Might as well launch a new thread now, too.
Anyone for Cluedo?
Mr buffy pointed out to me that Mr Dutton is a little less frantic about finding out who the ex politician was….
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-01/asio-warns-naming-traitor-politician-could-expose-sources/103531858
buffy said:
Mr buffy pointed out to me that Mr Dutton is a little less frantic about finding out who the ex politician was….https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-01/asio-warns-naming-traitor-politician-could-expose-sources/103531858
Yeah, now that you mention it, i’m not sure that Joe Hockey and The Spud are exactly great pals, and Joe might not mind if PD’s boat got somewhat rocked.
Public Health or Cayman Wealth?
The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_JHkiJ9Z4k
Senator Linda White has died, aged 63. Before entering parliament she was a member of the Australian Services Union.
She was part of the Left in Victoria.
sarahs mum said:
A worthy moan there.
sarahs mum said:
Thumbs up.
Hey poindexter’s friend!
What’s the latest numbers in Tassie?
sarahs mum said:
Hey poindexter’s friend!What’s the latest numbers in Tassie?
Looks very much as though neither Libs nor ALP/Green will reach 18 seats and so Lambie Network will be king makers.
sarahs mum said:
Hey poindexter’s friend!What’s the latest numbers in Tassie?
In other news cricket tas wants to play in the new footy stadium and flog Bellerive.
And what about Dunkley?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Hey poindexter’s friend!What’s the latest numbers in Tassie?
Looks very much as though neither Libs nor ALP/Green will reach 18 seats and so Lambie Network will be king makers.
some concern that no one knows who Lambie people are or how they will stand out on the ballot.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
Hey poindexter’s friend!What’s the latest numbers in Tassie?
In other news cricket tas wants to play in the new footy stadium and flog Bellerive.
They don’t own it. I believe it is owned by the council
Now that the Libs have not won Dunkley…
…is Angus Taylor eyeing the ‘top’ job?
captain_spalding said:
Now that the Libs have not won Dunkley……is Angus Taylor eyeing the ‘top’ job?
Hhmmm, why?
Dunkley shows the Liberal party’s ‘more of the same’ is not a path to government
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2024/mar/02/dunkley-shows-the-liberal-partys-more-of-the-same-is-not-a-path-to-government
Greens took a bit of a hit in Dunkley.
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
Now that the Libs have not won Dunkley……is Angus Taylor eyeing the ‘top’ job?
Hhmmm, why?
Because Libs only got a 3% swing?
I suspect Mr. Taylor has been eyeing the top job for many years, but I can’t see Dutton being kicked out on the basis of this result.
dv said:
Greens took a bit of a hit in Dunkley.
Interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkJpU4Ad72g
“The ACT’s former top prosecutor has succeeded in his challenge to the findings of an inquiry into the prosecution of former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann.”
“Today Acting Justice Stephen Kaye ruled Mr Sofronoff’s communications with journalist Janet Albrechtsen of The Australian “gave rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias”.
“The court is expected to hear further arguments this afternoon over what relief Mr Drumgold is entitled to.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/mar/04/centrelink-horror-stories-mark-has-his-payments-suspended-while-recovering-from-brain-surgery
Peter Dutton flew to Perth for one hour at lavish Gina Rinehart birthday party then back to cost-of-living campaign in Dunkley
The opposition leader, Peter Dutton, reportedly flew to Perth for just an hour to attend the 70th birthday party of the mining billionaire Gina Rinehart, flying an overnight round-trip cross-country before returning to Melbourne to campaign on cost-of-living issues ahead of the Dunkley byelection.
The lavish celebration for Australia’s richest woman, according to her company’s websites, included “a horse show backed by the fantastic Aussie music, ‘The Man from Snowy River’, with riders … carrying large Australian and company flags”, with photos from the event showing multiple large cakes and on-stage pyrotechnics.
Dutton’s latest trip west to pay homage to the Hancock Prospecting billionaire has raised questions among Labor MPs and usual media supporters of the Liberal leader, with the 2GB host Ben Fordham asking why he had not chosen to instead spend more time campaigning in Dunkley.
more..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/04/peter-dutton-gina-rinehart-birthday-party-cost-of-living-campaign-dunkley
Shane Drumgold lands new job teaching law to Canberra students
janet albrechtsen
March 6, 2024
Former ACT chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold has been teaching a unit of the online law of evidence course at Canberra University.
Students at Canberra University have been startled to discover the identity of their new lecturer in the law of evidence: disgraced former ACT director of public prosecutions Shane Drumgold.
Mr Drumgold, who resigned as DPP last year following the damning findings of misconduct by the Sofronoff inquiry, began teaching a unit of the online law of evidence course at the university on January 15 and will teach another from October 21.
Academics at the university have expressed astonishment that Mr Drumgold will be teaching students, particularly in an area of law which he was found by the Sofronoff inquiry to have deliberately flouted.
“Being appointed in the middle of this godforsaken mess to teach evidence law is just – wow, you can’t make it up,” one faculty member told The Australian.
“It’s funny how academia doesn’t think (the Sofronoff report) is a real thing – it’s just staggering.”
Mr Drumgold’s current LinkedIn profile describes him as a “retired lawyer author”.
The former DPP is teaching a unit that “introduces graduate students to the law of evidence” with a particular focus on the ACT Evidence Act 2011, including pre-trial obligations, privileges and exceptions to the rules.
Among the findings of the Sofronoff inquiry were that Mr Drumgold was guilty of a serious breach of duty by failing to comply with the “golden rule” of disclosure by failing to disclose documents under the Evidence Act 2011; that he “kept the defence in the dark” about the steps he was taking to deny it the documents; and that he “constructed a false narrative to support a claim of legal professional privilege”.
Mr Drumgold was also found to have made representations to Chief Justice Lucy McCallum in the criminal case against Bruce Lehrmann that were untrue and “an invention of his own” and presented evidence in the form of an alleged “contemporaneous” file note to the Chief Justice that was false and “knowingly lied” to her about it.
All of these findings were upheld on Monday by judge Stephen Kaye in response to a legal challenge by Mr Drumgold to the Sofronoff inquiry’s report that he was in breach of his duties while prosecuting allegations that Mr Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins on a couch in Parliament House.
Shane Drumgold resigned from his role as DPP last year following the damning findings of misconduct by the Sofronoff inquiry.
“He’s teaching evidence and all of this is on the public record,” the faculty member said, acknowledging that colleagues at the university were reluctant to make an issue of the appointment.
“You don’t speak up about this sort of thing because if you have a view that’s anywhere in the centre of politics … best of luck to you,” the staff member said.
Despite a stated commitment by the University of Canberra to “open and transparent governance and leadership”, the university declined to respond to any of the specific questions posed by The Australian.
Among those the university failed to address were: how Mr Drumgold was selected and awarded the position, and whether the university had considered the findings of the Sofronoff inquiry when it appointed him.
The ‘Lehrmannheimer’ lawsuits, explained
Mr Drumgold, who gained his law degree from the University of Canberra in 2001, was made an adjunct professor (an academic who does not work full time at the university) in 2020 and is still listed on the university website in that position.
The university would not disclose whether Mr Drumgold held any positions other than teaching the evidence course, or the terms and conditions of his employment.
Instead, the university issued a brief statement asserting that teaching of all units was “governed by quality assurance processes” and that appointment of teaching staff was “governed by rigorous policies that ensure their suitability and qualifications are aligned with the unit’s delivery requirements”.
Mr Drumgold is not able to work as a barrister in the ACT as his practising certificate was conditional on his employment in government.
Applications for practising certificates – and renewals – do not begin again in the ACT until April.
ruby said:
LOL
I could give you some Uranium minerals (38% U3O8) to pass on to him, if you’d like.
Michael V said:
:)))))
ruby said:
LOL
I could give you some Uranium minerals (38% U3O8) to pass on to him, if you’d like.
The Liberals now have fewer women in parliament than they did when they set their gender parity target by 2025, nine years ago. An analysis by the Australia Institute found that of the 228 MPs who sit in Liberal party rooms across the country, just 71 are women. And despite the tactic of crowding women behind the dispatch box where they will be seen for question time, there is no hiding that there are just nine women sitting with the Liberal party in the lower house.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/08/the-liberal-party-does-not-have-a-women-problem-men-are-the-problem
sarahs mum said:
The Liberals now have fewer women in parliament than they did when they set their gender parity target by 2025, nine years ago. An analysis by the Australia Institute found that of the 228 MPs who sit in Liberal party rooms across the country, just 71 are women. And despite the tactic of crowding women behind the dispatch box where they will be seen for question time, there is no hiding that there are just nine women sitting with the Liberal party in the lower house.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/08/the-liberal-party-does-not-have-a-women-problem-men-are-the-problem
Didn’t know that (about only 9 Lib women from the lower house).
Visiting their “our team” page you are greeted with the faces of Dutton + 7 women.
https://www.liberal.org.au/our-team
I was going to give that a sarcastic “what a coincidence”, but since other than Dutton and Susan Ley it looks like they are all in alphabetical order, it seems it really is a coincidence.
The excess of men show up scrolling down of course.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sarahs mum said:
The Liberals now have fewer women in parliament than they did when they set their gender parity target by 2025, nine years ago. An analysis by the Australia Institute found that of the 228 MPs who sit in Liberal party rooms across the country, just 71 are women. And despite the tactic of crowding women behind the dispatch box where they will be seen for question time, there is no hiding that there are just nine women sitting with the Liberal party in the lower house.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/08/the-liberal-party-does-not-have-a-women-problem-men-are-the-problem
Didn’t know that (about only 9 Lib women from the lower house).
Visiting their “our team” page you are greeted with the faces of Dutton + 7 women.
https://www.liberal.org.au/our-teamI was going to give that a sarcastic “what a coincidence”, but since other than Dutton and Susan Ley it looks like they are all in alphabetical order, it seems it really is a coincidence.
The excess of men show up scrolling down of course.
I do like Bridget Archer. Tasmania does. Many ask her to become an independent. She says she wants to be the change in the liberals. But they bury her. They’ve done it again.
Zuck’s Cuck – Facebook v News Corp
The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmGax_CyVk8
https://twitter.com/jeremyrockliff/status/1766562217153966098
Rockliff promises to one up on glasgow.
sarahs mum said:
https://twitter.com/jeremyrockliff/status/1766562217153966098Rockliff promises to one up on glasgow.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
https://twitter.com/jeremyrockliff/status/1766562217153966098Rockliff promises to one up on glasgow.
Damn.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
https://twitter.com/jeremyrockliff/status/1766562217153966098Rockliff promises to one up on glasgow.
Damn.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/12/clive-palmer-labor-political-donations-cap-legislation-comments?CMP=aus_threads
Clive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/12/clive-palmer-labor-political-donations-cap-legislation-comments?CMP=aus_threadsClive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
seconded.
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/12/clive-palmer-labor-political-donations-cap-legislation-comments?CMP=aus_threadsClive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
it would seem that ideas are far more expensive things to buy than first thought
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/12/clive-palmer-labor-political-donations-cap-legislation-comments?CMP=aus_threadsClive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
+1
dv said:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/12/clive-palmer-labor-political-donations-cap-legislation-comments?CMP=aus_threadsClive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
Please, pretty please, with strawberries and ice-cream on top.
Nuclear push from Dutton | The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEArxrBqHTo
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“They didn’t understand how a broadband network should operate and now they’re trying to convince us that they’re nuclear energy experts.”
Michael V said:
dv said:
Clive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
Please, pretty please, with strawberries and ice-cream on top.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Clive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
Please, pretty please, with strawberries and ice-cream on top.
Agree. I wish Clive would find something useful to do.
Get out of politics Clive, your hopeless at it.
captain_spalding said:
Spiny Norman said:
Australian government knew obscure retailer had no PPE experience before paying $100m for unusable Covid masks.The Australian government knew an obscure online retailer had no experience importing PPE prior to handing it $100m and receiving 46m unusable masks at a critical point during the pandemic, documents show.
A Guardian Australia investigation last year revealed how a virtually unknown company, Australian Business Mobiles, received $100m in PPE contracts in early 2020 despite its prior business largely involving the sale of air fryers, robot vacuum cleaners, bedding and massage guns.
ABM was paid to provide 50m masks and 10m gowns at a critical period in the pandemic. It contracted two companies registered in Cyprus, a low-tax jurisdiction, to secure the PPE from Chinese manufacturers.
The Cyprus-registered companies made about $40m on the deals, according to contracts and other documents seen by Guardian Australia. The Australian Taxation Office is understood to have received documents from a whistleblower, raising questions about the arrangement.
The question at the bottom of it all is: which L/NP personage (most likely Liberal) is linked to and profited by the shonky deal? That some such person did can be taken for granted, it only remains to establish their identity and the scale of their personal profit, although such details are unlikely to ever become public knowledge.
Copied to politics thread.
I really hope someone (ie the dodgy pollie) gets busted for it.
dv said:
I think that he, even with multiple serious contenders, the dumbest c**t in Aussie politics.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
I think that he, even with multiple serious contenders, the dumbest c**t in Aussie politics.
Malcolm Roberts might give him a run
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
I think that he, even with multiple serious contenders, the dumbest c**t in Aussie politics.
Malcolm Roberts might give him a run
No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:
Spiny Norman said:I think that he, even with multiple serious contenders, the dumbest c**t in Aussie politics.
Malcolm Roberts might give him a run
No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
But is he very stable?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:Malcolm Roberts might give him a run
No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
But is he very stable?
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
But is he very stable?
The trails are real. The chem, not so much.
Reading Spiny’s Facepalm link reminds me of the back window slogan I saw on Monday:
“You are the carbon they want to reduce”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But is he very stable?
The trails are real. The chem, not so much.Reading Spiny’s Facepalm link reminds me of the back window slogan I saw on Monday:
“You are the carbon they want to reduce”.
In fairness the carbon in my body tends to be in a reduced rather than oxidised state.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:The trails are real. The chem, not so much.
Reading Spiny’s Facepalm link reminds me of the back window slogan I saw on Monday:
“You are the carbon they want to reduce”.
In fairness the carbon in my body tends to be in a reduced rather than oxidised state.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
dv said:Malcolm Roberts might give him a run
No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
But is he very stable?
I’ve said this before, but I use to work for MR.. his politics aside, he seemed to me to be a pretty reasonable dude…
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
But is he very stable?
I’ve said this before, but I use to work for MR.. his politics aside, he seemed to me to be a pretty reasonable dude…
In what field were you working for him?
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
But is he very stable?
I’ve said this before, but I use to work for MR.. his politics aside, he seemed to me to be a pretty reasonable dude…
His behaviour in relation to the citizenship issue was … fucking weird. Seemed to be a combination of strategy and denialism.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:No, according to a lady on Facepalm who also thinks that chemtrails are a real thing, Roberts is a genius.
Who would have guessed.
But is he very stable?
I’ve said this before, but I use to work for MR.. his politics aside, he seemed to me to be a pretty reasonable dude…
Lol….he was kicked off a Montessori board for his stupid beliefs.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But is he very stable?
I’ve said this before, but I use to work for MR.. his politics aside, he seemed to me to be a pretty reasonable dude…
In what field were you working for him?
The lower forty.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But is he very stable?
I’ve said this before, but I use to work for MR.. his politics aside, he seemed to me to be a pretty reasonable dude…
In what field were you working for him?
he was the manager at a mine I worked at.. I mean he seemed (at the time at least) quite rational
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:I’ve said this before, but I use to work for MR.. his politics aside, he seemed to me to be a pretty reasonable dude…
In what field were you working for him?
he was the manager at a mine I worked at.. I mean he seemed (at the time at least) quite rational
Plenty of people who are reasonable and competent within their areas of work, but who have weird conspiracy theories they are attached to.
Very few have the influence of Roberts though.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Clive Palmer says Labor’s plan to cap political donations would silence ‘diversity of ideas’
——
Ah just fuck off won’t you
Please, pretty please, with strawberries and ice-cream on top.
Let us not forget the liberal/green coalition. Both labor and liberal say they will do no deals with the greens …until they do do a deal with the Greens.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:In what field were you working for him?
he was the manager at a mine I worked at.. I mean he seemed (at the time at least) quite rational
Plenty of people who are reasonable and competent within their areas of work, but who have weird conspiracy theories they are attached to.
Very few have the influence of Roberts though.
yeah.. like I said.. politics and personal beliefs aside.. people are weird..
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:Michael V said:
Please, pretty please, with strawberries and ice-cream on top.
Let us not forget the liberal/green coalition. Both labor and liberal say they will do no deals with the greens …until they do do a deal with the Greens.
Do they realise that the Libs were operating a minority govt for the last year?
There’s really no prospect for majority govt in Tasmania after this election so people are voting on what kind of minority govt they want.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:
Let us not forget the liberal/green coalition. Both labor and liberal say they will do no deals with the greens …until they do do a deal with the Greens.
Do they realise that the Libs were operating a minority govt for the last year?
There’s really no prospect for majority govt in Tasmania after this election so people are voting on what kind of minority govt they want.
The only decision I have made as yet is to vote to the bottom of the form where eric abetz will be.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Let us not forget the liberal/green coalition. Both labor and liberal say they will do no deals with the greens …until they do do a deal with the Greens.
Do they realise that the Libs were operating a minority govt for the last year?
There’s really no prospect for majority govt in Tasmania after this election so people are voting on what kind of minority govt they want.
The only decision I have made as yet is to vote to the bottom of the form where eric abetz will be.
Apologies we were referring the dishonesty politics in https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/jacqui-lambie-slams-liberals-over-website/103581992 and that was a screenshot of the offending site but hey does anyone really expect better from Corruption¿
SCIENCE said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Do they realise that the Libs were operating a minority govt for the last year?
There’s really no prospect for majority govt in Tasmania after this election so people are voting on what kind of minority govt they want.
The only decision I have made as yet is to vote to the bottom of the form where eric abetz will be.
Apologies we were referring the dishonesty politics in https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/jacqui-lambie-slams-liberals-over-website/103581992 and that was a screenshot of the offending site but hey does anyone really expect better from Corruption¿
“The text, which criticised the Jacqui Lambie Network, was sent to 7,000 voters in the electorate of Lyons, but it came from the phone number of a Liberal candidate from Franklin.”
abetz is running in Franklin.
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
Michael V said:
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
for —-> from
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:sarahs mum said:
The only decision I have made as yet is to vote to the bottom of the form where eric abetz will be.
Apologies we were referring the dishonesty politics in https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/jacqui-lambie-slams-liberals-over-website/103581992 and that was a screenshot of the offending site but hey does anyone really expect better from Corruption¿
“The text, which criticised the Jacqui Lambie Network, was sent to 7,000 voters in the electorate of Lyons, but it came from the phone number of a Liberal candidate from Franklin.”
abetz is running in Franklin.
Does seem absolutely nuts. The Liberals’ narrow hopes of government relied on support from JLN.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
SCIENCE said:Apologies we were referring the dishonesty politics in https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/jacqui-lambie-slams-liberals-over-website/103581992 and that was a screenshot of the offending site but hey does anyone really expect better from Corruption¿
“The text, which criticised the Jacqui Lambie Network, was sent to 7,000 voters in the electorate of Lyons, but it came from the phone number of a Liberal candidate from Franklin.”
abetz is running in Franklin.
Does seem absolutely nuts. The Liberals’ narrow hopes of government relied on support from JLN.
she’s unlikely to forgive and forget.
Michael V said:
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
She totally needs a tax cut
Michael V said:
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
this headline feels a bit disingenuous… Liontown Resources don’t even feature on the list of the top 20 investors and it’s not as though Gina is one the non-executive directors… I give this story a score of 3 rare earth minerals out of 10.
and in fairness.. the world as a whole needs more REM producers that are not Chinese based or controlled.
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
this headline feels a bit disingenuous… Liontown Resources don’t even feature on the list of the top 20 investors and it’s not as though Gina is one the non-executive directors… I give this story a score of 3 rare earth minerals out of 10.
and in fairness.. the world as a whole needs more REM producers that are not Chinese based or controlled.
in fact 9 of the top 10 investors are institutional funds that are probably investing filthy superannuation lucre
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
this headline feels a bit disingenuous… Liontown Resources don’t even feature on the list of the top 20 investors and it’s not as though Gina is one the non-executive directors… I give this story a score of 3 rare earth minerals out of 10.
and in fairness.. the world as a whole needs more REM producers that are not Chinese based or controlled.
Can we consider the Swedish state owned model, with LKAB.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
this headline feels a bit disingenuous… Liontown Resources don’t even feature on the list of the top 20 investors and it’s not as though Gina is one the non-executive directors… I give this story a score of 3 rare earth minerals out of 10.
and in fairness.. the world as a whole needs more REM producers that are not Chinese based or controlled.
Can we consider the Swedish state owned model, with LKAB.
I’ve sure we could.. although I’m not sure people would be any happier with the govt if they decided that they were going to start buying mining companies with the Future Fund…
The financing facilities that the govt offer are, IMO, good things.. A quick look at the balance sheet suggests that the company’s position is fine, they have $120M in the bank… but I doubt that any of the major banks would be lending them the $800M they need to build their project… and selling down equity would only get them so far.. So this really is the only option available to juniors.
worst case scenario is that they go belly up and the CMF/NIF lose their shirts…
Someone smells blood.
Cranbrook, a school on Sydney Harbour that just completed a $125 million building redevelopment and receives more than $6.5 million in taxpayer funding a year is threatening an investigative journalist for asking questions about probity. Is this what those fees — up to $46,000 a year for day boys — are there to pay for? I’ve been a journalist for 24 years. I’ve never seen anything like it.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
Australia’s richest person gets a huge amount of money in grants and loans for the government, to set up a new mine and processing facilities.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-14/arafura-nt-rare-earth-minerals-mine-to-get-840m-taxpayer-funding/103585468
this headline feels a bit disingenuous… Liontown Resources don’t even feature on the list of the top 20 investors and it’s not as though Gina is one the non-executive directors… I give this story a score of 3 rare earth minerals out of 10.
and in fairness.. the world as a whole needs more REM producers that are not Chinese based or controlled.
Can we consider the Swedish state owned model, with LKAB.
DV, you forget the two inviolable tenets of the Australian economy:
1. private industry ALWAYS does it better, faster, cheaper, more efficiently, more farly, more cleanly, brighter, stronger, higher, etc., etc., etc.
2. God put minerals into the Australian continent for the benefit of private mining companies, and not for the benefit of whatever peasantry happens to abide on the island at the time.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:this headline feels a bit disingenuous… Liontown Resources don’t even feature on the list of the top 20 investors and it’s not as though Gina is one the non-executive directors… I give this story a score of 3 rare earth minerals out of 10.
and in fairness.. the world as a whole needs more REM producers that are not Chinese based or controlled.
Can we consider the Swedish state owned model, with LKAB.
DV, you forget the two inviolable tenets of the Australian economy:
1. private industry ALWAYS does it better, faster, cheaper, more efficiently, more farly, more cleanly, brighter, stronger, higher, etc., etc., etc.
2. God put minerals into the Australian continent for the benefit of private mining companies, and not for the benefit of whatever peasantry happens to abide on the island at the time.
This sums it up neatly.
Gina Mineheart
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:this headline feels a bit disingenuous… Liontown Resources don’t even feature on the list of the top 20 investors and it’s not as though Gina is one the non-executive directors… I give this story a score of 3 rare earth minerals out of 10.
and in fairness.. the world as a whole needs more REM producers that are not Chinese based or controlled.
Can we consider the Swedish state owned model, with LKAB.
DV, you forget the two inviolable tenets of the Australian economy:
1. private industry ALWAYS does it better, faster, cheaper, more efficiently, more farly, more cleanly, brighter, stronger, higher, etc., etc., etc.
2. God put minerals into the Australian continent for the benefit of private mining companies, and not for the benefit of whatever peasantry happens to abide on the island at the time.
Point 1 may not always be true, but it often is, simply because as a society we demand that government be accountable for the money it spends, and as such this creates a bureaucracy which leads to a cost inefficiency – not saying this is a bad thing, but it is a thing.
If point 2 were true we’d have no mineral royalties, no resource rents and no provisions for governance of environmental, social or cultural heritage matters.
“Former prime minister Scott Morrison’s farewell dinner in the Sutherland Shire, featuring Sky News sycophant Paul Murray on MC duties, was meant to go down next week.
CBD wondered how many Liberals would actually show up; it looks like we’ve gotten our answer – the event has been postponed, with no rescheduled date in sight.
In an email seen by this column, Cook federal electorate conference president Scott Briggs (of sacked Mike Pezzullo fame) told guests the event was being pushed back because the party had decided to focus its efforts “winning big” in the electorate. This was a little hard to swallow in a seat so safe Labor isn’t even in the contest.
“You will also be pleased to know that Scott welcomes the opportunity to postpone, given the requirements of his new private sector roles, forthcoming travel commitments, and launching his new book in May,” Briggs wrote.
That said, we hear organisers had far fewer RSVPs than they had hoped for. Even in the Shire, dinner with Morrison seems like a tough sell.”
SMH
They could get more interest by putting Morrison in the stocks and charge people to throw rotten vegetables at him.
LOL well SCIENCE shouldn’t be in politics should it
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/csiro-rebukes-dutton-nuclear-cost-criticism/103591780
oh wait
shit
goodbye
SCIENCE said:
LOL well SCIENCE shouldn’t be in politics should it
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/csiro-rebukes-dutton-nuclear-cost-criticism/103591780
oh wait
shit
goodbye
Modern conservatism’s anti-science bent is not going to lead them back to the centre.
It didn’t used to be like this. It was Menzies that turned the CSIRO into a major agency.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:LOL well SCIENCE shouldn’t be in politics should it
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/csiro-rebukes-dutton-nuclear-cost-criticism/103591780
oh wait
shit
goodbye
Modern conservatism’s anti-science bent is not going to lead them back to the centre.
It didn’t used to be like this. It was Menzies that turned the CSIRO into a major agency.
^
Honest Government Ad | Visit Tasmania!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcqCdGqjWQ
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getcha shitfuckery here!
Only 8 more big sleeps til the Tasmanian legislative elections.
dv said:
Only 8 more big sleeps til the Tasmanian legislative elections.
And one sleep until the QLD local government elections.
Farmed salmon certifications confirm their complicity while supermarkets continue to profit from extinction
In letters to conservation groups, eco-certifications – Best Aquaculture Practices (BAP) and GLOBALG.A.P. – have refused to revoke their endorsements of Macquarie Harbour salmon farms despite these farms threatening the survival of the endangered Maugean skate.
Certification watchdog SeaChoice and allies the Australian Marine Conservation Society, Bob Brown Foundation, Ekō, and Neighbours of Fish Farming submitted formal complaints to the certifications following the publication of the Australian Government’s Conservation Advice, in September 2023, that asserts reduced water quality due to salmon farming operations in Macquarie Harbour is a “very high risk” threat that is “almost certain to impact the Maugean skate throughout the entire harbour” with “catastrophic” consequences.
The complaints detail how the certifications are not fit for purpose for Macquarie Harbour’s unique ecosystem. BAP and GLOBALG.A.P. have no dissolved oxygen compliance limits and no requirements to measure oxygen levels in the mid or bottom waters of the harbour where water quality impacts are occurring in the skate’s habitat. As a consequence, critical impacts are not detected or penalized.
The dismissals argue that farm compliance with legal obligations is sufficient to be certified. This is contrary to the role of eco-certifications which should be to go above and beyond mere legal obligations.
BAP and GLOBALG.A.P.’s unwillingness to revoke Macquarie Harbour certificates adds further weight to a greenwashing complaint lodged with the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission (ACCC) by the Environmental Defenders Office on behalf of groups in December 2023. Both certifications are implicated within the complaint, alongside Aldi, Coles and Woolworths’ who label all Tasmanian salmon including that sourced from Macquarie Harbour as ‘responsibly sourced’.
To date, more than 80 conservation, animal welfare, and shark groups from around the world called for BAP and GLOBALG.A.P. to revoke their certificates from Macquarie Harbour farms. Around 57,000 shoppers have petitioned Aldi, Coles, and Woolworths to stop selling salmon from the harbour. Last month, a first of its kind shareholder activism campaign to save the skate was launched targeting Coles and Woolworths.
Quotes:
Jessica Coughlan, campaigner at Neighbours of Fish Farming, said:
“The RSPCA and the Aquaculture Stewardship Council stopped endorsing Macquarie Harbour fish farms due to impacts a long time ago. The fact that Global G.A.P and BAP continue to endorse Macquarie Harbour farms contributing to extinction is greenwashing at best, and complicit in the loss of a species at worst. Their dismissal of the scientific evidence underscores the need for the ACCC to conduct an immediate investigation into the greenwashing of Macquarie Harbour salmon by certifications and supermarkets.”
Dr. Kilian Stehfest, SeaChoice representative from David Suzuki Foundation, said:
“BAP and GLOBALG.A.P. are turning a blind eye to an extinction emergency. No compliance limits for oxygen levels are required by certified farms. Instead, they defer to local Licence Conditions that have been found to be inadequate by two independent reviews. As a result, critical environmental impacts– namely low oxygen levels in the skate’s habitat – go undetected and unpenalised by these certifications. Credible certifications are meant to reduce the environmental impact of aquaculture, not ignore impacts.”
Kelly Roebuck, SeaChoice representative from Living Oceans Society, said:
“The dismissal of the complaint by BAP and GLOBALG.A.P. confirms there is no salmon they will refuse to certify – even those driving an ancient relic to extinction. Supermarkets should immediately stop hiding behind these misleading certifications under their so-called seafood sustainability commitments and exercise due diligence by ceasing procurement of Macquarie Harbour salmon.”
Adrian Meder, Sustainable Seafood Program Manager at the Australian Marine Conservation Society, said:
“The Australian Marine Conservation Society has produced the GoodFish Sustainable Seafood Guide for Australians for 20 years. Any seafood production – like Macquarie Harbour fish farming – that poses an extinction threat to an endangered species is rightfully on the GoodFish Guide’s ‘say no’ red list. Australian seafood consumers value what sustainability means, and they deserve certifications they can trust to choose seafood without risking a side serve of extinction. To gain that trust, and to serve as meaningful labels to consumers looking for real sustainability, these certifications must show they stand for more than merely rubber stamping a minimum environmental performance required of farms by law.”
Alistair Allan, Marine Campaigner at the Bob Brown Foundation, said:
“These certifications are established by industry, for industry. They exist in a feeble attempt to maintain social license for the hugely damaging factory farming of salmon. Salmon companies hire and pay for auditors to certify them. No audit reports of certified farms are published. And as we found out, complaint investigations involve the certifications and/or auditors investigating themselves. It’s a classic case of the fox guarding the hen house.
Nish Humphreys, Senior Campaigner at Ekō, said:
“These certifications are failing to do their job and as a result Australia’s living dinosaur, the skate, could go extinct. The big supermarkets selling salmon from Macquarie Harbour are misleading shoppers by slapping responsibly sourced labels on and making a profit. But now, more than 56,000 shoppers are calling on the supermarkets to save the skate and are ready to take further action.”
https://tasmaniantimes.com/2024/03/farmed-salmon-certifications-complicit-in-greenwashing/
https://tasmaniantimes.com/2024/03/major-party-vote-crashing-in-ucomms-poll/
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/03/ucomms-labor-23-how-much-stock-should.html
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I’ve had two automated polling phone calls that i have just hung up on.
Just use renewable energy to pump oxygen into the water around salmon farms I guess. You have weighted tubing that hangs down and millions of tiny bubbles flow into the habitat
wookiemeister said:
Just use renewable energy to pump oxygen into the water around salmon farms I guess. You have weighted tubing that hangs down and millions of tiny bubbles flow into the habitat
pump in the antibiotics at the same time.
sarahs mum said:
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/03/ucomms-labor-23-how-much-stock-should.html
—-I’ve had two automated polling phone calls that i have just hung up on.
Why though?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/03/ucomms-labor-23-how-much-stock-should.html
—-I’ve had two automated polling phone calls that i have just hung up on.
Why though?
I think the polling should tell me who they are polling for before I carry on. in the past I have had to submit to weighted questions that have pissed me off.
Bloody Dutton! What a mongrel.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/csiro-rebukes-dutton-nuclear-cost-criticism/103591780
Michael V said:
Bloody Dutton! What a mongrel.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/csiro-rebukes-dutton-nuclear-cost-criticism/103591780
Yeah.
I heard an interview with the head of CSIRO. He said “Back off man, we’re scientists!” Or words to that effect.
Looks very much as though Labor is going to lose the by election in West Ipswich with a big double digit swing.
Pollbludger notes:
It’s been noted that the informal vote in Ipswich West is out from 4.0% to 8.6%, which no doubt has a lot to do with an optional preferential voting council election being held on the same day as a compulsory preferential voting state by-election. Presumably this isn’t doing Labor any favours.
dv said:
Looks very much as though Labor is going to lose the by election in West Ipswich with a big double digit swing.Pollbludger notes:
It’s been noted that the informal vote in Ipswich West is out from 4.0% to 8.6%, which no doubt has a lot to do with an optional preferential voting council election being held on the same day as a compulsory preferential voting state by-election. Presumably this isn’t doing Labor any favours.
In my experience, people in Ipswich have trouble understanding things like ‘give way’ signs and red lights.
Two elections on one day would have had them flummoxed, reeling.
dv said:
Looks very much as though Labor is going to lose the by election in West Ipswich with a big double digit swing.Pollbludger notes:
It’s been noted that the informal vote in Ipswich West is out from 4.0% to 8.6%, which no doubt has a lot to do with an optional preferential voting council election being held on the same day as a compulsory preferential voting state by-election. Presumably this isn’t doing Labor any favours.
Labor will retain Inala.
Looks very much as though Schrinner will retain mayorship of Brisbane.
Some chance that the Greens will pick up Paddington or Coorparoo in the council elections.
dv said:
dv said:
Looks very much as though Labor is going to lose the by election in West Ipswich with a big double digit swing.Pollbludger notes:
It’s been noted that the informal vote in Ipswich West is out from 4.0% to 8.6%, which no doubt has a lot to do with an optional preferential voting council election being held on the same day as a compulsory preferential voting state by-election. Presumably this isn’t doing Labor any favours.Labor will retain Inala.
Looks very much as though Schrinner will retain mayorship of Brisbane.
Some chance that the Greens will pick up Paddington or Coorparoo in the council elections.
In my ward of wynnum manly the long term Labor member has retired, Peter Cummings was an excellent member.
The lnp might pick up the ward this time although it’s a close run thing.
Legalise Marijuana did really well in West Ipswich. I’m surprised that only 57% of their preferences went to the ALP. I would have assumed it would be about 80%.
Liberals’ ‘ramping ban’ on ice following Industrial Commission decision
The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.
The government’s flagship election policy of banning ramping is off to a shaky start.
The Tasmanian Industrial Commission has blocked the Department of Health from implementing the first phase of the change on Monday following a challenge by the nursing union.
Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation Tasmanian secretary Emily Shepherd said the Commission ruled that the Department of Health and Ambulance Tasmania had conducted insufficient consultation over the planned change.
Video footage reveals significant ramping across Adelaide on December 27th and a declared “code white” for emergency departments, a 54-year-old male in Hectorville tragically passed away after waiting for over 10 hours for an ambulance.
She said her union had made an emergency application to freeze the start of the protocol over members’ concerns that the protocol posed “significant risks” to patients.
“We respect that paramedics need to be freed to respond to triple-zero calls, but similarly, we can’t be having ramped patients offloaded into under-resourced and understaffed emergency department corridors either,” she said.
“Currently, most emergency departments and wards are not even achieving their minimum benchmarked staffing levels … and what that ultimately means is our members will not be able to deliver quality and timely care.
“They are very concerned about patients suffering adverse events in corridors or dying because of those reasons.”
She said there was already no clinical space for patients being ramped at present.
ANMF Tasmania secretary Emily Shepherd said the Department of Health has not addressed numerous risks in implementing the 60-minute ramping protocol.
“The concern is that if we are parking patients in corridors and then alcoves and basically anywhere there is floor space, that doesn’t necessarily mean there is available emergency equipment to be able to care for that patient.”
The Industrial Commission will meet again on Monday morning to hear further submissions on the protocol.
Labor Franklin candidate Dean Winter said the Commission’s decision meant the government’s ramping policy was “in tatters”.
“Fixing ambulance ramping can’t be achieved by glib three word slogans,” he said.
“Morale among health workers is at an all-time low and genuine solutions are needed across the entire health system.
“This means more resources throughout our major hospitals, and more resources in our regions to take pressure off our hospitals.”
Health Minister Guy Barnett announced the new 60-minute ramping protocol in early February, and expanded on it during the election campaign.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff said that the maximum time under the protocol would be reduced over time, to just 30 minutes by 2025.
Ms Shepherd said the ANMF challenge in the Industrial Commission centred around the claim that the Department had failed in its obligation to properly consult ANMF members over the change to a 60-minute protocol.
“The change proposal closed on Thursday evening, with the change to be implemented on Monday morning, so clearly that only gave us one business day to get a response from the Department to consult with our members,” she said.
The case also put the ANMF at odds with the Health and Community Services Union, which joined the Department of Health and Ambulance Tasmania in opposing the ANMF application.
HACSU, whose members include paramedics, has supported the government’s move to introduce the initial phase of the ramping ban protocol, which would mean that hospitals would be obliged to take over care of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.
Paramedics have long complained that long waits with their patients at hospitals – a practice known as ramping – saps their resources and contributes to slow ambulance response times.
Health Minister Guy Barnett said the government would work with the unions and the Tasmanian Industrial Commission to ensure that the 60-minute protocol was introduced.“Unlike Labor, we have not given up on fixing ramping,” he said. “We will work with the unions and the Commission on implementation of the 60 minutes protocol. “We will continue to work constructively with the unions, with clinicians, with hospital officials to ensure this is done safely and effectively.”
Examiner.
“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“
I wonder what’s going to be done with. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
OCDC said:
“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“Fixed.I wonder what’s going to be done with them. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
OCDC said:
OCDC said:“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“Fixed.I wonder what’s going to be done with them. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
It’s just … insane that their plan is to try to legislate away the effect rather than addressing the cause.
OCDC said:
OCDC said:
Fixed.OCDC said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberals’ ‘ramping ban’ on ice following Industrial Commission decision
The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.
The government’s flagship election policy of banning ramping is off to a shaky start.The Tasmanian Industrial Commission has blocked the Department of Health from implementing the first phase of the change on Monday following a challenge by the nursing union.
Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation Tasmanian secretary Emily Shepherd said the Commission ruled that the Department of Health and Ambulance Tasmania had conducted insufficient consultation over the planned change.
Video footage reveals significant ramping across Adelaide on December 27th and a declared “code white” for emergency departments, a 54-year-old male in Hectorville tragically passed away after waiting for over 10 hours for an ambulance.
She said her union had made an emergency application to freeze the start of the protocol over members’ concerns that the protocol posed “significant risks” to patients.
“We respect that paramedics need to be freed to respond to triple-zero calls, but similarly, we can’t be having ramped patients offloaded into under-resourced and understaffed emergency department corridors either,” she said.
“Currently, most emergency departments and wards are not even achieving their minimum benchmarked staffing levels … and what that ultimately means is our members will not be able to deliver quality and timely care.
“They are very concerned about patients suffering adverse events in corridors or dying because of those reasons.”
She said there was already no clinical space for patients being ramped at present.
ANMF Tasmania secretary Emily Shepherd said the Department of Health has not addressed numerous risks in implementing the 60-minute ramping protocol.
“The concern is that if we are parking patients in corridors and then alcoves and basically anywhere there is floor space, that doesn’t necessarily mean there is available emergency equipment to be able to care for that patient.”
The Industrial Commission will meet again on Monday morning to hear further submissions on the protocol.
Labor Franklin candidate Dean Winter said the Commission’s decision meant the government’s ramping policy was “in tatters”.
“Fixing ambulance ramping can’t be achieved by glib three word slogans,” he said.“Morale among health workers is at an all-time low and genuine solutions are needed across the entire health system.
“This means more resources throughout our major hospitals, and more resources in our regions to take pressure off our hospitals.”
Health Minister Guy Barnett announced the new 60-minute ramping protocol in early February, and expanded on it during the election campaign.Premier Jeremy Rockliff said that the maximum time under the protocol would be reduced over time, to just 30 minutes by 2025.
Ms Shepherd said the ANMF challenge in the Industrial Commission centred around the claim that the Department had failed in its obligation to properly consult ANMF members over the change to a 60-minute protocol.“The change proposal closed on Thursday evening, with the change to be implemented on Monday morning, so clearly that only gave us one business day to get a response from the Department to consult with our members,” she said.
The case also put the ANMF at odds with the Health and Community Services Union, which joined the Department of Health and Ambulance Tasmania in opposing the ANMF application.
HACSU, whose members include paramedics, has supported the government’s move to introduce the initial phase of the ramping ban protocol, which would mean that hospitals would be obliged to take over care of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.
Paramedics have long complained that long waits with their patients at hospitals – a practice known as ramping – saps their resources and contributes to slow ambulance response times.Health Minister Guy Barnett said the government would work with the unions and the Tasmanian Industrial Commission to ensure that the 60-minute protocol was introduced.“Unlike Labor, we have not given up on fixing ramping,” he said. “We will work with the unions and the Commission on implementation of the 60 minutes protocol. “We will continue to work constructively with the unions, with clinicians, with hospital officials to ensure this is done safely and effectively.”
Examiner.
“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“
I wonder what’s going to be done with. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“
I wonder what’s going to be done with them. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
Duh, put them on ice just like it says, easy, they can fire them up later at leisure.
dv said:
OCDC said:
OCDC said:“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“Fixed.I wonder what’s going to be done with them. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
It’s just … insane that their plan is to try to legislate away the effect rather than addressing the cause.
Utter and obvious stupidity. But idiots will vote for their own kind.
dv said:
OCDC said:
OCDC said:
“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“Fixed.I wonder what’s going to be done with them. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
It’s just … insane that their plan is to try to legislate away the effect rather than addressing the cause.
It’s the obvious and most sensible solution.
It’s inevitable and necessary.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
OCDC said:
Fixed.
It’s just … insane that their plan is to try to legislate away the effect rather than addressing the cause.
Utter and obvious stupidity. But idiots will vote for their own kind.
Thankfully there is a better alternative¡ STEMocracy Now¡
dv said:
OCDC said:
OCDC said:“The Industrial Commission has blocked implementation of a government plan to require hospitals to accept transfer of ambulance patients within 60 minutes of arrival.“Fixed.I wonder what’s going to be done with them. I’ve worked at hospitals where patients are left in the waiting room with drips running, left in corridors (to such an extent that “corridor” has become an official bed number on the EMR), and doubled up in cubicles.
It’s just … insane that their plan is to try to legislate away the effect rather than addressing the cause.
Ah, but then it makes it someone else’s problem/fault.
It’s like a management fad that had a brief run in the 1990s. This said that the failure of ‘initiatives’ by management was not due to any inherent fault or impracticality with those initiatives/directives/drunken flights of fancy, but due to the failure of underlings to see the glorious merits of such strokes of managerial brilliance, and to devote sufficient energy and love to their implementation.
Thus, the problems were not for management to solve, as their pronouncements were, of course, quite perfect, but were the responsibility of the lazy and careless peasantry.
If you like your pub chock a block with poker machines you know how to vote.
Scam of the Week – The Taxman Can
The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRViMDO_M24
dv said:
Flamin’ heck Al Stewart, I could’ve gone!
dv said:
dv said:
Looks very much as though Labor is going to lose the by election in West Ipswich with a big double digit swing.Pollbludger notes:
It’s been noted that the informal vote in Ipswich West is out from 4.0% to 8.6%, which no doubt has a lot to do with an optional preferential voting council election being held on the same day as a compulsory preferential voting state by-election. Presumably this isn’t doing Labor any favours.Labor will retain Inala.
Looks very much as though Schrinner will retain mayorship of Brisbane.
Some chance that the Greens will pick up Paddington or Coorparoo in the council elections.
Ended up being an 18% swing to the LNP in West Ipswich is kind of a disaster for Labor.
Interesting, but might be politically difficult to do:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-18/stamp-duty-holding-us-back-from-moving-homes/103596026
Dutton telling porkies again. I don’t think he can help himself:
Sussan Ley telling porkies in 2022 about electric utes:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-30/fact-check-sussan-ley-electric-ute/101386412
“Like Peter Dutton, John Gorton once had a nuclear plan. It didn’t end well”. Note also that the CSIRO defended itself and its scientists after Dutton claimed (porkies again) that the CSIRO’s reports on relative costs of different types of electricity generation was discredited.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-15/peter-dutton-opposition-nuclear-energy/103590358
Liberal preselectors on Saturday opted for backbench senator Alex Antic as their vanguard, relegating shadow cabinet minister Anne Ruston to second.
Ruston is the Coalition’s health spokeswoman, the manager of opposition business in the senate and a former social services minister who sat on Scott Morrison’s expenditure review committee.
She’s the third most senior woman in the federal Liberal Party, behind deputy leader Sussan Ley and deputy senate leader Michaelia Cash.
Alex Antic is a first-term Liberal, the kind of backbencher who’s spent his time stoking culture wars on issues like trans rights and COVID policy. Antic on Monday told The Australian that gender was “a grievance narrative” and it needed to get back to its conservative roots.
Listed third behind Ruston and David Fawcett in 2019, Antic received 687 first preference votes, on a ticket that received more than 413,000.
He’s made no secret of his desire to topple Ruston in the years since.
Among moderate Liberals, there’s been no shortage of accusations flying around about what’s been happening through the membership in recent years. And it’s worth remembering that one person’s branch stack is another person’s membership drive.
Either way, members voted and Antic’s efforts have come to fruition.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-18/dutton-ruston-antic-women-preselection-liberals/103600346
sarahs mum said:
Liberal preselectors on Saturday opted for backbench senator Alex Antic as their vanguard, relegating shadow cabinet minister Anne Ruston to second.Ruston is the Coalition’s health spokeswoman, the manager of opposition business in the senate and a former social services minister who sat on Scott Morrison’s expenditure review committee.
She’s the third most senior woman in the federal Liberal Party, behind deputy leader Sussan Ley and deputy senate leader Michaelia Cash.
Alex Antic is a first-term Liberal, the kind of backbencher who’s spent his time stoking culture wars on issues like trans rights and COVID policy. Antic on Monday told The Australian that gender was “a grievance narrative” and it needed to get back to its conservative roots.
Listed third behind Ruston and David Fawcett in 2019, Antic received 687 first preference votes, on a ticket that received more than 413,000.
He’s made no secret of his desire to topple Ruston in the years since.
Among moderate Liberals, there’s been no shortage of accusations flying around about what’s been happening through the membership in recent years. And it’s worth remembering that one person’s branch stack is another person’s membership drive.
Either way, members voted and Antic’s efforts have come to fruition.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-18/dutton-ruston-antic-women-preselection-liberals/103600346
Alex is the Liberal party equivalent of ‘a good ol’ boy’. Or is on the track to become one.
captain_spalding said:
sarahs mum said:
Liberal preselectors on Saturday opted for backbench senator Alex Antic as their vanguard, relegating shadow cabinet minister Anne Ruston to second.Ruston is the Coalition’s health spokeswoman, the manager of opposition business in the senate and a former social services minister who sat on Scott Morrison’s expenditure review committee.
She’s the third most senior woman in the federal Liberal Party, behind deputy leader Sussan Ley and deputy senate leader Michaelia Cash.
Alex Antic is a first-term Liberal, the kind of backbencher who’s spent his time stoking culture wars on issues like trans rights and COVID policy. Antic on Monday told The Australian that gender was “a grievance narrative” and it needed to get back to its conservative roots.
Listed third behind Ruston and David Fawcett in 2019, Antic received 687 first preference votes, on a ticket that received more than 413,000.
He’s made no secret of his desire to topple Ruston in the years since.
Among moderate Liberals, there’s been no shortage of accusations flying around about what’s been happening through the membership in recent years. And it’s worth remembering that one person’s branch stack is another person’s membership drive.
Either way, members voted and Antic’s efforts have come to fruition.
more..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-18/dutton-ruston-antic-women-preselection-liberals/103600346
Alex is the Liberal party equivalent of ‘a good ol’ boy’. Or is on the track to become one.
His name ought rightly to be Alex Antique.
Speaking of brain worms.
Once again, well done Queensland (slow clap).
dv said:
Speaking of brain worms.
Once again, well done Queensland (slow clap).
People get too much sun up here.
Experts voice concerns over Tasmanian Liberal Party’s ‘stability clause’ plan to oust defectors from parliament:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/experts-respond-to-tas-liberals-stability-clause/103599746
Michael V said:
Experts voice concerns over Tasmanian Liberal Party’s ‘stability clause’ plan to oust defectors from parliament:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/experts-respond-to-tas-liberals-stability-clause/103599746
Eric ‘s running the TAS liberals now.
Also this attitude pisses me off. These bastards complain aboot minority governments when they happen and whine a lot. But that’s what the voters wanted. Just shut up and do the job. Try to be role models.
Michael V said:
Experts voice concerns over Tasmanian Liberal Party’s ‘stability clause’ plan to oust defectors from parliament:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/experts-respond-to-tas-liberals-stability-clause/103599746
Might be better if we could get rid of major party loyalists who don’t vote the way they said they would
thejuicemedia
2 hours ago (edited)
So we got a takedown notice from Tasmania’s Electoral Commission after it received a complaint – from somebody 🤔 – claiming our latest Honest Government Ad violates Tassie’s Electoral Act by showing a photo of the Tasmanian Premier. In a satirical video. One week out from an election. Apparently you can go to jail for that in Tasmania. Cool and normal
The video has been removed from all our pages while we prepare an appropriate response. But it’s still here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcqC… where we’ve blurred out the Glorious Leader’s photo
sarahs mum said:
thejuicemedia
2 hours ago (edited)
So we got a takedown notice from Tasmania’s Electoral Commission after it received a complaint – from somebody 🤔 – claiming our latest Honest Government Ad violates Tassie’s Electoral Act by showing a photo of the Tasmanian Premier. In a satirical video. One week out from an election. Apparently you can go to jail for that in Tasmania. Cool and normalThe video has been removed from all our pages while we prepare an appropriate response. But it’s still here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcqC… where we’ve blurred out the Glorious Leader’s photo
This video isn’t available anymore
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:thejuicemedia
2 hours ago (edited)
So we got a takedown notice from Tasmania’s Electoral Commission after it received a complaint – from somebody 🤔 – claiming our latest Honest Government Ad violates Tassie’s Electoral Act by showing a photo of the Tasmanian Premier. In a satirical video. One week out from an election. Apparently you can go to jail for that in Tasmania. Cool and normalThe video has been removed from all our pages while we prepare an appropriate response. But it’s still here on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfcqC… where we’ve blurred out the Glorious Leader’s photo
This video isn’t available anymore
Try this – https://youtu.be/EfcqCdGqjWQ
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-20/religious-discrimination-overhaul-reignites-debate/103607316
I thought religious discrimination was covered by the general anti-discrimination act.
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-20/religious-discrimination-overhaul-reignites-debate/103607316I thought religious discrimination was covered by the general anti-discrimination act.
It doesn’t make the ‘religious’ power-hunters feel special enough.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-20/religious-discrimination-overhaul-reignites-debate/103607316I thought religious discrimination was covered by the general anti-discrimination act.
It doesn’t make the ‘religious’ power-hunters feel special enough.
Far be it from me to defend anything said by a Lib, but not wanting to support legislation they haven’t seen doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-20/religious-discrimination-overhaul-reignites-debate/103607316I thought religious discrimination was covered by the general anti-discrimination act.
It doesn’t make the ‘religious’ power-hunters feel special enough.
Far be it from me to defend anything said by a Lib, but not wanting to support legislation they haven’t seen doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
but isn’t bipartisan support for a proposed bill done quite frequently?
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:It doesn’t make the ‘religious’ power-hunters feel special enough.
Far be it from me to defend anything said by a Lib, but not wanting to support legislation they haven’t seen doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
but isn’t bipartisan support for a proposed bill done quite frequently?
I’m not actually involved in deciding these things, but I presume that when an opposition party supports proposed legislation, they must know what that legislation includes, to a reasonable level of detail.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Far be it from me to defend anything said by a Lib, but not wanting to support legislation they haven’t seen doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
but isn’t bipartisan support for a proposed bill done quite frequently?
I’m not actually involved in deciding these things, but I presume that when an opposition party supports proposed legislation, they must know what that legislation includes, to a reasonable level of detail.
wasn’t the main issue with the voice referendum that they didn’t get bipartisan support for the idea before doing the legislation bit??
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:but isn’t bipartisan support for a proposed bill done quite frequently?
I’m not actually involved in deciding these things, but I presume that when an opposition party supports proposed legislation, they must know what that legislation includes, to a reasonable level of detail.
wasn’t the main issue with the voice referendum that they didn’t get bipartisan support for the idea before doing the legislation bit??
My understanding is that they were involved in the discussions leading up to the legislation, and chose not to support it at that stage.
Could be wrong of course.
But the voice referendum thing was clearly unashamed politicisation on their part, and I can’t see that the current debate has yet reached that stage.
I expect it will though, unless the Labs drop it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-20/religious-discrimination-overhaul-reignites-debate/103607316I thought religious discrimination was covered by the general anti-discrimination act.
It doesn’t make the ‘religious’ power-hunters feel special enough.
Far be it from me to defend anything said by a Lib, but not wanting to support legislation they haven’t seen doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
Only about 12 months to the election. Lab knows how Spud will play it and have decided on the preemtive action of bravely run away.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Far be it from me to defend anything said by a Lib, but not wanting to support legislation they haven’t seen doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
but isn’t bipartisan support for a proposed bill done quite frequently?
I’m not actually involved in deciding these things, but I presume that when an opposition party supports proposed legislation, they must know what that legislation includes, to a reasonable level of detail.
How van it be a lot different from what Scomo’s mob proposed?
According to the ABC, Greens are confirmed to have won Paddington so their number of wards has increased from 1 to 2.
ALP picked up Calamvale from the Libs but Libs won Wynnum Manly from the ALP so we’ll call that a draw eh?
Leonardo DiCaprio has doubled down on his plea for logging to come to an end in Tasmania, just days out from the state election.
The Hollywood actor, who is also a founder of environmental service Re:wild, consistently posts on social media to raise awareness about environmental issues.
He took to Instagram on Tuesday, AEST, to call for support to save giant forests in Tasmania from logging.
“Our planet’s last remaining ‘giants’ are in danger. The native forests of Tasmania are one of the only places on Earth where trees naturally tower over 280 feet tall,” he wrote in a post.
“For the past 20 years, the logging industry in Tasmania has relied heavily on taxpayer-funded subsidies to remain profitable. The Tasmanian government, for the first time since 2011, has announced an increase in the amount of native forest available for logging, despite 75% of Australians calling for an end to native forest logging altogether.”
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/leonardo-dicaprio-calls-on-tasmanian-government-to-end-native-forest-logging-ahead-of-saturday-election/news-story/e6b5fb19c78fefaff6e7c3da6046e9d9
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Far be it from me to defend anything said by a Lib, but not wanting to support legislation they haven’t seen doesn’t seem that unreasonable.
but isn’t bipartisan support for a proposed bill done quite frequently?
I’m not actually involved in deciding these things, but I presume that when an opposition party supports proposed legislation, they must know what that legislation includes, to a reasonable level of detail.
Whatever, and yous should note that we haven’t read this whole thread, but we disagree.
The Terror factory | The West Report
Westy reports on the latest hijinx of the media duopoly beating up terror threats, fear of China, TikTok, to stub out a competitor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQRS188TRQg
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He mentions more journalists have died in Gaza in the recent months than died over all of WWII.
Labor leader Rebecca White says she would govern in a minority, but sets boundaries
David Killick
Fate of new AFL stadium front and centre at Tasmania’s election debate
Labor leader Rebecca White says Labor is campaigning hard to win majority government — but would be willing to govern in minority without watering down party policies.
In an interview with The Mercury on Tuesday, Ms White also cast doubt on Premier Jeremy Rockliff’s ability to hang on to the Liberal leadership in an increasingly conservative party room.
Just three days out from the election, the Labor leader said she was determined to deliver her party’s agenda — but acknowledged opinion polling pointing to neither of the major parties winning enough of the 35 seats in the House of Assembly to govern in their own right.
“If we’re elected on the weekend, majority or minority, I want Tasmanians to know that our plan to address the cost of living and health and housing remains the same,” she said.
Labor leader Rebecca White in Hobart ahead of the Tasmanian state election 2024.
“There’s not going to be a trading away of policies or values and there’s certainly not going to be trading away of cabinet positions.
“There will be a Labor government with a Labor cabinet and I’ve been really clear there won’t be any deals with the Greens or minor parties or independents.
“We will respect the wishes of the people and if the parliament presents us with an opportunity to form minority government and have confidence and supply and it allows us to deliver on our agenda, then I think we do have an opportunity to bring people together.
“It’s about bringing our state together. We’re a small place, we shall be able to work together in the best interest of our community.”
Ms White questioned whether Premier Jeremy Rockliff — a moderate in an increasingly conservative party — would be able to hang on as leader given the turnover in the top job in recent years. She said the premier “looked tired”.
“The other thing Tasmanians should think about this election is who they want their Premier to be?” Ms White said.
“If a Labor Government is elected it will be me, if the Liberal Party’s elected to government, will it be Jeremy Rockliff or will it be Michael Ferguson or Eric Abetz because we’ve seen time and again, that they’ve swapped leaders.
“There’s a very high probability that Jeremy doesn’t last beyond the first party room meeting because of the extraordinarily high number of right-wing candidates they have running who stand a good chance to be elected if Tasmanians vote Liberal.
“That will change the way that we change the face of the Liberal Party in Tasmania.
“They will no longer be regarded as moderate, there’s no Will Hodgman or Peter Gutwein.
“Jeremy Rockliff’s the last man standing. Behind him is an army of right-wing Liberal Party candidates who will skew the way this party operates to be far more conservative and less tolerant.”
Ms White said Tasmanians had had enough time to see what the Liberals would deliver in power — citing outcomes in education, housing and health as prime examples.
She said a plethora of new ideas and policy announcements during the election campaign would not fool voters.
“The cynic in me just thinks what’s going to be any different if they’re elected for another four years?
“Because over the past 10 years, we haven’t seen improvements, in fact, we’re seeing things go backwards?”
Mercury.
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I think she’s right about the right becoming righter.
https://youtu.be/S0qlevefSjE?si=fO893VYlL3NykKlo
Turnbull defends Rudd after Trump’s attacks
dv said:
https://youtu.be/S0qlevefSjE?si=fO893VYlL3NykKloTurnbull defends Rudd after Trump’s attacks
i find it hard to believe that trump will win the presidency again. i also agree with turnbull.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/S0qlevefSjE?si=fO893VYlL3NykKloTurnbull defends Rudd after Trump’s attacks
i find it hard to believe that trump will win the presidency again. i also agree with turnbull.
I’m expecting this to be a close election. Because of the machinations of the Electoral College, JB probably needs to win the popular vote by at least 3%. His position in the polls has improved in recent weeks but it’s still basically neck and neck.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/S0qlevefSjE?si=fO893VYlL3NykKloTurnbull defends Rudd after Trump’s attacks
i find it hard to believe that trump will win the presidency again. i also agree with turnbull.
I’m expecting this to be a close election. Because of the machinations of the Electoral College, JB probably needs to win the popular vote by at least 3%. His position in the polls has improved in recent weeks but it’s still basically neck and neck.
aside from my disbelief that people would vote for Trump under any circumstances… there seems to be republicans saying they will vote for Biden and republicans saying they won’t vote.
Honest Government Ad | Visit Tasmania! (Government Approved Version)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1609496776490989
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | Visit Tasmania! (Government Approved Version)https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1609496776490989
Well I hope they had the decency to blur the Premier’s picture
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | Visit Tasmania! (Government Approved Version)https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1609496776490989
Well I hope they had the decency to blur the Premier’s picture
they have done so. they also added a preamble.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | Visit Tasmania! (Government Approved Version)https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1609496776490989
Well I hope they had the decency to blur the Premier’s picture
they have done so. they also added a preamble.
Excellent work.
I’d build 4 stadiums in tassie just to spite them
Once the last one is built I’d go back to the first one and knock it down in the name of safety and start all over again.
wookiemeister said:
I’d build 4 stadiums in tassie just to spite them
that’s almost happening. there is the mac point stadium. upgrades to york park and two ovals in bellerive.
sarahs mum said:
wookiemeister said:
I’d build 4 stadiums in tassie just to spite them
that’s almost happening. there is the mac point stadium. upgrades to york park and two ovals in bellerive.
wookiemeister said:
Once the last one is built I’d go back to the first one and knock it down in the name of safety and start all over again.
Why not build one in Toowoomba. Just far enough away from Brisbane to be useful for the Olympics/
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
Honest Government Ad | Visit Tasmania! (Government Approved Version)https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1609496776490989
Well I hope they had the decency to blur the Premier’s picture
they have done so. they also added a preamble.
Amended version – without the preamble: Visit Tasmania
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/20/the-juice-media-tasmania-premier-jeremy-rockliff-video-censor-laws
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Martine Delaney (born 15 October 1957) is an Australian trans rights activist and former soccer player who became the first transgender woman to be inducted into the Tasmanian Honour Roll of Women in 2021. She first rose to prominence in 2005 when she received national press attention after joining a female soccer team following her transition.
Sports career
Prior to her transition, Delaney played in men’s soccer teams in Tasmania for twenty-five years. In 2005, after her transition, she joined Clarence United, a women’s soccer team, becoming the first Australian to play in both men and women’s soccer teams. A decision made later that year by Soccer Tasmania to permit Delaney to continue to play for the team was subsequently upheld by Football Federation Australia (now Football Australia), the national governing body for the sport. Delaney went on to advise Football Australia and the Australian Football League on the development of trans-inclusive policies.
Since retiring from sport, Delaney has continued to advocate for the rights of trans athletes in sport. In 2022, she criticised the global swimming federation FINA for issuing a blanket ban on the participation of trans women in elite swimming competitions, calling their actions an “inherently discriminatory response”. Delaney has long been critical of complaints that trans female athletes have enhanced muscle mass compared to their biological female counterparts, citing the impact of regular oestrogen use as negating such advantages.
Activism
In 2003, Delaney joined the Equal Rights Network (ERN) and subsequently became an active member of the Tasmanian Gay and Lesbian Rights Group (now known as Equality Tasmania). She has also served as a board member of Working It Out. Delaney is also a member of Tasmania Police’s LGBT reference group.
Since 2004, Delaney has called on Tasmanian politicians to change the state’s legal recognition of gender, and in 2017 co-founded Transforming Tasmania which advocates for trans right on a state level. In 2018, she called on the Tasmanian government to end mandatory divorce in cases when one spouse legally changed their gender.
In 2019, the Tasmanian government passed legislation that made the inclusion of gender on birth certificates optional, alongside permitting people over the age of 16 the right to change their registered gender without the requirement of first undergoing gender affirmation surgery.
On a national level in 2006, Delaney began lobbying the Australian government to reform gender markers on Australian passports. In 2011, she worked with the Department of Foreign Affairs to review passport regulations, which led to trans people having their chosen gender represented on their travel documents. Delaney also advocated for marriage equality, and was a founding member of both the Australian Coalition for Equality and Australian Marriage Equality. Same-sex marriage was ultimately legalised in Australia in 2017.
Politics
In 2015, Delaney announced her intention to become Australia’s first transgender federal politician as a candidate for the Division of Franklin within the House of Representatives; she was endorsed by the Greens. Delaney ultimately placed third, with 9,293 votes (13.35% of the total vote), losing out to the Labor incumbent Julie Collins; this represented a 1.17% increase in the Green vote share. In 2024 she announced her candidacy for the 2024 Tasmanian state election as an independent candidate.
Writing
Delaney co-wrote two episodes for the second season of the children’s drama series First Day. The show, which follows a 12-year-old trans girl navigating her first year of high school, has won an International Emmy Award and the Rose d’Or.
As a journalist, Delaney has written for The Guardian and The Mercury.
Recognition
In 2013, Delaney was recognised as a “human book” by the Hobart Human Library. Entitled Sex Change Soccer Star Cyber Tranny Granny, it recognised her “courage and resilience” and her role in raising the visibility of trans people in Tasmania.
In 2021, Delaney was inducted into the Tasmanian Honour Roll of Women for services to “human rights; justice and corrections; community advocacy and inclusion; and sport and recreation”. She was the first trans woman to be an inductee.
Personal life
Delaney transitioned in 2003. As of 2013, she lives with her partner and daughter in Tasmania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martine_Delaney
sarahs mum said:
LOLOL
sarahs mum said:
It should become a hotel but a really upmarket one.
Tau.Neutrino said:
sarahs mum said:
It should become a hotel but a really upmarket one.
Then all the federal parliament office sex can go over there.
Twitter recommended this to me.
That’s not how this meme works, Rockliff.
I suppose I should get some drinks and nibbles for the election coverage tomorrow.
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/03/how-to-best-use-your-vote-in-2024.html
signed,
undecided.
we do know eric is last.
Freshwater poll indicates what previous polls have suggested: neither Libs nor Labor/Green will reach 18 seats so Lambie and/or Independents will likely be kingmakers. Even after the votes are counted it might be a little while before we know who has won.
Tasmania election: Polling shows collapse in major party vote
David Killick
‘All the pundits’ believe Liberals will fall into minority government in Tasmania
The major parties are facing a collapse in their primary vote at Saturday’s state election – with the Jacqui Lambie Network and independents appearing to be the main beneficiaries.
Seat-by-seat polling conducted Freshwater Strategy a fortnight ago, obtained by the Mercury, shows the Liberals on track to win the most seats, but not enough to govern in majority.
Premier Jeremy Rockliff on Thursday claimed: “We’re within a whisker away, according to the polls, of achieving majority government.”
The pollster estimates that the Liberals could win 15 seats in the 35-seat House of Assembly; Labor nine; the Greens four; the Jacqui Lambie Network three; and there could be four independents elected.
The polling asked 800 voters in each of the five seats where they were going to allocate their number one preference vote.
If the polling holds true, the swing against the government would be strongest in Lyons, where 38 per cent of those surveyed said they were intending to vote Liberal, down from the 51 per cent recorded at the 2021 election.
Labor’s Lyons vote would fall from 32 per cent to 23 per cent if the polling held true, the Greens would rise four percentage points to 13 per cent; and Lambie and independent candidates would be on track to receive 11 per cent of the primary vote each.
High-profile former Liberal John Tucker is one of six candidates campaigning in the seat as an independent. Green Tabatha Badger is the party’s lead candidate in the Lyons.
In Bass, with the absence of former Premier Peter Gutwein on the ballot, the Liberals recorded the support of 40 per cent of those surveyed, down from the 60 per cent at the last election.
Labor recorded the support of 26 per cent of respondents, which would be unchanged from the 2021 election if repeated on election day.
The Greens were the first choice of 10 per cent of respondents and the Lambie Network also recorded 10 per cent, putting both in strong contention for a seat.
In Braddon, the Liberals recorded 49 per cent support in the poll, down from 57 per cent in 2021, while Labor dropped from 27 per cent to just 15 per cent.
Support for the Lambie Network was at its highest level Braddon, at 13 per cent, while independents were at 10 per cent.
The drift away from the major parties is less pronounced in the southern seats.
In Clark, Liberal candidates are tipped to take 26 per cent of the primary vote, down from 32 per cent; Labor 21 per cent, down from 22 per cent; and the Greens hold steady on 20 per cent.
Independents recorded the support of 28 per cent of those polled, leading to the possibility of two being elected. Seven are in the mix, including incumbent Kristie Johnston and former Liberal Sue Hickey.
And in Franklin, the Liberals were the first choice of 33 per cent of those polled, down from 42 per cent; Labor was at 27 per cent, down from 33 per cent; the Greens at 13 per cent, down six points. Independent candidates were attracting 17 per cent support.
A first preference count that low could spell trouble for sitting Liberal members Nic Street and Dean Young who are sharing the ticket with high-profile candidates Eric Abetz and Jacquie Petrusma.
Former Labor MP David O’Byrne is one of six candidates running as independents in Franklin.
david.killick@news.com.au
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
Bubblecar said:
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
I expect some of them will vote lambie although they are against it.
Bubblecar said:
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
not all morons are fans of AFL, and not all fans of AFL are morons… that said, both the set of all morons and all AFL fans have the right to vote for the things they feel are important. which is grand…
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
I expect some of them will vote lambie although they are against it.
There has been a record number of applications for the $10 foundation membership. It’s only a token amount when actual membership cost over $200 but it does show there might be enough enthusiasm to make a new stadium viable. I expect there will be some discussion about making the stadium less obtrusive in the backer’s preferred location.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
not all morons are fans of AFL, and not all fans of AFL are morons… that said, both the set of all morons and all AFL fans have the right to vote for the things they feel are important. which is grand…
I’m sure there are some AFL fans who don’t support this fancy stadium. But the moronic ones do, and there are likely to be plenty of them in rural Tas.
Whether it’s “grand” that morons often decide election outcomes is at least debatable.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-22/fact-check-dick-smith-renewables-entire-country/103617364
Dick Smith says no country has ever been able to run entirely on renewables. Is that correct?
(No.)
Chris Bowen says the average time taken to build a nuclear plant in the US has been 19 years. Is that correct?
(Exaggerated.)
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
not all morons are fans of AFL, and not all fans of AFL are morons… that said, both the set of all morons and all AFL fans have the right to vote for the things they feel are important. which is grand…
I’m sure there are some AFL fans who don’t support this fancy stadium. But the moronic ones do, and there are likely to be plenty of them in rural Tas.
Whether it’s “grand” that morons often decide election outcomes is at least debatable.
Build it and they will come.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:not all morons are fans of AFL, and not all fans of AFL are morons… that said, both the set of all morons and all AFL fans have the right to vote for the things they feel are important. which is grand…
I’m sure there are some AFL fans who don’t support this fancy stadium. But the moronic ones do, and there are likely to be plenty of them in rural Tas.
Whether it’s “grand” that morons often decide election outcomes is at least debatable.
Build it and they will come.
But who wants to watch baseball?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
I expect some of them will vote lambie although they are against it.
There has been a record number of applications for the $10 foundation membership. It’s only a token amount when actual membership cost over $200 but it does show there might be enough enthusiasm to make a new stadium viable. I expect there will be some discussion about making the stadium less obtrusive in the backer’s preferred location.
people collecting stickers.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-22/fact-check-dick-smith-renewables-entire-country/103617364Dick Smith says no country has ever been able to run entirely on renewables. Is that correct?
(No.)
Chris Bowen says the average time taken to build a nuclear plant in the US has been 19 years. Is that correct?
(Exaggerated.)
The article on the nuclear reactors build time was interesting, its did seem to average out to that
Earlier models quicker newer ones longer
Are the rebel lbs running as independents?
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
A expect a lot of the morons in this electorate will vote for the fancy footy stadium.
not all morons are fans of AFL, and not all fans of AFL are morons… that said, both the set of all morons and all AFL fans have the right to vote for the things they feel are important. which is grand…
I’m sure there are some AFL fans who don’t support this fancy stadium. But the moronic ones do, and there are likely to be plenty of them in rural Tas.
Whether it’s “grand” that morons often decide election outcomes is at least debatable.
elections are, more often than not, decided at the margins.. I’d much prefer this to be the case than the alternative. In anycase, I’m not sure wanting a stadium to be built (in of itself) makes a person a moron.
Peak Warming Man said:
Are the rebel lbs running as independents?
Rebel scum, The Empire will deal with them
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:not all morons are fans of AFL, and not all fans of AFL are morons… that said, both the set of all morons and all AFL fans have the right to vote for the things they feel are important. which is grand…
I’m sure there are some AFL fans who don’t support this fancy stadium. But the moronic ones do, and there are likely to be plenty of them in rural Tas.
Whether it’s “grand” that morons often decide election outcomes is at least debatable.
elections are, more often than not, decided at the margins.. I’d much prefer this to be the case than the alternative. In anycase, I’m not sure wanting a stadium to be built (in of itself) makes a person a moron.
I’m good with a stadium. But not there. I’m also not sold on the extra grounds to be provided by taking over the Rosny wetlands.
Peak Warming Man said:
Are the rebel lbs running as independents?
What’s that in kg?
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Are the rebel lbs running as independents?
What’s that in kg?
The 2 Libs who defected, I’d imagine they would not have been preselected.
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:not all morons are fans of AFL, and not all fans of AFL are morons… that said, both the set of all morons and all AFL fans have the right to vote for the things they feel are important. which is grand…
I’m sure there are some AFL fans who don’t support this fancy stadium. But the moronic ones do, and there are likely to be plenty of them in rural Tas.
Whether it’s “grand” that morons often decide election outcomes is at least debatable.
elections are, more often than not, decided at the margins.. I’d much prefer this to be the case than the alternative. In anycase, I’m not sure wanting a stadium to be built (in of itself) makes a person a moron.
You should hot foot it back to QLD where not building stadiums is the latest fashion.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Are the rebel lbs running as independents?
What’s that in kg?
The 2 Libs who defected, I’d imagine they would not have been preselected.
also David O’Byrne ex lab.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Are the rebel lbs running as independents?
What’s that in kg?
The 2 Libs who defected, I’d imagine they would not have been preselected.
Yes, I knew what you meant. I was making light of your typo.
I think it’s the price tag that disconcerts them. Just the Tasmanian govt share is $375 m. It’s a lot of money for an elliptical sporting venue in a town of 200000 people when there are so many other gravely urgent priorities such as the hospitals.
But the boffinators believe that the revenue will be enough to make it worth while so hopefully they didn’t make any Oppie errors.
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:I’m sure there are some AFL fans who don’t support this fancy stadium. But the moronic ones do, and there are likely to be plenty of them in rural Tas.
Whether it’s “grand” that morons often decide election outcomes is at least debatable.
elections are, more often than not, decided at the margins.. I’d much prefer this to be the case than the alternative. In anycase, I’m not sure wanting a stadium to be built (in of itself) makes a person a moron.
You should hot foot it back to QLD where not building stadiums is the latest fashion.
I’m so lost.. so does not wanting a stadium make a person a moron now??
;)
The Hobart nephew is actually standing in Clark this election, but at number 6 on the Greens ticket so isn’t expecting to change careers :)
Still it will be interesting to see how many votes he can score.
dv said:
I think it’s the price tag that disconcerts them. Just the Tasmanian govt share is $375 m. It’s a lot of money for an elliptical sporting venue in a town of 200000 people when there are so many other gravely urgent priorities such as the hospitals.
But the boffinators believe that the revenue will be enough to make it worth while so hopefully they didn’t make any Oppie errors.
They could have the Olympics there. Rent it out to Brisbane for a few weeks.
Bubblecar said:
The Hobart nephew is actually standing in Clark this election, but at number 6 on the Greens ticket so isn’t expecting to change careers :)Still it will be interesting to see how many votes he can score.
…actually number 7.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
The Hobart nephew is actually standing in Clark this election, but at number 6 on the Greens ticket so isn’t expecting to change careers :)Still it will be interesting to see how many votes he can score.
…actually number 7.
not a chance. but good on ‘im.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
The Hobart nephew is actually standing in Clark this election, but at number 6 on the Greens ticket so isn’t expecting to change careers :)Still it will be interesting to see how many votes he can score.
…actually number 7.
not a chance. but good on ‘im.
It’s just to “learn the ropes” really.
Bubblecar said:
The Hobart nephew is actually standing in Clark this election, but at number 6 on the Greens ticket so isn’t expecting to change careers :)Still it will be interesting to see how many votes he can score.
Well I’m sure I’d vote for him if I were in the fine district of Lyons
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
The Hobart nephew is actually standing in Clark this election, but at number 6 on the Greens ticket so isn’t expecting to change careers :)Still it will be interesting to see how many votes he can score.
…actually number 7.
So if the Greens cleansweep the Division, he’s all set.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
The Hobart nephew is actually standing in Clark this election, but at number 6 on the Greens ticket so isn’t expecting to change careers :)Still it will be interesting to see how many votes he can score.
Well I’m sure I’d vote for him if I were in the fine district of Lyons
Clark.
dv said:
That’s reassuring, ta Sky.
dv said:
Not often you see Sky News publishing an article praising the actions of a Labor party ex-PM, but good on ‘em for doing it this time.
sarahs mum said:
About time Erica packed it in and took up knitting or something.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
About time Erica packed it in and took up knitting or something.
You sent
I’ll have a few dollars on him being the leader of the libs by the next election.
You sent
I’m going to hate that.
Heidi
Eeek I hate even his grinding voice
Heidi
Time he retired
You sent
again.
Heidi
For good
You sent
in another state. or country.
Heidi
Moon
Heidi
Mars
You sent
take a left at alpha centauri.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
About time Erica packed it in and took up knitting or something.
You sent
I’ll have a few dollars on him being the leader of the libs by the next election.You sent
I’m going to hate that.Heidi
Eeek I hate even his grinding voiceHeidi
Time he retiredYou sent
again.Heidi
For goodYou sent
in another state. or country.Heidi
MoonHeidi
MarsYou sent
take a left at alpha centauri.
Yes Anna was saying if he does get in there’s a good chance of him becoming Lib leader, and I groaned at the thought of that voice grinding away in the daily media.
Good job I don’t watch or listen to much news these days.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:About time Erica packed it in and took up knitting or something.
You sent
I’ll have a few dollars on him being the leader of the libs by the next election.You sent
I’m going to hate that.Heidi
Eeek I hate even his grinding voiceHeidi
Time he retiredYou sent
again.Heidi
For goodYou sent
in another state. or country.Heidi
MoonHeidi
MarsYou sent
take a left at alpha centauri.
Yes Anna was saying if he does get in there’s a good chance of him becoming Lib leader, and I groaned at the thought of that voice grinding away in the daily media.
Good job I don’t watch or listen to much news these days.
the libs look like they are taking a step to the right.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:You sent
I’ll have a few dollars on him being the leader of the libs by the next election.You sent
I’m going to hate that.Heidi
Eeek I hate even his grinding voiceHeidi
Time he retiredYou sent
again.Heidi
For goodYou sent
in another state. or country.Heidi
MoonHeidi
MarsYou sent
take a left at alpha centauri.
Yes Anna was saying if he does get in there’s a good chance of him becoming Lib leader, and I groaned at the thought of that voice grinding away in the daily media.
Good job I don’t watch or listen to much news these days.
the libs look like they are taking a step to the right.
Seems to be what’s cooking in the background.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:You sent
I’ll have a few dollars on him being the leader of the libs by the next election.You sent
I’m going to hate that.Heidi
Eeek I hate even his grinding voiceHeidi
Time he retiredYou sent
again.Heidi
For goodYou sent
in another state. or country.Heidi
MoonHeidi
MarsYou sent
take a left at alpha centauri.
Yes Anna was saying if he does get in there’s a good chance of him becoming Lib leader, and I groaned at the thought of that voice grinding away in the daily media.
Good job I don’t watch or listen to much news these days.
the libs look like they are taking a step to the right.
And put their hands on their hips?
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
I thought they’d gone to history.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
Kind of alarming how many deadset nutbars remain in that party
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
I thought they’d gone to history.
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Well, that’s nice.
Michael V said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Well, that’s nice.
Democracy Good ¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
We need to remain ever vigilant, communism is not defeated yet.
There are still people around who in their black heart still hold to that belief, take Geremy Corbin for example.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
I thought they’d gone to history.
The LNP are confused between historical and hysterical.
STEMocracy Communist ¡
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
We need to remain ever vigilant, communism is not defeated yet.
There are still people around who in their black heart still hold to that belief, take Geremy Corbin for example.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
Kind of alarming how many deadset nutbars remain in that party
There’s more fanatical nutjobs in the L/NP than there is in the Communist Party.
I think Jacqui Lambi’s tea party could do alright, think she would be the March Hare or perhaps the Duchess.
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
I was mentioning last night about the libs potentially going crazy right.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
LNP Senator for Qld Gerard Rennick has endorsed Tasmanian antivaxer Julie Sladden, saying that she is “taking a stand as a patriot to make sure we stop the communists from taking over the country.”
I was mentioning last night about the libs potentially going crazy right.
What a nutter…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Rennick
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Those damn communists are so sneaky I didn’t even realise a coup was imminent.
Kind of alarming how many deadset nutbars remain in that party
There’s more fanatical nutjobs in the L/NP than there is in the Communist Party.
Benny Hill had a sister who moved to Australia and was a member of the Australian Communist Party – apparently Benny used to pay for their annual Christmas do.
Peak Warming Man said:
I think Jacqui Lambi’s tea party could do alright, think she would be the March Hare or perhaps the Duchess.
Is that a reference to the Hare Clark system?
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
I think Jacqui Lambi’s tea party could do alright, think she would be the March Hare or perhaps the Duchess.
Is that a reference to the Hare Clark system?
Not intentionally.
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Kind of alarming how many deadset nutbars remain in that party
There’s more fanatical nutjobs in the L/NP than there is in the Communist Party.
Benny Hill had a sister who moved to Australia and was a member of the Australian Communist Party – apparently Benny used to pay for their annual Christmas do.
That was nice of him.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Neophyte said:
captain_spalding said:There’s more fanatical nutjobs in the L/NP than there is in the Communist Party.
Benny Hill had a sister who moved to Australia and was a member of the Australian Communist Party – apparently Benny used to pay for their annual Christmas do.
That was nice of him.
The comedy was just a front his real plan was to detonate his relatives and fly to Dover.
there were on democracy sausages.
exit polling of five people in my street. everyone voted green or independent.
sarahs mum said:
there were on democracy sausages.exit polling of five people in my street. everyone voted green or independent.
no democracy sausage. no. none.
everybody. except Janina who only numbered to 8.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
there were on democracy sausages.exit polling of five people in my street. everyone voted green or independent.
no democracy sausage. no. none.
strangely enough, I read it as “no” the first time and didn’t even notice the spelling mistake.
sarahs mum said:
sarahs mum said:
there were on democracy sausages.exit polling of five people in my street. everyone voted green or independent.
no democracy sausage. no. none.
Aww. For a moment I was thinking “democracy sausages were ON!”
sarahs mum said:
everybody. except Janina who only numbered to 8.
:)
Sportsbet is offering 11.00 ( ten to one in the old money) for ALP govt to be sworn in.
This seems really high.
dv said:
Sportsbet is offering 11.00 ( ten to one in the old money) for ALP govt to be sworn in.This seems really high.
Does anyone really care about this tiny electorate of 400000? That’s about the same size as the Hunter valley.
Ian said:
dv said:
Sportsbet is offering 11.00 ( ten to one in the old money) for ALP govt to be sworn in.This seems really high.
Does anyone really care about this tiny electorate of 400000? That’s about the same size as the Hunter valley.
Yes.
Ian said:
dv said:
Sportsbet is offering 11.00 ( ten to one in the old money) for ALP govt to be sworn in.This seems really high.
Does anyone really care about this tiny electorate of 400000? That’s about the same size as the Hunter valley.
Yes.
I care.
sarahs mum said:
I care.
My own nephew is a candidate, although I doubt he’s been practising any victory speeches :)
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
dv said:
Sportsbet is offering 11.00 ( ten to one in the old money) for ALP govt to be sworn in.This seems really high.
Does anyone really care about this tiny electorate of 400000? That’s about the same size as the Hunter valley.
Yes.
You can’t even be bothered in enroling to vote.
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:Does anyone really care about this tiny electorate of 400000? That’s about the same size as the Hunter valley.
Yes.
You can’t even be bothered in enroling to vote.
Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:Yes.
You can’t even be bothered in enroling to vote.
Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
Well what are you doing living here!
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:You can’t even be bothered in enroling to vote.
Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
Well what are you doing living here!
What are you doing living here?
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:Yes.
You can’t even be bothered in enroling to vote.
Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
I hope they don’t throw you out sometime due to govt arseholeness.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:Yes.
You can’t even be bothered in enroling to vote.
Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
Well, become a citizen! How long have you been in Australia?
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
Well what are you doing living here!
What are you doing living here?
I was born here. Enrolment was a given.
Come on the revolution you’ll be the first up against the wall.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:You can’t even be bothered in enroling to vote.
Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
I hope they don’t throw you out sometime due to govt arseholeness.
It’s not very likely.
Incidentally none of the other English-born siblings are Oz citizens either, but they were enrolled to vote before the law changed regarding British citizens and their voting rights down under.
I wasn’t because before 1983, when the law changed, I was a bit of a devil-may-care art studentish anarchist type.
Ian said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:Well what are you doing living here!
What are you doing living here?
I was born here. Enrolment was a given.
Come on the revolution you’ll be the first up against the wall.
Along with all the other wogs, poms and foreigners, I understand.
Have they been electorated yet?
Woodie said:
Have they been electorated yet?
Patience, my son. Booths are open until 6.
Local ABC coverage starts around then, but I don’t know if mainland ABC will be showing it. Maybe on their News channel.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
I hope they don’t throw you out sometime due to govt arseholeness.
It’s not very likely.
Incidentally none of the other English-born siblings are Oz citizens either, but they were enrolled to vote before the law changed regarding British citizens and their voting rights down under.
I wasn’t because before 1983, when the law changed, I was a bit of a devil-may-care art studentish anarchist type.
Is it easy and open to you to apply for citizenship, or is there some other barrier to joining us?
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Have they been electorated yet?
Patience, my son. Booths are open until 6.
Local ABC coverage starts around then, but I don’t know if mainland ABC will be showing it. Maybe on their News channel.
Tis on ABC News 24 from 6pm.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:Seems some posters will never quite grasp the fact that I can’t enrol to vote because I’m not an Oz citizen.
I hope they don’t throw you out sometime due to govt arseholeness.
It’s not very likely.
Incidentally none of the other English-born siblings are Oz citizens either, but they were enrolled to vote before the law changed regarding British citizens and their voting rights down under.
I wasn’t because before 1983, when the law changed, I was a bit of a devil-may-care art studentish anarchist type.
You’ve changed man.
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:I hope they don’t throw you out sometime due to govt arseholeness.
It’s not very likely.
Incidentally none of the other English-born siblings are Oz citizens either, but they were enrolled to vote before the law changed regarding British citizens and their voting rights down under.
I wasn’t because before 1983, when the law changed, I was a bit of a devil-may-care art studentish anarchist type.
Is it easy and open to you to apply for citizenship, or is there some other barrier to joining us?
I have no copy of my birth certificate, which has been a problem every time I need my identity confirmed, so much so that I have an aversion to even going down that road unless strictly necessarily. Getting a copy of my birth certificate from the UK would involve having to demonstrate my identity to my birth country by other means and would likely be complicated and costly.
Given that I would be doing all that just to become a citizen of another country that upholds the fecking so-called royals as their heads of state, you can understand my reluctance.
If/when Oz becomes a republic, I might feel more motivated.
Ian said:
dv said:
Sportsbet is offering 11.00 ( ten to one in the old money) for ALP govt to be sworn in.This seems really high.
Does anyone really care about this tiny electorate of 400000? That’s about the same size as the Hunter valley.
But yeah it is on the minor side. My dirtwater berg home town is going to go past Hobart in population soon.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:It’s not very likely.
Incidentally none of the other English-born siblings are Oz citizens either, but they were enrolled to vote before the law changed regarding British citizens and their voting rights down under.
I wasn’t because before 1983, when the law changed, I was a bit of a devil-may-care art studentish anarchist type.
Is it easy and open to you to apply for citizenship, or is there some other barrier to joining us?
I have no copy of my birth certificate, which has been a problem every time I need my identity confirmed, so much so that I have an aversion to even going down that road unless strictly necessarily. Getting a copy of my birth certificate from the UK would involve having to demonstrate my identity to my birth country by other means and would likely be complicated and costly.
Given that I would be doing all that just to become a citizen of another country that upholds the fecking so-called royals as their heads of state, you can understand my reluctance.
If/when Oz becomes a republic, I might feel more motivated.
Or you could become an aussie and lobby for a republic.
sarahs mum said:
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:Is it easy and open to you to apply for citizenship, or is there some other barrier to joining us?
I have no copy of my birth certificate, which has been a problem every time I need my identity confirmed, so much so that I have an aversion to even going down that road unless strictly necessarily. Getting a copy of my birth certificate from the UK would involve having to demonstrate my identity to my birth country by other means and would likely be complicated and costly.
Given that I would be doing all that just to become a citizen of another country that upholds the fecking so-called royals as their heads of state, you can understand my reluctance.
If/when Oz becomes a republic, I might feel more motivated.
Or you could become an aussie and lobby for a republic.
I can lobby for a republic now.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:It’s not very likely.
Incidentally none of the other English-born siblings are Oz citizens either, but they were enrolled to vote before the law changed regarding British citizens and their voting rights down under.
I wasn’t because before 1983, when the law changed, I was a bit of a devil-may-care art studentish anarchist type.
Is it easy and open to you to apply for citizenship, or is there some other barrier to joining us?
I have no copy of my birth certificate, which has been a problem every time I need my identity confirmed, so much so that I have an aversion to even going down that road unless strictly necessarily. Getting a copy of my birth certificate from the UK would involve having to demonstrate my identity to my birth country by other means and would likely be complicated and costly.
Given that I would be doing all that just to become a citizen of another country that upholds the fecking so-called royals as their heads of state, you can understand my reluctance.
If/when Oz becomes a republic, I might feel more motivated.
OK. That is a bit of a handicap I suppose.
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Woodie said:
Have they been electorated yet?
Patience, my son. Booths are open until 6.
Local ABC coverage starts around then, but I don’t know if mainland ABC will be showing it. Maybe on their News channel.
Tis on ABC News 24 from 6pm.
It will have the usual suspects commenting, Barry from the Greens party, Bwian from the Social Alliance party, Tiger Lilly from the Free Everything NOW party.
But really we should care about the electoral over-representation Taswegian voters. The principle of proportional representation and ‘one vote, one value’ goes right out the window.
Ian said:
But really we should care about the electoral over-representation Taswegian voters. The principle of proportional representation and ‘one vote, one value’ goes right out the window.
It was a deliberate trade-off made when the Federation was created. I am not concerned over it.
party_pants said:
Ian said:
But really we should care about the electoral over-representation Taswegian voters. The principle of proportional representation and ‘one vote, one value’ goes right out the window.It was a deliberate trade-off made when the Federation was created. I am not concerned over it.
Otherwise we’d end up like the UK, where all the power and wealth is concentrated in the south-east and the rest of the country abandoned and left to struggle along on their own.
We triangle islanders know we are hated by the Ians of this world.
Water, back, duck’s.
party_pants said:
party_pants said:
Ian said:
But really we should care about the electoral over-representation Taswegian voters. The principle of proportional representation and ‘one vote, one value’ goes right out the window.It was a deliberate trade-off made when the Federation was created. I am not concerned over it.
Otherwise we’d end up like the UK, where all the power and wealth is concentrated in the south-east and the rest of the country abandoned and left to struggle along on their own.
Well, we could at least cut the number of senators to 2.
Ian said:
party_pants said:
party_pants said:It was a deliberate trade-off made when the Federation was created. I am not concerned over it.
Otherwise we’d end up like the UK, where all the power and wealth is concentrated in the south-east and the rest of the country abandoned and left to struggle along on their own.
Well, we could at least cut the number of senators to 2.
No. It was a deliberate choice to do things this way, with each state having the same number of senators. It was known that over time the population of some states would grow more than others and that the ratio of voters to senators would become unbalanced. What we have today is what was supposed would happen.
I doubt the Federation would have succeeded without that. I doubt if any proposed change would carry in a referendum.
In 2019, it took 50,285 votes to win a Senate spot in Tasmania but 670,761 votes in New South Wales.
Hmm
Ian said:
In 2019, it took 50,285 votes to win a Senate spot in Tasmania but 670,761 votes in New South Wales.Hmm
They are unrepresentatives, Will.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
In 2019, it took 50,285 votes to win a Senate spot in Tasmania but 670,761 votes in New South Wales.Hmm
They are unrepresentatives, Will.
Unrepresentative swill?
Ian said:
In 2019, it took 50,285 votes to win a Senate spot in Tasmania but 670,761 votes in New South Wales.Hmm
It is not supposed to fair.
The Senate exists to protect the interests of the smaller states from the tyranny of the larger states.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
In 2019, it took 50,285 votes to win a Senate spot in Tasmania but 670,761 votes in New South Wales.Hmm
They are unrepresentatives, Will.
Unrepresentative swill?
Quite so.
Dunstan state by-election – vote cast
diddly-squat said:
Dunstan state by-election – vote cast
… any updates the sausage situation?
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:Dunstan state by-election – vote cast
… any updates the sausage situation?
can confirm no sausages were situated
The malapportionment in the Senate isn’t as big a deal in Australia as it is in the US because political tendency I not well correlated with state size, so the Senate ends up … kind of being a reasonable reflection of national mood.
In the US, the smaller states tend to be conservative, which leads to a situation where (with the filibuster) representatives of states with 17% of the population could block legislation supported by states with 83% of the population.
Still, y’all know I support abolishing the Australian states.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:Dunstan state by-election – vote cast
… any updates the sausage situation?
can confirm no sausages were situated
Disappointing, but I guess you don’t expect the full service for a by-election.
diddly-squat said:
Dunstan state by-election – vote cast
You’ve moved?
Peak Warming Man said:
diddly-squat said:Dunstan state by-election – vote cast
You’ve moved?
lol.. we’ve been here for two and half years now
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
diddly-squat said:Dunstan state by-election – vote cast
You’ve moved?
lol.. we’ve been here for two and half years now
I must have been away that day.
Heh, Liberal Party function room has blocked access to the media for this election, so when ABC goes to their man on the spot he’s just standing around outside.
Heh, now they’re at Greens HQ and my nephew can be seen smiling behind the ABC presenter. He’s the young man with glasses.
Bejaysus it’s close!!!
There’s 35 seats in doubt, hey what but.
ERMAGARD!!!!!!
Check out them eyebrows!!!
POLL:
Do Tasmanians want a growing population?
Woodie said:
ERMAGARD!!!!!!Check out them eyebrows!!!
They are a bit alarming.
Woodie said:
POLL:Do Tasmanians want a growing population?
Need to build a lot more houses first.
And get a lot more medical staff etc.
I don’t want to hear from Erica, I want to hear from Antony
dv said:
I don’t want to hear from Erica, I want to hear from Antony
+1
dv said:
I don’t want to hear from Erica, I want to hear from Antony
Erica!!! Say sumtin’ about them eyebrows. Ask her about them eyebrows.
It is likely we may not even know the result for two weeks
Heh, Erica doesn’t want to hear the truth.
Spice it up across the strait¡
Now: Police have deployed capsicum spray and pinned trans rights activists at a protest outside parliament.
In the process, a news photographer has been pushed to the ground and been capsicum sprayed.
Bubblecar said:
Heh, Erica doesn’t want to hear the truth.
Well, he’s of the right party for avoiding contact with it.
Abetz is making me averse to watching
Woodie said:
dv said:
I don’t want to hear from Erica, I want to hear from Antony
Erica!!! Say sumtin’ about them eyebrows. Ask her about them eyebrows.
If we get tired of that there’s always Aiden
SCIENCE said:
Spice it up across the strait¡
Now: Police have deployed capsicum spray and pinned trans rights activists at a protest outside parliament.
In the process, a news photographer has been pushed to the ground and been capsicum sprayed.
When i read such stories, i’m tempted to make my own capsicum spray.
It’s not difficult, and it can be packaged into aerosol cans with the aid of a simple tyre valve.
Police ought to be more cautious in their use of capsicum spray, because if protestors start making their own, in retaliation, they will not be subject to any restrictions on how strong they make it.
dv said:
Abetz is making me averse to watching
I’m only peeping at it now and then while making dinner.
But I think after dinner I’ll just turn the coverage on now and then.
Hopefully when they get more results there’ll be less interviewing of Nazis etc.
Actually I’ve turned it off now, it’s just full-on politics.
I’ll have a peep later when there’s more discussion of results.
Whose eye-brows are under discussion?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Whose eye-brows are under discussion?
The host with the glasses and pink jacket?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Whose eye-brows are under discussion?
Dunno. I’m guessing it’s some young female interviewer, who’s indulging in the practice, fashionable with some, of having drawn-on eyebrows which rival anything that Groucho Marx ever sported.
dv said:
I don’t want to hear from Erica, I want to hear from Antony
Eric does sound like he is running the show.
Bubblecar said:
Actually I’ve turned it off now, it’s just full-on politics.I’ll have a peep later when there’s more discussion of results.
Do what I’ve done, Parpyone, and turn it over to the footy.
JL strongly indicating that it would be hard for her to support a Lib govt
Woodie said:
Bubblecar said:
Actually I’ve turned it off now, it’s just full-on politics.I’ll have a peep later when there’s more discussion of results.
Do what I’ve done, Parpyone, and turn it over to the footy.
Maybe later. Dinner to scoff right now :)
Witty Rejoinder said:
Whose eye-brows are under discussion?
Dunno. But the NSW treasurer, JAWS, worries me..
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Whose eye-brows are under discussion?
Dunno. But the NSW treasurer, JAWS, worries me..
dv said:
JL strongly indicating that it would be hard for her to support a Lib govt
good.
Eric Abetz has been elected
dv said:
Eric Abetz has been elected
See, this is what happens when you let Tasmanians try to do grown-up things.
dv said:
Eric Abetz has been elected
It was on. always. But i don’t like it one bit.
his pamphletting was all I am a royalist/anti independence. I lobbied for no on the voice. I’m a good bloke.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Eric Abetz has been elected
See, this is what happens when you let Tasmanians try to do grown-up things.
I do believe he was behind the rolling of Gutwein. he will stick Rockcliffe sooner or later.
And Gutwein would have taken another election for the liberals imo. he was a moderate lib as far as things go.
Greens have a small favourable swing and may pick up more seats. Swing against ALP but a considerably bigger swing against the Libs.
Looks like ALP have gained Dunstan with around 5% swing
Greens vote in Clark is higher than Lab or Lib.
The panel including Antony seem to be completely writing off the possibility of a Labor-led minority government.
Bubblecar said:
Greens vote in Clark is higher than Lab or Lib.
opposing stadium at mac point too. interesting.
Well, Libs have the most seats but not enough for a majority, but there are still question marks over who’ll grab the last few.
Interesting outcome by Oz standards but what it means in terms of government may take some time to determine.
I would have thought Clare glade wright would have pulled more votes. Pretty sure her votes will spill toward the greens.
Bubblecar said:
Well, Libs have the most seats but not enough for a majority, but there are still question marks over who’ll grab the last few.Interesting outcome by Oz standards but what it means in terms of government may take some time to determine.
So it’s a Pung Harliament then?
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Well, Libs have the most seats but not enough for a majority, but there are still question marks over who’ll grab the last few.Interesting outcome by Oz standards but what it means in terms of government may take some time to determine.
So it’s a Pung Harliament then?
Yes, but this was predicted.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Well, Libs have the most seats but not enough for a majority, but there are still question marks over who’ll grab the last few.Interesting outcome by Oz standards but what it means in terms of government may take some time to determine.
So it’s a Pung Harliament then?
Yes, but this was predicted.
no one has yet slammed the liberals for going early. spending money and not making change.
So I think it might be
Bass
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1
Brandon
Lib 4 ALP 2 JLN 1
Clark
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (Kristie Johnson)
Franklin
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (David O’Byrne)
Lyons
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1
Which would be
Lib 14 ALP 10 Green 6 JLN 3 IND 2
Fk i hate eric.
dv said:
So I think it might beBass
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1Brandon
Lib 4 ALP 2 JLN 1Clark
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (Kristie Johnson)Franklin
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (David O’Byrne)Lyons
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1Which would be
Lib 14 ALP 10 Green 6 JLN 3 IND 2
Labor won’t work with the Greens, so it’ll be whatever kind of minority government the Libs can cobble together.
dv said:
So I think it might beBass
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1Brandon
Lib 4 ALP 2 JLN 1Clark
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (Kristie Johnson)Franklin
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (David O’Byrne)Lyons
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1Which would be
Lib 14 ALP 10 Green 6 JLN 3 IND 2
braddon.
sarahs mum said:
Fk i hate eric.
Have to wonder at the mindset that says, “I’m voting for Eric Abetz, he’s an admirable fellow.”
Labor won’t work with the Greens, so it’ll be whatever kind of minority government the Libs can cobble together.
I think that would be basically the same as saying they don’t want to govern. They are never going to get a majority of seats again.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
So I think it might beBass
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1Brandon
Lib 4 ALP 2 JLN 1Clark
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (Kristie Johnson)Franklin
Lib 2 ALP 2 Green 2 IND 1 (David O’Byrne)Lyons
Lib 3 ALP 2 Green 1 JLN 1Which would be
Lib 14 ALP 10 Green 6 JLN 3 IND 2braddon.
Heh, I didn’t even notice :)
dv said:
Labor won’t work with the Greens, so it’ll be whatever kind of minority government the Libs can cobble together.I think that would be basically the same as saying they don’t want to govern. They are never going to get a majority of seats again.
There’s still the idea that saying you won’t work with the Greens somehow means you have “more integrity” than the parties that will.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
Fk i hate eric.
Have to wonder at the mindset that says, “I’m voting for Eric Abetz, he’s an admirable fellow.”
Asked how he felt about gay conversion therapy he said he thought it was a conscious vote and he himself thought that prayer vigils were okay but electrotherapy wasn’t.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Well, Libs have the most seats but not enough for a majority, but there are still question marks over who’ll grab the last few.Interesting outcome by Oz standards but what it means in terms of government may take some time to determine.
So it’s a Pung Harliament then?
Yes, but this was predicted.
Bloody experts! They were right again…
Nephew James (number 7 Greens candidate for Clark) and his Mum (my ex-Ross sister) and her partner Pete have appeared several times in the background of the ABC coverage :)
Here they are at Greens HQ.
Looks like there has been about a 0.7% primary vote swing to the ALP so I’m not sure how Rockliff can say its their lowest primary vote ever.
Bubblecar said:
Here they are at Greens HQ.
Good day for the Greens but I think James may miss out
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Here they are at Greens HQ.
Good day for the Greens but I think James may miss out
Good that car’s sister was up and around for it.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Here they are at Greens HQ.
Good day for the Greens but I think James may miss out
I’ve sent him congrats for narrowly missing election :)
the greens declare they are fans of a footy team. rosalie has signed up herself. but they want york park in lonnie to be the home turf and to spend the money on more pressing stuff. and i’m good with that.
Well… no vote counting tomorrow in Tasmania because it’s the Sabbath and it is probably going to be 10 days before all the postal and absentee ballots roll in and even then they have to calculate all the preference distributions and THEN the negotiations can begin about how to form government so don’t wait up.
dv said:
Well… no vote counting tomorrow in Tasmania because it’s the Sabbath and it is probably going to be 10 days before all the postal and absentee ballots roll in and even then they have to calculate all the preference distributions and THEN the negotiations can begin about how to form government so don’t wait up.
as expected.
“Well… no vote counting tomorrow in Tasmania because it’s the Sabbath”
And rightly so……unless your ox is trapped in a ditch of course.
Transgender Liberal is a contender for preselection in Kooyong:
…
Liberal royalty to take on Monique Ryan in Frydenberg’s former seat of Kooyong
By Annika Smethurst and Paul Sakkal
March 23, 2024 — 5.09pm
Amelia Hamer, the 31-year-old Oxford-educated grand-niece of former Victorian premier Sir Rupert “Dick” Hamer, has won preselection to become the Liberal Party’s candidate for Josh Frydenberg’s former seat of Kooyong.
Coalition leader Peter Dutton and Frydenberg congratulated the former staffer and financial technology worker, who trounced her nearest rival, Transgender Victoria chair Rochelle Pattison, by 233 votes to 59.
More than 300 Liberal Party members, including former Victorian Liberal premier Ted Baillieu and Shadow Minister for Home Affairs James Paterson, gathered at the Hawthorn Arts Centre on Saturday to choose a replacement for Frydenberg, who lost the seat to independent Monique Ryan in 2022.
Hamer was considered a frontrunner for the seat despite suggestions of a late surge in support for Pattison, who was seeking to become the Liberal Party’s first transgender MP.
Local surgeon Susan Morris, who had the backing of former prime minister Tony Abbott, and barrister Michael Flynn KC, was also in the race.
Hamer said cost-of-living issues and housing would be key to her campaign for the seat: “I will fight to put home ownership back on the agenda for young Australians by tackling housing affordability and cost of living pressures.”
Dutton, who has faced questions about whether he intends to invest political capital to win back inner-urban seats like Kooyong, said Hamer was an outstanding pick. “Amelia Hamer has a breadth of experience and will be a champion for the people of Kooyong,” he posted on X, formerly Twitter.
The Liberal Party regards the once-safe seat of Kooyong – centred on the Melbourne suburbs of Hawthorn and Kew – as a target seat at the next election after Frydenberg suffered a 6.5 per cent fall in his primary vote.
Arriving at the preselection, Paterson said the party did not underestimate the challenge of winning back the seat, which Ryan holds by a margin of 3 per cent.
“We don’t underestimate the task. Once independents are in seats they are hard to dislodge,” Paterson said. “We think we can win it back in one term but we are going to have to throw a lot at it.”
Ahead of the ballot, several federal Liberal Party MPs were also hopeful a female candidate would be selected, with fears the federal party’s current record-low level of women MPs would not improve after the next election. In a letter of support for Morris, Tony Abbott said the party needs “more capable candidates who happen to be women”, given the need to be “broadly representative of the wider community”.
Hamer, 30, was a director of strategy at financial technology company Airwallex and is a former adviser to former financial services minister Jane Hume. She has been endorsed by former Victorian premier Jeff Kennett.
Her great-uncle served as Victorian premier from 1972 to 1981. Her grandfather, David Hamer, was a senator for Victoria and her great-grandfather, Sir William McPherson, also served as Victorian premier in the late 1920s.
Pesutto says he won’t be ‘sued out of a job’ as he braces for two more defamation claims
Pattison, 56, who is director of an asset management and corporate finance firm, had strong support from senior Liberal Party figures, including senior fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs John Roskam, former Victorian opposition leader Michael O’Brien as well as Marg Hawker, the chair of the Liberal Women’s Council.
Ryan, the sitting teal MP for Kooyong, was asked on Friday about the upcoming Liberal preselection. She said while Pattison was the standout candidate because of her experience, she was unlikely to be selected.
“It would make sense for them to go for someone who’s got experience and knowledge and demonstrable dedication to the Liberal cause. And there is a candidate who’s a senior Liberal who’s worked in the party for a long time: Rochelle Pattison. They’re not going to pick her,” Ryan said.
Pattison’s nomination comes as the broader Liberal Party remains locked in a divisive dispute about trans rights issues after dumped Liberal MP Moira Deeming launched a defamation case against Opposition Leader John Pesutto alleging he compared her to a Nazi sympathiser, a claim he has rejected.
Michel Flynn – the only male candidate – was being backed by former president of the Legislative Council Bruce Atkinson and former Supreme Court and Federal Court judge Tony Pagone.
Frydenberg now chairs investment bank Goldman Sachs’ Australian and New Zealand operation. The former federal treasurer, who was at Saturday’s vote, ruled out a political comeback in Kooyong late last year.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/liberal-royalty-picked-to-replace-frydenberg-as-liberal-candidate-in-kooyong-20240322-p5fekm.html
Hmmmm… That article is updated. Hamer not Pattison won.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Hmmmm… That article is updated. Hamer not Pattison won.
Liberal Party is probably not ready for Pattison. She’s a very late transitioner. According to what I found online, she transitioned in 2017, so she much have been in her forties at the time.
I’m not sure power sharing per se is on the cards.
But I am somewhat more bullish about an ALP led government than the ABC panel was last night. It is certainly possible we end with 10 ALP 6 Green 14 Lib 3 JLN and 2 IND. That seems perhaps the most likely scenario at this point but we are a long way from finality.
17 seats then would be with the left wing. (IND David O’Byrne is a former leader of the Labor party.)
The Libs would need Kristie Johnston and JLN to get to 18. Kristie Johnston has been highly critical of Rockliff and the Libs rather poisoned the well with the Lambos but it is possible they could negotiate confidence and supply. But if they can’t then an ALP led govt is the only other possibility and if that doesn’t stick then we’re back to the races.
If I were and ALP or Greens voter and there were another Rockliff govt because the two major progressive parties couldn’t come to some arrangement, I’d be shooting bile from every orifice.
It is hard to see one of those independents (
ABC
Tasmanian Labor has declared it has lost the state election and will not attempt to form a minority government.
Party sources have told the ABC that the decision was made at a state administrative committee meeting today.
The decision also makes the party leader position, which has been held by Rebecca White, vacant.
OCDC said:
ABCTasmanian Labor has declared it has lost the state election and will not attempt to form a minority government.
Party sources have told the ABC that the decision was made at a state administrative committee meeting today.
The decision also makes the party leader position, which has been held by Rebecca White, vacant.
They must have seen that Jacqui Lambie ad and decided that no-deal was the only way to go.
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:
ABCTasmanian Labor has declared it has lost the state election and will not attempt to form a minority government.
Party sources have told the ABC that the decision was made at a state administrative committee meeting today.
The decision also makes the party leader position, which has been held by Rebecca White, vacant.
They must have seen that Jacqui Lambie ad and decided that no-deal was the only way to go.
Antony Green said last night that parties who rule in a minority government seldomly go on to increase their numbers at the subsequent election which may be a factor in Labor’s calculus.
Shutdown of 3G networks a ‘health and safety issue’ for some regional Australians
Telcos promised no loss of coverage but farmers outside official coverage areas fear their lifeline will turn off
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/24/shutdown-of-3g-networks-a-health-and-safety-issue-for-some-regional-australians
OCDC said:
ABCTasmanian Labor has declared it has lost the state election and will not attempt to form a minority government.
Party sources have told the ABC that the decision was made at a state administrative committee meeting today.
The decision also makes the party leader position, which has been held by Rebecca White, vacant.
(Shrugs) I can only say that this seems very premature.
dv said:
OCDC said:
ABCTasmanian Labor has declared it has lost the state election and will not attempt to form a minority government.
Party sources have told the ABC that the decision was made at a state administrative committee meeting today.
The decision also makes the party leader position, which has been held by Rebecca White, vacant.
(Shrugs) I can only say that this seems very premature.
They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:
ABCTasmanian Labor has declared it has lost the state election and will not attempt to form a minority government.
Party sources have told the ABC that the decision was made at a state administrative committee meeting today.
The decision also makes the party leader position, which has been held by Rebecca White, vacant.
They must have seen that Jacqui Lambie ad and decided that no-deal was the only way to go.
Antony Green said last night that parties who rule in a minority government seldomly go on to increase their numbers at the subsequent election which may be a factor in Labor’s calculus.
Yes, Labor will be hoping to come out of this as the “pure party”.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:They must have seen that Jacqui Lambie ad and decided that no-deal was the only way to go.
Antony Green said last night that parties who rule in a minority government seldomly go on to increase their numbers at the subsequent election which may be a factor in Labor’s calculus.
Yes, Labor will be hoping to come out of this as the “pure party”.
It would be great if they’d treat this as something more than a game. Four more years of running down the hospitals … there are lives on the line.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Antony Green said last night that parties who rule in a minority government seldomly go on to increase their numbers at the subsequent election which may be a factor in Labor’s calculus.
Yes, Labor will be hoping to come out of this as the “pure party”.
It would be great if they’d treat this as something more than a game. Four more years of running down the hospitals … there are lives on the line.
I agree.
dv said:
Shutdown of 3G networks a ‘health and safety issue’ for some regional Australians
Telcos promised no loss of coverage but farmers outside official coverage areas fear their lifeline will turn offhttps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/24/shutdown-of-3g-networks-a-health-and-safety-issue-for-some-regional-australians
The 3g people will just die out once their precious 3g is turned off and then the 4g and 5g people will rule, ok.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
OCDC said:
ABCTasmanian Labor has declared it has lost the state election and will not attempt to form a minority government.
Party sources have told the ABC that the decision was made at a state administrative committee meeting today.
The decision also makes the party leader position, which has been held by Rebecca White, vacant.
(Shrugs) I can only say that this seems very premature.
They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:(Shrugs) I can only say that this seems very premature.
They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
In Tasmania is there much difference between the Labor and the Libs as I haven’t noticed much over the years.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:(Shrugs) I can only say that this seems very premature.
They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
As dv suggests though, standing back to chuckle at a Lib minority government shitshow is not really a responsible attitude.
Especially if the goal is some sort of moral high ground.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
As dv suggests though, standing back to chuckle at a Lib minority government shitshow is not really a responsible attitude.
Especially if the goal is some sort of moral high ground.
I don’t think it’s the latter but political expediency is not much better I’d grant you that. It would be nice if were the Liberals to propose worthwhile policies Labor would support them.
In the end though the Tasmanian people got what they wanted. It can’t be argued they weren’t given a fair choice.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Antony Green said last night that parties who rule in a minority government seldomly go on to increase their numbers at the subsequent election which may be a factor in Labor’s calculus.
Yes, Labor will be hoping to come out of this as the “pure party”.
It would be great if they’d treat this as something more than a game. Four more years of running down the hospitals … there are lives on the line.
Democracy Good
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:(Shrugs) I can only say that this seems very premature.
They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
It might be that Kristie Johnson might be an easier get. They don’t need to agree on everything.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
Yes. Have you seen the JLN policies? Sounds like an Australian Trump.
“Make Australia Great Again”
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
In Tasmania is there much difference between the Labor and the Libs as I haven’t noticed much over the years.
no. not much.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:(Shrugs) I can only say that this seems very premature.
They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
Tassie greens have always said that they will not block supply. I think the opinion is that screwing Tasmania to stuff up the other party is not a great thing.
sarahs mum said:
PermeateFree said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
In Tasmania is there much difference between the Labor and the Libs as I haven’t noticed much over the years.
no. not much.
Well that’s your first problem.
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:They’re bound by the “don’t work with Greens” dogma.
Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
Yes. Have you seen the JLN policies? Sounds like an Australian Trump.
“Make Australia Great Again”
‘Again’?
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
Yes. Have you seen the JLN policies? Sounds like an Australian Trump.
“Make Australia Great Again”
‘Again’?
LOL
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Relying on the Greens and the JLN and independents might be a bridge too far. If they could make do with just the Greens to secure supply Labor might be more willing to negotiate.
Yes. Have you seen the JLN policies? Sounds like an Australian Trump.
“Make Australia Great Again”
‘Again’?
Fair.
I award you some points for that.
Yeah that’s how it read to us but hey irony eh bro¿
McBride handed over his original complaint about the “over-zealous” investigations of special forces soldiers along with thousands of pages of supporting documents.
Oakes says McBride was very clear about the story he wanted told.
“He really simply wanted to say that the special forces in Afghanistan were being unfairly targeted and unfairly scrutinised.
“There was no mention of potential war crimes.”
Oakes came to an entirely different conclusion.
“The more I looked into it, I couldn’t conceive how anyone would think these guys were being too tightly monitored. It was precisely the opposite.
“What happened out in the field stayed in the field.”
Can report that my nephew James has received 399 primary votes so far. Will he reach 400? Counting apparently continues…
Not entirely clear whether Julie Sladden will be elected. Seems the Libs will get 3 Bass seats and she is currently in 4th, but it is entirely possible that she will attract enough prefs from various spaces to get over.
Kev Bonham’s wrap-up (more at link)
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/03/tasmania-embraces-chaos-2024-election.html?m=1
As the cries of “Four more years!” rang out on the tallyroom floor from the, for the moment, Liberal faithful, I only just resisted the urge to yell back “Don’t you mean three?” The Liberal Party was given a majority in 2018 and lost it and went to an early election after it could not manage one of its own people. It won another one in 2021 and exactly the same thing happened but this time there were two of them! It asked again in 2024 and the voters would not be fooled the third time. It was right to ask because the Parliament had become illegitimate because of the Liberals’ candidate selection and personnel management failures. But now a minority government of some kind is the very clear will of the voters and the idea that we should have voted otherwise, the idea that we could have voted otherwise, is laughable.
Hare-Clark doesn’t have two-party preferred as such, but rough estimates can be derived. I may refine this later but this election between the major parties has been a draw, or nearly so. The 2PP equivalent will be somewhere near 50-50 (which would be an 8% swing), perhaps with Labor just slightly in front, but under compulsory preferences it would have been about 53.5-46.5 to Labor. I think a slight majority of voters wanted the Government gone, but enough of those of that view would have voted 1-7 and stopped that their ballot papers won’t fully reflect that. If either major party can form government without betraying what it said on the campaign trail about how it would do so (and without any defections, that’s looking at you there Lambie Network), then that will be a fair result.
The major parties tried at this election to scare voters away from chaos, but both were themselves chaos that faked that its name was stability. The Liberals offered a campaign as disordered as a candidate lineup that ranged from MPs to the left of Malcolm Turnbull to people who belong in One Nation or Australian Christians and should never have been endorsed by a major party. The Liberal campaign was a hyperactive animal that thought that it would die if it did not throw three dead cats a week. But after leaving nothing on the table as it tried to prevent voters electing a hung parliament, it has come back with … nothing. It started the election polling in the mid to high 30s and it finished there. At least there was some humour there but what on earth was that?
In Labor’s case there will be some relief. Facing disaster in the late uComms and Freshwater polls they have instead pulled up round the high end of the polling range (29% in Redbridge was their best poll of the year). But still with a double-digit swing against a ten year old government coming off a COVID-boosted 2021 result, they have gained almost nothing on their disaster-strewn 2021 campaign. Federal drag effects aside – a far too rarely mentioned elephant in the room – that isn’t good.
Moreover, to the extent it is “not bad”, the result is stained by Labor’s signage tactics at polling booths. The signs trying to scare voters off voting for other parties were at best feeble-minded, dishonest and immature, and their placement either was illegal in multiple ways or should be made so for the future in the first 100 days of parliament. What I saw last night of postal and prepoll impacts on the vote tallies (ie not much) casts doubt however on whether many voters were fooled. I may revise this later but my initial view on the most likely explanation for Labor outdoing most of its polling is either some degree of polling error or soft Labor voters taking the “independent” option in polls then voting Labor anyway.
looking like the Labs will secure Dunstan.. the 2PP vote is currently sitting at 54/46 to team red… that said, about 25% of all votes were pre-poll and they can’t be counted until today, so we may see a change in the trends come CoB.
Seems like a dream now,
It was so long ago
Room burned so bright and
The town went so slow…
Eagles, ‘Whatever happened to Saturday night?’
Look, let’s start with the wilfully naive take. Tasmanian Labor’s announcement on Sunday that Labor would not seek to form a minority government is a betrayal of historical possibility and audacity that could yield real lasting change and make this a historic moment not only in the state but in the Westminster system.
That has been greeted with dismay. Two thirds of Tasmanians voted against the Liberal party, and it’s optional preferential, so there’s no absolute two-party-preferred result to come in. Labor got 10 seats and may go up to 11. The Greens have got four, and may go up to six. The two independents likely to get elected — Kristie Johnston and David O’Byrne — are progressives, and the third possibility, Craig Garland, campaigns against all the Libs have been doing in fishing, forestry and elsewhere.
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockliff (Image: AAP/Ethan James)
Rockliff throws out one last desperate promise in last week of Tasmanian campaign
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So a de facto progressive majority is possible (though don’t overcount the above, all are competing against all). And on the general principle of politics — seize power seize power seize power — it would have seemed possible to leave it open. The failure to do so has dismayed people across Tasmanian Labor and the left.
True, Labor leader Rebecca White kept the gate open with her zen victory-concession speech in the beloved tally room on Saturday night (saved, in years past, by various pleas). But that was only so Tasmanian Labor could talk to the ALP administrative committee on Sunday morning, who would have reiterated what was put in place after the Labor-Greens coalition of the 2010s: no ministries given to non-Labor members.
Yes, okay, Tasmanian Labor is in an impossible position. Greens, independents etc are happy as muck with a complex result, obviously. Liberal voters got their plurality. Labor voters yearn for the time when such plurality of majority might have been theirs. Some of them are supporters of major party government more than they are of Labor. Some would walk across the aisle if Labor went into any immediate arrangement with the Greens.
Then there’s the internal divisions. Tasmanian Labor is dominated by the right now, and the right is the SDA right. Key members would much rather see the Liberals hold on for another term than let the Greens get anywhere near governing. They would also be reliant on the vote of David O’Byrne, ejected from the party while leader as part of a bitter struggle and thus a very loose unit, coalition-wise.
There’s two possible plays from there. One is to let the Liberals grind on and on. Their only hope in getting things through that are opposed by the progressive bloc lies with the Jacqui Lambie Experience, and there is absolutely zero knowledge about how that lot will work. There’s no clue which of the 12 of them — three candidates in each seat except Clark — will get up, since the Robson rotation has given each ticket member a third of the vote. The party has no policies, no stated preferences, its “members” are not bound, and Lambie, obviously, is not in the Assembly.
Chaos, ostensibly, which is why Jeremy Rockliff sounded, in his speech on Saturday night, like the English Patient asking for a lethal dose of morphine. That said, Lambie’s federal Senate runs rely on Liberal preferences to get up, so she may well trade support for the Liberals in the Tassie Assembly — under the guise of “common sense” — for preferences in 2025.
Realistically, I can’t see the Lambie team being stable in that way, unless Jacqui has fed them the zombie cucumber. The more likely result is that the Rockliff government will have to fight it vote by vote, and that Labor will have to decide whether to prop it up, let it fall, try and form government from existing members — without taking non-Labor members as ministers — or ask for another election.
The alternative would be for Labor to allow this to go on not so long, and at some point have the leader announce that due to the chaos created by the Rockliff or whomever government, things have changed and stability demands a coalition government of Labor, Green and independents. This is quickly and efficiently done, the Libs slink into opposition, and the coalition parties try to make it work, knowing they have been given a degree of legitimacy by Liberal failure.
Eric Abetz at the Tasmanian Liberal Party’s election campaign launch (Image: AAP/Ethan James)
In darkest Abetzia, the good word on the Tasmanian elections
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The third road, the one not taken? That Rebecca White had gazumped her own party on Saturday night and said we won’t know the full result for weeks, but there will clearly be a larger number of clear progressives than Liberals, and we will try to form a Labor-Green-independent coalition at that time, with all groups taking ministries.
God, imagine the sudden release of energy and possibility from that! Imagine the sense of determination had White been seized with that audacity, and stared down her colleagues and her federal overlords. Imagine the sense of sudden clear purpose, the drafting of an initial minimum program, with a further process of collective policy development to come.
Suddenly Tasmania would be the place it sometimes is, that of possibility and fresh thinking. The progressive coalition would create something of a norm of cooperation and dialogue, and start to push against the other side of Tasmania, the slightly shonky Company aspect. White would be hailed as an audacious hero. Should the numbers not have got there in the final count, she could yield gracefully to the Libs. But had they hit 18, or even 17, she could have gone to the governor with a stable alternative.
Instead, the gray clouds of torpor roll back over. Jeremy Rockcliff doesn’t sound excited or at the beginning of anything, and why should he? Things are much worse in the Assembly, and dire in the partyroom, where the Christian right are stalking him, ready for the entrance of Premier Abetz — a coup which would itself prompt possible resignations of the whip. Politically, it will all be ceaselessly enervating, without providing any real sense of possibility.
One had hoped the first outing of the re-enlarged Hare-Clark might provide for some audacious announcements in the tally room. Instead it will emphasise to many the separation of political and social life. A well-earned boost for the Greens, who are nevertheless a professional outfit. But no new independents, and in the swing seats, the Jacqui Lambie Experience, four lists of ticket-fillers for a party with no policies, and whatever happened to Saturday night?
https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/03/25/tasmanian-election-results-liberals-win-labor-no-coalition/
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
sarahs mum said:
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
So you wanted Labor to win but you weren’t prepared to vote for them?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
So you wanted Labor to win but you weren’t prepared to vote for them?
My ballot had greens, some independents, then labor and the libs and eric abetz last. so i would have preferred a labor coalition to a liberal govt. I numbered to the bottom of the ballot in case they did need to play with it all week.
When there was a liberal green coalition the liberals did hand out some minor portfolios to the greens. i can remember nick mckim had corrections and something. From a greens point of view there is not much that can be had from a labor govt coalition.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
So you wanted Labor to win but you weren’t prepared to vote for them?
My ballot had greens, some independents, then labor and the libs and eric abetz last. so i would have preferred a labor coalition to a liberal govt. I numbered to the bottom of the ballot in case they did need to play with it all week.
When there was a liberal green coalition the liberals did hand out some minor portfolios to the greens. i can remember nick mckim had corrections and something. From a greens point of view there is not much that can be had from a labor govt coalition.
All the polling predicted this outcome of a major showing of minor parties and independents so you were forewarned about the chaos that would ensue. Moreover Labor said they wouldn’t form a minority government with the Greens so they are doing exactly what they promised to do. If people are not prepared to hold their nose and vote strategically they really have no one to blame but themselves. You besmirch Labor for being happy to stay in opposition when that is exactly what the Greens always do as they heckle the major parties from the far left while making very little contribution to the legislative process.
the thing is that I have 7 representatives. If I have a problem I can lobby one or all. depending on what my angst is I might get different responses. so labor and liberal are also supposed to be representing me.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:So you wanted Labor to win but you weren’t prepared to vote for them?
My ballot had greens, some independents, then labor and the libs and eric abetz last. so i would have preferred a labor coalition to a liberal govt. I numbered to the bottom of the ballot in case they did need to play with it all week.
When there was a liberal green coalition the liberals did hand out some minor portfolios to the greens. i can remember nick mckim had corrections and something. From a greens point of view there is not much that can be had from a labor govt coalition.
All the polling predicted this outcome of a major showing of minor parties and independents so you were forewarned about the chaos that would ensue. Moreover Labor said they wouldn’t form a minority government with the Greens so they are doing exactly what they promised to do. If people are not prepared to hold their nose and vote strategically they really have no one to blame but themselves. You besmirch Labor for being happy to stay in opposition when that is exactly what the Greens always do as they heckle the major parties from the far left while making very little contribution to the legislative process.
there isn’t much of a far left in tasmania.
If the labor party remembered any leftness I might be in.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:My ballot had greens, some independents, then labor and the libs and eric abetz last. so i would have preferred a labor coalition to a liberal govt. I numbered to the bottom of the ballot in case they did need to play with it all week.
When there was a liberal green coalition the liberals did hand out some minor portfolios to the greens. i can remember nick mckim had corrections and something. From a greens point of view there is not much that can be had from a labor govt coalition.
All the polling predicted this outcome of a major showing of minor parties and independents so you were forewarned about the chaos that would ensue. Moreover Labor said they wouldn’t form a minority government with the Greens so they are doing exactly what they promised to do. If people are not prepared to hold their nose and vote strategically they really have no one to blame but themselves. You besmirch Labor for being happy to stay in opposition when that is exactly what the Greens always do as they heckle the major parties from the far left while making very little contribution to the legislative process.
there isn’t much of a far left in tasmania.
If the labor party remembered any leftness I might be in.
Good luck with your Liberal government then since your vote put them there.
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:All the polling predicted this outcome of a major showing of minor parties and independents so you were forewarned about the chaos that would ensue. Moreover Labor said they wouldn’t form a minority government with the Greens so they are doing exactly what they promised to do. If people are not prepared to hold their nose and vote strategically they really have no one to blame but themselves. You besmirch Labor for being happy to stay in opposition when that is exactly what the Greens always do as they heckle the major parties from the far left while making very little contribution to the legislative process.
there isn’t much of a far left in tasmania.
If the labor party remembered any leftness I might be in.
Good luck with your Liberal government then since your vote put them there.
no. my vote put Rosalie woodruffe there. And she is an excellent rep for me.
sarahs mum said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sarahs mum said:there isn’t much of a far left in tasmania.
If the labor party remembered any leftness I might be in.
Good luck with your Liberal government then since your vote put them there.
no. my vote put Rosalie woodruffe there. And she is an excellent rep for me.
If only all politics were local.
sarahs mum said:
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
I think they should have at least waited until the results are finalised.
Everyone was pretty upset when Zak conceded far too early back in the authoritarian police state lockdown freedom infringement days too, still brings tears to many eyes.
sarahs mum said:
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
There is absolutely no reason to want to be in minority govt except ego…
Politically it’s a no win situation where any compromise you make is thrown back at you as a broken promise.
I don’t think we can blame this all on sm.
There’s nothing “chaotic” about this result. The Tasmanian system is somewhat akin to proportional representation and, like Germany or NZ etc, it means that it will typically be the case that no party can govern without an alliance of some kind. It works okay in those countries and it can work okay in Tasmania as long as parties pull their heads out of their arses, suck up their pride and negotiate.
dv said:
I don’t think we can blame this all on sm.There’s nothing “chaotic” about this result. The Tasmanian system is somewhat akin to proportional representation and, like Germany or NZ etc, it means that it will typically be the case that no party can govern without an alliance of some kind. It works okay in those countries and it can work okay in Tasmania as long as parties pull their heads out of their arses, suck up their pride and negotiate.
so an alliance with the greens is out I guess?
dv said:
I don’t think we can blame this all on sm.There’s nothing “chaotic” about this result. The Tasmanian system is somewhat akin to proportional representation and, like Germany or NZ etc, it means that it will typically be the case that no party can govern without an alliance of some kind. It works okay in those countries and it can work okay in Tasmania as long as parties pull their heads out of their arses, suck up their pride and negotiate.
what we need are more states with no legislative council … that’s how you get shit done…
;)
dv said:
I don’t think we can blame this all on sm.There’s nothing “chaotic” about this result. The Tasmanian system is somewhat akin to proportional representation and, like Germany or NZ etc, it means that it will typically be the case that no party can govern without an alliance of some kind. It works okay in those countries and it can work okay in Tasmania as long as parties pull their heads out of their arses, suck up their pride and negotiate.
what we need are more states with no legislative council … that’s how you get shit done…
;)
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I don’t think we can blame this all on sm.There’s nothing “chaotic” about this result. The Tasmanian system is somewhat akin to proportional representation and, like Germany or NZ etc, it means that it will typically be the case that no party can govern without an alliance of some kind. It works okay in those countries and it can work okay in Tasmania as long as parties pull their heads out of their arses, suck up their pride and negotiate.
what we need are more states with no legislative council … that’s how you get shit done…
;)
The LC in Tasmania is mainly non-partisan and not very activist. Rather uniquely (in Australia) it is elected from single- member divisions.
This is a good summary:
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/24/liberal-minority-rule-lambie-alliance-or-labor-traffic-light-coalition-where-to-now-for-tasmanian-politics
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
I think they should have at least waited until the results are finalised.
I agree.
Michael V said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
must say i do not like that the labs won’t play. Totally unworthy that they would prefer to be in opposition. Don’t really know why they play at all.
I think they should have at least waited until the results are finalised.
I agree.
+1
dv said:
I don’t think we can blame this all on sm.
thank you valiant knight.
Witty Rejoinder said:
This is a good summary:https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/24/liberal-minority-rule-lambie-alliance-or-labor-traffic-light-coalition-where-to-now-for-tasmanian-politics
Gutwein was doing a good job. I remember commenting at one stage that he was being so representative that one might think he was trying to win the next election. The cable car was dead in the water he said. let’s get on.
And then he left ‘to ‘spend more time with the family.’ I reckon he was rolled. The cable car was back on and the football had mac point. it was then we had the two defectors that didn’t want to go along with the new regime making the new lib lineup shaky and leading to an early election. and now Eric Abetz is back in his new form.
In short: Labor frontbencher Dean Winter will seek to be the next leader of the Tasmanian Labor Party after the weekend’s election loss.
Leader Rebecca White conceded defeat on Sunday, after earlier leaving the door open for Labor to form a minority government. It is her third loss as party leader in a row, with Labor losing under Lara Giddings in 2014.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-25/move-on-to-oust-rebecca-white-as-tasmanian-labor-leader/103630262
“New Vehicle Efficiency Standard weakened, with rules softened for utes and vans”:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-26/vehicle-efficiency-standard-climate-laws-watered-down/103634042
Gubmint collapsing under the weight of Dutton and his friends…
But Faking A Minor Party Website Is A Different Kind Of Completely Fine ¡
Counting continues in Dunstan with the pre-poll votes returning a significantly different result from polling day itself. An almost 10 point swing in the pre-polling ballots has (as of 3:30pm yesterday) the Labs ahead by about 350 votes on a 2PP basis.
26 March 2024
Ex-Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire to face criminal trial over conspiracy charge
Lauren Ferri and Clareese Packer
Gladys Berejiklian’s ex-boyfriend will face a criminal trial after being charged with running a cash-for-visas scheme while still a state politician.
A former NSW MP and secret lover of Gladys Berejiklian will go to trial to fight allegations he falsified documents while in office.
Daryl Maguire was charged in November 2022 with one count of conspiracy to commit an offence.
Mr Maguire is alleged to have falsified documents between January 2013 and August 2015 when he was a state MP for Wagga Wagga.
He appeared on Tuesday in Sydney’s Downing Centre Local Court via audiovisual link while his lawyer Jim Harrowell AM told the court he is being committed to stand trial in the District Court.
“Mr Maguire today I am committing you to stand trial in the District Court in Sydney, it’s on the single count of under the Criminal Code Act and Migration Act,” the magistrate confirmed.
Documents tendered to the court state Mr Maguire conspired with migration agent Maggie Logan to “cause to be furnished, for official purposes of the Commonwealth, documents in connection with applications for visas permitting non-citizens to remain in Australia”.
The documents allegedly contained information that was “false or misleading in materials particular”.
The Australian Border Force alleges the pair ran the racket between January 2013 and August 2015, although Ms Logan is charged with continuing the fraudulent activity until 2017.
Mr Maguire resigned from parliament on August 3, 2018.
Ms Logan has not entered a plea. The 54-year-old is facing 40 charges related to her alleged involvement in delivering official visa documents containing false statements over the four-year period.
Mr Maguire was the Wagga Wagga MP from 1999 to 2018 when he resigned after an Independent Commission Against Corruption investigation into his conduct while in office.
The ICAC inquiry heard allegations he and Ms Logan were involved in a cash-for-visas scheme involving payouts worth tens of thousands of dollars.
It was also revealed in the inquiry that Mr Maguire had been in a five-year romantic relationship with the then NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian.
Former NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian and Mr Maguire and were revealed to be in a relationship during the ICAC
She resigned from her position in September 2021 after the anti-corruption body announced it would investigate whether she breached the ministerial code of conduct.
Ms Berejikian has repeatedly denied engaging in any wrongdoing and has not been charged with any offences.
Mr Maguire was found by ICAC that he engaged in “serious corrupt conduct” in July 2023.
He issued a statement in the days following, saying he was “very proud of his many achievements serving the electorate of Wagga and NSW” and advocated for the “presumption of innocence”.
“Let it not be forgotten that during his time representing the people of Wagga and region he worked tirelessly for his constituents,” the two-page statement read.
“Indeed, he was described in evidence as a dog with a bone, a vociferous advocate for the electorate or a pain in the arse when it came to getting improvements for the Wagga electorate.”
Mr Maguire will face the District Court for the first time in April.
news.com
After 12 years in office, Labor’s Jenny Hill has conceded the Townsville Mayoral election to Independent Troy Thompson
Tasmanian Labor leader Rebecca White steps down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F96tILK28vA
The Senate has rejected the federal government’s bid to rush extraordinary immigration powers through parliament.
The government introduced the legislation to parliament to make it easier to deport non-citizens. It passed the House of Representatives with the support of the Coalition on Tuesday, but has now stalled in the Senate, where it will stay for the imminent future.
The Greens and the crossbench voted with the Coalition in the Senate to block the bill, referring it to a Senate legal committee, which will hand down a report by May 7.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-27/coalition-wont-support-immigration-legislation/103638462
Furtively I check the updated tallies but the overall picture changes not. Probably no point looking until they press the preference distribution button late next week. I am rather addicted to numbers though.
sarahs mum said:
The Senate has rejected the federal government’s bid to rush extraordinary immigration powers through parliament.The government introduced the legislation to parliament to make it easier to deport non-citizens. It passed the House of Representatives with the support of the Coalition on Tuesday, but has now stalled in the Senate, where it will stay for the imminent future.
The Greens and the crossbench voted with the Coalition in the Senate to block the bill, referring it to a Senate legal committee, which will hand down a report by May 7.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-27/coalition-wont-support-immigration-legislation/103638462
Miscommunication between Senate Libs and House Libs, or some kind of strategy?
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The Senate has rejected the federal government’s bid to rush extraordinary immigration powers through parliament.
The government introduced the legislation to parliament to make it easier to deport non-citizens. It passed the House of Representatives with the support of the Coalition on Tuesday, but has now stalled in the Senate, where it will stay for the imminent future.
The Greens and the crossbench voted with the Coalition in the Senate to block the bill, referring it to a Senate legal committee, which will hand down a report by May 7.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-27/coalition-wont-support-immigration-legislation/103638462
Miscommunication between Senate Libs and House Libs, or some kind of strategy?
What Happens When An Unstoppable Pincer Meets An Immovable Wedge ¿
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
The Senate has rejected the federal government’s bid to rush extraordinary immigration powers through parliament.
The government introduced the legislation to parliament to make it easier to deport non-citizens. It passed the House of Representatives with the support of the Coalition on Tuesday, but has now stalled in the Senate, where it will stay for the imminent future.
The Greens and the crossbench voted with the Coalition in the Senate to block the bill, referring it to a Senate legal committee, which will hand down a report by May 7.
more…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-27/coalition-wont-support-immigration-legislation/103638462
Miscommunication between Senate Libs and House Libs, or some kind of strategy?
What Happens When An Unstoppable Pincer Meets An Immovable Wedge ¿
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Humans intervene, just like they did in 1962
A former coal-fired power station will be turned into a solar manufacturing hub as part of a $1 billion federal program.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/27/energy-giant-wrongly-received-thousands-from-welfare-payments-of-former-customers-under-centrelink-scheme
Coalition developing ‘big stick’ law to rein in Coles and Woolworths
Peter Dutton’s opposition is working on a “big stick” law that would threaten supermarket giants Coles and Woolworths with break-up powers for anticompetitive behaviour as it seeks to put the cost of living front and centre heading into a federal election.
As Coalition backbenchers put pressure on their party leaders to take on big business, shadow treasurer Angus Taylor and Nationals leader David Littleproud are in advanced talks on new divestiture laws that aim to empower consumers against Australia’s supermarket behemoths.
The plans, confirmed by three senior Liberals who did not want to be named because precise details have not been agreed and are subject to change, are likely to include court-enforced divestiture of assets as a last resort to act as a strong incentive for supermarkets to act in consumers’ interest.
The laws would focus only on supermarkets rather than economy-wide powers, which the Coalition is worried would spook the private sector. They would be modelled on similar narrowly defined laws in the US and UK.
“We enforced the same rules in the energy market. The laws were never actually used, but the spectre of the ‘big stick’ kept prices lower, so there is a good case to be made for supermarkets,” one Coalition source said.
The looming policy announcement represents a win for the National Party, which has campaigned for the laws for years, and sharpens the political contest over living standards with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who has ordered a probe into supermarkets but has described break-up laws as belonging in the old Soviet Union.
In a sign of the antipathy towards corporate Australia within Coalition ranks, former minister Matt Canavan will cross the floor to vote for a Greens bill allowing the break-up of supermarkets, banks and other mega-firms.
Dutton told colleagues on Tuesday that the opposition should not be lending legitimacy to a Greens policy that he believes lacks guardrails. However, Canavan, a former minister turned prominent populist backbencher, said he did not care which party put up the proposal.
“I care about the small businesses and farmers that get screwed by unethical and unrestrained corporate conduct,” Canavan said.
Canavan’s rhetoric is representative of a growing cohort of influential Coalition backbenchers – including former minister Keith Pitt and economics committee deputy chair Garth Hamilton – putting pressure on Dutton to live up to his repeated claim that the Coalition is now the party of the working classes.
The main private sector lobby groups, whose positions often align with the Coalition’s, are vehemently opposed to divestiture laws.
Dutton signalled his willingness to brawl with corporates on issues of cultural concern when he backed a boycott of Woolworths after it stopped selling Australia Day merchandise, but the opposition is yet to release economic policies pitched at cash-strapped voters.
“We must continue to put the interests of the Australian people above those of the big banks and supermarkets, and our policies going into the next election should reflect that,” Hamilton said.
Supermarket inquiry
Greens’ supermarket-busting bill labelled ‘extreme’ by business, but has Liberal backer
There is growing momentum for new powers to counter the market dominance of supermarkets, which have been accused of price gouging during the inflation crisis. Executives have repeatedly denied the charge and claimed higher production costs were leading to higher store prices.
Australian Competition and Consumer Committee (ACCC) chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb indicated to a Senate estimates committee last May she was supportive of divestiture powers for the Federal Court.
The National Farmers Federation and the Business Council of Australia are opposed to forced break-up laws.
“Experts looked at this policy most recently in 2015 and found it would negatively impact consumers, so this Greens bill could cause prices to be more expensive,” Business Council of Australia chief executive Bran Black said last week.
ACCC break-up powers would be a ‘big stick’ to corporate Australia: Fels
Earlier this year, Labor asked the ACCC to examine the difference between the prices received by producers at the farm gate and those paid by consumers at the checkout.
“There would be quite a loss of economies of scale,” he said.
“However, the existence of the power is likely to have a big effect on business behaviour generally. It’s a huge stick, and a big stick is needed to make some parts of the Act work more effectively.”
“Business tends to not take too much notice of section 46 . But if there is a chance of divestiture it would make a huge difference,” he said.
Woolworths were contacted for comment. A Coles spokeswoman referred to the position of the Australian Retailers’ Association, whose chief executive Paul Zahra said last week: “Large supermarkets operate with high fixed costs and intricate supply chains. The most likely outcome of any forced divestment would be to disrupt the economies of scale retailers have painstakingly built.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-developing-big-stick-law-to-rein-in-coles-and-woolworths-20240327-p5fflq.html
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I reckon supermarkets who have contracts with farmers should be forced to sell the entire crop regardless of how unmarketable some produce might be. No food waste and customers are given a choice of buying inferior product for less if they so choose.
Am I missing any unintended consequences of such a legal requirement?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Coalition developing ‘big stick’ law to rein in Coles and WoolworthsPeter Dutton’s opposition is working on a “big stick” law that would threaten supermarket giants Coles and Woolworths with break-up powers for anticompetitive behaviour as it seeks to put the cost of living front and centre heading into a federal election.
As Coalition backbenchers put pressure on their party leaders to take on big business, shadow treasurer Angus Taylor and Nationals leader David Littleproud are in advanced talks on new divestiture laws that aim to empower consumers against Australia’s supermarket behemoths.
The plans, confirmed by three senior Liberals who did not want to be named because precise details have not been agreed and are subject to change, are likely to include court-enforced divestiture of assets as a last resort to act as a strong incentive for supermarkets to act in consumers’ interest.
The laws would focus only on supermarkets rather than economy-wide powers, which the Coalition is worried would spook the private sector. They would be modelled on similar narrowly defined laws in the US and UK.
“We enforced the same rules in the energy market. The laws were never actually used, but the spectre of the ‘big stick’ kept prices lower, so there is a good case to be made for supermarkets,” one Coalition source said.
The looming policy announcement represents a win for the National Party, which has campaigned for the laws for years, and sharpens the political contest over living standards with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who has ordered a probe into supermarkets but has described break-up laws as belonging in the old Soviet Union.
In a sign of the antipathy towards corporate Australia within Coalition ranks, former minister Matt Canavan will cross the floor to vote for a Greens bill allowing the break-up of supermarkets, banks and other mega-firms.
Dutton told colleagues on Tuesday that the opposition should not be lending legitimacy to a Greens policy that he believes lacks guardrails. However, Canavan, a former minister turned prominent populist backbencher, said he did not care which party put up the proposal.
“I care about the small businesses and farmers that get screwed by unethical and unrestrained corporate conduct,” Canavan said.
Canavan’s rhetoric is representative of a growing cohort of influential Coalition backbenchers – including former minister Keith Pitt and economics committee deputy chair Garth Hamilton – putting pressure on Dutton to live up to his repeated claim that the Coalition is now the party of the working classes.
The main private sector lobby groups, whose positions often align with the Coalition’s, are vehemently opposed to divestiture laws.
Dutton signalled his willingness to brawl with corporates on issues of cultural concern when he backed a boycott of Woolworths after it stopped selling Australia Day merchandise, but the opposition is yet to release economic policies pitched at cash-strapped voters.
“We must continue to put the interests of the Australian people above those of the big banks and supermarkets, and our policies going into the next election should reflect that,” Hamilton said.
Supermarket inquiry
Greens’ supermarket-busting bill labelled ‘extreme’ by business, but has Liberal backer
There is growing momentum for new powers to counter the market dominance of supermarkets, which have been accused of price gouging during the inflation crisis. Executives have repeatedly denied the charge and claimed higher production costs were leading to higher store prices.Australian Competition and Consumer Committee (ACCC) chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb indicated to a Senate estimates committee last May she was supportive of divestiture powers for the Federal Court.
The National Farmers Federation and the Business Council of Australia are opposed to forced break-up laws.
“Experts looked at this policy most recently in 2015 and found it would negatively impact consumers, so this Greens bill could cause prices to be more expensive,” Business Council of Australia chief executive Bran Black said last week.
ACCC break-up powers would be a ‘big stick’ to corporate Australia: Fels
Earlier this year, Labor asked the ACCC to examine the difference between the prices received by producers at the farm gate and those paid by consumers at the checkout.“There would be quite a loss of economies of scale,” he said.
“However, the existence of the power is likely to have a big effect on business behaviour generally. It’s a huge stick, and a big stick is needed to make some parts of the Act work more effectively.”
“Business tends to not take too much notice of section 46 . But if there is a chance of divestiture it would make a huge difference,” he said.
Woolworths were contacted for comment. A Coles spokeswoman referred to the position of the Australian Retailers’ Association, whose chief executive Paul Zahra said last week: “Large supermarkets operate with high fixed costs and intricate supply chains. The most likely outcome of any forced divestment would be to disrupt the economies of scale retailers have painstakingly built.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-developing-big-stick-law-to-rein-in-coles-and-woolworths-20240327-p5fflq.html
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I reckon supermarkets who have contracts with farmers should be forced to sell the entire crop regardless of how unmarketable some produce might be. No food waste and customers are given a choice of buying inferior product for less if they so choose.
Am I missing any unintended consequences of such a legal requirement?
It might be inflationary and further drive up the cost of living.
We always hear from farmers that they don’t get a fair deal for their produce. While that may be true, any rice increases will certainly get passed on to the customers. It’s not like the shareholders are going to go without their profits.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Coalition developing ‘big stick’ law to rein in Coles and WoolworthsPeter Dutton’s opposition is working on a “big stick” law that would threaten supermarket giants Coles and Woolworths with break-up powers for anticompetitive behaviour as it seeks to put the cost of living front and centre heading into a federal election.
As Coalition backbenchers put pressure on their party leaders to take on big business, shadow treasurer Angus Taylor and Nationals leader David Littleproud are in advanced talks on new divestiture laws that aim to empower consumers against Australia’s supermarket behemoths.
The plans, confirmed by three senior Liberals who did not want to be named because precise details have not been agreed and are subject to change, are likely to include court-enforced divestiture of assets as a last resort to act as a strong incentive for supermarkets to act in consumers’ interest.
The laws would focus only on supermarkets rather than economy-wide powers, which the Coalition is worried would spook the private sector. They would be modelled on similar narrowly defined laws in the US and UK.
“We enforced the same rules in the energy market. The laws were never actually used, but the spectre of the ‘big stick’ kept prices lower, so there is a good case to be made for supermarkets,” one Coalition source said.
The looming policy announcement represents a win for the National Party, which has campaigned for the laws for years, and sharpens the political contest over living standards with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who has ordered a probe into supermarkets but has described break-up laws as belonging in the old Soviet Union.
In a sign of the antipathy towards corporate Australia within Coalition ranks, former minister Matt Canavan will cross the floor to vote for a Greens bill allowing the break-up of supermarkets, banks and other mega-firms.
Dutton told colleagues on Tuesday that the opposition should not be lending legitimacy to a Greens policy that he believes lacks guardrails. However, Canavan, a former minister turned prominent populist backbencher, said he did not care which party put up the proposal.
“I care about the small businesses and farmers that get screwed by unethical and unrestrained corporate conduct,” Canavan said.
Canavan’s rhetoric is representative of a growing cohort of influential Coalition backbenchers – including former minister Keith Pitt and economics committee deputy chair Garth Hamilton – putting pressure on Dutton to live up to his repeated claim that the Coalition is now the party of the working classes.
The main private sector lobby groups, whose positions often align with the Coalition’s, are vehemently opposed to divestiture laws.
Dutton signalled his willingness to brawl with corporates on issues of cultural concern when he backed a boycott of Woolworths after it stopped selling Australia Day merchandise, but the opposition is yet to release economic policies pitched at cash-strapped voters.
“We must continue to put the interests of the Australian people above those of the big banks and supermarkets, and our policies going into the next election should reflect that,” Hamilton said.
Supermarket inquiry
Greens’ supermarket-busting bill labelled ‘extreme’ by business, but has Liberal backer
There is growing momentum for new powers to counter the market dominance of supermarkets, which have been accused of price gouging during the inflation crisis. Executives have repeatedly denied the charge and claimed higher production costs were leading to higher store prices.Australian Competition and Consumer Committee (ACCC) chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb indicated to a Senate estimates committee last May she was supportive of divestiture powers for the Federal Court.
The National Farmers Federation and the Business Council of Australia are opposed to forced break-up laws.
“Experts looked at this policy most recently in 2015 and found it would negatively impact consumers, so this Greens bill could cause prices to be more expensive,” Business Council of Australia chief executive Bran Black said last week.
ACCC break-up powers would be a ‘big stick’ to corporate Australia: Fels
Earlier this year, Labor asked the ACCC to examine the difference between the prices received by producers at the farm gate and those paid by consumers at the checkout.“There would be quite a loss of economies of scale,” he said.
“However, the existence of the power is likely to have a big effect on business behaviour generally. It’s a huge stick, and a big stick is needed to make some parts of the Act work more effectively.”
“Business tends to not take too much notice of section 46 . But if there is a chance of divestiture it would make a huge difference,” he said.
Woolworths were contacted for comment. A Coles spokeswoman referred to the position of the Australian Retailers’ Association, whose chief executive Paul Zahra said last week: “Large supermarkets operate with high fixed costs and intricate supply chains. The most likely outcome of any forced divestment would be to disrupt the economies of scale retailers have painstakingly built.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-developing-big-stick-law-to-rein-in-coles-and-woolworths-20240327-p5fflq.html
…
I reckon supermarkets who have contracts with farmers should be forced to sell the entire crop regardless of how unmarketable some produce might be. No food waste and customers are given a choice of buying inferior product for less if they so choose.
Am I missing any unintended consequences of such a legal requirement?
It might be inflationary and further drive up the cost of living.
We always hear from farmers that they don’t get a fair deal for their produce. While that may be true, any
riceincreases will certainly get passed on to the customers. It’s not like the shareholders are going to go without their profits.
+p = price
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Coalition developing ‘big stick’ law to rein in Coles and WoolworthsPeter Dutton’s opposition is working on a “big stick” law that would threaten supermarket giants Coles and Woolworths with break-up powers for anticompetitive behaviour as it seeks to put the cost of living front and centre heading into a federal election.
As Coalition backbenchers put pressure on their party leaders to take on big business, shadow treasurer Angus Taylor and Nationals leader David Littleproud are in advanced talks on new divestiture laws that aim to empower consumers against Australia’s supermarket behemoths.
The plans, confirmed by three senior Liberals who did not want to be named because precise details have not been agreed and are subject to change, are likely to include court-enforced divestiture of assets as a last resort to act as a strong incentive for supermarkets to act in consumers’ interest.
The laws would focus only on supermarkets rather than economy-wide powers, which the Coalition is worried would spook the private sector. They would be modelled on similar narrowly defined laws in the US and UK.
“We enforced the same rules in the energy market. The laws were never actually used, but the spectre of the ‘big stick’ kept prices lower, so there is a good case to be made for supermarkets,” one Coalition source said.
The looming policy announcement represents a win for the National Party, which has campaigned for the laws for years, and sharpens the political contest over living standards with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who has ordered a probe into supermarkets but has described break-up laws as belonging in the old Soviet Union.
In a sign of the antipathy towards corporate Australia within Coalition ranks, former minister Matt Canavan will cross the floor to vote for a Greens bill allowing the break-up of supermarkets, banks and other mega-firms.
Dutton told colleagues on Tuesday that the opposition should not be lending legitimacy to a Greens policy that he believes lacks guardrails. However, Canavan, a former minister turned prominent populist backbencher, said he did not care which party put up the proposal.
“I care about the small businesses and farmers that get screwed by unethical and unrestrained corporate conduct,” Canavan said.
Canavan’s rhetoric is representative of a growing cohort of influential Coalition backbenchers – including former minister Keith Pitt and economics committee deputy chair Garth Hamilton – putting pressure on Dutton to live up to his repeated claim that the Coalition is now the party of the working classes.
The main private sector lobby groups, whose positions often align with the Coalition’s, are vehemently opposed to divestiture laws.
Dutton signalled his willingness to brawl with corporates on issues of cultural concern when he backed a boycott of Woolworths after it stopped selling Australia Day merchandise, but the opposition is yet to release economic policies pitched at cash-strapped voters.
“We must continue to put the interests of the Australian people above those of the big banks and supermarkets, and our policies going into the next election should reflect that,” Hamilton said.
Supermarket inquiry
Greens’ supermarket-busting bill labelled ‘extreme’ by business, but has Liberal backer
There is growing momentum for new powers to counter the market dominance of supermarkets, which have been accused of price gouging during the inflation crisis. Executives have repeatedly denied the charge and claimed higher production costs were leading to higher store prices.Australian Competition and Consumer Committee (ACCC) chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb indicated to a Senate estimates committee last May she was supportive of divestiture powers for the Federal Court.
The National Farmers Federation and the Business Council of Australia are opposed to forced break-up laws.
“Experts looked at this policy most recently in 2015 and found it would negatively impact consumers, so this Greens bill could cause prices to be more expensive,” Business Council of Australia chief executive Bran Black said last week.
ACCC break-up powers would be a ‘big stick’ to corporate Australia: Fels
Earlier this year, Labor asked the ACCC to examine the difference between the prices received by producers at the farm gate and those paid by consumers at the checkout.“There would be quite a loss of economies of scale,” he said.
“However, the existence of the power is likely to have a big effect on business behaviour generally. It’s a huge stick, and a big stick is needed to make some parts of the Act work more effectively.”
“Business tends to not take too much notice of section 46 . But if there is a chance of divestiture it would make a huge difference,” he said.
Woolworths were contacted for comment. A Coles spokeswoman referred to the position of the Australian Retailers’ Association, whose chief executive Paul Zahra said last week: “Large supermarkets operate with high fixed costs and intricate supply chains. The most likely outcome of any forced divestment would be to disrupt the economies of scale retailers have painstakingly built.”
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/coalition-developing-big-stick-law-to-rein-in-coles-and-woolworths-20240327-p5fflq.html
…
I reckon supermarkets who have contracts with farmers should be forced to sell the entire crop regardless of how unmarketable some produce might be. No food waste and customers are given a choice of buying inferior product for less if they so choose.
Am I missing any unintended consequences of such a legal requirement?
It might be inflationary and further drive up the cost of living.
We always hear from farmers that they don’t get a fair deal for their produce. While that may be true, any rice increases will certainly get passed on to the customers. It’s not like the shareholders are going to go without their profits.
Thanks. I’ll think it over.
