Date: 11/01/2024 17:32:13
From: buffy
ID: 2113218
Subject: Australian politics - January 2024
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-11/woolworths-big-w-shops-australia-day-merch-sales-decision/103309612
Apparently Mr Dutton thinks Woolies are making a wrong move. And yet…he is of the party of free marketers. And I’m pretty certain that while there might be a bit of reputation care involved here, the biggest factor would be if they can sell the stuff or get lumbered with having to put it back into storage for next year. You sell what the market will buy.
Date: 11/01/2024 17:33:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113219
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-11/woolworths-big-w-shops-australia-day-merch-sales-decision/103309612
Apparently Mr Dutton thinks Woolies are making a wrong move. And yet…he is of the party of free marketers. And I’m pretty certain that while there might be a bit of reputation care involved here, the biggest factor would be if they can sell the stuff or get lumbered with having to put it back into storage for next year. You sell what the market will buy.
Yep.
Date: 11/01/2024 18:07:45
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2113236
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Maybe ASIO can bring back more ISIS brides to Australia to celebrate cosmopolitan Australia ? It would steal the thunder of the labor party releasing hundreds of foreign rapists, murderers from detention into the cities.
Date: 11/01/2024 18:34:05
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2113270
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Not only does it cost Australians more to feed fuel-thirsty cars such as SUVs and utes, but it comes at a notable cost to the environment, drivers of smaller cars and pedestrians.
‘Both pedestrians and those driving smaller cars are more likely to suffer serious and fatal injuries when they’re involved in a collision with a heavier vehicle.
‘And the race to get our emissions down is suffering as more Australians choose giant cars.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12948773/Ute-SUV-tax-Ford-Isuzu-Toyota-electric-cars.html
Australian government brings in 1.5 million new arrivals to get Australia’s “emissions” down
You’d think the 100+ IQ ones would twig they were being lied to by now.
Date: 12/01/2024 11:26:14
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2113495
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Who cares what Mr Dutton thinks.
I wrote him off as someone to vote for, decades ago.
Date: 12/01/2024 11:30:43
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2113499
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
mollwollfumble said:
Who cares what Mr Dutton thinks.
I wrote him off as someone to vote for, decades ago.
He’s a real POS.

Date: 12/01/2024 11:53:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113504
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
mollwollfumble said:
Who cares what Mr Dutton thinks.
I wrote him off as someone to vote for, decades ago.
I wrote him on as someone not to vote for from the first time I saw him in action.
Date: 12/01/2024 11:57:26
From: buffy
ID: 2113506
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-12/woman-bitten-on-the-hand-by-snake-while-sleeping/103312380
Looks like the first aid works.
Date: 12/01/2024 12:49:32
From: OCDC
ID: 2113540
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 12/01/2024 12:50:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2113544
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:

Brilliant!
:)
Date: 12/01/2024 12:52:30
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2113546
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
OCDC said:

Brilliant!
:)
It’s a good one.
Date: 12/01/2024 12:53:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113547
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
OCDC said:

Brilliant!
:)
It’s a good one.
Top notch. He’s really really cross with Woolworths and Coles.
Date: 12/01/2024 12:54:52
From: Tamb
ID: 2113548
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
OCDC said:

Brilliant!
:)
It’s a good one.
Error. Cross but not hot.
Date: 12/01/2024 12:57:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113551
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
Brilliant!
:)
It’s a good one.
Error. Cross but not hot.
Hot under the collar.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:20:50
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2113597
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

Date: 12/01/2024 15:21:46
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2113598
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
Date: 12/01/2024 15:28:03
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2113601
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
She’s no Camilla I’ll grant you that.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:29:47
From: OCDC
ID: 2113602
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024

“No whinging, no ‘let’s change the date’, no shops refusing to sell merchandise. Just the simple joy of flags, choreographed dancing and mass enforced participation”. Read the full article 👉 http://tinyurl.com/mtehx9sm
Date: 12/01/2024 15:30:37
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2113603
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
She’s no Camilla I’ll grant you that.
There is a lady sweet and kind,
Was never face so pleas’d my mind;
I did but see her passing by,
And yet I love her till I die.
Her gesture, motion, and her smiles,
Her wit, her voice, my heart beguiles,
Beguiles my heart, I know not why,
And yet I love her till I die.
Her free behaviour, winning looks,
Will make a lawyer burn his books;
I touch’d her not, alas! not I,
And yet I love her till I die.
Had I her fast betwixt mine arms,
Judge you that think such sports were harms,
Were’t any harm? no, no, fie, fie,
For I will love her till I die.
Should I remain confined there
So long as Phoebus in his sphere,
I to request, she to deny,
Yet would I love her till I die.
Cupid is winged and doth range,
Her country so my love doth change:
But change she earth, or change she sky,
Yet will I love her till I die.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:32:03
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2113605
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
“No whinging, no ‘let’s change the date’, no shops refusing to sell merchandise. Just the simple joy of flags, choreographed dancing and mass enforced participation”. Read the full article 👉 http://tinyurl.com/mtehx9sm
and really good covers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYvcdhCbzJw
Link
Date: 12/01/2024 15:32:27
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2113606
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
She’s no Camilla I’ll grant you that.
A while back, there were rumours (possibly started by disgruntled friends/ex-friends) that Mary had a well-planned campaign all set out from way back to bag herself a marriage into the European ‘aristocracy’, and that Fred was the chosen target.
Not to say that they aren’t entirely happy together, or that she isn’t doing a grand job as a royal, but it it’s been suggested the it wasn’t exactly the Cinderella story, either.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:34:36
From: Michael V
ID: 2113610
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
“No whinging, no ‘let’s change the date’, no shops refusing to sell merchandise. Just the simple joy of flags, choreographed dancing and mass enforced participation”. Read the full article 👉 http://tinyurl.com/mtehx9sm
:)
Date: 12/01/2024 15:37:26
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113611
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
Can we join the EU now?
Date: 12/01/2024 15:39:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2113612
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
Can we join the EU now?
and become a legit eurovision song contestant?
Date: 12/01/2024 15:39:58
From: OCDC
ID: 2113613
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
OCDC said:
“No whinging, no ‘let’s change the date’, no shops refusing to sell merchandise. Just the simple joy of flags, choreographed dancing and mass enforced participation”. Read the full article 👉 http://tinyurl.com/mtehx9sm
and really good covers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYvcdhCbzJw
Link
lolz
Date: 12/01/2024 15:40:40
From: OCDC
ID: 2113614
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:JudgeMental said:#notmyqueen
Can we join the EU now?
and become a legit eurovision song contestant?
A boy from Frangers has already won it.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:42:15
From: dv
ID: 2113615
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
Can we join the EU now?
Ha
Date: 12/01/2024 15:42:22
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2113616
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
JudgeMental said:The Rev Dodgson said:Can we join the EU now?
and become a legit eurovision song contestant?
A boy from Frangers has already won it.
Frangers is/was a name for condoms.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:47:53
From: OCDC
ID: 2113618
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
OCDC said:JudgeMental said:and become a legit eurovision song contestant?
A boy from Frangers has already won it.
Frangers is/was a name for condoms.
TIL.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:50:27
From: kii
ID: 2113619
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
Jeremy Rockliff
19 h ·
It’s not every day that a Tasmanian becomes a Queen.
So on Sunday night, we’ll be lighting the Tasman Bridge red and white to celebrate our very own Princess Mary, as she becomes Queen of Denmark ❤️🤍

#notmyqueen
She’s no Camilla I’ll grant you that.
Thank fuck for that.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:53:10
From: kii
ID: 2113621
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
JudgeMental said:OCDC said:A boy from Frangers has already won it.
Frangers is/was a name for condoms.
TIL.
Wow…you really are young. Do you know what “getting off before Redfern “ means?
Date: 12/01/2024 15:56:28
From: OCDC
ID: 2113628
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:
OCDC said:JudgeMental said:Frangers is/was a name for condoms.
TIL.
Wow…you really are young. Do you know what “getting off before Redfern “ means?
That one I do know.
Date: 12/01/2024 15:58:44
From: dv
ID: 2113630
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
It is just an alteration of Frenchy, which is in turn from French Letter.
Date: 12/01/2024 16:23:44
From: buffy
ID: 2113640
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
JudgeMental said:OCDC said:A boy from Frangers has already won it.
Frangers is/was a name for condoms.
TIL.
Really, you didn’t know that? I must be old.
Date: 12/01/2024 16:25:12
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2113642
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Couldn’t help myself.

Date: 12/01/2024 16:25:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113643
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
OCDC said:
JudgeMental said:Frangers is/was a name for condoms.
TIL.
Really, you didn’t know that? I must be old.
It probably hasn’t been used for decades.
I believe it was a shortening of French Letter.
Date: 12/01/2024 16:28:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2113645
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t help myself.

so instead of a great island it’ll be a woppa?
Date: 12/01/2024 16:31:02
From: Michael V
ID: 2113647
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t help myself.

LOLOLOL
Date: 12/01/2024 16:53:16
From: Cymek
ID: 2113648
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t help myself.

We have a Bill on here don’t we, some ex choppa pilot from Nam
Date: 12/01/2024 16:53:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113649
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
Spiny Norman said:
Couldn’t help myself.

LOLOLOL
I seem to recognize the commenter. ;)
Date: 12/01/2024 17:01:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2113653
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
It is just an alteration of Frenchy, which is in turn from French Letter.
Rubber Johnny.

Date: 13/01/2024 09:43:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113815
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
DV needs to update his index :)
Today my old fashioned news media platform informed me that the ABC had sacked a radio journalist because she had posted a link on Instagram to a report by Human Rights Watch, critical of Israel.
Bloody lefties at it again.
Date: 13/01/2024 09:45:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 2113816
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
DV needs to update his index :)
Today my old fashioned news media platform informed me that the ABC had sacked a radio journalist because she had posted a link on Instagram to a report by Human Rights Watch, critical of Israel.
Bloody lefties at it again.
Someone has to do it.
Date: 13/01/2024 09:58:58
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2113819
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
DV needs to update his index :)
Today my old fashioned news media platform informed me that the ABC had sacked a radio journalist because she had posted a link on Instagram to a report by Human Rights Watch, critical of Israel.
Bloody lefties at it again.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/dec/22/antoinette-lattouf-files-unlawful-termination-claim-over-losing-abc-radio-role-after-israel-gaza-social-media-posts
Link
Date: 13/01/2024 10:07:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2113828
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
DV needs to update his index :)
Today my old fashioned news media platform informed me that the ABC had sacked a radio journalist because she had posted a link on Instagram to a report by Human Rights Watch, critical of Israel.
Bloody lefties at it again.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/dec/22/antoinette-lattouf-files-unlawful-termination-claim-over-losing-abc-radio-role-after-israel-gaza-social-media-posts
Link
Thanks. The SMH article I read is on-line, but subscribers only.
Date: 14/01/2024 16:58:37
From: dv
ID: 2114376
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024

Lol
Date: 14/01/2024 23:43:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2114481
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Dutton the hypocrite | Scam of the Week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfA9cfnOn1o
Date: 15/01/2024 10:20:39
From: Michael V
ID: 2114544
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Dutton’s dog-whistling has brought out the Nazis:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/qld-graffiti-woolworths-australia-day-boycott-peter-dutton/103319654
Date: 15/01/2024 10:36:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2114550
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
Dutton’s dog-whistling has brought out the Nazis:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/qld-graffiti-woolworths-australia-day-boycott-peter-dutton/103319654
I posted a Michael West youtube yesterday that compared Dutton’s dog whistling about Aus day to his stance about dog whistling during the gay marriage vote times.
Date: 15/01/2024 10:58:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114567
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
Dutton’s dog-whistling has brought out the Nazis:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/qld-graffiti-woolworths-australia-day-boycott-peter-dutton/103319654
Typical.
Date: 15/01/2024 10:59:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114571
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
Michael V said:
Dutton’s dog-whistling has brought out the Nazis:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/qld-graffiti-woolworths-australia-day-boycott-peter-dutton/103319654
I posted a Michael West youtube yesterday that compared Dutton’s dog whistling about Aus day to his stance about dog whistling during the gay marriage vote times.
I did watched that.
Date: 15/01/2024 22:08:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2114842
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
This new support takes Australia’s overall assistance to Ukraine to approximately $910 million, including the provision of Bushmaster protected mobility vehicles, heavy artillery, critical ammunition and contributions to the Ukraine Humanitarian Fund.25 Oct 2023
Date: 16/01/2024 23:14:07
From: dv
ID: 2115204
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Current polling averages out of Pollbludger show ALP ahead 51.5 -48.5
Date: 16/01/2024 23:20:34
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2115206
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Current polling averages out of Pollbludger show ALP ahead 51.5 -48.5
Should be better considering everyone hates dutton. Still Murdoch has been banging on about how shit Albanese is.
Date: 16/01/2024 23:23:18
From: dv
ID: 2115207
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Current polling averages out of Pollbludger show ALP ahead 51.5 -48.5
Should be better considering everyone hates dutton. Still Murdoch has been banging on about how shit Albanese is.
Dutton’s numbers are up, averaging 34.5% as preferred Prime Minister.
Date: 16/01/2024 23:25:49
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2115208
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Current polling averages out of Pollbludger show ALP ahead 51.5 -48.5
Should be better considering everyone hates dutton. Still Murdoch has been banging on about how shit Albanese is.
Dutton’s numbers are up, averaging 34.5% as preferred Prime Minister.
sigh.
Date: 17/01/2024 23:35:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2115579
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
https://www.facebook.com/reel/7243905838989227
Date: 17/01/2024 23:39:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2115584
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/7243905838989227
Too true.
Date: 18/01/2024 14:29:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2115776
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Inside the Housing Crisis | The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuL4_XkD-4o
Date: 18/01/2024 16:37:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2115809
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 19/01/2024 16:34:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2116126
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
19 January 2024
Lambie brand recognition not enough to elect no-name candidates
Jacqui Lambie is popular with Tasmanians, but her name will not be on ballot papers in the next state election.
In response to public opinion polls, political leaders will offer to media the cliche that the only poll that matters is the one on election day.
No doubt – it is the only one that can be 100 per cent accurate too.
Regular EMRS poll results, and others with credible prompting questions and sample sizes, provide a good pulse reading for political parties and leaders and offer a sense of soberness in times of political drama, real or contrived as it might be.
The most recent public opinion poll on Tasmanian politics, released by YouGov, showed more voters supported the Liberal over Labor, but combined, more voters supported the Greens and Jacqui Lambie Network than the major parties.
In fact, if a state election result accurately reflected the poll results, the JLN would win 20 per cent of the vote and hold seven seats in the House of Assembly.
You only have to look at federal elections and those in other states to see that this would be highly unlikely.
First of all, support for minor parties and independents in elections tend to dive on election days, despite any pre-election hype and generous poll results about them.
A recent anomaly, however, is the last federal election and the resurgence of the so-called teal independents, supported largely by disaffected Liberal voters.
Second is brand and name recognition.
The JLN’s success in getting a second seat in the Senate has a lot to do with the Senate ballot paper’s presentation.
People vote for the party above the line or get their kicks numbering candidates below the line.
The JLN received 24,418 above-the-line votes in 2022, but key candidate Tammy Tyrrell received just over 5000 individual votes.
That’s a commendable effort for a first-time candidate, no doubt, but she was greatly assisted by the pulling power of her boss.
It was the Lambie name recognition that would have assisted Ms Tyrrell far more than her own.
When voters go to the ballot for the next state election, it will be the candidates name upfront and in bold on the ballot sheet, not the party.
It’s early days of course, but most would struggle to even name an announced JLN candidate at this stage.
And those that have been announced simply have no profile at all which is essential when battling incumbents at the very least.
That’s not to say that one of the party’s candidates will not win a seat at all, whoever they might be.
The JLN ran candidates in three electorates in the 2018 election as a bit of a test drive and won 4.59 per cent of the Bass vote, 5.9 per cent of the Braddon vote and 5.4 per cent of the Lyons vote.
With a reduced quota needed for an election this time around in the expanded 35-seat lower house, this would roughly translate to perhaps two or three candidates getting over the line.
The JLN is yet to reveal its full suite of candidates with Bass and Braddon players likely to be announced over the next few weeks.
To get anywhere near closer to what the YouGov poll has predicted, there needs to be recognisable names in the mix.
Date: 19/01/2024 16:35:55
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2116128
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
19 January 2024
Lambie brand recognition not enough to elect no-name candidates
Jacqui Lambie is popular with Tasmanians, but her name will not be on ballot papers in the next state election.
In response to public opinion polls, political leaders will offer to media the cliche that the only poll that matters is the one on election day.
No doubt – it is the only one that can be 100 per cent accurate too.
Regular EMRS poll results, and others with credible prompting questions and sample sizes, provide a good pulse reading for political parties and leaders and offer a sense of soberness in times of political drama, real or contrived as it might be.
The most recent public opinion poll on Tasmanian politics, released by YouGov, showed more voters supported the Liberal over Labor, but combined, more voters supported the Greens and Jacqui Lambie Network than the major parties.
In fact, if a state election result accurately reflected the poll results, the JLN would win 20 per cent of the vote and hold seven seats in the House of Assembly.
You only have to look at federal elections and those in other states to see that this would be highly unlikely.
First of all, support for minor parties and independents in elections tend to dive on election days, despite any pre-election hype and generous poll results about them.
A recent anomaly, however, is the last federal election and the resurgence of the so-called teal independents, supported largely by disaffected Liberal voters.
Second is brand and name recognition.
The JLN’s success in getting a second seat in the Senate has a lot to do with the Senate ballot paper’s presentation.
People vote for the party above the line or get their kicks numbering candidates below the line.
The JLN received 24,418 above-the-line votes in 2022, but key candidate Tammy Tyrrell received just over 5000 individual votes.
That’s a commendable effort for a first-time candidate, no doubt, but she was greatly assisted by the pulling power of her boss.
It was the Lambie name recognition that would have assisted Ms Tyrrell far more than her own.
When voters go to the ballot for the next state election, it will be the candidates name upfront and in bold on the ballot sheet, not the party.
It’s early days of course, but most would struggle to even name an announced JLN candidate at this stage.
And those that have been announced simply have no profile at all which is essential when battling incumbents at the very least.
That’s not to say that one of the party’s candidates will not win a seat at all, whoever they might be.
The JLN ran candidates in three electorates in the 2018 election as a bit of a test drive and won 4.59 per cent of the Bass vote, 5.9 per cent of the Braddon vote and 5.4 per cent of the Lyons vote.
With a reduced quota needed for an election this time around in the expanded 35-seat lower house, this would roughly translate to perhaps two or three candidates getting over the line.
The JLN is yet to reveal its full suite of candidates with Bass and Braddon players likely to be announced over the next few weeks.
To get anywhere near closer to what the YouGov poll has predicted, there needs to be recognisable names in the mix.
Examiner.
Date: 19/01/2024 16:36:26
From: dv
ID: 2116129
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
19 January 2024
Lambie brand recognition not enough to elect no-name candidates
Jacqui Lambie is popular with Tasmanians, but her name will not be on ballot papers in the next state election.
In response to public opinion polls, political leaders will offer to media the cliche that the only poll that matters is the one on election day.
No doubt – it is the only one that can be 100 per cent accurate too.
Regular EMRS poll results, and others with credible prompting questions and sample sizes, provide a good pulse reading for political parties and leaders and offer a sense of soberness in times of political drama, real or contrived as it might be.
The most recent public opinion poll on Tasmanian politics, released by YouGov, showed more voters supported the Liberal over Labor, but combined, more voters supported the Greens and Jacqui Lambie Network than the major parties.
In fact, if a state election result accurately reflected the poll results, the JLN would win 20 per cent of the vote and hold seven seats in the House of Assembly.
You only have to look at federal elections and those in other states to see that this would be highly unlikely.
First of all, support for minor parties and independents in elections tend to dive on election days, despite any pre-election hype and generous poll results about them.
A recent anomaly, however, is the last federal election and the resurgence of the so-called teal independents, supported largely by disaffected Liberal voters.
Second is brand and name recognition.
The JLN’s success in getting a second seat in the Senate has a lot to do with the Senate ballot paper’s presentation.
People vote for the party above the line or get their kicks numbering candidates below the line.
The JLN received 24,418 above-the-line votes in 2022, but key candidate Tammy Tyrrell received just over 5000 individual votes.
That’s a commendable effort for a first-time candidate, no doubt, but she was greatly assisted by the pulling power of her boss.
It was the Lambie name recognition that would have assisted Ms Tyrrell far more than her own.
When voters go to the ballot for the next state election, it will be the candidates name upfront and in bold on the ballot sheet, not the party.
It’s early days of course, but most would struggle to even name an announced JLN candidate at this stage.
And those that have been announced simply have no profile at all which is essential when battling incumbents at the very least.
That’s not to say that one of the party’s candidates will not win a seat at all, whoever they might be.
The JLN ran candidates in three electorates in the 2018 election as a bit of a test drive and won 4.59 per cent of the Bass vote, 5.9 per cent of the Braddon vote and 5.4 per cent of the Lyons vote.
With a reduced quota needed for an election this time around in the expanded 35-seat lower house, this would roughly translate to perhaps two or three candidates getting over the line.
The JLN is yet to reveal its full suite of candidates with Bass and Braddon players likely to be announced over the next few weeks.
To get anywhere near closer to what the YouGov poll has predicted, there needs to be recognisable names in the mix.
Seems a bold prediction
Date: 19/01/2024 23:51:55
From: dv
ID: 2116261
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 20/01/2024 00:00:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2116264
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/2116239/
Link
Date: 20/01/2024 00:04:46
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2116269
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:

Wondering what kind of demographic research these people rely on, if any. You’d think the data would tell them clearly that backing Straya Day is bound to be a loser’s game in the end.
Date: 20/01/2024 17:29:19
From: buffy
ID: 2116431
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Aksherly, I reckon they need to discuss the Stage 3 tax cuts so they are all on the same page when they announce a change to that idea.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-20/albanese-calls-labor-caucus-early-cost-of-living-crisis/103371804
Date: 20/01/2024 17:33:37
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116434
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
“The federal government orders a live export ship carrying thousands of Australian sheep and cattle to turn back after it was diverted due to the deteriorating security situation in the Middle East.
Date: 20/01/2024 17:34:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116435
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 20/01/2024 17:35:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2116436
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
·
20 January 2024
Tasmania’s Integrity Commission chief Michael Easton has quit sparking political stoush
Sue Bailey
Integrity Commission, CEO Michael Easton. Picture: Chris Kidd
The CEO of Tasmania’s Integrity Commission, Michael Easton, has quit sparking a political stoush.
His job was advertised on Saturday with Labor accusing the government of being secretive about his departure.
Mr Easton joined the Integrity Commission as director of operations in 2015, was acting CEO until 2017 and took on the top job in 2020.
It is believed he will step down at the end of April and applications for the position, which has a starting salary of $209,001, close on February 9.
Labor leader Rebecca White said the government had demonstrated “integrity is not high on its priorities list” in failing to tell Tasmanians that it is without a head of agency for the Integrity Commission.
“It is highly unusual for no statement to be made about this important position and for Tasmanians to find out through a job ad that the government is recruiting for this role,” she said.
“The government is known for being secretive and integrity has never been high on its priority list.
“Being honest and transparent is almost like an afterthought for them.”
Ms White said Premier Jeremy Rockliff must explain the circumstances around the vacancy and why the CEO had decided to leave.
A government spokesperson said members of Parliament’s Joint Standing Committee on Integrity were advised of the resignation, including Labor committee member Michelle O’Byrne.
“The Labor Party are experts in spreading misinformation and as usual, Rebecca White has got it wrong,” he said.
“The position is not vacant. Michael Easton remains in the position while a recruitment process takes place.”
The CEO is responsible to the board for the general administration, management and operations of the Integrity Commission which last year dealt with a near record number of complaints.
In the annual report tabled in state parliament last year, Mr Easton said this year “represents a critical juncture in our continuing development” with an added workload from the lobbyists’ register.
“In order to continue delivering strong outcomes consistent with what parliament expected of us, it will be critical that we are adequately resourced into the future,” he wrote.
“This includes our education activities, but also relates to our need to properly investigate misconduct and oversight how public authorities deal with misconduct.
“We also have additional administrative and compliance needs through management of the Tasmanian Government Lobbying Code of Conduct, and Lobbyists’ Register.
“The next year represents a critical juncture in our continuing development, allowing us to build on our experience to date, and to continue to take a proactive and collaborative approach to enhancing ethical conduct and preventing misconduct across the Tasmanian public sector.”
Date: 20/01/2024 17:40:09
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2116446
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 20/01/2024 17:42:31
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116448
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 20/01/2024 23:14:17
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2116493
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
RALLY SATURDAY 27 January 2024
Rosie Crumpton-Crook
President
Writes on Behalf of,
Neill-Fraser Support Group Inc
“A reminder that we have our rally a week today – Saturday 27 January, in the Parliamentary Gardens Hobart (11am – 1pm).
This is to mark 15 years since Bob Chappell disappeared. Please save the date and come along.
We have some great speakers lined up, 3 of whom have not spoken at our rallies previously:
SYDNE KETCHAM is the mother of Sue’s first husband. Fifteen years down the track, the rumours that Sue murdered her first husband are still circulating in Hobart, so let’s hope the media report on what Sydne has to say.
THE REVEREND JOHN LANGLOIS is an active member of the support group and a long time supporter of Sue. He will be talking about why he became a supporter and what he believes needs to happen with Sue’s case.
PETER LAVAC is a high profile, criminal defence barrister from New South Wales, who has also practised in Hong Kong as both a crown prosecutor and criminal defence barrister.
Peter has been involved with another Tasmanian case, which has been in the news a great deal recently, that of Eden Westbrook. Eden died in 2015 and the Tasmanian Coroner ruled that she had taken her own life, but her family believes that this was not the case. A podcast about the case called The Garden of Eden has had millions of downloads.
For the last few years, Peter, who features in the podcast, has been working pro bono for Eden’s family who want an independent inquiry into the case. Peter has identified a number of similarities between Eden and Sue’s cases and he will talk about this at the Rally.
Thank you to all speakers who have generously given their time.
Finally, I am delighted to announce that Sue Neill-Fraser will be at the Rally, so even more reason for you to come along!
Please make every effort to attend – as I have said many times before, we must keep the pressure on the Tasmanian Government.”
Date: 21/01/2024 01:31:13
From: dv
ID: 2116506
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Truncated data
I saw an X headline in my feed that said
Linda Reynolds has asked the French government for assistance in freezing Brittany
clicked on it and it said
Linda Reynolds has asked the French government for assistance in freezing Brittany Higgins’ assets in France
Date: 21/01/2024 04:17:04
From: kii
ID: 2116514
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
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I saw an X headline in my feed that said
Linda Reynolds has asked the French government for assistance in freezing Brittany
clicked on it and it said
Linda Reynolds has asked the French government for assistance in freezing Brittany Higgins’ assets in France
This is evil. Both freezing Brittany and freezing Brittany Higgins’ assets.
Date: 21/01/2024 08:09:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2116525
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Truncated data
I saw an X headline in my feed that said
Linda Reynolds has asked the French government for assistance in freezing Brittany
clicked on it and it said
Linda Reynolds has asked the French government for assistance in freezing Brittany Higgins’ assets in France
Seems she’s trying to make Dutton look good.
Date: 23/01/2024 02:29:07
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2116997
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Good article.
Pretend Australia Day patriotism is a scoundrel’s refuge. Here’s a solution
By Tony Wright – associate editor and special writer for The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/pretend-australia-day-patriotism-is-a-scoundrel-s-refuge-here-s-a-solution-20240118-p5eya2.html
Link
As we slouch through this uncertain summer towards another Australia Day, it’s a fair bet we’ll hear much about patriotism, or the various branches of it.
Patriotism, just about everyone with a weary view of the sentiment and a taste for wry maxims agrees, is the last refuge of the scoundrel. But hold on there.
Was that really what the old wordsmith Samuel Johnson meant – or even precisely what he said – when he gave us this famous and lasting judgment in 1775?
Dr Oliver Tearle, a lecturer in English at Loughborough University in England, has put the matter to the scholarly test for his online library entitled Interesting Literature, which he presents, modestly, as “all that is most interesting and captivating about literature”.
Searle finds that Johnson’s statement about patriotism and scoundrels has been much misunderstood.
He goes to Johnson’s contemporary and biographer, James Boswell, for the origin of the quote.
“Patriotism having become one of our topicks (sic),” Boswell wrote of a discussion with Johnson on the evening of April 7, 1775, “Johnson suddenly uttered, in a strong determined tone, an apophthegm, at which many will start: ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’.
“But let it be considered,” Boswell continued, “That he did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”
In fact, Searle writes, Johnson had published a year earlier a short lecture called The Patriot, in which he declared his admiration for true patriotism.
“A patriot is he whose publick (sic) conduct is regulated by one single motive, the love of his country; who, as an agent in parliament, has, for himself, neither hope nor fear, neither kindness nor resentment, but refers every thing to the common interest,” Johnson wrote.
That doesn’t sound very scoundrel-ish.
Johnson, however – a poet, playwright, editor, sermonist and essayist, and much else – was more sophisticated in his use of words than most. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography calls him “arguably the most distinguished man of letters in English history”.
He was also a man unimpressed by those he considered political frauds.
There was, at the time he made his famous statement, a political offshoot of The Whigs in England called The Patriot Party, which became a movement simply known as The Patriots before it fizzled out in 1805.
Prominent among The Patriots was William Pitt the Elder, who would later become a Whig prime minister. Johnson, a Tory opposed to the Whigs, apparently wanted to take Pitt and his supporters down a peg or two.
Thus, when he said “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” – not the scoundrel – Earle contends Johnson was referring to what he considered Pitt’s false use of the term ‘patriot’. It was a political sledging, rather than a denunciation of patriotism in general.
Centuries later, it remains useful to go back to Boswell’s explanation of his discussion with Johnson about patriotism: “He did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”
Pretended patriotism as the cloak of a self-interested scoundrel is, thus, a timeless refuge.
The recent confected outrage over a supermarket deciding to discontinue its sales of Australia Day-themed merchandise serves to underline it.
Woolworths did not publicly mention its approach until a TV reporter asked about it. Only then did it issue a short statement citing a gradual decline in demand over recent years for such merchandise, adding that “there’s been broader discussion about January 26 and what it means to different parts of the community”.
Those last, self-evident words were enough to spark a new and furious outbreak of what has become known in recent years as the culture wars.
It was as if, somehow, Woolworths had trashed Australia Day and all it stood for, even though it still sold the most desirable ingredients for an Australia Day celebration: sausages and chops.
The retailer was suddenly branded ‘woke’ and unpatriotic and worse by shock jocks and conservative letter-writers. Pauline Hanson – surprise, surprise – and, yes, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, piled on.
Dutton’s call for shoppers to boycott Woolworths – a giant business with a branch in just about any town of note, with 200,000 employees across the nation serving millions of customers every week – remains one of the more astonishing interventions by an opposition leader in Australian political history.
He is, after all, a man who wants to lead Australia one day.
He’d cloaked himself in patriotism. A classicist might very nearly wonder whether he had any actual clothes beneath.
When a Woolworths store in Brisbane came under attack a couple of days later from a vandal or vandals, it was hard to ignore that this culture war was revving fast out of hand.
Someone sprayed a bogan poem on the store’s exterior, leaving no one in doubt it was about Australia Day: “26 Jan Aussie Oi Oi Woolies f— u”. CCTV captured a scoundrel in combat gear setting off a flare inside the business. Happily, firefighters extinguished it.
Aldi and Kmart, which took the same approach to Woolworths in banishing Australia Day tat, somehow escaped the opprobrium, though Hanson tried to rope in Bunnings because she’d heard that some employee had claimed to have been told not to wear Australia Day paraphernalia to work.
How could it have come to this?
Having written a sketch for this masthead suggesting Dutton’s call for a Woolies boycott turned on its head his previous opposition to cancel culture, letter writers soon put me to rights.
Read the room, some of them advised. Don’t you understand the Voice was defeated?
In short, the latest convulsion over Australia Day has somehow become linked in some so-called patriots’ minds to the recent referendum over giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders a constitutionally enshrined Voice to parliament – a referendum that failed after Dutton and his colleagues, among others, damned it as divisive.
The January 26 date of Australia Day has, of course, been branded as divisive, too, by other Australians.
The date derives from the arrival of the First Fleet in Port Jackson (Sydney Harbour) in 1788, when Captain Arthur Phillip rowed ashore and planted the British flag, declaring he was taking possession in the name of King George III – despite Captain James Cook having already claimed the entire east coast almost 18 years previously.
It was the beginning of colonial Australia, without any consent by the land’s original inhabitants, the First Nations. (The arrival process was not complete until February 6 when the female convicts from the fleet came ashore, at which point Arthur Bowes Smyth, the ship’s surgeon, confided to his journal that “it is beyond my abilities to give a just description of the scene of debauchery and riot that ensued during the night”.)
It is this, then, that must be defended at all costs by the most strident of those who have hammered their loyalty to the Australia Day mast.
And yet, since 1938, when Aboriginal leader William Cooper led a day of mourning, January 26 has been contested by First Nations people and their growing numbers of supporters as Invasion Day.
The patriotically offended, then – or at least some of them – are propping up their adherence to the date by citing that they have won now because the Voice was defeated.
Where is Samuel Johnson when he is needed?
Others, more cogently, have argued in their emails to me that it is a matter of pride in Australia – patriotism, in short – that we should adhere to a January 26 Australia Day.
“Being proud to be Australian is important,” wrote one. “Being proud to support our national day is nothing to be embarrassed about and should be encouraged. If you don’t think we should be proud to be Australian, then what do you think we should be proud of? What do you think binds us together if it is not pride in our country?”
Another way of looking at it is that it is possible to have pride in one’s country without necessarily agreeing that a date that is contested by an increasingly significant proportion of that country’s population, including its original inhabitants, may no longer be altogether suitable as a national day, if it ever was.
Should we ever choose to search for another day that might bind us all to our country, may I suggest September 1, the start of spring and the date we celebrate our national floral emblem, the wattle, whose golden bloom heralds new life every year?
Could anyone but a scoundrel be offended at such a straightforward symbol of love of country? There’d be no need for self-interest or pretense about it, surely.
……………….
Date: 23/01/2024 02:55:40
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117001
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
AussieDJ said:
Good article.
Pretend Australia Day patriotism is a scoundrel’s refuge. Here’s a solution
By Tony Wright – associate editor and special writer for The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/pretend-australia-day-patriotism-is-a-scoundrel-s-refuge-here-s-a-solution-20240118-p5eya2.html
Link
As we slouch through this uncertain summer towards another Australia Day, it’s a fair bet we’ll hear much about patriotism, or the various branches of it.
Patriotism, just about everyone with a weary view of the sentiment and a taste for wry maxims agrees, is the last refuge of the scoundrel. But hold on there.
Was that really what the old wordsmith Samuel Johnson meant – or even precisely what he said – when he gave us this famous and lasting judgment in 1775?
Dr Oliver Tearle, a lecturer in English at Loughborough University in England, has put the matter to the scholarly test for his online library entitled Interesting Literature, which he presents, modestly, as “all that is most interesting and captivating about literature”.
Searle finds that Johnson’s statement about patriotism and scoundrels has been much misunderstood.
He goes to Johnson’s contemporary and biographer, James Boswell, for the origin of the quote.
“Patriotism having become one of our topicks (sic),” Boswell wrote of a discussion with Johnson on the evening of April 7, 1775, “Johnson suddenly uttered, in a strong determined tone, an apophthegm, at which many will start: ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’.
“But let it be considered,” Boswell continued, “That he did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”
In fact, Searle writes, Johnson had published a year earlier a short lecture called The Patriot, in which he declared his admiration for true patriotism.
“A patriot is he whose publick (sic) conduct is regulated by one single motive, the love of his country; who, as an agent in parliament, has, for himself, neither hope nor fear, neither kindness nor resentment, but refers every thing to the common interest,” Johnson wrote.
That doesn’t sound very scoundrel-ish.
Johnson, however – a poet, playwright, editor, sermonist and essayist, and much else – was more sophisticated in his use of words than most. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography calls him “arguably the most distinguished man of letters in English history”.
He was also a man unimpressed by those he considered political frauds.
There was, at the time he made his famous statement, a political offshoot of The Whigs in England called The Patriot Party, which became a movement simply known as The Patriots before it fizzled out in 1805.
Prominent among The Patriots was William Pitt the Elder, who would later become a Whig prime minister. Johnson, a Tory opposed to the Whigs, apparently wanted to take Pitt and his supporters down a peg or two.
Thus, when he said “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” – not the scoundrel – Earle contends Johnson was referring to what he considered Pitt’s false use of the term ‘patriot’. It was a political sledging, rather than a denunciation of patriotism in general.
Centuries later, it remains useful to go back to Boswell’s explanation of his discussion with Johnson about patriotism: “He did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”
Pretended patriotism as the cloak of a self-interested scoundrel is, thus, a timeless refuge.
The recent confected outrage over a supermarket deciding to discontinue its sales of Australia Day-themed merchandise serves to underline it.
Woolworths did not publicly mention its approach until a TV reporter asked about it. Only then did it issue a short statement citing a gradual decline in demand over recent years for such merchandise, adding that “there’s been broader discussion about January 26 and what it means to different parts of the community”.
Those last, self-evident words were enough to spark a new and furious outbreak of what has become known in recent years as the culture wars.
It was as if, somehow, Woolworths had trashed Australia Day and all it stood for, even though it still sold the most desirable ingredients for an Australia Day celebration: sausages and chops.
The retailer was suddenly branded ‘woke’ and unpatriotic and worse by shock jocks and conservative letter-writers. Pauline Hanson – surprise, surprise – and, yes, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, piled on.
Dutton’s call for shoppers to boycott Woolworths – a giant business with a branch in just about any town of note, with 200,000 employees across the nation serving millions of customers every week – remains one of the more astonishing interventions by an opposition leader in Australian political history.
He is, after all, a man who wants to lead Australia one day.
He’d cloaked himself in patriotism. A classicist might very nearly wonder whether he had any actual clothes beneath.
When a Woolworths store in Brisbane came under attack a couple of days later from a vandal or vandals, it was hard to ignore that this culture war was revving fast out of hand.
Someone sprayed a bogan poem on the store’s exterior, leaving no one in doubt it was about Australia Day: “26 Jan Aussie Oi Oi Woolies f— u”. CCTV captured a scoundrel in combat gear setting off a flare inside the business. Happily, firefighters extinguished it.
Aldi and Kmart, which took the same approach to Woolworths in banishing Australia Day tat, somehow escaped the opprobrium, though Hanson tried to rope in Bunnings because she’d heard that some employee had claimed to have been told not to wear Australia Day paraphernalia to work.
How could it have come to this?
Having written a sketch for this masthead suggesting Dutton’s call for a Woolies boycott turned on its head his previous opposition to cancel culture, letter writers soon put me to rights.
Read the room, some of them advised. Don’t you understand the Voice was defeated?
In short, the latest convulsion over Australia Day has somehow become linked in some so-called patriots’ minds to the recent referendum over giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders a constitutionally enshrined Voice to parliament – a referendum that failed after Dutton and his colleagues, among others, damned it as divisive.
The January 26 date of Australia Day has, of course, been branded as divisive, too, by other Australians.
The date derives from the arrival of the First Fleet in Port Jackson (Sydney Harbour) in 1788, when Captain Arthur Phillip rowed ashore and planted the British flag, declaring he was taking possession in the name of King George III – despite Captain James Cook having already claimed the entire east coast almost 18 years previously.
It was the beginning of colonial Australia, without any consent by the land’s original inhabitants, the First Nations. (The arrival process was not complete until February 6 when the female convicts from the fleet came ashore, at which point Arthur Bowes Smyth, the ship’s surgeon, confided to his journal that “it is beyond my abilities to give a just description of the scene of debauchery and riot that ensued during the night”.)
It is this, then, that must be defended at all costs by the most strident of those who have hammered their loyalty to the Australia Day mast.
And yet, since 1938, when Aboriginal leader William Cooper led a day of mourning, January 26 has been contested by First Nations people and their growing numbers of supporters as Invasion Day.
The patriotically offended, then – or at least some of them – are propping up their adherence to the date by citing that they have won now because the Voice was defeated.
Where is Samuel Johnson when he is needed?
Others, more cogently, have argued in their emails to me that it is a matter of pride in Australia – patriotism, in short – that we should adhere to a January 26 Australia Day.
“Being proud to be Australian is important,” wrote one. “Being proud to support our national day is nothing to be embarrassed about and should be encouraged. If you don’t think we should be proud to be Australian, then what do you think we should be proud of? What do you think binds us together if it is not pride in our country?”
Another way of looking at it is that it is possible to have pride in one’s country without necessarily agreeing that a date that is contested by an increasingly significant proportion of that country’s population, including its original inhabitants, may no longer be altogether suitable as a national day, if it ever was.
Should we ever choose to search for another day that might bind us all to our country, may I suggest September 1, the start of spring and the date we celebrate our national floral emblem, the wattle, whose golden bloom heralds new life every year?
Could anyone but a scoundrel be offended at such a straightforward symbol of love of country? There’d be no need for self-interest or pretense about it, surely.
……………….
It is a good article.
except the wattle day bit. Too much asthma.
Date: 23/01/2024 06:19:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117005
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
AussieDJ said:
Good article.
Pretend Australia Day patriotism is a scoundrel’s refuge. Here’s a solution
By Tony Wright – associate editor and special writer for The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/pretend-australia-day-patriotism-is-a-scoundrel-s-refuge-here-s-a-solution-20240118-p5eya2.html
Link
As we slouch through this uncertain summer towards another Australia Day, it’s a fair bet we’ll hear much about patriotism, or the various branches of it.
Patriotism, just about everyone with a weary view of the sentiment and a taste for wry maxims agrees, is the last refuge of the scoundrel. But hold on there.
Was that really what the old wordsmith Samuel Johnson meant – or even precisely what he said – when he gave us this famous and lasting judgment in 1775?
Dr Oliver Tearle, a lecturer in English at Loughborough University in England, has put the matter to the scholarly test for his online library entitled Interesting Literature, which he presents, modestly, as “all that is most interesting and captivating about literature”.
Searle finds that Johnson’s statement about patriotism and scoundrels has been much misunderstood.
He goes to Johnson’s contemporary and biographer, James Boswell, for the origin of the quote.
“Patriotism having become one of our topicks (sic),” Boswell wrote of a discussion with Johnson on the evening of April 7, 1775, “Johnson suddenly uttered, in a strong determined tone, an apophthegm, at which many will start: ‘Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel’.
“But let it be considered,” Boswell continued, “That he did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”
In fact, Searle writes, Johnson had published a year earlier a short lecture called The Patriot, in which he declared his admiration for true patriotism.
“A patriot is he whose publick (sic) conduct is regulated by one single motive, the love of his country; who, as an agent in parliament, has, for himself, neither hope nor fear, neither kindness nor resentment, but refers every thing to the common interest,” Johnson wrote.
That doesn’t sound very scoundrel-ish.
Johnson, however – a poet, playwright, editor, sermonist and essayist, and much else – was more sophisticated in his use of words than most. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography calls him “arguably the most distinguished man of letters in English history”.
He was also a man unimpressed by those he considered political frauds.
There was, at the time he made his famous statement, a political offshoot of The Whigs in England called The Patriot Party, which became a movement simply known as The Patriots before it fizzled out in 1805.
Prominent among The Patriots was William Pitt the Elder, who would later become a Whig prime minister. Johnson, a Tory opposed to the Whigs, apparently wanted to take Pitt and his supporters down a peg or two.
Thus, when he said “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” – not the scoundrel – Earle contends Johnson was referring to what he considered Pitt’s false use of the term ‘patriot’. It was a political sledging, rather than a denunciation of patriotism in general.
Centuries later, it remains useful to go back to Boswell’s explanation of his discussion with Johnson about patriotism: “He did not mean a real and generous love of our country, but that pretended patriotism which so many, in all ages and countries, have made a cloak for self-interest.”
Pretended patriotism as the cloak of a self-interested scoundrel is, thus, a timeless refuge.
The recent confected outrage over a supermarket deciding to discontinue its sales of Australia Day-themed merchandise serves to underline it.
Woolworths did not publicly mention its approach until a TV reporter asked about it. Only then did it issue a short statement citing a gradual decline in demand over recent years for such merchandise, adding that “there’s been broader discussion about January 26 and what it means to different parts of the community”.
Those last, self-evident words were enough to spark a new and furious outbreak of what has become known in recent years as the culture wars.
It was as if, somehow, Woolworths had trashed Australia Day and all it stood for, even though it still sold the most desirable ingredients for an Australia Day celebration: sausages and chops.
The retailer was suddenly branded ‘woke’ and unpatriotic and worse by shock jocks and conservative letter-writers. Pauline Hanson – surprise, surprise – and, yes, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton, piled on.
Dutton’s call for shoppers to boycott Woolworths – a giant business with a branch in just about any town of note, with 200,000 employees across the nation serving millions of customers every week – remains one of the more astonishing interventions by an opposition leader in Australian political history.
He is, after all, a man who wants to lead Australia one day.
He’d cloaked himself in patriotism. A classicist might very nearly wonder whether he had any actual clothes beneath.
When a Woolworths store in Brisbane came under attack a couple of days later from a vandal or vandals, it was hard to ignore that this culture war was revving fast out of hand.
Someone sprayed a bogan poem on the store’s exterior, leaving no one in doubt it was about Australia Day: “26 Jan Aussie Oi Oi Woolies f— u”. CCTV captured a scoundrel in combat gear setting off a flare inside the business. Happily, firefighters extinguished it.
Aldi and Kmart, which took the same approach to Woolworths in banishing Australia Day tat, somehow escaped the opprobrium, though Hanson tried to rope in Bunnings because she’d heard that some employee had claimed to have been told not to wear Australia Day paraphernalia to work.
How could it have come to this?
Having written a sketch for this masthead suggesting Dutton’s call for a Woolies boycott turned on its head his previous opposition to cancel culture, letter writers soon put me to rights.
Read the room, some of them advised. Don’t you understand the Voice was defeated?
In short, the latest convulsion over Australia Day has somehow become linked in some so-called patriots’ minds to the recent referendum over giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders a constitutionally enshrined Voice to parliament – a referendum that failed after Dutton and his colleagues, among others, damned it as divisive.
The January 26 date of Australia Day has, of course, been branded as divisive, too, by other Australians.
The date derives from the arrival of the First Fleet in Port Jackson (Sydney Harbour) in 1788, when Captain Arthur Phillip rowed ashore and planted the British flag, declaring he was taking possession in the name of King George III – despite Captain James Cook having already claimed the entire east coast almost 18 years previously.
It was the beginning of colonial Australia, without any consent by the land’s original inhabitants, the First Nations. (The arrival process was not complete until February 6 when the female convicts from the fleet came ashore, at which point Arthur Bowes Smyth, the ship’s surgeon, confided to his journal that “it is beyond my abilities to give a just description of the scene of debauchery and riot that ensued during the night”.)
It is this, then, that must be defended at all costs by the most strident of those who have hammered their loyalty to the Australia Day mast.
And yet, since 1938, when Aboriginal leader William Cooper led a day of mourning, January 26 has been contested by First Nations people and their growing numbers of supporters as Invasion Day.
The patriotically offended, then – or at least some of them – are propping up their adherence to the date by citing that they have won now because the Voice was defeated.
Where is Samuel Johnson when he is needed?
Others, more cogently, have argued in their emails to me that it is a matter of pride in Australia – patriotism, in short – that we should adhere to a January 26 Australia Day.
“Being proud to be Australian is important,” wrote one. “Being proud to support our national day is nothing to be embarrassed about and should be encouraged. If you don’t think we should be proud to be Australian, then what do you think we should be proud of? What do you think binds us together if it is not pride in our country?”
Another way of looking at it is that it is possible to have pride in one’s country without necessarily agreeing that a date that is contested by an increasingly significant proportion of that country’s population, including its original inhabitants, may no longer be altogether suitable as a national day, if it ever was.
Should we ever choose to search for another day that might bind us all to our country, may I suggest September 1, the start of spring and the date we celebrate our national floral emblem, the wattle, whose golden bloom heralds new life every year?
Could anyone but a scoundrel be offended at such a straightforward symbol of love of country? There’d be no need for self-interest or pretense about it, surely.
……………….
It is a good article.
except the wattle day bit. Too much asthma.
There’s a wattle for every day of the year and who said they cause asthma?
That’s mostly rye grass which was brought here to feed cattle and didn’t need to be.
We had plenty of stuff for cattle to eat.
Date: 23/01/2024 13:15:22
From: buffy
ID: 2117136
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
Date: 23/01/2024 13:16:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117138
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!
Date: 23/01/2024 13:17:27
From: buffy
ID: 2117139
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!
I’m wondering what he thinks might be about to become public knowledge. But that might just be me..
Date: 23/01/2024 13:18:59
From: OCDC
ID: 2117140
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
Date: 23/01/2024 13:23:24
From: Michael V
ID: 2117141
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!
I’m wondering what he thinks might be about to become public knowledge. But that might just be me..
Ha!
Date: 23/01/2024 13:24:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2117142
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
He’ll be remembered as the PM who couldn’t be arsed holding a hose.
Date: 23/01/2024 13:25:45
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117145
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!
I’m wondering what he thinks might be about to become public knowledge. But that might just be me..
The man is capable of anything, as long as it’s self-serving, deceitful, underhanded, and thoughtless, and it has nothing to do with leadership, ability, or duty.
Date: 23/01/2024 13:25:52
From: Cymek
ID: 2117146
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!
To form own party The Happy Clappers
Date: 23/01/2024 13:27:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117147
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Just gone up on JustIn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-23/scott-morrison-to-resign-from-politics/101277260
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!
To form own party The Happy Clappers
I wouldn’t put it past him. Go for the God-bothering vote, and just be a nail in the tyre of workable government.
Date: 23/01/2024 13:35:21
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117151
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
His steady hand and stewardship saw Australia come through the pandemic with flying colours.
Thanks Scott.
Date: 23/01/2024 14:06:55
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117158
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bubblecar said:
He’ll be remembered as the PM who couldn’t be arsed holding a hose.
Nah.. his legacy will be the multiple ministries scandal.
Date: 23/01/2024 14:18:17
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2117163
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
He’ll be remembered as the PM who couldn’t be arsed holding a hose.
Nah.. his legacy will be the multiple ministries scandal.
That too.
“I’m running half the government’s ministries mate, I don’t have time to hold a hose and I couldn’t be arsed, anyway.”
Date: 23/01/2024 14:21:19
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117164
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
He’ll be remembered as the PM who couldn’t be arsed holding a hose.
Nah.. his legacy will be the multiple ministries scandal.
That too.
“I’m running half the government’s ministries mate, I don’t have time to hold a hose and I couldn’t be arsed, anyway.”
if nothing else, he will be remembered…
Date: 23/01/2024 14:21:20
From: OCDC
ID: 2117165
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 23/01/2024 14:38:29
From: Michael V
ID: 2117170
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:

LOLOL
Date: 23/01/2024 14:40:34
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117171
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
OCDC said:

LOLOL
the other lols from today are the expansion of the stage 3 tax cuts..
so much for reigning in those unfair tax breaks for the rich
Date: 23/01/2024 15:32:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117180
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!
To form own party The Happy Clappers
I wouldn’t put it past him. Go for the God-bothering vote, and just be a nail in the tyre of workable government.
The Australian has confirmed that Scott Morrison will quit politics at the end of February to join a string of global strategic advising firms triggering a pre-budget by-election in the federal southern Sydney seat of Cook.
Date: 23/01/2024 15:35:04
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2117181
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
To form own party The Happy Clappers
I wouldn’t put it past him. Go for the God-bothering vote, and just be a nail in the tyre of workable government.
The Australian has confirmed that Scott Morrison will quit politics at the end of February to join a string of global strategic advising firms triggering a pre-budget by-election in the federal southern Sydney seat of Cook.
Hopefully the dopy prick stays out of the public scene more than Abbott.
Date: 23/01/2024 15:43:03
From: Ian
ID: 2117183
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Nah.. his legacy will be the multiple ministries scandal.
That too.
“I’m running half the government’s ministries mate, I don’t have time to hold a hose and I couldn’t be arsed, anyway.”
“If you have a go, you get a go… and if you’ve had a go, get in line and go around again…”
Date: 23/01/2024 15:47:40
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117184
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
To form own party The Happy Clappers
I wouldn’t put it past him. Go for the God-bothering vote, and just be a nail in the tyre of workable government.
The Australian has confirmed that Scott Morrison will quit politics at the end of February to join a string of global strategic advising firms triggering a pre-budget by-election in the federal southern Sydney seat of Cook.
‘…a string of global strategic advising firms…’
He obviously didn’t use his real name (or his real work history) when he applied for that job.
Date: 23/01/2024 15:59:24
From: Cymek
ID: 2117185
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
I wouldn’t put it past him. Go for the God-bothering vote, and just be a nail in the tyre of workable government.
The Australian has confirmed that Scott Morrison will quit politics at the end of February to join a string of global strategic advising firms triggering a pre-budget by-election in the federal southern Sydney seat of Cook.
‘…a string of global strategic advising firms…’
He obviously didn’t use his real name (or his real work history) when he applied for that job.
You’d think he’d play a more prominent role is his church, perhaps do the music
I’m DJ Scomo that’s my name, talking to god that’s my game, you might think its lame but its my ticket to fame, oh yeah
Date: 23/01/2024 16:46:44
From: Michael V
ID: 2117193
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
captain_spalding said:
I wouldn’t put it past him. Go for the God-bothering vote, and just be a nail in the tyre of workable government.
The Australian has confirmed that Scott Morrison will quit politics at the end of February to join a string of global strategic advising firms triggering a pre-budget by-election in the federal southern Sydney seat of Cook.
‘…a string of global strategic advising firms…’
He obviously didn’t use his real name (or his real work history) when he applied for that job.
:)
Date: 23/01/2024 17:23:50
From: OCDC
ID: 2117206
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024

🤮🤢
Date: 24/01/2024 08:29:31
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2117311
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

Date: 24/01/2024 08:34:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117312
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

Yet another shadow ministry.
Date: 24/01/2024 08:38:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117313
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

Presumably they’ve employed him as some sort of ferret, who they think can help them navigate the corridors of Australian government and ministries, using his ‘contacts’ and ‘influence’ to help AGS and/or its clients get their way.
How long he lasts with the job will depend on whether, once he’s out of Parliament, any of his ‘friends’ are at all eager to maintain an acquaintance with him, and how long it takes AGS to wake up to the fact that he’s a useless deadweight.
I’m confident that he’ll preserve his record, and utterly bollocks up this job in short order.
Date: 24/01/2024 08:40:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117314
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

Presumably they’ve employed him as some sort of ferret, who they think can help them navigate the corridors of Australian government and ministries, using his ‘contacts’ and ‘influence’ to help AGS and/or its clients get their way.
How long he lasts with the job will depend on whether, once he’s out of Parliament, any of his ‘friends’ are at all eager to maintain an acquaintance with him, and how long it takes AGS to wake up to the fact that he’s a useless deadweight.
I’m confident that he’ll preserve his record, and utterly bollocks up this job in short order.
Seems a fair call.
Date: 24/01/2024 08:42:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117315
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

Presumably they’ve employed him as some sort of ferret, who they think can help them navigate the corridors of Australian government and ministries, using his ‘contacts’ and ‘influence’ to help AGS and/or its clients get their way.
How long he lasts with the job will depend on whether, once he’s out of Parliament, any of his ‘friends’ are at all eager to maintain an acquaintance with him, and how long it takes AGS to wake up to the fact that he’s a useless deadweight.
I’m confident that he’ll preserve his record, and utterly bollocks up this job in short order.
Seems a fair call.
In the meantime, he actually might do some good (perhaps for the first time in his life) by hindering AGS’s slitherings, even if unintentionally.
Date: 24/01/2024 08:44:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117316
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Presumably they’ve employed him as some sort of ferret, who they think can help them navigate the corridors of Australian government and ministries, using his ‘contacts’ and ‘influence’ to help AGS and/or its clients get their way.
How long he lasts with the job will depend on whether, once he’s out of Parliament, any of his ‘friends’ are at all eager to maintain an acquaintance with him, and how long it takes AGS to wake up to the fact that he’s a useless deadweight.
I’m confident that he’ll preserve his record, and utterly bollocks up this job in short order.
Seems a fair call.
In the meantime, he actually might do some good (perhaps for the first time in his life) by hindering AGS’s slitherings, even if unintentionally.
Wonder of wonders.
Date: 24/01/2024 09:02:20
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2117323
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Looks like the ABC is still being setup to fail.
Kim Williams, formerly of Foxtel and News Corpse.

Date: 24/01/2024 09:53:53
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117334
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

that seems a good fit
Date: 24/01/2024 10:03:26
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117337
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

Presumably they’ve employed him as some sort of ferret, who they think can help them navigate the corridors of Australian government and ministries, using his ‘contacts’ and ‘influence’ to help AGS and/or its clients get their way.
How long he lasts with the job will depend on whether, once he’s out of Parliament, any of his ‘friends’ are at all eager to maintain an acquaintance with him, and how long it takes AGS to wake up to the fact that he’s a useless deadweight.
I’m confident that he’ll preserve his record, and utterly bollocks up this job in short order.
unsurprisingly former world leaders do open a lot of doors for political lobbying groups… I had a quick look at their web site and looks like AGS do a lot of defence and large scale maritime work.. It would seem to me that he’s a perfect for a non-executive role. If that were my company, ScoMo would be exactly the sort of person I’d be looking to recruit.
Date: 24/01/2024 10:22:01
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117338
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
If that were my company, ScoMo would be exactly the sort of person I’d be looking to recruit.
On the face of it, he would appear to be just that.
But, let’s give them a little while to get to really know him.
Date: 24/01/2024 10:27:12
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117340
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
If that were my company, ScoMo would be exactly the sort of person I’d be looking to recruit.
On the face of it, he would appear to be just that.
But, let’s give them a little while to get to really know him.
are you actually serious? a guy that knows the rules well enough to swear himself into multiple ministries in total secret… he’s perfect for political lobbying, I’m sure he’ll fit in perfectly.. the thing is he won’t care one bit about public notoriety, he’ll happily skulk around in the shadows and be paid handsomely for his efforts…
Date: 24/01/2024 10:43:48
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2117342
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
If that were my company, ScoMo would be exactly the sort of person I’d be looking to recruit.
On the face of it, he would appear to be just that.
But, let’s give them a little while to get to really know him.
are you actually serious? a guy that knows the rules well enough to swear himself into multiple ministries in total secret… he’s perfect for political lobbying, I’m sure he’ll fit in perfectly.. the thing is he won’t care one bit about public notoriety, he’ll happily skulk around in the shadows and be paid handsomely for his efforts…
He does have the right persona for it. The question is, will he be any better at this job than any of his previous ones. I mean, he was good at putting his foot in it in his advertising days, and there’s a business in which you don’t even have to be sober to be a success.
Date: 24/01/2024 11:31:34
From: Cymek
ID: 2117344
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
On the face of it, he would appear to be just that.
But, let’s give them a little while to get to really know him.
are you actually serious? a guy that knows the rules well enough to swear himself into multiple ministries in total secret… he’s perfect for political lobbying, I’m sure he’ll fit in perfectly.. the thing is he won’t care one bit about public notoriety, he’ll happily skulk around in the shadows and be paid handsomely for his efforts…
He does have the right persona for it. The question is, will he be any better at this job than any of his previous ones. I mean, he was good at putting his foot in it in his advertising days, and there’s a business in which you don’t even have to be sober to be a success.
It can’t be overly hard to be an advisor for the USA/president, just be a yes man and have no moral backbone to question anything the US does especially in the name of security.
Date: 24/01/2024 11:38:03
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117345
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Kim Williams will be the new chair of the ABC, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced.
He will succeed Ita Buttrose who has served two terms at the public broadcaster and will step down in March.
Williams’ previous roles include Foxtel CEO, chairman of the Sydney Opera House Trust, CEO of News Limited and a commissioner of the AFL.
Albanese said: “It’s vital our national broadcaster has a safe and experienced pair of hands at the helm – and that’s what Kim will provide.
“Kim is eminently qualified to provide ongoing stability and leadership to this deeply valued Australian institution.”
Kim Williams (AM) has had a long involvement in the arts, entertainment and media industries here and overseas and has held various executive leadership positions since the late 1970s including as Chief Executive at each of News Corp Australia, Foxtel, Fox Studios Australia, the Australian Film Commission, Southern Star Entertainment and Music Viva Australia and also as a senior executive at the ABC.
Kim was the Chief Executive of Foxtel for the decade up until November 2011. At Foxtel he pioneered many of the major digital broadcast innovations in Australia and received the 2012 Lifetime Achievement Award from the Australian subscription television association ASTRA for his diverse contributions.
Kim has also held numerous Board positions (and Chairmanships) in commercial and public life over more than three decades including as Chairmen of the Australian Film Finance Corporation (which he founded in 1988); Chairman of MCN—the subscription television industry’s major advertising sales company; Chairman of each of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra; Musica Viva Australia; and most recently the Sydney Opera House Trust from 2005 until 2013.
He was appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia in June 2006 for his services to the arts and public policy formulation in the film and television industries. In October 2009 he was awarded a Doctorate of Letters (Honoris Causa) by Macquarie University for his contribution to the arts and entertainment industry in Australia and internationally. He is a previous recipient of the Richard Pratt Business Arts Leadership Award from the Australian Business Arts Foundation and the Australian Writers Guild’s Dorothy Crawford Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Profession. His first book Rules of Engagement was published by Melbourne University Press in 2014.
——
seems overqualified and right wing.
I hope it works.
Date: 24/01/2024 12:01:41
From: Cymek
ID: 2117348
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
Kim Williams will be the new chair of the ABC, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced.
He will succeed Ita Buttrose who has served two terms at the public broadcaster and will step down in March.
Williams’ previous roles include Foxtel CEO, chairman of the Sydney Opera House Trust, CEO of News Limited and a commissioner of the AFL.
Albanese said: “It’s vital our national broadcaster has a safe and experienced pair of hands at the helm – and that’s what Kim will provide.
“Kim is eminently qualified to provide ongoing stability and leadership to this deeply valued Australian institution.”
Kim Williams (AM) has had a long involvement in the arts, entertainment and media industries here and overseas and has held various executive leadership positions since the late 1970s including as Chief Executive at each of News Corp Australia, Foxtel, Fox Studios Australia, the Australian Film Commission, Southern Star Entertainment and Music Viva Australia and also as a senior executive at the ABC.
Kim was the Chief Executive of Foxtel for the decade up until November 2011. At Foxtel he pioneered many of the major digital broadcast innovations in Australia and received the 2012 Lifetime Achievement Award from the Australian subscription television association ASTRA for his diverse contributions.
Kim has also held numerous Board positions (and Chairmanships) in commercial and public life over more than three decades including as Chairmen of the Australian Film Finance Corporation (which he founded in 1988); Chairman of MCN—the subscription television industry’s major advertising sales company; Chairman of each of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra; Musica Viva Australia; and most recently the Sydney Opera House Trust from 2005 until 2013.
He was appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia in June 2006 for his services to the arts and public policy formulation in the film and television industries. In October 2009 he was awarded a Doctorate of Letters (Honoris Causa) by Macquarie University for his contribution to the arts and entertainment industry in Australia and internationally. He is a previous recipient of the Richard Pratt Business Arts Leadership Award from the Australian Business Arts Foundation and the Australian Writers Guild’s Dorothy Crawford Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Profession. His first book Rules of Engagement was published by Melbourne University Press in 2014.
——
seems overqualified and right wing.
I hope it works.

I’m an equal opportunity type guy I’ll be sniffing this new chair like I did the previous one.
Date: 24/01/2024 12:18:23
From: OCDC
ID: 2117353
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 24/01/2024 12:25:29
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117356
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:

This, to me, is pretty funny.. but probably not for the reasons intended… Many Lab supporters are the ones that rallied against the Stage 3 tax cuts because they were too generous… now it’s cool because they are even bigger… we should remember that the LibNat tax cuts were staged so that lower and middle income earners were the first to benefit from the cuts through Stages 1 and 2.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally think that creating an even greater level of structural deficit in the budget this is a good thing as I hope it will initiate conversation around actual real tax reform in this country.
Date: 24/01/2024 12:57:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117367
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
are you actually serious? a guy that knows the rules well enough to swear himself into multiple ministries in total secret… he’s perfect for political lobbying, I’m sure he’ll fit in perfectly.. the thing is he won’t care one bit about public notoriety, he’ll happily skulk around in the shadows and be paid handsomely for his efforts…
He does have the right persona for it. The question is, will he be any better at this job than any of his previous ones. I mean, he was good at putting his foot in it in his advertising days, and there’s a business in which you don’t even have to be sober to be a success.
It can’t be overly hard to be an advisor for the USA/president, just be a yes man and have no moral backbone to question anything the US does especially in the name of security.
He already has practice at sucking up to Trump.
Date: 24/01/2024 12:58:10
From: OCDC
ID: 2117368
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 24/01/2024 12:59:59
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117369
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:

Praise the Lord.
Date: 24/01/2024 13:02:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2117372
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Peak Warming Man said:
OCDC said:

Praise the Lord.
and pass the salt.
Date: 24/01/2024 13:04:00
From: Michael V
ID: 2117374
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:

:)
Date: 24/01/2024 13:18:43
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117382
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
OCDC said:

This, to me, is pretty funny.. but probably not for the reasons intended… Many Lab supporters are the ones that rallied against the Stage 3 tax cuts because they were too generous… now it’s cool because they are even bigger… we should remember that the LibNat tax cuts were staged so that lower and middle income earners were the first to benefit from the cuts through Stages 1 and 2.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally think that creating an even greater level of structural deficit in the budget this is a good thing as I hope it will initiate conversation around actual real tax reform in this country.
This is not the place for talking political sense.
Date: 24/01/2024 13:21:53
From: kii
ID: 2117384
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
Looks like the useless POS has a new job in the US, working for a Trump sycophant.

I hate Morrison with a seething rage.
Date: 24/01/2024 14:03:57
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2117390
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
Kim Williams will be the new chair of the ABC, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced.
He will succeed Ita Buttrose who has served two terms at the public broadcaster and will step down in March.
Williams’ previous roles include Foxtel CEO, chairman of the Sydney Opera House Trust, CEO of News Limited and a commissioner of the AFL.
Albanese said: “It’s vital our national broadcaster has a safe and experienced pair of hands at the helm – and that’s what Kim will provide.
“Kim is eminently qualified to provide ongoing stability and leadership to this deeply valued Australian institution.”
Kim Williams (AM) has had a long involvement in the arts, entertainment and media industries here and overseas and has held various executive leadership positions since the late 1970s including as Chief Executive at each of News Corp Australia, Foxtel, Fox Studios Australia, the Australian Film Commission, Southern Star Entertainment and Music Viva Australia and also as a senior executive at the ABC.
Kim was the Chief Executive of Foxtel for the decade up until November 2011. At Foxtel he pioneered many of the major digital broadcast innovations in Australia and received the 2012 Lifetime Achievement Award from the Australian subscription television association ASTRA for his diverse contributions.
Kim has also held numerous Board positions (and Chairmanships) in commercial and public life over more than three decades including as Chairmen of the Australian Film Finance Corporation (which he founded in 1988); Chairman of MCN—the subscription television industry’s major advertising sales company; Chairman of each of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra; Musica Viva Australia; and most recently the Sydney Opera House Trust from 2005 until 2013.
He was appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia in June 2006 for his services to the arts and public policy formulation in the film and television industries. In October 2009 he was awarded a Doctorate of Letters (Honoris Causa) by Macquarie University for his contribution to the arts and entertainment industry in Australia and internationally. He is a previous recipient of the Richard Pratt Business Arts Leadership Award from the Australian Business Arts Foundation and the Australian Writers Guild’s Dorothy Crawford Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Profession. His first book Rules of Engagement was published by Melbourne University Press in 2014.
——
seems overqualified and right wing.
I hope it works.
With that background it seems unlikely. Buttrose did very little to improve the ABC, letting it flounder in mediocrity and endless repeats, which made me a follower of SBS programs, although with radio I do remain with ABC FM News. Only hope they don’t now start making up the news.
Date: 24/01/2024 14:17:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117394
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
Kim Williams will be the new chair of the ABC, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced.
He will succeed Ita Buttrose who has served two terms at the public broadcaster and will step down in March.
Williams’ previous roles include Foxtel CEO, chairman of the Sydney Opera House Trust, CEO of News Limited and a commissioner of the AFL.
Albanese said: “It’s vital our national broadcaster has a safe and experienced pair of hands at the helm – and that’s what Kim will provide.
“Kim is eminently qualified to provide ongoing stability and leadership to this deeply valued Australian institution.”
Kim Williams (AM) has had a long involvement in the arts, entertainment and media industries here and overseas and has held various executive leadership positions since the late 1970s including as Chief Executive at each of News Corp Australia, Foxtel, Fox Studios Australia, the Australian Film Commission, Southern Star Entertainment and Music Viva Australia and also as a senior executive at the ABC.
Kim was the Chief Executive of Foxtel for the decade up until November 2011. At Foxtel he pioneered many of the major digital broadcast innovations in Australia and received the 2012 Lifetime Achievement Award from the Australian subscription television association ASTRA for his diverse contributions.
Kim has also held numerous Board positions (and Chairmanships) in commercial and public life over more than three decades including as Chairmen of the Australian Film Finance Corporation (which he founded in 1988); Chairman of MCN—the subscription television industry’s major advertising sales company; Chairman of each of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra; Musica Viva Australia; and most recently the Sydney Opera House Trust from 2005 until 2013.
He was appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia in June 2006 for his services to the arts and public policy formulation in the film and television industries. In October 2009 he was awarded a Doctorate of Letters (Honoris Causa) by Macquarie University for his contribution to the arts and entertainment industry in Australia and internationally. He is a previous recipient of the Richard Pratt Business Arts Leadership Award from the Australian Business Arts Foundation and the Australian Writers Guild’s Dorothy Crawford Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Profession. His first book Rules of Engagement was published by Melbourne University Press in 2014.
——
seems overqualified and right wing.
I hope it works.
With that background it seems unlikely. Buttrose did very little to improve the ABC, letting it flounder in mediocrity and endless repeats, which made me a follower of SBS programs, although with radio I do remain with ABC FM News. Only hope they don’t now start making up the news.
same same.
Date: 24/01/2024 14:26:00
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117396
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
Kim Williams will be the new chair of the ABC, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced.
He will succeed Ita Buttrose who has served two terms at the public broadcaster and will step down in March.
Williams’ previous roles include Foxtel CEO, chairman of the Sydney Opera House Trust, CEO of News Limited and a commissioner of the AFL.
Albanese said: “It’s vital our national broadcaster has a safe and experienced pair of hands at the helm – and that’s what Kim will provide.
“Kim is eminently qualified to provide ongoing stability and leadership to this deeply valued Australian institution.”
Kim Williams (AM) has had a long involvement in the arts, entertainment and media industries here and overseas and has held various executive leadership positions since the late 1970s including as Chief Executive at each of News Corp Australia, Foxtel, Fox Studios Australia, the Australian Film Commission, Southern Star Entertainment and Music Viva Australia and also as a senior executive at the ABC.
Kim was the Chief Executive of Foxtel for the decade up until November 2011. At Foxtel he pioneered many of the major digital broadcast innovations in Australia and received the 2012 Lifetime Achievement Award from the Australian subscription television association ASTRA for his diverse contributions.
Kim has also held numerous Board positions (and Chairmanships) in commercial and public life over more than three decades including as Chairmen of the Australian Film Finance Corporation (which he founded in 1988); Chairman of MCN—the subscription television industry’s major advertising sales company; Chairman of each of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra; Musica Viva Australia; and most recently the Sydney Opera House Trust from 2005 until 2013.
He was appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia in June 2006 for his services to the arts and public policy formulation in the film and television industries. In October 2009 he was awarded a Doctorate of Letters (Honoris Causa) by Macquarie University for his contribution to the arts and entertainment industry in Australia and internationally. He is a previous recipient of the Richard Pratt Business Arts Leadership Award from the Australian Business Arts Foundation and the Australian Writers Guild’s Dorothy Crawford Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Profession. His first book Rules of Engagement was published by Melbourne University Press in 2014.
——
seems overqualified and right wing.
I hope it works.
With that background it seems unlikely. Buttrose did very little to improve the ABC, letting it flounder in mediocrity and endless repeats, which made me a follower of SBS programs, although with radio I do remain with ABC FM News. Only hope they don’t now start making up the news.
Heidi informs me that he left Foxtel/News in an angry hissy fit. I don’t know the truth to this.
Date: 24/01/2024 14:29:50
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2117397
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
sarahs mum said:
Kim Williams will be the new chair of the ABC, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced.
He will succeed Ita Buttrose who has served two terms at the public broadcaster and will step down in March.
Williams’ previous roles include Foxtel CEO, chairman of the Sydney Opera House Trust, CEO of News Limited and a commissioner of the AFL.
Albanese said: “It’s vital our national broadcaster has a safe and experienced pair of hands at the helm – and that’s what Kim will provide.
“Kim is eminently qualified to provide ongoing stability and leadership to this deeply valued Australian institution.”
Kim Williams (AM) has had a long involvement in the arts, entertainment and media industries here and overseas and has held various executive leadership positions since the late 1970s including as Chief Executive at each of News Corp Australia, Foxtel, Fox Studios Australia, the Australian Film Commission, Southern Star Entertainment and Music Viva Australia and also as a senior executive at the ABC.
Kim was the Chief Executive of Foxtel for the decade up until November 2011. At Foxtel he pioneered many of the major digital broadcast innovations in Australia and received the 2012 Lifetime Achievement Award from the Australian subscription television association ASTRA for his diverse contributions.
Kim has also held numerous Board positions (and Chairmanships) in commercial and public life over more than three decades including as Chairmen of the Australian Film Finance Corporation (which he founded in 1988); Chairman of MCN—the subscription television industry’s major advertising sales company; Chairman of each of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra; Musica Viva Australia; and most recently the Sydney Opera House Trust from 2005 until 2013.
He was appointed as a Member of the Order of Australia in June 2006 for his services to the arts and public policy formulation in the film and television industries. In October 2009 he was awarded a Doctorate of Letters (Honoris Causa) by Macquarie University for his contribution to the arts and entertainment industry in Australia and internationally. He is a previous recipient of the Richard Pratt Business Arts Leadership Award from the Australian Business Arts Foundation and the Australian Writers Guild’s Dorothy Crawford Award for Outstanding Contribution to the Profession. His first book Rules of Engagement was published by Melbourne University Press in 2014.
——
seems overqualified and right wing.
I hope it works.
With that background it seems unlikely. Buttrose did very little to improve the ABC, letting it flounder in mediocrity and endless repeats, which made me a follower of SBS programs, although with radio I do remain with ABC FM News. Only hope they don’t now start making up the news.
Heidi informs me that he left Foxtel/News in an angry hissy fit. I don’t know the truth to this.
Apparently, he wanted to change things, but the top two Murdoch’s and others did not.
Date: 24/01/2024 17:27:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117446
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The prime minister, Anthony Albanese, warned against Dutton’s boycott, pointing to the impact it might have on its 200,000 employees.
—-
200k employees seems hard to believe.
Date: 24/01/2024 17:36:48
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2117455
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
The prime minister, Anthony Albanese, warned against Dutton’s boycott, pointing to the impact it might have on its 200,000 employees.
—-
200k employees seems hard to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Group_(Australia)
Link
so probably not just in the stores.
Date: 24/01/2024 17:40:23
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117460
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
sarahs mum said:
The prime minister, Anthony Albanese, warned against Dutton’s boycott, pointing to the impact it might have on its 200,000 employees.
—-
200k employees seems hard to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Group_(Australia)
Link
so probably not just in the stores.
ta.
:)
Date: 24/01/2024 19:13:29
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2117540
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
The prime minister, Anthony Albanese, warned against Dutton’s boycott, pointing to the impact it might have on its 200,000 employees.
—-
200k employees seems hard to believe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolworths_Group_(Australia)
Date: 24/01/2024 20:14:06
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117562
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
Date: 24/01/2024 20:20:06
From: dv
ID: 2117563
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Eh. I don’t need a tax cut, I need a functional country.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:26:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117570
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Eh. I don’t need a tax cut, I need a functional country.
hear hear.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:30:03
From: buffy
ID: 2117573
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
The details aren’t out until the Press Club tomorrow.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:34:14
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117574
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Eh. I don’t need a tax cut, I need a functional country.
Love.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:34:38
From: buffy
ID: 2117575
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
This wedging?
>>Mr Chalmers said Ms Ley was playing the “nasty, negative politics” the opposition was “familiar with”.
“And as I understand it, the deputy opposition leader said today that if they are elected, they will unwind these changes,” he told 7.30.
“That means the Liberals and Nationals are going to the election with a policy to increase taxes on middle Australia in order to fund even bigger tax cuts for people on the highest incomes.”<<
From the ABC Justin
Date: 24/01/2024 20:35:01
From: party_pants
ID: 2117576
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
The details aren’t out until the Press Club tomorrow.
You can expect they’ll be widely leaked beforehand.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:35:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117577
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Eh. I don’t need a tax cut, I need a functional country.
Love.
Make Australia Great Again.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:36:54
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117578
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Eh. I don’t need a tax cut, I need a functional country.
Love.
Make Australia Great Again.
put the top tax rate back to 1960s level?
Date: 24/01/2024 20:37:09
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117579
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
This wedging?
>>Mr Chalmers said Ms Ley was playing the “nasty, negative politics” the opposition was “familiar with”.
“And as I understand it, the deputy opposition leader said today that if they are elected, they will unwind these changes,” he told 7.30.
“That means the Liberals and Nationals are going to the election with a policy to increase taxes on middle Australia in order to fund even bigger tax cuts for people on the highest incomes.”<<
From the ABC Justin
Yes well, it is a lie and an election promise breaker because Labor are trying to equalise the tax cuts for the top end that the Libs started.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:38:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117580
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Love.
Make Australia Great Again.
put the top tax rate back to 1960s level?
The thing that Gough failed at. To buy the country back.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:39:42
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2117581
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
Make Australia Great Again.
put the top tax rate back to 1960s level?
The thing that Gough failed at. To buy the country back.
From whom?
Date: 24/01/2024 20:42:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117583
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
put the top tax rate back to 1960s level?
The thing that Gough failed at. To buy the country back.
From whom?
Ask Gough.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:44:31
From: party_pants
ID: 2117585
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The legislation was passed in 2018/19 for these tax cuts. With the most controversial left till last, when those that passed it knew they would likely be out of office by then and it would be someone else’s problem to either provide them or cancel them – either way an unpopular decision. This was a year or two before Covid, so a lot has changed since then. I don’t think anyone really has their heart set on getting these tax cuts.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:45:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2117586
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
roughbarked said:
The thing that Gough failed at. To buy the country back.
From whom?
Ask Gough.
He took it to the grave.
Date: 24/01/2024 20:48:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117588
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
party_pants said:
The legislation was passed in 2018/19 for these tax cuts. With the most controversial left till last, when those that passed it knew they would likely be out of office by then and it would be someone else’s problem to either provide them or cancel them – either way an unpopular decision. This was a year or two before Covid, so a lot has changed since then. I don’t think anyone really has their heart set on getting these tax cuts.
True enough. Sad that the coalition is attempting to use it to drag Labor’s efforts down but hey, that’s the way god planned it.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:09:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117601
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
The legislation was passed in 2018/19 for these tax cuts. With the most controversial left till last, when those that passed it knew they would likely be out of office by then and it would be someone else’s problem to either provide them or cancel them – either way an unpopular decision. This was a year or two before Covid, so a lot has changed since then. I don’t think anyone really has their heart set on getting these tax cuts.
True enough. Sad that the coalition is attempting to use it to drag Labor’s efforts down but hey, that’s the way god planned it.
that was discussed back then. It’s not like it has hit us out of the blue whatever Bolt says.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:11:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117607
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
The legislation was passed in 2018/19 for these tax cuts. With the most controversial left till last, when those that passed it knew they would likely be out of office by then and it would be someone else’s problem to either provide them or cancel them – either way an unpopular decision. This was a year or two before Covid, so a lot has changed since then. I don’t think anyone really has their heart set on getting these tax cuts.
True enough. Sad that the coalition is attempting to use it to drag Labor’s efforts down but hey, that’s the way god planned it.
that was discussed back then. It’s not like it has hit us out of the blue whatever Bolt says.
Nods.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:18:51
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2117611
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Wouldn’t it be refreshing if a government could just come out and say we’re going to do a backflip, we’re going to break a promise.
But no they have to spin it.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:24:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2117613
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Peak Warming Man said:
Wouldn’t it be refreshing if a government could just come out and say we’re going to do a backflip, we’re going to break a promise.
But no they have to spin it.
It is how they keep us interested.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:25:11
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117614
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Eh. I don’t need a tax cut, I need a functional country.
in fairness I think this is the only way this happens… it seems to me that we need to create such an undeniable structural deficit that there is no other option but to reform the tax system entirely…
Date: 24/01/2024 21:26:12
From: dv
ID: 2117615
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Today’s Morgan poll had ALP ahead 52.5 – 47.5
Date: 24/01/2024 21:26:57
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117616
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
This wedging?
>>Mr Chalmers said Ms Ley was playing the “nasty, negative politics” the opposition was “familiar with”.
“And as I understand it, the deputy opposition leader said today that if they are elected, they will unwind these changes,” he told 7.30.
“That means the Liberals and Nationals are going to the election with a policy to increase taxes on middle Australia in order to fund even bigger tax cuts for people on the highest incomes.”<<
From the ABC Justin
the wedge is that the LibNats can’t roll back the changes without taking away the tax cut that been provided to the lower and middle class earners
Date: 24/01/2024 21:27:27
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117617
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
party_pants said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
The details aren’t out until the Press Club tomorrow.
You can expect they’ll be widely leaked beforehand.
they are in the article I linked to
Date: 24/01/2024 21:33:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2117619
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Eh. I don’t need a tax cut, I need a functional country.
in fairness I think this is the only way this happens… it seems to me that we need to create such an undeniable structural deficit that there is no other option but to reform the tax system entirely…
We’re all familiar with your opinions on this matter…
Date: 24/01/2024 21:34:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2117620
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Just simplify the tax system and create a non deductible tax on the transfer of currency ( including bitcoin)
No more taxation on existing warehouse stock
No more “trusts” where rich people can park money
Road tax should only be used on the roads, the money flowing into road building can EMPLOY people instead of giving handouts.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:35:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2117622
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Get rid of the extra taxation on people that want to take on another PAYE job on the side
Date: 24/01/2024 21:36:06
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2117623
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
wookiemeister said:
Just simplify the tax system and create a non deductible tax on the transfer of currency ( including bitcoin)
No more taxation on existing warehouse stock
No more “trusts” where rich people can park money
Road tax should only be used on the roads, the money flowing into road building can EMPLOY people instead of giving handouts.
You and Diddly can brainstorm this together.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:39:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2117625
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Just simplify the tax system and create a non deductible tax on the transfer of currency ( including bitcoin)
No more taxation on existing warehouse stock
No more “trusts” where rich people can park money
Road tax should only be used on the roads, the money flowing into road building can EMPLOY people instead of giving handouts.
You and Diddly can brainstorm this together.
We’re over taxed
They took GST off tampons. The first few weeks prices must have gone down – I bet they are back up again and the manufacturer makes more profit. No one gained , it was a hollow gesture towards equality?
They should have kept the tax on tampons and used it to house vulnerable people like single mothers that might have left home due to domestic violence. Maybe the sisterhood should have thought of that?
Date: 24/01/2024 21:40:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117626
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Today’s Morgan poll had ALP ahead 52.5 – 47.5
is Dutton any more popular?
please say no.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:44:11
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2117627
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
I’d be using tax to bolster things like army, navy, airforce cadets. Young children could be spending their weekends firing machine guns, stripping down, cleaning them then lightly oiling them and putting then back into a well stocked armoury.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:48:58
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2117629
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Maybe you’d commission a pyramid the unemployed can build.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:50:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2117630
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
wookiemeister said:
Maybe you’d commission a pyramid the unemployed can build.
Backpackers could spend their 88 days building my pyramid to stay another year.
Date: 24/01/2024 21:53:39
From: dv
ID: 2117631
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Today’s Morgan poll had ALP ahead 52.5 – 47.5
is Dutton any more popular?
please say no.
This survey didn’t include a preferred PM question.
The last survey I know of that did was YouGov last week which had him at 35% as preferred prime minister, which is basically inline with his average recently.
Date: 24/01/2024 22:01:58
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2117634
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Just simplify the tax system and create a non deductible tax on the transfer of currency ( including bitcoin)
No more taxation on existing warehouse stock
No more “trusts” where rich people can park money
Road tax should only be used on the roads, the money flowing into road building can EMPLOY people instead of giving handouts.
You and Diddly can brainstorm this together.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Something’s gotta give at some point.
Date: 24/01/2024 22:14:03
From: dv
ID: 2117636
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
What unemployed? By reasonable standards we are at full employment, with record high workplace participation.
Date: 24/01/2024 22:15:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117637
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
What unemployed? By reasonable standards we are at full employment, with record high workplace participation.
If you work an hour a week you’re employed. Underemployment is rampant.
Date: 24/01/2024 22:29:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117639
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
What unemployed? By reasonable standards we are at full employment, with record high workplace participation.
If you work an hour a week you’re employed. Underemployment is rampant.
A friend of mine has been trying hard to get a permanent position. She wants to put herself in the position for a home loan. She’s on her third six-month contract. She’s been working hard but she’s not got the job she wants or needs.
Date: 24/01/2024 22:34:01
From: dv
ID: 2117640
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
What unemployed? By reasonable standards we are at full employment, with record high workplace participation.
If you work an hour a week you’re employed. Underemployment is rampant.
Underemployment is low by historical standards. It’s mostly been between 8 and 12% since the 80s, and it is now 6%.
The economy is running hot … it’s normal for young people to be on multiple gigs.
And I suppose this is what is driving the demand for immigrant labour…
OTOH I do think the increased casualisation ain’t great news overall
Date: 25/01/2024 09:27:49
From: dv
ID: 2117668
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Today’s Morgan poll had ALP ahead 52.5 – 47.5
It is worthwhile noting that this was somewhat worse for the Coalition than the result of the 2022 election, which was 52.1 – 47.9, and the Libs. If, as they say in the classics, an election were held tomorrow, we’d expect the Libs to lose another 4 seats, leaving them with 38 seats in the 151 House of Reps. The Nats would still have 16.
Date: 25/01/2024 09:35:24
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117669
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
buffy said:
diddly-squat said:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/millions-of-aussies-earning-from-45k-to-150k-to-be-804-better-off-under-new-tax-cuts-but-workers-on-200k-to-lose-big/news-story/46dab95ba0e0e618e4a627211e609770
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to rob the rich to upsize tax cuts for most workers under planned changes that will deliver a worker on $100,000 an extra $2179 a year.
The Robin Hood tax strategy is emerging as Labor MPs gather in Canberra to learn of the changes which are believed to include reducing the lowest tax bracket of 19 cents in the dollar to 16 cents.
The 37 per cent tax rate will also remain in place slashing the benefits for workers earning over $150,000.
But the biggest losers are workers earning $200,000 or more who will see a planned $9075 annual tax cut slashed in half to just $4546.
***
Having read the details I now think this is good wedge politics from the ALP but I equally, I think it’s bad policy…
This wedging?
>>Mr Chalmers said Ms Ley was playing the “nasty, negative politics” the opposition was “familiar with”.
“And as I understand it, the deputy opposition leader said today that if they are elected, they will unwind these changes,” he told 7.30.
“That means the Liberals and Nationals are going to the election with a policy to increase taxes on middle Australia in order to fund even bigger tax cuts for people on the highest incomes.”<<
From the ABC Justin
the wedge is that the LibNats can’t roll back the changes without taking away the tax cut that been provided to the lower and middle class earners
Why is it bad policy though?
Date: 25/01/2024 09:36:40
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2117670
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
dv said:
Today’s Morgan poll had ALP ahead 52.5 – 47.5
It is worthwhile noting that this was somewhat worse for the Coalition than the result of the 2022 election, which was 52.1 – 47.9, and the Libs. If, as they say in the classics, an election were held tomorrow, we’d expect the Libs to lose another 4 seats, leaving them with 38 seats in the 151 House of Reps. The Nats would still have 16.
Presumably there are already leadership discussions going on behind the scenes.
Date: 25/01/2024 12:15:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117742
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 25/01/2024 12:55:31
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2117759
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
MyGov accounts and linking to services has been designed by a team of sadists.
I try to link to centrelink, give my name, address, crn number, bank account number, type of payment,
And it still does not have enough information to link me.
And I’m already on the system .
Date: 25/01/2024 13:19:18
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2117765
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Tau.Neutrino said:
MyGov accounts and linking to services has been designed by a team of sadists.
I try to link to centrelink, give my name, address, crn number, bank account number, type of payment,
And it still does not have enough information to link me.
And I’m already on the system .
Try putting in your password wrong three times.
Yep, designed by sadists.
Date: 25/01/2024 14:01:07
From: dv
ID: 2117777
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Tau.Neutrino said:
MyGov accounts and linking to services has been designed by a team of sadists.
I try to link to centrelink, give my name, address, crn number, bank account number, type of payment,
And it still does not have enough information to link me.
And I’m already on the system .
That does sound weird. I found it pretty fast. I hope a call sorts it out.
Date: 25/01/2024 14:08:29
From: Cymek
ID: 2117780
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
MyGov accounts and linking to services has been designed by a team of sadists.
I try to link to centrelink, give my name, address, crn number, bank account number, type of payment,
And it still does not have enough information to link me.
And I’m already on the system .
That does sound weird. I found it pretty fast. I hope a call sorts it out.
I vaguely remember it being a pain to set up but that was a number of years ago
Date: 25/01/2024 14:21:39
From: OCDC
ID: 2117783
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 25/01/2024 14:51:35
From: Michael V
ID: 2117791
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:

:)
Date: 25/01/2024 21:58:02
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2117921
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
dv said:
Today’s Morgan poll had ALP ahead 52.5 – 47.5
It is worthwhile noting that this was somewhat worse for the Coalition than the result of the 2022 election, which was 52.1 – 47.9, and the Libs. If, as they say in the classics, an election were held tomorrow, we’d expect the Libs to lose another 4 seats, leaving them with 38 seats in the 151 House of Reps. The Nats would still have 16.
Peter Dutton calls for election over ‘very significant change’ to stage-three tax cuts
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/25/peter-dutton-calls-for-election-over-very-significant-change-to-stage-three-tax-cuts
Date: 26/01/2024 07:52:34
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2117974
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
As an ex-flying instructor, this sets off my warning bells big-time.
Some reports also suggest she has claimed #expenses for flights where she was in the cockpit to keep her commercial pilot hours up – So flying for WORK, claiming taxpayer-funded expenses SO she could keep her pilot’s license.
We are trying to get the story re-looked at.
Health Minister Sussan Ley ‘spent $13,000 to fly private planes on busy routes’ AAPThe West Australian – Wed, 11 January 2017 10:10AM
“Embattled health minister Sussan Ley’s use of taxpayer funding is again under fire following revelations she spent $13,000 to pilot private planes along busy capital city routes.
Fairfax reports Ms Ley, who is a licensed commercial pilot, charged $6300 to fly from Canberra to Melbourne in July 2014 and another $7000 to travel from Canberra to Adelaide in May 2015.
Ms Ley’s #socialmedia accounts indicate she was in the cockpit, Fairfax says.
According to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority guidelines, commercial pilots must fly three flights every 90 days to maintain their licences.
Ms Ley stood aside as the health minister on Monday after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull ordered an investigation into her travel claims by the head of his department.
She insists she’s broken no rules”
https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/health-minister-susan-ley-spent-13000-to-fly-private-planes-on-busy-routes-ng-b88351931z

Date: 26/01/2024 07:56:35
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2117975
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
As an ex-flying instructor, this sets off my warning bells big-time.
Some reports also suggest she has claimed #expenses for flights where she was in the cockpit to keep her commercial pilot hours up – So flying for WORK, claiming taxpayer-funded expenses SO she could keep her pilot’s license.
We are trying to get the story re-looked at.
Health Minister Sussan Ley ‘spent $13,000 to fly private planes on busy routes’ AAPThe West Australian – Wed, 11 January 2017 10:10AM
“Embattled health minister Sussan Ley’s use of taxpayer funding is again under fire following revelations she spent $13,000 to pilot private planes along busy capital city routes.
Fairfax reports Ms Ley, who is a licensed commercial pilot, charged $6300 to fly from Canberra to Melbourne in July 2014 and another $7000 to travel from Canberra to Adelaide in May 2015.
Ms Ley’s #socialmedia accounts indicate she was in the cockpit, Fairfax says.
According to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority guidelines, commercial pilots must fly three flights every 90 days to maintain their licences.
Ms Ley stood aside as the health minister on Monday after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull ordered an investigation into her travel claims by the head of his department.
She insists she’s broken no rules”
https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/health-minister-susan-ley-spent-13000-to-fly-private-planes-on-busy-routes-ng-b88351931z

That’s from 7 years ago. How did the story end?
Date: 26/01/2024 08:05:45
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117983
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
As an ex-flying instructor, this sets off my warning bells big-time.
Some reports also suggest she has claimed #expenses for flights where she was in the cockpit to keep her commercial pilot hours up – So flying for WORK, claiming taxpayer-funded expenses SO she could keep her pilot’s license.
We are trying to get the story re-looked at.
Health Minister Sussan Ley ‘spent $13,000 to fly private planes on busy routes’ AAPThe West Australian – Wed, 11 January 2017 10:10AM
“Embattled health minister Sussan Ley’s use of taxpayer funding is again under fire following revelations she spent $13,000 to pilot private planes along busy capital city routes.
Fairfax reports Ms Ley, who is a licensed commercial pilot, charged $6300 to fly from Canberra to Melbourne in July 2014 and another $7000 to travel from Canberra to Adelaide in May 2015.
Ms Ley’s #socialmedia accounts indicate she was in the cockpit, Fairfax says.
According to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority guidelines, commercial pilots must fly three flights every 90 days to maintain their licences.
Ms Ley stood aside as the health minister on Monday after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull ordered an investigation into her travel claims by the head of his department.
She insists she’s broken no rules”
https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/health-minister-susan-ley-spent-13000-to-fly-private-planes-on-busy-routes-ng-b88351931z

That’s from 7 years ago. How did the story end?
TATE says:
“ She resigned from the ministry in January 2017 following a controversy over her travel expense claims, but returned in August 2018 when Scott Morrison succeeded Malcolm Turnbull as prime minister. “
but has no mention of the additional rorts in this article.
Date: 26/01/2024 08:18:31
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2117987
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Spiny Norman said:
As an ex-flying instructor, this sets off my warning bells big-time.
Some reports also suggest she has claimed #expenses for flights where she was in the cockpit to keep her commercial pilot hours up – So flying for WORK, claiming taxpayer-funded expenses SO she could keep her pilot’s license.
We are trying to get the story re-looked at.
Health Minister Sussan Ley ‘spent $13,000 to fly private planes on busy routes’ AAPThe West Australian – Wed, 11 January 2017 10:10AM
“Embattled health minister Sussan Ley’s use of taxpayer funding is again under fire following revelations she spent $13,000 to pilot private planes along busy capital city routes.
Fairfax reports Ms Ley, who is a licensed commercial pilot, charged $6300 to fly from Canberra to Melbourne in July 2014 and another $7000 to travel from Canberra to Adelaide in May 2015.
Ms Ley’s #socialmedia accounts indicate she was in the cockpit, Fairfax says.
According to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority guidelines, commercial pilots must fly three flights every 90 days to maintain their licences.
Ms Ley stood aside as the health minister on Monday after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull ordered an investigation into her travel claims by the head of his department.
She insists she’s broken no rules”
https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/health-minister-susan-ley-spent-13000-to-fly-private-planes-on-busy-routes-ng-b88351931z

That’s from 7 years ago. How did the story end?
TATE says:
“ She resigned from the ministry in January 2017 following a controversy over her travel expense claims, but returned in August 2018 when Scott Morrison succeeded Malcolm Turnbull as prime minister. “
but has no mention of the additional rorts in this article.
Ah okay thanks chaps, I neglected to check the date of the article.
Date: 26/01/2024 08:34:37
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2117988
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
That’s from 7 years ago. How did the story end?
TATE says:
“ She resigned from the ministry in January 2017 following a controversy over her travel expense claims, but returned in August 2018 when Scott Morrison succeeded Malcolm Turnbull as prime minister. “
but has no mention of the additional rorts in this article.
Ah okay thanks chaps, I neglected to check the date of the article.
Worth knowing about though!
Date: 26/01/2024 14:21:01
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2118117
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
I see that Sky News are highly outraged on behalf of ordinary silent working Australians that the high earners have had their tax cuts reduced.
Date: 26/01/2024 14:24:55
From: Michael V
ID: 2118120
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see that Sky News are highly outraged on behalf of ordinary silent working Australians that the high earners have had their tax cuts reduced.
Well, they would, wouldn’t they.
Don’t forget Dutton et al.
Date: 26/01/2024 14:26:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2118121
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
I see that Sky News are highly outraged on behalf of ordinary silent working Australians that the high earners have had their tax cuts reduced.
I’d happily give my tax cut back to the government so that it could go to someone earning over $200,000 per year, to ease their straitened circumstances in these difficult times.
If i was still paying tax, that is.
Date: 26/01/2024 16:06:47
From: buffy
ID: 2118186
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michelle Grattan on The Tax Cuts:
Link
Date: 26/01/2024 16:11:54
From: party_pants
ID: 2118193
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
Michelle Grattan on The Tax Cuts:
Link
Sorry Michelle, but no, the reformed tax cuts are not that important.
Date: 26/01/2024 19:13:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2118310
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
26 January 2024
Former Labor Premier Lara Giddings says more to fear from Trump than minority government
Sue Bailey
Former Premier of Tasmania Lara Giddings. Picture: Chris Kidd
The state’s first female premier says she fears more from Donald Trump than another minority government in Tasmania.
Ms Giddings, who along with former Liberal premier Robin Gray received the highest honour in the Australia Day Awards today, said she was proud of the minority government she led after taking over as premier from David Bartlett in 2011.
“People ask me about minority government, having been part of one, and I tell them I fear the rise of Donald Trump a second time in America more than I fear minority government for Tasmania in the future,” the Labor trailblazer said.
“I am proud about the fact that we managed to have a stable government for four years in a minority parliament situation and that we gave a model to Tasmania that may be used in the future to provide stability in minority parliaments.
“I think that’s a legacy that will come back to be of benefit to Tasmania.
“I know that there’s not a lot that is commented about on that period of government, which I think is because there are a lot of good things that that government did.
“I was the premier but it was a government made up of very strong, talented ministers who worked hard in their portfolio areas and we should be proud of that government, as we are proud of the Bartlett, (Paul) Lennon and (the late) Bacon governments before then.”
As pundits predict a minority government after the next state election, due in 2025, Ms Giddings’ comments were backed by UTAS political analyst Professor Richard Herr.
“I can’t see a landslide in favour of either party at the next election so we most likely will be in a minority situation with independents,” he said.
“Minority governments in Tasmania have been a feature since Federation with a third of governments non-majority.
“Lara filled in admirably after David Bartlett. She didn’t miss a beat.
“The Greens had to deal with the responsibilities of being ministers and they didn’t bring the government down.”
Professor Herr said in the event of another minority government it would be incumbent of independents to be as responsible as the Greens and to guarantee confidence and supply.
He echoed Ms Giddings’ concerns about Mr Trump’s bid for president.
“Trump was so bereft of ideas in 2020 that the party couldn’t agree on a platform to take to the election,” Professor Herr said.
“He has not improved since then and has no ideas and is just concerned about vengeance and revenge.”
Date: 26/01/2024 21:59:11
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2118364
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Checking out google news on Aus day across the nation. Lots of differences in the spin. So much propaganda.
Date: 26/01/2024 22:01:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118367
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
Checking out google news on Aus day across the nation. Lots of differences in the spin. So much propaganda.
I see the immigration figures and compared to the born here people, it seems to be above it.
How do they comprehend being Australian?
Date: 26/01/2024 22:04:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118369
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
Checking out google news on Aus day across the nation. Lots of differences in the spin. So much propaganda.
I see the immigration figures and compared to the born here people, it seems to be above it.
How do they comprehend being Australian?
Look at what seems to have made news here today.
When I was young, people all went and did things associated with straya day.. without question but now, there are plenty of questions.
Date: 26/01/2024 22:06:15
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2118370
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 26/01/2024 22:08:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118371
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:

SHRIEK!
Date: 26/01/2024 22:09:53
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2118373
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 26/01/2024 22:12:59
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118374
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:

Like. This is awesome imagery.
Date: 26/01/2024 22:14:38
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2118375
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
ABC reporter Bec Pridham was in north-west Tasmania where hundreds of people flocked to the Henley on Mersey Festival to watch ferret racing.
Twenty-six competitors have gone nose to nose over 13 heats, vying for a place in the finals.
Dan Bowden and his son William have been racing ferrets in the event for years.
“We’ve had ferrets all my life, and we’ve probably had nearly 20 over my lifetime,” he said.
But his ferret, Molly, didn’t earn the title of Tasmania’s fastest ferret on Friday.
“Molly decided to go backwards, which isn’t like her. She came third a few years ago, but she let me down. She decided to go backwards.”
(Organisers stress that Henley on Mersey is not an Australia Day event, and the committee will debrief after Friday to decide whether to hold future events on January 26 or move to an alternative date.)
Date: 26/01/2024 22:16:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118376
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
ABC reporter Bec Pridham was in north-west Tasmania where hundreds of people flocked to the Henley on Mersey Festival to watch ferret racing.
Twenty-six competitors have gone nose to nose over 13 heats, vying for a place in the finals.
Dan Bowden and his son William have been racing ferrets in the event for years.
“We’ve had ferrets all my life, and we’ve probably had nearly 20 over my lifetime,” he said.
But his ferret, Molly, didn’t earn the title of Tasmania’s fastest ferret on Friday.
“Molly decided to go backwards, which isn’t like her. She came third a few years ago, but she let me down. She decided to go backwards.”
(Organisers stress that Henley on Mersey is not an Australia Day event, and the committee will debrief after Friday to decide whether to hold future events on January 26 or move to an alternative date.)
Got line honors for crosing that line first.
Date: 26/01/2024 22:17:33
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118378
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
sarahs mum said:
ABC reporter Bec Pridham was in north-west Tasmania where hundreds of people flocked to the Henley on Mersey Festival to watch ferret racing.
Twenty-six competitors have gone nose to nose over 13 heats, vying for a place in the finals.
Dan Bowden and his son William have been racing ferrets in the event for years.
“We’ve had ferrets all my life, and we’ve probably had nearly 20 over my lifetime,” he said.
But his ferret, Molly, didn’t earn the title of Tasmania’s fastest ferret on Friday.
“Molly decided to go backwards, which isn’t like her. She came third a few years ago, but she let me down. She decided to go backwards.”
(Organisers stress that Henley on Mersey is not an Australia Day event, and the committee will debrief after Friday to decide whether to hold future events on January 26 or move to an alternative date.)
Got line honors for crosing that line first.
^S
Date: 27/01/2024 15:42:01
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2118630
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-25/eighty-years-since-forced-first-fleet-reenactment/9358854
Link
Date: 27/01/2024 16:08:03
From: kii
ID: 2118636
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-25/eighty-years-since-forced-first-fleet-reenactment/9358854
Link
It’s all very sad. Neo-Nazis on Sydney trains, bogans having a fight on a sandbar, and forced invasion cosplay.
Date: 27/01/2024 16:12:59
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2118637
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-25/eighty-years-since-forced-first-fleet-reenactment/9358854
Link
It’s all very sad. Neo-Nazis on Sydney trains, bogans having a fight on a sandbar, and forced invasion cosplay.
I hate north shore nazis.
(I suppose they came down from the north coast somewhere. possibly not S’nives.)
Date: 27/01/2024 16:19:34
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2118638
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-25/eighty-years-since-forced-first-fleet-reenactment/9358854
Link
It’s all very sad. Neo-Nazis on Sydney trains, bogans having a fight on a sandbar, and forced invasion cosplay.
I hate north shore nazis.
(I suppose they came down from the north coast somewhere. possibly not S’nives.)
The guy in charge is from Melbourne.
Date: 27/01/2024 16:21:25
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2118639
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
It’s all very sad. Neo-Nazis on Sydney trains, bogans having a fight on a sandbar, and forced invasion cosplay.
I hate north shore nazis.
(I suppose they came down from the north coast somewhere. possibly not S’nives.)
The guy in charge is from Melbourne.
Aah.
not Ballarat?
Date: 27/01/2024 16:35:14
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2118647
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
I hate north shore nazis.
(I suppose they came down from the north coast somewhere. possibly not S’nives.)
The guy in charge is from Melbourne.
Aah.
not Ballarat?
They got what they wanted, courtesy of the media.
Publicity.
Date: 28/01/2024 07:42:15
From: OCDC
ID: 2118758
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
Date: 28/01/2024 07:43:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118759
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
In their own words?
Date: 28/01/2024 07:49:13
From: OCDC
ID: 2118760
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
In their own words?
Yes. Many long interviews. Four letter words.
Date: 28/01/2024 07:52:06
From: OCDC
ID: 2118761
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
roughbarked said:OCDC said:This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
In their own words?
Yes. Many long interviews. Four letter words.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-28/behind-the-scenes-of-abc-political-docuseries-nemesis/103385524
Date: 28/01/2024 09:29:30
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2118776
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
Some people have a strange idea of fun.
Date: 28/01/2024 09:34:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118779
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:
This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
Some people have a strange idea of fun.
Sounds like torture to me.
Date: 28/01/2024 09:38:29
From: OCDC
ID: 2118781
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
Some people have a strange idea of fun.
What’s not fun about back-stabbing, as long as you’re not involved?
Date: 28/01/2024 09:43:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2118783
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OCDC said:This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
Some people have a strange idea of fun.
What’s not fun about back-stabbing, as long as you’re not involved?
If you are watching it, you are involved.
Date: 28/01/2024 10:16:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2118794
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Some people have a strange idea of fun.
What’s not fun about back-stabbing, as long as you’re not involved?
If you are watching it, you are involved.
The observer effect.
Date: 28/01/2024 11:17:01
From: buffy
ID: 2118812
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
We don’t think we can cope with both Abbott and ScoMo.
Date: 28/01/2024 12:20:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2118852
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OCDC said:This is going to be fun.
ABC docuseries Nemesis tells the inside story of nine years of Coalition government.
Watch the first episode of the ABC’s political docuseries Nemesis on Monday at 8pm on ABC TV and iview.
Some people have a strange idea of fun.
What’s not fun about back-stabbing, as long as you’re not involved?
Yeah, there’re not worth going to prison for.
Date: 29/01/2024 11:42:49
From: dv
ID: 2119121
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
Date: 29/01/2024 11:57:05
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119128
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
Roseville used to be very pretty.
Date: 29/01/2024 12:21:39
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119134
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
do I watch the liberal history tonight or do I save my sanity?
Date: 29/01/2024 12:22:38
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119135
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
Roseville used to be very pretty.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say ‘pretty’, but it was by no means ‘horrible’.
Date: 29/01/2024 12:23:11
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2119136
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
Date: 29/01/2024 12:25:10
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119138
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
Blimey, DS, you might have to go to the bank. Your usual fun money might not quite cover that.
Date: 29/01/2024 12:30:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119139
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
‘bout 20 years ago one of the locals inherited an undeveloped property in double bay. thought they would develop it. until they were informed of the costs to do so. they sold it.
Date: 29/01/2024 12:34:24
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2119141
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
do I watch the liberal history tonight or do I save my sanity?
I won’t be, I’d feel unclean.
Date: 29/01/2024 12:34:37
From: Ian
ID: 2119142
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
I drove through Double Pay last year. I was surprised how crappy the place looked. I guess the $5.7M houses don’t front New South Head Road.
Date: 29/01/2024 12:41:51
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2119145
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
Blimey, DS, you might have to go to the bank. Your usual fun money might not quite cover that.
yeah.. I may come up a bit short
Date: 29/01/2024 12:49:32
From: Michael V
ID: 2119151
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
Gosh. Going to buy any?
Date: 29/01/2024 13:19:38
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2119163
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/putting-our-feelers-out-developers-swoop-ahead-of-north-shore-rezoning-20240125-p5f026.html
From April, apartment buildings of up to six storeys will be permitted within 400 metres of those stations, regardless of whether the land is zoned for low, medium or high density residential, or as a local or commercial centre. It will also apply in heritage conservation areas.
Roseville resident Suzanne Napthali said she and her neighbours had been flooded with requests from developers in the weeks since the zoning changes were announced. The retired teacher, who lives alone in a five-bedroom house about 100 metres from the station, said she would be sad to leave her home of more than 50 years.
“But I do recognise that people need houses, so I’ll probably move on,” she said. “It’s better to build up around railway stations than take away nature or agricultural land.”
—-
Fucken boomers and their (checks notes) holistic and empathetic sense of societal need.
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
Gosh. Going to buy any?
no.. just had a friend move there… their rent is $3,500/week
Date: 29/01/2024 13:24:00
From: Cymek
ID: 2119166
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
Gosh. Going to buy any?
no.. just had a friend move there… their rent is $3,500/week
Those pesky young Liberals
Date: 29/01/2024 13:34:50
From: buffy
ID: 2119170
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
do I watch the liberal history tonight or do I save my sanity?
We have decided against it. I can cope with Malcolm. But not the other two. We will watch the very lightweight Jonathan Ross offering on SBS1 at 7.30pm. We’ve just done something that is very rare around here. Sat and watched the last two episodes of Blanca. Because we had two to go and they are two episode stories. And I knew we were coming to the end of the season and that they would cliffhanger episode 11. I would not have been able to sleep tonight without watching episode 12 to resolve the whole series. Done now. Acceptable denouement.
Date: 29/01/2024 13:35:33
From: dv
ID: 2119171
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
do I watch the liberal history tonight or do I save my sanity?
We have decided against it. I can cope with Malcolm. But not the other two. We will watch the very lightweight Jonathan Ross offering on SBS1 at 7.30pm. We’ve just done something that is very rare around here. Sat and watched the last two episodes of Blanca. Because we had two to go and they are two episode stories. And I knew we were coming to the end of the season and that they would cliffhanger episode 11. I would not have been able to sleep tonight without watching episode 12 to resolve the whole series. Done now. Acceptable denouement.
Well they’ve had too prime ministers called Mal. Grande and Petite.
Date: 29/01/2024 13:41:14
From: Michael V
ID: 2119175
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:
was looking at property in Double Bay on the weekend.. median price for a 3 bedroom house is $5.7M
Gosh. Going to buy any?
no.. just had a friend move there… their rent is $3,500/week
Heck!
Date: 29/01/2024 13:49:36
From: Woodie
ID: 2119176
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
do I watch the liberal history tonight or do I save my sanity?
We have decided against it. I can cope with Malcolm. But not the other two. We will watch the very lightweight Jonathan Ross offering on SBS1 at 7.30pm. We’ve just done something that is very rare around here. Sat and watched the last two episodes of Blanca. Because we had two to go and they are two episode stories. And I knew we were coming to the end of the season and that they would cliffhanger episode 11. I would not have been able to sleep tonight without watching episode 12 to resolve the whole series. Done now. Acceptable denouement.
Kylie is on the tele tonight. WOO HOO!! Luv ya Kyles!! 😍
Date: 29/01/2024 14:02:51
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119185
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
do I watch the liberal history tonight or do I save my sanity?
We have decided against it. I can cope with Malcolm. But not the other two. We will watch the very lightweight Jonathan Ross offering on SBS1 at 7.30pm. We’ve just done something that is very rare around here. Sat and watched the last two episodes of Blanca. Because we had two to go and they are two episode stories. And I knew we were coming to the end of the season and that they would cliffhanger episode 11. I would not have been able to sleep tonight without watching episode 12 to resolve the whole series. Done now. Acceptable denouement.
i think you’re right.
Date: 29/01/2024 16:07:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119244
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
buffy said:
sarahs mum said:
do I watch the liberal history tonight or do I save my sanity?
We have decided against it. I can cope with Malcolm. But not the other two. We will watch the very lightweight Jonathan Ross offering on SBS1 at 7.30pm. We’ve just done something that is very rare around here. Sat and watched the last two episodes of Blanca. Because we had two to go and they are two episode stories. And I knew we were coming to the end of the season and that they would cliffhanger episode 11. I would not have been able to sleep tonight without watching episode 12 to resolve the whole series. Done now. Acceptable denouement.
Well they’ve had too prime ministers called Mal. Grande and Petite.
sigh.
Date: 29/01/2024 16:42:38
From: dv
ID: 2119259
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
dv said:
buffy said:
We have decided against it. I can cope with Malcolm. But not the other two. We will watch the very lightweight Jonathan Ross offering on SBS1 at 7.30pm. We’ve just done something that is very rare around here. Sat and watched the last two episodes of Blanca. Because we had two to go and they are two episode stories. And I knew we were coming to the end of the season and that they would cliffhanger episode 11. I would not have been able to sleep tonight without watching episode 12 to resolve the whole series. Done now. Acceptable denouement.
Well they’ve had too prime ministers called Mal. Grande and Petite.
sigh.
I’m wasted here.
Date: 29/01/2024 17:05:38
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2119268
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Well they’ve had too prime ministers called Mal. Grande and Petite.
sigh.
I’m wasted here.
drugs or alcohol?
Date: 29/01/2024 17:26:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119272
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Well they’ve had too prime ministers called Mal. Grande and Petite.
sigh.
I’m wasted here.
Yep.
Date: 30/01/2024 00:22:49
From: dv
ID: 2119341
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 30/01/2024 00:27:19
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119342
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:

wrong fred.
Date: 30/01/2024 10:03:04
From: diddly-squat
ID: 2119379
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:

I mean, I don’t think they are implying that in this context they are the average citizens….
Date: 30/01/2024 10:32:33
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119388
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
diddly-squat said:
dv said:

I mean, I don’t think they are implying that in this context they are the average citizens….
‘Managerial class’ and ;everyday citizen’ are euphemisms for ‘rich people, like us’ and ‘everyone else’, respectively.
Date: 30/01/2024 20:02:32
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 2119640
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Caught in an infinite loop of proving who I am.
If I can, I’ll try inserting a go to, or an if then else.
An If then else can be handy when you need it.
Date: 30/01/2024 23:53:47
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119675
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024

eric scores the top of the Franklin Lib ticket.
I get to vote for him last. Again. But I fear he is not going away.
Date: 31/01/2024 10:28:17
From: kii
ID: 2119739
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 31/01/2024 10:39:08
From: OCDC
ID: 2119742
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
That’s a very generous allocation.
Date: 31/01/2024 10:47:30
From: dv
ID: 2119745
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:

I think this might be something I don’t understand
Date: 31/01/2024 10:57:42
From: kii
ID: 2119750
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
kii said:

I think this might be something I don’t understand
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Date: 31/01/2024 11:08:28
From: dv
ID: 2119752
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:

I think this might be something I don’t understand
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Is this a satirical comedy or did the real Barnaby say that?
Date: 31/01/2024 11:09:30
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119753
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Is this a satirical comedy or did the real Barnaby say that?
Would anyone be able to tell the difference?
Date: 31/01/2024 11:11:14
From: kii
ID: 2119754
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
I think this might be something I don’t understand
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Is this a satirical comedy or did the real Barnaby say that?
Real Barnaby.
Date: 31/01/2024 11:23:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2119761
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:

I think this might be something I don’t understand
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Date: 31/01/2024 12:02:28
From: dv
ID: 2119784
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:
dv said:
kii said:
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Is this a satirical comedy or did the real Barnaby say that?
Real Barnaby.
Kind of weird that he was deputy prime minister.
Date: 31/01/2024 12:04:05
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119787
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
kii said:
dv said:
Is this a satirical comedy or did the real Barnaby say that?
Real Barnaby.
Kind of weird that he was deputy prime minister.
That could plausibly be altered to ‘kind of weird, and he was deputy prime minister’.
Date: 31/01/2024 12:05:01
From: dv
ID: 2119789
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
dv said:
I think this might be something I don’t understand
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
Date: 31/01/2024 12:06:24
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119791
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
‘Third in sequence’, or ‘a third of something’?
Date: 31/01/2024 12:08:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2119792
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
How about “thirds”?
Date: 31/01/2024 12:09:30
From: JudgeMental
ID: 2119793
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
thriced
Date: 31/01/2024 12:10:04
From: Tamb
ID: 2119795
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
Second loser.
Date: 31/01/2024 12:12:17
From: Michael V
ID: 2119797
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
In the 1st episode of Nemesis Barnaby Joyce said the brain is divided into quadrants. He named 3.
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
Thirds. And one third, etc.
Date: 31/01/2024 12:15:54
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2119801
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
How about “thirds”?
Also the Internet says there are 8 types of intelligence, not 3 or 4.
Date: 31/01/2024 12:17:56
From: dv
ID: 2119803
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
‘Third in sequence’, or ‘a third of something’?
Third of something. Like quadrant is to 4 as ? Is to 3. But I’ve already settled on Riding. Barnaby’s theory of mental ridings.
Date: 31/01/2024 12:45:49
From: Cymek
ID: 2119815
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Well if you are going to divide a brain into quadrants, having one quadrant as ???? makes perfect sense to me.
OTOH, that’s probably not what Barnaby meant.
Is there a similarly fancy word for third?
Thirds. And one third, etc.
Triumvirate
Date: 31/01/2024 13:28:02
From: Ian
ID: 2119826
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:

?????… Shit for brains
Date: 31/01/2024 16:23:27
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119871
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/jan/31/what-does-barnaby-know-that-we-do-not-does-the-secret-lie-in-the-mysterious-fourth-quadrant
Date: 31/01/2024 16:28:24
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119874
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bruce Lehrmann inquiry head spent 7.5 hours over 55 phone calls to The Australian during probe, court told
Lawyer argues Walter Sofronoff’s phone calls to Janet Albrechtsen show an ‘apprehension of bias’ against former ACT director of public prosecutions Shane Drumgold
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/jan/31/bruce-lehrmann-inquiry-walter-sofronoff-phone-calls-the-australian-shane-drumgold
Date: 31/01/2024 16:46:26
From: kii
ID: 2119877
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/jan/31/what-does-barnaby-know-that-we-do-not-does-the-secret-lie-in-the-mysterious-fourth-quadrant
It’s beyond hysterical. Maybe his 4th quadrant is where he keeps his beer keg?
Date: 31/01/2024 16:58:17
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119879
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/jan/31/what-does-barnaby-know-that-we-do-not-does-the-secret-lie-in-the-mysterious-fourth-quadrant
It’s beyond hysterical. Maybe his 4th quadrant is where he keeps his beer keg?
The ash try for his cigars.
Date: 31/01/2024 17:58:31
From: Michael V
ID: 2119887
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/jan/31/what-does-barnaby-know-that-we-do-not-does-the-secret-lie-in-the-mysterious-fourth-quadrant
Ta.
Date: 31/01/2024 19:18:19
From: dv
ID: 2119952
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Matter of fact, can anyone remember why Barnaby was brought back as Nationals leader?
He was pushed out in in a scandal that was both professional and personal. Then three years later they dump McCormick and bring back BJ because of … reasons?
DGMW, McCormick is also a piece of shit but it’s not as though there was some crisis that meant they had to prize open the emergency clown locker and re-elevate Barnaby.
Date: 31/01/2024 19:21:00
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2119955
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Matter of fact, can anyone remember why Barnaby was brought back as Nationals leader?
He was pushed out in in a scandal that was both professional and personal. Then three years later they dump McCormick and bring back BJ because of … reasons? DGMW, McCormick is also a piece of shit but it’s not as though there was some crisis that meant they had to prize open the emergency clown locker and re-elevate Barnaby.
It was done while Morrison was out of the country, as it was partly a show-piece demonstration to the Liberal that the Nats would do as they please, when they please, without reference to the Libs, and the Libs would just have to suck it up.
Date: 31/01/2024 19:28:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119962
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Matter of fact, can anyone remember why Barnaby was brought back as Nationals leader?
He was pushed out in in a scandal that was both professional and personal. Then three years later they dump McCormick and bring back BJ because of … reasons? DGMW, McCormick is also a piece of shit but it’s not as though there was some crisis that meant they had to prize open the emergency clown locker and re-elevate Barnaby.
The door was left open and blank. The Nationals were at a loss and reeling. Because Barnaby had always been in that opening beforehand and their ranks didn’t have a suitable replacement..
Date: 31/01/2024 19:29:06
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119963
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Matter of fact, can anyone remember why Barnaby was brought back as Nationals leader?
He was pushed out in in a scandal that was both professional and personal. Then three years later they dump McCormick and bring back BJ because of … reasons? DGMW, McCormick is also a piece of shit but it’s not as though there was some crisis that meant they had to prize open the emergency clown locker and re-elevate Barnaby.
It was done while Morrison was out of the country, as it was partly a show-piece demonstration to the Liberal that the Nats would do as they please, when they please, without reference to the Libs, and the Libs would just have to suck it up.
True.
and the damage Barnaby did during that time is still trying to be cleaned up.
Date: 31/01/2024 19:30:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2119965
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Matter of fact, can anyone remember why Barnaby was brought back as Nationals leader?
He was pushed out in in a scandal that was both professional and personal. Then three years later they dump McCormick and bring back BJ because of … reasons? DGMW, McCormick is also a piece of shit but it’s not as though there was some crisis that meant they had to prize open the emergency clown locker and re-elevate Barnaby.
It was done while Morrison was out of the country, as it was partly a show-piece demonstration to the Liberal that the Nats would do as they please, when they please, without reference to the Libs, and the Libs would just have to suck it up.
True.
and the damage Barnaby did during that time is still trying to be cleaned up.
But Barnaby’s new lady has now got a gig with Skynews.
Date: 31/01/2024 19:37:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2119967
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
It was done while Morrison was out of the country, as it was partly a show-piece demonstration to the Liberal that the Nats would do as they please, when they please, without reference to the Libs, and the Libs would just have to suck it up.
True.
and the damage Barnaby did during that time is still trying to be cleaned up.
But Barnaby’s new lady has now got a gig with Skynews.
Typical.
Date: 31/01/2024 19:55:49
From: Ian
ID: 2119980
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Matter of fact, can anyone remember why Barnaby was brought back as Nationals leader?
He was pushed out in in a scandal that was both professional and personal. Then three years later they dump McCormick and bring back BJ because of … reasons? DGMW, McCormick is also a piece of shit but it’s not as though there was some crisis that meant they had to prize open the emergency clown locker and re-elevate Barnaby.
McCormack was dull dull dull and boringly boring. Say what you like about Bbaaanaby he was colourful.. and as mad bad and dangerous as the Mad Monk.
Date: 31/01/2024 19:59:51
From: dv
ID: 2119981
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Ian said:
dv said:
Matter of fact, can anyone remember why Barnaby was brought back as Nationals leader?
He was pushed out in in a scandal that was both professional and personal. Then three years later they dump McCormick and bring back BJ because of … reasons? DGMW, McCormick is also a piece of shit but it’s not as though there was some crisis that meant they had to prize open the emergency clown locker and re-elevate Barnaby.
McCormack was dull dull dull and boringly boring. Say what you like about Bbaaanaby he was colourful.. and as mad bad and dangerous as the Mad Monk.
I would hope that Australia has evolved beyond preferring spectacular “colourful” leaders a la Trump and Bojo.
Date: 1/02/2024 11:44:20
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2120181
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
What the headline says:
“Better for most, but worse overall — what do the stage 3 changes mean for bracket creep and what are the alternatives?”
What the actual article says:
“Treasury Department advice shows the bottom 70 per cent of income earners will see a smaller increase in their average tax rates compared to under stage 3 within a decade.
That means bracket creep would reduce for those workers.”
So how is 70% having less bracket creep “worse overall”?
And no, that isn’t Sky News, it’s our bloody ABC.
Date: 1/02/2024 11:46:58
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2120182
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
What the headline says:
“Better for most, but worse overall — what do the stage 3 changes mean for bracket creep and what are the alternatives?”
What the actual article says:
“Treasury Department advice shows the bottom 70 per cent of income earners will see a smaller increase in their average tax rates compared to under stage 3 within a decade.
That means bracket creep would reduce for those workers.”
So how is 70% having less bracket creep “worse overall”?
And no, that isn’t Sky News, it’s our bloody ABC.
Maybe it’s their idea of “balance”.
Date: 1/02/2024 12:40:26
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2120200
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
What the headline says:
“Better for most, but worse overall — what do the stage 3 changes mean for bracket creep and what are the alternatives?”
What the actual article says:
“Treasury Department advice shows the bottom 70 per cent of income earners will see a smaller increase in their average tax rates compared to under stage 3 within a decade.
That means bracket creep would reduce for those workers.”
So how is 70% having less bracket creep “worse overall”?
And no, that isn’t Sky News, it’s our bloody ABC.
the abc has been more than thoroughly infiltrated by Murdoch cronies.
Date: 1/02/2024 13:35:02
From: dv
ID: 2120226
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What the headline says:
“Better for most, but worse overall — what do the stage 3 changes mean for bracket creep and what are the alternatives?”
What the actual article says:
“Treasury Department advice shows the bottom 70 per cent of income earners will see a smaller increase in their average tax rates compared to under stage 3 within a decade.
That means bracket creep would reduce for those workers.”
So how is 70% having less bracket creep “worse overall”?
And no, that isn’t Sky News, it’s our bloody ABC.
Maybe it’s their idea of “balance”.
You’d also have to question how something that’s better for most can be worse overall, and why “potential future bracket creep” would be considered a greater peril than a tax cut that mostly benefits people who don’t need one.
Date: 1/02/2024 13:39:59
From: dv
ID: 2120233
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What the headline says:
“Better for most, but worse overall — what do the stage 3 changes mean for bracket creep and what are the alternatives?”
What the actual article says:
“Treasury Department advice shows the bottom 70 per cent of income earners will see a smaller increase in their average tax rates compared to under stage 3 within a decade.
That means bracket creep would reduce for those workers.”
So how is 70% having less bracket creep “worse overall”?
And no, that isn’t Sky News, it’s our bloody ABC.
the abc has been more than thoroughly infiltrated by Murdoch cronies.
The Next ABC head is a former News Ltd CEO but in fairness he clashed with the Murdoch’s so much that he resigned after a year or so.
Date: 1/02/2024 13:51:07
From: Michael V
ID: 2120239
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-01/health-minister-fake-patients-colac-hospital-urgent-care/103413906
Date: 1/02/2024 13:51:21
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2120240
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What the headline says:
“Better for most, but worse overall — what do the stage 3 changes mean for bracket creep and what are the alternatives?”
What the actual article says:
“Treasury Department advice shows the bottom 70 per cent of income earners will see a smaller increase in their average tax rates compared to under stage 3 within a decade.
That means bracket creep would reduce for those workers.”
So how is 70% having less bracket creep “worse overall”?
And no, that isn’t Sky News, it’s our bloody ABC.
the abc has been more than thoroughly infiltrated by Murdoch cronies.
The Next ABC head is a former News Ltd CEO but in fairness he clashed with the Murdoch’s so much that he resigned after a year or so.
yeah. we’ll see. I live in hope.
Date: 1/02/2024 14:32:11
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2120259
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-01/health-minister-fake-patients-colac-hospital-urgent-care/103413906
LOL, never let a chance go by.
Date: 1/02/2024 14:37:37
From: dv
ID: 2120261
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-01/health-minister-fake-patients-colac-hospital-urgent-care/103413906
LOL, never let a chance go by.
??? Bloody why though? Is Mary such a big celebrity that they all wanted to touch her flesh and clasp her raiment?
Date: 1/02/2024 14:47:36
From: Michael V
ID: 2120275
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-01/health-minister-fake-patients-colac-hospital-urgent-care/103413906
LOL, never let a chance go by.
??? Bloody why though? Is Mary such a big celebrity that they all wanted to touch her flesh and clasp her raiment?
I’m guessing someone at the hospital was desperate to demonstrate how busy they normally were, when they weren’t really that busy at all. Budgets and stuff, political manoeuvring.
Date: 1/02/2024 16:29:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 2120342
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What the headline says:
“Better for most, but worse overall — what do the stage 3 changes mean for bracket creep and what are the alternatives?”
What the actual article says:
“Treasury Department advice shows the bottom 70 per cent of income earners will see a smaller increase in their average tax rates compared to under stage 3 within a decade.
That means bracket creep would reduce for those workers.”
So how is 70% having less bracket creep “worse overall”?
And no, that isn’t Sky News, it’s our bloody ABC.
Maybe it’s their idea of “balance”.
You’d also have to question how something that’s better for most can be worse overall, and why “potential future bracket creep” would be considered a greater peril than a tax cut that mostly benefits people who don’t need one.
Did you read the artricle about bracket creep?
Date: 1/02/2024 17:06:50
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2120358
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
dv said:
You’d also have to question how something that’s better for most can be worse overall, and why “potential future bracket creep” would be considered a greater peril than a tax cut that mostly benefits people who don’t need one.
Did you read the artricle about bracket creep?
Hmm…has Kim Williams taken over as ABC Chairman yet?
Date: 1/02/2024 17:19:01
From: dv
ID: 2120363
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Maybe it’s their idea of “balance”.
You’d also have to question how something that’s better for most can be worse overall, and why “potential future bracket creep” would be considered a greater peril than a tax cut that mostly benefits people who don’t need one.
Did you read the artricle about bracket creep?
Yes
Date: 1/02/2024 18:00:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2120390
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
You’d also have to question how something that’s better for most can be worse overall, and why “potential future bracket creep” would be considered a greater peril than a tax cut that mostly benefits people who don’t need one.
Did you read the artricle about bracket creep?
Yes
Good
Date: 2/02/2024 07:34:51
From: roughbarked
ID: 2120494
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Date: 2/02/2024 19:56:07
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2120927
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
02 February 2024
Jeremy Rockliff’s ultimatum to Liberal defectors: cooperate or face early election | The Examiner | Launceston, TAS
Premier Jeremy Rockliff. Picture by Katri Strooband
Premier Jeremy Rockliff is threatening to call an early election unless Liberal defectors John Tucker and Lara Alexander change their ways.
An early morning statement from Mr Rockliff made clear he would blame an early election call on the pair, who quit the party and government last year, forcing the government into minority.
Tasmanian Liberal MPs John Tucker and Lara Alexander have defected to become independents over transparency issues including those surrounding the deal struck with the federal government for the state AFL team’s stadium – throwing the party into minority government.
He said the parliament was becoming unworkable.
“Tasmanians voted for certainty and stability and that’s what the Tasmanian Liberal government intends to deliver,” Mr Rockliff said.
“While it remains my intent for the parliament to go full term, recent statements from the former Liberal members, John Tucker and Lara Alexander, have given me pause to consider the best way forward for our state.
“In mid-January, Mr Tucker wrote to me confirming in writing his threat to withdraw confidence and supply unless I acceded to his latest demands.\
“The truth is, it has become clear that Mr Tucker and Mrs Alexander are no longer honouring the memorandum of understanding they signed in May last year that promised to provide the stability and certainty that Tasmanians need.
“As a result, the Parliament is becoming unworkable.”
Mr Rockliff accused the pair of continuing to shift the goalposts.
“Their support for such political motions by Labor and the Greens, coupled with repeated statements about bringing down the government, is bad for business and investor confidence, and is damaging Tasmania.
“I will not allow the government or Tasmanians to be held to ransom.”
Mr Rockliff said he had written to the pair proposing a new agreement, that:
“I am confident that such a new agreement would provide Tasmanians with the stability and certainty they voted for, while allowing the independents to continue to raise issues, concerns and proposals on behalf of their constituents,” Mr Rockliff said.
“There is much to be done for Tasmanians in the year ahead, and I have no intention of going to an early election if one can be avoided.
“I am hopeful of a positive outcome and that a workable new agreement can be agreed to and continually honoured by Mr Tucker and Mrs Alexander.”
Unless called earlier, the election must be held by mid-2025.
Date: 2/02/2024 19:59:57
From: dv
ID: 2120934
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
“Jeremy Rockliff’s ultimatum to Liberal defectors: cooperate or face early election”
My dude… they are threatening YOU with an early election. This is a weird stand-off.
Date: 2/02/2024 20:01:49
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2120935
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
“Jeremy Rockliff’s ultimatum to Liberal defectors: cooperate or face early election”
My dude… they are threatening YOU with an early election. This is a weird stand-off.
He’s not a rocket professor.
Date: 28/02/2024 09:39:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 2129973
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Every now and then we get a reminder that Parliament House isn’t a standard workplace.
Today’s was Independent MPs Bob Katter and Andrew Wilkie in inflatable pig suits eating from troughs of pretend money.
It was a stunt to announce a press conference on profits of major supermarkets.
We’ll bring you an update from that press conference later this morning.
Until then, please enjoy this incredible footage.
Date: 28/02/2024 10:05:07
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2129976
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
roughbarked said:
Every now and then we get a reminder that Parliament House isn’t a standard workplace.
Today’s was Independent MPs Bob Katter and Andrew Wilkie in inflatable pig suits eating from troughs of pretend money.
It was a stunt to announce a press conference on profits of major supermarkets.
We’ll bring you an update from that press conference later this morning.
Until then, please enjoy this incredible footage.
If anyone’s qualified to comment on snouts in troughs, it’s Members of parliament.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:09:01
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 2130061
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

Date: 28/02/2024 13:34:02
From: roughbarked
ID: 2130066
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

Man, isn’t that a high horse.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:46:18
From: dv
ID: 2130071
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:50:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2130075
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
And laughing at the reaction they get from left wing nutters.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:53:22
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2130076
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
I don’t think she’d find that undead depiction terribly flattering.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:54:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2130077
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
“On 27 February 2024, Kelly left the UAP to join Pauline Hanson’s One Nation as the party’s federal campaign director.”
didn’t know that.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:55:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2130078
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
And laughing at the reaction they get from left wing nutters.
But Mrs Kelleys little boy Craig has some serious issues.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:55:18
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2130079
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
And laughing at the reaction they get from left wing nutters.
and the lefties sniggering at the rwnj who think their comment relevant.
Date: 28/02/2024 13:59:15
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 2130082
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
And laughing at the reaction they get from left wing nutters.
and the lefties sniggering at the rwnj who think their comment relevant.
lol
Date: 28/02/2024 13:59:42
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2130083
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
“On 27 February 2024, Kelly left the UAP to join Pauline Hanson’s One Nation as the party’s federal campaign director.”
didn’t know that.
I thought clive had shut down uap?
Date: 28/02/2024 14:04:04
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2130086
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
And laughing at the reaction they get from left wing nutters.
and the lefties sniggering at the rwnj who think their comment relevant.
lol
You wait Boris! Wookie will be in shortly to defend PWM!
Date: 28/02/2024 14:05:19
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2130087
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
and the lefties sniggering at the rwnj who think their comment relevant.
lol
You wait Boris! Wookie will be in shortly to defend PWM!
goodo. I don’t read his posts.
Date: 28/02/2024 14:07:35
From: captain_spalding
ID: 2130088
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
“On 27 February 2024, Kelly left the UAP to join Pauline Hanson’s One Nation as the party’s federal campaign director.”
didn’t know that.
I thought clive had shut down uap?
Yeah, shut yer uap, Clive.
Date: 28/02/2024 14:53:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2130093
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

oooo yucky.
Date: 28/02/2024 15:27:02
From: dv
ID: 2130102
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
And I’ve lost some brain cells after seeing this.

I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
“On 27 February 2024, Kelly left the UAP to join Pauline Hanson’s One Nation as the party’s federal campaign director.”
didn’t know that.
It’s pretty fresh news
Date: 28/02/2024 15:28:31
From: dv
ID: 2130104
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I wonder whether these people are just taking the piss at this point.
And laughing at the reaction they get from left wing nutters.
But Mrs Kelleys little boy Craig has some serious issues.
For all the criticism of Morrison, he did a fine job of pushing the nutters to the back of, or out of, the Liberal party.
Date: 28/02/2024 15:45:30
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2130114
Subject: re: Australian politics - January 2024
Honest Government Ad | Whistleblowers (STFU)
thejuicemedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU
——
that’s hitting the shitfuckery on the head.