Date: 19/03/2024 22:48:56
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2137016
Subject: China and democracy

Critics worry the new law will further erode civil liberties that Beijing promised to preserve for 50 years when the former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/hong-kong-passes-new-national-security-law-to-quash-dissent/103607638

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Date: 19/03/2024 23:05:21
From: party_pants
ID: 2137019
Subject: re: China and democracy

19 shillings said:

Critics worry the new law will further erode civil liberties that Beijing promised to preserve for 50 years when the former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/hong-kong-passes-new-national-security-law-to-quash-dissent/103607638

Well of course it will, that’s the whole point of the law. Beijing want to assimilate Honk Kong into the mainland as soon as possible, they have no intention of waiting till the 50 years is up.

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Date: 20/03/2024 21:14:04
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2137258
Subject: re: China and democracy

They should never have handed back honk honk, it was leased to imperial China which ceased to exist – hence no one to hand it over to.

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Date: 20/03/2024 21:17:07
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2137259
Subject: re: China and democracy

wookiemeister said:


They should never have handed back honk honk, it was leased to imperial China which ceased to exist – hence no one to hand it over to.

Is that like how Ukraine was a part of the USSR so the Russian Federation has no claim to it?

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Date: 20/03/2024 21:34:21
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2137265
Subject: re: China and democracy

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

They should never have handed back honk honk, it was leased to imperial China which ceased to exist – hence no one to hand it over to.

Is that like how Ukraine was a part of the USSR so the Russian Federation has no claim to it?


The soviet union over imperial Russia by force . In the 50s they “transferred” ukraine out of the soviet union. The british were fighting the russians in Crimea- weird right? Why were the russians in Crimea , on holiday?

If NATO and Australia feel so inclined , why not just commit ground troops to ukraine? Write to albo and demand we do this NOW

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Date: 20/03/2024 21:36:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2137266
Subject: re: China and democracy

wookiemeister said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

They should never have handed back honk honk, it was leased to imperial China which ceased to exist – hence no one to hand it over to.

Is that like how Ukraine was a part of the USSR so the Russian Federation has no claim to it?


The soviet union over imperial Russia by force . In the 50s they “transferred” ukraine out of the soviet union. The british were fighting the russians in Crimea- weird right? Why were the russians in Crimea , on holiday?

If NATO and Australia feel so inclined , why not just commit ground troops to ukraine? Write to albo and demand we do this NOW

You didn’t answer my question.

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Date: 20/03/2024 21:38:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2137267
Subject: re: China and democracy

Remember when Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed Armenians out of their homes a few months ago ?

How come NATO didn’t defend their honour ?

How many divisions does albanese have ?

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Date: 20/03/2024 21:39:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 2137268
Subject: re: China and democracy

wookiemeister said:


Remember when Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed Armenians out of their homes a few months ago ?

How come NATO didn’t defend their honour ?

How many divisions does albanese have ?

You keep changing the subject.

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Date: 20/03/2024 21:46:24
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 2137270
Subject: re: China and democracy

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

Remember when Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed Armenians out of their homes a few months ago ?

How come NATO didn’t defend their honour ?

How many divisions does albanese have ?

You keep changing the subject.

snafu mate, snafu.

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Date: 20/03/2024 22:01:37
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2137273
Subject: re: China and democracy

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Is that like how Ukraine was a part of the USSR so the Russian Federation has no claim to it?


The soviet union over imperial Russia by force . In the 50s they “transferred” ukraine out of the soviet union. The british were fighting the russians in Crimea- weird right? Why were the russians in Crimea , on holiday?

If NATO and Australia feel so inclined , why not just commit ground troops to ukraine? Write to albo and demand we do this NOW

You didn’t answer my question.


The first emperor of China consolidated China in 221 bc I think. By force. For a few.thousand years the imperial court held honk honk until the west turned up and had a go taking bits of China – british corporations got pissed off because China didn’t want anymore opium being brought into China. China lost and the imperial court of a few thousand years handed over honk honk on a 99 year lease. Imperial China was overthrown by communist forces and ceased to exist. By rights the british could have argued they would be happy to hand over honk honk to what was left of imperial China in Taiwan.

Imperial Russia of day 1000 years was over thrown by the communists which became the soviet union. The soviet union of 30 bit years decided it would be cool to break up the russian empire and “transferred “ ukraine ( border region/ end region out of the borders of imperial Russia. The soviet union barely lived for the life cycle of one of the first generations of soviets 70 – 80 years.

With the fall of the soviet union ukraine threw its lot in with the west and quickly picked up the tag of the most corrupt countries in the world. Many RUSSIANS found themselves outside of their own country after 1991. After being targeted by citizens of the newly.minted state of ukraine for decades – remember the civil war of 2014 – 2022 ? Putin decided to act. By rights ukraine couldn’t be handed back to the new “russian Federation “ – imperial Russia didn’t exist any more but there were an awful lot of russians living in their homes and on their own land.

Contact albo and tell him we need to get involved in this CIVIL war, he’ll appreciate it.

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Date: 20/03/2024 22:02:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 2137274
Subject: re: China and democracy

Witty Rejoinder said:


wookiemeister said:

Remember when Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed Armenians out of their homes a few months ago ?

How come NATO didn’t defend their honour ?

How many divisions does albanese have ?

You keep changing the subject.


Just replied

Its a civil war between native speakers of the russian language /.ethnics

The uko general only speaks russian I believe.

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Date: 21/03/2024 22:13:43
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2137496
Subject: re: China and democracy

China is not a liberal or representative democracy. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Chinese government state that China is a socialist democracy and a people’s democratic dictatorship. Under Xi Jinping, China

Cut and paste from wikipedia

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Date: 21/03/2024 22:15:02
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2137497
Subject: re: China and democracy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_China

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Date: 21/03/2024 22:25:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2137498
Subject: re: China and democracy

Democracy Good Communism Bad

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Date: 21/03/2024 22:30:23
From: 19 shillings
ID: 2137499
Subject: re: China and democracy

SCIENCE said:

Democracy Good Communism Bad


Wont be long before their ai corrects

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Date: 21/03/2024 22:55:19
From: party_pants
ID: 2137502
Subject: re: China and democracy

SCIENCE said:

Democracy Good Communism Bad

Democracy and Communism are not on the same scale.

It would be better to look at it as:

Democracy <—> Authoritarianism
Capitalism <—> Communism

The two on the left often go otgether, as do the two on the right. But they are still two separate thingd.

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Date: 21/03/2024 23:08:33
From: dv
ID: 2137507
Subject: re: China and democracy

19 shillings said:


SCIENCE said:

Democracy Good Communism Bad


Wont be long before their ai corrects

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Date: 24/03/2024 03:52:46
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 2138221
Subject: re: China and democracy

19 shillings said:

Critics worry the new law will further erode civil liberties that Beijing promised to preserve for 50 years when the former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/hong-kong-passes-new-national-security-law-to-quash-dissent/103607638

I have been reading a superb true crime book autobiography called “Mr Clean” by Bruce Aitken which goes into great detail about a money laundering business of global scope that was run out of Hong Kong. Not all was drug money but most of it was.

On each visit to Hong Kong I had wondered how such a high population density could possibly survive. And the book gives me some idea how that was and still is possible. During British Rule, there was no law in Hong Kong against money laundering. There is a law there against the direct handling of drugs, but not about laundering the cash.

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