Date: 16/12/2023 01:51:08
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2103502
Subject: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?
https://www.iflscience.com/how-could-the-big-bang-arise-from-nothing-71938

READER QUESTION: My understanding is that nothing comes from nothing. For something to exist, there must be material or a component available, and for them to be available, there must be something else available. Now my question: Where did the material come from that created the Big Bang, and what happened in the first instance to create that material? Peter, 80, Australia.

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Date: 16/12/2023 09:09:53
From: Ogmog
ID: 2103565
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

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Date: 16/12/2023 09:14:42
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2103569
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

Tau.Neutrino said:


How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?
https://www.iflscience.com/how-could-the-big-bang-arise-from-nothing-71938

READER QUESTION: My understanding is that nothing comes from nothing. For something to exist, there must be material or a component available, and for them to be available, there must be something else available. Now my question: Where did the material come from that created the Big Bang, and what happened in the first instance to create that material? Peter, 80, Australia.

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Skeptic Pete?

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Date: 16/12/2023 09:22:04
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2103574
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

It’s a pretty good article and points out that a quantum vacuum is actually something, not nothing.

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Date: 16/12/2023 09:23:24
From: Ogmog
ID: 2103577
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

…but seriously…

IMHO
I’ve long believed that “The Big Bang” was a mere iteration of a series of “CreationS”
generated by gravity accreting into a series of BlackHoles the gravity of which
continued to draw in yet enough blackholes which disappeared into
one mega blackhole out of which the accumulated matter
exploded out the far end resulting in OUR Universe.

Where did the quarks/atoms originate in the first place?

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Date: 16/12/2023 09:29:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2103582
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

Peak Warming Man said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?
https://www.iflscience.com/how-could-the-big-bang-arise-from-nothing-71938

READER QUESTION: My understanding is that nothing comes from nothing. For something to exist, there must be material or a component available, and for them to be available, there must be something else available. Now my question: Where did the material come from that created the Big Bang, and what happened in the first instance to create that material? Peter, 80, Australia.

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Skeptic Pete?

I doubt it, unless he’s had a major conversion.

“This era occurred only one ten-millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang. At this point, space and time themselves became subject to quantum fluctuations.”

I don’t know how far you can extrapolate back from where we have direct observational evidence, but still have some evidence of how physics would have worked at that stage, but I suspect it gets nowhere near “a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second” after time zero, if there was a time zero.

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Date: 16/12/2023 09:31:12
From: Ogmog
ID: 2103583
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

Ogmog said:


…but seriously…

IMHO
I’ve long believed that “The Big Bang” was a mere iteration of a series of “CreationS”
generated by gravity accreting into a series of BlackHoles the gravity of which
continued to draw in yet enough blackholes which disappeared into
one mega blackhole out of which the accumulated matter
exploded out the far end resulting in OUR Universe.

  • which still doesn’t explain the original query:

Where did the quarks/atoms originate in the first place?

oops, guess Ii shoulda’ opened link before replying
(was busy watching Ex-NY Mayor Rudy Giuliani on the chopping block… )

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Date: 16/12/2023 09:47:47
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2103591
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

Bubblecar said:


It’s a pretty good article and points out that a quantum vacuum is actually something, not nothing.

Well I’ve seen worse, but it was still pretty annoying.

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Date: 16/12/2023 16:12:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2103712
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

There are plenty of options.

From Hawkings book, time originated at the same moment as space.

From Penrose diagram. Universe originated either as a previous universe fell into a black hole singularity or avoided the singularity and was randomised as it through inside the ring of a rotating black hole.

From string theory, brane universes bounced off one anoity in 11 dimensional space.

From universe metastability and the eternal inflation model, the big bang was when a previous universe exploded.

Also from eternal inflation, our universe is just a local bubble in a much bigger multiverse

You want more?

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Date: 16/12/2023 16:23:24
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2103714
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

mollwollfumble said:


There are plenty of options.

From Hawkings book, time originated at the same moment as space.

From Penrose diagram. Universe originated either as a previous universe fell into a black hole singularity or avoided the singularity and was randomised as it through inside the ring of a rotating black hole.

From string theory, brane universes bounced off one anoity in 11 dimensional space.

From universe metastability and the eternal inflation model, the big bang was when a previous universe exploded.

Also from eternal inflation, our universe is just a local bubble in a much bigger multiverse

You want more?

All science fiction hand waving mumbo jumbo.
If I’ve explained it once I’ve explained it a thousand times and two thousand times to Skiptic Peat.

In the beginning there was a void………………….etc

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Date: 16/12/2023 22:24:33
From: Ogmog
ID: 2103793
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

Peak Warming Man said:


mollwollfumble said:

There are plenty of options.

From Hawkings book, time originated at the same moment as space.

From Penrose diagram. Universe originated either as a previous universe fell into a black hole singularity or avoided the singularity and was randomised as it through inside the ring of a rotating black hole.

From string theory, brane universes bounced off one anoity in 11 dimensional space.

From universe metastability and the eternal inflation model, the big bang was when a previous universe exploded.

Also from eternal inflation, our universe is just a local bubble in a much bigger multiverse

You want more?

All science fiction hand waving mumbo jumbo.
If I’ve explained it once I’ve explained it a thousand times and two thousand times to Skiptic Peat.

In the beginning there was a void………………….etc

Once, Upon a TIME…?

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Date: 16/12/2023 22:29:14
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2103794
Subject: re: How Could The Big Bang Arise From Nothing?

Ogmog said:


Peak Warming Man said:

mollwollfumble said:

There are plenty of options.

From Hawkings book, time originated at the same moment as space.

From Penrose diagram. Universe originated either as a previous universe fell into a black hole singularity or avoided the singularity and was randomised as it through inside the ring of a rotating black hole.

From string theory, brane universes bounced off one anoity in 11 dimensional space.

From universe metastability and the eternal inflation model, the big bang was when a previous universe exploded.

Also from eternal inflation, our universe is just a local bubble in a much bigger multiverse

You want more?

All science fiction hand waving mumbo jumbo.
If I’ve explained it once I’ve explained it a thousand times and two thousand times to Skiptic Peat.

In the beginning there was a void………………….etc

Once, Upon a TIME…?

…a long time ago in a galaxy far far away

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