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More political gossip is grist to our mill.

Newspoll aggregate: ALP 52 Coalition 48

dv said:

Newspoll aggregate: ALP 52 Coalition 48

Yeah ok but,

I would like to see the Coal-ition on 20 or less even.

5 maybe.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Newspoll aggregate: ALP 52 Coalition 48

Yeah ok but,

I would like to see the Coal-ition on 20 or less even.

5 maybe.

Love it… Coalition.. has the word… coal in it.

One of them even showed us a lump of coal.

Remember.

:)

The Believer… I think

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

Newspoll aggregate: ALP 52 Coalition 48

Yeah ok but,

I would like to see the Coal-ition on 20 or less even.

5 maybe.

Love it… Coalition.. has the word… coal in it.

One of them even showed us a lump of coal.

Remember.

:)

The Believer… I think

It was a very nicely washed and lacquered piece of coal.

Didn’t want any embarrassing dirtines from the ‘clean coal’.

The disclosure differences in donations around the referendum are interesting.

Link to ABC article

buffy said:

The disclosure differences in donations around the referendum are interesting.

Link to ABC article

Apparently, something money can’t buy.

Is our Opposition going to find itself on the wrong side with this one?

ABC story about the aid workers killed

buffy said:

Is our Opposition going to find itself on the wrong side with this one?

ABC story about the aid workers killed

Coalition maintains accident a ‘tragic reality’ of war

This is in line with what Netenyahu said. Sorry but…

However there is clear evidence that each car was watched and targeted, in turn.

It wasn’t collateral damage. It was clearly .. “don’t feed the Palestinians. We want them all dead”.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Is our Opposition going to find itself on the wrong side with this one?

ABC story about the aid workers killed

Coalition maintains accident a ‘tragic reality’ of war

This is in line with what Netenyahu said. Sorry but…

However there is clear evidence that each car was watched and targeted, in turn.

It wasn’t collateral damage. It was clearly .. “don’t feed the Palestinians. We want them all dead”.

that’s a very big claim… if there is a transparent investigation there is every chance that someone will be found accountable.

Don’t expect Tas results to be finalised by Saturday

Sam Mostyn will be Australia’s next Governor General.

dv said:

Sam Mostyn will be Australia’s next Governor General.

Hmmm

A backlash has erupted I see.

Or so says the Daily Mail.

So it must be true.

dv said:

Sam Mostyn will be Australia’s next Governor General.

Hmmm

A backlash has erupted I see.

Or so says the Daily Mail.

So it must be true.

It was announced yesterday. I heard it on the radio when I was coming home from shopping mid morning.

dv said:

Don’t expect Tas results to be finalised by Saturday

They have only just finalised the Brisbane City Council election.
Greens 2, ALP 5, LNP 18.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Sam Mostyn will be Australia’s next Governor General.

Hmmm

A backlash has erupted I see.

Or so says the Daily Mail.

So it must be true.

Never heard of her, so i can’t participatre in any backlashes.

Australia’s AUKUS submarines could be used to fight China in war over Taiwan, US official says

America’s second most-powerful diplomat has suggested Australian nuclear-powered submarines acquired under AUKUS could eventually be deployed against China in any military conflict over Taiwan.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-04/us-official-suggests-a-taiwan-war-could-see-aukus-subs-deployed/103669794

America has thrown just about everyone else under a bus, so probably our turn now. America’s promises are worth nothing as many have discovered.

Lehrmann has triggered a lot of expenditure – here’s another:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-05/act-walter-sofronoff-refer-integrity-commission-lehrmann-inquiry/103674564

Per PollBludger

The Tasmanian Electoral Commission is now at a fairly advanced stage of conducting its preference distributions, results for which it unusually reports progressively rather than having a computerised system that calculates it all in one hit. These can be found only on the TEC’s site – the numbers shown on my own results facility, linked to above, are finalised first preferences.

This process has made the result look still more interesting, shortening the odds on the Liberals finishing with 14 seats rather than the generally anticipated 15, with Labor on ten, the Greens on five, the Jacqui Lambie Network on three and two independents. In doubt is one seat in Braddon that could either go to a fourth Liberal, which would get them to 15, or Craig Garland, putting independents at three. What follows is my summary of the situation in each of the five divisions, listed this time in order of interest rather than alphabetically.

——

I know a bit about the two other independents but I don’t know anything about Craig Garland. Seems to be about fishing rights and against fisheries and also against the major parties.

dv said:

Per PollBludger

The Tasmanian Electoral Commission is now at a fairly advanced stage of conducting its preference distributions, results for which it unusually reports progressively rather than having a computerised system that calculates it all in one hit. These can be found only on the TEC’s site – the numbers shown on my own results facility, linked to above, are finalised first preferences.

This process has made the result look still more interesting, shortening the odds on the Liberals finishing with 14 seats rather than the generally anticipated 15, with Labor on ten, the Greens on five, the Jacqui Lambie Network on three and two independents. In doubt is one seat in Braddon that could either go to a fourth Liberal, which would get them to 15, or Craig Garland, putting independents at three. What follows is my summary of the situation in each of the five divisions, listed this time in order of interest rather than alphabetically.

——

I know a bit about the two other independents but I don’t know anything about Craig Garland. Seems to be about fishing rights and against fisheries and also against the major parties.

https://youtu.be/fbh1qgSkzng?si=o5tBjIFbF0IMWaQi

Certainly hates Rockliff though.

Rockliff declared victory on election night but it is going to be a torrid old time for him if he is relying on JLN who hate his guts and alsod needs at least one of three independents, one of whom hates his guts and the other two are lefties.

dv said:

It’s no good asking Barnaby about things he’s responsible for.

AFAIK, he has yet to deliver the report due from him for his role a ‘the special envoy for drought assistance and recovery’, to which he was appointed in 2018, and which position he occupied for nine months (racking up $675,000 in expenses, plus the $200,000 cost of two staff members).

dv said:

dv said:

Per PollBludger

The Tasmanian Electoral Commission is now at a fairly advanced stage of conducting its preference distributions, results for which it unusually reports progressively rather than having a computerised system that calculates it all in one hit. These can be found only on the TEC’s site – the numbers shown on my own results facility, linked to above, are finalised first preferences.

This process has made the result look still more interesting, shortening the odds on the Liberals finishing with 14 seats rather than the generally anticipated 15, with Labor on ten, the Greens on five, the Jacqui Lambie Network on three and two independents. In doubt is one seat in Braddon that could either go to a fourth Liberal, which would get them to 15, or Craig Garland, putting independents at three. What follows is my summary of the situation in each of the five divisions, listed this time in order of interest rather than alphabetically.

——

I know a bit about the two other independents but I don’t know anything about Craig Garland. Seems to be about fishing rights and against fisheries and also against the major parties.

https://youtu.be/fbh1qgSkzng?si=o5tBjIFbF0IMWaQi

Certainly hates Rockliff though.

Rockliff declared victory on election night but it is going to be a torrid old time for him if he is relying on JLN who hate his guts and alsod needs at least one of three independents, one of whom hates his guts and the other two are lefties.

i thought garland would get up and then was surprised he didn’t. but hare clarke strikes again.

also i expect to hate rockcliffe’s guts in time.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

dv said:

Per PollBludger

The Tasmanian Electoral Commission is now at a fairly advanced stage of conducting its preference distributions, results for which it unusually reports progressively rather than having a computerised system that calculates it all in one hit. These can be found only on the TEC’s site – the numbers shown on my own results facility, linked to above, are finalised first preferences.

This process has made the result look still more interesting, shortening the odds on the Liberals finishing with 14 seats rather than the generally anticipated 15, with Labor on ten, the Greens on five, the Jacqui Lambie Network on three and two independents. In doubt is one seat in Braddon that could either go to a fourth Liberal, which would get them to 15, or Craig Garland, putting independents at three. What follows is my summary of the situation in each of the five divisions, listed this time in order of interest rather than alphabetically.

——

I know a bit about the two other independents but I don’t know anything about Craig Garland. Seems to be about fishing rights and against fisheries and also against the major parties.

https://youtu.be/fbh1qgSkzng?si=o5tBjIFbF0IMWaQi

Certainly hates Rockliff though.

Rockliff declared victory on election night but it is going to be a torrid old time for him if he is relying on JLN who hate his guts and alsod needs at least one of three independents, one of whom hates his guts and the other two are lefties.

i thought garland would get up and then was surprised he didn’t. but hare clarke strikes again.

also i expect to hate rockcliffe’s guts in time.

Wait, do you have some information I don’t? Because according to the TEC website Garland is still in the running.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

i thought garland would get up and then was surprised he didn’t. but hare clarke strikes again.

also i expect to hate rockcliffe’s guts in time.

Wait, do you have some information I don’t? Because according to the TEC website Garland is still in the running.

Currently the only finalised divisions are

Clark
2 Labor
2 Greens
2 Liberal
1 Kristie Johnston

Franklin
2 Labor
1 Green
3 Liberal
1 David O’Byrne

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://youtu.be/fbh1qgSkzng?si=o5tBjIFbF0IMWaQi

Certainly hates Rockliff though.

Rockliff declared victory on election night but it is going to be a torrid old time for him if he is relying on JLN who hate his guts and alsod needs at least one of three independents, one of whom hates his guts and the other two are lefties.

i thought garland would get up and then was surprised he didn’t. but hare clarke strikes again.

also i expect to hate rockcliffe’s guts in time.

Wait, do you have some information I don’t? Because according to the TEC website Garland is still in the running.

when I say hare clarke strikes again it is acceptance the garland will get up.

Okay so that’s all she wrote.

The polls did quite well, this is very much in line with pre-election predictions.

Bass
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 Green
1 JLN

Braddon
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 JLN
1 IND (Garland)

Clark
2 Lib
2 ALP
2 Green
1 IND (Johnston)

Franklin
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 Green
1 IND (O’Byrne)

Lyons
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 Green
1 JLN

Totals
14 Lib
10 ALP
5 Greens
3 JLN
3 IND

dv said:

Okay so that’s all she wrote.

The polls did quite well, this is very much in line with pre-election predictions.

Bass
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 Green
1 JLN

Braddon
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 JLN
1 IND (Garland)

Clark
2 Lib
2 ALP
2 Green
1 IND (Johnston)

Franklin
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 Green
1 IND (O’Byrne)

Lyons
3 Lib
2 ALP
1 Green
1 JLN

Totals
14 Lib
10 ALP
5 Greens
3 JLN
3 IND

good I suppose.

except for the eric.

Before this election, the Libs held 44% of seats and needed the help of 2 former Lib Independents to govern.

Now they have 40% of seats and will need at least 4 others … possibly more if they suffer more defections.

dv said:

Before this election, the Libs held 44% of seats and needed the help of 2 former Lib Independents to govern.

Now they have 40% of seats and will need at least 4 others … possibly more if they suffer more defections.

quality vs quantity.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

Before this election, the Libs held 44% of seats and needed the help of 2 former Lib Independents to govern.

Now they have 40% of seats and will need at least 4 others … possibly more if they suffer more defections.

quality vs quantity.

They’ve got Aiden Abetz now.

07 April 2024
Rockliff backs his ability to juggle a minority government with 11 crossbenchers
Duncan Abey and Simon McGuire

Premier Jeremy Rockliff changing a drill bit in his workshop. Picture: Simon McGuire.

Premier Jeremy Rockliff says he remains confident the Liberal Party is in a position to form minority government.

He said this comes after discussions with both Jacqui Lambie Network and independent candidates following the official declaration of election results.

And while Labor acknowledged Mr Rockliff would be given “first crack” at the premiership by Tasmanian Governor Barbara Baker, party spokesman Luke Edmunds called into question the Premier’s ability to keep control over a parliament in which the Liberals hold just 40 per cent of seats.

“I think he will be given the chance to govern, but whether he can pull it together is highly doubtful,” Labor’s Legislative Member of Pembroke Mr Edmunds said.

“I think that Jeremy Rockliff might even be thinking about whether he should jump before he is pushed.
“He couldn’t manage his backbench, he couldn’t manage the crossbench, and he’s delivered a pretty unstable-looking minority government.”

It was confirmed on Saturday, the Liberal Party will hold 14 seats in the new 35-member parliament.
Speaking from his home base of Sassafras on Sunday, Mr Rockliff acknowledged Tasmanian voters had delivered “a very clear message” to his government.

“They’ve given us a kick up the backside, as I’ve said before,” Mr Rockliff said.
“We note that, we reflect on that, and it’s up to us as a government to redouble our efforts when it comes to concentrating on the things that matter to Tasmanians.

“We need to accept the will of the Tasmanian people.”

Mr Rockliff said it was vital all members of the House of Assembly worked together to achieve stability for the Tasmanian people, and said talks with the new crossbench consisting of JLN members Miriam Beswick, Rebekah Pentland and Andrew Jenner, and independents David O’Byrne, Craig Garland, and Kristie Johnston, were progressing well.

“I’ve been very encouraged by those discussions; I’m excited about those discussions and what we can all deliver collectively and cooperatively for the Tasmanian people,” Mr Rockliff said.

mercury.

I wonder what deal is going down there.

08 April 2024
Professor Richard Herr urges Premier to do deal with Greens for stability
Sue Bailey
The only way for Jeremy Rockliff to maintain stable government and investor confidence is with an arrangement with the Greens, a Tasmanian academic says.
Professor Richard Herr says he’s surprised at the “rage” shown by voters who elected an unprecedented 11 cross benchers to the House of Assembly, “more than double any historic levels in the past”.
He said everyone was asking “how long will it last?” which was bad news for investors.
“The only stable arrangement will be with the Greens. As unpalatable as that might appear, the Greens can bring five disciplined members to the table,” Prof Herr said.
“The remainder of the crossbench is raw, inexperienced, and not necessarily disciplined.
“The Greens have proven their durability, they’re not going anywhere.
“If he is unwise enough to recreate the uncertainty that he experienced in the last year of his government, and to do so deliberately, it will be on his own head.”
Mr Rockliff has ruled out doing deals with the Greens or independents.
Prof Herr said he was asked on election night how long the minority government would last.
“If the Premier wants an investment and Tasmania to be an investment destination, he’s got to persuade the investors that people aren’t asking the question ‘how long will it last’?
“It’s not a good investment environment to have that question hanging in the air.”
Prof Herr, said he like the Premier, did not expect to see 11 MPs on the crossbench.
“It is amazing that without a how to vote card, the rage in the community was such that you could elect a suite of untried newcomers,” he said.
“The rage was such that the crossbenchers more than double any historic level in the past, and that just tells you that it was a voter backlash against the two party system.
“I think he thought, as indeed I did, there would be a large suite of people taking a chance, but in the end it would settle on, you know, six to seven on the crossbench and with him having enough numbers to be able to negotiate a more sensible agreement than he had with (Liberal defectors) John Tucker and Lara Alexander.”
Prof Herr believes Mr Rockliff’s leadership is safe and he is the best negotiator in the lower house.
“If anybody’s going to find a reasonably effective negotiated path through the next parliament, he’s probably the only one in the chamber that has that skill.
“He has never deserted his party, he’s always taken the worst jobs and he didn’t abandon the party when Peter Gutwein did.
“So I trust his integrity and his commitment to Tasmania.”
susan.bailey@news.com.au

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-08/financial-sovereignty-and-why-some-think-ato-is-not-real/103578948

The rise of financial sovereignty — and why some Australians believe they don’t have to pay tax

In a living room in Queensland, Australia, a woman sits down in front of a camera.

“Good morning everybody – don’t mind me, I’m just finishing my brekkie,” she said.

The video is being live-streamed to a Facebook group with more than 4,000 members.

It is a group for people seeking “spiritual” or sovereign financial advice, and members post in the chat to ask the guru her thoughts on paying income tax and lodging a return come tax season.

The woman’s message is clear in the caption of the video: “Why you shouldn’t lodge your taxes.”

Smiling down the barrel of the camera, she offers her advice:

“I do always say this one thing: do nothing. Don’t do anything,” the woman said.

“No-one has ever been prosecuted for not lodging.”

A rising movement
This Facebook group is part of a growing phenomenon that has emerged in the past few years and is an offshoot of the more well-known sovereign citizen movement.

The sovereign citizen movement rejects the legitimacy of the government. Its fast-growing popularity has had authorities scrambling to get a handle on how far its tentacles have reached.

This Facebook group has raised particular concerns about its impact on financial spaces, with the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) voicing its concerns about how it could affect Australian public life.

“Operating outside the tax and regulatory systems is not a victimless crime, and can have serious impacts,” a spokeswoman said.

“Sovereign citizen’ type claims promoted by some that somehow you can opt out of the tax system, or that the ATO does not have legal standing, have been repeatedly debunked, and are likely to lead to significant penalties,” a spokeswoman said.

Experts say the alarm bells are ringing for government authorities as these kinds of groups continue to gain popularity.

In 2022 and 2023, seminars that blended spirituality, sovereign citizenship and finance cropped up in places such as Melbourne, Perth and the Gold Coast.

One of the people who attended was West Australian man Steve Oxby.

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Mr Oxby – by all accounts a successful, intelligent career man in his 50s who always followed his tax obligations — attended one of these seminars for two days in 2019.

While there, he said he learnt about “historical and constitutional law”.

“The seminar explained that taxation is not compulsory and is supposed to be voluntary,” Mr Oxby told the ATO in a letter in 2020.

“One key point raised in the seminar is that in order for the living man to perform work to generate an income, he must first be sustained,” he wrote.

This was his justification for claiming $70,000 in deductions for his rent, house and health insurance, clothing, home and car maintenance, food, phone bills and recreational activities for an entire year all on his tax return.

Administrative Appeals Tribunal senior member Michelle Evans-Bonner was scathing of his argument.

“I pause here to observe that this theory amounts to no more than a groundless and illogical fringe theory that has no foundation in Australian law,” she said.

“Unfortunately, Mr Oxby was persuaded by this theory during the seminar, which I infer from his evidence, was presented in a persuasive and charismatic manner.”

He was ultimately fined $14,000.

And Mr Oxby is not the only Australian who has turned to financial sovereignty movements as a way to ease cost-of-living stress.

What’s the appeal?
Stephen Young, who has worked in the area of pseudo-law for years and examined its impact on the legal system, said there was no one “type” of person who fell into these types of movements.

“I’ve seen civil law lawyers get sucked into it,” he said.

“If there’s a grain of truth in there, it pulls you in.

“If you start to doubt the institutions, if you start to doubt common sense, it’s really easy to be persuaded by things that aren’t common sense.

“I think that’s how accountants and lawyers get sucked into this. It’s not because they’re not literate, it’s not because they’re not smart, it’s just because there’s reasons to question a system that doesn’t work perfectly for everyone.”

Dr Young said it was especially important to understand people who became involved in these movements were not necessarily bad-faith actors.

“I think what makes people susceptible is any type of stress in their life, if it’s financial or familial,” he said.

“People might be looking for a way to solve this, and they might be looking for an easy legal answer when there is none.”

What’s being done?
One group on social media promoting financial sovereignty has upwards of 4,000 members.

Joe McIntyre said that figure was extremely concerning.

“That alarms me, if I’m honest,” he said.

Dr McIntyre has also worked in the pseudo-law sphere for five years. He said the slow creep of the phenomenon was largely due to under-regulation.

“Right now what we’re seeing is that a broad movement is happening across the space, and it’s causing a little bit of irritation to a lot of government agencies rather than a huge amount of irritation to one,” he said

Dr McIntyre said there needed to be a concerted effort to stamp out misinformation spread by fringe groups before it spread further.

“A lot of their advice amounts to criminal conduct — how to lie on a statutory declaration, how to mislead the police — so why aren’t we seeing criminal prosecutions against these people?” he said.

He said the Australian government needed to consider an approach similar to Canada’s, which targeted known groups with tax avoidance charges.

“They stepped in and really effectively shut it down,” he said.

Dr Young agreed regulatory action was essential to curbing the movement’s impact on vulnerable people.

“It’s a growing problem here, and if it’s a growing problem here, that’s really indicative of massive problems that could be arising,” he said.

“Even if they’re not traditionally vulnerable people, they have this sense that without government intervention they would be doing better than they are.

“There’s some distrust there that makes them vulnerable, and psychologically it can have the same effect.”

Why should we care?
Dr McIntyre said as Australians, it was hard to see people fall for these movements.

“There are these ‘gurus’ that are feasting on vulnerable people under pressure,” he said.

“That’s something we don’t like to see as Australians anywhere, and that’s what’s happening here.

“Most of these people are not bad people and they’re not criminals with a wanton disregard for the law.

“These are people that are trying to do the right thing and are getting misled.

“This is something that is growing and is acting like a parasitic drain on public resources, and with a couple of well-aimed strikes from regulators, this could be shut down.”

In summarising the judgement against Mr Oxby, Dr Evans-Bonner kept it simple:

“In this world, nothing can be certain except death and taxes.”

dv said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-08/financial-sovereignty-and-why-some-think-ato-is-not-real/103578948

The rise of financial sovereignty — and why some Australians believe they don’t have to pay tax

In a living room in Queensland, Australia, a woman sits down in front of a camera.

“Good morning everybody – don’t mind me, I’m just finishing my brekkie,” she said.

The video is being live-streamed to a Facebook group with more than 4,000 members.

It is a group for people seeking “spiritual” or sovereign financial advice, and members post in the chat to ask the guru her thoughts on paying income tax and lodging a return come tax season.

The woman’s message is clear in the caption of the video: “Why you shouldn’t lodge your taxes.”

Smiling down the barrel of the camera, she offers her advice:

“I do always say this one thing: do nothing. Don’t do anything,” the woman said.

“No-one has ever been prosecuted for not lodging.”

A rising movement
This Facebook group is part of a growing phenomenon that has emerged in the past few years and is an offshoot of the more well-known sovereign citizen movement.

The sovereign citizen movement rejects the legitimacy of the government. Its fast-growing popularity has had authorities scrambling to get a handle on how far its tentacles have reached.

This Facebook group has raised particular concerns about its impact on financial spaces, with the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) voicing its concerns about how it could affect Australian public life.

“Operating outside the tax and regulatory systems is not a victimless crime, and can have serious impacts,” a spokeswoman said.

“Sovereign citizen’ type claims promoted by some that somehow you can opt out of the tax system, or that the ATO does not have legal standing, have been repeatedly debunked, and are likely to lead to significant penalties,” a spokeswoman said.

Experts say the alarm bells are ringing for government authorities as these kinds of groups continue to gain popularity.

In 2022 and 2023, seminars that blended spirituality, sovereign citizenship and finance cropped up in places such as Melbourne, Perth and the Gold Coast.

One of the people who attended was West Australian man Steve Oxby.

v

Mr Oxby – by all accounts a successful, intelligent career man in his 50s who always followed his tax obligations — attended one of these seminars for two days in 2019.

While there, he said he learnt about “historical and constitutional law”.

“The seminar explained that taxation is not compulsory and is supposed to be voluntary,” Mr Oxby told the ATO in a letter in 2020.

“One key point raised in the seminar is that in order for the living man to perform work to generate an income, he must first be sustained,” he wrote.

This was his justification for claiming $70,000 in deductions for his rent, house and health insurance, clothing, home and car maintenance, food, phone bills and recreational activities for an entire year all on his tax return.

Administrative Appeals Tribunal senior member Michelle Evans-Bonner was scathing of his argument.

“I pause here to observe that this theory amounts to no more than a groundless and illogical fringe theory that has no foundation in Australian law,” she said.

“Unfortunately, Mr Oxby was persuaded by this theory during the seminar, which I infer from his evidence, was presented in a persuasive and charismatic manner.”

He was ultimately fined $14,000.

And Mr Oxby is not the only Australian who has turned to financial sovereignty movements as a way to ease cost-of-living stress.

What’s the appeal?
Stephen Young, who has worked in the area of pseudo-law for years and examined its impact on the legal system, said there was no one “type” of person who fell into these types of movements.

“I’ve seen civil law lawyers get sucked into it,” he said.

“If there’s a grain of truth in there, it pulls you in.

“If you start to doubt the institutions, if you start to doubt common sense, it’s really easy to be persuaded by things that aren’t common sense.

“I think that’s how accountants and lawyers get sucked into this. It’s not because they’re not literate, it’s not because they’re not smart, it’s just because there’s reasons to question a system that doesn’t work perfectly for everyone.”

Dr Young said it was especially important to understand people who became involved in these movements were not necessarily bad-faith actors.

“I think what makes people susceptible is any type of stress in their life, if it’s financial or familial,” he said.

“People might be looking for a way to solve this, and they might be looking for an easy legal answer when there is none.”

What’s being done?
One group on social media promoting financial sovereignty has upwards of 4,000 members.

Joe McIntyre said that figure was extremely concerning.

“That alarms me, if I’m honest,” he said.

Dr McIntyre has also worked in the pseudo-law sphere for five years. He said the slow creep of the phenomenon was largely due to under-regulation.

“Right now what we’re seeing is that a broad movement is happening across the space, and it’s causing a little bit of irritation to a lot of government agencies rather than a huge amount of irritation to one,” he said

Dr McIntyre said there needed to be a concerted effort to stamp out misinformation spread by fringe groups before it spread further.

“A lot of their advice amounts to criminal conduct — how to lie on a statutory declaration, how to mislead the police — so why aren’t we seeing criminal prosecutions against these people?” he said.

He said the Australian government needed to consider an approach similar to Canada’s, which targeted known groups with tax avoidance charges.

“They stepped in and really effectively shut it down,” he said.

Dr Young agreed regulatory action was essential to curbing the movement’s impact on vulnerable people.

“It’s a growing problem here, and if it’s a growing problem here, that’s really indicative of massive problems that could be arising,” he said.

“Even if they’re not traditionally vulnerable people, they have this sense that without government intervention they would be doing better than they are.

“There’s some distrust there that makes them vulnerable, and psychologically it can have the same effect.”

Why should we care?
Dr McIntyre said as Australians, it was hard to see people fall for these movements.

“There are these ‘gurus’ that are feasting on vulnerable people under pressure,” he said.

“That’s something we don’t like to see as Australians anywhere, and that’s what’s happening here.

“Most of these people are not bad people and they’re not criminals with a wanton disregard for the law.

“These are people that are trying to do the right thing and are getting misled.

“This is something that is growing and is acting like a parasitic drain on public resources, and with a couple of well-aimed strikes from regulators, this could be shut down.”

In summarising the judgement against Mr Oxby, Dr Evans-Bonner kept it simple:

“In this world, nothing can be certain except death and taxes.”

Probably solve the certainty of death before the certainty of no taxes, may never have a post scarcity world

Liberal heavyweight and recently elected Tasmanian parliamentarian Eric Abetz has blasted the party’s recent re-election campaign strategy, labelling the attacks on the Jacqui Lambie Network as a mistake and lamenting the Liberals’ declining primary vote.
Mr Abetz made the comments in a robust defence of long-time member and Clarence Mayor Brendan Blomeley, who is facing expulsion from the party over comments he made during the campaign.
On Thursday, party president Michael McKenna emailed Franklin electorate Liberals claiming that Mr Blomeley’s membership had “ceased” due to recent remarks he made to the media, where he did not rule out running as an independent.
Mr Blomeley responded by labelling the expulsion attempt “illegal”, and calling a special meeting of the Franklin electorate committee, which he chairs, on April 11 at Bellerive Yacht Club.
In a letter to Franklin Liberals obtained by the Mercury, Mr Abetz described the attempt to oust Mr Blomeley as the most “manipulative attempt to undermine the party’s democratic nature” he had ever witnessed.
Mr Abetz, who serves as the Franklin committee’s deputy chair, also took aim at the Liberal performance at the 23 March poll, in which the incumbent government won just 14 of the 35 seats on offer in the newly expanded parliament.
“Many of you have contacted me to express your disgust and disbelief at the attempt by the state president to expel our electorate chair, Mayor Brendan Blomeley,” Mr Abetz wrote.
“I share your disgust and disbelief.
“As his deputy chair, I can confirm he has my full support.
“At a time when we need to regroup (we’ve just lost 12 per cent of our primary vote), our party leadership should be concentrating on that task rather than destroying our fabric and reputation.”
While Mr Blomeley initially described the reason to expel him as “absurdity on steroids”, Mr Abetz told members that there was no evidence that the Clarence Mayor had either nominated, or said he was going to nominate, to run against Liberal candidates at the election.
And Mr Abetz accused Mr McKenna of drawing negative attention to the party at a time it was attempting to forge a minority governing arrangement with the new crossbench.
“ did confirm he had been approached and after polite consideration declined and backed in our Liberal Team, end of story,” Mr Abetz wrote.
“And so, it was in the media. Now, due to the blundering of our state president, we have an even bigger and absolutely destructive media story.
“It is reminiscent of the counter-productive attack on the Lambie Network during the election.
“I urge you to attend the Franklin electorate committee’s special meeting … to express your views about our president’s behaviour toward our democratically elected chair.
“Yours in true Liberalism, The Hon. Eric Abetz.”
On Sunday, after convening a weekend meeting of the Liberal State Executive, Mr McKenna doubled down on his intention to expel Mr Blomeley from the party fold.
In an email sent to Liberal members and seen by the Mercury, Mr McKenna said legal advice obtained from a Senior Counsel confirmed that his original letter to Mr Blomeley involved a correct interpretation of the party’s constitution.
Mr McKenna told members that the chair of the Franklin electorate was indeed currently vacant, and that the proposed Franklin committee meeting scheduled for 11 April was not an official Liberal Party event.
“As it is not an official meeting of the Party, Members should disregard emails about a Franklin committee meeting on 11 April,” Mr McKenna said.
“Once State Executive has appointed a replacement Chair, a meeting of the Franklin electorate committee will be called as soon as reasonably practicable.
“I hope this situation will be resolved soon.
“Mr Blomeley may apply to re-join the Party at any time.”

mercury

Erica already making moves for the state leadership position

dv said:

Erica already making moves for the state leadership position

Is calling Eric Abetz “Erica” meant to belittle him because it’s a woman’s name?

kii said:

dv said:

Erica already making moves for the state leadership position

Is calling Eric Abetz “Erica” meant to belittle him because it’s a woman’s name?

i would imagine it is just that what it sounds like when you say his full name. so he just gets called erica.

Bogsnorkler said:

kii said:

dv said:

Erica already making moves for the state leadership position

Is calling Eric Abetz “Erica” meant to belittle him because it’s a woman’s name?

i would imagine it is just that what it sounds like when you say his full name. so he just gets called erica.

^

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

kii said:

Is calling Eric Abetz “Erica” meant to belittle him because it’s a woman’s name?

i would imagine it is just that what it sounds like when you say his full name. so he just gets called erica.

^

I concur with sm. When my Hobart brother was first disparaging of him, many moons ago, he was being called Erica then. It’s just the way the name sounds when said out loud.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

i would imagine it is just that what it sounds like when you say his full name. so he just gets called erica.

^

I concur with sm. When my Hobart brother was first disparaging of him, many moons ago, he was being called Erica then. It’s just the way the name sounds when said out loud.

It’s like Benjamin Nankervis, who was otherwise known as Bendyourbum Andcurveyourarse.

OPINION: Labor’s faceless men forced White to pass up achievable pathway to power

I can’t work out the Labor Party.

They rebrand themselves as the party of the faceless men, force out their best leader in a decade and pass up an achievable pathway to power.

Former Labor Minister Dr Julian Amos quite rightly calls the ALP’s administrative committee “Off the dial mad”.
You will recall Labor leader Bec White on election night talked up the chance of a Labor minority government, even with just 10 seats and said she would seek to stay on as leader.

The next morning the party’s unelected administrative committee overruled the elected Ms White and conceded the election to the Liberals.

This was a clear case of the faceless admin’ committee asserting its dominance over the Labor Caucus. It was a coup.
Franklin MP Dean Winter is widely tipped to become leader now that Bec White has resigned, but if I was him I wouldn’t touch the leadership with a barge pole.

As a senior Labor identity told me over the election weekend, they haven’t learnt from the year-long federal intervention.
As soon as the national executive handed back control to the State branch some weeks ago the factions have resumed their wars as usual.

To them, winning factional wars against each other is far more important than beating the Liberals. Don’t take my word for it, just look at their actions.

I watched Bec White in the final debate against Jeremy Rockliff and she won easily. She is a class act, and now she’s gone, thanks to the unelected, mad, faceless crowd.

Sure, it is her third failed attempt but there was a pathway forward for Labor and she could see it, but the mad crowd couldn’t, or wouldn’t.

In 1989 Michael Field won only 13 seats out of 35, with Labor’s lowest vote since 1906, but he did a deal with the five Greens and as the Greens kept telling the Libs, 13 plus 5 equals 18 seats and a majority.

We are assuming Labor this time has won 10 seats and the Greens five.

That gives them 15 seats so they only need three more for a majority, which could easily have come from the Jacqui Lambie Network or from former Labor leader David O’Byrne or independent Kristie Johnston, with both likely to win a seat.

Jacqui Lambie, Johnston and O’Byrne have made it clear they don’t like the Libs and even if they are neutral on that vein, they all wanted a change after almost 11 years of Liberal rule.

I think Bec White would have made a stunning Premier and would have given the electorate a good reason to favour Labor at the next election.

As it now stands Jeremy Rockliff will cobble together an albeit unstable alliance which may not last two years.

A Bec White minority government, with its focus on health and cost of living, and with an ally in Albo federally, would have lasted much longer.

The partners to this arrangement would have known it was in their best interests to ensure the Parliament lasted as long as possible.
Now I can see the Labor Party being out of government for another two terms because the Libs would have learned from their mistakes.
All the Libs need to do is properly fund health, stop ambulance ramping and pour funds into housing and generally steal the middle ground, and they will win more seats again next time if not a majority.

Now Labor’s ultimate return to power is years away, thanks to their faceless and unelected administrative committee.

If I was the hard-working Labor volunteers and even the broader rank and file, I would rise up and tell the committee where to shove it.
The committee’s actions were self-serving and purely political. They were fighting a war, but with each other and on another planet.
So I think there’s a chance the unions will try and lure David O’Byrne back into the fold and take the leadership and if this happens it will further alienate the rank and file as the party descends into a third rate banana republic, ruled by a junta.

The party is now ruled by a junta already, who have decidedly usurped the role and powers of the Caucus and its leadership and made the Caucus mere puppets in Parliament.

You will find politics in Tasmania mirroring mainland states.

In Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia Labor lasted for years in Government, even though they deserved to lose office, because the conservative parties were hopelessly divided and incompetent.
For much the same reason the Libs here could last at least 16 years in power because the Labor opposition has rendered itself unelectable.

And the Libs won’t be standing still. If they switch to the Paul Lennon stadium 2.0, back the AFL team, keep their promises and focus on cost of living across all portfolios they will be highly competitive next time.

They will be where Bec White could have been, if the Labor’s administrative committee had simply remembered its role.

-examiner.

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Not so sure about this opinion. but it is one.

Bogsnorkler said:

kii said:

dv said:

Erica already making moves for the state leadership position

Is calling Eric Abetz “Erica” meant to belittle him because it’s a woman’s name?

i would imagine it is just that what it sounds like when you say his full name. so he just gets called erica.

Aiden Abetz also works

sarahs mum said:

OPINION: Labor’s faceless men forced White to pass up achievable pathway to power

I can’t work out the Labor Party.

They rebrand themselves as the party of the faceless men, force out their best leader in a decade and pass up an achievable pathway to power.

Former Labor Minister Dr Julian Amos quite rightly calls the ALP’s administrative committee “Off the dial mad”.
You will recall Labor leader Bec White on election night talked up the chance of a Labor minority government, even with just 10 seats and said she would seek to stay on as leader.

The next morning the party’s unelected administrative committee overruled the elected Ms White and conceded the election to the Liberals.

This was a clear case of the faceless admin’ committee asserting its dominance over the Labor Caucus. It was a coup.
Franklin MP Dean Winter is widely tipped to become leader now that Bec White has resigned, but if I was him I wouldn’t touch the leadership with a barge pole.

As a senior Labor identity told me over the election weekend, they haven’t learnt from the year-long federal intervention.
As soon as the national executive handed back control to the State branch some weeks ago the factions have resumed their wars as usual.

To them, winning factional wars against each other is far more important than beating the Liberals. Don’t take my word for it, just look at their actions.

I watched Bec White in the final debate against Jeremy Rockliff and she won easily. She is a class act, and now she’s gone, thanks to the unelected, mad, faceless crowd.

Sure, it is her third failed attempt but there was a pathway forward for Labor and she could see it, but the mad crowd couldn’t, or wouldn’t.

In 1989 Michael Field won only 13 seats out of 35, with Labor’s lowest vote since 1906, but he did a deal with the five Greens and as the Greens kept telling the Libs, 13 plus 5 equals 18 seats and a majority.

We are assuming Labor this time has won 10 seats and the Greens five.

That gives them 15 seats so they only need three more for a majority, which could easily have come from the Jacqui Lambie Network or from former Labor leader David O’Byrne or independent Kristie Johnston, with both likely to win a seat.

Jacqui Lambie, Johnston and O’Byrne have made it clear they don’t like the Libs and even if they are neutral on that vein, they all wanted a change after almost 11 years of Liberal rule.

I think Bec White would have made a stunning Premier and would have given the electorate a good reason to favour Labor at the next election.

As it now stands Jeremy Rockliff will cobble together an albeit unstable alliance which may not last two years.

A Bec White minority government, with its focus on health and cost of living, and with an ally in Albo federally, would have lasted much longer.

The partners to this arrangement would have known it was in their best interests to ensure the Parliament lasted as long as possible.
Now I can see the Labor Party being out of government for another two terms because the Libs would have learned from their mistakes.
All the Libs need to do is properly fund health, stop ambulance ramping and pour funds into housing and generally steal the middle ground, and they will win more seats again next time if not a majority.

Now Labor’s ultimate return to power is years away, thanks to their faceless and unelected administrative committee.

If I was the hard-working Labor volunteers and even the broader rank and file, I would rise up and tell the committee where to shove it.
The committee’s actions were self-serving and purely political. They were fighting a war, but with each other and on another planet.
So I think there’s a chance the unions will try and lure David O’Byrne back into the fold and take the leadership and if this happens it will further alienate the rank and file as the party descends into a third rate banana republic, ruled by a junta.

The party is now ruled by a junta already, who have decidedly usurped the role and powers of the Caucus and its leadership and made the Caucus mere puppets in Parliament.

You will find politics in Tasmania mirroring mainland states.

In Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia Labor lasted for years in Government, even though they deserved to lose office, because the conservative parties were hopelessly divided and incompetent.
For much the same reason the Libs here could last at least 16 years in power because the Labor opposition has rendered itself unelectable.

And the Libs won’t be standing still. If they switch to the Paul Lennon stadium 2.0, back the AFL team, keep their promises and focus on cost of living across all portfolios they will be highly competitive next time.

They will be where Bec White could have been, if the Labor’s administrative committee had simply remembered its role.

-examiner.

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Not so sure about this opinion. but it is one.

Grain of truth

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2024/04/jln-confirms-working-on-a-deal-to-support-liberal-government/

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sigh. Can’t see that holding together.

Former Greens leader Cassy O’Connor believes her chances at LegCo has been boosted
David Killick

Former Tasmanian Greens leader Cassy O’Connor says her party’s strong performance at the recent state election has supercharged her campaign to enter the Legislative Council.

Ms O’Connor, who left parliament last year, has been campaigning in the division of Hobart.

She is one of two declared contender to date along with independent Charlie Burton.

The Greens look set to return five members to the House of Assembly — including two in Ms O’Connor’s former electorate of Clark.

“The party is really energised after the election results,” she said on Friday.

“So we’ve got members and supporters who absolutely champing at the bit.

“We start seriously door knocking again this weekend and we’re just going to keep working hard on the ground every day between now and polling day to make history in Hobart and win our first ever Green seat in the upper house.

“I think Hobart has, as a city, demonstrated over decades, that it has a big green beating heart.”

Ms O’Connor rejected the suggestion that it was important to elect independent candidates to the Legislative Council.

“I think it’s about the quality and track record of the people that we elect,” she said.

“I understand the move towards independents and minor parties because the Liberal and Labor parties have proven themselves to be such duds and so rarely do they act in the public interest.”

Ms O’Connor said health and housing had been the major issues voters had raised with her so far, with young people also raising climate.

The proposed AFL stadium was often raised in contrast as a wrong priority, she said.

As party leader, Ms O’Connor was noted for her sometimes fiery performances in the House of Assembly,

“I’m a truth teller and if I’m elected, I’ll continue to be so but I’m sure because of the culture of the Legislative Council those conversations will be more measured,” she said.

“But it doesn’t mean that you don’t speak the truth up there and fight for your community and make sure that the legislation that goes through there is the best that it can be.”

The May 4 election could be a turning point for the Greens, Ms O’Connor said. The party has mostly been successful in multi-member electorates in the Lower House and the federal Senate.

“We’ve never won a single-member electorate in Tasmania. I’m prepared to give it a go.

“I really love this beautiful city and the community that I’m part of.

“The reason that I put my hand up when I stepped down as leader and member Clark is that I’ve got more to give.”

david.killick@news.com.au

sarahs mum said:

https://tasmaniantimes.com/2024/04/jln-confirms-working-on-a-deal-to-support-liberal-government/

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sigh. Can’t see that holding together.

Journalist – Adam Langenberg

You said you want to work with the Premier but the Premier and his team went out pretty hard at you during the campaign. They called you Greens in disguise, there was the fake website. Is that relationship repairable going forward? Did you take offence to those attacks during the campaign?

Miriam Beswick

Look, we’re all adults here. And we’re quite capable of, you know, having open and honest conversations, and we will definitely be discussing some of those things. But we’re not gonna make that, offend Tasmania, we want we want to make sure we have a group of people that are working together, and we’re cooperating as a team.

Andrew Jenner

I think politics is politics, look you can’t get too wrapped up in it. You have got to have a thick skin. As I always say to people, I’m not fat I’m just got thick skin. And it’s true. I mean, you know, yes, it wasn’t the best campaign. But will it affect his working with them? No it won’t. Because we’re here to represent Tasmanians,

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Journalist – Elliott

How important is your sense of faith to you? And do you have a particular stance on a ban on conversion practices?

Miriam Beswick

My faith is a huge part of my life I am, you know, when we had our in our playground business, we actually did have our church was actually in that same building. So it is a significant part of my life. When it comes to conversion practices, anything that is hurtful to our bodies and our children is not something that I would be encouraging.

Journalist – Elliott

So you would support a ban?

Miriam Beswick

I would want to see the information. I wouldn’t support it without that detail.

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

Bogsnorkler said:

i would imagine it is just that what it sounds like when you say his full name. so he just gets called erica.

^

I concur with sm. When my Hobart brother was first disparaging of him, many moons ago, he was being called Erica then. It’s just the way the name sounds when said out loud.

I’m not stupid. JFC! Of course I realise that.
Sheesh.
Try calling him a name that doesn’t use a female’s name.
Try his family name. Abetz.

kii said:

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

^

I concur with sm. When my Hobart brother was first disparaging of him, many moons ago, he was being called Erica then. It’s just the way the name sounds when said out loud.

I’m not stupid. JFC! Of course I realise that.
Sheesh.
Try calling him a name that doesn’t use a female’s name.
Try his family name. Abetz.

So females have a monopoly on female’s names.

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

buffy said:

I concur with sm. When my Hobart brother was first disparaging of him, many moons ago, he was being called Erica then. It’s just the way the name sounds when said out loud.

I’m not stupid. JFC! Of course I realise that.
Sheesh.
Try calling him a name that doesn’t use a female’s name.
Try his family name. Abetz.

So females have a monopoly on female’s names.

JOhn Wayne’s real first name was Marion.

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

buffy said:

I concur with sm. When my Hobart brother was first disparaging of him, many moons ago, he was being called Erica then. It’s just the way the name sounds when said out loud.

I’m not stupid. JFC! Of course I realise that.
Sheesh.
Try calling him a name that doesn’t use a female’s name.
Try his family name. Abetz.

So females have a monopoly on female’s names.

Do I have to explain everything?

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

kii said:

I’m not stupid. JFC! Of course I realise that.
Sheesh.
Try calling him a name that doesn’t use a female’s name.
Try his family name. Abetz.

So females have a monopoly on female’s names.

Do I have to explain everything?

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

diddly-squat said:

kii said:

SCIENCE said:

So females have a monopoly on female’s names.

Do I have to explain everything?

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii said:

Do I have to explain everything?

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

Exactly. Why is using a woman’s name disparaging¿ Is it because calling a man a woman is an insult¿ Or is it because women are naturally better than men so their names should not be defiled through their use to refer to men¿

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

Exactly. Why is using a woman’s name disparaging¿ Is it because calling a man a woman is an insult¿ Or is it because women are naturally better than men so their names should not be defiled through their use to refer to men¿

I thought that as well.

Bogsnorkler said:

SCIENCE said:

Bogsnorkler said:

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

Exactly. Why is using a woman’s name disparaging¿ Is it because calling a man a woman is an insult¿ Or is it because women are naturally better than men so their names should not be defiled through their use to refer to men¿

I thought that as well.

He robbed from the rich
And he gave to the poor
Stood up to the man
And he gave him what for
Our love for him now
Ain’t hard to explain
The hero of Canton
The man they call Jayne

esselte said:

Bogsnorkler said:

SCIENCE said:

Exactly. Why is using a woman’s name disparaging¿ Is it because calling a man a woman is an insult¿ Or is it because women are naturally better than men so their names should not be defiled through their use to refer to men¿

I thought that as well.

He robbed from the rich
And he gave to the poor
Stood up to the man
And he gave him what for
Our love for him now
Ain’t hard to explain
The hero of Canton
The man they call Jayne

And he said, “Son, this world is rough
And if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough
I knew I wouldn’t be there to help you along
So I give you that name, and I said goodbye
And I knew you’d have to get tough or die
It’s that name that helped to make you strong”
He said, “Now you just fought one heck of a fight
And I know you hate me, and you got the right to kill me now
And I wouldn’t blame you if you do
But you ought to thank me, before I die
For the gravel in ya gut and the spit in ya eye
‘Cause I’m the son of a bitch that named you Sue”
What could I do?

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii said:

Do I have to explain everything?

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

ERICA
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diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

A Canadian pronunciation of Eric

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

A Canadian pronunciation of Eric

or, it would see, a Tasmanian..

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

Botanical name for heath?

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

it’s of no surprise to anyone that issues related to gender roles tend to be skewed to favour men… I mean there are libraries of books written on the subject…

I think a more interesting question is ask is given that there are variety of gender disparaging nicknames for woman (and I mean take your pick here) are there an equivalent set of names for men that don’t play on non-masculine themes?

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

it’s of no surprise to anyone that issues related to gender roles tend to be skewed to favour men… I mean there are libraries of books written on the subject…

I think a more interesting question is ask is given that there are variety of gender disparaging nicknames for woman (and I mean take your pick here) are there an equivalent set of names for men that don’t play on non-masculine themes?

Besides rude words it would be harder to find I imagine

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

The only one I can think of outright, and it’s not really a play on names per se, is “tom-boy”

On reflection we also tend to not use masculine features as a positive description for woman.

diddly-squat said:

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

The only one I can think of outright, and it’s not really a play on names per se, is “tom-boy”

On reflection we also tend to not use masculine features as a positive description for woman.

Handsome women isn’t usually a compliment

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

Henceforth I shall refer to him as Hairy Kabetz.

My apologies to hairy people everywhere.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

Henceforth I shall refer to him as Hairy Kabetz.

My apologies to hairy people everywhere.

My introduction to his name must have been about when he first entered parliament. I had no idea about Tasmanian politics and my Hobart brother mentioned a parliamentarian he didn’t like as Ericabets. I didn’t know it was Eric Abbets until later. For all I knew it could have been Erica Betts. I wasn’t sufficiently interested to bother finding out for some time.

as I previously mentioned, I never looked at him being called erica as a derogatory thing. It was to me a purely play on words. what other people interpret it as is their look out.

I seem to remember a bloke in the Navy whose name could be written as S. Hurley.

He was known to all and sundry as Shirley. It was a pun on a name, a not infrequent thing in the services, and no offence was meant by it, and he was happy to adopt it.

There was certainly worse nicknames in circulation.

captain_spalding said:

I seem to remember a bloke in the Navy whose name could be written as S. Hurley.

He was known to all and sundry as Shirley. It was a pun on a name, a not infrequent thing in the services, and no offence was meant by it, and he was happy to adopt it.

There was certainly worse nicknames in circulation.

I think you have it.

But I am happy to call lengthen Eric’s name to ‘Otto’s nasty nephew.’

captain_spalding said:

I seem to remember a bloke in the Navy whose name could be written as S. Hurley.

He was known to all and sundry as Shirley. It was a pun on a name, a not infrequent thing in the services, and no offence was meant by it, and he was happy to adopt it.

There was certainly worse nicknames in circulation.

Shirley is also a boy’s name though.

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

It’s a genus of flowering plants.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

I seem to remember a bloke in the Navy whose name could be written as S. Hurley.

He was known to all and sundry as Shirley. It was a pun on a name, a not infrequent thing in the services, and no offence was meant by it, and he was happy to adopt it.

There was certainly worse nicknames in circulation.

Shirley is also a boy’s name though.

and of course the Navy has always been a very intolerant of things like hazing

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

It’s a genus of flowering plants.

Shirley Strachan

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

It’s a genus of flowering plants.

I see sm’s already alerted us to that.

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

There we go! Arts got it.

eeww! I just realised who you are all talking about. I had a horrible interaction with him about 30 years ago when I was in insurance and he was a lawyer. Horrible nasty bully – and he was wrong and didn’t know the legislation – but I did, and I was not a lawyer and a young women.

Brindabellas said:

eeww! I just realised who you are all talking about. I had a horrible interaction with him about 30 years ago when I was in insurance and he was a lawyer. Horrible nasty bully – and he was wrong and didn’t know the legislation – but I did, and I was not a lawyer and a young women.

He’s a really crap lawyer but charges like a good one.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

Henceforth I shall refer to him as Hairy Kabetz.

My apologies to hairy people everywhere.

Or maybe Error Kabetz would fit better.

Nah you make a good case, I’ll stick to Aiden.

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

Henceforth I shall refer to him as Hairy Kabetz.

My apologies to hairy people everywhere.

Or maybe Error Kabetz would fit better.

Joseph by day

Josephine by night

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

diddly-squat said:

kii is right.. the using the name “EricA” is a disparaging reference based on the fact that Eric is a bloke, and Erica is a woman’s name.

it’s not rocket science

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

It is a plant name. Erica is a genus of roughly 857 species of flowering plants in the family Ericaceae. The English common names heath and heather are shared by some closely related genera of similar appearance.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

captain_spalding said:

If the situation was reversed, and a similar pun could be made on the name of a female politician, ‘assigning’ her a traditionally male name, would objections arise from any quarter?

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

Henceforth I shall refer to him as Hairy Kabetz.

My apologies to hairy people everywhere.

He hasn’t got enough hair for the name to stick.

Michael V said:

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

It’s a genus of flowering plants.

Ah. I see you beat me to it.

Annabel Crabb on the new GG

Bogsnorkler said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Arts said:

I’m just going to say the thing that we shouldn’t say…

In a patriarchy the misogynistic way to insult a person, calling a male by a female name is intended to be derogatory – as in you are male and I am going to denigrate you by calling you by a female name because females are viewed as weak and ineffectual and emotional rather than practical…
the same as calling a female a male name is an insult because it means you are butch and not nurturing and not feminine or attractive (as all females should be)

so yes, it is an insult to call him Erica.. it’s like when a guy show emotion and the other guys say – better hand in your man card… its bullshit and a fucking crap way to treat people and hurtful in more ways than just to be mean to one person because it perpetuates the misogynistic view that all males should not show emotion and all females should be seen and not heard.

Henceforth I shall refer to him as Hairy Kabetz.

My apologies to hairy people everywhere.

My introduction to his name must have been about when he first entered parliament. I had no idea about Tasmanian politics and my Hobart brother mentioned a parliamentarian he didn’t like as Ericabets. I didn’t know it was Eric Abbets until later. For all I knew it could have been Erica Betts. I wasn’t sufficiently interested to bother finding out for some time.

as I previously mentioned, I never looked at him being called erica as a derogatory thing. It was to me a purely play on words. what other people interpret it as is their look out.

Ha well as you know we’re always happy to rail against the patriarchy but the moment you call one of the patriarchs a name that sounds exactly the same as their name, we’re going to complain that you’re supporting the patriarchy by insulting them in a patriarchal way.

It’s fine, we all like a bit of transname exclusionary far right cancel culture.

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

Bogsnorkler said:

personally i never associated it with being a woman’s name. It was just a play on words. Of course this is because I’m sensible.

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

It is a plant name. Erica is a genus of roughly 857 species of flowering plants in the family Ericaceae. The English common names heath and heather are shared by some closely related genera of similar appearance.

So it’s all about the stigma.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

diddly-squat said:

It is a play on words, that’s exactly what it is, but it’s a “joke” based on the fact of calling a guy a girl’s name.. I mean the name make no sense on any other context.. I’m happy to be shown otherwise, but what’s an “erica” if not a woman’s name?

It is a plant name. Erica is a genus of roughly 857 species of flowering plants in the family Ericaceae. The English common names heath and heather are shared by some closely related genera of similar appearance.

So it’s all about the stigma.

No treble.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

It is a plant name. Erica is a genus of roughly 857 species of flowering plants in the family Ericaceae. The English common names heath and heather are shared by some closely related genera of similar appearance.

So it’s all about the stigma.

No treble.

Next you’ll be telling us that Barry tone is a sexist patriarchal concept as well, The Sopranos are an insult or something, oh wait

In this paper, the notion of ‘doing boy’ through performance is explored. The point is made that singing is a potential gender performance but the treble voice of the 8‐year‐old to 14‐year‐old boy is a biologically determined as well as socially constructed feature of young masculinity. A complication is the degree to which the boy’s treble voice is traditionally associated with sacred music. Recent attempts at widening participation in singing by cathedrals are evaluated for their potential to increase male participation in the arts through more eclectic forms of repertoire and the sharing of musical expertise. The under‐representation of males is seen as a problem in the study and boys’ choices not to sing during the 8–14 years because of uncertainty about the gendering of the high voice is presented as the major issue. Different sexualities can attach to vocal performance by young males, and these are explored. The changed voice of the ‘boy band’ is associated with explicit performances of heterosexuality in the tradition of hegemonic masculinity. The unchanged treble voice, through its strong association with sacred music, can represent innocence, but such innocence may be related to other forms of masculinity than the hegemonic type. This makes for continued ambivalence over whether boys’ singing is a ‘hard’ or ‘soft’ form of masculinity.

yeah.

Jacqui Lambie Network MPs seal 12 month deal with the Liberal Party in king-making deal
10 April 2024
David Killick
Newly elected members of Tasmanian Parliament, Member for Braddon Miriam Beswick, Member for Lyons Andrew Jenner, and Member for Bass, Rebekah Pentland of the Jacqui Lambie network at Parliament Lawns, Hobart, Monday, April 8, 2024.
Jacqui Lambie Network MPs have signed up to back a Liberal government for 12 months after gaining a handful of minor concessions on transparency and the promise of some of extra staff in return for their votes.

The three new members of the JLN, Miriam Beswick, Andrew Jenner, and Rebekah Pentland, signed a deal to provide confidence to the Rockliff Liberal Government on all confidence and censure votes, to guarantee supply, to support all appropriation and revenue bills, and support the government on parliamentary motions that bind the Government.

“All parties have entered into this agreement with goodwill and trust, and I am confident that this agreement will provide the long-term certainty and stability the Tasmanian people expect,” the Premier said.

“Importantly, the agreement ensures that the Tasmanian parliament functions at its best and serves the best interests of Tasmanians,” he said.

“I thank the JLN for the productive and collaborative approach that they have taken as we have worked towards an agreement.

“I look forward to working with the JLN and taking action on the things that matter to Tasmanians.”

A blurry PDF of the “Confidence and Stability Agreement” was released after the announcement.

It appears to bind the Lambie MPs to back the government in a range of matters where even Liberal MPs enjoy a conscience vote.
The new MPs have agreed to back the government in all no-confidence and censure motions outside of “cases of malfeasance or corruption”, plus all budget bills and all motions which might bind the government.

They have also agreed to inform the government of any intention to vote against it on any matter in advance and vote in favour of any adjournment so negotiations can take place.

In return, the Premier has agreed to meet with the JLN members once a week when parliament is sitting and once a fortnight when it is not.

They will also get a confidential advance briefing on the state budget, four extra staff, an office in Parliament House — like every other MP — and a party room in the building.

They have also secured reviews of the state’s finances, financial modelling of the proposed Macquarie Point Stadium within six months and reviews of the Integrity Commission, right to information laws and political donations laws within 12 months.

The Premier has also agreed to refer public servants named in the Commission of Inquiry report “to the appropriate authorities” — something that has already been done — and to shut down Ashley Detention Centre within the term of the Rockliff government.
In a statement, the JLN MPs said they recognised the importance of providing a stable government and a workable parliament for the benefit of the people of Tasmania.

“The JLN ran in the recent State Election to provide Tasmanians with a choice of a fourth political party that cares about representing the people of Tasmania, with integrity and transparency,” the party said.

“The three new MPs are fully committed to delivering on their promise to ensure greater transparency, accountability and integrity in our Parliament.”

david.killick@news.com.au

sarahs mum said:

Jacqui Lambie Network MPs seal 12 month deal with the Liberal Party in king-making deal
10 April 2024
David Killick
Newly elected members of Tasmanian Parliament, Member for Braddon Miriam Beswick, Member for Lyons Andrew Jenner, and Member for Bass, Rebekah Pentland of the Jacqui Lambie network at Parliament Lawns, Hobart, Monday, April 8, 2024.
Jacqui Lambie Network MPs have signed up to back a Liberal government for 12 months after gaining a handful of minor concessions on transparency and the promise of some of extra staff in return for their votes.

The three new members of the JLN, Miriam Beswick, Andrew Jenner, and Rebekah Pentland, signed a deal to provide confidence to the Rockliff Liberal Government on all confidence and censure votes, to guarantee supply, to support all appropriation and revenue bills, and support the government on parliamentary motions that bind the Government.

“All parties have entered into this agreement with goodwill and trust, and I am confident that this agreement will provide the long-term certainty and stability the Tasmanian people expect,” the Premier said.

“Importantly, the agreement ensures that the Tasmanian parliament functions at its best and serves the best interests of Tasmanians,” he said.

“I thank the JLN for the productive and collaborative approach that they have taken as we have worked towards an agreement.

“I look forward to working with the JLN and taking action on the things that matter to Tasmanians.”

A blurry PDF of the “Confidence and Stability Agreement” was released after the announcement.

It appears to bind the Lambie MPs to back the government in a range of matters where even Liberal MPs enjoy a conscience vote.
The new MPs have agreed to back the government in all no-confidence and censure motions outside of “cases of malfeasance or corruption”, plus all budget bills and all motions which might bind the government.

They have also agreed to inform the government of any intention to vote against it on any matter in advance and vote in favour of any adjournment so negotiations can take place.

In return, the Premier has agreed to meet with the JLN members once a week when parliament is sitting and once a fortnight when it is not.

They will also get a confidential advance briefing on the state budget, four extra staff, an office in Parliament House — like every other MP — and a party room in the building.

They have also secured reviews of the state’s finances, financial modelling of the proposed Macquarie Point Stadium within six months and reviews of the Integrity Commission, right to information laws and political donations laws within 12 months.

The Premier has also agreed to refer public servants named in the Commission of Inquiry report “to the appropriate authorities” — something that has already been done — and to shut down Ashley Detention Centre within the term of the Rockliff government.
In a statement, the JLN MPs said they recognised the importance of providing a stable government and a workable parliament for the benefit of the people of Tasmania.

“The JLN ran in the recent State Election to provide Tasmanians with a choice of a fourth political party that cares about representing the people of Tasmania, with integrity and transparency,” the party said.

“The three new MPs are fully committed to delivering on their promise to ensure greater transparency, accountability and integrity in our Parliament.”

david.killick@news.com.au

12 months’ grace.

Aiden is Leader of the House. He’s already signalled his intention to ratfuck Rockliff.

dv said:

Aiden is Leader of the House. He’s already signalled his intention to ratfuck Rockliff.

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

This is derogatory to rats.

ABC News:

Tas Libs had independence? I thought that they were always beholden to whichever industry was putting banknotes into brown paper bags.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Tas Libs had independence? I thought that they were always beholden to whichever industry was putting banknotes into brown paper bags.

Oh please brown paper bags are for hippies you mean shiny carbon allotropes.

“Their experience of rejection is the artwork.”

SCIENCE said:

“Their experience of rejection is the artwork.”

Speaking to the BBC the day after the hearing, Ms Kaechele says the case has felt like the art coming to life.

The exhibit was supposed to spark debate, yes, but has the spirit of a harmless practical joke, she argues.

“It brings up very serious and interesting conversations, but there’s also something light hearted about it. Women delight in it and most men, I think, enjoy it. They find it funny.”

Ms Kaechele says she is amused – but not surprised – by the men who are genuinely upset, though she hastens to add that Mr Lau has been pleasant and impressive.

“I think people might want to villainise him, but he’s actually really lovely.”

What does his case say about the themes the Ladies Lounge invokes, like male entitlement and the patriarchy, though?

“Well, I think it speaks for itself,” she says.

Ms Kaechele has indicated she’ll fight the case all the way to the Supreme Court if needed, but she says – ironically – that perhaps nothing could drive the point of the artwork home more than having to shut it down.

“If you were just looking at it from an aesthetic standpoint, being forced to close would be pretty powerful.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68572280.amp

Peter Dutton is a fucking idiot, isn’t he?

kii said:

Peter Dutton is a fucking idiot, isn’t he?

Yes.

Michael V said:

kii said:

Peter Dutton is a fucking idiot, isn’t he?

Yes.

Can’t Both Sides An Issue If You Ensure There’s Only One Side ¡

kii said:

Peter Dutton is a fucking idiot, isn’t he?

Ooh I know this one

dv said:

kii said:

Peter Dutton is a fucking idiot, isn’t he?

Ooh I know this one

kii said:

dv said:

kii said:

Peter Dutton is a fucking idiot, isn’t he?

Ooh I know this one

I have no recollection of the “October 9 protests”, where they happened, or what they were about.

party_pants said:

kii said:

dv said:

Ooh I know this one

I have no recollection of the “October 9 protests”, where they happened, or what they were about.

My recollection is vague.

party_pants said:

kii said:

dv said:

Ooh I know this one

I have no recollection of the “October 9 protests”, where they happened, or what they were about.

The October 9 event involved a pro-Palestinian protest outside the Sydney Opera House.

kii said:

Peter Dutton is a fucking idiot, isn’t he?

Of that there is no doubt.

AussieDJ said:

party_pants said:

kii said:

I have no recollection of the “October 9 protests”, where they happened, or what they were about.

The October 9 event involved a pro-Palestinian protest outside the Sydney Opera House.

We mean a metre is a meter right¿

SCIENCE said:

AussieDJ said:

party_pants said:

I have no recollection of the “October 9 protests”, where they happened, or what they were about.

The October 9 event involved a pro-Palestinian protest outside the Sydney Opera House.

We mean a metre is a meter right¿

A meter is often an instrument.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

AussieDJ said:

The October 9 event involved a pro-Palestinian protest outside the Sydney Opera House.

We mean a metre is a meter right¿

A meter is often an instrument.

…

Oh well guess what turns out that apples are a similar mass to oranges, apples are more fibrous than oranges, apples are less ascorbic acidic than oranges, Apples make more Jobs than

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

buffy said:

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Don’t get all agifitated about the $500 million.

It’sinevitably going to cost a lot more than that, and take a lot longer than projected.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Don’t get all agifitated about the $500 million.

It’sinevitably going to cost a lot more than that, and take a lot longer than projected.

Especially if there is a submarine in it.

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Ah, I see. Expensive business cases. But when I think about it, a bit low for refurbishments of the AWM.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

We mean a metre is a meter right¿

A meter is often an instrument.

…

Oh well guess what turns out that apples are a similar mass to oranges, apples are more fibrous than oranges, apples are less ascorbic acidic than oranges, Apples make more Jobs than…

… keeping the doctor away?

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Don’t get all agifitated about the $500 million.

It’sinevitably going to cost a lot more than that, and take a lot longer than projected.

Might as well tag it on to the end of the subs project and be done with it. Build a few hundred stadiums around Australia. It’s only money

buffy said:

Michael V said:

buffy said:

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Ah, I see. Expensive business cases. But when I think about it, a bit low for refurbishments of the AWM.

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

buffy said:

This is interesting:

ABC article, Auditor-general slams $540 million upgrade to Australian War Memorial, finding steps taken to dodge ministerial oversight

From that link:

>>The expansion, which involves the demolition of the award-winning Anzac Hall, has been marred in controversy since $5 million was allocated to its initial business case in 2017.

A second business case, known as the detailed business case (DBC), worth $11 million, was delivered in December 2018.

But on November 1, 2018, more than a month before it was due, then-prime minister Scott Morrison announced the government was awarding the Australian War Memorial $498.7 million.<<

Those numbers…$5 million, no $11 million, no, ScoMo hops in early with 100 times more before the DBC!?

Sounds like pork rolling in a barrel.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Ah, I see. Expensive business cases. But when I think about it, a bit low for refurbishments of the AWM.

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

The bean counters got hold of the ropes to steer the Public Service. By demanding Business Cases, they get to employ their mates in hot-shot accounting firms who charge high fees…

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Ah, I see. Expensive business cases. But when I think about it, a bit low for refurbishments of the AWM.

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

The bean counters got hold of the ropes to steer the Public Service. By demanding Business Cases, they get to employ their mates in hot-shot accounting firms who charge high fees…

Snouts … troughs.

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

I think the Business Case cost $5M and the Detailed Business Case cost $11M. The money for the works to be done was the $500M.

Ah, I see. Expensive business cases. But when I think about it, a bit low for refurbishments of the AWM.

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

have you been to the war memorial? – it’s essentially a museum.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

The bean counters got hold of the ropes to steer the Public Service. By demanding Business Cases, they get to employ their mates in hot-shot accounting firms who charge high fees…

Snouts … troughs.

I’m not sure I understand the sentiment here… surely it’s a good thing that the govt is doing business case modelling before approving spending 1/2 billion dollars of public money.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

The bean counters got hold of the ropes to steer the Public Service. By demanding Business Cases, they get to employ their mates in hot-shot accounting firms who charge high fees…

Snouts … troughs.

What came first? The snouts, or the troughs?

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Ah, I see. Expensive business cases. But when I think about it, a bit low for refurbishments of the AWM.

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

have you been to the war memorial? – it’s essentially a museum.

Thats why it’s not a business requiring a “business case”, detailed or otherwise.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

have you been to the war memorial? – it’s essentially a museum.

Thats why it’s not a business requiring a “business case”, detailed or otherwise.

I imagine there are established metrics for determining government funding of museums that are in this case referred to as the business case.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

have you been to the war memorial? – it’s essentially a museum.

Thats why it’s not a business requiring a “business case”, detailed or otherwise.

I imagine there are established metrics for determining government funding of museums that are in this case referred to as the business case.

Probably you are right, but I still don’t like the term being applied to a facility that is not there to make a profit.

Possibly I’m being a little pedantic.

Purely to prove DV right of course.

diddly-squat said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

The bean counters got hold of the ropes to steer the Public Service. By demanding Business Cases, they get to employ their mates in hot-shot accounting firms who charge high fees…

Snouts … troughs.

I’m not sure I understand the sentiment here… surely it’s a good thing that the govt is doing business case modelling before approving spending 1/2 billion dollars of public money.

But they approved the money before looking at the business case.

So it’s

“It is never appropriate to compare the Port Arthur tragedy with anything in any circumstance,” Mr Rockliff said.

incomparable¿

WTF is this, Godel’s double bind or something¿

Boola Bardup museum here cost about 400 million to set up. OTOH it costs $15 for basic entry and they often have exhibits that cost extra, and does venue hire and has cafes and stores so the concept of a business case makes more immediate sense than it does at the War Memorial.

Of course the BB has all kinds of interactive displays etc so the War Memorial would want to be pretty schmicko for 500 million.

Good news¡ All mainland Australian states are red this year¡

Territories too¡

dv said:

Boola Bardup museum here cost about 400 million to set up. OTOH it costs $15 for basic entry and they often have exhibits that cost extra, and does venue hire and has cafes and stores so the concept of a business case makes more immediate sense than it does at the War Memorial.

Of course the BB has all kinds of interactive displays etc so the War Memorial would want to be pretty schmicko for 500 million.

The AWM is huge. spent a week in Canberra and probably quite a few hours each day there.

The Rev Dodgson said:

diddly-squat said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Also it seems a little strange to me that a war memorial should be considered a “business” that needs a very expensive “Detailed Business Case” to determine if it should receive an extra half billion or two.

have you been to the war memorial? – it’s essentially a museum.

Thats why it’s not a business requiring a “business case”, detailed or otherwise.

then call it an ‘expenditure justification’ if it make you feel better… same thing

buffy said:

diddly-squat said:

roughbarked said:

Snouts … troughs.

I’m not sure I understand the sentiment here… surely it’s a good thing that the govt is doing business case modelling before approving spending 1/2 billion dollars of public money.

But they approved the money before looking at the business case.

well yes, but that was just ScoMo… I’d suggest the PMO had a draft of the business case and just jumped the gun because it aligned with a good photo op or distracted the media from something else for the day.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Boola Bardup museum here cost about 400 million to set up. OTOH it costs $15 for basic entry and they often have exhibits that cost extra, and does venue hire and has cafes and stores so the concept of a business case makes more immediate sense than it does at the War Memorial.

Of course the BB has all kinds of interactive displays etc so the War Memorial would want to be pretty schmicko for 500 million.

The AWM is huge. spent a week in Canberra and probably quite a few hours each day there.

I have to agree that it was one of the better museums I have seen.

The Americans know how to museum and memorial… they have some of the best standards for visitor experience while maintaining respect I have seen… but I think The AWM is equal to those.. while other Australian museums are meh.

Port Arthur has always been a historical site.. but their memorial for the shooting is excellent without being over bearing, in that it’s respectful without being the story of that site (the original story remains)…

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/11/bridget-archer-leads-criticism-after-peter-dutton-compares-pro-palestine-protest-to-port-arthur-massacre

Bridget Archer leads criticism after Peter Dutton compares pro-Palestine protest to Port Arthur massacre

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/11/bridget-archer-leads-criticism-after-peter-dutton-compares-pro-palestine-protest-to-port-arthur-massacre

Bridget Archer leads criticism after Peter Dutton compares pro-Palestine protest to Port Arthur massacre

it’s a shame Bridget isn’t corrupt enough to lead the party.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/11/bridget-archer-leads-criticism-after-peter-dutton-compares-pro-palestine-protest-to-port-arthur-massacre

Bridget Archer leads criticism after Peter Dutton compares pro-Palestine protest to Port Arthur massacre

it’s a shame Bridget isn’t corrupt enough to lead the party.

Maybe she should start her own party.

Let’s Get This Party Started

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/11/bridget-archer-leads-criticism-after-peter-dutton-compares-pro-palestine-protest-to-port-arthur-massacre

Bridget Archer leads criticism after Peter Dutton compares pro-Palestine protest to Port Arthur massacre

it’s a shame Bridget isn’t corrupt enough to lead the party.

Maybe she should start her own party.

when asked about running as an independent she said she wanted to be the cause of change in the liberal party.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

it’s a shame Bridget isn’t corrupt enough to lead the party.

Maybe she should start her own party.

when asked about running as an independent she said she wanted to be the cause of change in the liberal party.

She certainly seems to be ready to say what she thinks.

Bridget Archer

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Maybe she should start her own party.

when asked about running as an independent she said she wanted to be the cause of change in the liberal party.

She certainly seems to be ready to say what she thinks.

Bridget Archer

I suppose these things cost money but my archer is archer than my wallet.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

sarahs mum said:

when asked about running as an independent she said she wanted to be the cause of change in the liberal party.

She certainly seems to be ready to say what she thinks.

Bridget Archer

I suppose these things cost money but my archer is archer than my wallet.

Not much of a compliment.

Surely wallets have close to zero archiness.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

She certainly seems to be ready to say what she thinks.

Bridget Archer

I suppose these things cost money but my archer is archer than my wallet.

Not much of a compliment.

Surely wallets have close to zero archiness.

Archness

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

I suppose these things cost money but my archer is archer than my wallet.

Not much of a compliment.

Surely wallets have close to zero archiness.

Archness

OK your archness, just discovered my blunder there myself.

Just reading Media Watchdog and I see that Chris Uhlman has joined Sky News.

“The big (Australian) journalistic news of the week is that Chris Uhlmann – formerly of the ABC and Network 9 – has joined Sky News as a political commentator.

Uhlmann told The Australian’s Sophie Elsworth on Friday 12 April that “many have noted the network…encourages robust, opinionated debate”. He also referred to the diverse opinions that are on the station including during the 2023 referendum on The Voice – where presenters included Peta Credlin (a “No” supporter) and Chris Kenny (a “Yes” backer).

There was not such diversity of opinion at the ABC, where not one ABC presenter indicated that they supported “No”. Also, Sky News’ regular contributors include such left-of-centre types as Graham Richardson, Stephen Conroy, Linda Scott, Joe Hildebrand and Nicholas Reece. The ABC, on the other hand, is a Conservative Free Zone without one conservative presenter or regular contributor for any of its prominent news and current affairs programs.

The taxpayer funded public broadcaster sometimes wonders why it is losing viewers/listeners. The answer, in part, is that so many traditional conservative viewers/listeners have abandoned the ABC and paid a subscription to watch Sky News.”

Just had an election coverage where no one could get a word in edgewise past Eric Abetz and Insiders is still run by Sky News’s own Speersy.

Peak Warming Man said:

Just reading Media Watchdog and I see that Chris Uhlman has joined Sky News.

“The big (Australian) journalistic news of the week is that Chris Uhlmann – formerly of the ABC and Network 9 – has joined Sky News as a political commentator.

Uhlmann told The Australian’s Sophie Elsworth on Friday 12 April that “many have noted the network…encourages robust, opinionated debate”. He also referred to the diverse opinions that are on the station including during the 2023 referendum on The Voice – where presenters included Peta Credlin (a “No” supporter) and Chris Kenny (a “Yes” backer).

There was not such diversity of opinion at the ABC, where not one ABC presenter indicated that they supported “No”. Also, Sky News’ regular contributors include such left-of-centre types as Graham Richardson, Stephen Conroy, Linda Scott, Joe Hildebrand and Nicholas Reece. The ABC, on the other hand, is a Conservative Free Zone without one conservative presenter or regular contributor for any of its prominent news and current affairs programs.

The taxpayer funded public broadcaster sometimes wonders why it is losing viewers/listeners. The answer, in part, is that so many traditional conservative viewers/listeners have abandoned the ABC and paid a subscription to watch Sky News.”

Complete load of crap.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just reading Media Watchdog and I see that Chris Uhlman has joined Sky News.

“The big (Australian) journalistic news of the week is that Chris Uhlmann – formerly of the ABC and Network 9 – has joined Sky News as a political commentator.

Uhlmann told The Australian’s Sophie Elsworth on Friday 12 April that “many have noted the network…encourages robust, opinionated debate”. He also referred to the diverse opinions that are on the station including during the 2023 referendum on The Voice – where presenters included Peta Credlin (a “No” supporter) and Chris Kenny (a “Yes” backer).

There was not such diversity of opinion at the ABC, where not one ABC presenter indicated that they supported “No”. Also, Sky News’ regular contributors include such left-of-centre types as Graham Richardson, Stephen Conroy, Linda Scott, Joe Hildebrand and Nicholas Reece. The ABC, on the other hand, is a Conservative Free Zone without one conservative presenter or regular contributor for any of its prominent news and current affairs programs.

The taxpayer funded public broadcaster sometimes wonders why it is losing viewers/listeners. The answer, in part, is that so many traditional conservative viewers/listeners have abandoned the ABC and paid a subscription to watch Sky News.”

Complete load of crap.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2023/jun/16/abcs-quiet-revolution-behind-sackings-as-viewers-switch-off-tv-and-tune-into-tiktok

Link

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just reading Media Watchdog and I see that Chris Uhlman has joined Sky News.

“The big (Australian) journalistic news of the week is that Chris Uhlmann – formerly of the ABC and Network 9 – has joined Sky News as a political commentator.

Uhlmann told The Australian’s Sophie Elsworth on Friday 12 April that “many have noted the network…encourages robust, opinionated debate”. He also referred to the diverse opinions that are on the station including during the 2023 referendum on The Voice – where presenters included Peta Credlin (a “No” supporter) and Chris Kenny (a “Yes” backer).

There was not such diversity of opinion at the ABC, where not one ABC presenter indicated that they supported “No”. Also, Sky News’ regular contributors include such left-of-centre types as Graham Richardson, Stephen Conroy, Linda Scott, Joe Hildebrand and Nicholas Reece. The ABC, on the other hand, is a Conservative Free Zone without one conservative presenter or regular contributor for any of its prominent news and current affairs programs.

The taxpayer funded public broadcaster sometimes wonders why it is losing viewers/listeners. The answer, in part, is that so many traditional conservative viewers/listeners have abandoned the ABC and paid a subscription to watch Sky News.”

Complete load of crap.

From TATE:
Uhlmann unsuccessfully contested the ACT 1998 general election for the electorate of Molonglo with the Osborne Independent Group. The conservative group was named after Paul Osborne, who strongly opposed abortion care and advocated blocking both euthanasia legislation and any attempt to decriminalise abortion.[

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just reading Media Watchdog and I see that Chris Uhlman has joined Sky News.

“The big (Australian) journalistic news of the week is that Chris Uhlmann – formerly of the ABC and Network 9 – has joined Sky News as a political commentator.

Uhlmann told The Australian’s Sophie Elsworth on Friday 12 April that “many have noted the network…encourages robust, opinionated debate”. He also referred to the diverse opinions that are on the station including during the 2023 referendum on The Voice – where presenters included Peta Credlin (a “No” supporter) and Chris Kenny (a “Yes” backer).

There was not such diversity of opinion at the ABC, where not one ABC presenter indicated that they supported “No”. Also, Sky News’ regular contributors include such left-of-centre types as Graham Richardson, Stephen Conroy, Linda Scott, Joe Hildebrand and Nicholas Reece. The ABC, on the other hand, is a Conservative Free Zone without one conservative presenter or regular contributor for any of its prominent news and current affairs programs.

The taxpayer funded public broadcaster sometimes wonders why it is losing viewers/listeners. The answer, in part, is that so many traditional conservative viewers/listeners have abandoned the ABC and paid a subscription to watch Sky News.”

Complete load of crap.

Apparently it’s true he has joined the Sky News team.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Just reading Media Watchdog and I see that Chris Uhlman has joined Sky News.

“The big (Australian) journalistic news of the week is that Chris Uhlmann – formerly of the ABC and Network 9 – has joined Sky News as a political commentator.

Uhlmann told The Australian’s Sophie Elsworth on Friday 12 April that “many have noted the network…encourages robust, opinionated debate”. He also referred to the diverse opinions that are on the station including during the 2023 referendum on The Voice – where presenters included Peta Credlin (a “No” supporter) and Chris Kenny (a “Yes” backer).

There was not such diversity of opinion at the ABC, where not one ABC presenter indicated that they supported “No”. Also, Sky News’ regular contributors include such left-of-centre types as Graham Richardson, Stephen Conroy, Linda Scott, Joe Hildebrand and Nicholas Reece. The ABC, on the other hand, is a Conservative Free Zone without one conservative presenter or regular contributor for any of its prominent news and current affairs programs.

The taxpayer funded public broadcaster sometimes wonders why it is losing viewers/listeners. The answer, in part, is that so many traditional conservative viewers/listeners have abandoned the ABC and paid a subscription to watch Sky News.”

Complete load of crap.

Apparently it’s true he has joined the Sky News team.

OK, I can believe that.

Peak Warming Man said:

Just reading Media Watchdog and I see that Chris Uhlman has joined Sky News.

“The big (Australian) journalistic news of the week is that Chris Uhlmann – formerly of the ABC and Network 9 – has joined Sky News as a political commentator.

Uhlmann told The Australian’s Sophie Elsworth on Friday 12 April that “many have noted the network…encourages robust, opinionated debate”. He also referred to the diverse opinions that are on the station including during the 2023 referendum on The Voice – where presenters included Peta Credlin (a “No” supporter) and Chris Kenny (a “Yes” backer).

There was not such diversity of opinion at the ABC, where not one ABC presenter indicated that they supported “No”. Also, Sky News’ regular contributors include such left-of-centre types as Graham Richardson, Stephen Conroy, Linda Scott, Joe Hildebrand and Nicholas Reece. The ABC, on the other hand, is a Conservative Free Zone without one conservative presenter or regular contributor for any of its prominent news and current affairs programs.

The taxpayer funded public broadcaster sometimes wonders why it is losing viewers/listeners. The answer, in part, is that so many traditional conservative viewers/listeners have abandoned the ABC and paid a subscription to watch Sky News.”

Is the ABC banned from Youtube?

13 April 2024
What’s the rush?: It is the deal of the decade for Rockliff’s Liberals

Tasmanian Jacqui Lambie Network MHAs Miriam Beswick, Andrew Jenner and Rebekah Pentland at their first media appearance together since the March state election.

During the state’s election campaign, the Liberal party incessantly attacked Jacqui Lambie Network candidates for taking no policies to electors, for being Greens in disguise and a future factor in a “coalition of chaos”.

JLN candidates too attacked the government for an apparent 10 years of failures, particularly on budget management and within the state’s health system.

Now, both sides have conveniently set that aside – as if it resides purely in the theatre of a election campaign – and swiftly formed a coalition of their own to allow for the Liberals to continue to govern for the next four years.

Online commentary and letters to the editor show JLN voters believe they have been cheated in casting their vote for apparent change.
This is no doubt a result of the details of the deal, which as written make the JLN parliamentarians more mute than they would be as Liberal bankbenchers, and the lack of quid pro quo.

Both sides have argued that the deal provides stability and certainty for a workable parliament for the benefit of the Tasmanian community – and most importantly – avoids a situation where continued destabilising threats inevitably result in another early election.
But what does the JLN actually get in return for this and why does it matter?

What appears to have been offered to the JLN is either vague and broadly open to interpretation or already in train, while they have had any potential power or influence neutralised in return.

Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the JLN members had sold themselves out and ended up with nothing for it.
Nelson independent MLC Meg Webb accused the government of bad-faith negotiation.

“This agreement will see the JLN being the apologists for ongoing government secrecy, unaccountability and lack of integrity,” she said.
“The JLN MPs are now shackled in a way that will prevent them from delivering or strengthening transparency, accountability or integrity, or policy reforms, in a meaningful or timely manner across a range of matters important to the community.”

It’s hard to see where they might be wrong.

There was no urgency to sign the deal – the Premier could have assembled a skeleton cabinet for the Governor to commission.
This would have allowed the JLN members more time to seek advice, arrange briefings with government departments and continue thorough negotiations.

Under the deal, JLN members cannot abstain from a vote and prevents them from moving no-confidence and censure motions of their own – nor support those moved from opposition members and the crossbench.

They have to support the government on binding motions moved against it – binding motions which are intended to force the government to act in a particular way that might be against their will.

This can be effective to compel the government to produce information it wants kept private for its own reason, but which might be in the public interest.

If the JLN members wish to vote against the government on a particular matter, they need to give the government 24 hours notice of that fact which allows time for negotiation.

Not even Liberal members are bound to a condition like this.

The deal has been signed for the term of government with an agreement for it to be reviewed in the next 12 months.

Perhaps with a year of experience in parliament by the time this review happens, the three JLN members sharpen up their negotiation skills with a promise of stability, but with more freedom for them to uphold their so-called principles of transparency and integrity.

-examiner.

So, the JLN is now just an annexe of the Liberal party?

Because there’s a lot more fun and profit in being the tail on the governing dog (even if you must ask permission to wag) than in trying to see that the right and proper things are done?

captain_spalding said:

So, the JLN is now just an annexe of the Liberal party?

Because there’s a lot more fun and profit in being the tail on the governing dog (even if you must ask permission to wag) than in trying to see that the right and proper things are done?

Sad face

And from Crikey….

Dear reader, should you get a little sad that there is no more Monty Python, can I suggest you read the transcript of the press conference by the Tasmanian state branch of the Jacqui Lambie Network (JLN), published by the Tasmanian Times. It is one of the most genuinely funny things you will read in recent times.

Having won three seats, from voters allegedly sick of the existing parties, and with Liberal leader Jeremy Rockliff having no real capacity to form stable government without them, the Lambies made not a single concrete demand of a battered and beleaguered Liberal Party.

The written agreement not only commits the JLN to supporting confidence and supply, but notifying the government if it intends to vote against it on other bills. At the press conference on Monday, the group’s de facto state leader Andrew Jenner laid it out:

Journalist: Jeremy Rockliff wants confidence and supply. To give him that, what do you want in return?

Andrew Jenner: I just want to work with him at the moment. I mean, we’re just getting our feet under the desks. You know, there’ll be times when we will be asking for our own agendas and things that we feel that are important to the Tasmanian public. But we can’t give you that answers just yet.

Journalist: in return for what?

Jenner: No, in turn for nothing at the moment, apart from working with him.

Pathetic. But on message. The Lambies went to the election with no policies, and a faux naif pitch about not having access to government documents etc, as if they couldn’t read a newspaper or look at the state budget online.

Commentators are saying that Rockliff can’t believe his luck, you only get one JLN in your life etc etc, but it’s a bit more gnarly than that. Lambie relies on Liberal preferences to be elected to the Senate, as she did for her (now-expelled from the JLN) co-Senator Tammy Tyrrell.

Thus in the 2018 Tasmanian election, watching the JLN effort, I witnessed what was either the worst run campaign in modern history, or a deliberate throw of the election, for the then 25 seat state Parliament. The JLN’s failure to take the fifth seat in Braddon, its for the win, allowed the Liberals to take three seats there, and form bare majority government.

Had the JLN taken even one seat, it would have held the absolute balance of power, and could have made demands. But, as this week’s episode shows, its member don’t want to make demands. They don’t want to be in that position. “I was told in no uncertain terms that the purpose of this is to help Jacqui get elected in two years time,” James Redgrave, a Braddon JLN candidate told me, during this election campaign.

That result involves not pissing off the Libs so much that they divert their preferences. Lambie, or her candidates, get 30,000 primary votes in each campaign. It never changes. It’s practically the same people (except those over 45 in Burnie who have of course died of old age). Lambie and JLN always need that bump up.

The de facto leadership of Andrew Jenner dovetails well with that imperative. He’s a Conservative in the UK, a former mayor of Windsor and Maidenhead, to London’s west, and a magistrate with locking up powers of youf, as he emphasised. A shires Tory from Windsor and a lay magistrate: it doesn’t get more “shire Tory” than that.

People are jumping up and down screaming, with all the state’s problems, is this what they think the Lambie voters voted for? The melancholy conclusion has to be not necessarily not. Lambie’s steady vote seems to be overwhelmingly an affirmation of Lambie’s personal style, the garrulous assertiveness not backed up by too many facts at the fingertips.

Yet to say that’s all they do want is to renounce the full complexity of politics. Part of the political process is to move public sentiment from fatalism to demand, and that’s what a good populist party occupying the Lambie slot could have done — and then presented Rockliff with a set of six non-negotiable demands for extending confidence and supply.

Such an outfit would have demanded — leaving aside left and green demands — raised taxes on the gambling, salmon, mining and tourism industries, and an expanded deficit, to cross-fund a state-owned home builder, the reopening of community health clinics (if necessary with nurse-practitioners, rather than unobtainable GPs), the funding of preventative health measures, and campaign funding and disclosure laws.

Better health, housing and integrity are the things Tasmanians very much want, and the absence of a party in the swing position willing to demand it and push the envelope is a real missed opportunity, and a mild tragedy for Tasmania. Many voters may not know how to achieve these things, but that’s not their job. It’s the job of an insurgent party to be something more than Jeremy Rockliff fanboys.

That said, one has sympathy for anyone at state politics level, because they face a series of impossible demands. The truth is that Tasmania now suffers from both the neoliberalisation of the Australian Commonwealth and the widening inequality between centre and periphery, not least in expectations. Tasmania’s problems need, in the first instance, a federal solution, and in longer term, a more radical rethink about how life is lived.

The problems are circular and complicated. Tasmania’s health system is suffering from a lack of primary care doctors. Why? Decades ago, people went away to uni and came back to be GPs in their community. Less global mobility, more return. Now? Medical training is national and global portable intellectual capital. Tasmania’s charms are not sufficient to retain those who have it. Same now, with agency and specialised nursing.

This leaves Tasmania with permanent shortages, which means huge expenses on FIFO locums ($1,500-$2,500 a day for GPs, $4,000 for specialists), and an increased load on hospital emergency departments as primary care outlets. This is occurring in a creaky old monolithic health system, neoliberalised in all the wrong bits, while left inflexible in other parts, and unprepared for an era of increased demand for specialist service and, put bluntly, greater expectations of survival.

The housing system is similar. In the post-WWII years, there was no question that a peripheral place such as Tasmania would have to have substantial public housing, with substantial federal involvement. In the neoliberalisation of what was once a Commonwealth, that imperative falls away, and so there is a permanent housing gap.

Much of this could have been brought to a pitch by Lambie and her offsider at the federal level, with two vital Senate crossbench votes. In a way, it’s not fair to blame Lambie for it. Tasmania’s major party senators don’t make much of a ruckus as state’s representatives, and that probably includes the Greens to a degree.

But Lambie’s the one who campaigned as a “Tasmania firster”, and she has really never got these matters to the boil. She got the state-to-federal housing debt — $150 million — knocked off. But this standard accounting write-off could have been accompanied by a substantial emergency housing fund offered in addition, if Lambie had been willing to push the issue.

Ditto with health. Andrew Wilkie has called on the federal government to specifically fund the reconstruction of the Tasmanian health system, which essentially needs to rebuild itself while maintaining business as usual. Really, health should have passed from state to federal management decades ago.

Better health care should be demanded for Tasmanians as Australian citizens, and the politics of rights mobilised. That could have been the politicisation of Lambie’s “I’ve had a gutful” routine. But that would require its actual application of demand. In fact, Lambie’s angry routine tends to match the learnt fatalism of many voters. It serves as a release valve for an unchanging situation, not as a process for real change itself.

Well, maybe the Lambies will surprise us. But we are not filled with hope. On these core non-left/green issues, there’s no plan, no agenda, no sense of urgency. And on matters such as native logging, dirty salmon farming, and the gambling industry’s open slather, they look like being a conventional boosterish pro-business, anti-regulation group, who will allow Rockliff to go to the right, and support Eric Abetz when he takes over in 2025.

The question is whether this will buttress Lambie in Canberra, as Tammy Tyrrell drifts like a banshee through the corridors of exile. Or whether this near demented complacency — “we’re just getting our feet under the desk”, don’t make me quote the Silly Party sketch — and lack of assertion of actual politics at the state level will finally create some sort of demand on its Dear Leader, who has been selling sizzle with the promise of steak for a long time now; perpetual anger perpetually denying action.

Neophyte said:

And from Crikey….

Dear reader, should you get a little sad that there is no more Monty Python, can I suggest you read the transcript of the press conference by the Tasmanian state branch of the Jacqui Lambie Network (JLN), published by the Tasmanian Times. It is one of the most genuinely funny things you will read in recent times.

Having won three seats, from voters allegedly sick of the existing parties, and with Liberal leader Jeremy Rockliff having no real capacity to form stable government without them, the Lambies made not a single concrete demand of a battered and beleaguered Liberal Party.

The written agreement not only commits the JLN to supporting confidence and supply, but notifying the government if it intends to vote against it on other bills. At the press conference on Monday, the group’s de facto state leader Andrew Jenner laid it out:

Journalist: Jeremy Rockliff wants confidence and supply. To give him that, what do you want in return?

Andrew Jenner: I just want to work with him at the moment. I mean, we’re just getting our feet under the desks. You know, there’ll be times when we will be asking for our own agendas and things that we feel that are important to the Tasmanian public. But we can’t give you that answers just yet.

Journalist: in return for what?

Jenner: No, in turn for nothing at the moment, apart from working with him.

Pathetic. But on message. The Lambies went to the election with no policies, and a faux naif pitch about not having access to government documents etc, as if they couldn’t read a newspaper or look at the state budget online.

Commentators are saying that Rockliff can’t believe his luck, you only get one JLN in your life etc etc, but it’s a bit more gnarly than that. Lambie relies on Liberal preferences to be elected to the Senate, as she did for her (now-expelled from the JLN) co-Senator Tammy Tyrrell.

Thus in the 2018 Tasmanian election, watching the JLN effort, I witnessed what was either the worst run campaign in modern history, or a deliberate throw of the election, for the then 25 seat state Parliament. The JLN’s failure to take the fifth seat in Braddon, its for the win, allowed the Liberals to take three seats there, and form bare majority government.

Had the JLN taken even one seat, it would have held the absolute balance of power, and could have made demands. But, as this week’s episode shows, its member don’t want to make demands. They don’t want to be in that position. “I was told in no uncertain terms that the purpose of this is to help Jacqui get elected in two years time,” James Redgrave, a Braddon JLN candidate told me, during this election campaign.

That result involves not pissing off the Libs so much that they divert their preferences. Lambie, or her candidates, get 30,000 primary votes in each campaign. It never changes. It’s practically the same people (except those over 45 in Burnie who have of course died of old age). Lambie and JLN always need that bump up.

The de facto leadership of Andrew Jenner dovetails well with that imperative. He’s a Conservative in the UK, a former mayor of Windsor and Maidenhead, to London’s west, and a magistrate with locking up powers of youf, as he emphasised. A shires Tory from Windsor and a lay magistrate: it doesn’t get more “shire Tory” than that.

People are jumping up and down screaming, with all the state’s problems, is this what they think the Lambie voters voted for? The melancholy conclusion has to be not necessarily not. Lambie’s steady vote seems to be overwhelmingly an affirmation of Lambie’s personal style, the garrulous assertiveness not backed up by too many facts at the fingertips.

Yet to say that’s all they do want is to renounce the full complexity of politics. Part of the political process is to move public sentiment from fatalism to demand, and that’s what a good populist party occupying the Lambie slot could have done — and then presented Rockliff with a set of six non-negotiable demands for extending confidence and supply.

Such an outfit would have demanded — leaving aside left and green demands — raised taxes on the gambling, salmon, mining and tourism industries, and an expanded deficit, to cross-fund a state-owned home builder, the reopening of community health clinics (if necessary with nurse-practitioners, rather than unobtainable GPs), the funding of preventative health measures, and campaign funding and disclosure laws.

Better health, housing and integrity are the things Tasmanians very much want, and the absence of a party in the swing position willing to demand it and push the envelope is a real missed opportunity, and a mild tragedy for Tasmania. Many voters may not know how to achieve these things, but that’s not their job. It’s the job of an insurgent party to be something more than Jeremy Rockliff fanboys.

That said, one has sympathy for anyone at state politics level, because they face a series of impossible demands. The truth is that Tasmania now suffers from both the neoliberalisation of the Australian Commonwealth and the widening inequality between centre and periphery, not least in expectations. Tasmania’s problems need, in the first instance, a federal solution, and in longer term, a more radical rethink about how life is lived.

The problems are circular and complicated. Tasmania’s health system is suffering from a lack of primary care doctors. Why? Decades ago, people went away to uni and came back to be GPs in their community. Less global mobility, more return. Now? Medical training is national and global portable intellectual capital. Tasmania’s charms are not sufficient to retain those who have it. Same now, with agency and specialised nursing.

This leaves Tasmania with permanent shortages, which means huge expenses on FIFO locums ($1,500-$2,500 a day for GPs, $4,000 for specialists), and an increased load on hospital emergency departments as primary care outlets. This is occurring in a creaky old monolithic health system, neoliberalised in all the wrong bits, while left inflexible in other parts, and unprepared for an era of increased demand for specialist service and, put bluntly, greater expectations of survival.

The housing system is similar. In the post-WWII years, there was no question that a peripheral place such as Tasmania would have to have substantial public housing, with substantial federal involvement. In the neoliberalisation of what was once a Commonwealth, that imperative falls away, and so there is a permanent housing gap.

Much of this could have been brought to a pitch by Lambie and her offsider at the federal level, with two vital Senate crossbench votes. In a way, it’s not fair to blame Lambie for it. Tasmania’s major party senators don’t make much of a ruckus as state’s representatives, and that probably includes the Greens to a degree.

But Lambie’s the one who campaigned as a “Tasmania firster”, and she has really never got these matters to the boil. She got the state-to-federal housing debt — $150 million — knocked off. But this standard accounting write-off could have been accompanied by a substantial emergency housing fund offered in addition, if Lambie had been willing to push the issue.

Ditto with health. Andrew Wilkie has called on the federal government to specifically fund the reconstruction of the Tasmanian health system, which essentially needs to rebuild itself while maintaining business as usual. Really, health should have passed from state to federal management decades ago.

Better health care should be demanded for Tasmanians as Australian citizens, and the politics of rights mobilised. That could have been the politicisation of Lambie’s “I’ve had a gutful” routine. But that would require its actual application of demand. In fact, Lambie’s angry routine tends to match the learnt fatalism of many voters. It serves as a release valve for an unchanging situation, not as a process for real change itself.

Well, maybe the Lambies will surprise us. But we are not filled with hope. On these core non-left/green issues, there’s no plan, no agenda, no sense of urgency. And on matters such as native logging, dirty salmon farming, and the gambling industry’s open slather, they look like being a conventional boosterish pro-business, anti-regulation group, who will allow Rockliff to go to the right, and support Eric Abetz when he takes over in 2025.

The question is whether this will buttress Lambie in Canberra, as Tammy Tyrrell drifts like a banshee through the corridors of exile. Or whether this near demented complacency — “we’re just getting our feet under the desk”, don’t make me quote the Silly Party sketch — and lack of assertion of actual politics at the state level will finally create some sort of demand on its Dear Leader, who has been selling sizzle with the promise of steak for a long time now; perpetual anger perpetually denying action.

Even more sad face. What a shambles

A balance-of-power independent MP who intends to provide confidence and supply to Tasmania’s Liberal minority government says negotiations for a formal deal are ongoing.

Premier Jeremy Rockliff on Friday said independent MP and former Labor leader David O’Byrne had provided a written assurance of supply and confidence votes in parliament.

The Liberals won 14 of 35 lower-house seats at the March 23 election, four short of the number required to govern in their own right.

Three first-term Jacqui Lambie Network MPs earlier this week inked a deal to provide votes of confidence and supply in parliament in return for several measures.

Mr O’Byrne said he was still in discussions with Mr Rockliff about the formation of the next government and ensuring Tasmanians have a functioning parliament.

“The public statement made by the premier (on Friday) more or less echoes the public statements that … (fellow independent) Kristie Johnston and I have made regarding supply and confidence matters without qualification,” he said in a statement.

“Discussions are still ongoing and no arrangements have been finalised.

“I intend to provide supply and confidence to the premier and this government, in the absence of any other party putting their hand up and attempting to form a government.”

https://www.aap.com.au/news/tasmanias-liberals-formally-secure-minority-support/

6% swing to Liberals in Scott Morrison old seat of Cook.

Peak Warming Man said:

6% swing to Liberals in Scott Morrison old seat of Cook.

God be praised.

Peak Warming Man said:

6% swing to Liberals in Scott Morrison old seat of Cook.

The shire. Enough said.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

6% swing to Liberals in Scott Morrison old seat of Cook.

The shire. Enough said.

Should be noted that the ALP sat this one out…

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

6% swing to Liberals in Scott Morrison old seat of Cook.

The shire. Enough said.

Should be noted that the ALP sat this one out…

soooo the LNP had a swing against itself?

swingers

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Peak Warming Man said:

6% swing to Liberals in Scott Morrison old seat of Cook.

The shire. Enough said.

Should be noted that the ALP sat this one out…

https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-29807-112.htm

Libs are + 6.55, but Greens are + 6.97.

In fact everybody with a candidate is up.

Bogsnorkler said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The shire. Enough said.

Should be noted that the ALP sat this one out…

soooo the LNP had a swing against itself?

Well the absence of the ALP does tend to raise the primary vote for other parties. Greens vote is up 7%.
It’s a safe seat and the Libs have retained.

And the Cronnula Sharks beat the South Sydney rabbitos.

Peak Warming Man said:

And the Cronnula Sharks beat the South Sydney rabbitos.

Poor Albo.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The shire. Enough said.

Should be noted that the ALP sat this one out…

https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-29807-112.htm

Libs are + 6.55, but Greens are + 6.97.

In fact everybody with a candidate is up.

Well the absence of the ALP does tend to raise the primary vote for other parties. Greens vote is up 7%.
It’s a safe seat and the Libs have retained.

So these days renormalisation is a type of swing as well, this is genius.

New government elected – but will Tasmania get stability?

Governor Barbara Baker swore in Tasmania’s new cabinet earlier this week.
As bizarre as it may sound, the instability in the new parliament may stem from within the major parties rather than the cross bench.

Ever since the chaotic end to the Bethune Coalition in the 1969-72 government, Tasmanians have been raised on a diet of turmoil instigated by hung parliaments and the cross bench.

It destroyed Labor’s Accord with the Greens in 1989-92, the Liberal’s informal deal with the Greens in 1996-98 and the rebellion sparked by rebel Liberals John Tucker and Lara Alexander last year.

The only exception was the coalition between Labor and Greens MPs in 2010-14 when Labor invited Greens MPs Nick McKim and Cassy O’Connor into Cabinet and it worked well.

Now the hotbed of discontent and instability resides within the major parties and if anything, the new cross bench looms as a stabilising force.

In the Liberal government the old enmity between the wets (moderates) and the dries (right wing) is resurfacing.

Up to five or six Liberal MHAs are the dries, or conservatives, featuring Eric Abetz, Guy Barnett and Michael Ferguson.

From my reading of them I would add to the faction the prospect of Jacquie Petrusma, Felix Ellis and Simon Behrakis.

They are potentially matched against those ideologically aligned with Premier Jeremy Rockliff who has shown himself to be a wet or a moderate, judging by his stand on the Voice to Parliament and gender issues.

And of course you have divisions within division; the old rivalry and tensions between Abetz and Barnett from their senate days.
On the Labor side, Labor leader-elect Dean Winter is from the right, and almost surrounded by colleagues from the left.

The left-wing faction dominates internal Labor politics and always has done.

They intervened to overthrow Bec White but that is no guarantee they will stick by Dean Winter.

In fact he could end up a seat-warmer until the left decides on a bankable leader who is capable of leading Labor back into government.
In Opposition the tensions within the Labor caucus will bubble below the surface, threatening to surface at any time.

In a coalition Labor government these tensions would fade away for the sake of a unified Labor minority government.

So I think Labor ought to do a deal with the Greens and put two in cabinet.

Vica Bayley, current Greens leader Rosalie Woodfruff and new Green Helen Burnett each have administrative experience.

As a conservationist Vica Bayley has learned to work with industry for years to achieve compromise.

Hard left Greens may not have liked it, but he got results.

Labor pledged no deals with the Greens, but that was Bec White, not Dean Winter.

The challenges facing Jeremy Rockliff are many of the menacing kind, and after more than 20 years in state politics including 10 in cabinet and the stress of being a Minister, upheaval within the government could force him to quit and go back to his farm on the North-West.

The dries in his new government would lament his passing, but quickly pick up the pieces and decide who from their ranks will replace Rockliff.

I would tip Ferguson, but oh my God, you can’t rule out Eric.

You can never rule out Eric.

You can never afford to take your eyes off him either. He is a one-man wolf pack.

So on the Liberal side, it also may well be the unpalatable option to consider offering cabinet posts to the Jacqui Lambie Network if the agreement they have signed falls apart.

The Government could offer the speakership to either Independent David O’Byrne or Independent Kristie Johnston.

O’Byrne and Johnston are warriors, but the ample stature of the speaker’s robes and the ample suite of offices for the speaker may well suit their agenda.

Especially if the role is accompanied by government concessions.

Now I know these scenarios are fanciful, but you never know what politicians are capable of when it comes to power and influence.
Only one MP can become premier, but many others can become fixers and powerful vassals of influence.

Read the JLN agreement with Rockliff.

Unless either major party can succeed with a coalition, I think we are headed for a period of instability stemming from the major parties.
The crossbench by definition will be committed to making the new parliament work.

They would note an electorate tired of politicking and starved of results.

So I think the two major party leaders would jump at the chance of leading a stable government with a coalition.

They should ask former premiers David Bartlett and Lara Giddings how their coalition panned out.

Yes, the electorate reacted with a Liberal majority government in 2014, but I think times have changed, and a new chamber with a crossbench of 11 MPs is ample proof of that.

If a coalition can’t or won’t happen then I can predict now that the new parliament will become unworkable and won’t last two years.

examiner

sarahs mum said:

New government elected – but will Tasmania get stability?

You can never rule out Eric.

You can never afford to take your eyes off him either. He is a one-man wolf pack.

examiner

A very slimy wolf at that. Ewww

According to Wikipedia, his nickname is J-Rock.

dv said:

According to Wikipedia, his nickname is J-Rock.

Who?

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

So who got stabbed and what is the video saying about them¿

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

I’m feeling okay about him being dead.

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

I’m feeling okay about him being dead.

I do not wish to read or watch anything about it, beyond the headlines.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

I’m feeling okay about him being dead.

I do not wish to read or watch anything about it, beyond the headlines.

+1

Cauchi is a name which can be encountered frequently in Queensland, especially in SE Qld and Capricornia.

It’s a large clan, with many branches, some of which are quite prominent in business circles and in the racing industry.

The name originates in southern Europe/the Mediterranean area. While there may well be some Jewish people with that name, they would be few and far between, indeed.

SCIENCE said:

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

Now having scanned the text, I have no idea why d-s posted it.

So who got stabbed and what is the video saying about them¿

what happened at the Westfield Bondi
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Junction Mall in Sydney Australia and
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how will it be used to create
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disinformation that could further divide
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Australia not this will probably be a
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substack exclusive so thank you to all
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my substack subscribers who give me $5
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able to do work like this uh also note
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that um if by some miracle of God I can
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recut this for YouTube uh the raw
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footage will be available on my substack
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you can get that below for free so
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here’s what we know as of Saturday
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morning April 13th eastern time here in
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Maryland in the US we know that a man
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with a knife entered the Westfield bondy
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Junction mall and started attacking
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people with a knife as far as we know
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there’s at least five casualties and
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maybe up to 20 injured in some cases
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Brave citizens tried to stop the
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attacker eventually police engaged and
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serviced the attacker ending the attack
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I’m not sure of the timeline just yet uh
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but this video really isn’t about the
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attack it’s about the disinformation
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response that is either started or is
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coming you know uh I was invited to
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speak at the uh 2024 disaster and
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Emergency Management conference in
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Australia this coming I think July and
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my topic is uh how disinformation will
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affect future emergencies I’m presenting
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alongside of a woman from defense
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Australia it’s a team effort and one of
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my topics is how the People’s Republic
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of China will use disinformation during
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emergencies in order to reduce faith in
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the a that the Australian people have in
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their government China has already done
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this they did it after the wildfires in
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Hawaii where they seed lies about space
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lasers and how FEMA or the Federal
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Emergency Management agency which is the
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United States disaster management agency
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uh how FEMA would take your property if
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you signed anything and shout out to the
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amazing Carolyn or buo who does this
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stuff way better than me and wrote a
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great paper about it that you can find
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below now we’re already seeing this kind
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of disinformation pop up in the
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Westfield Bondi Junction Mall incident
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we need to be on the lookout for
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disinformation in this case specifically
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disinformation from China That’s
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designed to deceive and divide the
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Australian people bit about the
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Westfield Bondi Junction mall it’s a
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shopping complex located at 500 Oxford
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Street bondue Junction in uh New South
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Wales there’s two complexes a North
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complex and a south complex the total of
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seven floors there’s a Skywalk between
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the first second and third floors one
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Twitter account claimed that the mall
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was in a Jewish area next to an Israeli
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restaurant that might actually be true
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based on the number of synagogues in the
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area I also had a few Australians
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telling me that it’s considered a Jewish
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area there’s also a restaurant called
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Kutz in the mall it’s on the first floor
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in the south complex however it appears
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that the attacker was serviced in front
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of Bondi alterations which is is on the
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fifth floor of the north complex now
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that’s about 500 ft to the north and up
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four flights of stairs or four
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escalators it’s not impossible to make
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that jog um if a bad guy were intent on
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doing bad things to juice you’re more
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likely to find them targeting a place
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called Kutz than a sausage sigle at
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Bunnings Warehouse and to all my
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American viewers Bunnings is a hardware
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store Like Home Dep or Lowe’s if you’re
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a nonprofit you can apply uh to barbecue
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sausage there to raise money so one of
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the components of disinformation here is
3:35
truthiness this was a term that was
3:37
coined by comedian Steven colar in 2005
3:40
on his colar report show and the term
3:42
truthiness basically means what you feel
3:45
to be true rather than what the facts
3:47
will actually support disinformation
3:50
agents will lead you down to guided
3:53
conclusions by adding elements of
3:55
truthiness to their lies if you want to
3:59
think that this an attack addressed at
4:01
the Jewish Community they will mention
4:04
that oh this was in a Jewish area and
4:05
there was an Israeli restaurant in the
4:07
mall but the presence of those keywords
4:10
lead you to that guided conclusion and
4:12
then you can feel smart about yourself
4:13
that that you put two and two together
4:16
and this is why disinformation is so
4:18
dangerous you can think that you thought
4:20
of the answer when really you were
4:21
guided to that conclusion by the
4:23
disinformation actor so we’re already
4:27
seeing Sentinel accounts ask what the
4:29
they thought of the attack stuff like
4:32
this is designed to get the general
4:33
public opinion to see what
4:35
disinformation narratives will stick
4:37
Microsoft wrot a great paper about this
4:40
basically these Chinese Sentinel
4:41
accounts ask questions and then from
4:44
that they can kind of take the
4:45
temperature of what the American public
4:46
believes for example only under the
4:48
Biden Administration with the US
4:50
military lose an $80 million F35 jet in
4:52
the air what do you think about this
4:55
this is designed to see what people
4:56
think so disinformation actors can
4:58
generate content that will be later
5:00
Amplified by other accounts and that
5:03
Microsoft article is available below if
5:05
you want to read it another
5:07
disinformation actor said that several
5:09
babies were attacked this was done to
5:11
increase amplification and get an
5:13
emotional response out of the reader so
5:15
that the content is shared you’re also
5:17
starting to see items like this implying
5:19
from the footage that immigrants or
5:21
Muslims or both were responsible for the
5:24
attack when as of right now there’s
5:25
really no evidence either way now this
5:27
can also work the other way if the guy
5:30
wasn’t a Muslim or an IM just a random
5:32
dude who wasn’t the brightest light bulb
5:34
in the chandelier we get this so before
5:36
the usual islamophobia takes Center
5:38
Stage the concern is why a criminal
5:39
known to the police is allowed to roam
5:41
freely soft policing and little
5:43
consequences a problem so now other
5:45
people can spin this as Australian
5:48
police being soft on crime and the New
5:50
South Wales Police Commissioner
5:53
said um he’s known to law enforcement um
5:57
but he’s we’re waiting to identify for
6:00
so in the coming days I expect
6:02
disinformation actors from The People’s
6:04
Republic of China to spin this in two
6:06
ways and they’re going to do it
6:08
simultaneously the first way is that
6:10
this was a targeted attack on Jews and
6:12
Muslims were to blame and if the
6:14
attacker is not a Muslim but a mentally
6:16
ill person it’s a conspiracy by the
6:19
Australian government to suppress the
6:20
truth and it really was a targeted
6:22
attack they just don’t want you to know
6:24
the truth simultaneously they will also
6:27
push the narrative that it was a simple
6:29
CRI attack Australians are islamophobic
6:32
and the police are incompetent so the
6:34
goal of the People’s Republic of China
6:36
here is to dist stabilize the government
6:38
of Australia don’t fall for it stay
6:41
strong guys if a tweet or a Tik Tock
6:44
post makes you feel emotional don’t
6:47
share it I’ll keep an eye on this as uh
6:50
it develops oh and uh if you want to
6:52
support the channel go to Bunker
6:54
branding get one of my uh Liv laugh
6:56
launch hoodies for high Mars it’s really
6:59
nice on a cold morning now thank you for
7:02
watching for real hey everyone new Ryan
7:04
MC Beth t-shirts and hoodies from bunker
7:06
branding are available I’m going to get
7:08
the high Mar shirt what are you going to
7:10
get Donald the Patriot shirt cuz I’m a
7:12
patriot it’s the best shirt the biggest
7:14
shirt make 14 Tango great again what are
7:17
you going to get Barack let me be clear
7:19
I’m going to get a drone sweet drone
7:21
shirt what about you George I’m going to
7:23
get a try that missile shirt cuz they’re
7:26
weapons of mass destruction oh I’m going
7:28
to get a land my m marker shirt because
7:30
my presidency always blew up in my face
7:33
I’ll tell you what I’m going to get
7:35
Ronald Reagan but your debt I came back
7:37
to tell you that no matter our politics
7:39
we’re all Americans and we should buy
7:41
Ryan’s hoodies and t-shirts because they
7:43
pay for the stock footage and licenses
7:45
that allow him to make awesome content
7:47
so come on down to Bunker branding and
7:49
buy a rhyme Beth t-shirt or I’ll start
7:51
the bombing in five minutes

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

This is not the Sydney knifeman. That’s right out.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

I’m feeling okay about him being dead.

I do not wish to read or watch anything about it, beyond the headlines.

The video is not about the incident per se, it’s about how the incident itself (and others like it) are used by foreign adversaries to spread disinformation on social media platforms.

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

I’m feeling okay about him being dead.

I do not wish to read or watch anything about it, beyond the headlines.

The video is not about the incident per se, it’s about how the incident itself (and others like it) are used by foreign adversaries to spread disinformation on social media platforms.

I watched the first couple of minutes. I don’t see how this can be twisted for foreign propaganda purposes.

party_pants said:

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

I do not wish to read or watch anything about it, beyond the headlines.

The video is not about the incident per se, it’s about how the incident itself (and others like it) are used by foreign adversaries to spread disinformation on social media platforms.

I watched the first couple of minutes. I don’t see how this can be twisted for foreign propaganda purposes.

That, my guy, is exactly why incidents like that are targeted.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

SCIENCE said:

diddly-squat said:

Just a note for people before they share stories relating to the Sydney stabbing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pklg1Pq0Rg8

So who got stabbed and what is the video saying about them¿

I’m feeling okay about him being dead.

I do not wish to read or watch anything about it, beyond the headlines.

+1

Now having scanned the text, I have no idea why d-s posted it.

[SCIENCE cutting below]

how will it be used to create disinformation that could further divide

Australia not this will probably be a substack exclusive so thank you to all my substack subscribers who give me $5 every month it’s because of you that I’m able to do work like this uh also note that um if by some miracle of God I canrecut this for YouTube uh the raw footage will be available on my substack you can get that below for free so

morning April 13th eastern time here in Maryland in the US we know that a man with a knife entered the Westfield bondy Junction mall and started attacking

Brave citizens tried to stop the attacker eventually police engaged and

but this video really isn’t about the attack it’s about the disinformation response that is either started or is coming you know uh I was invited to

Australia it’s a team effort and one of my topics is how the People’s Republic of China will use disinformation during emergencies in order to reduce faith in the a that the Australian people have in their government China has already done this they did it after the wildfires in Hawaii where they seed lies about space lasers and how FEMA or the Federal Emergency Management agency which is the

below now we’re already seeing this kind of disinformation pop up in the Westfield Bondi Junction Mall incident we need to be on the lookout for disinformation in this case specifically disinformation from China That’s

push the narrative that it was a simple CRI attack Australians are islamophobic and the police are incompetent so the goal of the People’s Republic of China here is to dist stabilize the government

it develops oh and uh if you want to support the channel go to Bunker branding get one of my uh Liv laugh launch hoodies for high Mars it’s really nice on a cold morning now thank you for watching for real hey everyone new Ryan MC Beth t-shirts and hoodies from bunker branding are available I’m going to get the high Mar shirt what are you going to get Donald the Patriot shirt cuz I’m a patriot it’s the best shirt the biggest shirt make 14 Tango great again what are you going to get Barack let me be clear I’m going to get a drone sweet drone shirt what about you George I’m going to get a try that missile shirt cuz they’re weapons of mass destruction oh I’m going to get a land my m marker shirt because my presidency always blew up in my face I’ll tell you what I’m going to get Ronald Reagan but your debt I came back to tell you that no matter our politics we’re all Americans and we should buy Ryan’s hoodies and t-shirts because they pay for the stock footage and licenses that allow him to make awesome content so come on down to Bunker branding and buy a rhyme Beth t-shirt or I’ll start the bombing in five minutes

So don’t worry if you do not wish to read or watch anything about it, beyond the headlines, this video that they linked doesn’t contribute much more to that, looks like by its own admission it’s an opportunistic marketing clickbait to sell subscriptions and branding and hoodies and shirts¡

Oh and just to warm the cockles of American beating hearts they’re taking the opportunity to get a quick and dirty DARVO in, it’s about the disinformation response that is either started or is coming from CHINA it’s CHINA it’s always CHINA CHINA CHINA but we’ll be honest and say we’ve seen a whole heap of chatter about this event and not a single piece that even resembles disinformation or even politics, until this video that was linked…

So if it’s about “the disinformation response that is either started or is coming” then we’re going to assume they’re projecting and it’s a self-referential study.

Disclaimer: you’re right, we haven’t been out looking for disinformation for CHINA, so maybe that’s why we haven’t found any relating to this yet¡

But yeah we condemn HAMAS and LIKUD and any disaster opportunism like the above to twist a terrible event into political point scoring and profit among whatever else they’re trying to push.

captain_spalding said:

Cauchi is a name which can be encountered frequently in Queensland, especially in SE Qld and Capricornia.

It’s a large clan, with many branches, some of which are quite prominent in business circles and in the racing industry.

The name originates in southern Europe/the Mediterranean area. While there may well be some Jewish people with that name, they would be few and far between, indeed.

His royalism and religious zeal made him contentious, which caused difficulties with his colleagues. He felt that he was mistreated for his beliefs, but his opponents felt he intentionally provoked people by berating them over religious matters or by defending the Jesuits after they had been suppressed. Niels Henrik Abel called him a “bigoted Catholic” and added he was “mad and there is nothing that can be done about him”, but at the same time praised him as a mathematician. Cauchy’s views were widely unpopular among mathematicians and when Guglielmo Libri Carucci dalla Sommaja was made chair in mathematics before him he, and many others, felt his views were the cause. When Libri was accused of stealing books he was replaced by Joseph Liouville rather than Cauchy, which caused a rift between Liouville and Cauchy. Another dispute with political overtones concerned Jean-Marie Constant Duhamel and a claim on inelastic shocks. Cauchy was later shown, by Jean-Victor Poncelet, to be wrong.

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: you’re right, we haven’t been out looking for disinformation for CHINA, so maybe that’s why we haven’t found any relating to this yet¡

But yeah we condemn HAMAS and LIKUD and any disaster opportunism like the above to twist a terrible event into political point scoring and profit among whatever else they’re trying to push.

Yee haw¡ Bring it on¡ CHINA¡

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has named the sixth person killed in Saturday’s knife attack at Bondi Junction. Yixuan Cheng was a Chinese national studying here. Her family is currently on their way to Australia. New South Wales police will release an image of her later today. Mr Albanese told Triple M radio in an interview this morning.

Serve Them Communists Right

That Is, Right Wing Violence ¡

Oh Wait That’s Disinformation Too

Right¿

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

Disclaimer: you’re right, we haven’t been out looking for disinformation for CHINA, so maybe that’s why we haven’t found any relating to this yet¡

But yeah we condemn HAMAS and LIKUD and any disaster opportunism like the above to twist a terrible event into political point scoring and profit among whatever else they’re trying to push.

Yee haw¡ Bring it on¡ CHINA¡

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has named the sixth person killed in Saturday’s knife attack at Bondi Junction. Yixuan Cheng was a Chinese national studying here. Her family is currently on their way to Australia. New South Wales police will release an image of her later today. Mr Albanese told Triple M radio in an interview this morning.

Serve Them Communists Right

That Is, Right Wing Violence ¡

Oh Wait That’s Disinformation Too

Right¿

Anyway see we KNEW it it was always a FALSE FLAG OPERATION this Yixuan Cheng agent was probably like some ARCHDUKE or something it’s OBVIOUS it’s just another Night of the Long Knife they’re trying to START something something like World War 3 you watch¡¡¡¡¡

Anyway what did Overlord Dutton have to say about this little shiv party, was it worse than protests against genocide of Palestinians and better than a little Port Arthur firework festival, or what¿

SCIENCE said:

Anyway what did Overlord Dutton have to say about this little shiv party, was it worse than protests against genocide of Palestinians and better than a little Port Arthur firework festival, or what¿

Is it something for public spectacle
I find a lot of this type of news coverage distasteful, overkill combined with political agendas.
It’s horrible, let people grieve and the police do what they have to do

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyway what did Overlord Dutton have to say about this little shiv party, was it worse than protests against genocide of Palestinians and better than a little Port Arthur firework festival, or what¿

Is it something for public spectacle
I find a lot of this type of news coverage distasteful, overkill combined with political agendas.
It’s horrible, let people grieve and the police do what they have to do

Anyway, firetruck CHINA¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/how-misinformation-spread-after-bondi-junction-stabbing/103708210

dv said:

We Blame The Media Giant Bankrolls

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

We Blame The Media Giant Bankrolls

How much money does 7 even have?

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

We Blame The Media Giant Bankrolls

How much money does 7 even have?

tree fiddy in non-sequential dollar coins.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

We Blame The Media Giant Bankrolls

How much money does 7 even have?

Can probably get a lot of leverage with $14.7 billion in worth.

Still think it Is kind of fucked up that a single juror can engineer a mistrial any time they want.

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Seven is really on a roll eh

“A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.”

Seven is really on a roll eh

dv said:

“A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.”

Seven is really on a roll eh

20-year-old Benjamin Cohen is not happy.

The parents of Joel Cauchi have spoken about their son. Absolutely gut-wrenching, such strong people.

Michele Cauchi

Now It’s QLD Becoming New South CHINA ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/queensland-wanding-laws-bondi-junction-attack/103709942

The law change is backed by Queensland police. Former police commissioner Katarina Carroll asked cabinet for more search powers shortly after Ms White was killed.

We Knew Their Disinformation Was All About This ¡

“Mr Lehrmann, who is studying law at Monash University, did not make any comment when leaving court on Monday.

““My advice to Bruce, given he’s studying law, would be to take up another course at university,” Mr Quill said.”

OCDC said:

“Mr Lehrmann, who is studying law at Monash University, did not make any comment when leaving court on Monday.

““My advice to Bruce, given he’s studying law, would be to take up another course at university,” Mr Quill said.”

Dearie me… Monash will let any old person in.

runs away

Witty Rejoinder said:

OCDC said:

“Mr Lehrmann, who is studying law at Monash University, did not make any comment when leaving court on Monday.

““My advice to Bruce, given he’s studying law, would be to take up another course at university,” Mr Quill said.”

Dearie me… Monash will let any old person in.

runs away

IKR!

OCDC said:

“Mr Lehrmann, who is studying law at Monash University, did not make any comment when leaving court on Monday.

““My advice to Bruce, given he’s studying law, would be to take up another course at university,” Mr Quill said.”

Why though he’d be perfect for a SCOTUS position¡

dv said:

“A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.”

Seven is really on a roll eh

I had read that it was Matt Shirvington who first said his name… the mediagnosis piss me off more than ever these days… it’s like the work experience kids get all the copy while the editors sit in their office eating sushi.

dv said:

Still think it Is kind of fucked up that a single juror can engineer a mistrial any time they want.

I mean, there are fines to do so… but yes.

Arts said:

dv said:

“A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.”

Seven is really on a roll eh

I had read that it was Matt Shirvington who first said his name… the mediagnosis piss me off more than ever these days… it’s like the work experience kids get all the copy while the editors sit in their office eating sushi.

I’ve seen footage of Matt Shirvington.

Must be rough to be a 7WEST shareholder sitting back and watching these clowns piss away their money. They haven’t paid a dividend in 8 years.

Peak Warming Man said:

Arts said:

dv said:

“A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.”

Seven is really on a roll eh

I had read that it was Matt Shirvington who first said his name… the mediagnosis piss me off more than ever these days… it’s like the work experience kids get all the copy while the editors sit in their office eating sushi.

I’ve seen footage of Matt Shirvington.

utilisez le système international d’unités ou mourez, foutreurs des meres!

‘The Defo Awards’ for Services to Defamation Fuck-Ups

When you’ve been accused of doing something wrong in public life, the response usually is to go to ground and keep your mouth shut.

In the Defo Awards we celebrate those brave men, and other men, who took a different route. The men who, against all advice, against all logic, against all public relations theory, boldly set out to sue their accusers and monumentally fuck it up. There have been some stunning performances. Here are our winners …

Best Lead Actor in a Defamation Fuck-Up

Winner: Bruce Lehrmann

Judge’s Comments: When it comes to overestimating one’s own abilities, Bruce Lehrmann is very much in a class of his own.

In this masterful performance, Lehrmann fortuitously avoids a criminal rape conviction due to a mistrial, but then finds a way to be named as a rapist in an Australian court of law anyway.

He attempts to bring down one television network (Channel 10) but then accidentally manages to bring down another one (Channel 7) instead.

He sues to restore his reputation, and in the process admits to lying to police, lying to his boss and, worst of all, singing “I’ve Had The Time Of My Life” on a karaoke machine in a North Sydney apartment.

Incredibly, he does all of this while facing a separate criminal trial for rape in Toowoomba. And studying law.

It is hard to think of a more complete performance.

The Hague Award for Services to Future War Crimes Hearings

Winner: Ben Roberts-Smith

Judge’s Comments: Over the past two years Ben has worked tirelessly and selflessly to provide evidence, facilitate witness statements, and bring new material to light, which can now be used in support of a War Crimes trial against him. What a stunning performance!

The “Best Fuck Up by a Supporting Actor Trying to Impress His Daddy ”

Winner: Lachlan Murdoch

Judge’s Comments: In this heartwarming performance, we see a 52 year-old little boy try to impress his daddy by taking on the might of a small online Australian news website, only to fuck the whole thing up. What a wonderful performance.

Best Victory Speech During a Defamation Defeat

Winner: Christian Porter

Judge’s Comments: Most people who have been forced to withdraw a defamation suit against the national broadcaster, after weeks of claiming he had been defamed, would see it as a defeat. But not Porter. In a breath-taking performance, he subverts expectations, claims victory, and labels the ABC’s decision not to pay him damages or remove the articles about him, a ‘humiliating backdown’. Superb.

The ‘My Character Witness Once Wore a KKK Costume’ Award for Services to Satire

Winner: Ben Roberts-Smith

Judge’s Comments: In another spectacular performance, Roberts-Smith showed that he is not afraid to buck convention. While most litigants would put forward a respectable, upstanding citizen to be their character witness, BRS chose a guy who once went to a military fancy dress party dressed in a white hood. The line “I knew one other person was coming in blackface, so I thought it would be funny ,” is one of the most memorable in all of defamation law.

The “Free Speech Is Sacred Until Someone Teases Me” Award

Winner: Peter Dutton

Runner Up: Lachlan Murdoch

Judge’s Comments: Dutton spent years perfecting his hard-man, free-speech warrior character – once noting that criticisms were like ‘water off a duck’s back’. But in an impressive display of his range, he was able to quickly pivot to a thin-skinned, hypersensitive litigant, when he was told someone wrote a five-word mean tweet about him. Utterly convincing.

Lifetime Achievement Award for Services to Defamation Fuck-Ups

Winner: Kerry Stokes

Judge’s Comments: With so many great lead performances in recent years, it’s easy to forget the people behind the scenes making these monumental fuck-ups possible.

For years now, Kerry Stokes has worked tirelessly to uncover the very worst people in society and then fund their defamation disasters (or at the very least, put them on a TV show).

By backing first a war criminal and then a rapist, he has turned being a poor judge of character into something of an artform.

Arts said:

dv said:

“A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.”

Seven is really on a roll eh

I had read that it was Matt Shirvington who first said his name… the mediagnosis piss me off more than ever these days… it’s like the work experience kids get all the copy while the editors sit in their office eating sushi.

So who is going to give this guy a few million $ backing so he can sue the responsible organisations for defamation?

dv said:

Must be rough to be a 7WEST shareholder sitting back and watching these clowns piss away their money. They haven’t paid a dividend in 8 years.

Go woke go broke…
Ha, go RWNJ, go broke….

Another small spark of light in our political landscape-
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/david-pocock-on-accountability-mission-department-defence/103708336

Peak Warming Man said:

Arts said:

dv said:

“A young Sydney man mistakenly identified as the Bondi Junction killer has hit out at those who “mindlessly” propagated the misinformation, including the Seven Network, saying it was distressing that so many were willing to spread the unverified claims.”

Seven is really on a roll eh

I had read that it was Matt Shirvington who first said his name… the mediagnosis piss me off more than ever these days… it’s like the work experience kids get all the copy while the editors sit in their office eating sushi.

I’ve seen footage of Matt Shirvington.

LOLOLOL

:)

OCDC said:

‘The Defo Awards’ for Services to Defamation Fuck-Ups

When you’ve been accused of doing something wrong in public life, the response usually is to go to ground and keep your mouth shut.

In the Defo Awards we celebrate those brave men, and other men, who took a different route. The men who, against all advice, against all logic, against all public relations theory, boldly set out to sue their accusers and monumentally fuck it up. There have been some stunning performances. Here are our winners …

Best Lead Actor in a Defamation Fuck-Up

Winner: Bruce Lehrmann

Judge’s Comments: When it comes to overestimating one’s own abilities, Bruce Lehrmann is very much in a class of his own.

In this masterful performance, Lehrmann fortuitously avoids a criminal rape conviction due to a mistrial, but then finds a way to be named as a rapist in an Australian court of law anyway.

He attempts to bring down one television network (Channel 10) but then accidentally manages to bring down another one (Channel 7) instead.

He sues to restore his reputation, and in the process admits to lying to police, lying to his boss and, worst of all, singing “I’ve Had The Time Of My Life” on a karaoke machine in a North Sydney apartment.

Incredibly, he does all of this while facing a separate criminal trial for rape in Toowoomba. And studying law.

It is hard to think of a more complete performance.

The Hague Award for Services to Future War Crimes Hearings

Winner: Ben Roberts-Smith

Judge’s Comments: Over the past two years Ben has worked tirelessly and selflessly to provide evidence, facilitate witness statements, and bring new material to light, which can now be used in support of a War Crimes trial against him. What a stunning performance!

The “Best Fuck Up by a Supporting Actor Trying to Impress His Daddy ”

Winner: Lachlan Murdoch

Judge’s Comments: In this heartwarming performance, we see a 52 year-old little boy try to impress his daddy by taking on the might of a small online Australian news website, only to fuck the whole thing up. What a wonderful performance.

Best Victory Speech During a Defamation Defeat

Winner: Christian Porter

Judge’s Comments: Most people who have been forced to withdraw a defamation suit against the national broadcaster, after weeks of claiming he had been defamed, would see it as a defeat. But not Porter. In a breath-taking performance, he subverts expectations, claims victory, and labels the ABC’s decision not to pay him damages or remove the articles about him, a ‘humiliating backdown’. Superb.

The ‘My Character Witness Once Wore a KKK Costume’ Award for Services to Satire

Winner: Ben Roberts-Smith

Judge’s Comments: In another spectacular performance, Roberts-Smith showed that he is not afraid to buck convention. While most litigants would put forward a respectable, upstanding citizen to be their character witness, BRS chose a guy who once went to a military fancy dress party dressed in a white hood. The line “I knew one other person was coming in blackface, so I thought it would be funny ,” is one of the most memorable in all of defamation law.

The “Free Speech Is Sacred Until Someone Teases Me” Award

Winner: Peter Dutton

Runner Up: Lachlan Murdoch

Judge’s Comments: Dutton spent years perfecting his hard-man, free-speech warrior character – once noting that criticisms were like ‘water off a duck’s back’. But in an impressive display of his range, he was able to quickly pivot to a thin-skinned, hypersensitive litigant, when he was told someone wrote a five-word mean tweet about him. Utterly convincing.

Lifetime Achievement Award for Services to Defamation Fuck-Ups

Winner: Kerry Stokes

Judge’s Comments: With so many great lead performances in recent years, it’s easy to forget the people behind the scenes making these monumental fuck-ups possible.

For years now, Kerry Stokes has worked tirelessly to uncover the very worst people in society and then fund their defamation disasters (or at the very least, put them on a TV show).

By backing first a war criminal and then a rapist, he has turned being a poor judge of character into something of an artform.

LOLOL.

Good writing by The Shovel.

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Arts said:

I had read that it was Matt Shirvington who first said his name… the mediagnosis piss me off more than ever these days… it’s like the work experience kids get all the copy while the editors sit in their office eating sushi.

I’ve seen footage of Matt Shirvington.

LOLOLOL

:)

Footage is appropriate. He made his name picking up & putting down his feet.

Arts said:

… while the editors sit in their office eating sushi.

Bargearse.

Fuck CHINA and their fomenting right wing violence¡

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/christian-leader-stabbed-during-mass-in-wakeley-20240415-p5fk25.html

Arts said:

dv said:

Still think it Is kind of fucked up that a single juror can engineer a mistrial any time they want.

I mean, there are fines to do so… but yes.

So as long as you can find Big Media to pay your engineering fee it’s all good¡

SCIENCE said:

Now It’s QLD Becoming New South CHINA ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/queensland-wanding-laws-bondi-junction-attack/103709942

The law change is backed by Queensland police. Former police commissioner Katarina Carroll asked cabinet for more search powers shortly after Ms White was killed.

We Knew Their Disinformation Was All About This ¡

Firetruck New South CHINA ¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/long-range-drone-fighting-illegal-fishing-great-barrier-reef/103685532

Potentially a fine or jail time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/woolworths-ceo-threatened-with-contempt-by-senate-committee/103728244

Michael V said:

Potentially a fine or jail time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/woolworths-ceo-threatened-with-contempt-by-senate-committee/103728244

Maybe a donation ort wo to some political parties will make it all go away.

Michael V said:

Potentially a fine or jail time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/woolworths-ceo-threatened-with-contempt-by-senate-committee/103728244

On the face of it, that’s approaching Trumpist levels of weirdness.

I guess there must be implications behind that question that I’m missing.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Potentially a fine or jail time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/woolworths-ceo-threatened-with-contempt-by-senate-committee/103728244

On the face of it, that’s approaching Trumpist levels of weirdness.

I guess there must be implications behind that question that I’m missing.

I mean wouldn’t the appropriate response be:

Well d’uh, of course return on equity is an important consideration for a public company.?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Potentially a fine or jail time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/woolworths-ceo-threatened-with-contempt-by-senate-committee/103728244

On the face of it, that’s approaching Trumpist levels of weirdness.

I guess there must be implications behind that question that I’m missing.

Seems to be a bit of an ongoing problem, people who are so highly privileged that they just don’t understand what is going on when they are called to account.

Obviously this is a bit unfortunate now but I reckon a skilled tattoo artist could turn it into Rolf Harris

Breaking news.

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey The Only Bystander Who Stood Up To Knife Murderer Until Police Arrived With Gun

Politicians Rush To Call Him Australian

dv said:

Obviously this is a bit unfortunate now but I reckon a skilled tattoo artist could turn it into Rolf Harris

LOL

SCIENCE said:

libertarian anarchic capitalism

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/little-blue-lake-mount-gambier-sinkhole-human-faeces/103729160

Mr Lehrmann took Network Ten and journalist Lisa Wilkinson (right) to court over their 2019 interview with Brittany Higgins.(ABC News: Brendan Esposito)

Wow the hardships of this case have really changed this journalist.

SCIENCE said:

Mr Lehrmann took Network Ten and journalist Lisa Wilkinson (right) to court over their 2019 interview with Brittany Higgins.(ABC News: Brendan Esposito)

Wow the hardships of this case have really changed this journalist.

We can thank Bruce for that, and for digging his hole deeper and for exonerating Brittany.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

journalist Lisa Wilkinson (right) (ABC News: Brendan Esposito)

Wow the hardships of this case have really changed this journalist.

We can thank Bruce for that, and for digging his hole deeper and for exonerating Brittany.

Sorry we meant this, fixed.

Missed most of the item, but it seems the potato thinks Linda Reynolds is owed an apology for BH’s rape.

So the stabbing is referred to as a terrorist attack, but the violent assault on the paramedics and police isn’t?

Okay, I’m confused. Which and what and who.
Way past my bedtime.

kii said:

Okay, I’m confused. Which and what and who.
Way past my bedtime.

And nearly mine.

kii said:

So the stabbing is referred to as a terrorist attack, but the violent assault on the paramedics and police isn’t?

Yeah well you know they have a right to defend themselves from aid and healthcare workers.

OCDC said:

Missed most of the item, but it seems the potato thinks Linda Reynolds is owed an apology for BH’s rape.

Well, the potato, right…

kii said:

Okay, I’m confused. Which and what and who.
Way past my bedtime.

a terrorist attack is one that is political or ideology motivated. Bondi was just a mentally disturb man. the church one appears to be ideology based though I haven’t read the reports.

Michael V said:

OCDC said:

Missed most of the item, but it seems the potato thinks Linda Reynolds is owed an apology for BH’s rape.

Well, the potato, right…

Seriously … what the fuck.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dutton-says-reynolds-vindicated-suggests-higgins-should-apologise-20240416-p5fk8z.html

ABC News:

‘Costs in the millions’

‘Bruce Lehrmann probably will be bankrupt’

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

it’s nice to start the day with a good news story.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Costs in the millions’

‘Bruce Lehrmann probably will be bankrupt’

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

it’s nice to start the day with a good news story.

Yes, yes it is.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Costs in the millions’

‘Bruce Lehrmann probably will be bankrupt’

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

it’s nice to start the day with a good news story.

Mr. Soon-To-Be-Living-The-Rest-of-His-Short-Ass-Life-In-Agonizing-Pain Rapist must Pay!

Well.. it’s the vibe

Nice piece about the Lehrmann case from Annabel Crabb

Link

How soon before there’s a confidence vote for Rockliff?

dv said:

How soon before there’s a confidence vote for Rockliff?

No idea. But we can wait and see.

Ian said:

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

‘Costs in the millions’

‘Bruce Lehrmann probably will be bankrupt’

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

it’s nice to start the day with a good news story.

Mr. Soon-To-Be-Living-The-Rest-of-His-Short-Ass-Life-In-Agonizing-Pain Rapist must Pay!

Well.. it’s the vibe

I assume Stokes and 7 will be ponying up the dough

In short: Frenchman Damien Guerot has been praised his “extraordinary bravery” after holding off the Bondi Junction attacker with a bollard.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was welcome to stay in Australia for “as long as he wants”.
What’s next: Mr Guerot’s lawyer said he will be granted permanent residency by the federal government.

OCDC said:

In short: Frenchman Damien Guerot has been praised his “extraordinary bravery” after holding off the Bondi Junction attacker with a bollard.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was welcome to stay in Australia for “as long as he wants”.
What’s next: Mr Guerot’s lawyer said he will be granted permanent residency by the federal government.

This is really weird, IMO.

kii said:

OCDC said:

In short: Frenchman Damien Guerot has been praised his “extraordinary bravery” after holding off the Bondi Junction attacker with a bollard.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was welcome to stay in Australia for “as long as he wants”.
What’s next: Mr Guerot’s lawyer said he will be granted permanent residency by the federal government.

This is really weird, IMO.

It’s a bit more than the keys to the city! I understand that the Immigration Minister has the powers to grant or deny permanent residency without going through the hoops others need to do. For example it happens with athletes all the time so they can compete for Australia in Olympics

Brindabellas said:

kii said:

OCDC said:

In short: Frenchman Damien Guerot has been praised his “extraordinary bravery” after holding off the Bondi Junction attacker with a bollard.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was welcome to stay in Australia for “as long as he wants”.
What’s next: Mr Guerot’s lawyer said he will be granted permanent residency by the federal government.

This is really weird, IMO.

It’s a bit more than the keys to the city! I understand that the Immigration Minister has the powers to grant or deny permanent residency without going through the hoops others need to do. For example it happens with athletes all the time so they can compete for Australia in Olympics

Makes me feel icky. He’s forever connected to this horrific event through a visa?
Fuck.

kii said:

Brindabellas said:

kii said:

This is really weird, IMO.

It’s a bit more than the keys to the city! I understand that the Immigration Minister has the powers to grant or deny permanent residency without going through the hoops others need to do. For example it happens with athletes all the time so they can compete for Australia in Olympics

Makes me feel icky. He’s forever connected to this horrific event through a visa?
Fuck.

Give him a bravery medal.

kii said:

Brindabellas said:

kii said:

This is really weird, IMO.

It’s a bit more than the keys to the city! I understand that the Immigration Minister has the powers to grant or deny permanent residency without going through the hoops others need to do. For example it happens with athletes all the time so they can compete for Australia in Olympics

Makes me feel icky. He’s forever connected to this horrific event through a visa?
Fuck.

Look it as something good coming out of something bad. Like how the gun laws were changed after pt Arthur

Brindabellas said:

kii said:

OCDC said:

SCIENCE said:

Breaking news.

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey The Only Bystander Who Stood Up To Knife Murderer Until Police Arrived With Gun

Politicians Rush To Call Him Australian

In short: Frenchman Damien Guerot has been praised his “extraordinary bravery” after holding off the Bondi Junction attacker with a bollard.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was welcome to stay in Australia for “as long as he wants”.
What’s next: Mr Guerot’s lawyer said he will be granted permanent residency by the federal government.

This is really weird, IMO.

It’s a bit more than the keys to the city! I understand that the Immigration Minister has the powers to grant or deny permanent residency without going through the hoops others need to do. For example it happens with athletes all the time so they can compete for Australia in Olympics

Ah well remember when they sent the pharmacist off to offshore detention along with all the CHINA travellers they wanted to racially segregate quarantine¿

Brindabellas said:

kii said:

Brindabellas said:

It’s a bit more than the keys to the city! I understand that the Immigration Minister has the powers to grant or deny permanent residency without going through the hoops others need to do. For example it happens with athletes all the time so they can compete for Australia in Olympics

Makes me feel icky. He’s forever connected to this horrific event through a visa?
Fuck.

Look it as something good coming out of something bad. Like how the gun laws were changed after pt Arthur

I can’t see it that way. Ever.
Improve mental health care and safety nets for people who need it.
Change the toxic perception that people have of mental illness.
Change the misogynistic culture in Australia.
Be aware of little things like “jokes” about men who are seen as weak.
That’s why I called out the jokes about Eric Abetz’s name.
Huge changes have to be made, and it has to done by all of us.

The situation with the mentally ill guy has hit me really hard. He was the same age as my son who is, AFAIK, unmedicated and has schizophrenia.

Brindabellas said:

kii said:

Brindabellas said:

SCIENCE said:

Cymek said:

SCIENCE said:

Anyway what did Overlord Dutton have to say about this little shiv party, was it worse than protests against genocide of Palestinians and better than a little Port Arthur firework festival, or what¿

Is it something for public spectacle
I find a lot of this type of news coverage distasteful, overkill combined with political agendas.
It’s horrible, let people grieve and the police do what they have to do

Anyway, firetruck CHINA¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-15/how-misinformation-spread-after-bondi-junction-stabbing/103708210

It’s a bit more than the keys to the city! I understand that the Immigration Minister has the powers to grant or deny permanent residency without going through the hoops others need to do. For example it happens with athletes all the time so they can compete for Australia in Olympics

Makes me feel icky. He’s forever connected to this horrific event through a visa?
Fuck.

Look it as something good coming out of something bad. Like how the gun laws were changed after pt Arthur

Remember When It Was Unacceptable To Compare Anything To Port Arthur¿