Dave Sharma has been selected to replace Payne as a Liberal Senator for NSW.

Sharma was member for Wentworth from 2019 until 2022, when he lost to Teal independent Allegra Spender.
Wentworth is Turnbull’s old seat and Sharma is to his credit fairly Turnbullian, politically.

Sharma’s selection appears to have been a surprise to the commentators, who were thinking that the short odds were with former NSW transport minister Andrew Constance. Others suggested that Warren Mundine might get the nod as a reward.

Free, Speech, Law, And, Order

Remember This Fella ¿

https://www.smh.com.au/national/former-nsw-ag-escapes-new-charge-20070803-r8e.html

Peta Murphy, MP for Dunkley, has died of cancer. She was initially diagnosed in 2011. Dunkley had been held by the Liberals for 23 years before being won for the ALP by Murphy in 2019. Before entering parliament she had been a senior public defender at Victoria Legal Aid.
Her death will necessitate a by-election which will be held some time in the first quarter of next year. Murphy won the seat 56-43 in 2022 so it will be considered a test of Labor’s favourability.

David McBride has pleaded guilty.

friendlyjordies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3BGUl7×9mg

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2023/dec/04/cop28-no-prizes-for-guessing-how-it-is-turning-out

There’s been a spill in Canberra. Deputy Lib leader Jeremy Hanson has been replaced by Leanne Castley.
Hanson was somewhat associated with the Federal right wing of the party and that’s not going to win many friends in the ACT.

Couple of federal polls

Morgan has ALP ahead 51-49

Resolve has ALP ahead 55.1 – 44.9

dv said:

Couple of federal polls

Morgan has ALP ahead 51-49

Resolve has ALP ahead 55.1 – 44.9

bit of a difference.

dv said:

Couple of federal polls

Morgan has ALP ahead 51-49

Resolve has ALP ahead 55.1 – 44.9

quite a big spread. Which one to believe?

party_pants said:

dv said:

Couple of federal polls

Morgan has ALP ahead 51-49

Resolve has ALP ahead 55.1 – 44.9

quite a big spread. Which one to believe?

IDK … take an average

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-05/sex-offender-released-from-immigration-detention-charged/103191828

This almost sounds like this person was unable to function in the Real World. All these people were ordered to be released by the High Court. They are under quite a lot of surveillance, so they will be picked up again under the normal criminal system when they stray.

Court documents reveal the Seven Network is paying $4,000 per fortnight to cover Bruce Lehrmann’s rent, in exchange for him speaking exclusively to the network over a 12-month period.

——
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-05/bruce-lehrmann-rent-seven-paying-4000-per-fortnight-court-told/103192898

After doing his dough on the Ben Roberts-Smith lawsuit, Kerry Stokes doesn’t appear to have learned much.

dv said:

Court documents reveal the Seven Network is paying $4,000 per fortnight to cover Bruce Lehrmann’s rent, in exchange for him speaking exclusively to the network over a 12-month period.

——
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-05/bruce-lehrmann-rent-seven-paying-4000-per-fortnight-court-told/103192898

After doing his dough on the Ben Roberts-Smith lawsuit, Kerry Stokes doesn’t appear to have learned much.

He makes his money from stuff like this. The longer he can keep it in the news the better.

dv said:

Court documents reveal the Seven Network is paying $4,000 per fortnight to cover Bruce Lehrmann’s rent, in exchange for him speaking exclusively to the network over a 12-month period.

——
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-05/bruce-lehrmann-rent-seven-paying-4000-per-fortnight-court-told/103192898

After doing his dough on the Ben Roberts-Smith lawsuit, Kerry Stokes doesn’t appear to have learned much.

What a piece of shit he is.

Spiny Norman said:

What a piece of shit he is.

When will they ever learn?

Spiny Norman said:

What a piece of shit he is.

Hamas do need to be completely removed from power though.. that much is true

diddly-squat said:

Spiny Norman said:

What a piece of shit he is.

Hamas do need to be completely removed from power though.. that much is true

+1

..as does Bibi and his cronies.

diddly-squat said:

Spiny Norman said:

What a piece of shit he is.

Hamas do need to be completely removed from power though.. that much is true

If there are any Palestinians left to vote, I’m sure they won’t be popular at the polls.

Bubblecar said:

diddly-squat said:

Spiny Norman said:

What a piece of shit he is.

Hamas do need to be completely removed from power though.. that much is true

+1

..as does Bibi and his cronies.

does = do

Palaszczuk in some trouble in today’s Resolve poll. Crisafuli leads her 39-35 in the preferred Premier poll. LNP ahead 50.2 – 49.8 in the two party preferred.

Next Qld election is 10 months off, and if she’s going to bow out, it should probably be soon in order to give her successor a decent run in.

I suspect, however, that she’ll back herself.

Bubblecar said:

diddly-squat said:

Spiny Norman said:

What a piece of shit he is.

Hamas do need to be completely removed from power though.. that much is true

+1

..as does Bibi and his cronies.

there is at least a democratic process in Israel

diddly-squat said:

Bubblecar said:

diddly-squat said:

Hamas do need to be completely removed from power though.. that much is true

+1

..as does Bibi and his cronies.

there is at least a democratic process in Israel

Till the not short knives come out

The Queensland premier is set to receive a salary increase of nearly $50,000 by 2025, while the opposition leader’s salary will rise by more than $30,000 in that time.

Politicians alwats seem to give themselves a raise when everybody else is hurting.

Lambie, Pocock hand Labor big win on same job, same pay laws

Paul Sakkal

Labour hire workers will be paid more and intentional wage theft will be criminalised after Employment Minister Tony Burke secured a surprise deal with Senate crossbenchers to pass his same job, same pay laws.

Unions hailed the changes while peak business groups and the Coalition labelled it a sneaky deal that would increase business costs and hinder the economy.

Burke clinched the political victory – which split the government’s workplace bill in two but allowed its controversial labour hire changes to go through the Senate on the final sitting day of the year – after weeks of talks with independents Jacqui Lambie and David Pocock.

Gig economy and casual worker reforms were not included in the agreement, which was also backed by independent senator Lidia Thorpe and the Greens, and will be voted on next year.

Business groups representing companies including BHP and Qantas, which both use labour hire, spent millions campaigning against the same job, same pay changes, which aim to ensure employers don’t undercut enterprise agreements by bringing in auxiliary workers on lower wages.

“Today is a really good day for workers’ wages and a really good day for workers’ safety,” Burke said, spruiking a win on a key Labor agenda item after a fortnight in which Labor also won support for environmental, water and National Disability and Insurance Scheme reforms.

“People are being underpaid by the labour hire loophole, that the small minority of employers think it’s okay to steal from a worker. Those days are over.”

In other changes, employers who deliberately underpay workers could be jailed for up to 10 years or fined $7.8 million, rather than merely being forced to pay back workers. Firms with 15 or fewer employees will be exempt from the new rules.

Greens leader Adam Bandt, who secured the criminalisation of superannuation theft in the bill, said his party would continue to campaign next year for a so-called right to disconnect from work emails and calls after-hours.

Other parts of the deal with Lambie and Pocock included criminalising industrial manslaughter; a review of the national authority for work safety and workers’ compensation Comcare; and boosting support for first responders with post-traumatic stress disorder.

Pocock, who along with Lambie initially wanted to push the labour hire changes into next year, said the deal proved parliament could work collaboratively.

“This is democracy working,” he said. “Being able to deliver for workers and first responders now things that have consensus. And we’ve both committed to working in good faith on the rest of the bill.”

Pocock and Lambie said the labour hire overhaul would stop companies using the practice to pay workers less and boost profits.

“I’ve had enough of having 12 different lots of payments for hosties out there when I get on a plane, knowing that they’re not getting paid the money that they should be paid,” Lambie said.

“I’m sick and tired of miners doing the same damn job where some $30,000 a year.”

Opposition industrial relations spokeswoman Michaelia Cash warned the new rules would make businesses more costly to run, which would lead to firms hiking prices.

“They’ve rushed the bill through on the last day of sitting with no debate,” Cash said, arguing the policy was a case of Labor being led astray by trade unions.

Australian Council of Trade Unions secretary Sally McManus said “companies that will be crying loudest about these changes are some of Australia’s biggest and most profitable”, as big business signalled it would fight the remainder of the proposed bill.

Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry boss Andrew McKellar said: “There is a breach of trust here. This is a dishonourable deal that has been done in the shadow of the Christmas recess.”

good

Bogsnorkler said:

Lambie, Pocock hand Labor big win on same job, same pay laws

Paul Sakkal

Labour hire workers will be paid more and intentional wage theft will be criminalised after Employment Minister Tony Burke secured a surprise deal with Senate crossbenchers to pass his same job, same pay laws.

Unions hailed the changes while peak business groups and the Coalition labelled it a sneaky deal that would increase business costs and hinder the economy.

Burke clinched the political victory – which split the government’s workplace bill in two but allowed its controversial labour hire changes to go through the Senate on the final sitting day of the year – after weeks of talks with independents Jacqui Lambie and David Pocock.

Gig economy and casual worker reforms were not included in the agreement, which was also backed by independent senator Lidia Thorpe and the Greens, and will be voted on next year.

Business groups representing companies including BHP and Qantas, which both use labour hire, spent millions campaigning against the same job, same pay changes, which aim to ensure employers don’t undercut enterprise agreements by bringing in auxiliary workers on lower wages.

“Today is a really good day for workers’ wages and a really good day for workers’ safety,” Burke said, spruiking a win on a key Labor agenda item after a fortnight in which Labor also won support for environmental, water and National Disability and Insurance Scheme reforms.

“People are being underpaid by the labour hire loophole, that the small minority of employers think it’s okay to steal from a worker. Those days are over.”

In other changes, employers who deliberately underpay workers could be jailed for up to 10 years or fined $7.8 million, rather than merely being forced to pay back workers. Firms with 15 or fewer employees will be exempt from the new rules.

Greens leader Adam Bandt, who secured the criminalisation of superannuation theft in the bill, said his party would continue to campaign next year for a so-called right to disconnect from work emails and calls after-hours.

Other parts of the deal with Lambie and Pocock included criminalising industrial manslaughter; a review of the national authority for work safety and workers’ compensation Comcare; and boosting support for first responders with post-traumatic stress disorder.

Pocock, who along with Lambie initially wanted to push the labour hire changes into next year, said the deal proved parliament could work collaboratively.

“This is democracy working,” he said. “Being able to deliver for workers and first responders now things that have consensus. And we’ve both committed to working in good faith on the rest of the bill.”

Pocock and Lambie said the labour hire overhaul would stop companies using the practice to pay workers less and boost profits.

“I’ve had enough of having 12 different lots of payments for hosties out there when I get on a plane, knowing that they’re not getting paid the money that they should be paid,” Lambie said.

“I’m sick and tired of miners doing the same damn job where some $30,000 a year.”

Opposition industrial relations spokeswoman Michaelia Cash warned the new rules would make businesses more costly to run, which would lead to firms hiking prices.

“They’ve rushed the bill through on the last day of sitting with no debate,” Cash said, arguing the policy was a case of Labor being led astray by trade unions.

Australian Council of Trade Unions secretary Sally McManus said “companies that will be crying loudest about these changes are some of Australia’s biggest and most profitable”, as big business signalled it would fight the remainder of the proposed bill.

Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry boss Andrew McKellar said: “There is a breach of trust here. This is a dishonourable deal that has been done in the shadow of the Christmas recess.”

https://youtu.be/Xddl8fpf2uA?si=RUFugf6dG7zJx7EA

Summer Holiday by Cliff Richard (with lyrics)

monkey skipper said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Lambie, Pocock hand Labor big win on same job, same pay laws

Paul Sakkal

Labour hire workers will be paid more and intentional wage theft will be criminalised after Employment Minister Tony Burke secured a surprise deal with Senate crossbenchers to pass his same job, same pay laws.

Unions hailed the changes while peak business groups and the Coalition labelled it a sneaky deal that would increase business costs and hinder the economy.

Burke clinched the political victory – which split the government’s workplace bill in two but allowed its controversial labour hire changes to go through the Senate on the final sitting day of the year – after weeks of talks with independents Jacqui Lambie and David Pocock.

Gig economy and casual worker reforms were not included in the agreement, which was also backed by independent senator Lidia Thorpe and the Greens, and will be voted on next year.

Business groups representing companies including BHP and Qantas, which both use labour hire, spent millions campaigning against the same job, same pay changes, which aim to ensure employers don’t undercut enterprise agreements by bringing in auxiliary workers on lower wages.

“Today is a really good day for workers’ wages and a really good day for workers’ safety,” Burke said, spruiking a win on a key Labor agenda item after a fortnight in which Labor also won support for environmental, water and National Disability and Insurance Scheme reforms.

“People are being underpaid by the labour hire loophole, that the small minority of employers think it’s okay to steal from a worker. Those days are over.”

In other changes, employers who deliberately underpay workers could be jailed for up to 10 years or fined $7.8 million, rather than merely being forced to pay back workers. Firms with 15 or fewer employees will be exempt from the new rules.

Greens leader Adam Bandt, who secured the criminalisation of superannuation theft in the bill, said his party would continue to campaign next year for a so-called right to disconnect from work emails and calls after-hours.

Other parts of the deal with Lambie and Pocock included criminalising industrial manslaughter; a review of the national authority for work safety and workers’ compensation Comcare; and boosting support for first responders with post-traumatic stress disorder.

Pocock, who along with Lambie initially wanted to push the labour hire changes into next year, said the deal proved parliament could work collaboratively.

“This is democracy working,” he said. “Being able to deliver for workers and first responders now things that have consensus. And we’ve both committed to working in good faith on the rest of the bill.”

Pocock and Lambie said the labour hire overhaul would stop companies using the practice to pay workers less and boost profits.

“I’ve had enough of having 12 different lots of payments for hosties out there when I get on a plane, knowing that they’re not getting paid the money that they should be paid,” Lambie said.

“I’m sick and tired of miners doing the same damn job where some $30,000 a year.”

Opposition industrial relations spokeswoman Michaelia Cash warned the new rules would make businesses more costly to run, which would lead to firms hiking prices.

“They’ve rushed the bill through on the last day of sitting with no debate,” Cash said, arguing the policy was a case of Labor being led astray by trade unions.

Australian Council of Trade Unions secretary Sally McManus said “companies that will be crying loudest about these changes are some of Australia’s biggest and most profitable”, as big business signalled it would fight the remainder of the proposed bill.

Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry boss Andrew McKellar said: “There is a breach of trust here. This is a dishonourable deal that has been done in the shadow of the Christmas recess.”

https://youtu.be/Xddl8fpf2uA?si=RUFugf6dG7zJx7EA

Summer Holiday by Cliff Richard (with lyrics)

Just replace people with more automation. Less union interference.

Coal power continues to expand in China, despite the government’s pledges and goals. In the first half of 2023, construction was started on 37 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity, 52 GW was permitted, while 41 GW of new projects were announced and 8 GW of previously shelved projects were revived.29 Aug 2023

Good luck with net zero

And we’ve just added 1.5 million people all needing possibly the most expensive power on the planet

We bring in measures to drive our bills up, the chinese build powerstations and use coal like crazy

In total, we expect China’s coal demand in 2023 to grow by about 3.5% to 4 679 Mt, with demand from the power sector up 4.5% and demand from non-power uses growing by 2%.

I’m afraid you and young friends are quite mistaken

These powerstations are fully operational

wookiemeister said:

Coal power continues to expand in China, despite the government’s pledges and goals. In the first half of 2023, construction was started on 37 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity, 52 GW was permitted, while 41 GW of new projects were announced and 8 GW of previously shelved projects were revived.29 Aug 2023

Good luck with net zero

And we’ve just added 1.5 million people all needing possibly the most expensive power on the planet

We bring in measures to drive our bills up, the chinese build powerstations and use coal like crazy

God made coal 6,000 years ago so that we could keep warm and cool.

Peak Warming Man said:

wookiemeister said:

Coal power continues to expand in China, despite the government’s pledges and goals. In the first half of 2023, construction was started on 37 gigawatts (GW) of new coal power capacity, 52 GW was permitted, while 41 GW of new projects were announced and 8 GW of previously shelved projects were revived.29 Aug 2023

Good luck with net zero

And we’ve just added 1.5 million people all needing possibly the most expensive power on the planet

We bring in measures to drive our bills up, the chinese build powerstations and use coal like crazy

God made coal 6,000 years ago so that we could keep warm and cool.

That’s the beneficial God you are talking about?

I think the emperor kept things real, he didn’t subscribe to “woke”

All we had when the emperor died was more needless deaths and endless spin-offs where all the main characters became diverse and gay.

wookiemeister said:

I think the emperor kept things real, he didn’t subscribe to “woke”

All we had when the emperor died was more needless deaths and endless spin-offs where all the main characters became diverse and gay.

I’m not sure that neither you nor I know what you are talking about.

Looks like there might slowly, eventually be some action on foreign ownership of residential property in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-10/foreign-investor-vacant-home-fee-increase/103210808
link

I don’t have huge expectations, but at least politicians are talking about it.

party_pants said:

Looks like there might slowly, eventually be some action on foreign ownership of residential property in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-10/foreign-investor-vacant-home-fee-increase/103210808
link

I don’t have huge expectations, but at least politicians are talking about it.

I reckon the foreign investors will put houses on the rental market at inflated prices so they get past the fee but still don’t have to rent

Annastacia Palaszczuk quits.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/10/queensland-premier-annastacia-palaszczuk-retires-from-politics?CMP=soc_568

Spiny Norman said:

Annastacia Palaszczuk quits.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/10/queensland-premier-annastacia-palaszczuk-retires-from-politics?CMP=soc_568

I’ll just transclude my chat comments

dv said:

OCDC said:

Annastacia’s resigning. Is she the last of the lockdown premiers?

She can be very proud of her achievements. She took over when the ALP were utterly wiped out and a lot of commentators were thinking she was a temp to give Labor some time to pick the real leader.

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

Annastacia Palaszczuk quits.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/10/queensland-premier-annastacia-palaszczuk-retires-from-politics?CMP=soc_568

I’ll just transclude my chat comments

dv said:

OCDC said:

Annastacia’s resigning. Is she the last of the lockdown premiers?

She can be very proud of her achievements. She took over when the ALP were utterly wiped out and a lot of commentators were thinking she was a temp to give Labor some time to pick the real leader.

Apologies, I didn’t go through chat, etc, just had a quick look for this thread.

Spiny Norman said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

Annastacia Palaszczuk quits.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/10/queensland-premier-annastacia-palaszczuk-retires-from-politics?CMP=soc_568

I’ll just transclude my chat comments

She can be very proud of her achievements. She took over when the ALP were utterly wiped out and a lot of commentators were thinking she was a temp to give Labor some time to pick the real leader.

Apologies, I didn’t go through chat, etc, just had a quick look for this thread.

No need to apologise, you did the right thing

Spiny Norman said:

Annastacia Palaszczuk quits.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/10/queensland-premier-annastacia-palaszczuk-retires-from-politics?CMP=soc_568

Well that’s out of left field. Onl the other day she got a $50,000 pa raise.

Manufacturing Discontent

Jordies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__8gZEp8bZ0

Steven Miles will be the next premier of Queensland after Health Minister Shannon Fentiman withdrew her candidacy for the job.

A deal was struck between Mr Miles’ camp, which is made up of United Workers Union MPs, and Mr Dick’s Right faction on Monday night.

Mr Miles will become the 40th premier of Queensland. It is understood that Mr Dick, who is currently the treasurer, will be elevated to deputy premier.

OCDC said:

Steven Miles will be the next premier of Queensland after Health Minister Shannon Fentiman withdrew her candidacy for the job.

A deal was struck between Mr Miles’ camp, which is made up of United Workers Union MPs, and Mr Dick’s Right faction on Monday night.

Mr Miles will become the 40th premier of Queensland. It is understood that Mr Dick, who is currently the treasurer, will be elevated to deputy premier.

Deputy Dick eh.

OCDC said:

Steven Miles will be the next premier of Queensland after Health Minister Shannon Fentiman withdrew her candidacy for the job.

A deal was struck between Mr Miles’ camp, which is made up of United Workers Union MPs, and Mr Dick’s Right faction on Monday night.

Mr Miles will become the 40th premier of Queensland. It is understood that Mr Dick, who is currently the treasurer, will be elevated to deputy premier.

If my name was Mr Dick I’m pretty sure I’d change it.

Bubblecar said:

OCDC said:

Steven Miles will be the next premier of Queensland after Health Minister Shannon Fentiman withdrew her candidacy for the job.

A deal was struck between Mr Miles’ camp, which is made up of United Workers Union MPs, and Mr Dick’s Right faction on Monday night.

Mr Miles will become the 40th premier of Queensland. It is understood that Mr Dick, who is currently the treasurer, will be elevated to deputy premier.

If my name was Mr Dick I’m pretty sure I’d change it.

You could always change it to Mr Richard.

Woodie said:

Bubblecar said:

OCDC said:

Steven Miles will be the next premier of Queensland after Health Minister Shannon Fentiman withdrew her candidacy for the job.

A deal was struck between Mr Miles’ camp, which is made up of United Workers Union MPs, and Mr Dick’s Right faction on Monday night.

Mr Miles will become the 40th premier of Queensland. It is understood that Mr Dick, who is currently the treasurer, will be elevated to deputy premier.

If my name was Mr Dick I’m pretty sure I’d change it.

You could always change it to Mr Richard.

But everyone would still know him as a dick.

OCDC said:

Steven Miles will be the next premier of Queensland after Health Minister Shannon Fentiman withdrew her candidacy for the job.

A deal was struck between Mr Miles’ camp, which is made up of United Workers Union MPs, and Mr Dick’s Right faction on Monday night.

Mr Miles will become the 40th premier of Queensland. It is understood that Mr Dick, who is currently the treasurer, will be elevated to deputy premier.

Bit surprised that someone from Labor Left would get the nod in Queensland.

Unless I am very much mistaken, Palaszczuk is the second longest serving leader of the Qld Labor party, only beaten by Forgan Smith.

The electoral district of Inala has always been represented by a member of the Palaszczuk family since the seat was created 41 years ago in the post-gerrymander redistributions.

dv said:

Unless I am very much mistaken, Palaszczuk is the second longest serving leader of the Qld Labor party, only beaten by Forgan Smith.

The electoral district of Inala has always been represented by a member of the Palaszczuk family since the seat was created 41 years ago in the post-gerrymander redistributions.

Hah, my parents and younger siblings lived in that area from 1973 to 1985. Ish. I was there for 10 months. Wonder what they thought of the Palaszczuk family. All of them were involved in QLD social justice issues. I nearly got arrested with them in a few marches.

OCDC said:

very funny.

Catching up on this topic, especially Queensland stuff. Steve looks fresh.

kii said:

Catching up on this topic, especially Queensland stuff. Steve looks fresh.

Ooo…blue collar background. Got a Wayne Goss scholarship.
My mother wanted to marry me off to Wayne. When he was the lawyer for Women’s House. Pretty sure he was already married at that point

https://pulsehobart.com.au/news/hobart-mayor-hints-at-light-rail-in-exchange-for-glenorchy-council-merger/

Hobart mayor hints at light rail in exchange for Glenorchy council merger

Hobart and Glenorchy councils could potentially merge to create a ‘Western Shore’ mega council if the Future of Local Government Review’s ‘final report’ moves forward.

Hobart’s Lord Mayor Anna Reynolds says the option of merging with neighbouring Glenorchy has not been ruled out and her council would consider the report carefully.

“Certainly we are neighbouring councils and it’d be fabulous to see the two cities joined together by a wonderful light rail system, so maybe we could say to the state government we’ll amalgamate if you give us a fabulous new light rail system to connect the cities,” she said on Friday.

“We’ll need to see the business case in a sense of what’s in it for Hobart and Glenorchy residents and ultimately they will also get a say through a vote.”

dv said:

https://pulsehobart.com.au/news/hobart-mayor-hints-at-light-rail-in-exchange-for-glenorchy-council-merger/

Hobart mayor hints at light rail in exchange for Glenorchy council merger

Hobart and Glenorchy councils could potentially merge to create a ‘Western Shore’ mega council if the Future of Local Government Review’s ‘final report’ moves forward.

Hobart’s Lord Mayor Anna Reynolds says the option of merging with neighbouring Glenorchy has not been ruled out and her council would consider the report carefully.

“Certainly we are neighbouring councils and it’d be fabulous to see the two cities joined together by a wonderful light rail system, so maybe we could say to the state government we’ll amalgamate if you give us a fabulous new light rail system to connect the cities,” she said on Friday.

“We’ll need to see the business case in a sense of what’s in it for Hobart and Glenorchy residents and ultimately they will also get a say through a vote.”

could they have the football dome thing too?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://pulsehobart.com.au/news/hobart-mayor-hints-at-light-rail-in-exchange-for-glenorchy-council-merger/

Hobart mayor hints at light rail in exchange for Glenorchy council merger

Hobart and Glenorchy councils could potentially merge to create a ‘Western Shore’ mega council if the Future of Local Government Review’s ‘final report’ moves forward.

Hobart’s Lord Mayor Anna Reynolds says the option of merging with neighbouring Glenorchy has not been ruled out and her council would consider the report carefully.

“Certainly we are neighbouring councils and it’d be fabulous to see the two cities joined together by a wonderful light rail system, so maybe we could say to the state government we’ll amalgamate if you give us a fabulous new light rail system to connect the cities,” she said on Friday.

“We’ll need to see the business case in a sense of what’s in it for Hobart and Glenorchy residents and ultimately they will also get a say through a vote.”

could they have the football dome thing too?

I am mostly against council amalgamations. I like to keep my democracies local. But there is a lot be said in favour of that one. It still retains local in a way. Have to be cheaper to provide a lot of services.

not sure on the politics of it. Hobart would have to lose on the Green representation iin the mix.

Redbridge polling for WA.

State voting intention 59.4 – 40.6 to ALP

Federal voting intention 55.2 – 44.8 ALP

The Federal voting intention in WA is basically on par with the 2022 result which is a rare bit of good news for Labor, who are doing to a 2.8% lead in the overall federal polling average.

Thought I should share the latest from SkyNews

Anti-human: Scientists claim that breathing is ‘bad’ for the environment.

Must have run out of things to say about Albo.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Thought I should share the latest from SkyNews

Anti-human: Scientists claim that breathing is ‘bad’ for the environment.

Must have run out of things to say about Albo.

Can’t you turn that feature off?

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Thought I should share the latest from SkyNews

Anti-human: Scientists claim that breathing is ‘bad’ for the environment.

Must have run out of things to say about Albo.

Can’t you turn that feature off?

Could do, but I’m starting to enjoy seeing how bad it gets.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://pulsehobart.com.au/news/hobart-mayor-hints-at-light-rail-in-exchange-for-glenorchy-council-merger/

Hobart mayor hints at light rail in exchange for Glenorchy council merger

Hobart and Glenorchy councils could potentially merge to create a ‘Western Shore’ mega council if the Future of Local Government Review’s ‘final report’ moves forward.

Hobart’s Lord Mayor Anna Reynolds says the option of merging with neighbouring Glenorchy has not been ruled out and her council would consider the report carefully.

“Certainly we are neighbouring councils and it’d be fabulous to see the two cities joined together by a wonderful light rail system, so maybe we could say to the state government we’ll amalgamate if you give us a fabulous new light rail system to connect the cities,” she said on Friday.

“We’ll need to see the business case in a sense of what’s in it for Hobart and Glenorchy residents and ultimately they will also get a say through a vote.”

could they have the football dome thing too?

For real though it’s kind of weird that it’s not built yet.
Australia’s other middle sized cities had to lay out big sums to reacquire the corridors and lay new rail to put in light rail systems.

Hobart’s northern suburbs rail is just sitting right there. The state owns the right of way, the rail is in good condition.

Rockliff wants to remove it but it seems there is an independent blocking it? Hopefully they’ll be a change of government 6 months from now.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://pulsehobart.com.au/news/hobart-mayor-hints-at-light-rail-in-exchange-for-glenorchy-council-merger/

Hobart mayor hints at light rail in exchange for Glenorchy council merger

Hobart and Glenorchy councils could potentially merge to create a ‘Western Shore’ mega council if the Future of Local Government Review’s ‘final report’ moves forward.

Hobart’s Lord Mayor Anna Reynolds says the option of merging with neighbouring Glenorchy has not been ruled out and her council would consider the report carefully.

“Certainly we are neighbouring councils and it’d be fabulous to see the two cities joined together by a wonderful light rail system, so maybe we could say to the state government we’ll amalgamate if you give us a fabulous new light rail system to connect the cities,” she said on Friday.

“We’ll need to see the business case in a sense of what’s in it for Hobart and Glenorchy residents and ultimately they will also get a say through a vote.”

could they have the football dome thing too?

For real though it’s kind of weird that it’s not built yet.
Australia’s other middle sized cities had to lay out big sums to reacquire the corridors and lay new rail to put in light rail systems.

Hobart’s northern suburbs rail is just sitting right there. The state owns the right of way, the rail is in good condition.

Rockliff wants to remove it but it seems there is an independent blocking it? Hopefully they’ll be a change of government 6 months from now.

Amalgamation would lean things right. Perhaps right enough to get a cable car through.

dv said:

For real though it’s kind of weird that it’s not built yet.

With projects like that, actually building the thing can be something of an anti-climactic finish.

The real fun is often to be had in the horse-trading that can go on for years before the first shovelful of dirt is lifted.

Demanding this, threatening that, offering something in return, promising favours, lining up sinecures, giving and receiving ‘tokens of gratitude’, wining and dining, being treated like a big-wig, sucking up to other big-wigs, travel on expenses, a little bit of embezzlement (nothing too extreme), it’s all a rich tapestry, a happy trip on the gravy train, why rush into building the thing, the trough isn’t empty yet.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

could they have the football dome thing too?

For real though it’s kind of weird that it’s not built yet.
Australia’s other middle sized cities had to lay out big sums to reacquire the corridors and lay new rail to put in light rail systems.

Hobart’s northern suburbs rail is just sitting right there. The state owns the right of way, the rail is in good condition.

Rockliff wants to remove it but it seems there is an independent blocking it? Hopefully they’ll be a change of government 6 months from now.

Amalgamation would lean things right. Perhaps right enough to get a cable car through.

Which local government areas control the cable car territory?

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

For real though it’s kind of weird that it’s not built yet.
Australia’s other middle sized cities had to lay out big sums to reacquire the corridors and lay new rail to put in light rail systems.

Hobart’s northern suburbs rail is just sitting right there. The state owns the right of way, the rail is in good condition.

Rockliff wants to remove it but it seems there is an independent blocking it? Hopefully they’ll be a change of government 6 months from now.

Amalgamation would lean things right. Perhaps right enough to get a cable car through.

Which local government areas control the cable car territory?

hobart.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Amalgamation would lean things right. Perhaps right enough to get a cable car through.

Which local government areas control the cable car territory?

hobart.

i went to a lecture at big campus in the geography dept. The lecturer there suggested that tasmania should have councils based on watershed. Hobart and all the derwent/ huon valleys. Everything Tamar valley and north east. And everything west. His idea was that you would shed a lot of equipment needs.

that amalgamation would see councils that lie in a long row along one bank of the river. And covering a lot of population ..under one umbrella. it would make it easier to put in said rail.

dv said:

Not if you use an unbounded operator.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Not if you use an unbounded operator.

TATE tells me that “the term “unbounded operator” can be misleading”,

which I can well believe.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/12/18/gina-rinehart-afr-business-person-of-the-year/

sarahs mum said:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/12/18/gina-rinehart-afr-business-person-of-the-year/

A really awful, self-serving bitch without a scrap of concern for the wellbeing of anything else. Her and Murdoch are a good match.

PermeateFree said:

sarahs mum said:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/12/18/gina-rinehart-afr-business-person-of-the-year/

A really awful, self-serving bitch without a scrap of concern for the wellbeing of anything else. Her and Murdoch are a good match.

Imagine the love child

Jeremy Rockliff’s determination to not go to the polls in 2024
The Examiner | Launceston, TAS
19 December 2023
Rogue members of parliament, the loss of his father and leading the state government in a time when many Tasmanians are feeling financial pain.
It has been a challenging year for Premier Jeremy Rockliff but he says he is resolute to get on with the job.
“You have to play with the cards you are dealt, not whinge nor carry on or make personal attacks,” Mr Rockliff said.
“Tasmanians don’t want politicians to do that especially when they are doing it tough. Tasmanians expect the government to support them through hard times.”
Mr Rockliff said he wanted to continue on as premier for as “long as he could” and wanted his government to see out its full term before calling the next election.
“The election is not due till May, 2025 and my ambition is to last a full term,” he said.
“It has been a challenging year, anyone can recognise that, but the team I lead is really gelling together.
“It is a fresh team in many respects with new enthusiastic members of parliaments and some very, very busy ministers.
“There is no reason to go to an election early despite the minority government situation.”
In May, Lara Alexander and John Tucker quit as Liberals citing concerns about the government’s “lack of transparency.”
Then in October, Attorney General Elise Archer quit the party. Initially, Ms Archer said she was considering remaining in the the parliament as an independent but Mr Rockliff told her to lock a decision in or he would call an election. Ms Archer left parliament.
Mr Rockliff said there were things he would continue to challenge the boundaries on including Tasmania getting its own AFL team and the development of Macquarie Point.
“It is not a job where you rest on your laurels,” he said.
“We have things to get done. We have clear targets on housing and Tasmania is leading in terms of dwelling starts.
“The focus is now on continuing building momentum in the economy.
“I love building things such as the new Penguin District School, work on the Mersey Community Hospital and North-West companies will be involved in the building of the Bridgewater bridge.”
He said Tasmania’s traditional economic drivers, agriculture, forestry, mining and aquaculture needed to have solid government backing.
“But there are new industries and Tasmania continues to punch above its scale. Industries such as SunCable which is looking to set up a cable manufacturing facility at Bell Bay.
“They are talking about 400 jobs and manufacturing the cables that connect the world right here. Tasmania has the potential to build its own second Marinus link cable.”
Mr Rockliff was then asked the most important question of all: when will the big spud be back in its rightful place on the Bass Highway at Sassafras?
“The foundations have been laid for the big spud’s return and he will be back early in the new year,” Mr Rockliff said.

ABC News:

I wish that B.A. Santmaria was still around.

The Liberal party not only having a Chinese Communist Party operative in its ranks, but also having actually put him up as an election candidate…

Poor ol’ Bob would have exploded all of the set of ‘Point of View’.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

I wish that B.A. Santmaria was still around.

The Liberal party not only having a Chinese Communist Party operative in its ranks, but also having actually put him up as an election candidate…

Poor ol’ Bob would have exploded all of the set of ‘Point of View’.

..all over the set of…

NT chief minister Natasha Fyles has resigned following revelations she failed to disclose shares.

Who’s up for another War? | The West Report

Westy talks about Albo’s decision not to send a warship to the Middle East as the US wants to “defend its trading routes” in the Red Sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0bYeFTxEA

sarahs mum said:

Who’s up for another War? | The West Report

Westy talks about Albo’s decision not to send a warship to the Middle East as the US wants to “defend its trading routes” in the Red Sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0bYeFTxEA

Apparently our future fund is doing well out of its investment into Israeli weapon manufacture.

sarahs mum said:

Who’s up for another War? | The West Report

Westy talks about Albo’s decision not to send a warship to the Middle East as the US wants to “defend its trading routes” in the Red Sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0bYeFTxEA

Its ok, the Labor party is bringing in thousands of Palestinians, each way albo. Gets involved in a war against Palestinians, brings in thousands of Palestinians. Can’t win those electorates without the vote of the 5th column.

wookiemeister said:

sarahs mum said:

Who’s up for another War? | The West Report

Westy talks about Albo’s decision not to send a warship to the Middle East as the US wants to “defend its trading routes” in the Red Sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0bYeFTxEA

Its ok, the Labor party is bringing in thousands of Palestinians, each way albo. Gets involved in a war against Palestinians, brings in thousands of Palestinians. Can’t win those electorates without the vote of the 5th column.

It’s true. It’s all gone to shit since they let you in.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

sarahs mum said:

Who’s up for another War? | The West Report

Westy talks about Albo’s decision not to send a warship to the Middle East as the US wants to “defend its trading routes” in the Red Sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0bYeFTxEA

Its ok, the Labor party is bringing in thousands of Palestinians, each way albo. Gets involved in a war against Palestinians, brings in thousands of Palestinians. Can’t win those electorates without the vote of the 5th column.

It’s true. It’s all gone to shit since they let you in.

Since the Israel-Hamas conflict began on 7 October, an extensive support network has sprung up to support families arriving in Australia from Gaza. The Australian government has approved more than 800 visas for Palestinians with connections to Australia.

Of the successful visa applicants from Gaza, 143 have arrived in Australia in the past month and, in many cases, those individuals have received support from people such as Hajaj, who are not formally part of any organisation or charity effort.

Those who arrive must be attached to a sponsor, who must be a family member and an Australian citizen who commits to supporting them.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

sarahs mum said:

Who’s up for another War? | The West Report

Westy talks about Albo’s decision not to send a warship to the Middle East as the US wants to “defend its trading routes” in the Red Sea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm0bYeFTxEA

Its ok, the Labor party is bringing in thousands of Palestinians, each way albo. Gets involved in a war against Palestinians, brings in thousands of Palestinians. Can’t win those electorates without the vote of the 5th column.

It’s true. It’s all gone to shit since they let you in.

We probably don’t have ship that’s ready to go, either.

The air-warfare destroyers are probably wound down for the Xmas/New Year period (it’s a major leave period, y’know), and most likely due for refits, anyway.

The Anzac/MEKO frigates are getting a bit long in the tooth for extended-period, long-distance deployments, they only have an 8-cell launcher for anti-air missiles, and their radars (while good) may not be up to the anti-drone task.

I should clarify that, while the Anzac/MEKO ships have a launcher with only 8 cells, each cell has 3 reloads, giving a total capability of 32 launches.

ABC News:

It will be interesting to see if recent events have taught Ms Lawler anything about ‘disclosure’ and ‘conflict of interest’.

Sky News and Daily Mail headline writers are having orgasms over the news that SBS have apologised to Warren Mundine for cutting off his microphone during coverage of the Voice election.

More reputable sources, including SBS, are strangely silent on the matter.

Redbridge polling has ALP ahead 52.8-47.2. This is a slimmer lead than their last poll 53.5-46.5 about six weeks ago.

Newspoll’s last poll of the year has the lead at 52-48.

Morgan however has it as a tie, 50-50.

Uncertainty is a natural part of statistics and this kind of scatter of results is what you’d expect from polls of this size.

Polling averages, then, are usually more instructive and the Bludgertrack polling average at present reads 51.7-48.3.

The Victorian government is being asked to investigate whether former governor-general and Anglican archbishop Peter Hollingworth is suitable to hold a Working With Children Check after a church review found he had neglected children.

In a letter seen by the ABC, Victoria’s Commission for Children and Young People says the Anglican Diocese of Melbourne investigated seven reportable allegations against Dr Hollingworth, and found two were substantiated.

“These allegations related to Dr Hollingworth’s failure to take action to protect children,” the letter reads.

It says in both cases, the Diocese found there was “significant neglect of a child”.

Who votes in morons like this??

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

Other morons?

roughbarked said:

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

Other morons?

we’ll all be moroned

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

Its been going in for decades.

No one talks about this anymore

The Maralinga Test Site was closed in 1967. Two clean-up operations failed to remove radioactive contamination, however, and the site remains uninhabitable to this day. Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years.

What Idiotic government brings in 1.5 million extra people in a housing crisis

Where’s all the power and water coming from?

More people, more land clearing, more habitat destruction

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

It’s rude to call PWM a moron ya know…

runs away

Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

It’s rude to call PWM a moron ya know…

runs away

125°C!

That was a hot day. Everybody in Bourke boiled to death, I suppose.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

It’s rude to call PWM a moron ya know…

runs away

125°C!

That was a hot day. Everybody in Bourke boiled to death, I suppose.

It’s enough to make your blood boil.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

It’s rude to call PWM a moron ya know…

runs away

125°C!

That was a hot day. Everybody in Bourke boiled to death, I suppose.

It’s OK, it was a dry heat.

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s rude to call PWM a moron ya know…

runs away

125°C!

That was a hot day. Everybody in Bourke boiled to death, I suppose.

It’s OK, it was a dry heat.

Because all the water boiled off?

roughbarked said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

125°C!

That was a hot day. Everybody in Bourke boiled to death, I suppose.

It’s OK, it was a dry heat.

Because all the water boiled off?

It was a high pressure area.

Spiny Norman said:

Who votes in morons like this??

Goddam, thats hot- hotter than hell
I mean how could people survive that kind of heat- what with the rivers and seas boiling, water boiling in the pipes and water tanks

https://www.perthnow.com.au/local-news/perthnow-cockburn/north-coogee-locals-continue-to-fight-for-name-change-as-council-supports-catherine-point-c-12942819

Cockburn council want to rename North Coogee to Catherine Point.

Maybe they should rename Cockburn.

Major Australian employment service accused of claiming credit for work jobseeker found herself
Exclusive: Documents seen by Guardian Australia suggest job provider APM referred woman for role she had already won; APM deny wrongdoing

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/27/apm-jobseeker-referral-incentive-payments

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This happened to Brett. He scored himself a job. The providers took credit. They wanted all the info. He gave it to them. And then they rang his new employer enough to thoroughly piss him off to the point where he said he would never employ anyone again through one of these agencies.

I remember asking Brett if they had said anything about a clothing allowance. Yes. It’s possible to get some new kit says I. He asked the provider and they said no. But then they rang back later saying yes. And then instead of being given some cash like in days of yore he was required to llist what was needed and then they came back with an approval and then he had to go and pick up the cash and then he had to return with the reciepts.

It’s all designed for the maximum amount of things to bill for.

sarahs mum said:

Major Australian employment service accused of claiming credit for work jobseeker found herself
Exclusive: Documents seen by Guardian Australia suggest job provider APM referred woman for role she had already won; APM deny wrongdoing

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/27/apm-jobseeker-referral-incentive-payments

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This happened to Brett. He scored himself a job. The providers took credit. They wanted all the info. He gave it to them. And then they rang his new employer enough to thoroughly piss him off to the point where he said he would never employ anyone again through one of these agencies.

I remember asking Brett if they had said anything about a clothing allowance. Yes. It’s possible to get some new kit says I. He asked the provider and they said no. But then they rang back later saying yes. And then instead of being given some cash like in days of yore he was required to llist what was needed and then they came back with an approval and then he had to go and pick up the cash and then he had to return with the reciepts.

It’s all designed for the maximum amount of things to bill for.

I wonder how much they have made charging the govt for jobs they did not find.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Major Australian employment service accused of claiming credit for work jobseeker found herself
Exclusive: Documents seen by Guardian Australia suggest job provider APM referred woman for role she had already won; APM deny wrongdoing

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/27/apm-jobseeker-referral-incentive-payments

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This happened to Brett. He scored himself a job. The providers took credit. They wanted all the info. He gave it to them. And then they rang his new employer enough to thoroughly piss him off to the point where he said he would never employ anyone again through one of these agencies.

I remember asking Brett if they had said anything about a clothing allowance. Yes. It’s possible to get some new kit says I. He asked the provider and they said no. But then they rang back later saying yes. And then instead of being given some cash like in days of yore he was required to llist what was needed and then they came back with an approval and then he had to go and pick up the cash and then he had to return with the reciepts.

It’s all designed for the maximum amount of things to bill for.

I wonder how much they have made charging the govt for jobs they did not find.

Rampant corruption is to be expected I suppose.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Major Australian employment service accused of claiming credit for work jobseeker found herself
Exclusive: Documents seen by Guardian Australia suggest job provider APM referred woman for role she had already won; APM deny wrongdoing

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/27/apm-jobseeker-referral-incentive-payments

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This happened to Brett. He scored himself a job. The providers took credit. They wanted all the info. He gave it to them. And then they rang his new employer enough to thoroughly piss him off to the point where he said he would never employ anyone again through one of these agencies.

I remember asking Brett if they had said anything about a clothing allowance. Yes. It’s possible to get some new kit says I. He asked the provider and they said no. But then they rang back later saying yes. And then instead of being given some cash like in days of yore he was required to llist what was needed and then they came back with an approval and then he had to go and pick up the cash and then he had to return with the reciepts.

It’s all designed for the maximum amount of things to bill for.

I wonder how much they have made charging the govt for jobs they did not find.

WfA providers hardly EVER find you a job. They are mostly Compliance Police. Mutual Obligation says YOU have to apply for a certain number of jobs each fortnight. If you get a job, then it is usually one of the ones you found and applied for yourself. WfA providers can make a claim at 12 weeks if you are still employed, regardless of who actually found the job. Another claim can be made at 26 weeks if you are still employed there.

And not to my knowledge have they ever just given you cash to go buy your own “kit”. Get yourself a Purchase Order for it, and they will pay for it under most circumstances. Sometimes, you pay for it, and they will refund on production of a receipt. Rarely do they do it this way unless pre-approved. I have known many laptops to be provided to Jobseekers this way. And “kit” of course, if needed.

BTW WfA providers do not pay for any of this sort of stuff out of their own funds. It comes from a general “bucket” of government funding called the “Employment Fund”. WfA providers have general “guidelines” on what can and can’t be claimed for “kit” etc..

APM is a DES provider, and hence get additional funding per client, but not have as much access to the “Employment Fund”.

Here endeth the lesson.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Major Australian employment service accused of claiming credit for work jobseeker found herself
Exclusive: Documents seen by Guardian Australia suggest job provider APM referred woman for role she had already won; APM deny wrongdoing

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/27/apm-jobseeker-referral-incentive-payments

—-
This happened to Brett. He scored himself a job. The providers took credit. They wanted all the info. He gave it to them. And then they rang his new employer enough to thoroughly piss him off to the point where he said he would never employ anyone again through one of these agencies.

I remember asking Brett if they had said anything about a clothing allowance. Yes. It’s possible to get some new kit says I. He asked the provider and they said no. But then they rang back later saying yes. And then instead of being given some cash like in days of yore he was required to llist what was needed and then they came back with an approval and then he had to go and pick up the cash and then he had to return with the reciepts.

It’s all designed for the maximum amount of things to bill for.

I wonder how much they have made charging the govt for jobs they did not find.

Rampant corruption is to be expected I suppose.

It is not corruption. It is the way the WfA contracts work.

Seems to be a fairly esoteric distinction between corruption and Coalition governments setting up entire tax payer funded industries to divert cash to their personal friends.

dv said:

Seems to be a fairly esoteric distinction between corruption and Coalition governments setting up entire tax payer funded industries to divert cash to their personal friends.

What’s a few shopping bags between friends?

dv said:

Seems to be a fairly esoteric distinction between corruption and Coalition governments setting up entire tax payer funded industries to divert cash to their personal friends.

When this mechanism was first set up the contracts went to mostly religious charities to manage. Such as Wesley Mission and Salvos.. Tenders are issued and new contracts are issued every 5 years. The next round, most of the “religious” organisations did not have their contracts renewed. Most contracts went to non-denominational “not for profit” organisations. The latest round (as of 1st July 2022) went mostly to full commercial organisations, some listed on the ASX. The latest round, the mob I work for (NFP) lost all of their 22 Jobactive sites.

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Major Australian employment service accused of claiming credit for work jobseeker found herself
Exclusive: Documents seen by Guardian Australia suggest job provider APM referred woman for role she had already won; APM deny wrongdoing

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/27/apm-jobseeker-referral-incentive-payments

—-
This happened to Brett. He scored himself a job. The providers took credit. They wanted all the info. He gave it to them. And then they rang his new employer enough to thoroughly piss him off to the point where he said he would never employ anyone again through one of these agencies.

I remember asking Brett if they had said anything about a clothing allowance. Yes. It’s possible to get some new kit says I. He asked the provider and they said no. But then they rang back later saying yes. And then instead of being given some cash like in days of yore he was required to llist what was needed and then they came back with an approval and then he had to go and pick up the cash and then he had to return with the reciepts.

It’s all designed for the maximum amount of things to bill for.

I wonder how much they have made charging the govt for jobs they did not find.

WfA providers hardly EVER find you a job. They are mostly Compliance Police. Mutual Obligation says YOU have to apply for a certain number of jobs each fortnight. If you get a job, then it is usually one of the ones you found and applied for yourself. WfA providers can make a claim at 12 weeks if you are still employed, regardless of who actually found the job. Another claim can be made at 26 weeks if you are still employed there.

And not to my knowledge have they ever just given you cash to go buy your own “kit”. Get yourself a Purchase Order for it, and they will pay for it under most circumstances. Sometimes, you pay for it, and they will refund on production of a receipt. Rarely do they do it this way unless pre-approved. I have known many laptops to be provided to Jobseekers this way. And “kit” of course, if needed.

BTW WfA providers do not pay for any of this sort of stuff out of their own funds. It comes from a general “bucket” of government funding called the “Employment Fund”. WfA providers have general “guidelines” on what can and can’t be claimed for “kit” etc..

APM is a DES provider, and hence get additional funding per client, but not have as much access to the “Employment Fund”.

Here endeth the lesson.

I recalled that there was a different funding for ‘kit’ when first hubby scored it back in the 80s. that’s what made me ask whether anyone had mentioned it.

sarahs mum said:

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

I wonder how much they have made charging the govt for jobs they did not find.

WfA providers hardly EVER find you a job. They are mostly Compliance Police. Mutual Obligation says YOU have to apply for a certain number of jobs each fortnight. If you get a job, then it is usually one of the ones you found and applied for yourself. WfA providers can make a claim at 12 weeks if you are still employed, regardless of who actually found the job. Another claim can be made at 26 weeks if you are still employed there.

And not to my knowledge have they ever just given you cash to go buy your own “kit”. Get yourself a Purchase Order for it, and they will pay for it under most circumstances. Sometimes, you pay for it, and they will refund on production of a receipt. Rarely do they do it this way unless pre-approved. I have known many laptops to be provided to Jobseekers this way. And “kit” of course, if needed.

BTW WfA providers do not pay for any of this sort of stuff out of their own funds. It comes from a general “bucket” of government funding called the “Employment Fund”. WfA providers have general “guidelines” on what can and can’t be claimed for “kit” etc..

APM is a DES provider, and hence get additional funding per client, but not have as much access to the “Employment Fund”.

Here endeth the lesson.

I recalled that there was a different funding for ‘kit’ when first hubby scored it back in the 80s. that’s what made me ask whether anyone had mentioned it.

It was all DSS then. Not even Centrelink exited back then.

I was with Centrelink when the CES got the chop, and the Howard govt brought in the payments to private employment firms.

Everyone could see clearly that it was a money-for-mates scheme, and likely to be as effective as a fishnet raincoat.

There was ‘incentives’ for finding work for ‘disabled’ people, and the widely-held (and, as it turned out, correct) view was that the employment agencies would focus on ‘the disabled’, as finding a job for one such person provided that same payments as finding jobs for several ‘able-bodied’ people. No sense in knocking yourself out for the money.

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

Woodie said:

WfA providers hardly EVER find you a job. They are mostly Compliance Police. Mutual Obligation says YOU have to apply for a certain number of jobs each fortnight. If you get a job, then it is usually one of the ones you found and applied for yourself. WfA providers can make a claim at 12 weeks if you are still employed, regardless of who actually found the job. Another claim can be made at 26 weeks if you are still employed there.

And not to my knowledge have they ever just given you cash to go buy your own “kit”. Get yourself a Purchase Order for it, and they will pay for it under most circumstances. Sometimes, you pay for it, and they will refund on production of a receipt. Rarely do they do it this way unless pre-approved. I have known many laptops to be provided to Jobseekers this way. And “kit” of course, if needed.

BTW WfA providers do not pay for any of this sort of stuff out of their own funds. It comes from a general “bucket” of government funding called the “Employment Fund”. WfA providers have general “guidelines” on what can and can’t be claimed for “kit” etc..

APM is a DES provider, and hence get additional funding per client, but not have as much access to the “Employment Fund”.

Here endeth the lesson.

I recalled that there was a different funding for ‘kit’ when first hubby scored it back in the 80s. that’s what made me ask whether anyone had mentioned it.

It was all DSS then. Not even Centrelink exited back then.

Interestingly the document listing criteria for DSP is on a DSS website.

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

Woodie said:

WfA providers hardly EVER find you a job. They are mostly Compliance Police. Mutual Obligation says YOU have to apply for a certain number of jobs each fortnight. If you get a job, then it is usually one of the ones you found and applied for yourself. WfA providers can make a claim at 12 weeks if you are still employed, regardless of who actually found the job. Another claim can be made at 26 weeks if you are still employed there.

And not to my knowledge have they ever just given you cash to go buy your own “kit”. Get yourself a Purchase Order for it, and they will pay for it under most circumstances. Sometimes, you pay for it, and they will refund on production of a receipt. Rarely do they do it this way unless pre-approved. I have known many laptops to be provided to Jobseekers this way. And “kit” of course, if needed.

BTW WfA providers do not pay for any of this sort of stuff out of their own funds. It comes from a general “bucket” of government funding called the “Employment Fund”. WfA providers have general “guidelines” on what can and can’t be claimed for “kit” etc..

APM is a DES provider, and hence get additional funding per client, but not have as much access to the “Employment Fund”.

Here endeth the lesson.

I recalled that there was a different funding for ‘kit’ when first hubby scored it back in the 80s. that’s what made me ask whether anyone had mentioned it.

It was all DSS then. Not even Centrelink exited back then.

BTW, they will pay for “kit”, but you pretty much need a job offer to get it. And as said in the original post, they will call your potential employer to confirm the job offer before paying for the “kit”.

OCDC said:

Interestingly the document listing criteria for DSP is on a DSS website.

When Centrelink was brought into existence, the DSS did not cease to exist.

It became separate from Centrelink, and reduced in size to a very small department in Canberra, which was to focus on policy-making and suchlike, without any actual ‘delivery’ role.

captain_spalding said:

I was with Centrelink when the CES got the chop, and the Howard govt brought in the payments to private employment firms.

Everyone could see clearly that it was a money-for-mates scheme, and likely to be as effective as a fishnet raincoat.

There was ‘incentives’ for finding work for ‘disabled’ people, and the widely-held (and, as it turned out, correct) view was that the employment agencies would focus on ‘the disabled’, as finding a job for one such person provided that same payments as finding jobs for several ‘able-bodied’ people. No sense in knocking yourself out for the money.

DES contracts are now separate from the basic WfA contracts. So DES providers are DES only now.

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

I recalled that there was a different funding for ‘kit’ when first hubby scored it back in the 80s. that’s what made me ask whether anyone had mentioned it.

It was all DSS then. Not even Centrelink exited back then.

BTW, they will pay for “kit”, but you pretty much need a job offer to get it. And as said in the original post, they will call your potential employer to confirm the job offer before paying for the “kit”.

But they did say it was unavailable until pushed. But that was probably an uninformed case manager.

OCDC said:

Woodie said:

sarahs mum said:

I recalled that there was a different funding for ‘kit’ when first hubby scored it back in the 80s. that’s what made me ask whether anyone had mentioned it.

It was all DSS then. Not even Centrelink exited back then.

Interestingly the document listing criteria for DSP is on a DSS website.

DSP? Disability Support Pension???

Nothing to do with Employment Services which is DEWR (Department of Employment and Workplace Relations).

sarahs mum said:

Woodie said:

Woodie said:

It was all DSS then. Not even Centrelink exited back then.

BTW, they will pay for “kit”, but you pretty much need a job offer to get it. And as said in the original post, they will call your potential employer to confirm the job offer before paying for the “kit”.

But they did say it was unavailable until pushed. But that was probably an uninformed case manager.

No. It would have been dependant on his job offer, and his own potential to pay for it. They will say “no” to buying work “kit” if there is no job offer.

dv said:

Not just the ABC but the Guardian, Observer and leftish media in general, and you can hardly blame them.

He had become an unthinking caricature of the old-school West-hating lefty of his day. His views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine were not very different from wookie’s, just a lot more self-righteous.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Not just the ABC but the Guardian, Observer and leftish media in general, and you can hardly blame them.

He had become an unthinking caricature of the old-school West-hating lefty of his day. His views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine were not very different from wookie’s, just a lot more self-righteous.

He was very perceptive and cutting at times. He was also somewhat deluded and mistaken at times.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Not just the ABC but the Guardian, Observer and leftish media in general, and you can hardly blame them.

He had become an unthinking caricature of the old-school West-hating lefty of his day. His views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine were not very different from wookie’s, just a lot more self-righteous.

He was very perceptive and cutting at times. He was also somewhat deluded and mistaken at times.

A lot of this is upbringing and peer pressure. Where quite intelligent people start believing what are clearly wrong things.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Not just the ABC but the Guardian, Observer and leftish media in general, and you can hardly blame them.

He had become an unthinking caricature of the old-school West-hating lefty of his day. His views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine were not very different from wookie’s, just a lot more self-righteous.

He was very perceptive and cutting at times. He was also somewhat deluded and mistaken at times.

Yes

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Not just the ABC but the Guardian, Observer and leftish media in general, and you can hardly blame them.

He had become an unthinking caricature of the old-school West-hating lefty of his day. His views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine were not very different from wookie’s, just a lot more self-righteous.

He was very perceptive and cutting at times. He was also somewhat deluded and mistaken at times.

Yes

he complained about australias involvement with the east timor invasion

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

Not just the ABC but the Guardian, Observer and leftish media in general, and you can hardly blame them.

He had become an unthinking caricature of the old-school West-hating lefty of his day. His views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine were not very different from wookie’s, just a lot more self-righteous.

He was very perceptive and cutting at times. He was also somewhat deluded and mistaken at times.

A lot of this is upbringing and peer pressure. Where quite intelligent people start believing what are clearly wrong things.

what you see are plenty of people believing LIES

what makes people angry are when someone points out the lies.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

He was very perceptive and cutting at times. He was also somewhat deluded and mistaken at times.

A lot of this is upbringing and peer pressure. Where quite intelligent people start believing what are clearly wrong things.

what you see are plenty of people believing LIES

what makes people angry are when someone points out the lies.

We are all influenced by propaganda from one source or another. The world needs people like Pilger to break through the mirror and make us realise there is another truth beneath.

PermeateFree said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

A lot of this is upbringing and peer pressure. Where quite intelligent people start believing what are clearly wrong things.

what you see are plenty of people believing LIES

what makes people angry are when someone points out the lies.

We are all influenced by propaganda from one source or another. The world needs people like Pilger to break through the mirror and make us realise there is another truth beneath.

the world has changed significantly in the last 30 years since pilger was big. people don’t want to know the truth anymore, it makes them feel angry and unsafe.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

He was very perceptive and cutting at times. He was also somewhat deluded and mistaken at times.

A lot of this is upbringing and peer pressure. Where quite intelligent people start believing what are clearly wrong things.

what you see are plenty of people believing LIES

what makes people angry are when someone points out the lies.

Oh the irony…

dv said:

Why can’t we swap out the Windsor’s for the Demarkish royal family?

party_pants said:

dv said:

Why can’t we swap out the Windsor’s for the Demarkish royal family?

Many of us have.

dv said:

:)

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

dv said:

Why can’t we swap out the Windsor’s for the Demarkish royal family?

Many of us have.

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Why can’t we swap out the Windsor’s for the Demarkish royal family?

Many of us have.

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

Royal families are primitive nonsense, Australia doesn’t need one.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Why can’t we swap out the Windsor’s for the Demarkish royal family?

Many of us have.

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

Referendums are like inquiries and Royal Commissions.

You don’t have them unless you’re sure of what their outcome will be, no matter how choked up and tearful you are about them beforehand.

The banking Royal Commission only reinforced that lesson.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Why can’t we swap out the Windsor’s for the Demarkish royal family?

Many of us have.

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

We could send a contingent to the coronation. When they chant “Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi, Oi, Oi”, that’ll make it all legal and binding…

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Many of us have.

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

We could send a contingent to the coronation. When they chant “Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi, Oi, Oi”, that’ll make it all legal and binding…

Does this mean that we can all get Danish passports now?

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

We could send a contingent to the coronation. When they chant “Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi, Oi, Oi”, that’ll make it all legal and binding…

Does this mean that we can all get Danish passports now?

Maybe, but I don’t think we can get British passports with King Charlie the third in the current hot seat.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Many of us have.

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

Royal families are primitive nonsense, Australia doesn’t need one.

I was thinking the other day, we could have a monarchy without a royal family. Each state takes it in turn to appoint the G-G/president/king for a term of 5-8 years. It would be up to each state to decide how to do it, whether by parliament or popular vote. That person could be called the King (or Queen) of Australia while they serve their term in office. No need for royal families, or worrying about princesses being virgins on their wedding night etc.

No automatic succession for the children either, since the next selection would be made by a different state.

With 5 year terms the state won’t get another selection for 30 years, with 8 year terms it would take 48 years to complete a cycle.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

Many of us have.

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

Royal families are primitive nonsense, Australia doesn’t need one.

The British Royal Family does serve an important function for overseas trade. It is symbolic of Britain and with all the tradition, pomp and ceremony it is a British trademark of reliability and stability. They also attract tourists, plus with personal contact with heads of state, stimulate good international relationships. It is difficult to place a monetary value on them, but without them Britain is more likely to fade from memory and become just another country of mediocre influence and consequence with little to lift it above the competitive hassle of other countries. The British monarchy has little power to change things these days other than by example and persuasion. The days of Henry VIII with their immense power and influence are long gone.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I mean in a real and legally-binding way.

We haven’t had a referendum in months.

Royal families are primitive nonsense, Australia doesn’t need one.

I was thinking the other day, we could have a monarchy without a royal family. Each state takes it in turn to appoint the G-G/president/king for a term of 5-8 years. It would be up to each state to decide how to do it, whether by parliament or popular vote. That person could be called the King (or Queen) of Australia while they serve their term in office. No need for royal families, or worrying about princesses being virgins on their wedding night etc.

No automatic succession for the children either, since the next selection would be made by a different state.

With 5 year terms the state won’t get another selection for 30 years, with 8 year terms it would take 48 years to complete a cycle.

and the two territories can vote themselves in a prince or baron or some such.

I’ll start drawing up a coat of arms. It’ll need a Bunyip and a Dropbear, two shovelfuls of coal and iron ore, and keg of beer. Have I missed anything?

Kingy said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Royal families are primitive nonsense, Australia doesn’t need one.

I was thinking the other day, we could have a monarchy without a royal family. Each state takes it in turn to appoint the G-G/president/king for a term of 5-8 years. It would be up to each state to decide how to do it, whether by parliament or popular vote. That person could be called the King (or Queen) of Australia while they serve their term in office. No need for royal families, or worrying about princesses being virgins on their wedding night etc.

No automatic succession for the children either, since the next selection would be made by a different state.

With 5 year terms the state won’t get another selection for 30 years, with 8 year terms it would take 48 years to complete a cycle.

and the two territories can vote themselves in a prince or baron or some such.

I’ll start drawing up a coat of arms. It’ll need a Bunyip and a Dropbear, two shovelfuls of coal and iron ore, and keg of beer. Have I missed anything?

Bundy rum.

The monarchy got rid of all the busted arse countries that were not fit to have the King or Queen rule over them.
They allowed countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc to stay but they have to watch it or they will be out on their ear and have to become busted arse republics.

PermeateFree said:

…, but without them Britain is more likely to fade from memory and become just another country of mediocre influence and consequence with little to lift it above the competitive hassle of other countries.

the sooner the better IMHO.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

…, but without them Britain is more likely to fade from memory and become just another country of mediocre influence and consequence with little to lift it above the competitive hassle of other countries.

the sooner the better IMHO.

The Royals, like the Beatles, are about all that is propping up the British economy.

Pisces claimed more than 65 Nobel Prizes. Including John Steinbeck, Albert Einstein to name just a few.
Peak Warming Man has been nominated this year for services to Science, the Arts and Humanities.
I’ll keep you posted.

But not Threads.

Peak Warming Man said:

But not Threads.

So you won’t be sewing it up.

Peak Warming Man said:

Pisces claimed more than 65 Nobel Prizes. Including John Steinbeck, Albert Einstein to name just a few.
Peak Warming Man has been nominated this year for services to Science, the Arts and Humanities.
I’ll keep you posted.

Poor SCIENCE and Arts.

Peak Warming Man said:

The monarchy got rid of all the busted arse countries that were not fit to have the King or Queen rule over them.
They allowed countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc to stay but they have to watch it or they will be out on their ear and have to become busted arse republics.

LOL.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

…, but without them Britain is more likely to fade from memory and become just another country of mediocre influence and consequence with little to lift it above the competitive hassle of other countries.

the sooner the better IMHO.

Well more the reason to retain the Royal Family.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

…, but without them Britain is more likely to fade from memory and become just another country of mediocre influence and consequence with little to lift it above the competitive hassle of other countries.

the sooner the better IMHO.

The Royals, like the Beatles, are about all that is propping up the British economy.

Now that is a very silly statement.

Michael V said:

Kingy said:

I’ll start drawing up a coat of arms. It’ll need a Bunyip and a Dropbear, two shovelfuls of coal and iron ore, and keg of beer. Have I missed anything?

Bundy rum.

Meat pie.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Kingy said:

I’ll start drawing up a coat of arms. It’ll need a Bunyip and a Dropbear, two shovelfuls of coal and iron ore, and keg of beer. Have I missed anything?

Bundy rum.

Meat pie.

Oh yes, that too.

Looks perfectly cromulent to me.

roughbarked said:

Looks perfectly cromulent to me.

Looks like peak virtue signalling wankery. They’ve done as little as possible to promote aus manufacturing.

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

Looks perfectly cromulent to me.

Looks like peak virtue signalling wankery. They’ve done as little as possible to promote aus manufacturing.

Probably correct as it would be in either instance.

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

Looks perfectly cromulent to me.

Looks like peak virtue signalling wankery. They’ve done as little as possible to promote aus manufacturing.

Probably correct as it would be in either instance.

Manufacturing was driven out of Australia decades ago

Barnaby Joyce has apologised after insinuating voters should use their ballot paper as bullets to “say goodbye” to the prime minister and other senior Labor figures at a wind farm protest rally.

The Nationals’ frontbencher told protesters attending the rally to “get ready to load that magazine“https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-29/barnaby-joyce-apologises-for-comparing-bullets-ballot-paper/104153964 and vote out Anthony Albanese and NSW Premier Chris Minns and local MP Stephen Jones.

roughbarked said:

Barnaby Joyce has apologised after insinuating voters should use their ballot paper as bullets to “say goodbye” to the prime minister and other senior Labor figures at a wind farm protest rally.

The Nationals’ frontbencher told protesters attending the rally to get ready to load that magazine and vote out Anthony Albanese and NSW Premier Chris Minns and local MP Stephen Jones.

link fixed?

roughbarked said:

get ready to load that magazine and

What’s wrong with putting a good periodical in the boot of your Hyundai¿