Date: 5/12/2023 19:44:58
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2100421
Subject: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

New theory claims to unite Einstein’s gravity with quantum mechanics
by University College London

Modern physics is founded upon two pillars: quantum theory on the one hand, which governs the smallest particles in the universe, and Einstein’s theory of general relativity on the other, which explains gravity through the bending of spacetime. But these two theories are in contradiction with each other and a reconciliation has remained elusive for over a century.

The prevailing assumption has been that Einstein’s theory of gravity must be modified, or “quantized,” in order to fit within quantum theory. This is the approach of two leading candidates for a quantum theory of gravity, string theory and loop quantum gravity.

But a new theory, developed by Professor Jonathan Oppenheim (UCL Physics & Astronomy) and laid out in a paper in Physical Review X, challenges that consensus and takes an alternative approach by suggesting that spacetime may be classical—that is, not governed by quantum theory at all.

Instead of modifying spacetime, the theory—dubbed a “postquantum theory of classical gravity“—modifies quantum theory and predicts an intrinsic breakdown in predictability that is mediated by spacetime itself. This results in random and violent fluctuations in spacetime that are larger than envisaged under quantum theory, rendering the apparent weight of objects unpredictable if measured precisely enough.

A second paper, published simultaneously in Nature Communications and led by Professor Oppenheim’s former Ph.D. students, looks at some of the consequences of the theory, and proposes an experiment to test it: to measure a mass very precisely to see if its weight appears to fluctuate over time.

For example, the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in France routinely weigh a 1kg mass which used to be the 1kg standard. If the fluctuations in measurements of this 1kg mass are smaller than required for mathematical consistency, the theory can be ruled out.

The outcome of the experiment, or other evidence emerging that would confirm the quantum vs. classical nature of spacetime, is the subject of a 5000:1 odds bet between Professor Oppenheim and Professor Carlo Rovelli and Dr. Geoff Penington—leading proponents of quantum loop gravity and string theory respectively.

For the past five years, the UCL research group has been stress-testing the theory, and exploring its consequences.

Professor Oppenheim said, “Quantum theory and Einstein’s theory of general relativity are mathematically incompatible with each other, so it’s important to understand how this contradiction is resolved. Should spacetime be quantized, or should we modify quantum theory, or is it something else entirely? Now that we have a consistent fundamental theory in which spacetime does not get quantized, it’s anybody’s guess.”

Co-author Zach Weller-Davies, who as a Ph.D. student at UCL helped develop the experimental proposal and made key contributions to the theory itself, said, “This discovery challenges our understanding of the fundamental nature of gravity but also offers avenues to probe its potential quantum nature.

“We have shown that if spacetime doesn’t have a quantum nature, then there must be random fluctuations in the curvature of spacetime which have a particular signature that can be verified experimentally.

“In both quantum gravity and classical gravity, spacetime must be undergoing violent and random fluctuations all around us, but on a scale which we haven’t yet been able to detect. But if spacetime is classical, the fluctuations have to be larger than a certain scale, and this scale can be determined by another experiment where we test how long we can put a heavy atom in superposition of being in two different locations.”

Co-authors Dr. Carlo Sparaciari and Dr. Barbara Šoda, whose analytical and numerical calculations helped guide the project, expressed hope that these experiments could determine whether the pursuit of a quantum theory of gravity is the right approach.

Dr. Šoda (formerly UCL Physics & Astronomy, now at the Perimeter Institute of Theoretical Physics, Canada) said, “Because gravity is made manifest through the bending of space and time, we can think of the question in terms of whether the rate at which time flows has a quantum nature, or classical nature.

“And testing this is almost as simple as testing whether the weight of a mass is constant, or appears to fluctuate in a particular way.”

Dr. Sparaciari (UCL Physics & Astronomy) said, “While the experimental concept is simple, the weighing of the object needs to be carried out with extreme precision.

“But what I find exciting is that starting from very general assumptions, we can prove a clear relationship between two measurable quantities—the scale of the spacetime fluctuations, and how long objects like atoms or apples can be put in quantum superposition of two different locations. We can then determine these two quantities experimentally.”

Weller-Davies added, “A delicate interplay must exist if quantum particles such as atoms are able to bend classical spacetime. There must be a fundamental trade-off between the wave nature of atoms, and how large the random fluctuations in spacetime need to be.”

The proposal to test whether spacetime is classical by looking for random fluctuations in mass is complementary to another experimental proposal that aims to verify the quantum nature of spacetime by looking for something called “gravitationally mediated entanglement.”

Professor Sougato Bose (UCL Physics & Astronomy), who was not involved with the announcement today, but was among those to first propose the entanglement experiment, said, “Experiments to test the nature of spacetime will take a large-scale effort, but they’re of huge importance from the perspective of understanding the fundamental laws of nature. I believe these experiments are within reach—these things are difficult to predict, but perhaps we’ll know the answer within the next 20 years.”

The postquantum theory has implications beyond gravity. The infamous and problematic “measurement postulate” of quantum theory is not needed, since quantum superpositions necessarily localize through their interaction with classical spacetime.

The theory was motivated by Professor Oppenheim’s attempt to resolve the black hole information problem. According to standard quantum theory, an object going into a black hole should be radiated back out in some way as information cannot be destroyed, but this violates general relativity, which says you can never know about objects that cross the black hole’s event horizon. The new theory allows for information to be destroyed, due to a fundamental breakdown in predictability.

https://phys.org/news/2023-12-theory-einstein-gravity-quantum-mechanics.amp

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Date: 6/12/2023 11:06:00
From: Cymek
ID: 2100533
Subject: re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

Could the universe be governed by two separate set of rules, that aren’t compatible but instead have a point were they switch over to the other at a certain size/mass/etc

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Date: 6/12/2023 12:37:20
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2100567
Subject: re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

Cymek said:


Could the universe be governed by two separate set of rules, that aren’t compatible but instead have a point were they switch over to the other at a certain size/mass/etc

That’s the standard idea, but the problem is that nobody can find what the size/mass/etc. is.

And people have looked. Every now and again, experiments come up with a larger size/mass/etc. for which quantum mechanics does apply.

I have my own two new unification theories by the way.

The hyperreal numbers include both infinite and infinitesimal numbers.

The easiest way to understand the hyperreal numbers is through the transfer principle (you can look it up on Wikipedia) which states that if a proposition is true for all sufficiently large numbers then it is taken to be true for infinity. One proposition that is true for all real numbers is that if the real number is a positive integer then it has a unique factorisation. So every integer value of infinity has a unique factorisation.

What is this unique factorisation. Well, it exists in a superposition of states until one factor is observed and then it collapsed into that factor times the rest.

For example, is infinity odd or even? It exists in a superposition of odd and even, binary (0,1) until an observation causes it to collapse onto either odd or even.

This allows quantum mechanics to work on an infinite domain and not to be confined to orbits around an atom or strings of finite length.

The second new unification theory comes from the symmetry breaking between time and inverse temperature in the early universe. The time component became general relativity and the temperature component became quantum mechanics. The link that remains between the two is know as the second law of thermodynamics, entropy must always increase with time.

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Date: 6/12/2023 12:47:47
From: Tamb
ID: 2100571
Subject: re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

mollwollfumble said:


Cymek said:

Could the universe be governed by two separate set of rules, that aren’t compatible but instead have a point were they switch over to the other at a certain size/mass/etc

That’s the standard idea, but the problem is that nobody can find what the size/mass/etc. is.

And people have looked. Every now and again, experiments come up with a larger size/mass/etc. for which quantum mechanics does apply.

I have my own two new unification theories by the way.

~ Could the universe be governed by two separate set of rules, that aren’t compatible but instead have a point were they switch over to the other
Like C° and F° at -40°
The hyperreal numbers include both infinite and infinitesimal numbers.

The easiest way to understand the hyperreal numbers is through the transfer principle (you can look it up on Wikipedia) which states that if a proposition is true for all sufficiently large numbers then it is taken to be true for infinity. One proposition that is true for all real numbers is that if the real number is a positive integer then it has a unique factorisation. So every integer value of infinity has a unique factorisation.

What is this unique factorisation. Well, it exists in a superposition of states until one factor is observed and then it collapsed into that factor times the rest.

For example, is infinity odd or even? It exists in a superposition of odd and even, binary (0,1) until an observation causes it to collapse onto either odd or even.

This allows quantum mechanics to work on an infinite domain and not to be confined to orbits around an atom or strings of finite length.

The second new unification theory comes from the symmetry breaking between time and inverse temperature in the early universe. The time component became general relativity and the temperature component became quantum mechanics. The link that remains between the two is know as the second law of thermodynamics, entropy must always increase with time.

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Date: 7/12/2023 21:24:56
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2100955
Subject: re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

After reading this article and the following article.

I have a question.

Does classical space allow for singularities?

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Date: 7/12/2023 21:28:24
From: party_pants
ID: 2100956
Subject: re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

Tau.Neutrino said:


After reading this article and the following article.

I have a question.

Does classical space allow for singularities?

I don’t think the Greeks or Romans ever got around to thinking about it…

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Date: 7/12/2023 21:34:35
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2100958
Subject: re: New theory claims to unite Einstein's gravity with quantum mechanics

Tau.Neutrino said:


After reading this article and the following article.

I have a question.

Does classical space allow for singularities?

singularities usually occur when classical physics is no longer applicable.

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