Date: 8/02/2024 10:11:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2122828
Subject: who invented satb - soprano alto tenor bass?

Mrs m is part of a choir that sings in four part harmony. S A T B.

I was wondering who invented it and when?

I heard once that S A T B was “in the style of Palestrina” but can’t see anything about its origins on the web.

Other possible contenders for the inventor of S A T B would include Bach, Byrd, Thomas Tallon and others.

Early 4 part harmony for voices included some masses and motets.

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Date: 8/02/2024 10:29:16
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2122829
Subject: re: who invented satb - soprano alto tenor bass?

I don’t think any single composer “invented” SATB. It became a common choral convention during the baroque era.

Apparently Palestrina’s settings were quite varied, depending on liturgical context:

>Performing editions and recordings of Palestrina have tended to favour his works in the more familiar modes and standard (SATB) voicings, under-representing the expressive variety of his settings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina#Music

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Date: 8/02/2024 10:35:00
From: transition
ID: 2122832
Subject: re: who invented satb - soprano alto tenor bass?

people out in the field probably, doing laborious labor, passing the passing time

anyways, on a more serious note, I went watched this

https://youtu.be/lIfxH2119cU?t=674
Notables #4: Intro to Soprano, Alto, Tenor, and Bass!

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Date: 8/02/2024 13:32:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2122969
Subject: re: who invented satb - soprano alto tenor bass?

Bubblecar said:


I don’t think any single composer “invented” SATB. It became a common choral convention during the baroque era.

Apparently Palestrina’s settings were quite varied, depending on liturgical context:

>Performing editions and recordings of Palestrina have tended to favour his works in the more familiar modes and standard (SATB) voicings, under-representing the expressive variety of his settings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina#Music

Voices are quite variable in for example in the works of William Byrd who has at least one SATB piece (unknown date) but many others with AATB and other variants. Byrd was writing circa 1589.

I’ve gone back to Domenico Ferrabosco, who wrote a large collection of 45 madrigals for four voices in the year 1542. Looking at the score of one of these, “Io mi son giovinette”, the pitches for the four voices certainly look like SATB, but the score I saw doesn’t explicitly say so.

Jacques Arcadelt, was a Franco-Flemish composer.
In the early 1540s he wrote a madrigal for four voices “Io dico che fra voi”. His several hundred madrigals, “composed over a span of at least two decades” were usually for four voices. “Arcadelt alternates homophonic and polyphonic textures in a state of of delicate labile equilibrium”. Many of Arcadelt’s pieces are now available in score for SATB.

Philippe Verdelot was the father of the Italian Madrigal.
His early madrigals are from the late 1520s but most of his pieces are for five or six voices.

Costanzo Festa.
Festa wrote for three or four voices.

I found an original SATB score here. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Costanzo_festa.jpg. The four headings specifically say “Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass”. The original was published in ca.1538, in Cappella Sistina 18 fols. 3 verso-4 recto. In other words written to be performed in the Sistine Chapel in Rome. “Polyphonic hymns and magnificats of Costanzo Festa”. “ This is the earliest surviving such collection by a single composer in the Vatican archive”.

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Date: 8/02/2024 13:48:46
From: Ian
ID: 2122975
Subject: re: who invented satb - soprano alto tenor bass?

So where did bars and time signatures originate?

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Date: 8/02/2024 15:03:06
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2122988
Subject: re: who invented satb - soprano alto tenor bass?

Ian said:


So where did bars and time signatures originate?

The earlier medieval mensural notation gave way to modern bars and time signatures in the 17th century, after an intermediate stage of “white mensuration” as depicted here in Thomas Morley’s Plaine and Easie Introduction to Practicall Musicke

The compilation of medieval instrumental dances I’m studying at the moment has no bars or time signatures in the modern sense, but the music is still reasonably easy to follow.

https://www.booktopia.com.au/medieval-instrumental-dances-timothy-j-mcgee/book/9780253333537.html

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Date: 8/02/2024 17:17:27
From: Ian
ID: 2123067
Subject: re: who invented satb - soprano alto tenor bass?

Bubblecar said:


Ian said:

So where did bars and time signatures originate?

The earlier medieval mensural notation gave way to modern bars and time signatures in the 17th century, after an intermediate stage of “white mensuration” as depicted here in Thomas Morley’s Plaine and Easie Introduction to Practicall Musicke

The compilation of medieval instrumental dances I’m studying at the moment has no bars or time signatures in the modern sense, but the music is still reasonably easy to follow.

https://www.booktopia.com.au/medieval-instrumental-dances-timothy-j-mcgee/book/9780253333537.html

Well that explains mensural notation.. answers part of the question.

You don’t see many maxima or longa these days.

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