Do you know anyone (outside the USA) who has suffered from prejudice?
I’ve made up a little table of the severity of prejudice and want to compare it with real life.
mollwollfumble said:
Do you know anyone (outside the USA) who has suffered from prejudice?I’ve made up a little table of the severity of prejudice and want to compare it with real life.
I presume that since you mentioned suffering, you are referring to the negative connotations rather than the positive?
Are you referring to racial prejudice or are you open to other descriptions of the word?
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:
Do you know anyone (outside the USA) who has suffered from prejudice?I’ve made up a little table of the severity of prejudice and want to compare it with real life.
I presume that since you mentioned suffering, you are referring to the negative connotations rather than the positive?
Are you referring to racial prejudice or are you open to other descriptions of the word?
I don’t recall hearing the word used in a positive context.
Why exclude USA?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:
Do you know anyone (outside the USA) who has suffered from prejudice?I’ve made up a little table of the severity of prejudice and want to compare it with real life.
I presume that since you mentioned suffering, you are referring to the negative connotations rather than the positive?
Are you referring to racial prejudice or are you open to other descriptions of the word?
I don’t recall hearing the word used in a positive context.
Why exclude USA?
“The question itself as posed in the survey obviously is prejudiced in favor of the program,”
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I presume that since you mentioned suffering, you are referring to the negative connotations rather than the positive?
Are you referring to racial prejudice or are you open to other descriptions of the word?
I don’t recall hearing the word used in a positive context.
Why exclude USA?
“The question itself as posed in the survey obviously is prejudiced in favor of the program,”
OK, s’pose that’s positive.
Them muslims are prejudice.
mollwollfumble said:
Do you know anyone (outside the USA) who has suffered from prejudice?I’ve made up a little table of the severity of prejudice and want to compare it with real life.
I remember suffering from both pride and prejudice.
They made us read it in school.
captain_spalding said:
mollwollfumble said:
Do you know anyone (outside the USA) who has suffered from prejudice?I’ve made up a little table of the severity of prejudice and want to compare it with real life.
I remember suffering from both pride and prejudice.
They made us read it in school.
Dear oh dear.
Anyway, just asking if we know of any examples of ‘prejudice’ is a bit vague.
What qualifies as ‘prejudice’ for the purposes of Moll’s question?
Anyway, just asking if we know of any examples of ‘prejudice’ is a bit vague.
What qualifies as ‘prejudice’ for the purposes of Moll’s question?
captain_spalding said:
Anyway, just asking if we know of any examples of ‘prejudice’ is a bit vague.What qualifies as ‘prejudice’ for the purposes of Moll’s question?
Who knows?
Surely the meaning of the word “prejudice”, as related to people suffering from it, is reasonably well agreed?
My definition would be: people being badly treated because they are assigned to a different group to that of the person doing the bad treatment.
With groups based on ethnic background, gender, age, sexuality, religious beliefs, country or region they live in, hair colour, sports team supported, etc.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Surely the meaning of the word “prejudice”, as related to people suffering from it, is reasonably well agreed?My definition would be: people being badly treated because they are assigned to a different group to that of the person doing the bad treatment.
With groups based on ethnic background, gender, age, sexuality, religious beliefs, country or region they live in, hair colour, sports team supported, etc.
Ok boomer…
only a ginger can call another ginger ginger.
captain_spalding said:
mollwollfumble said:
Do you know anyone (outside the USA) who has suffered from prejudice?I’ve made up a little table of the severity of prejudice and want to compare it with real life.
I remember suffering from both pride and prejudice.
They made us read it in school.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Surely the meaning of the word “prejudice”, as related to people suffering from it, is reasonably well agreed?My definition would be: people being badly treated because they are assigned to a different group to that of the person doing the bad treatment.
With groups based on ethnic background, gender, age, sexuality, religious beliefs, country or region they live in, hair colour, sports team supported, etc.
pre-judging a member or members of a given classification often based upon a stereotypical set of characteristics
it can be touchy like when Joe Biden called Barak Obama “articulate”;
although it could be taken as a compliment, it came off as condescending to black people in general
The Rev Dodgson said:
Why exclude USA?
Because prejudice in the USA is a political nightmare. Separating truth from lies there is above my pay grade.
> Why exclude USA?
Because prejudice in the USA is a political nightmare. Separating truth from fiction there is above my pay grade.
captain_spalding said:
Anyway, just asking if we know of any examples of ‘prejudice’ is a bit vague.What qualifies as ‘prejudice’ for the purposes of Moll’s question?
Sorry, thought it was obvious. Prejudice on the basis of: race, disability, sexual orientation, age, gender, occupation, criminal record, hair, personal appearance, wealth, language, deafness, introversion, intelligence, mental health, disease, religion, attitude, taste in music, tattoos, piercings, makeup, clothing, diet, smell, immaturity, etc. etc.
> Sports team
That too.
Do you know details of anyone who has suffered from that sort of prejudice? I know (second or third hand) of two people who committed suicide because of prejudice. Two is not enough for a statistical sample.
mollwollfumble said:
> Why exclude USA?Because prejudice in the USA is a political nightmare. Separating truth from fiction there is above my pay grade.
captain_spalding said:
Anyway, just asking if we know of any examples of ‘prejudice’ is a bit vague.What qualifies as ‘prejudice’ for the purposes of Moll’s question?
Sorry, thought it was obvious. Prejudice on the basis of: race, disability, sexual orientation, age, gender, occupation, criminal record, hair, personal appearance, wealth, language, deafness, introversion, intelligence, mental health, disease, religion, attitude, taste in music, tattoos, piercings, makeup, clothing, diet, smell, immaturity, etc. etc.
> Sports team
That too.
Do you know details of anyone who has suffered from that sort of prejudice? I know (second or third hand) of two people who committed suicide because of prejudice. Two is not enough for a statistical sample.
Regarding USA – yes, but the same is true everywhere.
Regarding statistical samples; this forum is pretty small, and hardly a representative sample of the wider community.
but anyway:
Probably the clearest case I’ve seen is the husband of a friend of my daughter’s who is a black African with about 5 years experience as a civil engineer working in Africa, but was unable to find work here, even though it was a period of extreme shortage of engineers.
OTOH, I know several very dark skinned engineers, including one woman, who are doing very well.
I’m aware of several cases where companies have had to lay off senior people, and women seem to have been a disproportionate number, but I don’t know the background details for these.
Then there are more widespread things like indigenous people getting sub-standard education and medical treatment, but I don’t have first hand knowledge of those.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
> Why exclude USA?Because prejudice in the USA is a political nightmare. Separating truth from fiction there is above my pay grade.
captain_spalding said:
Anyway, just asking if we know of any examples of ‘prejudice’ is a bit vague.What qualifies as ‘prejudice’ for the purposes of Moll’s question?
Sorry, thought it was obvious. Prejudice on the basis of: race, disability, sexual orientation, age, gender, occupation, criminal record, hair, personal appearance, wealth, language, deafness, introversion, intelligence, mental health, disease, religion, attitude, taste in music, tattoos, piercings, makeup, clothing, diet, smell, immaturity, etc. etc.
> Sports team
That too.
Do you know details of anyone who has suffered from that sort of prejudice? I know (second or third hand) of two people who committed suicide because of prejudice. Two is not enough for a statistical sample.
Regarding USA – yes, but the same is true everywhere.
Regarding statistical samples; this forum is pretty small, and hardly a representative sample of the wider community.
but anyway:
Probably the clearest case I’ve seen is the husband of a friend of my daughter’s who is a black African with about 5 years experience as a civil engineer working in Africa, but was unable to find work here, even though it was a period of extreme shortage of engineers.
OTOH, I know several very dark skinned engineers, including one woman, who are doing very well.
I’m aware of several cases where companies have had to lay off senior people, and women seem to have been a disproportionate number, but I don’t know the background details for these.
Then there are more widespread things like indigenous people getting sub-standard education and medical treatment, but I don’t have first hand knowledge of those.
Prejudice is everywhere. As is bullying.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
> Why exclude USA?Because prejudice in the USA is a political nightmare. Separating truth from fiction there is above my pay grade.
Sorry, thought it was obvious. Prejudice on the basis of: race, disability, sexual orientation, age, gender, occupation, criminal record, hair, personal appearance, wealth, language, deafness, introversion, intelligence, mental health, disease, religion, attitude, taste in music, tattoos, piercings, makeup, clothing, diet, smell, immaturity, etc. etc.
> Sports team
That too.
Do you know details of anyone who has suffered from that sort of prejudice? I know (second or third hand) of two people who committed suicide because of prejudice. Two is not enough for a statistical sample.
Regarding USA – yes, but the same is true everywhere.
Regarding statistical samples; this forum is pretty small, and hardly a representative sample of the wider community.
but anyway:
Probably the clearest case I’ve seen is the husband of a friend of my daughter’s who is a black African with about 5 years experience as a civil engineer working in Africa, but was unable to find work here, even though it was a period of extreme shortage of engineers.
OTOH, I know several very dark skinned engineers, including one woman, who are doing very well.
I’m aware of several cases where companies have had to lay off senior people, and women seem to have been a disproportionate number, but I don’t know the background details for these.
Then there are more widespread things like indigenous people getting sub-standard education and medical treatment, but I don’t have first hand knowledge of those.
Prejudice is everywhere. As is bullying.
Yes, but so also are people who do not accept prejudice and/or bullying as acceptable behaviour, and in my experience these are the great majority.
> Prejudice is everywhere. As is bullying.
Bullying, of course. Almost very child in my high school was a bully, we had a hierarchy five deep of bullies.
Prejudice, not so much.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Regarding statistical samples; this forum is pretty small, and hardly a representative sample of the wider community.
but anyway:
Probably the clearest case I’ve seen is the husband of a friend of my daughter’s who is a black African with about 5 years experience as a civil engineer working in Africa, but was unable to find work here, even though it was a period of extreme shortage of engineers.
OTOH, I know several very dark skinned engineers, including one woman, who are doing very well.
I’m aware of several cases where companies have had to lay off senior people, and women seem to have been a disproportionate number, but I don’t know the background details for these.
Then there are more widespread things like indigenous people getting sub-standard education and medical treatment, but I don’t have first hand knowledge of those.
> a black African with about 5 years experience as a civil engineer … unable to find work here
Because of prejudice by employers?
Or because of prejudice by government restrictions on immigrant visas?
Was there any English language difficulty?
In terms of government restrictions, the worst I’ve come across is in Malaysia. Where native Malays can get into university on a lower HSC score than Malaysian Chinese. Most native Malays quickly dropped out of University, and that means that some Malaysian Chinese miss out on the chance of University education because of their race.
mollwollfumble said:
> Prejudice is everywhere. As is bullying.Bullying, of course. Almost very child in my high school was a bully, we had a hierarchy five deep of bullies.
Prejudice, not so much.The Rev Dodgson said:
Regarding statistical samples; this forum is pretty small, and hardly a representative sample of the wider community.
but anyway:
Probably the clearest case I’ve seen is the husband of a friend of my daughter’s who is a black African with about 5 years experience as a civil engineer working in Africa, but was unable to find work here, even though it was a period of extreme shortage of engineers.
OTOH, I know several very dark skinned engineers, including one woman, who are doing very well.
I’m aware of several cases where companies have had to lay off senior people, and women seem to have been a disproportionate number, but I don’t know the background details for these.
Then there are more widespread things like indigenous people getting sub-standard education and medical treatment, but I don’t have first hand knowledge of those.
> a black African with about 5 years experience as a civil engineer … unable to find work here
Because of prejudice by employers?
Or because of prejudice by government restrictions on immigrant visas?
Was there any English language difficulty?In terms of government restrictions, the worst I’ve come across is in Malaysia. Where native Malays can get into university on a lower HSC score than Malaysian Chinese. Most native Malays quickly dropped out of University, and that means that some Malaysian Chinese miss out on the chance of University education because of their race.
No problem with visas, he was married to an Australian citizen (and still is, with two beautiful daughters).
His English is pretty good. Other than outright anti-African prejudice I’d expect a major problem is perceived lower standards of African universities, and post university training, and quite possibly there is a reasonable basis for that.
I don’t know anything about the background to the Malaysian issues, so won’t comment on that.
You need to keep an eye on them Africans.
Peak Warming Man said:
You need to keep an eye on them Africans.
or so Dutton reckons. Only the white seth efricans are worthy.
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
You need to keep an eye on them Africans.
or so Dutton reckons. Only the white seth efricans are worthy.
They hold up wallets showing diplomatic immunity
Peak Warming Man said:
You need to keep an eye on them Africans.
my personal feeling about Black Africans
is that as the original people they are likened to stem cells
having the ability to adapt to and overcome almost any environment and situation
I’m not going to go all through this thread but I was trying to think of a polite way of saying: what a weird question. Is there anyone alive who doesn’t know someone who has suffered prejudice?
dv said:
I’m not going to go all through this thread but I was trying to think of a polite way of saying: what a weird question. Is there anyone alive who doesn’t know someone who has suffered prejudice?
I think everyone indulges in a bit of pre judging.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I’m not going to go all through this thread but I was trying to think of a polite way of saying: what a weird question. Is there anyone alive who doesn’t know someone who has suffered prejudice?
I think everyone indulges in a bit of pre judging.
Sure. Who among us is perfect?
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I’m not going to go all through this thread but I was trying to think of a polite way of saying: what a weird question. Is there anyone alive who doesn’t know someone who has suffered prejudice?
I think everyone indulges in a bit of pre judging.
Sure. Who among us is perfect?
Brian.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:I think everyone indulges in a bit of pre judging.
Sure. Who among us is perfect?
Brian.
Welease Bwian.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I’m not going to go all through this thread but I was trying to think of a polite way of saying: what a weird question. Is there anyone alive who doesn’t know someone who has suffered prejudice?
I think everyone indulges in a bit of pre judging.
Not me.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I’m not going to go all through this thread but I was trying to think of a polite way of saying: what a weird question. Is there anyone alive who doesn’t know someone who has suffered prejudice?
I think everyone indulges in a bit of pre judging.
Sure. Who among us is perfect?
Not I.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Sure. Who among us is perfect?
Brian.
Welease Bwian.
ROtFLMAO
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12955783/Tristan-Frank-Balgo-family-say-featherfoot-men-involved.html
The featherfoot men
wookiemeister said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12955783/Tristan-Frank-Balgo-family-say-featherfoot-men-involved.htmlThe featherfoot men
It has to be true because I read it in the daily mail.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12955783/Tristan-Frank-Balgo-family-say-featherfoot-men-involved.htmlThe featherfoot men
It has to be true because I read it in the daily mail.
Kadiatcha man
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12955783/Tristan-Frank-Balgo-family-say-featherfoot-men-involved.htmlThe featherfoot men
It has to be true because I read it in the daily mail.
Even picnic at hanging Rock has echoes of real events
wookiemeister said:
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12955783/Tristan-Frank-Balgo-family-say-featherfoot-men-involved.htmlThe featherfoot men
It has to be true because I read it in the daily mail.
The locals would have suffered ongoing disappearances and experiences to put that theory out. Aboriginal folklore. As I’ve mentioned before, the Aboriginal bloke that disappeared after taking a few steps off the dirt road on the way to mapoon. The magic man, the green beam, the diba worri.
There are tales of Kadiatcha man/men who painted their feet with blood and stuck emu feathers to them so that they could leave no footprints.
wookiemeister said:
Even picnic at hanging Rock has echoes of real events
Just about every rock in this land has been tripped over by someone by now.