Australian Future Fund

The Opposition might want to be a bit careful when they comment on this. Someone might actually look up the dates of when the investments were made.

LOLWTF

A government committee has recommended that Medicare only contribute to someone’s first appointment with a specialist doctor when it is conducted face-to-face.

Why¿

buffy said:

Australian Future Fund

The Opposition might want to be a bit careful when they comment on this. Someone might actually look up the dates of when the investments were made.

What’s wrong with investing money in regionally dominant militaristic countries established in the late 1940s that imprison millions of Muslims in their western areas and seek completion of their claims over autonomously governed territories while economically or religiously spreading influence over the Pacific region¿

buffy said:

Australian Future Fund

The Opposition might want to be a bit careful when they comment on this. Someone might actually look up the dates of when the investments were made.

Well, I’m sure the pollies are not personally making the investment decisions, but policies and rules around the investment decision-making process should be set and regularly reviewed.

SCIENCE said:

LOLWTF

A government committee has recommended that Medicare only contribute to someone’s first appointment with a specialist doctor when it is conducted face-to-face.

Why¿

To increase the risk of transmission

Michael V said:

buffy said:

Australian Future Fund

The Opposition might want to be a bit careful when they comment on this. Someone might actually look up the dates of when the investments were made.

Well, I’m sure the pollies are not personally making the investment decisions, but policies and rules around the investment decision-making process should be set and regularly reviewed.

The Future Fund Act 2006 – SECT 24 (Investment policies) indicates that it’s the board that sets and publishes it own policies. Pollies don’t get a look in. Even so, I bet some pressure can be applied…

https://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ffa2006147/s24.html

dv said:

Similarly with the Voice referendum.

dv said:

Over at Fox, they accept that Labor beat the L/NP.

They just can’t understand that the L/NP did anything which would warrant them not winning the election, or that the electorate cannot see that the L/NP are the divinely-ordained party of government.

dv said:

what is that even suppose to mean?

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

what is that even suppose to mean?

I suppose if the ABC is criticised by both the right and the extreme left they must be doing something right.

Witty Rejoinder said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

what is that even suppose to mean?

I suppose if the ABC is criticised by both the right and the extreme left they must be doing something right.

true-ish

dv said:

Maybe I’m missing something, but those three appear to be ABC people, and I haven’t noticed anyone on the ABC not recognising that Labor won the election.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Maybe I’m missing something, but those three appear to be ABC people, and I haven’t noticed anyone on the ABC not recognising that Labor won the election.

It is more like what diddly said. https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2092584/

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Maybe I’m missing something, but those three appear to be ABC people, and I haven’t noticed anyone on the ABC not recognising that Labor won the election.

It is more like what diddly said. https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2092584/

How does asking what something is supposed to mean explain what it is supposed to mean?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Maybe I’m missing something, but those three appear to be ABC people, and I haven’t noticed anyone on the ABC not recognising that Labor won the election.

It is more like what diddly said. https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2092584/

How does asking what something is supposed to mean explain what it is supposed to mean?

I would have thought that the sense of meaningulness what not there to gather or glean.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

I just now had them in hot water and detergent for 15 minutes. Does that qualify?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/wash-hands-of

Typical Labor Corruption Capitalism ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-09/nsw-icac-canada-bay-mayor-angelo-tsirekas-corruption-finding/103084202

Possibly sensible if legit‘¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-09/nsw-macquarie-park-homes-redevelopment-proposal/103082828

SCIENCE said:

Possibly sensible if legit‘¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-09/nsw-macquarie-park-homes-redevelopment-proposal/103082828

good

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

I knew corruption was rife but I never thought it would reach Sydney

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Me neither.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

I knew corruption was rife but I never thought it would reach Sydney

hahaha

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Not our Clover?

Kind of misleading. Angelo Tsirekas was Mayor of the City of Canada Bay.

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Not our Clover?

No Woodie, one of them foreigners, a bloke with a foreign name.
A bounder called Mr Tsirekas Woodie.

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Not our Clover?

No Woodie, one of them foreigners, a bloke with a foreign name.
A bounder called Mr Tsirekas Woodie.

Not a proper Koori name like Bruce.

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Not our Clover?

No Woodie, one of them foreigners, a bloke with a foreign name.
A bounder called Mr Tsirekas Woodie.

any relation to our Woodie?

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Not our Clover?

No Woodie, one of them foreigners, a bloke with a foreign name.
A bounder called Mr Tsirekas Woodie.

any relation to our Woodie?

Damn sintax.

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Woodie said:

Not our Clover?

No Woodie, one of them foreigners, a bloke with a foreign name.
A bounder called Mr Tsirekas Woodie.

any relation to our Woodie?

A crook??? A foreign crook? I know naaarthink. Naaaaaaaaarthink.

Woodie said:

Boris said:

Peak Warming Man said:

No Woodie, one of them foreigners, a bloke with a foreign name.
A bounder called Mr Tsirekas Woodie.

any relation to our Woodie?

A crook??? A foreign crook? I know naaarthink. Naaaaaaaaarthink.

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Not our Clover?

No, no, never, never no Moore.

Bubblecar said:

Woodie said:

Boris said:

any relation to our Woodie?

A crook??? A foreign crook? I know naaarthink. Naaaaaaaaarthink.

A Bollywood crook?

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

Peak Warming Man said:

“Sydney mayor and ex-Labor candidate found corrupt”

Well I never.

Not our Clover?

No, no, never, never no Moore.

Ha

Bubblecar said:

Woodie said:

Boris said:

any relation to our Woodie?

A crook??? A foreign crook? I know naaarthink. Naaaaaaaaarthink.

LOLOL

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

I think I was born nearby.

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

I remember years ago me and a mate were talking about where we were going for our holidays. He was going to Queensland, we were in Victoria, so I asked him what route he was taking…

Boris said:

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

I remember years ago me and a mate were talking about where we were going for our holidays. He was going to Queensland, we were in Victoria, so I asked him what route he was taking…

Then what happened?

dv said:

Boris said:

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

I remember years ago me and a mate were talking about where we were going for our holidays. He was going to Queensland, we were in Victoria, so I asked him what route he was taking…

Then what happened?

well, as you know aurally route and root sound the same.

kii said:

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

I think I was born nearby.

Yep, just a few streets back from the actual Canada Bay.

dv said:

Kind of misleading. Angelo Tsirekas was Mayor of the City of Canada Bay.

I hadn’t heard of Canada Bay, but it’s just down the road.

Seems kind of small for a city, even by Australian standards.

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

There has been plenty of merging going on in recent years.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Kind of misleading. Angelo Tsirekas was Mayor of the City of Canada Bay.

I hadn’t heard of Canada Bay, but it’s just down the road.

Seems kind of small for a city, even by Australian standards.

There is a commemorative plaque marking the place of my birth.

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Kind of misleading. Angelo Tsirekas was Mayor of the City of Canada Bay.

I hadn’t heard of Canada Bay, but it’s just down the road.

Seems kind of small for a city, even by Australian standards.

There is a commemorative plaque marking the place of my birth.

I’ll wave to it next time I’m passing on the train.

Boris said:

dv said:

Boris said:

I remember years ago me and a mate were talking about where we were going for our holidays. He was going to Queensland, we were in Victoria, so I asked him what route he was taking…

Then what happened?

well, as you know aurally route and root sound the same.

I see, I see, so did he say “turnip” or something like that?

dv said:

Boris said:

dv said:

Then what happened?

well, as you know aurally route and root sound the same.

I see, I see, so did he say “turnip” or something like that?

he was taking a Swede.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

There has been plenty of merging going on in recent years.

Indeed, WP tells me…

“The city was formed on 1 December 2000, following the merger of Concord and Drummoyne councils.”

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

There has been plenty of merging going on in recent years.

Indeed, WP tells me…

“The city was formed on 1 December 2000, following the merger of Concord and Drummoyne councils.”

What’s Koori for Canadian Bay.

dv said:

I’m going to be honest and say I’ve never heard of the City of Canada Bay.

There are too many LGAs in NSW and they probably need to go the Qld route in that regard.

The city was formed on 1 December 2000, following the merger of Concord and Drummoyne councils.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Canada_Bay

NSW Saving The Cuntry Again ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-10/feral-pig-deliberate-releases-south-australia-limestone-coast/103084364

SCIENCE said:

NSW Saving The Cuntry Again ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-10/feral-pig-deliberate-releases-south-australia-limestone-coast/103084364

Pig hunting. The noble sport of Australia.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

NSW Saving The Cuntry Again ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-10/feral-pig-deliberate-releases-south-australia-limestone-coast/103084364

Pig hunting. The noble sport of Australia.

dv said:

:)

dv said:

Get thee an offshore investment scheme.

dv said:

Ya. Political wing of L/NP pays zip, nada…

https://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/tuvalu/australia-tuvalu-falepili-union-treaty

SCIENCE said:

https://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/tuvalu/australia-tuvalu-falepili-union-treaty

There’s only a few thousand of them. Just have an EU style freedom of movement between both countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

Australia to immediately begin releasing people held in indefinite immigration detention
Legal advocate for detainees says government could be liable for compensation if it fails to free people

The Albanese government will immediately begin releasing people from indefinite detention after receiving a flurry of demands from long-term detainees to be set free due to Wednesday’s landmark high court ruling.

On Thursday the director of Human Rights for All, Alison Battisson, said the government was wrong to claim it needed to wait for the full reasons for the court’s decision, and could be liable to pay compensation for failing to immediately release people who it is not possible to deport.

The government now concedes that for some detainees it is clear they must be released because it is not possible to deport them.

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

Australia to immediately begin releasing people held in indefinite immigration detention
Legal advocate for detainees says government could be liable for compensation if it fails to free people

The Albanese government will immediately begin releasing people from indefinite detention after receiving a flurry of demands from long-term detainees to be set free due to Wednesday’s landmark high court ruling.

On Thursday the director of Human Rights for All, Alison Battisson, said the government was wrong to claim it needed to wait for the full reasons for the court’s decision, and could be liable to pay compensation for failing to immediately release people who it is not possible to deport.

The government now concedes that for some detainees it is clear they must be released because it is not possible to deport them.

Released with a ball and chain, some of them.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

Australia to immediately begin releasing people held in indefinite immigration detention
Legal advocate for detainees says government could be liable for compensation if it fails to free people

The Albanese government will immediately begin releasing people from indefinite detention after receiving a flurry of demands from long-term detainees to be set free due to Wednesday’s landmark high court ruling.

On Thursday the director of Human Rights for All, Alison Battisson, said the government was wrong to claim it needed to wait for the full reasons for the court’s decision, and could be liable to pay compensation for failing to immediately release people who it is not possible to deport.

The government now concedes that for some detainees it is clear they must be released because it is not possible to deport them.

Released with a ball and chain, some of them.

Some of them need restrictions and supervision orders. I am not very happy about the High Court ruling on this. .

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-faces-rush-of-demands-to-release-people-held-in-indefinite-immigration-detention

Australia to immediately begin releasing people held in indefinite immigration detention
Legal advocate for detainees says government could be liable for compensation if it fails to free people

The Albanese government will immediately begin releasing people from indefinite detention after receiving a flurry of demands from long-term detainees to be set free due to Wednesday’s landmark high court ruling.

On Thursday the director of Human Rights for All, Alison Battisson, said the government was wrong to claim it needed to wait for the full reasons for the court’s decision, and could be liable to pay compensation for failing to immediately release people who it is not possible to deport.

The government now concedes that for some detainees it is clear they must be released because it is not possible to deport them.

Released with a ball and chain, some of them.

Some of them need restrictions and supervision orders. I am not very happy about the High Court ruling on this. .

There are many instances in these numbers that I’m not happy about as well.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Released with a ball and chain, some of them.

Some of them need restrictions and supervision orders. I am not very happy about the High Court ruling on this. .

There are many instances in these numbers that I’m not happy about as well.

Though it is a bit like the trolley thing.

idiot.

sarahs mum said:

idiot.

Canavan is not a kind man, and neither thoughtful nor empathetic.

sarahs mum said:

idiot.

If their dogs will vouch for them, the people are welcome to come.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

idiot.

Canavan is not a kind man, and neither thoughtful nor empathetic.

but, but, tuvalu is getting bigger!!!

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

idiot.

If their dogs will vouch for them, the people are welcome to come.

‘special visa category’

Australia will offer residency to people affected by climate change in the low-lying Pacific nation of Tuvalu, as part of a sweeping new treaty that also locks the two countries into close security ties.

At a time when many Pacific leaders are pressing Australia to take stronger action against its fossil fuel sector, the treaty explicitly recognises the vulnerability of Tuvalu to rising sea levels.

Tuvalu is a country of nine low-lying islands in the central Pacific, about halfway between Australia and Hawaii, with a population of about 11,200.

Australia will offer up to 280 people access to permanent residency each year, but it has also promised to help the citizens of Tuvalu “stay in their homes with safety and dignity”.

The Australian prime minister, Anthony Albanese, said the deal would also cement his country’s status as Tuvalu’s “security partner of choice” by offering it a form of security guarantee.

The new treaty, announced on Friday, states that Australia will act on requests from its partner to respond to major natural disasters, pandemics or “military aggression against Tuvalu”.

In return for this security guarantee, Tuvalu will be required to “mutually agree with Australia” if it wants to strike a deal with any other country on security and defence-related matters.

These topics are defined broadly to include “defence, policing, border protection, cybersecurity and critical infrastructure, including ports, telecommunications and energy infrastructure” – all of which are of interest to China.

Australia’s military could be granted access and have a presence within the country if such activities are deemed necessary to provide assistance that had been requested by the Pacific country.

The deal will be seen as a strategic win for the Australian government at a time when China has been vigorously pursuing closer ties with Pacific island countries.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-to-offer-residency-to-tuvalu-residents-displaced-by-climate-change

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

idiot.

If their dogs will vouch for them, the people are welcome to come.

‘special visa category’

Australia will offer residency to people affected by climate change in the low-lying Pacific nation of Tuvalu, as part of a sweeping new treaty that also locks the two countries into close security ties.

At a time when many Pacific leaders are pressing Australia to take stronger action against its fossil fuel sector, the treaty explicitly recognises the vulnerability of Tuvalu to rising sea levels.

Tuvalu is a country of nine low-lying islands in the central Pacific, about halfway between Australia and Hawaii, with a population of about 11,200.

Australia will offer up to 280 people access to permanent residency each year, but it has also promised to help the citizens of Tuvalu “stay in their homes with safety and dignity”.

The Australian prime minister, Anthony Albanese, said the deal would also cement his country’s status as Tuvalu’s “security partner of choice” by offering it a form of security guarantee.

The new treaty, announced on Friday, states that Australia will act on requests from its partner to respond to major natural disasters, pandemics or “military aggression against Tuvalu”.

In return for this security guarantee, Tuvalu will be required to “mutually agree with Australia” if it wants to strike a deal with any other country on security and defence-related matters.

These topics are defined broadly to include “defence, policing, border protection, cybersecurity and critical infrastructure, including ports, telecommunications and energy infrastructure” – all of which are of interest to China.

Australia’s military could be granted access and have a presence within the country if such activities are deemed necessary to provide assistance that had been requested by the Pacific country.

The deal will be seen as a strategic win for the Australian government at a time when China has been vigorously pursuing closer ties with Pacific island countries.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-to-offer-residency-to-tuvalu-residents-displaced-by-climate-change

That last bit is the real kicker. They have more or less become a c=vassal state of Australia.

If we are going to do that, we might as well have EU style freedom of movement between the two countries.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

captain_spalding said:

If their dogs will vouch for them, the people are welcome to come.

‘special visa category’

Australia will offer residency to people affected by climate change in the low-lying Pacific nation of Tuvalu, as part of a sweeping new treaty that also locks the two countries into close security ties.

At a time when many Pacific leaders are pressing Australia to take stronger action against its fossil fuel sector, the treaty explicitly recognises the vulnerability of Tuvalu to rising sea levels.

Tuvalu is a country of nine low-lying islands in the central Pacific, about halfway between Australia and Hawaii, with a population of about 11,200.

Australia will offer up to 280 people access to permanent residency each year, but it has also promised to help the citizens of Tuvalu “stay in their homes with safety and dignity”.

The Australian prime minister, Anthony Albanese, said the deal would also cement his country’s status as Tuvalu’s “security partner of choice” by offering it a form of security guarantee.

The new treaty, announced on Friday, states that Australia will act on requests from its partner to respond to major natural disasters, pandemics or “military aggression against Tuvalu”.

In return for this security guarantee, Tuvalu will be required to “mutually agree with Australia” if it wants to strike a deal with any other country on security and defence-related matters.

These topics are defined broadly to include “defence, policing, border protection, cybersecurity and critical infrastructure, including ports, telecommunications and energy infrastructure” – all of which are of interest to China.

Australia’s military could be granted access and have a presence within the country if such activities are deemed necessary to provide assistance that had been requested by the Pacific country.

The deal will be seen as a strategic win for the Australian government at a time when China has been vigorously pursuing closer ties with Pacific island countries.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-to-offer-residency-to-tuvalu-residents-displaced-by-climate-change

That last bit is the real kicker. They have more or less become a c=vassal state of Australia.

If we are going to do that, we might as well have EU style freedom of movement between the two countries.

i believe quite a few tuvuluans have already gone to NZ. I’m sure some will want to end up there.

sarahs mum said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

‘special visa category’

Australia will offer residency to people affected by climate change in the low-lying Pacific nation of Tuvalu, as part of a sweeping new treaty that also locks the two countries into close security ties.

At a time when many Pacific leaders are pressing Australia to take stronger action against its fossil fuel sector, the treaty explicitly recognises the vulnerability of Tuvalu to rising sea levels.

Tuvalu is a country of nine low-lying islands in the central Pacific, about halfway between Australia and Hawaii, with a population of about 11,200.

Australia will offer up to 280 people access to permanent residency each year, but it has also promised to help the citizens of Tuvalu “stay in their homes with safety and dignity”.

The Australian prime minister, Anthony Albanese, said the deal would also cement his country’s status as Tuvalu’s “security partner of choice” by offering it a form of security guarantee.

The new treaty, announced on Friday, states that Australia will act on requests from its partner to respond to major natural disasters, pandemics or “military aggression against Tuvalu”.

In return for this security guarantee, Tuvalu will be required to “mutually agree with Australia” if it wants to strike a deal with any other country on security and defence-related matters.

These topics are defined broadly to include “defence, policing, border protection, cybersecurity and critical infrastructure, including ports, telecommunications and energy infrastructure” – all of which are of interest to China.

Australia’s military could be granted access and have a presence within the country if such activities are deemed necessary to provide assistance that had been requested by the Pacific country.

The deal will be seen as a strategic win for the Australian government at a time when China has been vigorously pursuing closer ties with Pacific island countries.

more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/10/australia-to-offer-residency-to-tuvalu-residents-displaced-by-climate-change

That last bit is the real kicker. They have more or less become a c=vassal state of Australia.

If we are going to do that, we might as well have EU style freedom of movement between the two countries.

i believe quite a few tuvuluans have already gone to NZ. I’m sure some will want to end up there.

Apart from the ones that want to hang on no matter what.

“Australia’s pledge also includes further cooperation on the Tuvalu Coastal Adaptation Project, which would reclaim land in the capital, Funafuti, in the hopes of expanding the land mass by 6% to create more space for housing and other essential services and “enabling people to remain living in Tuvalu in the face of sea level rise”.”

Labor in NSW continues to have high approval. The voting intention per Resolve polling is 56.6% ALP 43.4% Libs on a 2PP basis.
Lot of “Don’t know/no opinion” on preferred Premier. 35% Minns, 13% Speakman.

dv said:

Labor in NSW continues to have high approval. The voting intention per Resolve polling is 56.6% ALP 43.4% Libs on a 2PP basis.
Lot of “Don’t know/no opinion” on preferred Premier. 35% Minns, 13% Speakman.

13% for Speakman.

Seems that a lot of people don’t really know who they’d like to have as Premier, but they’re pretty sure that it’s not Speakman.

dv said:

Labor in NSW continues to have high approval. The voting intention per Resolve polling is 56.6% ALP 43.4% Libs on a 2PP basis.
Lot of “Don’t know/no opinion” on preferred Premier. 35% Minns, 13% Speakman.

13% for Speakman.

Seems that a lot of people don’t really know who they’d like to have as Premier, but they’re pretty sure that it’s not Speakman.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Labor in NSW continues to have high approval. The voting intention per Resolve polling is 56.6% ALP 43.4% Libs on a 2PP basis.
Lot of “Don’t know/no opinion” on preferred Premier. 35% Minns, 13% Speakman.

13% for Speakman.

Seems that a lot of people don’t really know who they’d like to have as Premier, but they’re pretty sure that it’s not Speakman.

As a well informed NSW voter I’m happy to tell you that I couldn’t have named the leader of the NSW libs, and I don’t recall ever hearing Speakman speak.

I suspect many of the 53% “don’t knows” would be the same.

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Labor in NSW continues to have high approval. The voting intention per Resolve polling is 56.6% ALP 43.4% Libs on a 2PP basis.
Lot of “Don’t know/no opinion” on preferred Premier. 35% Minns, 13% Speakman.

13% for Speakman.

Seems that a lot of people don’t really know who they’d like to have as Premier, but they’re pretty sure that it’s not Speakman.

As a well informed NSW voter I’m happy to tell you that I couldn’t have named the leader of the NSW libs, and I don’t recall ever hearing Speakman speak.

I suspect many of the 53% “don’t knows” would be the same.

52%

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Labor in NSW continues to have high approval. The voting intention per Resolve polling is 56.6% ALP 43.4% Libs on a 2PP basis.
Lot of “Don’t know/no opinion” on preferred Premier. 35% Minns, 13% Speakman.

13% for Speakman.

Seems that a lot of people don’t really know who they’d like to have as Premier, but they’re pretty sure that it’s not Speakman.

As a well informed NSW voter I’m happy to tell you that I couldn’t have named the leader of the NSW libs, and I don’t recall ever hearing Speakman speak.

I suspect many of the 53% “don’t knows” would be the same.

Doesn’t even sound real, more like a name an alien might come up with on the spot to pretend to be an earthling politician. “Uh… speak … man … “

There’s a different kind of

Police told Mr Nugagahakumbura there was no CCTV footage of the attack, despite the centrality of the location. “We are not living in 18th or 19th century,” Mr Nugagahakumbura said. “If someone needs to find someone, there are so many ways of doing that.”

state for this desired kind of surveillance¡

SCIENCE said:

There’s a different kind of

Police told Mr Nugagahakumbura there was no CCTV footage of the attack, despite the centrality of the location. “We are not living in 18th or 19th century,” Mr Nugagahakumbura said. “If someone needs to find someone, there are so many ways of doing that.”

state for this desired kind of surveillance¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-13/family-traumatised-by-racist-assault-in-ballarat/103090590

All right, all

“Our staff were getting phone calls daily, saying, ‘You don’t belong here. We’re going to boycott you. We’re going to close you down, your shop’s going to go’,’‘ he told 7.30. Police have so far said there is no evidence indicating the firebombing of the store was racially or politically motivated.

good then¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-13/burgertory-owner-moves-family-to-safehouse-730/103100348

Yeah no shit

uh sorry we mean

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/privatisation-public-assets-water-sewage-transport-fair-society/103097448

yeah.

The NSW Labor government will take back control of the maintenance of its 95,000 social housing properties as part of its broader push to reverse the outsourcing of services to the private sector.

In a bid to improve long wait times that social housing tenants face for basic repairs to their homes, the government will not renew the contracts of four private operators due to expire next year.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/one-of-our-worst-landlords-returns-housing-repairs-to-public-hands-20231112-p5ejb6.html

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

dv said:

The NSW Labor government will take back control of the maintenance of its 95,000 social housing properties as part of its broader push to reverse the outsourcing of services to the private sector.

In a bid to improve long wait times that social housing tenants face for basic repairs to their homes, the government will not renew the contracts of four private operators due to expire next year.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/one-of-our-worst-landlords-returns-housing-repairs-to-public-hands-20231112-p5ejb6.html

Britain’s ‘unbearable’ sewerage problem is a warning against privatisation in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/privatisation-public-assets-water-sewage-transport-fair-society/103097448

Ridiculous.

Private industry always does a better job than bloated, lethargic organisations run by the so-called ‘state’.

And don’t forget the benefits of competition. There’ll be all those sewerage companies vying for the right to deal with your sewage, with market pressures compelling them to offer you ever-cheaper options.

You know, just like with the energy market.

Wait.

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

That looks like the member for manilla on the left

People keep voting for scumbags

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

those hats haven’t seen a days work.

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

Your invite probably got lost

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

What exactly is our fault about this? And what does “hold them accountable” mean in this context?

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

What exactly is our fault about this? And what does “hold them accountable” mean in this context?

left wing memers.

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

Gees, George certainty hasn’t lost any weight since leaving politics

JudgeMental said:

sarahs mum said:

This was on our watch. Wake up & hold them accountable.
23 m ·
Didn’t realise Barnaby got married two days ago 👰🏼‍♀️🤵🏻💍😊

those hats haven’t seen a days work.

Parasites

Not Designed To Mislead ¡

China blamed as major backer

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-15/asd-reports-increase-in-cyber-attacks/103103320

Try This For Your Person Woman Man Camera TV Moment ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-15/nt-public-trustee-brain-injury-survivor-questions-cognitive-exam/102912962

SCIENCE said:

Try This For Your Person Woman Man Camera TV Moment ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-15/nt-public-trustee-brain-injury-survivor-questions-cognitive-exam/102912962

You mean Trump isn’t the president?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Try This For Your Person Woman Man Camera TV Moment ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-15/nt-public-trustee-brain-injury-survivor-questions-cognitive-exam/102912962

You mean Trump isn’t the president?

Well, that’s not what i’m hearing from some quarters.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Try This For Your Person Woman Man Camera TV Moment ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-15/nt-public-trustee-brain-injury-survivor-questions-cognitive-exam/102912962

You mean Trump isn’t the president?

Well, that’s not what i’m hearing from some quarters.

He thinks the election was rigged by the vermin in the swamp that he never emptied when he had the chance.

So… has NACC done anything useful yet¿

SCIENCE said:

So… has NACC done anything useful yet¿

We still have corrupt politicians.

SCIENCE said:

So… has NACC done anything useful yet¿

Maybe you should ask? https://www.naccinspector.gov.au/

Dutton suggests parliament continue sitting until legislation passed on High Court immigration ruling, despite the legislation having not yet been written.

LOL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-15/dutton-responds-to-immigration-high-court-decision/103107080

The Health Services Union NSW (HSU) said a growing number of paramedics had vowed not to re-register with the professional regulator by November 30, rendering them legally unable to attend triple-0 calls.

More than 1,500 paramedics have signed an online pledge to boycott their renewals, which are due on December 1.

Paramedics who do not pay their registration would be given a month’s grace period in which they can legally work before they are removed from the register on January 1.

In an online newsletter, the Ambulance Division of the HSU said the Minns government was breaking an election promise by failing to recognise members’ increasing skills with a pay rise.

“This government is happy to accept all the benefits of each and every paramedic’s professionalism while attempting to delay paying for it – if they can get away with it,” the newsletter said.

“It’s time to pull the nuclear option and boycott 2023 paramedic registration.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-14/nsw-paramedics-threaten-boycott-over-pay-dispute/103105480

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1724657919206252688?t=zu_EEdmQpHHK9RiIqtxjhg&s=19

LNP should probably swap Dutton out now, give the real candidate a good year and a half to establish.

dv said:

https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1724657919206252688?t=zu_EEdmQpHHK9RiIqtxjhg&s=19

LNP should probably swap Dutton out now, give the real candidate a good year and a half to establish.

Who’s your preferred choice for Dutton’s replacement?

buffy said:

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

He’s a dolt.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1724657919206252688?t=zu_EEdmQpHHK9RiIqtxjhg&s=19

LNP should probably swap Dutton out now, give the real candidate a good year and a half to establish.

Who’s your preferred choice for Dutton’s replacement?

Probaby someone from a different party?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

He’s a dolt.

He’s good enough to fill the chair while the rest of the L/NP are busy fiddling their travel/office/postage allowances, and making promises to big business for when they next win office.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1724657919206252688?t=zu_EEdmQpHHK9RiIqtxjhg&s=19

LNP should probably swap Dutton out now, give the real candidate a good year and a half to establish.

Who’s your preferred choice for Dutton’s replacement?

Probaby someone from a different party?

Be nice if green opposition for a change.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

He’s a dolt.

He’s good enough to fill the chair while the rest of the L/NP are busy fiddling their travel/office/postage allowances, and making promises to big business for when they next win office.

Ah, so that’s it.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

He’s a dolt.

Good to see democracy hard at work ¡ Who needs justification for justice ¿

The High Court hasn’t helped the government by deciding to issue its ruling without the reasons for its judgement. Nor is there any clear indication of when those reasons will be delivered.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Who’s your preferred choice for Dutton’s replacement?

Probaby someone from a different party?

Be nice if green opposition for a change.

Now that would be a change.
If the COALition was separated back to two parties or more.. Then the greens would no longer be a minority party.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

He’s a dolt.

Good to see democracy hard at work ¡ Who needs justification for justice ¿

The High Court hasn’t helped the government by deciding to issue its ruling without the reasons for its judgement. Nor is there any clear indication of when those reasons will be delivered.

You could say that the High Court has stymied politicians.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

He’s a dolt.

He’s good enough to fill the chair while the rest of the L/NP are busy fiddling their travel/office/postage allowances, and making promises to big business for when they next win office.

Ah, so that’s it.

Being in government is nice, but no-one really minds being in opposition for a while now and then, either.

You’re not really responsible for anything, you can blame the government for anything that goes wrong, or for deficiencies in your electorate, and you can talk big about how much better it’ll be when your mob is back in control.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

He’s good enough to fill the chair while the rest of the L/NP are busy fiddling their travel/office/postage allowances, and making promises to big business for when they next win office.

Ah, so that’s it.

Being in government is nice, but no-one really minds being in opposition for a while now and then, either.

You’re not really responsible for anything, you can blame the government for anything that goes wrong, or for deficiencies in your electorate, and you can talk big about how much better it’ll be when your mob is back in control.

As long as your snout is in the trough, you are OK.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Ah, so that’s it.

Being in government is nice, but no-one really minds being in opposition for a while now and then, either.

You’re not really responsible for anything, you can blame the government for anything that goes wrong, or for deficiencies in your electorate, and you can talk big about how much better it’ll be when your mob is back in control.

As long as your snout is in the trough, you are OK.

There was a chap, a few elections back, who ran as an independent, with the slogan ‘it’s a big trough, and i want to get my snout into it’.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

He’s a dolt.

Ah, but he’s a Bolt dolt.

He may yet get the top job.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I think I’ll put this in here as well as in the meme thread.

Mr Dutton seems to have felt the need to fight his irrelevence yesterday. Apparently his cunning plan was not such a good one after all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/albanese-dutton-question-time-clash-gaza-israel-high-court/103110052

He’s a dolt.

Ah, but he’s a Bolt dolt.

He may yet get the top job.

If Rupert approves.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

He’s a dolt.

Ah, but he’s a Bolt dolt.

He may yet get the top job.

If Rupert approves.

… or Rupert junior (whatever his name is).

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ah, but he’s a Bolt dolt.

He may yet get the top job.

If Rupert approves.

… or Rupert junior (whatever his name is).

lachlan

The Rev Dodgson said:

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Ah, but he’s a Bolt dolt.

He may yet get the top job.

If Rupert approves.

… or Rupert junior (whatever his name is).

I’m sure that Rupert offers pertinent advice, on occasion.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1724657919206252688?t=zu_EEdmQpHHK9RiIqtxjhg&s=19

LNP should probably swap Dutton out now, give the real candidate a good year and a half to establish.

Who’s your preferred choice for Dutton’s replacement?

Well the LNP needs to get a bit closer to the centre so they should probably look at which candidates did well in the most recent election. The only Lib MP to get a swing towards was Bridget Archer.

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

https://twitter.com/strangerous10/status/1724657919206252688?t=zu_EEdmQpHHK9RiIqtxjhg&s=19

LNP should probably swap Dutton out now, give the real candidate a good year and a half to establish.

Who’s your preferred choice for Dutton’s replacement?

Well the LNP needs to get a bit closer to the centre so they should probably look at which candidates did well in the most recent election. The only Lib MP to get a swing towards was Bridget Archer.

She is the only one that gets close. The whole party otherwise are not working for the average Aussie.

Dutton has actually improved in the preferred PM polls, up to 27%.

That’s it, Monty, climb the ranks

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

The bastard has the temerity to use my name.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

Well if wisdom is measured in terms of gaining maximum political advantage, regardless of the effects, then yes.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

Well if wisdom is measured in terms of gaining maximum political advantage, regardless of the effects, then yes.

So another Trumpism.

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

Not right-wing enough for you?

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

I mean we’ll see what we’ll see, I ain’t vosstrodamus, but I think he fucked the next election for them. They’ll never get those teal seats back.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

Spoken like a true smelly pomegranite.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

I mean we’ll see what we’ll see, I ain’t vosstrodamus, but I think he fucked the next election for them. They’ll never get those teal seats back.

He isn’t the spokesperson the Libs need at this point in time. If he was back in Hitler’s day he would have been shouted out of office iin this land.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’m no fan of Peter but he chose wisely in opposing the voice.

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

With such an overwhelming majority voting NO it seems a bit too simplistic just to blame racism and ignorance for the outcome.

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

This.. was quite obvious. In an absence of understanding what the oldest living race of humans actually want.

party_pants said:

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

With such an overwhelming majority voting NO it seems a bit too simplistic just to blame racism and ignorance for the outcome.

Are you suggesting that simplistic doesn’t describe an ocker?

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

Nah it was pretty simple.

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

captain_spalding said:

I’m definitely no Dutton fan, either. But, the Voice was an excellent example of the right thing being done very much in the wrong way, with a result that you didn’t need a crystal ball to predict.

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

When you ask people to vote on constitutional change on something called the Voice it needs something of some import not gimmic name.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

Nah it was pretty simple.

The concept was simple, the mechanics were unknown.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

When you ask people to vote on constitutional change on something called the Voice it needs something of some import not gimmic name.

Yes, it was about acting swiftly on promises without the application of the thought process.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

Nah it was pretty simple.

The concept was simple, the mechanics were unknown.

What didn’t you understand?

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

Nah it was pretty simple.

The concept was simple, the mechanics were unknown.

The real problem is not ever allowing an equitable place on the governing body for the original inhabitants of the land being goverened.
Sort of like kicking the landowners out and only allowing the real estate agents(car salesmen), the voice.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Nah it was pretty simple.

The concept was simple, the mechanics were unknown.

What didn’t you understand?

Well there were only two choices .

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Nah it was pretty simple.

The concept was simple, the mechanics were unknown.

What didn’t you understand?

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

The concept was simple, the mechanics were unknown.

What didn’t you understand?

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What didn’t you understand?

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

Who said i voted ‘no’?

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

Who said i voted ‘no’?

Well I didn’t.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

Who said i voted ‘no’?

So you voted yes to something you didn’t understand?

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

Who said i voted ‘no’?

So you voted yes to something you didn’t understand?

No.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What didn’t you understand?

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

I live in an electorate that voted nearly 70% No. The feeling I got from talking to people was that they thought The Voice was some sort of trojan, that it was going to end up being something far more than just an advisory body. Also, people seemed to think it would do nothing to end Aboriginal disadvantage, particularly in remote areas.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

Who said i voted ‘no’?

So you voted yes to something you didn’t understand?

Perhaps.

Maybe i understood it better than most.

Maybe i was able to recognise what the right thing was, even if i didn’t fully understand why it was the right thing, and had to trust that it could be made to achieve the promised improvements.

Or, maybe i voted ‘no’.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

It’s not up to me to explain to you how it would have worked. You explain to me what misunderstanding meant you voted no.

I live in an electorate that voted nearly 70% No. The feeling I got from talking to people was that they thought The Voice was some sort of trojan, that it was going to end up being something far more than just an advisory body. Also, people seemed to think it would do nothing to end Aboriginal disadvantage, particularly in remote areas.

The sheep can be more easily moved, as a flock.

NT chief minister denies Woodside shares are a conflict of interest, amid growing scrutiny

roughbarked said:

NT chief minister denies Woodside shares are a conflict of interest, amid growing scrutiny

Sorry about putting this here but this sort of thing really should be what politicians should be looking at.

Water stress pits beauty spot’s long-term residents against newcomers
ABC Gold Coast

Looks like Sir Humphrey is alive and well in Canberra these days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/high-risk-infrastructure-project-funding-axed/103111144

Woodie said:

Looks like Sir Humphrey is alive and well in Canberra these days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/high-risk-infrastructure-project-funding-axed/103111144

Could just be a minister actually listening to advice, rather than ignoring it in favour of promises made to good friends in the corporate world.

Woodie said:

Looks like Sir Humphrey is alive and well in Canberra these days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/high-risk-infrastructure-project-funding-axed/103111144

He nailed it.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

The concept was simple, the mechanics were unknown.

What didn’t you understand?

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

The question on the referendum was, paraphrased…How about we recognize that there were people living here before the Europeans came? And also, that our parliament sets up a system of getting their views on things that affect them specifically, but only in such a way that it is advice only. The fact that people seemed to want to know the workings suggests they think the parliamentarians – which we voted in – are not capable of coming up with legislation. That’s sort of odd really.

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

What didn’t you understand?

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

The question on the referendum was, paraphrased…How about we recognize that there were people living here before the Europeans came? And also, that our parliament sets up a system of getting their views on things that affect them specifically, but only in such a way that it is advice only. The fact that people seemed to want to know the workings suggests they think the parliamentarians – which we voted in – are not capable of coming up with legislation. That’s sort of odd really.

It seems almost like a repeat of Terra nullius.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

captain_spalding said:

If it’s a straightforward matter, how about you set out your understanding of the way in which the Voice would be constituted, its roles, and the mechanisms by which it would achieve it’s desired purposes, and we can see whether or not that should have been enough to satisfy the voters?

The question on the referendum was, paraphrased…How about we recognize that there were people living here before the Europeans came? And also, that our parliament sets up a system of getting their views on things that affect them specifically, but only in such a way that it is advice only. The fact that people seemed to want to know the workings suggests they think the parliamentarians – which we voted in – are not capable of coming up with legislation. That’s sort of odd really.

It seems almost like a repeat of Terra nullius.

It was supposed to be the final nail in that coffin.

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

The question on the referendum was, paraphrased…How about we recognize that there were people living here before the Europeans came? And also, that our parliament sets up a system of getting their views on things that affect them specifically, but only in such a way that it is advice only. The fact that people seemed to want to know the workings suggests they think the parliamentarians – which we voted in – are not capable of coming up with legislation. That’s sort of odd really.

It seems almost like a repeat of Terra nullius.

It was supposed to be the final nail in that coffin.

:(

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

It seems almost like a repeat of Terra nullius.

It was supposed to be the final nail in that coffin.

:(

Maybe people have noticed it about me or not but I cannot say I’m happy that the voice has been denied yet again.
Simple was how someone explained it and yes it was and always has been simple but yet it remains too complicated?

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

The question on the referendum was, paraphrased…How about we recognize that there were people living here before the Europeans came? And also, that our parliament sets up a system of getting their views on things that affect them specifically, but only in such a way that it is advice only. The fact that people seemed to want to know the workings suggests they think the parliamentarians – which we voted in – are not capable of coming up with legislation. That’s sort of odd really.

It seems almost like a repeat of Terra nullius.

It was supposed to be the final nail in that coffin.

The question was in two parts, I don’t think there is anyone who disagrees with the first part in acknowledging that some people were already living here when the first Europeans arrived. As I said, people I spoke to didn’t trust that this would be “advice only” in practice.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

It seems almost like a repeat of Terra nullius.

It was supposed to be the final nail in that coffin.

The question was in two parts, I don’t think there is anyone who disagrees with the first part in acknowledging that some people were already living here when the first Europeans arrived. As I said, people I spoke to didn’t trust that this would be “advice only” in practice.

Yeah. Like they actually believed that the Abo’s want all their land back.
Erroneous even from the beginnings of our history in first contact with the local aborigine.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

buffy said:

It was supposed to be the final nail in that coffin.

The question was in two parts, I don’t think there is anyone who disagrees with the first part in acknowledging that some people were already living here when the first Europeans arrived. As I said, people I spoke to didn’t trust that this would be “advice only” in practice.

Yeah. Like they actually believed that the Abo’s want all their land back.
Erroneous even from the beginnings of our history in first contact with the local aborigine.

Nah basically they didn’t want any advice to translate into action, theory into practice, all that¡

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

The question was in two parts, I don’t think there is anyone who disagrees with the first part in acknowledging that some people were already living here when the first Europeans arrived. As I said, people I spoke to didn’t trust that this would be “advice only” in practice.

Yeah. Like they actually believed that the Abo’s want all their land back.
Erroneous even from the beginnings of our history in first contact with the local aborigine.

Nah basically they didn’t want any advice to translate into action, theory into practice, all that¡

dickheads is what you are trying to say?

Anyway, I believe Australian politics should revolve around the multiple shire’s needs.
A living shoreline of saltmarsh and oyster beds is working to protect this town, naturally
ABC South East NSW
/ By James Tugwell

roughbarked said:

Anyway, I believe Australian politics should revolve around the multiple shire’s needs.
A living shoreline of saltmarsh and oyster beds is working to protect this town, naturally
ABC South East NSW
/ By James Tugwell

People will do it. Show them the money trough and they’ll at least fill the form out to get the money.

Woodie said:

Looks like Sir Humphrey is alive and well in Canberra these days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/high-risk-infrastructure-project-funding-axed/103111144

“In a statement, Infrastructure and Transport Minister Catherine King said the government would focus its efforts on projects that would improve productivity and take pressure off inflation.”

I don’t know, I would have thought making electricity supply more sustainable would be worth some consideration as well.

(To be fiar, they did give “sustainability” a passing mention.)

The Rev Dodgson said:

Woodie said:

Looks like Sir Humphrey is alive and well in Canberra these days.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-16/high-risk-infrastructure-project-funding-axed/103111144

“In a statement, Infrastructure and Transport Minister Catherine King said the government would focus its efforts on projects that would improve productivity and take pressure off inflation.”

I don’t know, I would have thought making electricity supply more sustainable would be worth some consideration as well.

(To be fiar, they did give “sustainability” a passing mention.)

In exlpanation, they used the sus word.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Yeah. Like they actually believed that the Abo’s want all their land back.
Erroneous even from the beginnings of our history in first contact with the local aborigine.

Nah basically they didn’t want any advice to translate into action, theory into practice, all that¡

dickheads is what you are trying to say?

Right but we were trying to be polite,

and what are the pollies going to do about this?
Appliance rental store charges disability pensioner $6,760 for phone
7.30
/ By Raveen Hunjan and Lee Robinson
Posted 12m ago

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Nah basically they didn’t want any advice to translate into action, theory into practice, all that¡

dickheads is what you are trying to say?

Right but we were trying to be polite,

link

roughbarked said:

NT chief minister denies Woodside shares are a conflict of interest, amid growing scrutiny

LOL

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

JudgeMental said:

I think it showed how racist and ignorant a lot of australians are. so much for their easy going nature. lol.

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

This.. was quite obvious. In an absence of understanding what the oldest living race of humans actually want.

like I said, ignorant. the info was all out there. people couldn’t be arsed to read it. much easier to believe the racist shit that aligned more with their views. I saw it on lots of FB posts.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

This.. was quite obvious. In an absence of understanding what the oldest living race of humans actually want.

like I said, ignorant. the info was all out there. people couldn’t be arsed to read it. much easier to believe the racist shit that aligned more with their views. I saw it on lots of FB posts.

Exactamundo.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I think a lot of them just wanted to know what they were voting for, how it would actually work, etc. There was a strong whiff of ‘now, just don’t you worry about that’ around it, as if the government didn’t really know, either.

This.. was quite obvious. In an absence of understanding what the oldest living race of humans actually want.

like I said, ignorant. the info was all out there. people couldn’t be arsed to read it. much easier to believe the racist shit that aligned more with their views. I saw it on lots of FB posts.

I didn’t need FB to see because it exists all around me. I am actually an island in a big pile of poo.

Apparently Labor has agreed to Dutton’s amendments to the detention bill.
Good one Pete

Peak Warming Man said:

Apparently Labor has agreed to Dutton’s amendments to the detention bill.
Good one Pete

White Australia policy II – Rich Whities only thanks

Suth Africa have won the toss and will bat first

Peak Warming Man said:

Suth Africa have won the toss and will bat first

I’m tired.

Cymek said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Apparently Labor has agreed to Dutton’s amendments to the detention bill.
Good one Pete

White Australia policy II – Rich Whities only thanks

They could start dishing out machetes and rocks to the communities in Australia to make things more like home I suppose. There’s a widow burning on next week

I hadn’t put this together, but Annabel did…

>>The shocking release of convicted criminals that so enrages Mr Dutton came about because the longstanding practice of indefinite detention (pioneered by the Coalition) was overturned by a High Court dominated by appointees of … the Coalition.<<

From here

buffy said:

I hadn’t put this together, but Annabel did…

>>The shocking release of convicted criminals that so enrages Mr Dutton came about because the longstanding practice of indefinite detention (pioneered by the Coalition) was overturned by a High Court dominated by appointees of … the Coalition.<<

From here

Cool

dv said:

buffy said:

I hadn’t put this together, but Annabel did…

>>The shocking release of convicted criminals that so enrages Mr Dutton came about because the longstanding practice of indefinite detention (pioneered by the Coalition) was overturned by a High Court dominated by appointees of … the Coalition.<<

From here

Cool

Just like in America.

It’s bloody infuriating when people do the jobs that you appointed them to do.

“Plans for the 2032 Brisbane Olympics will be significantly impacted by federal Labor’s “outrageous” infrastructure cuts, the Queensland government says.”

The minister should resign and the Olympic ambassador should be recalled.

bloody Murdoch.

Independent Member for Clark, Andrew Wilkie, asked Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus KC the following in Question Time. Please see above for full question and response.

“Attorney given the catastrophic failings with DNA testing in Queensland and other alarming forensic failures like Keogh in South Australia, Eastman in the ACT and Neill-Fraser in Tasmania;

“…will you take the lead and work with the states and territories to improve and harmonise Australia’s forensic services to restore trust in our criminal justice system?

“This would include reviewing the National Institute of Forensic Science and the National Association of Testing Authorities.”

https://andrewwilkie.org/2023/11/forensic-services-need-their-own-forensic-going-over/

sarahs mum said:

bloody Murdoch.

So what’s he done now to upset poor old roopert?

Met up with lots of overseas leaders?

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

bloody Murdoch.

So what’s he done now to upset poor old roopert?

Met up with lots of overseas leaders?

and I have just learned that Sky News Australia is a totally separate entity from Sky News UK.

Here is the list of road and rail projects that lost federal funding in the recent review.

NSW
Blaxland Road/Balaclava Road intersection improvements
Bruxner Highway – Wollongbar to Goonellabah
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – Kingswood
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – St Marys
Commuter carpark upgrade – Woy Woy
Great Western Highway upgrade – Katoomba to Lithgow. Construction of east and west sections
Gwydir Highway improvements – planning
M7-M12 interchange
Mulgoa Road stage 2
Northern NSW inland port – Narrabri
Oxley Highway stage 2 – planning
Remembrance Driveway corridor upgrade – Camden Council
Southern Connector Road, Jindabyne
Sydney to Newcastle – Tuggerah-Wyong faster rail upgrade
Toowoomba to Seymour – Moree intermodal overpass
Werrington Arterial stage 2 – planning
Western City Road Transport Network Development – planning

—-

Some key disappoints there would be the Moree overpass, and the inland port facilities at Narrabri. Some GHGs would be saved by the latter. I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.

—-

QLD

Beenleigh Station commuter carpark, Beenleigh
Emu Swamp Dam supporting infrastructure, Stanthorpe
High Road and Easterly Street, Waterford, upgrade
Kenmore roundabout upgrade
Loganlea Station commuter carpark
Mooloolah River interchange upgrade (packages 1 and 2)
New England Highway upgrade, Cabarlah
Nicklin Way-Third Avenue connection, Caloundra
Tennant Creek to Townsville corridor upgrade – Dingo Park Road intersection upgrade

—-

Bits and bobs, seems Qld got off lightly.

—-

Victoria
Business Case for Melbourne inland rail intermodal terminal
Calder Freeway-Gap Road to the M80 ring road
Camberwell Road / Monteath Avenue / Redern Road intersection upgrade
Frankston to Baxter rail upgrade
Geelong fast rail
Goulburn Valley Highway-Shepparton bypass stage 1
Improving connectivity to Port of Melbourne – business case
McKoy Street – Hume Freeway intersection upgrade
Mornington Peninsula Freeway upgrade
Rutherglen heavy vehicle alternative route
Victorian faster rail corridor investigations
Western Freeway Upgrade – M80 Ring Road to Ferris Road

—-

Geelong fast rail is a disappointment.
Not sure what they mean by saying they are not funding the business case for the Inland Rail Intermodal terminal… I assume the thing is still getting built .

—-

South Australia
Hahndorf Township improvements and access upgrade
Main South Road productivity package
Old Belair Road upgrade, Mitcham
Onkaparinga Valley Road-Tiers Road-Nairne Road intersection upgrade
Truro bypass

Western Australia
Future road and rail connections to Perth
Great Southern secondary freight network
Marble Bar Road upgrade
Moorine Rock to Mt Holland Road upgrades
Pinjarra Heavy Haulage Deviation – stages 1 and 2

Tasmania
Old Surrey Road/Massy-Greene Drive upgrade

Australian Capital Territory
Inner Canberra corridor planning package

Northern Territory
No projects

dv said:

Here is the list of road and rail projects that lost federal funding in the recent review.

NSW
Blaxland Road/Balaclava Road intersection improvements
Bruxner Highway – Wollongbar to Goonellabah
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – Kingswood
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – St Marys
Commuter carpark upgrade – Woy Woy
Great Western Highway upgrade – Katoomba to Lithgow. Construction of east and west sections
Gwydir Highway improvements – planning
M7-M12 interchange
Mulgoa Road stage 2
Northern NSW inland port – Narrabri
Oxley Highway stage 2 – planning
Remembrance Driveway corridor upgrade – Camden Council
Southern Connector Road, Jindabyne
Sydney to Newcastle – Tuggerah-Wyong faster rail upgrade
Toowoomba to Seymour – Moree intermodal overpass
Werrington Arterial stage 2 – planning
Western City Road Transport Network Development – planning

—-

Some key disappoints there would be the Moree overpass, and the inland port facilities at Narrabri. Some GHGs would be saved by the latter. I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.

—-

QLD

Beenleigh Station commuter carpark, Beenleigh
Emu Swamp Dam supporting infrastructure, Stanthorpe
High Road and Easterly Street, Waterford, upgrade
Kenmore roundabout upgrade
Loganlea Station commuter carpark
Mooloolah River interchange upgrade (packages 1 and 2)
New England Highway upgrade, Cabarlah
Nicklin Way-Third Avenue connection, Caloundra
Tennant Creek to Townsville corridor upgrade – Dingo Park Road intersection upgrade

—-

Bits and bobs, seems Qld got off lightly.

—-

Victoria
Business Case for Melbourne inland rail intermodal terminal
Calder Freeway-Gap Road to the M80 ring road
Camberwell Road / Monteath Avenue / Redern Road intersection upgrade
Frankston to Baxter rail upgrade
Geelong fast rail
Goulburn Valley Highway-Shepparton bypass stage 1
Improving connectivity to Port of Melbourne – business case
McKoy Street – Hume Freeway intersection upgrade
Mornington Peninsula Freeway upgrade
Rutherglen heavy vehicle alternative route
Victorian faster rail corridor investigations
Western Freeway Upgrade – M80 Ring Road to Ferris Road

—-

Geelong fast rail is a disappointment.
Not sure what they mean by saying they are not funding the business case for the Inland Rail Intermodal terminal… I assume the thing is still getting built .

—-

South Australia
Hahndorf Township improvements and access upgrade
Main South Road productivity package
Old Belair Road upgrade, Mitcham
Onkaparinga Valley Road-Tiers Road-Nairne Road intersection upgrade
Truro bypass

Western Australia
Future road and rail connections to Perth
Great Southern secondary freight network
Marble Bar Road upgrade
Moorine Rock to Mt Holland Road upgrades
Pinjarra Heavy Haulage Deviation – stages 1 and 2

Tasmania
Old Surrey Road/Massy-Greene Drive upgrade

Australian Capital Territory
Inner Canberra corridor planning package

Northern Territory
No projects

“I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.”

Didn’t know that.

To be extended to Wollongong I trust.

Am I right in thinking this review was done by an independent group, and they are not actually reducing infrastructure spending?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Here is the list of road and rail projects that lost federal funding in the recent review.

NSW
Blaxland Road/Balaclava Road intersection improvements
Bruxner Highway – Wollongbar to Goonellabah
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – Kingswood
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – St Marys
Commuter carpark upgrade – Woy Woy
Great Western Highway upgrade – Katoomba to Lithgow. Construction of east and west sections
Gwydir Highway improvements – planning
M7-M12 interchange
Mulgoa Road stage 2
Northern NSW inland port – Narrabri
Oxley Highway stage 2 – planning
Remembrance Driveway corridor upgrade – Camden Council
Southern Connector Road, Jindabyne
Sydney to Newcastle – Tuggerah-Wyong faster rail upgrade
Toowoomba to Seymour – Moree intermodal overpass
Werrington Arterial stage 2 – planning
Western City Road Transport Network Development – planning

—-

Some key disappoints there would be the Moree overpass, and the inland port facilities at Narrabri. Some GHGs would be saved by the latter. I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.

—-

QLD

Beenleigh Station commuter carpark, Beenleigh
Emu Swamp Dam supporting infrastructure, Stanthorpe
High Road and Easterly Street, Waterford, upgrade
Kenmore roundabout upgrade
Loganlea Station commuter carpark
Mooloolah River interchange upgrade (packages 1 and 2)
New England Highway upgrade, Cabarlah
Nicklin Way-Third Avenue connection, Caloundra
Tennant Creek to Townsville corridor upgrade – Dingo Park Road intersection upgrade

—-

Bits and bobs, seems Qld got off lightly.

—-

Victoria
Business Case for Melbourne inland rail intermodal terminal
Calder Freeway-Gap Road to the M80 ring road
Camberwell Road / Monteath Avenue / Redern Road intersection upgrade
Frankston to Baxter rail upgrade
Geelong fast rail
Goulburn Valley Highway-Shepparton bypass stage 1
Improving connectivity to Port of Melbourne – business case
McKoy Street – Hume Freeway intersection upgrade
Mornington Peninsula Freeway upgrade
Rutherglen heavy vehicle alternative route
Victorian faster rail corridor investigations
Western Freeway Upgrade – M80 Ring Road to Ferris Road

—-

Geelong fast rail is a disappointment.
Not sure what they mean by saying they are not funding the business case for the Inland Rail Intermodal terminal… I assume the thing is still getting built .

—-

South Australia
Hahndorf Township improvements and access upgrade
Main South Road productivity package
Old Belair Road upgrade, Mitcham
Onkaparinga Valley Road-Tiers Road-Nairne Road intersection upgrade
Truro bypass

Western Australia
Future road and rail connections to Perth
Great Southern secondary freight network
Marble Bar Road upgrade
Moorine Rock to Mt Holland Road upgrades
Pinjarra Heavy Haulage Deviation – stages 1 and 2

Tasmania
Old Surrey Road/Massy-Greene Drive upgrade

Australian Capital Territory
Inner Canberra corridor planning package

Northern Territory
No projects

“I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.”

Didn’t know that.

To be extended to Wollongong I trust.

Am I right in thinking this review was done by an independent group, and they are not actually reducing infrastructure spending?

You are wrong in thinking that. This was a review by the Federal government and the loss of funding amounts to $12 billion.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Here is the list of road and rail projects that lost federal funding in the recent review.

NSW
Blaxland Road/Balaclava Road intersection improvements
Bruxner Highway – Wollongbar to Goonellabah
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – Kingswood
Commuter carpark upgrade – T1 North Shore, Northern and Western Line – St Marys
Commuter carpark upgrade – Woy Woy
Great Western Highway upgrade – Katoomba to Lithgow. Construction of east and west sections
Gwydir Highway improvements – planning
M7-M12 interchange
Mulgoa Road stage 2
Northern NSW inland port – Narrabri
Oxley Highway stage 2 – planning
Remembrance Driveway corridor upgrade – Camden Council
Southern Connector Road, Jindabyne
Sydney to Newcastle – Tuggerah-Wyong faster rail upgrade
Toowoomba to Seymour – Moree intermodal overpass
Werrington Arterial stage 2 – planning
Western City Road Transport Network Development – planning

—-

Some key disappoints there would be the Moree overpass, and the inland port facilities at Narrabri. Some GHGs would be saved by the latter. I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.

—-

QLD

Beenleigh Station commuter carpark, Beenleigh
Emu Swamp Dam supporting infrastructure, Stanthorpe
High Road and Easterly Street, Waterford, upgrade
Kenmore roundabout upgrade
Loganlea Station commuter carpark
Mooloolah River interchange upgrade (packages 1 and 2)
New England Highway upgrade, Cabarlah
Nicklin Way-Third Avenue connection, Caloundra
Tennant Creek to Townsville corridor upgrade – Dingo Park Road intersection upgrade

—-

Bits and bobs, seems Qld got off lightly.

—-

Victoria
Business Case for Melbourne inland rail intermodal terminal
Calder Freeway-Gap Road to the M80 ring road
Camberwell Road / Monteath Avenue / Redern Road intersection upgrade
Frankston to Baxter rail upgrade
Geelong fast rail
Goulburn Valley Highway-Shepparton bypass stage 1
Improving connectivity to Port of Melbourne – business case
McKoy Street – Hume Freeway intersection upgrade
Mornington Peninsula Freeway upgrade
Rutherglen heavy vehicle alternative route
Victorian faster rail corridor investigations
Western Freeway Upgrade – M80 Ring Road to Ferris Road

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Geelong fast rail is a disappointment.
Not sure what they mean by saying they are not funding the business case for the Inland Rail Intermodal terminal… I assume the thing is still getting built .

—-

South Australia
Hahndorf Township improvements and access upgrade
Main South Road productivity package
Old Belair Road upgrade, Mitcham
Onkaparinga Valley Road-Tiers Road-Nairne Road intersection upgrade
Truro bypass

Western Australia
Future road and rail connections to Perth
Great Southern secondary freight network
Marble Bar Road upgrade
Moorine Rock to Mt Holland Road upgrades
Pinjarra Heavy Haulage Deviation – stages 1 and 2

Tasmania
Old Surrey Road/Massy-Greene Drive upgrade

Australian Capital Territory
Inner Canberra corridor planning package

Northern Territory
No projects

“I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.”

Didn’t know that.

To be extended to Wollongong I trust.

Am I right in thinking this review was done by an independent group, and they are not actually reducing infrastructure spending?

You are wrong in thinking that. This was a review by the Federal government and the loss of funding amounts to $12 billion.

OK, so the independent bit was just my assumption that the review would be done by some public service body.

But I’m sure I read somewhere that the money would be diverted into other infrastructure projects.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

“I can understand the axing of the Newcastle speed up since they are building a high speed rail link anyway.”

Didn’t know that.

To be extended to Wollongong I trust.

Am I right in thinking this review was done by an independent group, and they are not actually reducing infrastructure spending?

You are wrong in thinking that. This was a review by the Federal government and the loss of funding amounts to $12 billion.

OK, so the independent bit was just my assumption that the review would be done by some public service body.

But I’m sure I read somewhere that the money would be diverted into other infrastructure projects.

I misread your question, they have indicated that there will be no reduction in infrastructure spending.

However, other comments seem to indicate that these changes will reduce future increases? Otherwise, for instance, the following makes no sense.

“The review, unveiled by Infrastructure Minister Catherine King in Canberra on Thursday, found the former government’s approach did not reflect “current market capacity”, given infrastructure expenditure is projected to continue growing. “

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

You are wrong in thinking that. This was a review by the Federal government and the loss of funding amounts to $12 billion.

OK, so the independent bit was just my assumption that the review would be done by some public service body.

But I’m sure I read somewhere that the money would be diverted into other infrastructure projects.

I misread your question, they have indicated that there will be no reduction in infrastructure spending.

However, other comments seem to indicate that these changes will reduce future increases? Otherwise, for instance, the following makes no sense.

“The review, unveiled by Infrastructure Minister Catherine King in Canberra on Thursday, found the former government’s approach did not reflect “current market capacity”, given infrastructure expenditure is projected to continue growing. “

Oh well.

They will have to increase infrastructure spending, and increase taxes, soon enough to do all the stuff that needs to be donne to reduce GHG emissions.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK, so the independent bit was just my assumption that the review would be done by some public service body.

But I’m sure I read somewhere that the money would be diverted into other infrastructure projects.

I misread your question, they have indicated that there will be no reduction in infrastructure spending.

However, other comments seem to indicate that these changes will reduce future increases? Otherwise, for instance, the following makes no sense.

“The review, unveiled by Infrastructure Minister Catherine King in Canberra on Thursday, found the former government’s approach did not reflect “current market capacity”, given infrastructure expenditure is projected to continue growing. “

Oh well.

They will have to increase infrastructure spending, and increase taxes, soon enough to do all the stuff that needs to be donne to reduce GHG emissions.

They still haven’t really addressed the fact that federal revenue is not well-linked to growth.

Undoing His Legacy

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUp9B4pQEk

sarahs mum said:

Undoing His Legacy

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUp9B4pQEk

@hebonky7495
10 minutes ago
Calling sky news “performance art” is a little bit too generous.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Undoing His Legacy

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUp9B4pQEk

@hebonky7495
10 minutes ago
Calling sky news “performance art” is a little bit too generous.

I’d call Sky News “base propaganda at its most shitty and shameless”.

Narrabri inland port. Is that the name of a wine?

roughbarked said:

Narrabri inland port. Is that the name of a wine?

Most amusing

There is a by election in the division of Mulgrave tomorrow to elect replace Dan Andrews. Shouldn’t be particularly close.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Narrabri inland port. Is that the name of a wine?

Most amusing

It pleases me that you thought so.

QUT claims the suitability assessment is based on the Queensland Public Service Commission’s hiring strategy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-17/qut-defends-removing-merit-from-hiring-policy/103114562

So maybe we’re idiots but of all the possible stakeholders,

The ABC attempted to reach the QUT Liberal National Club and Young LNP for comment.

why the fuck these specific¿

SCIENCE said:

QUT claims the suitability assessment is based on the Queensland Public Service Commission’s hiring strategy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-17/qut-defends-removing-merit-from-hiring-policy/103114562

So maybe we’re idiots but of all the possible stakeholders,

The ABC attempted to reach the QUT Liberal National Club and Young LNP for comment.

why the fuck these specific¿

So Nobody Knows What A Surprise

SCIENCE said:

“Australia is now looking to jail the first person in relation to war crimes in Afghanistan, except it is not a war criminal but a person who helped expose them.”

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

QUT claims the suitability assessment is based on the Queensland Public Service Commission’s hiring strategy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-17/qut-defends-removing-merit-from-hiring-policy/103114562

So maybe we’re idiots but of all the possible stakeholders,

The ABC attempted to reach the QUT Liberal National Club and Young LNP for comment.

why the fuck these specific¿

So Nobody Knows What A Surprise

To try to stir up controversy?

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

“Australia is now looking to jail the first person in relation to war crimes in Afghanistan, except it is not a war criminal but a person who helped expose them.”

Yeah.

:( :( :( :(

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

“Australia is now looking to jail the first person in relation to war crimes in Afghanistan, except it is not a war criminal but a person who helped expose them.”

Yeah.

:( :( :( :(

?
So we let the detainees out and jail the whistleblowers?

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

SCIENCE said:

“Australia is now looking to jail the first person in relation to war crimes in Afghanistan, except it is not a war criminal but a person who helped expose them.”

Yeah.

:( :( :( :(

?
So we let the detainees out and jail the whistleblowers?

As long as you
Don’t rock the boat
You can stop them
All you like

I note that before they lost the election, “We are the best financial managers” after the election it is “Coalitiion seats face the biggest funding cuts”. So in reality it was all pork barrelling with money they didn’t have.

Bloody!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-18/confusion-over-high-court-indefinite-detention-ruling-response/103119836

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-17/fact-check-airbus-albo-international-trips-coalition/103113758

Ahead of this week’s APEC summit in San Francisco, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese faced stinging criticism for elevating his supposed penchant for international travel above solving domestic issues.

Coalition efforts to paint Mr Albanese as ‘Airbus Albo’ began within five weeks of the 2022 election, as the newly sworn-in prime minister was planning to make his third rapid-fire overseas visit.

So, how does he compare to other recent PMs?

Including his current jaunt, Mr Albanese’s tally of overseas prime ministerial trips has risen to 18 since he was elected roughly 18 months ago.

That nudges him slightly ahead of former prime ministers Scott Morrison (17 trips) and Tony Abbott (16) at the same point in their tenure.

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-17/fact-check-airbus-albo-international-trips-coalition/103113758

Ahead of this week’s APEC summit in San Francisco, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese faced stinging criticism for elevating his supposed penchant for international travel above solving domestic issues.

Coalition efforts to paint Mr Albanese as ‘Airbus Albo’ began within five weeks of the 2022 election, as the newly sworn-in prime minister was planning to make his third rapid-fire overseas visit.

So, how does he compare to other recent PMs?

Including his current jaunt, Mr Albanese’s tally of overseas prime ministerial trips has risen to 18 since he was elected roughly 18 months ago.

That nudges him slightly ahead of former prime ministers Scott Morrison (17 trips) and Tony Abbott (16) at the same point in their tenure.

I remember back in the 1970s when Whitlam was accused of the same thing, by much the same sorts of people and media.

I wonder if George Christensen still the chief seat warmer on airliners between Australia and the Philippines, now that he’s not in Parliament?

If you have a go, do you get a go?
And speaking of frustration, the former prime minister Scott Morrison is bored of sitting on the backbench and feels as if he has done his time in silence – so you’ll be hearing a lot more from him from now on. Sources close to Morrison say his exit from politics is shelved for the time being. The private sector has not exactly been beating down his door and the speaking circuit has a full roster of former leaders wanting to inform well-paying guests how they’d respond to global and domestic issues. Not only has the New Daily noted his increased profile in recent weeks, Dutton was photographed chatting to his predecessor in the chamber on Thursday. This is the political version of a hard launch.

But the biggest sign Morrison feels he has done his penance isn’t in the media interviews, the tour de regret documentaries or the brotherhood of the travelling former prime ministers – it’s in his question time interjections. Morrison has gone from silent and glued to his iPhone with his head stuck in papers to heckling while glued to his iPhone with his head stuck in papers.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/nov/18/the-week-in-parliament-political-debate-sinks-to-new-lows-as-scott-morrison-begins-hard-relaunch

sarahs mum said:

LOLOLOLOL

sarahs mum said:

‘…former leaders wanting to inform well-paying guests how they’d respond to global and domestic issues.’

‘How would you respond to a major domestic emergency?’

Go on holiday to somewhere nice.

How would you react to a global crisis, impacting populations around the world?

Get on a tax-payer funded air force jet and go to Europe to do some digging into my family tree. And some shopping.

Yeah, nah, who else has the agency got?

Those who support mutual obligations, which includes successive governments, have stood by the system amid criticism.

“There is strong international and Australian evidence that mutual obligation requirements speed entry into employment,” the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations wrote in a submission to a parliamentary inquiry earlier this year.

“ also help target income support payments to those who are genuinely unable to support themselves.”

However, others say mutual obligations are a stressor that often lowers job search capability.

“There are questions about whether this system … actually helps people find work, because there’s evidence mounting ,” Dr Klein said.

Research has suggested those doing mutual obligations can take longer to become re-employed and spend less time in employment compared to those not doing mutual obligations — and if they did find work, it was in comparatively “lower quality” jobs.

When mutual obligations were temporarily lifted at the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, a survey of JobSeeker recipients indicated they were able to interact more meaningfully with the labour market.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/factors-impacting-unemployment/103048120

Hey serious question which we notify in advance, but something we in our lack of intellect aren’t quite understanding.

Earlier in court, McBride’s defence was that the over-investigation, as he saw it, of special forces soldiers in Afghanistan may have been illegal. He believed he had a duty to disclose information in the public interest because of the oath he swore to the queen when he joined the military.

So was this guy raising concerns that war crimes may have been committed and the investigations were strongly suggesting that was the case,

or was this guy raising concerns that investigations for war crimes were excessive and we shouldn’t be looking for evidence of war crimes¿

I’m not really sure if this should be in this thread. But…the numbers are vastly different at the marches and picnics being held here around the Gaza situation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/pro-palestinian-pro-israeli-rallies-across-australia/103123204

And while I think of it…when this started, there were quite a lot of Gazans at work over the border in Israel who were not able to return home. I wonder how they have been faring – in some ways they also are hostages.

buffy said:

I’m not really sure if this should be in this thread. But…the numbers are vastly different at the marches and picnics being held here around the Gaza situation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/pro-palestinian-pro-israeli-rallies-across-australia/103123204

And while I think of it…when this started, there were quite a lot of Gazans at work over the border in Israel who were not able to return home. I wonder how they have been faring – in some ways they also are hostages.

Paid hostages¿

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I’m not really sure if this should be in this thread. But…the numbers are vastly different at the marches and picnics being held here around the Gaza situation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/pro-palestinian-pro-israeli-rallies-across-australia/103123204

And while I think of it…when this started, there were quite a lot of Gazans at work over the border in Israel who were not able to return home. I wonder how they have been faring – in some ways they also are hostages.

Paid hostages¿

Well, last I saw in the news, a day or so after the raids of the music festival and kibbutz, they had been put into a hall somewhere. Like gathered up from the work sites and put into a hall.

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

I’m not really sure if this should be in this thread. But…the numbers are vastly different at the marches and picnics being held here around the Gaza situation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-19/pro-palestinian-pro-israeli-rallies-across-australia/103123204

And while I think of it…when this started, there were quite a lot of Gazans at work over the border in Israel who were not able to return home. I wonder how they have been faring – in some ways they also are hostages.

Paid hostages¿

Well, last I saw in the news, a day or so after the raids of the music festival and kibbutz, they had been put into a hall somewhere. Like gathered up from the work sites and put into a hall.

Ah, internment then, we hadn’t heard this time around but sounds bad.

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

SCIENCE said:

Paid hostages¿

Well, last I saw in the news, a day or so after the raids of the music festival and kibbutz, they had been put into a hall somewhere. Like gathered up from the work sites and put into a hall.

Ah, internment then, we hadn’t heard this time around but sounds bad.

Possibly some concern for their safety mixed in there, too.

Being a Palestinian ‘on the loose’ in an Israeli town would NOT have been the safest identity in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas attack.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well, last I saw in the news, a day or so after the raids of the music festival and kibbutz, they had been put into a hall somewhere. Like gathered up from the work sites and put into a hall.

Ah, internment then, we hadn’t heard this time around but sounds bad.

Possibly some concern for their safety mixed in there, too.

Being a Palestinian ‘on the loose’ in an Israeli town would NOT have been the safest identity in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas attack.

Agree.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

buffy said:

Well, last I saw in the news, a day or so after the raids of the music festival and kibbutz, they had been put into a hall somewhere. Like gathered up from the work sites and put into a hall.

Ah, internment then, we hadn’t heard this time around but sounds bad.

Possibly some concern for their safety mixed in there, too.

Being a Palestinian ‘on the loose’ in an Israeli town would NOT have been the safest identity in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas attack.

Possibly, there must be some propaganda value in showing the world how well you’re treating your captives in contrast to your opponents, surely.

Ain’t Got Nothin’ On Hamas

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/nsw-sydney-new-complex-motorway-rozelle-interchange/103103666

But Still Plenty Of People Condemning WasteConnex

SCIENCE said:

Ain’t Got Nothin’ On Hamas

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/nsw-sydney-new-complex-motorway-rozelle-interchange/103103666

But Still Plenty Of People Condemning WasteConnex

Send Israel in to bomb it.

SCIENCE said:

Ain’t Got Nothin’ On Hamas

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/nsw-sydney-new-complex-motorway-rozelle-interchange/103103666

But Still Plenty Of People Condemning WasteConnex

“In total, about 20,000 construction workers have been involved in the project since building began four years ago.”

If they counted the people who sit on their arse and play with a computer, that includes me.

Good News¡ Supply Problems Solved¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/job-ads-dive-in-australia-s-most-populous-states/103119460

by decreasing demand

The Economy Must Grown¡

SCIENCE said:

Good News¡ Supply Problems Solved¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/job-ads-dive-in-australia-s-most-populous-states/103119460

by decreasing demand

The Economy Must Groan¡

Fixed.

In short:
•A new report argues Australian private schools are overfunded by $800 million this year while there is a funding shortfall of $4.5 billion for public schools.
•The Australian Education Union says not one of Tasmania’s public schools receives what governments have agreed is the minimum level of funding, and all of its private schools are overfunded.
•What’s next? The Australian Education Union says Tasmania’s educational performance — which lags other states — will not increase without proper funding of public schools.

Report reveals growing funding divide between the haves and have-nots across the nation’s education system

roughbarked said:

In short:
•A new report argues Australian private schools are overfunded by $800 million this year while there is a funding shortfall of $4.5 billion for public schools.
•The Australian Education Union says not one of Tasmania’s public schools receives what governments have agreed is the minimum level of funding, and all of its private schools are overfunded.
•What’s next? The Australian Education Union says Tasmania’s educational performance — which lags other states — will not increase without proper funding of public schools.

Report reveals growing funding divide between the haves and have-nots across the nation’s education system

But how can Australia emulate the distinguished class system of the Mother Cuntry without generous support of private schools?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

In short:
•A new report argues Australian private schools are overfunded by $800 million this year while there is a funding shortfall of $4.5 billion for public schools.
•The Australian Education Union says not one of Tasmania’s public schools receives what governments have agreed is the minimum level of funding, and all of its private schools are overfunded.
•What’s next? The Australian Education Union says Tasmania’s educational performance — which lags other states — will not increase without proper funding of public schools.

Report reveals growing funding divide between the haves and have-nots across the nation’s education system

But how can Australia emulate the distinguished class system of the Mother Cuntry without generous support of private schools?

By becoming a republic, we could perchance leave all that shyte behind us?

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

In short:
•A new report argues Australian private schools are overfunded by $800 million this year while there is a funding shortfall of $4.5 billion for public schools.
•The Australian Education Union says not one of Tasmania’s public schools receives what governments have agreed is the minimum level of funding, and all of its private schools are overfunded.
•What’s next? The Australian Education Union says Tasmania’s educational performance — which lags other states — will not increase without proper funding of public schools.

Report reveals growing funding divide between the haves and have-nots across the nation’s education system

But how can Australia emulate the distinguished class system of the Mother Cuntry without generous support of private schools?

By becoming a republic, we could perchance leave all that shyte behind us?

The US is a republic, and there’s underfunded public schools and wealthy private schools there, too.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But how can Australia emulate the distinguished class system of the Mother Cuntry without generous support of private schools?

By becoming a republic, we could perchance leave all that shyte behind us?

The US is a republic, and there’s underfunded public schools and wealthy private schools there, too.

OK. So chuck that idea then. :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

In short:
•A new report argues Australian private schools are overfunded by $800 million this year while there is a funding shortfall of $4.5 billion for public schools.
•The Australian Education Union says not one of Tasmania’s public schools receives what governments have agreed is the minimum level of funding, and all of its private schools are overfunded.
•What’s next? The Australian Education Union says Tasmania’s educational performance — which lags other states — will not increase without proper funding of public schools.

Report reveals growing funding divide between the haves and have-nots across the nation’s education system

But how can Australia emulate the distinguished class system of the Mother Cuntry without generous support of private schools?

I don’t think elite schools in the UK receive any public funding.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

In short:
•A new report argues Australian private schools are overfunded by $800 million this year while there is a funding shortfall of $4.5 billion for public schools.
•The Australian Education Union says not one of Tasmania’s public schools receives what governments have agreed is the minimum level of funding, and all of its private schools are overfunded.
•What’s next? The Australian Education Union says Tasmania’s educational performance — which lags other states — will not increase without proper funding of public schools.

Report reveals growing funding divide between the haves and have-nots across the nation’s education system

But how can Australia emulate the distinguished class system of the Mother Cuntry without generous support of private schools?

I don’t think elite schools in the UK receive any public funding.

So, our ‘elite’ are a jump ahead of their counterparts in ‘the old country’.

The fees charged by our private schools keep out the riff-raff, and they can also provide even better facilities than the fees would afford, thanks to government funding.

How to have your cake, and eat it, too.

As i understand it, government funding for private schools goes back to the earylish-/middlish-19th century, when colonial governments weren’t really all that interested in setting up a school system, so they gave the job to churches, especially the Anglican church, and subsidised whatever the churches would provide with money and land grants, which is how the Anglican church came to own a large swathe of what is now inner-city Sydney, among other places. And the money has been paid to the churches ever since.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But how can Australia emulate the distinguished class system of the Mother Cuntry without generous support of private schools?

By becoming a republic, we could perchance leave all that shyte behind us?

The US is a republic, and there’s underfunded public schools and wealthy private schools there, too.

The US France and Hati are republics and don’t get me started on the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
All busted arse countries.

captain_spalding said:

As i understand it, government funding for private schools goes back to the earylish-/middlish-19th century, when colonial governments weren’t really all that interested in setting up a school system, so they gave the job to churches, especially the Anglican church, and subsidised whatever the churches would provide with money and land grants, which is how the Anglican church came to own a large swathe of what is now inner-city Sydney, among other places. And the money has been paid to the churches ever since.

I dunno about that. The system as it now is mainly started with Whitlam establishing funding for poor Catholic schools which did much to end the DLP as a political force.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

By becoming a republic, we could perchance leave all that shyte behind us?

The US is a republic, and there’s underfunded public schools and wealthy private schools there, too.

The US France and Hati are republics and don’t get me started on the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
All busted arse countries.

And the French can’t even speak English FFS.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

The US is a republic, and there’s underfunded public schools and wealthy private schools there, too.

The US France and Hati are republics and don’t get me started on the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
All busted arse countries.

And the French can’t even speak English FFS.

:)

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

As i understand it, government funding for private schools goes back to the earylish-/middlish-19th century, when colonial governments weren’t really all that interested in setting up a school system, so they gave the job to churches, especially the Anglican church, and subsidised whatever the churches would provide with money and land grants, which is how the Anglican church came to own a large swathe of what is now inner-city Sydney, among other places. And the money has been paid to the churches ever since.

I dunno about that. The system as it now is mainly started with Whitlam establishing funding for poor Catholic schools which did much to end the DLP as a political force.

Not quite on the money, so to speak.

There was, indeed, government funding for denominational schools in the 19th century. (see, for example, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284936124_%27Money_Made_Us%27_A_Short_History_of_Government_Funds_for_Australian_Schools, and https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/free-education-introduced and ‘Education Prior to 1872’ https://www.emelbourne.net.au/biogs/EM00507b.htm)

That funding was ended by all the colonies in the late 19th century, beginning with Victoria’s ‘Education Act 1872’. Private schools were without Federal government funds for many years afterwards.

It was Robert Menzies who saw a chance to capture the votes of Catholic voters, and in 1964 the Menzies government passed an Act that brought in federal funding for independent and religious schools. This happened after decades of lobbying by Catholic schools.

ALP only 3.4% ahead, this their worst status since the 2022 election.

dv said:

ALP only 3.4% ahead, this their worst status since the 2022 election.

Typical corruption¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-21/nsw-police-daniel-keneally-court-guilty-evidence/103129882

Well, there’s a surprise…

Emergency powers regarding people released from immigration facing High Court challenge, less than a week after passing parliament

buffy said:

Well, there’s a surprise…

Emergency powers regarding people released from immigration facing High Court challenge, less than a week after passing parliament

Democracy Doin’ Its Thing ¡

Ah yes

Under legislation expected to be introduced to parliament in the next fortnight, television manufacturers would be forced to ensure free Australian services sit at the top of the queue for viewers.

we’ve heard

The Australian Subscription Television and Radio Association (ASTRA) is leading the campaign against the proposal. “Prominence means that a group of providers will get some sort of special access or dominance at the expense of another,” said Patrick Delany, ASTRA chairman and chief executive of Foxtel. “If you’re doing roadblocks or preferred apps, and manipulating search results — I’m sorry, but that’s control, and we’re not hearing any differently from the government,” Mr Delany said.

this one before, it’s called “defending free speech“¡

Wait.

The court heard Mr Davis had been drinking “a substantial amount” at the time of committing the offence, having checked into a room at The Star hotel in Pyrmont.

The Crown opposed Mr Davis’s application to have the matter dismissed under mental health legislation but conceded “there is a mental illness”.

The magistrate said this was one of the occasions where a person “labouring under mental health affliction could be diverted from the justice system for the benefit of the defendant but also for the community”.

Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton raised the prospect of a “catastrophic outcome” as the result of Palestinians receiving visitor visas to come to Australia amid the Israel-Gaza war.

He would say that.

roughbarked said:

Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton raised the prospect of a “catastrophic outcome” as the result of Palestinians receiving visitor visas to come to Australia amid the Israel-Gaza war.

He would say that.

It’s true that peace is a catastrophic outcome for warmongers and disaster capitalists.

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I wanted to go the moratorium march. But I was sure somehow Dad would see me and that would not have been a good thing.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I wanted to go the moratorium march. But I was sure somehow Dad would see me and that would not have been a good thing.

My mother wanted to go, but she had four of us under 10 years of age. It wasn’t possible.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I wanted to go the moratorium march. But I was sure somehow Dad would see me and that would not have been a good thing.

My mother wanted to go, but she had four of us under 10 years of age. It wasn’t possible.

Mum went and think she took some of the older kids with her.

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I was saved from Vietnam by Gough winning the ‘lection.
The moratorium marches showed which way they’d vote.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I was saved from Vietnam by Gough winning the ‘lection.
The moratorium marches showed which way they’d vote.

I knew a bloke who avoided Vietnam by joining the RAN Reserve. He was sure that his birthday would be drawn.

The final hurdle was the interview.

‘Why do you want to join the RANR?’, they asked him.

‘If i don’t, the Army will conscript me, send me to Vietnam, and the Viet Cong will kill me.’

“hmmph..sounds like a good reason. All right, you’re in. If the Army starts bothering you, tell ‘em you belong to us.’

His birthday was drawn.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I wanted to go the moratorium march. But I was sure somehow Dad would see me and that would not have been a good thing.

My mother wanted to go, but she had four of us under 10 years of age. It wasn’t possible.

I went to all of the moratorium marches held in Melbourne. It was a strange experience sitting down in the middle of a city intersection.

(Don’t mind me .. I’m just catching up on the day’s reading.)

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I was saved from Vietnam by Gough winning the ‘lection.
The moratorium marches showed which way they’d vote.

In the last year or so before the election of the Whitlam government, the mood in the electorate was beginning to change away from being gung-ho (sorry) about Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War.

There’d already been court cases involving people who’d refused to register for the Draft and who, subsequently were sentenced to two years’ jail. One name I still remember was Simon Townsend, later of the TV series ‘Simon Townsend’s Wonder World’.

I knew of other draft resisters who kept relatively low profiles. One, who lived in inner Melbourne, told of having the Federal Police drive along his street about once a week, checking out his house. He said he would, occasionally, offer them a friendly wave. They just kept on driving past the house.

You were generally okay if you kept quiet and didn’t make a nuisance of yourself.

AussieDJ said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I was saved from Vietnam by Gough winning the ‘lection.
The moratorium marches showed which way they’d vote.

In the last year or so before the election of the Whitlam government, the mood in the electorate was beginning to change away from being gung-ho (sorry) about Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War.

There’d already been court cases involving people who’d refused to register for the Draft and who, subsequently were sentenced to two years’ jail. One name I still remember was Simon Townsend, later of the TV series ‘Simon Townsend’s Wonder World’.

I knew of other draft resisters who kept relatively low profiles. One, who lived in inner Melbourne, told of having the Federal Police drive along his street about once a week, checking out his house. He said he would, occasionally, offer them a friendly wave. They just kept on driving past the house.

You were generally okay if you kept quiet and didn’t make a nuisance of yourself.

It was a nasty time indeed. Males were genuinely concerned that they’d be sent to a war that had no meaning, before they were allowed to vote against such crimes. They were made criminals if they objected and the ones who went to that murderous fisaco came home to no heroes welcome.
I also know of people from the USA who escaped to here and changed their names

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I was saved from Vietnam by Gough winning the ‘lection.
The moratorium marches showed which way they’d vote.

I knew a bloke who avoided Vietnam by joining the RAN Reserve. He was sure that his birthday would be drawn.

The final hurdle was the interview.

‘Why do you want to join the RANR?’, they asked him.

‘If i don’t, the Army will conscript me, send me to Vietnam, and the Viet Cong will kill me.’

“hmmph..sounds like a good reason. All right, you’re in. If the Army starts bothering you, tell ‘em you belong to us.’

His birthday was drawn.

Sensible move. Hope he wasn’y on the HMAS Sydney

AussieDJ said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

I was too young for the Vietnam Moratorium walks, but I think it was young people then too. And there were a fair number of middleaged women also, from SOS (Save Our Sons) and others.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-24/students-walk-out-of-school-in-strike-for-palestine-730/103141070

I was saved from Vietnam by Gough winning the ‘lection.
The moratorium marches showed which way they’d vote.

In the last year or so before the election of the Whitlam government, the mood in the electorate was beginning to change away from being gung-ho (sorry) about Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War.

There’d already been court cases involving people who’d refused to register for the Draft and who, subsequently were sentenced to two years’ jail. One name I still remember was Simon Townsend, later of the TV series ‘Simon Townsend’s Wonder World’.

I knew of other draft resisters who kept relatively low profiles. One, who lived in inner Melbourne, told of having the Federal Police drive along his street about once a week, checking out his house. He said he would, occasionally, offer them a friendly wave. They just kept on driving past the house.

You were generally okay if you kept quiet and didn’t make a nuisance of yourself.

I think the SOS women had a network for hiding people?

buffy said:

AussieDJ said:

roughbarked said:

I was saved from Vietnam by Gough winning the ‘lection.
The moratorium marches showed which way they’d vote.

In the last year or so before the election of the Whitlam government, the mood in the electorate was beginning to change away from being gung-ho (sorry) about Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War.

There’d already been court cases involving people who’d refused to register for the Draft and who, subsequently were sentenced to two years’ jail. One name I still remember was Simon Townsend, later of the TV series ‘Simon Townsend’s Wonder World’.

I knew of other draft resisters who kept relatively low profiles. One, who lived in inner Melbourne, told of having the Federal Police drive along his street about once a week, checking out his house. He said he would, occasionally, offer them a friendly wave. They just kept on driving past the house.

You were generally okay if you kept quiet and didn’t make a nuisance of yourself.

I think the SOS women had a network for hiding people?

There were conscriptees going AWOL everywhere.

I ain’t no legal expert but it certainly seems to me that it is now obvious that Lehrmann perjured himself on at least two matters in the original rape trial.

dv said:

I ain’t no legal expert but it certainly seems to me that it is now obvious that Lehrmann perjured himself on at least two matters in the original rape trial.

This is suggesting a pattern of behaviour

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

AussieDJ said:

In the last year or so before the election of the Whitlam government, the mood in the electorate was beginning to change away from being gung-ho (sorry) about Australia’s involvement in the Vietnam War.

There’d already been court cases involving people who’d refused to register for the Draft and who, subsequently were sentenced to two years’ jail. One name I still remember was Simon Townsend, later of the TV series ‘Simon Townsend’s Wonder World’.

I knew of other draft resisters who kept relatively low profiles. One, who lived in inner Melbourne, told of having the Federal Police drive along his street about once a week, checking out his house. He said he would, occasionally, offer them a friendly wave. They just kept on driving past the house.

You were generally okay if you kept quiet and didn’t make a nuisance of yourself.

I think the SOS women had a network for hiding people?

There were conscriptees going AWOL everywhere.

I know a person who was persecuted for running away…but decades later still suffering from PTSD he was forgiven.

dv said:

I ain’t no legal expert but it certainly seems to me that it is now obvious that Lehrmann perjured himself on at least two matters in the original rape trial.

Makes me wonder why he even bothered to sue.

dv said:

I ain’t no legal expert but it certainly seems to me that it is now obvious that Lehrmann perjured himself on at least two matters in the original rape trial.

My impression as well. The courts frown on liars.

Loved this headline:

After seeing an ad in the paper, Tony has agreed to donate his dead body for art.

party_pants said:

dv said:

I ain’t no legal expert but it certainly seems to me that it is now obvious that Lehrmann perjured himself on at least two matters in the original rape trial.

Makes me wonder why he even bothered to sue.

Bankrolled¡

Australian Antarctic Division is given a very big serve by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-25/everest-ship-fire-at-sea-april-2021-atsb-report/103113482

Michael V said:

Australian Antarctic Division is given a very big serve by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-25/everest-ship-fire-at-sea-april-2021-atsb-report/103113482

Some years back, there was a chap who’d worked with the AAD in Antarctica, and he gave a talk in Bundaberg on his experiences in the Antarctic.

He had slides, some videos, and some examples of clothing and equipment used there, It was very entertaining and informative.

At the tea-and-bikkies afterwards, he was chatting and answering questions, and he was asked what the AAD was like to worker for, employer-wise.

He hesitated, and then said that it was something like a private club, run by ‘the right people’ for ‘the right people’. Like the Aust. Olympic Committee? asked someone, and he said, yeah, probably a lot like that.

Apparently, if you were one of ‘the right people’, or approved by one of them, you could count on support and equipment and funding for your work, but otherwise it was a tooth-and-nail fight for the scraps.

But that was quite a while back, things might be different these days

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

I ain’t no legal expert but it certainly seems to me that it is now obvious that Lehrmann perjured himself on at least two matters in the original rape trial.

Makes me wonder why he even bothered to sue.

Bankrolled¡

Does seem like a weird decision.

You’d think someone who a) escaped justice because of a mistrial and b) is currently on trial in another rape case, would try and keep his head down a bit.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Makes me wonder why he even bothered to sue.

Bankrolled¡

Does seem like a weird decision.

You’d think someone who a) escaped justice because of a mistrial and b) is currently on trial in another rape case, would try and keep his head down a bit.

That’s what I was thinking. But the group-think in those circles is that he is somehow the victim of left-wing media bias, so he needs to sue them for every last dollar to punish them. Guess he was not strong enough to say no, or he was very badly advised, or he is part of the group-think club.

Michael V said:

Australian Antarctic Division is given a very big serve by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-25/everest-ship-fire-at-sea-april-2021-atsb-report/103113482

Sounds like a great design feature, having the fuel overflow into the engine room exhaust ventilation casing. I wonder who thought that up?

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

party_pants said:

Makes me wonder why he even bothered to sue.

Bankrolled¡

Does seem like a weird decision.

You’d think someone who a) escaped justice because of a mistrial and b) is currently on trial in another rape case, would try and keep his head down a bit.

Seems he has political backing in the misogyny stakes.

Honest Government Ad | How to rig elections

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3WTlyuhDs0

sarahs mum said:

Honest Government Ad | How to rig elections

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3WTlyuhDs0

+1

actually + as many candidates as it takes

at least until STEMocracy

Good to hear all options being kept on the table¡

“Nuclear for Australia is a fantasy wrapped in delusion accompanied by pipedream,” Mr Bowen said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/europe-is-in-racial-turmoil-what-could-it-learn-from-australia-20231124-p5emkm.html

Europe is in racial turmoil. What could it learn from Australia?

Parnell Palme McGuinness

Got some vacillation there eh, a bit of hesitation before the vortex.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-26/can-younger-workers-compete-with-generation-landlord/103151724

Opinion piece on housing in Australia

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-26/can-younger-workers-compete-with-generation-landlord/103151724

Opinion piece on housing in Australia

It’s outrageous!! I am absolutely appalled!! This is nothing less than a violation of human rights. A humanitarian disaster. Urgent aid is needed and must be provided for those in this diabolical and unprecedented crisis. I call for an immediate and peaceful resolution to the conflict and determine the best way forward from here, to address this travesty of injustice. A Senate inquiry will be set up, with full Terms of Reference, which are yet to be determined. A report from the Acting Deputy Commissioner is due by end 2032.

Woodie said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-26/can-younger-workers-compete-with-generation-landlord/103151724

Opinion piece on housing in Australia

It’s outrageous!! I am absolutely appalled!! This is nothing less than a violation of human rights. A humanitarian disaster. Urgent aid is needed and must be provided for those in this diabolical and unprecedented crisis. I call for an immediate and peaceful resolution to the conflict and determine the best way forward from here, to address this travesty of injustice. A Senate inquiry will be set up, with full Terms of Reference, which are yet to be determined. A report from the Acting Deputy Commissioner is due by end 2032.

It’ll still probably be published before Barnaby produces that drought report.