Date: 21/11/2023 15:21:53
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2096474
Subject: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation


Immigration levels have returned to pre-pandemic levels, which has led to a worsening rental crisis.

You could call them the four “I“s of our economy. And they’ve now collided in spectacular fashion.

Almost all of us have been obsessed by just two: inflation and its impact on interest rates.

But there are another two that need to be brought into the equation: immigration and the need for infrastructure.

Every economist, from Reserve Bank governor Michele Bullock down, admits that interest rates are a blunt weapon that disproportionately affects different segments of Australian society, particularly younger Australians who bought real estate in the past three years.

But for a large number of economists, it is the only weapon. Many refuse to even consider alternatives, primarily because they shy away from a debate that has become socially and, occasionally, racially charged. And yet, they’re often more than happy to continue to push for ever higher interest rates.

In the past fortnight, inflation pressures eased substantially in both the United States and the United Kingdom. While it is declining here, it is at a much slower pace than the RBA would like, which forced it to raise rates on Melbourne Cup Day.

That’s provided ammo to the hawks, who’ve bolstered their calls for even more rate hikes. And last week, the federal government announced it would take a scythe to infrastructure spending in a bid to relieve inflation pressures following prompts from the International Monetary Fund.

That IMF report also pumps for more rate hikes. But like many others, while it acknowledges the root cause of our high inflation, it doesn’t consider the obvious solution and skirts the fundamental problem.

“Rents have also increased at a very fast pace, with strong growth in immigration following the post-COVID re-opening adding to pressures, given the housing shortages,” it notes.


The chronic shortage of housing has pumped up the demand for rental properties — and in turn, weekly rents.

We are in the midst of a full-blown rental crisis.

Just on a third of all Australian households rent and many are finding it difficult to keep their head above water. These are the forgotten victims of the most recent onslaught of higher interest rates and super-charged living costs.

Rents have been soaring for most of the past year and vacancy rates, at just 1.1 per cent across the nation, according to property data firm PropTrack, are now at their lowest levels in history.

Our immigration intake, meanwhile, is running at record levels with up to 600,000 arrivals expected this calendar year. If we continued at that rate for four years, there’d be enough people to fill a city the size of Brisbane.

And here’s another little snippet highlighted by the most recent inflation data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics: Rents now are growing at their fastest pace in 14 years and are a key factor driving our inflation.

According to the ABS, rents account for about 6 per cent of the Consumer Price Index, making it the second-largest contributor to the index.

“Understanding the rental market is important for policymakers as it has implications for patterns of consumption and savings by households, as well as inflation,” it warned back in April.

And yet, despite the overwhelming evidence, few appear willing to confront one of the key forces driving inflation.

Rather than whack everyone with ever higher interest rates because rents are going crazy, wouldn’t it make more sense to simply scale back the level of immigration, even temporarily, to take the pressure off rents and help lower inflation?

All those people arriving need somewhere to live and the increased demand is driving rents higher.

It’s a problem likely to compound into the future.

It takes years to build a house or a block of units. Then consider that vast numbers of builders have gone bust and that new dwelling approvals have this year slumped to decade lows partly because of soaring interest rates.

This is not, and should not be, an argument about immigration, multiculturalism, race or diversity. It’s an issue that revolves around simple arithmetic.


Record-low vacancy rates coupled with rising demand means there is increased competition for rental properties around the country.

The IMF is a textbook case of how intelligent individuals become consumed by textbook solutions to real-world problems. Who could forget its disastrous stipulation to nations left impoverished by the Global Financial Crisis to embark upon austerity programs?

Its report on Australia a fortnight ago neatly glosses over the nub of the issue. Rather than suggest scaling back the intake of new arrivals, it instead proposes to scale back on the necessary infrastructure needed to accommodate those new arrivals.

“The Commonwealth Government and state and territory governments should implement public investment projects at a more measured and co-ordinated pace, given supply constraints, to alleviate inflationary pressures,” it wrote.

One of the biggest problems we’ve faced since the turn of the century is that our politicians have been more than happy to import people but they’ve been unwilling to spend the required money on ensuring our cities work properly.


Failing to properly invest in public infrastructure has compounded the problems we’re now facing.

For decades, until COVID hit, we used to boast about being the miracle economy. No recession in 30 years! Technically, it was true. Our GDP climbed each and every year. But it was off the back of one of the biggest immigration programs in the developed world. Adding more people adds to the size of your economy.

Without the necessary extra investment in transport, health and education, however, our cities became more difficult to traverse, reducing worker productivity, and became some of the most expensive places in the world in which to live.

When the September-quarter GDP figures lob, they’re likely to show that without immigration, the economy would already be in recession.

While the IMF may have a legitimate argument that we should be more sensible about infrastructure spending, that can’t be achieved with immigration rates running at twice the normal level.

For decades, until COVID hit, we used to boast about being the miracle economy. No recession in 30 years! Technically, it was true. Our GDP climbed each and every year. But it was off the back of one of the biggest immigration programs in the developed world. Adding more people adds to the size of your economy.

Without the necessary extra investment in transport, health and education, however, our cities became more difficult to traverse, reducing worker productivity, and became some of the most expensive places in the world in which to live.

When the September-quarter GDP figures lob, they’re likely to show that without immigration, the economy would already be in recession.

While the IMF may have a legitimate argument that we should be more sensible about infrastructure spending, that can’t be achieved with immigration rates running at twice the normal level.

For decades, until COVID hit, we used to boast about being the miracle economy. No recession in 30 years! Technically, it was true. Our GDP climbed each and every year. But it was off the back of one of the biggest immigration programs in the developed world. Adding more people adds to the size of your economy.

Without the necessary extra investment in transport, health and education, however, our cities became more difficult to traverse, reducing worker productivity, and became some of the most expensive places in the world in which to live.

When the September-quarter GDP figures lob, they’re likely to show that without immigration, the economy would already be in recession.

While the IMF may have a legitimate argument that we should be more sensible about infrastructure spending, that can’t be achieved with immigration rates running at twice the normal level.


The next release of GDP figures will likely show the economy would be in recession without immigration.

Immigration in the post-war era has transformed Australia into a vibrant society with an array of rich cultural heritages from across the region and around the globe.

From a social cohesion viewpoint, the program has been an outstanding success.

For it to continue to work, governments both state and federal need to address the structural issues that arise from a rapidly increasing population.

Housing is one of the paramount issues.

Trying to pretend there is only a loose relationship between the huge lift in immigration and the sudden increase in rents — which is fuelling inflation — is likely to create more serious social problems in the future.

It’s a problem that won’t be fixed by yet another hike in interest rates.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-21/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-immigration-rents-inflation/103128424

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Date: 21/11/2023 15:41:26
From: Woodie
ID: 2096476
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

Why don’t they just get immigrants that can build houses?

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Date: 21/11/2023 16:48:25
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2096488
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

Woodie said:

Why don’t they just get immigrants that can build houses?

Exactly, our cuntry could invite some of these experts

“They destroy the infrastructure, we rebuild it, then they destroy it again,” Mr Huwail says.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-21/palestinians-share-what-life-is-like-in-the-west-bank/103071798

but seems they don’t.

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Date: 22/11/2023 13:22:49
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2096706
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

I reckon we should bring about 10 million of the world’s most violent criminals and others with known psychological problems into Australia

Set them up in the most affluent areas and make quotas so all private schools have to take them in as students as quite a few will identify as 14 school girls

It will be glorious

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Date: 22/11/2023 13:23:16
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2096707
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

wookiemeister said:


I reckon we should bring about 10 million of the world’s most violent criminals and others with known psychological problems into Australia

Set them up in the most affluent areas and make quotas so all private schools have to take them in as students as quite a few will identify as 14 year old school girls

It will be glorious


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Date: 22/11/2023 13:25:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2096710
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

wookiemeister said:


wookiemeister said:

I reckon we should bring about 10 million of the world’s most violent criminals and others with known psychological problems into Australia

Set them up in the most affluent areas and make quotas so all private schools have to take them in as students as quite a few will identify as 14 year old school girls

It will be glorious


Edit

I mean, totally left field.

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Date: 22/11/2023 13:45:17
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2096718
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

I reckon we should bring about 10 million of the world’s most violent criminals and others with known psychological problems into Australia

Set them up in the most affluent areas and make quotas so all private schools have to take them in as students as quite a few will identify as 14 year old school girls

It will be glorious


Edit

I mean, totally left field.

That’s how this fucking invasion and disenfranchisement of First Nations people started…

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Date: 23/11/2023 21:18:33
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2097008
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

Edit

I mean, totally left field.

That’s how this fucking invasion and disenfranchisement of First Nations people started…


as time goes by they will become and more irrelevant

the waves of third world migrants will all be victims – all needing more and more welfare to keep them going. the glory days of getting 44 billion from the government will be seen as a golden era. as more and more migrants make it into parliament all screaming about the needs of their “communities” you’ll see more and more money going to them. the communities funnel government money, privilege and power to them. the hamas people labor is bringing in will all need money and support too – how else would they be voting in elections without bribery? the government will jack up GST to 20 % to secure more funding for the communities but this money too will not be enough in a few years as more migrants needing more and more money – throw in a 500 billion submarine programme and other doomed ventures across the world involving the US and things will never be better.

my theory is what’s left of the aboriginals will be driven out back into the desert – many will die.

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Date: 23/11/2023 21:28:18
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2097015
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

wookiemeister said:


SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

I mean, totally left field.

That’s how this fucking invasion and disenfranchisement of First Nations people started…


as time goes by they will become and more irrelevant

the waves of third world migrants will all be victims – all needing more and more welfare to keep them going. the glory days of getting 44 billion from the government will be seen as a golden era. as more and more migrants make it into parliament all screaming about the needs of their “communities” you’ll see more and more money going to them. the communities funnel government money, privilege and power to them. the hamas people labor is bringing in will all need money and support too – how else would they be voting in elections without bribery? the government will jack up GST to 20 % to secure more funding for the communities but this money too will not be enough in a few years as more migrants needing more and more money – throw in a 500 billion submarine programme and other doomed ventures across the world involving the US and things will never be better.

my theory is what’s left of the aboriginals will be driven out back into the desert – many will die.

What do you mean BACK OUT INTO THE DESERT? Don’t you even know they lived in all parts of Australia for thousands of tears. If you are going to rubbish them, at least get your facts right, although that is probably asking too much from such an ignorant, arrogant and foolish person as yourself..

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Date: 23/11/2023 21:33:48
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2097017
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

We probably agree with PermeateFree.

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Date: 23/11/2023 21:39:25
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2097019
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

PermeateFree said:


wookiemeister said:

SCIENCE said:

That’s how this fucking invasion and disenfranchisement of First Nations people started…


as time goes by they will become and more irrelevant

the waves of third world migrants will all be victims – all needing more and more welfare to keep them going. the glory days of getting 44 billion from the government will be seen as a golden era. as more and more migrants make it into parliament all screaming about the needs of their “communities” you’ll see more and more money going to them. the communities funnel government money, privilege and power to them. the hamas people labor is bringing in will all need money and support too – how else would they be voting in elections without bribery? the government will jack up GST to 20 % to secure more funding for the communities but this money too will not be enough in a few years as more migrants needing more and more money – throw in a 500 billion submarine programme and other doomed ventures across the world involving the US and things will never be better.

my theory is what’s left of the aboriginals will be driven out back into the desert – many will die.

What do you mean BACK OUT INTO THE DESERT? Don’t you even know they lived in all parts of Australia for thousands of tears. If you are going to rubbish them, at least get your facts right, although that is probably asking too much from such an ignorant, arrogant and foolish person as yourself..


don’t worry – it will all come to pass

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Date: 23/11/2023 21:45:23
From: Woodie
ID: 2097022
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

PermeateFree said:

ooooo eeeeer……… Lots of affordable housing there, hey what but.

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:00:25
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2097024
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

wookiemeister said:


PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

as time goes by they will become and more irrelevant

the waves of third world migrants will all be victims – all needing more and more welfare to keep them going. the glory days of getting 44 billion from the government will be seen as a golden era. as more and more migrants make it into parliament all screaming about the needs of their “communities” you’ll see more and more money going to them. the communities funnel government money, privilege and power to them. the hamas people labor is bringing in will all need money and support too – how else would they be voting in elections without bribery? the government will jack up GST to 20 % to secure more funding for the communities but this money too will not be enough in a few years as more migrants needing more and more money – throw in a 500 billion submarine programme and other doomed ventures across the world involving the US and things will never be better.

my theory is what’s left of the aboriginals will be driven out back into the desert – many will die.

What do you mean BACK OUT INTO THE DESERT? Don’t you even know they lived in all parts of Australia for thousands of tears. If you are going to rubbish them, at least get your facts right, although that is probably asking too much from such an ignorant, arrogant and foolish person as yourself..


don’t worry – it will all come to pass

Will the Turks be bombing US aircraft carriers in Sydney Harbour too?

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:06:48
From: party_pants
ID: 2097025
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

What do you mean BACK OUT INTO THE DESERT? Don’t you even know they lived in all parts of Australia for thousands of tears. If you are going to rubbish them, at least get your facts right, although that is probably asking too much from such an ignorant, arrogant and foolish person as yourself..


don’t worry – it will all come to pass

Will the Turks be bombing US aircraft carriers in Sydney Harbour too?

Not if they paint the decks white.

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:30:08
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2097032
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

What do you mean BACK OUT INTO THE DESERT? Don’t you even know they lived in all parts of Australia for thousands of tears. If you are going to rubbish them, at least get your facts right, although that is probably asking too much from such an ignorant, arrogant and foolish person as yourself..


don’t worry – it will all come to pass

Will the Turks be bombing US aircraft carriers in Sydney Harbour too?


dunno

do you remember when turkey shot down a russian bomber? short memory? what do you think happens when you start shooting down russian aircraft? they’ve kissed and made up now.

russia has hypersonic missiles – when the end comes for us it will be FAST

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:32:41
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2097033
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

wookiemeister said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

don’t worry – it will all come to pass

Will the Turks be bombing US aircraft carriers in Sydney Harbour too?


dunno

do you remember when turkey shot down a russian bomber? short memory? what do you think happens when you start shooting down russian aircraft? they’ve kissed and made up now.

russia has hypersonic missiles – when the end comes for us it will be FAST

Ummm Putin acquiesced to Erdogan not the other way around.

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:33:32
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2097035
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

What do you mean BACK OUT INTO THE DESERT? Don’t you even know they lived in all parts of Australia for thousands of tears. If you are going to rubbish them, at least get your facts right, although that is probably asking too much from such an ignorant, arrogant and foolish person as yourself..


don’t worry – it will all come to pass

Will the Turks be bombing US aircraft carriers in Sydney Harbour too?

do it on australia day and save on fireworks.

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Date: 23/11/2023 22:37:02
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2097037
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Will the Turks be bombing US aircraft carriers in Sydney Harbour too?


dunno

do you remember when turkey shot down a russian bomber? short memory? what do you think happens when you start shooting down russian aircraft? they’ve kissed and made up now.

russia has hypersonic missiles – when the end comes for us it will be FAST

Ummm Putin acquiesced to Erdogan not the other way around.

apparently the US patriot missile system is shooting down the Kinzhal in droves.

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Date: 28/11/2023 16:09:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2098294
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

JudgeMental said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

dunno

do you remember when turkey shot down a russian bomber? short memory? what do you think happens when you start shooting down russian aircraft? they’ve kissed and made up now.

russia has hypersonic missiles – when the end comes for us it will be FAST

Ummm Putin acquiesced to Erdogan not the other way around.

apparently the US patriot missile system is shooting down the Kinzhal in droves.


A Mach 10 missile with a plasma bubble around it making it invisible to radar

I doubt it.

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Date: 28/11/2023 16:12:58
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2098295
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

wookiemeister said:


JudgeMental said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ummm Putin acquiesced to Erdogan not the other way around.

apparently the US patriot missile system is shooting down the Kinzhal in droves.


A Mach 10 missile with a plasma bubble around it making it invisible to radar

I doubt it.


The Ukrainians did have an old man with a shotgun that was reputed to be able to shoot down missiles / drones. Maybe the ghost of Kiev will return?

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Date: 29/11/2023 13:53:16
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2098472
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

The rents are going up only because house nsurance rates have skyrocketed. And some of these insurance costs have to be passed on to renters.

House insurance costs, after increasing by 15 percent a year for many years jumped to a 30 percent increase this year. Much of the blame can be traced to the huge house insurance loss caused by the January 2022 floods and their effect on Lismore, Gympie and many other large towns.

In addition, the year before last, and this year, we were hit by a large new government levy that is calculated from house valuation.

The insurance blowout has not all been passed on to renters. Rents haven’t increased by 30% this year. But it is not at all surprising that rents have had to rise.

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Date: 29/11/2023 14:05:10
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2098473
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

mollwollfumble said:


The rents are going up only because house nsurance rates have skyrocketed. And some of these insurance costs have to be passed on to renters.

House insurance costs, after increasing by 15 percent a year for many years jumped to a 30 percent increase this year. Much of the blame can be traced to the huge house insurance loss caused by the January 2022 floods and their effect on Lismore, Gympie and many other large towns.

In addition, the year before last, and this year, we were hit by a large new government levy that is calculated from house valuation.

The insurance blowout has not all been passed on to renters. Rents haven’t increased by 30% this year. But it is not at all surprising that rents have had to rise.

There are lots and lots of facts for you to check, stating there is not enough houses to fulfill the need of our rapidly growing population.

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Date: 2/12/2023 13:25:21
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2099487
Subject: re: The uncomfortable truth about record high immigration levels, rents and inflation

Your ABC discovers ratios and intensive quantities ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-02/shrinkflation-is-happening-how-it-works/103176208

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