Date: 13/05/2024 10:18:20
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 2153761
Subject: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

https://www.sciencealert.com/giant-blobs-in-the-pacific-ocean-finally-have-their-origins-revealed

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A new study from an international team of researchers, and involving some detailed computer simulations, has linked the blobs to a reduction in aerosol emissions in China – so a policy designed to improve environmental conditions may have also come with negative consequences attached.

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Date: 13/05/2024 10:27:06
From: Michael V
ID: 2153766
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

Bogsnorkler said:


https://www.sciencealert.com/giant-blobs-in-the-pacific-ocean-finally-have-their-origins-revealed

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A new study from an international team of researchers, and involving some detailed computer simulations, has linked the blobs to a reduction in aerosol emissions in China – so a policy designed to improve environmental conditions may have also come with negative consequences attached.

Huh. Interesting. So Chinese aerosols were artificially reducing the effects of CO2 on climate. Cleaning up those aerosols has stopped masking that effect.

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Date: 13/05/2024 10:43:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2153771
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

Michael V said:


Bogsnorkler said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/giant-blobs-in-the-pacific-ocean-finally-have-their-origins-revealed

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A new study from an international team of researchers, and involving some detailed computer simulations, has linked the blobs to a reduction in aerosol emissions in China – so a policy designed to improve environmental conditions may have also come with negative consequences attached.

Huh. Interesting. So Chinese aerosols were artificially reducing the effects of CO2 on climate. Cleaning up those aerosols has stopped masking that effect.

I have often wondered if the occurrence of heat surges following major international economic downturns was a coincidence.

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Date: 13/05/2024 10:49:44
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2153775
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

I see pseudo-skeptic Spencer hasn’t updated his graph for April yet.

I wonder why that would be?

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Date: 13/05/2024 11:20:07
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2153780
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see pseudo-skeptic Spencer hasn’t updated his graph for April yet.

I wonder why that would be?


So it’s plateaued.

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Date: 13/05/2024 11:21:40
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2153783
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

and fk CHINA of course

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Date: 13/05/2024 11:48:47
From: buffy
ID: 2153795
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

The Rev Dodgson said:


I see pseudo-skeptic Spencer hasn’t updated his graph for April yet.

I wonder why that would be?


Is there something special about 13 months? Why use a 13 month average?

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Date: 13/05/2024 11:54:29
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2153798
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

buffy said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

I see pseudo-skeptic Spencer hasn’t updated his graph for April yet.

I wonder why that would be?


Is there something special about 13 months? Why use a 13 month average?

I don’t know, but the Internet says:

“Remember, the choice of 13 months is somewhat arbitrary, but using an odd number of months allows centered plotting without time lag between the two plotted time series”

I suspect it may also generate false 13 year cycles, which would be a good thing for a climate pseudo-skeptic, but I guess that effect would be fairly small.

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Date: 13/05/2024 11:56:18
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2153799
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I see pseudo-skeptic Spencer hasn’t updated his graph for April yet.

I wonder why that would be?


Is there something special about 13 months? Why use a 13 month average?

I don’t know, but the Internet says:

“Remember, the choice of 13 months is somewhat arbitrary, but using an odd number of months allows centered plotting without time lag between the two plotted time series”

I suspect it may also generate false 13 year cycles, which would be a good thing for a climate pseudo-skeptic, but I guess that effect would be fairly small.

What’s special about 13 * 12 versus any other 13N cycle¿

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Date: 13/05/2024 12:02:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2153804
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

buffy said:

Is there something special about 13 months? Why use a 13 month average?

I don’t know, but the Internet says:

“Remember, the choice of 13 months is somewhat arbitrary, but using an odd number of months allows centered plotting without time lag between the two plotted time series”

I suspect it may also generate false 13 year cycles, which would be a good thing for a climate pseudo-skeptic, but I guess that effect would be fairly small.

What’s special about 13 * 12 versus any other 13N cycle¿

If one part of the year tends to be hotter than average, then the 13 month rolling average will have a false peak when any month from that period is included twice, and vice versa.

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Date: 13/05/2024 12:05:19
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2153808
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I don’t know, but the Internet says:

“Remember, the choice of 13 months is somewhat arbitrary, but using an odd number of months allows centered plotting without time lag between the two plotted time series”

I suspect it may also generate false 13 year cycles, which would be a good thing for a climate pseudo-skeptic, but I guess that effect would be fairly small.

What’s special about 13 * 12 versus any other 13N cycle¿

If one part of the year tends to be hotter than average, then the 13 month rolling average will have a false peak when any month from that period is included twice, and vice versa.

Oh right you mean 13 month cycles¿

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Date: 13/05/2024 12:07:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2153810
Subject: re: Giant 'Blobs' in The Pacific Ocean

SCIENCE said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

SCIENCE said:

What’s special about 13 * 12 versus any other 13N cycle¿

If one part of the year tends to be hotter than average, then the 13 month rolling average will have a false peak when any month from that period is included twice, and vice versa.

Oh right you mean 13 month cycles¿

OK, that does seem to be what I meant.

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