is expected that there will be a flow-on reshuffle.

I’m sure that Suella doesn’t mind getting sacked all that much. She’s now free to challenge Rishi Sunak for the leadership.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Suella Braverman has been sacked as Home Secretary following comments that the police were too rough on far right protesters. She has been replaced in the role by James Cleverly who is currently Foreign Secretary. It is expected that there will be a flow-on reshuffle.

I’m sure that Suella doesn’t mind getting sacked all that much. She’s now free to challenge Rishi Sunak for the leadership.

I think of the evil one in 101 Dalmatians when I see her name.

dv said:

Suella Braverman has been sacked as Home Secretary following comments that the police were too rough on far right protesters. She has been replaced in the role by James Cleverly who is currently Foreign Secretary. It is expected that there will be a flow-on reshuffle.

Excellent. A cruel and bitter old hag that woman. Now if Rishi Sunak had any gut he’d kick her out of the party and disendorse her from running for the Tory party at the next election.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Suella Braverman has been sacked as Home Secretary following comments that the police were too rough on far right protesters. She has been replaced in the role by James Cleverly who is currently Foreign Secretary. It is expected that there will be a flow-on reshuffle.

Excellent. A cruel and bitter old hag that woman. Now if Rishi Sunak had any gut he’d kick her out of the party and disendorse her from running for the Tory party at the next election.

JudgeMental said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Suella Braverman has been sacked as Home Secretary following comments that the police were too rough on far right protesters. She has been replaced in the role by James Cleverly who is currently Foreign Secretary. It is expected that there will be a flow-on reshuffle.

Excellent. A cruel and bitter old hag that woman. Now if Rishi Sunak had any gut he’d kick her out of the party and disendorse her from running for the Tory party at the next election.

Oh c’m‘on everyone knows that poverty and destitution are lifestyle choices¡

Democracy hard at work¡

The former PM did make headlines in 2021, however, after it was revealed he had lobbied government ministers for cash for his now-insolvent finance firm Greensill Capital. King Charles has approved Mr Cameron, 57, to take a seat in the House of Lords — which is a completely unelected upper chamber of British politics, for which there is no direct equivalent in Australia.

party_pants said:

dv said:

Suella Braverman has been sacked as Home Secretary following comments that the police were too rough on far right protesters. She has been replaced in the role by James Cleverly who is currently Foreign Secretary. It is expected that there will be a flow-on reshuffle.

Excellent. A cruel and bitter old hag that woman. Now if Rishi Sunak had any gut he’d kick her out of the party and disendorse her from running for the Tory party at the next election.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/interactive-guide-to-the-uk-cabinet-reshuffle-david-cameron/103101926

sarahs mum said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/interactive-guide-to-the-uk-cabinet-reshuffle-david-cameron/103101926

New position: Foreign Secretary

Replaces: James Cleverly

Former British prime minister David Cameron has made a shock return to politics, saying he’s “delighted” to become the country’s new foreign secretary.

Mr Cameron served as prime minister from May 11, 2010 to July 13, 2016, three weeks after the Brexit vote on June 23.

There have been four prime ministers since, making it five in seven years, the biggest period of change since the 1920s.

He will return to government through an appointment to the UK Parliament’s unelected upper chamber, the House of Lords.

Mr Cameron’s return suggests Mr Sunak wants to bring in a more centrist, experienced hand rather than appease the populist right of his party which backed Suella Braverman.

It also reawakens divisive debate over Brexit.

Bold move to put in charge of the foreign office the person responsible for Britain’s worst foreign affairs disaster.

Britain’s ‘unbearable’ sewerage problem is a warning against privatisation in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/privatisation-public-assets-water-sewage-transport-fair-society/103097448

dv said:

Britain’s ‘unbearable’ sewerage problem is a warning against privatisation in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/privatisation-public-assets-water-sewage-transport-fair-society/103097448

Ridiculous.

Private industry always does a better job than bloated, lethargic organisations run by the so-called ‘state’.

And don’t forget the benefits of competition. There’ll be all those sewerage companies vying for the right to deal with your sewage, with market pressures compelling them to offer you ever-cheaper options.

You know, just like with the energy market.

And i almost forgot: just like the banks have been competing to offer the lowest interest rates on loans, since they were de-regulated.

Fani Willis Seeks Protective Order Following Leaked Witness Videos In Trump Case
Leaking the videos was “clearly intended to intimidate witnesses in this case,” the Georgia prosecutor said.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who’s pursuing an election interference case against Donald Trump, filed a request for an emergency protective order Tuesday after confidential footage of key witness testimony was released to the public.

The order sought by the Georgia prosecutor would prohibit all parties in the case from disclosing any discovery materials. Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee agreed to schedule an emergency hearing on the request for Wednesday.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fani-willis-leaked-testimony-protective-order_n_6553d15ee4b0e4767011e79a
——

dv said:

Fani Willis Seeks Protective Order Following Leaked Witness Videos In Trump Case
Leaking the videos was “clearly intended to intimidate witnesses in this case,” the Georgia prosecutor said.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who’s pursuing an election interference case against Donald Trump, filed a request for an emergency protective order Tuesday after confidential footage of key witness testimony was released to the public.

The order sought by the Georgia prosecutor would prohibit all parties in the case from disclosing any discovery materials. Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee agreed to schedule an emergency hearing on the request for Wednesday.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fani-willis-leaked-testimony-protective-order_n_6553d15ee4b0e4767011e79a
——

Heck!

The PM said he would be taking the “extraordinary step of introducing emergency legislation”, which will “enable parliament to confirm that with our new treaty, Rwanda is safe”.

But he also acknowledged that even if domestic laws are changed, the government could still face legal challenges from the European Court of Human Rights and vowed: “I will not allow a foreign court to block these flights.”

Finally, some responsible economic management¡

https://youtu.be/7VhMHJeo1XM?si=uSa0xVXGYrkOt1cK

Rail Focus examines the projected impact on capacity of Rishi Sunak’s decision to terminate HS2 at Birmingham

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pm-sunak-reportedly-said-just-let-people-die-covid-inquiry-hears-2023-11-20/

dv said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pm-sunak-reportedly-said-just-let-people-die-covid-inquiry-hears-2023-11-20/

Mad and creepy.

The Economy Must Grow ¡

SCIENCE said:

The Economy Must Grow ¡

It’s not though.

All the Tories had was their claim to be better economic managers and they absolutely laid waste to the economy

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

Shit eh.

In Australia is someone dies intestate and literally no blood relatives can be located then it does end up with the state government but that’s very rare.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

Shit eh.

In Australia is someone dies intestate and literally no blood relatives can be located then it does end up with the state government but that’s very rare.

so the solution is, have a will.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

Shit eh.

In Australia is someone dies intestate and literally no blood relatives can be located then it does end up with the state government but that’s very rare.

so the solution is, have a will.

Can you leave your debtscto the state, as well as your assets?

Not chump change either, I thought it might have been some trifling amount that the monarch had overlooked but it makes up about a quarter of his earnings from the Duchy.

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

hate can cloud ones judgement.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

It would appear it only just came to public light.

JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

hate can cloud ones judgement.

Ha, Boris doesn’t like the little people criticising his monarch.

As it happens I never had a good word to say about the “king’s” mother either, as I recognise that monarchism is a very primitive and indefensibly unfair system, and a cornerstone of the nasty British class system.

we agree that monarchy is shit

dv said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

It would appear it only just came to public light.

Seems like it’s a pretty old tradition. I’m sure people knew it existed.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

It would appear it only just came to public light.

Seems like it’s a pretty old tradition. I’m sure people knew it existed.

I think that all the dudgeon is about how they acknowledged that the duchy received the money, but spun a mostly bullshit story about the proceeds going to charity.

While some of it did, quite a bit of it did not, and no-one really said anything about that, just kept that little earner under their hats.

buffy said:

dv said:

buffy said:

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

It would appear it only just came to public light.

Seems like it’s a pretty old tradition. I’m sure people knew it existed.

What’s new is the information that the money is not mainly going to charity.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

All the Royals annoy me.

JudgeMental said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Not content to leech off the living, the flap-eared cnut sucks the dead:

Revealed: King Charles secretly profiting from the assets of dead citizens

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/revealed-king-charles-secretly-profiting-from-the-assets-of-dead-citizens

But if you read the article you find that the Queen was been receiving this income until she died. Why the annoyance at Charlie and not Lillibet?

hate can cloud ones judgement.

This it can. It is wise to avoid such emotions.

This kind of thing always makes me wonder about the reality of those richest monarch lists. Elizabeth and now Charles’s wealth was often stated as being around 600 to 700 million dollars, but the Duchy of Lancaster is worth over a billion. The two Duchies have been earning the family about 50 million a year for ages… if they are doing any kind of reasonable investment they should have accumulated billions of dollars.

dv said:

This kind of thing always makes me wonder about the reality of those richest monarch lists. Elizabeth and now Charles’s wealth was often stated as being around 600 to 700 million dollars, but the Duchy of Lancaster is worth over a billion. The two Duchies have been earning the family about 50 million a year for ages… if they are doing any kind of reasonable investment they should have accumulated billions of dollars.

Charles has built the town around his own British aesthetics. There could be a major amount of reinvestment.

dv said:

This kind of thing always makes me wonder about the reality of those richest monarch lists. Elizabeth and now Charles’s wealth was often stated as being around 600 to 700 million dollars, but the Duchy of Lancaster is worth over a billion. The two Duchies have been earning the family about 50 million a year for ages… if they are doing any kind of reasonable investment they should have accumulated billions of dollars.

maybe they have either very good accountants or very bad ones.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

This kind of thing always makes me wonder about the reality of those richest monarch lists. Elizabeth and now Charles’s wealth was often stated as being around 600 to 700 million dollars, but the Duchy of Lancaster is worth over a billion. The two Duchies have been earning the family about 50 million a year for ages… if they are doing any kind of reasonable investment they should have accumulated billions of dollars.

maybe they have either very good accountants or very bad ones.

And 50 mil wont go far when you’ve got to maintain an upkeep all the estates.

Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

This kind of thing always makes me wonder about the reality of those richest monarch lists. Elizabeth and now Charles’s wealth was often stated as being around 600 to 700 million dollars, but the Duchy of Lancaster is worth over a billion. The two Duchies have been earning the family about 50 million a year for ages… if they are doing any kind of reasonable investment they should have accumulated billions of dollars.

maybe they have either very good accountants or very bad ones.

And 50 mil wont go far when you’ve got to maintain an upkeep all the estates.

Looking at whatever the chair of the organisation takes home in after pay, ie; the eventual payout of the likes of our recent Quantas boss.

Peak Warming Man said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

This kind of thing always makes me wonder about the reality of those richest monarch lists. Elizabeth and now Charles’s wealth was often stated as being around 600 to 700 million dollars, but the Duchy of Lancaster is worth over a billion. The two Duchies have been earning the family about 50 million a year for ages… if they are doing any kind of reasonable investment they should have accumulated billions of dollars.

maybe they have either very good accountants or very bad ones.

And 50 mil wont go far when you’ve got to maintain an upkeep all the estates.

it’s a thankless task being King.

Self Portrait in the Housing Market aka Seeking Comfort in an Uncomfortable Housing Market (2022) by London-based British conceptual and data artist, Rachel Ara (born in 1965).
Digital print
107 × 62 cm, 42 × 24 in approx

Rachel Ara was originally a computer programmer before studying for a Fine Art BA degree at Goldsmiths, University of London.
She is an elected Academician of the Royal West of England Academy and a member of the Royal Society of Sculptors.
In a 2019 interview with Vanessa Murrell from DATEAGLE ART, Ara said, “You can’t make subtle artwork and survive.”

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/rishi-sunaks-looming-leadership-crisis/

Rishi Sunak’s looming leadership crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=nt9_KViinqU

Paul Scriven, LibDem member of the House of Lords, introduces a bill to disestablish the Church of England.

dv said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=nt9_KViinqU

Paul Scriven, LibDem member of the House of Lords, introduces a bill to disestablish the Church of England.

If Harry converts to Islam and claims the British throne in the name of Alah it might have popular support in the high streets.
It would upset the establishment, Sir Keir Stammer wouldn’t be happy for starters.

Tweed, the river I most associate with Scotland, had its mouth in England.

dv said:

Tweed, the river I most associate with Scotland, had its mouth in England.

Berwick-upon-Tweed is indeed in England and is indeed situated upon the River Tweed.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Tweed, the river I most associate with Scotland, had its mouth in England.

Berwick-upon-Tweed is indeed in England and is indeed situated upon the River Tweed.

Just goes to show eh

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Tweed, the river I most associate with Scotland, had its mouth in England.

Berwick-upon-Tweed is indeed in England and is indeed situated upon the River Tweed.

Just goes to show eh

you never can tell…

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Tweed, the river I most associate with Scotland, had its mouth in England.

Berwick-upon-Tweed is indeed in England and is indeed situated upon the River Tweed.

Just goes to show eh

I associate it with the boarder.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-15/prince-harry-phone-hacking-lawsuit-ruling/103236902

Prince Harry was a victim of Mirror Group Newspapers’ exenstive phone-hacking, London High Court rules

Prince Harry has been awarded 140,600 British pounds ($268,000) after London’s High Court ruled he fell victim to a British publishing group’s extensive phone-hacking.

Honest Government Ad | Visit the UK 🇬🇧 (2024 election)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sRoYvFTE3c

sarahs mum said:

Yeah, I saw that one yesterday and it broke my irony meter.

I thought that was the whole point of Brexit.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Yeah, I saw that one yesterday and it broke my irony meter.

I thought that was the whole point of Brexit.

We want good stuff not pay for it though and no refugees please

‘You won, get over it’: Daily Express throws hissy-fit after UK excluded from EU rail project
Has Project Fear claimed the Daily Express? The pro-Brexit paper is outraged that the UK doesn’t feature in EU infrastructure projects

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‘You won, get over it’: Daily Express throws hissy-fit after UK excluded from EU rail project
Has Project Fear claimed the Daily Express? The pro-Brexit paper is outraged that the UK doesn’t feature in EU infrastructure projects. by Tom Head 2023-12-27 12:05

Photo: Flickr

Has the Daily Express ever come this close to self awareness before? The penny almost, almost dropped this week, when the publication flew into a blind rage about an EU mega-project. A new trail transport system is set to connect the continent – while excluding the UK.

New EU rail project set to connect more major cities
The paper has been a staunch supporter of Brexit, from its inception to the present day. They have lauded every imaginary benefit, while chastising those who have spoken out against the Vote Leave campaign. Opponents have been branded as ‘Project Fear’ agents.

Well, ‘Project Reality’ may have finally caught up with the Daily Express. The network, set to introduce new train services between Rome, Munich, Milan, Paris, Venice, Barcelona and Amsterdam, will also eventually expand into Scandinavia and Iberia – as highlighted by this map:

Daily Express lash out as UK not included in EU project
One place it won’t be stretching to is Brexit Island. In what should come as a shock to no-one, EU infrastructure builds only occur in countries with EU membership. That’s as clear as day to most – but the Daily Express have labelled the move as a ‘betrayal’.

Will the Daily Express reach a ‘lightbulb moment’ over Brexit?
The media outlet has spent most of the last decade pouring scorn on the trading bloc, and seems to have stopped short of reaching an epiphany here. The article hits out at the EU for ‘scheming’ against Britain, showing outright envy for the rail development.

Meanwhile, seven years after the referendum result, train services in the UK are on their knees, and the flagship HS2 project – originally meant to connect London to several northern hubs – has been decimated. Sadly for us, there are no ‘sunlit uplands’ in sight.

Polls in the UK are consistently showing a majority favour rejoining the EU.

But would the EU have them back?

party_pants said:

Polls in the UK are consistently showing a majority favour rejoining the EU.

But would the EU have them back?

There’ll be a long list of conditions.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Polls in the UK are consistently showing a majority favour rejoining the EU.

But would the EU have them back?

There’ll be a long list of conditions.

I think they might get a second tier level of membership to begin with. No rights of veto and all that.

I think the EU should have done this long ago. New members start on a secondary level, and only get full membership after say 10 or 15 years good behaviour. Countries like Hungary and Poland etc are not always playing along nicely.

party_pants said:

I think they might get a second tier level of membership to begin with. No rights of veto and all that.

And they have to have the car park spot that’s farthest from the door.

And they have to be the one who stacks the chairs after every meeting.

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think they might get a second tier level of membership to begin with. No rights of veto and all that.

And they have to have the car park spot that’s farthest from the door.

And they have to be the one who stacks the chairs after every meeting.

Yes, snd they have to clean the ashtrays even if they don’t smoke. As Witty said, a long list.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

I think they might get a second tier level of membership to begin with. No rights of veto and all that.

And they have to have the car park spot that’s farthest from the door.

And they have to be the one who stacks the chairs after every meeting.

Yes, snd they have to clean the ashtrays even if they don’t smoke. As Witty said, a long list.

The EU could allow britain back on but use it as an illegal migrant holding centre. I’d say potentially the UK could be used to hold say 100 million various migrants, terror suspects safely and humanely.

There’s a lot of polling these days on whether to rejoin the EU. The “Rejoin” vote is 15 to 16% ahead of the “Stay out” vote in all the recent polls. Kind of makes sense, given that Brexit was an unmitigated disaster and it’s costing them a trillion pounds to stay out.

OTOH rejoining is not on the agenda for any sizable party. Politically there doesn’t seem to be an easy path back. Wouldn’t surprise me if it is another decade of sliding into the morass.

dv said:

There’s a lot of polling these days on whether to rejoin the EU. The “Rejoin” vote is 15 to 16% ahead of the “Stay out” vote in all the recent polls. Kind of makes sense, given that Brexit was an unmitigated disaster and it’s costing them a trillion pounds to stay out.

OTOH rejoining is not on the agenda for any sizable party. Politically there doesn’t seem to be an easy path back. Wouldn’t surprise me if it is another decade of sliding into the morass.

Brexit always seemed to be like how to not write a fantasy novel.

The authors had already conceived of some kind of have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too ending (although a bit sketchy on details), but had no idea of what was going to get them to that part, and hoped that the people next door (who they’d spent a lot of time abusing) would write a suitable narrative for them.

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

dv said:

There’s a lot of polling these days on whether to rejoin the EU. The “Rejoin” vote is 15 to 16% ahead of the “Stay out” vote in all the recent polls. Kind of makes sense, given that Brexit was an unmitigated disaster and it’s costing them a trillion pounds to stay out.

OTOH rejoining is not on the agenda for any sizable party. Politically there doesn’t seem to be an easy path back. Wouldn’t surprise me if it is another decade of sliding into the morass.

Russia needs to promote itself to the UK, come join us comrade we can be the UKRF

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

Would Spalding Jnr. be a chip off the old block by any chance?

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

Would Spalding Jnr. be a chip off the old block by any chance?

Worse, if anything.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

Would Spalding Jnr. be a chip off the old block by any chance?

Worse, if anything.

:)

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

LOL

Love it!

:)

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

:)

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

Where did he find that? I’d love one like it.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

There’s a lot of polling these days on whether to rejoin the EU. The “Rejoin” vote is 15 to 16% ahead of the “Stay out” vote in all the recent polls. Kind of makes sense, given that Brexit was an unmitigated disaster and it’s costing them a trillion pounds to stay out.

OTOH rejoining is not on the agenda for any sizable party. Politically there doesn’t seem to be an easy path back. Wouldn’t surprise me if it is another decade of sliding into the morass.

Brexit always seemed to be like how to not write a fantasy novel.

The authors had already conceived of some kind of have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too ending (although a bit sketchy on details), but had no idea of what was going to get them to that part, and hoped that the people next door (who they’d spent a lot of time abusing) would write a suitable narrative for them.

The right honorable Sir Kier Stammer will get one of the chaps to look into it.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

Where did he find that? I’d love one like it.

Been away cleaning floors, bathrooms, toilets, dusty furniture.

Google ‘Tin-Tin Brexit T-shirt’. It seems that there are some Australian sites on Etsy that sell it.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Spalding Jr. has a T-shirt with this on it:

Where did he find that? I’d love one like it.

Been away cleaning floors, bathrooms, toilets, dusty furniture.

Google ‘Tin-Tin Brexit T-shirt’. It seems that there are some Australian sites on Etsy that sell it.

Ta.

This Post Office scandal is becoming quite a story.

Some people will need to be punished by crucifixion before it is all done.

party_pants said:

This Post Office scandal is becoming quite a story.

Some people will need to be punished by crucifixion before it is all done.

So who’s likely to be nailed to the cross?

Don’t do it, Britain, just don’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-12/britain-joins-strikes-against-houthi-rebels/103312432

Michael V said:

Don’t do it, Britain, just don’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-12/britain-joins-strikes-against-houthi-rebels/103312432

Idiots. They did it. Now what will Iran do?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-12/uk-us-strike-houthi-targets-inside-yemen-over-red-sea-attacks/103313318

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Don’t do it, Britain, just don’t.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-12/britain-joins-strikes-against-houthi-rebels/103312432

Idiots. They did it. Now what will Iran do?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-12/uk-us-strike-houthi-targets-inside-yemen-over-red-sea-attacks/103313318

Send some more Houthis out to die.

“Starmer” – Marsh Family parody adaptation of “Starman” by David Bowie about the UK Labour leader

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ReQ4Nd-JI

Northern Ireland gets its first Sinn Fein first minister in historic shift
By William Booth and Amanda Ferguson
Updated February 3, 2024 at 10:51 a.m. EST|Published February 3, 2024 at 5:30 a.m. EST

BELFAST — After two full years without a functioning government, Northern Ireland’s Parliament Buildings opened their doors on Saturday and lawmakers returned to work — and one of their first acts was to name Sinn Fein’s Michelle O’Neill as first minister.

O’Neill, 47, makes history as Northern Ireland’s first nationalist leader, from a party that wants north and south to come together, someday, as a single country.

Entering the Great Hall outside of the assembly, O’Neill was the only politician to be applauded.

After her selection as first minister, she called this a “historic day which represents a new dawn.” She added: “That such a day would ever come would have been unimaginable to my parents’ and grandparents’ generation.”

In earlier remarks to The Washington Post, O’Neill noted that the restoration of government “respects the result” of the May 2022 election — when Sinn Fein for the first time won the largest share of seats in the assembly and the right to hold the first minister job under Northern Ireland’s delicate power-sharing agreement.

She has waited two years.

To the assembly, O’Neill emphasized that she would be “a first minister for all” — including unionists and republicans, Protestants and Catholics, those who want a “united Ireland” and those who want to remain “British forever” (alongside a growing number in the middle ground).

“To all of you who are British and unionist: Your national identity, culture and traditions are important to me,” O’Neill said in her first speech. “None of us are being asked or expected to surrender who we are. Our allegiances are equally legitimate. Let’s walk this two-way street and meet one another halfway.”

Earlier this week, Mary Lou McDonald, Sinn Fein president and leader of the opposition in Ireland, declared that Irish unity was “within touching distance.”

O’Neill seems to be staying away from language like that this week, and experts say the prospect of a united Ireland remains some way off, more a medium-term project than imminent.

The Great Hall, bedecked with portraits of past leaders, many of them unionists, was filled on Saturday with journalists and politicos. It had the feel of a reunion after a long break. Big day, all agreed.

But there was also some grumbling. Naomi Long, head of the Alliance Party, described the two-year suspension of the assembly as a selfish game that failed the people.

“Two years of nonsense” was how Doug Beattie, of the non-boycotting Ulster Unionist Party put it.

But there is no doubt that the political landscape of Northern Ireland is changing.

For decades, the unionists have held the greater share of the power here — proudly declaring Northern Ireland’s status as one of the four nations of the United Kingdom, alongside England, Scotland and Wales.

It was the unionists who boycotted the government for these past two years. Overtly, their gripe was with post-Brexit trade arrangements. But many people suspected they also didn’t want to accept Sinn Fein playing a more dominant role.

And so, for 730 days, there wasn’t a functioning government at the Stormont Estate, the seat of power in Northern Ireland. No executive, no assembly — though lawmakers continued to draw two-thirds of their salaries.

The gift shop and the cafeteria remained open. Schoolchildren visited. But unelected civil servants were left to keep the lights on, while avoiding any major decisions.

A breakthrough came earlier this week, when Jeffrey Donaldson announced that his Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) had struck a deal with Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s government to tweak some of the trade and customs arrangements for goods crossing the Irish Sea.

The changes are described by Brexit experts as minor but important to the unionists, who have argued that requiring checks and customs declarations drives a wedge between Northern Ireland and the rest of Britain while drawing the north deeper into an all-Ireland economy.

Trade wasn’t a problem when Britain and Ireland were both part of the European Union. But with Brexit, negotiators had to find a way to protect the integrity of the E.U.’s market without creating a visible border on the island of Ireland that could undermine the Good Friday peace agreement, which ended 30 years of sectarian and state violence known as “the Troubles.”

Donaldson claimed a win with this week’s trade adjustments, saying they would “safeguard our place within the Union.”

The Good Friday Agreement — brokered in part by the United States — ushered in the modern age of devolved power-sharing in Northern Ireland. There is no winner-take-all here today.

Officially, there will be no difference in power between O’Neill and the new deputy first minister, Emma Little-Pengelly of the DUP. They will be coequals and co-leaders. One may shake the hand of a visiting world leader first, but they share duties.

“Like with everything in Northern Ireland, having Michelle O’Neill as first minister is mostly symbolic,” said Matthew O’Toole, a lawmaker in the assembly from the Social Democratic and Labour Party.

Then he cautioned, “Being symbolic doesn’t make it unimportant.”

Síobhra Aiken, a lecturer at Queen’s University Belfast, called O’Neill’s rise to first minister “a sea change.”

She said that with the partition of the island in 1921, “the infrastructure of Northern Ireland was specifically designed so that this would not happen. … Northern Ireland was created to have an Ulster Protestant majority.”

When Martin McGuinness, a former IRA leader turned peacemaker, became the first deputy first minister from Sinn Fein in 2007, it wasn’t uncommon for unionists to accuse him of having blood on his hands.

Now, with elections in the south next year, Aiken said, “We could soon see Sinn Fein holding power in both jurisdictions on this island.”

Belfast-based feminist historian Margaret Ward said this moment was “huge in terms of Sinn Fein’s evolution,” as well as the evolution of government in Northern Ireland.

“When I was growing up, Stormont was irrelevant, because it was a male, unionist and very middle-class establishment that didn’t have working-class people’s interests at heart — whether they were Catholics or Protestants,” she said. “Over a period of about half a century, you could count the number of women engaged in elected office on both hands.”

O’Neill’s rise has been remarkable. A Catholic from a rural county, she was a mother at 16 and has spoken often of her hardscrabble youth. Today she is savvy speaker, with a long political track record, and is all over social media — and popular with young people wanting selfies.

She comes from a deeply republican household. Her father was imprisoned for IRA membership during the Troubles and later made the transition into politics when he became a local Sinn Fein lawmaker. Her uncle was a president of Noraid, a republican fundraising group active in the United States, which the U.S. government accused of funneling money to buy IRA guns. Noraid leaders have denied that.

To Jim Allister, the sole member of the legislative assembly from the Traditional Unionist Voice party, O’Neill hasn’t sufficiently distanced herself from IRA violence. After condemning this week’s tweaked trade deal by his fellow unionists as “nothing but spin and hype,” he told The Post that he would return to the assembly on Saturday but that he opposed the choice for first minister.

“Michelle O’Neill is a lady who told the people of Northern Ireland that there was no alternative to the butchery and genocide of the IRA. She justifies those acts,” he said. “So I think she is wholly unworthy to hold this high office, or any democratic office, if she thinks it was right and necessary to murder and to butcher innocent people.”

In 2022, O’Neill was asked by the BBC about the IRA violence during the Troubles.

“I don’t think any Irish person ever woke up one morning and thought that conflict was a good idea, but the war came to Ireland,” she said.

She continued: “I think at the time there was no alternative, but now, thankfully, we have an alternative to conflict and that’s the Good Friday Agreement.”

On Saturday, in her speech to the assembly, O’Neill said: “I am sorry for all the lives lost during the conflict. Without exception.” She added: “I will never ask anyone to ‘move on,’ but I do hope that we can ‘move forward.’”

Alex Maskey, 72, retired on Saturday after having served as speaker of the Northern Ireland Assembly since 2020. He was also the first member of Sinn Fein to serve as lord mayor of Belfast, from 2002 to 2003.

“The symbolism of Michelle O’Neill as the first republican first minister will not be lost on a lot of people. For me, that’s a positive thing,” Maskey said.

Maskey said he still hopes to someday live in a united Ireland.

“I want to have the dignity of my own political destination, and the sovereignty of my country,” he said. “I’m working on the premise that I will see that ushered in.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/03/northern-ireland-sinn-fein-michelle-oneill/?

Brexit Wipes Out UK’s BIGGEST Steelworks. Decimates Wales. Media Covered It Up.

Why is the Port Talbot steelworks really closing its blast furnaces at the cost of 3000 jobs? Is it because of net zero green policies, like the right wing media says? Byline TV’s Caolan Robertson went to Port Talbot and spoke to locals, steelworkers, economists and politicians to expose the truth about the end of British steel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldOPtFgA31I

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/15/economy/britain-falls-into-recession/index.html

London
CNN —
The United Kingdom has slipped into recession just months ahead of a general election, official figures showed Thursday, derailing Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s pledge to generate economic growth.

Gross domestic product fell 0.3% in the final three months of 2023, following a 0.1% contraction in the July-to-September period, the Office for National Statistics said. A recession is commonly defined as two consecutive quarters of contraction.

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/15/economy/britain-falls-into-recession/index.html

London
CNN —
The United Kingdom has slipped into recession just months ahead of a general election, official figures showed Thursday, derailing Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s pledge to generate economic growth.

Gross domestic product fell 0.3% in the final three months of 2023, following a 0.1% contraction in the July-to-September period, the Office for National Statistics said. A recession is commonly defined as two consecutive quarters of contraction.

Its a country that accepts millions of illegal migrants

Not too long before the end now

wookiemeister said:

dv said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/15/economy/britain-falls-into-recession/index.html

London
CNN —
The United Kingdom has slipped into recession just months ahead of a general election, official figures showed Thursday, derailing Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s pledge to generate economic growth.

Gross domestic product fell 0.3% in the final three months of 2023, following a 0.1% contraction in the July-to-September period, the Office for National Statistics said. A recession is commonly defined as two consecutive quarters of contraction.

Its a country that accepts millions of illegal migrants

Not too long before the end now

Be sure to keep us posted since I’m sure we might miss the zombie apocalypse without your insights.

Recession Hits.

Jonathan Pie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MG_8gALko

Can you imagine, in 2024, thinking that the Tories still have something to say about governance that’s worth listening to, let alone buying in hardback form.

dv said:

Can you imagine, in 2024, thinking that the Tories still have something to say about governance that’s worth listening to, let alone buying in hardback form.

OK, this one is definitely satire, right?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Can you imagine, in 2024, thinking that the Tories still have something to say about governance that’s worth listening to, let alone buying in hardback form.

OK, this one is definitely satire, right?

Damn. wrong again.

https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/ten-years-to-save-the-west

dv said:

Can you imagine, in 2024, thinking that the Tories still have something to say about governance that’s worth listening to, let alone buying in hardback form.

Socialism went out the door with Corbin.
We now have a proper chap leading the Labor party, a Knight of the Relm. Sir Kier Stanmer will steady the ship and with the help of the King and the chaps will lead Britain to a sun lit upland.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Can you imagine, in 2024, thinking that the Tories still have something to say about governance that’s worth listening to, let alone buying in hardback form.

OK, this one is definitely satire, right?

https://www.amazon.com.au/Ten-Years-Save-West-Truss/dp/1684515513

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Can you imagine, in 2024, thinking that the Tories still have something to say about governance that’s worth listening to, let alone buying in hardback form.

Socialism went out the door with Corbin.
We now have a proper chap leading the Labor party, a Knight of the Relm. Sir Kier Stanmer will steady the ship and with the help of the King and the chaps will lead Britain to a sun lit upland.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Indian chap gets sent to Rawnda.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Can you imagine, in 2024, thinking that the Tories still have something to say about governance that’s worth listening to, let alone buying in hardback form.

Socialism went out the door with Corbin.
We now have a proper chap leading the Labor party, a Knight of the Relm. Sir Kier Stanmer will steady the ship and with the help of the King and the chaps will lead Britain to a sun lit upland.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Indian chap gets sent to Rawnda.

I’m wondering about who Boris is talking about when he refers to ‘us’.

Sylvester McCoy

There seems to be a major disconnect on the topic of Israel between the British political class and actual Jewish Britons.

The government seeks to redefine extremism as a pretext for cracking down on dissent, saying that London has become a no-go zones for Jewish people during the protests calling for a ceasefire. But the protests themselves involve thousand of Jewish people, Jewish people are prominent organisers.

Here’s how Jewish British people respond to the rhetoric.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/09/authoritarians-once-again-creating-fear-as-pretext-for-suppressing-right-to-protest
London a no-go zone for Jews? Such harmful rhetoric just doesn’t reflect my experience

Jonathan Glazer, who won the Oscar today for Best International Feature, used his speech time to say:
“Our film shows where dehumanization leads at its worst. It’s shaped all of our past and present. Right now we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people.”

dv said:

Kate has fussed up to it.

dv said:

jesus, such pettiness.

eagerly awaits Andrew Bolt’s take

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Kate has fussed up to it.

So a family member has modified a family photo before issuing it for release to the adoring public?

How dare she?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Kate has fussed up to it.

So a family member has modified a family photo before issuing it for release to the adoring public?

How dare she?

I think the daughter was giving a white power hand signal and that’s why they altered it.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Kate has fussed up to it.

So a family member has modified a family photo before issuing it for release to the adoring public?

How dare she?

Has the straight white future prime minister and Knight of the Relm commented yet.

dv said:

“Celebrity Alters Image”

It’s funny to me that this is actual news..

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

jesus, such pettiness.

Prolly doesn’t matter much in this case but I can understand a news outlet having stringent rules in this regard

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

jesus, such pettiness.

Prolly doesn’t matter much in this case but I can understand a news outlet having stringent rules in this regard

+1

dv said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

jesus, such pettiness.

Prolly doesn’t matter much in this case but I can understand a news outlet having stringent rules in this regard

Especially as the UK press is beyond reproach

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

jesus, such pettiness.

English press making the news of which they are expert.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

jesus, such pettiness.

English press making the news of which they are expert.

They are all very Fleet.

PermeateFree said:

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

jesus, such pettiness.

English press making the news of which they are expert.

Yeah I mean I don’t care for the Royals but gee they have to apologise for being human and can’t tell people to f off

On one hand, under normal circumstances, a prominent person releasing a family photo with some Gimp fixes would not normally be considered newsworthy.

OTOH … the Family and their minders can scarcely be unaware that the Princess of Wales’s absence from the public eye for three months has learn to concern and conspiracy theories and that releasing a pic with obvious edits was adding fuel to that fire. It would probably have been better to release nothing and say, quite reasonably, that following her major surgery Catherine wants some time out of the spotlight.

dv said:

On one hand, under normal circumstances, a prominent person releasing a family photo with some Gimp fixes would not normally be considered newsworthy.

OTOH … the Family and their minders can scarcely be unaware that the Princess of Wales’s absence from the public eye for three months has learn to concern and conspiracy theories and that releasing a pic with obvious edits was adding fuel to that fire. It would probably have been better to release nothing and say, quite reasonably, that following her major surgery Catherine wants some time out of the spotlight.

I’m reasonably sure that you know that none of this would have been a blip on my perspective of the week’s forthcomings.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

On one hand, under normal circumstances, a prominent person releasing a family photo with some Gimp fixes would not normally be considered newsworthy.

OTOH … the Family and their minders can scarcely be unaware that the Princess of Wales’s absence from the public eye for three months has learn to concern and conspiracy theories and that releasing a pic with obvious edits was adding fuel to that fire. It would probably have been better to release nothing and say, quite reasonably, that following her major surgery Catherine wants some time out of the spotlight.

I’m reasonably sure that you know that none of this would have been a blip on my perspective of the week’s forthcomings.

Hard to say, you’re a mysterious man

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

On one hand, under normal circumstances, a prominent person releasing a family photo with some Gimp fixes would not normally be considered newsworthy.

OTOH … the Family and their minders can scarcely be unaware that the Princess of Wales’s absence from the public eye for three months has learn to concern and conspiracy theories and that releasing a pic with obvious edits was adding fuel to that fire. It would probably have been better to release nothing and say, quite reasonably, that following her major surgery Catherine wants some time out of the spotlight.

I’m reasonably sure that you know that none of this would have been a blip on my perspective of the week’s forthcomings.

Hard to say, you’re a mysterious man

No I am not. The problem is that nobody has picked it yet.

Sorry forgot link if any of yous want to support by adding views / likes / reposts / replies / relinks.

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1775882749921911191

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/smoking-ban-bill-passed-mps-2024a10007du?ecd=wnl_tp10_daily_240417_MSCPEDIT_etid6449276&uac=86944CZ&impID=6449276&sso=true

The UK has moved a step closer to creating a smoke-free generation after the House of Commons backed a government bill to make it illegal for anyone born in 2009 or later to buy tobacco.

MPs voted by 383 to 67 in favour of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, which would make it an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after 1 January 2009. The move would effectively mean that anyone turning 15 years old this year would never be able to legally buy cigarettes.

The legislation was voted against by 57 Conservative MPs after the party offered a free vote on the matter. The bill could still be amended in the House of Lords and during later sessions in the Commons, but with official Labour backing it has time to become law before an expected general election this autumn.

Opposition was led by former Conservative prime minister, Liz Truss, who said she was concerned that the policy was “emblematic of a technocratic establishment in this country that wants to limit people’s freedom”. She said : “We are seeing, not just on tobacco but on sugar, alcohol, and meat, a group of people who want to push an agenda which is about limiting personal freedom.”

Nice work there by Liz. I didn’t realize she was still around.

OCDC said:

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/smoking-ban-bill-passed-mps-2024a10007du?ecd=wnl_tp10_daily_240417_MSCPEDIT_etid6449276&uac=86944CZ&impID=6449276&sso=true

The UK has moved a step closer to creating a smoke-free generation after the House of Commons backed a government bill to make it illegal for anyone born in 2009 or later to buy tobacco.

MPs voted by 383 to 67 in favour of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, which would make it an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after 1 January 2009. The move would effectively mean that anyone turning 15 years old this year would never be able to legally buy cigarettes.

The legislation was voted against by 57 Conservative MPs after the party offered a free vote on the matter. The bill could still be amended in the House of Lords and during later sessions in the Commons, but with official Labour backing it has time to become law before an expected general election this autumn.

Opposition was led by former Conservative prime minister, Liz Truss, who said she was concerned that the policy was “emblematic of a technocratic establishment in this country that wants to limit people’s freedom”. She said : “We are seeing, not just on tobacco but on sugar, alcohol, and meat, a group of people who want to push an agenda which is about limiting personal freedom.”

Nice work there by Liz. I didn’t realize she was still around.

If Liz had her way, it’d be like ‘the old days’ that you read about in Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christies and similar.

Where you could go to the apothecary or the iron monger, and buy opium/laudanum over the counter, or purchase a useful quantity of potassium cyanide ‘for dealing with wasps’, or arsenic for making up face powders or killing rats, and where a ‘gentleman’ having a revolver (no license needed) was unquestioned (but, of course, ruffians having them was a frightful prospect).

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/smoking-ban-bill-passed-mps-2024a10007du?ecd=wnl_tp10_daily_240417_MSCPEDIT_etid6449276&uac=86944CZ&impID=6449276&sso=true

The UK has moved a step closer to creating a smoke-free generation after the House of Commons backed a government bill to make it illegal for anyone born in 2009 or later to buy tobacco.

MPs voted by 383 to 67 in favour of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, which would make it an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after 1 January 2009. The move would effectively mean that anyone turning 15 years old this year would never be able to legally buy cigarettes.

The legislation was voted against by 57 Conservative MPs after the party offered a free vote on the matter. The bill could still be amended in the House of Lords and during later sessions in the Commons, but with official Labour backing it has time to become law before an expected general election this autumn.

Opposition was led by former Conservative prime minister, Liz Truss, who said she was concerned that the policy was “emblematic of a technocratic establishment in this country that wants to limit people’s freedom”. She said : “We are seeing, not just on tobacco but on sugar, alcohol, and meat, a group of people who want to push an agenda which is about limiting personal freedom.”

Nice work there by Liz. I didn’t realize she was still around.

If Liz had her way, it’d be like ‘the old days’ that you read about in Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christies and similar.

Where you could go to the apothecary or the iron monger, and buy opium/laudanum over the counter, or purchase a useful quantity of potassium cyanide ‘for dealing with wasps’, or arsenic for making up face powders or killing rats, and where a ‘gentleman’ having a revolver (no license needed) was unquestioned (but, of course, ruffians having them was a frightful prospect).

Don’t take too much notice of the house of commons they are representative swill, the house of Lords is where it’s at.

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/smoking-ban-bill-passed-mps-2024a10007du?ecd=wnl_tp10_daily_240417_MSCPEDIT_etid6449276&uac=86944CZ&impID=6449276&sso=true

The UK has moved a step closer to creating a smoke-free generation after the House of Commons backed a government bill to make it illegal for anyone born in 2009 or later to buy tobacco.

MPs voted by 383 to 67 in favour of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, which would make it an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after 1 January 2009. The move would effectively mean that anyone turning 15 years old this year would never be able to legally buy cigarettes.

The legislation was voted against by 57 Conservative MPs after the party offered a free vote on the matter. The bill could still be amended in the House of Lords and during later sessions in the Commons, but with official Labour backing it has time to become law before an expected general election this autumn.

Opposition was led by former Conservative prime minister, Liz Truss, who said she was concerned that the policy was “emblematic of a technocratic establishment in this country that wants to limit people’s freedom”. She said : “We are seeing, not just on tobacco but on sugar, alcohol, and meat, a group of people who want to push an agenda which is about limiting personal freedom.”

Nice work there by Liz. I didn’t realize she was still around.

If Liz had her way, it’d be like ‘the old days’ that you read about in Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christies and similar.

Where you could go to the apothecary or the iron monger, and buy opium/laudanum over the counter, or purchase a useful quantity of potassium cyanide ‘for dealing with wasps’, or arsenic for making up face powders or killing rats, and where a ‘gentleman’ having a revolver (no license needed) was unquestioned (but, of course, ruffians having them was a frightful prospect).

So the UK to become the US ah.

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/smoking-ban-bill-passed-mps-2024a10007du?ecd=wnl_tp10_daily_240417_MSCPEDIT_etid6449276&uac=86944CZ&impID=6449276&sso=true

The UK has moved a step closer to creating a smoke-free generation after the House of Commons backed a government bill to make it illegal for anyone born in 2009 or later to buy tobacco.

MPs voted by 383 to 67 in favour of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, which would make it an offence to sell tobacco products to anyone born after 1 January 2009. The move would effectively mean that anyone turning 15 years old this year would never be able to legally buy cigarettes.

The legislation was voted against by 57 Conservative MPs after the party offered a free vote on the matter. The bill could still be amended in the House of Lords and during later sessions in the Commons, but with official Labour backing it has time to become law before an expected general election this autumn.

Opposition was led by former Conservative prime minister, Liz Truss, who said she was concerned that the policy was “emblematic of a technocratic establishment in this country that wants to limit people’s freedom”. She said : “We are seeing, not just on tobacco but on sugar, alcohol, and meat, a group of people who want to push an agenda which is about limiting personal freedom.”

Nice work there by Liz. I didn’t realize she was still around.

If Liz had her way, it’d be like ‘the old days’ that you read about in Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christies and similar.

Where you could go to the apothecary or the iron monger, and buy opium/laudanum over the counter, or purchase a useful quantity of potassium cyanide ‘for dealing with wasps’, or arsenic for making up face powders or killing rats, and where a ‘gentleman’ having a revolver (no license needed) was unquestioned (but, of course, ruffians having them was a frightful prospect).

So the UK to become the US ah.

Charles’s popularity has improved since he became King

dv said:

Charles’s popularity has improved since he became King

Also, he’s been notably quiet and out of public view, what with his illness and all.

Seems like the more he keeps his yap shut and stays out of the way, the more people like him.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Charles’s popularity has improved since he became King

Also, he’s been notably quiet and out of public view, what with his illness and all.

Seems like the more he keeps his yap shut and stays out of the way, the more people like him.

So like all monarchs, the more hidden they are behind wooden doors and draped fabrics and layers of terrain, the happier people will be with it all¿

dv said:

popularity has improved

WTF

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

popularity has improved

WTF

It’s not that Labour has done anything to increase its popularity, or the perception that they’d be a better government.

It that the Tories seem to have determinedly pursued a path to decrease their popularity, and to demonstrate that they’re by far the worst choice to govern.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

popularity has improved

WTF

It’s not that Labour has done anything to increase its popularity, or the perception that they’d be a better government.

It that the Tories seem to have determinedly pursued a path to decrease their popularity, and to demonstrate that they’re by far the worst choice to govern.

They’ve got a fine leader, a knight of the realm and one of the chaps, unlike the previous bolshie bloke who got thumped at the polls.

SCIENCE said:

WTF

Charles is a Labour man anyway.

This effectively means they’ve lost a vote since the monarch is expected not to vote.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Charles’s popularity has improved since he became King

Also, he’s been notably quiet and out of public view, what with his illness and all.

Seems like the more he keeps his yap shut and stays out of the way, the more people like him.

Might also be that many of his critics have fucked off to the Colonies.

We don’t really get it but hey some thought it funny.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/fourteen-years-of-tory-rule-have-left-britain-a-lazy-mess/

dv said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/fourteen-years-of-tory-rule-have-left-britain-a-lazy-mess/

Diseased and suicidal poor, staggering to the food bank: “Yeah, what a left-wing mess! shakes fist at Tory Marxists!”

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

oh wait oh shit oh no when we learnt about that stuff at school it was supposed to be interpreted as a jab at communism and authoritarianism and something dangerous from Russia and CHINA and oh fuck

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/fourteen-years-of-tory-rule-have-left-britain-a-lazy-mess/

Diseased and suicidal poor, staggering to the food bank: “Yeah, what a left-wing mess! shakes fist at Tory Marxists!”

How could it possibly be worse?

JEHOVAH. JEHOVAH, JEHOVAH ….

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

It’s more prestigious than merely being wealthy?

Witty Rejoinder said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

It’s more prestigious than merely being wealthy?

And you can do good and help your fallow man.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

Also, they’re taught from a young age that it’s their duty to rub the noses of the peasantry in their own poverty. How else will they learn the folly of being poor, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and make their own way in the world? While still knowing their place, of course.

Thatcher brought the attitude out into the open and legitimised it, and it’s been the Tories’ overt policy and practice ever since.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

But just think of all that wealth, obviously it’s a mark of skilled management and leadership, making these the most appropriate and optimal premiers of the nations, they will enrich the country¡

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

But just think of all that wealth, obviously it’s a mark of skilled management and leadership, making these the most appropriate and optimal premiers of the nations, they will enrich the country¡

you try telling the poor that and they won’t believe you!

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

maybe they believe that the country would benefit from their leadership

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

I find it hard to believe that any individual would enter politics with this as their motivation – this may well be the outcome of certain policies they enact, but I very much doubt that it was the motivation.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

Also, they’re taught from a young age that it’s their duty to rub the noses of the peasantry in their own poverty. How else will they learn the folly of being poor, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and make their own way in the world? While still knowing their place, of course.

Thatcher brought the attitude out into the open and legitimised it, and it’s been the Tories’ overt policy and practice ever since.

Sunak came from a relatively humble upbringing – his wealth was largely attained through marriage.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

I have read similar views from British pages.

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

Also, they’re taught from a young age that it’s their duty to rub the noses of the peasantry in their own poverty. How else will they learn the folly of being poor, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and make their own way in the world? While still knowing their place, of course.

Thatcher brought the attitude out into the open and legitimised it, and it’s been the Tories’ overt policy and practice ever since.

Sunak came from a relatively humble upbringing – his wealth was largely attained through marriage.

Converts often preach louder than those born into the faith.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

Also, they’re taught from a young age that it’s their duty to rub the noses of the peasantry in their own poverty. How else will they learn the folly of being poor, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and make their own way in the world? While still knowing their place, of course.

Thatcher brought the attitude out into the open and legitimised it, and it’s been the Tories’ overt policy and practice ever since.

Sunak came from a relatively humble upbringing – his wealth was largely attained through marriage.

Converts often preach louder than those born into the faith.

His father was a GP and his mother a pharmacist, that said he did read politics at Oxford and gained a masters degree at Stamford. He was working as an investment banked at Goldman Sachs when he met his wife after which he worked in executive and non-executive roles in several of his father-in-law’s businesses.

I find it bit trite to simply slag someone off as a reverse Robin Hood because they are wealthy.

That said, I’m no fan of the policies of the Tories, but even in that he’s no Robinson Crusoe.

I’d just add that the Tories have held government in Britton since 2010, so they can be that unpopular.

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

Sunak came from a relatively humble upbringing – his wealth was largely attained through marriage.

Converts often preach louder than those born into the faith.

His father was a GP and his mother a pharmacist, that said he did read politics at Oxford and gained a masters degree at Stamford. He was working as an investment banked at Goldman Sachs when he met his wife after which he worked in executive and non-executive roles in several of his father-in-law’s businesses.

I find it bit trite to simply slag someone off as a reverse Robin Hood because they are wealthy.

That said, I’m no fan of the policies of the Tories, but even in that he’s no Robinson Crusoe.

Thatcher was a grocer’s daughter, and her contempt for ‘the lower classes’ was entirely obvious, and had a great deal to do with her policies which did so much to damage Britain in the 1980s.

However, you may be right, and i may judge Rishi too harshly. His failing may be just that of the new boy, out to impress the ‘old hands’ at the game with his zeal and tenacity for the cause.

diddly-squat said:

I’d just add that the Tories have held government in Britton since 2010, so they can be that unpopular.

(Shrugs) with FPTP they can coast through even if about 60% of the population think they are the worst party

Right now though they are polling at about 24% which won’t be enough to get them through. Still, the election could be 9 months off.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

Converts often preach louder than those born into the faith.

His father was a GP and his mother a pharmacist, that said he did read politics at Oxford and gained a masters degree at Stamford. He was working as an investment banked at Goldman Sachs when he met his wife after which he worked in executive and non-executive roles in several of his father-in-law’s businesses.

I find it bit trite to simply slag someone off as a reverse Robin Hood because they are wealthy.

That said, I’m no fan of the policies of the Tories, but even in that he’s no Robinson Crusoe.

Thatcher was a grocer’s daughter, and her contempt for ‘the lower classes’ was entirely obvious, and had a great deal to do with her policies which did so much to damage Britain in the 1980s.

However, you may be right, and i may judge Rishi too harshly. His failing may be just that of the new boy, out to impress the ‘old hands’ at the game with his zeal and tenacity for the cause.

Grocer’s daughter? Napoleon supposedly said Britain was a nation of shop-keepers and they’ve never been too keen on the workers and their troubles.

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

I’d just add that the Tories have held government in Britton since 2010, so they can be that unpopular.

(Shrugs) with FPTP they can coast through even if about 60% of the population think they are the worst party

Right now though they are polling at about 24% which won’t be enough to get them through. Still, the election could be 9 months off.

It’s the problem with current-day political parties and modern democracy: we tend to not vote for the party which we think will do the best for our country, but for the party which we think is likely to do it the least harm in the next few years.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

Converts often preach louder than those born into the faith.

His father was a GP and his mother a pharmacist, that said he did read politics at Oxford and gained a masters degree at Stamford. He was working as an investment banked at Goldman Sachs when he met his wife after which he worked in executive and non-executive roles in several of his father-in-law’s businesses.

I find it bit trite to simply slag someone off as a reverse Robin Hood because they are wealthy.

That said, I’m no fan of the policies of the Tories, but even in that he’s no Robinson Crusoe.

Thatcher was a grocer’s daughter, and her contempt for ‘the lower classes’ was entirely obvious, and had a great deal to do with her policies which did so much to damage Britain in the 1980s.

However, you may be right, and i may judge Rishi too harshly. His failing may be just that of the new boy, out to impress the ‘old hands’ at the game with his zeal and tenacity for the cause.

Thatcher was an conservative ideologue – in a lot of ways ScoMo reminds me of her – she enacted a policy platform aimed squarely at addressing rising inflation in the economy as well as combatting the power of trade unions.

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

His father was a GP and his mother a pharmacist, that said he did read politics at Oxford and gained a masters degree at Stamford. He was working as an investment banked at Goldman Sachs when he met his wife after which he worked in executive and non-executive roles in several of his father-in-law’s businesses.

I find it bit trite to simply slag someone off as a reverse Robin Hood because they are wealthy.

That said, I’m no fan of the policies of the Tories, but even in that he’s no Robinson Crusoe.

Thatcher was a grocer’s daughter, and her contempt for ‘the lower classes’ was entirely obvious, and had a great deal to do with her policies which did so much to damage Britain in the 1980s.

However, you may be right, and i may judge Rishi too harshly. His failing may be just that of the new boy, out to impress the ‘old hands’ at the game with his zeal and tenacity for the cause.

Thatcher was an conservative ideologue – in a lot of ways ScoMo reminds me of her – she enacted a policy platform aimed squarely at addressing rising inflation in the economy as well as combatting the power of trade unions.

She did recognise inflation as a serious problem, which required strong action.

She was also determined that the people who had money were not going to be the ones who felt the effects of the strong action.

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

I’d just add that the Tories have held government in Britton since 2010, so they can be that unpopular.

(Shrugs) with FPTP they can coast through even if about 60% of the population think they are the worst party

Right now though they are polling at about 24% which won’t be enough to get them through. Still, the election could be 9 months off.

I used to work with a undermanager that would say “you can only fuck with the cock that you got”.. it’s no fault of the tories that the UK has a FPtP system (so while they may not hold a majority they have held a plurality for a very long time) and the the left of centre parties couldn’t organise piss-up in a brewery.

Probably more the problem is people vote for teams instead of actions, or stop this sentence twelve words earlier.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

I’d just add that the Tories have held government in Britton since 2010, so they can be that unpopular.

(Shrugs) with FPTP they can coast through even if about 60% of the population think they are the worst party

Right now though they are polling at about 24% which won’t be enough to get them through. Still, the election could be 9 months off.

I used to work with a undermanager that would say “you can only fuck with the cock that you got”.. it’s no fault of the tories that the UK has a FPtP system (so while they may not hold a majority they have held a plurality for a very long time) and the the left of centre parties couldn’t organise piss-up in a brewery.

British Labour does have the same critical failing as does our own Labor party: you can always count on it to turn on itself at the worst possible times.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

I’d just add that the Tories have held government in Britton since 2010, so they can be that unpopular.

(Shrugs) with FPTP they can coast through even if about 60% of the population think they are the worst party

Right now though they are polling at about 24% which won’t be enough to get them through. Still, the election could be 9 months off.

I used to work with a undermanager that would say “you can only fuck with the cock that you got”.. it’s no fault of the tories that the UK has a FPtP system (so while they may not hold a majority they have held a plurality for a very long time) and the the left of centre parties couldn’t organise piss-up in a brewery.

You misunderstand me. You suggest that they can’t be unpopular since they have been in power for 14 years. I point out they can be really unpopular and stay in power thanks to fptp. I’m not saying it is a fault of theirs.

Labour not putting its full weight behind the 2011 referendum was serious stupidity.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

(Shrugs) with FPTP they can coast through even if about 60% of the population think they are the worst party

Right now though they are polling at about 24% which won’t be enough to get them through. Still, the election could be 9 months off.

I used to work with a undermanager that would say “you can only fuck with the cock that you got”.. it’s no fault of the tories that the UK has a FPtP system (so while they may not hold a majority they have held a plurality for a very long time) and the the left of centre parties couldn’t organise piss-up in a brewery.

British Labour does have the same critical failing as does our own Labor party: you can always count on it to turn on itself at the worst possible times.

it’s not just that.. the big problem the centre left parties in the UK have is that they can’t build a coalition from their constitutes and as such they will continue to cannibalise each other.

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

(Shrugs) with FPTP they can coast through even if about 60% of the population think they are the worst party

Right now though they are polling at about 24% which won’t be enough to get them through. Still, the election could be 9 months off.

I used to work with a undermanager that would say “you can only fuck with the cock that you got”.. it’s no fault of the tories that the UK has a FPtP system (so while they may not hold a majority they have held a plurality for a very long time) and the the left of centre parties couldn’t organise piss-up in a brewery.

You misunderstand me. You suggest that they can’t be unpopular since they have been in power for 14 years. I point out they can be really unpopular and stay in power thanks to fptp. I’m not saying it is a fault of theirs.

Labour not putting its full weight behind the 2011 referendum was serious stupidity.

No I understand… that fact is they have successfully maintained being winner of the least unpopular contest. so on a head-to-head basis they are the most popular party (or at least historically).. we’ll see what happens in Jan

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

why does a person worth that much want to be PM?

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

I find it hard to believe that any individual would enter politics with this as their motivation – this may well be the outcome of certain policies they enact, but I very much doubt that it was the motivation.

LOL

SCIENCE said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Surprising though it seems, some people are never content with what they have. If they have 1 billion, they need 2 billion. Being PM gives him a rare platform to change the laws to accelerate the movement of money from working people to the idle wealthy in a way that will reward him and his family for years ahead.

I find it hard to believe that any individual would enter politics with this as their motivation – this may well be the outcome of certain policies they enact, but I very much doubt that it was the motivation.

LOL

Quite. LOL indeed.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

diddly-squat said:

I find it hard to believe that any individual would enter politics with this as their motivation – this may well be the outcome of certain policies they enact, but I very much doubt that it was the motivation.

LOL

Quite. LOL indeed.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

call me an optimist

I told youse

Britain’s King Charles III will resume public duties next week following “a period of treatment and recuperation,” Buckingham Palace announced Friday, two months after revealing that he was being treated for cancer.

dv said:

I told youse

Britain’s King Charles III will resume public duties next week following “a period of treatment and recuperation,” Buckingham Palace announced Friday, two months after revealing that he was being treated for cancer.

Perhaps i should also resume my public duties, after my own cancer treatment.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

I told youse

Britain’s King Charles III will resume public duties next week following “a period of treatment and recuperation,” Buckingham Palace announced Friday, two months after revealing that he was being treated for cancer.

Perhaps i should also resume my public duties, after my own cancer treatment.

I tried but hauling a hose around at bushfires was a bit too much for me.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

I told youse

Britain’s King Charles III will resume public duties next week following “a period of treatment and recuperation,” Buckingham Palace announced Friday, two months after revealing that he was being treated for cancer.

Perhaps i should also resume my public duties, after my own cancer treatment.

Time to hand on.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

I told youse

Britain’s King Charles III will resume public duties next week following “a period of treatment and recuperation,” Buckingham Palace announced Friday, two months after revealing that he was being treated for cancer.

Perhaps i should also resume my public duties, after my own cancer treatment.

Is the treatment going well?

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

I told youse

Britain’s King Charles III will resume public duties next week following “a period of treatment and recuperation,” Buckingham Palace announced Friday, two months after revealing that he was being treated for cancer.

Perhaps i should also resume my public duties, after my own cancer treatment.

Is the treatment going well?

Over and done back in December. Check up since then show PSA levels back into ‘normal’ range, no side- or after-effects.

This is what worries me. It’s going too well.

dv said:

I told youse

Britain’s King Charles III will resume public duties next week following “a period of treatment and recuperation,” Buckingham Palace announced Friday, two months after revealing that he was being treated for cancer.

Could be his exit strategy.

dv said:

Lol. Half of those sales are probably media pundits who bought the book to ridicule it in their next column.

SCIENCE said:

I think the handcuffs are for not repairing the fence, not sure though.

Discontent Advisory

SCIENCE said:

Discontent Advisory

Sounds like a top bloke :/

SCIENCE said:

Discontent Advisory

Liddle the diddle

And How The 餐桌转盘

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/china-s-ambassador-summoned-by-uk-after-men-charged-with-spying-for-hong-kong-20240515-p5jdod.html

Bold move for the official portrait to show the King on fire

The former home secretary Suella Braverman acted unlawfully in making it easier for the police to criminalise peaceful protests, the high court has ruled.

She was found to have both acted outside her powers and to have failed to consult properly over regulations that would be likely to increase prosecutions of protesters by a third.

Hundreds of protesters have been arrested since the government redefined the sort of protest that could be restricted by the police, allowing it where there is merely a “more than minor” hindrance to people’s daily lives.

Those prosecuted included the climate activist Greta Thunberg, who was acquitted of all charges in a hearing in February 2024.

In their judgment, Lord Justice Green and Mr Justice Kerr said the government had overreached in defining “serious disruption” as merely “more than minor” and that it had been wrong to consult only with law enforcement agencies about the repercussions of the change.

The Home Office said it would appeal against the ruling. The high court has suspended the reversal of the measures until after the outcome of the appeal.

Shortly before her resignation last year, Braverman used so-called Henry VIII powers to lower the threshold for the police to impose restrictions on protests.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/21/new-police-powers-for-protests-unlawful-high-court-rules

dv said:

The former home secretary Suella Braverman acted unlawfully in making it easier for the police to criminalise peaceful protests, the high court has ruled.

She was found to have both acted outside her powers and to have failed to consult properly over regulations that would be likely to increase prosecutions of protesters by a third.

Hundreds of protesters have been arrested since the government redefined the sort of protest that could be restricted by the police, allowing it where there is merely a “more than minor” hindrance to people’s daily lives.

Those prosecuted included the climate activist Greta Thunberg, who was acquitted of all charges in a hearing in February 2024.

In their judgment, Lord Justice Green and Mr Justice Kerr said the government had overreached in defining “serious disruption” as merely “more than minor” and that it had been wrong to consult only with law enforcement agencies about the repercussions of the change.

The Home Office said it would appeal against the ruling. The high court has suspended the reversal of the measures until after the outcome of the appeal.

Shortly before her resignation last year, Braverman used so-called Henry VIII powers to lower the threshold for the police to impose restrictions on protests.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/21/new-police-powers-for-protests-unlawful-high-court-rules

Oh, well, there you go, who’d have thought it, she broke the law, violated the statutes and all that, well, well, well, no repercussions for her, of course, no, goodness me, no, it’s not like she committed an illegal act or anything.

Is it?

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

good

We mean if you make the place sufficiently shit

In recent months, Sunak has been laser-focused on passing his controversial immigration policy to deport asylum seekers to the east African country of Rwanda.

The idea to “Stop the Boats” may have started under Boris Johnson and echoes Australia’s own immigration policy, but Sunak has made it the centrepiece of his election campaign.

then you won’t have to worry about people actually wanting to come over will you¿

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

The choice is stark, the Indian gentleman or a Knight of the Relm one of the chaps.

Peak Warming Man said:

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

The choice is stark, the Indian gentleman or a Knight of the Relm one of the chaps.

They did choose a woman once what a disaster that was, she used to go on and on about climate change and how the world had to act now……….on and on she’d go.

Peak Warming Man said:

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

The choice is stark, the Indian gentleman or a Knight of the Relm one of the chaps.

I see the opposition bloke is a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, no less.

Should be a good person to clear up the mess left by the current crowd.

(His TATE page is worth a look as well).

>>I see the opposition bloke is a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, no less.

Phoaw

Peak Warming Man said:

>>I see the opposition bloke is a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, no less.

Phoaw

How often does he order a bath?

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>I see the opposition bloke is a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, no less.

Phoaw

How often does he order a bath?

Twice a year.

Whether he needs it or not.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>I see the opposition bloke is a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, no less.

Phoaw

How often does he order a bath?

Twice a year.

Whether he needs it or not.

Looxury.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

>>I see the opposition bloke is a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, no less.

Phoaw

How often does he order a bath?

Twice a year.

Whether he needs it or not.

Trouble is, he takes them on two consecutive Saturdays.

Peak Warming Man said:

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

The choice is stark, the Indian gentleman or a Knight of the Relm one of the chaps.

I’m pretty sure Rishi Sunak is a Brit – I mean he was born in Southampton after all…

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

The choice is stark, the Indian gentleman or a Knight of the Relm one of the chaps.

I’m pretty sure Rishi Sunak is a Brit – I mean he was born in Southampton after all…

He may be, or he may not be. I don’t know.

The UK has ‘restricted citizenship by birth’.

A person is a citizen there, provided that one parent is a citizen or legally settled in the country, or if the child has lived there for 10 years.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The choice is stark, the Indian gentleman or a Knight of the Relm one of the chaps.

I’m pretty sure Rishi Sunak is a Brit – I mean he was born in Southampton after all…

He may be, or he may not be. I don’t know.

The UK has ‘restricted citizenship by birth’.

A person is a citizen there, provided that one parent is a citizen or legally settled in the country, or if the child has lived there for 10 years.

No no yous don’t understand the point is once a Brit never anything else oh

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/07/rishi-sunaks-wife-says-its-not-relevant-to-say-where-she-pays-tax-overseas

wait.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The choice is stark, the Indian gentleman or a Knight of the Relm one of the chaps.

I’m pretty sure Rishi Sunak is a Brit – I mean he was born in Southampton after all…

He may be, or he may not be. I don’t know.

The UK has ‘restricted citizenship by birth’.

A person is a citizen there, provided that one parent is a citizen or legally settled in the country, or if the child has lived there for 10 years.

No, he is a Brit… My point, albeit facetious, was that RS isn’t an “Indian Gentlemen”.

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

Might as well strike while the pus is cold

dv said:

OCDC said:

In short: A general election has been called in the United Kingdom for July 4, more than six months earlier than it legally had to be held.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives trail the opposition Labour Party by significant margins in opinion polls.
What’s next: Wednesday’s announcement triggers the start of a six-week campaign, with the economy, immigration, health services, and cost-of-living already identified as key issues for voters.

Might as well strike while the pus is cold

it’s like a boil

dv said:

Thats very good with the rain coming down and all.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Thats very good with the rain coming down and all.

Actually it was a very good speech.

Meanwhile the British left have already counted their chickens before they’ve crossed it.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Thats very good with the rain coming down and all.

Well I can’t take all the credit.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Thats very good with the rain coming down and all.

Actually it was a very good speech.

And he performed his speech with a musical accompaniment. Just wonderful.

dv said:

They ought to find somewhere sheltered to give their speeches, perhaps under some sort of roof-like structure.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

They ought to find somewhere sheltered to give their speeches, perhaps under some sort of roof-like structure.

They cannot afford a multimedia press room like the US President has.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

They ought to find somewhere sheltered to give their speeches, perhaps under some sort of roof-like structure.

They cannot afford a multimedia press room like the US President has.

Biros spent several million pounds on renovating a room inside No 10 to be his press conference centre during Covid, rather than use the usual one inside the HoC.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

They ought to find somewhere sheltered to give their speeches, perhaps under some sort of roof-like structure.

They cannot afford a multimedia press room like the US President has.

Biros spent several million pounds on renovating a room inside No 10 to be his press conference centre during Covid, rather than use the usual one inside the HoC.

Probably did up Sir Humphry’s room.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

They ought to find somewhere sheltered to give their speeches, perhaps under some sort of roof-like structure.

They cannot afford a multimedia press room like the US President has.

Biros spent several million pounds on renovating a room inside No 10 to be his press conference centre during Covid, rather than use the usual one inside the HoC.

Biros nearly died during the dam panic.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

They ought to find somewhere sheltered to give their speeches, perhaps under some sort of roof-like structure.

They cannot afford a multimedia press room like the US President has.

But apparently they’ve got something called The White Room. It would have been dry in there.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

They ought to find somewhere sheltered to give their speeches, perhaps under some sort of roof-like structure.

They cannot afford a multimedia press room like the US President has.

Biros spent several million pounds on renovating a room inside No 10 to be his press conference centre during Covid, rather than use the usual one inside the HoC.

Oh, Ok, I should have remembered. Thanks.

Peak Warming Man said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

They cannot afford a multimedia press room like the US President has.

Biros spent several million pounds on renovating a room inside No 10 to be his press conference centre during Covid, rather than use the usual one inside the HoC.

Biros nearly died during the dam panic.

YIKR, shame he recovered.

Biros should probably be in the Pen

dv said:

Biros should probably be in the Pen

someone had to do it.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Biros should probably be in the Pen

someone had to do it.

Is This Abuse Of Nomenclature Acceptable

What The Fuck

SCIENCE said:

What The Fuck

They left out the first frame, where he says ‘Despite our best efforts, and everything we’ve done to try to prevent it…’

SCIENCE said:

What The Fuck

WTF indeed, when he spoke those words he was standing in the rain.

Peak Warming Man said:

SCIENCE said:

What The Fuck

WTF indeed, when he spoke those words he was standing in the rain.

With his coat on.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/22/rev-paula-vennells-innocent-subpostmasters-jail-post-office-ceo-victims

Post Office CEO Paula Vennells would like the victims of the most widespread miscarriage of justice in British legal history to know that she hasn’t actually done anything deliberately wrong, and that she honestly doesn’t understand how all this has happened. I guess she’s asking all the jailed and wrongly convicted subpostmasters to try to imagine being swept up in a Kafkaesque nightmare of undue blame. So … please add the murder of irony to her notional future charge sheet.

JudgeMental said:

who woulda thunk it that an outdoor event in London in May might be interrupted by a rain shower?

makes you wonder how they plan bigger national issues….

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

who woulda thunk it that an outdoor event in London in May might be interrupted by a rain shower?

makes you wonder how they plan bigger national issues….

It’s why they call it Drowning Street.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

who woulda thunk it that an outdoor event in London in May might be interrupted by a rain shower?

makes you wonder how they plan bigger national issues….

It’s why they call it Drowning Street.

Reassuring though that the British are still experts at needless self-humiliation.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

who woulda thunk it that an outdoor event in London in May might be interrupted by a rain shower?

makes you wonder how they plan bigger national issues….

It’s why they call it Drowning Street.

Reassuring though that the British are still experts at needless self-humiliation.

Makes you wonder how competent his advisors are. Did anyone even check the weather radar? Just strikes me as complutterly amateurish.

Although here’s a bit of contrasting chutzpah – MP Craig Mackinlay returns to parliament after his arms and legs were amputated – video

Standing ovation for the Tory MP returning in triumph with prosthetic limbs, after a horrific battle with sepsis left him limbless. “It’s only a flesh wound!”

Bubblecar said:

Although here’s a bit of contrasting chutzpah – MP Craig Mackinlay returns to parliament after his arms and legs were amputated – video

Standing ovation for the Tory MP returning in triumph with prosthetic limbs, after a horrific battle with sepsis left him limbless. “It’s only a flesh wound!”

Actually it seems he still has his original arms, minus hands, and his original upper legs. That’s still a lot to lose and still be laughing.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s why they call it Drowning Street.

Reassuring though that the British are still experts at needless self-humiliation.

Makes you wonder how competent his advisors are. Did anyone even check the weather radar? Just strikes me as complutterly amateurish.

Maybe they were getting back at him.

Bubblecar said:

Although here’s a bit of contrasting chutzpah – MP Craig Mackinlay returns to parliament after his arms and legs were amputated – video

Standing ovation for the Tory MP returning in triumph with prosthetic limbs, after a horrific battle with sepsis left him limbless. “It’s only a flesh wound!”

Disturbing story. Only a few hours between the first onset of feeling unwell and the body turning blue.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Although here’s a bit of contrasting chutzpah – MP Craig Mackinlay returns to parliament after his arms and legs were amputated – video

Standing ovation for the Tory MP returning in triumph with prosthetic limbs, after a horrific battle with sepsis left him limbless. “It’s only a flesh wound!”

Disturbing story. Only a few hours between the first onset of feeling unwell and the body turning blue.

Certainly not something you’d be watching out for in the normal scheme of day-to-day life.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Although here’s a bit of contrasting chutzpah – MP Craig Mackinlay returns to parliament after his arms and legs were amputated – video

Standing ovation for the Tory MP returning in triumph with prosthetic limbs, after a horrific battle with sepsis left him limbless. “It’s only a flesh wound!”

Disturbing story. Only a few hours between the first onset of feeling unwell and the body turning blue.

in the rehab hospital we became friends with a bloke who had the similar.. went to bed with a migraine, woke up three months later in hospital with both arms and legs amputated… he also used to say it was only a ‘flesh wound’. Great guy… unfortunately died of pneumonia just a few years later… we still are friends with his girlfriend and have watched his young son grow into a delightful human being…

Arts said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Although here’s a bit of contrasting chutzpah – MP Craig Mackinlay returns to parliament after his arms and legs were amputated – video

Standing ovation for the Tory MP returning in triumph with prosthetic limbs, after a horrific battle with sepsis left him limbless. “It’s only a flesh wound!”

Disturbing story. Only a few hours between the first onset of feeling unwell and the body turning blue.

in the rehab hospital we became friends with a bloke who had the similar.. went to bed with a migraine, woke up three months later in hospital with both arms and legs amputated… he also used to say it was only a ‘flesh wound’. Great guy… unfortunately died of pneumonia just a few years later… we still are friends with his girlfriend and have watched his young son grow into a delightful human being…

So what the heck starts these infections? I’m assuming something must be cooking for a while.

dv said:

Arts said:

dv said:

Disturbing story. Only a few hours between the first onset of feeling unwell and the body turning blue.

in the rehab hospital we became friends with a bloke who had the similar.. went to bed with a migraine, woke up three months later in hospital with both arms and legs amputated… he also used to say it was only a ‘flesh wound’. Great guy… unfortunately died of pneumonia just a few years later… we still are friends with his girlfriend and have watched his young son grow into a delightful human being…

So what the heck starts these infections? I’m assuming something must be cooking for a while.

Bacteria, which enter the body via flesh wounds, which gives a second meaning to “its only a flesh wound”.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Arts said:

in the rehab hospital we became friends with a bloke who had the similar.. went to bed with a migraine, woke up three months later in hospital with both arms and legs amputated… he also used to say it was only a ‘flesh wound’. Great guy… unfortunately died of pneumonia just a few years later… we still are friends with his girlfriend and have watched his young son grow into a delightful human being…

So what the heck starts these infections? I’m assuming something must be cooking for a while.

Bacteria, which enter the body via flesh wounds, which gives a second meaning to “its only a flesh wound”.

According to this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970225/
Sepsis makes about 20% of deaths

But it is mainly in people who already have known infections.

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

So what the heck starts these infections? I’m assuming something must be cooking for a while.

Bacteria, which enter the body via flesh wounds, which gives a second meaning to “its only a flesh wound”.

According to this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970225/
Sepsis makes about 20% of deaths

But it is mainly in people who already have known infections.

Ok, I wonder what AI could find?

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Bacteria, which enter the body via flesh wounds, which gives a second meaning to “its only a flesh wound”.

According to this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970225/
Sepsis makes about 20% of deaths

But it is mainly in people who already have known infections.

Ok, I wonder what AI could find?

Don’t forget that meningococcal and pneumococcal shit are already sitting in most humans ready to die from them.

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

According to this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6970225/
Sepsis makes about 20% of deaths

But it is mainly in people who already have known infections.

Ok, I wonder what AI could find?

Don’t forget that meningococcal and pneumococcal shit are already sitting in most humans ready to die from them.

and you only mention two?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Ok, I wonder what AI could find?

Don’t forget that meningococcal and pneumococcal shit are already sitting in most humans ready to die from them.

and you only mention two?

Which other one is as commonly bad and we’ll add it too.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Don’t forget that meningococcal and pneumococcal shit are already sitting in most humans ready to die from them.

and you only mention two?

Which other one is as commonly bad and we’ll add it too.

Oh, only the common ones eh.
There’s thousands just waiting for an opportunity.

“Jeremy Corbyn is set to cause a fresh headache for Sir Keir Starmer by announcing that he will stand against Labour as an independent candidate.
The former Labour leader will likely prove an electoral thorn in the side of his successor after the party banned him from seeking re-election under the party banner.”

You cant trust these hard left Bolshi nutters, trying to undermine a Knight of the Relm and one of the chaps.

Yeah okay.

dv said:

Yeah okay.

Mighty bold talk, coming from the most stupid, inept, hazardous Conservative PM since the 1980s.

dv said:

Yeah okay.

They probably paid him good money to write that too.

Mind you all that means is that he is to the left of Blair and Brown. Of the 9 PMs to serve since the 1970s, 7 have been Tories.

dv said:

Yeah okay.

Well Boris is just jealous so he’s calling him all the nasty things like a bastard and a left winger and things like that because he’s got a knighthood and Boris hasn’t.

dv said:

Yeah okay.

All this time and I never realised that Wison and Callaghan were such dangerous lefties.

Just read that this election call has caught the wider Conservative Party on the hop. There are around 200 constituencies where they have not yet selected a candidate. They have less than a week to choose and submit the proper paperwork.

party_pants said:

Just read that this election call has caught the wider Conservative Party on the hop. There are around 200 constituencies where they have not yet selected a candidate. They have less than a week to choose and submit the proper paperwork.

Well, they should cock that up good and proper.

party_pants said:

Just read that this election call has caught the wider Conservative Party on the hop. There are around 200 constituencies where they have not yet selected a candidate. They have less than a week to choose and submit the proper paperwork.

They have a few vacancies

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Just read that this election call has caught the wider Conservative Party on the hop. There are around 200 constituencies where they have not yet selected a candidate. They have less than a week to choose and submit the proper paperwork.

Well, they should cock that up good and proper.

Expect a few candidates selected in such haste to be embroiled in scandal over some previous comments or social media posts, and the party to be forced to dump them.

party_pants said:

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

party_pants said:

Just read that this election call has caught the wider Conservative Party on the hop. There are around 200 constituencies where they have not yet selected a candidate. They have less than a week to choose and submit the proper paperwork.

Well, they should cock that up good and proper.

They have a few vacancies

Expect a few candidates selected in such haste to be embroiled in scandal over some previous comments or social media posts, and the party to be forced to dump them.

So The RisSun was a Labour plant all along, a mol, dropshipped into the position to rek the Tories and pave the way for Communist Revolution, we knew it, we knew it the whole time, look at this mess.

dv said:

Yeah okay.

The Economist’s election model currently has the Tories at slightly less than 2% to retain government. The model shows them losing about 200 seats.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Yeah okay.

The Economist’s election model currently has the Tories at slightly less than 2% to retain government. The model shows them losing about 200 seats.

Yes. I think that 2% is very generous.

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

Yeah okay.

The Economist’s election model currently has the Tories at slightly less than 2% to retain government. The model shows them losing about 200 seats.

Yes. I think that 2% is very generous.

They’re going to crash and burn, but will they learn?

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

The Economist’s election model currently has the Tories at slightly less than 2% to retain government. The model shows them losing about 200 seats.

Yes. I think that 2% is very generous.

They’re going to crash and burn, but will they learn?

If they completely die in the arse that would be great.

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Yes. I think that 2% is very generous.

They’re going to crash and burn, but will they learn?

If they completely die in the arse that would be great.

Sorry no not siding with fascist parties even if they have colostomies.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

The Economist’s election model currently has the Tories at slightly less than 2% to retain government. The model shows them losing about 200 seats.

Yes. I think that 2% is very generous.

They’re going to crash and burn, but will they learn?

Hopefully Labour and the Lib Dems will reform the voting syste, from FPTP to something more reasonable and fair. If so the tories might never regain absolute power.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Yes. I think that 2% is very generous.

They’re going to crash and burn, but will they learn?

Hopefully Labour and the Lib Dems will reform the voting syste, from FPTP to something more reasonable and fair. If so the tories might never regain absolute power.

These things move in cycles…. The Tories will have their chance again at some point in the future, just like the LibNts will here. All healthy democracies need some degree of churn.