Scrolling through various message boards and the like watching AI identities (?) hurling abuse at each other there was one insult that came with a cartoon of a face , the characteristics of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. It was the face of a boy with the changes itemised , the face was familiar ( not me) then I realised.

Greta thunberg

I typed this crazy thought that Greta was affected and many hits came up – its obvious to any observer Greta suffers from FAS. Then I thought, wouldn’t any doctor have realised this ? Shirley they would?

Wouldn’t doctors examine a patients face when they walked through the door, looked at their hands ( FAS affects fingers) ?

Wouldn’t a whole list of conditions be easily seen just looking at the face and hands?

Passport pictures, driving licences, pictures on the internet, facial recognition to open your phone, fingerprint ID, voter ID ( sorry just my little joke), wouldn’t these all be windows into the health of the individual and a nation? If you had a national data base you could quickly discover the kinds of afflictions in percentages ?

You could see if FAS was going up or down?

Now, another thing, wouldn’t a palmist be aware of FAS through the length of the pinky finger ? Does a palmist or anyone else making a living look intently at a customer’s face to create a diagnosis or fortune ?

Revive phrenology!

A few years ago they got AI to learn then predict who was gay just from pictures of a new target – AI was able to predict with a reasonable certainty about who was gay, it didn’t say how. Wouldn’t a palmist or doctor be in someway looking for certain “instinctive” clues as well? A palmist would want to know to create a believable fortune telling – but again – maybe a palmist stares into the face to extract clues. A doctor sifting through potentially hundreds of thousands of patients woukd instinctively identify someone who was gay from their face ( let’s say they completely ignore their well groomed appearance and fine taste in clothing ). Wouldn’t they know – anyone that sifts through the general public?

Ok – now crazy shit

If you fed pictures of serial killers , murderers , violent criminals into AI , couldn’t you predict or identify very dangerous people before or when interviewing suspects ? Given the wealth of images of criminals couldn’t you use the same databases all over again ? Wouldn’t a phone company or internet company with images already know MANY things ?

Michael V said:

Revive phrenology!

No it’s all true – alcohol takes a toll on the fetus, it’s one of the things that relates to aboriginals and crime rate, there’s an opinion it’s the damage being done in the womb that’s causing crime rates later on.

It might be why Islam bans the use of alcohol, apart from the immediate problems it could lead to problems later on. Islam clamps down on female freedoms and you’ve got the alcohol ban. Natalistic societies woukd ban alcohol or at least warn of it?

sees ya intellectual lurchings still has that special sensitivity

keep up the good work, master wookie

wookiemeister said:

It might be why Islam bans the use of alcohol, apart from the immediate problems it could lead to problems later on. Islam clamps down on female freedoms and you’ve got the alcohol ban. Natalistic societies woukd ban alcohol or at least warn of it?

Now, if they could just decide once and for all whether khat is halal or haram, they might be able to sort out some of the problems they do have.

Conspiracy theory : it’s why they put up taxation on alcohol every year to compete with inflation. They know the damage it’s doing and have to keep a lid on it – create a non accelerating rate of FAS injury.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

It might be why Islam bans the use of alcohol, apart from the immediate problems it could lead to problems later on. Islam clamps down on female freedoms and you’ve got the alcohol ban. Natalistic societies woukd ban alcohol or at least warn of it?

Now, if they could just decide once and for all whether khat is halal or haram, they might be able to sort out some of the problems they do have.

You’d need to evaluate the harm factor I’d say

scum.

Create a campaign that shows how alcohol destroys a woman’s looks ( it does) to keep levels of FAS under control ? A woman that doesn’t drink becomes more critical of a potential mate, the man stops drinking or finds someone new.

Maybe ALL of the social ills are related to women consuming drugs , stop the flow of drugs and superfluous medication into women and you stop future problems ( contraceptives included – studies have shown it screws with the female mind eg makes them less fearful , when they should be fearful)

Conspiracy theory

Alcohol and drug use fuels the rise of revolutions / psychological revolutions , it might have been rampant alcohol use that fuelled the revolutions of the past. The damage caused by FAS and pharmaceuticals could take decades to manifest eg rampant use of anti biotics might well have created many problems, the rise of allergies?

When I was the Great Wally I had a nipple reading tent down the Gold Coast.

ChrispenEvan said:

scum.

No I’m saying there could be a hidden factor in society the downfall of societies / civilisations

Some say it was LEAD that caused the downfall of Rome, the ingestion of lead in water and wine.

In our modern era it could be chocolate – chocolate is packed with lead and cadmium

wookiemeister said:

ChrispenEvan said:

scum.

No I’m saying there could be a hidden factor in society the downfall of societies / civilisations

Some say it was LEAD that caused the downfall of Rome, the ingestion of lead in water and wine.

In our modern era it could be chocolate – chocolate is packed with lead and cadmium

Or you could say it’s the rise of technology that causes the rot, as the ability to create harmful chemicals/molecules goes up so it sets up the domino’s to fall

Or even the use of money, money fuels the rise of new techniques to make new molecules

Peak Warming Man said:

When I was the Great Wally I had a nipple reading tent down the Gold Coast.

:)

I am of course unwilling to reveal all that I learned from the gypsies and my other sources, but there is more about the nature of palmistry that may prove interesting. The lines in the palm, particularly the four main ones (life, fate, head, and heart) are actually formed before birth. The fetus awaits birth with closed hands, and the act of making a fist creates creases or lines in the hand. I have looked at subjects as young as six weeks of age and found their fortunes quite easy to read, although some squinting is required. The lines deepen and change somewhat during one’s lifetime; new lines appear as well, but the basic lines mentioned above are quite easily read at no matter what age.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1968/1/10/confessions-of-a-palmist-pithe-name/

Maybe the first doctors were palmists

> There was one insult that came with a cartoon of a face, the characteristics of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. It was the face of a boy with the changes itemised, the face was familiar (not me) then I realised.

> Greta Thunberg

That’s a beautiful unpopular opinion.

Want a similar one? Queen Victoria never smiled for the camera. She was said to have a lovely smile. Once I saw a photo of Queen Victoria smiling. The face was instantly familiar:

Down Syndrome

mollwollfumble said:

> There was one insult that came with a cartoon of a face, the characteristics of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. It was the face of a boy with the changes itemised, the face was familiar (not me) then I realised.

> Greta Thunberg

That’s a beautiful unpopular opinion.

Want a similar one? Queen Victoria never smiled for the camera. She was said to have a lovely smile. Once I saw a photo of Queen Victoria smiling. The face was instantly familiar:

Down Syndrome

I had a dog named Syndrome.

Peak Warming Man said:

mollwollfumble said:

> There was one insult that came with a cartoon of a face, the characteristics of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. It was the face of a boy with the changes itemised, the face was familiar (not me) then I realised.

> Greta Thunberg

That’s a beautiful unpopular opinion.

Want a similar one? Queen Victoria never smiled for the camera. She was said to have a lovely smile. Once I saw a photo of Queen Victoria smiling. The face was instantly familiar:

Down Syndrome

I had a dog named Syndrome.

Christian name : China

( think of how Donald Trump says Chy-na and how it might trigger people)

mollwollfumble said:

> There was one insult that came with a cartoon of a face, the characteristics of a child with fetal alcohol syndrome. It was the face of a boy with the changes itemised, the face was familiar (not me) then I realised.

> Greta Thunberg

That’s a beautiful unpopular opinion.

Want a similar one? Queen Victoria never smiled for the camera. She was said to have a lovely smile. Once I saw a photo of Queen Victoria smiling. The face was instantly familiar:

Down Syndrome

With Greta it took about 10 seconds to make the connection, the cartoon wasn’t aimed at her but the lookseemed so familiar, the crease above the top lip is non existent, the top lip narrow compare to the bottom , an upturned nose is another clue. I’ve seen Gretas face before and something didn’t seem “right “ , I’d been vaguely aware of talk saying using her to push climate change was cruel and the child had developmental problems – speech patterns etc but had brushed it away as an ad hominem aimed at a weird kid.

But the face – the face – passport to the world, your identity could be a blessing or a curse. A well versed man could read a face, kidney problems, eyes slightly wider than normal or unusual eyelids, the crease in your lips upturned. Testosterone will shape the face I guess, just like oestrogen (?). I used to know someone who had that curious flicker of the eyes, ever seen it? The eyes suddenly track off to the left or right then bounce back and forth until they are back looking at you again. I’ve seen crossed eyes before , its rare over here Dr K mentioned it once. Crossed eyes can be fixed with an operation.

I wonder if plastic surgeons would be aware of the cause of facial abnormalities, or at least recognise them immediately. Dentists I’ve found will ALWAYS notice people’s teeth – will look at the jawline.

With Victoria’s face, what features would you say points towards down syndrome? The puffy eyes ? Wide face?

Drawing a long bow

In blade runner, replicants might be identified by facial characteristics – would replicants have a zero drift eye motion ? I think it might have been here that mentioned that the eye tracks around refreshing the image , the eye is not dead still. Would replicants or genetically created humans lack certain characteristics – woukd they be too “perfect”?

When a dog growls at some random person for no reason the dog is staring into the person face – a dog has evolved into evaluating a human face , tens of thousands of years of breeding.

A dog staring at the human face, smelling everything, alcohol or drugs exuding from the skin and breath – it detects something no machine or man can ever detect, ever vigilant , ever watching.

Foetal
Alcohol
Characteristic
Eccentricity

Mohammed didn’t like dogs , ordered them to be killed

Maybe dogs found something they didn’t like and always reacted around him

wookiemeister said:

When a dog growls at some random person for no reason the dog is staring into the person face – a dog has evolved into evaluating a human face , tens of thousands of years of breeding.

A dog staring at the human face, smelling everything, alcohol or drugs exuding from the skin and breath – it detects something no machine or man can ever detect, ever vigilant , ever watching.

what if it’s dark, or the person is looking away from the dog

and what really is a random person, and no reason

whatever, perhaps those and dog growling are a metaphor of sorts representing thought disorder, who knows

transition said:

wookiemeister said:

When a dog growls at some random person for no reason the dog is staring into the person face – a dog has evolved into evaluating a human face , tens of thousands of years of breeding.

A dog staring at the human face, smelling everything, alcohol or drugs exuding from the skin and breath – it detects something no machine or man can ever detect, ever vigilant , ever watching.

what if it’s dark, or the person is looking away from the dog

and what really is a random person, and no reason

whatever, perhaps those and dog growling are a metaphor of sorts representing thought disorder, who knows

Dogs are fickle

There’s the scene in terminator where they use digs to expose terminators. Instinctively in the film it’s understood that dogs will expose imposters, in one scene dogs are used to sniff out terminators at an entrance, in another film the terminator kills the dog because its barking in alarm and the terminator is suspicious of the dogs name and killing the dog exposes the nature of the terminator.

My wife took the bigger dog to work, an older man slightly pissed grabbed its head and face rubbing it and mucking around with it- no problem, the quiet guy – dog stares at him then growls and barks/ lunges for no reason ( doesn’t like anyone in hi-vis)

In the Madeleine McCann case the sniffer dogs showed where Madeleine had laid dead in the room then identified the boot of the patents hire car as where a dead body had been laid. Its speculated the child had been given anaesthetic by the mother ( both parents doctors/ anaesthetists) to aid sleep whilst the parents went out. Anaesthetic lingers in the system – fatal overdose, the parents come back and transfer the body after thinking of disposal methods john wedger suggests the body was dumped amongst rocks on a shoreline, crabs and sea life woukd quickly remove it.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/07/artificial-intelligence-can-tell-your-sexuality-politics-surveillance-paul-lewis

Artificial Intelligence for Suicide Assessment using Audiovisual Cues

by S Dhelim · 2022 · Cited by 7 — The results suggest that facial expressions such as smiling behaviors are more statistically correlated with suicide than other visual features such as eye …

Death by suicide is the seventh leading death cause worldwide. The recent advancement in Artificial Intelligence (AI), specifically AI applications in image and voice processing, has created a promising opportunity to revolutionize suicide risk assessment. Subsequently, we have witnessed fast-growing literature of research that applies AI to extract audiovisual non-verbal cues for mental illness assessment. However, the majority of the recent works focus on depression, despite the evident difference between depression symptoms and suicidal behavior non-verbal cues. In this paper, we review the recent works that study suicide ideation and suicide behavior detection through audiovisual feature analysis, mainly suicidal voice/speech acoustic features analysis and suicidal visual cues. Automatic suicide assessment is a promising research direction that is still in the early stages. Accordingly, there is a lack of large datasets that can be used to train machine leaning and deep learning models proven to be effective in other, similar tasks.
Keywords: suicide detection; machine learning; speech analysis; visual cues; suicide ideation detection;

I started thinking about the face again

In theory you might be able to predict behaviours by a machine examining the face, suicide prevention. You encourage people to take pictures of themselves for social media content then use machines to examine millions of selfies.

When the program discovers potential victims it then uses fake profiles to get the user to generate more content so more pictures and footage is uploaded to to social media so their face and voice patterns can be more fully examined for signs of potential self harm

You get them to read a passage out loud and verbal clues can be identified. The way some sounds are made is a strong clue of self harm.

wookiemeister said:

Artificial Intelligence for Suicide Assessment using Audiovisual Cues

by S Dhelim · 2022 · Cited by 7 — The results suggest that facial expressions such as smiling behaviors are more statistically correlated with suicide than other visual features such as eye …

Death by suicide is the seventh leading death cause worldwide. The recent advancement in Artificial Intelligence (AI), specifically AI applications in image and voice processing, has created a promising opportunity to revolutionize suicide risk assessment. Subsequently, we have witnessed fast-growing literature of research that applies AI to extract audiovisual non-verbal cues for mental illness assessment. However, the majority of the recent works focus on depression, despite the evident difference between depression symptoms and suicidal behavior non-verbal cues. In this paper, we review the recent works that study suicide ideation and suicide behavior detection through audiovisual feature analysis, mainly suicidal voice/speech acoustic features analysis and suicidal visual cues. Automatic suicide assessment is a promising research direction that is still in the early stages. Accordingly, there is a lack of large datasets that can be used to train machine leaning and deep learning models proven to be effective in other, similar tasks.
Keywords: suicide detection; machine learning; speech analysis; visual cues; suicide ideation detection;

I started thinking about the face again

In theory you might be able to predict behaviours by a machine examining the face, suicide prevention. You encourage people to take pictures of themselves for social media content then use machines to examine millions of selfies.

When the program discovers potential victims it then uses fake profiles to get the user to generate more content so more pictures and footage is uploaded to to social media so their face and voice patterns can be more fully examined for signs of potential self harm

The paper got ahead of me

6.4. Future directions Unlike text-based suicidal assessment that has been widely studied, suicide assessment through audiovisual data analysis is still in early development. There are many potential future research directions in this area:
 Conversational AI for suicide assessment: conversational AI agents can engage in a conversation with a user through written text or voice. Conversational AI is an important technology that has the potential to dominate the area of automatic suicide detection and intervention. As suicidal patients may feel more comfortable expressing their thoughts to AI agents than to a human. The future direction in this area is to train AI chatbots on a large data-set of suicide notes, and use this pretrained model and customize it to the characteristics of each patient.

Another idea

Can you predict school shooters by social media posts ? As in a machine examines the face and language of uploads ?

You use facial tech, gait tech to identify potential terrorists in an airport situation. The AI examines passengers before boarding in queues and lounge activities.

As a potential terrorist is detected the machine orchestrates sounds/ announcements / chance encounters with police ( plan clothes and airport stalkers) to provoke a response.