Date: 22/12/2023 23:26:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2106151
Subject: Gravy Day

“Gravy Day” is a relatively new date in the Australian calendar. Paul Kelly’s song How to Make Gravy tells the story of a prisoner (Joe) writing to his brother on December 21. Joe laments missing the family Christmas celebrations and asks who will make gravy for the roast lunch in his absence.

While a roast may not be everyone’s idea of the perfect Christmas feast, “Gravy Day” does give the opportunity to discuss the chemistry involved in making gravy – a thickened sauce made from drippings collected from roasted meats.

Give my love to Angus (beef?)
Roasting meat sets off a cascade of chemical reactions, producing myriad new flavour chemicals. More than 1,000 flavour compounds have been identified in roasted meats.

Each chemical gives its unique characteristics to the taste and smell of the finished roast. The chemical 12-methyltridecanal helps give roast beef its “beefy” flavour, while the sulfur-containing compound 2-methyl-3-furanthiol is more often found in roast chicken.

There are three main types of chemical reactions taking place when roasting meats that produce flavour chemicals.

The Maillard reaction is responsible for both colour and flavour. This broad reaction type takes place between amino acids from the protein and sugars and simple carbohydrates found in the meat.

The Maillard reaction is also the chemistry responsible for many favourite flavours, including roasted coffee, chocolate, steak, toast and more.

A hundred degrees, even more maybe
The other main type of reaction occurring in a hot oven is the breakdown of fats by “lipid degradation”. This can form hundreds of different chemical compounds. Many of these chemicals are described as “fatty”, “tallowy”, or smell like fried foods.

The unique fat profiles found in different animals translate to the profile of flavour chemicals that form from lipid degradation when roasted. Further flavour compounds can arise through the third type of reactions combining products of Maillard reactions and lipid degradation.

One specific flavour compound identified as having a “gravy aroma” is known as 3-mercapto-2-methylpentan-1-ol. This compound comes from roasted vegetables, so including some veggies in your roasting pan will give you more depth of gravy flavour. Also, “cutting onions” is a useful excuse if listening to How to Make Gravy gets you feeling emotional.

The treasure and the trash
Roasting meats causes the fats to “render” and separate from the meat as a liquid. The fat pools in the tray with flavour-rich meat juices.

While the fat and the water both carry flavour compounds, too much fat can give the finished gravy an unpleasant mouth feel, or can separate into layers when served.

It’s worth pouring off the pan juices into a jug to allow the fat to separate from the liquid so you can control how much fat you’re adding. Be sure to dispose of the excess fat responsibly – don’t pour it down the drain.

Just add flour…
Flour (or, more specifically, starch) is the secret ingredient of a good gravy. Starches are large complex chemicals that are made up of lots of sugars joined together.

Starch granules are tightly packed and swell greatly when they absorb water. The swollen starch molecules forms a gel-like network that traps water and oil to give a thickened gravy.

Wheat flour is most often used as the starch source. Corn and arrowroot starch can also be used. They have a higher percentage of starch than flour and a more neutral flavour.

Wheat starch typically requires a larger quantity to be added and longer cooking to form a paste. Whichever starch you use, don’t add it too quickly or without mixing as you’ll form lumps.

…salt, red wine, and a dollop of tomato sauce
Salt is a common ingredient when preparing roast meats, both on the surface of the meat to draw out moisture and as a flavouring agent. The pan juices are typically concentrated as part of the gravy making process.

Make sure you taste the gravy before seasoning, as salt will be concentrated by heating.

Additional flavour components can be introduced by adding red wine, sherry, stock, or tomato sauce. These ingredients will broaden the flavour profile through sweetness (sugar), acidity (vinegar, citric and malic acids), and umami in the case of tomato sauce (natural glutamates, such as those found in MSG). Some folk even add Vegemite to their gravy for an extra umami boost.

I bet it will taste the same
If you happen to have screwed up your gravy this time, or are after convenience, then you can turn to an instant gravy powder. The main ingredient is typically maltodextrin or another corn-derived (and possibly chemically modified) starch.

Shelf-stable powdered fats, salt, colours, and a range of flavour additives will be present in varying amounts depending on the style and price point of the product.

The advantages of the instant version are speed and uniformity due to the carefully controlled commercial production.

So unlike Joe’s concerns for his family’s gravy, an instant gravy will be more likely to taste the same, regardless of who ends up making it.

https://theconversation.com/how-to-make-gravy-using-chemistry-219589

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Date: 22/12/2023 23:28:48
From: party_pants
ID: 2106153
Subject: re: Gravy Day

sarahs mum said:


“Gravy Day” is a relatively new date in the Australian calendar. Paul Kelly’s song How to Make Gravy

https://theconversation.com/how-to-make-gravy-using-chemistry-219589

Nah.

Just an annoying song that makes me hit “skip”.

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Date: 22/12/2023 23:33:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2106154
Subject: re: Gravy Day

Ta, interesting.

I make gravy intuitively, scaling the different components on offer at the time to produce what I expect to be the best result.

Meat juices go in, flour or cornflour, stock, wine. And yes, quite often Gravox :)

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Date: 23/12/2023 01:38:35
From: dv
ID: 2106159
Subject: re: Gravy Day

Honestly it’s one of my least favourite PK songs

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Date: 23/12/2023 08:25:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2106170
Subject: re: Gravy Day

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

“Gravy Day” is a relatively new date in the Australian calendar. Paul Kelly’s song How to Make Gravy

https://theconversation.com/how-to-make-gravy-using-chemistry-219589

Nah.

Just an annoying song that makes me hit “skip”.

I’m now reading How to Make Gravy but I haven’t got to that bit yet, and I don’t recall ever hearing the song.

I’ll go and have a listen.

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Date: 23/12/2023 10:09:30
From: party_pants
ID: 2106190
Subject: re: Gravy Day

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

“Gravy Day” is a relatively new date in the Australian calendar. Paul Kelly’s song How to Make Gravy

https://theconversation.com/how-to-make-gravy-using-chemistry-219589

Nah.

Just an annoying song that makes me hit “skip”.

I’m now reading How to Make Gravy but I haven’t got to that bit yet, and I don’t recall ever hearing the song.

I’ll go and have a listen.

Strange, I seem to have heard it a thousand times at least. It was an OK song the first hundred times I heard it, but now I’m well over it. Certainly don’t like it enough to make it a special day out of it.

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Date: 23/12/2023 10:10:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2106191
Subject: re: Gravy Day

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Nah.

Just an annoying song that makes me hit “skip”.

I’m now reading How to Make Gravy but I haven’t got to that bit yet, and I don’t recall ever hearing the song.

I’ll go and have a listen.

Strange, I seem to have heard it a thousand times at least. It was an OK song the first hundred times I heard it, but now I’m well over it. Certainly don’t like it enough to make it a special day out of it.

I am having trouble thinking that the Rev hasn’t heard it.

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Date: 23/12/2023 10:11:02
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2106192
Subject: re: Gravy Day

roughbarked said:


party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m now reading How to Make Gravy but I haven’t got to that bit yet, and I don’t recall ever hearing the song.

I’ll go and have a listen.

Strange, I seem to have heard it a thousand times at least. It was an OK song the first hundred times I heard it, but now I’m well over it. Certainly don’t like it enough to make it a special day out of it.

I am having trouble thinking that the Rev hasn’t heard it.

I’ve never heard it either.

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Date: 23/12/2023 11:17:32
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2106216
Subject: re: Gravy Day

party_pants said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

party_pants said:

Nah.

Just an annoying song that makes me hit “skip”.

I’m now reading How to Make Gravy but I haven’t got to that bit yet, and I don’t recall ever hearing the song.

I’ll go and have a listen.

Strange, I seem to have heard it a thousand times at least. It was an OK song the first hundred times I heard it, but now I’m well over it. Certainly don’t like it enough to make it a special day out of it.

That’s all right then :)

Had a listen and discovered I had in fact heard it before, probably when I first started reading the book.

Not really my style, but OK. Quite liked the words.

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Date: 23/12/2023 11:22:57
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2106218
Subject: re: Gravy Day

The Rev Dodgson said:


party_pants said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m now reading How to Make Gravy but I haven’t got to that bit yet, and I don’t recall ever hearing the song.

I’ll go and have a listen.

Strange, I seem to have heard it a thousand times at least. It was an OK song the first hundred times I heard it, but now I’m well over it. Certainly don’t like it enough to make it a special day out of it.

That’s all right then :)

Had a listen and discovered I had in fact heard it before, probably when I first started reading the book.

Not really my style, but OK. Quite liked the words.

I’m not a fan of Paul Kelly.

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Date: 23/12/2023 11:38:44
From: buffy
ID: 2106222
Subject: re: Gravy Day

Bubblecar said:


roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

Strange, I seem to have heard it a thousand times at least. It was an OK song the first hundred times I heard it, but now I’m well over it. Certainly don’t like it enough to make it a special day out of it.

I am having trouble thinking that the Rev hasn’t heard it.

I’ve never heard it either. “One night the Moon” however, is something I can hear in my mind. Particularly the very small song “Little Bones”. But in general most of the music from that movie I like a lot. But I only watch it alone, and with hankies.

https://genius.com/Kaarin-fairfax-little-bones-lyrics

I’ve heard of it but I’m unaware of ever having heard it.

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Date: 23/12/2023 11:43:23
From: buffy
ID: 2106225
Subject: re: Gravy Day

buffy said:


Bubblecar said:

roughbarked said:

I am having trouble thinking that the Rev hasn’t heard it.

I’ve never heard it either. “One night the Moon” however, is something I can hear in my mind. Particularly the very small song “Little Bones”. But in general most of the music from that movie I like a lot. But I only watch it alone, and with hankies.

https://genius.com/Kaarin-fairfax-little-bones-lyrics

I’ve heard of it but I’m unaware of ever having heard it.

What happened to the quoting there? The bit about One Night the Moon was a comment I made.

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Date: 23/12/2023 11:55:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2106235
Subject: re: Gravy Day

buffy said:


buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve never heard it either. “One night the Moon” however, is something I can hear in my mind. Particularly the very small song “Little Bones”. But in general most of the music from that movie I like a lot. But I only watch it alone, and with hankies.

https://genius.com/Kaarin-fairfax-little-bones-lyrics

I’ve heard of it but I’m unaware of ever having heard it.

What happened to the quoting there? The bit about One Night the Moon was a comment I made.

The only way it could happen is that you’ve posted within his quote somehow.

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Date: 23/12/2023 11:56:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2106237
Subject: re: Gravy Day

buffy said:


buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve never heard it either. “One night the Moon” however, is something I can hear in my mind. Particularly the very small song “Little Bones”. But in general most of the music from that movie I like a lot. But I only watch it alone, and with hankies.

https://genius.com/Kaarin-fairfax-little-bones-lyrics

I’ve heard of it but I’m unaware of ever having heard it.

What happened to the quoting there? The bit about One Night the Moon was a comment I made.

I thought I was going a bit ga-ga.

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Date: 23/12/2023 12:15:08
From: Ogmog
ID: 2106246
Subject: re: Gravy Day

party_pants said:


sarahs mum said:

“Gravy Day” is a relatively new date in the Australian calendar. Paul Kelly’s song How to Make Gravy

https://theconversation.com/how-to-make-gravy-using-chemistry-219589

Nah.

Just an annoying song that makes me hit “skip”.

maybe I’m weird but
my take away from the song has always been
that sharing the recipe was only The EXCUSE for that important call:

“And later in the evening, I can just imagine,
You’ll put on Junior Murvin and push the tables back
And you’ll dance with Rita, I know you really like her,
Just don’t hold her too close, oh brother please don’t stab me in the back”

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Date: 23/12/2023 12:19:04
From: kii
ID: 2106247
Subject: re: Gravy Day

I know about it, heard some of it. Doesn’t appeal to me.

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Date: 23/12/2023 12:44:35
From: dv
ID: 2106254
Subject: re: Gravy Day

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Date: 23/12/2023 14:00:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2106287
Subject: re: Gravy Day

I posted this thread because I thought it was festive science. But it seems it is about hating the song.

Anyway, back in home science I was taught that the fat was needed to raise the temperature so the gluten would burst and go fluffy and thicken the gravy. Leave just the right amount of fat in the pan. Yet we are told to make gravy on a low heat stirring stirring. But I don’t. I make my gravy on a medium heat. Perhaps I am just not patient.

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Date: 23/12/2023 14:36:14
From: Ogmog
ID: 2106299
Subject: re: Gravy Day

sarahs mum said:


I posted this thread because I thought it was festive science. But it seems it is about hating the song.

Anyway, back in home science I was taught that the fat was needed to raise the temperature so the gluten would burst and go fluffy and thicken the gravy. Leave just the right amount of fat in the pan. Yet we are told to make gravy on a low heat stirring stirring. But I don’t. I make my gravy on a medium heat. Perhaps I am just not patient.

I don’t find fault with the song,
What I appreciate in that seemingly throw-away verse
is the true depth of anguish Joe is experiencing in his situation.
Like so few great writers PK can compress such depth of feeling in so few lines.

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Date: 23/12/2023 14:41:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2106305
Subject: re: Gravy Day

Ogmog said:


sarahs mum said:

I posted this thread because I thought it was festive science. But it seems it is about hating the song.

Anyway, back in home science I was taught that the fat was needed to raise the temperature so the gluten would burst and go fluffy and thicken the gravy. Leave just the right amount of fat in the pan. Yet we are told to make gravy on a low heat stirring stirring. But I don’t. I make my gravy on a medium heat. Perhaps I am just not patient.

I don’t find fault with the song,
What I appreciate in that seemingly throw-away verse
is the true depth of anguish Joe is experiencing in his situation.
Like so few great writers PK can compress such depth of feeling in so few lines.

I also find no fault. It isn’t my fave of his. And he is not one of my faves.but…no complaints.

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Date: 23/12/2023 14:43:47
From: party_pants
ID: 2106306
Subject: re: Gravy Day

sarahs mum said:


Ogmog said:

sarahs mum said:

I posted this thread because I thought it was festive science. But it seems it is about hating the song.

Anyway, back in home science I was taught that the fat was needed to raise the temperature so the gluten would burst and go fluffy and thicken the gravy. Leave just the right amount of fat in the pan. Yet we are told to make gravy on a low heat stirring stirring. But I don’t. I make my gravy on a medium heat. Perhaps I am just not patient.

I don’t find fault with the song,
What I appreciate in that seemingly throw-away verse
is the true depth of anguish Joe is experiencing in his situation.
Like so few great writers PK can compress such depth of feeling in so few lines.

I also find no fault. It isn’t my fave of his. And he is not one of my faves.but…no complaints.

The song is just not special enough to make December 21 “Gravy Day” in order to honour the song, or PK.

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Date: 23/12/2023 20:53:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2106408
Subject: re: Gravy Day

> The unique fat profiles found in different animals translate to the profile of flavour chemicals that form from lipid degradation when roasted. Further flavour compounds can arise through the third type of reactions combining products of Maillard reactions and lipid degradation. One specific flavour compound identified as having a “gravy aroma” is known as 3-mercapto-2-methylpentan-1-ol. This compound comes from roasted vegetables, so including some veggies in your roasting pan will give you more depth of gravy flavour.

Very interesting. I love the Maillard reaction – it produces such a large number of carcinogens. And delicious smalls.

Mercaptans, too. “Is it safe to breathe in mercaptan? Inhalation of high concentrations of mercaptans may irritate the mucous membranes lining the nasal passages, throat, and respiratory tree, leading to airway compromise, dyspnea, coughing, chest tightness, and wheezing. Prolonged exposure to mercaptans can cause bronchial constriction, bronchitis, and pulmonary edema.”

Roast potato and roast pumpkin – delicious.

Live dangerously, that’s what I say.

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