A new month. A new thread.
What’s not to like?
AussieDJ said:
A new month. A new thread.What’s not to like?
Politics is cancelled this month
Arts said:
AussieDJ said:
A new month. A new thread.What’s not to like?
Politics is cancelled this month
seems Albo found that out on the weekend end
Cancellous Culture
Anyway since killing women is all the rage in the media these days we got better news.
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-unexpected-drop-in-intimate-partner-violence
“unexpected”
kii said:
Is Annabel Crabb one of Ita’s chums?
I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
buffy said:
kii said:
Is Annabel Crabb one of Ita’s chums?
I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
That I believe was from the protest meeting where they were not liking the monologue by someone named Sarah.
buffy said:
kii said:
Is Annabel Crabb one of Ita’s chums?
I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
The government can only do so much and its men who need to do the hard lifting.
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
AussieDJ said:
A new month. A new thread.What’s not to like?
Politics is cancelled this month
seems Albo found that out on the weekend end
well, from what I have read from people who say they were there that Sarah was being a jerk and that Albo was there in good faith.
JudgeMental said:
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
Politics is cancelled this month
seems Albo found that out on the weekend end
well, from what I have read from people who say they were there that Sarah was being a jerk and that Albo was there in good faith.
How do we know that someone didn’t actually tell him that it wouldn’t be possible for him to make a speech ¿
buffy said:
kii said:
Is Annabel Crabb one of Ita’s chums?
I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
kii put a link or image up, and I add a twitter thread link.
buffy said:
kii said:
Is Annabel Crabb one of Ita’s chums?
I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
Yes, but is Annabel one of Ita’s chums?
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:
kii said:
Is Annabel Crabb one of Ita’s chums?
I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
kii put a link or image up, and I add a twitter thread link.
From my years of being involved with the feminist movement in Australia I’m seeing Sarah the organiser lady’s behaviour as on point for an attention seeking prima dona.
I don’t trust her.
Hence my question about Annabel Crabb.
kii said:
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
kii put a link or image up, and I add a twitter thread link.
From my years of being involved with the feminist movement in Australia I’m seeing Sarah the organiser lady’s behaviour as on point for an attention seeking prima dona.
I don’t trust her.
Hence my question about Annabel Crabb.
Well consider if Peter Dutton did exactly the same thing, the outrage from the usual suspects here would be deafening
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
JudgeMental said:kii put a link or image up, and I add a twitter thread link.
From my years of being involved with the feminist movement in Australia I’m seeing Sarah the organiser lady’s behaviour as on point for an attention seeking prima dona.
I don’t trust her.
Hence my question about Annabel Crabb.
Well consider if Peter Dutton did exactly the same thing, the outrage from the usual suspects here would be deafening
Are you for real?
kii said:
JudgeMental said:
buffy said:I’ll read that in a minute, but there would seem to be a view amongst some of the attendees that the woman who did the talking (from What Were You Wearing) was disrepectful to the MPs. Someone put a link up here yesterday? Or did I read it on the ABC? I thing from what I remember of what I read yesterday, some of the attendees left because of the way things were handled by the organizer lady.
kii put a link or image up, and I add a twitter thread link.
From my years of being involved with the feminist movement in Australia I’m seeing Sarah the organiser lady’s behaviour as on point for an attention seeking prima dona.
I don’t trust her.
Hence my question about Annabel Crabb.
I’ve always found AC to be pretty level headed and measured in her reporting; as to her relationship with IB, well I’m not sure.. I mean I’m sure they are on a first name basis should they bump into each other in the street. IB no longer works at the ABC so I doubt they are catching up in the office.
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
JudgeMental said:kii put a link or image up, and I add a twitter thread link.
From my years of being involved with the feminist movement in Australia I’m seeing Sarah the organiser lady’s behaviour as on point for an attention seeking prima dona.
I don’t trust her.
Hence my question about Annabel Crabb.
Well consider if Peter Dutton did exactly the same thing, the outrage from the usual suspects here would be deafening
did what? Albo was set up by all accounts. Mr Potato couldn’t even be bothered going. And isn’t this a topic that needs bipartisan support?
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
kii said:
From my years of being involved with the feminist movement in Australia I’m seeing Sarah the organiser lady’s behaviour as on point for an attention seeking prima dona.
I don’t trust her.
Hence my question about Annabel Crabb.
Well consider if Peter Dutton did exactly the same thing, the outrage from the usual suspects here would be deafening
did what? Albo was set up by all accounts. Mr Potato couldn’t even be bothered going. And isn’t this a topic that needs bipartisan support?
So he should sue them for defamation¿
Police State Australia Is Now CHINA
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-01/ai-bushfire-detection-fire-watchtower-tasmania/103784400
Bruce Lehrmann has indicated he will appeal a Federal Court finding that on the balance of probabilities he raped Brittany Higgins.
roughbarked said:
Bruce Lehrmann has indicated he will appeal a Federal Court finding that on the balance of probabilities he raped Brittany Higgins.
Sure why not. Money’s no object.
Tate has always struck me as a drug dealer/ similar. I think you’d be desperate if you were hitching your psychological band wagon to him.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Bruce Lehrmann has indicated he will appeal a Federal Court finding that on the balance of probabilities he raped Brittany Higgins.
Sure why not. Money’s no object.
Gorn, Bruce, stick yer head in the lion’s mouth again, gorn.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Bruce Lehrmann has indicated he will appeal a Federal Court finding that on the balance of probabilities he raped Brittany Higgins.
Sure why not. Money’s no object.
Gorn, Bruce, stick yer head in the lion’s mouth again, gorn.
I dare ya.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
Bruce Lehrmann has indicated he will appeal a Federal Court finding that on the balance of probabilities he raped Brittany Higgins.
Sure why not. Money’s no object.
Bruce- “oh, I also left my gloves in the lion’s den…”
She’s starting to look more like an angry chipp shop owner every day..
If only someone had warned
A former chief of Australia’s defence force says the federal government has failed to understand the risk climate change poses to the nation’s security, warning the threat was forgotten in this year’s defence strategy.
us 40 years ago ¡
We will not be bullied by this. If he’s feeling particularly possessive about the letter X, it may be more productive speaking to Elon Musk.
Good, spend $492000000 on building
it up, spend $368000000000 on ways of blowing it up¡
Worth¡
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
Feelgood story turns bad as Sky humiliates Indigenous teenager who caught $1m barramundi
How did they get the information about a 16 year old’s records?
that’s a good question.
They have contacts
trawled through newspapers or court proceedings?
Peter Stefanovic should be hung drawn and quartered along with Rupert..
Tell you what though we agree with all of yous that if surveillance capitalism and predatory media do this kind of thing, it’s all good¡
Welcome to Super LegCo Day! It’s not unusual to have three Legislative Council seats up for grabs on the same day but for the first time since 1909 voters will fill three vacancies. Three of the eight billion people on earth are known to have been alive when voters in Macquarie, Russell and one of the three then rotating Hobart seats filled vacancies caused by retirements that year, in all cases replacing an independent with another independent. In this case, we have vacancies caused by one retirement and two MLCs running for the lower house and winning (in one case a mid-term by-election).
https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/05/legislative-council-2024-elwick-hobart.html?m=1
dv said:
Welcome to Super LegCo Day! It’s not unusual to have three Legislative Council seats up for grabs on the same day but for the first time since 1909 voters will fill three vacancies. Three of the eight billion people on earth are known to have been alive when voters in Macquarie, Russell and one of the three then rotating Hobart seats filled vacancies caused by retirements that year, in all cases replacing an independent with another independent. In this case, we have vacancies caused by one retirement and two MLCs running for the lower house and winning (in one case a mid-term by-election).https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/05/legislative-council-2024-elwick-hobart.html?m=1
It appears the Greens have won their first ever seat in the Legislative Council of Tasmania.
This means they have 6 reps in parliament.
dv said:
dv said:
Welcome to Super LegCo Day! It’s not unusual to have three Legislative Council seats up for grabs on the same day but for the first time since 1909 voters will fill three vacancies. Three of the eight billion people on earth are known to have been alive when voters in Macquarie, Russell and one of the three then rotating Hobart seats filled vacancies caused by retirements that year, in all cases replacing an independent with another independent. In this case, we have vacancies caused by one retirement and two MLCs running for the lower house and winning (in one case a mid-term by-election).https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/05/legislative-council-2024-elwick-hobart.html?m=1
It appears the Greens have won their first ever seat in the Legislative Council of Tasmania.
This means they have 6 reps in parliament.
So it was worthy for Cassie to resign.
dv said:
So JLN were setting them up for the fail all along, nice bait.
sarahs mum said:
dv said:
dv said:
Welcome to Super LegCo Day! It’s not unusual to have three Legislative Council seats up for grabs on the same day but for the first time since 1909 voters will fill three vacancies. Three of the eight billion people on earth are known to have been alive when voters in Macquarie, Russell and one of the three then rotating Hobart seats filled vacancies caused by retirements that year, in all cases replacing an independent with another independent. In this case, we have vacancies caused by one retirement and two MLCs running for the lower house and winning (in one case a mid-term by-election).https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/2024/05/legislative-council-2024-elwick-hobart.html?m=1
It appears the Greens have won their first ever seat in the Legislative Council of Tasmania.
This means they have 6 reps in parliament.
So it was worthy for Cassie to resign.
No counting on Sunday in Townsville.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
dv said:It appears the Greens have won their first ever seat in the Legislative Council of Tasmania.
This means they have 6 reps in parliament.
So it was worthy for Cassie to resign.
No counting on Sunday in Townsville.
Autocorrect … on Sunday in Tasmania
Honest Government Ad | How to rig our laws (EPBC Act)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FLqYpD6eYw
One for DV…
I was at an event last night (the 100 year anniversary of the Adelaide Uni Waite Campus)… was a black tie thing with a whole bunch of political and industry elites in attendance – side note I met Maggie Beer and I think I love her.
I was at the bar talking with the a winemaker when one of my wife’s colleagues came up to say hello. He had a woman with him and she introduced herself as Susan Close. I said I was pleased to meet her and and we chatted for a while then I asked her (and these were my exact words) “so, what do you do for a crust?” to which she replied, “I’m the Deputy Premier of South Australia”…
most embarrassment…
diddly-squat said:
One for DV…
I was at an event last night (the 100 year anniversary of the Adelaide Uni Waite Campus)… was a black tie thing with a whole bunch of political and industry elites in attendance – side note I met Maggie Beer and I think I love her.
I was at the bar talking with the a winemaker when one of my wife’s colleagues came up to say hello. He had a woman with him and she introduced herself as Susan Close. I said I was pleased to meet her and and we chatted for a while then I asked her (and these were my exact words) “so, what do you do for a crust?” to which she replied, “I’m the Deputy Premier of South Australia”…
most embarrassment…
that sounds like the sort of thing that happens to me.
sarahs mum said:
diddly-squat said:One for DV…
I was at an event last night (the 100 year anniversary of the Adelaide Uni Waite Campus)… was a black tie thing with a whole bunch of political and industry elites in attendance – side note I met Maggie Beer and I think I love her.
I was at the bar talking with the a winemaker when one of my wife’s colleagues came up to say hello. He had a woman with him and she introduced herself as Susan Close. I said I was pleased to meet her and and we chatted for a while then I asked her (and these were my exact words) “so, what do you do for a crust?” to which she replied, “I’m the Deputy Premier of South Australia”…
most embarrassment…
that sounds like the sort of thing that happens to me.
She was lovely… highlight of the night was opening the bidding on three magnums of Rockford Basket Press, a 2004, 2005 and 2006 vintage, knowing all too well that I’d be outbid multiple times over…
diddly-squat said:
One for DV…
I was at an event last night (the 100 year anniversary of the Adelaide Uni Waite Campus)… was a black tie thing with a whole bunch of political and industry elites in attendance – side note I met Maggie Beer and I think I love her.
I was at the bar talking with the a winemaker when one of my wife’s colleagues came up to say hello. He had a woman with him and she introduced herself as Susan Close. I said I was pleased to meet her and and we chatted for a while then I asked her (and these were my exact words) “so, what do you do for a crust?” to which she replied, “I’m the Deputy Premier of South Australia”…
most embarrassment…
As an honourary SAlien for a few years now you should have known that I reckon…
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:One for DV…
I was at an event last night (the 100 year anniversary of the Adelaide Uni Waite Campus)… was a black tie thing with a whole bunch of political and industry elites in attendance – side note I met Maggie Beer and I think I love her.
I was at the bar talking with the a winemaker when one of my wife’s colleagues came up to say hello. He had a woman with him and she introduced herself as Susan Close. I said I was pleased to meet her and and we chatted for a while then I asked her (and these were my exact words) “so, what do you do for a crust?” to which she replied, “I’m the Deputy Premier of South Australia”…
most embarrassment…
As an honourary SAlien for a few years now you should have known that I reckon…
pretty sure the missus would have died of embarrassment if she were there as she and the DP worked on the legislation for the the new uni
diddly-squat said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
diddly-squat said:One for DV…
I was at an event last night (the 100 year anniversary of the Adelaide Uni Waite Campus)… was a black tie thing with a whole bunch of political and industry elites in attendance – side note I met Maggie Beer and I think I love her.
I was at the bar talking with the a winemaker when one of my wife’s colleagues came up to say hello. He had a woman with him and she introduced herself as Susan Close. I said I was pleased to meet her and and we chatted for a while then I asked her (and these were my exact words) “so, what do you do for a crust?” to which she replied, “I’m the Deputy Premier of South Australia”…
most embarrassment…
As an honourary SAlien for a few years now you should have known that I reckon…
pretty sure the missus would have died of embarrassment if she were there as she and the DP worked on the legislation for the the new uni
Did your wife ever mention her?
Michael V said:
Dear-oh-dear.
Dean Winter keen to make his mark as new leader.
I’ve got a head full of the organization of the Amanitas into Sections and Subsections and Stirpes (that was a new word for me…seems it just means groups). I’ll need to write up my notes later. But I think I’ll just let it settle in my brain a bit first. Might go and read something completely different and siesta.
buffy said:
I’ve got a head full of the organization of the Amanitas into Sections and Subsections and Stirpes (that was a new word for me…seems it just means groups). I’ll need to write up my notes later. But I think I’ll just let it settle in my brain a bit first. Might go and read something completely different and siesta.
Whoops, sorry.
buffy said:
buffy said:
I’ve got a head full of the organization of the Amanitas into Sections and Subsections and Stirpes (that was a new word for me…seems it just means groups). I’ll need to write up my notes later. But I think I’ll just let it settle in my brain a bit first. Might go and read something completely different and siesta.
Whoops, sorry.
I should think so.
Dutton fears for lives of Australian defence personnel after Chinese military confrontation
….
Hmm but isn’t he one of those who continually makes confrontational comments about China?
roughbarked said:
Dutton fears for lives of Australian defence personnel after Chinese military confrontation
….Hmm but isn’t he one of those who continually makes confrontational comments about China?
in fairness here.. China are military aggressors in the south pacific.. they are the whole reason we need nuclear subs and further increased naval surface capacity.
Fuck CHINA and all their boats patrolling off USSA shores¡
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Dutton fears for lives of Australian defence personnel after Chinese military confrontation
….Hmm but isn’t he one of those who continually makes confrontational comments about China?
in fairness here.. China are military aggressors in the south pacific.. they are the whole reason we need nuclear subs and further increased naval surface capacity.
The Chinese must all atremble at the prospect of an Aussie nuclear powered sub or two trundling along in the mid 2040s sometime.
Ian said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Dutton fears for lives of Australian defence personnel after Chinese military confrontation
….Hmm but isn’t he one of those who continually makes confrontational comments about China?
in fairness here.. China are military aggressors in the south pacific.. they are the whole reason we need nuclear subs and further increased naval surface capacity.
The Chinese must all atremble at the prospect of an Aussie nuclear powered sub or two trundling along in the mid 2040s sometime.
They wouldn’t be all that happy about it.
Australian nuclear subs would change the outlook in more ways than one.
Conventional submarines are limited in range and endurance, and require a friendly base reasonably nearby and supporting infrastructure. You can make estimations of their intent, range, and effectiveness by observing where they’re based, or from where they’re permitted to operate and are supported in their operations.
Nuclear submarines can leave a home port e.g. Sydney, NSW or Stirling, WA, and just disappear for months at a time. They could pop up of the coast of Africa, or of India, or Mexico, or China. They’re another wild card put in play in the game. It makes things just that bit more difficult for the Chinese strategists.
Another factor is that if Australia operates its own nuclear submarines, then any objections to hosting nuclear submarines of other nations e.g. US, UK, France, India, would tend to be immediately obviated.
This would open up Australian ports and facilities for basing and support of nuclear submarines from countries with which Australia is aligned. Another addition to the Chinese headaches.
Ian said:
diddly-squat said:
roughbarked said:
Dutton fears for lives of Australian defence personnel after Chinese military confrontation
….Hmm but isn’t he one of those who continually makes confrontational comments about China?
in fairness here.. China are military aggressors in the south pacific.. they are the whole reason we need nuclear subs and further increased naval surface capacity.
The Chinese must all atremble at the prospect of an Aussie nuclear powered sub or two trundling along in the mid 2040s sometime.
Oh dear, that’s years away. Feigned shock horror.
roughbarked said:
Ian said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness here.. China are military aggressors in the south pacific.. they are the whole reason we need nuclear subs and further increased naval surface capacity.
The Chinese must all atremble at the prospect of an Aussie nuclear powered sub or two trundling along in the mid 2040s sometime.
Oh dear, that’s years away. Feigned shock horror.
The arrival of ‘Australian’ nuclear submarines might be some years away, but the change in policy regarding other nations’ submarines could come at any time, especially after the process of acquiring technology and supporting hardware has passed some milestones of investment and development.
So, even before the first Australian nuclear sub is delivered, things could become more complicated for the Chinese planners.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Ian said:The Chinese must all atremble at the prospect of an Aussie nuclear powered sub or two trundling along in the mid 2040s sometime.
Oh dear, that’s years away. Feigned shock horror.
The arrival of ‘Australian’ nuclear submarines might be some years away, but the change in policy regarding other nations’ submarines could come at any time, especially after the process of acquiring technology and supporting hardware has passed some milestones of investment and development.
So, even before the first Australian nuclear sub is delivered, things could become more complicated for the Chinese planners.
Acknowledged.
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
diddly-squat said:in fairness here.. China are military aggressors in the south pacific.. they are the whole reason we need nuclear subs and further increased naval surface capacity.
The Chinese must all atremble at the prospect of an Aussie nuclear powered sub or two trundling along in the mid 2040s sometime.
They wouldn’t be all that happy about it.
Australian nuclear subs would change the outlook in more ways than one.
Conventional submarines are limited in range and endurance, and require a friendly base reasonably nearby and supporting infrastructure. You can make estimations of their intent, range, and effectiveness by observing where they’re based, or from where they’re permitted to operate and are supported in their operations.
Nuclear submarines can leave a home port e.g. Sydney, NSW or Stirling, WA, and just disappear for months at a time. They could pop up of the coast of Africa, or of India, or Mexico, or China. They’re another wild card put in play in the game. It makes things just that bit more difficult for the Chinese strategists.
Another factor is that if Australia operates its own nuclear submarines, then any objections to hosting nuclear submarines of other nations e.g. US, UK, France, India, would tend to be immediately obviated.
This would open up Australian ports and facilities for basing and support of nuclear submarines from countries with which Australia is aligned. Another addition to the Chinese headaches.
Nah, I’ll be a whole new game 25 years from now.
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:The Chinese must all atremble at the prospect of an Aussie nuclear powered sub or two trundling along in the mid 2040s sometime.
They wouldn’t be all that happy about it.
Australian nuclear subs would change the outlook in more ways than one.
Conventional submarines are limited in range and endurance, and require a friendly base reasonably nearby and supporting infrastructure. You can make estimations of their intent, range, and effectiveness by observing where they’re based, or from where they’re permitted to operate and are supported in their operations.
Nuclear submarines can leave a home port e.g. Sydney, NSW or Stirling, WA, and just disappear for months at a time. They could pop up of the coast of Africa, or of India, or Mexico, or China. They’re another wild card put in play in the game. It makes things just that bit more difficult for the Chinese strategists.
Another factor is that if Australia operates its own nuclear submarines, then any objections to hosting nuclear submarines of other nations e.g. US, UK, France, India, would tend to be immediately obviated.
This would open up Australian ports and facilities for basing and support of nuclear submarines from countries with which Australia is aligned. Another addition to the Chinese headaches.
Nah, I’ll be a whole new game 25 years from now.
Tamb said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:They wouldn’t be all that happy about it.
Australian nuclear subs would change the outlook in more ways than one.
Conventional submarines are limited in range and endurance, and require a friendly base reasonably nearby and supporting infrastructure. You can make estimations of their intent, range, and effectiveness by observing where they’re based, or from where they’re permitted to operate and are supported in their operations.
Nuclear submarines can leave a home port e.g. Sydney, NSW or Stirling, WA, and just disappear for months at a time. They could pop up of the coast of Africa, or of India, or Mexico, or China. They’re another wild card put in play in the game. It makes things just that bit more difficult for the Chinese strategists.
Another factor is that if Australia operates its own nuclear submarines, then any objections to hosting nuclear submarines of other nations e.g. US, UK, France, India, would tend to be immediately obviated.
This would open up Australian ports and facilities for basing and support of nuclear submarines from countries with which Australia is aligned. Another addition to the Chinese headaches.
Nah, I’ll be a whole new game 25 years from now.
I am almost 100% certain that I won’t be alive when the first Aussie subs are launched.
I could probably go 70%.
Tamb said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:They wouldn’t be all that happy about it.
Australian nuclear subs would change the outlook in more ways than one.
Conventional submarines are limited in range and endurance, and require a friendly base reasonably nearby and supporting infrastructure. You can make estimations of their intent, range, and effectiveness by observing where they’re based, or from where they’re permitted to operate and are supported in their operations.
Nuclear submarines can leave a home port e.g. Sydney, NSW or Stirling, WA, and just disappear for months at a time. They could pop up of the coast of Africa, or of India, or Mexico, or China. They’re another wild card put in play in the game. It makes things just that bit more difficult for the Chinese strategists.
Another factor is that if Australia operates its own nuclear submarines, then any objections to hosting nuclear submarines of other nations e.g. US, UK, France, India, would tend to be immediately obviated.
This would open up Australian ports and facilities for basing and support of nuclear submarines from countries with which Australia is aligned. Another addition to the Chinese headaches.
Nah, I’ll be a whole new game 25 years from now.
I am almost 100% certain that I won’t be alive when the first Aussie subs are launched.
You won’t be missing much. Here’s a more evocative submarine from ancient times, depicted later in the medieval period.
Alexander the Great being lowered into the sea in a glass barrel, to study the fish.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
Ian said:Nah, I’ll be a whole new game 25 years from now.
I am almost 100% certain that I won’t be alive when the first Aussie subs are launched.
You won’t be missing much. Here’s a more evocative submarine from ancient times, depicted later in the medieval period.
Alexander the Great being lowered into the sea in a glass barrel, to study the fish.
Well before cameras, that was.
Conservative intellectual and recent Tasmanian Liberal candidate Julie Sladden.
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and recent Tasmanian Liberal candidate Julie Sladden.
Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and recent Tasmanian Liberal candidate Julie Sladden.
Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
OK, having done some further own research on Julie Sladden, forget the last bit.
I note she writes for the Spectator and the Spectator has an article “The AMA are wrong about Dr Julie Sladden.”
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and recent Tasmanian Liberal candidate Julie Sladden.
Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
is bill gates really as evil as some make out?
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and recent Tasmanian Liberal candidate Julie Sladden.
Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
is bill gates really as evil as some make out?
That’s a firm no.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
is bill gates really as evil as some make out?
That’s a firm no.
it was a test question to weed out the cookers here.
:-)
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and recent Tasmanian Liberal candidate Julie Sladden.
Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
OK, having done some further own research on Julie Sladden, forget the last bit.
I note she writes for the Spectator and the Spectator has an article “The AMA are wrong about Dr Julie Sladden.”
Now done a Binge on “Australians for Science and Freedom” and every link that comes up goes to the Australians for Science and Freedom web site. Seems no-one else is talking about these people.
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bogsnorkler said:is bill gates really as evil as some make out?
That’s a firm no.
it was a test question to weed out the cookers here.
:-)
There are like a handful of quarter-way decent billionaires in the world and they are magnets for the anger of bootlickers
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Conservative intellectual and recent Tasmanian Liberal candidate Julie Sladden.
Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
is bill gates really as evil as some make out?
Yes
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
OK, having done some further own research on Julie Sladden, forget the last bit.
I note she writes for the Spectator and the Spectator has an article “The AMA are wrong about Dr Julie Sladden.”
Now done a Binge on “Australians for Science and Freedom” and every link that comes up goes to the Australians for Science and Freedom web site. Seems no-one else is talking about these people.
Interesting poking around the Australians For Science And Freedom website, makes me glad no one else is talking about them.
I hope you also had a look at Julie Sladden on The Daily Declaration, Rev. ‘Australia’s largest Christian news site. A little poke around in there is most enlightening. Who knew that the ABS is conducting a war on Christianity. A WAR! I would read more but my brain is hurting….
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That’s a firm no.
it was a test question to weed out the cookers here.
:-)
There are like a handful of quarter-way decent billionaires in the world and they are magnets for the anger of bootlickers
yeah, cookers like to hate Bill, and flerfers love to hate NASA. It’s like there is no one else.
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Oh, a “conservative intellectual”. That explains it.
It’s a bit hard to read, but when I saw “unelected global organisation funded by Bill Gates” it started to look a bit suss.
OTOH, are any of these three things worthy of valid concerns for our freedoms?
is bill gates really as evil as some make out?
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFmNyxni-0A&t=1s
ruby said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:OK, having done some further own research on Julie Sladden, forget the last bit.
I note she writes for the Spectator and the Spectator has an article “The AMA are wrong about Dr Julie Sladden.”
Now done a Binge on “Australians for Science and Freedom” and every link that comes up goes to the Australians for Science and Freedom web site. Seems no-one else is talking about these people.
Interesting poking around the Australians For Science And Freedom website, makes me glad no one else is talking about them.
I hope you also had a look at Julie Sladden on The Daily Declaration, Rev. ‘Australia’s largest Christian news site. A little poke around in there is most enlightening. Who knew that the ABS is conducting a war on Christianity. A WAR! I would read more but my brain is hurting….
Might give that one a miss I think.
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Bogsnorkler said:is bill gates really as evil as some make out?
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFmNyxni-0A&t=1s
I should know better than to click on snorkler links.
But then yootob took me to:
Richard and Linda Thompson
so I won’t complain.
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Now done a Binge on “Australians for Science and Freedom” and every link that comes up goes to the Australians for Science and Freedom web site. Seems no-one else is talking about these people.
Interesting poking around the Australians For Science And Freedom website, makes me glad no one else is talking about them.
I hope you also had a look at Julie Sladden on The Daily Declaration, Rev. ‘Australia’s largest Christian news site. A little poke around in there is most enlightening. Who knew that the ABS is conducting a war on Christianity. A WAR! I would read more but my brain is hurting….
Might give that one a miss I think.
Having said that, I promptly went and had a look.
To be fair to Ms. Sladden, the “War on Christianity” piece had nothing to do with her, but it really was a nasty little piece of right wing racist crap.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
ruby said:Interesting poking around the Australians For Science And Freedom website, makes me glad no one else is talking about them.
I hope you also had a look at Julie Sladden on The Daily Declaration, Rev. ‘Australia’s largest Christian news site. A little poke around in there is most enlightening. Who knew that the ABS is conducting a war on Christianity. A WAR! I would read more but my brain is hurting….
Might give that one a miss I think.
Having said that, I promptly went and had a look.
To be fair to Ms. Sladden, the “War on Christianity” piece had nothing to do with her, but it really was a nasty little piece of right wing racist crap.
Yep. Just the sort of stuff that one of the people I work for loves to talk to me about. She also works for the local council. A couple of weeks ago she complained to me that her fellow workers there are shunning her and calling her a conspiracy theorist. Gosh, life is so unfair when you can’t get people to accept that they are sheep with their head in the sand
Totally Captured By The Communists
The High Court has dismissed a case brought by an Iranian man demanding to be released from immigration detention after refusing to cooperate with efforts to deport him.
This is bullshit, everyone knows that men’s
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-10/call-to-rename-michael-slater-oval-in-wagga-wagga/103425332
right to be speech and not be cancelled outweighs women’s right to be safe, and not just all men’s, only famous men’s.
SCIENCE said:
everyone knows that men’s right to be speech and not be cancelled outweighs women’s right to be safe, and not just all men’s, only famous men’s
The Federal Court has ordered Bruce Lehrmann to pay Network Ten’s costs in defending his failed defamation case over an interview with Brittany Higgins on The Project.
SCIENCE said:
everyone knows that men’s right to be speech and not be cancelled outweighs women’s right to be safe, and not just all men’s, only famous men’s
The Federal Court has ordered Bruce Lehrmann to pay Network Ten’s costs in defending his failed defamation case over an interview with Brittany Higgins on The Project.
The news was so good it was worth a double take¡
Shouldn’t be hard to design an exterior that suits the streetscape:
…
Macquarie Point stadium architects chosen, with COX Architecture saying it won’t mimic early concept design
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103824874
Sounds Like Much Fun
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-10/wa-westfield-carousel-knife-attack-manhunt/103833402
Arndt admitted seeking funds for Lehrmann in the past but says she has not contributed towards legal costs.
We saw an email Arndt sent to supporters last year saying she had raised $30,000 but pleading for more cash, as well as accommodation, a scholarship and “a new friendship network” in Sydney: “He’d love an occasional game of golf … and other opportunities for some discrete socialising.”
Arndt told Weekly Beast: “I have never had anything to do with raising money for Bruce Lehrmann’s legal actions, current or future, including the possible appeal of the defamation case.
“I was part of a group of people who attempted to raise money for basic living expenses for Bruce Lehrmann last year after the criminal court case ended. He was then broke and trying to study law with no prospects of earning any income (due to his notoriety after his trial by media).”
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/article/2024/may/10/bettina-arndt-passed-hat-around-for-accommodation-cash-and-new-friends-for-bruce-lehrmann-ntwnfb
sarahs mum said:
Arndt admitted seeking funds for Lehrmann in the past but says she has not contributed towards legal costs.We saw an email Arndt sent to supporters last year saying she had raised $30,000 but pleading for more cash, as well as accommodation, a scholarship and “a new friendship network” in Sydney: “He’d love an occasional game of golf … and other opportunities for some discrete socialising.”
Arndt told Weekly Beast: “I have never had anything to do with raising money for Bruce Lehrmann’s legal actions, current or future, including the possible appeal of the defamation case.
“I was part of a group of people who attempted to raise money for basic living expenses for Bruce Lehrmann last year after the criminal court case ended. He was then broke and trying to study law with no prospects of earning any income (due to his notoriety after his trial by media).”
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/article/2024/may/10/bettina-arndt-passed-hat-around-for-accommodation-cash-and-new-friends-for-bruce-lehrmann-ntwnfb
Maybe he should go back to Texas?
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
Arndt admitted seeking funds for Lehrmann in the past but says she has not contributed towards legal costs.We saw an email Arndt sent to supporters last year saying she had raised $30,000 but pleading for more cash, as well as accommodation, a scholarship and “a new friendship network” in Sydney: “He’d love an occasional game of golf … and other opportunities for some discrete socialising.”
Arndt told Weekly Beast: “I have never had anything to do with raising money for Bruce Lehrmann’s legal actions, current or future, including the possible appeal of the defamation case.
“I was part of a group of people who attempted to raise money for basic living expenses for Bruce Lehrmann last year after the criminal court case ended. He was then broke and trying to study law with no prospects of earning any income (due to his notoriety after his trial by media).”
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/article/2024/may/10/bettina-arndt-passed-hat-around-for-accommodation-cash-and-new-friends-for-bruce-lehrmann-ntwnfb
Maybe he should go back to Texas?
LOL, at “a new friendship network”. Can you buy those?
Bogsnorkler said:
kii said:
sarahs mum said:
Arndt admitted seeking funds for Lehrmann in the past but says she has not contributed towards legal costs.We saw an email Arndt sent to supporters last year saying she had raised $30,000 but pleading for more cash, as well as accommodation, a scholarship and “a new friendship network” in Sydney: “He’d love an occasional game of golf … and other opportunities for some discrete socialising.”
Arndt told Weekly Beast: “I have never had anything to do with raising money for Bruce Lehrmann’s legal actions, current or future, including the possible appeal of the defamation case.
“I was part of a group of people who attempted to raise money for basic living expenses for Bruce Lehrmann last year after the criminal court case ended. He was then broke and trying to study law with no prospects of earning any income (due to his notoriety after his trial by media).”
more…
https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/article/2024/may/10/bettina-arndt-passed-hat-around-for-accommodation-cash-and-new-friends-for-bruce-lehrmann-ntwnfb
Maybe he should go back to Texas?
LOL, at “a new friendship network”. Can you buy those?
Obviously I have been doing it all wrong over here.
kii said:
Bogsnorkler said:
kii said:
Maybe he should go back to Texas?
LOL, at “a new friendship network”. Can you buy those?
Obviously I have been doing it all wrong over here.
Well yeah aren’t 20000 friends on your billionaire megaphone network of choice going for $50 or whatever it is these days¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-10/government-to-tip-billions-more-into-housing-in-next-weeks-feder/103833710
The federal government will tip billions of dollars of additional investment into building new homes in next week’s federal budget, as it chases a promise to build 1.2 million new homes by 2030.
An additional $1 billion will be spent on crisis and transitional accommodation for women and children fleeing family violence and for youth through the National Housing Infrastructure Facility.
—-
Hobart mayor Anna Reynolds slams council’s decision to reject St Vincent de Paul’s apartment building for vulnerable women
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-10/womens-social-housing-in-hobart-rejected/103829612
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-10/government-to-tip-billions-more-into-housing-in-next-weeks-feder/103833710The federal government will tip billions of dollars of additional investment into building new homes in next week’s federal budget, as it chases a promise to build 1.2 million new homes by 2030.
I am a bit iffy about this. I’d like for this money to be used to build a supply of government-owned housing stock, either directly by the Feds or as grants to the States to expand (revive?) various state schemes. Otherwise the money will just add fuel to the demand side of the market and the spending will be absorbed through price increases and profiteering.
Will have to wait and see I guess.
Wow fuck the amount of bullshit that Corruption talk, fuck’em.
A man accused of the serious assault of Perth woman Ninette Simons is a former immigration detainee who was released while the Coalition was in power in 2020.
The Coalition is distancing itself from any of its decisions involving the accused man, saying the government is using the issue to distract from its own failings.
The opposition says Labor has failed to protect the community from dangerous former detainees.
Yeah independent councilors are a good thing:
…
Hobart mayor Anna Reynolds slams council’s decision to reject St Vincent de Paul’s apartment building for vulnerable women
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103829612
Gotta keep that gas lighted economy
Thousands of NSW public school students are still learning in classrooms with heaters banned in other states due to their respiratory health risks. Unflued gas heaters are still installed in 1402 public schools at the completion of a five-year program to upgrade heating and cooling systems in classrooms. An unflued gas heater does not vent dangerous air pollutants outside, using a chimney or flue. Instead, it releases these pollutants into the room being heated. Michele Goldman, CEO of Asthma Australia, said the heaters were a serious risk for children with asthma, as they could release emit potent pollutants including carbon monoxide and nitrogen dioxide.
burning bright ¡
Tell yous something else… as yous all know we’re shills for Big P2 but even those won’t save you from the CmonOx + NOx¡
Anyone
surprised¿
The ABC has confirmed the group is believed to be from Vietnam and their boat was one of three to arrive in Australian waters since early last week.
SCIENCE said:
The ABC has confirmed the group is believed to be from Vietnam and their boat was one of three to arrive in Australian waters since early last week.
They’re pouring in.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
And on and on it goes…
Lordy.
Team Sports Are Good Politics But No Comment About Ethics ¡
SCIENCE said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
And on and on it goes…
Lordy.
Team Sports Are Good Politics But No Comment About Ethics ¡
So much fallout from this event. If only this Lehrmann bloke could have kept it in his pants none of this would have happened.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:Bubblecar said:
Lordy.
Team Sports Are Good Politics But No Comment About Ethics ¡
So much fallout from this event. If only this Lehrmann bloke could have kept it in his pants none of this would have happened.
At least it’s leading to adverse consequences for those who deserve them.
Must be vast numbers of incidents of this kind that are never even reported.
Bubblecar said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Team Sports Are Good Politics But No Comment About Ethics ¡
So much fallout from this event. If only this Lehrmann bloke could have kept it in his pants none of this would have happened.
At least it’s leading to adverse consequences for those who deserve them.
Must be vast numbers of incidents of this kind that are never even reported.
Blowing up in their face and giving a load of deeper meaning to the term “exposing corruption“¡
I told you Labor can’t manage economics. Instead of balancing the budget there is going to be a 9 billion dollar surplus… wait
dv said:
I told you Labor can’t manage economics. Instead of balancing the budget there is going to be a 9 billion dollar surplus… wait
“But it’ll be back in deficit in the next few years¡”
Former military lawyer David McBride has been sentenced to five years and eight months in jail for sharing classified military documents with journalists.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The budget is a betrayal.
Or so say the Greens.
Did people not realise that Labor are not Greens¿
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The budget is a betrayal.
Or so say the Greens.
Did people not realise that Labor are not Greens¿
I can’t speak for people, but I know of one person who did realise that Labor are not Greens.
I think it’s still reasonable to pass on what Greens say about Labor in chat though, even if it is not very surprising.
Vandals attack colonial statue of former Tasmanian premier William Crowther on eve of court ruling
matthew denholm
May 14, 2024
A damaged leg of Hobart’s William Crowther statue
A controversial statue of a colonial-era premier has been significantly damaged on the eve of a court ruling about whether it should be removed.
The large statue of Tasmania’s William Crowther, in Hobart’s Franklin Square, has been vandalised, with its legs cut through at least halfway, apparently by grinding equipment.
A planning tribunal is expected on Wednesday to rule whether or not the statue can be removed, after a Hobart City Council decision to topple it was appealed by Crowther defenders.
It appeared someone could not await the outcome, with the statue’s legs cut so far through the council is understood to be concerned it may be unstable.
Hobart councillors are understood to have been advised of “significant damage” to the statue, and that an investigation is underway involving Tasmania Police.
Last year, the council’s planning committee voted to approve the council’s own application to remove the statue, over concerns about Crowther’s alleged role in mutilating an Aboriginal corpse.
Crowther, a surgeon noted for his work for the poor but also as a bone hunter, was in 1869 accused of removing and stealing the skull from the corpse of Aboriginal man William Lanne – a claim he denied.
Removal of the statue would be the first toppling of a monument to an Australian premier, amid the global push to remove symbols of colonialism.
The legal challenge before the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative Tribunal argued the removal decision was based on incomplete and false heritage information.
One of the councillors opposed to the statue’s removal, Louise Elliot, on Tuesday condemned the attack.
“The statue was paid for by the people of Hobart in 1880s and the people of Hobart have again be fighting to save it,“ Ms Elliot said.
“I have no doubt that the pathetic hypocrites behind this vandalism believe themselves to be kind and tolerant, when it’s clear they’re blinded by their moral righteousness.
“The arrogance to think that you can destroy public property for your own narrow minded activism is astounding. It’s terrible to know that the council I’m a part of has fuelled this division.”
Former alderman Jeff Briscoe, who took the appeal with others, including a Crowther descendant, blamed a “misleading campaign” for “directly” provoking the vandalism.
“It is very sad news for the heritage of Hobart and the future of heritage sculptures throughout Australia,” Mr Briscoe said.
“It is especially upsetting to the community as it occurred on the eve of the decision from our appeal … the activists should be rightly condemned.”
Opponents of the statue’s removal argue Crowther was never proved to be involved in the Lanne mutilation, while others were implicated, and that rather than remove the statue interpretative material should be added.
However supporters of the statue’s downfall, including the Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, argue there is little doubt Crowther was involved in the mutilation and his statue is a constant, painful reminder of the abuses suffered by Indigenous people.
-Australian
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The budget is a betrayal.
Or so say the Greens.
Did people not realise that Labor are not Greens¿
I can’t speak for people, but I know of one person who did realise that Labor are not Greens.
I think it’s still reasonable to pass on what Greens say about Labor in chat though, even if it is not very surprising.
Fair we just found it surprising that others found it surprising that the Communists were more inclined to prop up industries that prop up workers (like a variable-volume fluid hydrocarbon industry) than to go full AC frequency headlong into renewables.
Not saying that they couldn’t‘ve, or shouldn’t‘ve, but we already know that SCIENCE isn’t in charge of policy.
Also whether the Communists were running the Corruption line propping up industries rather than workers more directly, is another matter.
sarahs mum said:
Vandals attack colonial statue of former Tasmanian premier William Crowther on eve of court ruling
matthew denholm
May 14, 2024A damaged leg of Hobart’s William Crowther statue
A controversial statue of a colonial-era premier has been significantly damaged on the eve of a court ruling about whether it should be removed.The large statue of Tasmania’s William Crowther, in Hobart’s Franklin Square, has been vandalised, with its legs cut through at least halfway, apparently by grinding equipment.
A planning tribunal is expected on Wednesday to rule whether or not the statue can be removed, after a Hobart City Council decision to topple it was appealed by Crowther defenders.
It appeared someone could not await the outcome, with the statue’s legs cut so far through the council is understood to be concerned it may be unstable.
Hobart councillors are understood to have been advised of “significant damage” to the statue, and that an investigation is underway involving Tasmania Police.
Last year, the council’s planning committee voted to approve the council’s own application to remove the statue, over concerns about Crowther’s alleged role in mutilating an Aboriginal corpse.
Crowther, a surgeon noted for his work for the poor but also as a bone hunter, was in 1869 accused of removing and stealing the skull from the corpse of Aboriginal man William Lanne – a claim he denied.
Removal of the statue would be the first toppling of a monument to an Australian premier, amid the global push to remove symbols of colonialism.
The legal challenge before the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative Tribunal argued the removal decision was based on incomplete and false heritage information.
One of the councillors opposed to the statue’s removal, Louise Elliot, on Tuesday condemned the attack.
“The statue was paid for by the people of Hobart in 1880s and the people of Hobart have again be fighting to save it,“ Ms Elliot said.
“I have no doubt that the pathetic hypocrites behind this vandalism believe themselves to be kind and tolerant, when it’s clear they’re blinded by their moral righteousness.“The arrogance to think that you can destroy public property for your own narrow minded activism is astounding. It’s terrible to know that the council I’m a part of has fuelled this division.”
Former alderman Jeff Briscoe, who took the appeal with others, including a Crowther descendant, blamed a “misleading campaign” for “directly” provoking the vandalism.
“It is very sad news for the heritage of Hobart and the future of heritage sculptures throughout Australia,” Mr Briscoe said.
“It is especially upsetting to the community as it occurred on the eve of the decision from our appeal … the activists should be rightly condemned.”Opponents of the statue’s removal argue Crowther was never proved to be involved in the Lanne mutilation, while others were implicated, and that rather than remove the statue interpretative material should be added.
However supporters of the statue’s downfall, including the Tasmanian Aboriginal Centre, argue there is little doubt Crowther was involved in the mutilation and his statue is a constant, painful reminder of the abuses suffered by Indigenous people.
-Australian
Perhaps in the future wise people erecting monuments should also be required to specify an expiry date after which their monuments should be retired.
Morgan Poll has ALP ahead 52-48. Note that this survey was conducted before the budget.
CHINA style
“I am all for first-class education and know we can’t control what people do with the private property they own — this does not seem like the best approach in the midst of the serious housing crisis in NSW,” she said.
eminent domain soon¡
SCIENCE said:
CHINA style
“I am all for first-class education and know we can’t control what people do with the private property they own — this does not seem like the best approach in the midst of the serious housing crisis in NSW,” she said.
eminent domain soon¡
Others aren’t allowed to just shit anywhere. I wonder what their system was for handling their effluent?
councils have regulations for reasons. Not always sane but there you go.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:CHINA style
“I am all for first-class education and know we can’t control what people do with the private property they own — this does not seem like the best approach in the midst of the serious housing crisis in NSW,” she said.
eminent domain soon¡
Others aren’t allowed to just shit anywhere. I wonder what their system was for handling their effluent?
councils have regulations for reasons. Not always sane but there you go.
Can we have a little hint on what shit this is all about?
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:CHINA style
“I am all for first-class education and know we can’t control what people do with the private property they own — this does not seem like the best approach in the midst of the serious housing crisis in NSW,” she said.
eminent domain soon¡
Others aren’t allowed to just shit anywhere. I wonder what their system was for handling their effluent?
councils have regulations for reasons. Not always sane but there you go.
Can we have a little hint on what shit this is all about?
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Others aren’t allowed to just shit anywhere. I wonder what their system was for handling their effluent?
councils have regulations for reasons. Not always sane but there you go.
Can we have a little hint on what shit this is all about?
Note if course that we are against private schools, per the SCIENCE or you could say ideologically, so obviously we are not in support of their expansion.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Can we have a little hint on what shit this is all about?
Note if course that we are against private schools, per the SCIENCE or you could say ideologically, so obviously we are not in support of their expansion.
What do you want me to say?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Note if course that we are against private schools, per the SCIENCE or you could say ideologically, so obviously we are not in support of their expansion.
What do you want me to say?
We have no wants, we were just making observations, as per good SCIENCE.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Note if course that we are against private schools, per the SCIENCE or you could say ideologically, so obviously we are not in support of their expansion.
What do you want me to say?
We have no wants, we were just making observations, as per good SCIENCE.
Goodo.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:Others aren’t allowed to just shit anywhere. I wonder what their system was for handling their effluent?
councils have regulations for reasons. Not always sane but there you go.
Can we have a little hint on what shit this is all about?
However, due to a bylaw which prohibits camping on land where there is no existing dwelling, officers from the Mount Alexander Shire Council have told Ms Meyers and Mr Muller they’re not allowed to camp on their property and have given them until Friday to leave.
…
Reckon they should apply for DA for a shed and start somewhere.
A new neighbour of mine plomped down one of those flats in a storage container.. put on some water tanks. . An outsize roof with solar panels over it and another container all without any council approval.
Ian said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Can we have a little hint on what shit this is all about?
However, due to a bylaw which prohibits camping on land where there is no existing dwelling, officers from the Mount Alexander Shire Council have told Ms Meyers and Mr Muller they’re not allowed to camp on their property and have given them until Friday to leave.
…
Reckon they should apply for DA for a shed and start somewhere.
A new neighbour of mine plomped down one of those flats in a storage container.. put on some water tanks. . An outsize roof with solar panels over it and another container all without any council approval.
Yep. As long as they have an application in.
Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…
bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
diddly-squat said:
Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…
bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
ABC have got a 15-second pictorial explanatory thing. That’s about brain space per day I’m bugeting…
Ian said:
diddly-squat said:
Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…
bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
ABC have got a 15-second pictorial explanatory thing. That’s about brain space per day I’m bugeting…
So not only do Labor have the skillz to make it a surplus they can allocate the rest to leave no losers what a bunch of geniuses.
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:*loosersdiddly-squat said:So not only do Labor have the skillz to make it a surplus they can allocate the rest to leave no losers what a bunch of geniuses.Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…ABC have got a 15-second pictorial explanatory thing. That’s about brain space per day I’m bugeting…bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
lax
SCIENCE said:
lax
Sorry we’ve become too forgiving in our old decrepit ages.
Anyway, sure
“I’m not endorsing what’s happened but … Good on them for taking that”
sure.
diddly-squat said:
Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…
bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
*loses
When it’s a loss it loses an ‘o’.
When it is loose, an ‘o’ is added, like loose elastic…extra oooo = loose
All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
diddly-squat said:
Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…
bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
ABC have got a 15-second pictorial explanatory thing. That’s about brain space per day I’m bugeting…
So not only do Labor have the skillz to make it a surplus they can allocate the rest to leave no losers what a bunch of geniuses.
New Lab Fanboi eh
Peak Warming Man said:
All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.
Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
Ian said:
SCIENCE said:
Ian said:
ABC have got a 15-second pictorial explanatory thing. That’s about brain space per day I’m bugeting…
So not only do Labor have the skillz to make it a surplus they can allocate the rest to leave no losers what a bunch of geniuses.
New Lab Fanboi eh
No we hate politics but we know hill climbing algorithms.
We agree that $300 could be useful in boosting renewable energy for a household.
Ian said:
Peak Warming Man said:
All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.
Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
If you dont have a power bill you get SFA.
Ian said:
Peak Warming Man said:It’s 4x $75 discounts, not a payment.All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
Ian said:
Peak Warming Man said:
All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.
Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
So how do I go about getting my $300? They didn’t say.
OCDC said:
Ian said:Peak Warming Man said:It’s 4x $75 discounts, not a payment.All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
This is how it is structured.
and it isn’t to everyone. It is per household.
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:
Peak Warming Man said:
All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.
Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
If you dont have a power bill you get SFA.
I don’t have a power bill at the redoubt so I get sweet FA.
OCDC said:
Ian said:Peak Warming Man said:It’s 4x $75 discounts, not a payment.All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
Utter bastards!
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
If you dont have a power bill you get SFA.
I don’t have a power bill at the redoubt so I get sweet FA.
Correcut.
Woodie said:
Ian said:
Peak Warming Man said:
All those people who have gone to the expense of going solar and living off the grid to save the planet get nothing.
Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
So how do I go about getting my $300? They didn’t say.
Isn’t it credit to your electricity account
Cymek said:
Woodie said:
Ian said:Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
So how do I go about getting my $300? They didn’t say.
Isn’t it credit to your electricity account
Yes. You get a discount.
Renters get SFA.
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
ref:?
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.
In most cases it’s the landlord.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.In most cases it’s the landlord.
no it’s not
diddly-squat said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.
In most cases it’s the landlord.
no it’s not
electricity and gas are paid by the tenant, excess water charges are also passed onto the tenant
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.In most cases it’s the landlord.
Bullshit.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.In most cases it’s the landlord.
I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.
In most cases it’s the landlord.
I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
Tamb said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:In most cases it’s the landlord.
I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
You could run a meth lab & a hydro pot plantation for free.
I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
You could run a meth lab & a hydro pot plantation for free.I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
The electricity should be under the tenants name and have nothing to do with the landlord.
It always has been when I have rented.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
You could run a meth lab & a hydro pot plantation for free.I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
You could run a meth lab & a hydro pot plantation for free.I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
Maybe some small places with no estate agents involved.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:You could run a meth lab & a hydro pot plantation for free.
I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
Even so the bill would be less so the cost to the tenant would be reduced.
Thats true.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Ian said:Isn’t there a lazy 300 going to everyone?
Bung up a couple a more panels
If you dont have a power bill you get SFA.
I don’t have a power bill at the redoubt so I get sweet FA.
Sure you do.
You get another year free of tax on sunlight.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.
So it will automatically show up on my lecky bill as -$75???
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
Arts said:I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
You could run a meth lab & a hydro pot plantation for free.I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
Bills like electricity and phone are often under the tenants name – this is so if the tenant skips out the landlord is not stuck paying a large bill as well as missed rent etc.. the company has to go after the person whose name is on the bill.
Woodie said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.So it will automatically show up on my lecky bill as -$75???
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:You could run a meth lab & a hydro pot plantation for free.
I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
Bills like electricity and phone are often under the tenants name – this is so if the tenant skips out the landlord is not stuck paying a large bill as well as missed rent etc.. the company has to go after the person whose name is on the bill.
But why are we getting discounts on energy costs anyway?
I thought we were supposed to be minimising energy use?
Why not more discounts for installing solar and/or batteries?
Or switching to EV’s.
Or putting more insulation in our roof?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:I was under the impression that the landlord actually paid the electricity bill and passed the cost on to the tenant.
Bills like electricity and phone are often under the tenants name – this is so if the tenant skips out the landlord is not stuck paying a large bill as well as missed rent etc.. the company has to go after the person whose name is on the bill.
But why are we getting discounts on energy costs anyway?
I thought we were supposed to be minimising energy use?
Why not more discounts for installing solar and/or batteries?
Or switching to EV’s.
Or putting more insulation in our roof?
because this gets more votes
Peak Warming Man said:
Renters get SFA.
renters on govt benefits receive an increase in rental assistance.
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Arts said:Bills like electricity and phone are often under the tenants name – this is so if the tenant skips out the landlord is not stuck paying a large bill as well as missed rent etc.. the company has to go after the person whose name is on the bill.
But why are we getting discounts on energy costs anyway?
I thought we were supposed to be minimising energy use?
Why not more discounts for installing solar and/or batteries?
Or switching to EV’s.
Or putting more insulation in our roof?
because this gets more votes
because renters can’t install solar panels, or batteries or insulation, etc….
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But why are we getting discounts on energy costs anyway?
I thought we were supposed to be minimising energy use?
Why not more discounts for installing solar and/or batteries?
Or switching to EV’s.
Or putting more insulation in our roof?
because this gets more votes
because renters can’t install solar panels, or batteries or insulation, etc….
That might be a reason if renters were the only ones getting the rebate.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
Arts said:because this gets more votes
because renters can’t install solar panels, or batteries or insulation, etc….
That might be a reason if renters were the only ones getting the rebate.
sure, but when doing this sort of thing you want to make it as easy for people to access without simply offering people cash.
reducing a cost that is incurred by most people seems a pretty targeted way to do this
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:because renters can’t install solar panels, or batteries or insulation, etc….
That might be a reason if renters were the only ones getting the rebate.
sure, but when doing this sort of thing you want to make it as easy for people to access without simply offering people cash.
reducing a cost that is incurred by most people seems a pretty targeted way to do this
in any case, people are still getting rebates for solar installations… If I were King of The World I’d have capped the payment at the cost of the overall installation – there is no reason people need to be getting paid government money simply because they had the overall means to install solar panels on their house.
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That might be a reason if renters were the only ones getting the rebate.
sure, but when doing this sort of thing you want to make it as easy for people to access without simply offering people cash.
reducing a cost that is incurred by most people seems a pretty targeted way to do this
in any case, people are still getting rebates for solar installations… If I were King of The World I’d have capped the payment at the cost of the overall installation – there is no reason people need to be getting paid government money simply because they had the overall means to install solar panels on their house.
I keep meaning to find out whether installing solar power stuff is actually worth the bother and expense.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:sure, but when doing this sort of thing you want to make it as easy for people to access without simply offering people cash.
reducing a cost that is incurred by most people seems a pretty targeted way to do this
in any case, people are still getting rebates for solar installations… If I were King of The World I’d have capped the payment at the cost of the overall installation – there is no reason people need to be getting paid government money simply because they had the overall means to install solar panels on their house.
I keep meaning to find out whether installing solar power stuff is actually worth the bother and expense.
Now that the rebate has been significantly reduced, the economics is far different, especially if you don’t actually consume much electricity during daylight hours. That said, I still think a modest rebate, capped at the cost of the installation, is reasonable… I expect when batteries become more cost effective then whole solar panel thing will go berserk again.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:in any case, people are still getting rebates for solar installations… If I were King of The World I’d have capped the payment at the cost of the overall installation – there is no reason people need to be getting paid government money simply because they had the overall means to install solar panels on their house.
I keep meaning to find out whether installing solar power stuff is actually worth the bother and expense.
Now that the rebate has been significantly reduced, the economics is far different, especially if you don’t actually consume much electricity during daylight hours. That said, I still think a modest rebate, capped at the cost of the installation, is reasonable… I expect when batteries become more cost effective then whole solar panel thing will go berserk again.
I have only a cursory knowledge of it, but it appears to me that the deal is that i spend a lot of money on a solar power installation, but i’ll still be running up a power bill with ‘an energy supplier’, and the government/energy suppliers will take any excess power that my set-up generates and pay me a pittance, or nothing, for it.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:I keep meaning to find out whether installing solar power stuff is actually worth the bother and expense.
Now that the rebate has been significantly reduced, the economics is far different, especially if you don’t actually consume much electricity during daylight hours. That said, I still think a modest rebate, capped at the cost of the installation, is reasonable… I expect when batteries become more cost effective then whole solar panel thing will go berserk again.
I have only a cursory knowledge of it, but it appears to me that the deal is that i spend a lot of money on a solar power installation, but i’ll still be running up a power bill with ‘an energy supplier’, and the government/energy suppliers will take any excess power that my set-up generates and pay me a pittance, or nothing, for it.
just put a big wind turbine in your backyard
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:because renters can’t install solar panels, or batteries or insulation, etc….
That might be a reason if renters were the only ones getting the rebate.
sure, but when doing this sort of thing you want to make it as easy for people to access without simply offering people cash.
reducing a cost that is incurred by most people seems a pretty targeted way to do this
In what way is reducing the cost of a commodity that should be consumed less better than providing cash to low income people, so they can spend it on whatever they like?
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That might be a reason if renters were the only ones getting the rebate.
sure, but when doing this sort of thing you want to make it as easy for people to access without simply offering people cash.
reducing a cost that is incurred by most people seems a pretty targeted way to do this
In what way is reducing the cost of a commodity that should be consumed less better than providing cash to low income people, so they can spend it on whatever they like?
Presumably if they’re spending less on energy they’ll have more cash to spend on whatever they like.
But I agree it should have been more sensibly targeted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFs2_uhz-o
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:I keep meaning to find out whether installing solar power stuff is actually worth the bother and expense.
Now that the rebate has been significantly reduced, the economics is far different, especially if you don’t actually consume much electricity during daylight hours. That said, I still think a modest rebate, capped at the cost of the installation, is reasonable… I expect when batteries become more cost effective then whole solar panel thing will go berserk again.
I have only a cursory knowledge of it, but it appears to me that the deal is that i spend a lot of money on a solar power installation, but i’ll still be running up a power bill with ‘an energy supplier’, and the government/energy suppliers will take any excess power that my set-up generates and pay me a pittance, or nothing, for it.
yes, that is now the case. the feed-in tariff is quite low now
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:That might be a reason if renters were the only ones getting the rebate.
sure, but when doing this sort of thing you want to make it as easy for people to access without simply offering people cash.
reducing a cost that is incurred by most people seems a pretty targeted way to do this
In what way is reducing the cost of a commodity that should be consumed less better than providing cash to low income people, so they can spend it on whatever they like?
I’m saying it’s an efficient use of money, just that if you want to provide relief on energy prices then this is a target way of doing so. Simply giving everyone $300 is recipe for inflation disaster – another thing that results in unequal hardship.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFs2_uhz-o
Thanks sarahs mum. Good stuff.
‘I went into this with my eyes wide open’. Yep. That’s how you effect change.
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFs2_uhz-o
It’s all insanely unfair.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFs2_uhz-o
It’s all insanely unfair.
Hmm, I’d assumed he was trying to bring attention to war crimes. But apparently not, perhaps the opposite.
>In 2016, McBride leaked classified military documents to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. McBride had become dissatisfied with military leadership and increased scrutiny of soldiers. The ABC found evidence of war crimes and published the information in their 2017 publication The Afghan Files. McBride was allegedly unhappy with ABC’s reporting of his documents.
….During McBride’s 2023 legal proceedings in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory, McBride’s lawyers told the court that he had leaked information in an attempt to bring awareness to excessive investigation of soldiers.<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_McBride_(whistleblower)
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFs2_uhz-o
It’s all insanely unfair.
he pleaded guilty, there are mandatory sentencing regimes… what exactly was the judge supposed to do?
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFs2_uhz-o
It’s all insanely unfair.
he pleaded guilty, there are mandatory sentencing regimes… what exactly was the judge supposed to do?
Whatever, at least the ABC obtained evidence of war crimes, even if the criminals remain at large.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Bubblecar said:It’s all insanely unfair.
he pleaded guilty, there are mandatory sentencing regimes… what exactly was the judge supposed to do?
Whatever, at least the ABC obtained evidence of war crimes, even if the criminals remain at large.
what do you mean by “whatever”? yes I agree that it’s good that evidence of crimes was supplied to the media, but the problem is there are no broad protections for whistleblowers. In this case the judge had no other option than to sentence him to jail and that’s shit, but as he said, he went into this with his eyes wide open.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFs2_uhz-o
It’s all insanely unfair.
Hmm, I’d assumed he was trying to bring attention to war crimes. But apparently not, perhaps the opposite.
>In 2016, McBride leaked classified military documents to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. McBride had become dissatisfied with military leadership and increased scrutiny of soldiers. The ABC found evidence of war crimes and published the information in their 2017 publication The Afghan Files. McBride was allegedly unhappy with ABC’s reporting of his documents.
….During McBride’s 2023 legal proceedings in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory, McBride’s lawyers told the court that he had leaked information in an attempt to bring awareness to excessive investigation of soldiers.<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_McBride_(whistleblower)
Huh, I assumed the same Bubblecar.
Good old ABC for what they did with his information.
And TIL that David McBride’s father is William McBride.
ruby said:
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:It’s all insanely unfair.
Hmm, I’d assumed he was trying to bring attention to war crimes. But apparently not, perhaps the opposite.
>In 2016, McBride leaked classified military documents to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. McBride had become dissatisfied with military leadership and increased scrutiny of soldiers. The ABC found evidence of war crimes and published the information in their 2017 publication The Afghan Files. McBride was allegedly unhappy with ABC’s reporting of his documents.
….During McBride’s 2023 legal proceedings in the Supreme Court of the Australian Capital Territory, McBride’s lawyers told the court that he had leaked information in an attempt to bring awareness to excessive investigation of soldiers.<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_McBride_(whistleblower)
Huh, I assumed the same Bubblecar.
Good old ABC for what they did with his information.
And TIL that David McBride’s father is William McBride.
^
Fkn communists though,
what next, they’ll be telling us that our taxes are needed to prop up healthcare and education or something¿
SCIENCE said:
Fkn communists though,
what next, they’ll be telling us that our taxes are needed to prop up healthcare and education or something¿
In other bizarre acrobatics
Proposed tax breaks designed to encourage the next boom in critical minerals have been rejected by the Coalition as “billions for billionaires”, sparking a war of words between Opposition leader Peter Dutton and Western Australia’s premier.
Corruption claim that Communists are giving too much credit to donors¿¡
Whilst it’s good to see that they’re no longer playing purist dogma and ideology, we suspect that base opportunism is a step down.
Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
SCIENCE said:
Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
SCIENCE said:
Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
SCIENCE said:
CHINA style
“I am all for first-class education and know we can’t control what people do with the private property they own — this does not seem like the best approach in the midst of the serious housing crisis in NSW,” she said.
eminent domain soon¡
The thing is … current zoning laws DO control what people do with their property
diddly-squat said:
Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…
bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
It’s unusual to combine pork barreling with a budget surplus
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
We suppose existing residents could be incentivised to work regionally¡
Victorian government has invested $37 million from its Breakthrough Victoria venture capital fund in a US satellite imagery and space tourism company.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
Heard a farmer ranting about that jjust this morning.
Says he offers a room and board and permanent job and all.. All he can get is backpackers.
SCIENCE said:
Victorian government has invested $37 million from its Breakthrough Victoria venture capital fund in a US satellite imagery and space tourism company.
Who will get the profits?
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:It’s a discount on the elec bill. So whoever pays the bill gets the discount.
In most cases it’s the landlord.
I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
Set a ‘dro plantation and an aluminium smelter
SCIENCE said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
We suppose existing residents could be incentivised to work regionally¡
We need a scheme of Regional Working Visas. Low to mid-skilled workers can come and settle, but only have a right to work in specific regions, for at least the first few years until they can apply for full citizenship, but by then hopefully they are settled already where they are.
Might be difficult constitutionally. Might need some arrangement with the states etc.
It does create a class of second-class citizens with no free movement between states, or between the regions and the capital cities.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
We suppose existing residents could be incentivised to work regionally¡
We need a scheme of Regional Working Visas. Low to mid-skilled workers can come and settle, but only have a right to work in specific regions, for at least the first few years until they can apply for full citizenship, but by then hopefully they are settled already where they are.
Might be difficult constitutionally. Might need some arrangement with the states etc.
It does create a class of second-class citizens with no free movement between states, or between the regions and the capital cities.
The backpackers get more time here if they do some farmwork.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
We suppose existing residents could be incentivised to work regionally¡
We need a scheme of Regional Working Visas. Low to mid-skilled workers can come and settle, but only have a right to work in specific regions, for at least the first few years until they can apply for full citizenship, but by then hopefully they are settled already where they are.
Might be difficult constitutionally. Might need some arrangement with the states etc.
It does create a class of second-class citizens with no free movement between states, or between the regions and the capital cities.
worked for the Snowy project.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
Heard a farmer ranting about that jjust this morning.
Says he offers a room and board and permanent job and all.. All he can get is backpackers.
I guess that’s the downside of full employment
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:We suppose existing residents could be incentivised to work regionally¡
We need a scheme of Regional Working Visas. Low to mid-skilled workers can come and settle, but only have a right to work in specific regions, for at least the first few years until they can apply for full citizenship, but by then hopefully they are settled already where they are.
Might be difficult constitutionally. Might need some arrangement with the states etc.
It does create a class of second-class citizens with no free movement between states, or between the regions and the capital cities.
The backpackers get more time here if they do some farmwork.
Yeah I know. But they fucking hate it, because they are mostly Westerners, particularly from Europe.
Why not just have a category of visa where we are upfront about it being low-skilled regional agricultural work. There are several hundred millions of rural poor people in Sri Lanka, Indonesia, the Philippines, Cambodia, East Timor and the pacific islands etc – surely there are some who would love to come and work for Aussie wages for a stint of 6-12 months.
Crowther’s gone.
Julie Gough is in Hobart, TAS.
13 h ·
Update 2 –
sarahs mum said:
Crowther’s gone.
Julie Gough is in Hobart, TAS.
13 h ·
Update 2 –
- 😞 oh no – he’s on the ground behind the plinth 😞
I am not familiar with this artist’s work.
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Crowther’s gone.
Julie Gough is in Hobart, TAS.
13 h ·
Update 2 –
- 😞 oh no – he’s on the ground behind the plinth 😞
I am not familiar with this artist’s work.
William Crowther. One time premier. Good person/reputation as medic who did great work with the poor. Trader in aboriginal bones.
sarahs mum said:
party_pants said:
sarahs mum said:
Crowther’s gone.
Julie Gough is in Hobart, TAS.
13 h ·
Update 2 –
- 😞 oh no – he’s on the ground behind the plinth 😞
I am not familiar with this artist’s work.
William Crowther. One time premier. Good person/reputation as medic who did great work with the poor. Trader in aboriginal bones.
Apparently they’ll be supergluing his feet back on and storing him somewhere safe.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:party_pants said:
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
We suppose existing residents could be incentivised to work regionally¡
We need a scheme of Regional Working Visas. Low to mid-skilled workers can come and settle, but only have a right to work in specific regions, for at least the first few years until they can apply for full citizenship, but by then hopefully they are settled already where they are.
Might be difficult constitutionally. Might need some arrangement with the states etc.
It does create a class of second-class citizens with no free movement between states, or between the regions and the capital cities.
there is visa scheme where workers from largely pacific nations come to Australia and work as seasonal pickers.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:Interesting budget… struggling to understand exactly who looses here…
bit of good ol’ fashioned pork barreling it seems…
It’s unusual to combine pork barreling with a budget surplus
as I’m sure you are aware, pork barrelling refers to the practice of spending government money to garner political support and this budget has a pretty clear pre-election focus; the surplus is just part of the narrative. Now I’m not saying it’s a bad budget, I’m just calling it out for what it is.
If the ALP go on to win the next election, hopefully at some point in the next cycle we’ll see some actual bravery from Chalmers .. something that goes to address the actual structural nature of the deficits.
sarahs mum said:
Crowther’s gone.
Julie Gough is in Hobart, TAS.
13 h ·
Update 2 –
- 😞 oh no – he’s on the ground behind the plinth 😞
I am seriously not keen on this meddling with “history”. I would much prefer a new plaque be made telling the world about the good and bad things the person had done.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:Fkn breeders
Australia’s intake of migrants will fall sharply — halving in two years — as it overhauls the migration system and moves to reduce pressures caused by population growth.
wait oh that’s right the problem is not enough new population
wait
.
The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
Heard a farmer ranting about that jjust this morning.
Says he offers a room and board and permanent job and all.. All he can get is backpackers.
I’ll wager that he didn’t say how much he charges for the room and board, nor how little he pays.
dv said:
Arts said:
Peak Warming Man said:In most cases it’s the landlord.
I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
Set a ‘dro plantation and an aluminium smelter
What is a ‘dro?
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:The problem is that not enough immigrants go to where there are genuine labour shortages. Most of them go to the major cities, esp Sydney & Melbourne, thus driving up rents and living costs etc. While regional areas are screaming out for anyone with functioning limbs and with a heartbeat to come and work.
Heard a farmer ranting about that jjust this morning.
Says he offers a room and board and permanent job and all.. All he can get is backpackers.
I’ll wager that he didn’t say how much he charges for the room and board, nor how little he pays.
He didn’t.
SCIENCE said:
Fkn communists though,
what next, they’ll be telling us that our taxes are needed to prop up healthcare and education or something¿
Ha!
:)
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Victorian government has invested $37 million from its Breakthrough Victoria venture capital fund in a US satellite imagery and space tourism company.
Who will get the profits?
billionaires
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Victorian government has invested $37 million from its Breakthrough Victoria venture capital fund in a US satellite imagery and space tourism company.
Who will get the profits?
billionaires
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Crowther’s gone.
Julie Gough is in Hobart, TAS.
13 h ·
Update 2 –
- 😞 oh no – he’s on the ground behind the plinth 😞
I am seriously not keen on this meddling with “history”. I would much prefer a new plaque be made telling the world about the good and bad things the person had done.
+1
AussieDJ said:
Michael V said:
sarahs mum said:
Crowther’s gone.
Julie Gough is in Hobart, TAS.
13 h ·
Update 2 –
- 😞 oh no – he’s on the ground behind the plinth 😞
I am seriously not keen on this meddling with “history”. I would much prefer a new plaque be made telling the world about the good and bad things the person had done.
+1
A plaque doesn’t require a statue and they get a plaque on their gravestone.
roughbarked said:
AussieDJ said:
Michael V said:I am seriously not keen on this meddling with “history”. I would much prefer a new plaque be made telling the world about the good and bad things the person had done.
+1
A plaque doesn’t require a statue and they get a plaque on their gravestone.
+1
It’s not “meddling with history”, it’s a matter of recognising history in full, and from that informed perspective and the values we expect to uphold in the modern world, deciding that this person doesn’t deserve to be commemorated with a statue in a public square.
The statue itself will be preserved by the council, who have voted to remove it.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
AussieDJ said:+1
A plaque doesn’t require a statue and they get a plaque on their gravestone.
+1
It’s not “meddling with history”, it’s a matter of recognising history in full, and from that informed perspective and the values we expect to uphold in the modern world, deciding that this person doesn’t deserve to be commemorated with a statue in a public square.
The statue itself will be preserved by the council, who have voted to remove it.
They’ll have to go back and get the feet.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:Heard a farmer ranting about that jjust this morning.
Says he offers a room and board and permanent job and all.. All he can get is backpackers.
I’ll wager that he didn’t say how much he charges for the room and board, nor how little he pays.
He didn’t.
wages for picker here are aus minimum. The owners of the backpacker lodges make sure they are properly paid because they want their rent paid. they won’t supply bad orchards with workers.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:I’ll wager that he didn’t say how much he charges for the room and board, nor how little he pays.
He didn’t.
wages for picker here are aus minimum. The owners of the backpacker lodges make sure they are properly paid because they want their rent paid. they won’t supply bad orchards with workers.
Yes. Those that do it the proper way.
There are also workers who do it via a contractor who gets them the jobs and takes a cut.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:I’ll wager that he didn’t say how much he charges for the room and board, nor how little he pays.
He didn’t.
wages for picker here are aus minimum. The owners of the backpacker lodges make sure they are properly paid because they want their rent paid. they won’t supply bad orchards with workers.
Maybe they wont, these days.
In days gone by, some would, if they were particularly friendly with the orchardist or farmer. The labour got paid just enough to cover the rent, and maybe a few dollars more, and the hostel operators collected rent immediately.
Wait so now $300 isn’t $300¿
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
A plaque doesn’t require a statue and they get a plaque on their gravestone.
+1
It’s not “meddling with history”, it’s a matter of recognising history in full, and from that informed perspective and the values we expect to uphold in the modern world, deciding that this person doesn’t deserve to be commemorated with a statue in a public square.
The statue itself will be preserved by the council, who have voted to remove it.
They’ll have to go back and get the feet.
We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
+1
It’s not “meddling with history”, it’s a matter of recognising history in full, and from that informed perspective and the values we expect to uphold in the modern world, deciding that this person doesn’t deserve to be commemorated with a statue in a public square.
The statue itself will be preserved by the council, who have voted to remove it.
They’ll have to go back and get the feet.
We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
How do you know?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
They’ll have to go back and get the feet.
We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
How do you know?
Listen.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
+1
It’s not “meddling with history”, it’s a matter of recognising history in full, and from that informed perspective and the values we expect to uphold in the modern world, deciding that this person doesn’t deserve to be commemorated with a statue in a public square.
The statue itself will be preserved by the council, who have voted to remove it.
They’ll have to go back and get the feet.
We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
I suppose if people are upset of the legacy of the person the statue commemorates and no one actually cares if its removed it should be.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
How do you know?
Listen.
Palpatine’s statue being removed on Coruscant didn’t have any protestors
SCIENCE said:
Wait so now $300 isn’t $300¿
I did actually look quickly (skimmed) that piece, and as I understand it, some economist type people are saying that lowering inflation will reduce increases to pensions and that is what they are talking about. Or something.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
They’ll have to go back and get the feet.
We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
I suppose if people are upset of the legacy of the person the statue commemorates and no one actually cares if its removed it should be.
What if fascists are people too and they want statues of fascism to stay¿
buffy said:
SCIENCE said:
Wait so now $300 isn’t $300¿
I did actually look quickly (skimmed) that piece, and as I understand it, some economist type people are saying that lowering inflation will reduce increases to pensions and that is what they are talking about. Or something.
So if Corruption give more money to rich pricks Your ABC will offhand comment that this seems unfair but they’re good people who deserve it but if Communists give a flat $300 rebate for people whose income largely goes to the rebated service, it’s antiprogressive and should be frowned upon¡
Easy, just taunt them until they sue for defamation
then the process will truly begin¡
SCIENCE said:
Easy, just taunt them until they sue for defamation
then the process will truly begin¡
Only the enemy commits wars crimes though
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Easy, just taunt them until they sue for defamation
then the process will truly begin¡
Only the enemy commits wars crimes though
good point we were just liberating them from the cruel hardships of this mortal coil.
SCIENCE said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Easy, just taunt them until they sue for defamation
then the process will truly begin¡
Only the enemy commits wars crimes though
good point we were just liberating them from the cruel hardships of this mortal coil.
I appreciate it
SCIENCE said:
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
They’re pulling down statues of Irving Berlin?
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
They’re pulling down statues of Irving Berlin?
Never hesitating to become the fated ones
Turning and returning to some secret place to hide
#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
OCDC said:
#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
She can take the money with a clear conscience.
OCDC said:
#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
Federal court judges become environmental experts.
Tau.Neutrino said:
OCDC said:#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
Federal court judges become environmental experts.
Environment Minister no longer considers the environment.
:(
Got to keep holding onto those non renewables.
OCDC said:
#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
I wonder what effect that will have on the environment?
Because it will have an effect, and how will they measure it?
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:roughbarked said:
They’ll have to go back and get the feet.
We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
I suppose if people are upset of the legacy of the person the statue commemorates and no one actually cares if its removed it should be.
The relatives…and I know a couple…would like hm to remain.
but that is all part of the post colonial dilemma.
Tau.Neutrino said:
OCDC said:#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
I wonder what effect that will have on the environment?
Because it will have an effect, and how will they measure it?
Not good for the future, walking away from responsibilities.
It’s not want we want to hear. Going backwards.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
I suppose if people are upset of the legacy of the person the statue commemorates and no one actually cares if its removed it should be.
The relatives…and I know a couple…would like hm to remain.
but that is all part of the post colonial dilemma.
What was the councils final decision?
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:We still hold that there should be statues of limitation and after a decided upon period of time they should be replaced with better and more relevant history.
Nobody’s complaining now about Saddam or Berlin being torn down eh¿
I suppose if people are upset of the legacy of the person the statue commemorates and no one actually cares if its removed it should be.
The relatives…and I know a couple…would like hm to remain.
but that is all part of the post colonial dilemma.
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:I suppose if people are upset of the legacy of the person the statue commemorates and no one actually cares if its removed it should be.
The relatives…and I know a couple…would like hm to remain.
but that is all part of the post colonial dilemma.
We could do the Russian thing and collect the statues and put them all in a park so that when the
person comes back into favour the statues can be re-exhibited.
A statue museum for the disgraced.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tamb said:
sarahs mum said:The relatives…and I know a couple…would like hm to remain.
but that is all part of the post colonial dilemma.
We could do the Russian thing and collect the statues and put them all in a park so that when the
person comes back into favour the statues can be re-exhibited.
A statue museum for the disgraced.
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:Easy, just taunt them until they sue for defamation
then the process will truly begin¡
Only the enemy commits wars crimes though
Who says that?
captain_spalding said:
OCDC said:
#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
She can take the money with a clear conscience.
Told yous that Communists weren’t Greens.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:Easy, just taunt them until they sue for defamation
then the process will truly begin¡
Only the enemy commits wars crimes though
Who says that?
Witty Rejoinder said:
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
Easy, just taunt them until they sue for defamation
then the process will truly begin¡
Only the enemy commits wars crimes though
Who says that?
The winners¡
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
OCDC said:#BREAKING: The Federal Court has ruled that Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek does not have to consider the environmental impacts of emissions when approving coal and gas projects.
Federal court judges become environmental experts.
Environment Minister no longer considers the environment.
:(
Got to keep holding onto those non renewables.
Nothing is being overlook or ignored, It’s because the new federal safeguard legislation deals with fugitive emissions
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Federal court judges become environmental experts.
Environment Minister no longer considers the environment.
:(
Got to keep holding onto those non renewables.
Nothing is being overlook or ignored, It’s because the new federal safeguard legislation deals with fugitive emissions
They going to be jumping off dams soon
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Environment Minister no longer considers the environment.
:(
Got to keep holding onto those non renewables.
Nothing is being overlook or ignored, It’s because the new federal safeguard legislation deals with fugitive emissions
They going to be jumping off dams soon
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:Nothing is being overlook or ignored, It’s because the new federal safeguard legislation deals with fugitive emissions
They going to be jumping off dams soon
I was hoping people would
Michael V said:
dv said:
Arts said:I want to rent the house where the landlord pays the electricity bill
Set a ‘dro plantation and an aluminium smelter
What is a ‘dro?
Hydroponic cannabis
dv said:
Michael V said:
dv said:Set a ‘dro plantation and an aluminium smelter
What is a ‘dro?
Hydroponic cannabis
Thanks. I wouldn’t have guessed that in a month of Sundays.
The premier has previously defended a decision to light up the sails of the Sydney Opera House for the victims of the October 7 terrorist attack.
And in February he told MPs who wanted to advocate on behalf of Palestinians they should focus on local issues.
sarahs mum said:
Professionals mustn’t sing¿
sarahs mum said:
She’s a bit daft.
Well that’s a bit unfair, where’s the
donkey¿
Yeah But How Many Schizophrenics Work In Gas ¿
SCIENCE said:
Too cute
Michael V said:
dv said:
Michael V said:What is a ‘dro?
Hydroponic cannabis
Thanks. I wouldn’t have guessed that in a month of Sundays.
I thought it was short for drone,
I don’t have much leisure for following the news or this forum these days so I am lagging a bit and kind of missed what Morrison said when he met DJT.
What a grubby and spineless weasel he is. The gulf between ScoMo and MalTur is spectacular.
sarahs mum said:
… but first, a number.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAESlpT4yvg
dv said:
I don’t have much leisure for following the news or this forum these days so I am lagging a bit and kind of missed what Morrison said when he met DJT.What a grubby and spineless weasel he is. The gulf between ScoMo and MalTur is spectacular.
An absolutely nauseous man.
dv said:
I don’t have much leisure for following the news or this forum these days so I am lagging a bit and kind of missed what Morrison said when he met DJT.What a grubby and spineless weasel he is. The gulf between ScoMo and MalTur is spectacular.
The sad thing is that they don’t realise that they are spineless and grubby weasels. They think people who have a different opinion or hold them to account are jealous of their obvious superiority.
17 May 2024
Swimmers join Rinehart portrait campaign
A group of elite Australian swimmers have been involved in the campaign to pressure the National Gallery to remove a portrait of Gina Rinehart that the mining billionaire does not like.
What we know:
Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting has demanded that the National Gallery of Australia remove the portrait by Arrernte artist Vincent Namatjira, arguing that the perceived unflattering portrait could jeopardise the company’s standing (SBS);
Rio Olympic gold medallist Kyle Chalmers and Swimming Queensland chief Kevin Hasemann coordinated a group of 20 elite Australian swimmers to campaign against the portrait (The Age);
Rinehart has paid more than $40m in sponsorship to Australian swimmers through Swimming Queensland and her company’s Hancock Prospecting Swimmer Support Scheme;
Chalmers said he had campaigned on Rinehart’s behalf after staff at Hancock Prospecting alerted him to the portrait;
“I think she just deserves to be praised and looked upon definitely a lot better than what the portraits have made her out to be. Without her sponsorship, we would actually have nothing,” he said;
Rinehart withdrew her funding of Netball Australia in 2022, plunging the sport into crisis, after players refused to wear her company’s logo on their shirts (The Saturday Paper);
The gallery has refused to back down, saying that it “welcomes the public having a dialogue on our collection and displays”;
Namatjira has responded to the controversy, saying: “People don’t have to like my paintings, but I hope they take the time to look and think, ‘Why has this Aboriginal bloke painted these powerful people? What is he trying to say?’” (Time);
Instead of shielding the unflattering depiction of herself from public view, Rinehart has inadvertently triggered the so-called Streisand effect — in which attempts to quash attention to something only cause it to get amplified through media coverage.
sarahs mum said:
17 May 2024
Swimmers join Rinehart portrait campaign
A group of elite Australian swimmers have been involved in the campaign to pressure the National Gallery to remove a portrait of Gina Rinehart that the mining billionaire does not like.
What we know:
Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting has demanded that the National Gallery of Australia remove the portrait by Arrernte artist Vincent Namatjira, arguing that the perceived unflattering portrait could jeopardise the company’s standing (SBS);
Rio Olympic gold medallist Kyle Chalmers and Swimming Queensland chief Kevin Hasemann coordinated a group of 20 elite Australian swimmers to campaign against the portrait (The Age);
Rinehart has paid more than $40m in sponsorship to Australian swimmers through Swimming Queensland and her company’s Hancock Prospecting Swimmer Support Scheme;
Chalmers said he had campaigned on Rinehart’s behalf after staff at Hancock Prospecting alerted him to the portrait;
“I think she just deserves to be praised and looked upon definitely a lot better than what the portraits have made her out to be. Without her sponsorship, we would actually have nothing,” he said;
Rinehart withdrew her funding of Netball Australia in 2022, plunging the sport into crisis, after players refused to wear her company’s logo on their shirts (The Saturday Paper);
The gallery has refused to back down, saying that it “welcomes the public having a dialogue on our collection and displays”;
Namatjira has responded to the controversy, saying: “People don’t have to like my paintings, but I hope they take the time to look and think, ‘Why has this Aboriginal bloke painted these powerful people? What is he trying to say?’” (Time);
Instead of shielding the unflattering depiction of herself from public view, Rinehart has inadvertently triggered the so-called Streisand effect — in which attempts to quash attention to something only cause it to get amplified through media coverage.
Mecha Rinehart
sarahs mum said:
17 May 2024
Swimmers join Rinehart portrait campaign
A group of elite Australian swimmers have been involved in the campaign to pressure the National Gallery to remove a portrait of Gina Rinehart that the mining billionaire does not like.
What we know:
Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting has demanded that the National Gallery of Australia remove the portrait by Arrernte artist Vincent Namatjira, arguing that the perceived unflattering portrait could jeopardise the company’s standing (SBS);
Rio Olympic gold medallist Kyle Chalmers and Swimming Queensland chief Kevin Hasemann coordinated a group of 20 elite Australian swimmers to campaign against the portrait (The Age);
Rinehart has paid more than $40m in sponsorship to Australian swimmers through Swimming Queensland and her company’s Hancock Prospecting Swimmer Support Scheme;
Chalmers said he had campaigned on Rinehart’s behalf after staff at Hancock Prospecting alerted him to the portrait;
“I think she just deserves to be praised and looked upon definitely a lot better than what the portraits have made her out to be. Without her sponsorship, we would actually have nothing,” he said;
Rinehart withdrew her funding of Netball Australia in 2022, plunging the sport into crisis, after players refused to wear her company’s logo on their shirts (The Saturday Paper);
The gallery has refused to back down, saying that it “welcomes the public having a dialogue on our collection and displays”;
Namatjira has responded to the controversy, saying: “People don’t have to like my paintings, but I hope they take the time to look and think, ‘Why has this Aboriginal bloke painted these powerful people? What is he trying to say?’” (Time);
Instead of shielding the unflattering depiction of herself from public view, Rinehart has inadvertently triggered the so-called Streisand effect — in which attempts to quash attention to something only cause it to get amplified through media coverage.
Fuckwits.
Bubblecar said:
sarahs mum said:
17 May 2024
Swimmers join Rinehart portrait campaign
A group of elite Australian swimmers have been involved in the campaign to pressure the National Gallery to remove a portrait of Gina Rinehart that the mining billionaire does not like.
What we know:
Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting has demanded that the National Gallery of Australia remove the portrait by Arrernte artist Vincent Namatjira, arguing that the perceived unflattering portrait could jeopardise the company’s standing (SBS);
Rio Olympic gold medallist Kyle Chalmers and Swimming Queensland chief Kevin Hasemann coordinated a group of 20 elite Australian swimmers to campaign against the portrait (The Age);
Rinehart has paid more than $40m in sponsorship to Australian swimmers through Swimming Queensland and her company’s Hancock Prospecting Swimmer Support Scheme;
Chalmers said he had campaigned on Rinehart’s behalf after staff at Hancock Prospecting alerted him to the portrait;
“I think she just deserves to be praised and looked upon definitely a lot better than what the portraits have made her out to be. Without her sponsorship, we would actually have nothing,” he said;
Rinehart withdrew her funding of Netball Australia in 2022, plunging the sport into crisis, after players refused to wear her company’s logo on their shirts (The Saturday Paper);
The gallery has refused to back down, saying that it “welcomes the public having a dialogue on our collection and displays”;
Namatjira has responded to the controversy, saying: “People don’t have to like my paintings, but I hope they take the time to look and think, ‘Why has this Aboriginal bloke painted these powerful people? What is he trying to say?’” (Time);
Instead of shielding the unflattering depiction of herself from public view, Rinehart has inadvertently triggered the so-called Streisand effect — in which attempts to quash attention to something only cause it to get amplified through media coverage.
Fuckwits.
Oy, language.
They ought to respond by establishing a regular Gina Portrait Prize, with the award going to the most unflattering Rinehart portrait.
sarahs mum said:
17 May 2024
Swimmers join Rinehart portrait campaign
A group of elite Australian swimmers have been involved in the campaign to pressure the National Gallery to remove a portrait of Gina Rinehart that the mining billionaire does not like.
What we know:
Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting has demanded that the National Gallery of Australia remove the portrait by Arrernte artist Vincent Namatjira, arguing that the perceived unflattering portrait could jeopardise the company’s standing (SBS);
Rio Olympic gold medallist Kyle Chalmers and Swimming Queensland chief Kevin Hasemann coordinated a group of 20 elite Australian swimmers to campaign against the portrait (The Age);
Rinehart has paid more than $40m in sponsorship to Australian swimmers through Swimming Queensland and her company’s Hancock Prospecting Swimmer Support Scheme;
Chalmers said he had campaigned on Rinehart’s behalf after staff at Hancock Prospecting alerted him to the portrait;
“I think she just deserves to be praised and looked upon definitely a lot better than what the portraits have made her out to be. Without her sponsorship, we would actually have nothing,” he said;
Rinehart withdrew her funding of Netball Australia in 2022, plunging the sport into crisis, after players refused to wear her company’s logo on their shirts (The Saturday Paper);
The gallery has refused to back down, saying that it “welcomes the public having a dialogue on our collection and displays”;
Namatjira has responded to the controversy, saying: “People don’t have to like my paintings, but I hope they take the time to look and think, ‘Why has this Aboriginal bloke painted these powerful people? What is he trying to say?’” (Time);
Instead of shielding the unflattering depiction of herself from public view, Rinehart has inadvertently triggered the so-called Streisand effect — in which attempts to quash attention to something only cause it to get amplified through media coverage.
All that money. Can’t buy happiness. But it can buy better flying monkies.
Bubblecar said:
They ought to respond by establishing a regular Gina Portrait Prize, with the award going to the most unflattering Rinehart portrait.
Can’t they just fucking pay for someone else to scribble a more preferred looking portrait, talk about cancel cult and censorship, fuck.
Well worth a read.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-18/federal-budget-reply-peter-dutton-simple-dangerous-politics/103862262Well worth a read.
I’ve got it up to read later.
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-18/federal-budget-reply-peter-dutton-simple-dangerous-politics/103862262Well worth a read.
Thanks Michael, it is a good read.
I hope someone can reduce it to a few nice sound bites for the average punter to digest. Which is what Dutton and co rely on, that his easy sound bite (with attendant misinformation) gets more traction than a Laura Tingle article.
ruby said:
Michael V said:
Well worth a read.
Thanks Michael, it is a good read.
I hope someone can reduce it to a few nice sound bites for the average punter to digest. Which is what Dutton and co rely on, that his easy sound bite (with attendant misinformation) gets more traction than a Laura Tingle article.
Have been wondering how the chaos agents seem to have catchier memememers than the people trying to improve things.
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SCIENCE said:
see
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:see
IMO the artist who painted those portraits as he saw them should take the advice “Should have gone to Spec Savers”
They’re terrible portraits.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:see
IMO the artist who painted those portraits as he saw them should take the advice “Should have gone to Spec Savers”They’re terrible portraits.
I’d hope that he’s using a good deal of ‘caricature’ in them, and that they don’t represent the full extent of his artistic abilities.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:IMO the artist who painted those portraits as he saw them should take the advice “Should have gone to Spec Savers”
They’re terrible portraits.
I’d hope that he’s using a good deal of ‘caricature’ in them, and that they don’t represent the full extent of his artistic abilities.
It’s a minor masterpiece of bad art, as befits its subject.
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
SCIENCE said:see
IMO the artist who painted those portraits as he saw them should take the advice “Should have gone to Spec Savers”They’re terrible portraits.
I think they are caricatures.
ruby said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-18/federal-budget-reply-peter-dutton-simple-dangerous-politics/103862262Well worth a read.
Thanks Michael, it is a good read.
I hope someone can reduce it to a few nice sound bites for the average punter to digest. Which is what Dutton and co rely on, that his easy sound bite (with attendant misinformation) gets more traction than a Laura Tingle article.
Unprincipled opposition with an unprincipled leader
Ian said:
ruby said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-18/federal-budget-reply-peter-dutton-simple-dangerous-politics/103862262Well worth a read.
Thanks Michael, it is a good read.
I hope someone can reduce it to a few nice sound bites for the average punter to digest. Which is what Dutton and co rely on, that his easy sound bite (with attendant misinformation) gets more traction than a Laura Tingle article.
Unprincipled opposition with an unprincipled leader
Ian said:
ruby said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-18/federal-budget-reply-peter-dutton-simple-dangerous-politics/103862262Well worth a read.
Thanks Michael, it is a good read.
I hope someone can reduce it to a few nice sound bites for the average punter to digest. Which is what Dutton and co rely on, that his easy sound bite (with attendant misinformation) gets more traction than a Laura Tingle article.
Unprincipled opposition with an unprincipled leader
Deep structural problems that have been brewing for decades because nobody has had the guts to do anything about it. Sloganeering ain’t gunna fix it now.
Ian said:
ruby said:
Michael V said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-18/federal-budget-reply-peter-dutton-simple-dangerous-politics/103862262Well worth a read.
Thanks Michael, it is a good read.
I hope someone can reduce it to a few nice sound bites for the average punter to digest. Which is what Dutton and co rely on, that his easy sound bite (with attendant misinformation) gets more traction than a Laura Tingle article.
Unprincipled opposition with an unprincipled leader
He’s a nazi arsehole, or nartzole.
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:
ruby said:Thanks Michael, it is a good read.
I hope someone can reduce it to a few nice sound bites for the average punter to digest. Which is what Dutton and co rely on, that his easy sound bite (with attendant misinformation) gets more traction than a Laura Tingle article.
Unprincipled opposition with an unprincipled leader
He’s a nazi arsehole, or nartzole.
He’s a Qld archetype, ‘ a mug-lair copper’, who discovered that you can take that shtick and play it up big in federal politics.
captain_spalding said:
Bubblecar said:
Ian said:Unprincipled opposition with an unprincipled leader
He’s a nazi arsehole, or nartzole.
He’s a Qld archetype, ‘ a mug-lair copper’, who discovered that you can take that shtick and play it up big in federal politics.
Not long ago he was very enthusiastic about scoring an influx of white farmers from South Africa – “They are just like us.”
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.
Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Yes, the nation is not properly organised even for the current population.
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
ecigarettes was supposed to be the answer to the smoking crisis.
Peak Warming Man said:
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
ecigarettes was supposed to be the answer to the smoking crisis.
Ok, let’s all make fun of my typos….
“The fingerprints of climate change are all over a budget navigating an economy in transition.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-18/federal-budget-2024-climate-hange-impacts/103847322
party_pants said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
IMO the artist who painted those portraits as he saw them should take the advice “Should have gone to Spec Savers”
They’re terrible portraits.
I think they are caricatures.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Tamb said:
IMO the artist who painted those portraits as he saw them should take the advice “Should have gone to Spec Savers”
They’re terrible portraits.
I’d hope that he’s using a good deal of ‘caricature’ in them, and that they don’t represent the full extent of his artistic abilities.
Tell That To Pablo Ruiz 
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Why can’t it be both?
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.
Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Why can’t it be both?
Or Neither ¡
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.
Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
We invite everyone including ourselves to give a reasonable breakdown of the causality including whether causes are necessary or sufficient or partial or component with some kind of quantitative analysis backing.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
One thing I’ve not seen mentioned is the option to provide special visas for those engaged in the building trade. We already categorise immigration on the needs of the domestic employment market and it would certainly help the construction industry if there were more workers to actually build all the new accomodation we need to ease the housing crisis.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
One thing I’ve not seen mentioned is the option to provide special visas for those engaged in the building trade. We already categorise immigration on the needs of the domestic employment market and it would certainly help the construction industry if there were more workers to actually build all the new accomodation we need to ease the housing crisis.
Given the spate of building company collapses lately, isn’t the cost of materials the prohibitive factor of construction at the moment? Not the availability of some coolies?
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
One thing I’ve not seen mentioned is the option to provide special visas for those engaged in the building trade. We already categorise immigration on the needs of the domestic employment market and it would certainly help the construction industry if there were more workers to actually build all the new accomodation we need to ease the housing crisis.
There is a scheme in WA. The State government to provide assistance for 4000 skilled construction workers. So far only a coupla-hundred have taken up the offer.
poikilotherm said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
One thing I’ve not seen mentioned is the option to provide special visas for those engaged in the building trade. We already categorise immigration on the needs of the domestic employment market and it would certainly help the construction industry if there were more workers to actually build all the new accomodation we need to ease the housing crisis.
Given the spate of building company collapses lately, isn’t the cost of materials the prohibitive factor of construction at the moment? Not the availability of some coolies?
I’m not sure but that is certainly a factor. I don’t really know why the cost of materials hasn’t fallen to pre-covid levels.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
I think that the root cause is there is no political will to put taxes up and infrastructure loses out to things like Hospitals, Police, Defence and pork barrels.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
I think that the root cause is there is no political will to put taxes up and infrastructure loses out to things like Hospitals, Police, Defence and pork barrels.
The root cause is no political will to properly tax those who are not being taxed in the way that they should be.
Michael V said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why can’t it be both?
It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
I think that the root cause is there is no political will to put taxes up and infrastructure loses out to things like Hospitals, Police, Defence and pork barrels.
I think it is because there is no political will to “interfere with the market” and create affordable housing within affluent suburbs. We leave it to the market and we get a market distribution, then complain about it. Affluent areas still need lots of low and semi-skilled people to do all of those jobs that are necessary for the proper functioning of society, but those people are separated from where they work by the need to find affordable accommodation further afield. Thus long commutes and traffic congestion etc.
Our immigration policy tends to focus on importing highly skilled people, so cutting that intake is not going to solve the geographic distribution of affordable housing.
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
I think that the root cause is there is no political will to put taxes up and infrastructure loses out to things like Hospitals, Police, Defence and pork barrels.
Our immigration policy tends to focus on importing highly skilled people, so cutting that intake is not going to solve the geographic distribution of affordable housing.
Yea, it’s tough to find an Menulog driver these days.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
party_pants said:It is a complex world full of nuance and overlap. But there is root cause and there are minor contributing factors. So if you want to lump of all them together without weighting then you could say is it both. But i think that would be misleading.
I think that the root cause is there is no political will to put taxes up and infrastructure loses out to things like Hospitals, Police, Defence and pork barrels.
The root cause is no political will to properly tax those who are not being taxed in the way that they should be.
Ultimately if we were serious about fixing issues around housing we’d have cities that were built up, and not out. but that would mean a lot of very wealth property owners would have to give up their houses and accept apartment buildings in their place.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:I think that the root cause is there is no political will to put taxes up and infrastructure loses out to things like Hospitals, Police, Defence and pork barrels.
The root cause is no political will to properly tax those who are not being taxed in the way that they should be.
Ultimately if we were serious about fixing issues around housing we’d have cities that were built up, and not out. but that would mean a lot of very wealth property owners would have to give up their houses and accept apartment buildings in their place.
I don’t think it is going to be resolved by retro-fitting our largest cities to a new economic model. I think we nee to build new cities run on a different economic model to take some of the pressure off the major cities.
I’m thinking compact cites, not sprawl. Pretty much the city owning all the land and leasing or renting it, on a secure long term basis. The city should have an income model not based up rates derived from land values. No elected local councils either, filled with NIMBYs protecting their property values. They could be corporate (for-profit) entities, or they could be state-owned not-for-profit trusts. It would be up to them to attract residents and businesses as best they see fit.
Far canal, how can such a moron get elected. :(
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:The root cause is no political will to properly tax those who are not being taxed in the way that they should be.
Ultimately if we were serious about fixing issues around housing we’d have cities that were built up, and not out. but that would mean a lot of very wealth property owners would have to give up their houses and accept apartment buildings in their place.
I don’t think it is going to be resolved by retro-fitting our largest cities to a new economic model. I think we nee to build new cities run on a different economic model to take some of the pressure off the major cities.
I’m thinking compact cites, not sprawl. Pretty much the city owning all the land and leasing or renting it, on a secure long term basis. The city should have an income model not based up rates derived from land values. No elected local councils either, filled with NIMBYs protecting their property values. They could be corporate (for-profit) entities, or they could be state-owned not-for-profit trusts. It would be up to them to attract residents and businesses as best they see fit.
that’s great, but it’s not as though Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane are going to stop being major job centres
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The problem is not immigration, it is bad city planning and infrastructure investment. High house prices, cost of living, and traffic congestion are the long terms outcomes of bad policy. Temporary restrictions on immigration is not going to make much of a difference without addressing some of the fundamental drivers of the “crisis”.Things will still get worse, even if all immigration is estopped.
Why can’t it be both?
Immigrants in Australia tend to be young and more able to work in construction, mining, materials and transport sectors, and hence if properly managed immigration should reduce the housing problem.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-13/cumberland-city-council-book-ban-threatens-erase-queer-families/103836256
Cumberland council passes motion to ban books that mention same sex marriage from libraries, NSW govt hints that this may result in loss of library funding as it breaks antidiscrimination laws.
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-13/cumberland-city-council-book-ban-threatens-erase-queer-families/103836256Cumberland council passes motion to ban books that mention same sex marriage from libraries, NSW govt hints that this may result in loss of library funding as it breaks antidiscrimination laws.
Last I heard, the council came to its senses and reversed the ban.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Cumberland council passes motion to ban books that mention same sex marriage from libraries, NSW govt hints that this may result in loss of library funding as it breaks antidiscrimination laws.
Last I heard, the council came to its senses and reversed the ban.
Ah but did you hear on 2024-05-13¿
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-13/cumberland-city-council-book-ban-threatens-erase-queer-families/103836256Cumberland council passes motion to ban books that mention same sex marriage from libraries, NSW govt hints that this may result in loss of library funding as it breaks antidiscrimination laws.
Last I heard, the council came to its senses and reversed the ban.
That may be right, I’m catching up on the last few days’ news
No but Corruption said
it’s those dirty FOREIGN students’ fault, so it must be true.
SCIENCE said:
No but Corruption said
it’s those dirty FOREIGN students’ fault, so it must be true.
Is it true though?
When my kids were at uni everyone they knew either lived in their parents’ home or an open market rental property.
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:No but Corruption said
it’s those dirty FOREIGN students’ fault, so it must be true.
Is it true though?
When my kids were at uni everyone they knew either lived in their parents’ home or an open market rental property.
yes, the vast majority of _international__ students that attend universities in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth live in student accommodation…
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:No but Corruption said
it’s those dirty FOREIGN students’ fault, so it must be true.
Is it true though?
When my kids were at uni everyone they knew either lived in their parents’ home or an open market rental property.
yes, the vast majority of _international__ students that attend universities in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth live in student accommodation…
and Canberra
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
No but Corruption said
it’s those dirty FOREIGN students’ fault, so it must be true.
Is it true though?
When my kids were at uni everyone they knew either lived in their parents’ home or an open market rental property.
Presumably even the second reference to “students” should be taken to mean international students and also we can barely recall the last time we even spoke to an international student but back when we knew some a good number of them did seem to be in residential colleges. Like you say, some were with family, and others in market rental though we got a sense that the rentals were situated close to the institution and owners were specifically catering to students and they would often live at much higher densities than the typical Australian sprawler. Times do change though so shrug.
SCIENCE said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
SCIENCE said:
No but Corruption said
it’s those dirty FOREIGN students’ fault, so it must be true.
Is it true though?
When my kids were at uni everyone they knew either lived in their parents’ home or an open market rental property.
Presumably even the second reference to “students” should be taken to mean international students and also we can barely recall the last time we even spoke to an international student but back when we knew some a good number of them did seem to be in residential colleges. Like you say, some were with family, and others in market rental though we got a sense that the rentals were situated close to the institution and owners were specifically catering to students and they would often live at much higher densities than the typical Australian sprawler. Times do change though so shrug.
For the most part international students tend not to live at traditional residential colleges; this style of accommodation is more aimed at regional domestic students or metropolitan domestic students wanting the full “university experience”. A lot of international students reside in larger scale, purpose built, apartments that are mostly provided by external companies like Scape, Yugo, and UniLodge or privately owned apartments in purpose built complexes located close to the universities. That said, most of the Go8 universities are also starting to invest in purpose built accommodation for international students.
There are of course international students that come from wealthy families that havve bought apartment for the their children to live in, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Is it true though?
When my kids were at uni everyone they knew either lived in their parents’ home or an open market rental property.
Presumably even the second reference to “students” should be taken to mean international students and also we can barely recall the last time we even spoke to an international student but back when we knew some a good number of them did seem to be in residential colleges. Like you say, some were with family, and others in market rental though we got a sense that the rentals were situated close to the institution and owners were specifically catering to students and they would often live at much higher densities than the typical Australian sprawler. Times do change though so shrug.
There are of course international students that come from wealthy families that havve bought apartment for the their children to live in, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
When my older sister taught high school in Killara there were many international students living in large homes with only a housekeeper, their parents lived in another country. Home bought by parents. My sister would often go around to visit the kids to congratulate them in person when they achieved good HSC results, as they were alone. This was back in the 1970s/80s.
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:The Rev Dodgson said:
Is it true though?
When my kids were at uni everyone they knew either lived in their parents’ home or an open market rental property.
Presumably even the second reference to “students” should be taken to mean international students and also we can barely recall the last time we even spoke to an international student but back when we knew some a good number of them did seem to be in residential colleges. Like you say, some were with family, and others in market rental though we got a sense that the rentals were situated close to the institution and owners were specifically catering to students and they would often live at much higher densities than the typical Australian sprawler. Times do change though so shrug.
For the most part international students tend not to live at traditional residential colleges; this style of accommodation is more aimed at regional domestic students or metropolitan domestic students wanting the full “university experience”. A lot of international students reside in larger scale, purpose built, apartments that are mostly provided by external companies like Scape, Yugo, and UniLodge or privately owned apartments in purpose built complexes located close to the universities. That said, most of the Go8 universities are also starting to invest in purpose built accommodation for international students.
There are of course international students that come from wealthy families that havve bought apartment for the their children to live in, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:Presumably even the second reference to “students” should be taken to mean international students and also we can barely recall the last time we even spoke to an international student but back when we knew some a good number of them did seem to be in residential colleges. Like you say, some were with family, and others in market rental though we got a sense that the rentals were situated close to the institution and owners were specifically catering to students and they would often live at much higher densities than the typical Australian sprawler. Times do change though so shrug.
For the most part international students tend not to live at traditional residential colleges; this style of accommodation is more aimed at regional domestic students or metropolitan domestic students wanting the full “university experience”. A lot of international students reside in larger scale, purpose built, apartments that are mostly provided by external companies like Scape, Yugo, and UniLodge or privately owned apartments in purpose built complexes located close to the universities. That said, most of the Go8 universities are also starting to invest in purpose built accommodation for international students.
There are of course international students that come from wealthy families that havve bought apartment for the their children to live in, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
I think the latter is a BIG issue.. short term rentals are a huge issue for availability of properties.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:For the most part international students tend not to live at traditional residential colleges; this style of accommodation is more aimed at regional domestic students or metropolitan domestic students wanting the full “university experience”. A lot of international students reside in larger scale, purpose built, apartments that are mostly provided by external companies like Scape, Yugo, and UniLodge or privately owned apartments in purpose built complexes located close to the universities. That said, most of the Go8 universities are also starting to invest in purpose built accommodation for international students.
There are of course international students that come from wealthy families that havve bought apartment for the their children to live in, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
I think the latter is a BIG issue.. short term rentals are a huge issue for availability of properties.
Yeah, how come airbnb rarely comes up in these discussions? That must be having a significant effect on the problem.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
I think the latter is a BIG issue.. short term rentals are a huge issue for availability of properties.
Yeah, how come airbnb rarely comes up in these discussions? That must be having a significant effect on the problem.
because it’s easy to point the finger at an amorphous “them” as being the root cause of the problem as opposed to “mun and dad property investors”
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
I think the latter is a BIG issue.. short term rentals are a huge issue for availability of properties.
Yeah, how come airbnb rarely comes up in these discussions? That must be having a significant effect on the problem.
I also find it kinda ironic that the solution to short-term rentals is to legislate that they cap the number of days the property can be lived in and by extension the properties stay vacant for longer. Makes me wonder if all that will happen is that the cost of short term rentals will increase to fill the shortfall.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
SCIENCE said:
Presumably even the second reference to “students” should be taken to mean international students and also we can barely recall the last time we even spoke to an international student but back when we knew some a good number of them did seem to be in residential colleges. Like you say, some were with family, and others in market rental though we got a sense that the rentals were situated close to the institution and owners were specifically catering to students and they would often live at much higher densities than the typical Australian sprawler. Times do change though so shrug.
For the most part international students tend not to live at traditional residential colleges; this style of accommodation is more aimed at regional domestic students or metropolitan domestic students wanting the full “university experience”. A lot of international students reside in larger scale, purpose built, apartments that are mostly provided by external companies like Scape, Yugo, and UniLodge or privately owned apartments in purpose built complexes located close to the universities. That said, most of the Go8 universities are also starting to invest in purpose built accommodation for international students.
There are of course international students that come from wealthy families that havve bought apartment for the their children to live in, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
So people complaining about the cost of rental should stfu and become students.
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:For the most part international students tend not to live at traditional residential colleges; this style of accommodation is more aimed at regional domestic students or metropolitan domestic students wanting the full “university experience”. A lot of international students reside in larger scale, purpose built, apartments that are mostly provided by external companies like Scape, Yugo, and UniLodge or privately owned apartments in purpose built complexes located close to the universities. That said, most of the Go8 universities are also starting to invest in purpose built accommodation for international students.
There are of course international students that come from wealthy families that havve bought apartment for the their children to live in, but this is the exception, rather than the rule.
Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
I think the latter is a BIG issue.. short term rentals are a huge issue for availability of properties.
The house behind us is only occupied two or three weeks a year. And I’d reckon it’s not the only one in the village.
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Wherever they live, they have to live somewhere, and that increases the demand for low cost accommodation, and that increases the rent.
That’s not a reason to be mad at them though, any more than it’s a reason to be mad at anybody else.
The people to be mad at are the people who didn’t plan to have sufficient low cost accommodation for everybody who needs it, even though the future demand is easy to work out.
Oh, I suppose we could be a bit mad at people who intentionally keep accommodation empty as well.
I think the latter is a BIG issue.. short term rentals are a huge issue for availability of properties.
The house behind us is only occupied two or three weeks a year. And I’d reckon it’s not the only one in the village.
Landlords want a tax break.
Michael V said:
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:I think the latter is a BIG issue.. short term rentals are a huge issue for availability of properties.
The house behind us is only occupied two or three weeks a year. And I’d reckon it’s not the only one in the village.
Landlords want a tax break.
Yeah, negative gearing is soooo 1990s.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
Michael V said:The house behind us is only occupied two or three weeks a year. And I’d reckon it’s not the only one in the village.
Landlords want a tax break.
Yeah, negative gearing is soooo 1990s.
This about Qld Land Tax.
dv said:
Snigger.
dv said:
Lololol 😆
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:Landlords want a tax break.
Yeah, negative gearing is soooo 1990s.
This about Qld Land Tax.
Yeah, i know, but it’s so passé to be just getting federal tax breaks.
dv said:
I’ve been to Roy Hill.. they could have least made the dirt red…
This article raises a timely question.
If drivers can be fined, in Canada, Australia, and elsewhere for using their mobile phones while driving (according to the local definition of ‘using’), then do the laws need to be updated to address the distractions built into current-day cars in the form of touch screens?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-can-i-get-a-ticket-just-because-my-phone-is-in-the-cupholder/
captain_spalding said:
This article raises a timely question.If drivers can be fined, in Canada, Australia, and elsewhere for using their mobile phones while driving (according to the local definition of ‘using’), then do the laws need to be updated to address the distractions built into current-day cars in the form of touch screens?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-can-i-get-a-ticket-just-because-my-phone-is-in-the-cupholder/
Actually, that should probably be in ‘Chat’.
captain_spalding said:
This article raises a timely question.If drivers can be fined, in Canada, Australia, and elsewhere for using their mobile phones while driving (according to the local definition of ‘using’), then do the laws need to be updated to address the distractions built into current-day cars in the form of touch screens?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-can-i-get-a-ticket-just-because-my-phone-is-in-the-cupholder/
I haven’t read the article but it is a good question, particularly if say some old bloke isn’t familiar with the system and is say fiddling with it.
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
This article raises a timely question.If drivers can be fined, in Canada, Australia, and elsewhere for using their mobile phones while driving (according to the local definition of ‘using’), then do the laws need to be updated to address the distractions built into current-day cars in the form of touch screens?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-can-i-get-a-ticket-just-because-my-phone-is-in-the-cupholder/
I haven’t read the article but it is a good question, particularly if say some old bloke isn’t familiar with the system and is say fiddling with it.
Technically, drivers are to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times whilst driving. Adjusting anything whilst driving illegal. Simply pull over and stop to adjust stuff.
Mrs V’s car has the important things that need adjusting as buttons on the steering wheel’s spokes.
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
This article raises a timely question.
If drivers can be fined, in Canada, Australia, and elsewhere for using their mobile phones while driving (according to the local definition of ‘using’), then do the laws need to be updated to address the distractions built into current-day cars in the form of touch screens?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-can-i-get-a-ticket-just-because-my-phone-is-in-the-cupholder/
I haven’t read the article but it is a good question, particularly if say some old bloke isn’t familiar with the system and is say fiddling with it.
Technically, drivers are to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times whilst driving. Adjusting anything whilst driving illegal. Simply pull over and stop to adjust stuff.
Mrs V’s car has the important things that need adjusting as buttons on the steering wheel’s spokes.
¿ref
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
This article raises a timely question.If drivers can be fined, in Canada, Australia, and elsewhere for using their mobile phones while driving (according to the local definition of ‘using’), then do the laws need to be updated to address the distractions built into current-day cars in the form of touch screens?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/drive/culture/article-can-i-get-a-ticket-just-because-my-phone-is-in-the-cupholder/
I haven’t read the article but it is a good question, particularly if say some old bloke isn’t familiar with the system and is say fiddling with it.
Technically, drivers are to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times whilst driving. Adjusting anything whilst driving illegal. Simply pull over and stop to adjust stuff.
Mrs V’s car has the important things that need adjusting as buttons on the steering wheel’s spokes.
I’m note sure that’s true MV… When driving a manual car you need to have one had on the wheel and the other on the gear stick.
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:
Peak Warming Man said:I haven’t read the article but it is a good question, particularly if say some old bloke isn’t familiar with the system and is say fiddling with it.
Technically, drivers are to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times whilst driving. Adjusting anything whilst driving illegal. Simply pull over and stop to adjust stuff.
Mrs V’s car has the important things that need adjusting as buttons on the steering wheel’s spokes.
I’m note sure that’s true MV… When driving a manual car you need to have one had on the wheel and the other on the gear stick.
The other hand is only momentarily on the gearstick and you don’t look at the gear stick when changing gears.
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:
Michael V said:Technically, drivers are to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times whilst driving. Adjusting anything whilst driving illegal. Simply pull over and stop to adjust stuff.
Mrs V’s car has the important things that need adjusting as buttons on the steering wheel’s spokes.
I’m note sure that’s true MV… When driving a manual car you need to have one had on the wheel and the other on the gear stick.
The other hand is only momentarily on the gearstick and you don’t look at the gear stick when changing gears.
Wait, youse are touching the steering wheel with your hands? Seems unhygienic. This is why Jesus invented knees.
dv said:
Michael V said:
diddly-squat said:I’m note sure that’s true MV… When driving a manual car you need to have one had on the wheel and the other on the gear stick.
The other hand is only momentarily on the gearstick and you don’t look at the gear stick when changing gears.
Wait, youse are touching the steering wheel with your hands? Seems unhygienic. This is why Jesus invented knees.
Jesus wasn’t even an ankle biter when knees were invented.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
Michael V said:The other hand is only momentarily on the gearstick and you don’t look at the gear stick when changing gears.
Wait, youse are touching the steering wheel with your hands? Seems unhygienic. This is why Jesus invented knees.
Jesus wasn’t even an ankle biter when knees were invented.
This is for inflexibles, Real Men use their feet on the wheel, pedals be damned.
Murder-suicide in Lismore:
“Deputy Commissioner Thurtell said the man “was known to police for previous DV matters, but not significant issues”.”
“Not significant?” WTAF? Has the deputy commissioner not been made aware of what the end result of DV too often is?
OCDC said:
Murder-suicide in Lismore:
“Deputy Commissioner Thurtell said the man “was known to police for previous DV matters, but not significant issues”.”“Not significant?” WTAF? Has the deputy commissioner not been made aware of what the end result of DV too often is?
Just read that. Killing the child is the worst domestic violence.
OCDC said:
Murder-suicide in Lismore:
“Deputy Commissioner Thurtell said the man “was known to police for previous DV matters, but not significant issues”.”“Not significant?” WTAF? Has the deputy commissioner not been made aware of what the end result of DV too often is?
Probably hasn’t sunk in.
Michael V said:
OCDC said:
Murder-suicide in Lismore:
“Deputy Commissioner Thurtell said the man “was known to police for previous DV matters, but not significant issues”.”“Not significant?” WTAF? Has the deputy commissioner not been made aware of what the end result of DV too often is?
Probably hasn’t sunk in.
They raided a heap of homes in NSW in a blitz on DV.
OCDC said:
Murder-suicide in Lismore:
“Deputy Commissioner Thurtell said the man “was known to police for previous DV matters, but not significant issues”.”“Not significant?” WTAF? Has the deputy commissioner not been made aware of what the end result of DV too often is?
Someone will be treading on Deputy Commissioner Thurtell’s toes.
I’d forgotten how nice Arnotts Shredded Wheat biscuits are.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
OCDC said:
Murder-suicide in Lismore:
“Deputy Commissioner Thurtell said the man “was known to police for previous DV matters, but not significant issues”.”“Not significant?” WTAF? Has the deputy commissioner not been made aware of what the end result of DV too often is?
Probably hasn’t sunk in.
They raided a heap of homes in NSW in a blitz on DV.
Maybe they just decided it was mild™.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’d forgotten how nice Arnotts Shredded Wheat biscuits are.
with a bit of butter.
Peak Warming Man said:
I’d forgotten how nice Arnotts Shredded Wheat biscuits are.
Going to have them with a cup of tea?
MATTERS OF STATE
The Examiner
Ministers finally giving answers (mostly) in new question time
Friday May 17, 2024
Tasmanian parliament sat for the first time this year on May 14.
The new parliament’s first question time since the March election was refreshing.
This was not because there were 10 more House of Assembly members on the floor and a new speaker in the chair from the opposition.
It could well be because of the new governing arrangement for the Liberals, stitched together with a firm agreement with the Jacqui Lambie Network and to a lesser extent parliament’s three independents.
More obviously, it was due to the new structure of question time.
Under the new rules on Wednesday, all members off the government benches roughly had one question allocated to them or their party and two questions remained over the session for anyone who got to their feet first.
Government members no longer could ask ministers inane questions over the government’s successes in whichever area and a new concept of constituent questions had been introduced, with written responses required to these within 30 days.
Another important change, which we are yet to see, is to private members time, where opposition parties and independents have the opportunity to move motions and bring on legislation for a vote.
This will go for longer on Wednesdays from now on.
Parliament’s question time also went for longer this week due to a new rule that Leader of Government Business Eric Abetz claimed was an oversight and an error and swiftly acted to have it changed.
Under the new orders, which were eventually amended with support from the three Jacqui Lambie Network members and independent David O’Byrne, question time could run for 90 minutes until every party and independent had asked their allocation of questions.
As independent Craig Garland did not rise to ask a question, Labor and the Greens particularly took advantage of the extra time and peppered ministers with questions that otherwise would not have been permitted until another session.
Arguing against an amendment to strike out the new rule, Labor and Greens members praised the session as the best they had been involved in during their time in parliament as questions were, in fact, actually answered.
Greens deputy leader Vica Bayley mentioned the new question time gave members more opportunity to follow up questions they believed were not substantially answered in the first and even the second instances.
Labor leader Dean Winter implored JLN members to not support the government’s amendment, saying they might not see the need for them to have the ability to ask more questions now, but they would in six months’ time.
After the vote, Labor’s Shane Broad criticised the JLN for not even speaking to the motion to prevent an extended question time before they voted in favour of it.
“The government was made to answer questions, and for the most part they obliged,” he said.
“Realising that they would be made to answer questions for the remainder of this term, they asked themselves what they could do to change the rules.
“A government being made to answer more questions, can only be a good thing for democracy – particularly when that government has developed a strong reputation for avoiding scrutiny.”
It would be difficult to see how Labor, in particular, and the Greens, to a lesser extent, could come up with enough decent questions for the government each question time to make it regularly worthwhile.
It could actually work against them if ministers responded with short answers as a tactic to run them out of questions and embarrass them.
A series of weak and frivolous questions could also leave them open to attack.
Political commentator Kevin Bonham made an apt point on social media that containing question time to 60 minutes was no big problem as it was no longer “bloated” by Dorothy Dixers.
Whatever the case, the first two sessions of question time have been shown to be a lot more productive and fair than has been in the past, whether it runs for 60 minutes or 90 minutes.
LOL
The Future Made in Australia program will invest over $22 billion in establishing or developing advanced manufacturing in strategically important industries of the future. Do you in principle support or oppose this policy approach aimed at making more things in Australia? An overwhelming majority — 87 per cent — told YouGov they support the policy.
Now Do $368 Billion For Self-Sinking Ships
SCIENCE said:
LOL
The Future Made in Australia program will invest over $22 billion in establishing or developing advanced manufacturing in strategically important industries of the future. Do you in principle support or oppose this policy approach aimed at making more things in Australia? An overwhelming majority — 87 per cent — told YouGov they support the policy.
Now Do $368 Billion For Self-Sinking Ships
A lot of money, but it does annoy the Chinese, so it has that going for it.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
The Future Made in Australia program will invest over $22 billion in establishing or developing advanced manufacturing in strategically important industries of the future. Do you in principle support or oppose this policy approach aimed at making more things in Australia? An overwhelming majority — 87 per cent — told YouGov they support the policy.
Now Do $368 Billion For Self-Sinking Ships
A lot of money, but it does annoy the Chinese, so it has that going for it.
These ships, are they going to be Future Made In Australia ¿
Honestly if we wanted to annoy Made In CHINAese and had $368000000000 to splash around we would be thinking about how to build infrastructure that lets us locally process the stuff we locally dig up, and then locally manufacture stuff so that we could label them locally made and locally profit from selling them wherever they’re sold¡
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
LOL
The Future Made in Australia program will invest over $22 billion in establishing or developing advanced manufacturing in strategically important industries of the future. Do you in principle support or oppose this policy approach aimed at making more things in Australia? An overwhelming majority — 87 per cent — told YouGov they support the policy.
Now Do $368 Billion For Self-Sinking Ships
A lot of money, but it does annoy the Chinese, so it has that going for it.
These ships, are they going to be Future Made In Australia ¿
Honestly if we wanted to annoy Made In CHINAese and had $368000000000 to splash around we would be thinking about how to build infrastructure that lets us locally process the stuff we locally dig up, and then locally manufacture stuff so that we could label them locally made and locally profit from selling them wherever they’re sold¡
We don’t have a big enough domestic market to do that, so it would all have to be for export.
We also don’t have a large enough labour pool to do the manufacturing, so we’ll have to import those.
In other words, immigration and massive population increase.
BIG AUSTRALIA!
Some forumers would have heart palpitations just reading those words.
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
A lot of money, but it does annoy the Chinese, so it has that going for it.
These ships, are they going to be Future Made In Australia ¿
Honestly if we wanted to annoy Made In CHINAese and had $368000000000 to splash around we would be thinking about how to build infrastructure that lets us locally process the stuff we locally dig up, and then locally manufacture stuff so that we could label them locally made and locally profit from selling them wherever they’re sold¡
We don’t have a big enough domestic market to do that, so it would all have to be for export.
We also don’t have a large enough labour pool to do the manufacturing, so we’ll have to import those.In other words, immigration and massive population increase.
BIG AUSTRALIA!
Some forumers would have heart palpitations just reading those words.
We think that standards of living improve with improvements in (relative) productivity…
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
A lot of money, but it does annoy the Chinese, so it has that going for it.
These ships, are they going to be Future Made In Australia ¿
Honestly if we wanted to annoy Made In CHINAese and had $368000000000 to splash around we would be thinking about how to build infrastructure that lets us locally process the stuff we locally dig up, and then locally manufacture stuff so that we could label them locally made and locally profit from selling them wherever they’re sold¡
We don’t have a big enough domestic market to do that, so it would all have to be for export.
We also don’t have a large enough labour pool to do the manufacturing, so we’ll have to import those.In other words, immigration and massive population increase.
BIG AUSTRALIA!
Some forumers would have heart palpitations just reading those words.
To do any of that we firstly would have to establish far better drinking water infrastructure security for the intended larger population. We would also have to have created a better strucured renewable energy supply, not dependent on coal oil and gas.
There’s that totally-not-western-owned “social” media doing its
totally not political slash election interference thing again.
SCIENCE said:
There’s that totally-not-western-owned “social” media doing its
totally not political slash election interference thing again.
:)
dv said:
It would be like being able to go to war but not able to drink
Cymek said:
dv said:
It would be like being able to go to war but not able to drink
We swear we read that as social media gamers but anyway war is just a game anyway so shrug.
Cymek said:
dv said:
It would be like being able to go to war but not able to drink
We swear we read that as social media gamers but anyway war is just a game anyway so shrug.
Editor Points Out That Corruption And Communism Are The Same Thing
SCIENCE said:
Editor Points Out That Corruption And Communism Are The Same Thing
Yeah
Turns out the sun is shining right now. Oops.
Anyway, Morrison is being chummy with Dr Phil. So that’s nice.
kii said:
Anyway, Morrison is being chummy with Dr Phil. So that’s nice.
He befriends all the best people
So maybe the statistic is a bullshit statistic and they’re just trying to push some agenda
Under the NSW Mental Health Act, involuntary admission is only allowed if the person has a mental illness and “there is no other available and less restrictive way of preventing serious harm” to that person or to another.
In a statement NSW Health said mental healthcare was most appropriately provided in the community, to avoid the need for emergency hospital care. “NSW Health is committed to providing the best possible mental health care and treatment in the least restrictive way for every community member regardless of race or ethnicity,” a spokesperson said. “Understanding the reasons for involuntary hospital admission will help NSW Health identify ways to improve the delivery of mental health care and reduce involuntary admission where possible.”
Despite a desire to reduce the practice in NSW, data from the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW) shows 53 per cent of all hospitalisations for mental health care were involuntary. It is a rate that hasn’t changed since 2019, based on the most up-to-date available data.
because the fraction of hospitalisations for mental health care that should be involuntary is 100%, since “mental healthcare was most appropriately provided in the community” and they should always be looking for any “other available and less restrictive way of preventing serious harm”.
Don’t stay in hospital unless you need it. Fucking come on.
It rebegins¡
Small businesses, the backbone of our communities right across Australia, are buckling under the weight repeated interest rate hikes — 12 since Labor came to power,” Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor told the National Press Club in Canberra on Wednesday.
SCIENCE said:
It rebegins¡
Small businesses, the backbone of our communities right across Australia, are buckling under the weight repeated interest rate hikes — 12 since Labor came to power,” Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor told the National Press Club in Canberra on Wednesday.
Saw bits of that yesterday.
That bloke makes Dutton look good.
Quite an achievement.
SCIENCE said:
It rebegins¡
Small businesses, the backbone of our communities right across Australia, are buckling under the weight repeated interest rate hikes — 12 since Labor came to power,” Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor told the National Press Club in Canberra on Wednesday.
Any noise that issues from Angus Taylor can safely be filed under the heading ‘Lies’.
The government has released its National Battery Strategy, aiming to make Australia competitive in producing batteries. Half a billion dollars has been committed to encouraging battery production, but how that money will be used is still being determined.
Oh we know, we know¡ The first $400M of it can go to selected energy industry owners of means of production, the ones with the loudest voices and the ugliest pictures and the biggest holes in the ground, and then we can talk about the remaining few¡
Australia’s Republican movement is leaderless, after co-chair Craig Foster said he would follow his fellow co-chair Nova Peris out the door. At the heart of the sudden departures is the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Outgoing co-chair of the Australian Republican Movement Craig Foster told RN Breakfast he was planning to depart the movement, as he felt he had to “speak-up” about the situation in Gaza. He says what’s occurring is not “divisive but important”. He says Australia has lost its ability to have “difficult conversations”.
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/craig-foster-departs-republican-movement-follows-nova-peris/103882490
24 May 2024
If it wasn’t so serious, one could be forgiven for laughing
“Bob Katter’s ‘Nazi’ radio rant ’offensive and bizarre,’ Ella Haddad says
David Killick
Queensland MP Bob Katter has launched a bizarre attack on a Tasmanian Labor politician, likening her desire for better laws to prevent hate crimes to the ideology of the murderous Nazi regime
Ella Haddad, Labor’s shadow minister for multicultural affairs, told ABC radio presenter Leon Compton on Friday there was a need for legislation to protect people from the perpetrators of hate crimes.
“The police need the tools … to make sure that when they’re charged with offences that there is an ability to recognise that offending has been motivated by racial hatred or other forms of hatred,” she said.
Mr Compton’s next guest was Mr Katter — the federal member for Kennedy — who was ostensibly in Hobart to talk about a decline in retail banking, but took the opportunity to launch into Ms Haddad.
“I could feel the hatred dripping off her. She would be out there … supporting the pro-Gazan mob. Pro Gaza? They hate Jews,” he said. “They’re exactly the same people that are out there as Nazis in the 30s and 40s.
“If those great people that stood up against the Nazis later on, had stood up sooner, and realised that anti-Semitism is one of the greatest evils …
“To preach racism and then back the people that murdered 1200 people and a completely unprovoked assault upon another country, murdering little children, and then …” before being cut off by Mr Compton.
It was unclear what aspect of Ms Haddad’s comments Mr Katter was responding to as she made no mention of the current conflict in the Middle East.
Ms Haddad said Mr Katter’s comments were not only “offensive” but “utterly bizarre”.
“I am a fierce advocate for our multicultural community and have for a long time supported the calls of the Multicultural Council of Tasmania and others for stronger laws to protect against race related violence and crime,” she said.
“It’s appalling to see the recent rise in race-related violence in Hobart and I won’t hold back when it comes to standing up when I see people in our community attacked on the basis of the colour of their skin.
“I am still not sure what point Mr Katter was trying to make in his strange tirade, but I certainly won’t let his comments stop me from continuing to stand up against racism.”
sarahs mum said:
24 May 2024
If it wasn’t so serious, one could be forgiven for laughing
“Bob Katter’s ‘Nazi’ radio rant ’offensive and bizarre,’ Ella Haddad says
David KillickQueensland MP Bob Katter has launched a bizarre attack on a Tasmanian Labor politician, likening her desire for better laws to prevent hate crimes to the ideology of the murderous Nazi regime
Ella Haddad, Labor’s shadow minister for multicultural affairs, told ABC radio presenter Leon Compton on Friday there was a need for legislation to protect people from the perpetrators of hate crimes.
“The police need the tools … to make sure that when they’re charged with offences that there is an ability to recognise that offending has been motivated by racial hatred or other forms of hatred,” she said.
Mr Compton’s next guest was Mr Katter — the federal member for Kennedy — who was ostensibly in Hobart to talk about a decline in retail banking, but took the opportunity to launch into Ms Haddad.
“I could feel the hatred dripping off her. She would be out there … supporting the pro-Gazan mob. Pro Gaza? They hate Jews,” he said. “They’re exactly the same people that are out there as Nazis in the 30s and 40s.
“If those great people that stood up against the Nazis later on, had stood up sooner, and realised that anti-Semitism is one of the greatest evils …
“To preach racism and then back the people that murdered 1200 people and a completely unprovoked assault upon another country, murdering little children, and then …” before being cut off by Mr Compton.
It was unclear what aspect of Ms Haddad’s comments Mr Katter was responding to as she made no mention of the current conflict in the Middle East.
Ms Haddad said Mr Katter’s comments were not only “offensive” but “utterly bizarre”.
“I am a fierce advocate for our multicultural community and have for a long time supported the calls of the Multicultural Council of Tasmania and others for stronger laws to protect against race related violence and crime,” she said.
“It’s appalling to see the recent rise in race-related violence in Hobart and I won’t hold back when it comes to standing up when I see people in our community attacked on the basis of the colour of their skin.
“I am still not sure what point Mr Katter was trying to make in his strange tirade, but I certainly won’t let his comments stop me from continuing to stand up against racism.”
I’m not sure the Nazis were all that critical of hate crimes generally so BobKat should probably hit the books.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
24 May 2024
If it wasn’t so serious, one could be forgiven for laughing
“Bob Katter’s ‘Nazi’ radio rant ’offensive and bizarre,’ Ella Haddad says
David KillickQueensland MP Bob Katter has launched a bizarre attack on a Tasmanian Labor politician, likening her desire for better laws to prevent hate crimes to the ideology of the murderous Nazi regime
Ella Haddad, Labor’s shadow minister for multicultural affairs, told ABC radio presenter Leon Compton on Friday there was a need for legislation to protect people from the perpetrators of hate crimes.
“The police need the tools … to make sure that when they’re charged with offences that there is an ability to recognise that offending has been motivated by racial hatred or other forms of hatred,” she said.
Mr Compton’s next guest was Mr Katter — the federal member for Kennedy — who was ostensibly in Hobart to talk about a decline in retail banking, but took the opportunity to launch into Ms Haddad.
“I could feel the hatred dripping off her. She would be out there … supporting the pro-Gazan mob. Pro Gaza? They hate Jews,” he said. “They’re exactly the same people that are out there as Nazis in the 30s and 40s.
“If those great people that stood up against the Nazis later on, had stood up sooner, and realised that anti-Semitism is one of the greatest evils …
“To preach racism and then back the people that murdered 1200 people and a completely unprovoked assault upon another country, murdering little children, and then …” before being cut off by Mr Compton.
It was unclear what aspect of Ms Haddad’s comments Mr Katter was responding to as she made no mention of the current conflict in the Middle East.
Ms Haddad said Mr Katter’s comments were not only “offensive” but “utterly bizarre”.
“I am a fierce advocate for our multicultural community and have for a long time supported the calls of the Multicultural Council of Tasmania and others for stronger laws to protect against race related violence and crime,” she said.
“It’s appalling to see the recent rise in race-related violence in Hobart and I won’t hold back when it comes to standing up when I see people in our community attacked on the basis of the colour of their skin.
“I am still not sure what point Mr Katter was trying to make in his strange tirade, but I certainly won’t let his comments stop me from continuing to stand up against racism.”
I’m not sure the Nazis were all that critical of hate crimes generally so BobKat should probably hit the books.
He does seem to have missed the point by a hefty margin there.
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
24 May 2024
If it wasn’t so serious, one could be forgiven for laughing
“Bob Katter’s ‘Nazi’ radio rant ’offensive and bizarre,’ Ella Haddad says
David KillickQueensland MP Bob Katter has launched a bizarre attack on a Tasmanian Labor politician, likening her desire for better laws to prevent hate crimes to the ideology of the murderous Nazi regime
Ella Haddad, Labor’s shadow minister for multicultural affairs, told ABC radio presenter Leon Compton on Friday there was a need for legislation to protect people from the perpetrators of hate crimes.
“The police need the tools … to make sure that when they’re charged with offences that there is an ability to recognise that offending has been motivated by racial hatred or other forms of hatred,” she said.
Mr Compton’s next guest was Mr Katter — the federal member for Kennedy — who was ostensibly in Hobart to talk about a decline in retail banking, but took the opportunity to launch into Ms Haddad.
“I could feel the hatred dripping off her. She would be out there … supporting the pro-Gazan mob. Pro Gaza? They hate Jews,” he said. “They’re exactly the same people that are out there as Nazis in the 30s and 40s.
“If those great people that stood up against the Nazis later on, had stood up sooner, and realised that anti-Semitism is one of the greatest evils …
“To preach racism and then back the people that murdered 1200 people and a completely unprovoked assault upon another country, murdering little children, and then …” before being cut off by Mr Compton.
It was unclear what aspect of Ms Haddad’s comments Mr Katter was responding to as she made no mention of the current conflict in the Middle East.
Ms Haddad said Mr Katter’s comments were not only “offensive” but “utterly bizarre”.
“I am a fierce advocate for our multicultural community and have for a long time supported the calls of the Multicultural Council of Tasmania and others for stronger laws to protect against race related violence and crime,” she said.
“It’s appalling to see the recent rise in race-related violence in Hobart and I won’t hold back when it comes to standing up when I see people in our community attacked on the basis of the colour of their skin.
“I am still not sure what point Mr Katter was trying to make in his strange tirade, but I certainly won’t let his comments stop me from continuing to stand up against racism.”
I’m not sure the Nazis were all that critical of hate crimes generally so BobKat should probably hit the books.
at least he was cut off mid rant. I wonder what went down in the studio after that.
bit concerned about all these history rewrites, to be honest
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
sarahs mum said:
24 May 2024
If it wasn’t so serious, one could be forgiven for laughing
“Bob Katter’s ‘Nazi’ radio rant ’offensive and bizarre,’ Ella Haddad says
David KillickQueensland MP Bob Katter has launched a bizarre attack on a Tasmanian Labor politician, likening her desire for better laws to prevent hate crimes to the ideology of the murderous Nazi regime
Ella Haddad, Labor’s shadow minister for multicultural affairs, told ABC radio presenter Leon Compton on Friday there was a need for legislation to protect people from the perpetrators of hate crimes.
“The police need the tools … to make sure that when they’re charged with offences that there is an ability to recognise that offending has been motivated by racial hatred or other forms of hatred,” she said.
Mr Compton’s next guest was Mr Katter — the federal member for Kennedy — who was ostensibly in Hobart to talk about a decline in retail banking, but took the opportunity to launch into Ms Haddad.
“I could feel the hatred dripping off her. She would be out there … supporting the pro-Gazan mob. Pro Gaza? They hate Jews,” he said. “They’re exactly the same people that are out there as Nazis in the 30s and 40s.
“If those great people that stood up against the Nazis later on, had stood up sooner, and realised that anti-Semitism is one of the greatest evils …
“To preach racism and then back the people that murdered 1200 people and a completely unprovoked assault upon another country, murdering little children, and then …” before being cut off by Mr Compton.
It was unclear what aspect of Ms Haddad’s comments Mr Katter was responding to as she made no mention of the current conflict in the Middle East.
Ms Haddad said Mr Katter’s comments were not only “offensive” but “utterly bizarre”.
“I am a fierce advocate for our multicultural community and have for a long time supported the calls of the Multicultural Council of Tasmania and others for stronger laws to protect against race related violence and crime,” she said.
“It’s appalling to see the recent rise in race-related violence in Hobart and I won’t hold back when it comes to standing up when I see people in our community attacked on the basis of the colour of their skin.
“I am still not sure what point Mr Katter was trying to make in his strange tirade, but I certainly won’t let his comments stop me from continuing to stand up against racism.”
I’m not sure the Nazis were all that critical of hate crimes generally so BobKat should probably hit the books.
at least he was cut off mid rant. I wonder what went down in the studio after that.
The ABC cut him off before he could start a rant against Hamas.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
dv said:I’m not sure the Nazis were all that critical of hate crimes generally so BobKat should probably hit the books.
at least he was cut off mid rant. I wonder what went down in the studio after that.
The ABC cut him off before he could start a rant against Hamas.
“Hamas are even worse than Tasmanian Labor”
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
at least he was cut off mid rant. I wonder what went down in the studio after that.
The ABC cut him off before he could start a rant against Hamas.
“Hamas are even worse than Tasmanian Labor”
Jesus Was Palestinian
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The ABC cut him off before he could start a rant against Hamas.
“Hamas are even worse than Tasmanian Labor”
Jesus Was Palestinian
“Hamas are even worse than Tasmanian Labor who are worse than the Nazis who are even worse than Jesus” He should probably hire me.
dv said:
SCIENCE said:Yeah but where do Dr Brewer and Mr Milat fit in?dv said:“Hamas are even worse than Tasmanian Labor who are worse than the Nazis who are even worse than Jesus” He should probably hire me.“Hamas are even worse than Tasmanian Labor”Jesus Was Palestinian
‘Offensive and bizarre’.
Honestly, you couldn’t come up with a more accurate and concise description of the BobKat than that.
Quick question for yous geniuses, now that the price of avocados is less than the price of broccoli are we still meant to be shitting on all the wokeists and millennials and genexes or whatever the cool term for it is these days about how all their smashed avocado cafe brunches and kopi luwak ter die sumendum are costing them their home ownership¿
SCIENCE said:
Quick question for yous geniuses, now that the price of avocados is less than the price of broccoli are we still meant to be shitting on all the wokeists and millennials and genexes or whatever the cool term for it is these days about how all their smashed avocado cafe brunches and kopi luwak ter die sumendum are costing them their home ownership¿
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No, they are lucky to afford the coffee
SCIENCE said:
Shut ALL fossil fuel power stations – it’s the only way to solve climate change
We could bump up diesel and petrol to 4 bucks a litre by increasing excise tax , you might as well bump it up to 5 bucks a litre.
It will be glorious
Once you’ve shut the coal fired power stations and bumped up fuel excise you bring in a special car tax just bump up the rego 1000 extra a year.
Introduce a 5000 levy for ALL Australian citizens when they leave Australia – more money for everyone left behind.
Mullerian Mimicry Goes Wild ¡
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-25/similar-newtown-store-prompts-copycat-accusation/103886284
Remember when teenagers would go nuts if someone wore similar garb to anyone else at some party gathering powwow concert sermon superspread¿
All this shit about c…nt but
where are the soft serves and sharks, what the fuck¿
An interesting article:
Michael V said:
An interesting article:
The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
An interesting article:The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
Even f they are not, there’s a large chunk of the electorate that are.
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
An interesting article:The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
An interesting article:The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
Labor took reforms to the 2019 election while having many property investors in Parliament.
Yes, they did, thanks for the reminder.
Yet, here we are in 2024, with a property/housing situation not markedly different from that which existed before then.
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
Michael V said:
An interesting article:The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
Labor took reforms to the 2019 election while having many property investors in Parliament.
If one side takes a NG Reform policy to an election it is all too easy for the other side to make a scare campaign on it. If they don’t make it an election policy but then do it anyway once in office they will be accused of not having mandate.
f the electorate is not fully on boar with the need for reform then it is maybe expecting a bit too much of politicians to move on the issue, against a likely backlash at the next election.
party_pants said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
Labor took reforms to the 2019 election while having many property investors in Parliament.If one side takes a NG Reform policy to an election it is all too easy for the other side to make a scare campaign on it. If they don’t make it an election policy but then do it anyway once in office they will be accused of not having mandate.
f the electorate is not fully on boar with the need for reform then it is maybe expecting a bit too much of politicians to move on the issue, against a likely backlash at the next election.
Apologies for the bad spelling. The coffee has not yet kicked in.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
Labor took reforms to the 2019 election while having many property investors in Parliament.Yes, they did, thanks for the reminder.
Yet, here we are in 2024, with a property/housing situation not markedly different from that which existed before then.
Yes. Hopefully Labor will commit to some of those reforms at the coming election and use the money saved to fund more public and affordable housing.
It is almost like any movement on NG reform will need to offer up some alternative scheme where people can put their money and make big returns through tax offsets and the like.
Maybe some scheme for renewables??
Michael V said:
An interesting article:
I think his criticism of the ACTU is probably misplaced. Inflation is mainly being driven by a blowout in profits while real wage increases remain low.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:The difficulty with the ‘Property Investors Club’ is that i reckon you’d be hard -pressed to find a Member of any Parliament in the country who isn’t in it.
So, they’re unlikely to vote to change a system which serves them, personally, so well.
Labor took reforms to the 2019 election while having many property investors in Parliament.Yes, they did, thanks for the reminder.
Yet, here we are in 2024, with a property/housing situation not markedly different from that which existed before then.
They lost the 2019 election and since this was taken as a “no” vote on those reforms they were not renewed as policy in 2022 and hence not enacted.
Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
SCIENCE said:
Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
Governments don’t like giving away something for nothing.
Except to mining companies.
SCIENCE said:
Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
So they can track where people get on and off and plan what new services might be necessary.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
So they can track where people get on and off and plan what new services might be necessary.
We suppose, if that’s the only way they can do it.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
So they can track where people get on and off and plan what new services might be necessary.
We suppose, if that’s the only way they can do it.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
So they can track where people get on and off and plan what new services might be necessary.
We suppose, if that’s the only way they can do it.
Below a certain point the cost of operating a fare system is lower than the money raised and so it is not crazy to think of just removing fares altogether. Some cities have done this oversees (as indeed does Perth on Sundays,)
Some objections is that a flat zero fare removes the ability to use price incentives to “shape” load by encouraging people to travel off peak in possible. Some people also raise the concern that homeless people may use free travel to just stay on the trains all day as a means of shelter from the elements.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
Governments don’t like giving away something for nothing.
Except to mining companies.
Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
Governments don’t like giving away something for nothing.
Except to mining companies.
Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
See earlier posts in this thread.
Rebate of fuel excise tax is most of it.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:Serious question: why 50 cents, why not just go the whole way and make it 0 cents¿
Governments don’t like giving away something for nothing.
Except to mining companies.
Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
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Well the fact that the supertax on mining never got through.
Rudd and Turnbull were replaced within a year of it floating.
Meanwhile Norway is cruising.
Meanwhile Gina and Twiggy etc have increased their wealth by billions .
19 shillings said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Governments don’t like giving away something for nothing.
Except to mining companies.
Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
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Well the fact that the supertax on mining never got through.
Rudd and Turnbull were replaced within a year of it floating.
Meanwhile Norway is cruising.
Meanwhile Gina and Twiggy etc have increased their wealth by billions .
And Australia is getting 50c/ton for the iron ore, coz someone didn’t think about the future.
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Governments don’t like giving away something for nothing.
Except to mining companies.
Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
See earlier posts in this thread.
Rebate of fuel excise tax is most of it.
That seems like a strange case to choose, the fuel tax is designed as a road user charge, the rebate just recognises that heavy industries like agriculture and mining don’t use public roads.
19 shillings said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Governments don’t like giving away something for nothing.
Except to mining companies.
Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
—-
Well the fact that the supertax on mining never got through.
Rudd and Turnbull were replaced within a year of it floating.
Meanwhile Norway is cruising.
Meanwhile Gina and Twiggy etc have increased their wealth by billions .
That’s not really getting something for nothing though..
We Got Plausible Deniability For The Reciprocal Of Nearly Infinity ¡
Kingy said:
19 shillings said:
diddly-squat said:Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
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Well the fact that the supertax on mining never got through.
Rudd and Turnbull were replaced within a year of it floating.
Meanwhile Norway is cruising.
Meanwhile Gina and Twiggy etc have increased their wealth by billions .
And Australia is getting 50c/ton for the iron ore, coz someone didn’t think about the future.
In WA, the iron ore royalty is calculated as a percentage (7.5%) of the iron ore price. At current prices the royalty works out to be about $13/t (AUD).
diddly-squat said:
Kingy said:
19 shillings said:—-
Well the fact that the supertax on mining never got through.
Rudd and Turnbull were replaced within a year of it floating.
Meanwhile Norway is cruising.
Meanwhile Gina and Twiggy etc have increased their wealth by billions .
And Australia is getting 50c/ton for the iron ore, coz someone didn’t think about the future.
In WA, the iron ore royalty is calculated as a percentage (7.5%) of the iron ore price. At current prices the royalty works out to be about $13/t (AUD).
Ok, thanks. I shall go and do me some learnin’
If you are actually wrong, I’ll reply accordingly.
If you are right, which is more likely, I shall retract my previous statement.
diddly-squat said:
19 shillings said:
diddly-squat said:Genuinely interested in understanding what the govt gives mining companies for nothing.
—-
Well the fact that the supertax on mining never got through.
Rudd and Turnbull were replaced within a year of it floating.
Meanwhile Norway is cruising.
Meanwhile Gina and Twiggy etc have increased their wealth by billions .
That’s not really getting something for nothing though..
Well, the rest of the country is getting as much as it should be out of it.
The NSW Labor government will install more than 670 kerbside charging ports for electric vehicles across hundreds of sites. Sydney’s inner west is by far the biggest beneficiary of the public-private partnership, which is billed as the largest rollout of public chargers in the country. The Inner West Council will get 136 EV chargers, followed by 83 chargers in Randwick City Council and 70 in the Waverley local government area.
SCIENCE said:
The NSW Labor government will install more than 670 kerbside charging ports for electric vehicles across hundreds of sites. Sydney’s inner west is by far the biggest beneficiary of the public-private partnership, which is billed as the largest rollout of public chargers in the country. The Inner West Council will get 136 EV chargers, followed by 83 chargers in Randwick City Council and 70 in the Waverley local government area.
If that barrel is in SA, i amNOT going to open it.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:
The NSW Labor government will install more than 670 kerbside charging ports for electric vehicles across hundreds of sites. Sydney’s inner west is by far the biggest beneficiary of the public-private partnership, which is billed as the largest rollout of public chargers in the country. The Inner West Council will get 136 EV chargers, followed by 83 chargers in Randwick City Council and 70 in the Waverley local government area.
If that barrel is in SA, i amNOT going to open it.
PD opening SA barrel, 1896
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
19 shillings said:—-
Well the fact that the supertax on mining never got through.
Rudd and Turnbull were replaced within a year of it floating.
Meanwhile Norway is cruising.
Meanwhile Gina and Twiggy etc have increased their wealth by billions .
That’s not really getting something for nothing though..
Well, the rest of the country is getting as much as it should be out of it.
sure, I’m not arguing against the case for higher royalties – in fact I think we need higher royalty rates.. just saying that a govt not legislating is hardly an example of getting something for nothing.
Kingy said:
diddly-squat said:
Kingy said:And Australia is getting 50c/ton for the iron ore, coz someone didn’t think about the future.
In WA, the iron ore royalty is calculated as a percentage (7.5%) of the iron ore price. At current prices the royalty works out to be about $13/t (AUD).
Ok, thanks. I shall go and do me some learnin’
If you are actually wrong, I’ll reply accordingly.
If you are right, which is more likely, I shall retract my previous statement.
from https://www.wa.gov.au/system/files/2023-05/waironoreprofilemay2023.docx
- The iron ore industry is a large part of Western Australia’s economy, accounting for an estimated 29% of the State’s gross state product in 2021-22.
- In 2022, iron ore accounted for 47% of the value of Western Australia’s exports of goods.
- The value of Western Australia’s iron ore sales fell 20% to $126.4 billion in 2022, in contrast to the compound annual growth of 9% over the past 10 years.
- Iron ore royalties in Western Australia fell 30% to $8.7 billion in 2022.
- In 2021 22, iron ore accounted for 89% of Western Australia’s royalty revenue2 and 24% of State government general revenue.
- The WA State Budget 2023 24 forecasts iron ore royalty income will fall from $9.9 billion in 2021-22 to $9.3 billion in 2022 23 and continue to decline to $5.1 billion in 2026-27.
WA Iron Ore Sales and Royalty Revenues
Rubs hands¿
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/network-ten-costs-bruce-lehrmann-defamation-trial/103896564
Newly Discovered Exoplanet Has Nearly the Same Surface Temperatures as Earth
https://gizmodo.com.au/2024/05/newly-discovered-exoplanet-has-nearly-the-same-surface-temperatures-as-earth/
…
Interesting article but this is a bit of a headscratcher:
“Gliese 12 b, comparable in size to Venus but slightly smaller than Earth”.
Sorry.
24 May 2024
Federal funding for Macquarie Point to impact GST income for Tasmania
Treasurer Jim Chalmers has provided an answer on GST calculations that the state government has been waiting a year to know.
Federal treasurer Jim Chalmers has officially confirmed that $240 million in federal government funding for the Macquarie Point renewal project, which includes construction of a new stadium, will not be exempt from GST funding distributions.
This means the state could effectively lose the same amount in GST payments when the Commonwealth Grants Commission determines the state’s share at the end of the year and assesses federal payments paid to Tasmania over the budget year.
Dr Chalmers on Thursday replied to a letter from Tasmanian treasurer Michael Ferguson to deny an exemption request.
“Granting an exemption for the Macquarie Point precinct funding would be inconsistent with decisions taken previously, including the $100 million Commonwealth contribution to the North Queensland Stadium in Townsville, which was not exempted,” he wrote.
Dr Chalmers said a decision by the federal government to exempt funding for Olympics infrastructure in Brisbane from GST calculations was consistent with a longstanding position to omit funding for the construction of sporting infrastructure specifically required for international competitions.
He said Tasmania was a major beneficiary from the GST distribution system, and had the second highest GST relativity of all jurisdictions.
The 2024-25 federal budget showed Tasmania would receive $3.51 billion in GST receipts over the financial year, even though Tasmanian treasury had forecast $3.54 billion in payments.
Mr Ferguson in parliament on Thursday night said not gaining the GST exemption was detrimental to Tasmania.
“We simply don’t know the lost value, it is not able to be calculated in advance,” he said.
Tasmanian Liberal senator Jonathon Duniam addresses media on Friday morning.
Liberal senator Jonathon Duniam said other infrastructure projects, aside from that specifically built for international competitions, had been exempted from GST calculations.
He said $50 million in funding to remediate the Macquarie Point site was exempt from GST funding in 2012 as was $730 million in funding for the Mersey Community Hospital in 2018-19.
Two payments related to the Marinus Link project – $56 million in 2020-21 and $93.9 million in 2021-22 – have also been exempted from GST calculations for Tasmania.
“It sets a precedent that Tasmania will stand idly by and allow Canberra to take money due to Tasmania out of its coffers,” Senator Duniam said.
Labor’s treasury spokesman Josh Willie said Mr Ferguson had failed to negotiate an exemption at the proper time.
“It was established in May last year that Tasmanias treasurer didnt formally request a GST exemption until the afternoon of May 9 after Labor asked about it in parliament that morning, and after Jeremy Rockliff had signed the deal with the AFL,” he said.
“If Michael Ferguson wanted a different outcome, he should have negotiated it before the Premier signed a deal, rather than crying foul after the fact.”
Green’s deputy leader Vica Bayley said the failure to secure a GST funding exemption for the Macquarie Point money was further evidence the deal inked between the Tasmanian government and AFL for a state team, which is contingent on a new stadium, was a dud deal.
sarahs mum said:
24 May 2024
Federal funding for Macquarie Point to impact GST income for TasmaniaTreasurer Jim Chalmers has provided an answer on GST calculations that the state government has been waiting a year to know.
Federal treasurer Jim Chalmers has officially confirmed that $240 million in federal government funding for the Macquarie Point renewal project, which includes construction of a new stadium, will not be exempt from GST funding distributions.This means the state could effectively lose the same amount in GST payments when the Commonwealth Grants Commission determines the state’s share at the end of the year and assesses federal payments paid to Tasmania over the budget year.
I don’t suppose that the AFL would care to pony up some dosh?
War Is Beautiful, Arms Raw Materials Dealing Is Glorious Profit
”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-28/iron-ore-commodities-phase-could-change-budget-outlook/103902070”:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-28/iron-ore-commodities-phase-could-change-budget-outlook/103902070
Global demand for Australia’s most lucrative export, iron ore, shows no sign of waning, with one major bank forecasting a surge in demand that will keep the price high for the next 12 months. Demand for gold, copper, silver and iron ore is rising as supplies tighten, fuelling a potential ‘super bull’ phase for commodity prices, according to HSBC.
SCIENCE said:
War Is Beautiful, Arms Raw Materials Dealing Is Glorious Profit
”https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-28/iron-ore-commodities-phase-could-change-budget-outlook/103902070”:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-28/iron-ore-commodities-phase-could-change-budget-outlook/103902070
Global demand for Australia’s most lucrative export, iron ore, shows no sign of waning, with one major bank forecasting a surge in demand that will keep the price high for the next 12 months. Demand for gold, copper, silver and iron ore is rising as supplies tighten, fuelling a potential ‘super bull’ phase for commodity prices, according to HSBC.
Human rule of acquisition number 1
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
Spiny Norman said:
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
I mean to say, She doesn’t know the CSIRO is made up of scientists?
Spiny Norman said:
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
The ‘Stupid’ Australian
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
The ‘Stupid’ Australian
She doesn’t dislike all scientists.
Just the ones who aren’t ‘tame’.
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
I mean to say, She doesn’t know the CSIRO is made up of scientists?
I haven’t read the report, and I have no idea if her comments are accurate, but it is quite reasonable to note that a report covering costs and benefits as well as scientific matters would be better prepared by people who have to take account of all three in their work.
These people are called engineers.
It is of course quite possible that the CSIRO report was prepared by engineers.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
I mean to say, She doesn’t know the CSIRO is made up of scientists?
I haven’t read the report, and I have no idea if her comments are accurate, but it is quite reasonable to note that a report covering costs and benefits as well as scientific matters would be better prepared by people who have to take account of all three in their work.
These people are called engineers.
It is of course quite possible that the CSIRO report was prepared by engineers.
You didn’t catch Media Watch last night?
They ripped into the Oz, Sky… usual suspects.. on precisely this rubbish reportage.
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
Spiny Norman said:
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
I mean to say, She doesn’t know the CSIRO is made up of scientists?
I haven’t read the report, and I have no idea if her comments are accurate, but it is quite reasonable to note that a report covering costs and benefits as well as scientific matters would be better prepared by people who have to take account of all three in their work.
These people are called engineers.
It is of course quite possible that the CSIRO report was prepared by engineers.
OK, I’ve looked her up now. I didn’t know she existed until now.
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I mean to say, She doesn’t know the CSIRO is made up of scientists?
I haven’t read the report, and I have no idea if her comments are accurate, but it is quite reasonable to note that a report covering costs and benefits as well as scientific matters would be better prepared by people who have to take account of all three in their work.
These people are called engineers.
It is of course quite possible that the CSIRO report was prepared by engineers.
OK, I’ve looked her up now. I didn’t know she existed until now.
Nor i.
And, now that her existence has been drawn to my attention, i shall make an effort disregard her entirely for the rest of my own span of existence.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Spiny Norman said:
Good grief ….
What a pea-brain.
The ‘Stupid’ Australian
She doesn’t dislike all scientists.
Just the ones who aren’t ‘tame’.
Bet She Doesn’t Like Tame Either
The ABC’s chief political correspondent for the 730 program Laura Tingle is under fire for describing Australia as a “racist country” and lambasting opposition leader Peter Dutton at the Sydney Writers’ Festival.
SCIENCE said:
The ABC’s chief political correspondent for the 730 program Laura Tingle is under fire for describing Australia as a “racist country” and lambasting opposition leader Peter Dutton at the Sydney Writers’ Festival.
In a free country she ought to be allowed to hold and express an opinion.
shrug
SCIENCE said:
The ABC’s chief political correspondent for the 730 program Laura Tingle is under fire for describing Australia as a “racist country” and lambasting opposition leader Peter Dutton at the Sydney Writers’ Festival.
Don’t really understand how you can be expected to function as a political analyst if you’re not allowed to hold any opinions.
A nuclear waste “dump” could be built anywhere in Australia without consultation under a proposed federal bill, Greens Senator David Shoebridge has claimed.
The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 establishes a new regulatory framework to regulate nuclear waste created as a byproduct of the AUKUS submarines. Osborne Shipyard in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs and HMAS Stirling – 55km south of Perth – are listed as “designated zones” for potential nuclear waste facilities in Section 10 of the bill which also states, “any other area in Australia that is prescribed by the regulations to be a designated zone, are designated zones”.
“It allows our Defence Minister to identify any part of the country, issue a regulation, and impose a high-level nuclear waste dump,” Senator Shoebridge said. “With this bill you could literally wake up one morning and find Defence Minister Marles decided to put high-level, weapons grade uranium waste on your land.”
SCIENCE said:
A nuclear waste “dump” could be built anywhere in Australia without consultation under a proposed federal bill, Greens Senator David Shoebridge has claimed.
The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 establishes a new regulatory framework to regulate nuclear waste created as a byproduct of the AUKUS submarines. Osborne Shipyard in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs and HMAS Stirling – 55km south of Perth – are listed as “designated zones” for potential nuclear waste facilities in Section 10 of the bill which also states, “any other area in Australia that is prescribed by the regulations to be a designated zone, are designated zones”.
“It allows our Defence Minister to identify any part of the country, issue a regulation, and impose a high-level nuclear waste dump,” Senator Shoebridge said. “With this bill you could literally wake up one morning and find Defence Minister Marles decided to put high-level, weapons grade uranium waste on your land.”
Put it in my backyard and I can use the residual heat to warm me cockles.
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:A nuclear waste “dump” could be built anywhere in Australia without consultation under a proposed federal bill, Greens Senator David Shoebridge has claimed.
The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 establishes a new regulatory framework to regulate nuclear waste created as a byproduct of the AUKUS submarines. Osborne Shipyard in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs and HMAS Stirling – 55km south of Perth – are listed as “designated zones” for potential nuclear waste facilities in Section 10 of the bill which also states, “any other area in Australia that is prescribed by the regulations to be a designated zone, are designated zones”.
“It allows our Defence Minister to identify any part of the country, issue a regulation, and impose a high-level nuclear waste dump,” Senator Shoebridge said. “With this bill you could literally wake up one morning and find Defence Minister Marles decided to put high-level, weapons grade uranium waste on your land.”
Put it in my backyard and I can use the residual heat to warm me cockles.
Australia does not produce any high level radioactive waste.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:A nuclear waste “dump” could be built anywhere in Australia without consultation under a proposed federal bill, Greens Senator David Shoebridge has claimed.
The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 establishes a new regulatory framework to regulate nuclear waste created as a byproduct of the AUKUS submarines. Osborne Shipyard in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs and HMAS Stirling – 55km south of Perth – are listed as “designated zones” for potential nuclear waste facilities in Section 10 of the bill which also states, “any other area in Australia that is prescribed by the regulations to be a designated zone, are designated zones”.
“It allows our Defence Minister to identify any part of the country, issue a regulation, and impose a high-level nuclear waste dump,” Senator Shoebridge said. “With this bill you could literally wake up one morning and find Defence Minister Marles decided to put high-level, weapons grade uranium waste on your land.”
Put it in my backyard and I can use the residual heat to warm me cockles.
Australia does not produce any high level radioactive waste.
killjoy!
JudgeMental said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
Put it in my backyard and I can use the residual heat to warm me cockles.
Australia does not produce any high level radioactive waste.
killjoy!
yet
Also… why are the Greens raising it now? This all went through parliament 7 months ago.
dv said:
Also… why are the Greens raising it now? This all went through parliament 7 months ago.
Maybe they’ve been saying it all along but until now nobody in the media has listened or reported on it?
Interesting stats on views on nuclear power in Australia.
dv said:
JudgeMental said:
SCIENCE said:A nuclear waste “dump” could be built anywhere in Australia without consultation under a proposed federal bill, Greens Senator David Shoebridge has claimed.
The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 establishes a new regulatory framework to regulate nuclear waste created as a byproduct of the AUKUS submarines. Osborne Shipyard in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs and HMAS Stirling – 55km south of Perth – are listed as “designated zones” for potential nuclear waste facilities in Section 10 of the bill which also states, “any other area in Australia that is prescribed by the regulations to be a designated zone, are designated zones”.
“It allows our Defence Minister to identify any part of the country, issue a regulation, and impose a high-level nuclear waste dump,” Senator Shoebridge said. “With this bill you could literally wake up one morning and find Defence Minister Marles decided to put high-level, weapons grade uranium waste on your land.”
Put it in my backyard and I can use the residual heat to warm me cockles.
Australia does not produce any high level radioactive waste.
What level radioactive waste will the submarines produce?
buffy said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:I mean to say, She doesn’t know the CSIRO is made up of scientists?
I haven’t read the report, and I have no idea if her comments are accurate, but it is quite reasonable to note that a report covering costs and benefits as well as scientific matters would be better prepared by people who have to take account of all three in their work.
These people are called engineers.
It is of course quite possible that the CSIRO report was prepared by engineers.
OK, I’ve looked her up now. I didn’t know she existed until now.
That males two of us who had never heard of her.
SCIENCE said:
A nuclear waste “dump” could be built anywhere in Australia without consultation under a proposed federal bill, Greens Senator David Shoebridge has claimed.
The Australian Naval Nuclear Power Safety Bill 2023 establishes a new regulatory framework to regulate nuclear waste created as a byproduct of the AUKUS submarines. Osborne Shipyard in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs and HMAS Stirling – 55km south of Perth – are listed as “designated zones” for potential nuclear waste facilities in Section 10 of the bill which also states, “any other area in Australia that is prescribed by the regulations to be a designated zone, are designated zones”.
“It allows our Defence Minister to identify any part of the country, issue a regulation, and impose a high-level nuclear waste dump,” Senator Shoebridge said. “With this bill you could literally wake up one morning and find Defence Minister Marles decided to put high-level, weapons grade uranium waste on your land.”
It has hardly been Australia since the Battle of Brisbane was knocked on the head.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
JudgeMental said:Put it in my backyard and I can use the residual heat to warm me cockles.
Australia does not produce any high level radioactive waste.
What level radioactive waste will the submarines produce?
high level radioactive waste.
poikilotherm said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Australia does not produce any high level radioactive waste.
What level radioactive waste will the submarines produce?
high level radioactive waste.
No doubt dv will give us an update on exactly what his point was later then.
The Rev Dodgson said:
poikilotherm said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What level radioactive waste will the submarines produce?
high level radioactive waste.
No doubt dv will give us an update on exactly what his point was later then.
Most ‘nuclear waste’ from submarines is produced from refuelling operations, which would occur every 10-12 years throughout the boats’ service life.
Each sub is likely to be refuelled once, or maybe twice (at a stretch), during its time in service.
The waste produced is certainly radioactive, but it’s not ‘weapons grade’ i.e. 90% or more enriched.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
poikilotherm said:high level radioactive waste.
No doubt dv will give us an update on exactly what his point was later then.
Most ‘nuclear waste’ from submarines is produced from refuelling operations, which would occur every 10-12 years throughout the boats’ service life.
Each sub is likely to be refuelled once, or maybe twice (at a stretch), during its time in service.
The waste produced is certainly radioactive, but it’s not ‘weapons grade’ i.e. 90% or more enriched.
But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:No doubt dv will give us an update on exactly what his point was later then.
Most ‘nuclear waste’ from submarines is produced from refuelling operations, which would occur every 10-12 years throughout the boats’ service life.
Each sub is likely to be refuelled once, or maybe twice (at a stretch), during its time in service.
The waste produced is certainly radioactive, but it’s not ‘weapons grade’ i.e. 90% or more enriched.
But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Most ‘nuclear waste’ from submarines is produced from refuelling operations, which would occur every 10-12 years throughout the boats’ service life.
Each sub is likely to be refuelled once, or maybe twice (at a stretch), during its time in service.
The waste produced is certainly radioactive, but it’s not ‘weapons grade’ i.e. 90% or more enriched.
But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
Most of us will apostrophe in the book of time before the first one rolls off the SA yards.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
Most of us will apostrophe in the book of time before the first one rolls off the SA yards.
‘will be’
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
Most of us will apostrophe in the book of time before the first one rolls off the SA yards.
Yeah.
Though I still do have the hope that we will all come to our senses and follow this directive:
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
Most of us will apostrophe in the book of time before the first one rolls off the SA yards.
‘will be’
‘will be an’ I think that’s it.
dusts hands
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
Most of us will apostrophe in the book of time before the first one rolls off the SA yards.
Yeah.
Though I still do have the hope that we will all come to our senses and follow this directive:
Most right thinking people would agree with that sentiment but the threat of war helps keep the economy stable.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Most ‘nuclear waste’ from submarines is produced from refuelling operations, which would occur every 10-12 years throughout the boats’ service life.
Each sub is likely to be refuelled once, or maybe twice (at a stretch), during its time in service.
The waste produced is certainly radioactive, but it’s not ‘weapons grade’ i.e. 90% or more enriched.
But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:Most of us will apostrophe in the book of time before the first one rolls off the SA yards.
Yeah.
Though I still do have the hope that we will all come to our senses and follow this directive:
Most right thinking people would agree with that sentiment but the threat of war helps keep the economy stable.
If everyone owned a horse Australia would be more stable.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Yeah.
Though I still do have the hope that we will all come to our senses and follow this directive:
Most right thinking people would agree with that sentiment but the threat of war helps keep the economy stable.
If everyone owned a horse Australia would be more stable.
have more stables. ;)
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Peak Warming Man said:Most of us will apostrophe in the book of time before the first one rolls off the SA yards.
Yeah.
Though I still do have the hope that we will all come to our senses and follow this directive:
Most right thinking people would agree with that sentiment but the threat of war helps keep the economy stable.
The real difficulty is that, while ‘we’ might endorse the pacifist disarmament co-operative ideal with all our hearts (and the dawn of that day is rightly hoped for), it’s very hard to be certain that the ‘other fellow’ feels the same way.
Peak Warming Man said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Yeah.
Though I still do have the hope that we will all come to our senses and follow this directive:
Most right thinking people would agree with that sentiment but the threat of war helps keep the economy stable.
If everyone owned a horse Australia would be more stable.
Every Australian would have their favourite mews.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:Yeah.
Though I still do have the hope that we will all come to our senses and follow this directive:
Most right thinking people would agree with that sentiment but the threat of war helps keep the economy stable.
The real difficulty is that, while ‘we’ might endorse the pacifist disarmament co-operative ideal with all our hearts (and the dawn of that day is rightly hoped for), it’s very hard to be certain that the ‘other fellow’ feels the same way.
Similar to being a safe driver. You always have to watch out for the other driver.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
poikilotherm said:
high level radioactive waste.
No doubt dv will give us an update on exactly what his point was later then.
Most ‘nuclear waste’ from submarines is produced from refuelling operations, which would occur every 10-12 years throughout the boats’ service life.
Each sub is likely to be refuelled once, or maybe twice (at a stretch), during its time in service.
The waste produced is certainly radioactive, but it’s not ‘weapons grade’ i.e. 90% or more enriched.
Never trust what any engineer says.
Tony Irwin, a nuclear engineer at the Australian National University says Australia will need to be ready to manage low- and intermediate-level radioactive wastes from routine submarine operations from 2033, and manage high-level waste and spent fuel from around 2060 (when the first submarines are decommissioned). He says, high-level nuclear waste, including spent fuel (containing large amounts of highly enriched uranium) will be both highly radioactive and producing heat, so it would initially be placed in a cooling pond.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
Yep.
But NIMBYism is still there…
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
No doubt dv will give us an update on exactly what his point was later then.
Most ‘nuclear waste’ from submarines is produced from refuelling operations, which would occur every 10-12 years throughout the boats’ service life.
Each sub is likely to be refuelled once, or maybe twice (at a stretch), during its time in service.
The waste produced is certainly radioactive, but it’s not ‘weapons grade’ i.e. 90% or more enriched.
Never trust what any engineer says.
Tony Irwin, a nuclear engineer at the Australian National University says Australia will need to be ready to manage low- and intermediate-level radioactive wastes from routine submarine operations from 2033, and manage high-level waste and spent fuel from around 2060 (when the first submarines are decommissioned). He says, high-level nuclear waste, including spent fuel (containing large amounts of highly enriched uranium) will be both highly radioactive and producing heat, so it would initially be placed in a cooling pond.
I bow to Tony’s nuclear engineering qualifications, but, as far as the understanding of it that i, myself, have acquired, the waste, while ‘highly enriched’, still falls far short of the 90% enrichment required for ‘weapons grade’ material.
I certainly wouldn’t advocate spreading the stuff on your morning toast, but it’s something which can be managed, and is being managed, in these current days.
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
Yep.
But NIMBYism is still there…
Shrug most Australians can accommodate a gun in their residence too, shrug.
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
Yep.
But NIMBYism is still there…
Shrug most Australians can accommodate a gun in their residence too, shrug.
I doubt that statement is correct these days.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Yep.
But NIMBYism is still there…
Shrug most Australians can accommodate a gun in their residence too, shrug.
I doubt that statement is correct these days.
All right, in their backpack then, still doesn’t make it a good idea.
NIOBY this
SCIENCE said:
NIOBY this
I drove past solar farms bigger than that on Monday. They are already in my backyard.
Tell you what put enough offshore wind and tidal installations out there and you really could stop all the boats…
SCIENCE said:
Tell you what put enough offshore wind and tidal installations out there and you really could stop all the boats…
You may be on to something there.
According to Donald Dump, offshore wind installations kill whales.
The mind boggles at the potential effects on people in open boats.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But presumably these limited quantities of not-that-high-level waste need to be disposed of somewhere?
Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
Well we do have a place called Maralinga.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
I remember an article years ago about what could be used as a warning to our distant descendants this place is dangerous
Language/symbols we used might not work as they would no longer be relevant or even properly understood
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Yes. They won’t be wanted to be transported to another country so, somewhere in South Austrtalia appears to be the solution, once we are using nuclear subs manufactured and refuelled in SA.
As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
Encased in concrete and buried deep underground in a very remote location (and possibly, guarded)? Lot of work involved in accessing it.
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
I remember an article years ago about what could be used as a warning to our distant descendants this place is dangerous
Language/symbols we used might not work as they would no longer be relevant or even properly understood
They’d get the idea, eventually.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:As one of the most geologically-stable places on Earth (i hope MV will concur), Australia is quite capable of accommodating a very long-term secure storage for such wastes.
long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
Encased in concrete and buried deep underground in a very remote location (and possibly, guarded)? Lot of work involved in accessing it.
Encased in a teardrop shape of synroc and dumped overboard at the deepest subduction zone. It’ll sink into the mud, and then be carried into the mantle along with the tectonic plate.
Kingy said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
Encased in concrete and buried deep underground in a very remote location (and possibly, guarded)? Lot of work involved in accessing it.
Encased in a teardrop shape of synroc and dumped overboard at the deepest subduction zone. It’ll sink into the mud, and then be carried into the mantle along with the tectonic plate.
I think any reasonable risk assessment would kill that idea pretty quickly. if you want to have long term control over your actions, dropping something to the bottom of the ocean is not a particularly good idea.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:long term storage of nuclear waste is more about what the waste is contained in and stopping people ever accessing it, than where (geologically) it is placed.
I remember an article years ago about what could be used as a warning to our distant descendants this place is dangerous
Language/symbols we used might not work as they would no longer be relevant or even properly understood
They’d get the idea, eventually.
Exactly, we have no idea how to read 5000 year old manuscript.
diddly-squat said:
Kingy said:
captain_spalding said:Encased in concrete and buried deep underground in a very remote location (and possibly, guarded)? Lot of work involved in accessing it.
Encased in a teardrop shape of synroc and dumped overboard at the deepest subduction zone. It’ll sink into the mud, and then be carried into the mantle along with the tectonic plate.
I think any reasonable risk assessment would kill that idea pretty quickly. if you want to have long term control over your actions, dropping something to the bottom of the ocean is not a particularly good idea.
It is called guessology.
Like buying a lottery ticket.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
Kingy said:Encased in a teardrop shape of synroc and dumped overboard at the deepest subduction zone. It’ll sink into the mud, and then be carried into the mantle along with the tectonic plate.
I think any reasonable risk assessment would kill that idea pretty quickly. if you want to have long term control over your actions, dropping something to the bottom of the ocean is not a particularly good idea.
It is called guessology.
Like buying a lottery ticket.
I think Kingy’s idea is sound.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:I think any reasonable risk assessment would kill that idea pretty quickly. if you want to have long term control over your actions, dropping something to the bottom of the ocean is not a particularly good idea.
It is called guessology.
Like buying a lottery ticket.
I think Kingy’s idea is sound.
See eahat MV has to say.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:I think any reasonable risk assessment would kill that idea pretty quickly. if you want to have long term control over your actions, dropping something to the bottom of the ocean is not a particularly good idea.
It is called guessology.
Like buying a lottery ticket.
I think Kingy’s idea is sound.
I’m no marine biologist, but I would have thought that dropping radioactive material into an environment we have little control over, know little about, and we can’t monitor isn’t going to pass too many environmental hurdles. All that notwithstanding the logistical and engineering issues associated with being able to drop something off a boat and have it land precisely where we want it to on the deep ocean floor.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:It is called guessology.
Like buying a lottery ticket.
I think Kingy’s idea is sound.
I’m no marine biologist, but I would have thought that dropping radioactive material into an environment we have little control over, know little about, and we can’t monitor isn’t going to pass too many environmental hurdles. All that notwithstanding the logistical and engineering issues associated with being able to drop something off a boat and have it land precisely where we want it to on the deep ocean floor.
Just use liquid, it’ll reach the bottom eventually…
poikilotherm said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I think Kingy’s idea is sound.
I’m no marine biologist, but I would have thought that dropping radioactive material into an environment we have little control over, know little about, and we can’t monitor isn’t going to pass too many environmental hurdles. All that notwithstanding the logistical and engineering issues associated with being able to drop something off a boat and have it land precisely where we want it to on the deep ocean floor.
Just use liquid, it’ll reach the bottom eventually…
Well there’s only one way to find out eh.
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
diddly-squat said:
I’m no marine biologist, but I would have thought that dropping radioactive material into an environment we have little control over, know little about, and we can’t monitor isn’t going to pass too many environmental hurdles. All that notwithstanding the logistical and engineering issues associated with being able to drop something off a boat and have it land precisely where we want it to on the deep ocean floor.
Just use liquid, it’ll reach the bottom eventually…
Well there’s only one way to find out eh.
It’s been done, has evidence…
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=russia+nuclear+waste+dump+liquid+ocean
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:
poikilotherm said:
Just use liquid, it’ll reach the bottom eventually…
Well there’s only one way to find out eh.
It’s been done, has evidence…
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=russia+nuclear+waste+dump+liquid+ocean
They say there’s a risk but just look at MH370, just put that waste on a flight to Beijing, problem solved.
Synroc is rather akin to a mafic basalt. It is inert, on relevant timescales.
poikilotherm said:
SCIENCE said:poikilotherm said:
Just use liquid, it’ll reach the bottom eventually…
Well there’s only one way to find out eh.
It’s been done, has evidence…
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=russia+nuclear+waste+dump+liquid+ocean
Bloody!
“That was done. there was a triage meeting. It was referred to a third party through the Department of Communities for action. All of those things did happen.”
He stressed that in his view, all three times the Bombara family raised concerns “police did exactly what their policy says they should do”.
Seriously though, I do realise that police are restricted by their policy. But why was this guy allowed to have a gun collection? I thought we took care of that like 28 years ago.
Then again, I suppose you only really need one.
“The Australia Institute estimates state and federal governments have missed out on $13.3 billion of royalty revenue that should have been charged on gas exports during the past four years. Gas exported from six of Australia’s 10 LNG export facilities pay no royalties on the gas they sell overseas. Four of these projects are based in WA. The Australia Institute is calling for an inquiry into how gas projects are managed.”
Heck!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-30/gas-royalties-missing/103907264
dv said:
Is that true though? The ABC were denying having meetings about her.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Is that true though? The ABC were denying having meetings about her.
It must be true if it has been denied.
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Is that true though? The ABC were denying having meetings about her.
Their own statement says that she has been counselled.
https://www.abc.net.au/about/media-centre/statements-and-responses/justin-stevens-statement-on-laura-tingle/103909056
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
dv said:
Is that true though? The ABC were denying having meetings about her.
Their own statement says that she has been counselled.
https://www.abc.net.au/about/media-centre/statements-and-responses/justin-stevens-statement-on-laura-tingle/103909056
I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Is that true though? The ABC were denying having meetings about her.
Their own statement says that she has been counselled.
https://www.abc.net.au/about/media-centre/statements-and-responses/justin-stevens-statement-on-laura-tingle/103909056
I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Their own statement says that she has been counselled.
https://www.abc.net.au/about/media-centre/statements-and-responses/justin-stevens-statement-on-laura-tingle/103909056
I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
Delete that. That didn’t sound right.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Bubblecar said:Is that true though? The ABC were denying having meetings about her.
Their own statement says that she has been counselled.
https://www.abc.net.au/about/media-centre/statements-and-responses/justin-stevens-statement-on-laura-tingle/103909056
I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
yeah, she should really have just named them all instead of lumping us all together.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Their own statement says that she has been counselled.
https://www.abc.net.au/about/media-centre/statements-and-responses/justin-stevens-statement-on-laura-tingle/103909056
I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
But she isn’t correct.
Countries are not racist, people are.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:Their own statement says that she has been counselled.
https://www.abc.net.au/about/media-centre/statements-and-responses/justin-stevens-statement-on-laura-tingle/103909056
I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
yeah, she should really have just named them all instead of lumping us all together.
I’m sure there are options between those two extremes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
But she isn’t correct.
Countries are not racist, people are.
LOL.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
But she isn’t correct.
Countries are not racist, people are.
I mean social conditioning is a thing..
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
But she isn’t correct.
Countries are not racist, people are.
True, we shouldn’t ascribe too the entire human being what its subsystems andor cell collections are doing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’m not keen on applying socio-political tendencies to entire countries, but it is widely done, and if Ms. Tingle chooses to do so I think she should be allowed to, without getting told off for it.
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
But she isn’t correct.
Countries are not racist, people are.
Well I’m sure this is a moot point. Certainly a country can have formalised structural racism quite apart from the attitudes of its citizens.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
But she isn’t correct.
Countries are not racist, people are.
LOL.
Oversimplification Is Bad ¡
…
Wait.
dv said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
Especially if she is correct in what she is saying.
But she isn’t correct.
Countries are not racist, people are.
Well I’m sure this is a moot point. Certainly a country can have formalised structural racism quite apart from the attitudes of its citizens.
Do Emergent Properties Exist¿ No¡
unable to provide his service number when questioned by media in April. His service history has now been referred to the Crime and Corruption Commission for investigation. The commission declined to comment
SCIENCE said:
unable to provide his service number when questioned by media in April. His service history has now been referred to the Crime and Corruption Commission for investigation. The commission declined to comment
Who
dv said:
SCIENCE said:
unable to provide his service number when questioned by media in April. His service history has now been referred to the Crime and Corruption Commission for investigation. The commission declined to comment
Who
Townsville’s newly elected mayor Troy Thompson … a disendorsed One Nation candidate,
See One Nation Have Total Integrity
Labor-held Melbourne seat of Higgins to be scrapped in boundary redraw
Shane Wright
ByShane Wright
Updated May 31, 2024 — 1.21pmfirst published at 1.05pm
The Labor-held seat of Higgins in Melbourne’s inner east would be abolished to boost the surrounding seats of Chisholm and Kooyong under a proposed revamp of Victoria’s electoral boundaries.
In a double blow for the Labor Party, the Australian Electoral Commission has also proposed a new seat in Western Australia that on preliminary estimates would be winnable for the Liberal Party.
The electoral commission has to reduce the number of seats in both Victoria and NSW while adding one to WA due to population changes over recent years.
Higgins, held by first-term Labor MP Michelle Ananda-Rajah who won the seat from Liberal Party incumbent Katie Allen at the 2022 election, was famously held by Liberal treasurer Peter Costello. Since its creation in 1949, it had always been held by the Liberal Party until Ananda-Rajah’s victory.
Large parts of Higgins will go into the neighbouring seats of Kooyong, held by independent Monique Ryan, and Chisholm, held by Labor’s Carina Garland. Other sections will go into Labor-held Hotham and Macnamara along with the Greens-held seat of Melbourne.
In Western Australia, the new seat of Bullwinkel – named after Vivian Bullwinkel who was the sole survivor of the 1942 Bangka Island massacre – will be created in Perth’s eastern suburbs and across into the wheatbelt areas near Northam.
Large parts of Hasluck, held by Labor, would go into the new seat as would parts of the Liberal-held Durack, Canning and O’Connor.
Objections to both proposals can be made to the electoral commission by June 28.
The proposed boundaries for seats in NSW are expected to be announced in the coming weeks.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/labor-held-melbourne-seat-of-higgins-to-be-scrapped-in-boundary-redraw-20240531-p5jian.html
…
Shame for Labor. Michelle Ananda-Rajah is a real asset for the party.
Bruce Lehrmann lodges notice of appeal with Federal Court after it was found he did rape Brittany Higgins on the balance of probabilities
OCDC said:
Bruce Lehrmann lodges notice of appeal with Federal Court after it was found he did rape Brittany Higgins on the balance of probabilities
.. going back for his other hat?
OCDC said:
Bruce Lehrmann lodges notice of appeal with Federal Court after it was found he did rape Brittany Higgins on the balance of probabilities
What are his chances you reckon?
roughbarked said:
OCDC said:About the same as me going to Bali.Bruce Lehrmann lodges notice of appeal with Federal Court after it was found he did rape Brittany Higgins on the balance of probabilitiesWhat are his chances you reckon?
OCDC said:
roughbarked said:OCDC said:About the same as me going to Bali.Bruce Lehrmann lodges notice of appeal with Federal Court after it was found he did rape Brittany Higgins on the balance of probabilitiesWhat are his chances you reckon?
or me.
OCDC said:
roughbarked said:OCDC said:About the same as me going to Bali.Bruce Lehrmann lodges notice of appeal with Federal Court after it was found he did rape Brittany Higgins on the balance of probabilitiesWhat are his chances you reckon?
I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
Cymek said:
OCDC said:
roughbarked said:What are his chances you reckon?About the same as me going to Bali.
I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
Qld premier.
Cymek said:
OCDC said:
roughbarked said:What are his chances you reckon?About the same as me going to Bali.
I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
He’s still got other rape trials to get through hasn’t he?
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
OCDC said:
About the same as me going to Bali.
I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
Qld premier.
Or that.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
OCDC said:
About the same as me going to Bali.
I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
Qld premier.
Or at least member for Toowoomba.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
OCDC said:
About the same as me going to Bali.
I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
He’s still got other rape trials to get through hasn’t he?
I’m not sure I think so, he usually has a look of absolute rage bubbling underneath that expressionless face.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
He’s still got other rape trials to get through hasn’t he?
I’m not sure I think so, he usually has a look of absolute rage bubbling underneath that expressionless face.
A true psycopath.
sarahs mum said:
Cymek said:
OCDC said:
About the same as me going to Bali.
I wonder if he will fade away and years later is caught as a serial killer.
Qld premier.
Nooooooo!
:(
Bullwinkel eh?
dv said:
Bullwinkel eh?
Yeah, sounds a bit naff. Never heard of the personage it i named after.
Australia a racist country? | The West Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j0FKVQ5bBQ
dv said:
Bullwinkel eh?
There’s a Qld state parliament seat of Rockhampton.
They could get together and be Rocky and Bullwinkel.
party_pants said:
dv said:
Bullwinkel eh?
Yeah, sounds a bit naff. Never heard of the personage it i named after.
Vivian Bullwinkel? Do yourself a favour, look her up, read her story.
sarahs mum said:
Australia a racist country? | The West Report
some 23,000 people foreigners yes dreaded foreigners arrived by plane in Australia last year they applied for Asylum and stayed freely working in the community during the same period 70 people arrived by boat there were four boats in all which were recorded it was these foreigners just 0.3% of that 23,000 which arrived by plane who were demonized by the media and politicians notably one boat was a bunch of young impoverished fishermen on the prow for tree Pang or sea cucumbers that got off course and landed on the shores of Western Australia and Border Force well there was a big kafuffle about that were they real fishermen or they imposters what we like to do here at Michael West media is demolish the spin and the fear mongering and look through to the facts and the reasons behind the stories which are bandied about by politicians and falal media WE peer behind the fairy tales we look at the maths we look at the evidence we look at the perspective and on this one the facts are cavalierly overblown for political gain for points on the maths 23,000 people fire plane 70 boat people in all 0.3% of Asylum Seekers arriving by boat now let that sink in while 90% plus of the press coverage is for the boat people very little for the plane people they are less than a third of 1% of the Asylum Seekers and what what of the human factor why would you put your family at risk getting on a rickety boat in coupang in Indonesia people smuggle Central and making the journey when you probably can’t swim 800 kilometers from Indonesia to the Kimberly Coast in Northwest wa risking a maze of tricky offshore reefs no lights at night for days well you would only do it of course if you are completely desperate it’s a high-risk Venture people die you would only do it if you were facing persecution in your home country or severely bad economic circumstances say China Sri Lanka Pakistan or Afghanistan why would you do it especially if you had read that when you were detected you would be plonked into a Detention Center on another Island Naru surely the risks are immense and you would only do it if you were desperate and while they pile into the country in the airport terminals the people on the boats must surely be good prospects for humanitarian entry of course the courts can decide that but that would seem to be the case having passed the desperation exam it’s a high hurdle incidently Duncan Graham our Indonesian correspondent did a piece a couple of days ago he traveled to coupang in Indonesia and he found people Smugglers people associated with that trade apparently thriving so perhaps they’re not all being picked up besides looking at the actual facts of a situation at the maths or the evidence we like to look beyond the spin at the human factor it’s a journalistic thing we take the view that people are people whatever their race or religion there are good and bad and everything in between and yes there are certain characteristics which pertain to different groups of people but on the whole one group is just as good or bad as another and everything in between they have their ups and downs and their upsides and their downsides this brings us to intolerance and this goodies and baddies narrative which is played out in the fossil media the Laura tingle beat up by News Corp this very week Springs to mind and there was sky and the Murdoch mhe heads going into outrage Overdrive about one of the country’s best journalists if not the best actually voicing an opinion Australians are racist she said at an event an on ABC event oh the righteous indignation from these moral Arbiters from the Murdo stable who don’t really get their hands dirty with news very much but just Sprout their identical opinions day in day out how dare she how dare this woman Express an opinion the ABC went into crisis management mode as it does cow Towing to the hurt feelings in the Murdoch press toing to the news outrage and they issued a statement ABC management saying that Laura tingle was getting counseling counselling for Laura it was a tad paternalistic and nobody seemed to get the irony that the very night after Laura tingles off the cuff remarks there was Josh friedenberg the former Treasurer and Zionist hosting a show saying racism anti-Semitism has never been higher or Palestinians around anti-semitic too but we won’t get into those fineries at the moment it was a crisis said Josh records of anti-Semitism never before seen and the government inquiry was urgently needed it was dangerous he said people are feeling unsafe no evidence of it but people are feeling unsafe said Josh this was happening this was unfolding at the very time of the tingle Affair and the irony and the hypocrisy were Supreme and at this very same time another affair another bigotry related imbroglio was playing out the Julia Gillard situation specifically targeted bigotry for commercial and political gain Gillard who was never favored because she was Labor not liberal by the Murdoch press here she was run off the front pages splashed with the headline ignorance feeding evil which incidentally was right but just not in the way that they meant it ignorance indeed is feeding evil but here was Julia and it was immensely disappointing to many people including myself who had held Julia in high regard and also admired the way that she never became one of those dreaded ghosts of an xpm that’s always turning up in the media here she was claiming that young Australians were ignorant because of social media and did not understand the history of the Middle East they did not understand the crisis in Gaza at all because you know social media it was not disclaimed of course that social media is what is killing to the business model of traditional media these are Arch enemies did she not understand what social media was though simply people people connecting with each other having a discourse expressing their views linking some evidence to support those views sometimes it is people it is not some anti-zionist conspiracy as usual no mention of the brutal war crimes being the reason that this is a public issue and hotly debated no mention of that just young people were dumb apparently because of social media that that means young people is old because old people too are on social media and now the young people know what the neckar was they are better informed they are better politically engaged than they have been for Generations as the mainstream media cravenly runs its Pro genocide Lobby editorial line young people are on the mark they know more about world affairs and no they are not dumb they are getting it right and that’s because a lot of old people are stuffing it up now we don’t pretend to get it right all the time but we appreciate your support in the community because we don’t have commercial and political agendas we don’t know the government any money we don’t know corporate adverage as any money so thank you for your support
roughbarked said:
Gina Rinehart gifts Canberra gallery a portrait of herself, but with conditions
Such A Philanthropist, Sacrificing Her Own Reputation Over An Image, To Drive Business To A Gallery That Needs It
Mr Mitzevich also confirmed that visitor numbers to the gallery and to see the Vincent Namatjira exhibition increased dramatically following media reports about the requests to remove Ms Rinehart’s portrait. “Since the story was published on the Vincent Namatjira exhibition visitor numbers have increased 24 per cent,” he said.
Never Heard Of Any Of Them
Australian TikToker Georgia Godworth (@god_worthy) is going viral this hot minute after uploading a video where she interviews iconic director Baz Luhrmann in Sydney’s Newtown, completely unaware of who he is.
SCIENCE said:
Never Heard Of Any Of Them
Australian TikToker Georgia Godworth (@god_worthy) is going viral this hot minute after uploading a video where she interviews iconic director Baz Luhrmann in Sydney’s Newtown, completely unaware of who he is.
Well, at least I’d heard of Baz Luhrmann.
>>>>some 23,000 people foreigners yes dreaded foreigners arrived by plane in Australia last year they applied for Asylum and stayed freely working in the community during the same period 70 people arrived by boat there were four boats in all which were recorded it was these foreigners just 0.3% of that 23,000 which arrived by plane who were demonized by the media and politicians notably one boat was a bunch of young impoverished fishermen on the prow for tree Pang or sea cucumbers that got off course and landed on the shores of Western Australia and Border Force well there was a big kafuffle about that were they real fishermen or they imposters.
that’s not how the message is sold.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
dv said:
Bullwinkel eh?
Yeah, sounds a bit naff. Never heard of the personage it i named after.
Vivian Bullwinkel? Do yourself a favour, look her up, read her story.
I’d second that. Mr buffy’s Mum knew her and very much admired her. Old nurses, hey.
sarahs mum said:
>>>>some 23,000 people foreigners yes dreaded foreigners arrived by plane in Australia last year they applied for Asylum and stayed freely working in the community during the same period 70 people arrived by boat there were four boats in all which were recorded it was these foreigners just 0.3% of that 23,000 which arrived by plane who were demonized by the media and politicians notably one boat was a bunch of young impoverished fishermen on the prow for tree Pang or sea cucumbers that got off course and landed on the shores of Western Australia and Border Force well there was a big kafuffle about that were they real fishermen or they imposters.that’s not how the message is sold.
Never Heard Of Any Of Them
Australian TikToker Georgia Godworth (@god_worthy) is going viral this hot minute after uploading a video where she interviews iconic director Baz Luhrmann in Sydney’s Newtown, completely unaware of who he is.
WTF sorry please excuse the glitch, deja vu, whatever, probably the back button while we were paying with our credit cards.
Australia joins the industrial arms race
The government hopes to spend its way to a future as a green superpower
May 30th 2024|sydney
Digging and shipping have turned Australia into one of the world’s richest nations. The country mines its vast reserves of everything from iron ore and coal to lithium and gold, and exports them. Yet as the threat from climate change grows more urgent, it faces job losses in the fossil-fuel sectors that made it rich. To make up for that and to stave off industrial decline, Australia is joining the ranks of governments around the world spending billions to build green industries.
On May 14th the centre-left Labor government presented a budget that looks like a smaller version of America’s $1trn Inflation Reduction Act (ira), which aims to revive American manufacturing. It allocates almost A$23bn ($15bn) in subsidies and tax credits to clean energy and other technologies the government considers strategic. That includes almost A$14bn in tax breaks to help Australia establish a green hydrogen industry and to start processing “critical minerals” such as copper, lithium and rare earths that are needed for the transition to clean energy.
The goal is “to make ourselves a renewable energy superpower”, says Jim Chalmers, the treasurer (as the finance minister is known in Australia). The country has wind and sun aplenty and is rich in critical minerals. Yet Mr Chalmers argues that a leg-up is still needed to foster investment in new green industries.
One reason for the splurge is concern, shared with America, over China’s dominance of critical minerals and technologies. The government hopes that the handouts will allow local miners to challenge that dominance, particularly in processing. It is also hoping that the policy will spur growth in areas like solar-panel and battery production, reducing Australia’s dependence on a hostile competitor.
Australia is also trying to keep up with friendlier countries. Its clean-energy lobby complains that American subsidies have sucked investment out of Australia. Governments from Europe to South Korea are developing competing industrial policies. Australia must sharpen its elbows or risk losing out, Anthony Albanese, the prime minister, said in April.
Yet economists question the wisdom of manufacturing batteries or solar panels on a remote island with some of the world’s highest wages. They fear handouts will drain skills and capital from more efficient parts of its economy. Under a free-trade agreement with America, Australian companies are already eligible for ira subsidies, says Danielle Wood of Australia’s Productivity Commission, an independent agency that reviews economic policy. That makes it wasteful to give more public money to such sectors, she says. Peter Dutton, the conservative opposition leader, argues that green projects worth the investment should “stand up on their own”.
The politics will only get harder. Ahead of an election next year the government must pass legislation to enshrine its policy. Without support from minor parties, it may end up dead in the water.
https://www.economist.com/asia/2024/05/30/australia-joins-the-industrial-arms-race
Witty Rejoinder said:
Australia joins the industrial arms race
The government hopes to spend its way to a future as a green superpowerMay 30th 2024|sydney
Digging and shipping have turned Australia into one of the world’s richest nations. The country mines its vast reserves of everything from iron ore and coal to lithium and gold, and exports them. Yet as the threat from climate change grows more urgent, it faces job losses in the fossil-fuel sectors that made it rich. To make up for that and to stave off industrial decline, Australia is joining the ranks of governments around the world spending billions to build green industries.
On May 14th the centre-left Labor government presented a budget that looks like a smaller version of America’s $1trn Inflation Reduction Act (ira), which aims to revive American manufacturing. It allocates almost A$23bn ($15bn) in subsidies and tax credits to clean energy and other technologies the government considers strategic. That includes almost A$14bn in tax breaks to help Australia establish a green hydrogen industry and to start processing “critical minerals” such as copper, lithium and rare earths that are needed for the transition to clean energy.
The goal is “to make ourselves a renewable energy superpower”, says Jim Chalmers, the treasurer (as the finance minister is known in Australia). The country has wind and sun aplenty and is rich in critical minerals. Yet Mr Chalmers argues that a leg-up is still needed to foster investment in new green industries.
One reason for the splurge is concern, shared with America, over China’s dominance of critical minerals and technologies. The government hopes that the handouts will allow local miners to challenge that dominance, particularly in processing. It is also hoping that the policy will spur growth in areas like solar-panel and battery production, reducing Australia’s dependence on a hostile competitor.
Australia is also trying to keep up with friendlier countries. Its clean-energy lobby complains that American subsidies have sucked investment out of Australia. Governments from Europe to South Korea are developing competing industrial policies. Australia must sharpen its elbows or risk losing out, Anthony Albanese, the prime minister, said in April.
Yet economists question the wisdom of manufacturing batteries or solar panels on a remote island with some of the world’s highest wages. They fear handouts will drain skills and capital from more efficient parts of its economy. Under a free-trade agreement with America, Australian companies are already eligible for ira subsidies, says Danielle Wood of Australia’s Productivity Commission, an independent agency that reviews economic policy. That makes it wasteful to give more public money to such sectors, she says. Peter Dutton, the conservative opposition leader, argues that green projects worth the investment should “stand up on their own”.
The politics will only get harder. Ahead of an election next year the government must pass legislation to enshrine its policy. Without support from minor parties, it may end up dead in the water.
https://www.economist.com/asia/2024/05/30/australia-joins-the-industrial-arms-race
Remote island? We’re practically adjacent to Asia, the hub of the world.
LOL
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
Our fancies are more giddy and unfirm,
More longing, wavering, sooner lost and worn,
Than women’s are.
“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
Well look we’re the leftest of the left but even
Seventy-one per cent of those polled in this year’s survey also said it was either “somewhat” or “very” likely that China would become a military threat to Australia in the next 20 years — only a slight dip from the 75 per cent who said the same thing in 2022 and 2023.
we’re surprised that this went down not up. Maybe the 4% went across to the “extremely” camp¿
SCIENCE said:
LOL
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
Our fancies are more giddy and unfirm,
More longing, wavering, sooner lost and worn,
Than women’s are.“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
Tensions over chance of Frydenberg taking preselection from female candidate
Jake Evans profile image
51m ago
By Jake Evans
Former treasurer Josh Frydenberg is considering whether to try to reclaim his old seat of Kooyong, which he lost to “teal” challenger Monique Ryan at the last election — but doing so would require squeezing out the female candidate who has already won pre-selection there for the Liberal Party.
The Liberals chose Amelia Hamer as their election candidate for Kooyong in March, and critics say Frydenberg should have put his hand up then if he was interested in trying to regain his seat.
Broadcaster Charlotte Mortlock, who chairs Hilma’s Network devoted to helping pre-select more Liberal women, said it was “ludicrous” to suggest the process should be reopened for him.
Frydenberg was widely considered a first choice for future leader of the Liberals before losing his seat in an upset for the party in 2022.
Mortlock said that didn’t matter “when we’re asking a woman to stand aside to make way for him”.
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
SCIENCE said:
Worried About How Yous’ll Pay For Nuclear Ships That Sink ¿ Better Hurry Up And Renewablise That Energy Grid ¡
All told, the emission reductions from SO2 and NOx provided $249bn of climate and health benefits to the US, the authors found – a figure Millstein said he found was “noteworthy”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/29/renewable-energy-us-financial-benefits
Well good this
State and federal governments fork out more than $1 billion a year on auditing and consulting services delivered by the big four — EY, KPMG, Deloitte and PwC. Yet the structure of these high priests of commerce enables them to shirk more than $100 million a year in tax. A NSW parliamentary report tabled on Wednesday described the big four as “pseudo-corporations” that should be taxed accordingly.
should help to pay for those nuclear ships that sink as well¡
Bogsnorkler said:
“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
Well, it is the Liberal Party.
They can always hire some lass to make the tea, instead.
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:LOL
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
Our fancies are more giddy and unfirm,
More longing, wavering, sooner lost and worn,
Than women’s are.“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
Tensions over chance of Frydenberg taking preselection from female candidate
Jake Evans profile image
51m ago
By Jake EvansFormer treasurer Josh Frydenberg is considering whether to try to reclaim his old seat of Kooyong, which he lost to “teal” challenger Monique Ryan at the last election — but doing so would require squeezing out the female candidate who has already won pre-selection there for the Liberal Party.
The Liberals chose Amelia Hamer as their election candidate for Kooyong in March, and critics say Frydenberg should have put his hand up then if he was interested in trying to regain his seat.
Broadcaster Charlotte Mortlock, who chairs Hilma’s Network devoted to helping pre-select more Liberal women, said it was “ludicrous” to suggest the process should be reopened for him.
Frydenberg was widely considered a first choice for future leader of the Liberals before losing his seat in an upset for the party in 2022.
Mortlock said that didn’t matter “when we’re asking a woman to stand aside to make way for him”.
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
It is not just that. The electorate voted teal last time for a reason, it was a deliberate choice. Going back to Frydenberg might anger the electorate and make them more likely to vote teal a second time.
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
Well, it is the Liberal Party.
They can always hire some lass to make the tea, instead.
Seems all kinds of stupid.
JoFry somehow managed to lose Kooyong, which had been a blue ribbon seat for the Libs and their predecessors for 90 years. What would make them think he’s going to appeal to the voters they lost in 2022? Wasn’t even that close, Ryan won by 6%.
Secondly… although there are many reasons for the Tealwavez there’s no doubt that perception of sexism in the LPA was part of it. This move would only reinforce that idea. They can’t win government without getting back those Teal seats.
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:
SCIENCE said:LOL
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
Our fancies are more giddy and unfirm,
More longing, wavering, sooner lost and worn,
Than women’s are.“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
Tensions over chance of Frydenberg taking preselection from female candidate
Jake Evans profile image
51m ago
By Jake EvansFormer treasurer Josh Frydenberg is considering whether to try to reclaim his old seat of Kooyong, which he lost to “teal” challenger Monique Ryan at the last election — but doing so would require squeezing out the female candidate who has already won pre-selection there for the Liberal Party.
The Liberals chose Amelia Hamer as their election candidate for Kooyong in March, and critics say Frydenberg should have put his hand up then if he was interested in trying to regain his seat.
Broadcaster Charlotte Mortlock, who chairs Hilma’s Network devoted to helping pre-select more Liberal women, said it was “ludicrous” to suggest the process should be reopened for him.
Frydenberg was widely considered a first choice for future leader of the Liberals before losing his seat in an upset for the party in 2022.
Mortlock said that didn’t matter “when we’re asking a woman to stand aside to make way for him”.
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
It is not just that. The electorate voted teal last time for a reason, it was a deliberate choice. Going back to Frydenberg might anger the electorate and make them more likely to vote teal a second time.
I don’t think that making a woman give up her spot for a dude is a great look for a political party.. but it may be worth looking at this from the side of the LibNat leadership. (1) they need more front bench experience and (2) current world politics kind of lend themselves to Josh’s cultural background.
So I mean, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if it happened.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:First catch your binders.Bogsnorkler said:How’s their women quota going?“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”Well, it is the Liberal Party.
They can always hire some lass to make the tea, instead.
dv said:
Seems all kinds of stupid.JoFry somehow managed to lose Kooyong, which had been a blue ribbon seat for the Libs and their predecessors for 90 years. What would make them think he’s going to appeal to the voters they lost in 2022? Wasn’t even that close, Ryan won by 6%.
Secondly… although there are many reasons for the Tealwavez there’s no doubt that perception of sexism in the LPA was part of it. This move would only reinforce that idea. They can’t win government without getting back those Teal seats.
It all comes down to the redistribution though… the change in boundaries with the removal of Higgins shakes things up considerably.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Seems all kinds of stupid.JoFry somehow managed to lose Kooyong, which had been a blue ribbon seat for the Libs and their predecessors for 90 years. What would make them think he’s going to appeal to the voters they lost in 2022? Wasn’t even that close, Ryan won by 6%.
Secondly… although there are many reasons for the Tealwavez there’s no doubt that perception of sexism in the LPA was part of it. This move would only reinforce that idea. They can’t win government without getting back those Teal seats.
It all comes down to the redistribution though… the change in boundaries with the removal of Higgins shakes things up considerably.
Well I suppose we’ll see what we’ll see.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
Bogsnorkler said:Tensions over chance of Frydenberg taking preselection from female candidate
Jake Evans profile image
51m ago
By Jake EvansFormer treasurer Josh Frydenberg is considering whether to try to reclaim his old seat of Kooyong, which he lost to “teal” challenger Monique Ryan at the last election — but doing so would require squeezing out the female candidate who has already won pre-selection there for the Liberal Party.
The Liberals chose Amelia Hamer as their election candidate for Kooyong in March, and critics say Frydenberg should have put his hand up then if he was interested in trying to regain his seat.
Broadcaster Charlotte Mortlock, who chairs Hilma’s Network devoted to helping pre-select more Liberal women, said it was “ludicrous” to suggest the process should be reopened for him.
Frydenberg was widely considered a first choice for future leader of the Liberals before losing his seat in an upset for the party in 2022.
Mortlock said that didn’t matter “when we’re asking a woman to stand aside to make way for him”.
“What are we going to say, ‘Hey pussycat, thanks for quitting your job six months ago … but no sorry someone else has had a change of heart and would like to run, so move out of the way,’” she told ABC News Breakfast.
“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
It is not just that. The electorate voted teal last time for a reason, it was a deliberate choice. Going back to Frydenberg might anger the electorate and make them more likely to vote teal a second time.
I don’t think that making a woman give up her spot for a dude is a great look for a political party.. but it may be worth looking at this from the side of the LibNat leadership. (1) they need more front bench experience and (2) current world politics kind of lend themselves to Josh’s cultural background.
So I mean, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if it happened.
If they really think they need him, they’ll just have to find him another seat somewhere else. f all the seats are already taken then that’s just too bad, he’s left it too late.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:It is not just that. The electorate voted teal last time for a reason, it was a deliberate choice. Going back to Frydenberg might anger the electorate and make them more likely to vote teal a second time.
I don’t think that making a woman give up her spot for a dude is a great look for a political party.. but it may be worth looking at this from the side of the LibNat leadership. (1) they need more front bench experience and (2) current world politics kind of lend themselves to Josh’s cultural background.
So I mean, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if it happened.
If they really think they need him, they’ll just have to find him another seat somewhere else. f all the seats are already taken then that’s just too bad, he’s left it too late.
yeah, but that’s not really how it works
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:I don’t think that making a woman give up her spot for a dude is a great look for a political party.. but it may be worth looking at this from the side of the LibNat leadership. (1) they need more front bench experience and (2) current world politics kind of lend themselves to Josh’s cultural background.
So I mean, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if it happened.
If they really think they need him, they’ll just have to find him another seat somewhere else. f all the seats are already taken then that’s just too bad, he’s left it too late.
yeah, but that’s not really how it works
Well it might be. The Party might well be thinking the same thing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
Bogsnorkler said:“Turfing out a woman because he has changed his mind is entirely unacceptable.”
Well, it is the Liberal Party.
They can always hire some lass to make the tea, instead.
How’s their women quota going?
They don’t have one IIRC.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:If they really think they need him, they’ll just have to find him another seat somewhere else. f all the seats are already taken then that’s just too bad, he’s left it too late.
yeah, but that’s not really how it works
Well it might be. The Party might well be thinking the same thing.
But, maybe Josh knows what skeletons are in some people’s cupboards…
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:yeah, but that’s not really how it works
Well it might be. The Party might well be thinking the same thing.
But, maybe Josh knows what skeletons are in some people’s cupboards…
There’s a new seat in WA, maybe he can relocate…
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:yeah, but that’s not really how it works
Well it might be. The Party might well be thinking the same thing.
But, maybe Josh knows what skeletons are in some people’s cupboards…
Let’s not get too conspiratorial.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-03/foreign-affairs-poll-yougov-donald-trump-julian-assange-gaza/103920126
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:If they really think they need him, they’ll just have to find him another seat somewhere else. f all the seats are already taken then that’s just too bad, he’s left it too late.
yeah, but that’s not really how it works
Well it might be. The Party might well be thinking the same thing.
My point is that it works however the party wants it to work…
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-03/foreign-affairs-poll-yougov-donald-trump-julian-assange-gaza/103920126
Ukraine support faltering… I’m honestly amazed by that..
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-03/foreign-affairs-poll-yougov-donald-trump-julian-assange-gaza/103920126
Ukraine support faltering… I’m honestly amazed by that..
I’m disappointed by that.
Australia today has 352,000 fewer people than expected because of the pandemic migration slump
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-03/has-there-actually-been-a-surge-in-migrant-arrivals/103913490
Kingy said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
Ukraine support faltering… I’m honestly amazed by that..
I’m disappointed by that.
Team Sports Surprises Australians
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-03/foreign-affairs-poll-yougov-donald-trump-julian-assange-gaza/103920126
Ukraine support faltering… I’m honestly amazed by that..
There are a lot of people in Australia who would vote republican if we had a republican party.
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-03/foreign-affairs-poll-yougov-donald-trump-julian-assange-gaza/103920126
Ukraine support faltering… I’m honestly amazed by that..
There are a lot of people in Australia who would vote republican if we had a republican party.
I mean it depends on what you mean by a lot.
The Republican party is now somewhat to the right of our own One Nation party so they would probably only capture a sector of that market.
It would be in the hundreds of thousands so yeah I guess that is a lot.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
dv said:Well it might be. The Party might well be thinking the same thing.
But, maybe Josh knows what skeletons are in some people’s cupboards…
Let’s not get too conspiratorial.
About the party where the PM gets himself sworn in as the ‘ghost’ minister for five ministries, without informing the incumbent ministers?
About the party from which a minister denied that any sexual assault had occurred in her office, although, as a court later judged, it had?
About a party which, when in government, repeatedly secretly abused systems of grants and endowments to favour groups and locations to which they had social and political links?
No, nothing to suspect here, move along.
The budget basically didn’t move the dial at all in the polls. Labor still about 2% up, Albo still about 15% ahead of Dutto as preferred PM.
dv said:
roughbarked said:
diddly-squat said:Ukraine support faltering… I’m honestly amazed by that..
There are a lot of people in Australia who would vote republican if we had a republican party.
I mean it depends on what you mean by a lot.
The Republican party is now somewhat to the right of our own One Nation party so they would probably only capture a sector of that market.
It would be in the hundreds of thousands so yeah I guess that is a lot.
yeah, but “I think” what roughy means is that if the LibNats were equivalent to the GOP then they would likely garner a reasonable proportion of the 2PP vote.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
roughbarked said:There are a lot of people in Australia who would vote republican if we had a republican party.
I mean it depends on what you mean by a lot.
The Republican party is now somewhat to the right of our own One Nation party so they would probably only capture a sector of that market.
It would be in the hundreds of thousands so yeah I guess that is a lot.
yeah, but “I think” what roughy means is that if the LibNats were equivalent to the GOP then they would likely garner a reasonable proportion of the 2PP vote.
I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I mean it depends on what you mean by a lot.
The Republican party is now somewhat to the right of our own One Nation party so they would probably only capture a sector of that market.
It would be in the hundreds of thousands so yeah I guess that is a lot.
yeah, but “I think” what roughy means is that if the LibNats were equivalent to the GOP then they would likely garner a reasonable proportion of the 2PP vote.
I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
All else aside, I don’t think there would be too many LibNat voters here that would, if polled right now, just go, “hell yeah, them Dems are the party for me…”
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:yeah, but “I think” what roughy means is that if the LibNats were equivalent to the GOP then they would likely garner a reasonable proportion of the 2PP vote.
I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
All else aside, I don’t think there would be too many LibNat voters here that would, if polled right now, just go, “hell yeah, them Dems are the party for me…”
Roughly this.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:yeah, but “I think” what roughy means is that if the LibNats were equivalent to the GOP then they would likely garner a reasonable proportion of the 2PP vote.
I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.
Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
Yes. The GOP is now far to the right of One Nation, who only get fringe votes here.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
In a way, I wasn’t necessarily talking in those terms.
I was speaking more of the general stuff I hear from people who voice their opinions.
The ignorance is not an unsubstantial sector.
Heck … even the Libs are far too right wing for Australia. They ended up with a quarter of the seats last time and that was under “moderate” Morrison and they have gone further right since then.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
We would like to agree with dv but we think dv is being wildly optimistic.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I mean it wouldn’t be nothing but it wouldn’t be close. Australia has a pretty good “thermostat” and when parties stray from the centre they get hammered.
sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
human being belong to tribes
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
human being belong to tribes
There are huge numbers of swinging voters in Australia. People vote for what they like.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:sure… but I mean if you were to transplant the two American parties here in Australia and remove all else, I think the split in the vote would be similar to what we see now.
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
human being belong to tribes
To be clearer, I think that we live in a time that is dominated by identify politics and I don’t think that a large proportion of Australians could, in an articulate and precise way, describe the difference in the policy platform between the Labs and Libs.
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
human being belong to tribes
To be clearer, I think that we live in a time that is dominated by identify politics and I don’t think that a large proportion of Australians could, in an articulate and precise way, describe the difference in the policy platform between the Labs and Libs.
Well you say “to be clearer” but that’s a completely different scenario from what we were discussing. Labor and Liberals do tend to hover a smidge to the left and right (respectively) about the centre because our system as I say is a good “thermostat”: they so hover because they know that is their best chance of getting votes. If suddenly Australia had two parties miles away from the values of middle Australia, their support would be limited. Australians are much more cynical about parties: heck, only about two thirds of them gave their first preference to Labor or the Coalition last time: they preferred someone else and then ultimately directed preference to the “least worst” of the majors. They aren’t in love with either party the way some Americans are baked on to their parties.
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
human being belong to tribes
To be clearer, I think that we live in a time that is dominated by identify politics and I don’t think that a large proportion of Australians could, in an articulate and precise way, describe the difference in the policy platform between the Labs and Libs.
Most people say there isn’t much difference between the parties.
dv said:
They aren’t in love with either party the way some Americans are baked on to their parties.
that is probably fair.. maybe I’ve just been consuming too much US political media content at the moment…
Over there people don’t vote Democratic or Republican.. they are Democratic or Republican… I guess you don’t see that quite to the same extent here.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
diddly-squat said:human being belong to tribes
To be clearer, I think that we live in a time that is dominated by identify politics and I don’t think that a large proportion of Australians could, in an articulate and precise way, describe the difference in the policy platform between the Labs and Libs.
Well you say “to be clearer” but that’s a completely different scenario from what we were discussing. Labor and Liberals do tend to hover a smidge to the left and right (respectively) about the centre because our system as I say is a good “thermostat”: they so hover because they know that is their best chance of getting votes. If suddenly Australia had two parties miles away from the values of middle Australia, their support would be limited. Australians are much more cynical about parties: heck, only about two thirds of them gave their first preference to Labor or the Coalition last time: they preferred someone else and then ultimately directed preference to the “least worst” of the majors. They aren’t in love with either party the way some Americans are baked on to their parties.
Sounds about right.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
I 100% don’t agree.
If you transplant two American parties here and remove all else, then immediately more moderate and left wing parties would just emerge and capture the vote. The Democrats would be too right wing for Australia.
If for some magical reason the formation of new parties was disallowed, then the Democrats would get 97% of the vote and the Republicans 3% because people would just vote for the least bad option. Australians do tend to vote pragmatically.Human beings have values and viewpoints. They don’t forget immediately that they support legal abortion or livable wages or the rule of law or fair elections.
human being belong to tribes
There are huge numbers of swinging voters in Australia. People vote for what they like.
People like populists.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
They aren’t in love with either party the way some Americans are baked on to their parties.
that is probably fair.. maybe I’ve just been consuming too much US political media content at the moment…
Over there people don’t vote Democratic or Republican.. they are Democratic or Republican… I guess you don’t see that quite to the same extent here.
Heck, there’s no party in Australia that I’d give more than about a 4 out of 10. I voted Green last time just as a blunt instrument to drag Labor to the left.
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
They aren’t in love with either party the way some Americans are baked on to their parties.
that is probably fair.. maybe I’ve just been consuming too much US political media content at the moment…
Over there people don’t vote Democratic or Republican.. they are Democratic or Republican… I guess you don’t see that quite to the same extent here.
Sure, when media blabber about the Australian figureheads they don’t go LAB-QLD or LIB-SA the way they R-NY and D-AZ but we still don’t share the optimism.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
diddly-squat said:To be clearer, I think that we live in a time that is dominated by identify politics and I don’t think that a large proportion of Australians could, in an articulate and precise way, describe the difference in the policy platform between the Labs and Libs.
Well you say “to be clearer” but that’s a completely different scenario from what we were discussing. Labor and Liberals do tend to hover a smidge to the left and right (respectively) about the centre because our system as I say is a good “thermostat”: they so hover because they know that is their best chance of getting votes. If suddenly Australia had two parties miles away from the values of middle Australia, their support would be limited. Australians are much more cynical about parties: heck, only about two thirds of them gave their first preference to Labor or the Coalition last time: they preferred someone else and then ultimately directed preference to the “least worst” of the majors. They aren’t in love with either party the way some Americans are baked on to their parties.
Sounds about right.
dv said:
diddly-squat said:
dv said:
They aren’t in love with either party the way some Americans are baked on to their parties.
that is probably fair.. maybe I’ve just been consuming too much US political media content at the moment…
Over there people don’t vote Democratic or Republican.. they are Democratic or Republican… I guess you don’t see that quite to the same extent here.
Heck, there’s no party in Australia that I’d give more than about a 4 out of 10. I voted Green last time just as a blunt instrument to drag Labor to the left.
I wonder if Macnamara would be an option for Josh. Jew on Jew fight to the death!
The Shovel
@TheShovel
After a period of candid self-reflection, and an acknowledgement of the surge in support for female Teal candidates at the last election, Liberal strategists say the best person to replace rejected Kooyong MP Josh Frydenberg is … Josh Frydenberg
11:15 AM · Jun 3, 2024
Witty Rejoinder said:
I wonder if Macnamara would be an option for Josh. Jew on Jew fight to the death!
If I’m reading the proposed changes correctly Macnamara doesn’t inherit much from Higgins but if there is some disquiet in Melbourne’s Jewish community about Labor’s stance on Gaza it’s possible that Josh could get up. Macnamara is one of those electorates where a close three horse race with the Greens make the race more complicated after preferences.
https://www.aec.gov.au/redistributions/2023/vic/proposed-redistribution/maps/a4/2024-AEC-Victoria-A4-Macnamara-Proposed.pdf
sarahs mum said:
The Shovel
@TheShovel
After a period of candid self-reflection, and an acknowledgement of the surge in support for female Teal candidates at the last election, Liberal strategists say the best person to replace rejected Kooyong MP Josh Frydenberg is … Josh Frydenberg
11:15 AM · Jun 3, 2024
LOL
diddly-squat said:
Over there people don’t vote Democratic or Republican.. they are Democratic or Republican… I guess you don’t see that quite to the same extent here.
I was recently reading someone’s writings on religion in medieval times. He explained that religion was not part of life, it was life. Everything that any person did was, in some way, related to religion. Religion was the ultimate purpose, it was what everyone was here for, it defined a person’s existence.
In a similar way, and, it seems, particularly on the Republican side, for some people in the US, being Republican or Democrat is what being is all about. It’s not a belief, or an opinion, or an attitude, or viewpoint. It’s the defining, commanding, superlative reason for their life, over-riding everything else.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:Over there people don’t vote Democratic or Republican.. they are Democratic or Republican… I guess you don’t see that quite to the same extent here.
I was recently reading someone’s writings on religion in medieval times. He explained that religion was not part of life, it was life. Everything that any person did was, in some way, related to religion. Religion was the ultimate purpose, it was what everyone was here for, it defined a person’s existence.
In a similar way, and, it seems, particularly on the Republican side, for some people in the US, being Republican or Democrat is what being is all about. It’s not a belief, or an opinion, or an attitude, or viewpoint. It’s the defining, commanding, superlative reason for their life, over-riding everything else.
No wonder they’re such miserable bastards.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Josh says he won’t push out Dick Hamer’s grand niece
…but, if the party insists…
like Julius refusing the laurels
dv said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Josh says he won’t push out Dick Hamer’s grand niece
…but, if the party insists…
like Julius refusing the laurels
On the Long March, many in the Chinese communist army were close to starvation, but Mao Zedong declined to share the hardships of the troops.
He recognised that many were suffering greatly, but, as he put it “ if ‘the masses’ insist that, Mao, you should eat two chickens a day, who am i to argue?’.
captain_spalding said:
dv said:
captain_spalding said:…but, if the party insists…
like Julius refusing the laurels
On the Long March, many in the Chinese communist army were close to starvation, but Mao Zedong declined to share the hardships of the troops.
He recognised that many were suffering greatly, but, as he put it “ if ‘the masses’ insist that, Mao, you should eat two chickens a day, who am i to argue?’.
That’s what I tell my kids
From migration to nuclear energy and Donald Trump to China, Australians’ attitudes towards issues both at home and abroad have been revealed.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/how-australians-feel-about-migration-and-multiculturalism/uwtixn56i
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
China will be furious!
Wait We Thought Only Dirty Authoritarian Communist Cuntries Were Allowed To Override Business Interests
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
China will be furious!
Wait We Thought Only Dirty Authoritarian Communist Cuntries Were Allowed To Override Business Interests
Nah it’s all good. Let’s develop our own nuclear weapons and hyper-sonic missiles too. That’ll fuck ‘em!
party_pants said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
ABC News:
China will be furious!
Wait We Thought Only Dirty Authoritarian Communist Cuntries Were Allowed To Override Business Interests
Nah it’s all good. Let’s develop our own nuclear weapons and hyper-sonic missiles too. That’ll fuck ‘em!
To be honest we’re used to playing those games where defenders have such an advantage that economic slash diplomatic victories are far more viable but hey we’re under no illusions on how shitty wars can get.
Anyway having a quick skim through
Hamer herself seemed to have a veiled dig at Frydenberg on Sunday, posting on social media from a local athletics event that “here in Kooyong the community loves to support strong women”. In the end, as it so often has been, the comeback never was, with Frydenberg again withdrawing from a campaign he never officially entered. In doing so, he said he was backing Hamer’s campaign.
you’d be forgiven for thinking that this was just a feint, a bit of a sacrificial josh, to make Corruption look better for staring down temptation and supporting its females.
Well Look Josh Would Have Done A Better Job
SCIENCE said:
Well Look Josh Would Have Done A Better Job
Josh obviously couldn’t find any sorta decent job since (p’raps nobody would have him) otherwise he wouldn’t be gunna try and get his old job back.
also copied from Facebook
>>>03 June 2024
Robodebt lawyer quits over consulting
A government lawyer who played a key role in the robodebt scandal has resigned amid revelations she was consulting for a firm that provides legal advice to government departments.
What we know:
Former chief counsel of the department of human services, Annette Musolino, resigned after media questions about her a role at Canberra-based firm Allygroup, which provides millions of dollars worth of legal services to government every year (ABC);
Musolino was working for Allygroup as a contractor while on leave from her current role as chief operating officer of Services Australia;
“When allegations were made that may have been moonlighting, the minister asked Services Australia to investigate immediately. subsequently resigned,” a spokesperson for Government Services Minister Bill Shorten said;
It comes nearly a year after Musolino was harshly criticised in a report by the robodebt royal commission (The Saturday Paper);
Musolino was accused of playing along in a game of hide-and-seek with the provision of external legal advice “because she knew that DHS executives … did not want to be told they should seek independent advice because of the likelihood of its confirming that income averaging was unlawful and the professional consequences that they would face in that event”;
Musolino also provided the legal sign-off of releasing personal information to the media about robodebt victims who criticised the scheme (The Monthly);
Former human services minister Alan Tudge had “created a new reality where every time he felt aggrieved he was getting the chief counsel, Annette Musolino, to sign off on his release of … personal details from Centrelink records … he had a copy of the Centrelink record of every person who had ever complained about a Centrelink debt at this point” (7am);
It comes as a further three public servants last week were found to have breached the Australian Public Service’s code of conduct through their involvement in robodebt, bringing the total to seven (The Mandarin).
So we’ve finally worked it out this whole inflation scam is
due to you phrieeqs in regional areas generating demand driving prices sky high, we just went to an urbanised supermarket the other day and found groceries at prices virtually the same as 20 years ago, for an inflation of yoy0, obviously
the solution is simple, just get rid of regional areas and money good¡
Also don’t ask us what happened with Your ABC link going offensive blue, that’s just how it loaded on our screen, but we reloaded and it went black the same it was previously.
SCIENCE said:
So we’ve finally worked it out this whole inflation scam is
due to you phrieeqs in regional areas generating demand driving prices sky high, we just went to an urbanised supermarket the other day and found groceries at prices virtually the same as 20 years ago, for an inflation of yoy0, obviously
the solution is simple, just get rid of regional areas and money good¡
Also don’t ask us what happened with Your ABC link going offensive blue, that’s just how it loaded on our screen, but we reloaded and it went black the same it was previously.
don’t have a choice? of course they do
SCIENCE said:
So we’ve finally worked it out this whole inflation scam is
due to you phrieeqs in regional areas generating demand driving prices sky high, we just went to an urbanised supermarket the other day and found groceries at prices virtually the same as 20 years ago, for an inflation of yoy0, obviously
the solution is simple, just get rid of regional areas and money good¡
Also don’t ask us what happened with Your ABC link going offensive blue, that’s just how it loaded on our screen, but we reloaded and it went black the same it was previously.
Soggy Sao becomes an expensive game
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:So we’ve finally worked it out this whole inflation scam is
due to you phrieeqs in regional areas generating demand driving prices sky high, we just went to an urbanised supermarket the other day and found groceries at prices virtually the same as 20 years ago, for an inflation of yoy0, obviously
the solution is simple, just get rid of regional areas and money good¡
Also don’t ask us what happened with Your ABC link going offensive blue, that’s just how it loaded on our screen, but we reloaded and it went black the same it was previously.
Soggy Sao becomes an expensive game
Steady lad.
