Date: 2/01/2024 08:52:31
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2109421
Subject: Context and reality

Any thoughts on
Why is no one taught the one concept in quantum physics which denies reality?
?

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Date: 2/01/2024 09:07:14
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2109431
Subject: re: Context and reality

Should I have breakfast before I read this.

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Date: 2/01/2024 09:42:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2109447
Subject: re: Context and reality

>Scientific realism is the belief that the true nature of reality is the subject of scientific investigation

Some pointless repetition there, if you ask me. Reality is usually taken to mean “the true nature” of whatever’s being investigated.

So he’s saying “the true nature of the true nature” is the subject of scientific investigation.

Anyway I’ll read the rest after my shower.

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Date: 2/01/2024 09:46:03
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2109450
Subject: re: Context and reality

Peak Warming Man said:


Should I have breakfast before I read this.

You are a remarkably foresightful person.

That or you have already read it.

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Date: 2/01/2024 10:43:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2109464
Subject: re: Context and reality

>There is no way to define a reality that is independent of the way we choose to look at it.

Doesn’t sound terribly significant to me, unless your expectations are misplaced.

Realism is what we hope to achieve in a demonstrably accurate model (indeed that’s what we mean by the term “realism”).

The “world itself” doesn’t need to be realistic, because it’s not modelling anything.

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Date: 2/01/2024 11:30:37
From: Ian
ID: 2109496
Subject: re: Context and reality

Je ne savais rien de le tuyau de René Magritte.

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Date: 2/01/2024 12:50:21
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2109511
Subject: re: Context and reality

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_contextuality

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Date: 2/01/2024 13:05:25
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2109514
Subject: re: Context and reality

Witty Rejoinder said:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_contextuality

Good summary, but could someone translate:
“This stochasticity is however epistemic and not ontic as in the standard formulation of quantum mechanics.”
for me?

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Date: 2/01/2024 13:06:36
From: dv
ID: 2109516
Subject: re: Context and reality

The Rev Dodgson said:


Any thoughts on
Why is no one taught the one concept in quantum physics which denies reality?
?

Waffle

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Date: 2/01/2024 13:12:14
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2109523
Subject: re: Context and reality

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Any thoughts on
Why is no one taught the one concept in quantum physics which denies reality?
?

Waffle

It’s not very good.

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Date: 3/01/2024 05:18:52
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2109774
Subject: re: Context and reality

dv said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

Any thoughts on
Why is no one taught the one concept in quantum physics which denies reality?
?

Waffle

Mostly. But there is an application.

There is one interpretation of quantum mechanics in which context is all-important. It’s like the many-worlds theory, but instead of the universe branching into multiple realities at the observation of a quantum variable, the observation is deterministic based on the context. The context being “the name for the fact that any real states of the world giving rise to the rules of quantum physics must depend on contexts that no experiment can distinguish”.

Or to put it another way, in this interpretation of quantum mechanics, no experiment is ever repeatable because the external context changes.

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Date: 3/01/2024 07:43:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2109789
Subject: re: Context and reality

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Any thoughts on
Why is no one taught the one concept in quantum physics which denies reality?
?

Waffle

Mostly. But there is an application.

There is one interpretation of quantum mechanics in which context is all-important. It’s like the many-worlds theory, but instead of the universe branching into multiple realities at the observation of a quantum variable, the observation is deterministic based on the context. The context being “the name for the fact that any real states of the world giving rise to the rules of quantum physics must depend on contexts that no experiment can distinguish”.

Or to put it another way, in this interpretation of quantum mechanics, no experiment is ever repeatable because the external context changes.

Does that qualify as unpopular?

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