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Victoria
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:55 PM (flickr.com)
The Province is introducing new housing legislation to deliver more small-scale, multi-unit housing for people, including townhomes, triplexes and laneway homes, and fix outdated zoning rules to help build more homes faster.

“Anyone looking for a place to live in a community they love knows how hard it is – and outdated zoning rules are making that even harder,” said Premier David Eby. “Constructing mostly high-rise condo towers or single-family homes means B.C. isn’t building enough small-scale multi-unit homes that fit into existing neighbourhoods and give people more housing options that are within reach. That’s why we’re taking action to fix zoning problems and deliver more homes for people, faster.”

Historical zoning rules in many B.C. communities have led most new housing to be built mostly in the form of condos, or single-family homes that are out of reach for many people, leaving a shortage of options for the types of housing in between. Zoning barriers and layers of regulations have also slowed down the delivery of housing, making people go through long, complicated processes to build much-needed housing in communities.

“The housing crisis has made it harder for growing families looking for more space, seniors looking to downsize, and first-time homebuyers who can’t find a home that meets their needs and budget,” said Ravi Kahlon, Minister of Housing. “This legislation strengthens the vibrancy of our communities, while building the type of housing that will help us address the housing crisis.”

The proposed legislation and forthcoming regulations will permit one secondary suite or one laneway home (accessory dwelling unit) in all communities throughout B.C.

In most areas within municipalities of more than 5,000 people, these changes will also require bylaws to allow for:

three to four units permitted on lots currently zoned for single-family or duplex use, depending on lot size;
six units permitted on larger lots currently zoned for single-family or duplex use and close to transit stops with frequent service.
Municipalities covered by the legislation may permit additional density if desired, but cannot have bylaws that allow for fewer permitted units than the provincial legislation.

The legislation will also speed up local housing development approvals, by shifting local planning and zoning processes to happen up front. It will require municipalities throughout B.C. to expedite and streamline permitting by updating community plans and zoning bylaws on a regular basis, to ensure that they have enough housing to meet the needs of both their current and future residents. This will help create more certainty for both community members and home builders.

New proposed changes will also phase out one-off public hearings for rezonings for housing projects that are consistent and aligned with the official community plans. Instead, there will be more frequent opportunities for people to be involved in shaping their communities earlier in the process when official community plans are updated.

Modelling future scenarios cannot account for unforeseen circumstances, the changing nature of housing, real estate markets and other factors, but preliminary analysis indicates the province could see more than 130,000 new small-scale multi-unit homes in B.C. during the next 10 years. Other jurisdictions have had great success using similar policies to deliver more small-scale multi-unit homes faster. Auckland, N.Z. made similar changes in 2016. Research has shown these actions have led to the creation of more than 20,000 additional new homes over five years.

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https://youtu.be/yRY1L4×3JqY?si=ceCrDd-w14AsQ_KK
RMTransit discusses these changes

> three to four units permitted on lots currently zoned for single-family or duplex use, depending on lot size;
> six units permitted on larger lots currently zoned for single-family or duplex use and close to transit stops with frequent service.

I approve, but with one caveat.

With a minimum of one car parking space per bedroom. To stop the narrowing of roads caused by too much street parking.

mollwollfumble said:

> three to four units permitted on lots currently zoned for single-family or duplex use, depending on lot size;
> six units permitted on larger lots currently zoned for single-family or duplex use and close to transit stops with frequent service.

I approve, but with one caveat.

With a minimum of one car parking space per bedroom. To stop the narrowing of roads caused by too much street parking.

No, they need to prepare to move away from private car reliance. In NY, Paris, London, Budapest, Tokyo, most trips are done with public transport and that is the model that large cities need to move to.

https://medicinehatnews.com/commentary/opinions/2025/02/08/laying-it-out-in-alberta-apparently-we-only-act-tough-when-we-face-east/

https://youtube.com/shorts/cEeYGK42CwI?si=4lrWg1UMKuRbKn2n

Pierre Poilievre, Canadian Conservative leader, responds to Trump’s complaints about trade deficit

dv said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/cEeYGK42CwI?si=4lrWg1UMKuRbKn2n

Pierre Poilievre, Canadian Conservative leader, responds to Trump’s complaints about trade deficit

Is it him singing Cold Chisel – You Got Nothing I Want?

A new, high-speed rail network between Toronto and Quebec City will be a “game changer” for Canadian commuters, cutting travel times from Ontario’s largest city to Montreal to three hours, the prime minister says.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the project in Montreal this morning, saying it will span approximately 1,000 kilometres.

The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City.

“Nearly half of our nation’s population lives here,” Transport Minister Anita Anand said, referring to the area surrounding the corridor. “The existing transportation system has not kept pace.”

“High-speed rail will be the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,” she added.

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/trudeau-announces-high-speed-rail-network-in-toronto-quebec-city-corridor/

dv said:

A new, high-speed rail network between Toronto and Quebec City will be a “game changer” for Canadian commuters, cutting travel times from Ontario’s largest city to Montreal to three hours, the prime minister says.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the project in Montreal this morning, saying it will span approximately 1,000 kilometres.

The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City.

“Nearly half of our nation’s population lives here,” Transport Minister Anita Anand said, referring to the area surrounding the corridor. “The existing transportation system has not kept pace.”

“High-speed rail will be the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,” she added.

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/trudeau-announces-high-speed-rail-network-in-toronto-quebec-city-corridor/

Three hours each way is a bloody long commute.

I was doing 2.25 hours each way, before moving to Qld, andthat was quite long enough.

has trump aided Trudeau’s popularity?

sarahs mum said:

has trump aided Trudeau’s popularity?

According to the Canadians I shared a ride with in New Zealand, Trudeau is not that popular anymore. So I guess anything could help him.

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

has trump aided Trudeau’s popularity?

According to the Canadians I shared a ride with in New Zealand, Trudeau is not that popular anymore. So I guess anything could help him.

that’s what i was thinking.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

A new, high-speed rail network between Toronto and Quebec City will be a “game changer” for Canadian commuters, cutting travel times from Ontario’s largest city to Montreal to three hours, the prime minister says.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the project in Montreal this morning, saying it will span approximately 1,000 kilometres.

The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City.

“Nearly half of our nation’s population lives here,” Transport Minister Anita Anand said, referring to the area surrounding the corridor. “The existing transportation system has not kept pace.”

“High-speed rail will be the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,” she added.

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/trudeau-announces-high-speed-rail-network-in-toronto-quebec-city-corridor/

Three hours each way is a bloody long commute.

I was doing 2.25 hours each way, before moving to Qld, andthat was quite long enough.

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

A new, high-speed rail network between Toronto and Quebec City will be a “game changer” for Canadian commuters, cutting travel times from Ontario’s largest city to Montreal to three hours, the prime minister says.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the project in Montreal this morning, saying it will span approximately 1,000 kilometres.

The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City.

“Nearly half of our nation’s population lives here,” Transport Minister Anita Anand said, referring to the area surrounding the corridor. “The existing transportation system has not kept pace.”

“High-speed rail will be the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,” she added.

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/trudeau-announces-high-speed-rail-network-in-toronto-quebec-city-corridor/

Three hours each way is a bloody long commute.

I was doing 2.25 hours each way, before moving to Qld, andthat was quite long enough.

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

who’s building it will it be the communists

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

A new, high-speed rail network between Toronto and Quebec City will be a “game changer” for Canadian commuters, cutting travel times from Ontario’s largest city to Montreal to three hours, the prime minister says.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the project in Montreal this morning, saying it will span approximately 1,000 kilometres.

The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City.

“Nearly half of our nation’s population lives here,” Transport Minister Anita Anand said, referring to the area surrounding the corridor. “The existing transportation system has not kept pace.”

“High-speed rail will be the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,” she added.

—-
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/trudeau-announces-high-speed-rail-network-in-toronto-quebec-city-corridor/

Three hours each way is a bloody long commute.

I was doing 2.25 hours each way, before moving to Qld, andthat was quite long enough.

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

Well, it kind of says it in the first sentence…

furious said:

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Three hours each way is a bloody long commute.

I was doing 2.25 hours each way, before moving to Qld, andthat was quite long enough.

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

Well, it kind of says it in the first sentence…

Zong

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

A new, high-speed rail network between Toronto and Quebec City will be a “game changer” for Canadian commuters, cutting travel times from Ontario’s largest city to Montreal to three hours, the prime minister says.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the project in Montreal this morning, saying it will span approximately 1,000 kilometres.

The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City.

“Nearly half of our nation’s population lives here,” Transport Minister Anita Anand said, referring to the area surrounding the corridor. “The existing transportation system has not kept pace.”

“High-speed rail will be the largest infrastructure project in Canadian history,” she added.

—-
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/trudeau-announces-high-speed-rail-network-in-toronto-quebec-city-corridor/

Three hours each way is a bloody long commute.

I was doing 2.25 hours each way, before moving to Qld, andthat was quite long enough.

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

Lololol 😆
You might want to read that again.

kii said:

dv said:

captain_spalding said:

Three hours each way is a bloody long commute.

I was doing 2.25 hours each way, before moving to Qld, andthat was quite long enough.

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

Lololol 😆
You might want to read that again.

The journalist might want to write it again

well look fair enough just because it will change the game for commuters doesn’t actually mean it’s for commuters

dv said:

kii said:

dv said:

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

Lololol 😆
You might want to read that again.

The journalist might want to write it again

Maybe the word “commuters” has a different connotation in Canada to what we understand here.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

has trump aided Trudeau’s popularity?

According to the Canadians I shared a ride with in New Zealand, Trudeau is not that popular anymore. So I guess anything could help him.

that’s what i was thinking.

so Trump is actually playing 88-dimensional Civilization 14 and nobly sacrificing a few illegal aliens in the DPRNA to restore popularity and faith and blind dogmatic belief in all other democracies across the world

SCIENCE said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

According to the Canadians I shared a ride with in New Zealand, Trudeau is not that popular anymore. So I guess anything could help him.

that’s what i was thinking.

so Trump is actually playing 88-dimensional Civilization 14 and nobly sacrificing a few illegal aliens in the DPRNA to restore popularity and faith and blind dogmatic belief in all other democracies across the world

Trudeau is leaving and the Liberal leadership selection process will be complete in early March. It seems very likely Mark Carney will be the new leader of the Liberal party and PM.
In the normal course of events, the national.election would be in October, but it may be sooner, depending how things go.

dv said:

kii said:

dv said:

Why would you think this 1000 km journey was for commuters?

Lololol 😆
You might want to read that again.

The journalist might want to write it again

…The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City….

maybe commuters go between these cities rather than do the whole lot.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

kii said:

Lololol 😆
You might want to read that again.

The journalist might want to write it again

…The trains – which will be fully electric and travel over 300 km/h – will stop in Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montréal, Laval, Trois-Rivières and Quebec City….

maybe commuters go between these cities rather than do the whole lot.

oh come on this is North America everyone knows you don’t go moderate it’s male or female black or white fascism or communism Toronto or Quebecity all this in between shit is for cheese eating surrender monkeys

https://youtube.com/shorts/jrAI3B_urYk?si=-baLlCKj9P-uybe0

Pierre Marcel Poilievre, Canadian opposition leader, addresses USA’s belligerent stance.

dv said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/jrAI3B_urYk?si=-baLlCKj9P-uybe0

Pierre Marcel Poilievre, Canadian opposition leader, addresses USA’s belligerent stance.

these shorts things irritate us a little because we haven’t worked out how to copy paste their transcripts yet

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/jrAI3B_urYk?si=-baLlCKj9P-uybe0

Pierre Marcel Poilievre, Canadian opposition leader, addresses USA’s belligerent stance.

these shorts things irritate us a little because we haven’t worked out how to copy paste their transcripts yet

Just type it out, ya lazy bum

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/jrAI3B_urYk?si=-baLlCKj9P-uybe0

Pierre Marcel Poilievre, Canadian opposition leader, addresses USA’s belligerent stance.

these shorts things irritate us a little because we haven’t worked out how to copy paste their transcripts yet

Just type it out, ya lazy bum

Or, y’know, replace the “shorts/<video id>” with “watch?v=<video id>”, as I’ve done to the link above.

btm said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

these shorts things irritate us a little because we haven’t worked out how to copy paste their transcripts yet

Just type it out, ya lazy bum

Or, y’know, replace the “shorts/<video id>” with “watch?v=<video id>”, as I’ve done to the link above.

thanks

SCIENCE said:

btm said:

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/jrAI3B_urYk?si=-baLlCKj9P-uybe0

Pierre Marcel Poilievre, Canadian opposition leader, addresses USA’s belligerent stance.

these shorts things irritate us a little because we haven’t worked out how to copy paste their transcripts yet

Just type it out, ya lazy bum

Or, y’know, replace the “shorts/<video id>” with “watch?v=<video id>”, as I’ve done to the link above.

thanks

and there’s something
else there’s something else I’d like to
say to our American friends we’ve always
loved you as our neighbors and friends
there is no country with whom we’d
rather share a border the longest
undefended border in the world we know
America as the biggest economic and
Military superpower the world has ever
known and we’ve been a good neighbor we
fought on the same side of the same Wars
we paid with Canadian lives and treasure
to fight for America avenging the 9/11
attacks you have your grievance with us
we have ours with you but I would ask
you this question which other country
would you rather have as your
neighbor and if Canada is not your
friend who
is
see the problem is at times we might be
too Pol
softspoken and humble for our own good
we are slow to anger and quick to
forgive but never confuse our kindness
with
weakness we love our country and our
flag we are a strong people with a proud
history as a warrior nation whose
soldiers have proven Fierce enough to
crush the fascists the Communists and
al- Qaeda yet humble enough to never
once bre about their heroism we are mild
mannered and made of steel

This time next week, Chrystia Freeland may be Canadian PM, as the Liberals chose their next leader following Trudeau’s resignation.
She is vowing 100% tariffs on Tesla vehicles.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/alberta-primetime/article/if-they-hit-us-we-must-hit-back-freeland-plans-dollar-for-dollar-retaliation-to-us-tariffs-if-elected-liberal-leader/

Mark Carney has been elected Liberal leader and will shortly be PM. He is not a member of Parliament. He will be, I think, be the first Canadian PM with no prior elected office.

A triple national (Canada, UK, Ireland) he has previously been governor of the Bank of Canada and governor of the Bank of England.

dv said:

Mark Carney has been elected Liberal leader and will shortly be PM. He is not a member of Parliament. He will be, I think, be the first Canadian PM with no prior elected office.

A triple national (Canada, UK, Ireland) he has previously been governor of the Bank of Canada and governor of the Bank of England.

Probably well qualified to be able to stimie Trump’s suggested economic takeover.

Don’t take this too seriously, it is just a coincidental little link.

Howard Scott is usually taken to be father of the Technocracy Movement. He founded various organisations that operated in Canada and the United States, including Technocracy Incorporated in 1933.

Among their ideas was the establishment of a North American Technate to be led by Technocrats.

Technocracy looked for large areas with bountiful resources to enable self sufficiency. A Technate is practically a large body of land governed by a technocracy that only needs minimal trade.

Technocrats had a strong belief in continentalism. Scott mentioned that in the case of forming a North American Technate would be like forming a federation or union under the guidance of technocracy.

Here is their proposed map of the North American Technate.

Technocracy Incorporated was made illegal in Canada in 1940 due to their opposition to Canadian involvement in the war. The organisation continued to meet and operate, and a number of prominent members were arrested, including a former director of Technocracy Incorporated, a Joshua Norman Haldeman, Elon Musk’s grandfather.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Scott_(engineer)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman

dv said:

Don’t take this too seriously, it is just a coincidental little link.

Howard Scott is usually taken to be father of the Technocracy Movement. He founded various organisations that operated in Canada and the United States, including Technocracy Incorporated in 1933.

Among their ideas was the establishment of a North American Technate to be led by Technocrats.

Technocracy looked for large areas with bountiful resources to enable self sufficiency. A Technate is practically a large body of land governed by a technocracy that only needs minimal trade.

Technocrats had a strong belief in continentalism. Scott mentioned that in the case of forming a North American Technate would be like forming a federation or union under the guidance of technocracy.

Here is their proposed map of the North American Technate.

Technocracy Incorporated was made illegal in Canada in 1940 due to their opposition to Canadian involvement in the war. The organisation continued to meet and operate, and a number of prominent members were arrested, including a former director of Technocracy Incorporated, a Joshua Norman Haldeman, Elon Musk’s grandfather.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Scott_(engineer)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman

It’s all coming together now.

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Don’t take this too seriously, it is just a coincidental little link.

Howard Scott is usually taken to be father of the Technocracy Movement. He founded various organisations that operated in Canada and the United States, including Technocracy Incorporated in 1933.

Among their ideas was the establishment of a North American Technate to be led by Technocrats.

Technocracy looked for large areas with bountiful resources to enable self sufficiency. A Technate is practically a large body of land governed by a technocracy that only needs minimal trade.

Technocrats had a strong belief in continentalism. Scott mentioned that in the case of forming a North American Technate would be like forming a federation or union under the guidance of technocracy.

Here is their proposed map of the North American Technate.

Technocracy Incorporated was made illegal in Canada in 1940 due to their opposition to Canadian involvement in the war. The organisation continued to meet and operate, and a number of prominent members were arrested, including a former director of Technocracy Incorporated, a Joshua Norman Haldeman, Elon Musk’s grandfather.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Scott_(engineer)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman

It’s all coming together now.

Mornington Crescent!

dv said:

Don’t take this too seriously, it is just a coincidental little link.

Howard Scott is usually taken to be father of the Technocracy Movement. He founded various organisations that operated in Canada and the United States, including Technocracy Incorporated in 1933.

Among their ideas was the establishment of a North American Technate to be led by Technocrats.

Technocracy looked for large areas with bountiful resources to enable self sufficiency. A Technate is practically a large body of land governed by a technocracy that only needs minimal trade.

Technocrats had a strong belief in continentalism. Scott mentioned that in the case of forming a North American Technate would be like forming a federation or union under the guidance of technocracy.

Here is their proposed map of the North American Technate.

Technocracy Incorporated was made illegal in Canada in 1940 due to their opposition to Canadian involvement in the war. The organisation continued to meet and operate, and a number of prominent members were arrested, including a former director of Technocracy Incorporated, a Joshua Norman Haldeman, Elon Musk’s grandfather.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Scott_(engineer)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman

Awww. Fulfilling grandpappy’s wishes. Nice work Elon. Named after his grandpappy’s papa, I see. His great-grandpappy.

https://youtu.be/ReT2nbYNdBU?si=doPzIfkYSyBR8Vaz
Carney visits France, says that for the first time since WW2 France and Canada are preparing for a defence strategy not focused on the USA.

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He also says that Canada is the most European of the non-European nations, which is an interesting take.

The election has been called for 28 April.
The Liberals are ahead in the polls but are unlikely to win a majority of seats. Likely outcome is a Lib minority government with the assistance of the New Democrats and perhaps the Gree s.

dv said:

The election has been called for 28 April.
The Liberals are ahead in the polls but are unlikely to win a majority of seats. Likely outcome is a Lib minority government with the assistance of the New Democrats and perhaps the Gree s.

Are Canadian Libs like the US Libs or the Australian Libs?

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

The election has been called for 28 April.
The Liberals are ahead in the polls but are unlikely to win a majority of seats. Likely outcome is a Lib minority government with the assistance of the New Democrats and perhaps the Gree s.

Are Canadian Libs like the US Libs or the Australian Libs?

They are the centre-left leaning major party. The centre-right leaning party are called the conservative party.

party_pants said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

The election has been called for 28 April.
The Liberals are ahead in the polls but are unlikely to win a majority of seats. Likely outcome is a Lib minority government with the assistance of the New Democrats and perhaps the Gree s.

Are Canadian Libs like the US Libs or the Australian Libs?

They are the centre-left leaning major party. The centre-right leaning party are called the conservative party.

Thanks

where are the screams of voter suppression for calling a Monday sausage fest

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

The election has been called for 28 April.
The Liberals are ahead in the polls but are unlikely to win a majority of seats. Likely outcome is a Lib minority government with the assistance of the New Democrats and perhaps the Gree s.

Are Canadian Libs like the US Libs or the Australian Libs?

The former I suppose? They are Canada’s major left of centre party.

dv said:

The election has been called for 28 April.
The Liberals are ahead in the polls but are unlikely to win a majority of seats. Likely outcome is a Lib minority government with the assistance of the New Democrats and perhaps the Gree s.

dear god, i thought that was about the oz elections. then i saw it was the canadian thread.

Honest Government Ad | Canada Election 2025

Government agency orders Toronto café to get rid of vegemite

sarahs mum said:

Government agency orders Toronto café to get rid of vegemite

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-16/australian-cafe-owner-canada-ordered-remove-vegemite-off-shelves/105182744

Does seem like a weird story. Excess intake of the various B vitamins just results in their elimination by the kidneys, and you’d have to eat a ridiculous amount of vegemite to get to that stage. Seems an arbitrary ruling.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Government agency orders Toronto café to get rid of vegemite

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-16/australian-cafe-owner-canada-ordered-remove-vegemite-off-shelves/105182744

Does seem like a weird story. Excess intake of the various B vitamins just results in their elimination by the kidneys, and you’d have to eat a ridiculous amount of vegemite to get to that stage. Seems an arbitrary ruling.

OK but it’s a slippery slope.

Allow Vegemite and next thing you know there will be coffee shops opening up selling flat-whites.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Government agency orders Toronto café to get rid of vegemite

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-16/australian-cafe-owner-canada-ordered-remove-vegemite-off-shelves/105182744

Does seem like a weird story. Excess intake of the various B vitamins just results in their elimination by the kidneys, and you’d have to eat a ridiculous amount of vegemite to get to that stage. Seems an arbitrary ruling.

seems to be more a labeling problem than content.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Government agency orders Toronto café to get rid of vegemite

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-16/australian-cafe-owner-canada-ordered-remove-vegemite-off-shelves/105182744

Does seem like a weird story. Excess intake of the various B vitamins just results in their elimination by the kidneys, and you’d have to eat a ridiculous amount of vegemite to get to that stage. Seems an arbitrary ruling.

OK but it’s a slippery slope.

Allow Vegemite and next thing you know there will be coffee shops opening up selling flat-whites.

Don’t forget the smashed avocado.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Government agency orders Toronto café to get rid of vegemite

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-16/australian-cafe-owner-canada-ordered-remove-vegemite-off-shelves/105182744

Does seem like a weird story. Excess intake of the various B vitamins just results in their elimination by the kidneys, and you’d have to eat a ridiculous amount of vegemite to get to that stage. Seems an arbitrary ruling.

seems to be more a labeling problem than content.

So does Marmite call the vitamins something different?

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-16/australian-cafe-owner-canada-ordered-remove-vegemite-off-shelves/105182744

Does seem like a weird story. Excess intake of the various B vitamins just results in their elimination by the kidneys, and you’d have to eat a ridiculous amount of vegemite to get to that stage. Seems an arbitrary ruling.

seems to be more a labeling problem than content.

So does Marmite call the vitamins something different?

no idea. was just commenting on the gist of the clip.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

seems to be more a labeling problem than content.

So does Marmite call the vitamins something different?

no idea. was just commenting on the gist of the clip.

Yeah I posted it here the day or so before. It is because it has vitamins. Heaven forbid if they tried to sell the salt reduced variety. It has more vitamins.

Anyway, I believe Marmite probably has a bit more vitamins than average vegemite.
Thiamin (B1) (mg) 10.8 g 0.86 g 14%
Riboflavin (B2) (mg) 7.7 mg 0.62 mg 56%
Niacin (mg) 6.8 mg 0.54 mg 39%
Folic Acid (µg) 69 mg 5.5 mg 34%
Vitamin B12 (µg) 1250 µg 100 µg 50%

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

So does Marmite call the vitamins something different?

no idea. was just commenting on the gist of the clip.

Yeah I posted it here the day or so before. It is because it has vitamins. Heaven forbid if they tried to sell the salt reduced variety. It has more vitamins.

Anyway, I believe Marmite probably has a bit more vitamins than average vegemite.
Thiamin (B1) (mg) 10.8 g 0.86 g 14%
Riboflavin (B2) (mg) 7.7 mg 0.62 mg 56%
Niacin (mg) 6.8 mg 0.54 mg 39%
Folic Acid (µg) 69 mg 5.5 mg 34%
Vitamin B12 (µg) 1250 µg 100 µg 50%

Not sure about that 1250 µg of B12.

But, it seems that 100 g of Marmite does have a lot more B vitamins than 100g of Vegemite:

Marmite on the left, Vegemite on the right:

Vegemite

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

no idea. was just commenting on the gist of the clip.

Yeah I posted it here the day or so before. It is because it has vitamins. Heaven forbid if they tried to sell the salt reduced variety. It has more vitamins.

Anyway, I believe Marmite probably has a bit more vitamins than average vegemite.
Thiamin (B1) (mg) 10.8 g 0.86 g 14%
Riboflavin (B2) (mg) 7.7 mg 0.62 mg 56%
Niacin (mg) 6.8 mg 0.54 mg 39%
Folic Acid (µg) 69 mg 5.5 mg 34%
Vitamin B12 (µg) 1250 µg 100 µg 50%

Not sure about that 1250 µg of B12.

But, it seems that 100 g of Marmite does have a lot more B vitamins than 100g of Vegemite:

Marmite on the left, Vegemite on the right:

Vegemite

Yes the copy paste got confused. I should have taken a photo.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Yeah I posted it here the day or so before. It is because it has vitamins. Heaven forbid if they tried to sell the salt reduced variety. It has more vitamins.

Anyway, I believe Marmite probably has a bit more vitamins than average vegemite.
Thiamin (B1) (mg) 10.8 g 0.86 g 14%
Riboflavin (B2) (mg) 7.7 mg 0.62 mg 56%
Niacin (mg) 6.8 mg 0.54 mg 39%
Folic Acid (µg) 69 mg 5.5 mg 34%
Vitamin B12 (µg) 1250 µg 100 µg 50%

Not sure about that 1250 µg of B12.

But, it seems that 100 g of Marmite does have a lot more B vitamins than 100g of Vegemite:

Marmite on the left, Vegemite on the right:

Vegemite

Yes the copy paste got confused. I should have taken a photo.

Well, the Canadians are talking through their hats, anyway.

Possibly someone in Ottawa just got up on the wrong side of the bed one morning.

I mean, sure, i’ll eat a teaspoon of Vegemite now and then, but i’m not likely to gulp down 14 or 15 spoonfuls in one sitting. Which is what it’d take to get you to ‘too much’ vitamin B.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Not sure about that 1250 µg of B12.

But, it seems that 100 g of Marmite does have a lot more B vitamins than 100g of Vegemite:

Marmite on the left, Vegemite on the right:

Vegemite

Yes the copy paste got confused. I should have taken a photo.

Well, the Canadians are talking through their hats, anyway.

Possibly someone in Ottawa just got up on the wrong side of the bed one morning.

I mean, sure, i’ll eat a teaspoon of Vegemite now and then, but i’m not likely to gulp down 14 or 15 spoonfuls in one sitting. Which is what it’d take to get you to ‘too much’ vitamin B.

Yep. Though it is true that my GP had told me to take B12 tabs because I was a little short on it. At about the same time I took up the unsalted Vegemite which contains B12. Then I was getting too much B12 in my blood so was told to stop.

um we thought someone posted here last month about vitamin B toxicity so

SCIENCE said:

um we thought someone posted here last month about vitamin B toxicity so

Yair but. That’s like taking not what the doctor ordered.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

um we thought someone posted here last month about vitamin B toxicity so

Yair but. That’s like taking not what the doctor ordered.

Alpha Males Take Vitamin A

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

um we thought someone posted here last month about vitamin B toxicity so

Yair but. That’s like taking not what the doctor ordered.

Alpha Males Take Vitamin A

Idiots.
They should just munch on some parsley.

SCIENCE said:

um we thought someone posted here last month about vitamin B toxicity so

B6 Toxicity. There’s no B6 in the standard Vegemite, only in reduced salt.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

um we thought someone posted here last month about vitamin B toxicity so

B6 Toxicity. There’s no B6 in the standard Vegemite, only in reduced salt.

THere you go. I wasn’t thinking about that. but at a smear or two a day… I only buy smaller jars of Vege. Because the damned stuff goes off tasting in the jar before I finish it. Even the salt reduced which only appears in one size, is too big for me. I like it fresh.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

um we thought someone posted here last month about vitamin B toxicity so

Yair but. That’s like taking not what the doctor ordered.

Alpha Males Take Vitamin A

Oh, i hope that they take a lot of it.

A-vitaminosis is just what they deserve.

JudgeMental said:

roughbarked said:

JudgeMental said:

seems to be more a labeling problem than content.

So does Marmite call the vitamins something different?

no idea. was just commenting on the gist of the clip.

Now the Canadians have caught the stupid.

Come via connecting flight in Canada. You can pre-clear US customs in Canada (eg Vancouver), and if they deny you entry, you just stay in Canada and go home instead of being taken to some black site.

SCIENCE said:

Come via connecting flight in Canada. You can pre-clear US customs in Canada (eg Vancouver), and if they deny you entry, you just stay in Canada and go home instead of being taken to some black site.

I’m NOT going to the US of A.

JudgeMental said:

what’s this about antiantifa again

Election day. The polling is pretty close between the Liberals and Conservatives. Liberals are a few points ahead but Canada uses first past the post and there are several progressive parties that can act as spoilers so it is certainly within the realm of possibility that the Conservatives form government.

amazing breaking new news

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s Liberal Party is predicted to win Canada’s federal election, according to local media.

see what a good guy them kkk is, saving the world one 50+th state at a time

wait

anyway

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-29/mark-carney-liberal-party-to-win-canada-elections/105228246

The Canadian electoral divisions are called Ridings. This is a fairly old fashioned English term, derived from trithing, and related to the word third.

dv said:

The Canadian electoral divisions are called Ridings. This is a fairly old fashioned English term, derived from trithing, and related to the word third.

Yorkshire has three Ridings, East, West, and North.

I always wondered why there wasn’t a South Riding.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Canadian electoral divisions are called Ridings. This is a fairly old fashioned English term, derived from trithing, and related to the word third.

Yorkshire has three Ridings, East, West, and North.

I always wondered why there wasn’t a South Riding.

Well then they’d be farthings not ridings

In a shock result, Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre lost the seat he has held since 2004, even as his party performed better than had previously been expected. The Tory leader pledged to keep his job during his election night speech. The Conservatives had for the past two years seemed all but certain to form a government, but their 25-point poll lead evaporated within weeks of Trump’s threats and the emergence of Carney as the new Liberal leader.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/apr/29/canada-election-results-2025-live-mark-carney-liberal-pierre-poilievre-conservatives-donald-trump

All seats finalised. Libs are 3 shy of an abs maj.

Canada’s upper house, the Senate, is a bit like the House of Lords in that its members are appointed rather than elected.

dv said:

All seats finalised. Libs are 3 shy of an abs maj.

Canada’s upper house, the Senate, is a bit like the House of Lords in that its members are appointed rather than elected.

Who do you reckon they’ll form government with?

Or do you reckon they’ll just wing it?

Michael V said:

dv said:

All seats finalised. Libs are 3 shy of an abs maj.

Canada’s upper house, the Senate, is a bit like the House of Lords in that its members are appointed rather than elected.

Who do you reckon they’ll form government with?

Or do you reckon they’ll just wing it?

They had an agreement with the New Democrats last time which ultimately collapsed late last year. Perhaps they’ll seek a reset under new leadership.

It’s interesting that the Libs and Conservatives both enjoyed big swings and gains in seats at the expense of minor parties: Bloc Quebecois lost 11 seats, New Democrats lost 17, Greens lost 1.

dv said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

All seats finalised. Libs are 3 shy of an abs maj.

Canada’s upper house, the Senate, is a bit like the House of Lords in that its members are appointed rather than elected.

Who do you reckon they’ll form government with?

Or do you reckon they’ll just wing it?

They had an agreement with the New Democrats last time which ultimately collapsed late last year. Perhaps they’ll seek a reset under new leadership.

It’s interesting that the Libs and Conservatives both enjoyed big swings and gains in seats at the expense of minor parties: Bloc Quebecois lost 11 seats, New Democrats lost 17, Greens lost 1.

Maybe they didn’t trust independents against Trump?

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

Who do you reckon they’ll form government with?

Or do you reckon they’ll just wing it?

They had an agreement with the New Democrats last time which ultimately collapsed late last year. Perhaps they’ll seek a reset under new leadership.

It’s interesting that the Libs and Conservatives both enjoyed big swings and gains in seats at the expense of minor parties: Bloc Quebecois lost 11 seats, New Democrats lost 17, Greens lost 1.

Maybe they didn’t trust independents against Trump?

rally ‘round the flag effect

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

They had an agreement with the New Democrats last time which ultimately collapsed late last year. Perhaps they’ll seek a reset under new leadership.

It’s interesting that the Libs and Conservatives both enjoyed big swings and gains in seats at the expense of minor parties: Bloc Quebecois lost 11 seats, New Democrats lost 17, Greens lost 1.

Maybe they didn’t trust independents against Trump?

rally ‘round the flag effect

External threats often have a unifying effect on a body politic.

Chad Kroeger is the leader of the Did Not Vote party.

dv said:

Chad Kroeger is the leader of the Did Not Vote party.

Give polar bears and caribou the vote.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Chad Kroeger is the leader of the Did Not Vote party.

Give polar bears and caribou the vote.

Why leave out the wolves and foxes?

On a recount, the district of Terrebonne, Quebec, flipped from Bloc Quebecois to Liberal, by exactly one vote: 23352 to 23351.

This brings Liberals to 170 seats out of 343.

dv said:

On a recount, the district of Terrebonne, Quebec, flipped from Bloc Quebecois to Liberal, by exactly one vote: 23352 to 23351.

This brings Liberals to 170 seats out of 343.

The 1993 general election in Canada was good for the Liberals; the previous conservative government lost 154 seats and were reduced to 2, with the Liberals taking office outright, with 177 seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Canadian_federal_election

alleged

SCIENCE said:

alleged

I wonder why they would push that?

SCIENCE said:

alleged

I wonder why they would push that?

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

alleged

I wonder why they would push that?

Maybe he’s an a-hole…

furious said:

Arts said:

SCIENCE said:

alleged

I wonder why they would push that?

Maybe he’s an a-hole…

so it’s not because he’s disabled then…

Arts said:

furious said:

Arts said:

I wonder why they would push that?

Maybe he’s an a-hole…

so it’s not because he’s disabled then…

we remember watching an ad like that about 20 years ago but never saw it again

Arts said:

furious said:

Arts said:

I wonder why they would push that?

Maybe he’s an a-hole…

so it’s not because he’s disabled then…

Canadians wouldn’t do that sort of thing.

Trump’s America is where we’ll see ‘Aktion T4’ resurrected.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/following-france-and-uk-canada-says-it-will-recognize-palestinian-state-in-september/

Following France and UK, Canada says it will recognize Palestinian state in September

dv said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/following-france-and-uk-canada-says-it-will-recognize-palestinian-state-in-september/

Following France and UK, Canada says it will recognize Palestinian state in September

31 Aug 2025, 23:59 Ottawa time:

‘Can’t see anything, nothing that looks familiar, nope, nothing there that i’ve ever seen before, dunno what that is.’

01 Sep 2025 00:00:01 Ottawa time:

‘Well, i’ll be blowed, looky there, if that isn’t the Palestinian state, how do you like that, why didn’t we recognise that before, gosh, don’t we feel stupid.’

So says a citizen of a nation that still hasn’t decided if, let alone when.

ABC News:

My first thought on reading this was ‘i know that they’re clumsy, but messing up twenty four of their own operatrions in three years?!’.

(Actually, ASIO isn’t that bad. If you want bumbling, call ASIS.)

There are times when, for puposes of deception and disinformation, you actually want your operation to be ‘blown’, as the spy novels put it.

The Americans would often enlist the help of ASIS on such occasions, not revealing to ASIS that it was a ‘sacrificial’ operation, but trusting to the ineptitude of ASIS to make a hash of it.

And all of that should have been in ‘Chat’.

Apologies.