Date: 7/02/2024 06:12:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2122515
Subject: Numbers from sets?

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Date: 7/02/2024 07:57:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2122524
Subject: re: Numbers from sets?

mollwollfumble said:


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If you translate the funny symbols into words for us, I will respond with my profound thoughts on the question.

Or possibly just ask another question.

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Date: 7/02/2024 17:03:18
From: btm
ID: 2122676
Subject: re: Numbers from sets?

mollwollfumble said:


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Either you’re defining a new algebra, in which case the “0, 1, 2, ω” on the LHS of the equals sign are not numbers but symbols representing the sets, but then you also need to define the set your new algebra operates on, or the numbers on the LHS are the cardinalities of the sets, in which case your notation’s wrong. If the former, you need to supply more details of your algebra.

If the latter, |{}| = 0, |{0}| = 1, |{0,1}| = 2,
etc, to |{0,1,2,3,…}| == ω (=ℵ0),
then using set-theory notation to link cardinalities is meaningless. If you’re just mixing notations to produce some pretty text, that’s fine, but again is meaningless. Rewriting your equations,

A = {}
B = {0}
C = {0,1}
etc.
Then |A| = 0, |B| = 1, |C| = 2, etc; B is clearly not in C, although it is a subset of C. Note that in set theory vertical bars around a set indicates the cardinality of the set.

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