Other than HOOD being the only word not containing an “E”.. I’m not sure
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m no good at these wordy ones, but I’m going for MEEK because it is the only adjective.
diddly-squat said:
Other than HOOD being the only word not containing an “E”.. I’m not sure
A perfectly reasonable answer.
Almost as good as mine.
Ibex, the only animal, dice, the only plural…
Meek, the only word with no rounded shapes in the letters.
All the other answers given are also good ones
ruby said:
Meek, the only word with no rounded shapes in the letters.All the other answers given are also good ones
Meek is also the only word that forms the surname of a Holiday Forum poster when you add er.
Echo is the only one with consonants wrapped in vowels.
the answer is in the case
IBEX
Hello
Cymek said:
Hello
That wasn’t even on the list.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Hello
That wasn’t even on the list.
It is now.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Hello
That wasn’t even on the list.
Yes sorry about that
ChrispenEvan said:
I yet again mention my objection to these ill-framed questions. There are countless correct answers, but I’ll say that IBEX should be DOME.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I yet again mention my objection to these ill-framed questions. There are countless correct answers, but I’ll say that IBEX should be DOME.
If IBEX should be DOME, then shouldn’t ECHO be CEHO?
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
Hello
That wasn’t even on the list.
Yes sorry about that
I should think so too :)
Meek is the only one that will inherit the Earth
Ah well update us when you get the “correct” answer.
dv said:
Meek is the only one that will inherit the Earth
i doubt that will happen.
dv said:
Meek is the only one that will inherit the Earth
Dear oh dear.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
Meek is the only one that will inherit the Earth
i doubt that will happen.
I don’t know.
When it becomes uninhabitable Meek may well inherit it.
The answer could have been DICE, as the only word that didn’t have anything different about it, but furious spoiled that option.
List updated
dv said:
List updated
Roger.
Meek
Kingy said:
Meek
MEEK is the only word in the list that is not symmetric about the middle horizontal line.
KJW said:
MEEK is the only word in the list that is not symmetric about the middle horizontal line.
Ooh, that’s good.
KJW said:
MEEK is the only word in the list that is not symmetric about the middle horizontal line.
:)
Peak Warming Man said:
KJW said:
MEEK is the only word in the list that is not symmetric about the middle horizontal line.Ooh, that’s good.
I think it might be the intended correct answer because B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, and X are all the letters of the alphabet that are symmetric about the middle horizontal line, and the list uses all of them (although only MEEK uses K).
Also, aren’t these problems usually mathematical in character?
KJW said:
MEEK is the only word in the list that is not symmetric about the middle horizontal line.
That would appear to be it
KJW said:
Peak Warming Man said:
KJW said:
MEEK is the only word in the list that is not symmetric about the middle horizontal line.Ooh, that’s good.
I think it might be the intended correct answer because B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, and X are all the letters of the alphabet that are symmetric about the middle horizontal line, and the list uses all of them (although only MEEK uses K).
Also, aren’t these problems usually mathematical in character?
no.
KJW said:
Peak Warming Man said:
KJW said:
MEEK is the only word in the list that is not symmetric about the middle horizontal line.Ooh, that’s good.
I think it might be the intended correct answer because B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, and X are all the letters of the alphabet that are symmetric about the middle horizontal line, and the list uses all of them (although only MEEK uses K).
Also, aren’t these problems usually mathematical in character?
Not always
ChrispenEvan said:
KJW said:
Peak Warming Man said:Ooh, that’s good.
I think it might be the intended correct answer because B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, and X are all the letters of the alphabet that are symmetric about the middle horizontal line, and the list uses all of them (although only MEEK uses K).
Also, aren’t these problems usually mathematical in character?
no.
What is the official correct answer?
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
KJW said:I think it might be the intended correct answer because B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, and X are all the letters of the alphabet that are symmetric about the middle horizontal line, and the list uses all of them (although only MEEK uses K).
Also, aren’t these problems usually mathematical in character?
no.
What is the official correct answer?
No one knows my Lord, no one.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
KJW said:I think it might be the intended correct answer because B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, and X are all the letters of the alphabet that are symmetric about the middle horizontal line, and the list uses all of them (although only MEEK uses K).
Also, aren’t these problems usually mathematical in character?
no.
What is the official correct answer?
never seen the abc post one. apparently it is on some abc radio program on some afternoon on some day.
It’s better to not know, then we are all right and wrong, leave it in the box
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
KJW said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ooh, that’s good.
I think it might be the intended correct answer because B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, and X are all the letters of the alphabet that are symmetric about the middle horizontal line, and the list uses all of them (although only MEEK uses K).
Also, aren’t these problems usually mathematical in character?
no.
Not always
Fucking neutronium solid hard disagree; all problems are mathematical, even if they are in character.
Also slash alternatively, symmetry has no role in mathematics.
Arts said:
It’s better to not know, then we are all right and wrong, leave it in the box
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:no.
What is the official correct answer?
never seen the abc post one. apparently it is on some abc radio program on some afternoon on some day.
Well that’s no bloody good.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:What is the official correct answer?
never seen the abc post one. apparently it is on some abc radio program on some afternoon on some day.
Well that’s no bloody good.
unfortunately my 8 cents doesn’t give me much of a say in how the abc is run.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:never seen the abc post one. apparently it is on some abc radio program on some afternoon on some day.
Well that’s no bloody good.
unfortunately my 8 cents doesn’t give me much of a say in how the abc is run.
You’re an enabler.
Witty Rejoinder said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Well that’s no bloody good.
unfortunately my 8 cents doesn’t give me much of a say in how the abc is run.
You’re an enabler.
I blame my parents.
Where on the ABC website are these posted?
AussieDJ said:
Where on the ABC website are these posted?
I get them off their FB page.
ChrispenEvan said:
AussieDJ said:
Where on the ABC website are these posted?
I get them off their FB page.
Which part?
AussieDJ said:
ChrispenEvan said:
AussieDJ said:
Where on the ABC website are these posted?
I get them off their FB page.
Which part?
probably news.
AussieDJ said:
ChrispenEvan said:
AussieDJ said:
Where on the ABC website are these posted?
I get them off their FB page.
Which part?
the abc have never put the answer in the thread to the teaser. as far as i am aware.
ChrispenEvan said:
AussieDJ said:
ChrispenEvan said:I get them off their FB page.
Which part?
the abc have never put the answer in the thread to the teaser. as far as i am aware.
Someone (ahem) may possibly be able to get the answer off the wireless, but this same person needs to see where the question is posted in the first place.
:)
AussieDJ said:
ChrispenEvan said:
AussieDJ said:Which part?
the abc have never put the answer in the thread to the teaser. as far as i am aware.
Someone (ahem) may possibly be able to get the answer off the wireless, but this same person needs to see where the question is posted in the first place.
:)
oh well, can’t help any further.
ChrispenEvan said:
AussieDJ said:
ChrispenEvan said:the abc have never put the answer in the thread to the teaser. as far as i am aware.
Someone (ahem) may possibly be able to get the answer off the wireless, but this same person needs to see where the question is posted in the first place.
:)
oh well, can’t help any further.
You actually have, thank you.
It’s from Radio National and, along with FB, the quiz also appears on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/abcradionational/
Judging from the timestamp for when it’s posted, I’d reckon it’s part of the RN Breakfast program.
And so it turns out to be!
This week’s answer can be heard here.
AussieDJ said:
ChrispenEvan said:
AussieDJ said:Someone (ahem) may possibly be able to get the answer off the wireless, but this same person needs to see where the question is posted in the first place.
:)
oh well, can’t help any further.
You actually have, thank you.
It’s from Radio National and, along with FB, the quiz also appears on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/abcradionational/
Judging from the timestamp for when it’s posted, I’d reckon it’s part of the RN Breakfast program.
And so it turns out to be!
This week’s answer can be heard here.
So it is indeed MEEK, with the KJW reason being the preferred one, but “only adjective”, and “only one with no rounded letters” also being recognised as valid reasons.
No mention of all the other words being potential valid answers as well though.
ChrispenEvan said:
F, I, I, K
6
OCDC said:
ChrispenEvan said:F, I, I, K
:) That’s a good answer.
but maybe it is N?
OCDC said:
ChrispenEvan said:F, I, I, K
:)))))
I was listening to the radio so I know the answer. Much prefer OCDC’s
ruby said:
OCDC said:
ChrispenEvan said:F, I, I, K
:)))))
I was listening to the radio so I know the answer. Much prefer OCDC’s
Yep.
My answer is in memory of mr kii’s usual answer to any question…he’d just look like a startled rabbit and say “Six!”
I miss his silliness.
I also got six in the quiz which made me think about him.
kii said:
My answer is in memory of mr kii’s usual answer to any question…he’d just look like a startled rabbit and say “Six!”
I miss his silliness.
I also got six in the quiz which made me think about him.
Six it is then.
4
Now that I’ve re-read it, I geddit.
ChrispenEvan said:
What an easy question.
K
Anyone can see that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
What an easy question.
K
Anyone can see that.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking but no doubt ABC had a different answer
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
What an easy question.
K
Anyone can see that.
Excellently pedantic answer :))))
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
What an easy question.
K
Anyone can see that.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking but no doubt ABC had a different answer
OK, well in that case I’ll translate it as:
Be Careful Friends, Hidden Information Knowledge Required.
So the answer is R.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What an easy question.
K
Anyone can see that.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking but no doubt ABC had a different answer
OK, well in that case I’ll translate it as:
Be Careful Friends, Hidden Information Knowledge Required.
So the answer is R.
You left out the I.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What an easy question.
K
Anyone can see that.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking but no doubt ABC had a different answer
OK, well in that case I’ll translate it as:
Be Careful Friends, Hidden Information Knowledge Required.
So the answer is R.
Or maybe it is an E because you might want to visit BCF to get some gear before going on a HIKE
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Yeah that’s what I was thinking but no doubt ABC had a different answer
OK, well in that case I’ll translate it as:
Be Careful Friends, Hidden Information Knowledge Required.
So the answer is R.
You left out the I.
No he didn’t, can’t you read?
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK, well in that case I’ll translate it as:
Be Careful Friends, Hidden Information Knowledge Required.
So the answer is R.
You left out the I.
No he didn’t, can’t you read?
I thought it was some sort of joke on “hidden information” :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:You left out the I.
No he didn’t, can’t you read?
I thought it was some sort of joke on “hidden information” :)
I just didn’t “see” the word Information, and thought you had meant to write Be Careful Friends, Hidden Knowledge Is Required.
But that would be a different sequence anyway so my only excuse is I’ve had insufficient sleep and am feeling a bit down and dull.
Okay so since some of you heard the broadcast, what’s the “real” answer?
Nobody answering had it correct. But it’s quite elementary.
Ian said:
Nobody answering had it correct. But it’s quite elementary.
Oh shit
Ian said:
Nobody answering had it correct. But it’s quite elementary.
Damn, I even looked up the elementary table, but I still didn’t get it.
ruby said:
OCDC said:
ChrispenEvan said:F, I, I, K
:)))))
I was listening to the radio so I know the answer. Much prefer OCDC’s
I thought it could feasibly be I (from IDK)
https://youtu.be/XeSu9fBJ2sI?si=rlyOUfu3Hdw2cSFO
The name of this video is “The most controversial problem in philosophy”.
This is overselling it somewhat. It is a pretty basic problem in probability: kind of a modified Monty Hall. I also don’t see it as controversial.
dv said:
I also don’t see it as controversial.
What If We Disagree
dv said:
https://youtu.be/XeSu9fBJ2sI?si=rlyOUfu3Hdw2cSFOThe name of this video is “The most controversial problem in philosophy”.
This is overselling it somewhat. It is a pretty basic problem in probability: kind of a modified Monty Hall. I also don’t see it as controversial.
I suspect I will agree, but OTOH, I recall we did discuss Monty Hall at very great length back in the days before this forum went on holiday, so I suppose it is controversial for some.
dv said:
https://youtu.be/XeSu9fBJ2sI?si=rlyOUfu3Hdw2cSFOThe name of this video is “The most controversial problem in philosophy”.
This is overselling it somewhat. It is a pretty basic problem in probability: kind of a modified Monty Hall. I also don’t see it as controversial.
17 minutes 45 seconds!
Nobody got time for that.
I have tackled this problem the SCIENTIFIC way.
Read it later.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/XeSu9fBJ2sI?si=rlyOUfu3Hdw2cSFOThe name of this video is “The most controversial problem in philosophy”.
This is overselling it somewhat. It is a pretty basic problem in probability: kind of a modified Monty Hall. I also don’t see it as controversial.
17 minutes 45 seconds!
Nobody got time for that.
I have tackled this problem the SCIENTIFIC way.
Read it later.
The video is about 10 minutes long.
I am a bit baffled, though. Veritasium has some fine videos on mathematical concepts but here they seem stymied by this basic idea of conditional probability.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/XeSu9fBJ2sI?si=rlyOUfu3Hdw2cSFOThe name of this video is “The most controversial problem in philosophy”.
This is overselling it somewhat. It is a pretty basic problem in probability: kind of a modified Monty Hall. I also don’t see it as controversial.
17 minutes 45 seconds!
Nobody got time for that.
I have tackled this problem the SCIENTIFIC way.
Read it later.
download it and run it at x2.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
https://youtu.be/XeSu9fBJ2sI?si=rlyOUfu3Hdw2cSFOThe name of this video is “The most controversial problem in philosophy”.
This is overselling it somewhat. It is a pretty basic problem in probability: kind of a modified Monty Hall. I also don’t see it as controversial.
17 minutes 45 seconds!
Nobody got time for that.
I have tackled this problem the SCIENTIFIC way.
Read it later.
The video is about 10 minutes long.
I am a bit baffled, though. Veritasium has some fine videos on mathematical concepts but here they seem stymied by this basic idea of conditional probability.
Not sure what happened there.
I was watching the 10 minute sleeping beauty video, but when I went to download the transcript I somehow ended up at a 17 minute 100 prisoner video.
But I’ve now read the 10 minute one, and yes, I agree.
If the question is clearly stated there should be no controversy at all.
Just like the Monty Hall problem.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
17 minutes 45 seconds!
Nobody got time for that.
I have tackled this problem the SCIENTIFIC way.
Read it later.
The video is about 10 minutes long.
I am a bit baffled, though. Veritasium has some fine videos on mathematical concepts but here they seem stymied by this basic idea of conditional probability.Not sure what happened there.
I was watching the 10 minute sleeping beauty video, but when I went to download the transcript I somehow ended up at a 17 minute 100 prisoner video.
But I’ve now read the 10 minute one, and yes, I agree.
If the question is clearly stated there should be no controversy at all.
Just like the Monty Hall problem.
So we agree it is entirely controversial then.
What Is The Philosophical Qualification Problem ¿
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The video is about 10 minutes long.
I am a bit baffled, though. Veritasium has some fine videos on mathematical concepts but here they seem stymied by this basic idea of conditional probability.Not sure what happened there.
I was watching the 10 minute sleeping beauty video, but when I went to download the transcript I somehow ended up at a 17 minute 100 prisoner video.
But I’ve now read the 10 minute one, and yes, I agree.
If the question is clearly stated there should be no controversy at all.
Just like the Monty Hall problem.
So we agree it is entirely controversial then.
Not round these parts we don’t.
SCIENCE said:
What Is The Philosophical Qualification Problem ¿
Don’t know.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
So we agree it is entirely controversial then.
Not round these parts we don’t.
SCIENCE said:
What Is The Philosophical Qualification Problem ¿
Don’t know.
This one also appears non-controversial.
No results found for “Philosophical Qualification Problem”.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Don’t know.
This one also appears non-controversial.
No results found for “Philosophical Qualification Problem”.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ROTFLMAO&q=what
https://www.google.com/search?client=ROTFLMAO&q=is
https://www.google.com/search?client=ROTFLMAO&q=the
https://www.google.com/search?client=ROTFLMAO&q=philosophical
https://www.google.com/search?client=ROTFLMAO&q=qualification
https://www.google.com/search?client=ROTFLMAO&q=problem
Here’s one that is interesting. Not a new one.
There is an island with 100 inhabitants, 10 with blue eyes and 90 with brown eyes. They can all see the color of other people’s eyes, but not their own. They cannot communicate about it and there are no mirrors, and there is a law that says that if someone discovers that they have blue eyes, then that person must leave the island at 8 am the next day. All the inhabitants of the island are very good at logical reasoning. One day, an outsider arrives on the island, takes one look at its inhabitants and says: “I am pleased to have seen at least one person with blue eyes.”The conventional solution holds that everyone with blue eyes will leave the island on the 10th day. If there were only one inhabitant with blue eyes, he or she would immediately realize that the stranger is referring to him/her, since the other 99 peole have brown eyes. This person would leave the next morning. If there were two people with blue eyes, seeing that the next morning no one leaves, they would both know that they have blue eyes, for they would think: “If the only one of the other 99 who has blue eyes saw that mine are brown, he/she would immediately know that his/hers are blue and would have left the next morning.” Therefore, they would both leave the second day. If we repeat this reasoning in this fashion, we conclude that on the 10th day, all 10 blue-eyed islanders would leave.
What makes this paradoxical is that the observer seemingly has introduced no new information. They all already knew there were several people with blue eyes and they all knew that they all knew.
dv said:
seemingly has introduced no new information
LOLWTF
dv said:
Here’s one that is interesting. Not a new one.
There is an island with 100 inhabitants, 10 with blue eyes and 90 with brown eyes. They can all see the color of other people’s eyes, but not their own. They cannot communicate about it and there are no mirrors, and there is a law that says that if someone discovers that they have blue eyes, then that person must leave the island at 8 am the next day. All the inhabitants of the island are very good at logical reasoning. One day, an outsider arrives on the island, takes one look at its inhabitants and says: “I am pleased to have seen at least one person with blue eyes.”The conventional solution holds that everyone with blue eyes will leave the island on the 10th day. If there were only one inhabitant with blue eyes, he or she would immediately realize that the stranger is referring to him/her, since the other 99 peole have brown eyes. This person would leave the next morning. If there were two people with blue eyes, seeing that the next morning no one leaves, they would both know that they have blue eyes, for they would think: “If the only one of the other 99 who has blue eyes saw that mine are brown, he/she would immediately know that his/hers are blue and would have left the next morning.” Therefore, they would both leave the second day. If we repeat this reasoning in this fashion, we conclude that on the 10th day, all 10 blue-eyed islanders would leave.
What makes this paradoxical is that the observer seemingly has introduced no new information. They all already knew there were several people with blue eyes and they all knew that they all knew.
They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Here’s one that is interesting. Not a new one.
There is an island with 100 inhabitants, 10 with blue eyes and 90 with brown eyes. They can all see the color of other people’s eyes, but not their own. They cannot communicate about it and there are no mirrors, and there is a law that says that if someone discovers that they have blue eyes, then that person must leave the island at 8 am the next day. All the inhabitants of the island are very good at logical reasoning. One day, an outsider arrives on the island, takes one look at its inhabitants and says: “I am pleased to have seen at least one person with blue eyes.”The conventional solution holds that everyone with blue eyes will leave the island on the 10th day. If there were only one inhabitant with blue eyes, he or she would immediately realize that the stranger is referring to him/her, since the other 99 peole have brown eyes. This person would leave the next morning. If there were two people with blue eyes, seeing that the next morning no one leaves, they would both know that they have blue eyes, for they would think: “If the only one of the other 99 who has blue eyes saw that mine are brown, he/she would immediately know that his/hers are blue and would have left the next morning.” Therefore, they would both leave the second day. If we repeat this reasoning in this fashion, we conclude that on the 10th day, all 10 blue-eyed islanders would leave.
What makes this paradoxical is that the observer seemingly has introduced no new information. They all already knew there were several people with blue eyes and they all knew that they all knew.
They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
and the visitor also had blue eyes
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Here’s one that is interesting. Not a new one.
There is an island with 100 inhabitants, 10 with blue eyes and 90 with brown eyes. They can all see the color of other people’s eyes, but not their own. They cannot communicate about it and there are no mirrors, and there is a law that says that if someone discovers that they have blue eyes, then that person must leave the island at 8 am the next day. All the inhabitants of the island are very good at logical reasoning. One day, an outsider arrives on the island, takes one look at its inhabitants and says: “I am pleased to have seen at least one person with blue eyes.”
The conventional solution holds that everyone with blue eyes will leave the island on the 10th day. If there were only one inhabitant with blue eyes, he or she would immediately realize that the stranger is referring to him/her, since the other 99 peole have brown eyes. This person would leave the next morning. If there were two people with blue eyes, seeing that the next morning no one leaves, they would both know that they have blue eyes, for they would think: “If the only one of the other 99 who has blue eyes saw that mine are brown, he/she would immediately know that his/hers are blue and would have left the next morning.” Therefore, they would both leave the second day. If we repeat this reasoning in this fashion, we conclude that on the 10th day, all 10 blue-eyed islanders would leave.
What makes this paradoxical is that the observer seemingly has introduced no new information. They all already knew there were several people with blue eyes and they all knew that they all knew.
They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
and the visitor also had blue eyes
What if they were all kept in the dark¿
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
and the visitor also had blue eyes
What if they were all kept in the dark¿
Then they would have to ponder: what colour are blue eyes in the dark?
If there was only one inhabitant with blue eyes is wrong.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Here’s one that is interesting. Not a new one.
There is an island with 100 inhabitants, 10 with blue eyes and 90 with brown eyes. They can all see the color of other people’s eyes, but not their own. They cannot communicate about it and there are no mirrors, and there is a law that says that if someone discovers that they have blue eyes, then that person must leave the island at 8 am the next day. All the inhabitants of the island are very good at logical reasoning. One day, an outsider arrives on the island, takes one look at its inhabitants and says: “I am pleased to have seen at least one person with blue eyes.”The conventional solution holds that everyone with blue eyes will leave the island on the 10th day. If there were only one inhabitant with blue eyes, he or she would immediately realize that the stranger is referring to him/her, since the other 99 peole have brown eyes. This person would leave the next morning. If there were two people with blue eyes, seeing that the next morning no one leaves, they would both know that they have blue eyes, for they would think: “If the only one of the other 99 who has blue eyes saw that mine are brown, he/she would immediately know that his/hers are blue and would have left the next morning.” Therefore, they would both leave the second day. If we repeat this reasoning in this fashion, we conclude that on the 10th day, all 10 blue-eyed islanders would leave.
What makes this paradoxical is that the observer seemingly has introduced no new information. They all already knew there were several people with blue eyes and they all knew that they all knew.
They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
Famed Australian mathematician Terence Tao appears to hold each of the two possibilities as valid.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Here’s one that is interesting. Not a new one.
There is an island with 100 inhabitants, 10 with blue eyes and 90 with brown eyes. They can all see the color of other people’s eyes, but not their own. They cannot communicate about it and there are no mirrors, and there is a law that says that if someone discovers that they have blue eyes, then that person must leave the island at 8 am the next day. All the inhabitants of the island are very good at logical reasoning. One day, an outsider arrives on the island, takes one look at its inhabitants and says: “I am pleased to have seen at least one person with blue eyes.”The conventional solution holds that everyone with blue eyes will leave the island on the 10th day. If there were only one inhabitant with blue eyes, he or she would immediately realize that the stranger is referring to him/her, since the other 99 peole have brown eyes. This person would leave the next morning. If there were two people with blue eyes, seeing that the next morning no one leaves, they would both know that they have blue eyes, for they would think: “If the only one of the other 99 who has blue eyes saw that mine are brown, he/she would immediately know that his/hers are blue and would have left the next morning.” Therefore, they would both leave the second day. If we repeat this reasoning in this fashion, we conclude that on the 10th day, all 10 blue-eyed islanders would leave.
What makes this paradoxical is that the observer seemingly has introduced no new information. They all already knew there were several people with blue eyes and they all knew that they all knew.
They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
Common Knowledge is a special kind of knowledge for a group of agents. There is common knowledge of p in a group of agents G when all the agents in G know p, they all know that they know p, they all know that they all know that they know p, and so on ad infinitum.
esselte said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
Common Knowledge is a special kind of knowledge for a group of agents. There is common knowledge of p in a group of agents G when all the agents in G know p, they all know that they know p, they all know that they all know that they know p, and so on ad infinitum.
Mutual Knowledge is a fundamental concept about information in game theory, (epistemic) logic, and epistemology. An event is mutual knowledge if all agents know that the event occurred. However, mutual knowledge by itself implies nothing about what agents know about other agents’ knowledge: i.e. it is possible that an event is mutual knowledge but that each agent is unaware that the other agents know it has occurred. Common knowledge is a related but stronger notion; any event that is common knowledge is also mutual knowledge….
Communications (verbal or non-verbal) can turn mutual knowledge into common knowledge.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Here’s one that is interesting. Not a new one.
There is an island with 100 inhabitants, 10 with blue eyes and 90 with brown eyes. They can all see the color of other people’s eyes, but not their own. They cannot communicate about it and there are no mirrors, and there is a law that says that if someone discovers that they have blue eyes, then that person must leave the island at 8 am the next day. All the inhabitants of the island are very good at logical reasoning. One day, an outsider arrives on the island, takes one look at its inhabitants and says: “I am pleased to have seen at least one person with blue eyes.”The conventional solution holds that everyone with blue eyes will leave the island on the 10th day. If there were only one inhabitant with blue eyes, he or she would immediately realize that the stranger is referring to him/her, since the other 99 peole have brown eyes. This person would leave the next morning. If there were two people with blue eyes, seeing that the next morning no one leaves, they would both know that they have blue eyes, for they would think: “If the only one of the other 99 who has blue eyes saw that mine are brown, he/she would immediately know that his/hers are blue and would have left the next morning.” Therefore, they would both leave the second day. If we repeat this reasoning in this fashion, we conclude that on the 10th day, all 10 blue-eyed islanders would leave.
What makes this paradoxical is that the observer seemingly has introduced no new information. They all already knew there were several people with blue eyes and they all knew that they all knew.
They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
I think you miss my point, or I’m missing yours (however unlikely that may be).
Yes, the blue eyes all knew there were at least 9 people with blue eyes, and that these other blue eyes would see either 8 or 9 blue eyes, but they can’t have known that on the day they arrived, because if they did they would have started the counting process then, and all left on the 10th day after arrival.
dv said:
Famed Australian mathematician Terence Tao appears to hold each of the two possibilities as valid.
What are the two possibilities that he holds to be valid?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Famed Australian mathematician Terence Tao appears to hold each of the two possibilities as valid.
What are the two possibilities that he holds to be valid?
OK, I gather the possibilities are the blue eyes all leave on day 10, or they don’t.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Famed Australian mathematician Terence Tao appears to hold each of the two possibilities as valid.
What are the two possibilities that he holds to be valid?
OK, I gather the possibilities are the blue eyes all leave on day 10, or they don’t.
I’m finding his blog difficult to navigate, and I can’t find anywhere where he states his opinion on the solution, or that there isn’t one.
Can you post a link?
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Famed Australian mathematician Terence Tao appears to hold each of the two possibilities as valid.
What are the two possibilities that he holds to be valid?
OK, I gather the possibilities are the blue eyes all leave on day 10, or they don’t.
So perfect logic cannot be both complete and consistent¡ Oh Godel¡ Again¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What are the two possibilities that he holds to be valid?
OK, I gather the possibilities are the blue eyes all leave on day 10, or they don’t.
I’m finding his blog difficult to navigate, and I can’t find anywhere where he states his opinion on the solution, or that there isn’t one.
Can you post a link?
1. Yes.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, I gather the possibilities are the blue eyes all leave on day 10, or they don’t.
I’m finding his blog difficult to navigate, and I can’t find anywhere where he states his opinion on the solution, or that there isn’t one.
Can you post a link?
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’m finding his blog difficult to navigate, and I can’t find anywhere where he states his opinion on the solution, or that there isn’t one.
Can you post a link?
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
No, I’m not clicking on that link thanks.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’m finding his blog difficult to navigate, and I can’t find anywhere where he states his opinion on the solution, or that there isn’t one.
Can you post a link?
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
Does that link state Tao’s opinion on the question?
If so, please point out where.
( Know you have the capability to do so, thanks).
The Rev Dodgson said:
Does that link state Tao’s opinion on the question?
If so, please point out where.
( Know you have the capability to do so, thanks).
FWIW, unless anyone can point to something else he’s written or said, it appears Tao does not consider both options to be valid.
https://terrytao.wordpress.com/tag/blue-eyed-islander-puzzle/
“I recently reposted my favourite logic puzzle, namely the blue-eyed islander puzzle. I am fond of this puzzle because in order to properly understand the correct solution (and to properly understand why the alternative solution is incorrect), one has to think very clearly (but unintuitively) about the nature of knowledge.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
Does that link state Tao’s opinion on the question?
If so, please point out where.
( Know you have the capability to do so, thanks).
It shows that bing.com returns a math.stackexchange.com post that references here on Terry Tao’s website so we know yous have the search and linkfollowing capabilities to get there¡
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
3. Yes.
Does that link state Tao’s opinion on the question?
If so, please point out where.
( Know you have the capability to do so, thanks).
It shows that bing.com returns a math.stackexchange.com post that references here on Terry Tao’s website so we know yous have the search and linkfollowing capabilities to get there¡
But I had already found Tao’s website, but I couldn’t find there a clear statement of what he thought the solution was, if any.
So that’s why I requested dv to help.
esselte said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Does that link state Tao’s opinion on the question?
If so, please point out where.
( Know you have the capability to do so, thanks).
FWIW, unless anyone can point to something else he’s written or said, it appears Tao does not consider both options to be valid.
https://terrytao.wordpress.com/tag/blue-eyed-islander-puzzle/
“I recently reposted my favourite logic puzzle, namely the blue-eyed islander puzzle. I am fond of this puzzle because in order to properly understand the correct solution (and to properly understand why the alternative solution is incorrect), one has to think very clearly (but unintuitively) about the nature of knowledge.”
Yes, saw that bit, that’s why I was asking dv why he thought Tao thought both solutions were valid.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Does that link state Tao’s opinion on the question?
If so, please point out where.
( Know you have the capability to do so, thanks).
It shows that bing.com returns a math.stackexchange.com post that references here on Terry Tao’s website so we know yous have the search and linkfollowing capabilities to get there¡
But I had already found Tao’s website, but I couldn’t find there a clear statement of what he thought the solution was, if any.
So that’s why I requested dv to help.
Sorry, we thought you meant to clarify this bit
I’m finding his blog difficult to navigate, and I can’t find anywhere where he states his opinion on the solution, or that there isn’t one.
and ‘e certainly states an opinion accessible from those searchlinkfollowing guidances¡
Sorry for his not being clear if that is indeed the case, of course.
esselte said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
Common Knowledge is a special kind of knowledge for a group of agents. There is common knowledge of p in a group of agents G when all the agents in G know p, they all know that they know p, they all know that they all know that they know p, and so on ad infinitum.
Yeah I know, duh.
The problem with this puzzle is that the way that it is usually presented doesn’t explain why the interloper speaking changes anything.
These people have been living on this island for however long. Some would be old, some young, all with different experiences and attitudes. Some would have begun wondering what their eye colour is sooner than others. On the face of it, the stranger changes nothing.
This issue can be fixed with a slight rewording. Have everything as it is now (with people not knowing their own eye colour and not willing to speak of it), and a guru that they all trust tells them a new rule…
That is a change that synchronises the process.
the outsider breaks the rules on the first day by communicating about eye colour…
dv said:
esselte said:
dv said:That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
Common Knowledge is a special kind of knowledge for a group of agents. There is common knowledge of p in a group of agents G when all the agents in G know p, they all know that they know p, they all know that they all know that they know p, and so on ad infinitum.
Yeah I know, duh.
The problem with this puzzle is that the way that it is usually presented doesn’t explain why the interloper speaking changes anything.
These people have been living on this island for however long. Some would be old, some young, all with different experiences and attitudes. Some would have begun wondering what their eye colour is sooner than others. On the face of it, the stranger changes nothing.
This issue can be fixed with a slight rewording. Have everything as it is now (with people not knowing their own eye colour and not willing to speak of it), and a guru that they all trust tells them a new rule…
That is a change that synchronises the process.
But the stranger does change something. S/he in effect says: starting today you will start the incremental process of determining the minimum possible number of blue-eyes, starting with 1 and increasing by 1 each day.
dv said:
problem with this puzzle is that the way that it is usually presented doesn’t explain why
We thought that was pretty much how these puzzles always work, once you’ve got the qualification sorted then the ramification is straightforward enough.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
esselte said:Common Knowledge is a special kind of knowledge for a group of agents. There is common knowledge of p in a group of agents G when all the agents in G know p, they all know that they know p, they all know that they all know that they know p, and so on ad infinitum.
Yeah I know, duh.
The problem with this puzzle is that the way that it is usually presented doesn’t explain why the interloper speaking changes anything.
These people have been living on this island for however long. Some would be old, some young, all with different experiences and attitudes. Some would have begun wondering what their eye colour is sooner than others. On the face of it, the stranger changes nothing.
This issue can be fixed with a slight rewording. Have everything as it is now (with people not knowing their own eye colour and not willing to speak of it), and a guru that they all trust tells them a new rule…
That is a change that synchronises the process.
But the stranger does change something. S/he in effect says: starting today you will start the incremental process of determining the minimum possible number of blue-eyes, starting with 1 and increasing by 1 each day.
Agreed. Say two people in the group, you and John, have blue eyes. You know that at least one person in the group (John) has blue eyes, but you do not know if John knows that at least one person in the group has blue eyes The outsider imparts new information to you – specifically that you now know that John knows there is at least one blue eyed person in the group. John knew that previously of course, because he can see your eyes, but you did not know that he knew that previously because you didn’t know your own eye colour. At the same time, John now knows that you know there is at least one blue eyed person which is not knowledge he had previously.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:They have the information that the process of counting the minimum number of blue-eyed people started on the day the visitor arrived.
Presumably on the day they all arrived on the island not everybody was able to count the number of blue-eyes, so the process couldn’t start on that day, and no subsequent day could be a starting point that they all knew of, until the visitor made their statement.
That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
I think you miss my point, or I’m missing yours (however unlikely that may be).
Yes, the blue eyes all knew there were at least 9 people with blue eyes, and that these other blue eyes would see either 8 or 9 blue eyes, but they can’t have known that on the day they arrived, because if they did they would have started the counting process then, and all left on the 10th day after arrival.
It’s not at all clear they ever “arrived”. Presumably they were all born on the island at various times and gradually learned things about the world, including the taboo on eye colour discussion.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Famed Australian mathematician Terence Tao appears to hold each of the two possibilities as valid.
What are the two possibilities that he holds to be valid?
1/ common solution via iterative mutual knowledge considerations
2/ the stranger changes nothing. He tells them what they already know, what they already know they all know, what they already know they know they know etc ad infinitum.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:That ain’t it.
The standard solution works even if we assume that each of them already knew all the statistics. E.g the 10 blue eyed islanders all knew that there were 90 green eyed and 9 blue eyed other people on the island etc, before the interloper spoke.
I think you miss my point, or I’m missing yours (however unlikely that may be).
Yes, the blue eyes all knew there were at least 9 people with blue eyes, and that these other blue eyes would see either 8 or 9 blue eyes, but they can’t have known that on the day they arrived, because if they did they would have started the counting process then, and all left on the 10th day after arrival.
It’s not at all clear they ever “arrived”. Presumably they were all born on the island at various times and gradually learned things about the world, including the taboo on eye colour discussion.
OK, but that would still mean they didn’t have a specific day they could start their counting process.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think you miss my point, or I’m missing yours (however unlikely that may be).
Yes, the blue eyes all knew there were at least 9 people with blue eyes, and that these other blue eyes would see either 8 or 9 blue eyes, but they can’t have known that on the day they arrived, because if they did they would have started the counting process then, and all left on the 10th day after arrival.
It’s not at all clear they ever “arrived”. Presumably they were all born on the island at various times and gradually learned things about the world, including the taboo on eye colour discussion.
OK, but that would still mean they didn’t have a specific day they could start their counting process.
But what about esselte’s quote from the site?:
“I recently reposted my favourite logic puzzle, namely the blue-eyed islander puzzle. I am fond of this puzzle because in order to properly understand the correct solution (and to properly understand why the alternative solution is incorrect), one has to think very clearly (but unintuitively) about the nature of knowledge.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think you miss my point, or I’m missing yours (however unlikely that may be).
Yes, the blue eyes all knew there were at least 9 people with blue eyes, and that these other blue eyes would see either 8 or 9 blue eyes, but they can’t have known that on the day they arrived, because if they did they would have started the counting process then, and all left on the 10th day after arrival.
It’s not at all clear they ever “arrived”. Presumably they were all born on the island at various times and gradually learned things about the world, including the taboo on eye colour discussion.
OK, but that would still mean they didn’t have a specific day they could start their counting process.
OTOH, there would be nothing to stop one of them saying something like:
Imagine today a visitor arrived, and spoke of the things we are forbidden to speak of. Let us now start the process that we would start if that were to happen.
So if these people were as logical as claimed, all the blue-eyes would have departed already.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think you miss my point, or I’m missing yours (however unlikely that may be).
Yes, the blue eyes all knew there were at least 9 people with blue eyes, and that these other blue eyes would see either 8 or 9 blue eyes, but they can’t have known that on the day they arrived, because if they did they would have started the counting process then, and all left on the 10th day after arrival.
It’s not at all clear they ever “arrived”. Presumably they were all born on the island at various times and gradually learned things about the world, including the taboo on eye colour discussion.
OK, but that would still mean they didn’t have a specific day they could start their counting process.
OTOH, there would be nothing to stop one of them saying something like:
Imagine today a visitor arrived, and spoke of the things we are forbidden to speak of. Let us now start the process that we would start if that were to happen.
So if these people were as logical as claimed, all the blue-eyes would have departed already.
You make a good case and it appears I have misunderstood Tao’s positions, though I still don’t know what he believes.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
problem with this puzzle is that the way that it is usually presented doesn’t explain whyWe thought that was pretty much how these puzzles always work, once you’ve got the qualification sorted then the ramification is straightforward enough.
With careful wording, they can be like that.
esselte said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Yeah I know, duh.
The problem with this puzzle is that the way that it is usually presented doesn’t explain why the interloper speaking changes anything.
These people have been living on this island for however long. Some would be old, some young, all with different experiences and attitudes. Some would have begun wondering what their eye colour is sooner than others. On the face of it, the stranger changes nothing.
This issue can be fixed with a slight rewording. Have everything as it is now (with people not knowing their own eye colour and not willing to speak of it), and a guru that they all trust tells them a new rule…
That is a change that synchronises the process.
But the stranger does change something. S/he in effect says: starting today you will start the incremental process of determining the minimum possible number of blue-eyes, starting with 1 and increasing by 1 each day.
Agreed. Say two people in the group, you and John, have blue eyes. You know that at least one person in the group (John) has blue eyes, but you do not know if John knows that at least one person in the group has blue eyes The outsider imparts new information to you – specifically that you now know that John knows there is at least one blue eyed person in the group. John knew that previously of course, because he can see your eyes, but you did not know that he knew that previously because you didn’t know your own eye colour. At the same time, John now knows that you know there is at least one blue eyed person which is not knowledge he had previously.
Right.
And that doesn’t apply even indirectly when there are 10 blue eyed and 90 green eyed people.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
It’s not at all clear they ever “arrived”. Presumably they were all born on the island at various times and gradually learned things about the world, including the taboo on eye colour discussion.
OK, but that would still mean they didn’t have a specific day they could start their counting process.
OTOH, there would be nothing to stop one of them saying something like:
Imagine today a visitor arrived, and spoke of the things we are forbidden to speak of. Let us now start the process that we would start if that were to happen.
So if these people were as logical as claimed, all the blue-eyes would have departed already.
Have You Ever Heard Of A Nondisclosure Agreement That Forbids Disclosure Of The Presence Of A Nondisclosure Agreement
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, but that would still mean they didn’t have a specific day they could start their counting process.
OTOH, there would be nothing to stop one of them saying something like:
Imagine today a visitor arrived, and spoke of the things we are forbidden to speak of. Let us now start the process that we would start if that were to happen.
So if these people were as logical as claimed, all the blue-eyes would have departed already.
Have You Ever Heard Of A Nondisclosure Agreement That Forbids Disclosure Of The Presence Of A Nondisclosure Agreement
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, but that would still mean they didn’t have a specific day they could start their counting process.
OTOH, there would be nothing to stop one of them saying something like:
Imagine today a visitor arrived, and spoke of the things we are forbidden to speak of. Let us now start the process that we would start if that were to happen.
So if these people were as logical as claimed, all the blue-eyes would have departed already.
Have You Ever Heard Of A Nondisclosure Agreement That Forbids Disclosure Of The Presence Of A Nondisclosure Agreement
No, but I haven’t studied very many nondisclosure agreements in any great detail.
JudgeMental said:
Maybe 24?
JudgeMental said:
I was going to say it wasn’t much of a teaser, then I realised the answer I was just about to post was wrong, so maybe it’s not so bad.
8 in the original pyramid + 3 at each of the 4 base corners + 4 at the apex = 24
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I was going to say it wasn’t much of a teaser, then I realised the answer I was just about to post was wrong, so maybe it’s not so bad.
8 in the original pyramid + 3 at each of the 4 base corners + 4 at the apex = 24
That was my thinking exactly.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I was going to say it wasn’t much of a teaser, then I realised the answer I was just about to post was wrong, so maybe it’s not so bad.
8 in the original pyramid + 3 at each of the 4 base corners + 4 at the apex = 24
I could even work it out in my head.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I was going to say it wasn’t much of a teaser, then I realised the answer I was just about to post was wrong, so maybe it’s not so bad.
8 in the original pyramid + 3 at each of the 4 base corners + 4 at the apex = 24
That was my thinking exactly.
I started off not thinking and said 8 + 5×3 = 23.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I was going to say it wasn’t much of a teaser, then I realised the answer I was just about to post was wrong, so maybe it’s not so bad.
8 in the original pyramid + 3 at each of the 4 base corners + 4 at the apex = 24
Seems correct.
JudgeMental said:
24.
I think we are going to struggle to make this controversial.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
24.
I think we are going to struggle to make this controversial.
It sharpens objects being a pyramid
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
24.
I think we are going to struggle to make this controversial.
is it a shape now
Bogsnorkler said:
nominal
Bogsnorkler said:
I’m sure there are lots of them.
“thinner” comes to mind.
Other words may fit even better perhaps.
Perhaps “better” is one of them.
Bogsnorkler said:
it’s a bit old school.. but ‘lighter’ works
Bogsnorkler said:
Thinner? Tanner? Broker?
There are a shit ton of words that would grammatically make sense (bluffer, archer, number, blinder, rasher, damper, closer, camper, cooler, warmer, idler, primer …)
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Thinner? Tanner? Broker?
There are a shit ton of words that would grammatically make sense (bluffer, archer, number, blinder, rasher, damper, closer, camper, cooler, warmer, idler, primer …)
Agreed
But I like “broker”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Thinner? Tanner? Broker?
There are a shit ton of words that would grammatically make sense (bluffer, archer, number, blinder, rasher, damper, closer, camper, cooler, warmer, idler, primer …)
Agreed
But I like “broker”.
I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Thinner? Tanner? Broker?
There are a shit ton of words that would grammatically make sense (bluffer, archer, number, blinder, rasher, damper, closer, camper, cooler, warmer, idler, primer …)
Agreed
But I like “broker”.
I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
Maybe they are just looking for a range of answers that fit the bill.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Thinner? Tanner? Broker?
There are a shit ton of words that would grammatically make sense (bluffer, archer, number, blinder, rasher, damper, closer, camper, cooler, warmer, idler, primer …)
Agreed
But I like “broker”.
I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
Tamb said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Agreed
But I like “broker”.
I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
Broker is the only one which is grammatically correct.
I agree.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Agreed
But I like “broker”.
I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
Maybe they are just looking for a range of answers that fit the bill.
Ah well if anyone hears the “correct” answer, let us know.
Tamb said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Agreed
But I like “broker”.
I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
Broker is the only one which is grammatically correct.
No. All of those are.
Tamb said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Agreed
But I like “broker”.
I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
Broker is the only one which is grammatically correct.
They are all words that can be adjectives or nouns, so why aren’t they correct?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
dv said:I really think the Abe should run these by us before going live.
Broker is the only one which is grammatically correct.They are all words that can be adjectives or nouns, so why aren’t they correct?
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:Broker is the only one which is grammatically correct.
They are all words that can be adjectives or nouns, so why aren’t they correct?
What is a thinner?
A liquid added to a liquid to make it “thinner”.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:Broker is the only one which is grammatically correct.
They are all words that can be adjectives or nouns, so why aren’t they correct?
What is a thinner?
you add it to paint to ‘thin’ it out
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:They are all words that can be adjectives or nouns, so why aren’t they correct?
What is a thinner?A liquid added to a liquid to make it “thinner”.
or according to Bing:
noun
a volatile solvent used to make paint or other solutions less viscous:
“dampen a clean rag with thinners and carefully wipe any remaining dust from the timber”
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:They are all words that can be adjectives or nouns, so why aren’t they correct?
What is a thinner?A liquid added to a liquid to make it “thinner”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:What is a thinner?
A liquid added to a liquid to make it “thinner”.
or according to Bing:
noun
a volatile solvent used to make paint or other solutions less viscous:
“dampen a clean rag with thinners and carefully wipe any remaining dust from the timber”
So it would be OK to say my thinner is thinner than my wallet.
Correct but silly.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:A liquid added to a liquid to make it “thinner”.
or according to Bing:
noun
a volatile solvent used to make paint or other solutions less viscous:
“dampen a clean rag with thinners and carefully wipe any remaining dust from the timber”
So it would be OK to say my thinner is thinner than my wallet.
Correct but silly.
True :)
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:Broker is the only one which is grammatically correct.
They are all words that can be adjectives or nouns, so why aren’t they correct?
What is a thinner?
It is for example liquid used to reduce the viscosity of another liquid.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:or according to Bing:
noun
a volatile solvent used to make paint or other solutions less viscous:
“dampen a clean rag with thinners and carefully wipe any remaining dust from the timber”
So it would be OK to say my thinner is thinner than my wallet.
Correct but silly.
True :)
… but not as silly as:
My woker is woker than my wallet
Where a woker is a proponent or supporter of wokeism
according to Bing
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:So it would be OK to say my thinner is thinner than my wallet.
Correct but silly.
True :)
… but not as silly as:
My woker is woker than my walletWhere a woker is a proponent or supporter of wokeism
according to Bing
Wokermeister would be a welcome addition to the forum.
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:True :)
… but not as silly as:
My woker is woker than my walletWhere a woker is a proponent or supporter of wokeism
according to Bing
Wokermeister would be a welcome addition to the forum.
Bogsnorkler said:
C
Bogsnorkler said:
F,E,A,T,H,E,R,
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
C
Constrictor.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
C
my first thought but unlikely.
Bogsnorkler said:
First thing I thought was bloodtypes, so … AB
meaning
context
Bogsnorkler said:
As one who spent his teenage years living near Heathrow Airport, it can be nothing other than:
C
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
As one who spent his teenage years living near Heathrow Airport, it can be nothing other than:
C
Or Maybe S
Boron, Oxygen
Aluminium, Sulpher
Bogsnorkler said:
The fourth letter. It has been replaced with a question mark.
esselte said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The fourth letter. It has been replaced with a question mark.
I’m not playing, they don’t give answers BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED THAT THE MIGHT BE WRONG
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The fourth letter. It has been replaced with a question mark.
I’m not playing, they don’t give answers BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED THAT THE MIGHT BE WRONG
‘the” is wrong though!!!
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:The fourth letter. It has been replaced with a question mark.
I’m not playing, they don’t give answers BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED THAT THE MIGHT BE WRONG
‘the” is wrong though!!!
Yes, what was PWM thinking?
The question doesn’t even include the word “the”.
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
esselte said:The fourth letter. It has been replaced with a question mark.
I’m not playing, they don’t give answers BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED THAT THE MIGHT BE WRONG
‘the” is wrong though!!!
Yeah I noticed that but I thought I’d get away with it.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:I’m not playing, they don’t give answers BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED THAT THE MIGHT BE WRONG
‘the” is wrong though!!!
Yeah I noticed that but I thought I’d get away with it.
No way, champ.
JudgeMental said:
Heaven
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Heaven
I had no idea so I asked the Bingbot, and it said that dv got it right.
(could be several other words though).
JudgeMental said:
All of them.
JudgeMental said:
Unawares because all the others don’t begin with u.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Unawares because all the others don’t begin with u.
Fantastic. Last letter © is not in alphabetical order in the list.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Unawares because all the others don’t begin with u.
Fantastic. Last letter © is not in alphabetical order in the list.
Downswing is outstanding in proportional font.
JudgeMental said:
UNAWARES
All the others have a word at the beginning.
BALSA
CONVICT
DOWN
FANTA
SHOULD
I’m not gonna enter into any discussions.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Unawares because all the others don’t begin with u.
Fantastic. Last letter ( c ) is not in alphabetical order in the list.
Shoulders – the only plural.
JudgeMental said:
How could anyone be unawares of the answer to that one?
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
All of them.
Come now, surely there must be one that isn’t, than that is the one that is.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Unawares because all the others don’t begin with u.
Fantastic. Last letter © is not in alphabetical order in the list.
Downswing is outstanding in proportional font.
Also the only one that is composed of two equal length words, or two words of unequal length.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:Unawares because all the others don’t begin with u.
Fantastic. Last letter ( c ) is not in alphabetical order in the list.
Shoulders – the only plural.
Also the only one with two adjacent vowels.
And the only one with the same first and last letter.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
How could anyone be unawares of the answer to that one?
Yes, only adverb
JudgeMental said:
Downswing because it only has 2 vowels, all the others have 3.
PermeateFree said:
JudgeMental said:
Downswing because it only has 2 vowels, all the others have 3.
Sorry, unaware has 4 so don’t know.
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:
JudgeMental said:
Downswing because it only has 2 vowels, all the others have 3.
Sorry, unaware has 4 so don’t know.
Just change your explanation to “it’s the only one with 2 vowels”
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:Downswing because it only has 2 vowels, all the others have 3.
Sorry, unaware has 4 so don’t know.
Just change your explanation to “it’s the only one with 2 vowels”
But how is having 2 vowels odder than having 4 vowels?
The Rev Dodgson said:
buffy said:
PermeateFree said:
Sorry, unaware has 4 so don’t know.
Just change your explanation to “it’s the only one with 2 vowels”
But how is having 2 vowels odder than having 4 vowels?
Shoulders don’t have any slopes.
JudgeMental said:
Shoulders
It was Downswing that gave it away
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Shoulders
It was Downswing that gave it away
I suppose I should explain.
The rest contain abbreviations for Australian states
dv said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Shoulders
It was Downswing that gave it away
I suppose I should explain.
The rest contain abbreviations for Australian states
Thats one of many, but a good one none the less.
Bogsnorkler said:
Just the one, I suppose.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Just the one, I suppose.
Where are our other pedants this morning?
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Just the one, I suppose.
Where are our other pedants this morning?
I don’t think there is enough information to solve it definitively
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Concur.The Rev Dodgson said:I don’t think there is enough information to solve it definitivelyJust the one, I suppose.Where are our other pedants this morning?
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Just the one, I suppose.
Where are our other pedants this morning?
I don’t think there is enough information to solve it definitively
Maybe Roman is a clue?
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Just the one, I suppose.
Where are our other pedants this morning?
I don’t think there is enough information to solve it definitively
1005
nfi
kii said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Where are our other pedants this morning?
I don’t think there is enough information to solve it definitively
Maybe Roman is a clue?
9
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Just the one, I suppose.
Ya.. clue’s in kid’s name
Bogsnorkler said:
kii said:
Michael V said:I don’t think there is enough information to solve it definitively
Maybe Roman is a clue?
91
“one was eight” and they are now 9.
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
kii said:Maybe Roman is a clue?
91
“one was eight” and they are now 9.
or
1 based on ‘Roman’ numerals in spelling. fIVe = IV = 4, sIX = IX = 9, seVen = V = 5, eIght = I = 1, nIne = I = 1
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
91
“one was eight” and they are now 9.
or
1 based on ‘Roman’ numerals in spelling. fIVe = IV = 4, sIX = IX = 9, seVen = V = 5, eIght = I = 1, nIne = I = 1
Ah.
kii said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Where are our other pedants this morning?
I don’t think there is enough information to solve it definitively
Maybe Roman is a clue?
Indeed it is.
This concise and unambiguous answer is not in keeping with the ABC pedant teaser we know and love. For shame!
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:“one was eight” and they are now 9.
or
1 based on ‘Roman’ numerals in spelling. fIVe = IV = 4, sIX = IX = 9, seVen = V = 5, eIght = I = 1, nIne = I = 1
Ah.
But now we have that out of the way I can agree, the roman number thing might just be a coincidence, so we have no real information about how many 9 year olds there might be.
None, quite likely, since the greatest number are six, and kids tend to mix with others of their own age.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
or
1 based on ‘Roman’ numerals in spelling. fIVe = IV = 4, sIX = IX = 9, seVen = V = 5, eIght = I = 1, nIne = I = 1
Ah.
But now we have that out of the way I can agree, the roman number thing might just be a coincidence, so we have no real information about how many 9 year olds there might be.
None, quite likely, since the greatest number are six, and kids tend to mix with others of their own age.
So they’re normal kids eh¿
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:or
1 based on ‘Roman’ numerals in spelling. fIVe = IV = 4, sIX = IX = 9, seVen = V = 5, eIght = I = 1, nIne = I = 1
Ah.
But now we have that out of the way I can agree, the roman number thing might just be a coincidence, so we have no real information about how many 9 year olds there might be.
None, quite likely, since the greatest number are six, and kids tend to mix with others of their own age.
you could argue that the one who was eight is a guest and thus not roman the way it is worded.
They cant prove it.
Bogsnorkler said:
1
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
1
don’t come waltzing in here with the right answer and no pedanticisms!
Bogsnorkler said:
Watercress
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Watercress
No time for pedantics this morning.
I’ll just agree with Ian.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Watercress
No time for pedantics this morning.
I’ll just agree with Ian.
OOo.. I wouldn’t do that..
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:Watercress
No time for pedantics this morning.
I’ll just agree with Ian.
OOo.. I wouldn’t do that..
oil?
Bogsnorkler said:
I can say from experience that watercress is the only item mentioned that (after consumption) seriously and badly affects the taste of any kind of booze for hours afterwards, making it taste literally like stale wee-wee.
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I can say from experience that watercress is the only item mentioned that (after consumption) seriously and badly affects the taste of any kind of booze for hours afterwards, making it taste literally like stale wee-wee.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I can say from experience that watercress is the only item mentioned that (after consumption) seriously and badly affects the taste of any kind of booze for hours afterwards, making it taste literally like stale wee-wee.
Never having tasted stale wee wee I will have to take your word for it.
You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:I can say from experience that watercress is the only item mentioned that (after consumption) seriously and badly affects the taste of any kind of booze for hours afterwards, making it taste literally like stale wee-wee.
Never having tasted stale wee wee I will have to take your word for it.
You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:Never having tasted stale wee wee I will have to take your word for it.
You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.
Like asparagus?
No, asparagus is pleasant.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.Tamb said:Like asparagus?Never having tasted stale wee wee I will have to take your word for it.You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.
OCDC said:
Tamb said:Bubblecar said:I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.Like asparagus?
I’ve never experienced any of the so called asparagus stinks.
However, I only eat fresh picked asparagus.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:I can say from experience that watercress is the only item mentioned that (after consumption) seriously and badly affects the taste of any kind of booze for hours afterwards, making it taste literally like stale wee-wee.
Never having tasted stale wee wee I will have to take your word for it.
You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.
It’s always the alcohol with you isn’t it?
OCDC said:
Tamb said:Bubblecar said:I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.Like asparagus?
Asparagus contains a sulfur-containing compound called asparagusic acid, which is found exclusively in asparagus. When asparagus is digested, asparagusic acid gets broken down into sulfur-containing byproducts, which produce a sulfurous odor. This odor is similar to rotten cabbage. The ability to smell the metabolites of asparagus consumption varies among people and across populations. Some people don’t have the enzyme in their body or they don’t make enough of the enzyme that breaks asparagus down into the component that causes the smell.
Quote from wiki.
Tamb said:
OCDC said:
Tamb said:Like asparagus?I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.
Asparagus contains a sulfur-containing compound called asparagusic acid, which is found exclusively in asparagus. When asparagus is digested, asparagusic acid gets broken down into sulfur-containing byproducts, which produce a sulfurous odor. This odor is similar to rotten cabbage. The ability to smell the metabolites of asparagus consumption varies among people and across populations. Some people don’t have the enzyme in their body or they don’t make enough of the enzyme that breaks asparagus down into the component that causes the smell.
Quote from wiki.
I can’t smell the asparagus smell. I have a good mate who can, and it makes him want to vomit, it’s so strong and repulsive.
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
Tamb said:Like asparagus?I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.
I’ve never experienced any of the so called asparagus stinks.
However, I only eat fresh picked asparagus.
me too and home grown. straw and cow poo on the beds.
So like the formic acid thing cool.
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Watercress
Is this the same as last time?
Like… Watercress is the only one that has no roman numerals?
dv said:
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Watercress
Is this the same as last time?
Like… Watercress is the only one that has no roman numerals?
Plum is the only one that rhymes with bum.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Ian said:Watercress
Is this the same as last time?
Like… Watercress is the only one that has no roman numerals?
Plum is the only one that rhymes with bum.
Heh heh @ dv and bubblecar.
My answer is lollipop, as it is a manufactured item, the rest can be natural products.
A few people on ABC facebook reckon it is watercress, which uses letters from the left hand side of a keyboard, the other words use letters from the right hand side of the keyboard. A valid answer but I wouldn’t have thought of it!
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Ian said:
Watercress
Is this the same as last time?
Like… Watercress is the only one that has no roman numerals?
Plum is the only one that rhymes with bum.
misleading
ruby said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Is this the same as last time?
Like… Watercress is the only one that has no roman numerals?
Plum is the only one that rhymes with bum.
Heh heh @ dv and bubblecar.
My answer is lollipop, as it is a manufactured item, the rest can be natural products.
A few people on ABC facebook reckon it is watercress, which uses letters from the left hand side of a keyboard, the other words use letters from the right hand side of the keyboard. A valid answer but I wouldn’t have thought of it!
Neither Would Dvorak
ruby said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:Is this the same as last time?
Like… Watercress is the only one that has no roman numerals?
Plum is the only one that rhymes with bum.
Heh heh @ dv and bubblecar.
My answer is lollipop, as it is a manufactured item, the rest can be natural products.
A few people on ABC facebook reckon it is watercress, which uses letters from the left hand side of a keyboard, the other words use letters from the right hand side of the keyboard. A valid answer but I wouldn’t have thought of it!
watercress does not share any letters with any other word in the list.
Michael V said:
ruby said:
Bubblecar said:
Plum is the only one that rhymes with bum.
Heh heh @ dv and bubblecar.
My answer is lollipop, as it is a manufactured item, the rest can be natural products.
A few people on ABC facebook reckon it is watercress, which uses letters from the left hand side of a keyboard, the other words use letters from the right hand side of the keyboard. A valid answer but I wouldn’t have thought of it!
watercress does not share any letters with any other word in the list.
We suppose they’re the same reason with different levels of specificity.
Michael V said:
ruby said:
Bubblecar said:Plum is the only one that rhymes with bum.
Heh heh @ dv and bubblecar.
My answer is lollipop, as it is a manufactured item, the rest can be natural products.
A few people on ABC facebook reckon it is watercress, which uses letters from the left hand side of a keyboard, the other words use letters from the right hand side of the keyboard. A valid answer but I wouldn’t have thought of it!
watercress does not share any letters with any other word in the list.
Well done! You win the Gina Rinehart portrait.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:
ruby said:Heh heh @ dv and bubblecar.
My answer is lollipop, as it is a manufactured item, the rest can be natural products.
A few people on ABC facebook reckon it is watercress, which uses letters from the left hand side of a keyboard, the other words use letters from the right hand side of the keyboard. A valid answer but I wouldn’t have thought of it!
watercress does not share any letters with any other word in the list.
Well done! You win the Gina Rinehart portrait.
That is something I wouldn’t give houseroom to.
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:watercress does not share any letters with any other word in the list.
Well done! You win the Gina Rinehart portrait.
And so a new forum tradition is born…..
OCDC said:
Tamb said:Bubblecar said:I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.You’ve surely smelt it though. It’s that kind of taste, due to some chemical in the watercress that lingers in your system and reacts with alcohol.Like asparagus?
I can smell it, and quite soon after consumption, if I’ve eaten fresh asparagus. I don’t think I ever noticed it from eating tinned asparagus, but I haven’t eaten them for a long time. Perhaps there is an experiment that needs doing.
I suppose that keyboard thing is most convincing, though some of us arrived at watercress by other routes.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Michael V said:watercress does not share any letters with any other word in the list.
Well done! You win the Gina Rinehart portrait.
That is something I wouldn’t give houseroom to.
I don’t think any of his portraits could really be classified as kind.
buffy said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:Well done! You win the Gina Rinehart portrait.
That is something I wouldn’t give houseroom to.
I don’t think any of his portraits could really be classified as kind.
I feel like she looks sometimes :D
dv said:
I suppose that keyboard thing is most convincing, though some of us arrived at watercress by other routes.
… such as it is the only one that doesn’t have a vowel as the middle letter, or one of the middle pair.
Tamb said:
OCDC said:
Tamb said:Like asparagus?I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.
Asparagus contains a sulfur-containing compound called asparagusic acid, which is found exclusively in asparagus. When asparagus is digested, asparagusic acid gets broken down into sulfur-containing byproducts, which produce a sulfurous odor. This odor is similar to rotten cabbage. The ability to smell the metabolites of asparagus consumption varies among people and across populations. Some people don’t have the enzyme in their body or they don’t make enough of the enzyme that breaks asparagus down into the component that causes the smell.
Quote from wiki.
I probably don’t eat enough of the stuff to make a smell?
Only eat it when my small patch is sending up shoots and I often eat it raw and uncooked. Though I do cook it as well.
However I do give about half of it away to others.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:
I had asparagus yesterday. I either don’t make or can’t smell the smell or both of the above.
I’ve never experienced any of the so called asparagus stinks.
However, I only eat fresh picked asparagus.
me too and home grown. straw and cow poo on the beds.
Surprisingly similar here. All homegrown with cow poo.
JudgeMental said:
10
JudgeMental said:
10%
JudgeMental said:
I think it is 10
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
I think it is 10
So we’re all agreed?
That’s no good.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
I think it is 10
So we’re all agreed?
That’s no good.
Apparently unscientific to do that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
I think it is 10
So we’re all agreed?
That’s no good.
Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:I think it is 10
So we’re all agreed?
That’s no good.
Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
dv said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So we’re all agreed?
That’s no good.
Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
I added up the % that didn’t have each colour and subtracted from 100.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
I added up the % that didn’t have each colour and subtracted from 100.
I just copied what others had said.
dv said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So we’re all agreed?
That’s no good.
Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
Where did the 300 come from?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
I added up the % that didn’t have each colour and subtracted from 100.
I think I understand. Thanks.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
I added up the % that didn’t have each colour and subtracted from 100.
We just did 70 + 75 + 80 + 85 – 300 which we suppose equals 100 – (100 – 70 + 100 – 75 + 200 – 80 + 100 – 85).
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
Where did the 300 come from?
Sparta
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
Where did the 300 come from?
Well, each additional colour means you subtract 100 to find the minimum intersection set.
Like to take the first pair, if one is 70% and the other is 75%, the minum intersection set is 70% + 75% – 100% = 45%.
Then you’re going to repeat that two more times so it is the same as adding them all up and subtracting 300%.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
I added up the % that didn’t have each colour and subtracted from 100.
I just copied what others had said.
My alternative answer is that only the wayward minority with long hair and body piercings fail to satisfy the requirement to have all the colours, so at least 70% do.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Could somebody explain to me how that 10% is calculated, please?
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
Where did the 300 come from?
He made it up.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I added up the % that didn’t have each colour and subtracted from 100.
I just copied what others had said.
My alternative answer is that only the wayward minority with long hair and body piercings fail to satisfy the requirement to have all the colours, so at least 70% do.
Wow. That’s pretty close to the alternative I was looking at.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
For me I added them all up and subtracted 300.
Where did the 300 come from?
He made it up.
We had simpler, we just figured that you add up the number of pens and spread them out over the 100 students as thinly as possible and that leaves you with 10 for which the thickness is 4.
dv said:
Playing chess.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Playing chess.
You’ve played knifey spoony before
dv said:
annoying the cat.
dv said:
Supervising.
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Playing chess.
You’ve played knifey spoony before
It’s a gift.
dv said:
Helping Marie with the laundry and moaning about sister Kate who thinks it OK to paly chess on her computer whilst there is work to be done.
JudgeMental said:
40km/h
JudgeMental said:
1 km/h
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
1 km/h
Can do better.
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
I don’t think we will.have much scope for argument.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:Hello dv, and welcome to the holiday forum.40 km/h
I don’t think we will.have much scope for argument.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
I don’t think we will.have much scope for argument.
Rev: Hold my beer.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
I don’t think we will.have much scope for argument.
Wait till Kingy gets here :)
JudgeMental said:
OCDC said:
dv said:
Hello dv, and welcome to the holiday forum.JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
40km/h
1 km/h
Can do better.
I don’t think we will.have much scope for argument.
Rev: Hold my beer.
Exactly, it’s quitter talk.
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
1 km/h
Can do better.
Bull, our answer is the best and most correct.
Fred leaves home at 0630 and drives 9 km along side routes to visit a friend, at an average speed of 30 km/h.
Fred arrives at 0648 and chills with his friend for 16 hours and 04 minutes.
It’s now late at night and there’s no other traffic.
Fred says goodbye at 2252 but takes 30 seconds to get in the car and ready to drive.
Fred then drives the more direct but usually gridlocked 7.5 km home at an average speed of 60 km/h.
Fred arrives home at 2300 for a total round trip time of 16.5 hours, in which he travelled 16.5 km.
His average speed for the round trip was 1 km/h.
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
1 km/h
Can do better.
Bull, our answer is the best and most correct.
Fred leaves home at 0630 and drives 9 km along side routes to visit a friend, at an average speed of 30 km/h.
Fred arrives at 0648 and chills with his friend for 16 hours and 04 minutes.
It’s now late at night and there’s no other traffic.
Fred says goodbye at 2252 but takes 30 seconds to get in the car and ready to drive.
Fred then drives the more direct but usually gridlocked 7.5 km home at an average speed of 60 km/h.
Fred arrives home at 2300 for a total round trip time of 16.5 hours, in which he travelled 16.5 km.
His average speed for the round trip was 1 km/h.
LOL – points for effort :)
JudgeMental said:
I don’t care. I don’t like Fred.
Why didn’t he stay home? It’s always good to stay home.
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:
1 km/h
Can do better.
Bull, our answer is the best and most correct.
Fred leaves home at 0630 and drives 9 km along side routes to visit a friend, at an average speed of 30 km/h.
Fred arrives at 0648 and chills with his friend for 16 hours and 04 minutes.
It’s now late at night and there’s no other traffic.
Fred says goodbye at 2252 but takes 30 seconds to get in the car and ready to drive.
Fred then drives the more direct but usually gridlocked 7.5 km home at an average speed of 60 km/h.
Fred arrives home at 2300 for a total round trip time of 16.5 hours, in which he travelled 16.5 km.
His average speed for the round trip was 1 km/h.
Principal: Hello young man. You’ve been sent to see me because you are a smartarse. Care to explain yourself?
We mean it doesn’t even say if the round trip was all in 1 day…
one for all the maths gurus.
JudgeMental said:
one for all the maths gurus.
That’s too easy.
Here’s my NS teaser that I’ve been pondering all week, and managed to solve in my sleep last night, just before receiving the answer this morning.
How do you assign the numbers 0-9 to the letters A-J to minimise the absolute value of:
(ABC x DE) – (FGH x IJ)?
Hint: There are many different answers, all giving the same minimum value.
JudgeMental said:
one for all the maths gurus.
99+9/9
JudgeMental said:
one for all the maths gurus.
but anyway, what’s so special about the 9’s.
Every number should have the right to an extra maths symbol if they want one.
99/99 = 1.00
OCDC said:
Suva, Helsinki or Paris
19 shillings said:
OCDC said:
Suva, Helsinki or Paris
Can’t argue with that.
Or indeed anything else suggested.
I’ll have a think about it
OK, just got it :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
19 shillings said:
OCDC said:
Suva, Helsinki or Paris
Can’t argue with that.
Or indeed anything else suggested.
I’ll have a think about it
OK, just got it :)
Ah. I geddit.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
19 shillings said:Suva, Helsinki or Paris
Can’t argue with that.
Or indeed anything else suggested.
I’ll have a think about it
OK, just got it :)
Beirut
Beirut was my guess.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Can’t argue with that.
Or indeed anything else suggested.
I’ll have a think about it
OK, just got it :)
BeirutBeirut was my guess.
What’s the reasoning for that one?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:Beirut
Beirut was my guess.
What’s the reasoning for that one?
Not sure if I reasoned about it much. It just seemed to fit.
OCDC said:
Helsinki?
dv said:
OCDC said:
Helsinki?
I’m going for Paris
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
OCDC said:
Helsinki?
I’m going for Paris
All answers are acceptable when they put could in question.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Helsinki?
I’m going for Paris
All answers are acceptable when they put could in question.
Good point.
I’m switching my answer to “apples”.
JudgeMental said:
Gotta be 1 right?
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Gotta be 1 right?
What’s left?
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Gotta be 1 right?
1 to 1000
… I just wrote it out as instructed, and I get 2 ones and 3 zeros, so I’m going for zero.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Gotta be 1 right?
1 to 1000
… I just wrote it out as instructed, and I get 2 ones and 3 zeros, so I’m going for zero.
:)
1, surely…
0 = 192x
1 = 301x
2 to 9 = 300x
JudgeMental said:
Dormitory
Two plus eleven
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Dormitory
Two plus eleven
I’ll leave the 3rd one as an exercise for the rest of you, not because I can’t work it out.
dv said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Dormitory
Two plus eleven
I’ll leave the 3rd one as an exercise for the rest of you, not because I can’t work it out.
Decimal point.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Dormitory
Two plus eleven
and Decimal point
Got Two plus eleven but not Dormitory.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Dormitory
Two plus eleven
and Decimal point
Got Two plus eleven but not Dormitory.
… and what’s more suggesting that a dormitory is likely to be dirty is an insult to hard working cleaners that should not be tolerated.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Dormitory
Two plus eleven
and Decimal point
Got Two plus eleven but not Dormitory.
… and what’s more suggesting that a dormitory is likely to be dirty is an insult to hard working cleaners that should not be tolerated.
might be an engineering student dorm and the cleaners have just given up.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:and Decimal point
Got Two plus eleven but not Dormitory.
… and what’s more suggesting that a dormitory is likely to be dirty is an insult to hard working cleaners that should not be tolerated.
might be an engineering student dorm and the cleaners have just given up.
Can’t comment on that.
By my uni student days we had separate rooms.
JudgeMental said:
I’m going to go with “synonymic anagrams”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:… and what’s more suggesting that a dormitory is likely to be dirty is an insult to hard working cleaners that should not be tolerated.
might be an engineering student dorm and the cleaners have just given up.
Can’t comment on that.
By my uni student days we had separate rooms.
For those of a wandering kind, the moors are their room, so I’m going for dirty moor for the first one.
esselte said:
JudgeMental said:
I’m going to go with “synonymic anagrams”.
Can’t argue with that :)
esselte said:
JudgeMental said:
I’m going to go with “synonymic anagrams”.
Synanagram
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/synanagram
An anagram that is also a synonym (or near-synonym); a synonymous anagram.
JudgeMental said:
Anagrams.
The Rev Dodgson said:
esselte said:
JudgeMental said:
I’m going to go with “synonymic anagrams”.
Can’t argue with that :)
Wasn’t going to.
Beat me to it. That’ll learn me to do stuff other than foruming.
OCDC said:
Beat me to it. That’ll learn me to do stuff other than foruming.
It is not a race.. :)
First is dormitory.
The ABC must think we don’t remember…, they must think we-re stupid. How many cents a day is this costing me again?
esselte said:
The ABC must think we don’t remember…, they must think we-re stupid. How many cents a day is this costing me again?
The first is enraged.
DORMITORY
ELEVEN PLUS TWO
ONE DIM CAPITAL
Bubblecar said:
DORMITORY
ELEVEN PLUS TWO
ONE DIM CAPITAL
Last one is unlikely but I’m sick of looking at it since I’m still recovering from heart trouble.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
DORMITORY
ELEVEN PLUS TWO
ONE DIM CAPITAL
Last one is unlikely but I’m sick of looking at it since I’m still recovering from heart trouble.
Au contraire.
Alternatives to the boring accepted answers are just what we are looking for.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
DORMITORY
ELEVEN PLUS TWO
ONE DIM CAPITAL
Last one is unlikely but I’m sick of looking at it since I’m still recovering from heart trouble.
Au contraire.
Alternatives to the boring accepted answers are just what we are looking for.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
DORMITORY
ELEVEN PLUS TWO
ONE DIM CAPITAL
Last one is unlikely but I’m sick of looking at it since I’m still recovering from heart trouble.
Au contraire.
Alternatives to the boring accepted answers are just what we are looking for.
Rim Tory Do?
Well up to seven?
Implicate Don?
Dim Tory Or Dirty Room
JudgeMental said:
Lollies.
JudgeMental said:
Friday.
JudgeMental said:
I dunno.
Pigeon pie maybe?
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Friday.
Man Friday?
JudgeMental said:
Nothing. Don’t do Halloween
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:Yes we do. We curmudgeonly say that we don’t do Halloween.Nothing. Don’t do Halloween
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
Nothing. Don’t do Halloween
Same here.
but they still knock on my door expecting me to have a stock of lollies.
OCDC said:
Ian said:JudgeMental said:Yes we do. We curmudgeonly say that we don’t do Halloween.Nothing. Don’t do Halloween
Then I’m a curmudgeon.
JudgeMental said:
nfi
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
Nothing. Don’t do Halloween
Same here.
but they still knock on my door expecting me to have a stock of lollies.
In this village, if you want to be part of the Halloween stuff, you tie a balloon onto the front gate. No balloon = don’t come in.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
Lollies.
Gold star issued.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
nfi
The more important question is why do they eat all that other stuff on those days?
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
Lollies.
Gold star issued.
Ta. :)
JudgeMental said:
Fried scorpion.
kii said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
nfi
The more important question is why do they eat all that other stuff on those days?
I thought of the fish without a bicycle graffiti for the International Women’s Day, but I don’t know any graffiti for the other days.
Well, at least this one is challenging, unless the answer is candy, in which case these people are going to gaol.
Just had a look on facebook and I agree with OCDC.
I mean I know it’s supposed to be a brain teaser, but it’s also supposed to come from ABC Science.
dv said:
Well, at least this one is challenging, unless the answer is candy, in which case these people are going to gaol.
It’s not candy, but I think my answer is better than the most accepted one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Well, at least this one is challenging, unless the answer is candy, in which case these people are going to gaol.
It’s not candy, but I think my answer is better than the most accepted one.
Well what is the “correct” answer?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Well, at least this one is challenging, unless the answer is candy, in which case these people are going to gaol.
It’s not candy, but I think my answer is better than the most accepted one.
Well what is the “correct” answer?
As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It’s not candy, but I think my answer is better than the most accepted one.
Well what is the “correct” answer?
As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
Proud not to have got that one
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well what is the “correct” answer?
As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
Proud not to have got that one
I mean at least pigeon pie is something that people actually eat, and is made from an animal that occupies the air, since land, sea and in between were already taken.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
Proud not to have got that one
I mean at least pigeon pie is something that people actually eat, and is made from an animal that occupies the air, since land, sea and in between were already taken.
so what do they eat on thankgiving?
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Proud not to have got that one
I mean at least pigeon pie is something that people actually eat, and is made from an animal that occupies the air, since land, sea and in between were already taken.
so what do they eat on thankgiving?
Something made of moles or worms, I suppose.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well what is the “correct” answer?
As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
Proud not to have got that one
I had nfi. Heard it on the electric wireless.
Ian said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
Proud not to have got that one
I had nfi. Heard it on the electric wireless.
Also an unwelcome reminder that astrology is still a thing
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It’s not candy, but I think my answer is better than the most accepted one.
Well what is the “correct” answer?
As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
oRnable.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well what is the “correct” answer?
As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
Proud not to have got that one
ditto.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well what is the “correct” answer?
As Ian said, based on star signs, so scorpion for Halloween
oRnable.
Buggered if I know what hapened there but I think it probably could have worked anyway.
https://youtu.be/ptPg6qCwX9M?si=n0D2Q-qm1y4Tm4DS
Idek where these come from but we are due one, right?
dv said:
Idek where these come from but we are due one, right?
Ok Ok i only have one pair of hands!
JudgeMental said:
101?
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
101?
i would agree.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
101?
i would agree.
I have to concur, but the fact they wrote the numeral one that way makes me feel uncomfortable with this solution.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
101?
i would agree.
Not the wat they have written the ones.
diddly-squat said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:101?
i would agree.
I have to concur, but the fact they wrote the numeral one that way makes me feel uncomfortable with this solution.
Those 8s are also not rotationally symmetrical.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:101?
i would agree.
Not the wat they have written the ones.
Diddly was on to them first.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:i would agree.
Not the wat they have written the ones.
Diddly was on to them first.
… and if they are going to be so free and easy with the 1’s, they should have included 2, 5, 22 and 55.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:Not the wat they have written the ones.
Diddly was on to them first.
… and if they are going to be so free and easy with the 1’s, they should have included 2, 5, 22 and 55.
one pedantic item a day must suffice.
It’s a dandy scrace
ChrispenEvan said:
Telephone – three Es. The other words have two Es.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Telephone – three Es. The other words have two Es.
Overweight – the only word with a V
Overweight – the only word with a W.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Telephone – three Es. The other words have two Es.
Overweight – the only word with a V
Overweight – the only word with a W.
Tentative – the only word with three Ts,
Feminine – the only word with two Is.
And so many more things. Gs, Fs, Os, Ms, etc…
ChrispenEvan said:
Could be any of them, but telephone seems to have the most odd features.
If I kept looking I’m sure I’d find 8,9 or 10 of them.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Telephone – three Es. The other words have two Es.
Overweight – the only word with a V
Overweight – the only word with a W.
Tentative – the only word with three Ts,
Feminine – the only word with two Is.
And so many more things. Gs, Fs, Os, Ms, etc…
Did we get the answer to this?
dv said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Overweight – the only word with a V
Overweight – the only word with a W.
Tentative – the only word with three Ts,
Feminine – the only word with two Is.
And so many more things. Gs, Fs, Os, Ms, etc…
Did we get the answer to this?
You mean, ‘feminine’ is the only English wordwith three Is?
That would be idiotic.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
Tentative – the only word with three Ts,
Feminine – the only word with two Is.
And so many more things. Gs, Fs, Os, Ms, etc…
Did we get the answer to this?
You mean, ‘feminine’ is the only English wordwith three Is?
That would be idiotic.
inspirational
threonine is so called because it has 3 O and 9 H atoms
Overweight innit
dv said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Overweight – the only word with a V
Overweight – the only word with a W.
Tentative – the only word with three Ts,
Feminine – the only word with two Is.
And so many more things. Gs, Fs, Os, Ms, etc…
Did we get the answer to this?
I might be late to the party, but all of those words have a number at the start or the end.
That should be enough of a hint.
Kingy said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Tentative – the only word with three Ts,
Feminine – the only word with two Is.
And so many more things. Gs, Fs, Os, Ms, etc…
Did we get the answer to this?
I might be late to the party, but all of those words have a number at the start or the end.
That should be enough of a hint.
OTOH, 3 of the numbers are in sequence, so one isn’t.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
dv said:Did we get the answer to this?
I might be late to the party, but all of those words have a number at the start or the end.
That should be enough of a hint.
OTOH, 3 of the
Worst pedantic thread ever
19 shillings said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
dv said:Did we get the answer to this?
I might be late to the party, but all of those words have a number at the start or the end.
That should be enough of a hint.
OTOH, 3 of the
Worst pedantic thread ever
What are you being pedantic about now?
The Rev Dodgson said:
19 shillings said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I might be late to the party, but all of those words have a number at the start or the end.
That should be enough of a hint.
OTOH, 3 of the
Worst pedantic thread ever
What are you being pedantic about now?
Certainly not proper quoting.
So it’s tentative.
Yeah okay.
dv said:
So it’s tentative.Yeah okay.
I am happy to disagree. That is not the one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So it’s tentative.Yeah okay.
I am happy to disagree. That is not the one.
Is there an official answer?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So it’s tentative.Yeah okay.
I am happy to disagree. That is not the one.
Is there an official answer?
Other than mine you mean?
Don’t know.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
So it’s tentative.Yeah okay.
I am happy to disagree. That is not the one.
Is there an official answer?
Fairly sure that was the official answer. Facebook seems to be down ATM.
Kingy said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I am happy to disagree. That is not the one.
Is there an official answer?
Fairly sure that was the official answer. Facebook seems to be down ATM.
Yep, official answer from ABC Science below.
—————-
Ten, ten, tens, across the board!
.
.
.
.
.
The answer is TENTATIVE as its the only word starting with a number while the rest end with one.
Kingy said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
Is there an official answer?
Fairly sure that was the official answer. Facebook seems to be down ATM.
Yep, official answer from ABC Science below.
—————-
Ten, ten, tens, across the board!
.
.
.
.
.
The answer is TENTATIVE as its the only word starting with a number while the rest end with one.
no they don’t only one of them does
SCIENCE said:
Kingy said:
Kingy said:
Fairly sure that was the official answer. Facebook seems to be down ATM.
Yep, official answer from ABC Science below.
—————-
Ten, ten, tens, across the board!
.
.
.
.
.
The answer is TENTATIVE as its the only word starting with a number while the rest end with one.
no they don’t only one of them does
As we all know, we should not debate matters of taste, but it seems to me that three of the numbers being in sequence is more significant than three of the numbers being at the end of the word.
OK, let’s settle this for once and for all.
It could be TELEPHONE, because that is the only one with a number not in sequence with the others.
Or it could be TENTATIVE because that is the only one with the number at the start.
Or it could be OVERWEIGHT because that is the only one ending in a letter other than E.
So the indisputable answer is:
FEMINININE
because that is the only one it couldn’t be.
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, let’s settle this for once and for all.It could be TELEPHONE, because that is the only one with a number not in sequence with the others.
Or it could be TENTATIVE because that is the only one with the number at the start.
Or it could be OVERWEIGHT because that is the only one ending in a letter other than E.
So the indisputable answer is:
FEMINININE
because that is the only one it couldn’t be.
plus it is the only word you won’t find in a dictionary.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, let’s settle this for once and for all.It could be TELEPHONE, because that is the only one with a number not in sequence with the others.
Or it could be TENTATIVE because that is the only one with the number at the start.
Or it could be OVERWEIGHT because that is the only one ending in a letter other than E.
So the indisputable answer is:
FEMINININE
because that is the only one it couldn’t be.
plus it is the only word you won’t find in a dictionary.
True,
although the actual word they used was FEMININE.
If it had been FEMINININE then it wouldn’t be the only one it couldn’t be, so it wouldn’t be the answer.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, let’s settle this for once and for all.It could be TELEPHONE, because that is the only one with a number not in sequence with the others.
Or it could be TENTATIVE because that is the only one with the number at the start.
Or it could be OVERWEIGHT because that is the only one ending in a letter other than E.
So the indisputable answer is:
FEMINININE
because that is the only one it couldn’t be.
plus it is the only word you won’t find in a dictionary.
True,
although the actual word they used was FEMININE.
If it had been FEMINININE then it wouldn’t be the only one it couldn’t be, so it wouldn’t be the answer.
The correct answer is TENTAFIVE
evolution
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:plus it is the only word you won’t find in a dictionary.
True,
although the actual word they used was FEMININE.
If it had been FEMINININE then it wouldn’t be the only one it couldn’t be, so it wouldn’t be the answer.
The correct answer is TENTAFIVE
now we’re getting silly.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
Did we get the answer to this?
You mean, ‘feminine’ is the only English wordwith three Is?
That would be idiotic.
inspirational
threonine is so called because it has 3 O and 9 H atoms
True,
although the actual word they used was FEMININE.
If it had been FEMINININE then it wouldn’t be the only one it couldn’t be, so it wouldn’t be the answer.
The correct answer is TENTAFIVE
now we’re getting silly.
tenofovir is so called because it has 10 O and 1 P atoms
Hint: spherical balloon in a vacuum in the dark; π=5
ChrispenEvan said:
The balloon will move forwards.
And when turning left, it’ll also move left.
Spiny Norman said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The balloon will move forwards.
And when turning left, it’ll also move left.
Yes. And not only do I know why this occurs, but I’ve also seen it in real life. Also, even if you know why this occurs, it still looks weird.
ChrispenEvan said:
This one is an old old teaser.
The video explains why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mzDvpKzfY
ChrispenEvan said:
Not really a brain teaser, although possibly counter-intuitive I guess.
Forwards and to the left.
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
This one is an old old teaser.
The video explains why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mzDvpKzfY
Yes, I’m sure we have discussed it at length in this very forum, in the distant past.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
ChrispenEvan said:
This one is an old old teaser.
The video explains why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mzDvpKzfY
Yes, I’m sure we have discussed it at length in this very forum, in the distant past.
So, what’s the pedant’s exception?
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:This one is an old old teaser.
The video explains why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mzDvpKzfY
Yes, I’m sure we have discussed it at length in this very forum, in the distant past.
So, what’s the pedant’s exception?
In the alternative universe where hydrogen is heavier than air, the balloon will roll along the floor backwards and to the right.
ours is a vacuum van
SCIENCE said:
ours is a vacuum van
Then the balloons will surely explode before you start.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ours is a vacuum van
Then the balloons will surely explode before you start.
Nah we only fill them to 1 Pa.
More a physics question than brain teaser, but completely straightforward
ChrispenEvan said:
Forwards
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yes, I’m sure we have discussed it at length in this very forum, in the distant past.
So, what’s the pedant’s exception?
In the alternative universe where hydrogen is heavier than air, the balloon will roll along the floor backwards and to the right.
Alternative universe alternative universe alternative universse alternative universes alternative universe’s s.
D’y‘rkon?
Reellly?
dv said:
More a physics question than brain teaser, but completely straightforward
until they turn left
Spiny Norman said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The balloon will move forwards.
And when turning left, it’ll also move left.
Yes.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ours is a vacuum van
Then the balloons will surely explode before you start.
Nah we only fill them to 1 Pa.
Fair enough then.
Although in that case they would also roll or slide across the floor towards the back even if the van was full of air at normal pressure.
dv said:
More a physics question than brain teaser, but completely straightforward
Well we’re doing our best, dammit.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Then the balloons will surely explode before you start.
Nah we only fill them to 1 Pa.
Fair enough then.
Although in that case they would also roll or slide across the floor towards the back even if the van was full of air at normal pressure.
Anyway there wasn’t really accounting for the skin of the balloon so our depleted uranium foil skinned well filled helium balloons were rolling around on the floor in normal atmosphere too.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ours is a vacuum van
Then the balloons will surely explode before you start.
Nah we only fill them to 1 Pa.
Like this: 
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Nah we only fill them to 1 Pa.
Fair enough then.
Although in that case they would also roll or slide across the floor towards the back even if the van was full of air at normal pressure.
Anyway there wasn’t really accounting for the skin of the balloon so our depleted uranium foil skinned well filled helium balloons were rolling around on the floor in normal atmosphere too.
Well I hope dv is feeling pretty silly for his “straightforward” remark now :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Fair enough then.
Although in that case they would also roll or slide across the floor towards the back even if the van was full of air at normal pressure.
Anyway there wasn’t really accounting for the skin of the balloon so our depleted uranium foil skinned well filled helium balloons were rolling around on the floor in normal atmosphere too.
Well I hope dv is feeling pretty silly for his “straightforward” remark now :)
From: dave 5/07/2004 3:16:55 AM
Subject: helium balloons post id: 1155989
whilst taking a drive one day with a helium balloon in my car, as you would expect, firmly gripping the roof, I noticed a strange thing. As I accelerated, every loose object in the car rushes towards the boot…..except the balloon, which shot forward and clung to the windscreen. The opposite happened when braking. And, as you may have guessed, when making a sharp left turn…you guessed it, straight toward the passenger side window.
My question is this, is it only the minute changes in air pressure that cause this breaking of gravitational law, or are we experiencing some other kind of phenomenon, perhaps even related to the Searle Effect? Also, would a box dropped out of a plane with a helium balloon in it have the same effect due to gravitational acceleration? Have we stumbled apon some new theory whereby helium (and other L-T-A gasses) produces an opposite gravitational responce to any force applied to it? Could this principal have inertial dampening applications, and is this somehow related to the atom’s structure?
From: Jezery ® 5/07/2004 10:49:48 AM
Subject: re: helium balloons post id: 1156103
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From: Martin Smith (Avatar) 5/07/2004 11:01:26 AM
Subject: re: helium balloons post id: 1156126
There isn’t any breaking of gravitional law going on.
get a half full drink bottle – accelerate it forward. The more dense liquid rushes to the back of the bottle and the less dense air gets pushed forward top the front of the bottle.
Same thing here. When there is an acceleration the more dense gas to the back the less dense gas to the front.
MS
From: Philip ® 5/07/2004 11:02:13 AM
Subject: re: helium balloons post id: 1156127
This will be in the archives somewhere but to save you the trouble of looking I’ll try to remember how it all works.
1. The helium balloon is lighter than air.
2. When the car accelerates it also accelerates all the air inside it, but to do that it has to push that air. The air is pushed forwards by the back of the cabin pushing it forwards. Let’s refer to that effect as the back window of the car pushing the air forwards. Got that?
3. Essentially the weight of the air moves towards the back of the car as the back window “scoops up” the air to move it forward. The back window is acting as the ground would if we were dealing with a vertical operation. The air in the car is “falling” to the ground because the “gravity” acting on the air has suddenly increased in the backwards direction.
4. Back to the balloon being lighter than the air. This backwards gravity force pulling the air backwards has less effect on the balloon than on the air because the balloon is lighter. Just as the gravity pulling the air to earth has less effect on the balloon than on the air.
5. All that air banking up against the back window pushes the balloon out of its way. As the air collects at the back during the acceleration, the balloon, to get out of the way, can only move forwards.
Does that all make sense? Others will correct the bits I got wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s similar to the description we got last time, though this version may be rather longer.
From: Philip ® 5/07/2004 11:03:11 AM
Subject: re: helium balloons post id: 1156129
Yeah, see? Mine was rather long and round-about.
From: Supeito ® 5/07/2004 8:07:32 PM
Subject: re: helium balloons post id: 1157208
When I see kids with helium balloons I want to tell them to watch what they do in a car. I wonder how many have noticed. The brake handle is one of the few things handy to tie the string to.
You can think of the balloon as full of “nothing”. Air is heavy, and sloshes around, leaving the balloon behind.
The stream of hot air from the car heater does the same thing: swinging in on the corners.
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If you want to ruin this you could suggest that the helium balloon vehicle is being driven on a planet with no atmosphere, or one with a hydrogen atmosphere, such that the balloon is not buoyant.
dv said:
If you want to ruin this you could suggest that the helium balloon vehicle is being driven on a planet with no atmosphere, or one with a hydrogen atmosphere, such that the balloon is not buoyant.
JudgeMental said:
If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
or Rita could seek help for her drug dependency.
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
Or just take half of each pill…
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
+1
furious said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
Or just take half of each pill…
Hmmm.
I suppose some might see that as being a better answer.
furious said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
Or just take half of each pill…
+1
Bubblecar said:
furious said:
furious said:There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
Or just take half of each pill…
+1
The +1 is totally unnecessary, and if she only started with10 of each there wouldn’t be an extra one available anyway.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
furious said:Or just take half of each pill…
+1
The +1 is totally unnecessary, and if she only started with10 of each there wouldn’t be an extra one available anyway.
Heh.
pro tip – take all the pills on Monday then you don’t have to worry about remembering them for the rest of the week.
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
That’s a good answer, I’ll go with that.
dv said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:If she has taken only 10 pills in each bottle she could take any one from the three + the last from bottle B on Day 9, then the last two on day 10, and she would be back on track.
Or if she has taken at least 12 in each bottle, as any sensible person would, she can just throw the mixed three away.
Or if she wants to be pedantic she could take the 3 mixed pills + 1 from bottle B exactly at midnight on day 9/10.
There’s four total pills left. Grind them up, mix them together, take half one day, the rest the next…
That’s a good answer, I’ll go with that.
Assuming you mean any one of those four is a good answer, thanks, but I have to concede that the follow up answer from furious was better still.
JudgeMental said:
the sponsors
JudgeMental said:
I had a Zundapp Bella in 1971.
Arts said:
JudgeMental said:
the sponsors
In the end, it’s sport that’s the winner.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
I had a Zundapp Bella in 1971.
so did my dad but in the early 60s.
but when do they go at the same speeds
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
I had a Zundapp Bella in 1971.
so did my dad but in the early 60s.
Well there you go.
Mine was made in 1956. Electric-start-only 200 cc.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:I had a Zundapp Bella in 1971.
so did my dad but in the early 60s.
Well there you go.
Mine was made in 1956. Electric-start-only 200 cc.
dad’s was turquoise.
JudgeMental said:
Bella, by 1m.
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:so did my dad but in the early 60s.
Well there you go.
Mine was made in 1956. Electric-start-only 200 cc.
dad’s was turquoise.
Mine was green, but I painted it bright orange.
Dark Orange said:
JudgeMental said:
Bella, by 1m.
Obviously if they go at exactly the same speeds, they stay 10m apart for the whole race; since Bella started 10m behind Alice, Alice must win by 10m.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:Well there you go.
Mine was made in 1956. Electric-start-only 200 cc.
dad’s was turquoise.
Mine was green, but I painted it bright orange.
Bloody two bob lair.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:dad’s was turquoise.
Mine was green, but I painted it bright orange.
Bloody two bob lair.
JudgeMental said:
Obviously if they run at exactly the same speed in the second race Alice will win because she has 10 m less to run.
If they meant that each runs at the same speed as they did in the first race, then Bella will catch up with Alice when they are both 10 m from the finish. Who wins obviously depends on who is faster over the final 10 metres, but we don’t have any information about that, so it could be either.
btm said:
Dark Orange said:
JudgeMental said:
Bella, by 1m.
Obviously if they go at exactly the same speeds, they stay 10m apart for the whole race; since Bella started 10m behind Alice, Alice must win by 10m.
I read that as meaning as the exact same speeds they ran in the first race.
JudgeMental said:
Kind of weird to talk about someone winning a sprint by a distance rather than a time but I suppose the meaning is clear enough, and Bella wins.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Mine was green, but I painted it bright orange.
Bloody two bob lair.
Dark Orange said:
btm said:
Dark Orange said:Bella, by 1m.
Obviously if they go at exactly the same speeds, they stay 10m apart for the whole race; since Bella started 10m behind Alice, Alice must win by 10m.
I read that as meaning as the exact same speeds they ran in the first race.
In which case you have to agree that you have no information about how fast they will run over the last 10 m.
I’m going for Alice, because Bella is getting tired after running faster for 200 m, and Alice is more of a 200 m sprinter anyway, so is just getting up to top speed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:
btm said:Obviously if they go at exactly the same speeds, they stay 10m apart for the whole race; since Bella started 10m behind Alice, Alice must win by 10m.
I read that as meaning as the exact same speeds they ran in the first race.
In which case you have to agree that you have no information about how fast they will run over the last 10 m.
I’m going for Alice, because Bella is getting tired after running faster for 200 m, and Alice is more of a 200 m sprinter anyway, so is just getting up to top speed.
I think Bella will trip over her shoelace in the last 5m
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dark Orange said:I read that as meaning as the exact same speeds they ran in the first race.
In which case you have to agree that you have no information about how fast they will run over the last 10 m.
I’m going for Alice, because Bella is getting tired after running faster for 200 m, and Alice is more of a 200 m sprinter anyway, so is just getting up to top speed.
I think Bella will trip over her shoelace in the last 5m
Bella is pretty though.
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:In which case you have to agree that you have no information about how fast they will run over the last 10 m.
I’m going for Alice, because Bella is getting tired after running faster for 200 m, and Alice is more of a 200 m sprinter anyway, so is just getting up to top speed.
I think Bella will trip over her shoelace in the last 5m
Bella is pretty though.
That they both may have been.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
Arts said:I think Bella will trip over her shoelace in the last 5m
Bella is pretty though.
That they both may have been.
maybe but bella is the only only one who is pretty in italian.
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:Bella is pretty though.
That they both may have been.
maybe but bella is the only only one who is pretty in italian.
LOL
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:Bella is pretty though.
That they both may have been.
maybe but bella is the only only one who is pretty in italian.
Perhaps so, but Alice can run at a lic.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
roughbarked said:That they both may have been.
maybe but bella is the only only one who is pretty in italian.
Perhaps so, but Alice can run at a lic.
As she may do, but they may both be bella.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:dad’s was turquoise.
Mine was green, but I painted it bright orange.
Bloody two bob lair.
Yeah, but it was 1971.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Mine was green, but I painted it bright orange.
Bloody two bob lair.
LOL
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Mine was green, but I painted it bright orange.
Bloody two bob lair.
Yeah, but it was 1971.
20 cents lair then.
So anyway since they both run at maximum speeds of 10 m/s but one of them accelerates at 1 m/s2 while the other accelerates at 1.25 m/s2, we win.
SCIENCE said:
So anyway since they both run at maximum speeds of 10 m/s but one of them accelerates at 1 m/s2 while the other accelerates at 1.25 m/s2, we win.
What about if one stops for a piss?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
So anyway since they both run at maximum speeds of 10 m/s but one of them accelerates at 1 m/s2 while the other accelerates at 1.25 m/s2, we win.
What about if one stops for a piss?
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
So anyway since they both run at maximum speeds of 10 m/s but one of them accelerates at 1 m/s2 while the other accelerates at 1.25 m/s2, we win.
What about if one stops for a piss?
Anyway, who cares who won?
Not Elkie Brooks.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
What about if one stops for a piss?
Anyway, who cares who won?
Not Elkie Brooks.
Very tasty
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
Water on, water off?
JudgeMental said:
Planets with at least one moon, ordered by increasing number of moons.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
Planets with at least one moon, ordered by increasing number of moons.
:)
Tamb said:
JudgeMental said:
Distance from the Goldilocks zone.
But what about Uranus and Neptune?
Amount of confirmed life. Doesn’t say Saturn has to be last on its own; so equal last counts.
OCDC said:
Amount of confirmed life. Doesn’t say Saturn has to be last on its own; so equal last counts.
Good one :)
Having now done my own research, I’m guessing the “correct” answer is:
Planet density, from highest to least.
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:
Amount of confirmed life. Doesn’t say Saturn has to be last on its own; so equal last counts.
Good one :)
Having now done my own research, I’m guessing the “correct” answer is:
Planet density, from highest to least.
Also I’m now wondering why if Uranus and Neptune are “rocky” planets, their density is so low?
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:
Amount of confirmed life. Doesn’t say Saturn has to be last on its own; so equal last counts.
Good one :)
Having now done my own research, I’m guessing the “correct” answer is:
Planet density, from highest to least.
Also I’m now wondering why if Uranus and Neptune are “rocky” planets, their density is so low?
From the Internet:
“The low density of Uranus can be attributed to its large volume and relatively low mass”
well duh
“, as well as its composition, which is primarily hydrogen and helium, two of the lightest elements in the universe”
Thankyou Mr. bot. So why is it called a rocky planet then?
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Good one :)
Having now done my own research, I’m guessing the “correct” answer is:
Planet density, from highest to least.
Also I’m now wondering why if Uranus and Neptune are “rocky” planets, their density is so low?
From the Internet:
“The low density of Uranus can be attributed to its large volume and relatively low mass”
well duh
“, as well as its composition, which is primarily hydrogen and helium, two of the lightest elements in the universe”
Thankyou Mr. bot. So why is it called a rocky planet then?
The Internet then went on to say:
“Uranus is called a rocky planet because it has a small rocky core surrounded by a thick hydrogen and helium atmosphere1234. Unlike Jupiter and Saturn, which are composed predominantly of hydrogen and helium, Uranus contains only a small portion of these light elements and is composed mostly of ices such as water, methane, and ammonia”
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Good one :)
Having now done my own research, I’m guessing the “correct” answer is:
Planet density, from highest to least.
Also I’m now wondering why if Uranus and Neptune are “rocky” planets, their density is so low?
From the Internet:
“The low density of Uranus can be attributed to its large volume and relatively low mass”
well duh
“, as well as its composition, which is primarily hydrogen and helium, two of the lightest elements in the universe”
Thankyou Mr. bot. So why is it called a rocky planet then?
The inner planets, such as Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars, are predominantly composed of dense, rocky materials like iron, silicates, and other minerals. In contrast, the outer planets – Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune – are primarily composed of low-density gases, such as hydrogen and helium, with smaller rocky cores.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Also I’m now wondering why if Uranus and Neptune are “rocky” planets, their density is so low?
From the Internet:
“The low density of Uranus can be attributed to its large volume and relatively low mass”
well duh
“, as well as its composition, which is primarily hydrogen and helium, two of the lightest elements in the universe”
Thankyou Mr. bot. So why is it called a rocky planet then?
The Internet then went on to say:
“Uranus is called a rocky planet because it has a small rocky core surrounded by a thick hydrogen and helium atmosphere1234. Unlike Jupiter and Saturn, which are composed predominantly of hydrogen and helium, Uranus contains only a small portion of these light elements and is composed mostly of ices such as water, methane, and ammonia”
FWIW I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it labelled a rocky planet before, only an ice giant.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:
Amount of confirmed life. Doesn’t say Saturn has to be last on its own; so equal last counts.
Good one :)
Having now done my own research, I’m guessing the “correct” answer is:
Planet density, from highest to least.
Also I’m now wondering why if Uranus and Neptune are “rocky” planets, their density is so low?
The rocky part is small ?
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:From the Internet:
“The low density of Uranus can be attributed to its large volume and relatively low mass”
well duh
“, as well as its composition, which is primarily hydrogen and helium, two of the lightest elements in the universe”
Thankyou Mr. bot. So why is it called a rocky planet then?
The Internet then went on to say:
“Uranus is called a rocky planet because it has a small rocky core surrounded by a thick hydrogen and helium atmosphere1234. Unlike Jupiter and Saturn, which are composed predominantly of hydrogen and helium, Uranus contains only a small portion of these light elements and is composed mostly of ices such as water, methane, and ammonia”
FWIW I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it labelled a rocky planet before, only an ice giant.
I think you may be right :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Spiny Norman said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The Internet then went on to say:
“Uranus is called a rocky planet because it has a small rocky core surrounded by a thick hydrogen and helium atmosphere1234. Unlike Jupiter and Saturn, which are composed predominantly of hydrogen and helium, Uranus contains only a small portion of these light elements and is composed mostly of ices such as water, methane, and ammonia”
FWIW I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it labelled a rocky planet before, only an ice giant.
I think you may be right :)
Bound to happen at some point in my life. :)
JudgeMental said:
From low to high, the number of moons, for planets that have moons …
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
From low to high, the number of moons, for planets that have moons …
Yeah, that works if you leave out the planets with no moons, like Venus
Cymek said:
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
From low to high, the number of moons, for planets that have moons …
Yeah, that works if you leave out the planets with no moons, like Venus
Which I explicitly did in my statement…
Assuming they refer to the 8 currently generally agreed upon planets, there are 6! ways of ordering the planets that would place a specific planet first and another specific planet last.
furious said:
Cymek said:
furious said:From low to high, the number of moons, for planets that have moons …
Yeah, that works if you leave out the planets with no moons, like Venus
Which I explicitly did in my statement…
Yes
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
From low to high, the number of moons, for planets that have moons …
Glad to see support for this excellent answer.
Clearly superior to the pedantic density ordering.
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
From low to high, the number of moons, for planets that have moons …
Glad to see support for this excellent answer.
Clearly superior to the pedantic density ordering.
I did think, of perhaps science fiction (whatever form, that gets hard to check though) of most to least used planet, I’d think though that Neptune or Uranus might be the least used.
JudgeMental said:
Density, obviously.
Dark Orange said:
JudgeMental said:
Density, obviously.
I agree
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:JudgeMental said:
Density, obviously.
I agree
Ha!
JudgeMental said:
Number of artificial satellites?
furious said:
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:Density, obviously.
I agree
Ha!
These pedantic characters can go with density if they like.
We free thinkers will stick to our moons.
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:
Cymek said:
I agree
Ha!
These pedantic characters can go with density if they like.
We free thinkers will stick to our moons.
And I’ll stick to my Goldilocks theory.
https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/teachers/densities.html
JudgeMental said:
https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/teachers/densities.html
Planetary densities works for me.
furious said:
JudgeMental said:
From low to high, the number of moons, for planets that have moons …
High density to low density?
SCIENCE said:
Assuming they refer to the 8 currently generally agreed upon planets, there are 6! ways of ordering the planets that would place a specific planet first and another specific planet last.
this answer still most correct
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
Assuming they refer to the 8 currently generally agreed upon planets, there are 6! ways of ordering the planets that would place a specific planet first and another specific planet last.
this answer still most correct
It may be correct.
But is it an answer?
I think not.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
Assuming they refer to the 8 currently generally agreed upon planets, there are 6! ways of ordering the planets that would place a specific planet first and another specific planet last.
this answer still most correct
It may be correct.
But is it an answer?
I think not.
Seems unfair, let’s for the sake of discretion call them 12345678. The following ways of ordering the planets would place Earth first and Saturn last:
31245786
31245876
31247586
31247856
31248576
31248756
…
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
this answer still most correct
It may be correct.
But is it an answer?
I think not.
Seems unfair, let’s for the sake of discretion call them 12345678. The following ways of ordering the planets would place Earth first and Saturn last:
31245786
31245876
31247586
31247856
31248576
31248756
…
Pls show working as to why they are in those orders.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
this answer still most correct
It may be correct.
But is it an answer?
I think not.
Seems unfair, let’s for the sake of discretion call them 12345678. The following ways of ordering the planets would place Earth first and Saturn last:
31245786
31245876
31247586
31247856
31248576
31248756
…
All true, but the word “way” is singular, is it not?
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
It may be correct.
But is it an answer?
I think not.
Seems unfair, let’s for the sake of discretion call them 12345678. The following ways of ordering the planets would place Earth first and Saturn last:
31245786
31245876
31247586
31247856
31248576
31248756
…
Pls show working as to why they are in those orders.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
It may be correct.
But is it an answer?
I think not.
Seems unfair, let’s for the sake of discretion call them 12345678. The following ways of ordering the planets would place Earth first and Saturn last:
31245786
31245876
31247586
31247856
31248576
31248756
…
All true, but the word “way” is singular, is it not?
so what we’re saying is that we’ve given a path to at least 60 times as many correct answers as the next fella here, including specifying 3 times as many
Boris said:
The short answer is:
yes.
The longer answer is:
it depends on whether the butterfly is accelerating upwards or downwards, or if it has a constant vertical velocity.
It also depends on whether the question is referring to the weight of the jar or jar + air + butterfly, as measured by the scales.
As they mention the scales, I think it is reasonable to assume the latter.
We discussed an equivalent problem here many years ago.
Boris said:
is the jar spherical
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
The short answer is:
yes.The longer answer is:
it depends on whether the butterfly is accelerating upwards or downwards, or if it has a constant vertical velocity.It also depends on whether the question is referring to the weight of the jar or jar + air + butterfly, as measured by the scales.
As they mention the scales, I think it is reasonable to assume the latter.
We discussed an equivalent problem here many years ago.
weight has a specific definition and the jar is referred to separately to its contents so
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:
is the jar spherical
Never mind the jar, is the butterfly spherical?
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
The short answer is:
yes.The longer answer is:
it depends on whether the butterfly is accelerating upwards or downwards, or if it has a constant vertical velocity.It also depends on whether the question is referring to the weight of the jar or jar + air + butterfly, as measured by the scales.
As they mention the scales, I think it is reasonable to assume the latter.
We discussed an equivalent problem here many years ago.
weight has a specific definition and the jar is referred to separately to its contents so
But weight has several different definitions.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
The short answer is:
yes.The longer answer is:
it depends on whether the butterfly is accelerating upwards or downwards, or if it has a constant vertical velocity.It also depends on whether the question is referring to the weight of the jar or jar + air + butterfly, as measured by the scales.
As they mention the scales, I think it is reasonable to assume the latter.
We discussed an equivalent problem here many years ago.
weight has a specific definition and the jar is referred to separately to its contents so
But weight has several different definitions.
Also, even if we take the question to refer to just the jar, the answer is still “yes”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:weight has a specific definition and the jar is referred to separately to its contents so
But weight has several different definitions.
Also, even if we take the question to refer to just the jar, the answer is still “yes”.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But weight has several different definitions.
Also, even if we take the question to refer to just the jar, the answer is still “yes”.
IMO, no change as it’s a closed system.
the lid might be not on.
Boris said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Also, even if we take the question to refer to just the jar, the answer is still “yes”.
IMO, no change as it’s a closed system.the lid might be not on.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But weight has several different definitions.
Also, even if we take the question to refer to just the jar, the answer is still “yes”.
IMO, no change as it’s a closed system.
But it isn’t.
The jar is sitting on scales, which are sitting on a massive near spherical object.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Boris said:
is the jar spherical
Never mind the jar, is the butterfly spherical?
… the effect or lack thereof of inverse square phenomena on spherical bodies depends on the sphericalness of the enclosing body …
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Also, even if we take the question to refer to just the jar, the answer is still “yes”.
IMO, no change as it’s a closed system.
But it isn’t.
The jar is sitting on scales, which are sitting on a massive near spherical object.
how does that introduce mass transfer or extroduce it
isolated system has a specific definition
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
IMO, no change as it’s a closed system.
But it isn’t.
The jar is sitting on scales, which are sitting on a massive near spherical object.
how does that introduce mass transfer or extroduce it
isolated system has a specific definition
Who mentioned mass transfer?
There is certainly force transfer.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
The short answer is:
yes.The longer answer is:
it depends on whether the butterfly is accelerating upwards or downwards, or if it has a constant vertical velocity.It also depends on whether the question is referring to the weight of the jar or jar + air + butterfly, as measured by the scales.
As they mention the scales, I think it is reasonable to assume the latter.
We discussed an equivalent problem here many years ago.
100% agree with the Rev on all points
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
The short answer is:
yes.The longer answer is:
it depends on whether the butterfly is accelerating upwards or downwards, or if it has a constant vertical velocity.It also depends on whether the question is referring to the weight of the jar or jar + air + butterfly, as measured by the scales.
As they mention the scales, I think it is reasonable to assume the latter.
We discussed an equivalent problem here many years ago.
100% agree with the Rev on all points
Well it’s good to see that at least the engineers have got a good handle on this one :)
But now I must go off and calculate the force effects of a body inside a cylindrical object hitting the surface at high speed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The short answer is:
yes.The longer answer is:
it depends on whether the butterfly is accelerating upwards or downwards, or if it has a constant vertical velocity.It also depends on whether the question is referring to the weight of the jar or jar + air + butterfly, as measured by the scales.
As they mention the scales, I think it is reasonable to assume the latter.
We discussed an equivalent problem here many years ago.
100% agree with the Rev on all points
Well it’s good to see that at least the engineers have got a good handle on this one :)
But now I must go off and calculate the force effects of a body inside a cylindrical object hitting the surface at high speed.
thread title checks out
Tamb said:
Boris said:
Tamb said:IMO, no change as it’s a closed system.
the lid might be not on.
The the O E says closed jar.
so it does.
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:100% agree with the Rev on all points
Well it’s good to see that at least the engineers have got a good handle on this one :)
But now I must go off and calculate the force effects of a body inside a cylindrical object hitting the surface at high speed.
thread title checks out
Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
Boris said:
The butterfly ain’t going to change anything.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well it’s good to see that at least the engineers have got a good handle on this one :)
But now I must go off and calculate the force effects of a body inside a cylindrical object hitting the surface at high speed.
thread title checks out
Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
:)
Boris said:
For real, assuming the scale is sufficiently precise, it will show fluctuations based on whether the centre of mass of the whole system is accelerating up or down at a particular instant.
On average the total weight shown should be the same as before.
There was another example previously about birds in a truck on a weigh station and in that instance I pettifogged because I figured the lack of airtightness would probably mean that the birds would indeed provide some lift for the truck, but a sealed jar is a different story.
dv said:
Boris said:
For real, assuming the scale is sufficiently precise, it will show fluctuations based on whether the centre of mass of the whole system is accelerating up or down at a particular instant.
On average the total weight shown should be the same as before.
I agree, of course, but to keep Arts happy I will point out that the average total weight will vary over the course of the day, depending on the positions of the Moon and Sun (and the other planets (and the rest of the observable Universe)).
so which definition are they using now
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Boris said:
For real, assuming the scale is sufficiently precise, it will show fluctuations based on whether the centre of mass of the whole system is accelerating up or down at a particular instant.
On average the total weight shown should be the same as before.
I agree, of course, but to keep Arts happy I will point out that the average total weight will vary over the course of the day, depending on the positions of the Moon and Sun (and the other planets (and the rest of the observable Universe)).
I suppose it depends on what kind of scale it is. There are still industrial/scientific scales that allow for this using internal weights.
Of course even such scales would struggle to allow for the varying buoyancy of a sealed jar in a room with presumably varying atmospheric pressure.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:For real, assuming the scale is sufficiently precise, it will show fluctuations based on whether the centre of mass of the whole system is accelerating up or down at a particular instant.
On average the total weight shown should be the same as before.
I agree, of course, but to keep Arts happy I will point out that the average total weight will vary over the course of the day, depending on the positions of the Moon and Sun (and the other planets (and the rest of the observable Universe)).
I suppose it depends on what kind of scale it is. There are still industrial/scientific scales that allow for this using internal weights.
Of course even such scales would struggle to allow for the varying buoyancy of a sealed jar in a room with presumably varying atmospheric pressure.
Good point.
And even with constant average air pressure, the wind speed and direction makes a significant difference to the pressure inside a normal room, assuming it isn’t sealed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well it’s good to see that at least the engineers have got a good handle on this one :)
But now I must go off and calculate the force effects of a body inside a cylindrical object hitting the surface at high speed.
thread title checks out
Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
“Yes” does not answer the question as stated.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:For real, assuming the scale is sufficiently precise, it will show fluctuations based on whether the centre of mass of the whole system is accelerating up or down at a particular instant.
On average the total weight shown should be the same as before.
I agree, of course, but to keep Arts happy I will point out that the average total weight will vary over the course of the day, depending on the positions of the Moon and Sun (and the other planets (and the rest of the observable Universe)).
I suppose it depends on what kind of scale it is. There are still industrial/scientific scales that allow for this using internal weights.
Of course even such scales would struggle to allow for the varying buoyancy of a sealed jar in a room with presumably varying atmospheric pressure.
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:thread title checks out
Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
“Yes” does not answer the question as stated.
Yes it does:
Yes, the jar does get lighter, heavier, or stay the same.
dv said:
There was another example previously about birds in a truck on a weigh station and in that instance I pettifogged because I figured the lack of airtightness would probably mean that the birds would indeed provide some lift for the truck, but a sealed jar is a different story.
Yes, birds in a truck
Shit
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
“Yes” does not answer the question as stated.
Yes it does:
Yes, the jar does get lighter, heavier, or stay the same.
A question of equal thirds then?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Boris said:
For real, assuming the scale is sufficiently precise, it will show fluctuations based on whether the centre of mass of the whole system is accelerating up or down at a particular instant.
On average the total weight shown should be the same as before.
I agree, of course, but to keep Arts happy I will point out that the average total weight will vary over the course of the day, depending on the positions of the Moon and Sun (and the other planets (and the rest of the observable Universe)).
that does make me happy, thanks Rev.
Tamb said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I agree, of course, but to keep Arts happy I will point out that the average total weight will vary over the course of the day, depending on the positions of the Moon and Sun (and the other planets (and the rest of the observable Universe)).
I suppose it depends on what kind of scale it is. There are still industrial/scientific scales that allow for this using internal weights.
Of course even such scales would struggle to allow for the varying buoyancy of a sealed jar in a room with presumably varying atmospheric pressure.
Would the butterfly dying of asphyxiation alter anything?
Shouldn’t
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
“Yes” does not answer the question as stated.
Yes it does:
Yes, the jar does get lighter, heavier, or stay the same.
Glad to see DVSBL is still alive.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:“Yes” does not answer the question as stated.
Yes it does:
Yes, the jar does get lighter, heavier, or stay the same.
Glad to see DVSBL is still alive.
We must always struggle to preserve the ancient traditions.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yes it does:
Yes, the jar does get lighter, heavier, or stay the same.
Glad to see DVSBL is still alive.
We must always struggle to preserve the ancient traditions.
they knew
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well it’s good to see that at least the engineers have got a good handle on this one :)
But now I must go off and calculate the force effects of a body inside a cylindrical object hitting the surface at high speed.
thread title checks out
Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
My initial assumption was that the scales were inside the jar with the butterfly, but then you lot started reading it as the jar on the scales, so I went back and reread the question. I think that bit is ambiguous.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:thread title checks out
Thanks for the prompt Arts.
Checking the question, I note that I assumed the jar was sitting on the scales, whereas the question actually says the butterfly is sitting on the scales, so the scales are presumably inside the jar.
But the answer is still yes.
My initial assumption was that the scales were inside the jar with the butterfly, but then you lot started reading it as the jar on the scales, so I went back and reread the question. I think that bit is ambiguous.
I agree it is ambiguous, but with the comma where it is, I think “I have” refers to “a closed jar with a butterfly inside”, all of which are sitting on the scales.
We really should use brackets in English to make these things clear :)
they are deliberately ambiguous so pedants can discuss them for hours…
Boris said:
Does it still cause a hurricane in the Amazon?
Kingy said:
Boris said:
Does it still cause a hurricane in the Amazon?
NS mid-week brain teaser:
There is a well known sequence of 3 numbers where the sum of the squares of the first two is equal to the square of the third.
What would be the starting number of a sequence of 5 numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 3 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 2; i.e. if a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = d^2 + e^2, and abcde are in sequence, what is a?
What would be the starting number of 11 sequential numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 6 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 5?
The Rev Dodgson said:
NS mid-week brain teaser:There is a well known sequence of 3 numbers where the sum of the squares of the first two is equal to the square of the third.
What would be the starting number of a sequence of 5 numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 3 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 2; i.e. if a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = d^2 + e^2, and abcde are in sequence, what is a?
What would be the starting number of 11 sequential numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 6 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 5?
-2 -1 0 1 2
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
NS mid-week brain teaser:There is a well known sequence of 3 numbers where the sum of the squares of the first two is equal to the square of the third.
What would be the starting number of a sequence of 5 numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 3 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 2; i.e. if a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = d^2 + e^2, and abcde are in sequence, what is a?
What would be the starting number of 11 sequential numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 6 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 5?
-2 -1 0 1 2
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5
You seem to have come up with a perfectly valid alternative answer there, at least for the question as stated by me.
New Scientist however did say the numbers should all be positive.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
NS mid-week brain teaser:There is a well known sequence of 3 numbers where the sum of the squares of the first two is equal to the square of the third.
What would be the starting number of a sequence of 5 numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 3 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 2; i.e. if a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = d^2 + e^2, and abcde are in sequence, what is a?
What would be the starting number of 11 sequential numbers, such that the sum of the squares of the first 6 is equal to the sum of the squares of the last 5?
-2 -1 0 1 2
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5
You seem to have come up with a perfectly valid alternative answer there, at least for the question as stated by me.
New Scientist however did say the numbers should all be positive.
Then
10 11 12 13 14
Gimme a minute on the other one
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:-2 -1 0 1 2
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5
You seem to have come up with a perfectly valid alternative answer there, at least for the question as stated by me.
New Scientist however did say the numbers should all be positive.
Then
10 11 12 13 14Gimme a minute on the other one
55 to 65
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:-2 -1 0 1 2
-5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5
You seem to have come up with a perfectly valid alternative answer there, at least for the question as stated by me.
New Scientist however did say the numbers should all be positive.
Then
10 11 12 13 14Gimme a minute on the other one
Sure.
Timer started.
dv said:
-13 seconds, pretty good :)
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You seem to have come up with a perfectly valid alternative answer there, at least for the question as stated by me.
New Scientist however did say the numbers should all be positive.
Then
10 11 12 13 14Gimme a minute on the other one
55 to 65
So the starting number for a sequence of n numbers is n(n-1)/2.
Also noted that 10^2+11^2+12^2 = 13^2+14^2 = 365.
A coincidence?
I think not.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:-13 seconds, pretty good :)
dv said:Then
10 11 12 13 14Gimme a minute on the other one
55 to 65
So the starting number for a sequence of n numbers is n(n-1)/2.
Also noted that 10^2+11^2+12^2 = 13^2+14^2 = 365.
A coincidence?
I think not.
I also think not in that it is not even a coincidence.
I think my favourite genre of mistake is when someone from the “you can always tell” brigade mistakes a f2m for a m2f and tries to insult him by calling him a man.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:-13 seconds, pretty good :)55 to 65
So the starting number for a sequence of n numbers is n(n-1)/2.
Also noted that 10^2+11^2+12^2 = 13^2+14^2 = 365.
A coincidence?
I think not.
I also think not in that it is not even a coincidence.
It’s an odd coincidence though.
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:-13 seconds, pretty good :)So the starting number for a sequence of n numbers is n(n-1)/2.
Also noted that 10^2+11^2+12^2 = 13^2+14^2 = 365.
A coincidence?
I think not.
I also think not in that it is not even a coincidence.
It’s an odd coincidence though.
Except in a leap year.
Boris said:
Is this actually the same?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IGrSjcBZs
drone in jar.
ABC Thread
https://www.facebook.com/ABCScience/posts/pfbid0N7Z1CvStSvDLGG9c9892NRJSKsZEb3Fc1w1K28AFCC6bJLPW3BybLgxFJ2yKjpTXl
Bogsnorkler said:
Boris said:
Is this actually the same?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IGrSjcBZs
drone in jar.
ABC Thread
https://www.facebook.com/ABCScience/posts/pfbid0N7Z1CvStSvDLGG9c9892NRJSKsZEb3Fc1w1K28AFCC6bJLPW3BybLgxFJ2yKjpTXl
QI. I expected more change when the thing accelerated upwards, but I guess it accelerated pretty slowly.
Not much discussion of acceleration in the ABC thread.
Bogsnorkler said:
Boris said:
Is this actually the same?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IGrSjcBZs
drone in jar.
ABC Thread
https://www.facebook.com/ABCScience/posts/pfbid0N7Z1CvStSvDLGG9c9892NRJSKsZEb3Fc1w1K28AFCC6bJLPW3BybLgxFJ2yKjpTXl
I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Boris said:
Is this actually the same?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IGrSjcBZs
drone in jar.
ABC Thread
https://www.facebook.com/ABCScience/posts/pfbid0N7Z1CvStSvDLGG9c9892NRJSKsZEb3Fc1w1K28AFCC6bJLPW3BybLgxFJ2yKjpTXl
I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Boris said:
Is this actually the same?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IGrSjcBZs
drone in jar.
ABC Thread
https://www.facebook.com/ABCScience/posts/pfbid0N7Z1CvStSvDLGG9c9892NRJSKsZEb3Fc1w1K28AFCC6bJLPW3BybLgxFJ2yKjpTXl
I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
people here persistently whine about the ABC not always giving and answer. I thought I would amend that.
Bogsnorkler said:
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:Is this actually the same?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IGrSjcBZs
drone in jar.
ABC Thread
https://www.facebook.com/ABCScience/posts/pfbid0N7Z1CvStSvDLGG9c9892NRJSKsZEb3Fc1w1K28AFCC6bJLPW3BybLgxFJ2yKjpTXl
I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
people here persistently whine about the ABC not always giving and answer. I thought I would amend that.
No, Webb on the radio pronounced “stay the same”.
I’m sure I saw those scales jump to 6…
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Ian said:I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
people here persistently whine about the ABC not always giving and answer. I thought I would amend that.
No, Webb on the radio pronounced “stay the same”.
I’m sure I saw those scales jump to 6…
not everyone listens to the radio and want an answer under the teaser on the ABC Science page.
Ian said:
I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
How can a question be bunk?
dv said:
Ian said:
I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
How can a question be bunk?
A nonsense.. no answer
Bogsnorkler said:
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:people here persistently whine about the ABC not always giving and answer. I thought I would amend that.
No, Webb on the radio pronounced “stay the same”.
I’m sure I saw those scales jump to 6…
not everyone listens to the radio and want an answer under the teaser on the ABC Science page.
Weirdos
Ian said:
dv said:Ian said:
I thought the question was declared bunk here nearly a week ago.
How can a question be bunk?
A nonsense.. no answer
But we answered it.
Ian said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Ian said:No, Webb on the radio pronounced “stay the same”.
I’m sure I saw those scales jump to 6…
not everyone listens to the radio and want an answer under the teaser on the ABC Science page.
Weirdos
dv said:
Ian said:
dv said:How can a question be bunk?
A nonsense.. no answer
But we answered it.
Indeed, a wide range of answers.
That is the point of this thread, isn’t it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Ian said:A nonsense.. no answer
But we answered it.
Indeed, a wide range of answers.
That is the point of this thread, isn’t it?
Yes
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:But we answered it.
Indeed, a wide range of answers.
That is the point of this thread, isn’t it?
Yes
see all you doubters, I am useful.
wait so are they saying that theoretically there’s no change either or are they admitting that their experimental setup is inadequate
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m going for
GRAPPLE
For reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:Ditto.I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:ChrispenEvan said:Ditto.I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
You could also make a good argument for
CHARDONNAY
ChrispenEvan said:
You could come up with a plethora of options.
Like the only word that has a k in it, the only word that has two ps in it…and so it goes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:Your reasoning eludes me.The Rev Dodgson said:You could also make a good argument forI’m going forDitto.
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
CHARDONNAY
Peak Warming Man said:
ChrispenEvan said:
You could come up with a plethora of options.
Like the only word that has a k in it, the only word that has two ps in it…and so it goes.
I’m leaning towards grapple as well.
ChrispenEvan said:
Chardonnay – no p.
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OCDC said:Your reasoning eludes me.Ditto.You could also make a good argument for
CHARDONNAY
They all contain a bit of food, but chardonnay also has some drink to go with it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:Not sure if Chardonnay goes well with chard.The Rev Dodgson said:They all contain a bit of food, but chardonnay also has some drink to go with it.You could also make a good argument forYour reasoning eludes me.
CHARDONNAY
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Chardonnay – no p.
Also the only one not ending in a vowel.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
Grapple because the others start with plant names
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OCDC said:Not sure if Chardonnay goes well with chard.Your reasoning eludes me.They all contain a bit of food, but chardonnay also has some drink to go with it.
De gustibus non est disputandum!
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Chardonnay – no p.
Also the only one not ending in a vowel.
did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Chardonnay – no p.
Also the only one not ending in a vowel.
did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
No, I didn’t learn that, and I do not accept it.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Chardonnay – no p.
There’s that.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
Grapple because the others start with plant names
Also the only one that doesn’t have a vowel in a central position.
Anyway my reasoning for GRAPPLE is that it contains a fruit.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
Grapple because the others start with plant names
It is also not a noun.
OCDC said:
Anyway my reasoning for GRAPPLE is that it contains a fruit.
That was my thinking originally also.
OCDC said:
Anyway my reasoning for GRAPPLE is that it contains a fruit.
In a way, so does chardonnay.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Chardonnay – no p.
There’s that.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
Grapple because the others start with plant names
It is also not a noun.
grap·ple
verb
engage in a close fight or struggle without weapons; wrestle:
“passers-by grappled with the man after the knife attack”
Similar:
wrestle
struggle
tussle
brawl
fight
scuffle
archaic
seize or hold with a grappling hook.
noun
an act of grappling.
an instrument for seizing hold of something; a grappling hook.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Chardonnay – no p.
Also the only one not ending in a vowel.
did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
It’s what I learnt.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
Grapple because the others start with plant names
Also the only one that doesn’t have a vowel in a central position.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Also the only one not ending in a vowel.
did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
No, I didn’t learn that, and I do not accept it.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/why-y-is-sometimes-a-vowel-usage
Conditions apply.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Also the only one not ending in a vowel.
did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
It’s what I learnt.
Must be an ozzY thing, I suppose.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
It’s what I learnt.
Must be an ozzY thing, I suppose.
learned it in the Old Country.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
No, I didn’t learn that, and I do not accept it.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/why-y-is-sometimes-a-vowel-usage
Conditions apply.
Well, a sub-standard, pseudo-vowel, at best.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:did you not learn
A E I O U, sometimes Y?
No, I didn’t learn that, and I do not accept it.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/why-y-is-sometimes-a-vowel-usage
Conditions apply.
Interesting, ta.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:Grapple because the others start with plant names
It is also not a noun.
grap·ple
verb
engage in a close fight or struggle without weapons; wrestle:
“passers-by grappled with the man after the knife attack”
Similar:
wrestle
struggle
tussle
brawl
fight
scufflearchaic
seize or hold with a grappling hook.noun
an act of grappling.
an instrument for seizing hold of something; a grappling hook.
That has an ing to it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:No, I didn’t learn that, and I do not accept it.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/why-y-is-sometimes-a-vowel-usage
Conditions apply.
Well, a sub-standard, pseudo-vowel, at best.
That’s not very nice. It’s having a go!
The Rev Dodgson said:
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You could also make a good argument forYour reasoning eludes me.
CHARDONNAY
They all contain a bit of food, but chardonnay also has some drink to go with it.
That’s my guess too. All have food except chardonnay which has a hardon.
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:ChrispenEvan said:Ditto.I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
I’d pick grapple for reasons of gut feeling only after reading them aloud to myself.
buffy said:
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m going forDitto.
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
I’d pick grapple for reasons of gut feeling only after reading them aloud to myself.
Hadn’t noticed that.
Grapple is the only tinny word.
All the others are woody words.
Well spotted :)
OCDC said:
Anyway my reasoning for GRAPPLE is that it contains a fruit.
I think my brain was going with grapple because the others are a bit new agey…
So many correct answers, so little time.
Grapple can be a noun.
dv said:
Grapple can be a noun.
As I pointed out with documentation :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Grapple can be a noun.
As I pointed out with documentation :)
1. an act of grappling
2. an instrument for seizing hold of something; a grappling hook
and as I pointed out, it contains an -ing.buffy said:
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m going forDitto.
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
I’d pick grapple for reasons of gut feeling only after reading them aloud to myself.
the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Grapple can be a noun.
As I pointed out with documentation :)
1. an act of grappling
2. an instrument for seizing hold of something; a grappling hook
and as I pointed out, it contains an -ing.
The description contains the ing, not the word.
An act of grappling or a grappling hook can both be referred to as a grapple.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:As I pointed out with documentation :)
1. an act of grappling
2. an instrument for seizing hold of something; a grappling hook
and as I pointed out, it contains an -ing.The description contains the ing, not the word.
An act of grappling or a grappling hook can both be referred to as a grapple.
Arts said:
buffy said:
OCDC said:
Ditto.
I’d pick grapple for reasons of gut feeling only after reading them aloud to myself.
the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)
But an apple is something, and it is the only one of the things that is a fruit.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I’d pick grapple for reasons of gut feeling only after reading them aloud to myself.
the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)
But an apple is something, and it is the only one of the things that is a fruit.
Apple is at the end of the word. The others at the beginning. But either way the answer is the same
a Grapple is a cross between a grape and an apple. I would of thought roughie would have known that.
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)
But an apple is something, and it is the only one of the things that is a fruit.
Apple is at the end of the word. The others at the beginning. But either way the answer is the same
Yes, so grapple is up there with chardonnay as a possible answer.
ChrispenEvan said:
a Grapple is a cross between a grape and an apple. I would of thought roughie would have known that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m going for
GRAPPLEFor reasons I will explain in due course, should anyone want to know.
Grapple because the others start with plant names
Also the only one that doesn’t have a vowel in a central position.
no C
ChrispenEvan said:
a Grapple is a cross between a grape and an apple. I would of thought roughie would have known that.
I had thought of it, yes. However, didn’t deem it worthy of a mention. ;)
Kaleidoscope, because kale isn’t edible.
Or Cornucopia because corn is yellow and the others are green.
Seems Arts and I are on the same page
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
buffy said:I’d pick grapple for reasons of gut feeling only after reading them aloud to myself.
the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)
But an apple is something, and it is the only one of the things that is a fruit.
To be pedantic, so is corn.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)
But an apple is something, and it is the only one of the things that is a fruit.
To be pedantic, so is corn.
and tomatoes.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:TILArts said:To be pedantic, so is corn.the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)But an apple is something, and it is the only one of the things that is a fruit.
So that makes my rationale incorrect.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:the answer is Grapple, because all the others have a fruit or veg in full as the first letter… grap is nothing (even though grape is something)
But an apple is something, and it is the only one of the things that is a fruit.
To be pedantic, so is corn.
OK, having further researched this topic, it seems you are right :)
FB:
Did you get it?
GrAPPLE sure is fruitier than the rest!
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
ham and cheese?
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
Or to be more precise, race them rolling down an incline (the solid cylinder will win).
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
ham and cheese?
I was thinking more of soup cans and meat balls:
“An illustration is a race between soup cans (hollow cylinders) and meatballs (solid spheres) down an inclined plane. Due to their lower moments of inertia, the meatballs (solid spheres) should reach the bottom first.”
https://brainly.com/question/39099135
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
Won’t that result in damage?
ChrispenEvan said:
Tap them with your fingernail or a wooden spoon. The hollow one will ring a bit like a bell. The solid one will sound duller.
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
Won’t that result in damage?
I suppose we need to discuss what level of physical change is required before it becomes “damage”.
I’d suggest that if there is no physical change visible to the naked eye, we could consider them undamaged.
KJW said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
Or to be more precise, race them rolling down an incline (the solid cylinder will win).
Indeed.
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Give them a roll.
Won’t that result in damage?
Not on a clean incline like a board.
eddy
ChrispenEvan said:
aota
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Give them a roll.
Won’t that result in damage?
I suppose we need to discuss what level of physical change is required before it becomes “damage”.
I’d suggest that if there is no physical change visible to the naked eye, we could consider them undamaged.
Hmm.. so disregarding “damage”.. Can we use lasers?
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Tap them with your fingernail or a wooden spoon. The hollow one will ring a bit like a bell. The solid one will sound duller.
That was my first thought.
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Tap them with your fingernail or a wooden spoon. The hollow one will ring a bit like a bell. The solid one will sound duller.
That was my first thought.
There’s always that but surely if it is hollow, then it is a tube and one can look through it.
and then there’s the colour. How can they seem identical when naturally they are different colours?
roughbarked said:
and then there’s the colour. How can they seem identical when naturally they are different colours?
ChrispenEvan said:
Depends.
With reasonable assumptions, the answer is:
None of the listed values.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
aota
Depends.
With reasonable assumptions, the answer is:
None of the listed values.
well guess that should just about cover it
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Michael V said:Tap them with your fingernail or a wooden spoon. The hollow one will ring a bit like a bell. The solid one will sound duller.
That was my first thought.
There’s always that but surely if it is hollow, then it is a tube and one can look through it.
Good point.
I just assumed they meant the tubes had a circular plate at each end, but it doesn’t actually say that.
ChrispenEvan said:
The non-floating bit is probably the nod they are looking for..
you could pretty easily determine their density using Archimedes Principle
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:That was my first thought.
There’s always that but surely if it is hollow, then it is a tube and one can look through it.
Good point.
I just assumed they meant the tubes had a circular plate at each end, but it doesn’t actually say that.
it does say cylinders though… not tube… a cylinder implies closed ends
if you strike each with a tuning fork, or gently heat each and measure heat loss… that should show a difference
diddly-squat said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The non-floating bit is probably the nod they are looking for..
you could pretty easily determine their density using Archimedes Principle
they have to run down the street naked?
diddly-squat said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The non-floating bit is probably the nod they are looking for..
you could pretty easily determine their density using Archimedes Principle
How?
They have equal mass and volumes.
I mean the weight itself would give it away
you know the dimensions, you know the two construction materials.. you can easily calculate the weight of the brass cylinder
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:That was my first thought.
There’s always that but surely if it is hollow, then it is a tube and one can look through it.
Good point.
I just assumed they meant the tubes had a circular plate at each end, but it doesn’t actually say that.
It does not specify end caps on the hollow one. The soliid one obvioulsy is solid.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The non-floating bit is probably the nod they are looking for..
you could pretty easily determine their density using Archimedes Principle
How?
They have equal mass and volumes.
then the questions is flawed.. how can a hollow cylinder made of lighter material have the same mass as a solid cylinder of the same dimensions made from heavier material?
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:There’s always that but surely if it is hollow, then it is a tube and one can look through it.
Good point.
I just assumed they meant the tubes had a circular plate at each end, but it doesn’t actually say that.
it does say cylinders though… not tube… a cylinder implies closed ends
if you strike each with a tuning fork, or gently heat each and measure heat loss… that should show a difference
Yes. The tuning fork is good. I suppose gentle heat shouldnit transform their state enough to be considered changed.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:The non-floating bit is probably the nod they are looking for..
you could pretty easily determine their density using Archimedes Principle
How?
They have equal mass and volumes.
then the questions is flawed.. how can a hollow cylinder made of lighter material have the same mass as a solid cylinder of the same dimensions made from heavier material?
Since when was brass lighter than aluminium?
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:The non-floating bit is probably the nod they are looking for..
you could pretty easily determine their density using Archimedes Principle
How?
They have equal mass and volumes.
then the questions is flawed.. how can a hollow cylinder made of lighter material have the same mass as a solid cylinder of the same dimensions made from heavier material?
roughbarked said:
and then there’s the colour. How can they seem identical when naturally they are different colours?
Fair point.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How?
They have equal mass and volumes.
then the questions is flawed.. how can a hollow cylinder made of lighter material have the same mass as a solid cylinder of the same dimensions made from heavier material?
Since when was brass lighter than aluminium?
what? brass is about three times more dense than aluminum
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
and then there’s the colour. How can they seem identical when naturally they are different colours?
Fair point.
Except it says they are painted the same colour.
ChrispenEvan said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:How?
They have equal mass and volumes.
then the questions is flawed.. how can a hollow cylinder made of lighter material have the same mass as a solid cylinder of the same dimensions made from heavier material?
ahh.. my dyslexia strikes again
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
and then there’s the colour. How can they seem identical when naturally they are different colours?
Fair point.
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:then the questions is flawed.. how can a hollow cylinder made of lighter material have the same mass as a solid cylinder of the same dimensions made from heavier material?
Since when was brass lighter than aluminium?
what? brass is about three times more dense than aluminum
You might like to re-read the question and make sure all your assumptions are correct.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:Since when was brass lighter than aluminium?
what? brass is about three times more dense than aluminum
You might like to re-read the question and make sure all your assumptions are correct.
ain’t nobody got time fo dat!
diddly-squat said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The non-floating bit is probably the nod they are looking for..
you could pretty easily determine their density using Archimedes Principle
Only if you can expel the air from the hollow object. If you can’t expel the air then the average density of the objects is identical.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:what? brass is about three times more dense than aluminum
You might like to re-read the question and make sure all your assumptions are correct.
ain’t nobody got time fo dat!
clearly
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:then the questions is flawed.. how can a hollow cylinder made of lighter material have the same mass as a solid cylinder of the same dimensions made from heavier material?
Since when was brass lighter than aluminium?
what? brass is about three times more dense than aluminum
Have alook at what you said and re-read the question.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
and then there’s the colour. How can they seem identical when naturally they are different colours?
Fair point.
Except it says they are painted the same colour.
Ah. I must have glossed over that?
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:You might like to re-read the question and make sure all your assumptions are correct.
ain’t nobody got time fo dat!
clearly
they are just lucky i am here and in a good mood…otherwise…
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:ain’t nobody got time fo dat!
clearly
they are just lucky i am here and in a good mood…otherwise…
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
and then there’s the colour. How can they seem identical when naturally they are different colours?
Fair point.
Fair point.
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
ChrispenEvan said:ain’t nobody got time fo dat!
clearly
they are just lucky i am here and in a good mood…otherwise…
Yes, been showing admirable restraint this morning :)
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Fair point.
Fair point.
They’ll sound different if you give them a tap with a metal hammer.
Also, I could just use my ultrasonic thickness sensor to see how thick the walls, if any, are.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Fair point.
They’ll sound different if you give them a tap with a metal hammer.
Also, I could just use my ultrasonic thickness sensor to see how thick the walls, if any, are.
A metal hammer may damage the surfaces.
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Fair point.
They’ll sound different if you give them a tap with a metal hammer.
Also, I could just use my ultrasonic thickness sensor to see how thick the walls, if any, are.
Portable XRF…
I think the rolling them down an incline is probably the answer. The moment if inertia depends on the distribution of mass, not the overall weight, like how an ice skater can speed or or slow down depending on how they wide they make their spin.
diddly-squat said:
I think the rolling them down an incline is probably the answer. The moment if inertia depends on the distribution of mass, not the overall weight, like how an ice skater can speed or or slow down depending on how they wide they make their spin.
Yes.
ChrispenEvan said:
OK, let’s make some reasonable assumptions:
1) The Earth “shrinks” because the matter in the outer half suddenly disappears.
2) The average density of the remaining inner half is double the density of the whole planet.
3) We are interested in the gravity at the new surface, not the gravity at the location of the old surface.
With those assumptions the gravitational force would not change.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
OK, let’s make some reasonable assumptions:
1) The Earth “shrinks” because the matter in the outer half suddenly disappears.
2) The average density of the remaining inner half is double the density of the whole planet.
3) We are interested in the gravity at the new surface, not the gravity at the location of the old surface.With those assumptions the gravitational force would not change.
i think it is assuming the mass doesn’t change.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
OK, let’s make some reasonable assumptions:
1) The Earth “shrinks” because the matter in the outer half suddenly disappears.
2) The average density of the remaining inner half is double the density of the whole planet.
3) We are interested in the gravity at the new surface, not the gravity at the location of the old surface.With those assumptions the gravitational force would not change.
i think it is assuming the mass doesn’t change.
OK, then I will take the question as referring to the acceleration due to gravity at the location of the current surface, and it still won’t change.
Current opinion is that eddy is still the better answer.
furious said:
Spiny Norman said:
Michael V said:Fair point.
They’ll sound different if you give them a tap with a metal hammer.
Also, I could just use my ultrasonic thickness sensor to see how thick the walls, if any, are.
Portable XRF…
:)
SCIENCE said:
Current opinion is that eddy is still the better answer.
Maybe if you told us which Eddy you are referring to we could consider that further.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Current opinion is that eddy is still the better answer.
Maybe if you told us which Eddy you are referring to we could consider that further.
the current one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK, let’s make some reasonable assumptions:
1) The Earth “shrinks” because the matter in the outer half suddenly disappears.
2) The average density of the remaining inner half is double the density of the whole planet.
3) We are interested in the gravity at the new surface, not the gravity at the location of the old surface.With those assumptions the gravitational force would not change.
i think it is assuming the mass doesn’t change.
OK, then I will take the question as referring to the acceleration due to gravity at the location of the current surface, and it still won’t change.
When they say half size, do they mean volume or diameter?
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, let’s make some reasonable assumptions:
1) The Earth “shrinks” because the matter in the outer half suddenly disappears.
2) The average density of the remaining inner half is double the density of the whole planet.
3) We are interested in the gravity at the new surface, not the gravity at the location of the old surface.With those assumptions the gravitational force would not change.
i think it is assuming the mass doesn’t change.
OK, then I will take the question as referring to the acceleration due to gravity at the location of the current surface, and it still won’t change.
Agreed, hence all answers out by a multiplicative factor are correct since 0F = 0 for all F since gravity is not acceleration but spacetime.
SCIENCE said:
Current opinion is that eddy is still the better answer.
Please explain.
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:i think it is assuming the mass doesn’t change.
OK, then I will take the question as referring to the acceleration due to gravity at the location of the current surface, and it still won’t change.
When they say half size, do they mean volume or diameter?
I had wondered that, too.
Michael V said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK, then I will take the question as referring to the acceleration due to gravity at the location of the current surface, and it still won’t change.
When they say half size, do they mean volume or diameter?
I had wondered that, too.
Yes, good point. I admit to just assuming they meant the diameter, but it certainly could be the volume.
ChrispenEvan said:
Honestly, any number of ways. Just hold them identically and give them a spin, the hollow one will have greater rotational inertia. They will have a different eddy current density if you apply a varying magnetic field: aluminium has much stronger paramagnetic properties.
Just dong them, the hollow one should ring.
I dare say you could come up with half a dozen other ways.
Michael V said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK, then I will take the question as referring to the acceleration due to gravity at the location of the current surface, and it still won’t change.
When they say half size, do they mean volume or diameter?
I had wondered that, too.
I think diameter. you have to remember these are set as fairly simple tests. if they were set for a more rigorous audience then they would be worded better. so with that in mind we can assume, rightly or wrongly, that the mass remains the same. the diameter is half. and we are talking about the acceleration due to gravity on the new surface.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Honestly, any number of ways. Just hold them identically and give them a spin, the hollow one will have greater rotational inertia. They will have a different eddy current density if you apply a varying magnetic field: aluminium has much stronger paramagnetic properties.
Just dong them, the hollow one should ring.
I dare say you could come up with half a dozen other ways.
I daresay we have by now.
ChrispenEvan said:
Accelerate them to extremely high speeds in deep space (negligible gravitational fields) and measure the heating (under acceleration) due to Unruh radiation. The solid one will be hotter.
Alternatively, suspend them just outside the event horizon of a black hole and measure the heating due to Hawking radiation. Again, the solid one will be hotter.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
furious said:When they say half size, do they mean volume or diameter?
I had wondered that, too.
I think diameter. you have to remember these are set as fairly simple tests. if they were set for a more rigorous audience then they would be worded better. so with that in mind we can assume, rightly or wrongly, that the mass remains the same. the diameter is half. and we are talking about the acceleration due to gravity on the new surface.
So we can just apply the boring old universal gravity equation?
Where’s the fun in that?
btm said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Accelerate them to extremely high speeds in deep space (negligible gravitational fields) and measure the heating (under acceleration) due to Unruh radiation. The solid one will be hotter.
Alternatively, suspend them just outside the event horizon of a black hole and measure the heating due to Hawking radiation. Again, the solid one will be hotter.
That’s getting to the extremes. Again, how can you assure they will nnot be damaged in the process of gettiing them off the p,anet?
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:I had wondered that, too.
I think diameter. you have to remember these are set as fairly simple tests. if they were set for a more rigorous audience then they would be worded better. so with that in mind we can assume, rightly or wrongly, that the mass remains the same. the diameter is half. and we are talking about the acceleration due to gravity on the new surface.
So we can just apply the boring old universal gravity equation?
Where’s the fun in that?
well, you could work it out for all scenarios.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:I think diameter. you have to remember these are set as fairly simple tests. if they were set for a more rigorous audience then they would be worded better. so with that in mind we can assume, rightly or wrongly, that the mass remains the same. the diameter is half. and we are talking about the acceleration due to gravity on the new surface.
So we can just apply the boring old universal gravity equation?
Where’s the fun in that?
well, you could work it out for all scenarios.
Something to keep the aging grey cells active.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
I had wondered that, too.
I think diameter. you have to remember these are set as fairly simple tests. if they were set for a more rigorous audience then they would be worded better. so with that in mind we can assume, rightly or wrongly, that the mass remains the same. the diameter is half. and we are talking about the acceleration due to gravity on the new surface.
So we can just apply the boring old universal gravity equation?
Where’s the fun in that?
in any timeplace past the event horizon
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I think diameter. you have to remember these are set as fairly simple tests. if they were set for a more rigorous audience then they would be worded better. so with that in mind we can assume, rightly or wrongly, that the mass remains the same. the diameter is half. and we are talking about the acceleration due to gravity on the new surface.
So we can just apply the boring old universal gravity equation?
Where’s the fun in that?
well, you could work it out for all scenarios.
aota
ChrispenEvan said:
Assuming relative density profile remains the same, g/2
ChrispenEvan said:
I asked Ms Kingy, and she said “Just ask the person that made them”.
Kingy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I asked Ms Kingy, and she said “Just ask the person that made them”.
Then asked if a strong magnet would tell them apart.
Kingy said:
Kingy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I asked Ms Kingy, and she said “Just ask the person that made them”.
Then asked if a strong magnet would tell them apart.
both fair and true
This one’s easy! They all have at least one vowel and at least two consonants.
Next!
JudgeMental said:
They’re all butterflies.
JudgeMental said:
All brands of cat food.
JudgeMental said:
They all have vowels in them.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
They all have vowels in them.
That they do.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
They all have vowels in them.
That they do.
they all start like days of the week.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:They all have vowels in them.
That they do.
they all start like days of the week.
Well spotted. They are in order too like a royal flush.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:That’s probably the official answer.Michael V said:they all start like days of the week.They all have vowels in them.That they do.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:They all have vowels in them.
That they do.
they all start like days of the week.
And in order, too!
Apply a gold star to that woman’s forehead.
:)
OCDC said:
Arts said:roughbarked said:That’s probably the official answer.That they do.they all start like days of the week.
So why did they leave out Tuesday and Wednesday?
Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:
Arts said:they all start like days of the week.That’s probably the official answer.
So why did they leave out Tuesday and Wednesday?
With the monarch it is like a royal straight flush.
Michael V said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:That they do.
they all start like days of the week.
And in order, too!
Apply a gold star to that woman’s forehead.
:)
I’ll pass on the star and allowing anyone getting close to me to apply it
JudgeMental said:
Well other than the too obvious things, like they are all English, or they all start with the first three letters of the weekdays from Thu to Mon, I just don’t know.
Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:That is not for mere mortals to fathom.Arts said:So why did they leave out Tuesday and Wednesday?they all start like days of the week.That’s probably the official answer.
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
They all have vowels in them.
First three letters are the same as day names
dv said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
They all have vowels in them.
First three letters are the same as day names
It is definitely Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Monday.
Bugger Tuesday and Wednesday unless the question was, what comes next. However, this could all be a trick to make one blur out other possibilities.
I think they’d have struggled with Tuesday but they could have gone with Weddings.
So bit of a fail this this time in terms of teasingness and pedanticism.
Ian said:
So bit of a fail this this time in terms of teasingness and pedanticism.
Oh I don’t know.
If they really are all butterflies and/or brands of cat food, those are at least as good answers as the obvious days of the week one.
I’m going for the butterflies, because this is the ABC and wouldn’t be involved in promoting cat foods.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
So bit of a fail this this time in terms of teasingness and pedanticism.Oh I don’t know.
If they really are all butterflies and/or brands of cat food, those are at least as good answers as the obvious days of the week one.
I’m going for the butterflies, because this is the ABC and wouldn’t be involved in promoting cat foods.
Hmm.. see what I mean.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:They’re not all brands of cat food I’ve encountered.So bit of a fail this this time in terms of teasingness and pedanticism.Oh I don’t know.
If they really are all butterflies and/or brands of cat food, those are at least as good answers as the obvious days of the week one.
I’m going for the butterflies, because this is the ABC and wouldn’t be involved in promoting cat foods.
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Ian said:They’re not all brands of cat food I’ve encountered.So bit of a fail this this time in terms of teasingness and pedanticism.Oh I don’t know.
If they really are all butterflies and/or brands of cat food, those are at least as good answers as the obvious days of the week one.
I’m going for the butterflies, because this is the ABC and wouldn’t be involved in promoting cat foods.
I was jesting.
Bubblecar said:
OCDC said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Oh I don’t know.They’re not all brands of cat food I’ve encountered.If they really are all butterflies and/or brands of cat food, those are at least as good answers as the obvious days of the week one.
I’m going for the butterflies, because this is the ABC and wouldn’t be involved in promoting cat foods.
I was jesting.
I’m struggling to find any references to a Sundry Butterfly as well, so it’s looking like we might have to dump that option as well.
Arts said:
Michael V said:
Arts said:
they all start like days of the week.
And in order, too!
Apply a gold star to that woman’s forehead.
:)
I’ll pass on the star and allowing anyone getting close to me to apply it
VIETNAM
nice easy one today.
JudgeMental said:
nice easy one today.
Pee scoop.. like a poo scoop.. not really an instrument tho
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
nice easy one today.
Pee scoop.. like a poo scoop.. not really an instrument tho
That’s a telescope
and the first one is microscope.
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
nice easy one today.
Pee scoop.. like a poo scoop.. not really an instrument tho
That’s a telescope
and the first one is microscope.
Third one, spectrometer?
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
nice easy one today.
Pee scoop.. like a poo scoop.. not really an instrument tho
That’s a telescope
and the first one is microscope.
Ah, IC. I was looking to match whole words. No wonder..
Ian said:
roughbarked said:
Ian said:Pee scoop.. like a poo scoop.. not really an instrument tho
That’s a telescope
and the first one is microscope.
Ah, IC. I was looking to match whole words. No wonder..
I’m currently trying geo something on the second one.
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
roughbarked said:That’s a telescope
and the first one is microscope.
Ah, IC. I was looking to match whole words. No wonder..
I’m currently trying geo something on the second one.
but it is: Galvanonmeter.
JudgeMental said:
nice easy one today.
My only source of pedantry so far is that I didn’t think it was that easy.
The questions
1 Who was the first woman named as heir to the English throne?
2 What safety device is known as a “donkey’s back” in France?
3 Which Strictly champion is president of the British Board of Film Classification?
4 Grey and common, or harbour, are UK resident species of what?
5 Which former US president led an expedition into the Amazon?
6 “Out of the strong came forth sweetness” is written on tins of what?
7 Which venue opened in 2023 with a residency by U2?
8 In 45 years, Marion Tinsley lost only seven times at what game?
What links:
9 As; sestertius; denarius; aureus?
10 Brian; Gary; Speedy; Turbo?
11 Andouillette; baodu; chitlins; haggis; menudo; patsas?
12 Departure Lounge; The City & the City; 12 Rules for Life; My Life on a Plate?
13 Black Sabbath; Robert Downey Jr; Ted Hughes?
14 Lorenzo Da Ponte; Emanuel Schikaneder; Johann Gottlieb Stephanie?
15 Mammoth, Kentucky; Postojna, Slovenia; Son Doong, Vietnam; Three Counties, UK?
answers next post.
The answers
1 Matilda.
2 Speed bump (dos d’âne).
3 Natasha Kaplinsky.
4 Seal.
5 Teddy Roosevelt.
6 Lyle’s golden syrup.
7 Sphere, Las Vegas.
8 Draughts (checkers).
9 Roman coins of various metals: copper; brass; silver; gold.
10 Fictional snails: Magic Roundabout; SpongeBob SquarePants; Timon & Pumbaa TV series; DreamWorks film.
11 Offal/tripe dishes: French; Chinese; US; Scottish; Mexican; Greek.
12 Books by writers with country first names: Chad Taylor; China Miéville; Jordan Peterson; India Knight.
13 Iron Man: 1970 song; played in Marvel films; wrote children’s book.
14 Librettists for Mozart’s operas.
15 Cave systems.
Bogsnorkler said:
The answers
1 Matilda.
2 Speed bump (dos d’âne).
3 Natasha Kaplinsky.
4 Seal.
5 Teddy Roosevelt.
6 Lyle’s golden syrup.
7 Sphere, Las Vegas.
8 Draughts (checkers).
9 Roman coins of various metals: copper; brass; silver; gold.
10 Fictional snails: Magic Roundabout; SpongeBob SquarePants; Timon & Pumbaa TV series; DreamWorks film.
11 Offal/tripe dishes: French; Chinese; US; Scottish; Mexican; Greek.
12 Books by writers with country first names: Chad Taylor; China Miéville; Jordan Peterson; India Knight.
13 Iron Man: 1970 song; played in Marvel films; wrote children’s book.
14 Librettists for Mozart’s operas.
15 Cave systems.
I knew Teddy Roosvelt
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The answers
1 Matilda.
2 Speed bump (dos d’âne).
3 Natasha Kaplinsky.
4 Seal.
5 Teddy Roosevelt.
6 Lyle’s golden syrup.
7 Sphere, Las Vegas.
8 Draughts (checkers).
9 Roman coins of various metals: copper; brass; silver; gold.
10 Fictional snails: Magic Roundabout; SpongeBob SquarePants; Timon & Pumbaa TV series; DreamWorks film.
11 Offal/tripe dishes: French; Chinese; US; Scottish; Mexican; Greek.
12 Books by writers with country first names: Chad Taylor; China Miéville; Jordan Peterson; India Knight.
13 Iron Man: 1970 song; played in Marvel films; wrote children’s book.
14 Librettists for Mozart’s operas.
15 Cave systems.
I knew Teddy Roosvelt
And the seals.
Bogsnorkler said:
The questions
1 Who was the first woman named as heir to the English throne?
2 What safety device is known as a “donkey’s back” in France?
3 Which Strictly champion is president of the British Board of Film Classification?
4 Grey and common, or harbour, are UK resident species of what?
5 Which former US president led an expedition into the Amazon?
6 “Out of the strong came forth sweetness” is written on tins of what?
7 Which venue opened in 2023 with a residency by U2?
8 In 45 years, Marion Tinsley lost only seven times at what game?
What links:
9 As; sestertius; denarius; aureus?
10 Brian; Gary; Speedy; Turbo?
11 Andouillette; baodu; chitlins; haggis; menudo; patsas?
12 Departure Lounge; The City & the City; 12 Rules for Life; My Life on a Plate?
13 Black Sabbath; Robert Downey Jr; Ted Hughes?
14 Lorenzo Da Ponte; Emanuel Schikaneder; Johann Gottlieb Stephanie?
15 Mammoth, Kentucky; Postojna, Slovenia; Son Doong, Vietnam; Three Counties, UK?answers next post.
I know the answer to one of those.
I think.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The questions
1 Who was the first woman named as heir to the English throne?
2 What safety device is known as a “donkey’s back” in France?
3 Which Strictly champion is president of the British Board of Film Classification?
4 Grey and common, or harbour, are UK resident species of what?
5 Which former US president led an expedition into the Amazon?
6 “Out of the strong came forth sweetness” is written on tins of what?
7 Which venue opened in 2023 with a residency by U2?
8 In 45 years, Marion Tinsley lost only seven times at what game?
What links:
9 As; sestertius; denarius; aureus?
10 Brian; Gary; Speedy; Turbo?
11 Andouillette; baodu; chitlins; haggis; menudo; patsas?
12 Departure Lounge; The City & the City; 12 Rules for Life; My Life on a Plate?
13 Black Sabbath; Robert Downey Jr; Ted Hughes?
14 Lorenzo Da Ponte; Emanuel Schikaneder; Johann Gottlieb Stephanie?
15 Mammoth, Kentucky; Postojna, Slovenia; Son Doong, Vietnam; Three Counties, UK?answers next post.
I know the answer to one of those.
I think.
I know 4, 5, and 9
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The questions
1 Who was the first woman named as heir to the English throne?
2 What safety device is known as a “donkey’s back” in France?
3 Which Strictly champion is president of the British Board of Film Classification?
4 Grey and common, or harbour, are UK resident species of what?
5 Which former US president led an expedition into the Amazon?
6 “Out of the strong came forth sweetness” is written on tins of what?
7 Which venue opened in 2023 with a residency by U2?
8 In 45 years, Marion Tinsley lost only seven times at what game?
What links:
9 As; sestertius; denarius; aureus?
10 Brian; Gary; Speedy; Turbo?
11 Andouillette; baodu; chitlins; haggis; menudo; patsas?
12 Departure Lounge; The City & the City; 12 Rules for Life; My Life on a Plate?
13 Black Sabbath; Robert Downey Jr; Ted Hughes?
14 Lorenzo Da Ponte; Emanuel Schikaneder; Johann Gottlieb Stephanie?
15 Mammoth, Kentucky; Postojna, Slovenia; Son Doong, Vietnam; Three Counties, UK?answers next post.
I know the answer to one of those.
I think.
I know 4, 5, and 9
I got 4,5, and 6.
Kingy said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I know the answer to one of those.
I think.
I know 4, 5, and 9
I got 4,5, and 6.
1, 5
and sort of 7. I know of the building, but called it the wrong name.
Bogsnorkler said:
Is this one of those ‘how many Rs are in the word ‘strawberry’ bizzos’?
Bogsnorkler said:
I’m tempted to say one, but I’ll go for fifteen.
But both of those contain “e”, so I don’t know.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I’m tempted to say one, but I’ll go for fifteen.
But both of those contain “e”, so I don’t know.
Maake that 19.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I’m tempted to say one, but I’ll go for fifteen.
But both of those contain “e”, so I don’t know.
Maake that 19.
Should have just asked the bing-bot:
“Interestingly, none of the numbers from 1 to 999 contain the letter “e” when written out in English12. The first number to include an “e” is one thousand.
Isn’t it fascinating how the English language works? If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!”
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m tempted to say one, but I’ll go for fifteen.
But both of those contain “e”, so I don’t know.
Maake that 19.
Should have just asked the bing-bot:
“Interestingly, none of the numbers from 1 to 999 contain the letter “e” when written out in English12. The first number to include an “e” is one thousand.
Isn’t it fascinating how the English language works? If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!”
How do you spell 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Maake that 19.
Should have just asked the bing-bot:
“Interestingly, none of the numbers from 1 to 999 contain the letter “e” when written out in English12. The first number to include an “e” is one thousand.
Isn’t it fascinating how the English language works? If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!”
How do you spell 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc
And what about 8?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Should have just asked the bing-bot:
“Interestingly, none of the numbers from 1 to 999 contain the letter “e” when written out in English12. The first number to include an “e” is one thousand.
Isn’t it fascinating how the English language works? If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!”
How do you spell 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc
And what about 8?
etc. covers all the others.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Maake that 19.
Should have just asked the bing-bot:
“Interestingly, none of the numbers from 1 to 999 contain the letter “e” when written out in English12. The first number to include an “e” is one thousand.
Isn’t it fascinating how the English language works? If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!”
How do you spell 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:How do you spell 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 etc
And what about 8?
etc. covers all the others.
Fairy nuff.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I’m tempted to say one, but I’ll go for fifteen.
But both of those contain “e”, so I don’t know.
Make that 19.
19 seems correct.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m tempted to say one, but I’ll go for fifteen.
But both of those contain “e”, so I don’t know.
Make that 19.
19 seems correct.
Thought I’d give ChatGPT a go.
It had much more convoluted reasoning, but the final answer was:
Thus, there are 852 numbers between 1 and 1000 that do not contain the letter “e.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Make that 19.
19 seems correct.
Thought I’d give ChatGPT a go.
It had much more convoluted reasoning, but the final answer was:
Thus, there are 852 numbers between 1 and 1000 that do not contain the letter “e.”
So, not very intelligent at all.
Unless this is some stupid trick
2 4 6
30 32 34 36
40 42 44 46
50 52 54 56
60 62 64 66
I Count 19.
-1.783888
dv said:
Unless this is some stupid trick2 4 6
30 32 34 36
40 42 44 46
50 52 54 56
60 62 64 66I Count 19.
-1.783888
So, we’re all agreed.
Other than the bots of course.
dv said:
Unless this is some stupid trick2 4 6
30 32 34 36
40 42 44 46
50 52 54 56
60 62 64 66I Count 19.
-1.783888
Intrigued.
What is -1.783888 about?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Unless this is some stupid trick2 4 6
30 32 34 36
40 42 44 46
50 52 54 56
60 62 64 66I Count 19.
-1.783888
So, we’re all agreed.
Other than the bots of course.
btw I tried asking Google and it didn’t even bother answering the actual question, but it did point out that there are no numbers between zero and 999 that contain the letter a, which is presumably where the Bingbot got its misguided response from.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Unless this is some stupid trick2 4 6
30 32 34 36
40 42 44 46
50 52 54 56
60 62 64 66I Count 19.
-1.783888
Intrigued.
What is -1.783888 about?
The bingbot says it’s something about a small buffer error.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Unless this is some stupid trick2 4 6
30 32 34 36
40 42 44 46
50 52 54 56
60 62 64 66I Count 19.
-1.783888
Intrigued.
What is -1.783888 about?
The bingbot says it’s something about a small buffer error.
Google has nothing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Unless this is some stupid trick2 4 6
30 32 34 36
40 42 44 46
50 52 54 56
60 62 64 66I Count 19.
-1.783888
So, we’re all agreed.
Other than the bots of course.
btw I tried asking Google and it didn’t even bother answering the actual question, but it did point out that there are no numbers between zero and 999 that contain the letter a, which is presumably where the Bingbot got its misguided response from.
Pretty sure there’s an a in “two hundred and five”.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So, we’re all agreed.
Other than the bots of course.
btw I tried asking Google and it didn’t even bother answering the actual question, but it did point out that there are no numbers between zero and 999 that contain the letter a, which is presumably where the Bingbot got its misguided response from.
Pretty sure there’s an a in “two hundred and five”.
Obviously the bots don’t use the redundant “and”.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:btw I tried asking Google and it didn’t even bother answering the actual question, but it did point out that there are no numbers between zero and 999 that contain the letter a, which is presumably where the Bingbot got its misguided response from.
Pretty sure there’s an a in “two hundred and five”.
Obviously the bots don’t use the redundant “and”.
It may well be an American thing. And so their robots.
Bogsnorkler said:
Well one answer would be 14
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well one answer would be 14
yes. which is why i posted it. rev can get all in a tither about which answer to use.
Bogsnorkler said:
So many answers but the definitive answer is 11.25 I believe.
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well one answer would be 14
I’ll go with this, too.
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes, that is correct.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
So many answers but the definitive answer is 11.25 I believe.
Except on a leap year.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well one answer would be 14
yes. which is why i posted it. rev can get all in a tither about which answer to use.
Perfectly happy with the answer I have given thanks.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:Well one answer would be 14
yes. which is why i posted it. rev can get all in a tither about which answer to use.
Perfectly happy with the answer I have given thanks.
No pedantry? Who are you and what have you done with Rev?!?
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:yes. which is why i posted it. rev can get all in a tither about which answer to use.
Perfectly happy with the answer I have given thanks.
No pedantry? Who are you and what have you done with Rev?!?
The thing says the answer is not defined, and that is clearly correct.
No true pedant would argue with that.
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.
I think PWM nailed it.
dv said:
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.I think PWM nailed it.
If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.I think PWM nailed it.
If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
The number of squares in the diagram.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.I think PWM nailed it.
If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
It’s the number of rectangles with the same aspect ratio as the main rectangle.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.I think PWM nailed it.
If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
The number of squares in the diagram.
OK.
Or number of rectangles with an equal number of segments on each side, if dv is being pedantic.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.I think PWM nailed it.
If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
It’s the number of rectangles with the same aspect ratio as the main rectangle.
Thanks for the improved pedantry.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.I think PWM nailed it.
If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’ll tell you what though, I’d be happier with my answer if these were squares.I think PWM nailed it.
If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
I get 7.2
7.5?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:If you people are insisting on a specific answer, I would have gone for 11.25, but since that one is taken I’ll say 10.
Can’t see how you all get 14 at the moment.
I get 7.27.5?
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:I get 7.2
7.5?
Oops 9 squares not 6. So 1.25 × 9 = 11.25
OK.
7.5 is based on width + height rather than area.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:7.5?
Oops 9 squares not 6. So 1.25 × 9 = 11.25OK.
7.5 is based on width + height rather than area.
I thought BMI was based on width + height. Oops, no that’s weight & height.
It’s an absolutely terrible “teaser”. You need three to establish a pattern and a fourth to test.
dv said:
It’s an absolutely terrible “teaser”. You need three to establish a pattern and a fourth to test.
Thank you. I am trying.
Bogsnorkler said:
8
dv said:
It’s an absolutely terrible “teaser”. You need three to establish a pattern and a fourth to test.
depends
Thanks quora!
dv said:
Thanks quora!
How good is Artificial Intelligence…
Michael V said:
dv said:
Thanks quora!
How good is Artificial Intelligence…
Challenge to you all: come up with a satisfactory solution to this riddle. Every answer I have seen online has been complete bullshit.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Thanks quora!
How good is Artificial Intelligence…
Challenge to you all: come up with a satisfactory solution to this riddle. Every answer I have seen online has been complete bullshit.
Just looked at a few answers to this riddle and I agree. all stretch it to make a fit.
Bogsnorkler said:
dv said:
Michael V said:How good is Artificial Intelligence…
Challenge to you all: come up with a satisfactory solution to this riddle. Every answer I have seen online has been complete bullshit.
Just looked at a few answers to this riddle and I agree. all stretch it to make a fit.
It’s “gry” all over again
The digits 1,2,3,4 & 5 can be rearranged to form many 5 digit positive integers.
How many different combinations have the 1 to the left of the 2?
Kingy said:
The digits 1,2,3,4 & 5 can be rearranged to form many 5 digit positive integers.How many different combinations have the 1 to the left of the 2?
4! + 3! + 2! + 1
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
The digits 1,2,3,4 & 5 can be rearranged to form many 5 digit positive integers.How many different combinations have the 1 to the left of the 2?
4! + 3! + 2! + 1
… or to be more accurate, many more than suggested above.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
The digits 1,2,3,4 & 5 can be rearranged to form many 5 digit positive integers.How many different combinations have the 1 to the left of the 2?
4! + 3! + 2! + 1
Incorrect, but you are on the right track.
60
SCIENCE said:
60
Having given this due consideration, I think the scientific answer is correct.
SCIENCE said:
60
Yep.
5! / 2
Bogsnorkler said:
Nup that one is too hard.
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:
60
Yep.
5! / 2
OK, that’s the simplest solution, now you put it like that.
My method was:
Wherever 1 and 2 go, the other 3 can be arranged in 3! = 6 ways.
Depending where 1 goes, there will be 4, 3, 2, or 1 places where the 2 can go.
So the total number = (4+3+2+1) × 6 = 60.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
SCIENCE said:
60
Yep.
5! / 2
OK, that’s the simplest solution, now you put it like that.
My method was:
Wherever 1 and 2 go, the other 3 can be arranged in 3! = 6 ways.
Depending where 1 goes, there will be 4, 3, 2, or 1 places where the 2 can go.So the total number = (4+3+2+1) × 6 = 60.
start with 12 then find space
yes
Bogsnorkler said:
At the moment I see no possible answer to that question, other than:
yes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
At the moment I see no possible answer to that question, other than:
yes.
But with a little pedantry, I can work around it.
Suppose on the way out he reaches some “point” at 12:00, and stops for lunch, leaving at 12:30.
On the way back he reaches that point at 12:05, and doesn’t stop there.
That will be the only place where his time-position lines intersect, but he “passed” that point at different times.
So the answer is: not always.
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes. this is a classic example of the Intermediate Value Theorem in calculus.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
At the moment I see no possible answer to that question, other than:
yes.
But with a little pedantry, I can work around it.
Suppose on the way out he reaches some “point” at 12:00, and stops for lunch, leaving at 12:30.
On the way back he reaches that point at 12:05, and doesn’t stop there.That will be the only place where his time-position lines intersect, but he “passed” that point at different times.
So the answer is: not always.
And with further pedantry:
Assuming the track has finite width, he may never pass the same points at all.
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes. this is a classic example of the Intermediate Value Theorem in calculus.
You maths people and your lines of zero width. Shakes head.
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes. this is a classic example of the Intermediate Value Theorem in calculus.
Absolutely. Using Reimann manifolds you can estimate the lambda possibility space and calculate the Boolean values accordingly.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes. this is a classic example of the Intermediate Value Theorem in calculus.
Absolutely. Using Reimann manifolds you can estimate the lambda possibility space and calculate the Boolean values accordingly.
I did have to use my scientific abacus to do the calc…
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes.
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
At the moment I see no possible answer to that question, other than:
yes.
Of course.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
At the moment I see no possible answer to that question, other than:
yes.
But with a little pedantry, I can work around it.
Suppose on the way out he reaches some “point” at 12:00, and stops for lunch, leaving at 12:30.
On the way back he reaches that point at 12:05, and doesn’t stop there.That will be the only place where his time-position lines intersect, but he “passed” that point at different times.
So the answer is: not always.
But still leaves other points.
Bogsnorkler said:
The easiest way to think about this is to imagine two monks walking, one up and one down. Their paths will always cross at some point.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:At the moment I see no possible answer to that question, other than:
yes.
But with a little pedantry, I can work around it.
Suppose on the way out he reaches some “point” at 12:00, and stops for lunch, leaving at 12:30.
On the way back he reaches that point at 12:05, and doesn’t stop there.That will be the only place where his time-position lines intersect, but he “passed” that point at different times.
So the answer is: not always.
But still leaves other points.
It doesn’t leave other points passed at the same time of day.
Apart from which the question doesn’t even specify that he comes down the same path.
Tamb said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Yes.
Why is the monk traipsing up & down hills instead of being inside praying?
Carrying barrels of water to the monastery at the top of the hill.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
dv said:Yes.
Why is the monk traipsing up & down hills instead of being inside praying?Carrying barrels of water to the monastery at the top of the hill.
In which case the time to travel the same distance would vary. Unless say, he’s carrying a barrel of wine back?
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The easiest way to think about this is to imagine two monks walking, one up and one down. Their paths will always cross at some point.
Nice explanation.
:)
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The easiest way to think about this is to imagine two monks walking, one up and one down. Their paths will always cross at some point.
Nice explanation.
:)
and it may not always be the same point but they will however cross at a point.
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
dv said:Yes.
Why is the monk traipsing up & down hills instead of being inside praying?Carrying barrels of water to the monastery at the top of the hill.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:The easiest way to think about this is to imagine two monks walking, one up and one down. Their paths will always cross at some point.
Nice explanation.
:)
and it may not always be the same point but they will however cross at a point.
I’m quite distressed that everyone else is ignoring the perfectly valid alternative answers to this question.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Nice explanation.
:)
and it may not always be the same point but they will however cross at a point.
I’m quite distressed that everyone else is ignoring the perfectly valid alternative answers to this question.
We let you do that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Nice explanation.
:)
and it may not always be the same point but they will however cross at a point.
I’m quite distressed that everyone else is ignoring the perfectly valid alternative answers to this question.
T&P
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
esselte said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
Why is ‘backwards’ even mentioned?
esselte said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
I’d reckon very few people can sprint backwards.
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
dv said:40 km/h
^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
Why is ‘backwards’ even mentioned?
To deliberately confuse.
esselte said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
Most amusing
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
dv said:40 km/h
^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
Why is ‘backwards’ even mentioned?
It’s saying she can either sprint in the direction she is going or can turn around and sprint the way she came from, and the train will just miss her in each case. It’s required info to solve the puzzle.
JudgeMental said:
About 40 km/h.
If she is running towards the train she will need a bigger margin in her arrival time at the start of the tunnel to ensure she can get out unharmed, but we don’t have enough information to evaluate that.
esselte said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
40 km/h
^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
Good point.
And even if she turns around, that will increase the time to get to full speed.
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:^
Though I’m doubtful she could sprint backwards as fast as she can sprint forwards
Why is ‘backwards’ even mentioned?
It’s saying she can either sprint in the direction she is going or can turn around and sprint the way she came from, and the train will just miss her in each case. It’s required info to solve the puzzle.
Okay. But doesn’t that mean that if she could go backwards and exit the tunnel before the train enters that she should have more than enough time to clearly exit the tunnel if she goes forward?
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Why is ‘backwards’ even mentioned?
It’s saying she can either sprint in the direction she is going or can turn around and sprint the way she came from, and the train will just miss her in each case. It’s required info to solve the puzzle.
Okay. But doesn’t that mean that if she could go backwards and exit the tunnel before the train enters that she should have more than enough time to clearly exit the tunnel if she goes forward?
She has to run three times as far if she goes forwards.
I checked with OHS and they said never run in a tunnel & never run on railway tracks.
They suggested to lay down as close to the wall as possible and you should be alright.
Over.
but the train isn’t going through the tunnel
SCIENCE said:
but the train isn’t going through the tunnel
Sweet.
SCIENCE said:
but the train isn’t going through the tunnel
The wording of the question does clearly imply that the train is moving towards the tunnel, so if she runs forwards it will in fact pass through the tunnel before reaching her position.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
esselte said:It’s saying she can either sprint in the direction she is going or can turn around and sprint the way she came from, and the train will just miss her in each case. It’s required info to solve the puzzle.
Okay. But doesn’t that mean that if she could go backwards and exit the tunnel before the train enters that she should have more than enough time to clearly exit the tunnel if she goes forward?
She has to run three times as far if she goes forwards.
Ahhh… Clearly not paying attention right here
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
About 40 km/h.
If she is running towards the train she will need a bigger margin in her arrival time at the start of the tunnel to ensure she can get out unharmed, but we don’t have enough information to evaluate that.
OTOH sprinting in a train tunnel is generally speaking not easy. There is more hazardous ground to cover going forwards. (Oh bugger, I said it!)
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
About 40 km/h.
If she is running towards the train she will need a bigger margin in her arrival time at the start of the tunnel to ensure she can get out unharmed, but we don’t have enough information to evaluate that.
OTOH sprinting in a train tunnel is generally speaking not easy. There is more hazardous ground to cover going forwards. (Oh bugger, I said it!)
:)
Yes, it pains me to say it, but I think PWM’s advice to her on this one is really her best option.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
That time is nothing to get excited about, the creator should have done their homework.
hardly the level of competence you expect from an omnipotent creator.
And the h in hardly should be capitalised.
I don’t believe in giving any letter higher status than another. call me a commie if you like.
Just Look At That Word communısm Oh Wait
About 40 km/h.
If she is running towards the train she will need a bigger margin in her arrival time at the start of the tunnel to ensure she can get out unharmed, but we don’t have enough information to evaluate that.
OTOH sprinting in a train tunnel is generally speaking not easy. There is more hazardous ground to cover going forwards. (Oh bugger, I said it!)
:)
Yes, it pains me to say it, but I think PWM’s advice to her on this one is really her best option.
hence the low maximum speed which makes dv’s suggestion valid
the moment you have all been waiting for has finally landed.
JudgeMental said:
the moment you have all been waiting for has finally landed.
Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
the moment you have all been waiting for has finally landed.
Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
I’m going for “A”
Why
Not
Intialise
The
Same
As
Above.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
the moment you have all been waiting for has finally landed.
Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
obvious is not wrong. I would say W
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
the moment you have all been waiting for has finally landed.
Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
I’m going for “A”
Why
Not
Intialise
The
Same
As
Above.
I’m going for 7,
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
I’m going for “A”
Why
Not
Intialise
The
Same
As
Above.
I’m going for 7,
Why not G?
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
the moment you have all been waiting for has finally landed.
Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
obvious is not wrong. I would say W
Obviously I can’t argue with that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
the moment you have all been waiting for has finally landed.
Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
I’m going for “A”
Why
Not
Intialise
The
Same
As
Above.
What’s Next In This Series And Why.
O
The song goes
Wnitsa one for the money, two for the show, three to get ready now go cat go…
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Obviously “W” is way too obvious.
So I have no idea.
I’m going for “A”
Why
Not
Intialise
The
Same
As
Above.
What’s Next In This Series And Why.
You’re a genius.
dv said:
OThe song goes
Wnitsa one for the money, two for the show, three to get ready now go cat go…
I would like to count the number of eye rolls DV gets from his family in a day…
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m going for “A”
Why
Not
Intialise
The
Same
As
Above.
What’s Next In This Series And Why.
You’re a genius.
Michael Bentine told me the same thing.
ChrispenEvan said:
5 cows
1 pig
94 chooks
Not much of a farm, but if that’s what they want.
5 cows, 1 pig … 94 chickens?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
5 cows
1 pig
94 chooksNot much of a farm, but if that’s what they want.
5 cows, 1 pig … 94 chickens?
4bos 5sus 90gallus
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
5 cows
1 pig
94 chooksNot much of a farm, but if that’s what they want.
5 cows, 1 pig … 94 chickens?
4bos 5sus 90gallus
I suppose 99 is close enough to 100 for practical purposes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
5 cows, 1 pig … 94 chickens?
4bos 5sus 90gallus
I suppose 99 is close enough to 100 for practical purposes.
100 but no homo
ChrispenEvan said:
a)
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
a)
there is a lot of room for pedanticisms depending on what assumptions one makes.
Could be (a), © or (d). Unlikely to be precisely (b).
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
a)
there is a lot of room for pedanticisms depending on what assumptions one makes.
All of the above,
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
a)
b) is possible, given a reasonable tolerance on “together”.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
a)
there is a lot of room for pedanticisms depending on what assumptions one makes.
Sure, go off.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
a)
there is a lot of room for pedanticisms depending on what assumptions one makes.
Sure, go off.
wait
doesn’t simultaneity depend on the observer
wait
ChrispenEvan said:
Boycott
ChrispenEvan said:
Carbuncle
Yob
ChrispenEvan said:
mofo
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Carbuncle
Allomorphy
Ian said:
Yob
ChrispenEvan said:
I’m tempted to go for BROTH, but it is unclear if the pedants here will accept that.
So the answer is UNCLEAR.
Tamb said:
Ian said:
Yob
Yob: A backward son.
Yo
ChrispenEvan said:
preposterous
This letter was published in 1877 but I’m not sure when the Bishop composed it.
dv said:
This letter was published in 1877 but I’m not sure when the Bishop composed it.
I had no idea but looking it up, the most convincing answer seems to be “a whale”.
dv said:
This letter was published in 1877 but I’m not sure when the Bishop composed it.
The name of the Bishop was Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce.
It seems WE Anderton just wrote the letter.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
This letter was published in 1877 but I’m not sure when the Bishop composed it.
The name of the Bishop was Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce.
It seems WE Anderton just wrote the letter.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
This letter was published in 1877 but I’m not sure when the Bishop composed it.
The name of the Bishop was Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce.
It seems WE Anderton just wrote the letter.
Well duh
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
This letter was published in 1877 but I’m not sure when the Bishop composed it.
I had no idea but looking it up, the most convincing answer seems to be “a whale”.
I guess that ticks some of the boxes
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
This letter was published in 1877 but I’m not sure when the Bishop composed it.
The name of the Bishop was Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce.
It seems WE Anderton just wrote the letter.
Well duh
The obviousness that the late Bishop of Oxford was called Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce is not obvious to me.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The name of the Bishop was Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce.
It seems WE Anderton just wrote the letter.
Well duh
The obviousness that the late Bishop of Oxford was called Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce is not obvious to me.
Well someone writing this letter in 1877 and referring to the late Bishop of Oxford would almost certainly be referring to the most recent late Bishop of Oxford ie Samuel “ Soapy Sam’ Wilberforce.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Well duh
The obviousness that the late Bishop of Oxford was called Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce is not obvious to me.
Well someone writing this letter in 1877 and referring to the late Bishop of Oxford would almost certainly be referring to the most recent late Bishop of Oxford ie Samuel “ Soapy Sam’ Wilberforce.
Well how about the 2nd link. Is everything in that bleedin obvious as well?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The obviousness that the late Bishop of Oxford was called Samuel “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce is not obvious to me.
Well someone writing this letter in 1877 and referring to the late Bishop of Oxford would almost certainly be referring to the most recent late Bishop of Oxford ie Samuel “ Soapy Sam’ Wilberforce.
Well how about the 2nd link. Is everything in that bleedin obvious as well?
Well I suppose not.
ChrispenEvan said:
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
That is a statement not a question.
ChrispenEvan said:
15 units
Arts said:
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
That is a statement not a question.
you might have prosthetic legs. boiling fruit loops isn’t the weirdest thing one can do. those kids might be adopted. what breed of dog is it.
Arts said:
Tamb said:
ChrispenEvan said:
That is a statement not a question.
what’s that got to do with the installed battery capacity in CHINA then eh
SCIENCE said:
Arts said:
Tamb said:That is a statement not a question.
what’s that got to do with the installed battery capacity in CHINA then eh
ChrispenEvan said:
Arts said:
Tamb said:That is a statement not a question.
you might have prosthetic legs. boiling fruit loops isn’t the weirdest thing one can do. those kids might be adopted. what breed of dog is it.
the neighbour dog is always going to be a black Labrador.
ChrispenEvan said:
2 and 9.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
2 and 9.
Forget that.
It helps if you read the actual question.
i have a meeting now, so you will all have to wait for my further cogitations.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
2 and 9.
Forget that.
It helps if you read the actual question.
i have a meeting now, so you will all have to wait for my further cogitations.
it was an excellent answer while it lasted Rev if that is any consolation.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:2 and 9.
Forget that.
It helps if you read the actual question.
i have a meeting now, so you will all have to wait for my further cogitations.
it was an excellent answer while it lasted Rev if that is any consolation.
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
I think this is the most interesting one they’ve had in a while.
5 and 9.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
2 and 9.
Forget that.
It helps if you read the actual question.
i have a meeting now, so you will all have to wait for my further cogitations.
My new answer is 1 and 13. Following the given rules all following clients will sit at odd numbered tables, so there will be up to 7 tables filled.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I think this is the most interesting one they’ve had in a while.
5 and 9.
So 5 and 9 works as well, so the answer is the 2 positions are 1, 5, 9 and 13.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:2 and 9.
Forget that.
It helps if you read the actual question.
i have a meeting now, so you will all have to wait for my further cogitations.
My new answer is 1 and 13. Following the given rules all following clients will sit at odd numbered tables, so there will be up to 7 tables filled.
I disagree and maintain my original answer.
Here’s how it would go if they pick 1 or 13.
x000000000000
x00000000000x
x00000×00000x
x00×00×00×00x
Here’s my answer: 5 or 9
0000×00000000
0000×0000000x
0000×000×000x
x000×000×000x
x0×0×0×0×0×0x
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Forget that.
It helps if you read the actual question.
i have a meeting now, so you will all have to wait for my further cogitations.
My new answer is 1 and 13. Following the given rules all following clients will sit at odd numbered tables, so there will be up to 7 tables filled.
I disagree and maintain my original answer.
Here’s how it would go if they pick 1 or 13.
x000000000000
x00000000000x
x00000×00000x
x00×00×00×00xHere’s my answer: 5 or 9
0000×00000000
0000×0000000x
0000×000×000x
x000×000×000x
x0×0×0×0×0×0x
OK, it seems I got it wrong.
ChrispenEvan said:
I assume the answer they want is 24 but there are some obv problems here
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I assume the answer they want is 24 but there are some obv problems here
of course, half a chook and half an egg. what next half a bee?
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I assume the answer they want is 24 but there are some obv problems here
of course, half a chook and half an egg. what next half a bee?
You shouldn’t do things by half.
Bogsnorkler said:
8
Bogsnorkler said:
n
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
n
Vowles.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
n
Vowles.
Both r and n are consonants.
Bogsnorkler said:
2
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
2
11
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Bogsnorkler said:
2
11
:)
I guess the answer is 2.
I’m taking the whole thing to be the brainteaser… and they are talking about h.
dv said:
I guess the answer is 2.I’m taking the whole thing to be the brainteaser… and they are talking about h.
That works. I was going on the three r’s and six n’s.
dv said:
I guess the answer is 2.I’m taking the whole thing to be the brainteaser… and they are talking about h.
the likelihood of this being correct is high.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I guess the answer is 2.I’m taking the whole thing to be the brainteaser… and they are talking about h.
That works. I was going on the three r’s and six n’s.
that is just wrong think.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I guess the answer is 2.I’m taking the whole thing to be the brainteaser… and they are talking about h.
That works. I was going on the three r’s and six n’s.
that is just wrong think.
At least it was think?
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:That works. I was going on the three r’s and six n’s.
that is just wrong think.
At least it was think?
I’m going to give this one to PWM.
There are three in this sentence – three vowels a,e,i
This brainteaser contains six – o and u both appear in the subsequent sentence, making six vowels in the entire brainteaser.
How many can you find in this sentence? – all six appear
Answer = 6
esselte said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:that is just wrong think.
At least it was think?
I’m going to give this one to PWM.
There are three in this sentence – three vowels a,e,i
This brainteaser contains six – o and u both appear in the subsequent sentence, making six vowels in the entire brainteaser.
How many can you find in this sentence? – all six appear
Answer = 6
erm, five. Counting is hard
esselte said:
esselte said:
roughbarked said:At least it was think?
I’m going to give this one to PWM.
There are three in this sentence – three vowels a,e,i
This brainteaser contains six – o and u both appear in the subsequent sentence, making six vowels in the entire brainteaser.
How many can you find in this sentence? – all six appear
Answer = 6
erm, five. Counting is hard
No wait, is y counted as a vowel? Words is hard. Counting is hard. I’m going back to sleep.
esselte said:
esselte said:
esselte said:I’m going to give this one to PWM.
There are three in this sentence – three vowels a,e,i
This brainteaser contains six – o and u both appear in the subsequent sentence, making six vowels in the entire brainteaser.
How many can you find in this sentence? – all six appear
Answer = 6
erm, five. Counting is hard
No wait, is y counted as a vowel? Words is hard. Counting is hard. I’m going back to sleep.
sometimes, as the old whatever they are called, stated.
esselte said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:that is just wrong think.
At least it was think?
I’m going to give this one to PWM.
There are three in this sentence – three vowels a,e,i
This brainteaser contains six – o and u both appear in the subsequent sentence, making six vowels in the entire brainteaser.
How many can you find in this sentence? – all six appear
Answer = 6
seems fair.
Bogsnorkler said:
esselte said:
esselte said:
erm, five. Counting is hard
No wait, is y counted as a vowel? Words is hard. Counting is hard. I’m going back to sleep.
sometimes, as the old whatever they are called, stated.
farts
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
esselte said:
No wait, is y counted as a vowel? Words is hard. Counting is hard. I’m going back to sleep.
sometimes, as the old whatever they are called, stated.
farts
charcoal
Ian said:
SCIENCE said:Bogsnorkler said:
sometimes, as the old whatever they are called, stated.
farts
charcoal
a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes y. that old whatever it is called.
esselte said:
esselte said:
esselte said:I’m going to give this one to PWM.
There are three in this sentence – three vowels a,e,i
This brainteaser contains six – o and u both appear in the subsequent sentence, making six vowels in the entire brainteaser.
How many can you find in this sentence? – all six appear
Answer = 6
erm, five. Counting is hard
No wait, is y counted as a vowel? Words is hard. Counting is hard. I’m going back to sleep.
I’m with DV on this.
Some of you might enjoy this one
dv said:
Some of you might enjoy this one
Cute
dv said:
Some of you might enjoy this one
Pedantically speaking, I didn’t actually cheat, but I suspect my solution method was not the most elegant.
Now I have the answer, I’ll see if I can find a way to solve it properly.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Some of you might enjoy this one
Pedantically speaking, I didn’t actually cheat, but I suspect my solution method was not the most elegant.
Now I have the answer, I’ll see if I can find a way to solve it properly.
hafnium-176
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Some of you might enjoy this one
Pedantically speaking, I didn’t actually cheat, but I suspect my solution method was not the most elegant.
Now I have the answer, I’ll see if I can find a way to solve it properly.
hafnium-176
I’ll have to ponder the significance of that one as well.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Pedantically speaking, I didn’t actually cheat, but I suspect my solution method was not the most elegant.
Now I have the answer, I’ll see if I can find a way to solve it properly.
hafnium-176
I’ll have to ponder the significance of that one as well.
You would be advised to stay clear of the SCIENCE mind.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:hafnium-176
I’ll have to ponder the significance of that one as well.
You would be advised to stay clear of the SCIENCE mind.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
hafnium-176
I’ll have to ponder the significance of that one as well.
You would be advised to stay clear of the SCIENCE mind.
cous’ c’m‘on this is a Forum in joke done to death before, hafnium-176 is the stable release of wolfram – alpha
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’ll have to ponder the significance of that one as well.
You would be advised to stay clear of the SCIENCE mind.
cous’ c’m‘on this is a Forum in joke done to death before, hafnium-176 is the stable release of wolfram – alpha
Missed that earlier.
My memory of Forum jokes not related to the colour of citric fruits is sadly lacking.
And the wolfram ref in the consider thread was purely coincidental.
(And I used Excel).
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:Peak Warming Man said:
You would be advised to stay clear of the SCIENCE mind.
cous’ c’m‘on this is a Forum in joke done to death before, hafnium-176 is the stable release of wolfram – alpha
Missed that earlier.
My memory of Forum jokes not related to the colour of citric fruits is sadly lacking.
And the wolfram ref in the consider thread was purely coincidental.
(And I used Excel).
Of course, I could have asked copilot:
if 3^x = 69 and 23^y = 69 what is 1/x + 1/y?
Let’s tackle this step-by-step.
Given:
3
𝑥
=
69
2
3
𝑦
=
69
First, we’ll take the natural logarithm (ln) of both sides of each equation:
ln
(
3
𝑥
)
=
ln
(
69
)
𝑥
⋅
ln
(
3
)
=
ln
(
69
)
Therefore:
𝑥
=
ln
(
69
)
ln
(
3
)
Similarly, for the second equation:
ln
(
2
3
𝑦
)
=
ln
(
69
)
𝑦
⋅
ln
(
23
)
=
ln
(
69
)
Therefore:
𝑦
=
ln
(
69
)
ln
(
23
)
Now, we need to find
1
𝑥
+
1
𝑦
:
1
𝑥
=
ln
(
3
)
ln
(
69
)
1
𝑦
=
ln
(
23
)
ln
(
69
)
Adding these together gives us:
1
𝑥
+
1
𝑦
=
ln
(
3
)
ln
(
69
)
+
ln
(
23
)
ln
(
69
)
Factoring out
1
ln
(
69
)
:
1
𝑥
+
1
𝑦
=
ln
(
3
)
+
ln
(
23
)
ln
(
69
)
Since
ln
(
3
)
+
ln
(
23
)
=
ln
(
3
⋅
23
)
=
ln
(
69
)
:
1
𝑥
+
1
𝑦
=
ln
(
69
)
ln
(
69
)
=
1
Thus, the solution is:
1
𝑥
+
1
𝑦
=
1
That was some heavy-duty logarithmic action!
What?
Michael V said:
What?
LOL
Michael V said:
What?
To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
What?
To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.
It’s a very simple solution:
3x = 69
23y = 69
therefore,
x=ln(69)/ln(3)
y=ln(69)/ln(23)
1/x=ln(3)/ln(69)
1/y=ln(23)/ln(69)
1/x + 1/y = [ln(3) + ln(23)] / ln(69) = ln(3*23)/ln(69) = ln(69)/ln(69) = 1
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
What?
To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.
that is what the preview button is for.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
What?
To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.that is what the preview button is for.
we prefer the PrtSc key for things like this
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
What?
To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.that is what the preview button is for.
?
The preview button displayed it as it displayed after clicking submit.
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.that is what the preview button is for.
we prefer the PrtSc key for things like this
One prtsc I would have done.
Noone got time for 3 prtscs.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.that is what the preview button is for.
?
The preview button displayed it as it displayed after clicking submit.
maybe use it before you use submit. I mean it is a preview not a postview.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:that is what the preview button is for.
?
The preview button displayed it as it displayed after clicking submit.
maybe use it before you use submit. I mean it is a preview not a postview.
?
I did.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:?
The preview button displayed it as it displayed after clicking submit.
maybe use it before you use submit. I mean it is a preview not a postview.
?
I did.
This is a great conversation
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:maybe use it before you use submit. I mean it is a preview not a postview.
?
I did.
This is a great conversation
wait, there’s more.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:?
The preview button displayed it as it displayed after clicking submit.
maybe use it before you use submit. I mean it is a preview not a postview.
?
I did.
so if preview displayed as it did when you posted then why did you post it like that.
btm said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
What?
To be fair to copilot:
1) It got the right answer.
2) It was much more readable before the copy and paste.It’s a very simple solution:
3x = 69
23y = 69
therefore,
x=ln(69)/ln(3)
y=ln(69)/ln(23)1/x=ln(3)/ln(69)
1/y=ln(23)/ln(69)
1/x + 1/y = [ln(3) + ln(23)] / ln(69) = ln(3*23)/ln(69) = ln(69)/ln(69) = 1
I went log 69 3 + log 69 23 = log 69 69 = 1 but I guess it is the same.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Bogsnorkler said:
that is what the preview button is for.
we prefer the PrtSc key for things like this
One prtsc I would have done.
Noone got time for 3 prtscs.
Fair enough, better than taking a photograph, developing it, scanning it in and then attaching it we suppose.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:maybe use it before you use submit. I mean it is a preview not a postview.
?
I did.
so if preview displayed as it did when you posted then why did you post it like that.
As an illustration of the current state of computer science.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
?
I did.
so if preview displayed as it did when you posted then why did you post it like that.
As an illustration of the current state of computer science.
LOL
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:?
I did.
so if preview displayed as it did when you posted then why did you post it like that.
As an illustration of the current state of computer science.
I thought it might be a nod to chaos and futility.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
so if preview displayed as it did when you posted then why did you post it like that.
As an illustration of the current state of computer science.
I thought it might be a nod to chaos and futility.
we mean we get it, sometimes we just hit Submit in anger or indifference because who cares just send that entropy out into the universe, but then there’s also that whole concept of determinism and free will and one’s role and purpose and all that philosophical stuff
so yes
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
As an illustration of the current state of computer science.
I thought it might be a nod to chaos and futility.
we mean we get it, sometimes we just hit Submit in anger or indifference because who cares just send that entropy out into the universe, but then there’s also that whole concept of determinism and free will and one’s role and purpose and all that philosophical stuff
so yes
Anyway, I thought it was a nice little problem, in spite of btm finding it too easy :)
Also a bit surprised the chatbot got it right.
Bogsnorkler said:
Clare did it
diddly-squat said:
Clare did it
Then both Ann’s and Bill’s statements are true.
diddly-squat said:
Clare did it
Right Bill.
Bogsnorkler said:
If Ann did it, then only Clare is telling the truth.
If Bill did it, Ann and Clare are both telling the truth.
If Clare did it, Ann and Bill are both telling the truth.
So Ann did it.
esselte said:
Bogsnorkler said:
If Ann did it, then only Clare is telling the truth.
If Bill did it, Ann and Clare are both telling the truth.
If Clare did it, Ann and Bill are both telling the truth.So Ann did it.
It is always the one who says “it wasn’t me”. ;)
roughbarked said:
esselte said:
Bogsnorkler said:
If Ann did it, then only Clare is telling the truth.
If Bill did it, Ann and Clare are both telling the truth.
If Clare did it, Ann and Bill are both telling the truth.So Ann did it.
It is always the one who says “it wasn’t me”. ;)
what if what they did was perjury or otherwise being untruthful
esselte said:
Bogsnorkler said:
If Ann did it, then only Clare is telling the truth.
If Bill did it, Ann and Clare are both telling the truth.
If Clare did it, Ann and Bill are both telling the truth.So Ann did it.
It’s much simpler than that. If Ann’s telling the truth, the others are lying, but that makes Clare’s statement true, so Ann’s lying. So Ann did it and Clare’s telling the truth.
Bogsnorkler said:
Anne seems like the obvious answer.
The non-obvious answer is not obvious to me at the moment.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
esselte said:
If Ann did it, then only Clare is telling the truth.
If Bill did it, Ann and Clare are both telling the truth.
If Clare did it, Ann and Bill are both telling the truth.So Ann did it.
It is always the one who says “it wasn’t me”. ;)
what if what they did was perjury or otherwise being untruthful
Or maybe Ann and Bill or Bill and Clare did it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
It is always the one who says “it wasn’t me”. ;)
what if what they did was perjury or otherwise being untruthful
Or maybe Ann and Bill or Bill and Clare did it.
Or maybe they all did it.
btm said:
esselte said:
Bogsnorkler said:
If Ann did it, then only Clare is telling the truth.
If Bill did it, Ann and Clare are both telling the truth.
If Clare did it, Ann and Bill are both telling the truth.So Ann did it.
It’s much simpler than that. If Ann’s telling the truth, the others are lying, but that makes Clare’s statement true, so Ann’s lying. So Ann did it and Clare’s telling the truth.
+1
Bubblecar said:
btm said:
esselte said:If Ann did it, then only Clare is telling the truth.
If Bill did it, Ann and Clare are both telling the truth.
If Clare did it, Ann and Bill are both telling the truth.So Ann did it.
It’s much simpler than that. If Ann’s telling the truth, the others are lying, but that makes Clare’s statement true, so Ann’s lying. So Ann did it and Clare’s telling the truth.
+1
Maybe Bill is just misinformed rather than lying, in which case Clare’s statement would be false.
esselte said:
Bubblecar said:
btm said:It’s much simpler than that. If Ann’s telling the truth, the others are lying, but that makes Clare’s statement true, so Ann’s lying. So Ann did it and Clare’s telling the truth.
+1
Maybe Bill is just misinformed rather than lying, in which case Clare’s statement would be false.
But the same could be true of Ann and Clare.
esselte said:
Bubblecar said:
btm said:It’s much simpler than that. If Ann’s telling the truth, the others are lying, but that makes Clare’s statement true, so Ann’s lying. So Ann did it and Clare’s telling the truth.
+1
Maybe Bill is just misinformed rather than lying, in which case Clare’s statement would be false.
Good point.
Bubblecar said:
esselte said:
Bubblecar said:+1
Maybe Bill is just misinformed rather than lying, in which case Clare’s statement would be false.
But the same could be true of Ann and Clare.
But probably they know whether they did it or not, so if they did do it, they are lying rather than just misinformed or uninformed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
esselte said:Maybe Bill is just misinformed rather than lying, in which case Clare’s statement would be false.
But the same could be true of Ann and Clare.
But probably they know whether they did it or not, so if they did do it, they are lying rather than just misinformed or uninformed.
But we don’t know what “it” is. It could be something very easy to do by accident, without being aware of it. Ann could have been told she didn’t do it by an ostensible observer who misinterpreted the scene, or has reason to lie.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:But the same could be true of Ann and Clare.
But probably they know whether they did it or not, so if they did do it, they are lying rather than just misinformed or uninformed.
But we don’t know what “it” is. It could be something very easy to do by accident, without being aware of it. Ann could have been told she didn’t do it by an ostensible observer who misinterpreted the scene, or has reason to lie.
OK, so what if “it” is telling the truth?
Who is doing “it” then?
JudgeMental said:
I shall call the word “Fred”.
The actual word was TAR, should anyone be interested.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I shall call the word “Fred”.
The actual word was TAR, should anyone be interested.
noun
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I shall call the word “Fred”.
The actual word was TAR, should anyone be interested.
noun
OK, if you are going to be pedantic about it.
JudgeMental said:
Tar
JudgeMental said:
Lee
Gnat
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Tar
But what is its name?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Tar
But what is its name?
esroh
no wait that didn’t have a name
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Tar
But what is its name?
esroh
no wait that didn’t have a name
nor did that man in those westerns.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Tar
But what is its name?
Name in this sense just means mention, specify.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Tar
But what is its name?
esroh
no wait that didn’t have a name
Ha
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Tar
How do you arrive at TAR?
Michael V said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Tar
How do you arrive at TAR?
SUS
Michael V said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Tar
How do you arrive at TAR?
Apply a little reverse thinking :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Tar
How do you arrive at TAR?
Apply a little reverse thinking :)
So BIN would do. As would many other words.
I actually misread the question, and thought it was “the next word in the list”.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:How do you arrive at TAR?
Apply a little reverse thinking :)
So BIN would do. As would many other words.
I actually misread the question, and thought it was “the next word in the list”.
BIN would do if a nib was an animal.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Apply a little reverse thinking :)
So BIN would do. As would many other words.
I actually misread the question, and thought it was “the next word in the list”.
BIN would do if a nib was an animal.
Ah, thanks.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
So BIN would do. As would many other words.
I actually misread the question, and thought it was “the next word in the list”.
BIN would do if a nib was an animal.
Ah, thanks.
it’s part of a drib
and the bin sibi is a bird so
nice
Michael V said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Tar
How do you arrive at TAR?
All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:So BIN would do. As would many other words.
I actually misread the question, and thought it was “the next word in the list”.
BIN would do if a nib was an animal.
Ah, thanks.
Lee
stab
Liar
tarps
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Tar
How do you arrive at TAR?
All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.
gip
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Michael V said:How do you arrive at TAR?
All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.gip
We’ve harvested more than enough of this krop I think.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Michael V said:How do you arrive at TAR?
All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.gip
rag
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.gip
rag
tit
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:gip
rag
tit
Oh, you are awful.
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
Michael V said:How do you arrive at TAR?
All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.gip
Do you mean the word gyp?
tac
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.gip
Do you mean the word gyp?
gip is US I believe.
roughbarked said:
tac
Tac is good.
roughbarked said:
tac
What does tac mean?
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
tac
What does tac mean?
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
tac
What does tac mean?
Put it on the roof and it would be tactile.
tactical
SCIENCE said:
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
What does tac mean?
Put it on the roof and it would be tactile.
tactical
For that matter I suppose words that are palindromes are also necessarily going to apply. E.g. pup is also an animal when spelt backwards.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
All of these things are animals backwards.
I suppose other answers could be tarps and lee. I can’t think of others.gip
We’ve harvested more than enough of this krop I think.
a gnu is an ung
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
gip
We’ve harvested more than enough of this krop I think.
a gnu is an ung
No gnus is good news.
JudgeMental said:
Michael V said:
JudgeMental said:gip
Do you mean the word gyp?
gip is US I believe.
dv said:
For that matter I suppose words that are palindromes are also necessarily going to apply. E.g. pup is also an animal when spelt backwards.
Fair.
ewe, too.
TIN, DOC, KAY
I suppose AVO is a stretch…
Gnu is Not Unix
Michael V said:
dv said:
For that matter I suppose words that are palindromes are also necessarily going to apply. E.g. pup is also an animal when spelt backwards.
Fair.
ewe, too.
I still haven’t found what I looking for
avo contain ova yeah
Tamb said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
tac
What does tac mean?
Put it on the roof and it would be tactile.
:)
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
For that matter I suppose words that are palindromes are also necessarily going to apply. E.g. pup is also an animal when spelt backwards.
Fair.
ewe, too.
I still haven’t found what I looking for
mar
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Fair.
ewe, too.
I still haven’t found what I looking for
mar
Yep.
I think a mamma horse is sometimes called a dam? So MAD.
dv said:
I think a mamma horse is sometimes called a dam? So MAD.
eris
Wiktionary tells me that GULS are medallionlike carpet designs.
dv said:
Wiktionary tells me that GULS are medallionlike carpet designs.
Now you’ve got another word to look up, could go on for a while.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Wiktionary tells me that GULS are medallionlike carpet designs.
Now you’ve got another word to look up, could go on for a while.
red nag
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Wiktionary tells me that GULS are medallionlike carpet designs.
Now you’ve got another word to look up, could go on for a while.
red nag
Pauline Hanson ?
Your RC vegan won’t be too thrilled to be offered Body of Christ.
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Wiktionary tells me that GULS are medallionlike carpet designs.
Now you’ve got another word to look up, could go on for a while.
red nag
:)
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Now you’ve got another word to look up, could go on for a while.
red nag
Pauline Hanson ?
well all right that is a backward kind of animal but we really didn’t want to go there
Ian said:
Your RC vegan won’t be too thrilled to be offered Body of Christ.
Why? it is a bit of paper.
NUBTQPHSO_
SCIENCE said:
NUBTQPHSO_
N
Just go about your day, don’t bother telling me whether I was right, after all you’re a busy man.
dv said:
Just go about your day, don’t bother telling me whether I was right, after all you’re a busy man.
but apparently they go Greek and so it’s E before it starts again
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Just go about your day, don’t bother telling me whether I was right, after all you’re a busy man.
but apparently they go Greek and so it’s E before it starts again
Well I suppose it depends on the exact context
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Just go about your day, don’t bother telling me whether I was right, after all you’re a busy man.
but apparently they go Greek and so it’s E before it starts again
Well I suppose it depends on the exact context
unique digits
JudgeMental said:
To easy:
1) They all contain the letter S
2) Yes
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
To easy:
1) They all contain the letter S
2) Yes
:)
JudgeMental said:
1) They’re all about Christmas.
2) Crackers.
JudgeMental said:
Given the scant alphabetical representation I assume it is going to be that you can type them upside down in a 7bar display
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Given the scant alphabetical representation I assume it is going to be that you can type them upside down in a 7bar display
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Given the scant alphabetical representation I assume it is going to be that you can type them upside down in a 7bar display
To be more specific
553580
77345993
5318718
57738
500791
5317707
491375
JudgeMental said:
0.015
JudgeMental said:
Merry Christmas Anna.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Merry Christmas Anna.
Those canes are bad for your teeth, Anna.
JudgeMental said:
Heck!
JudgeMental said:
3.75
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Merry Christmas Anna.
Those canes are bad for your teeth, Anna.
I don’t think you lot are taking this question seriously.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:Merry Christmas Anna.
Those canes are bad for your teeth, Anna.
I don’t think you lot are taking this question seriously.
Four what reason would you think that?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:Merry Christmas Anna.
Those canes are bad for your teeth, Anna.
I don’t think you lot are taking this question seriously.
True.
JudgeMental said:
8 candy canes … 2 dollars spent … 4 for a dollar
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
8 candy canes … 2 dollars spent … 4 for a dollar
To get 4 from each shop she would have to pay $1 × 4/3 + $1 × 4/5 = $2.13 (assuming shop 1 will round down to the nearest cent).
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:JudgeMental said:
8 candy canes … 2 dollars spent … 4 for a dollar
To get 4 from each shop she would have to pay $1 × 4/3 + $1 × 4/5 = $2.13 (assuming shop 1 will round down to the nearest cent).
Yeah and if my aunt had wheels she’d be a bicycle
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:8 candy canes … 2 dollars spent … 4 for a dollar
To get 4 from each shop she would have to pay $1 × 4/3 + $1 × 4/5 = $2.13 (assuming shop 1 will round down to the nearest cent).
Yeah and if my aunt had wheels she’d be a bicycle
Not sure what your aunt’s lack of wheels has to do with it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:To get 4 from each shop she would have to pay $1 × 4/3 + $1 × 4/5 = $2.13 (assuming shop 1 will round down to the nearest cent).
Yeah and if my aunt had wheels she’d be a bicycle
Not sure what your aunt’s lack of wheels has to do with it.
We went to visit her in Mackay last year around this time, and she wanted us to take her to the Mount Pleasant shopping centre for this edible bible-themed decoration pop-up store she read about in a brochure. Little Jesus in a manger, little Joseph and Mary etc. We left our run a bit lane though so by the time we went there all they had left was candy Cains.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Yeah and if my aunt had wheels she’d be a bicycle
Not sure what your aunt’s lack of wheels has to do with it.
We went to visit her in Mackay last year around this time, and she wanted us to take her to the Mount Pleasant shopping centre for this edible bible-themed decoration pop-up store she read about in a brochure. Little Jesus in a manger, little Joseph and Mary etc. We left our run a bit lane though so by the time we went there all they had left was candy Cains.
So how much did she pay when she bought an equal number from 2 shops?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:JudgeMental said:
8 candy canes … 2 dollars spent … 4 for a dollar
To get 4 from each shop she would have to pay $1 × 4/3 + $1 × 4/5 = $2.13 (assuming shop 1 will round down to the nearest cent).
Paying cash, that would be…
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not sure what your aunt’s lack of wheels has to do with it.
We went to visit her in Mackay last year around this time, and she wanted us to take her to the Mount Pleasant shopping centre for this edible bible-themed decoration pop-up store she read about in a brochure. Little Jesus in a manger, little Joseph and Mary etc. We left our run a bit lane though so by the time we went there all they had left was candy Cains.
So how much did she pay when she bought an equal number from 2 shops?
wgas
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:8 candy canes … 2 dollars spent … 4 for a dollar
To get 4 from each shop she would have to pay $1 × 4/3 + $1 × 4/5 = $2.13 (assuming shop 1 will round down to the nearest cent).
Paying cash, that would be…
That’s why she actually bought 15 from each shop and paid exactly $8.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Those canes are bad for your teeth, Anna.
I don’t think you lot are taking this question seriously.
True.
Disagree, we already gave the correct answer of 0.015.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I don’t think you lot are taking this question seriously.
True.
Disagree, we already gave the correct answer of 0.015.
Please show working
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
True.
Disagree, we already gave the correct answer of 0.015.
Please show working
good point we got it wrong it’s more like 0.0011 now
Bought 1 cane at each of the stores in George Town then had them valued at Georgetown easy.
.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Disagree, we already gave the correct answer of 0.015.
Please show working
good point we got it wrong it’s more like 0.0011 now
Bought 1 cane at each of the stores in George Town then had them valued at Georgetown easy.
I used up my pedant allowance yesterday, so I’d better shut up on this one.
Man I thought that joke was gangbusters
dv said:
Man I thought that joke was gangbusters
Which one was that?
Michael V said:
dv said:
Man I thought that joke was gangbusters
Which one was that?
about me aunt
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Man I thought that joke was gangbusters
Which one was that?
about me aunt
Candy Cains? I wasn’t Able to find that overly humorous…
Well maybe I’m having an off-day
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Man I thought that joke was gangbusters
Which one was that?
about me aunt
OK.
JudgeMental said:
ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
(shrugs) wrong
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
(shrugs) wrong
I agree with you. 8 canes / $2 = 4
I’m trying to work out how they got that answer and the best I can come up with is:
2 * (1 / (1/5 + 1/3)) = 3.75
I don’t even know how that works in this context.
Kingy said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
(shrugs) wrong
I agree with you. 8 canes / $2 = 4
I’m trying to work out how they got that answer and the best I can come up with is:
2 * (1 / (1/5 + 1/3)) = 3.75
I don’t even know how that works in this context.
Quite. The question is quite specific.
dv said:
Kingy said:
dv said:(shrugs) wrong
I agree with you. 8 canes / $2 = 4
I’m trying to work out how they got that answer and the best I can come up with is:
2 * (1 / (1/5 + 1/3)) = 3.75
I don’t even know how that works in this context.
Quite. The question is quite specific.
Ok, I’ve realised the problem.
She buys the SAME AMOUNT of canes in each shop.
I didn’t read the question properly. I’ll see myself out.
Kingy said:
dv said:
Kingy said:I agree with you. 8 canes / $2 = 4
I’m trying to work out how they got that answer and the best I can come up with is:
2 * (1 / (1/5 + 1/3)) = 3.75
I don’t even know how that works in this context.
Quite. The question is quite specific.
Ok, I’ve realised the problem.
She buys the SAME AMOUNT of canes in each shop.
I didn’t read the question properly. I’ll see myself out.
Same.
Except I have no shame so I’m not going anywhere
dv said:
Kingy said:
dv said:Quite. The question is quite specific.
Ok, I’ve realised the problem.
She buys the SAME AMOUNT of canes in each shop.
I didn’t read the question properly. I’ll see myself out.
Same.
Except I have no shame so I’m not going anywhere
Oh well at least the crucifix has never been associated with terrorists wait
dv said:
Kingy said:
dv said:
Quite. The question is quite specific.
Ok, I’ve realised the problem.
She buys the SAME AMOUNT of canes in each shop.
I didn’t read the question properly. I’ll see myself out.
Same.
Except I have no shame so I’m not going anywhere
that 6.62607015e-34 J s really makes a heap of difference eh
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Kingy said:
Ok, I’ve realised the problem.
She buys the SAME AMOUNT of canes in each shop.
I didn’t read the question properly. I’ll see myself out.
Same.
Except I have no shame so I’m not going anywhere
that 6.62607015e-34 J s really makes a heap of difference eh
yar
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
none of the bastards cares about exchange rates what a load
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
Raises hand.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
Raises hand.
well all right it’s pretty much an analogue of the calculate an average speed over a journey which is half by distance done at some speed and then half done at another speed but just like the exchange complication the light relativity causes some issues too
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:ABC Science
Who else got 3.75 as the answer?
Thanks for playing along on all our brainteasers this year and wishing you a happy holiday season!
Raises hand.
well all right it’s pretty much an analogue of the calculate an average speed over a journey which is half by distance done at some speed and then half done at another speed but just like the exchange complication the light relativity causes some issues too
Dear SCIENCE,
I appreciate that you want to make these things more interesting, but I really can’t see why any exchange rate would be applicable in this case.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Raises hand.
well all right it’s pretty much an analogue of the calculate an average speed over a journey which is half by distance done at some speed and then half done at another speed but just like the exchange complication the light relativity causes some issues too
Dear SCIENCE,
I appreciate that you want to make these things more interesting, but I really can’t see why any exchange rate would be applicable in this case.
they didn’t specify what dollars
Since the ABC is having a holiday from teasing brains, here is one from New Scientist:
a) Using the numbers 2,0,2,5, each once only, +-/*, and as many () as you need, form the numbers from 1 to 10.
b) With the addition of exponent and factorials, and allowing any two digits to be combined into a number, extend the sequence to 30.
c) Now do it with the numbers in the original sequence, 2,0,2,5.
I found a) pretty easy, b) pretty hard, and needed a couple of days thought to get c) to work.
Bogsnorkler said:
1
Over.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
1
Over.
I was tempted to say that as well, but the correct answer is 50, which I have to admit is a bit surprising, even after doing the required mathematics.
That’s assuming the right-handed person is not allowed to leave the room.
And not a single response to this one from yesterday!
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since the ABC is having a holiday from teasing brains, here is one from New Scientist:a) Using the numbers 2,0,2,5, each once only, +-/*, and as many () as you need, form the numbers from 1 to 10.
b) With the addition of exponent and factorials, and allowing any two digits to be combined into a number, extend the sequence to 30.
c) Now do it with the numbers in the original sequence, 2,0,2,5.
I found a) pretty easy, b) pretty hard, and needed a couple of days thought to get c) to work.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
1
Over.
I was tempted to say that as well, but the correct answer is 50, which I have to admit is a bit surprising, even after doing the required mathematics.
That’s assuming the right-handed person is not allowed to leave the room.
ah well we suppose we’re as abnormal as Tasmanians then because it wasn’t surprising to us
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
1
Over.
I was tempted to say that as well, but the correct answer is 50, which I have to admit is a bit surprising, even after doing the required mathematics.
That’s assuming the right-handed person is not allowed to leave the room.
ah well we suppose we’re as abnormal as Tasmanians then because it wasn’t surprising to us
and it really shouldn’t have been surprising to me.
But it was.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I was tempted to say that as well, but the correct answer is 50, which I have to admit is a bit surprising, even after doing the required mathematics.
That’s assuming the right-handed person is not allowed to leave the room.
ah well we suppose we’re as abnormal as Tasmanians then because it wasn’t surprising to us
and it really shouldn’t have been surprising to me.
But it was.
we figured if we designate them R and S then it’s just saying what do you need to do to increase intensively measured R from 0.01 to 0.02 and that immediately makes the obvious answer to halve the extent (of S, it being the predominant 0.99)
Bogsnorkler said:
50?
The Rev Dodgson said:
And not a single response to this one from yesterday!The Rev Dodgson said:
Since the ABC is having a holiday from teasing brains, here is one from New Scientist:a) Using the numbers 2,0,2,5, each once only, +-/*, and as many () as you need, form the numbers from 1 to 10.
b) With the addition of exponent and factorials, and allowing any two digits to be combined into a number, extend the sequence to 30.
c) Now do it with the numbers in the original sequence, 2,0,2,5.
I found a) pretty easy, b) pretty hard, and needed a couple of days thought to get c) to work.
Sorry about that, it just seems a bit time consuming
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
And not a single response to this one from yesterday!The Rev Dodgson said:
Since the ABC is having a holiday from teasing brains, here is one from New Scientist:a) Using the numbers 2,0,2,5, each once only, +-/*, and as many () as you need, form the numbers from 1 to 10.
b) With the addition of exponent and factorials, and allowing any two digits to be combined into a number, extend the sequence to 30.
c) Now do it with the numbers in the original sequence, 2,0,2,5.
I found a) pretty easy, b) pretty hard, and needed a couple of days thought to get c) to work.
Sorry about that, it just seems a bit time consuming
It was :)
On the plus side, it did prompt me to fix my Excel text evaluation function to recognise ! as factorial.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
And not a single response to this one from yesterday!Sorry about that, it just seems a bit time consuming
It was :)
On the plus side, it did prompt me to fix my Excel text evaluation function to recognise ! as factorial.
Since no-one got time for that, here’s my answer:
At some points of time, if you swap the minute hand and hour hand on a clock, it will still be showing a valid time.
How many times does this happen in a day?
dv said:
At some points of time, if you swap the minute hand and hour hand on a clock, it will still be showing a valid time.How many times does this happen in a day?
Pedantic answer:
Zero, since I never swap the hands of a clock.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
At some points of time, if you swap the minute hand and hour hand on a clock, it will still be showing a valid time.How many times does this happen in a day?
Pedantic answer:
Zero, since I never swap the hands of a clock.
and for my non-pedantic answer I’ll say 22 times, assuming that the day starts just after midnight and finishes at midnight (so only one midnight is included).
dv said:
At some points of time, if you swap the minute hand and hour hand on a clock, it will still be showing a valid time.How many times does this happen in a day?
I don’t know.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
At some points of time, if you swap the minute hand and hour hand on a clock, it will still be showing a valid time.How many times does this happen in a day?
Pedantic answer:
Zero, since I never swap the hands of a clock.
and for my non-pedantic answer I’ll say 22 times, assuming that the day starts just after midnight and finishes at midnight (so only one midnight is included).
The crucial word is valid, so a time closest to the minute could also be valid.
tauto said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Pedantic answer:
Zero, since I never swap the hands of a clock.
and for my non-pedantic answer I’ll say 22 times, assuming that the day starts just after midnight and finishes at midnight (so only one midnight is included).
The crucial word is valid, so a time closest to the minute could also be valid.
Well if you include two midnights in one day it would be 23 times.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
At some points of time, if you swap the minute hand and hour hand on a clock, it will still be showing a valid time.How many times does this happen in a day?
Pedantic answer:
Zero, since I never swap the hands of a clock.
and for my non-pedantic answer I’ll say 22 times, assuming that the day starts just after midnight and finishes at midnight (so only one midnight is included).
Well 23 if only one midnight/day is included.
Over.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Pedantic answer:
Zero, since I never swap the hands of a clock.
and for my non-pedantic answer I’ll say 22 times, assuming that the day starts just after midnight and finishes at midnight (so only one midnight is included).
Well 23 if only one midnight/day is included.
Over.
Yes that is over the correct number by 1.
The Rev Dodgson said:
tauto said:
The Rev Dodgson said:and for my non-pedantic answer I’ll say 22 times, assuming that the day starts just after midnight and finishes at midnight (so only one midnight is included).
The crucial word is valid, so a time closest to the minute could also be valid.
Well if you include two midnights in one day it would be 23 times.
Either way, I think you’re way off.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
tauto said:The crucial word is valid, so a time closest to the minute could also be valid.
Well if you include two midnights in one day it would be 23 times.
Either way, I think you’re way off.
What is the answer then?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well if you include two midnights in one day it would be 23 times.
Either way, I think you’re way off.
What is the answer then?
who knows, 12 times as many perhaps, we use numeric anyway
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Either way, I think you’re way off.
What is the answer then?
who knows, 12 times as many perhaps, we use numeric anyway
Because the hands are swapped do you still call them minute and hour hands despite their position?
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Either way, I think you’re way off.
What is the answer then?
who knows, 12 times as many perhaps, we use numeric anyway
OK, I interpreted a “valid” time as being the “correct” time but on reflection perhaps that wasn’t a valid interpretation.
Not sure what using numeric has to do with it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well if you include two midnights in one day it would be 23 times.
Either way, I think you’re way off.
What is the answer then?
And how did we get to the answer..
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What is the answer then?
who knows, 12 times as many perhaps, we use numeric anyway
Because the hands are swapped do you still call them minute and hour hands despite their position?
we thought they meant if the hands were degenerate as in undifferentiable
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What is the answer then?
who knows, 12 times as many perhaps, we use numeric anyway
OK, I interpreted a “valid” time as being the “correct” time but on reflection perhaps that wasn’t a valid interpretation.
Not sure what using numeric has to do with it.
and we thought we meant discrete like integer digits rather than hands on a circle
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
who knows, 12 times as many perhaps, we use numeric anyway
Because the hands are swapped do you still call them minute and hour hands despite their position?
we thought they meant if the hands were degenerate as in undifferentiable
Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
Because the hands are swapped do you still call them minute and hour hands despite their position?
we thought they meant if the hands were degenerate as in undifferentiable
Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
It is a very pedantic theory because the hour and minute hands cannot be swapped. They don’t fit backwards.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
Because the hands are swapped do you still call them minute and hour hands despite their position?
we thought they meant if the hands were degenerate as in undifferentiable
Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
Why do you pick those numbers?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:we thought they meant if the hands were degenerate as in undifferentiable
Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
It is a very pedantic theory because the hour and minute hands cannot be swapped. They don’t fit backwards.
I’m sure you could make a clock where they could be swapped, if you wanted to.
Or even easier, generate an animation of an analog clock.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
It is a very pedantic theory because the hour and minute hands cannot be swapped. They don’t fit backwards.
I’m sure you could make a clock where they could be swapped, if you wanted to.
Or even easier, generate an animation of an analog clock.
Oh analog clock, now you tell me.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
It is a very pedantic theory because the hour and minute hands cannot be swapped. They don’t fit backwards.
I’m sure you could make a clock where they could be swapped, if you wanted to.
Or even easier, generate an animation of an analog clock.
or have them appear identical
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:It is a very pedantic theory because the hour and minute hands cannot be swapped. They don’t fit backwards.
I’m sure you could make a clock where they could be swapped, if you wanted to.
Or even easier, generate an animation of an analog clock.
Oh analog clock, now you tell me.
Since when does a digital clock have hands?
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:we thought they meant if the hands were degenerate as in undifferentiable
Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
Why do you pick those numbers?
Because every just over 5 minutes the minute hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were an hour hand, and that occurs 11 times per hour.
And every just over 1 hour the hour hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were a minute hand, and that occurs 11 times per half day.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
Why do you pick those numbers?
Because every just over 5 minutes the minute hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were an hour hand, and that occurs 11 times per hour.
And every just over 1 hour the hour hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were a minute hand, and that occurs 11 times per half day.
Forget that, I’m still obsessing about the hands being at the same position.
Should be 11*12*2 = 264
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not sure what that means, but I’m now going for an answer of 2*11*11 = 242 times per day (starting 1 nanosecond after midnight and finishing exactly at midnight)
Why do you pick those numbers?
Because every just over 5 minutes the minute hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were an hour hand, and that occurs 11 times per hour.
1.00: -> 12.05 no
1.05 (and a bit) -> 1.05 (and a bit) yes (hands overlap)
1.10 (and 2 bits) -> 2.05 (and a bit) no
1.15 (and 3 bits) -> 3.05 (and a bit) no
etc
You might need to explain to us.
Not me, obviously; I’m dead.
The_Queen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Why do you pick those numbers?
Because every just over 5 minutes the minute hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were an hour hand, and that occurs 11 times per hour.
1.00: -> 12.05 no
1.05 (and a bit) -> 1.05 (and a bit) yes (hands overlap)
1.10 (and 2 bits) -> 2.05 (and a bit) no
1.15 (and 3 bits) -> 3.05 (and a bit) noetc
You might need to explain to us.
Not me, obviously; I’m dead.
The voice from the grave.
The_Queen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Why do you pick those numbers?
Because every just over 5 minutes the minute hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were an hour hand, and that occurs 11 times per hour.
1.00: -> 12.05 no
1.05 (and a bit) -> 1.05 (and a bit) yes (hands overlap)
1.10 (and 2 bits) -> 2.05 (and a bit) no
1.15 (and 3 bits) -> 3.05 (and a bit) noetc
You might need to explain to us.
Not me, obviously; I’m dead.
We’ve just reread the question and see that our objection was not valid.
The_Queen said:
The_Queen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Because every just over 5 minutes the minute hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were an hour hand, and that occurs 11 times per hour.
1.00: -> 12.05 no
1.05 (and a bit) -> 1.05 (and a bit) yes (hands overlap)
1.10 (and 2 bits) -> 2.05 (and a bit) no
1.15 (and 3 bits) -> 3.05 (and a bit) noetc
You might need to explain to us.
Not me, obviously; I’m dead.
We’ve just reread the question and see that our objection was not valid.
Jolly good :)
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
The Rev Dodgson said:
even easier, generate an animation of an analog clock.
oh fine then
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paste that into yousr address bars and enjoy
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:It is a very pedantic theory because the hour and minute hands cannot be swapped. They don’t fit backwards.
I’m sure you could make a clock where they could be swapped, if you wanted to.
Or even easier, generate an animation of an analog clock.
Oh analog clock, now you tell me.
Lol
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
286 = 21 × 111 × 131
The_Queen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Why do you pick those numbers?
Because every just over 5 minutes the minute hand arrives at a position where it would be the same number of minutes past the hour, if it were an hour hand, and that occurs 11 times per hour.
1.00: -> 12.05 no
1.05 (and a bit) -> 1.05 (and a bit) yes (hands overlap)
1.10 (and 2 bits) -> 2.05 (and a bit) no
1.15 (and 3 bits) -> 3.05 (and a bit) noetc
You might need to explain to us.
Not me, obviously; I’m dead.
Camilla died???
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
At least one of us is mistaken.
I will go and re-examine my ponderings.
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
There’s a nice visual proof on math.stackexchange
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/59379/after-swapping-the-positions-of-the-hour-and-the-minute-hand-when-will-a-clock
“Explanation. On the 𝑥-axis the position of the hours clock hand, on the 𝑦 axis the position of the minutes clock hand. When the short hand goes between hour n to n+1, the long hand makes a complete turn (from 0 to 12). If you exchange the hands, you exchange 𝑥 and 𝑦 coordinates… so you look for intersection of the graph with its simmetry with respect to the diagonal of the square domain.”
Each intersection of the skewed black grid is a solution. 12×12 solutions =144 solutions, minus 1 because 0,0 and 12,12 are the same position on the clock =143 solutions in 12 hours.
Multiplied by 2 = 286 solutions in 24 hours.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
even easier, generate an animation of an analog clock.
oh fine then
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esselte said:
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
There’s a nice visual proof on math.stackexchange
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/59379/after-swapping-the-positions-of-the-hour-and-the-minute-hand-when-will-a-clock
“Explanation. On the 𝑥-axis the position of the hours clock hand, on the 𝑦 axis the position of the minutes clock hand. When the short hand goes between hour n to n+1, the long hand makes a complete turn (from 0 to 12). If you exchange the hands, you exchange 𝑥 and 𝑦 coordinates… so you look for intersection of the graph with its simmetry with respect to the diagonal of the square domain.”Each intersection of the skewed black grid is a solution. 12×12 solutions =144 solutions, minus 1 because 0,0 and 12,12 are the same position on the clock =143 solutions in 12 hours.
Multiplied by 2 = 286 solutions in 24 hours.
Well that is indeed a nice visual representation.
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
How did you arrive at that?
dv said:
esselte said:
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
There’s a nice visual proof on math.stackexchange
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/59379/after-swapping-the-positions-of-the-hour-and-the-minute-hand-when-will-a-clock
“Explanation. On the 𝑥-axis the position of the hours clock hand, on the 𝑦 axis the position of the minutes clock hand. When the short hand goes between hour n to n+1, the long hand makes a complete turn (from 0 to 12). If you exchange the hands, you exchange 𝑥 and 𝑦 coordinates… so you look for intersection of the graph with its simmetry with respect to the diagonal of the square domain.”Each intersection of the skewed black grid is a solution. 12×12 solutions =144 solutions, minus 1 because 0,0 and 12,12 are the same position on the clock =143 solutions in 12 hours.
Multiplied by 2 = 286 solutions in 24 hours.
Well that is indeed a nice visual representation.
Hmmm.
Suppose so.
Thanks esselte, saved me several wasted minutes :)
esselte said:
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
There’s a nice visual proof on math.stackexchange
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/59379/after-swapping-the-positions-of-the-hour-and-the-minute-hand-when-will-a-clock
“Explanation. On the 𝑥-axis the position of the hours clock hand, on the 𝑦 axis the position of the minutes clock hand. When the short hand goes between hour n to n+1, the long hand makes a complete turn (from 0 to 12). If you exchange the hands, you exchange 𝑥 and 𝑦 coordinates… so you look for intersection of the graph with its simmetry with respect to the diagonal of the square domain.”Each intersection of the skewed black grid is a solution. 12×12 solutions =144 solutions, minus 1 because 0,0 and 12,12 are the same position on the clock =143 solutions in 12 hours.
Multiplied by 2 = 286 solutions in 24 hours.
Nice, thanks.
:)
Michael V said:
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
How did you arrive at that?
Algebraically
Call H the angle of the hour hand, clockwise from upright.
Call M the angle of the minute hand.
H moves 1/12 the speed of M, but also any given minute hand position corresponds to any of 12 H, separated by 30 degrees (1/12 of the dial), which is basically the whole number of hours passed. So we can introduce an arbitrary integer n to deal with that:
H = M/12 + 30°n
So if the hands still represent a valid time when swapped, then equivalently…
M = H/12 + 30°m
I’ve used a different letter to represent this integer, m, as the two different times may have a different number of hours passed.
So cutting a long story short, solving these two simultaneous equations gives
H = 144/143 (30°n + 2.5°m)
Given those integers are arbitrary and 2.5 goes evenly into 30, we may elide n.
H = 144/143 * 2.5 ° m
The hour hand does 720 ° in a day.
720 / (144/143*2.5) = 286
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Unless I’m mistaken the answer im 286.
How did you arrive at that?
Algebraically
Call H the angle of the hour hand, clockwise from upright.
Call M the angle of the minute hand.
H moves 1/12 the speed of M, but also any given minute hand position corresponds to any of 12 H, separated by 30 degrees (1/12 of the dial), which is basically the whole number of hours passed. So we can introduce an arbitrary integer n to deal with that:
H = M/12 + 30°n
So if the hands still represent a valid time when swapped, then equivalently…
M = H/12 + 30°m
I’ve used a different letter to represent this integer, m, as the two different times may have a different number of hours passed.
So cutting a long story short, solving these two simultaneous equations gives
H = 144/143 (30°n + 2.5°m)
Given those integers are arbitrary and 2.5 goes evenly into 30, we may elide n.
H = 144/143 * 2.5 ° m
The hour hand does 720 ° in a day.
720 / (144/143*2.5) = 286
Thanks.
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
¼^(-1/2)
ChrispenEvan said:
I know the answer to that so it isn’t much of a teaser.
I’ll have a think about what to be pedantic about.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I know the answer to that so it isn’t much of a teaser.
I’ll have a think about what to be pedantic about.
Anyway, who has 20 cent coins lying around, in these cashless days?
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I know the answer to that so it isn’t much of a teaser.
I’ll have a think about what to be pedantic about.
Anyway, who has 20 cent coins lying around, in these cashless days?
Jody Clark
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
ChrispenEvan said:
¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
well as long as the fixed one is larger then it’s going to be correct
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:ChrispenEvan said:
¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
well as long as the fixed one is larger then it’s going to be correct
In that case my answer is: more than once.
Or
> (100^100)^0
if you prefer.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
I’m pretty sure in my left-over change from my travels I can find some 20c coins of different sizes.
But even if we accept the assumption of equal sizes, the answer isn’t 1 (which is actually the point of the question).
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
are the both australian 20c coins though? is one worn a bit and so smaller? the poser doesn’t specify.
channelling the rev here.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
This.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
I’m pretty sure in my left-over change from my travels I can find some 20c coins of different sizes.
But even if we accept the assumption of equal sizes, the answer isn’t 1 (which is actually the point of the question).
The question didn’t mention ‘of the same currency’ it could be any 20 cent coin.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
I’m pretty sure in my left-over change from my travels I can find some 20c coins of different sizes.
But even if we accept the assumption of equal sizes, the answer isn’t 1 (which is actually the point of the question).
Well, I did the experiment, and the answer is not 1, it must be bloody close to it.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
are the both australian 20c coins though? is one worn a bit and so smaller? the poser doesn’t specify.
channelling the rev here.
Sure. The 20c coin has been around since 1966 so there is that possibility.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
ChrispenEvan said:
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Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
I’m pretty sure in my left-over change from my travels I can find some 20c coins of different sizes.
But even if we accept the assumption of equal sizes, the answer isn’t 1 (which is actually the point of the question).
Well, I did the experiment, and if the answer is not 1, it must be bloody close to it.
“if”
Fixed.
ChrispenEvan said:
2
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
I’m pretty sure in my left-over change from my travels I can find some 20c coins of different sizes.
But even if we accept the assumption of equal sizes, the answer isn’t 1 (which is actually the point of the question).
Well, I did the experiment, and the answer is not 1, it must be bloody close to it.
Make one a well worn coin just for the fun of it. ;)
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
¼^(-1/2)
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
well as long as the fixed one is larger then it’s going to be correct
No it isn’t.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m pretty sure in my left-over change from my travels I can find some 20c coins of different sizes.
But even if we accept the assumption of equal sizes, the answer isn’t 1 (which is actually the point of the question).
Well, I did the experiment, and if the answer is not 1, it must be bloody close to it.
“if”
Fixed.
The question says that the coins must remain in contact, but it doesn’t say there is no slip between the surfaces in contact, so I’m changing my answer to 1.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Well, I did the experiment, and if the answer is not 1, it must be bloody close to it.
“if”
Fixed.
The question says that the coins must remain in contact, but it doesn’t say there is no slip between the surfaces in contact, so I’m changing my answer to 1.
;)
dv said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
well as long as the fixed one is larger then it’s going to be correct
No it isn’t.
I’m assuming SCIENCE inserted a virtual “at least” in there.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Well, I did the experiment, and if the answer is not 1, it must be bloody close to it.
“if”
Fixed.
The question says that the coins must remain in contact, but it doesn’t say there is no slip between the surfaces in contact, so I’m changing my answer to 1.
If we allow slip the answer could be 0. Or 298382.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:“if”
Fixed.
The question says that the coins must remain in contact, but it doesn’t say there is no slip between the surfaces in contact, so I’m changing my answer to 1.
If we allow slip the answer could be 0. Or 298382.
:)
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That is certainly a possible answer, and indeed the one I had in mind, but since we don’t know the relative sizes of the two coins, we cannot know the correct answer.
Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:Well, I did the experiment, and if the answer is not 1, it must be bloody close to it.
“if”
Fixed.
The question says that the coins must remain in contact, but it doesn’t say there is no slip between the surfaces in contact, so I’m changing my answer to 1.
I attached my coin to a drill and it did a burnout all the way around so my answer is approximately 658.
I couldn’t get an exact count coz the cops arrested me over halfway through and I had to extrapolate based on incomplete data.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:“if”
Fixed.
The question says that the coins must remain in contact, but it doesn’t say there is no slip between the surfaces in contact, so I’m changing my answer to 1.
If we allow slip the answer could be 0. Or 298382.
Well 1 is between 0 and 298382, is it not?
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Put a mark on both coins at the same place and see how long it takes the moving mark to get back to the same position.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Place the coins heads upright with one above the other. By the time the moving coin has reached the bottom( halfway around), it’s upright again.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Do you have any coins? Try it out.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Really?
They are both 20 cent coins, so it’s reasonable to assume they are identical.
Therefore their circumferences are identical.
So, the answer is 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Count how many times the top of the coin returns to the top position as it goes around.
Note that if the moving coin starts at the top, when it reaches the bottom, the top of the coin is now in contact with the stationary one, i.e. at the top, so the coin has done a complete revolution.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The question says that the coins must remain in contact, but it doesn’t say there is no slip between the surfaces in contact, so I’m changing my answer to 1.
If we allow slip the answer could be 0. Or 298382.
Well 1 is between 0 and 298382, is it not?
Prosecution will stip.
dv said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Do you have any coins? Try it out.
I did, and I said so.
I even used 20-cent pieces…
;)
dv said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_rotation_paradox#:~:text=The%20coin%20rotation%20paradox%20is,from%20an%20external%20reference%20frame.
Link.
Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Do you have any coins? Try it out.
sorry, i only have a picture of a five pound note
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Do you have any coins? Try it out.
sorry, i only have a picture of a five pound note
Not a very good likeness.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:Even with that, I can’t see how the answer is 2.
With that cardoid gif, how is that two rotations?
Do you have any coins? Try it out.
I did, and I said so.
I even used 20-cent pieces…
;)
Then what’s the issue? You’re seeing it with your own eyes.
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Do you have any coins? Try it out.
sorry, i only have a picture of a five pound note
Not a very good likeness.
Also makes him look somewhat wall eyed
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:sorry, i only have a picture of a five pound note
Not a very good likeness.
Also makes him look somewhat wall eyed
it is a The Goons reference.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Not a very good likeness.
Also makes him look somewhat wall eyed
it is a The Goons reference.
Should’ve been a three pound note then
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Not a very good likeness.
Also makes him look somewhat wall eyed
it is a The Goons reference.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:Also makes him look somewhat wall eyed
it is a The Goons reference.
Should’ve been a three pound note then
aye.
I mean I don’t think I can do better than the wikipedia article to explain.
The coin starts with Charles’s head right way up. You roll it 90 degrees. Now Charles’s head is upside down. Roll it another 90 degrees. Charles is now right way up again. The coin has now gone through 1 complete revolution.
Another 90 degrees, Charles is upside down. One more 90 degrees. Charles is now right way up again. The coin has gone through 2 revolutions.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Do you have any coins? Try it out.
I did, and I said so.
I even used 20-cent pieces…
;)
Then what’s the issue? You’re seeing it with your own eyes.
I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I did, and I said so.
I even used 20-cent pieces…
;)
Then what’s the issue? You’re seeing it with your own eyes.
I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I did, and I said so.
I even used 20-cent pieces…
;)
Then what’s the issue? You’re seeing it with your own eyes.
I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
I think I’ll go and have a cry. I don’t get it.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I did, and I said so.
I even used 20-cent pieces…
;)
Then what’s the issue? You’re seeing it with your own eyes.
I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
How many times is the red dot on the left side of the moving coin?
Kingy said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Then what’s the issue? You’re seeing it with your own eyes.
I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
How many times is the red dot on the left side of the moving coin?
Lookout
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Then what’s the issue? You’re seeing it with your own eyes.
I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
I think I’ll go and have a cry. I don’t get it.
Well it’s not that big a deal, don’t stress about it.
dv said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
I think I’ll go and have a cry. I don’t get it.
Well it’s not that big a deal, don’t stress about it.
He’s out there in the hot sun, brutally hacking bamboo to get it all out of his system. ;)
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
well as long as the fixed one is larger then it’s going to be correct
No it isn’t.
I’m assuming SCIENCE inserted a virtual “at least” in there.
seems unfair, would you say that in our proposed instances, the coin does not turn around 2 times
Peak Warming Man said:
Kingy said:
Michael V said:
I have no idea. What I see is a single turn. I lined up the “II“s on the writing on the obverse of each coin.
How many times is the red dot on the left side of the moving coin?
Lookout
The correct answer is 1ce because left is defined by updown and frontback axes so it is always on the left.
SCIENCE said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Kingy said:
How many times is the red dot on the left side of the moving coin?
Lookout
The correct answer is 1ce because left is defined by updown and frontback axes so it is always on the left.
which is what makes Michael V 的 interpretation correct as well, because the orbit subtracts 1 from the external frame of reference observed number of turns
dv said:
I mean I don’t think I can do better than the wikipedia article to explain.The coin starts with Charles’s head right way up. You roll it 90 degrees. Now Charles’s head is upside down. Roll it another 90 degrees. Charles is now right way up again. The coin has now gone through 1 complete revolution.
Another 90 degrees, Charles is upside down. One more 90 degrees. Charles is now right way up again. The coin has gone through 2 revolutions.
Friend Michael, here is an image to accompany these notes.
dv said:
dv said:
I mean I don’t think I can do better than the wikipedia article to explain.The coin starts with Charles’s head right way up. You roll it 90 degrees. Now Charles’s head is upside down. Roll it another 90 degrees. Charles is now right way up again. The coin has now gone through 1 complete revolution.
Another 90 degrees, Charles is upside down. One more 90 degrees. Charles is now right way up again. The coin has gone through 2 revolutions.
Friend Michael, here is an image to accompany these notes.
OK, ta.
I have now confirmed that with my two coins. I was totally wrong.
I don’t know what I was seeing incorrectly with the “II” in my first experiments.
Now I can rest
dv said:
Now I can rest
I feel I need one, too.
But I have bamboo to harvest when the yard dries out.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Now I can rest
I feel I need one, too.
But I have bamboo to harvest when the yard dries out.
Is it as high as the elephant’s eye?
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
Now I can rest
I feel I need one, too.
But I have bamboo to harvest when the yard dries out.
Is it as high as the elephant’s eye?
It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I feel I need one, too.
But I have bamboo to harvest when the yard dries out.
Is it as high as the elephant’s eye?
It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
I have four new shoots that are each over a metre high. They’ve all grown at least 150 mm in the last 24 hours.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:I feel I need one, too.
But I have bamboo to harvest when the yard dries out.
Is it as high as the elephant’s eye?
It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
O. sulcatum where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Is it as high as the elephant’s eye?
It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
I have four new shoots that are each over a metre high. They’ve all grown at least 150 mm in the last 24 hours.
I’ve been watching something like that in Doctor Who
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Is it as high as the elephant’s eye?
It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
I have four new shoots that are each over a metre high. They’ve all grown at least 150 mm in the last 24 hours.
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Is it as high as the elephant’s eye?
It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
O. sulcatum where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain
Pass.
Perhaps I need a Furry with a Syringe on top. Or maybe June, who’s busting out all over, all over the meadows and the hills.
Arts said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
I have four new shoots that are each over a metre high. They’ve all grown at least 150 mm in the last 24 hours.
Tomorrow you’ll find a golden goose
Maybe, maybe.
I can only hope.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
O. sulcatum where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain
Pass.
Perhaps I need a Furry with a Syringe on top. Or maybe June, who’s busting out all over, all over the meadows and the hills.
Is she indeed
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:It looks like it’s climbing right up to the sky.
O. sulcatum where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain
Pass.
Perhaps I need a Furry with a Syringe on top. Or maybe June, who’s busting out all over, all over the meadows and the hills.
have you guys tried singing over the hills and faraway?
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
dv said:O. sulcatum where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain
Pass.
Perhaps I need a Furry with a Syringe on top. Or maybe June, who’s busting out all over, all over the meadows and the hills.
have you guys tried singing over the hills and faraway?
No.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
dv said:O. sulcatum where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain
Pass.
Perhaps I need a Furry with a Syringe on top. Or maybe June, who’s busting out all over, all over the meadows and the hills.
have you guys tried singing over the hills and faraway?
Couldn’t think of a better place for them to sing, hey what but!
Woodie said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:Pass.
Perhaps I need a Furry with a Syringe on top. Or maybe June, who’s busting out all over, all over the meadows and the hills.
have you guys tried singing over the hills and faraway?
Couldn’t think of a better place for them to sing, hey what but!
Pffft.
bloody whiney poo-bums. here.
ChrispenEvan said:
bloody whiney poo-bums. here.
Still going for b)
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
bloody whiney poo-bums. here.
Still going for b)
+1
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
bloody whiney poo-bums. here.
Still going for b)
+1
It seems we are all agreed then.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Still going for b)
+1
It seems we are all agreed then.
Did they give an answer?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:+1
It seems we are all agreed then.
Did they give an answer?
No. They are on the ABC Science FB page.
I think B or E both work?
dv said:
I think B or E both work?
E can’t be right because that would mean C is right which can’t be the case if E is right.
dv said:
I think B or E both work?
If e is right then c is right, so e is wrong, so c is wrong …
answers next post.
The Old Man and the Sea
The Grapes Of Wrath
War and Peace
Gone With the Wind
The Prince of Tides
Great Expectations
Pride and Prejudice
The Catcher in the Eye
To Kill a Mockingbird
A Farewell to Arms
1984
Crime and Punishment
The Sound and the Fury
Lord of the Flies
A Tale of Two Cities
Of Mice and Men
The Red Badge of Courage
The Sun Also Rises
Boris said:
answers next post.
I got 23 of them
dv said:
Boris said:
answers next post.
I got 23 of them
25
off to a good start
Boris said:
off to a good start
The answers remain the same:
There is an equal probability that the total of the three dice will be 9 or 10.
Alternative pedant answer.
You are throwing three dice, so the probability of throwing 9 or 10 dice is exactly zero.
So same answer either way.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
off to a good start
The answers remain the same:
There is an equal probability that the total of the three dice will be 9 or 10.Alternative pedant answer.
You are throwing three dice, so the probability of throwing 9 or 10 dice is exactly zero.
So same answer either way.
I’m with the Rev.
10 is more likely
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
off to a good start
The answers remain the same:
There is an equal probability that the total of the three dice will be 9 or 10.Alternative pedant answer.
You are throwing three dice, so the probability of throwing 9 or 10 dice is exactly zero.
So same answer either way.
I’m with the Rev.
cohabitating or just a visit?
Assuming fair six-sided dice, 10 and 11 are equally likely; 9 and twelve are also equally likely, but less likely than 10 and 11. So 10 is more likely than 9.
There are 27 ways of rolling 10 or 11, but only 25 ways of rolling 9 or 12. Pr(10) = 27/216 = 12.5%; Pr(9) = 25/216 = 11.6%
>>Assuming fair six-sided dice
Fair?
This is the Forum and everything’s a knife fight.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Assuming fair six-sided diceFair?
This is the Forum and everything’s a knife fight.
Careful. Some of us are good with guns. ;)
btm said:
Assuming fair six-sided dice, 10 and 11 are equally likely; 9 and twelve are also equally likely, but less likely than 10 and 11. So 10 is more likely than 9.There are 27 ways of rolling 10 or 11, but only 25 ways of rolling 9 or 12. Pr(10) = 27/216 = 12.5%; Pr(9) = 25/216 = 11.6%
Damn, that’s what I was going to say, then I convinced myself that there were an equal number of ways to roll 9 or 10.
But checking more carefully, I agree with your numbers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
btm said:
Assuming fair six-sided dice, 10 and 11 are equally likely; 9 and twelve are also equally likely, but less likely than 10 and 11. So 10 is more likely than 9.There are 27 ways of rolling 10 or 11, but only 25 ways of rolling 9 or 12. Pr(10) = 27/216 = 12.5%; Pr(9) = 25/216 = 11.6%
Damn, that’s what I was going to say, then I convinced myself that there were an equal number of ways to roll 9 or 10.
But checking more carefully, I agree with your numbers.
I agree with the Rev.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
btm said:
Assuming fair six-sided dice, 10 and 11 are equally likely; 9 and twelve are also equally likely, but less likely than 10 and 11. So 10 is more likely than 9.There are 27 ways of rolling 10 or 11, but only 25 ways of rolling 9 or 12. Pr(10) = 27/216 = 12.5%; Pr(9) = 25/216 = 11.6%
Damn, that’s what I was going to say, then I convinced myself that there were an equal number of ways to roll 9 or 10.
But checking more carefully, I agree with your numbers.
I agree with the Rev.
While you are in such an agreeable mood:
Climate change is a real problem.
What am I, Scotch liver?
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
idgi
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
I presume you are made of meat like the rest of us.
But I didn’t see your earlier post for some reason.
Anyway, it seems we are all agreed.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
I presume you are made of meat like the rest of us.
But I didn’t see your earlier post for some reason.
Anyway, it seems we are all agreed.
he’s made of meat!
Boris said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
I presume you are made of meat like the rest of us.
But I didn’t see your earlier post for some reason.
Anyway, it seems we are all agreed.
he’s made of meat!
“Thinking meat! You’re asking me to believe in thinking meat!”
Michael V said:
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
idgi
So there are a couple of expressions that I have merged here for hunorous effect.
I was suggesting that my early correct answer had been overlooked.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
I presume you are made of meat like the rest of us.
But I didn’t see your earlier post for some reason.
Anyway, it seems we are all agreed.
FWIW, I didn’t bother to work out the actual probabilities: I just knew that the function would be symmetrical with a gradient that was 0 at the line of symmetry, and given that the average result is 10.5, 10 and 11 be the highest probability, with 9 and 12 thus lower.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
I presume you are made of meat like the rest of us.
But I didn’t see your earlier post for some reason.
Anyway, it seems we are all agreed.
FWIW, I didn’t bother to work out the actual probabilities: I just knew that the function would be symmetrical with a gradient that was 0 at the line of symmetry, and given that the average result is 10.5, 10 and 11 be the highest probability, with 9 and 12 thus lower.
^
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
idgi
So there are a couple of expressions that I have merged here for hunorous effect.
I was suggesting that my early correct answer had been overlooked.
Ah. Thanks.
I know of Scotch Mist (the weather phenomenon).
I didn’t know the other stuff.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
What am I, Scotch liver?
I presume you are made of meat like the rest of us.
But I didn’t see your earlier post for some reason.
Anyway, it seems we are all agreed.
FWIW, I didn’t bother to work out the actual probabilities: I just knew that the function would be symmetrical with a gradient that was 0 at the line of symmetry, and given that the average result is 10.5, 10 and 11 be the highest probability, with 9 and 12 thus lower.
Using logic that now escapes me, I somehow convinced myself that there was a range of numbers with equal probability, including 9 and 10.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I presume you are made of meat like the rest of us.
But I didn’t see your earlier post for some reason.
Anyway, it seems we are all agreed.
FWIW, I didn’t bother to work out the actual probabilities: I just knew that the function would be symmetrical with a gradient that was 0 at the line of symmetry, and given that the average result is 10.5, 10 and 11 be the highest probability, with 9 and 12 thus lower.
Using logic that now escapes me, I somehow convinced myself that there was a range of numbers with equal probability, including 9 and 10.
well there is a range of numbers
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:FWIW, I didn’t bother to work out the actual probabilities: I just knew that the function would be symmetrical with a gradient that was 0 at the line of symmetry, and given that the average result is 10.5, 10 and 11 be the highest probability, with 9 and 12 thus lower.
Using logic that now escapes me, I somehow convinced myself that there was a range of numbers with equal probability, including 9 and 10.
well there is a range of numbers
… and it does include 10.
So only a tiny mistake, but it does lead to the wrong answer.
Surprising how often that happens :)
Boris said:
I’ll have to tease my brain ironically a little longer on that one.
Boris said:
As heavy as you can carry.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
I’ll have to tease my brain ironically a little longer on that one.
Yeah I will need a coffee, nothing is leaping out at me
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Boris said:
I’ll have to tease my brain ironically a little longer on that one.
Yeah I will need a coffee, nothing is leaping out at me
Well I’ve had my coffee but I still don’t get this. It’s pretty rare, usually these are too easy and we are struggling to find pedantry. Doesn’t appear to have anything to do with Roman numerals and nor is it some system where letters have values.
dv said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ll have to tease my brain ironically a little longer on that one.
Yeah I will need a coffee, nothing is leaping out at me
Well I’ve had my coffee but I still don’t get this. It’s pretty rare, usually these are too easy and we are struggling to find pedantry. Doesn’t appear to have anything to do with Roman numerals and nor is it some system where letters have values.
Well that’s a relief.
I was thinking maybe line numbers of the start or end of some famous text, but can’t think what it might be.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
dv said:Yeah I will need a coffee, nothing is leaping out at me
Well I’ve had my coffee but I still don’t get this. It’s pretty rare, usually these are too easy and we are struggling to find pedantry. Doesn’t appear to have anything to do with Roman numerals and nor is it some system where letters have values.
Well that’s a relief.
I was thinking maybe line numbers of the start or end of some famous text, but can’t think what it might be.
Finally got it.
LOAD is 82.
Michael V said:
Boris said:
As heavy as you can carry.
SO MV’s cryptic answer was spot on :)
Well I guess I ain’t getting it today, even though you’ve told me the answer and given a clue :-)
dv said:
Well I guess I ain’t getting it today, even though you’ve told me the answer and given a clue :-)
Periodic table…
furious said:
dv said:
Well I guess I ain’t getting it today, even though you’ve told me the answer and given a clue :-)
Periodic table…
Ha. Well done youse.
It’s funny, I was looking at the first three and thinking “this kind of looks like baryonic”
dv said:
furious said:
dv said:
Well I guess I ain’t getting it today, even though you’ve told me the answer and given a clue :-)
Periodic table…
Ha. Well done youse.
It’s funny, I was looking at the first three and thinking “this kind of looks like baryonic”
The words were indeed both the start and end of lines from a very well-known text.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
furious said:Periodic table…
Ha. Well done youse.
It’s funny, I was looking at the first three and thinking “this kind of looks like baryonic”
The words were indeed both the start and end of lines from a very well-known text.
Perhaps you should tell the others that dont know.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Ha. Well done youse.
It’s funny, I was looking at the first three and thinking “this kind of looks like baryonic”
The words were indeed both the start and end of lines from a very well-known text.
Perhaps you should tell the others that dont know.
It’s elementary my dear Warm-man.
Just consider the things that occur at the given positions in the list of all basic things, and it will lead you to the answer.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The words were indeed both the start and end of lines from a very well-known text.
Perhaps you should tell the others that dont know.
It’s elementary my dear Warm-man.
Just consider the things that occur at the given positions in the list of all basic things, and it will lead you to the answer.
Or, it will load you to the answer…
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Perhaps you should tell the others that dont know.
It’s elementary my dear Warm-man.
Just consider the things that occur at the given positions in the list of all basic things, and it will lead you to the answer.
Or, it will load you to the answer…
also some of them are acidic
SCIENCE said:
furious said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
It’s elementary my dear Warm-man.
Just consider the things that occur at the given positions in the list of all basic things, and it will lead you to the answer.
Or, it will load you to the answer…
also some of them are acidic
Not sure of the significance of that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
furious said:
Or, it will load you to the answer…
also some of them are acidic
Not sure of the significance of that.
and some of them are amphoteric
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
also some of them are acidic
Not sure of the significance of that.
and some of them are amphoteric
Reviews thread.
Ah, I said it was the list of all basic things.
My mistake.
Bogsnorkler said:
Dan
Eva
Natasha
Otis
Bogsnorkler said:
Dan
Eva
Natasha
Otis
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Dan
Eva
Natasha
Otis
2 minutes 2 slow :)
Thanks FB
Turn the light on, feel the faces, or put ten coins into one pile and flip them all over…
dv said:
Thanks FB
I have two 1 litre containers, one full of water, the other full of alcohol (although there’s a little space for the experiment.) I take a teaspoonful of alcohol and add it to the water, and mix thoroughly, then take a teaspoonful of the resulting water/alcohol mixture, add it to the alcohol, and mix thoroughly. Is there now more water in the alcohol, more alcohol in the water, or are they the same?
btm said:
dv said:
Thanks FB
I have two 1 litre containers, one full of water, the other full of alcohol (although there’s a little space for the experiment.) I take a teaspoonful of alcohol and add it to the water, and mix thoroughly, then take a teaspoonful of the resulting water/alcohol mixture, add it to the alcohol, and mix thoroughly. Is there now more water in the alcohol, more alcohol in the water, or are they the same?
Easy answer is same, and that would be the case if they took, say, a gram instead of a teaspoon. Straightforward conservation of mass would tell us that the amount of contaminant in one is the same as the contaminant in the other.
However in the real world volume is not conserved when you mix polar liquids, and the function is non-linear and assymetrical, and this is going to mess this one up. I ain’t gonna look up the tables but it will go something like this.
1000 mL of water plus 5 mL of alcohol makes slightly less than 1005 mL of solution. Let’s call the difference X. You now have 1005 – X mL of a dilute solution of alcohol. You take 5 mL of that solution, which leaves 1000 – X mL of solution. You put that 5 mL in the 995 mL of alcohol: and the result is slightly less than 1000 – Y mL. But X does not equal Y. One of those containers contains more fluid, and also more contaminant, but you’d need to look up reference works to know which it is and I’m not mooded to do that.
furious said:
Turn the light on, feel the faces, or put ten coins into one pile and flip them all over…
I was only going to give 1/3 of those answers, but they are all valid.
Also you could use your phone torch to see the coins.
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:
Turn the light on, feel the faces, or put ten coins into one pile and flip them all over…
I was only going to give 1/3 of those answers, but they are all valid.
Also you could use your phone torch to see the coins.
Turn the light on
Feel the faces
Here we are now
Entertain us
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
furious said:
Turn the light on, feel the faces, or put ten coins into one pile and flip them all over…
I was only going to give 1/3 of those answers, but they are all valid.
Also you could use your phone torch to see the coins.
Turn the light on
Feel the faces
Here we are now
Entertain us
Funny…
furious said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I was only going to give 1/3 of those answers, but they are all valid.
Also you could use your phone torch to see the coins.
Turn the light on
Feel the faces
Here we are now
Entertain us
Funny…
Having now done my own research on this:
Did you have that song in mind when you wrote your answer?
Bogsnorkler said:
Mishap
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Mishap
Please show working.
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
Bogsnorkler said:
I had an issue with my parachute over the ocean, I was quite anxious so to avoid a mishap I came home,
So it’s mansion.
Over.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
Parachute (9 Letters)
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Mishap
Please show working.
The rest include the /ʃ/ sound (voiceless postalveolar fricative ).
Bogsnorkler said:
If they’re pronouncing issue “ishoo”, then it’s mishap.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
it has no interior
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
Also the only one starting and ending with a vowel.
And only one including a woman’s name.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
it has no interior
What is this interior thing it doesn’t have?
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
dv said:
Mishap
Please show working.
The rest include the /ʃ/ sound (voiceless postalveolar fricative ).
what
issue is the only one without a Nordic æ
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
Also the only one starting and ending with a vowel.
And only one including a woman’s name.
Only one can save your life if you fall out of an aeroplane.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
But anxious is the only one with ‘x’
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
Also the only one starting and ending with a vowel.
And only one including a woman’s name.
Only one can save your life if you fall out of an aeroplane.
That’s debatable. The ocean might save your life in some such circumstances.
Or you might land on a trampoline on the roof terrace garden of a mansion.
Divine Angel said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
But anxious is the only one with ‘x’
parachute, 3 syllables.
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Please show working.
The rest include the /ʃ/ sound (voiceless postalveolar fricative ).
what
issue is the only one without a Nordic æ
what
Like (despite Car’s fogeying) they all contain the sh sound except for the one that contains the letter s followed by the letter h…
Bogsnorkler said:
Divine Angel said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
But anxious is the only one with ‘x’
parachute, 3 syllables.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
The rest include the /ʃ/ sound (voiceless postalveolar fricative ).
what
issue is the only one without a Nordic æ
what
Like (despite Car’s fogeying) they all contain the sh sound except for the one that contains the letter s followed by the letter h…
sure but some may say
mishæp
pæraʃoot
osiæn
ænʃius
mænʃen
Bogsnorkler said:
Divine Angel said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
But anxious is the only one with ‘x’
parachute, 3 syllables.
The all contain a gender related term, such as ‘is or she, except for parachute.
Has anyone ever told you lot that you’re a bunch of nerds?
issue has no obliques
Divine Angel said:
Has anyone ever told you lot that you’re a bunch of nerds?
yes, but not twice.
Divine Angel said:
Has anyone ever told you lot that you’re a bunch of nerds?
She’s right, you lot should be ashamed.
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Has anyone ever told you lot that you’re a bunch of nerds?
She’s right, you lot should be ashamed.
Only the true nerd denies his own nerdinity.
Bogsnorkler said:
Divine Angel said:
Has anyone ever told you lot that you’re a bunch of nerds?
yes, but not twice.
So thrice?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
Has anyone ever told you lot that you’re a bunch of nerds?
She’s right, you lot should be ashamed.
Only the true nerd denies his own nerdinity.
¡we never!
wait
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Mishap
Anxious.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
Fair.
dv said:
Divine Angel said:
dv said:Mishap
Please show working.
The rest include the /ʃ/ sound (voiceless postalveolar fricative ).
Fair.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Well that one could be a pedant’s delight, but I’m going for ISSUE as the only one with a double letter.
Also the only one starting and ending with a vowel.
And only one including a woman’s name.
Gosh. So many fair answers.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Mishap
Anxious.
Excellent.
We have now had votes for all of them except ocean, so ocean is the odd one out because it is the only one without anything odd about it.
Michael V said:
dv said:
Divine Angel said:Please show working.
The rest include the /ʃ/ sound (voiceless postalveolar fricative ).
Fair.
:)
You’re in a fair-minded mood
Divine Angel said:
Has anyone ever told you lot that you’re a bunch of nerds?
LOL
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:The rest include the /ʃ/ sound (voiceless postalveolar fricative ).
Fair.
:)
You’re in a fair-minded mood
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Mishap
Anxious.
Excellent.
We have now had votes for all of them except ocean, so ocean is the odd one out because it is the only one without anything odd about it.
I vote ocean, because it’s the only one that refers to a large body of water; it’s also both a proper and common noun.
btm said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:Anxious.
Excellent.
We have now had votes for all of them except ocean, so ocean is the odd one out because it is the only one without anything odd about it.
I vote ocean, because it’s the only one that refers to a large body of water; it’s also both a proper and common noun.
Someone always has to come along and spoil it :)
So did they announce the answer?
Don’t get your brass monkeys in a twist about this poser
ChrispenEvan said:
Don’t get your brass monkeys in a twist about this poser
If I understand what they mean… 10
ChrispenEvan said:
Don’t get your brass monkeys in a twist about this poser
I make it 16.
I suppose it is a bit ambig but if by my understanding of what they mean, here are the permutations
AAAABC
AAABBC
AAABCC
AABBBC
AABBCC
AABCCC
ABBBBC
ABBBCC
ABBCCC
ABCCCC
dv said:
I suppose it is a bit ambig but if by my understanding of what they mean, here are the permutationsAAAABC
AAABBC
AAABCC
AABBBC
AABBCC
AABCCC
ABBBBC
ABBBCC
ABBCCC
ABCCCC
+
AAAAAA
AAAAAB
AAAABB
AAABBB
AABBBB
ABBBBB
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I suppose it is a bit ambig but if by my understanding of what they mean, here are the permutationsAAAABC
AAABBC
AAABCC
AABBBC
AABBCC
AABCCC
ABBBBC
ABBBCC
ABBCCC
ABCCCC
+
AAAAAA
AAAAAB
AAAABB
AAABBB
AABBBB
ABBBBB
Actually re-reading, on the first shot it is allowed to turn to the second target and fire at that, so there should be a BB option for all cases that start AB, so that makes it 21.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I suppose it is a bit ambig but if by my understanding of what they mean, here are the permutationsAAAABC
AAABBC
AAABCC
AABBBC
AABBCC
AABCCC
ABBBBC
ABBBCC
ABBCCC
ABCCCC
+
AAAAAA
AAAAAB
AAAABB
AAABBB
AABBBB
ABBBBB
I was taking them to mean that all three must be hit.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I suppose it is a bit ambig but if by my understanding of what they mean, here are the permutationsAAAABC
AAABBC
AAABCC
AABBBC
AABBCC
AABCCC
ABBBBC
ABBBCC
ABBCCC
ABCCCC
+
AAAAAA
AAAAAB
AAAABB
AAABBB
AABBBB
ABBBBBI was taking them to mean that all three must be hit.
But it doesn’t say that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I suppose it is a bit ambig but if by my understanding of what they mean, here are the permutationsAAAABC
AAABBC
AAABCC
AABBBC
AABBCC
AABCCC
ABBBBC
ABBBCC
ABBCCC
ABCCCC
+
AAAAAA
AAAAAB
AAAABB
AAABBB
AABBBB
ABBBBBActually re-reading, on the first shot it is allowed to turn to the second target and fire at that, so there should be a BB option for all cases that start AB, so that makes it 21.
Can you list your 21?
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:+
AAAAAA
AAAAAB
AAAABB
AAABBB
AABBBB
ABBBBBActually re-reading, on the first shot it is allowed to turn to the second target and fire at that, so there should be a BB option for all cases that start AB, so that makes it 21.
Can you list your 21?
As above +
BBBBBB
BBBBBC
BBBBCC
BBBCCC
BBCCCC
BCCCCC
So it should be 22.
Unless we argue that they keep firing at the same target until it is hit, which takes us back to 16.
ChrispenEvan said:
Spring?
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Spring?
appears to be the consensus position.
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Spring?
Can’t think of anything better.
Just solved last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, after a week of pondering, so here it is.
If we split 2025 into 20 + 25 and square the result we get 45^2 = 2025.
Change one digit so that process still works; that is (ab + cd)^2 = abcd
There is one other 4 digit number where that process works.
What is it? (It ends with 1).
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just solved last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, after a week of pondering, so here it is.If we split 2025 into 20 + 25 and square the result we get 45^2 = 2025.
Change one digit so that process still works; that is (ab + cd)^2 = abcd
There is one other 4 digit number where that process works.
What is it? (It ends with 1).
9801
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just solved last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, after a week of pondering, so here it is.If we split 2025 into 20 + 25 and square the result we get 45^2 = 2025.
Change one digit so that process still works; that is (ab + cd)^2 = abcd
There is one other 4 digit number where that process works.
What is it? (It ends with 1).
Change one digit so that the process still works and (It ends with 1) imply that 2021 is the answer. It isn’t (412=1681,) so the question, as posed, has no answer. Ignoring the Change one digit bit allows the answer to be 9801.
What 6-digit number multiplied by four gives the same digits in reverse (ie abcdef×4=fedcba)?
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just solved last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, after a week of pondering, so here it is.If we split 2025 into 20 + 25 and square the result we get 45^2 = 2025.
Change one digit so that process still works; that is (ab + cd)^2 = abcd
There is one other 4 digit number where that process works.
What is it? (It ends with 1).
9801
You got there much quicker than I did :)
btm said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just solved last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, after a week of pondering, so here it is.If we split 2025 into 20 + 25 and square the result we get 45^2 = 2025.
Change one digit so that process still works; that is (ab + cd)^2 = abcd
There is one other 4 digit number where that process works.
What is it? (It ends with 1).
Change one digit so that the process still works and (It ends with 1) imply that 2021 is the answer. It isn’t (412=1681,) so the question, as posed, has no answer. Ignoring the Change one digit bit allows the answer to be 9801.
What 6-digit number multiplied by four gives the same digits in reverse (ie abcdef×4=fedcba)?
The ends with 1 bit only applies to the second part.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just solved last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, after a week of pondering, so here it is.If we split 2025 into 20 + 25 and square the result we get 45^2 = 2025.
Change one digit so that process still works; that is (ab + cd)^2 = abcd
There is one other 4 digit number where that process works.
What is it? (It ends with 1).
9801
You got there much quicker than I did :)
You told us it ends in 1 so I assumed it’s divisible by 3, so 99 × 99 was an obvious one to try.
The Rev Dodgson said:
btm said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just solved last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, after a week of pondering, so here it is.If we split 2025 into 20 + 25 and square the result we get 45^2 = 2025.
Change one digit so that process still works; that is (ab + cd)^2 = abcd
There is one other 4 digit number where that process works.
What is it? (It ends with 1).
Change one digit so that the process still works and (It ends with 1) imply that 2021 is the answer. It isn’t (412=1681,) so the question, as posed, has no answer. Ignoring the Change one digit bit allows the answer to be 9801.
What 6-digit number multiplied by four gives the same digits in reverse (ie abcdef×4=fedcba)?
The ends with 1 bit only applies to the second part.
OK. Then 3025.
JudgeMental said:
Possibilities include:
Why not all 3?
None of those, he prefers to write with a fountain pen.
I have no idea.
JudgeMental said:
b)
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
b)
What is the reasoning for that?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
b)
What is the reasoning for that?
simple arithmetic
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:b)
What is the reasoning for that?
simple arithmetic
Any chance of a little more detail?
I too choose b).
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
What is the reasoning for that?
simple arithmetic
Any chance of a little more detail?
we are sure their method becomes apparent
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What is the reasoning for that?
simple arithmetic
Any chance of a little more detail?
JudgeMental said:
I don’t understand the question.
But I do know it is lacking commas.
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
b)
Please show working.
Divine Angel said:
JudgeMental said:
I don’t understand the question.
But I do know it is lacking commas.
what question
Michael V said:
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
b)
Please show working.
no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:
b)
Please show working.
no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
I don’t even know where to start.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Please show working.
no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
I don’t even know where to start.
in the west, going slowly further eastward
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:Michael V said:
Please show working.
no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
I don’t even know where to start.
How many letters are there in each word?
such a spoil
SCIENCE said:
Divine Angel said:
JudgeMental said:
I don’t understand the question.
But I do know it is lacking commas.
what question
Yours lacks a question mark.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
I don’t even know where to start.
in the west, going slowly further eastward
But answer b) is speedily. ;)
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Ian said:
b)
Please show working.
no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
OK, I finally get it.
Not very keen on that one.
D’oh! I shoulda guessed it was a numbers game, those brain teasers are always about numbers.
Divine Angel said:
D’oh! I shoulda guessed it was a numbers game, those brain teasers are always about numbers.
Except when they are about letters.
It even says it about letters.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
D’oh! I shoulda guessed it was a numbers game, those brain teasers are always about numbers.
Except when they are about letters.
It even says it about letters.
That’s the clue.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
b)
What is the reasoning for that?
simple arithmetic
Any chance of a little more detail?
we are sure their method becomes apparent
Please show working.
no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
I don’t even know where to start.
in the west, going slowly further eastward
OK, I finally get it.
Not very keen on that one.
wow bloody tough crowd here today
SCIENCE said:
…
wow bloody tough crowd here today
Always was always will be.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
in the west, going slowly further eastward
OK, I finally get it.
Not very keen on that one.
wow bloody tough crowd here today
I’m sure the ABC pedantic nerd who writes these will survive my lack of appreciation.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, I finally get it.
Not very keen on that one.
wow bloody tough crowd here today
I’m sure the ABC pedantic nerd who writes these will survive my lack of appreciation.
It is likely that nerd doesn’t even know we exist.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, I finally get it.
Not very keen on that one.
wow bloody tough crowd here today
I’m sure the ABC pedantic nerd who writes these will survive my lack of appreciation.
nah we meant count our words here but it’s all right we were just having a bit of a laugh
btm said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:no, try just doing simple numeric analysis
I don’t even know where to start.
How many letters are there in each word?
Ah. Thanks, I see now.
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 letters in order.
Therefore 8 is next, so b) – speedily, which has 8 letters.
Ta.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
OK, I finally get it.
Not very keen on that one.
wow bloody tough crowd here today
I’m sure the ABC pedantic nerd who writes these will survive my lack of appreciation.
Seems like it might be SCIENCE.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:wow bloody tough crowd here today
I’m sure the ABC pedantic nerd who writes these will survive my lack of appreciation.
Seems like it might be SCIENCE.
Not this bloke? 
Here’s last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, which is a proper mathematical one.
A game consists of a large number of different tiles.
For each tile there are:
3 possible sizes
3 possible shapes
3 possible colours
3 possible surface textures
3 possible letters.
If the complete set consists of 1 tile with each possible combination of features, how many tiles are there?
A meld consists of any group of 3 tiles where for each feature each tile is either the same or they are all different. For instance, a meld might have 3 small tiles, or 1 small, 1 medium and 1 large, but not 2 of one size and 1 of a different size.
If you select one tile, how many melds include that tile?
How many different melds are there in total?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Here’s last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, which is a proper mathematical one.A game consists of a large number of different tiles.
For each tile there are:
3 possible sizes
3 possible shapes
3 possible colours
3 possible surface textures
3 possible letters.If the complete set consists of 1 tile with each possible combination of features, how many tiles are there?
A meld consists of any group of 3 tiles where for each feature each tile is either the same or they are all different. For instance, a meld might have 3 small tiles, or 1 small, 1 medium and 1 large, but not 2 of one size and 1 of a different size.
If you select one tile, how many melds include that tile?
How many different melds are there in total?
Haven’t really checked this but my first answer will be as follows
First question: 3^5 = 243
Second question:
If I pick a particular tile, for a particular property (shape, say), there are three ways to make a meld. e.g. if its a circle, then circle circle circle, circle square triangle, circle triangle square.
However, for the first property, I am going to say that those last two basically count the same, because we have a choice of the order in which the other two tiles are counted.
So I’m thinking 2 × 3 × 3 × 3 × 3 = 162
Third question:
For that particular tile, there are 241 × 242 /2 = 29161 sets of three containing it. I suppose there are 241 × 242 × 243 / 6 = 2362041 sets of three tiles altogether, so … maybe it’s 2362041 * 162 / 29161 = 13122? Don’t bet the house on it.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Here’s last week’s New Scientist brain teaser, which is a proper mathematical one.A game consists of a large number of different tiles.
For each tile there are:
3 possible sizes
3 possible shapes
3 possible colours
3 possible surface textures
3 possible letters.If the complete set consists of 1 tile with each possible combination of features, how many tiles are there?
A meld consists of any group of 3 tiles where for each feature each tile is either the same or they are all different. For instance, a meld might have 3 small tiles, or 1 small, 1 medium and 1 large, but not 2 of one size and 1 of a different size.
If you select one tile, how many melds include that tile?
How many different melds are there in total?
Haven’t really checked this but my first answer will be as follows
First question: 3^5 = 243Second question:
If I pick a particular tile, for a particular property (shape, say), there are three ways to make a meld. e.g. if its a circle, then circle circle circle, circle square triangle, circle triangle square.
However, for the first property, I am going to say that those last two basically count the same, because we have a choice of the order in which the other two tiles are counted.
So I’m thinking 2 × 3 × 3 × 3 × 3 = 162Third question:
For that particular tile, there are 241 × 242 /2 = 29161 sets of three containing it. I suppose there are 241 × 242 × 243 / 6 = 2362041 sets of three tiles altogether, so … maybe it’s 2362041 * 162 / 29161 = 13122? Don’t bet the house on it.
Oh good, dv got it wrong :) (except for part 1, 243 tiles is right)
In case anyone else wants to have a go, I’ll post the correct answer this evening.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Oh good, dv got it wrong :)
Well I’m glad I’ve made someone’s day
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Oh good, dv got it wrong :)
Well I’m glad I’ve made someone’s day
:)
OK, here’s my answer, which is the same as the NS answer.
For the number of melds including a specific tile:
We know tile 1.
Any of the remaining 242 tiles could form part of a meld with tile 1.
Once we have chosen tile 2, there is only 1 tile that can form a meld with those two tiles.
So we will have 242 possible melds, but there will be a second copy of every meld, when tiles 2 and 3 are reversed, so there are 121 different melds containing any specific tile.
Similarly, for total possible melds there are 243 possible tiles for tile 1, 242 for tile 2, and 1 for tile 3, but each selection of 3 tiles has 6 possible arrangements, so the number of possible melds is 243 × 242 × 1/6 = 9801
As a check, each tile will appear in 3 melds, so the number of melds with a specific tile is 9801/243 * 3 = 121
ChrispenEvan said:
I have an answer and some pedantic comment to add, but I will post both later.
ChrispenEvan said:
Linux?
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I have an answer and some pedantic comment to add, but I will post both later.
I’ve got an answer to that one too, but I’ll wait. I don’t think this one pertains to numbers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I have an answer and some pedantic comment to add, but I will post both later.
Yeah I have the answer too but I don’t want to spoil it for everyone, that’s the sort of bloke I am.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I have an answer and some pedantic comment to add, but I will post both later.
I’ve got an answer to that one too, but I’ll wait. I don’t think this one pertains to numbers.
My pedantic comment pertains to numbers and capitals.
ChrispenEvan said:
I have three possible answers. Are they important with regard to The Rev’s pedantry? I’m not sure.
ChrispenEvan said:
A keyboard
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I have three possible answers. Are they important with regard to The Rev’s pedantry? I’m not sure.
Well someone has to reveal their answer(s) today, or we won’t get anywhere :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
I have three possible answers. Are they important with regard to The Rev’s pedantry? I’m not sure.
Well someone has to reveal their answer(s) today, or we won’t get anywhere :)
OK: Typewriter, keyboard, laptop computer.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:I have three possible answers. Are they important with regard to The Rev’s pedantry? I’m not sure.
Well someone has to reveal their answer(s) today, or we won’t get anywhere :)
OK: Typewriter, keyboard, laptop computer.
I think “keyboard” really covers all 3.
But my keyboard has two locks: Num and Caps.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well someone has to reveal their answer(s) today, or we won’t get anywhere :)
OK: Typewriter, keyboard, laptop computer.
I think “keyboard” really covers all 3.
But my keyboard has two locks: Num and Caps.
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:OK: Typewriter, keyboard, laptop computer.
I think “keyboard” really covers all 3.
But my keyboard has two locks: Num and Caps.
As does mine.
So I think we need a new answer.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I think “keyboard” really covers all 3.
But my keyboard has two locks: Num and Caps.
As does mine.So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:As does mine.
So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Well someone has to reveal their answer(s) today, or we won’t get anywhere :)
OK: Typewriter, keyboard, laptop computer.
I think “keyboard” really covers all 3.
But my keyboard has two locks: Num and Caps.
I’m not sure “keyboard” ever referred to manual typewriters.
Which reminds me – I should work on repairing my typewriter’s carriage return.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:As does mine.
So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
scroll lock.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
scroll lock.
Scroll Lock is a toggled key on most keyboards (often labeled “ScrLk”) that, when activated, allows you to scroll through a document or spreadsheet using the arrow keys without moving the cursor, rather than navigating cell by cell.
ChrispenEvan said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
scroll lock.
Ta.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrillex
dv said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrillex
Pedant mode = on:
And what does that have to do with keyboards or locks good sir?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Michael V said:
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrillex
Pedant mode = on:
And what does that have to do with keyboards or locks good sir?
that’s how DV rolls.
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrillex
Pedant mode = on:
And what does that have to do with keyboards or locks good sir?
that’s how DV rolls.
so it’s a mouse
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Michael V said:
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrillex
Pedant mode = on:
And what does that have to do with keyboards or locks good sir?
I am comically suggesting that ScrLk is an abbreviation for Skrillex.
dv said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrillex
Well, what an odd thing to reply with. I see no relevance other than some similar sounds, if pronounced.
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
So I think we need a new answer.
This laptop also has a “Scr Lk”, whatever that is.
Pedant mode = on:
And what does that have to do with keyboards or locks good sir?
I am comically suggesting that ScrLk is an abbreviation for Skrillex.
Well, what an odd thing to reply with. I see no relevance other than some similar sounds, if pronounced.
What Is Word Play How Are Pun Made
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrillex
Pedant mode = on:
And what does that have to do with keyboards or locks good sir?
I am comically suggesting that ScrLk is an abbreviation for Skrillex.
Ah.
Michael V said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Pedant mode = on:
And what does that have to do with keyboards or locks good sir?
I am comically suggesting that ScrLk is an abbreviation for Skrillex.
Ah.
Glad to see you are performing pedant duties while I am busy with other stuff.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
dv said:
I am comically suggesting that ScrLk is an abbreviation for Skrillex.
Well, what an odd thing to reply with. I see no relevance other than some similar sounds, if pronounced.
What Is Word Play How Are Pun Made
OK.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:Michael V said:
Well, what an odd thing to reply with. I see no relevance other than some similar sounds, if pronounced.
What Is Word Play How Are Pun Made
OK.
??
OK doesn’t sound anything like ScrLk.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
What Is Word Play How Are Pun Made
OK.
??
OK doesn’t sound anything like ScrLk.
ah but olkoreqt is weird play though
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:What Is Word Play How Are Pun Made
OK.
??
OK doesn’t sound anything like ScrLk.
Sorry. I’m really very, very untalented with making up and interpreting puns, jokes etc.
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:OK.
??
OK doesn’t sound anything like ScrLk.
Sorry. I’m really very, very untalented with making up and interpreting puns, jokes etc.
You know I was joking, right? :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
So I think we need a new answer.
Could be..
A piece of music
A cryptographer
A dope dealer
An ash…
The Rev Dodgson said:
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:??
OK doesn’t sound anything like ScrLk.
Sorry. I’m really very, very untalented with making up and interpreting puns, jokes etc.
You know I was joking, right? :)
Yes.
;)
Ian said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So I think we need a new answer.
Could be..
A piece of music
A cryptographer
A dope dealer
An ash…
nice
ChrispenEvan said:
anyway all this talk of keys has us wondering
so we keep a spare set of house keys hanging off a high twig on a tree near the side of the house so that if we’re stuck outside sometime can climb the tree, grab the key, drop onto the balcony, and let everyone in from the door there
Do yous all do that¿ Or how many spare keysets do yous keep near your house, and where do yous leave them¿
Since it’s a Monday, have a Friday brain teaser:
Arrange the numbers:
5
17
29
47
59
71
89
101
113
into a “magic square”. That is a 3×3 square such that all rows, columns and diagonals add to the same value.
ChrispenEvan said:
wave
ChrispenEvan said:
Wave
ChrispenEvan said:
Waves to dv who I’m sure has got this one already.
I’ll think of some appropriate pedantry later.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Waves to dv who I’m sure has got this one already.
I’ll think of some appropriate pedantry later.
(and CE)
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Waves to dv who I’m sure has got this one already.
I’ll think of some appropriate pedantry later.
(and CE)
European conformity¿
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Waves to dv who I’m sure has got this one already.
I’ll think of some appropriate pedantry later.
(and CE)
2 minutes and 52 seconds. The RED part had me scratchin’.
This is at least one of the better ones.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Waves to dv who I’m sure has got this one already.
I’ll think of some appropriate pedantry later.
(and CE)
2 minutes and 52 seconds. The RED part had me scratchin’.
This is at least one of the better ones.
waveband had me scratching.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:(and CE)
2 minutes and 52 seconds. The RED part had me scratchin’.
This is at least one of the better ones.
waveband had me scratching.
Not an uncommon term in my field
dv said:
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:2 minutes and 52 seconds. The RED part had me scratchin’.
This is at least one of the better ones.
waveband had me scratching.
Not an uncommon term in my field
bloody geophysicists!!!
ChrispenEvan said:
Pedant mode: many options available here.
(But not “wave”, which would give you four existing words).
For example:
bearfront
bearred
bearform
bearband
are four new words.
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Pedant mode: many options available here.
(But not “wave”, which would give you four existing words).
For example:
bearfront
bearred
bearform
bearbandare four new words.
Great pedantry sir
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Pedant mode: many options available here.
(But not “wave”, which would give you four existing words).
For example:
bearfront
bearred
bearform
bearbandare four new words.
Good
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Pedant mode: many options available here.
(But not “wave”, which would give you four existing words).
For example:
bearfront
bearred
bearform
bearbandare four new words.
Great pedantry sir
Agreed.
I can’t match that so I’ll go off and do some work.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Pedant mode: many options available here.
(But not “wave”, which would give you four existing words).
For example:
bearfront
bearred
bearform
bearbandare four new words.
Great pedantry sir
Agreed.
I can’t match that so I’ll go off and do some work.
^
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Pedant mode: many options available here.
(But not “wave”, which would give you four existing words).
For example:
bearfront
bearred
bearform
bearbandare four new words.
Pedantry. Well done.
:)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since it’s a Monday, have a Friday brain teaser:Arrange the numbers:
5
17
29
47
59
71
89
101
113
into a “magic square”. That is a 3×3 square such that all rows, columns and diagonals add to the same value.
For all you thousands struggling to find an answer to this, here’s a hint:
.
.
.
.
.
.
The 9 numbers can be divided into 3 groups of 3 which I’ll call Low, Middle and High, and each group of three can be subdivided into L, M and H.
For every line of 3 numbers to add to the same value, either all 3 numbers must be from Group M, or 1 from each of L, M and H.
Similarly for the subgroups along a line, either all 3 numbers must be in an M subgroup, or one from each of L, M, H.
And the only way to do that is to have the MM number in the middle square, and the other two from the M group along a diagonal.
After that arranging the remaining numbers is fairly straightforward.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since it’s a Monday, have a Friday brain teaser:Arrange the numbers:
5
17
29
47
59
71
89
101
113
into a “magic square”. That is a 3×3 square such that all rows, columns and diagonals add to the same value.
For all you thousands struggling to find an answer to this, here’s a hint:
.
.
.
.
.
.
The 9 numbers can be divided into 3 groups of 3 which I’ll call Low, Middle and High, and each group of three can be subdivided into L, M and H.
For every line of 3 numbers to add to the same value, either all 3 numbers must be from Group M, or 1 from each of L, M and H.
Similarly for the subgroups along a line, either all 3 numbers must be in an M subgroup, or one from each of L, M, H.
And the only way to do that is to have the MM number in the middle square, and the other two from the M group along a diagonal.
After that arranging the remaining numbers is fairly straightforward.
Thanks. I simply transposed two lines on one of my near-solutions to get the answer. I already knew what the sums had to be.
:)
Michael V said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since it’s a Monday, have a Friday brain teaser:Arrange the numbers:
5
17
29
47
59
71
89
101
113
into a “magic square”. That is a 3×3 square such that all rows, columns and diagonals add to the same value.
For all you thousands struggling to find an answer to this, here’s a hint:
.
.
.
.
.
.
The 9 numbers can be divided into 3 groups of 3 which I’ll call Low, Middle and High, and each group of three can be subdivided into L, M and H.
For every line of 3 numbers to add to the same value, either all 3 numbers must be from Group M, or 1 from each of L, M and H.
Similarly for the subgroups along a line, either all 3 numbers must be in an M subgroup, or one from each of L, M, H.
And the only way to do that is to have the MM number in the middle square, and the other two from the M group along a diagonal.
After that arranging the remaining numbers is fairly straightforward.
Thanks. I simply transposed two lines on one of my near-solutions to get the answer. I already knew what the sums had to be.
:)
Good, we’re all set for today’s teaser when Boris gets round to it then :)
pluto is the answer. all are anagrams of celestial objects. the others are planets whilst pluto is a dwarf planet. so it is the odd one out.
JudgeMental said:
pluto is the answer. all are anagrams of celestial objects. the others are planets whilst pluto is a dwarf planet. so it is the odd one out.
Sounds logical.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
pluto is the answer. all are anagrams of celestial objects. the others are planets whilst pluto is a dwarf planet. so it is the odd one out.
Sounds logical.
See the phrazle spoilers thread for the alternative answers.
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.
A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
4
Kingy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
4
Only 9 numbers to go.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.
A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
thing is computers are fast enough these days that this stuff is only fun on a tent camp or something 246 + 789 == 1035
note that we weren’t bothered enough to dig up the combinatorics sequencing code but we probably should
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
I feel like that astronaut who is going to spend 1000 in hibernation to get to Alpha Centauri only to find that warp drive was invented the week after he departed because I am going to go through this systematically and someone else will get the answer first…
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.
A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
thing is computers are fast enough these days that this stuff is only fun on a tent camp or something 246 + 789 == 1035
var a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j;
for (a = 1; a < 10; a++) {
for (b = a + 1; b < 10; b++) {
for (c = b + 1; c < 10; c++) {
for (d = c + 1; d < 10; d++) {
for (e = d + 1; e < 10; e++) {
for (f = e + 1; f < 10; f++) {
for (g = 1; g < 10; g++) {
for (h = 0; h < 10; h++) {
for (i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
for (j = 0; j < 10; j++) {
if (a + b + c + d + e + f + g + h + i + j == 45) {
if (100 * a + 10 * b + c + 100 * d + 10 * e + f == 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j) {
document.body.insertAdjacentHTML("beforeend", `<div>${100 * a + 10 * b + c} + ${100 * d + 10 * e + f} == ${1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j}</div>`);
}
}
}}}}}}}}}}
So what is the answer?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
4
Only 9 numbers to go.
4444444444
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Since we all solved today’s so quickly, here’s one from New Scientist.
A pandigital sum is an addition that uses each of the numbers from 0 to 9 just once, and no number within the sum starts with 0.
Find the pandigital sum of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ where A < B < C < D < E < F.
thing is computers are fast enough these days that this stuff is only fun on a tent camp or something 246 + 789 == 1035
var a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j;
for (a = 1; a < 10; a++) {
for (b = a + 1; b < 10; b++) {
for (c = b + 1; c < 10; c++) {
for (d = c + 1; d < 10; d++) {
for (e = d + 1; e < 10; e++) {
for (f = e + 1; f < 10; f++) {
for (g = 1; g < 10; g++) {
for (h = 0; h < 10; h++) {
for (i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
for (j = 0; j < 10; j++) {
if (a + b + c + d + e + f + g + h + i + j == 45) {
if (100 * a + 10 * b + c + 100 * d + 10 * e + f == 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j) {
document.body.insertAdjacentHTML("beforeend", `<div>${100 * a + 10 * b + c} + ${100 * d + 10 * e + f} == ${1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j}</div>`);
}
}
}}}}}}}}}}
So what is the answer?
11110110 + 1100010101 == 10000001011 but we already posted it after something before the code
G = 1 obv
A and D must have a sum greater than 8.
D can be no greater than 7. So possibilities for A and D are 2 7, 3 7, 4 7, 3 6.
So consider those 4 cases.
(2 7)
This would mean E F are 8 9. Most permutations eliminated because the sums of the final digits are already used so I’ll just look at the other cases.
235 + 789 1024 no
236 + 789 1025 no
246 + 789 1035 yes
dv said:
G = 1 obvA and D must have a sum greater than 8.
D can be no greater than 7. So possibilities for A and D are 2 7, 3 7, 4 7, 3 6.
So consider those 4 cases.
(2 7)
This would mean E F are 8 9. Most permutations eliminated because the sums of the final digits are already used so I’ll just look at the other cases.235 + 789 1024 no
236 + 789 1025 no
246 + 789 1035 yes
Both correct and presented in a readable format, so we’ll ignore all that binary stuff.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
G = 1 obvA and D must have a sum greater than 8.
D can be no greater than 7. So possibilities for A and D are 2 7, 3 7, 4 7, 3 6.
So consider those 4 cases.
(2 7)
This would mean E F are 8 9. Most permutations eliminated because the sums of the final digits are already used so I’ll just look at the other cases.235 + 789 1024 no
236 + 789 1025 no
246 + 789 1035 yes
Both correct and presented in a readable format, so we’ll ignore all that binary stuff.
Having now converted the SCIENTIFIC code to Excel VBA, and noted that SCIENCE got the answer in about 10 minutes and did post it in decimal (but hidden) format, I think I was a bit unfair on him.
After an hour or so of effort, I came up with the code below. The extra time being required to work out why it was returning a wrong answer, with repeated numbers (I’d left out the Exit Function line, so it didn’t stop after finding the first (and correct) solution).
Here’s the code:
Function Pandigital()
Dim a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, ResA(1 To 1, 1 To 3)
For a = 1 To 9
For b = a + 1 To 9
For c = b + 1 To 9
For d = c + 1 To 9
For e = d + 1 To 9
For f = e + 1 To 9
For g = 1 To 9
For h = 0 To 9
For i = 0 To 9
For j = 0 To 9
If (a + b + c + d + e + f + g + h + i + j = 45) Then
If (100 * a + 10 * b + c + 100 * d + 10 * e + f = 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j) Then
ResA(1, 1) = 100 * a + 10 * b + c
ResA(1, 2) = 100 * d + 10 * e + f
ResA(1, 3) = 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j
Pandigital = ResA
Exit Function
End If
End If
Next j
Next i
Next h
Next g
Next f
Next e
Next d
Next c
Next b
Next a
End Function
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
G = 1 obv
A and D must have a sum greater than 8.
D can be no greater than 7. So possibilities for A and D are 2 7, 3 7, 4 7, 3 6.
So consider those 4 cases.
(2 7)
This would mean E F are 8 9. Most permutations eliminated because the sums of the final digits are already used so I’ll just look at the other cases.235 + 789 1024 no
236 + 789 1025 no
246 + 789 1035 yes
Both correct and presented in a readable format, so we’ll ignore all that binary stuff.
Having now converted the SCIENTIFIC code to Excel VBA, and noted that SCIENCE got the answer in about 10 minutes and did post it in decimal (but hidden) format, I think I was a bit unfair on him.
After an hour or so of effort, I came up with the code below. The extra time being required to work out why it was returning a wrong answer, with repeated numbers (I’d left out the Exit Function line, so it didn’t stop after finding the first (and correct) solution).
Here’s the code:
Function Pandigital()
Dim a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, ResA(1 To 1, 1 To 3)
For a = 1 To 9
For b = a + 1 To 9
For c = b + 1 To 9
For d = c + 1 To 9
For e = d + 1 To 9
For f = e + 1 To 9
For g = 1 To 9
For h = 0 To 9
For i = 0 To 9
For j = 0 To 9
If (a + b + c + d + e + f + g + h + i + j = 45) Then
If (100 * a + 10 * b + c + 100 * d + 10 * e + f = 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j) Then
ResA(1, 1) = 100 * a + 10 * b + c
ResA(1, 2) = 100 * d + 10 * e + f
ResA(1, 3) = 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j
Pandigital = ResA
Exit Function
End If
End If
Next j
Next i
Next h
Next g
Next f
Next e
Next d
Next c
Next b
Next a
End Function
thanks, apart from adding to triangular 9 we were going to sit down and think up another quick hack to probabilistically check that all digits were present but haven’t yet
we’d‘ve liked to multiply it all up to 9! but that would mean having to exclude 0 thereby costing 10 products
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Both correct and presented in a readable format, so we’ll ignore all that binary stuff.
Having now converted the SCIENTIFIC code to Excel VBA, and noted that SCIENCE got the answer in about 10 minutes and did post it in decimal (but hidden) format, I think I was a bit unfair on him.
…
thanks, apart from adding to triangular 9 we were going to sit down and think up another quick hack to probabilistically check that all digits were present but haven’t yet
we’d‘ve liked to multiply it all up to 9! but that would mean having to exclude 0 thereby costing 10 products
I was thinking about doing it in Python and setting up an array of the 4 available numbers for the sum, so I only had to loop through 18 options, rather than 9999, and that would avoid the repeated number problem, but since the existing code runs in well under 1 second, and gives the right answer, I don’t think I’ll bother.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Having now converted the SCIENTIFIC code to Excel VBA, and noted that SCIENCE got the answer in about 10 minutes and did post it in decimal (but hidden) format, I think I was a bit unfair on him.
…
thanks, apart from adding to triangular 9 we were going to sit down and think up another quick hack to probabilistically check that all digits were present but haven’t yet
we’d‘ve liked to multiply it all up to 9! but that would mean having to exclude 0 thereby costing 10 products
I was thinking about doing it in Python and setting up an array of the 4 available numbers for the sum, so I only had to loop through 18 options, rather than 9999, and that would avoid the repeated number problem, but since the existing code runs in well under 1 second, and gives the right answer, I don’t think I’ll bother.
yeah we were quite impressed that some brute force thing that would have taken a week back when we got into the coding now finished up practically instantly, which interestingly is what our 爱 neural network mentor said about the back propagation training we ran back in those times as well
anyway when we get back on the main platform we’re going to dig out the combinatorics code
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Having now converted the SCIENTIFIC code to Excel VBA, and noted that SCIENCE got the answer in about 10 minutes and did post it in decimal (but hidden) format, I think I was a bit unfair on him.
…
thanks, apart from adding to triangular 9 we were going to sit down and think up another quick hack to probabilistically check that all digits were present but haven’t yet
we’d‘ve liked to multiply it all up to 9! but that would mean having to exclude 0 thereby costing 10 products
I was thinking about doing it in Python and setting up an array of the 4 available numbers for the sum, so I only had to loop through 18 options, rather than 9999, and that would avoid the repeated number problem, but since the existing code runs in well under 1 second, and gives the right answer, I don’t think I’ll bother.
Just discovered that Python has a remove method that lets you remove a specified value from a list, so I might have a go with that.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
thanks, apart from adding to triangular 9 we were going to sit down and think up another quick hack to probabilistically check that all digits were present but haven’t yet
we’d‘ve liked to multiply it all up to 9! but that would mean having to exclude 0 thereby costing 10 products
I was thinking about doing it in Python and setting up an array of the 4 available numbers for the sum, so I only had to loop through 18 options, rather than 9999, and that would avoid the repeated number problem, but since the existing code runs in well under 1 second, and gives the right answer, I don’t think I’ll bother.
yeah we were quite impressed that some brute force thing that would have taken a week back when we got into the coding now finished up practically instantly, which interestingly is what our 爱 neural network mentor said about the back propagation training we ran back in those times as well
anyway when we get back on the main platform we’re going to dig out the combinatorics code
Looks up combinatorics.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I was thinking about doing it in Python and setting up an array of the 4 available numbers for the sum, so I only had to loop through 18 options, rather than 9999, and that would avoid the repeated number problem, but since the existing code runs in well under 1 second, and gives the right answer, I don’t think I’ll bother.
yeah we were quite impressed that some brute force thing that would have taken a week back when we got into the coding now finished up practically instantly, which interestingly is what our 爱 neural network mentor said about the back propagation training we ran back in those times as well
anyway when we get back on the main platform we’re going to dig out the combinatorics code
Looks up combinatorics.
yes so the algorithm represents N choose R as a binary sequence of length N with exactly R 1s, and then shifts the 1s according to a defined pattern to generate them all
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
yeah we were quite impressed that some brute force thing that would have taken a week back when we got into the coding now finished up practically instantly, which interestingly is what our 爱 neural network mentor said about the back propagation training we ran back in those times as well
anyway when we get back on the main platform we’re going to dig out the combinatorics code
Looks up combinatorics.
yes so the algorithm represents N choose R as a binary sequence of length N with exactly R 1s, and then shifts the 1s according to a defined pattern to generate them all
I finally got the Python version to work.
Not sure if it was worth the time, but it was quite educational.
I don’t know how to get the indents to display here, so I won’t post it, but I’ll post a link, if anyone interested.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Looks up combinatorics.
yes so the algorithm represents N choose R as a binary sequence of length N with exactly R 1s, and then shifts the 1s according to a defined pattern to generate them all
I finally got the Python version to work.
Not sure if it was worth the time, but it was quite educational.
I don’t know how to get the indents to display here, so I won’t post it, but I’ll post a link, if anyone interested.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Looks up combinatorics.
yes so the algorithm represents N choose R as a binary sequence of length N with exactly R 1s, and then shifts the 1s according to a defined pattern to generate them all
I finally got the Python version to work.
Not sure if it was worth the time, but it was quite educational.
I don’t know how to get the indents to display here, so I won’t post it, but I’ll post a link, if anyone interested.
With a bit more work on the Python version I got the execution time down from a rather tedious 4 milliseconds to a not-too-bad 0.6 milliseconds.
Now I just have to use it about 2 million times, and I’ll get back the coding time.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
yes so the algorithm represents N choose R as a binary sequence of length N with exactly R 1s, and then shifts the 1s according to a defined pattern to generate them all
I finally got the Python version to work.
Not sure if it was worth the time, but it was quite educational.
I don’t know how to get the indents to display here, so I won’t post it, but I’ll post a link, if anyone interested.
With a bit more work on the Python version I got the execution time down from a rather tedious 4 milliseconds to a not-too-bad 0.6 milliseconds.
Now I just have to use it about 2 million times, and I’ll get back the coding time.
LOL but what optimisations did you use¿
also for code we recall this
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16792/
“Discrete Mathematics”
(which is what this is after all)
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I finally got the Python version to work.
Not sure if it was worth the time, but it was quite educational.
I don’t know how to get the indents to display here, so I won’t post it, but I’ll post a link, if anyone interested.
With a bit more work on the Python version I got the execution time down from a rather tedious 4 milliseconds to a not-too-bad 0.6 milliseconds.
Now I just have to use it about 2 million times, and I’ll get back the coding time.LOL but what optimisations did you use¿
also for code we recall this
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16792/
“Discrete Mathematics”
(which is what this is after all)
The main things were:
Using the Itertools “combinations” and “permutations” methods to make combinations and permutations.
Creating Numpy arrays and using np.dot to create numbers from lists of their digits.
My main learning was the difference between permutations and combinations, and how to create them in Python.
I’ll probably do a blog post on it.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I finally got the Python version to work.
Not sure if it was worth the time, but it was quite educational.
I don’t know how to get the indents to display here, so I won’t post it, but I’ll post a link, if anyone interested.
With a bit more work on the Python version I got the execution time down from a rather tedious 4 milliseconds to a not-too-bad 0.6 milliseconds.
Now I just have to use it about 2 million times, and I’ll get back the coding time.LOL but what optimisations did you use¿
also for code we recall this
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16792/
“Discrete Mathematics”
(which is what this is after all)
SCIENCE, in the Discrete Mathematics thread, the links you posted at:
“For the convenience of everyone here, we have uploaded the pages that help to post code in a readable format.
http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeEnt.html
http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeB64.html
In future revisions and at request we may have it wrap base64 lines to 80 (or a user-defined number of) characters.”
don’t seem to work any more.
Are they still available?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
With a bit more work on the Python version I got the execution time down from a rather tedious 4 milliseconds to a not-too-bad 0.6 milliseconds.
Now I just have to use it about 2 million times, and I’ll get back the coding time.LOL but what optimisations did you use¿
also for code we recall this
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16792/
“Discrete Mathematics”
(which is what this is after all)
SCIENCE, in the Discrete Mathematics thread, the links you posted at:
“For the convenience of everyone here, we have uploaded the pages that help to post code in a readable format.http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeEnt.html
http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeB64.htmlIn future revisions and at request we may have it wrap base64 lines to 80 (or a user-defined number of) characters.”
don’t seem to work any more.
Are they still available?
Thanks, will look into it tonight and update, obviously we still have the originals offline so this should be simple enough to fix.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL but what optimisations did you use¿
also for code we recall this
https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/?main=https%3A//tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/16792/
“Discrete Mathematics”
(which is what this is after all)
SCIENCE, in the Discrete Mathematics thread, the links you posted at:
“For the convenience of everyone here, we have uploaded the pages that help to post code in a readable format.http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeEnt.html
http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeB64.htmlIn future revisions and at request we may have it wrap base64 lines to 80 (or a user-defined number of) characters.”
don’t seem to work any more.
Are they still available?
Thanks, will look into it tonight and update, obviously we still have the originals offline so this should be simple enough to fix.
Thanks :)
A useful and easy to follow piece on permutations and combinations:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations.html
The Rev Dodgson said:
A useful and easy to follow piece on permutations and combinations:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations.html
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
A useful and easy to follow piece on permutations and combinations:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations.html
I studied perms & combs at school but that was a very long time ago & I don’t rememberanythingabout them now.
It gets like that after a long time.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
A useful and easy to follow piece on permutations and combinations:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations.html
I studied perms & combs at school but that was a very long time ago & I don’t rememberanythingabout them now.It gets like that after a long time.
Oops the anything should have been a anything
I’m a little bit pleased with myself that I am the only one who didn’t use electronic violence to solve it.
dv said:
I’m a little bit pleased with myself that I am the only one who didn’t use electronic violence to solve it.
I did do it the old fashioned way before posting.
but it did take me near infinitely longer than you to do it.
And to keep dv busy, two more from the same NS issue:
Find pandigital sums of the form:
ABC + DEF = 1089.
For the second one, how many alternative solutions are there?
(there are 96 of the form
And to keep dv busy, two more from the same NS issue:
Find pandigital sums of the form:
ABC + DEF = 1089.
For the second one, how many alternative solutions are there?
(there are 96 of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ)
The Rev Dodgson said:
And to keep dv busy, two more from the same NS issue:
ABCD + EF = 2034
Find pandigital sums of the form:ABC + DEF = 1089.
For the second one, how many alternative solutions are there?
(there are 96 of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ)
Can I assume that the previous less-than chain doesn’t apply then?
ABCD + EF = 2034
A=1, B=9, obv
So D F has to be 6 8 or 8 6 to add to *4
1958 + 76
1978 + 56
Both work
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I’m a little bit pleased with myself that I am the only one who didn’t use electronic violence to solve it.
I did do it the old fashioned way before posting.
but it did take me near infinitely longer than you to do it.
yeah we very respect that and admit we were just lazy and wanted to see how quickly the browser could play it
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:And to keep dv busy, two more from the same NS issue:
ABCD + EF = 2034
Find pandigital sums of the form:ABC + DEF = 1089.
For the second one, how many alternative solutions are there?
(there are 96 of the form ABC + DEF = GHIJ)Can I assume that the previous less-than chain doesn’t apply then?
Yes, the only requirement is to use all of the numbers 0 to 9, and don’t start with a 0.
dv said:
ABCD + EF = 2034A=1, B=9, obv
So D F has to be 6 8 or 8 6 to add to *4
1958 + 76
1978 + 56Both work
Computer came up with 1956 and 78 :)
For the other one ABC + DEF = 1089, may take longer
combinations for AD are 3 7 and 4 6
Combinations for CF are 2 7, 7 2, 4 5, 5 4.
364 725
324 765
365 724
325 764
457 632
437 652
452 637
432 657
Something tells me I’ve overlooked something but there it is
So the answer is 8
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
ABCD + EF = 2034A=1, B=9, obv
So D F has to be 6 8 or 8 6 to add to *4
1958 + 76
1978 + 56Both work
Computer came up with 1956 and 78 :)
Doh
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE, in the Discrete Mathematics thread, the links you posted at:
“For the convenience of everyone here, we have uploaded the pages that help to post code in a readable format.http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeEnt.html
http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeB64.htmlIn future revisions and at request we may have it wrap base64 lines to 80 (or a user-defined number of) characters.”
don’t seem to work any more.
Are they still available?
Thanks, will look into it tonight and update, obviously we still have the originals offline so this should be simple enough to fix.
Thanks :)
all right they’re back online
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Having now converted the SCIENTIFIC code to Excel VBA, and noted that SCIENCE got the answer in about 10 minutes and did post it in decimal (but hidden) format, I think I was a bit unfair on him.
After an hour or so of effort, I came up with the code below. The extra time being required to work out why it was returning a wrong answer, with repeated numbers (I’d left out the Exit Function line, so it didn’t stop after finding the first (and correct) solution).
Here’s the code:
Function Pandigital()
Dim a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, ResA(1 To 1, 1 To 3)
For a = 1 To 9
For b = a + 1 To 9
For c = b + 1 To 9
For d = c + 1 To 9
For e = d + 1 To 9
For f = e + 1 To 9
For g = 1 To 9
For h = 0 To 9
For i = 0 To 9
For j = 0 To 9
If (a + b + c + d + e + f + g + h + i + j = 45) Then
If (100 * a + 10 * b + c + 100 * d + 10 * e + f = 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j) Then
ResA(1, 1) = 100 * a + 10 * b + c
ResA(1, 2) = 100 * d + 10 * e + f
ResA(1, 3) = 1000 * g + 100 * h + 10 * i + j
Pandigital = ResA
Exit Function
End If
End If
Next j
Next i
Next h
Next g
Next f
Next e
Next d
Next c
Next b
Next a
End Functionall right they’re back online
and working
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
Thanks, will look into it tonight and update, obviously we still have the originals offline so this should be simple enough to fix.
Thanks :)
all right they’re back online
Thanks again:
Had a go and it generated the code no problem, but when I pasted it here and previewed it didn’t display as text.
Getting late, so I’ll have another go tomorrow, but all code and an Excel worksheet are available at:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Had a go and it generated the code no problem, but when I pasted it here and previewed it didn’t display as text.
oh the Ent[ity] encoding should make it human readable, the B[ase]64 encoding should make a data scheme URI that people can paste into the address bar
http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeEnt.html
http://void.byethost10.com/sssf/ForUmCodeB64.html
dv said:
For the other one ABC + DEF = 1089, may take longercombinations for AD are 3 7 and 4 6
Combinations for CF are 2 7, 7 2, 4 5, 5 4.
364 725
324 765
365 724
325 764
457 632
437 652
452 637
432 657Something tells me I’ve overlooked something but there it is
So the answer is 8
Received the official answer today.
They say 16 for this one.
Presumably they are treating it as a different result when the two numbers are swapped.
JudgeMental said:
Six.
Over.
JudgeMental said:
The number named “octuplelettercountvalue”.
JudgeMental said:
Give me forty secs and I’ll find the answer to that.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Six.
Over.
Six over what?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Six.
Over.
Six over what?
Forty
Can’t think of any funny pedantry
dv said:
FortyCan’t think of any funny pedantry
For the language pedant, that is the correct answer, but for the true mathematical pedant, who recognises that four times ten must be written as fourty, it doesn’t work, and the answer is eighty eight.
Assuming we don’t count the space.
But then the language pedant will come along and say that it should be eighty-eight, so that doesn’t work either.
So I just don’t know.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
FortyCan’t think of any funny pedantry
For the language pedant, that is the correct answer, but for the true mathematical pedant, who recognises that four times ten must be written as fourty, it doesn’t work, and the answer is eighty eight.
Assuming we don’t count the space.
But then the language pedant will come along and say that it should be eighty-eight, so that doesn’t work either.
So I just don’t know.
But wait, we have to count the number of letters, and a hyphen is a punctuation mark, not a letter, so eighty-eight works just fine.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
FortyCan’t think of any funny pedantry
For the language pedant, that is the correct answer, but for the true mathematical pedant, who recognises that four times ten must be written as fourty, it doesn’t work, and the answer is eighty eight.
Assuming we don’t count the space.
But then the language pedant will come along and say that it should be eighty-eight, so that doesn’t work either.
So I just don’t know.
But wait, we have to count the number of letters, and a hyphen is a punctuation mark, not a letter, so eighty-eight works just fine.
anyway as we indicated before we disagree with all that, the spellled representation of a number is not the same as the name of the number but we’re open to review
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:For the language pedant, that is the correct answer, but for the true mathematical pedant, who recognises that four times ten must be written as fourty, it doesn’t work, and the answer is eighty eight.
Assuming we don’t count the space.
But then the language pedant will come along and say that it should be eighty-eight, so that doesn’t work either.
So I just don’t know.
But wait, we have to count the number of letters, and a hyphen is a punctuation mark, not a letter, so eighty-eight works just fine.
anyway as we indicated before we disagree with all that, the spellled representation of a number is not the same as the name of the number but we’re open to review
So what is the spelled representation of 40, 88, or any other number that answers the question in your interpretation?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But wait, we have to count the number of letters, and a hyphen is a punctuation mark, not a letter, so eighty-eight works just fine.
anyway as we indicated before we disagree with all that, the spellled representation of a number is not the same as the name of the number but we’re open to review
So what is the spelled representation of 40, 88, or any other number that answers the question in your interpretation?
they asked for the name we didn’t analyse by spelreps
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:anyway as we indicated before we disagree with all that, the spellled representation of a number is not the same as the name of the number but we’re open to review
So what is the spelled representation of 40, 88, or any other number that answers the question in your interpretation?
they asked for the name we didn’t analyse by spelreps
So you are saying that “octuplelettercountvalue” is the name of some number, but “forty” is not the name of a number?
I’d need some more detailed discussion of the reasoning to be convinced, but if we accept that for now, what about:
“octnumletterval”
or something even shorter?
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So what is the spelled representation of 40, 88, or any other number that answers the question in your interpretation?
they asked for the name we didn’t analyse by spelreps
So you are saying that “octuplelettercountvalue” is the name of some number, but “forty” is not the name of a number?
I’d need some more detailed discussion of the reasoning to be convinced, but if we accept that for now, what about:
“octnumletterval”
or something even shorter?
As we said we’re open to review, we mean is for example “1” the name of a number, we suppose one might argue that any representation is a name¿
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:they asked for the name we didn’t analyse by spelreps
So you are saying that “octuplelettercountvalue” is the name of some number, but “forty” is not the name of a number?
I’d need some more detailed discussion of the reasoning to be convinced, but if we accept that for now, what about:
“octnumletterval”
or something even shorter?
As we said we’re open to review, we mean is for example “1” the name of a number, we suppose one might argue that any representation is a name¿
Really outside my area of expertise, but if I were to ask Elon I’m sure he’d say that to be a “name” it must have at least one x.
So we could go for “x6” as the name of the number with the value 16.
The censored equation below represents a three digit number and a two digit number being added to make another three digit number.
The numbers are in hexadecimal, none of them contain digits other than a b c d e and f, and all three of them are ordinary English words. What are they?
_ _ _ + _ _ = _ _ _
dv said:
The censored equation below represents a three digit number and a two digit number being added to make another three digit number.The numbers are in hexadecimal, none of them contain digits other than a b c d e and f, and all three of them are ordinary English words. What are they?
_ _ _ + _ _ = _ _ _
BED + BE = CAB ?
party_pants said:
dv said:
The censored equation below represents a three digit number and a two digit number being added to make another three digit number.The numbers are in hexadecimal, none of them contain digits other than a b c d e and f, and all three of them are ordinary English words. What are they?
_ _ _ + _ _ = _ _ _
BED + BE = CAB ?
Thought it would take longer
But well done
dv said:
But well done
Sorry, I should have added some spoiler saver.
I wrote out every word I could make from those letters, and then found a Hexadecimal to decimal converter, and wrote the decimal number alongside. I could only get one valid two letter word from those letters.
party_pants said:
dv said:
The censored equation below represents a three digit number and a two digit number being added to make another three digit number.The numbers are in hexadecimal, none of them contain digits other than a b c d e and f, and all three of them are ordinary English words. What are they?
_ _ _ + _ _ = _ _ _
BED + BE = CAB ?
damn
why didn’t I get that?
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
The censored equation below represents a three digit number and a two digit number being added to make another three digit number.The numbers are in hexadecimal, none of them contain digits other than a b c d e and f, and all three of them are ordinary English words. What are they?
_ _ _ + _ _ = _ _ _
BED + BE = CAB ?
damn
why didn’t I get that?
But the Internet tells me that fe is a proper English word, so I offer:
bad + fe = cab
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:BED + BE = CAB ?
damn
why didn’t I get that?
But the Internet tells me that fe is a proper English word, so I offer:
bad + fe = cab
fairy nuff :)
JudgeMental said:
Play
ruby said:
JudgeMental said:
Play
Very good.
Peak Warming Man said:
ruby said:
JudgeMental said:
Play
Very good.
My immediate guess was a different 4 letter word that went with horse, but that may be from looking at too much political shenanigans lately
JudgeMental said:
Play
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Play
I’ll pay play.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Play
they’re generic enough that many can, draft, time, head, stream, gate
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Play
they’re generic enough that many can, draft, time, head, stream, gate
But just the four lettered ones I guess…
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:dv said:
Play
they’re generic enough that many can, draft, time, head, stream, gate
But just the four lettered ones I guess…
what did we say about prescriptivists again, make it for phoneme then whatev
JudgeMental said:
I’m a bit late to the game, but I will play anyway.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I’m a bit late to the game, but I will play anyway.
late
game
will
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
I’m a bit late to the game, but I will play anyway.
late
game
will
less
Not an ABC one.
Divine Angel said:
Not an ABC one.
When I grow up I want to be a …..
Divine Angel said:
Not an ABC one.
Florist.
Kingy said:
Divine Angel said:
Not an ABC one.
Florist.
That’s what I got.
But what sort of teenage guy wants to be a florist?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Kingy said:
Divine Angel said:
Not an ABC one.
Florist.
That’s what I got.
But what sort of teenage guy wants to be a florist?
oh c’m‘on what part of an organism is a flower sheesh
3
dv said:
3
I suppose you could go for a lowly 3, but why not go for the biggest one, which is 9?
Or -9 if you are of negative inclinations.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
3
I suppose you could go for a lowly 3, but why not go for the biggest one, which is 9?
Or -9 if you are of negative inclinations.
Could also be something like 4.5, if they are strongly implying plural digits.
dv said:
3
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
3
I suppose you could go for a lowly 3, but why not go for the biggest one, which is 9?
Or -9 if you are of negative inclinations.
Could also be something like 4.5, if they are strongly implying plural digits.
Good point. Have to admit to missing that one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I suppose you could go for a lowly 3, but why not go for the biggest one, which is 9?
Or -9 if you are of negative inclinations.
Could also be something like 4.5, if they are strongly implying plural digits.
Good point. Have to admit to missing that one.
Ditto. I assumed natural numbers.
Bogsnorkler said:
BC because it’s not a Latin abbreviation?
Divine Angel said:
Bogsnorkler said:
BC because it’s not a Latin abbreviation?
Beat me by >< that much
ruby said:
Divine Angel said:
Bogsnorkler said:
BC because it’s not a Latin abbreviation?
Beat me by >< that much
If that’s the correct answer, it’s the first time I’ve ever gotten it right LOL. I suck at these things.
Divine Angel said:
ruby said:
Divine Angel said:BC because it’s not a Latin abbreviation?
Beat me by >< that much
If that’s the correct answer, it’s the first time I’ve ever gotten it right LOL. I suck at these things.
I rather like there being more than one correct answer to these.
I await the Forum brains trust for alternative answers!
Bogsnorkler said:
Unfortunately I’m in a meeting so I can’t give this proper attention, but if I could I would be looking for the only one that didn’t have anything odd about it, and that would be the odd one.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Unfortunately I’m in a meeting so I can’t give this proper attention, but if I could I would be looking for the only one that didn’t have anything odd about it, and that would be the odd one.
BC is my guess…
Divine Angel said:
ruby said:
Divine Angel said:BC because it’s not a Latin abbreviation?
Beat me by >< that much
If that’s the correct answer, it’s the first time I’ve ever gotten it right LOL. I suck at these things.
I suspect that is the answer they are looking for.
Since RevD isn’t available, I’ll pedantically say et al. for being the only one that does not have four characters (letters + punctuation)
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Unfortunately I’m in a meeting so I can’t give this proper attention, but if I could I would be looking for the only one that didn’t have anything odd about it, and that would be the odd one.
BC is my guess…
pretty sure that has a space in it as well
esselte said:
Divine Angel said:
ruby said:Beat me by >< that much
If that’s the correct answer, it’s the first time I’ve ever gotten it right LOL. I suck at these things.
I suspect that is the answer they are looking for.
Since RevD isn’t available, I’ll pedantically say et al. for being the only one that does not have four characters (letters + punctuation)
OK, here’s my effort:
A.D. – only one with an upper-case vowel.
e.g. – nothing special
etc. – only one with three letters
B.C. – only one without any vowels
i.e. – only one with all vowels
et al. – only one with two words
So the odd one out is undoubtedly e.g. because it is the only one with nothing odd about it.
