Date: 14/01/2024 16:43:15
From: dv
ID: 2114369
Subject: protein

There are thousands of proteins in the human body. They are constructed from amino acids. Humans can synthesis most requires amino acids but 9 of them must be obtained in the diet: histidine, leucine, lysine, isoleucine, methionine, trytophan, phenylalanine, threonine, valine.
Each of these is required for manufacturing different (though intersecting) sets of proteins. Each has a separate recommended daily intake. Because there is some redundancy in the functions of some of the proteins in the human body, the requirements are somewhat interactive: a deficiency in one AA can partly be made up for by excess intake in others, but a lack of any one of them will result in death.
2 to 3 months without protein will result in death.

The recommended intake for adults varies a bit with various factors but it’s broadly in the vicinity of 0.75 g per kg body mass. Different agencies give different numbers but it’s always somewhere around there. (Some sources prefer to give the figure of 1.2 g per kg lean body mass, since added a bunch of excess fat to a body doesn’t increase the protein requirement linearly. )

Protein deficiency in children has life long irreparable effects including stunted growth, incomplete brain development, and sensory and immune issues etc.

In adults, the effects are often reversible, unless you’re dead I suppose. They include immune deficiency, poor recovery from fractures, muscle mass loss (duh), edema, fatigue and lethargy, loss of mental acuity (brain fog) and irritability, enlarged liver.

Protein deficiency is very rare in Australia, where most people consume protein far beyond RDI.
Even among Australian vegans (see below), average protein intake was 81 g per day for men and 54 g per day for women: certainly a bit below the averages for Australian omnomnomnivores but still above RDI.

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2013/199/4/protein-and-vegetarian-diets

If you’re a dude of average Australian height with moderate activity your requirement might be around 68 g and it is surprisingly easy to get this on a vegan diet. Morning cup of muesli 10 g, with a cup of soy milk on it 3 g. Lunchtime bowl of chili beans, 18 g. Serving of fried tempeh and vegetables 27 g. That leaves 10 g to be obtained from any drinks or fruit/veg, snacks, sides etc. There’s a bit of protein in all foods.

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Friend roughbarked has said:
“I’m sure I’ve worked harder than trans and I still wouldn’t have consumed 60gm per day again for many decades.”
I think you might be underestimating your protein intake. If it is not too much of an intrusion, could you give us a rough accounting of your daily eats and drinks?

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Date: 14/01/2024 16:46:59
From: OCDC
ID: 2114371
Subject: re: protein

dv said:

There are thousands of proteins in the human body. They are constructed from amino acids. Humans can synthesis most requires amino acids but 9 of them must be obtained in the diet: histidine, leucine, lysine, isoleucine, methionine, trytophan, phenylalanine, threonine, valine.
Each of these is required for manufacturing different (though intersecting) sets of proteins. Each has a separate recommended daily intake. Because there is some redundancy in the functions of some of the proteins in the human body, the requirements are somewhat interactive: a deficiency in one AA can partly be made up for by excess intake in others, but a lack of any one of them will result in death.
2 to 3 months without protein will result in death.

The recommended intake for adults varies a bit with various factors but it’s broadly in the vicinity of 0.75 g per kg body mass. Different agencies give different numbers but it’s always somewhere around there. (Some sources prefer to give the figure of 1.2 g per kg lean body mass, since added a bunch of excess fat to a body doesn’t increase the protein requirement linearly. )

Protein deficiency in children has life long irreparable effects including stunted growth, incomplete brain development, and sensory and immune issues etc.

In adults, the effects are often reversible, unless you’re dead I suppose. They include immune deficiency, poor recovery from fractures, muscle mass loss (duh), edema, fatigue and lethargy, loss of mental acuity (brain fog) and irritability, enlarged liver.

Protein deficiency is very rare in Australia, where most people consume protein far beyond RDI.
Even among Australian vegans (see below), average protein intake was 81 g per day for men and 54 g per day for women: certainly a bit below the averages for Australian omnomnomnivores but still above RDI.

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2013/199/4/protein-and-vegetarian-diets

If you’re a dude of average Australian height with moderate activity your requirement might be around 68 g and it is surprisingly easy to get this on a vegan diet. Morning cup of muesli 10 g, with a cup of soy milk on it 3 g. Lunchtime bowl of chili beans, 18 g. Serving of fried tempeh and vegetables 27 g. That leaves 10 g to be obtained from any drinks or fruit/veg, snacks, sides etc. There’s a bit of protein in all foods.

——

Friend roughbarked has said:
“I’m sure I’ve worked harder than trans and I still wouldn’t have consumed 60gm per day again for many decades.”
I think you might be underestimating your protein intake. If it is not too much of an intrusion, could you give us a rough accounting of your daily eats and drinks?

I had this exact thought late last night, so thank you for saving me having to thread it myself.

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Date: 14/01/2024 16:50:11
From: dv
ID: 2114372
Subject: re: protein

Ci scusiamo per gli errori tipografici.

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Date: 14/01/2024 17:07:23
From: AussieDJ
ID: 2114381
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


Ci scusiamo per gli errori tipografici.

S’okay.

omnomnomnivores

I rather liked the nom nom part, taking it to mean anything delicious.

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Date: 15/01/2024 08:53:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114510
Subject: re: protein

If you’re a dude of average Australian height with moderate activity your requirement might be around 68 g and it is surprisingly easy to get this on a vegan diet. Morning cup of muesli 10 g, with a cup of soy milk on it 3 g. Lunchtime bowl of chili beans, 18 g. Serving of fried tempeh and vegetables 27 g. That leaves 10 g to be obtained from any drinks or fruit/veg, snacks, sides etc. There’s a bit of protein in all foods.

——

Friend roughbarked has said:
“I’m sure I’ve worked harder than trans and I still wouldn’t have consumed 60gm per day again for many decades.”
I think you might be underestimating your protein intake. If it is not too much of an intrusion, could you give us a rough accounting of your daily eats and drinks?

I don’t eat museli, I don’t eat any breakfast generally, only a couple of cups of coffee.
I only use milk in coffee.
I don’t drink or use soy milk.
I’ve never eaten chilli beans on purpose. Except maybe something similar at an Indian restaurant about three times a year.
I don’t eat tempeh and can’t stand tofu. I eat maybe six eggs a year.

I do eat fruit and I do eat beans but mostly unadorned. Like with gren beans maybe a bit of butter and garlic at best.
I do eat fruit and nuts and grains along with vegetables.

Probably the steak and eggs I eat comes from Coopers top fermented ale(because the yeast is still in the bottle).

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Date: 15/01/2024 08:57:45
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114511
Subject: re: protein

My eating of nuts is limited in that one can only eat so many nuts as most of them contain little or no fibre and I’m nont fond of constipation.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:04:09
From: OCDC
ID: 2114513
Subject: re: protein

You’re deliberately missing the point, which is that pretty much all plant food contains protein. But that’s okay, we know you work harder and eat less than anyone else here.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:06:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114515
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


You’re deliberately missing the point, which is that pretty much all plant food contains protein. But that’s okay, we know you work harder and eat less than anyone else here.

:) Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bthering to count the proteins. I’m sure that I probably have spent more time dehydrating and bent over in the sun than most or all of those here.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:14:22
From: kii
ID: 2114516
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


OCDC said:

You’re deliberately missing the point, which is that pretty much all plant food contains protein. But that’s okay, we know you work harder and eat less than anyone else here.

:) Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bthering to count the proteins. I’m sure that I probably have spent more time dehydrating and bent over in the sun than most or all of those here.

Luckily I’ve already made a bowl of popcorn.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:19:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114520
Subject: re: protein

kii said:


roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

You’re deliberately missing the point, which is that pretty much all plant food contains protein. But that’s okay, we know you work harder and eat less than anyone else here.

:) Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bthering to count the proteins. I’m sure that I probably have spent more time dehydrating and bent over in the sun than most or all of those here.

Luckily I’ve already made a bowl of popcorn.

Has that got much protein in it? Anyway, I’m no fan of popcorn either.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:26:06
From: Michael V
ID: 2114523
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


kii said:

roughbarked said:

:) Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bthering to count the proteins. I’m sure that I probably have spent more time dehydrating and bent over in the sun than most or all of those here.

Luckily I’ve already made a bowl of popcorn.

Has that got much protein in it? Anyway, I’m no fan of popcorn either.

About 11%, according to the electric internet.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:34:11
From: Michael V
ID: 2114525
Subject: re: protein

Michael V said:


roughbarked said:

kii said:

Luckily I’ve already made a bowl of popcorn.

Has that got much protein in it? Anyway, I’m no fan of popcorn either.

About 11%, according to the electric internet.

Bread: about 9%.

Potatoes: about 3%.

Green beans: about 2%

Rice: about 3%

Oranges: about 1%

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:39:27
From: Michael V
ID: 2114527
Subject: re: protein

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Has that got much protein in it? Anyway, I’m no fan of popcorn either.

About 11%, according to the electric internet.

Bread: about 9%.

Potatoes: about 3%.

Green beans: about 2%

Rice: about 3%

Oranges: about 1%

Mushrooms: about 3%

Cabbage: about 1%

Silver beet: about 1%

etc.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:46:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114531
Subject: re: protein

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Has that got much protein in it? Anyway, I’m no fan of popcorn either.

About 11%, according to the electric internet.

Bread: about 9%.

Potatoes: about 3%.

Green beans: about 2%

Rice: about 3%

Oranges: about 1%

So I’m really going to have to quaff a lot of any of that to get to 60 or 80 grams.

I’m not a big eater.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:49:46
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114535
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


Michael V said:

Michael V said:

About 11%, according to the electric internet.

Bread: about 9%.

Potatoes: about 3%.

Green beans: about 2%

Rice: about 3%

Oranges: about 1%

So I’m really going to have to quaff a lot of any of that to get to 60 or 80 grams.

I’m not a big eater.

Though I do eat bread, it is really only a couple of slices a day on average.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:54:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114536
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Bread: about 9%.

Potatoes: about 3%.

Green beans: about 2%

Rice: about 3%

Oranges: about 1%

So I’m really going to have to quaff a lot of any of that to get to 60 or 80 grams.

I’m not a big eater.

Though I do eat bread, it is really only a couple of slices a day on average.

I do eat a fair amount of cheese but again it is only a couple of thin slices off the block on one or two slices of bread.
I can make ricotta the peasant’s way but I’m not overly fond of it and never buy that much milk in one go.

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Date: 15/01/2024 09:56:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114537
Subject: re: protein

However, as Alex asked, I should probably do a dietary calendar of what I eat and when. Because I am still reasonably sue that I don’t eat anywhere near enough of it to meet the standards.

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Date: 15/01/2024 10:54:05
From: buffy
ID: 2114564
Subject: re: protein

Michael V said:


Michael V said:

roughbarked said:

Has that got much protein in it? Anyway, I’m no fan of popcorn either.

About 11%, according to the electric internet.

Bread: about 9%.

Potatoes: about 3%.

Green beans: about 2%

Rice: about 3%

Oranges: about 1%

ooh, oranges. I need to pick some oranges. And the single tangelo on the tree. It’s a baby tree. I let it have one fruit. This year it has set more.

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Date: 15/01/2024 11:21:12
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2114584
Subject: re: protein

Roughbarked says:

“Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bothering to count the proteins.”

…after saying:

“I still wouldn’t have consumed 60gm per day again for many decades.”

So we’ll take that as an admission that he was initially mistaken.

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Date: 15/01/2024 11:30:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114590
Subject: re: protein

Bubblecar said:


Roughbarked says:

“Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bothering to count the proteins.”

…after saying:

“I still wouldn’t have consumed 60gm per day again for many decades.”

So we’ll take that as an admission that he was initially mistaken.

I still think my statement stands because there is nil consistency in attempting to attain a level on any particular day. I didn’t actually say what I do consume and I’m still very sceptical about how much I eat.

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Date: 15/01/2024 11:34:27
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2114592
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

Roughbarked says:

“Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bothering to count the proteins.”

…after saying:

“I still wouldn’t have consumed 60gm per day again for many decades.”

So we’ll take that as an admission that he was initially mistaken.

I still think my statement stands because there is nil consistency in attempting to attain a level on any particular day. I didn’t actually say what I do consume and I’m still very sceptical about how much I eat.

So you’ve never bothered to count the proteins but you somehow know you wouldn’t have consumed 60gms per day for decades, and you’ve never lacked protein even though fewer than 60gm a day for decades is insufficient protein. OK.

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Date: 15/01/2024 11:34:47
From: ruby
ID: 2114593
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


However, as Alex asked, I should probably do a dietary calendar of what I eat and when. Because I am still reasonably sue that I don’t eat anywhere near enough of it to meet the standards.

Excellent.
Writing down what you eat every day for a week or so can be a valuable exercise. Totting up the calories or protein or linking up symptoms to different foods can be very revealing.
My dietician mother had great success with people who were motivated to make positive changes in their lives.

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Date: 15/01/2024 11:42:30
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114595
Subject: re: protein

ruby said:


roughbarked said:

However, as Alex asked, I should probably do a dietary calendar of what I eat and when. Because I am still reasonably sue that I don’t eat anywhere near enough of it to meet the standards.

Excellent.
Writing down what you eat every day for a week or so can be a valuable exercise. Totting up the calories or protein or linking up symptoms to different foods can be very revealing.
My dietician mother had great success with people who were motivated to make positive changes in their lives.

:) Well, since it is something I’ve never done, it may be worth the exercise.

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Date: 15/01/2024 12:01:50
From: dv
ID: 2114600
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


OCDC said:

You’re deliberately missing the point, which is that pretty much all plant food contains protein. But that’s okay, we know you work harder and eat less than anyone else here.

:) Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bthering to count the proteins. I’m sure that I probably have spent more time dehydrating and bent over in the sun than most or all of those here.

That’s probably right, fr fr no cap, but to sate my curiosity… can you count your protein for a day or so? Like do you know roughly how many grams of nuts and beans and grains and how many pieces of fruit?

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Date: 15/01/2024 12:16:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114609
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

You’re deliberately missing the point, which is that pretty much all plant food contains protein. But that’s okay, we know you work harder and eat less than anyone else here.

:) Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bthering to count the proteins. I’m sure that I probably have spent more time dehydrating and bent over in the sun than most or all of those here.

That’s probably right, fr fr no cap, but to sate my curiosity… can you count your protein for a day or so? Like do you know roughly how many grams of nuts and beans and grains and how many pieces of fruit?

Starting today, I’ve had two bananas and three cups of coffee. Thus far.

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Date: 15/01/2024 12:24:28
From: OCDC
ID: 2114624
Subject: re: protein

ruby said:

roughbarked said:
However, as Alex asked, I should probably do a dietary calendar of what I eat and when. Because I am still reasonably sue that I don’t eat anywhere near enough of it to meet the standards.
Excellent.
Writing down what you eat every day for a week or so can be a valuable exercise. Totting up the calories or protein or linking up symptoms to different foods can be very revealing.
My dietician mother had great success with people who were motivated to make positive changes in their lives.
Migraine is the only thing that made me consistently change my diet. Even a TIA before 40 was insufficient.

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Date: 15/01/2024 12:35:01
From: ruby
ID: 2114643
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


ruby said:
roughbarked said:
However, as Alex asked, I should probably do a dietary calendar of what I eat and when. Because I am still reasonably sue that I don’t eat anywhere near enough of it to meet the standards.
Excellent.
Writing down what you eat every day for a week or so can be a valuable exercise. Totting up the calories or protein or linking up symptoms to different foods can be very revealing.
My dietician mother had great success with people who were motivated to make positive changes in their lives.
Migraine is the only thing that made me consistently change my diet. Even a TIA before 40 was insufficient.

My brother’s diagnosis of type 2 diabetes and heart disease prompted him to make radical changes to his diet and exercise. He reversed both problems and now feels the best he has ever felt.
I always thought he would never do it as he was very fond of sugary treats, alcohol and chocolate. Just having a dietician mum is not enough, you actually have to follow the advice. Funny that.

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Date: 15/01/2024 12:35:54
From: dv
ID: 2114645
Subject: re: protein

Let’s keep it friendly, this isn’t an inquisition. I don’t think truculence leads to good data collection.

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Date: 15/01/2024 12:41:08
From: dv
ID: 2114652
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

:) Yes I am aware that I have never lacked protein without ever bthering to count the proteins. I’m sure that I probably have spent more time dehydrating and bent over in the sun than most or all of those here.

That’s probably right, fr fr no cap, but to sate my curiosity… can you count your protein for a day or so? Like do you know roughly how many grams of nuts and beans and grains and how many pieces of fruit?

Starting today, I’ve had two bananas and three cups of coffee. Thus far.

Milk in the coffee?

BTW… are you a vegetarian or just someone who rarely eats meat?

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Date: 15/01/2024 13:26:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114683
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

That’s probably right, fr fr no cap, but to sate my curiosity… can you count your protein for a day or so? Like do you know roughly how many grams of nuts and beans and grains and how many pieces of fruit?

Starting today, I’ve had two bananas and three cups of coffee. Thus far.

Milk in the coffee?

BTW… are you a vegetarian or just someone who rarely eats meat?

I have a dash of milk in the instant coffee yeah. I haven’t eaten a portion of any kind of meat since 1974.

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Date: 15/01/2024 13:52:57
From: dv
ID: 2114697
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Starting today, I’ve had two bananas and three cups of coffee. Thus far.

Milk in the coffee?

BTW… are you a vegetarian or just someone who rarely eats meat?

I have a dash of milk in the instant coffee yeah. I haven’t eaten a portion of any kind of meat since 1974.

Eggs?

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Date: 15/01/2024 14:16:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114707
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

Milk in the coffee?

BTW… are you a vegetarian or just someone who rarely eats meat?

I have a dash of milk in the instant coffee yeah. I haven’t eaten a portion of any kind of meat since 1974.

Eggs?

Maybe six a year. I also may eat pasta made with eggs sometimes?

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Date: 15/01/2024 14:29:04
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114718
Subject: re: protein

Add another banana and three mixed grain rice crisp cookies. The flax seed cannot be digested unless ground up and this doesn’t occur where the grain is in beads or biscuits. If I want flax seed I put the ground meal in my homemade breads. Add another cup of coffee. All this after a brisk walk of a couple of kilometres.

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Date: 15/01/2024 14:34:25
From: dv
ID: 2114724
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


Add another banana and three mixed grain rice crisp cookies. The flax seed cannot be digested unless ground up and this doesn’t occur where the grain is in beads or biscuits. If I want flax seed I put the ground meal in my homemade breads. Add another cup of coffee. All this after a brisk walk of a couple of kilometres.

Did you make the cookies yourself or are they a brand and if the latter, what brand?

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Date: 15/01/2024 14:45:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114730
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


roughbarked said:

Add another banana and three mixed grain rice crisp cookies. The flax seed cannot be digested unless ground up and this doesn’t occur where the grain is in beads or biscuits. If I want flax seed I put the ground meal in my homemade breads. Add another cup of coffee. All this after a brisk walk of a couple of kilometres.

Did you make the cookies yourself or are they a brand and if the latter, what brand?

Got them off the shelf in Aldi. Have thrown the packet, do you want me to dig in the bin?

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Date: 15/01/2024 15:19:23
From: roughbarked
ID: 2114737
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Add another banana and three mixed grain rice crisp cookies. The flax seed cannot be digested unless ground up and this doesn’t occur where the grain is in beads or biscuits. If I want flax seed I put the ground meal in my homemade breads. Add another cup of coffee. All this after a brisk walk of a couple of kilometres.

Did you make the cookies yourself or are they a brand and if the latter, what brand?

Got them off the shelf in Aldi. Have thrown the packet, do you want me to dig in the bin?

Here you go.

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Date: 15/01/2024 16:59:47
From: dv
ID: 2114765
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


dv said:

roughbarked said:

Add another banana and three mixed grain rice crisp cookies. The flax seed cannot be digested unless ground up and this doesn’t occur where the grain is in beads or biscuits. If I want flax seed I put the ground meal in my homemade breads. Add another cup of coffee. All this after a brisk walk of a couple of kilometres.

Did you make the cookies yourself or are they a brand and if the latter, what brand?

Got them off the shelf in Aldi. Have thrown the packet, do you want me to dig in the bin?

Yes. It will have the exact amount of protein on the label.

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Date: 15/01/2024 20:20:23
From: Ogmog
ID: 2114813
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


If you’re a dude of average Australian height with moderate activity your requirement might be around 68 g and it is surprisingly easy to get this on a vegan diet. Morning cup of muesli 10 g, with a cup of soy milk on it 3 g. Lunchtime bowl of chili beans, 18 g. Serving of fried tempeh and vegetables 27 g. That leaves 10 g to be obtained from any drinks or fruit/veg, snacks, sides etc. There’s a bit of protein in all foods.

——

Friend roughbarked has said:
“I’m sure I’ve worked harder than trans and I still wouldn’t have consumed 60gm per day again for many decades.”
I think you might be underestimating your protein intake. If it is not too much of an intrusion, could you give us a rough accounting of your daily eats and drinks?

I don’t eat museli, I don’t eat any breakfast generally, only a couple of cups of coffee.
I only use milk in coffee.
I don’t drink or use soy milk.
I’ve never eaten chilli beans on purpose. Except maybe something similar at an Indian restaurant about three times a year.
I don’t eat tempeh and can’t stand tofu. I eat maybe six eggs a year.

I do eat fruit and I do eat beans but mostly unadorned. Like with gren beans maybe a bit of butter and garlic at best.
I do eat fruit and nuts and grains along with vegetables.

Probably the steak and eggs I eat comes from Coopers top fermented ale(because the yeast is still in the bottle).

Australian Sparkling Ale

Characteristic Ingredients

Lightly kilned Australian 2-row pale malt, lager varieties may be used. Small amounts of crystal malt for color adjustment only. Modern examples use no adjuncts, cane sugar for priming only. Historical examples using 45% 2 row, 30% higher protein malt (6 row) would use around 25% sugar to dilute the nitrogen content. Traditionally used Australian hops, Cluster, and Goldings until replaced from mid-1960s by Pride of Ringwood. Highly attenuative Burton-type yeast (Australian-type strain typical). Variable water profile, typically with low carbonate and moderate sulfate.

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Date: 17/01/2024 00:07:05
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115215
Subject: re: protein

Made a nice soup this eve because I’ve got too much broccoli, zucchini, beans and potatoes, I put a couple of spuds and one of the bigger ronde zucchini, some green beans and broccoli, leek and garlic all from the garden. A stock cube and slowly mashed up a bit by hand when it got soft enough do it was soupy but also still some lumps to chew.
Verdict; very nice and I didn’t even put any herbs in.

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Date: 17/01/2024 08:54:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115236
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


Made a nice soup this eve because I’ve got too much broccoli, zucchini, beans and potatoes, I put a couple of spuds and one of the bigger ronde zucchini, some green beans and broccoli, leek and garlic all from the garden. A stock cube and slowly mashed up a bit by hand when it got soft enough do it was soupy but also still some lumps to chew.
Verdict; very nice and I didn’t even put any herbs in.

Also made this.

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Date: 17/01/2024 08:57:31
From: OCDC
ID: 2115238
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:
Made a nice soup this eve because I’ve got too much broccoli, zucchini, beans and potatoes, I put a couple of spuds and one of the bigger ronde zucchini, some green beans and broccoli, leek and garlic all from the garden. A stock cube and slowly mashed up a bit by hand when it got soft enough do it was soupy but also still some lumps to chew.
Verdict; very nice and I didn’t even put any herbs in.
Also made this.

Yum!

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Date: 17/01/2024 12:26:57
From: dv
ID: 2115284
Subject: re: protein

That thing looks like protein mcproteinface but also please be weighing these things.

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Date: 17/01/2024 12:45:08
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115289
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


That thing looks like protein mcproteinface but also please be weighing these things.

The bread was 400 gram loaf. German grain gread with added two dessert spoons of chia seeds and a dessert spoon of ground flax meal. A small handful of rolled oats which mostly fell off while getting it out of the oven but I ate them seperately.

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Date: 17/01/2024 12:50:28
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115293
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


dv said:

That thing looks like protein mcproteinface but also please be weighing these things.

The bread was 400 gram loaf. German grain gread with added two dessert spoons of chia seeds and a dessert spoon of ground flax meal. A small handful of rolled oats which mostly fell off while getting it out of the oven but I ate them seperately.

I’ll chuck this in here for relevance;
roughbarked said:


OCDC said:

Lunch report: rest of the dumplings, air fryered this time, with soy sauce

Have still got a bowl or two of the soup I made last night left and I can have a slice or two of my homemade bread with it. Buttered of course.

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Date: 17/01/2024 13:31:55
From: dv
ID: 2115307
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:


dv said:

That thing looks like protein mcproteinface but also please be weighing these things.

The bread was 400 gram loaf. German grain gread with added two dessert spoons of chia seeds and a dessert spoon of ground flax meal. A small handful of rolled oats which mostly fell off while getting it out of the oven but I ate them seperately.

That bread alone then has 33 g of protein.

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Date: 17/01/2024 14:34:00
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115328
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


roughbarked said:

dv said:

That thing looks like protein mcproteinface but also please be weighing these things.

The bread was 400 gram loaf. German grain gread with added two dessert spoons of chia seeds and a dessert spoon of ground flax meal. A small handful of rolled oats which mostly fell off while getting it out of the oven but I ate them seperately.

That bread alone then has 33 g of protein.

Yeah but I’m not going to be eating all that in one or even three or four days. Usually it goes mouldy before I finish it.

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Date: 17/01/2024 15:41:18
From: OCDC
ID: 2115388
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:

dv said:
roughbarked said:
The bread was 400 gram loaf. German grain gread with added two dessert spoons of chia seeds and a dessert spoon of ground flax meal. A small handful of rolled oats which mostly fell off while getting it out of the oven but I ate them seperately.
That bread alone then has 33 g of protein.
Yeah but I’m not going to be eating all that in one or even three or four days. Usually it goes mouldy before I finish it.
The bread I get has 25.5 grams of protein per two small slices.

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Date: 17/01/2024 16:01:19
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2115398
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


roughbarked said:
dv said:
That bread alone then has 33 g of protein.
Yeah but I’m not going to be eating all that in one or even three or four days. Usually it goes mouldy before I finish it.
The bread I get has 25.5 grams of protein per two small slices.

Is this keto friendly bread?

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Date: 17/01/2024 16:06:14
From: OCDC
ID: 2115400
Subject: re: protein

Witty Rejoinder said:

OCDC said:
roughbarked said:
Yeah but I’m not going to be eating all that in one or even three or four days. Usually it goes mouldy before I finish it.
The bread I get has 25.5 grams of protein per two small slices.
Is this keto friendly bread?
Yes.

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Date: 17/01/2024 16:08:21
From: OCDC
ID: 2115401
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:

Witty Rejoinder said:
OCDC said:
The bread I get has 25.5 grams of protein per two small slices.
Is this keto friendly bread?
Yes.
If you were fed it and not informed it was keto, you’d probably think it was a seeded rye bread.

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Date: 17/01/2024 16:43:13
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2115416
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


OCDC said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is this keto friendly bread?
Yes.
If you were fed it and not informed it was keto, you’d probably think it was a seeded rye bread.

Nice.

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Date: 17/01/2024 16:51:33
From: dv
ID: 2115419
Subject: re: protein

dv said:

loss of mental acuity (brain fog) and irritability

It’s partly because of roughbarked’s mental acuity than I expressed doubt that he has a protein-deficient diet.

If wookie told us that he lives solely on olive oil and Skittles, I’d just say “yeah that sounds about right.”

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Date: 17/01/2024 16:55:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115422
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


Witty Rejoinder said:
OCDC said:
The bread I get has 25.5 grams of protein per two small slices.
Is this keto friendly bread?
Yes.

Which bread is this?

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:03:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115430
Subject: re: protein

dv said:


dv said:

loss of mental acuity (brain fog) and irritability

It’s partly because of roughbarked’s mental acuity than I expressed doubt that he has a protein-deficient diet.

If wookie told us that he lives solely on olive oil and Skittles, I’d just say “yeah that sounds about right.”

:) Thanks for that comment. ;)

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:11:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115436
Subject: re: protein

Anyway, I ate the rest of that soup. It was only one bowl and I had only one slice of buttered bread with it.

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:41:22
From: OCDC
ID: 2115459
Subject: re: protein

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Is this keto friendly bread?
Yes.
Which bread is this?

I usually get it at coles but I think woollies has it too. There is another one that’s similar, I get whichever is cheaper. And there’s also a sourdough that’s nice. I think they might do buns too.

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:45:33
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2115466
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
Yes.
Which bread is this?

I usually get it at coles but I think woollies has it too. There is another one that’s similar, I get whichever is cheaper. And there’s also a sourdough that’s nice. I think they might do buns too.

Looks good. I’d add one to my Coles order (which can still be modified until 1am tonight) but their specials change today, so all the specials I’ve scored on the order would be lost (including such deals as $7.50 off another batch of drain cleaner).

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:46:41
From: OCDC
ID: 2115467
Subject: re: protein

Bubblecar said:

OCDC said:
roughbarked said:
Which bread is this?

I usually get it at coles but I think woollies has it too. There is another one that’s similar, I get whichever is cheaper. And there’s also a sourdough that’s nice. I think they might do buns too.

Looks good. I’d add one to my Coles order (which can still be modified until 1am tonight) but their specials change today, so all the specials I’ve scored on the order would be lost (including such deals as $7.50 off another batch of drain cleaner).
You should try it at some stage. Protein is better than carbs for satiety.

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:47:05
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2115468
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:

I usually get it at coles but I think woollies has it too. There is another one that’s similar, I get whichever is cheaper. And there’s also a sourdough that’s nice. I think they might do buns too.

Looks good. I’d add one to my Coles order (which can still be modified until 1am tonight) but their specials change today, so all the specials I’ve scored on the order would be lost (including such deals as $7.50 off another batch of drain cleaner).
You should try it at some stage. Protein is better than carbs for satiety.

That’s my general policy.

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:47:57
From: sarahs mum
ID: 2115469
Subject: re: protein

Bubblecar said:


OCDC said:

roughbarked said:
Which bread is this?

I usually get it at coles but I think woollies has it too. There is another one that’s similar, I get whichever is cheaper. And there’s also a sourdough that’s nice. I think they might do buns too.

Looks good. I’d add one to my Coles order (which can still be modified until 1am tonight) but their specials change today, so all the specials I’ve scored on the order would be lost (including such deals as $7.50 off another batch of drain cleaner).

next time. make a note.

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:50:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2115470
Subject: re: protein

sarahs mum said:


Bubblecar said:

OCDC said:

I usually get it at coles but I think woollies has it too. There is another one that’s similar, I get whichever is cheaper. And there’s also a sourdough that’s nice. I think they might do buns too.

Looks good. I’d add one to my Coles order (which can still be modified until 1am tonight) but their specials change today, so all the specials I’ve scored on the order would be lost (including such deals as $7.50 off another batch of drain cleaner).

next time. make a note.

I’ll be reminded by the Ryvita in my saved list in Metapad.

I continually open and modify the same order.

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Date: 17/01/2024 17:58:42
From: Ian
ID: 2115476
Subject: re: protein

Agave worms are rich in protein.. be RB’s secret I reckon

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Date: 17/01/2024 18:20:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115490
Subject: re: protein

OCDC said:


roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
Yes.
Which bread is this?

I usually get it at coles but I think woollies has it too. There is another one that’s similar, I get whichever is cheaper. And there’s also a sourdough that’s nice. I think they might do buns too.

OK I’ll have a look for it. Aldi have one similar If I recall correctly.

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Date: 17/01/2024 18:24:01
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115498
Subject: re: protein

Ian said:


Agave worms are rich in protein.. be RB’s secret I reckon

:) Oh indeed there must be a secret.

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Date: 18/01/2024 10:09:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115653
Subject: re: protein

Last night I had a bowl of apple crumble. Approx 1/4 of a Nanna’s apple crumble and a small chunk of plum pudding with a couple of spoons of Bulla ice cream.

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Date: 19/01/2024 06:35:44
From: roughbarked
ID: 2115958
Subject: re: protein

The conclusion from the Bath Breakfast Project?

Breakfast may or may not be the most important meal of the day, but it is certainly an important meal to investigate further.

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Date: 19/01/2024 12:27:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 2116012
Subject: re: protein

Yesterday arvo evening, I had one toasyed cheese and tomato on afore mentioned bread. Later, had six ricotta and spinach triangles. Shortly after was invited to a neighbourly person to eat two cobs of corn roasted on hot coals. Had three sparkling ales.

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