(Might as well move the discussion to a 2024 thread)

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Kingy said:

I’ll start drawing up a coat of arms. It’ll need a Bunyip and a Dropbear, two shovelfuls of coal and iron ore, and keg of beer. Have I missed anything?

Bundy rum.

Meat pie.

Holden car

AussieDJ said:

(Might as well move the discussion to a 2024 thread)

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Bundy rum.

Meat pie.

Holden car

Coat of arms. There’s a thought.
First, what’s it used for?
“coat of arms, the principal part of a system of hereditary symbols dating back to early medieval Europe, used primarily to establish identity in battle”.

If occurred to me that different countries use different camouflage patterns on their uniforms. So the ideal Australian coat of arms would be the Australian camouflage pattern.

There are a variety of mechanisms used to aid in identification:

• Uniforms: this is the most basic method and pretty much why uniforms exist, so you can tell who is who. That’s why the laws of war require combatants to have uniforms or at least some sort of marking/insignia in order to gain POW protections.
• Marking: this is especially important at night and/or when calling in air support. IR patches, chemlights, VS-17 panels, and colored smoke can all be used to mark friendly personnel and locations.
• Challenge and Password: in case you can’t tell who someone is or the enemy tries to use friendly uniforms (which violates the laws of war but some combatants don’t care about such things), there are passwords that must be presented when challenged. Those passwords are changed regularly.
• Battle Tracking: ideally, the headquarters staff knows where all its people are at and therefore knows that any other combatants are not their people. In reality, even with modern tech and GPS locations, this isn’t as easy as it sounds. You might lose track of someone or another unit might enter your battlespace without your knowledge.
• I’m being shot at!: though not always true (friendly fire does happen), when people start shooting at you it is usually a pretty safe bet to shoot back.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/09/25/media-rich-people-battlers/

The media needs to stop presenting objectively rich people as battlers

Coupla months old by I missed it

Hmmm…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-03/pm-says-iraq-war-cabinet-documents-should-not-have-been-withheld/103281200

buffy said:

Hmmm…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-03/pm-says-iraq-war-cabinet-documents-should-not-have-been-withheld/103281200

blame Covid.

I’m convinced.

party_pants said:

buffy said:

Hmmm…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-03/pm-says-iraq-war-cabinet-documents-should-not-have-been-withheld/103281200

blame Covid.

I’m convinced.

Your face is giving you away…even though I can’t actually see it.

:)

04 January 2024
Tasmanian independent MP threatens early election over AFL stadium
Lyons MHA John Tucker has threatened to force an early election.
Tasmania is again faced with the threat of an early election after a key independent parliamentarian gave an ultimatum to the government demanding action on the AFL stadium and abattoirs.
Lyons MHA John Tucker and Bass MHA Lara Alexander hold the balance of power in the chamber, but have pledged to support the government in supply and confidence votes.
Now Mr Tucker is threatening to tear up that agreement unless Premier Jeremy Rockliff agrees to the introduction of a surveillance program in abattoirs and halts plans to construct a high-performance AFL centre in Hobart.
He said the government was riding roughshod over the decisions of the parliament.
“Either the Premier starts respecting decisions taken by the parliament, or I will withdraw my pledge of confidence and supply and we will have an election,” Mr Tucker said.
“This rogue behaviour needs to stop now.”
Mr Tucker’s focus on the meat industry followed publication last year of images of animal cruelty at Tasmanian Quality Meats’ abattoir in Cressy.
Later in December, parliament voted for a motion to install 24-hour surveillance cameras in the state’s abattoirs, as well as a program to monitor them, and requested that the government report back on the first day of the parliament in March.
But Primary Industries Minister Jo Palmer announced a taskforce to look into animal welfare standards at meat-processing facilities and tasked it to report back by March 31.
“More than three weeks after the report-back mandated by the house,” Mr Tucker said.
“I will not stand for this blatant contempt for the parliament.
“Either the government delivers to the letter the actions outlined in my December motion or we will be going to an election.
“No ifs, no buts, no qualifications, no excuses.”
Mr Tucker also threatened to withdraw his support to the government over the AFL stadium deal.
He said the government had been taking “unilateral” actions over the stadium that pre-empt the parliament’s final vote on the matter under the project of state significance process.
He cited the government’s announcement to select a site for the $70 million AFL high-performance centre

sarahs mum said:

04 January 2024
Tasmanian independent MP threatens early election over AFL stadium
Lyons MHA John Tucker has threatened to force an early election.
Tasmania is again faced with the threat of an early election after a key independent parliamentarian gave an ultimatum to the government demanding action on the AFL stadium and abattoirs.
Lyons MHA John Tucker and Bass MHA Lara Alexander hold the balance of power in the chamber, but have pledged to support the government in supply and confidence votes.
Now Mr Tucker is threatening to tear up that agreement unless Premier Jeremy Rockliff agrees to the introduction of a surveillance program in abattoirs and halts plans to construct a high-performance AFL centre in Hobart.
He said the government was riding roughshod over the decisions of the parliament.
“Either the Premier starts respecting decisions taken by the parliament, or I will withdraw my pledge of confidence and supply and we will have an election,” Mr Tucker said.
“This rogue behaviour needs to stop now.”
Mr Tucker’s focus on the meat industry followed publication last year of images of animal cruelty at Tasmanian Quality Meats’ abattoir in Cressy.
Later in December, parliament voted for a motion to install 24-hour surveillance cameras in the state’s abattoirs, as well as a program to monitor them, and requested that the government report back on the first day of the parliament in March.
But Primary Industries Minister Jo Palmer announced a taskforce to look into animal welfare standards at meat-processing facilities and tasked it to report back by March 31.
“More than three weeks after the report-back mandated by the house,” Mr Tucker said.
“I will not stand for this blatant contempt for the parliament.
“Either the government delivers to the letter the actions outlined in my December motion or we will be going to an election.
“No ifs, no buts, no qualifications, no excuses.”
Mr Tucker also threatened to withdraw his support to the government over the AFL stadium deal.
He said the government had been taking “unilateral” actions over the stadium that pre-empt the parliament’s final vote on the matter under the project of state significance process.
He cited the government’s announcement to select a site for the $70 million AFL high-performance centre

Good on him.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

04 January 2024
Tasmanian independent MP threatens early election over AFL stadium
Lyons MHA John Tucker has threatened to force an early election.
Tasmania is again faced with the threat of an early election after a key independent parliamentarian gave an ultimatum to the government demanding action on the AFL stadium and abattoirs.
Lyons MHA John Tucker and Bass MHA Lara Alexander hold the balance of power in the chamber, but have pledged to support the government in supply and confidence votes.
Now Mr Tucker is threatening to tear up that agreement unless Premier Jeremy Rockliff agrees to the introduction of a surveillance program in abattoirs and halts plans to construct a high-performance AFL centre in Hobart.
He said the government was riding roughshod over the decisions of the parliament.
“Either the Premier starts respecting decisions taken by the parliament, or I will withdraw my pledge of confidence and supply and we will have an election,” Mr Tucker said.
“This rogue behaviour needs to stop now.”
Mr Tucker’s focus on the meat industry followed publication last year of images of animal cruelty at Tasmanian Quality Meats’ abattoir in Cressy.
Later in December, parliament voted for a motion to install 24-hour surveillance cameras in the state’s abattoirs, as well as a program to monitor them, and requested that the government report back on the first day of the parliament in March.
But Primary Industries Minister Jo Palmer announced a taskforce to look into animal welfare standards at meat-processing facilities and tasked it to report back by March 31.
“More than three weeks after the report-back mandated by the house,” Mr Tucker said.
“I will not stand for this blatant contempt for the parliament.
“Either the government delivers to the letter the actions outlined in my December motion or we will be going to an election.
“No ifs, no buts, no qualifications, no excuses.”
Mr Tucker also threatened to withdraw his support to the government over the AFL stadium deal.
He said the government had been taking “unilateral” actions over the stadium that pre-empt the parliament’s final vote on the matter under the project of state significance process.
He cited the government’s announcement to select a site for the $70 million AFL high-performance centre

Good on him.

I think a couple of weeks leeway to report by the end of March rather than early March is not going to make any big difference into putting in place a system of monitoring standards in abattoirs. Seems a bit of a petty thing to threaten and election over. Maybe the extra time could deliver a better outcome.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

04 January 2024
Tasmanian independent MP threatens early election over AFL stadium
Lyons MHA John Tucker has threatened to force an early election.
Tasmania is again faced with the threat of an early election after a key independent parliamentarian gave an ultimatum to the government demanding action on the AFL stadium and abattoirs.
Lyons MHA John Tucker and Bass MHA Lara Alexander hold the balance of power in the chamber, but have pledged to support the government in supply and confidence votes.
Now Mr Tucker is threatening to tear up that agreement unless Premier Jeremy Rockliff agrees to the introduction of a surveillance program in abattoirs and halts plans to construct a high-performance AFL centre in Hobart.
He said the government was riding roughshod over the decisions of the parliament.
“Either the Premier starts respecting decisions taken by the parliament, or I will withdraw my pledge of confidence and supply and we will have an election,” Mr Tucker said.
“This rogue behaviour needs to stop now.”
Mr Tucker’s focus on the meat industry followed publication last year of images of animal cruelty at Tasmanian Quality Meats’ abattoir in Cressy.
Later in December, parliament voted for a motion to install 24-hour surveillance cameras in the state’s abattoirs, as well as a program to monitor them, and requested that the government report back on the first day of the parliament in March.
But Primary Industries Minister Jo Palmer announced a taskforce to look into animal welfare standards at meat-processing facilities and tasked it to report back by March 31.
“More than three weeks after the report-back mandated by the house,” Mr Tucker said.
“I will not stand for this blatant contempt for the parliament.
“Either the government delivers to the letter the actions outlined in my December motion or we will be going to an election.
“No ifs, no buts, no qualifications, no excuses.”
Mr Tucker also threatened to withdraw his support to the government over the AFL stadium deal.
He said the government had been taking “unilateral” actions over the stadium that pre-empt the parliament’s final vote on the matter under the project of state significance process.
He cited the government’s announcement to select a site for the $70 million AFL high-performance centre

Good on him.

I think a couple of weeks leeway to report by the end of March rather than early March is not going to make any big difference into putting in place a system of monitoring standards in abattoirs. Seems a bit of a petty thing to threaten and election over. Maybe the extra time could deliver a better outcome.

I don’t really know what that pair of maverick’s game is.

But Rockliff is a chucklehead who wants an island bulging with super stadiums and festooned with cable cars.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Good on him.

I think a couple of weeks leeway to report by the end of March rather than early March is not going to make any big difference into putting in place a system of monitoring standards in abattoirs. Seems a bit of a petty thing to threaten and election over. Maybe the extra time could deliver a better outcome.

I don’t really know what that pair of maverick’s game is.

But Rockliff is a chucklehead who wants an island bulging with super stadiums and festooned with cable cars.

Be interesting to see whose board he ends up sitting on.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Good on him.

I think a couple of weeks leeway to report by the end of March rather than early March is not going to make any big difference into putting in place a system of monitoring standards in abattoirs. Seems a bit of a petty thing to threaten and election over. Maybe the extra time could deliver a better outcome.

I don’t really know what that pair of maverick’s game is.

But Rockliff is a chucklehead who wants an island bulging with super stadiums and festooned with cable cars.

I thought it was one of each: one stadium and one cable car. Or is there a hidden agenda behind the scenes driven by Big Stadia and Big Cable?

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I think a couple of weeks leeway to report by the end of March rather than early March is not going to make any big difference into putting in place a system of monitoring standards in abattoirs. Seems a bit of a petty thing to threaten and election over. Maybe the extra time could deliver a better outcome.

I don’t really know what that pair of maverick’s game is.

But Rockliff is a chucklehead who wants an island bulging with super stadiums and festooned with cable cars.

I thought it was one of each: one stadium and one cable car. Or is there a hidden agenda behind the scenes driven by Big Stadia and Big Cable?

I was magnifying for emphasis.

Australian business and politics Scam of the Year

The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s1OCsWdNWU

The opposition has urged the Albanese government to rule out any support for what it says is South Africa’s “unbalanced” case against Israel at the UN’s international court of justice (ICJ).

The “unprecedented” case brought by South Africa at the beginning of the year will be heard in The Hague on 11 and 12 January with the potential for a provisional ruling within weeks. It accuses Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. Israel has called the allegations “a despicable and contemptuous exploitation” of the ICJ and urged the court to reject it.

Australia’s position has yet to be revealed but some rank-and-file Labor members are urging the party’s senior politicians to support South Africa’s case, claiming the Albanese government’s “silence” on the more than 22,000 deaths in Gaza is “inconsistent with our national values”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/05/opposition-south-africa-genocide-case-israel-coalition-stance

sarahs mum said:

The opposition has urged the Albanese government to rule out any support for what it says is South Africa’s “unbalanced” case against Israel at the UN’s international court of justice (ICJ).

The “unprecedented” case brought by South Africa at the beginning of the year will be heard in The Hague on 11 and 12 January with the potential for a provisional ruling within weeks. It accuses Israel of committing genocide in Gaza. Israel has called the allegations “a despicable and contemptuous exploitation” of the ICJ and urged the court to reject it.

Australia’s position has yet to be revealed but some rank-and-file Labor members are urging the party’s senior politicians to support South Africa’s case, claiming the Albanese government’s “silence” on the more than 22,000 deaths in Gaza is “inconsistent with our national values”.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/05/opposition-south-africa-genocide-case-israel-coalition-stance

The situation is very dicey.

you say you want a revolution?

sarahs mum said:

you say you want a revolution?

hmm. So which national day is she referring to?

sarahs mum said:

you say you want a revolution?

Isn’t that Barnaby’s wife?

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

you say you want a revolution?

Isn’t that Barnaby’s wife?

nods.

sarahs mum said:

you say you want a revolution?

Given that Australia as a federated country started on January 1, 1901, Jan 1 seems a better date to celebrate the country’s foundation.

Jan 26 celebrates the foundation of the first white fella colony in Sydney Cove, NSW.

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

you say you want a revolution?

Isn’t that Barnaby’s wife?

Yes.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

you say you want a revolution?

Given that Australia as a federated country started on January 1, 1901, Jan 1 seems a better date to celebrate the country’s foundation.

Jan 26 celebrates the foundation of the first white fella colony in Sydney Cove, NSW.

Has Barnaby’s voice ever been heard touting Jan 1?

I could suggest Dec 3, the anniversary of the Eureka stockade, as marking an occasion when citizens tried to tell the government to GAGF.

But, i don’t suppose that governments are keen to popularise that sort of behaviour.

captain_spalding said:

I could suggest Dec 3, the anniversary of the Eureka stockade, as marking an occasion when citizens tried to tell the government to GAGF.

But, i don’t suppose that governments are keen to popularise that sort of behaviour.

The Ureka flag seems to have been used for many protests not necessarily to support the Ureka Stockade.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

you say you want a revolution?

Given that Australia as a federated country started on January 1, 1901, Jan 1 seems a better date to celebrate the country’s foundation.

Jan 26 celebrates the foundation of the first white fella colony in Sydney Cove, NSW.

Has Barnaby’s voice ever been heard touting Jan 1?

No. Probably only my voice. And I’m not particularly loud about it. Oh well.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I could suggest Dec 3, the anniversary of the Eureka stockade, as marking an occasion when citizens tried to tell the government to GAGF.

But, i don’t suppose that governments are keen to popularise that sort of behaviour.

The Ureka flag seems to have been used for many protests not necessarily to support the Ureka Stockade.

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I could suggest Dec 3, the anniversary of the Eureka stockade, as marking an occasion when citizens tried to tell the government to GAGF.

But, i don’t suppose that governments are keen to popularise that sort of behaviour.

The Ureka flag seems to have been used for many protests not necessarily to support the Ureka Stockade.

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Well, leaving the flag aside, it marks a date when people tried, as i say, to tell the govt to GAGF. And it marks a demonstration of how far ‘the authorities’ can be prepared to go to maintain their power.

So, it has little chance of ever becoming a notable date on the public calendar, as neither of those things is something that governments want to have prominent in the social consciousness.

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

I could suggest Dec 3, the anniversary of the Eureka stockade, as marking an occasion when citizens tried to tell the government to GAGF.

But, i don’t suppose that governments are keen to popularise that sort of behaviour.

The Ureka flag seems to have been used for many protests not necessarily to support the Ureka Stockade.

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Seems that bikie gangs with revolutionary flags are an American import.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

The Ureka flag seems to have been used for many protests not necessarily to support the Ureka Stockade.

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Well, leaving the flag aside, it marks a date when people tried, as i say, to tell the govt to GAGF. And it marks a demonstration of how far ‘the authorities’ can be prepared to go to maintain their power.

So, it has little chance of ever becoming a notable date on the public calendar, as neither of those things is something that governments want to have prominent in the social consciousness.

Distasteful news is filtered out further down the chain of command and usually has a mouthpiece like Humphrey.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

The Ureka flag seems to have been used for many protests not necessarily to support the Ureka Stockade.

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Well, leaving the flag aside, it marks a date when people tried, as i say, to tell the govt to GAGF. And it marks a demonstration of how far ‘the authorities’ can be prepared to go to maintain their power.

So, it has little chance of ever becoming a notable date on the public calendar, as neither of those things is something that governments want to have prominent in the social consciousness.

Yeah.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

The Ureka flag seems to have been used for many protests not necessarily to support the Ureka Stockade.

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Well, leaving the flag aside, it marks a date when people tried, as i say, to tell the govt to GAGF. And it marks a demonstration of how far ‘the authorities’ can be prepared to go to maintain their power.

So, it has little chance of ever becoming a notable date on the public calendar, as neither of those things is something that governments want to have prominent in the social consciousness.

If only politicians were popularly elected and we’re thus firstly representative of the electorate, and secondly composed of MPs who might have very definite opinions about the abuse of power of past and serving governments.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Well, leaving the flag aside, it marks a date when people tried, as i say, to tell the govt to GAGF. And it marks a demonstration of how far ‘the authorities’ can be prepared to go to maintain their power.

So, it has little chance of ever becoming a notable date on the public calendar, as neither of those things is something that governments want to have prominent in the social consciousness.

If only politicians were popularly elected and we’re thus firstly representative of the electorate, and secondly composed of MPs who might have very definite opinions about the abuse of power of past and serving governments.

More Wilkie’s are needed.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

And unfortunately, the Eureka Stockade flag is used by some bikie gangs.

Well, leaving the flag aside, it marks a date when people tried, as i say, to tell the govt to GAGF. And it marks a demonstration of how far ‘the authorities’ can be prepared to go to maintain their power.

So, it has little chance of ever becoming a notable date on the public calendar, as neither of those things is something that governments want to have prominent in the social consciousness.

If only politicians were popularly elected and we’re thus firstly representative of the electorate, and secondly composed of MPs who might have very definite opinions about the abuse of power of past and serving governments.

‘tis…devoutly to be wish’d.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Well, leaving the flag aside, it marks a date when people tried, as i say, to tell the govt to GAGF. And it marks a demonstration of how far ‘the authorities’ can be prepared to go to maintain their power.

So, it has little chance of ever becoming a notable date on the public calendar, as neither of those things is something that governments want to have prominent in the social consciousness.

If only politicians were popularly elected and we’re thus firstly representative of the electorate, and secondly composed of MPs who might have very definite opinions about the abuse of power of past and serving governments.

‘tis…devoutly to be wish’d.

:)

Eric Abetz at Blackman’s Bay. Picture: Chris Kidd

Former longstanding Tasmanian Liberal senator Eric Abetz is attempting a political comeback.

After months of speculation, Mr Abetz has confirmed to the Sunday Tasmanian he will seek Liberal endorsement for the seat of Franklin at the next state election.

“Whilst a lot of thought and consideration went into the decision I was convinced that I had a skill set and experience including from being Liberal leader in the Australian Senate for five years which would be of real world practical benefit to the Tasmanian people and the Liberal Party,” he said.

“The drive and determination to serve and make a positive difference for our fellow Tasmanians remains as strong as ever.”
After the 65-year-old lawyer lost his seat in 2022, after 28 years in the Senate, he said he still had “much petrol in the tank”.
Despite being relegated to the virtually unwinnable third spot on the Senate ticket after a bitter preselection battle, he was “heartened” that 15,414 people gave him their first preference vote.

Mr Abetz, a conservative Christian who served as a minister in both the Howard and Abbott governments, said many people still approached him for help.

“Not having the resources to fully assist is frustrating but I have nevertheless accepted many invitations to speak at meetings and dinners and serve in the voluntary/charitable sector besides running my consultancy practice,” he said.

“Being around in my local community is something I do cherish and serving in Hobart instead of Canberra will allow me to stay more closely connected.”

He believes the government deserves to be elected in its own right.

“From a Labor/Green government which brought with it the predictable recession Tasmania has been transformed by the Liberals to the ‘turn around State’ to the ‘stand out State’ when it comes to economic performance which is the bedrock for funding health, police and education along with other fundamental services.

“On any objective analysis or measure Tasmania is in a better place today than she was under Labor/ Green rule.
“Tasmanians should never forget the mess they left.”

Once regarded as the most powerful Liberal politician in Tasmania, he rejects assertions he was a powerbroker.
“How others perceive me and my role in the party is for them.

“I do not warm to or identify with the description of ‘powerbroker’ whatever that may mean.

“However it did become fashionable for some to lay the blame for every sub-optimal outcome at my feet and completely ignore my presence when success came the Liberals way.

“The dishonesty and incongruity of that rationale is not lost with most people.”

At the next election, due in 2025, Mr Abetz said Tasmanians had a choice between “a tried and proven Liberal Government and a tired and fractured Labor Party” run under the party’s national executive.

“Labor has a nice but hapless leader who is controlled by two ex-union bosses appointed by Canberra.

“The Liberals in stark contrast have decisions being made by Tasmanians in Tasmania for Tasmanians.

“Labor simply is paralysed and cannot make such a vitally important claim. Those factors are more important than an academic argument about where the centre of politics might lie.

“Being in tune with the aspirations and needs of our fellow Tasmanians is key.”

Nominations for Liberal preselection close on January 25.

sarahs mum said:

Eric Abetz at Blackman’s Bay. Picture: Chris Kidd

Former longstanding Tasmanian Liberal senator Eric Abetz is attempting a political comeback.

After months of speculation, Mr Abetz has confirmed to the Sunday Tasmanian he will seek Liberal endorsement for the seat of Franklin at the next state election.

“Whilst a lot of thought and consideration went into the decision I was convinced that I had a skill set and experience including from being Liberal leader in the Australian Senate for five years which would be of real world practical benefit to the Tasmanian people and the Liberal Party,” he said.

“The drive and determination to serve and make a positive difference for our fellow Tasmanians remains as strong as ever.”
After the 65-year-old lawyer lost his seat in 2022, after 28 years in the Senate, he said he still had “much petrol in the tank”.
Despite being relegated to the virtually unwinnable third spot on the Senate ticket after a bitter preselection battle, he was “heartened” that 15,414 people gave him their first preference vote.

Mr Abetz, a conservative Christian who served as a minister in both the Howard and Abbott governments, said many people still approached him for help.

“Not having the resources to fully assist is frustrating but I have nevertheless accepted many invitations to speak at meetings and dinners and serve in the voluntary/charitable sector besides running my consultancy practice,” he said.

“Being around in my local community is something I do cherish and serving in Hobart instead of Canberra will allow me to stay more closely connected.”

He believes the government deserves to be elected in its own right.

“From a Labor/Green government which brought with it the predictable recession Tasmania has been transformed by the Liberals to the ‘turn around State’ to the ‘stand out State’ when it comes to economic performance which is the bedrock for funding health, police and education along with other fundamental services.

“On any objective analysis or measure Tasmania is in a better place today than she was under Labor/ Green rule.
“Tasmanians should never forget the mess they left.”

Once regarded as the most powerful Liberal politician in Tasmania, he rejects assertions he was a powerbroker.
“How others perceive me and my role in the party is for them.

“I do not warm to or identify with the description of ‘powerbroker’ whatever that may mean.

“However it did become fashionable for some to lay the blame for every sub-optimal outcome at my feet and completely ignore my presence when success came the Liberals way.

“The dishonesty and incongruity of that rationale is not lost with most people.”

At the next election, due in 2025, Mr Abetz said Tasmanians had a choice between “a tried and proven Liberal Government and a tired and fractured Labor Party” run under the party’s national executive.

“Labor has a nice but hapless leader who is controlled by two ex-union bosses appointed by Canberra.

“The Liberals in stark contrast have decisions being made by Tasmanians in Tasmania for Tasmanians.

“Labor simply is paralysed and cannot make such a vitally important claim. Those factors are more important than an academic argument about where the centre of politics might lie.

“Being in tune with the aspirations and needs of our fellow Tasmanians is key.”

Nominations for Liberal preselection close on January 25.

If it is any consolation, it seems certain the Libs will lose the next election.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Eric Abetz at Blackman’s Bay. Picture: Chris Kidd

Former longstanding Tasmanian Liberal senator Eric Abetz is attempting a political comeback.

After months of speculation, Mr Abetz has confirmed to the Sunday Tasmanian he will seek Liberal endorsement for the seat of Franklin at the next state election.

“Whilst a lot of thought and consideration went into the decision I was convinced that I had a skill set and experience including from being Liberal leader in the Australian Senate for five years which would be of real world practical benefit to the Tasmanian people and the Liberal Party,” he said.

“The drive and determination to serve and make a positive difference for our fellow Tasmanians remains as strong as ever.”
After the 65-year-old lawyer lost his seat in 2022, after 28 years in the Senate, he said he still had “much petrol in the tank”.
Despite being relegated to the virtually unwinnable third spot on the Senate ticket after a bitter preselection battle, he was “heartened” that 15,414 people gave him their first preference vote.

Mr Abetz, a conservative Christian who served as a minister in both the Howard and Abbott governments, said many people still approached him for help.

“Not having the resources to fully assist is frustrating but I have nevertheless accepted many invitations to speak at meetings and dinners and serve in the voluntary/charitable sector besides running my consultancy practice,” he said.

“Being around in my local community is something I do cherish and serving in Hobart instead of Canberra will allow me to stay more closely connected.”

He believes the government deserves to be elected in its own right.

“From a Labor/Green government which brought with it the predictable recession Tasmania has been transformed by the Liberals to the ‘turn around State’ to the ‘stand out State’ when it comes to economic performance which is the bedrock for funding health, police and education along with other fundamental services.

“On any objective analysis or measure Tasmania is in a better place today than she was under Labor/ Green rule.
“Tasmanians should never forget the mess they left.”

Once regarded as the most powerful Liberal politician in Tasmania, he rejects assertions he was a powerbroker.
“How others perceive me and my role in the party is for them.

“I do not warm to or identify with the description of ‘powerbroker’ whatever that may mean.

“However it did become fashionable for some to lay the blame for every sub-optimal outcome at my feet and completely ignore my presence when success came the Liberals way.

“The dishonesty and incongruity of that rationale is not lost with most people.”

At the next election, due in 2025, Mr Abetz said Tasmanians had a choice between “a tried and proven Liberal Government and a tired and fractured Labor Party” run under the party’s national executive.

“Labor has a nice but hapless leader who is controlled by two ex-union bosses appointed by Canberra.

“The Liberals in stark contrast have decisions being made by Tasmanians in Tasmania for Tasmanians.

“Labor simply is paralysed and cannot make such a vitally important claim. Those factors are more important than an academic argument about where the centre of politics might lie.

“Being in tune with the aspirations and needs of our fellow Tasmanians is key.”

Nominations for Liberal preselection close on January 25.

If it is any consolation, it seems certain the Libs will lose the next election.

but football.

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

They’ve been happy to employ atheists since last millennium. General requirement is that one attends religious things (presumably for suitable supervision of students), but does not have to actively participate.

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

Back in the day when I was a whippersnapper, my mother was allowed to be what was known as a lay-teacher at the time. Despite being born into Anglican family, she was not at all religious and had to according to the rules of the day, convert to Catholicism to be able to marry my dad, she never went to church other than for the important occasions. However, the Catholic education system allowed her to teach purely because it now said Catholic on her religious status. My mother was as close to an athiest as possible whilst keeping up appearances for those who wished it of her to be otherwise. Yet she taught in Catholic schools for more than fifty years.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

Back in the day when I was a whippersnapper, my mother was allowed to be what was known as a lay-teacher at the time. Despite being born into Anglican family, she was not at all religious and had to according to the rules of the day, convert to Catholicism to be able to marry my dad, she never went to church other than for the important occasions. However, the Catholic education system allowed her to teach purely because it now said Catholic on her religious status. My mother was as close to an athiest as possible whilst keeping up appearances for those who wished it of her to be otherwise. Yet she taught in Catholic schools for more than fifty years.

If things had gone slightly differently, i might have had to convert from a most indifferently-held Catholicism to Judaism, for the sake of marriage.

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

I think there are existing caveats in the law about beliefs and the rights of religious organisations to discriminate therein so since there will be no changes this issue is attracting less attention. That’s not to say that this issue doesn’t warrant debate.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

Back in the day when I was a whippersnapper, my mother was allowed to be what was known as a lay-teacher at the time. Despite being born into Anglican family, she was not at all religious and had to according to the rules of the day, convert to Catholicism to be able to marry my dad, she never went to church other than for the important occasions. However, the Catholic education system allowed her to teach purely because it now said Catholic on her religious status. My mother was as close to an athiest as possible whilst keeping up appearances for those who wished it of her to be otherwise. Yet she taught in Catholic schools for more than fifty years.

If things had gone slightly differently, i might have had to convert from a most indifferently-held Catholicism to Judaism, for the sake of marriage.

It might have changed since I heard it but because their mother was Jewish, her children are automatically Jews.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

I think there are existing caveats in the law about beliefs and the rights of religious organisations to discriminate therein so since there will be no changes this issue is attracting less attention. That’s not to say that this issue doesn’t warrant debate.

Yeah. We can alk about until we are blue in the face but it is unlikely to change anything much.

OCDC said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

They’ve been happy to employ atheists since last millennium. General requirement is that one attends religious things (presumably for suitable supervision of students), but does not have to actively participate.

It seems Alan Tudge thinks otherwise:

“The education minister, Alan Tudge, says the federal government’s revised religious discrimination bill will allow schools to hire on the basis of faith, but they will not be able to discriminate on other characteristics, such as sexuality.

As the government flags its intention to pass the legislation through the Senate by the end of the year, former Labor senator Jacinta Collins is also urging Labor to support the positive discrimination employment right for faith-based institutions.”

(from The Guardian, forgot to copy the link).

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

The witch issues I experienced at a community-based preschool came from the parish council members on the committee. We were leasing a hall on the property of the Anglican church. It was not a Christian preschool, we received funding from the state government and therefore operated under DOCS regulations.
The parish council wanted a young missionary to be director. Anyway, they discriminated against me because I wasn’t a member of their congregation and I didn’t take up their offers to attend bible study.
They ended the lease and turned us out. My union stepped in, a QC looked over the case and said I may have a case blah blah blah…..

The End

The Rev Dodgson said:

OCDC said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

They’ve been happy to employ atheists since last millennium. General requirement is that one attends religious things (presumably for suitable supervision of students), but does not have to actively participate.

It seems Alan Tudge thinks otherwise:

“The education minister, Alan Tudge, says the federal government’s revised religious discrimination bill will allow schools to hire on the basis of faith, but they will not be able to discriminate on other characteristics, such as sexuality.

As the government flags its intention to pass the legislation through the Senate by the end of the year, former Labor senator Jacinta Collins is also urging Labor to support the positive discrimination employment right for faith-based institutions.”

(from The Guardian, forgot to copy the link).

Being allowed to do something doesn’t necessarily mean they will do it.

My atheist sister has only ever been employed at catholic schools. She is out, even to students. She has never been sacked.

Morning punters and correctors.
Nothing to report.
Over.

Peak Warming Man said:

Morning punters and correctors.
Nothing to report.
Over.

Did it rain?

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

The witch issues I experienced at a community-based preschool came from the parish council members on the committee. We were leasing a hall on the property of the Anglican church. It was not a Christian preschool, we received funding from the state government and therefore operated under DOCS regulations.
The parish council wanted a young missionary to be director. Anyway, they discriminated against me because I wasn’t a member of their congregation and I didn’t take up their offers to attend bible study.
They ended the lease and turned us out. My union stepped in, a QC looked over the case and said I may have a case blah blah blah…..

The End

That’s pretty bad. When was that? (although I guess similar stuff still goes on unreported at the local level).

The Rev Dodgson said:

kii said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

There has been a lot in the old fashioned news media about religious organisations in NSW wanting to preserve their rights to discriminate against various groups in their choice of staff and students.

It’s all written in terms of sexuality, specifically referencing homosexuals and transexuals.

But what of discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, or lack thereof? Surely that affects a much larger number of people, and should at least get a mention.

Or are religious schools happy to hire atheists as teachers these days?

The witch issues I experienced at a community-based preschool came from the parish council members on the committee. We were leasing a hall on the property of the Anglican church. It was not a Christian preschool, we received funding from the state government and therefore operated under DOCS regulations.
The parish council wanted a young missionary to be director. Anyway, they discriminated against me because I wasn’t a member of their congregation and I didn’t take up their offers to attend bible study.
They ended the lease and turned us out. My union stepped in, a QC looked over the case and said I may have a case blah blah blah…..

The End

That’s pretty bad. When was that? (although I guess similar stuff still goes on unreported at the local level).

Mid to late 1990s. Lawson NSW. Emanuel Preschool.

roughbarked said:

It might have changed since I heard it but because their mother was Jewish, her children are automatically Jews.

Can’t say for sure, but i seem to recall something about the maternal line.

Anyway, i probably would have had to do it to quiet any misgivings about having a goy in the family.

But, it was not to be.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

It might have changed since I heard it but because their mother was Jewish, her children are automatically Jews.

Can’t say for sure, but i seem to recall something about the maternal line.

Anyway, i probably would have had to do it to quiet any misgivings about having a goy in the family.

But, it was not to be.

Sad, but yes, the religion follows in the maternal line.

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

It might have changed since I heard it but because their mother was Jewish, her children are automatically Jews.

Can’t say for sure, but i seem to recall something about the maternal line.

Anyway, i probably would have had to do it to quiet any misgivings about having a goy in the family.

But, it was not to be.

Sad, but yes, the religion follows in the maternal line.

For good reason. They also excluded boys likely to have haemophilia from having to be circumcised. But not rabbis with hepatitis until recently…

OCDC said:

AussieDJ said:

captain_spalding said:

Can’t say for sure, but i seem to recall something about the maternal line.

Anyway, i probably would have had to do it to quiet any misgivings about having a goy in the family.

But, it was not to be.

Sad, but yes, the religion follows in the maternal line.

For good reason. They also excluded boys likely to have haemophilia from having to be circumcised. But not rabbis with hepatitis until recently…

So what is the good reason?

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

AussieDJ said:

Sad, but yes, the religion follows in the maternal line.

For good reason. They also excluded boys likely to have haemophilia from having to be circumcised. But not rabbis with hepatitis until recently…

So what is the good reason?

That you are reasonably sure about who the mother is.

OCDC said:

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

For good reason. They also excluded boys likely to have haemophilia from having to be circumcised. But not rabbis with hepatitis until recently…

So what is the good reason?

That you are reasonably sure about who the mother is.

Moreso than the father.

OCDC said:

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

For good reason. They also excluded boys likely to have haemophilia from having to be circumcised. But not rabbis with hepatitis until recently…

So what is the good reason?

That you are reasonably sure about who the mother is.

:) I see.

Murdoch mob gees up 6,000 people to demand Qantas sack a flight attendant for wearing a pin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQO0JBrv34

sarahs mum said:

Murdoch mob gees up 6,000 people to demand Qantas sack a flight attendant for wearing a pin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQO0JBrv34

I’m getting really miffed at the propaganda.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Murdoch mob gees up 6,000 people to demand Qantas sack a flight attendant for wearing a pin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQO0JBrv34

I’m getting really miffed at the propaganda.

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Murdoch mob gees up 6,000 people to demand Qantas sack a flight attendant for wearing a pin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQO0JBrv34

I’m getting really miffed at the propaganda.

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

thank you.

sarahs mum said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m getting really miffed at the propaganda.

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

thank you.

absolutely not surprised to see the pic of the complainant standing next to eric abetz.

fucking shat with murdockery.

sarahs mum said:

fucking shat with murdockery.

i don’t even ask for it but they make sure it permeates my life. I rest my mouse in the wrong spot and whammo.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

fucking shat with murdockery.

i don’t even ask for it but they make sure it permeates my life. I rest my mouse in the wrong spot and whammo.

• i don’t even ask for it but they make sure it permeates my life

Funny, that’s how they feel about welcome to country…

it happened again.

sarahs mum said:

it happened again.

He should have withdrawn but its too late now, due to their long drawn out election process, they’re stuck with him…

furious said:

sarahs mum said:

it happened again.

He should have withdrawn but its too late now, due to their long drawn out election process, they’re stuck with him…

it’s the propaganda rather than news thing that is miffing me. It’s just an endless stream of crap.

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Murdoch mob gees up 6,000 people to demand Qantas sack a flight attendant for wearing a pin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gQO0JBrv34

I’m getting really miffed at the propaganda.

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

What sort of pin was it?

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m getting really miffed at the propaganda.

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

What sort of pin was it?

palestinian flag

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

What sort of pin was it?

palestinian flag

The world is crazy/

sarahs mum said:

furious said:

sarahs mum said:

it happened again.

He should have withdrawn but its too late now, due to their long drawn out election process, they’re stuck with him…

it’s the propaganda rather than news thing that is miffing me. It’s just an endless stream of crap.

Agreed. When about 95% of headlines are negative political statements aimed at one particular side of politics, and mostly not even related to any notable event, that’s not even pretending to be a source of “news”.

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m getting really miffed at the propaganda.

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

What sort of pin was it?

the Palestinian flag.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

ChrispenEvan said:

I made an account with change org and put in a complaint of bullying concerning that petition and comments.

What sort of pin was it?

the Palestinian flag.

terrible.

furious said:

sarahs mum said:

it happened again.

He should have withdrawn but its too late now, due to their long drawn out election process, they’re stuck with him…

The Democrats problem has been that they haven’t invested the time and effort needed to promote any other viable candidate, not since Hilary Clinton.

Perhaps they were stunned and reeling after 2016, after ‘the impossible’ happened and Trump was elected, but there hasn’t been a cohort of potential nominees that would be acceptable to an American electorate that, largely, won’t stand for anything that contradicts their facade of ‘conservative’ and ‘Christian’ values.

Kamal Harris (remember her? Notably absent from the news for many months now.) had early promise, but (by the judgement of her own party and the media) put her foot in her mouth a few times too many.

Pete Buttigieg ‘could’ve been a contender, could’ve been somebody’, but goddamnitall, he’s gay! There’s more chance of Putin becoming a Buddhist monk than there is of Americans putting a gay guy into the White House.

Poor ol’ Joe was the only one that they could come up with that stood a chance, and thank goodness for an electorate that had grown weary of Trump and his nonsense.

But, now, it’s four years later, and, like voters everywhere, Americans have short memories, and can’t resist a persistent, if not a good, liar.

captain_spalding said:

furious said:

sarahs mum said:

it happened again.

He should have withdrawn but its too late now, due to their long drawn out election process, they’re stuck with him…

The Democrats problem has been that they haven’t invested the time and effort needed to promote any other viable candidate, not since Hilary Clinton.

Perhaps they were stunned and reeling after 2016, after ‘the impossible’ happened and Trump was elected, but there hasn’t been a cohort of potential nominees that would be acceptable to an American electorate that, largely, won’t stand for anything that contradicts their facade of ‘conservative’ and ‘Christian’ values.

Kamal Harris (remember her? Notably absent from the news for many months now.) had early promise, but (by the judgement of her own party and the media) put her foot in her mouth a few times too many.

Pete Buttigieg ‘could’ve been a contender, could’ve been somebody’, but goddamnitall, he’s gay! There’s more chance of Putin becoming a Buddhist monk than there is of Americans putting a gay guy into the White House.

Poor ol’ Joe was the only one that they could come up with that stood a chance, and thank goodness for an electorate that had grown weary of Trump and his nonsense.

But, now, it’s four years later, and, like voters everywhere, Americans have short memories, and can’t resist a persistent, if not a good, liar.

that wasn’t my point. my point was that they just make shit up.

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

furious said:

He should have withdrawn but its too late now, due to their long drawn out election process, they’re stuck with him…

it’s the propaganda rather than news thing that is miffing me. It’s just an endless stream of crap.

Agreed. When about 95% of headlines are negative political statements aimed at one particular side of politics, and mostly not even related to any notable event, that’s not even pretending to be a source of “news”.

yes.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

What sort of pin was it?

palestinian flag

The world is crazy/

20k plus people dead. mostly women and children again. and we are suppose to get upset that someone is wearing a lapel badge. and double down on that it is a women. and she’s fat to boot.

I hat Murdoch.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

palestinian flag

The world is crazy/

20k plus people dead. mostly women and children again. and we are suppose to get upset that someone is wearing a lapel badge. and double down on that it is a women. and she’s fat to boot.

I hat Murdoch.

supposed. woman.

sarahs mum said:

that wasn’t my point. my point was that they just make shit up.

Well, when it’s Sky News, it can be taken for granted that facts and reality were never a part of the process, at any stage.

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2024/01/yougov-predicts-4-parties-in-next-state-parliament/

sarahs mum said:

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2024/01/yougov-predicts-4-parties-in-next-state-parliament/

If an election was held today, the result would produce a hung parliament. YouGov’s Public Data has projected that the 35 member Tasmanian Legislative Assembly would most likely be made up of; 11 Liberal, 10 Labor, 7 Jacqui Lambie Network, 6 Greens, and 1 independent.

sarahs mum said:

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2024/01/yougov-predicts-4-parties-in-next-state-parliament/

LabLambGreen should be a workable coalition

Is the Coalition really ‘superior economic managers’? | The West Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ewg8DQ3I8