The usual scenario is that there’s not much happening politically in Australia on a weekend until somebody gets onto Insiders tomorrow morning, makes a statement about something, and the media cycle takes off again.

A good time then to move to a new thread.

The house has been cleaned, the bed linen has been changed, and the kettle has just boiled.

Make yourself at home…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/town-recruits-international-workers-to-fix-childcare-crisis/103906826

lunk class=“quote”>buffy said:

This is good for the children, exposing them to lots of different people, setting their “normal” as diverse.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/town-recruits-international-workers-to-fix-childcare-crisis/103906826

I think we need to give serious consideration to making some sort of regional immigration visa. People can come and live and work but only in a specified region. The local governments and/or the state governments can ask the federal government for X number of visas to be issued for whatever workers are needed in that area, whether skilled or unskilled. People taking up such a visa can only work in that region. They would have the equivalent of a tourist visa for the rest of the country but can’t work anywhere else.

It would need to be for a fixed period of time I guess, after which the person can apply for full residency or citizenship. But by then hopefully they are settled in the area and don’t want to move to the capital cities.

party_pants said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/town-recruits-international-workers-to-fix-childcare-crisis/103906826

lunk class=“quote”>buffy said:

This is good for the children, exposing them to lots of different people, setting their “normal” as diverse.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/town-recruits-international-workers-to-fix-childcare-crisis/103906826

I think we need to give serious consideration to making some sort of regional immigration visa. People can come and live and work but only in a specified region. The local governments and/or the state governments can ask the federal government for X number of visas to be issued for whatever workers are needed in that area, whether skilled or unskilled. People taking up such a visa can only work in that region. They would have the equivalent of a tourist visa for the rest of the country but can’t work anywhere else.

It would need to be for a fixed period of time I guess, after which the person can apply for full residency or citizenship. But by then hopefully they are settled in the area and don’t want to move to the capital cities.

Yeah that would be a useful policy.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/town-recruits-international-workers-to-fix-childcare-crisis/103906826

lunk class=“quote”>buffy said:

This is good for the children, exposing them to lots of different people, setting their “normal” as diverse.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/town-recruits-international-workers-to-fix-childcare-crisis/103906826

I think we need to give serious consideration to making some sort of regional immigration visa. People can come and live and work but only in a specified region. The local governments and/or the state governments can ask the federal government for X number of visas to be issued for whatever workers are needed in that area, whether skilled or unskilled. People taking up such a visa can only work in that region. They would have the equivalent of a tourist visa for the rest of the country but can’t work anywhere else.

It would need to be for a fixed period of time I guess, after which the person can apply for full residency or citizenship. But by then hopefully they are settled in the area and don’t want to move to the capital cities.

Yeah that would be a useful policy.

In Canada they have a refugee program where a community can sponsor someone or a family.

Perhaps we could have sponsored working visas where after so many years working in an area one could apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-01/town-recruits-international-workers-to-fix-childcare-crisis/103906826

“lunk”:

I think we need to give serious consideration to making some sort of regional immigration visa. People can come and live and work but only in a specified region. The local governments and/or the state governments can ask the federal government for X number of visas to be issued for whatever workers are needed in that area, whether skilled or unskilled. People taking up such a visa can only work in that region. They would have the equivalent of a tourist visa for the rest of the country but can’t work anywhere else.

It would need to be for a fixed period of time I guess, after which the person can apply for full residency or citizenship. But by then hopefully they are settled in the area and don’t want to move to the capital cities.

Yeah that would be a useful policy.

In Canada they have a refugee program where a community can sponsor someone or a family.

Perhaps we could have sponsored working visas where after so many years working in an area one could apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah that would be a useful policy.

In Canada they have a refugee program where a community can sponsor someone or a family.

Perhaps we could have sponsored working visas where after so many years working in an area one could apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

Easy, everyone has to work their way up to full qualifications, existing citizenship or not.

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Yeah that would be a useful policy.

In Canada they have a refugee program where a community can sponsor someone or a family.

Perhaps we could have sponsored working visas where after so many years working in an area one could apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

You racists all love a coolie.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

In Canada they have a refugee program where a community can sponsor someone or a family.

Perhaps we could have sponsored working visas where after so many years working in an area one could apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

You racists all love a coolie.

Apartheid is all the rage.

Witty Rejoinder said:

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

You racists all love a coolie.

Apartheid is all the rage.

It’s more Singapore than South Africa.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

In Canada they have a refugee program where a community can sponsor someone or a family.

Perhaps we could have sponsored working visas where after so many years working in an area one could apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

You racists all love a coolie.

Somebody’s gotta pick the goddamn cotton.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

sarahs mum said:

In Canada they have a refugee program where a community can sponsor someone or a family.

Perhaps we could have sponsored working visas where after so many years working in an area one could apply for permanent residency or citizenship.

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

You racists all love a coolie.

No coolies, it would be whites only from South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ireland, northern England, Russia and eastern Europe etc :P

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, a sort of start at the bottom and work your way up to full citizenship over a period of years.

It does mean we create a new category of “second-class citizens” with fewer rights in the process. Sponsorships can be open to abuse and exploitation, so we ave to be careful how we frame that process.

You racists all love a coolie.

No coolies, it would be whites only from South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ireland, northern England, Russia and eastern Europe etc :P

Ireland’s richer than Switzerland these days, bloody low corporate tax rate domicile bastards!

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

You racists all love a coolie.

No coolies, it would be whites only from South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ireland, northern England, Russia and eastern Europe etc :P

Ireland’s richer than Switzerland these days, bloody low corporate tax rate domicile bastards!

Yeah, but this is whenever economists point out that you can’t read too much into GDP numbers, they cite Ireland as an example. Massive GDP per cpita on paper, but still a relatively poor country at street level.

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

No coolies, it would be whites only from South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ireland, northern England, Russia and eastern Europe etc :P

Ireland’s richer than Switzerland these days, bloody low corporate tax rate domicile bastards!

Yeah, but this is whenever economists point out that you can’t read too much into GDP numbers, they cite Ireland as an example. Massive GDP per cpita on paper, but still a relatively poor country at street level.

It’s not that distorted. Using GDP PPP you can see Ireland is wealthier than all of the larger European countries but then it is easy for minnows to excel in the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Ireland’s richer than Switzerland these days, bloody low corporate tax rate domicile bastards!

Yeah, but this is whenever economists point out that you can’t read too much into GDP numbers, they cite Ireland as an example. Massive GDP per cpita on paper, but still a relatively poor country at street level.

It’s not that distorted. Using GDP PPP you can see Ireland is wealthier than all of the larger European countries but then it is easy for minnows to excel in the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

OK, well, look… if push comes to shove you can cross Ireland off the list and install some poorer states of the USA instead. I don’t care where they are from, so long as they are white :p

party_pants said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

Yeah, but this is whenever economists point out that you can’t read too much into GDP numbers, they cite Ireland as an example. Massive GDP per cpita on paper, but still a relatively poor country at street level.

It’s not that distorted. Using GDP PPP you can see Ireland is wealthier than all of the larger European countries but then it is easy for minnows to excel in the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

OK, well, look… if push comes to shove you can cross Ireland off the list and install some poorer states of the USA instead. I don’t care where they are from, so long as they are white :p

Hah.

party_pants said:

OK, well, look… if push comes to shove you can cross Ireland off the list and install some poorer states of the USA instead. I don’t care where they are from, so long as they are white :p

Or various shades thereof.😁

Josh Frydenberg considering return to politics at next election after Kooyong boundary change

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103924628

Witty Rejoinder said:

Josh Frydenberg considering return to politics at next election after Kooyong boundary change

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103924628

Alternative:

‘Sneaky little shit just can’t stay away from the trough’.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Josh Frydenberg considering return to politics at next election after Kooyong boundary change

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103924628

Alternative:

‘Sneaky little shit just can’t stay away from the trough’.

I dunno. He’s better than half the opposition front bench. Angus Taylor makes Josh look like Mother Teresa.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Josh Frydenberg considering return to politics at next election after Kooyong boundary change

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103924628

Alternative:

‘Sneaky little shit just can’t stay away from the trough’.

I dunno. He’s better than half the opposition front bench. Angus Taylor makes Josh look like Mother Teresa.

Agreed.

captain_spalding said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Alternative:

‘Sneaky little shit just can’t stay away from the trough’.

I dunno. He’s better than half the opposition front bench. Angus Taylor makes Josh look like Mother Teresa.

Agreed.

He wants to come back to be some sort of replacement for the other potato head. Probably prompted by a faction of the party.

In short:
•Labor minister Murray Watt has clarified the government is using drones to capture images of the accommodation of 151 released detainees subject to monitoring and restrictive conditions.
•Immigration Minister Andrew Giles last week implied drones were being used to monitor the detainees themselves, •but the AFP subsequently said it had no knowledge of the use of drones.

What’s next? Parliament resumes on Monday. LINK

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

I guess drone shows are better for the environment than foreworks or releasing balloons.

You’d think in this day and age a good VR would be all that’s required and they can save the drones for battle.

In short:

• Labor minister Murray Watt has clarified the government is using drones to capture images of the accommodation of 151 released detainees subject to monitoring and restrictive conditions.
• Immigration Minister Andrew Giles last week implied drones were being used to monitor the detainees themselves, •but the AFP subsequently said it had no knowledge of the use of drones.

What’s next? Parliament resumes on Monday. LINK

Robocop Here We Go ¡

Witty Rejoinder said:

Josh Frydenberg considering return to politics at next election after Kooyong boundary change

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103924628

Ha goodo

Martin was formerly the Liberal member for Reid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/30/australia-victoria-mens-behaviour-change-domestic-violence/

Link

Medibank is facing up to $21.5 trillion in fines
45m ago
By Emilia Terzon

$21,534,000,000,000 to be precise.

We got that number after confirming that the OAIC is going after Medibank over its cyber attack, alleging a contravention for each individual 9.7m people whose data was breached.

If found culpable, each individual contravention comes with a maximum fine of $2.22m.

Which works out to $21.5 trillion.

Of course, it’ll all come down to the court whether it even would consider applying the maximum penalty for each individual. But it does show you the threats being lodged at Medibank.

The group’s net profit after tax for the first half of FY 2023 was up 5.9 per cent to $233.3m.

Its revenue rose 1.3 per cent to $3.65bn.

SCIENCE said:

Medibank is facing up to $21.5 trillion in fines
45m ago
By Emilia Terzon

$21,534,000,000,000 to be precise.

We got that number after confirming that the OAIC is going after Medibank over its cyber attack, alleging a contravention for each individual 9.7m people whose data was breached.

If found culpable, each individual contravention comes with a maximum fine of $2.22m.

Which works out to $21.5 trillion.

Of course, it’ll all come down to the court whether it even would consider applying the maximum penalty for each individual. But it does show you the threats being lodged at Medibank.

The group’s net profit after tax for the first half of FY 2023 was up 5.9 per cent to $233.3m.

Its revenue rose 1.3 per cent to $3.65bn.

$21.5 trillion.

Severe.

Of course, it wouldn’t mean that anyone on the board takes a pay cut, or anything like that. Let’s not be absurd about this.

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Medibank is facing up to $21.5 trillion in fines
45m ago
By Emilia Terzon

$21,534,000,000,000 to be precise.

We got that number after confirming that the OAIC is going after Medibank over its cyber attack, alleging a contravention for each individual 9.7m people whose data was breached.

If found culpable, each individual contravention comes with a maximum fine of $2.22m.

Which works out to $21.5 trillion.

Of course, it’ll all come down to the court whether it even would consider applying the maximum penalty for each individual. But it does show you the threats being lodged at Medibank.

The group’s net profit after tax for the first half of FY 2023 was up 5.9 per cent to $233.3m.

Its revenue rose 1.3 per cent to $3.65bn.

$21.5 trillion.

Severe.

Of course, it wouldn’t mean that anyone on the board takes a pay cut, or anything like that. Let’s not be absurd about this.

Yeah they seem to agree with yous.

Is fining the company a good or bad thing?
Emilia Terzon profile image
2h ago

By Emilia Terzon

Re. Medibank. Fining the company and its shareholders is the wrong approach. Fining the board and key executives responsible for privacy protection is the only way to change corporate culture. – Keith Bettles

Thanks for your comments on Medibank
Emilia Terzon profile image
2h ago

By Emilia Terzon

I think corporate fines of $50 m is the easy way out. The company, it’s shareholders who are victims too, are fined and pay for it out of the billions of revenue. We need an order to restore the privacy of those affected. New licences, new Medicare cards, new credit cards, credit agency monitoring., new passports. Sounds expensive…but it is, for the victims. A restoration order and sanctions against directors should be the response. A $50m fine is a “ let’s go and have lunch” response. – STEVE

SCIENCE said:

captain_spalding said:

SCIENCE said:

Medibank is facing up to $21.5 trillion in fines
45m ago
By Emilia Terzon

$21,534,000,000,000 to be precise.

We got that number after confirming that the OAIC is going after Medibank over its cyber attack, alleging a contravention for each individual 9.7m people whose data was breached.

If found culpable, each individual contravention comes with a maximum fine of $2.22m.

Which works out to $21.5 trillion.

Of course, it’ll all come down to the court whether it even would consider applying the maximum penalty for each individual. But it does show you the threats being lodged at Medibank.

The group’s net profit after tax for the first half of FY 2023 was up 5.9 per cent to $233.3m.

Its revenue rose 1.3 per cent to $3.65bn.

$21.5 trillion.

Severe.

Of course, it wouldn’t mean that anyone on the board takes a pay cut, or anything like that. Let’s not be absurd about this.

Yeah they seem to agree with yous.

Is fining the company a good or bad thing?
Emilia Terzon profile image
2h ago

By Emilia Terzon

Re. Medibank. Fining the company and its shareholders is the wrong approach. Fining the board and key executives responsible for privacy protection is the only way to change corporate culture. – Keith Bettles

Thanks for your comments on Medibank
Emilia Terzon profile image
2h ago

By Emilia Terzon

I think corporate fines of $50 m is the easy way out. The company, it’s shareholders who are victims too, are fined and pay for it out of the billions of revenue. We need an order to restore the privacy of those affected. New licences, new Medicare cards, new credit cards, credit agency monitoring., new passports. Sounds expensive…but it is, for the victims. A restoration order and sanctions against directors should be the response. A $50m fine is a “ let’s go and have lunch” response. – STEVE

I suppose it does come down to how much effort is put into cyber security, are they are aware of vulnerabilities and don’t care

I don’t imagine any system is secure against a determined hacker(s).

The opposition leader said there was a bipartisan position in calling on the Greens to not condone the acts of protests.

So the Australian Overton porthole has shifted hard left.

SCIENCE said:

The opposition leader said there was a bipartisan position in calling on the Greens to not condone the acts of protests.

So the Australian Overton porthole has shifted hard left.

Sorry we

Mr Dreyfus’s comments were made outside the lower house chamber, and were not covered by parliamentary privilege. Mr Bandt said he would “prefer not to” pursue the matter legally, and hoped Mr Dreyfus would respond in a proper way. Mr Bandt says his lawyers have written to the attorney-general to say he considers the comments he made on the program defamatory.

meant pothole.

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

Stealing with violence is often a downgraded robbery charge

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

I do agree with his sentiment though, I don’t think we should be barring convicted criminals from holding public office.

diddly-squat said:

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

I do agree with his sentiment though, I don’t think we should be barring convicted criminals from holding public office.

No depends on what I suppose, people make mistakes

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

I do agree with his sentiment though, I don’t think we should be barring convicted criminals from holding public office.

No depends on what I suppose, people make mistakes

before or after the conviction is spent

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

I do agree with his sentiment though, I don’t think we should be barring convicted criminals from holding public office.

No depends on what I suppose, people make mistakes

and we have a rehabilitative justice system…

I mean people are free to vote on whatever basis they want, if they think a person with a criminal record is best placed to represented them then so be it… the same argument holds for people that don’t want to give a person their vote because they are a convicted criminal.

That all said, I think being a convicted criminal certainty lowers an individual’s electability.

Saved by

NSW is the last state to issue an apology, with Victoria and South Australian apologising in 2016 ahead of apologies by Queensland, Western Australia, and Tasmania in 2017.

Gladys And Dominic ¡

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

Bob Katter tried to throw eggs at the Beatles.

When the Beatles visited Brisbane in June 1964, one of the friends of student Bob Katter suggested that they pelt the band with eggs. Bob and some others went along with this.

So, they rounded up a good supply of eggs, which one of the group concealed inside his leather jacket, and off to the airport they went.

Unfortunately (especially for one bloke), when the Beatles appeared, there was a bit of a surge forward among the crowd, and the egg-carrier suffered the full consequences of the compression.

diddly-squat said:

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

I do agree with his sentiment though, I don’t think we should be barring convicted criminals from holding public office.

I do, depending on how bad the crime is.

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

Bob Katter tried to throw eggs at the Beatles.

When the Beatles visited Brisbane in June 1964, one of the friends of student Bob Katter suggested that they pelt the band with eggs. Bob and some others went along with this.

So, they rounded up a good supply of eggs, which one of the group concealed inside his leather jacket, and off to the airport they went.

Unfortunately (especially for one bloke), when the Beatles appeared, there was a bit of a surge forward among the crowd, and the egg-carrier suffered the full consequences of the compression.

LOL

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

Bob Katter tried to throw eggs at the Beatles.

When the Beatles visited Brisbane in June 1964, one of the friends of student Bob Katter suggested that they pelt the band with eggs. Bob and some others went along with this.

So, they rounded up a good supply of eggs, which one of the group concealed inside his leather jacket, and off to the airport they went.

Unfortunately (especially for one bloke), when the Beatles appeared, there was a bit of a surge forward among the crowd, and the egg-carrier suffered the full consequences of the compression.

LOL

It seems the BobKat did in actual fact throw rotten eggs at the Beatles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter#:~:text=As%20a%20university%20student%2C%20Katter,in%20the%20Citizens%20Military%20Forces.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Bob Katter tried to throw eggs at the Beatles.

When the Beatles visited Brisbane in June 1964, one of the friends of student Bob Katter suggested that they pelt the band with eggs. Bob and some others went along with this.

So, they rounded up a good supply of eggs, which one of the group concealed inside his leather jacket, and off to the airport they went.

Unfortunately (especially for one bloke), when the Beatles appeared, there was a bit of a surge forward among the crowd, and the egg-carrier suffered the full consequences of the compression.

LOL

It seems the BobKat did in actual fact throw rotten eggs at the Beatles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter#:~:text=As%20a%20university%20student%2C%20Katter,in%20the%20Citizens%20Military%20Forces.

“As a university student, Katter pelted the Beatles with rotten eggs during their 1964 tour of Australia, declaring in a later meeting with the band that he undertook this as “an intellectual reaction against Beatlemania”.”

It may, or may not, have actually happened.

Either way, it’s possibly the only time where you’ll see both ‘Bob Katter’ and ‘intellectual’ used in the same passage.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

LOL

It seems the BobKat did in actual fact throw rotten eggs at the Beatles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter#:~:text=As%20a%20university%20student%2C%20Katter,in%20the%20Citizens%20Military%20Forces.

“As a university student, Katter pelted the Beatles with rotten eggs during their 1964 tour of Australia, declaring in a later meeting with the band that he undertook this as “an intellectual reaction against Beatlemania”.”

It may, or may not, have actually happened.

Either way, it’s possibly the only time where you’ll see both ‘Bob Katter’ and ‘intellectual’ used in the same passage.

All their other dopey fans were throwing jelly babies – if only they’d known…

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

LOL

It seems the BobKat did in actual fact throw rotten eggs at the Beatles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter#:~:text=As%20a%20university%20student%2C%20Katter,in%20the%20Citizens%20Military%20Forces.

“As a university student, Katter pelted the Beatles with rotten eggs during their 1964 tour of Australia, declaring in a later meeting with the band that he undertook this as “an intellectual reaction against Beatlemania”.”

It may, or may not, have actually happened.

Either way, it’s possibly the only time where you’ll see both ‘Bob Katter’ and ‘intellectual’ used in the same passage.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-07-01/i-am-the-egg-man-katter/2002186

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

LOL

It seems the BobKat did in actual fact throw rotten eggs at the Beatles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter#:~:text=As%20a%20university%20student%2C%20Katter,in%20the%20Citizens%20Military%20Forces.

“As a university student, Katter pelted the Beatles with rotten eggs during their 1964 tour of Australia, declaring in a later meeting with the band that he undertook this as “an intellectual reaction against Beatlemania”.”

It may, or may not, have actually happened.

Either way, it’s possibly the only time where you’ll see both ‘Bob Katter’ and ‘intellectual’ used in the same passage.

Ha!

fsm said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

It seems the BobKat did in actual fact throw rotten eggs at the Beatles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter#:~:text=As%20a%20university%20student%2C%20Katter,in%20the%20Citizens%20Military%20Forces.

“As a university student, Katter pelted the Beatles with rotten eggs during their 1964 tour of Australia, declaring in a later meeting with the band that he undertook this as “an intellectual reaction against Beatlemania”.”

It may, or may not, have actually happened.

Either way, it’s possibly the only time where you’ll see both ‘Bob Katter’ and ‘intellectual’ used in the same passage.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-07-01/i-am-the-egg-man-katter/2002186

Well there you go.

Tau.Neutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

OCDC said:

Michael Pugh, the Katter’s Australia Party candidate for the Townsville seat of Mundingburra, has revealed details of his criminal past.
Mr Pugh said he was fined and handed a suspended prison sentence for the offences including break and enter as well as stealing with violence.
What’s next? He says he has the full support of the KAP and will continue to be their candidate ahead of the October state election.

I do agree with his sentiment though, I don’t think we should be barring convicted criminals from holding public office.

I do, depending on how bad the crime is.

what if someone were convicted of a serious crime when they were very young, but years after serving their sentence they wanted to get involved in politics?

diddly-squat said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

diddly-squat said:

I do agree with his sentiment though, I don’t think we should be barring convicted criminals from holding public office.

I do, depending on how bad the crime is.

what if someone were convicted of a serious crime when they were very young, but years after serving their sentence they wanted to get involved in politics?

Serious violence or sexual offending probably not but most crimes are kind of run of the mill to the court.
Anything not indictable I don’t see why not.

Should criminal history be public knowledge if you are a politician.
It’s a lever that can’t be used against you if its already common knowledge.

fsm said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

It seems the BobKat did in actual fact throw rotten eggs at the Beatles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Katter#:~:text=As%20a%20university%20student%2C%20Katter,in%20the%20Citizens%20Military%20Forces.

“As a university student, Katter pelted the Beatles with rotten eggs during their 1964 tour of Australia, declaring in a later meeting with the band that he undertook this as “an intellectual reaction against Beatlemania”.”

It may, or may not, have actually happened.

Either way, it’s possibly the only time where you’ll see both ‘Bob Katter’ and ‘intellectual’ used in the same passage.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-07-01/i-am-the-egg-man-katter/2002186

Funny thing is, I’m there with him.

Cymek said:

Should criminal history be public knowledge if you are a politician.
It’s a lever that can’t be used against you if its already common knowledge.

That’s part of the process for being ‘vetted’ for some security services e.g. M.I.6

You have to disclose everything about your life to them. I mean, absolutely everything, especially the bad or naughty stuff.

Did you cheat on a maths exam when you were 14? Disclose it.

Did you used to shoplift a few items here and there, but never got caught? Disclose it.

Did you once go to bed with your friend’s or neighbour’s partner? Disclose it.

Did you lie about your business expenses on a tax return eight years ago? Disclose it.

Do you enjoy ‘toys’ in bed with your partner? Disclose it.

Everything. Everything. Everything.

You can have no secrets, none. Nothing that could possibly give someone leverage on you.

>>Did you cheat on a maths exam when you were 14? Disclose it.

No, and anyway you can’t prove it.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Did you cheat on a maths exam when you were 14? Disclose it.

No, and anyway you can’t prove it.

The worry is that, even if i can’t, maybe someone else can. And, maybe they’ll produce the evidence, if i can persuade them to.

So, you tell your potential employers now, so that the possibility is negated.

Peak Warming Man said:

>>Did you cheat on a maths exam when you were 14? Disclose it.

No, and anyway you can’t prove it.

I’ll get AI to print out some fake real evidence.

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

Should criminal history be public knowledge if you are a politician.
It’s a lever that can’t be used against you if its already common knowledge.

That’s part of the process for being ‘vetted’ for some security services e.g. M.I.6

You have to disclose everything about your life to them. I mean, absolutely everything, especially the bad or naughty stuff.

Did you cheat on a maths exam when you were 14? Disclose it.

Did you used to shoplift a few items here and there, but never got caught? Disclose it.

Did you once go to bed with your friend’s or neighbour’s partner? Disclose it.

Did you lie about your business expenses on a tax return eight years ago? Disclose it.

Do you enjoy ‘toys’ in bed with your partner? Disclose it.

Everything. Everything. Everything.

You can have no secrets, none. Nothing that could possibly give someone leverage on you.

So in contrast it’s good for elected people like prime ministers and presidents to be flawed and covered in levers that the Russian agencies can pul… sorry we mean there was no collaboration so foreign interference of convenience is totally fine¡

Cymek said:

diddly-squat said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I do, depending on how bad the crime is.

what if someone were convicted of a serious crime when they were very young, but years after serving their sentence they wanted to get involved in politics?

Serious violence or sexual offending probably not but most crimes are kind of run of the mill to the court.
Anything not indictable I don’t see why not.

Should criminal history be public knowledge if you are a politician.
It’s a lever that can’t be used against you if its already common knowledge.

Wait so there’s that spent thing again oh shit.

SCIENCE said:

SCIENCE said:

The opposition leader said there was a bipartisan position in calling on the Greens to not condone the acts of protests.

So the Australian Overton porthole has shifted hard left.

Sorry we

Mr Dreyfus’s comments were made outside the lower house chamber, and were not covered by parliamentary privilege. Mr Bandt said he would “prefer not to” pursue the matter legally, and hoped Mr Dreyfus would respond in a proper way. Mr Bandt says his lawyers have written to the attorney-general to say he considers the comments he made on the program defamatory.

meant pothole.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-06/auspol-wrap-shorten-giles-blame-bureaucrat-israel-gaza-jane-hume/103933148

It might have felt good to land a few punches on the Greens, and at one point prevent Bandt from speaking in the chamber, but in winning that parliamentary battle some in Labor fear they could lose the war in key seats at the next election.

Hey you want to give up the middle ground then enjoy the occupation, worked for those other recent wars right oh wait shit wait.

Jared Kushner Is Building a Monument to “Victims” of U.S. Military Action Against, Uh, Slobodan Milosevic
Kushner’s company will apparently be honoring troops who carried out ethnic cleansing while it builds a luxury hotel in Belgrade.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/06/jared-kushner-hotel-belgrade-serbia-nato-milosevic-memorial.html

dv said:

Jared Kushner Is Building a Monument to “Victims” of U.S. Military Action Against, Uh, Slobodan Milosevic
Kushner’s company will apparently be honoring troops who carried out ethnic cleansing while it builds a luxury hotel in Belgrade.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/06/jared-kushner-hotel-belgrade-serbia-nato-milosevic-memorial.html

where does Australia fall into this?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/05/peter-dutton-referred-national-security-watchdog-abdul-benbrika

Peter Dutton to be referred to national security watchdog over Benbrika case, judge says
Victorian supreme court justice delivers judgment scathing of Dutton’s failure as a minister to disclose a crucial report during case

The opposition leader, Peter Dutton, may be investigated by the national security watchdog over the failure to disclose a crucial report that could have undermined efforts to impose post-sentence controls on convicted terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika.

The Victorian supreme court justice Elizabeth Hollingworth delivered a judgment on Wednesday that was scathing of Dutton’s handling of the undisclosed report while he was minister for the Australian federal police under the former government.

The Coalition government was, at the time, seeking to impose an extended supervision order on Benbrika, which would subject him to continuing controls and restrictions after the end of his sentence. In doing so, the government relied significantly on a tool designed to predict future risk of terror offending, known as the Vera-2R.

But the Department of Home Affairs deliberately withheld from Benbrika’s legal team information that cast doubt on the reliability of the Vera-2R tool, contained in a government-commissioned report prepared by Australian National University researchers and handed to the department in May 2020.

07 June 2024
Officials behind failed robodebt scheme escape investigation by corruption body

A corruption body will not investigate six public officials for their roles in the “crude and cruel” robodebt system.

A corruption body will not investigate six public officials for their roles in the “crude and cruel” robodebt system.

The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) said it had carefully considered each referral and reviewed findings made by commissioner Catherine Holmes in the robodebt royal commission but would not proceed with an investigation.

In a statement, the NACC said it could not make any recommendations that could not have already been made by Holmes, and it did not have the power to provide “any individual remedy or redress” for the recipients who suffered because of the scheme.

“The commission has, therefore, decided not to commence a corruption investigation as it would not add value in the public interest.
“However, the commission considers that the outcomes of the robodebt royal commission contain lessons of great importance for enhancing integrity in the Commonwealth sector and the accountability of public officials,” the statement said.

In the final report, Holmes said robodebt was a “crude and cruel mechanism” that was “neither fair nor legal” and became a “costly failure of public administration, in both human and economic terms”.

Holmes referred parts of the report to the heads of various Commonwealth agencies, including the NACC.

The other bodies to receive referrals were the Australian Public Service Commission, the president of the Law Society of the ACT, and the Australian Federal Police.

The in-house teams behind the “disastrous” robodebt scheme – which caused two young men to commit suicide – were found to have taken a “remarkably passive approach to the provision of legal advice” and paid “little attention” to the social security legislation.
One of the major issues was the failure of lawyers within the Department of Human Services (DHS) and Department of Social Services (DSS) to share legal advice across departments.

This meant there was no oversight from the Attorney-General’s Office or the Office of the Legal Services Coordination (OLSC).
“As agencies with the high volume of intersecting work, you would think that advice prepared by DSS and DHS on common topics would be disclosed between the two agencies, at the very least, to avoid duplication of work,” Holmes said.

In one major example, DSS received advice from Clayton Utz on the lawfulness of using an income averaging method to determine a person’s social security debt and was told the Commonwealth could have been “unlawfully taking money from social security recipients”.

DSS did not urgently communicate this with DHS.

“Had DSS disclosed Clayton Utz advice in August 2018, given the significance of the advice to the scheme, it should have caused DHS to seek advice from the solicitor-general earlier,” Holmes said.

When DHS did communicate with the solicitor-general and was told the Commonwealth did not have a proper legal basis to raise, demand or recover asserted debts based only on income average, the DHS did not disclose this to DSS for six weeks.

Other issues included a justification of the income averaging, a failure to cite legislation, and leaving advice in draft form.

DSS’ former principal legal officer Anna Fredericks said the culture was “very siloed” and the lawyers were prevented from turning their minds “to broader risks than what was explicitly asked”.

Former DHS acting chief counsel Tim French said this culture was not “conducive to a proper examination of issues”.

Holmes said this meant the income averaging had become such a “longstanding practice” that lawyers at all levels were “unable to question it in accordance with their professional obligations”.

Annette Musolino, former chief counsel of DHS, was found to have taken “no steps” to tell executives about the need to obtain external advice “because she knew that such advice was unwanted by them”.

Holmes found Musolino also “downplayed her professional obligations to be independent and the need to independently form her own view about matters where she was providing advice”.

The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) reported Musolino resigned from her position at Services Australia – which took over the DHS – when questions were put to her about how she was able to consult for a firm that provided legal advice to government.
During the 2017 Australian Institute of Administrative Law, which Musolino attended, presented and prominent barrister Peter Hanks KC “clearly identified” the consequences of whether or not it was lawful to raise debts using income averaging on the basis that doing so was not consistent with the social security law.

Holmes said Musolino did not pass on this view because she believed the secretary of DHS “did not want such advice”.

https://www.lawyersweekly.com.au/biglaw/39851-officials-behind-failed-robodebt-scheme-escape-investigation-by-corruption-body

Not exactly an unbiased page but still of interest.

‘Wreaking some destruction’: The schism in the Greens driving out Jewish members

Activists rising to power in the Greens are intent on reshaping the party into a hard left force, with overt sympathies for the pro-Palestinian protest movement.

By Chip Le Grand

JUNE 8, 2024

Over the past decade, Daniel Coleman tried to address what he and other members of the Greens had identified as a growing problem: antisemitism within the party. He helped found the Jewish Greens Working Group in Victoria and along with the late David Zyngier, a local government councillor and respected party figure, worked to develop policies and educate party members about the ancient hatred.

In the days and weeks after Hamas’ atrocities in southern Israel, the muted response from the party’s elected officials convinced him the project had failed. The Greens had not adopted a policy on antisemitism proposed by the working group and, more distressingly, he says the party appeared to give little thought to the Jews murdered, raped and taken hostage by terrorists.

“It was brought home to me after October 7 that Jewish lives were just not a concern to the Australian Greens party,” Coleman says from his Melbourne home. “It really became untenable for me to continue as a member.

“I believe that had it been any community other than a Jewish community subject to that sort of attack, the Greens would have spoken out.”

In November last year, Zyngier died of cancer. Coleman mourned his friend. Then he cancelled his membership with the Greens, ending a 40-year association which began before he immigrated to this country from the United States.

When Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton rose this week in federal parliament, one after the other, to condemn the Greens for seeking to exploit for political ends social divisions created by the war in Gaza, there were party politics in play. But what Albanese and Dutton said went beyond electoral calculus. The raw anger in the PM’s voice sliced through the usual cant and theatrics of question time.

Greens leader Adam Bandt described the politicians’ attacks as outrageous, saying his party had drawn a clear line between peaceful protests and any actions which escalate into violence or destruction of property. He reiterated what has become his party’s three-point mantra. “The Greens condemn antisemitism. The Greens condemn Islamophobia. And the Greens condemn the invasion of Gaza.”

Coleman believes it is an empty slogan.

The Greens’ abhorrence of the catastrophic loss of life in Gaza, eight months into a conflict that continues to frustrate the diplomatic efforts of neighbouring Arab states and the Biden administration to broker a ceasefire, is genuine and heartfelt. So far, more than 36,000 Palestinians are estimated to have been killed in Gaza and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is accused of using starvation as a war tactic.

Less than a month after October 7, Coleman was dismayed when Bandt posted promotional material for a “stand with Gaza” rally in Melbourne. In the accompanying image, Israel is wiped from the map and replaced by a “Free Palestine” taking in all of Gaza, Israel and the West Bank.

A graphic rendering of what a free Palestine would look like, posted by Greens leader Adam Bandt.
A graphic rendering of what a free Palestine would look like, posted by Greens leader Adam Bandt.

Coleman says this is contrary to Greens’ policy, which supports a two-state solution.

“They have done nothing to combat antisemitism or to acknowledge it within the party or to call out and oppose the terrorism of Hamas,” Coleman says.

“It is really all about winning elections. They are looking for votes and they want to shore up the far left as their base. If you like Hamas, your party of choice is going to be the Greens.”

Greens members are precluded from publicly discussing internal party matters. Bandt and former Victorian Greens leader Samantha Ratnam did not respond to interview requests.

How did the Greens arrive at such a juncture? To understand the transformation going on inside the party, the best place to look is the Australian Greens Victoria.

The Victorian Greens is administratively controlled by a 15-person state council. A month ago, elections were held to decide half the positions. Shortly before nominations were opened, the constitution was changed to remove a requirement to be a party member for at least two years before serving on state council, and a further requirement to be a member for a year to vote in state council elections.

The change removed a perceived anomaly within the constitution. The result was the elevation of a group of predominantly young, inexperienced political activists into positions of responsibility within the party. One has just started work as a school teacher. In a campaign statement, she said she wanted to convince the public that it’s possible to live in a socialist utopia. Another is a young ACTU campaigner who said the party needed to do more to provide a home for politically active socialists.

Another is a university student who described themselves in their campaign statement as a secular Jewish person and is now in charge of the Jewish Greens in the state party. Last month, the student formally endorsed the regular pro-Palestine protests outside the State Library of Victoria.

There is also a new state councillor, AJ Judd, who tweets under the handle ‘Non-binary “terrorist”’. Two years ago, Judd advocated “wreaking some destruction” within the party to reconstruct it in a new, hard left image.

Judd’s first attempt was directed against one of the Greens’ own candidates. In a letter to all state councillors on 20 May, Judd accused the party’s candidate for the federal seat of Higgins, Angelica Di Camillo, of indirectly profiting from “Israel’s genocide of Palestinians” because her partner, an aerospace engineer, works for BAE Systems, a multinational defence company that has contracts with the Australian, US and Israeli armed forces.

Di Camillo’s candidacy is unclear, as the AEC has announced its intention to abolish the seat of Higgins. She said that when the election is held, all Greens would be united in favour of peaceful protests for Palestine. “The next federal election represents a historic opportunity to elect more Greens who will advocate to end the invasion of Palestine, and for real action on the cost of living, housing and climate crises,” she said.

Judd did not respond to questions.

At the time of the state council elections, there were 125 active misconduct complaints by Greens party members against each other. “This is not healthy, and as a result many members have quit,” another newly elected state councillor warned.

The elected state councillors will take their seats on July 1. When they do, the party will see an exodus from the council of long-serving Greens members, each with decades of organisational and life experience. “The new guard doesn’t have any experience or wisdom, they don’t understand the importance of playing the longer game,” a Greens member lamented. Another Greens member said the changing face of the party’s organisation was crushing internal debate. “In the Greens, as in society more broadly, there is a strong element of young radicals who are quite absolutist in their view of the world,” they said. “There has always been radical young people but that tendency has seized dominance in the Greens.”

The influence of this shift in the Greens is evidenced by the party’s embrace of a pro-Palestinian protest movement that, in the eight months since October 7, has progressively adopted slogans, chants, dress and symbols favoured by Hamas and other militant Palestinian organisations.

A graphic example was left outside the electoral office of Labor MP and former ACTU president Ged Kearney last Friday by keffiyeh-wrapped members of Darebin4Palestine, a protest group centred in Melbourne’s deep-Green local government area.

Amid Palestinian flags, an invitation for Kearney to “resign, genocide” and “F—- the ALP” graffiti on the walls of her office, a placard made a play on the well-known Palestinian liberation chant: “From the River to the Sea, Death to the ALP.” The placard also carried an upside down red triangle; iconography used by the Al-Qassam Brigades, the militant wing of Hamas which carried out the 7 October attacks.

The vandalism outside Kearney’s office was part of a “Day of Action Against the ALP” co-ordinated between pro-Palestinian groups and promoted by one of the Greens Victorian State MPs, Gabrielle de Vietri, to her Instagram followers. On the same day, Labor MP for Wills Peter Khalil needed a police escort for staff to safely exit through protesters who had blockaded the front and rear entry to his electoral office in Coburg.

Khalil’s seat of Wills is on the front line of Labor’s electoral battle with the Greens, who have pre-selected popular former state leader Ratnam to try to win a federal seat which, under the Australian Electoral Commission’s proposed redistribution, would become marginal. However, there is a perverse irony in Khalil, the son of Egyptian migrants whose father and grandfather fought in wars against Israel, being targeted over the plight of Palestinians. Two of his staff members who needed security protection to leave work are Muslim women.

Khalil says every citizen has the right to protest government policy but the Greens, in their determination to harvest votes from a tragic conflict and loss of innocent life in Gaza, were putting something else at risk.

“They are standing there, speaking at these protests, encouraging and enabling radicalised positions and violent imagery and rhetoric,” he tells this masthead. “On top of that, they are riding a tidal wave of misinformation and disinformation. They are lighting a match, throwing it into the bushes, watching it burn and then stepping back and claiming no responsibility for damage caused by the fire.

“I am really concerned and this goes beyond politics. As elected representatives, we have a responsibility to unite Australians and protect our democracy and ensure community safety and cohesion. You have got a political party that has representatives in parliament who are fanning the flames of hatred and division and grievance and tearing asunder the social fabric for short-term political gain. It is not the party of Bob Brown any more. That’s for sure.”

If Ratnam has concerns about what happened outside Khalil’s office, she showed none two days later when she addressed the weekly pro-Palestinian rally outside the Victorian State Library. Quoting from Martin Luther King’s famous letter from Birmingham jail, she warned against “moderates who are more devoted to order than they are to justice”.

“If you have a heart, if you have a conscience, if you have any morality, you get what’s happening. You’re turning out like here, speaking up, demonstrating, protesting and escalating and doing everything you possibly can.” In a speech last month at the University of Melbourne, she urged student protesters to “keep being radical and get more radical”.

RedBridge pollster Kos Samaras said the Greens strategy was working among young voters, with his latest survey showing that 28 per cent of voters between the age of 18 and 34 say they will vote Green at the next federal election. The flipside, he says, is that the party is losing support among older voters.

He says that, like the Liberal Party in Victoria, the Greens are becoming an extreme version of what they used to be.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/wreaking-some-destruction-the-schism-in-the-greens-driving-out-jewish-members-20240607-p5jk02.html

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Michael V said:

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

‘mug lair’, that is.

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

‘mug lair’, that is.

I thought he was a plain clothes detective or suchlike.

Michael V said:

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Missing the target is not an excuse for giving up. We should still strive to get as close to the target as possible even if we fall short. The 2030 target is not the end goal anyway, it is just a milestone along a longer pathway.

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

‘mug lair’, that is.

not familiar with that expression eother.

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

‘mug lair’, that is.

not familiar with that expression eother.

mug lair

nounDEROGATORY•INFORMAL

a person who is stupid and vulgar.

“older Australians consider him a two-bob mug lair, all bleach and trousers”

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

captain_spalding said:

‘mug lair’, that is.

not familiar with that expression eother.

mug lair

nounDEROGATORY•INFORMAL

a person who is stupid and vulgar.

“older Australians consider him a two-bob mug lair, all bleach and trousers”

NHOI.

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

‘mug lair’, that is.

I thought he was a plain clothes detective or suchlike.

Yeah, well, he wears tailored suits these days, and he’s still an arsehole.

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

‘mug lair’, that is.

I thought he was a plain clothes detective or suchlike.

Yeah, well, he wears tailored suits these days, and he’s still an arsehole.

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

I thought he was a plain clothes detective or suchlike.

Yeah, well, he wears tailored suits these days, and he’s still an arsehole.

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

He’s apparently still got a business with his father, that has been going for quite a long time.

Wikipedia, under business activities section

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, well, he wears tailored suits these days, and he’s still an arsehole.

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

He’s apparently still got a business with his father, that has been going for quite a long time.

Wikipedia, under business activities section

Certainly but if he were anywhere that wealthy he would be richer than Malcolm Turnbull. It would be common knowledge and not some strange claim on the darkest reaches of the internet.

buffy said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, well, he wears tailored suits these days, and he’s still an arsehole.

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

He’s apparently still got a business with his father, that has been going for quite a long time.

Wikipedia, under business activities section

And if you want to, you can read his Register of Interests from the parliament. It doesn’t give numbers.

Link

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Bubblecar said:

I thought he was a plain clothes detective or suchlike.

Yeah, well, he wears tailored suits these days, and he’s still an arsehole.

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

The Internet say something between 27 and 300 million, with one suggestion of up to 500 million.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

captain_spalding said:

Yeah, well, he wears tailored suits these days, and he’s still an arsehole.

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

The Internet say something between 27 and 300 million, with one suggestion of up to 500 million.

The internet says a lot of things that aren’t remotely true.

Anyway whether he’s a billionaire or a shillingaire, he’s still a mug lair.

Bubblecar said:

captain_spalding said:

captain_spalding said:

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

‘mug lair’, that is.

I thought he was a plain clothes detective or suchlike.

all detectives are plain clothed…

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

The Internet say something between 27 and 300 million, with one suggestion of up to 500 million.

The internet says a lot of things that aren’t remotely true.

we need a website checker to weed out these sites!

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You’re not the first here to think Dutton is worth $300 million but it’s not true in the slightest.

The Internet say something between 27 and 300 million, with one suggestion of up to 500 million.

The internet says a lot of things that aren’t remotely true.

I wasn’t suggesting that it was true. I was reporting the results from a quick binge.

What is the evidence that his assets are worth something other than $300 million?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Internet say something between 27 and 300 million, with one suggestion of up to 500 million.

The internet says a lot of things that aren’t remotely true.

I wasn’t suggesting that it was true. I was reporting the results from a quick binge.

What is the evidence that his assets are worth something other than $300 million?

And in another go the first hit is just a picture with a big $300 million next to it, then if you click on the link for details it lists known assets which have an estimated value of “over $5 million”.

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The internet says a lot of things that aren’t remotely true.

I wasn’t suggesting that it was true. I was reporting the results from a quick binge.

What is the evidence that his assets are worth something other than $300 million?

And in another go the first hit is just a picture with a big $300 million next to it, then if you click on the link for details it lists known assets which have an estimated value of “over $5 million”.

So we can’t rule out 300m

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wasn’t suggesting that it was true. I was reporting the results from a quick binge.

What is the evidence that his assets are worth something other than $300 million?

And in another go the first hit is just a picture with a big $300 million next to it, then if you click on the link for details it lists known assets which have an estimated value of “over $5 million”.

So we can’t rule out 300m

Correct :)

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And in another go the first hit is just a picture with a big $300 million next to it, then if you click on the link for details it lists known assets which have an estimated value of “over $5 million”.

So we can’t rule out 300m

Correct :)

Can we rule out say 500m.

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

So we can’t rule out 300m

Correct :)

Can we rule out say 500m.

Or 3000m.

OCDC said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Correct :)

Can we rule out say 500m.

Or 3000m.

The utter bastard.

Peak Warming Man said:

OCDC said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Can we rule out say 500m.

Or 3000m.

The utter bastard.

Turns out he’s Mrs Rishi’s cousin.

OCDC said:

Peak Warming Man said:

OCDC said:

Or 3000m.

The utter bastard.

Turns out he’s Mrs Rishi’s cousin.

He’s rich enough to hire the Sunaks as servants.

When his computer plays up he gets Bill Gates to personally turn it off and on again for him.

Bubblecar said:

When his computer plays up he gets Bill Gates to personally turn it off and on again for him.

Steady lad.

OCDC said:

Peak Warming Man said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Correct :)

Can we rule out say 500m.

Or 3000m.

Anyway

Cleaver on being correct

If you are not happy with the lack of investigation by the NACC into the Robodebt scheme, it’s possible to make a complaint on this page –

https://www.naccinspector.gov.au/make-complaint

Even if a large number of people voice their anger about this, I doubt anything will happen. But I’d like to try.

Spiny Norman said:

If you are not happy with the lack of investigation by the NACC into the Robodebt scheme, it’s possible to make a complaint on this page –

https://www.naccinspector.gov.au/make-complaint

Even if a large number of people voice their anger about this, I doubt anything will happen. But I’d like to try.

I have read that the NACC isn’t doing any more investigations is that it has all been covered already and the possibility of anything new turning up is negligible.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-06/nacc-hands-down-robodebt-update/103945510

Link

sarahs mum said:

Oh, goody! Another reason to hate her.
WTF is wrong with being woke? I was raised to be woke, so people like her are disparaging my life.

sarahs mum said:

I’m anti-woke, anti-genderwoo and anti-Rinehart, so I win :)

Editorial
Robodebt and moral deficit
The right thing, now, would be to open the sealed section of the robodebt royal commission. The institutions in which the commissioner put her faith have all failed. The only reasonable path to justice is for the public to know who the commission named for referral and who after this week’s announcement will not be investigated.

Catherine Holmes’s belief in the National Anti-Corruption Commission was so great she delayed her own findings so she could refer individuals to the body. She wrote to the attorney-general for dispensation to do so, which was granted.

In the end, she named six people who she believed should be investigated. We do not know their identities. We do not know if they were politicians or public servants. We know only that their conduct so troubled the commissioner she believed it may reach the threshold for corruption.

It took the NACC 11 months to decide it would not investigate any of the referrals. By chance, that is the exact length of time it took Holmes to conduct her entire royal commission and produce its 1000-page report.

It is possible to imagine Holmes’s cold disappointment as she read the commission’s decision this week. The words are as dull and hollow as an untuned drum.

“The Commission has carefully considered each referral and reviewed the extensive material provided by the Robodebt Royal Commission, including its final report, and the Confidential Chapter … However, the conduct of the six public officials in connection with the Robodebt Scheme has already been fully explored by the Robodebt Royal Commission and extensively discussed in its final report. After close consideration of the evidence that was available to the Royal Commission, the Commission has concluded that it is unlikely it would obtain significant new evidence.”

Robodebt was always about punishment. It was a scheme devised to chastise the poor. We know from Holmes’s fine work that the department was aware it was illegal. Great efforts were made to conceal this fact. Ministers were by turns vicious, incompetent and incurious.

Perhaps they knew what we now all know: no one will ever be punished for harming the most vulnerable. Fewer than 10 public servants have had findings made against them for breaching their code of conduct. None have been sacked. None have been named.

The details of welfare recipients were leaked to the press in order to keep the illegal scheme running. This was done systematically. It was done in recognition of the fact that naming a person would have a strong impact on them and on the actions of others like them.

These people should never have been named. They should never have had their private data leaked. The people who were involved in this, however, deserve to be identified. They have been shown to have breached every possible principle. They will not be named, however, because the system they were protecting is now protecting them. The poor were never so lucky. They never are. That is the point of this whole dispiriting affair.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2024/06/08/robodebt-and-moral-deficit#mtr

sarahs mum said:

Heh!

:)

sarahs mum said:

Editorial
Robodebt and moral deficit
The right thing, now, would be to open the sealed section of the robodebt royal commission. The institutions in which the commissioner put her faith have all failed. The only reasonable path to justice is for the public to know who the commission named for referral and who after this week’s announcement will not be investigated.

Catherine Holmes’s belief in the National Anti-Corruption Commission was so great she delayed her own findings so she could refer individuals to the body. She wrote to the attorney-general for dispensation to do so, which was granted.

In the end, she named six people who she believed should be investigated. We do not know their identities. We do not know if they were politicians or public servants. We know only that their conduct so troubled the commissioner she believed it may reach the threshold for corruption.

It took the NACC 11 months to decide it would not investigate any of the referrals. By chance, that is the exact length of time it took Holmes to conduct her entire royal commission and produce its 1000-page report.

It is possible to imagine Holmes’s cold disappointment as she read the commission’s decision this week. The words are as dull and hollow as an untuned drum.

“The Commission has carefully considered each referral and reviewed the extensive material provided by the Robodebt Royal Commission, including its final report, and the Confidential Chapter … However, the conduct of the six public officials in connection with the Robodebt Scheme has already been fully explored by the Robodebt Royal Commission and extensively discussed in its final report. After close consideration of the evidence that was available to the Royal Commission, the Commission has concluded that it is unlikely it would obtain significant new evidence.”

Robodebt was always about punishment. It was a scheme devised to chastise the poor. We know from Holmes’s fine work that the department was aware it was illegal. Great efforts were made to conceal this fact. Ministers were by turns vicious, incompetent and incurious.

Perhaps they knew what we now all know: no one will ever be punished for harming the most vulnerable. Fewer than 10 public servants have had findings made against them for breaching their code of conduct. None have been sacked. None have been named.

The details of welfare recipients were leaked to the press in order to keep the illegal scheme running. This was done systematically. It was done in recognition of the fact that naming a person would have a strong impact on them and on the actions of others like them.

These people should never have been named. They should never have had their private data leaked. The people who were involved in this, however, deserve to be identified. They have been shown to have breached every possible principle. They will not be named, however, because the system they were protecting is now protecting them. The poor were never so lucky. They never are. That is the point of this whole dispiriting affair.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2024/06/08/robodebt-and-moral-deficit#mtr

Yes, it is a bitter pill.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

So why isn’t that question being asked?

Spiny Norman said:

If you are not happy with the lack of investigation by the NACC into the Robodebt scheme, it’s possible to make a complaint on this page –

https://www.naccinspector.gov.au/make-complaint

Even if a large number of people voice their anger about this, I doubt anything will happen. But I’d like to try.

Thanks.

JudgeMental said:

Spiny Norman said:

If you are not happy with the lack of investigation by the NACC into the Robodebt scheme, it’s possible to make a complaint on this page –

https://www.naccinspector.gov.au/make-complaint

Even if a large number of people voice their anger about this, I doubt anything will happen. But I’d like to try.

I have read that the NACC isn’t doing any more investigations is that it has all been covered already and the possibility of anything new turning up is negligible.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-06/nacc-hands-down-robodebt-update/103945510

Link

I read that too.

sarahs mum said:

Editorial
Robodebt and moral deficit
The right thing, now, would be to open the sealed section of the robodebt royal commission. The institutions in which the commissioner put her faith have all failed. The only reasonable path to justice is for the public to know who the commission named for referral and who after this week’s announcement will not be investigated.

Catherine Holmes’s belief in the National Anti-Corruption Commission was so great she delayed her own findings so she could refer individuals to the body. She wrote to the attorney-general for dispensation to do so, which was granted.

In the end, she named six people who she believed should be investigated. We do not know their identities. We do not know if they were politicians or public servants. We know only that their conduct so troubled the commissioner she believed it may reach the threshold for corruption.

It took the NACC 11 months to decide it would not investigate any of the referrals. By chance, that is the exact length of time it took Holmes to conduct her entire royal commission and produce its 1000-page report.

It is possible to imagine Holmes’s cold disappointment as she read the commission’s decision this week. The words are as dull and hollow as an untuned drum.

“The Commission has carefully considered each referral and reviewed the extensive material provided by the Robodebt Royal Commission, including its final report, and the Confidential Chapter … However, the conduct of the six public officials in connection with the Robodebt Scheme has already been fully explored by the Robodebt Royal Commission and extensively discussed in its final report. After close consideration of the evidence that was available to the Royal Commission, the Commission has concluded that it is unlikely it would obtain significant new evidence.”

Robodebt was always about punishment. It was a scheme devised to chastise the poor. We know from Holmes’s fine work that the department was aware it was illegal. Great efforts were made to conceal this fact. Ministers were by turns vicious, incompetent and incurious.

Perhaps they knew what we now all know: no one will ever be punished for harming the most vulnerable. Fewer than 10 public servants have had findings made against them for breaching their code of conduct. None have been sacked. None have been named.

The details of welfare recipients were leaked to the press in order to keep the illegal scheme running. This was done systematically. It was done in recognition of the fact that naming a person would have a strong impact on them and on the actions of others like them.

These people should never have been named. They should never have had their private data leaked. The people who were involved in this, however, deserve to be identified. They have been shown to have breached every possible principle. They will not be named, however, because the system they were protecting is now protecting them. The poor were never so lucky. They never are. That is the point of this whole dispiriting affair.

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2024/06/08/robodebt-and-moral-deficit#mtr

and the rich get richer.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

The Coalition says Labor will fail to meet the Paris Agreement emissions reductions target but will damage Australian industry in trying.

Recent projections indicate Australia is not on track for the 2030 target, but could get close if existing policies are implemented as promised.

The Coalition is focusing on gas and nuclear power, which the Australian Conservation Foundation describes as a “fantasy which Australia does not need”.

Dutton, again…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-08/coalition-to-dump-paris-emissions-target-focus-nuclear/103955342

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

So why isn’t that question being asked?

Some of those Qld Coppers had “multiple income streams” in the pre Fitzgerald era.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Let’s face the facts: Federal politicians are not badly paid and/or compensated in other ways.

But, you don’t go from being a mag lair Qld copper to being worth $300 million just on parliamentary remuneration.

So why isn’t that question being asked?

Some of those Qld Coppers had “multiple income streams” in the pre Fitzgerald era.

I was at school with some of those in NSW before they entered that income stream.
Notably one Wayne Eade.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

So why isn’t that question being asked?

Some of those Qld Coppers had “multiple income streams” in the pre Fitzgerald era.

I was at school with some of those in NSW before they entered that income stream.
Notably one Wayne Eade.

When he told me he had been accepted into the force, I said, “I’ve just lost my respect for the police force”.

Nine Entertainment board chairman Peter Costello has resigned, following reports he assaulted a journalist from The Australian at Canberra Airport.

Nine confirmed the resignation in a statement, saying Mr Costello, a former federal treasurer, will “step down from the board effective immediately”.

Footage posted on The Australian’s website on Thursday appeared to show reporter Liam Mendes approaching Mr Costello before asking him questions about a harassment scandal at Nine.

The footage appeared to show Mr Costello walking towards Mr Mendes, before Mr Mendes falls backwards.

Answering reporter questions at Parliament House on Thursday evening, Mr Costello denied assaulting Mr Mendes.

Mr Costello said Mr Mendes was walking backwards while filming and tripped over an advertising placard.

In a statement, Mr Costello said he had flagged retiring from the board some time after the Olympics in July and by November at the latest. But today he informed the board he had pulled forward the timing and was standing down.

“The board has been supportive through the events of the last month and last few days in particular,” he said.

“But going forward I think they need a new chair to unite them around a fresh vision and someone with the energy to lead to that vision for the next decade.”

Mr Mendes had been asking Mr Costello about claims of “alleged inappropriate behaviour” at the network.

In a statement, Mr Costello said he supported Nine CEO Mike Sneesby and that “the company has set up a robust process to investigate historical complaints”.

“I believe it will get to the bottom of any unknown issues.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-09/nine-board-chairman-peter-costello-resigns/103957314

“Primary support for the Coalition has lifted to its highest point in nearly three years.
The latest Newspoll, conducted by The Australian shows the Coalition continue its upward trajectory against Labor.
Both parties are locked in a stalemate on a two-party preferred basis – now tied at 50 each.
Peter Dutton has also narrowed Anthony Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister to reach his highest rating on this measure since he became Opposition Leader.”

Praise the Lord.

It’s better in the correct thread.

Peak Warming Man said:

“Primary support for the Coalition has lifted to its highest point in nearly three years.
The latest Newspoll, conducted by The Australian shows the Coalition continue its upward trajectory against Labor.
Both parties are locked in a stalemate on a two-party preferred basis – now tied at 50 each.
Peter Dutton has also narrowed Anthony Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister to reach his highest rating on this measure since he became Opposition Leader.”

Praise the Lord.

It’s better in the correct thread.

So’s this then:
Good gourd, have they seen his deplorable record as a minister for anything?

Peak Warming Man said:

“Primary support for the Coalition has lifted to its highest point in nearly three years.
The latest Newspoll, conducted by The Australian shows the Coalition continue its upward trajectory against Labor.
Both parties are locked in a stalemate on a two-party preferred basis – now tied at 50 each.
Peter Dutton has also narrowed Anthony Albanese’s lead as preferred prime minister to reach his highest rating on this measure since he became Opposition Leader.”

Praise the Lord.

It’s better in the correct thread.

You openly support that filthy Dutton? The LNP are a toxic dump.

Wouldn’t surprise me if ALP is pushed to minority govt in 2025 but the Coalition has no clear path to victory without recapturing Teal seats and I don’t think PD is the man for that job.

dv said:

Wouldn’t surprise me if ALP is pushed to minority govt in 2025 but the Coalition has no clear path to victory without recapturing Teal seats and I don’t think PD is the man for that job.

Peter Dutton says the Coalition will wait until it has returned to power and looked at “the prevailing economic conditions” before it sets a 2030 climate target.

He’s wimping out now.

I reckon Qld Labor might be out of luck. 14% behind in the polls and continuing to trend downward, 4 months to go.

Not clear to me what issue has driven this trend. Any locals able to fill me in?

dv said:

I reckon Qld Labor might be out of luck. 14% behind in the polls and continuing to trend downward, 4 months to go.

Not clear to me what issue has driven this trend. Any locals able to fill me in?

a lot of incumbency bias I reckon.. there is also a bit of a view that the Labs run a big govt. The thing is, no one knows WTF the LibNats are, or aren’t, because they haven’t governed for a decade.

probably time for a bit of a shake up to be honest.

dv said:

I reckon Qld Labor might be out of luck. 14% behind in the polls and continuing to trend downward, 4 months to go.

Not clear to me what issue has driven this trend. Any locals able to fill me in?

I think there’s a sort of generalised notion that they’ve had their time.

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

I reckon Qld Labor might be out of luck. 14% behind in the polls and continuing to trend downward, 4 months to go.

Not clear to me what issue has driven this trend. Any locals able to fill me in?

a lot of incumbency bias I reckon.. there is also a bit of a view that the Labs run a big govt. The thing is, no one knows WTF the LibNats are, or aren’t, because they haven’t governed for a decade.

probably time for a bit of a shake up to be honest.

I wonder if the LibNats will indulge in the traditional punishment of the electorate for having so long denied the right of the L/NP to govern?

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

I reckon Qld Labor might be out of luck. 14% behind in the polls and continuing to trend downward, 4 months to go.

Not clear to me what issue has driven this trend. Any locals able to fill me in?

a lot of incumbency bias I reckon.. there is also a bit of a view that the Labs run a big govt. The thing is, no one knows WTF the LibNats are, or aren’t, because they haven’t governed for a decade.

probably time for a bit of a shake up to be honest.

Yeah it’s hard to stay past a decade I suppose. It will be like CN. “Why don’t we get the LNP back in? … Oh now I remember.”

dv said:

diddly-squat said:

dv said:

I reckon Qld Labor might be out of luck. 14% behind in the polls and continuing to trend downward, 4 months to go.

Not clear to me what issue has driven this trend. Any locals able to fill me in?

a lot of incumbency bias I reckon.. there is also a bit of a view that the Labs run a big govt. The thing is, no one knows WTF the LibNats are, or aren’t, because they haven’t governed for a decade.

probably time for a bit of a shake up to be honest.

Yeah it’s hard to stay past a decade I suppose. It will be like CN. “Why don’t we get the LNP back in? … Oh now I remember.”

Yeah, and I note that both Crisafulli and Bleijie were ministers under Newman.

LibNat programme, immediate after election victory:

1. Declare that Labor have left the State’s finances in a mess with their free-spending lefty socialist ways.

2. Announce that services and spending will be cut because of the financial problems they’ve ‘inherited’, and all taxes and charges will be increased to ‘fix the holes in the budget’.

3. Give lots of big tax breaks and grants to mining companies.

Probably important to remember that as unpopular as they may be, at the moment the Labs hold a 12 seat majority in Qld; seven of which are cross bench members and two of those are Greens and one is independent (the remainder being three BobKats and one ON)

So there’s still a good chance, even with a swing against, that Labs could retain Govt.

diddly-squat said:

Probably important to remember that as unpopular as they may be, at the moment the Labs hold a 12 seat majority in Qld; seven of which are cross bench members and two of those are Greens and one is independent (the remainder being three BobKats and one ON)

So there’s still a good chance, even with a swing against, that Labs could retain Govt.

Three Bob Kats!

The mind boggles.

Lib frontbencher Hollie Hughes accuses Angus Taylor of treachery, incompetence

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberal-frontbencher-accuses-angus-taylor-of-treachery-incompetence-20240611-p5jksj.html

Liberal MP Bridget Archer has defied her party leader Peter Dutton, saying any weakening of the current 2030 climate target would be “regressive” and the details of any alternative target should be revealed before an election.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-12/bridget-archer-says-abandoning-climate-target-regressive/103965726

dv said:

Lib frontbencher Hollie Hughes accuses Angus Taylor of treachery, incompetence

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberal-frontbencher-accuses-angus-taylor-of-treachery-incompetence-20240611-p5jksj.html

Fight, Fight, Fight!

dv said:

Liberal MP Bridget Archer has defied her party leader Peter Dutton, saying any weakening of the current 2030 climate target would be “regressive” and the details of any alternative target should be revealed before an election.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-12/bridget-archer-says-abandoning-climate-target-regressive/103965726

Fight, Fight, Fight!

dv said:

Lib frontbencher Hollie Hughes accuses Angus Taylor of treachery, incompetence

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberal-frontbencher-accuses-angus-taylor-of-treachery-incompetence-20240611-p5jksj.html

Well, duhh, Hollie. It’s Angus Taylor.

dv said:

Liberal MP Bridget Archer has defied her party leader Peter Dutton, saying any weakening of the current 2030 climate target would be “regressive” and the details of any alternative target should be revealed before an election.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-12/bridget-archer-says-abandoning-climate-target-regressive/103965726

Haven’t read the article but still I can confidently say:

seems fair.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

Lib frontbencher Hollie Hughes accuses Angus Taylor of treachery, incompetence

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/liberal-frontbencher-accuses-angus-taylor-of-treachery-incompetence-20240611-p5jksj.html

Well, duhh, Hollie. It’s Angus Taylor.

Actually what I meant to say was:

Haven’t read the article but still I can confidently say:

seems fair.

“The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) will be asked to explain why it refused to launch a fresh probe into the Robodebt scandal, after the watchdog received nearly 900 complaints about the decision.

The Inspector of the National Anti-Corruption Commission, tasked with overseeing the agency’s operations and conduct, has announced it will start its own inquiry into the matter.

Last week the NACC revealed it did not see the point of fresh scrutiny of the Robodebt scandal, because the unlawful scheme had already been investigated by a royal commission.

The NACC said five of the six public officials referred to it by royal commissioner Catherine Holmes SC were also subject to an inquiry by the Australian Public Service Commission.

Inspector Gail Furness SC said her office had received nearly 900 complaints after the NACC made its ruling.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-13/inquiry-into-nacc-decision-not-to-probe-robodebt/103974678

Michael V said:

“The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) will be asked to explain why it refused to launch a fresh probe into the Robodebt scandal, after the watchdog received nearly 900 complaints about the decision.

The Inspector of the National Anti-Corruption Commission, tasked with overseeing the agency’s operations and conduct, has announced it will start its own inquiry into the matter.

Last week the NACC revealed it did not see the point of fresh scrutiny of the Robodebt scandal, because the unlawful scheme had already been investigated by a royal commission.

The NACC said five of the six public officials referred to it by royal commissioner Catherine Holmes SC were also subject to an inquiry by the Australian Public Service Commission.

Inspector Gail Furness SC said her office had received nearly 900 complaints after the NACC made its ruling.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-13/inquiry-into-nacc-decision-not-to-probe-robodebt/103974678

“Last week the NACC revealed it did not see the point of fresh scrutiny of the Robodebt scandal, because the unlawful scheme had already been investigated by a royal commission.”

That is the reason.

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

“The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) will be asked to explain why it refused to launch a fresh probe into the Robodebt scandal, after the watchdog received nearly 900 complaints about the decision.

The Inspector of the National Anti-Corruption Commission, tasked with overseeing the agency’s operations and conduct, has announced it will start its own inquiry into the matter.

Last week the NACC revealed it did not see the point of fresh scrutiny of the Robodebt scandal, because the unlawful scheme had already been investigated by a royal commission.

The NACC said five of the six public officials referred to it by royal commissioner Catherine Holmes SC were also subject to an inquiry by the Australian Public Service Commission.

Inspector Gail Furness SC said her office had received nearly 900 complaints after the NACC made its ruling.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-13/inquiry-into-nacc-decision-not-to-probe-robodebt/103974678

“Last week the NACC revealed it did not see the point of fresh scrutiny of the Robodebt scandal, because the unlawful scheme had already been investigated by a royal commission.”

That is the reason.

thing is people want to see some prosecution and because, as of yet, there hasn’t been any they think that the NACC isn’t doing it’s job.

JudgeMental said:

JudgeMental said:

Michael V said:

“The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) will be asked to explain why it refused to launch a fresh probe into the Robodebt scandal, after the watchdog received nearly 900 complaints about the decision.

The Inspector of the National Anti-Corruption Commission, tasked with overseeing the agency’s operations and conduct, has announced it will start its own inquiry into the matter.

Last week the NACC revealed it did not see the point of fresh scrutiny of the Robodebt scandal, because the unlawful scheme had already been investigated by a royal commission.

The NACC said five of the six public officials referred to it by royal commissioner Catherine Holmes SC were also subject to an inquiry by the Australian Public Service Commission.

Inspector Gail Furness SC said her office had received nearly 900 complaints after the NACC made its ruling.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-13/inquiry-into-nacc-decision-not-to-probe-robodebt/103974678

“Last week the NACC revealed it did not see the point of fresh scrutiny of the Robodebt scandal, because the unlawful scheme had already been investigated by a royal commission.”

That is the reason.

thing is people want to see some prosecution and because, as of yet, there hasn’t been any they think that the NACC isn’t doing it’s job.

Dead or alive you’re coming with me

Pauline Hanson

kii said:

Pauline Hanson

Made me laugh, too.

https://7news.com.au/news/crikey-robert-irwin-threatens-to-sue-pauline-hanson-over-bluey-rip-off-cartoon-c-15029184

Robert Irwin threatens to sue Pauline Hanson over Bluey rip-off cartoon

dv said:

https://7news.com.au/news/crikey-robert-irwin-threatens-to-sue-pauline-hanson-over-bluey-rip-off-cartoon-c-15029184

Robert Irwin threatens to sue Pauline Hanson over Bluey rip-off cartoon

I think they will be taking the video down somehow.

JudgeMental said:

dv said:

https://7news.com.au/news/crikey-robert-irwin-threatens-to-sue-pauline-hanson-over-bluey-rip-off-cartoon-c-15029184

Robert Irwin threatens to sue Pauline Hanson over Bluey rip-off cartoon

I think they will be taking the video down somehow.

Wondered how old he is now.

20.

Bloody hell.

dv said:

https://7news.com.au/news/crikey-robert-irwin-threatens-to-sue-pauline-hanson-over-bluey-rip-off-cartoon-c-15029184

Robert Irwin threatens to sue Pauline Hanson over Bluey rip-off cartoon

i hate her.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://7news.com.au/news/crikey-robert-irwin-threatens-to-sue-pauline-hanson-over-bluey-rip-off-cartoon-c-15029184

Robert Irwin threatens to sue Pauline Hanson over Bluey rip-off cartoon

i hate her.

Did you see the video I posted on Facebook?

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://7news.com.au/news/crikey-robert-irwin-threatens-to-sue-pauline-hanson-over-bluey-rip-off-cartoon-c-15029184

Robert Irwin threatens to sue Pauline Hanson over Bluey rip-off cartoon

i hate her.

Did you see the video I posted on Facebook?

yeah.

I’ll be glad when she’s gone.

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

https://7news.com.au/news/crikey-robert-irwin-threatens-to-sue-pauline-hanson-over-bluey-rip-off-cartoon-c-15029184

Robert Irwin threatens to sue Pauline Hanson over Bluey rip-off cartoon

i hate her.

Did you see the video I posted on Facebook?

yeah.

dv said:

kii said:

sarahs mum said:

i hate her.

Did you see the video I posted on Facebook?

yeah.

I’ll be glad when she’s gone.

we could make a fortune.

We advertise a field of the politicians who we’d like to see ‘gone’, (e.g. Trump, dutton, Hanson, Putin, Farage)along with appropriate odds on their demise within timeframes of, say 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, and take bets on them poppingtheir clogs within thosetime frames.

captain_spalding said:

dv said:

kii said:

Did you see the video I posted on Facebook?

yeah.

I’ll be glad when she’s gone.

we could make a fortune.

We advertise a field of the politicians who we’d like to see ‘gone’, (e.g. Trump, dutton, Hanson, Putin, Farage)along with appropriate odds on their demise within timeframes of, say 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, and take bets on them poppingtheir clogs within thosetime frames.

Well she’s 70, so it could well be quite a long wait.

Might be running for PM in 10 years.

Good to see Speersy still white-knighting for Dutton. The current opposition leader did enough damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGMrGlAHUq0

In short: A committal hearing will be held in Toowoomba on Monday where Bruce Lehrmann faces two counts of rape.
Mr Lehrmann, who has not yet been required to enter a plea, is expected to attend the hearing.
What’s next? After the hearing a magistrate will decide if Mr Lehrmann is to stand trial or not.

dv said:

Hitler was popular at first.

Tamb said:

dv said:

Hitler was popular at first.

And not just in Germany, and not just among the peasantry.

dv said:

i hate that.

Funny considering that Fox News is the go-to for white supremicists.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Funny considering that Fox News is the go-to for white supremicists.

Maybe they intended this as high praise

Witty Rejoinder said:

Funny considering that Fox News is the go-to for white supremicists.

Well, herr Alois Schicklgruber was a bit of a white Aryan supremicist.

17 June 2024
Bridget Archer endorsed as Bass candidate to re-contest next election
Liberal Member for Bass Bridget Archer MP endorsed by the Tasmanian Liberals to re-contest next election. Picture by Rod Thompson
Liberal Member for Bass Bridget Archer MP will re-contest the next federal election after being endorsed by the Tasmanian Liberals

Ms Archer was elected to parliament in the 2019 election after defeating the incumbent Labor candidate Ross Hart.

The MP has responded to The Examiner after an opinion article was published with the headline, ‘Bridget Archer is a standout in a Liberal Party full of unelectable boofheads’.

She said she was please to be re-endorsed as a Liberal candidate and support the democratic processes of the party.

“I think there are a whole lot of issues affecting Tasmania and notably of course, cost of living and the challenges that go along with that,” Ms Archer said.

“Access to health services, infrastructure – you name it. There are plenty of challenges ahead for Tasmania; I’m particularly concerned about housing and homelessness here so those remain strong areas I’d like to focus on.

“Importantly, at the last election the Prime Minister said no one would be left behind … when I go out and about in the electorate and talk to people each day, I haven’t found anyone who says they feel better off now than they did two years ago.”

Ms Archer said she felt the federal government had not done enough for Tasmanians.

“Here in Northern Tasmania the level of housing stress and homelessness that we see is absolutely shocking – there is not enough being done,” Ms Archer said.

“I am not partisan about these things – I supported the government’s Housing Australia Future Fund for example, but we’re still not seeing that action on the ground.”

Ms Archer has not been afraid to cross the floor in the past, standing against her party on issues like The Voice to Parliament Referendum and most recently opposing her party leader’s plan to dump the current 2030 climate target if they’re elected.

However Ms Archer said she’s been a member of the Liberal party for a long time, and resonated with its values.

“I have been very clear that I will put the interests of my community and my constituents first and I think that’s what people would expect me to do,” Ms Archer said.

“It’s also about loyalty – loyalty to the people who have now endorsed me to run for their party four times now.

“These are the grassroots members of the Liberal party – ordinary Northern Tasmanians – whose values align with mine and who see in me someone that is representing them and their views.”

Liberal Senator for Tasmania Jonno Duniam said Ms Archer would continue to be a “strong defender” of her community in Bass, and deliver what they needed.

“With Labor abandoning our state, ripping away GST, dudding us on health and wrecking our economy, I know Bridget will ensure Bass gets the best deal possible,” Mr Duniam said

examiner.

Scott Morrison denied entry to exclusive all-male club

Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been denied membership to Sydney’s exclusive all-male Australian Club.

That’s according to reports from the Sydney Morning Herald who received intel that Morrison’s application had been deferred.

Morrison was reportedly put forward to the club for membership by former Liberal Prime Minister John Howard and Bruce Baird, a previous member for the seat of Cook.

The Australian Club, situated on the ninth floor at 165 Macquarie Street, is an exclusive, all-male club that counts some of Australia’s most influential men among its members.

It made headlines in 2021 when members of the elite club voted against allowing women to join the group. Almost 700 members turned up for the vote, with the majority voting against women joining.

The club was founded in 1838, with members including a number of former prime ministers John Howard and Malcolm Turnbull, CEOs, bankers, and judges. As Elaine Stead wrote for Women’s Agenda in 2021, shortly after it rejected allowing women as members, men become members of the club because it provides and reinforces a network of influence.

As to why Morrison has not been admitted as member, details are sparse, however the Sydney Morning Herald suggested his secretive appointments to multiple ministries during his prime ministership may have something to do with it.

Morrison’s denial of entry to the club comes as local sales for his recently released memoir Plans For Your Good: A Prime Minister’s Testimony of God’s Faithfulness have been slow.

The book is less of a political memoir and more “pastoral encouragement”, reflecting on how God and his Christian faith helped guide him throughout his political career and four-year leadership of Australia.

“Most politicians write books about what they’ve done; this story is about what I believe God has done for me,” Morrison told The Australian ahead of the book’s release.

Morrison resigned from federal parliament in Feburary this year.

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/scott-morrison-denied-entry-to-exclusive-all-male-club/

If only they would add insult to injury by admitting women. But no, that won’t happen this millennium.

OCDC said:

If only they would add insult to injury by admitting women. But no, that won’t happen this millennium.

Would you really want to be a member of such a club?

buffy said:

OCDC said:

If only they would add insult to injury by admitting women. But no, that won’t happen this millennium.

Would you really want to be a member of such a club?

I would join out of spite but never make contact again.

OCDC said:

buffy said:

OCDC said:

If only they would add insult to injury by admitting women. But no, that won’t happen this millennium.

Would you really want to be a member of such a club?

I would join out of spite but never make contact again.

Don’t encourage them. Let the dinosaurs die out.

Damn those old men and their exclusive clubs and lack of gender queen toilets

State’s unifying approach only succeeding in dividing football

North Launceston’s Harry Bayles and Beau Nash pounce on Clarence’s Lachlan Borsboom at UTAS Stadium on Saturday. Pictures by Paul Scambler

Despite being promoted as a unifying development destined to see Tasmanian football reach its full potential, the state’s impending AFL team already appears to be doing exactly the opposite.

A policy orchestrated from AFL House and being carried out religiously by AFL Tasmania is clearly designed to focus resources, players and serious competition in Hobart to the detriment of what has become the state’s most successful breeding ground.

What is even more concerning is that it is happening in plain view of assorted councillors and politicians who claim to represent the interests of their electorate but continue to smile and nod in the background of assorted photo ops while the health of Tasmanian football heads south, in every meaning.

The AFL’s strategy to ignore two perfectly decent stadiums in favour of getting Tasmanians to pay for a billion-dollar vanity project has been well documented, but the plan to weaken Northern footy to such a degree that any player with a semblance of ambition will swiftly head to brighter pastures has been far more subtle.

The standard of the competition proposed to replace a strong and competitive State League is all set to redefine the cliched concept of men against boys.

Having appeared in nine out of the last 10 TSL grand finals and won half of them, North Launceston will put this season’s record of 11 straight wins and a 232.24 percentage up against Scottsdale’s NTFA Premier Division equivalent of nine straight losses and a 24.34 percentage underpinned by their under-18s’ eight straight losses and 16.92 percentage.

In fact, of the combined 52 games they have played across seniors, reserves and under-18s so far this season, future NTFA Premier Division rivals Scottsdale and Deloraine have managed just one win other than against each other, coming when the former’s reserves beat George Town by four points in round six.

It would be very easy to dismiss all this as parochialism and a lone voice of dissent in the Northern wilderness, which is traditionally the default MO of Tasmania’s football and government chiefs.

However, this is not coming from me but from various Northern footy fans concerned – with some justification – that nobody is listening to them.
Among the online comments beneath The Examiner’s story about North Launceston “reluctantly” voting to play in the new competition “if there are no other options”, was this:

“Recent results in the NTFA clearly show that the so-called premier competition next year will be a joke. There will be a dramatic decline in the standard of football in the North.

“It is very clear that the AFL Tasmania’s nominated provider of a premier standard competition in the North, the NTFA, are unable to facilitate this. It cannot provide enough clubs capable of competing at this standard.”
The voices of reason were not done there.

“What is of greater concern is that football administrators, Northern council representatives and Northern members of Government have all rolled over and allowed this to happen. Football in the North will rapidly decline and die.
.
“The responsibility for this lies with those people who happily claim to be representing the interests of this region. How about doing something about it? You are asleep at the wheel. Football in the North will be irrelevant very soon.”

One reader compared the future direction of Tasmanian footy with that of its summer sibling sport a generation ago.
“This whole thing is mirroring what happened with cricket a number of years ago when players with any aspirations to play for Tasmania had to relocate to the south of the state and look at how that has turned out. The standard of cricket in the NTCA is an absolute joke and the North-West (is) no better.”

Others suggested “this is what the powers-that-be have wanted all along

“ and urged Northern footy fans to unite at a City Park barbecue rather than attending Hobart games.

“The so-called Tasmanian Devils will just be the Hobart Deceivers and represent the narcissism of AFL Tasmania,” one said.
Another added: “They don’t want any elite football in the North of the state, they are trying to make the South the football area. This football team that is supposed to be for all Tasmanians is going to kill football in the North.”

Such is the pervading gloom about the future direction of Northern football that on Saturday morning North Launceston took a vote on whether to go into recess.

Recess! North Launceston! Seriously?

It’s one thing when a remote country club with a waning local population is forced into such a move, but when the club that has won half of the last 10 State League premierships and is sitting 11-0 this season contemplates it, the sirens should be sounding considerably louder than the much-maligned one at their home ground.

Ultimately, Bombers members voted not to go into recess and to take part in the proposed NTFA Premier League, but this was clearly because there was no other playing option available.

All of which suggests the promised state unity is about as likely to arrive in the foreseeable future as the scheduled Tasmanian VFL inclusion.

When the former AFL boss claimed in 2023 to have united Tasmania it was uncannily similar to when the former US boss said he had solved the Israeli-Palestinian conflict four years earlier.

And, so far, about as successful.

examiner.

Kathleen Folbigg and Lindy Chamberlain call for changes to NSW ‘no body, no parole’ laws
Plight of wrongfully convicted people cited in open letter urging reform to laws denying murderers chance of parole

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/17/kathleen-folbigg-and-lindy-chamberlain-call-for-changes-to-nsw-no-body-no-parole-laws

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/jun/17/a-large-dollop-of-australian-voters-say-their-preferred-prime-minister-is-peter-craig-dutton

Fuck foreign

Chinese Premier Li Qiang’s visit to Australia a ‘big gift pack’ for Anthony Albanese’s federal election campaign

CHINA interference¡

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-18/li-qiang-visit-big-gift-to-anthony-albanese-before-election/103989724

Rejecting a climate armistice that was struck after more than a decade of trench warfare, Dutton has reopened hostilities by announcing he would trash Australia’s emission reduction target, effectively pulling us out of the Paris climate accord.

Breaking the consensus that industry yearns and the public deserves, Dutton is proposing to keep burning the dirty stuff for the foreseeable future with a vague commitment to start planning a yellowcake withdrawal in a decade or so.

Like smokers outside the hospital, it won’t end well. But the refusal to confront the long-term impacts of a dangerous vice, turbocharged by the funds of another industry desperate for one more payday, could deliver Dutton the short-term hit he so craves.

These findings reinforce the fact that when future targets for emissions reduction are the centre of the contest, support is split down the middle. It’s only when the choice is positive between building renewable capacity now or deferring action on nuclear until later, that there is a big shift towards action.

What seems like a massive political misstep by the opposition has a specific target: the actual target. When the future is reduced to an abstract number it’s so much harder to bring it to life and make it consequential. So it goes…

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/18/peter-dutton-labor-government-vape-ban

Labor vows to go after government on health job cuts
David KillickPolitical Editor
Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff. Picture: Chris Kidd

Labor and the Greens will call on the state government to justify what they describe as job cuts in the health sector when parliament resumes on Tuesday.

A leaked Department of Health memo last week revealed a huge budget overrun and plans to rein in hiring.

Labor’s deputy leader Anita Dow said the Liberals’ claim that frontline health staff won’t be affected was “spin”.

“All jobs in the health service are important,” she said.

“With the health system already at breaking point, for the Liberals to suggest that cutting non-patient-facing roles won’t affect doctors, nurses and paramedics is downright dangerous.

“After ten years of the Liberals, the waitlist to see a specialist has more than doubled. More than 33,000 extra people are stuck on a waitlist compared to 2014.

“We will not let this government get away with pretending there’s nothing to see here and everything is OK.

“Labor will use the mechanisms of parliament to get answers for Tasmanians about the extent of these cuts and how the government plans to implement them.”

Liberal minister Eric Abetz said the public sector keeping an eye on staff costs was nothing new.

“Vacancy controls has been something that the state government has had for a long period of time, that was always in place prior to Covid,” he said.

“There was a hiatus with Covid that these things weren’t put in place.

“Now that we post Covid it is appropriate that we have those vacancy controls put back in place.

“The Tasmanian taxpayers expect us to be very good stewards of their money.

“The one thing that I would say about these vacancy controls is that it doesn’t deal with frontline services, frontline services will be maintained and in fact, increased and enhanced.

“We’re getting, for example, getting more police.”

Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the vacancy control measures were “a shocking indictment” on the government’s performance.

“This is a form of cuts, when you don’t replace staff when they leave a position,” Dr woodruff said.

“That is an effective cut of service delivery. It’s not just a cut to the number of staff, it’s a cut to the service delivery. The figures that we’ve seen on our surgeries that are being performed are really, really so frighteningly concerning for somebody who’s on that waiting list, watching it growing. What we need is more money going into the health system, not cuts that are happening at the moment.

Parliament resumes on Tuesday, with debate on a Greens bill to decriminalise begging among the items on the agenda for debate.

mockery.

——

it would be dry comedy if it wasn’t the way it is.

sarahs mum said:

Labor vows to go after government on health job cuts
David KillickPolitical Editor
Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff. Picture: Chris Kidd

Labor and the Greens will call on the state government to justify what they describe as job cuts in the health sector when parliament resumes on Tuesday.

A leaked Department of Health memo last week revealed a huge budget overrun and plans to rein in hiring.

Labor’s deputy leader Anita Dow said the Liberals’ claim that frontline health staff won’t be affected was “spin”.

“All jobs in the health service are important,” she said.

“With the health system already at breaking point, for the Liberals to suggest that cutting non-patient-facing roles won’t affect doctors, nurses and paramedics is downright dangerous.

“After ten years of the Liberals, the waitlist to see a specialist has more than doubled. More than 33,000 extra people are stuck on a waitlist compared to 2014.

“We will not let this government get away with pretending there’s nothing to see here and everything is OK.

“Labor will use the mechanisms of parliament to get answers for Tasmanians about the extent of these cuts and how the government plans to implement them.”

Liberal minister Eric Abetz said the public sector keeping an eye on staff costs was nothing new.

“Vacancy controls has been something that the state government has had for a long period of time, that was always in place prior to Covid,” he said.

“There was a hiatus with Covid that these things weren’t put in place.

“Now that we post Covid it is appropriate that we have those vacancy controls put back in place.

“The Tasmanian taxpayers expect us to be very good stewards of their money.

“The one thing that I would say about these vacancy controls is that it doesn’t deal with frontline services, frontline services will be maintained and in fact, increased and enhanced.

“We’re getting, for example, getting more police.”

Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the vacancy control measures were “a shocking indictment” on the government’s performance.

“This is a form of cuts, when you don’t replace staff when they leave a position,” Dr woodruff said.

“That is an effective cut of service delivery. It’s not just a cut to the number of staff, it’s a cut to the service delivery. The figures that we’ve seen on our surgeries that are being performed are really, really so frighteningly concerning for somebody who’s on that waiting list, watching it growing. What we need is more money going into the health system, not cuts that are happening at the moment.

Parliament resumes on Tuesday, with debate on a Greens bill to decriminalise begging among the items on the agenda for debate.

mockery.

——

it would be dry comedy if it wasn’t the way it is.

Zillion-dollar stadiums are more important than basic medical staff.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Labor vows to go after government on health job cuts
David KillickPolitical Editor
Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff. Picture: Chris Kidd

Labor and the Greens will call on the state government to justify what they describe as job cuts in the health sector when parliament resumes on Tuesday.

A leaked Department of Health memo last week revealed a huge budget overrun and plans to rein in hiring.

Labor’s deputy leader Anita Dow said the Liberals’ claim that frontline health staff won’t be affected was “spin”.

“All jobs in the health service are important,” she said.

“With the health system already at breaking point, for the Liberals to suggest that cutting non-patient-facing roles won’t affect doctors, nurses and paramedics is downright dangerous.

“After ten years of the Liberals, the waitlist to see a specialist has more than doubled. More than 33,000 extra people are stuck on a waitlist compared to 2014.

“We will not let this government get away with pretending there’s nothing to see here and everything is OK.

“Labor will use the mechanisms of parliament to get answers for Tasmanians about the extent of these cuts and how the government plans to implement them.”

Liberal minister Eric Abetz said the public sector keeping an eye on staff costs was nothing new.

“Vacancy controls has been something that the state government has had for a long period of time, that was always in place prior to Covid,” he said.

“There was a hiatus with Covid that these things weren’t put in place.

“Now that we post Covid it is appropriate that we have those vacancy controls put back in place.

“The Tasmanian taxpayers expect us to be very good stewards of their money.

“The one thing that I would say about these vacancy controls is that it doesn’t deal with frontline services, frontline services will be maintained and in fact, increased and enhanced.

“We’re getting, for example, getting more police.”

Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the vacancy control measures were “a shocking indictment” on the government’s performance.

“This is a form of cuts, when you don’t replace staff when they leave a position,” Dr woodruff said.

“That is an effective cut of service delivery. It’s not just a cut to the number of staff, it’s a cut to the service delivery. The figures that we’ve seen on our surgeries that are being performed are really, really so frighteningly concerning for somebody who’s on that waiting list, watching it growing. What we need is more money going into the health system, not cuts that are happening at the moment.

Parliament resumes on Tuesday, with debate on a Greens bill to decriminalise begging among the items on the agenda for debate.

mockery.

——

it would be dry comedy if it wasn’t the way it is.

Zillion-dollar stadiums are more important than basic medical staff.

with more police to look good in front of a stadium and to harass families living in tents.

sarahs mum said:

Labor vows to go after government on health job cuts
David KillickPolitical Editor
Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff. Picture: Chris Kidd

Labor and the Greens will call on the state government to justify what they describe as job cuts in the health sector when parliament resumes on Tuesday.

A leaked Department of Health memo last week revealed a huge budget overrun and plans to rein in hiring.

Labor’s deputy leader Anita Dow said the Liberals’ claim that frontline health staff won’t be affected was “spin”.

“All jobs in the health service are important,” she said.

“With the health system already at breaking point, for the Liberals to suggest that cutting non-patient-facing roles won’t affect doctors, nurses and paramedics is downright dangerous.

“After ten years of the Liberals, the waitlist to see a specialist has more than doubled. More than 33,000 extra people are stuck on a waitlist compared to 2014.

“We will not let this government get away with pretending there’s nothing to see here and everything is OK.

“Labor will use the mechanisms of parliament to get answers for Tasmanians about the extent of these cuts and how the government plans to implement them.”

Liberal minister Eric Abetz said the public sector keeping an eye on staff costs was nothing new.

“Vacancy controls has been something that the state government has had for a long period of time, that was always in place prior to Covid,” he said.

“There was a hiatus with Covid that these things weren’t put in place.

“Now that we post Covid it is appropriate that we have those vacancy controls put back in place.

“The Tasmanian taxpayers expect us to be very good stewards of their money.

“The one thing that I would say about these vacancy controls is that it doesn’t deal with frontline services, frontline services will be maintained and in fact, increased and enhanced.

“We’re getting, for example, getting more police.”

Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the vacancy control measures were “a shocking indictment” on the government’s performance.

“This is a form of cuts, when you don’t replace staff when they leave a position,” Dr woodruff said.

“That is an effective cut of service delivery. It’s not just a cut to the number of staff, it’s a cut to the service delivery. The figures that we’ve seen on our surgeries that are being performed are really, really so frighteningly concerning for somebody who’s on that waiting list, watching it growing. What we need is more money going into the health system, not cuts that are happening at the moment.

Parliament resumes on Tuesday, with debate on a Greens bill to decriminalise begging among the items on the agenda for debate.

mockery.

——

it would be dry comedy if it wasn’t the way it is.

If only Labor had tried to form government

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Labor vows to go after government on health job cuts
David KillickPolitical Editor
Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff. Picture: Chris Kidd

Labor and the Greens will call on the state government to justify what they describe as job cuts in the health sector when parliament resumes on Tuesday.

A leaked Department of Health memo last week revealed a huge budget overrun and plans to rein in hiring.

Labor’s deputy leader Anita Dow said the Liberals’ claim that frontline health staff won’t be affected was “spin”.

“All jobs in the health service are important,” she said.

“With the health system already at breaking point, for the Liberals to suggest that cutting non-patient-facing roles won’t affect doctors, nurses and paramedics is downright dangerous.

“After ten years of the Liberals, the waitlist to see a specialist has more than doubled. More than 33,000 extra people are stuck on a waitlist compared to 2014.

“We will not let this government get away with pretending there’s nothing to see here and everything is OK.

“Labor will use the mechanisms of parliament to get answers for Tasmanians about the extent of these cuts and how the government plans to implement them.”

Liberal minister Eric Abetz said the public sector keeping an eye on staff costs was nothing new.

“Vacancy controls has been something that the state government has had for a long period of time, that was always in place prior to Covid,” he said.

“There was a hiatus with Covid that these things weren’t put in place.

“Now that we post Covid it is appropriate that we have those vacancy controls put back in place.

“The Tasmanian taxpayers expect us to be very good stewards of their money.

“The one thing that I would say about these vacancy controls is that it doesn’t deal with frontline services, frontline services will be maintained and in fact, increased and enhanced.

“We’re getting, for example, getting more police.”

Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said the vacancy control measures were “a shocking indictment” on the government’s performance.

“This is a form of cuts, when you don’t replace staff when they leave a position,” Dr woodruff said.

“That is an effective cut of service delivery. It’s not just a cut to the number of staff, it’s a cut to the service delivery. The figures that we’ve seen on our surgeries that are being performed are really, really so frighteningly concerning for somebody who’s on that waiting list, watching it growing. What we need is more money going into the health system, not cuts that are happening at the moment.

Parliament resumes on Tuesday, with debate on a Greens bill to decriminalise begging among the items on the agenda for debate.

mockery.

——

it would be dry comedy if it wasn’t the way it is.

If only Labor had tried to form government

they’re pretending that the greens are the opposition.

Tassie’s health care system is so good that brane doktor made her parents move to Victoria.

Labor leader accused JLN MPs of going back on pledge to hold government to account
Labor leader Dean Winter has launched a broadside at the Jacqui Lambie Network — accusing the party of having abandoned its election pledge of holding the government to account.
David KillickPolitical Editor

Labor leader Dean Winter speaks to the media at Parliament Square in Hobart on Tuesday 18 June, 2024.

Labor leader Dean Winter has launched a broadside at the Jacqui Lambie Network — accusing the party of having abandoned its election pledge of holding the government to account.

Mr Winter said the deal struck by the party’s three MPs to back the government’s budget bills meant they would have to shoulder the blame for locking in health cuts.

“The concern that I’ve got around their agreement is that they’re not doing what they promised Tasmania’s they would do and that is hold this government to account,” Mr Winter said.

“The Jacqui Lambie Network has provided supply and confidence to the Liberal government and now they are just as much a part of this government as the Liberals are.

“They have teamed up together and so they need to take responsibility for what’s going on.
“They promised to be the party of transparency and accountability and instead they just appear to be toeing the Liberal Party line.”

Responding to shots fired from Labor, Lambie Network MP Andrew Jenner said: “Oh give me a break. Saul Eslake is already reviewing the state of the budget, Dr Nicholas Gruen is doing the review of the business case for the stadium and both these reports will be released in full to the Tasmanian people.

“The fact that the Labor leader can accuse others of a lack of transparency, with a straight face – when they have flipped on pokies, donation reform and the stadium, just beggars belief.

“This sort of cheap political bullying is part of the reason so many Tasmanians have moved away from the major parties. Tasmanians expect better from their politicians.”

Greens leader Rosalie Woodruff said if Lambie Network members were unhappy, they could use their influence to change outcomes.
“They’ve made an agreement with the Liberal government and clearly the Liberal government is going to go in and cut across the whole of health, cuts to a department that has to have been massive increases into it in order just to keep pace with the burden of health need in the community that’s not met at the moment,” she said.

“The JLN are in a place where they should be exerting real pressure on the government because it is thanks to them that budgets will pass, and that the money should be flowing into the health system.”
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david.killick@news.com.au

OCDC said:

Tassie’s health care system is so good that brane doktor made her parents move to Victoria.

Before i paid off from work, i was talking to a doctor about me and Mrs S toying with the idea of moving to Tasmania.

He’d been working in Tas until not long before. He said that it’s a fabulous place to live, but, for chrissake, don’t get sick there, as the whole health system is one frayed hair away from total collapse, and that if you come down with that anything that requires modern specialist treatment, then pack your bags, you’re off to Melbourne.

captain_spalding said:

OCDC said:

Tassie’s health care system is so good that brane doktor made her parents move to Victoria.

Before i paid off from work, i was talking to a doctor about me and Mrs S toying with the idea of moving to Tasmania.

He’d been working in Tas until not long before. He said that it’s a fabulous place to live, but, for chrissake, don’t get sick there, as the whole health system is one frayed hair away from total collapse, and that if you come down with that anything that requires modern specialist treatment, then pack your bags, you’re off to Melbourne.

seems that the private system is rocking along.

ABC News:

Well, there’s a witness of unimpeachable honesty.

captain_spalding said:

ABC News:

Well, there’s a witness of unimpeachable honesty.

Let’s see hpw many secret ministrations he has.

#BREAKING: Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has told his Coalition colleagues he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

OCDC said:

#BREAKING: Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has told his Coalition colleagues he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Someone much cleverer than he is will have to show him how to do that.

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

They all seem to be at existing thermal power stations.

Tamb said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

They all seem to be at existing thermal power stations.

Likely so they can tap into existing distribution networks.

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

“As well as any local hurdles, the Coalition would also face federal and state hurdles to achieving its plan. Nuclear power is currently illegal in NSW, Queensland, Victoria and federally. All of those laws would need to be overturned, and a regulatory regime for safety and waste management introduced.

No major party leader in any of the relevant states has indicated support for Mr Dutton’s nuclear plan. And the current makeup of the federal Senate is also unfavourable, given Labor and the Greens oppose nuclear power. The Coalition would be four short of a majority with the current Senate even if it secured the support of One Nation, the United Australia Party’s Ralph Babet and Liberal-turned-independent David Van.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-19/dutton-reveals-seven-sites-for-proposed-nuclear-power-plants/103995310

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

They all seem to be at existing thermal power stations.

Likely so they can tap into existing distribution networks.

And some of the thermal station infrastructure. Cooling towers etc.

Michael V said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

“As well as any local hurdles, the Coalition would also face federal and state hurdles to achieving its plan. Nuclear power is currently illegal in NSW, Queensland, Victoria and federally. All of those laws would need to be overturned, and a regulatory regime for safety and waste management introduced.

No major party leader in any of the relevant states has indicated support for Mr Dutton’s nuclear plan. And the current makeup of the federal Senate is also unfavourable, given Labor and the Greens oppose nuclear power. The Coalition would be four short of a majority with the current Senate even if it secured the support of One Nation, the United Australia Party’s Ralph Babet and Liberal-turned-independent David Van.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-19/dutton-reveals-seven-sites-for-proposed-nuclear-power-plants/103995310

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

Poor old Tassie misses out again!! P’raps they could give them a nuclear power station instead of a stadium.

What say the Taswegians?

Woodie said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

Poor old Tassie misses out again!! P’raps they could give them a nuclear power station instead of a stadium.

What say the Taswegians?

We have plenty of hydro power, but Dutton might be planning to bulldoze all that and replace them with coal.

Tamb said:

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

It doesn’t.

It’s run by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO), which is a Federal government agency, for a range of nuclear medicine, research, scientific, industrial and production purposes.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

It doesn’t.

It’s run by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO), which is a Federal government agency, for a range of nuclear medicine, research, scientific, industrial and production purposes.

It’s in an outer suburb of Sydney.

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

It doesn’t.

It’s run by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO), which is a Federal government agency, for a range of nuclear medicine, research, scientific, industrial and production purposes.

It’s in an outer suburb of Sydney.

It’s not a nuclear power station.

btm said:

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

It doesn’t.

It’s run by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO), which is a Federal government agency, for a range of nuclear medicine, research, scientific, industrial and production purposes.

It’s in an outer suburb of Sydney.

It’s not a nuclear power station.

The High Flux Australian Reactor (HIFAR) was Australia’s first nuclear reactor. It was built at the Australian Atomic Energy Commission (later ANSTO) Research Establishment at Lucas Heights, Sydney. The reactor was in operation between 1958 and 2007, when it was superseded by the Open-pool Australian lightwater reactor, also in Lucas Heights

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

It doesn’t.

It’s run by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO), which is a Federal government agency, for a range of nuclear medicine, research, scientific, industrial and production purposes.

It’s in an outer suburb of Sydney.

It is now.

It wasn’t in 1956.

Back then, Lucas Heights was well outside the population sprawl of Sydney. Since then, that sprawl has spread to envelop the research site.

The Federal government negotiated with the NSW state govt for a site which was close to manufacturing and service industries such as those found in Sydney, with good road connections to large industrial cities (Sydney and Wollongong), but which was, at the same time a good distance away from the population boundaries of those cities. Which it was in 1956. In 1956, Lucas Heights was well out in the sticks.

To move to Lucas Height today, and grizzle about the reactor being there is top be rather disingenuous. There is no record of the reactors presence having been concealed in any printed reference source, or of it having been camouflaged to deceive potential real estate customers as to its existence.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

“As well as any local hurdles, the Coalition would also face federal and state hurdles to achieving its plan. Nuclear power is currently illegal in NSW, Queensland, Victoria and federally. All of those laws would need to be overturned, and a regulatory regime for safety and waste management introduced.

No major party leader in any of the relevant states has indicated support for Mr Dutton’s nuclear plan. And the current makeup of the federal Senate is also unfavourable, given Labor and the Greens oppose nuclear power. The Coalition would be four short of a majority with the current Senate even if it secured the support of One Nation, the United Australia Party’s Ralph Babet and Liberal-turned-independent David Van.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-19/dutton-reveals-seven-sites-for-proposed-nuclear-power-plants/103995310

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

It’s a research reactor, not a power plant.

Woodie said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

Poor old Tassie misses out again!! P’raps they could give them a nuclear power station instead of a stadium.

What say the Taswegians?

And neither does the NT, nor ACT.

captain_spalding said:

Tamb said:

captain_spalding said:

It doesn’t.

It’s run by the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO), which is a Federal government agency, for a range of nuclear medicine, research, scientific, industrial and production purposes.

It’s in an outer suburb of Sydney.

It is now.

It wasn’t in 1956.

Back then, Lucas Heights was well outside the population sprawl of Sydney. Since then, that sprawl has spread to envelop the research site.

The Federal government negotiated with the NSW state govt for a site which was close to manufacturing and service industries such as those found in Sydney, with good road connections to large industrial cities (Sydney and Wollongong), but which was, at the same time a good distance away from the population boundaries of those cities. Which it was in 1956. In 1956, Lucas Heights was well out in the sticks.

To move to Lucas Height today, and grizzle about the reactor being there is top be rather disingenuous. There is no record of the reactors presence having been concealed in any printed reference source, or of it having been camouflaged to deceive potential real estate customers as to its existence.

We had a house in Engadine. By road quite a distance but 3km in a straight line.

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

“As well as any local hurdles, the Coalition would also face federal and state hurdles to achieving its plan. Nuclear power is currently illegal in NSW, Queensland, Victoria and federally. All of those laws would need to be overturned, and a regulatory regime for safety and waste management introduced.

No major party leader in any of the relevant states has indicated support for Mr Dutton’s nuclear plan. And the current makeup of the federal Senate is also unfavourable, given Labor and the Greens oppose nuclear power. The Coalition would be four short of a majority with the current Senate even if it secured the support of One Nation, the United Australia Party’s Ralph Babet and Liberal-turned-independent David Van.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-19/dutton-reveals-seven-sites-for-proposed-nuclear-power-plants/103995310

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

It’s a research reactor, not a power plant.

Semantics.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

How does NSW legally operate Lucas Heights?

It’s a research reactor, not a power plant.

Semantics.

Welcome To The Legal World

Semantics.

Semantics is that branch of linguistics concerned with meaning.

SCIENCE said:

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

It’s a research reactor, not a power plant.

Semantics.

Welcome To The Legal World

Yes. No “looks like a duck” there.

dv said:

Semantics.

Semantics is that branch of linguistics concerned with meaning.

OK. Obfuscation.

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318

All fine as long as they also agree to put out any fires in and around traditional fossil fuelled power plants oh wait oh shit.

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318

“We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318

All fine as long as they also agree to put out any fires in and around traditional fossil fuelled power plants oh wait oh shit.

“We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

How convenient this is then that renewable micro grids are getting popular, massive installations vulnerable to natural disasters and foreign attack are so last millennium

This morning, Treasurer Jim Chalmers told The Australian’s energy conference the Coalition’s nuclear plan is “the dumbest policy ever put forward by a major party” and sought to contrast the Coalition’s plan, likely to require significant public funding, with Labor’s plan to encourage private investment in renewables and gas.

Always knew that Corruption were the party of Big Government and Communism were the party of Private Enterprise Owning The Means Of Production.

Bubblecar said:

OCDC said:

#BREAKING: Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has told his Coalition colleagues he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Someone much cleverer than he is will have to show him how to do that.

and he’s going to have to find a lot of money by taking it away from the disabled, the aged, the schools the hospitals.. and etc.

Tamb said:

Michael V said:

Tamb said:

They all seem to be at existing thermal power stations.

Likely so they can tap into existing distribution networks.

And some of the thermal station infrastructure. Cooling towers etc.

Sounds like you want them.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

OCDC said:

#BREAKING: Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has told his Coalition colleagues he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Someone much cleverer than he is will have to show him how to do that.

and he’s going to have to find a lot of money by taking it away from the disabled, the aged, the schools the hospitals.. and etc.

No need, it turns out that just like plug in EV batteries can do the job for renewables, we’ve already committed the $400000000000 deposit for plug in sinking nuclear power plants¡

dv said:

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318

“We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

I make that assumption as well.

Michael V said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318

“We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

I make that assumption as well.

I really don’t think it needs to be assumed, I’d say it has been thus ever since power lines were put there.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

I make that assumption as well.

I really don’t think it needs to be assumed, I’d say it has been thus ever since power lines were put there.

Well, take them down, they spoil the natural beauty of the cleared and charred Australian stolen farmlands¡

Michael V said:

dv said:

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318

“We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

I make that assumption as well.

I’m thinking that those properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers and people who belong to the local CFA. The private tankers often assist the CFA. And if your brigade isn’t going to help on your land, you might be inclined to resign from the brigade. And probably stop your donations. I think there are considerable implications here.

There have been a lot of people in this district against wind towers. Usually for the infrasound and aesthetic reasons that I do not find convincing.

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I make that assumption as well.

I really don’t think it needs to be assumed, I’d say it has been thus ever since power lines were put there.

Well, take them down, they spoil the natural beauty of the cleared and charred Australian stolen farmlands¡

We could bury it all.

Bubblecar said:

Woodie said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

Poor old Tassie misses out again!! P’raps they could give them a nuclear power station instead of a stadium.

What say the Taswegians?

We have plenty of hydro power, but Dutton might be planning to bulldoze all that and replace them with coal.

I was a bit stunned when I heard this on the radio coming back from supermarketing. Apparently one of the big selling points is that it will be government owned. I’m old enough to remember that in Victoria we had government owned power generation/distribution etc…and it was the LibNats who sold it off. Because the private sector always does things better…

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

I make that assumption as well.

I really don’t think it needs to be assumed, I’d say it has been thus ever since power lines were put there.

It should be noted that there are over 1200 volly brigades in Victoria. This boycott by 24 brigades is unfortunate but it’s hardly going to be a major impairment.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

I make that assumption as well.

I really don’t think it needs to be assumed, I’d say it has been thus ever since power lines were put there.

It should be noted that there are over 1200 volly brigades in Victoria. This boycott by 24 brigades is unfortunate but it’s hardly going to be a major impairment.

It is in a particular area though, so that area might have some difficulties.

buffy said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

I really don’t think it needs to be assumed, I’d say it has been thus ever since power lines were put there.

It should be noted that there are over 1200 volly brigades in Victoria. This boycott by 24 brigades is unfortunate but it’s hardly going to be a major impairment.

It is in a particular area though, so that area might have some difficulties.

What happened?

buffy said:

Michael V said:

dv said:

I would have assumed that people have been fighting fires in the vicinity of power lines for quite some time now in Victoria.

I make that assumption as well.

I’m thinking that those properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers and people who belong to the local CFA. The private tankers often assist the CFA. And if your brigade isn’t going to help on your land, you might be inclined to resign from the brigade. And probably stop your donations. I think there are considerable implications here.

There have been a lot of people in this district against wind towers. Usually for the infrasound and aesthetic reasons that I do not find convincing.

Bump…for Tamb.

buffy said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

I make that assumption as well.

I’m thinking that those properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers and people who belong to the local CFA. The private tankers often assist the CFA. And if your brigade isn’t going to help on your land, you might be inclined to resign from the brigade. And probably stop your donations. I think there are considerable implications here.

There have been a lot of people in this district against wind towers. Usually for the infrasound and aesthetic reasons that I do not find convincing.

Bump…for Tamb.

Sorry, lost the first part of that in the bumping.

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318 “We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

buffy said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

I’m thinking that those properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers and people who belong to the local CFA. The private tankers often assist the CFA. And if your brigade isn’t going to help on your land, you might be inclined to resign from the brigade. And probably stop your donations. I think there are considerable implications here.

There have been a lot of people in this district against wind towers. Usually for the infrasound and aesthetic reasons that I do not find convincing.

Bump…for Tamb.

Sorry, lost the first part of that in the bumping.

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318 “We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

Here is that link to the ABC story

buffy said:

buffy said:

Michael V said:

I make that assumption as well.

I’m thinking that those properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers and people who belong to the local CFA. The private tankers often assist the CFA. And if your brigade isn’t going to help on your land, you might be inclined to resign from the brigade. And probably stop your donations. I think there are considerable implications here.

There have been a lot of people in this district against wind towers. Usually for the infrasound and aesthetic reasons that I do not find convincing.

Bump…for Tamb.

Thanks.
This is not the case here: properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers
Transmission lines and wind mills are not privately protected. Neither are mobile phone towers.

buffy said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

I’m thinking that those properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers and people who belong to the local CFA. The private tankers often assist the CFA. And if your brigade isn’t going to help on your land, you might be inclined to resign from the brigade. And probably stop your donations. I think there are considerable implications here.

There have been a lot of people in this district against wind towers. Usually for the infrasound and aesthetic reasons that I do not find convincing.

Bump…for Tamb.

Sorry, lost the first part of that in the bumping.

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318 “We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

Our hose nozzles are made so that an interrupted jet of water is made. There is enough air gap to prevent electricity from transiting through it.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

I’m thinking that those properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers and people who belong to the local CFA. The private tankers often assist the CFA. And if your brigade isn’t going to help on your land, you might be inclined to resign from the brigade. And probably stop your donations. I think there are considerable implications here.

There have been a lot of people in this district against wind towers. Usually for the infrasound and aesthetic reasons that I do not find convincing.

Bump…for Tamb.

Thanks.
This is not the case here: properties with the transmission lines and the wind towers almost certainly have private tankers
Transmission lines and wind mills are not privately protected. Neither are mobile phone towers.

I imagine the owners of the towers and lines also have arrangements, but most farms have their own private tankers. They would be protecting their farms, not the power assets.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

buffy said:

Bump…for Tamb.

Sorry, lost the first part of that in the bumping.

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318 “We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

Our hose nozzles are made so that an interrupted jet of water is made. There is enough air gap to prevent electricity from transiting through it.

Reading that it appears that there is a lot of non firefighting politics involved.

Tamb said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Sorry, lost the first part of that in the bumping.

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318 “We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

Our hose nozzles are made so that an interrupted jet of water is made. There is enough air gap to prevent electricity from transiting through it.

Reading that it appears that there is a lot of non firefighting politics involved.

There is, shall we say, friction between volunteers and CFA these days.

Tamb said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Sorry, lost the first part of that in the bumping.

Michael V said:

“Volunteer firefighters from at least 24 brigades in north central Victoria say they will not fight fires around new renewable power plants and transmission lines.” https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2024-06-19/cfa-renewables-protest-volunteer-firefighters-transmission-lines/103995318 “We’re worried about our ability to fight fires around transmission lines and the CFA hasn’t been very good at all at giving us clear instructions on how safe it is to fight fires around them,” Mr Barratt said.

Our hose nozzles are made so that an interrupted jet of water is made. There is enough air gap to prevent electricity from transiting through it.

Reading that it appears that there is a lot of non firefighting politics involved.

Dunno about recent years, but there was a lot of politics in fire brigading quite some years back in NSW.

All about who controlled what resources, how many ‘men’, what appliances, who had what say over how and when they were deployed.

It was a reason why it took NSWFB so long to embrace the concept of waterbombing, especially fixed-wing water bombing: arguments about control and command, impacts on numbers of ‘men on the ground required, and consequent effects on the status of some people.

Chinese officials accused of blocking the view of Cheng Lei at Parliament House
Cheng Lei’s view blocked by Chinese embassy officials

Chinese embassy officials allegedly blocked the view of Australian journalist Cheng Lei while she was reporting on a document signing ceremony between the Prime Minister and Chinese Premier Li Qiang earlier today.

Cheng recounted her experience to Sky News Australia following the incident, suggesting the move may have had something to do with her detention and recent release from a Chinese prison.

This morning, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese welcomed Chinese Premier Li Qiang to Parliament House in Canberra. Holding the second most powerful position in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), a Chinese politician of his seniority has not visited Australia since 2017.

Several journalists, including Cheng who is now a presenter and reporter for Sky News Australia, gathered in the main committee room at Parliament House to witness and report on official document signing proceedings with Albanese and Li Qiang.

Footage supplied to Sky News shows a man reportedly working for the Chinese embassy standing in front of Cheng as the document signing ceremony commenced. She was seated alongside other Australian journalists in an area designated for media representatives during the official proceedings.

According to a report from Daniel Hurst at Guardian Australia, an Australian media official approached the man who stood in front of Cheng and politely asked him to step aside. After the requests were repeatedly denied, an Australian media official firmly repeated their request.

“You’re standing in front of my Australian colleague – you must move,” the official reportedly said.

A fellow Australian journalist offered to swap seats with Cheng, and as the pair were doing so, another Chinese embassy official moved to get closer to Cheng’s new seat, a move that was blocked by another Australian official.

After the incident, Cheng did a live cross from Parliament House and suggested China could be “keeping tabs” on her following her release from Chinese prison late last year.

“I’m only guessing this is to prevent me from saying something or doing something that they think would be a bad look, but that in itself was a bad look,” Cheng said.

Later in the Sky News studio, speaking with news anchor Kieran Gilbert, Cheng said she heard Chinese embassy officials being directed to “stay on her”.

“I was sitting behind Chinese ministers, and I think for Chinese media, to get a wide shot (of the ceremony), (it) would have had me in it, and I don’t know what that would have meant for the Chinese audience,” Cheng said.

“Our officials behaved courteously, firmly, as they should have, but the Chinese embassy officials were willing to go above and beyond the lines of decency… it distracted us from reporting.”

At a press conference later today, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was “not aware” of what reportedly took place between Cheng Lei and the Chinese embassy officials.

“I saw Cheng Lei and we smiled at each other during the event,” the Prime Minister told reporters.

“I’m not aware of those issues, it’s important people be allowed to participate fully. That’s what should happen in this building and anywhere else in Australia.”

Cheng Lei was released from a Chinese prison and returned to her home city of Melbourne in October last year. In August 2020, the broadcast journalist, who was working for Chinese state-owned media CGTN at the time, was detained by Chinese officials for “supplying state secrets overseas”, an allegation Lei has and continues to deny.

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) ranked the People’s Republic of China (PRC) 172nd out of 180 countries in its 2024 Press Freedom Index. It states the PRC is the “world’s largest jailer” of journalists.

As of today, there are 106 journalists detained in China.

sarahs mum said:

Chinese officials accused of blocking the view of Cheng Lei at Parliament House
Cheng Lei’s view blocked by Chinese embassy officials

Chinese embassy officials allegedly blocked the view of Australian journalist Cheng Lei while she was reporting on a document signing ceremony between the Prime Minister and Chinese Premier Li Qiang earlier today.

Cheng recounted her experience to Sky News Australia following the incident, suggesting the move may have had something to do with her detention and recent release from a Chinese prison.

This morning, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese welcomed Chinese Premier Li Qiang to Parliament House in Canberra. Holding the second most powerful position in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), a Chinese politician of his seniority has not visited Australia since 2017.

Several journalists, including Cheng who is now a presenter and reporter for Sky News Australia, gathered in the main committee room at Parliament House to witness and report on official document signing proceedings with Albanese and Li Qiang.

Footage supplied to Sky News shows a man reportedly working for the Chinese embassy standing in front of Cheng as the document signing ceremony commenced. She was seated alongside other Australian journalists in an area designated for media representatives during the official proceedings.

According to a report from Daniel Hurst at Guardian Australia, an Australian media official approached the man who stood in front of Cheng and politely asked him to step aside. After the requests were repeatedly denied, an Australian media official firmly repeated their request.

“You’re standing in front of my Australian colleague – you must move,” the official reportedly said.

A fellow Australian journalist offered to swap seats with Cheng, and as the pair were doing so, another Chinese embassy official moved to get closer to Cheng’s new seat, a move that was blocked by another Australian official.

After the incident, Cheng did a live cross from Parliament House and suggested China could be “keeping tabs” on her following her release from Chinese prison late last year.

“I’m only guessing this is to prevent me from saying something or doing something that they think would be a bad look, but that in itself was a bad look,” Cheng said.

Later in the Sky News studio, speaking with news anchor Kieran Gilbert, Cheng said she heard Chinese embassy officials being directed to “stay on her”.

“I was sitting behind Chinese ministers, and I think for Chinese media, to get a wide shot (of the ceremony), (it) would have had me in it, and I don’t know what that would have meant for the Chinese audience,” Cheng said.

“Our officials behaved courteously, firmly, as they should have, but the Chinese embassy officials were willing to go above and beyond the lines of decency… it distracted us from reporting.”

At a press conference later today, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was “not aware” of what reportedly took place between Cheng Lei and the Chinese embassy officials.

“I saw Cheng Lei and we smiled at each other during the event,” the Prime Minister told reporters.

“I’m not aware of those issues, it’s important people be allowed to participate fully. That’s what should happen in this building and anywhere else in Australia.”

Cheng Lei was released from a Chinese prison and returned to her home city of Melbourne in October last year. In August 2020, the broadcast journalist, who was working for Chinese state-owned media CGTN at the time, was detained by Chinese officials for “supplying state secrets overseas”, an allegation Lei has and continues to deny.

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) ranked the People’s Republic of China (PRC) 172nd out of 180 countries in its 2024 Press Freedom Index. It states the PRC is the “world’s largest jailer” of journalists.

As of today, there are 106 journalists detained in China.

Infantile behaviour by the Chinese.

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Chinese officials accused of blocking the view of Cheng Lei at Parliament House
Cheng Lei’s view blocked by Chinese embassy officials

Chinese embassy officials allegedly blocked the view of Australian journalist Cheng Lei while she was reporting on a document signing ceremony between the Prime Minister and Chinese Premier Li Qiang earlier today.

Cheng recounted her experience to Sky News Australia following the incident, suggesting the move may have had something to do with her detention and recent release from a Chinese prison.

This morning, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese welcomed Chinese Premier Li Qiang to Parliament House in Canberra. Holding the second most powerful position in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), a Chinese politician of his seniority has not visited Australia since 2017.

Several journalists, including Cheng who is now a presenter and reporter for Sky News Australia, gathered in the main committee room at Parliament House to witness and report on official document signing proceedings with Albanese and Li Qiang.

Footage supplied to Sky News shows a man reportedly working for the Chinese embassy standing in front of Cheng as the document signing ceremony commenced. She was seated alongside other Australian journalists in an area designated for media representatives during the official proceedings.

According to a report from Daniel Hurst at Guardian Australia, an Australian media official approached the man who stood in front of Cheng and politely asked him to step aside. After the requests were repeatedly denied, an Australian media official firmly repeated their request.

“You’re standing in front of my Australian colleague – you must move,” the official reportedly said.

A fellow Australian journalist offered to swap seats with Cheng, and as the pair were doing so, another Chinese embassy official moved to get closer to Cheng’s new seat, a move that was blocked by another Australian official.

After the incident, Cheng did a live cross from Parliament House and suggested China could be “keeping tabs” on her following her release from Chinese prison late last year.

“I’m only guessing this is to prevent me from saying something or doing something that they think would be a bad look, but that in itself was a bad look,” Cheng said.

Later in the Sky News studio, speaking with news anchor Kieran Gilbert, Cheng said she heard Chinese embassy officials being directed to “stay on her”.

“I was sitting behind Chinese ministers, and I think for Chinese media, to get a wide shot (of the ceremony), (it) would have had me in it, and I don’t know what that would have meant for the Chinese audience,” Cheng said.

“Our officials behaved courteously, firmly, as they should have, but the Chinese embassy officials were willing to go above and beyond the lines of decency… it distracted us from reporting.”

At a press conference later today, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was “not aware” of what reportedly took place between Cheng Lei and the Chinese embassy officials.

“I saw Cheng Lei and we smiled at each other during the event,” the Prime Minister told reporters.

“I’m not aware of those issues, it’s important people be allowed to participate fully. That’s what should happen in this building and anywhere else in Australia.”

Cheng Lei was released from a Chinese prison and returned to her home city of Melbourne in October last year. In August 2020, the broadcast journalist, who was working for Chinese state-owned media CGTN at the time, was detained by Chinese officials for “supplying state secrets overseas”, an allegation Lei has and continues to deny.

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) ranked the People’s Republic of China (PRC) 172nd out of 180 countries in its 2024 Press Freedom Index. It states the PRC is the “world’s largest jailer” of journalists.

As of today, there are 106 journalists detained in China.

Infantile behaviour by the Chinese.

Yes but they are very powerful infants.

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

sarahs mum said:

Chinese officials accused of blocking the view of Cheng Lei at Parliament House
Cheng Lei’s view blocked by Chinese embassy officials

Chinese embassy officials allegedly blocked the view of Australian journalist Cheng Lei while she was reporting on a document signing ceremony between the Prime Minister and Chinese Premier Li Qiang earlier today.

Cheng recounted her experience to Sky News Australia following the incident, suggesting the move may have had something to do with her detention and recent release from a Chinese prison.

This morning, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese welcomed Chinese Premier Li Qiang to Parliament House in Canberra. Holding the second most powerful position in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), a Chinese politician of his seniority has not visited Australia since 2017.

Several journalists, including Cheng who is now a presenter and reporter for Sky News Australia, gathered in the main committee room at Parliament House to witness and report on official document signing proceedings with Albanese and Li Qiang.

Footage supplied to Sky News shows a man reportedly working for the Chinese embassy standing in front of Cheng as the document signing ceremony commenced. She was seated alongside other Australian journalists in an area designated for media representatives during the official proceedings.

According to a report from Daniel Hurst at Guardian Australia, an Australian media official approached the man who stood in front of Cheng and politely asked him to step aside. After the requests were repeatedly denied, an Australian media official firmly repeated their request.

“You’re standing in front of my Australian colleague – you must move,” the official reportedly said.

A fellow Australian journalist offered to swap seats with Cheng, and as the pair were doing so, another Chinese embassy official moved to get closer to Cheng’s new seat, a move that was blocked by another Australian official.

After the incident, Cheng did a live cross from Parliament House and suggested China could be “keeping tabs” on her following her release from Chinese prison late last year.

“I’m only guessing this is to prevent me from saying something or doing something that they think would be a bad look, but that in itself was a bad look,” Cheng said.

Later in the Sky News studio, speaking with news anchor Kieran Gilbert, Cheng said she heard Chinese embassy officials being directed to “stay on her”.

“I was sitting behind Chinese ministers, and I think for Chinese media, to get a wide shot (of the ceremony), (it) would have had me in it, and I don’t know what that would have meant for the Chinese audience,” Cheng said.

“Our officials behaved courteously, firmly, as they should have, but the Chinese embassy officials were willing to go above and beyond the lines of decency… it distracted us from reporting.”

At a press conference later today, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said he was “not aware” of what reportedly took place between Cheng Lei and the Chinese embassy officials.

“I saw Cheng Lei and we smiled at each other during the event,” the Prime Minister told reporters.

“I’m not aware of those issues, it’s important people be allowed to participate fully. That’s what should happen in this building and anywhere else in Australia.”

Cheng Lei was released from a Chinese prison and returned to her home city of Melbourne in October last year. In August 2020, the broadcast journalist, who was working for Chinese state-owned media CGTN at the time, was detained by Chinese officials for “supplying state secrets overseas”, an allegation Lei has and continues to deny.

Reporters Without Borders (RSF) ranked the People’s Republic of China (PRC) 172nd out of 180 countries in its 2024 Press Freedom Index. It states the PRC is the “world’s largest jailer” of journalists.

As of today, there are 106 journalists detained in China.

Infantile behaviour by the Chinese.

Yes but they are very powerful infants.

They shouldbe taught that they do not have power inside Parliament House.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Infantile behaviour by the Chinese.

Yes but they are very powerful infants.

They shouldbe taught that they do not have power inside Parliament House.

Who is smacking their hand but?

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

Yes but they are very powerful infants.

They shouldbe taught that they do not have power inside Parliament House.

Who is smacking their hand but?

The Usher of the Black Rod should be empowered to approach the offender, shout ‘ In the name of King Charles III and the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia, sit the fuck down, you stupid bastard’.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0DLngQsE0Y

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

They shouldbe taught that they do not have power inside Parliament House.

Who is smacking their hand but?

The Usher of the Black Rod should be empowered to approach the offender, shout ‘ In the name of King Charles III and the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia, sit the fuck down, you stupid bastard’.

Would be good if someone did don the Usher of the Black Rod’s gown.

Wait so we agree then that using blocking the view for example using umbrellas is unacceptable.

SCIENCE said:

Wait so we agree then that using blocking the view for example using _strategically positioned_umbrellas is unacceptable.

fixed.

Dinner report: steak, creamy mushroom sauce, broc, carrots

OCDC said:

Dinner report: steak, creamy mushroom sauce, broc, carrots

So what’s that got to do with politics?

OCDC said:

Dinner report: steak, creamy mushroom sauce, broc, carrots

Sounds splendid. What cut of steak?

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

Dinner report: steak, creamy mushroom sauce, broc, carrots

So what’s that got to do with politics?

inflation

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

OCDC said:

Dinner report: steak, creamy mushroom sauce, broc, carrots

So what’s that got to do with politics?

inflation

fair.

OCDC said:

Dinner report: steak, creamy mushroom sauce, broc, carrots

Oops.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

roughbarked said:

So what’s that got to do with politics?

inflation

fair.

‘Cost of living’ is the current terminology.

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

No idea about the rest of the country, but I don’t think we need one in WA.

party_pants said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

No idea about the rest of the country, but I don’t think we need one in WA.

The latest absurdity is opposition to offshore wind in the Illawarra. Who knew Tories were such environmentalists?

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

OCDC said:

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane
Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone
Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley
Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow
Port Augusta in SA
Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley
Muja in WA, near Collie
Five of the seven are in Coalition seats: Muja in Rick Wilson’s seat of O’Connor, Loy Yang in Darren Chester’s seat of Gippsland, Port Augusta in Rowan Ramsey’s seat of Grey, Callide in Colin Boyce’s seat of Flynn and Tarong in Nationals leader David Littleproud’s seat of Maranoa.

No idea about the rest of the country, but I don’t think we need one in WA.

The latest absurdity is opposition to offshore wind in the Illawarra. Who knew Tories were such environmentalists?

Nods.

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

No idea about the rest of the country, but I don’t think we need one in WA.

The latest absurdity is opposition to offshore wind in the Illawarra. Who knew Tories were such environmentalists?

Nods.

Who knew we had Tories here?

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The latest absurdity is opposition to offshore wind in the Illawarra. Who knew Tories were such environmentalists?

Nods.

Who knew we had Tories here?

The PM has long rejoiced in, in his words ‘fighting tories’.

Witty Rejoinder said:

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Nods.

Who knew we had Tories here?

The PM has long rejoiced in, in his words ‘fighting tories’.

Mustamissedit.

roughbarked said:

Michael V said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The latest absurdity is opposition to offshore wind in the Illawarra. Who knew Tories were such environmentalists?

Nods.

Who knew we had Tories here?

Tory is an old Irish word meaning robber or outlaw. The British took it on as a reverse whatisname.

All right over to yous geniuses again since we’re clearly too stupid to understand these Corruption ‘wits: why does a fission reactor need to be covered in solar panels ¿

SCIENCE said:

All right over to yous geniuses again since we’re clearly too stupid to understand these Corruption ‘wits: why does a fission reactor need to be covered in solar panels ¿

Well, a utopian image of a Duttonean future.
Didn’t consider the farmers too much.
No sheep or cows or crops. Perhaps he has a grand plan where all will be explained later, and we just have to trust him.

SCIENCE said:

All right over to yous geniuses again since we’re clearly too stupid to understand these Corruption ‘wits: why does a fission reactor need to be covered in solar panels ¿

AFAIK there are no operational Small Modular Reactors. A bad computer rendered impression is the best we can get. We would be basically be the developers of this hypothetical branch of technological development.Nuclear guinea pigs.

So fuck Peter Cutton and his SMRs.

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

All right over to yous geniuses again since we’re clearly too stupid to understand these Corruption ‘wits: why does a fission reactor need to be covered in solar panels ¿

AFAIK there are no operational Small Modular Reactors. A bad computer rendered impression is the best we can get. We would be basically be the developers of this hypothetical branch of technological development.Nuclear guinea pigs.

So fuck Peter Cutton and his SMRs.

You are 100% correct. The small modular reactors that are being proposed for the SA and WA sites are not currently commercially available anywhere in the world but they are not technologically bespoke. Similar reactors are currently used to power naval vessels.

diddly-squat said:

party_pants said:

SCIENCE said:

All right over to yous geniuses again since we’re clearly too stupid to understand these Corruption ‘wits: why does a fission reactor need to be covered in solar panels ¿

AFAIK there are no operational Small Modular Reactors. A bad computer rendered impression is the best we can get. We would be basically be the developers of this hypothetical branch of technological development.Nuclear guinea pigs.

So fuck Peter Cutton and his SMRs.

You are 100% correct. The small modular reactors that are being proposed for the SA and WA sites are not currently commercially available anywhere in the world but they are not technologically bespoke. Similar reactors are currently used to power naval vessels.

The ones that power naval vessels such as submarines and carriers are enriched to weapons grade IIRC. Would this mean having weapons grade fuel for domestic power generators?

party_pants said:

The ones that power naval vessels such as submarines and carriers are enriched to weapons grade IIRC. Would this mean having weapons grade fuel for domestic power generators?

Shipboard reactors do use 90%-enriched (weapons grade) uranium.

But, Bechtel, who built the A1B reactor for the USS Gerald Ford, has begun building a 345-megawatt power station reactor that uses low-enriched fuel:

https://www.bechtel.com/newsroom/press-releases/americas-next-nuclear-power-plant-begins-construction/

fsm said:

Nuclear power generation is not a bad idea, really. It just should have been begun in Australia about 30 -40 years ago.

One of Mrs S’s relatives (English-born, but working in the US in nuclear power) put it like this: ‘do you want nuclear-generated power, where, admittedly, something could happen that could cause a hazard to people, but only if a list of of about 30 safeguards and preventives all failed, one after the other?

Or do you want fossil-fueled power generation, where waste products that are proven harmful to both people and the environment are continuously pumped into the environment every minute that those power plants are operating, as part of their normal working?’.

fsm said:

:)

captain_spalding said:

fsm said:

Nuclear power generation is not a bad idea, really. It just should have been begun in Australia about 30 -40 years ago.

One of Mrs S’s relatives (English-born, but working in the US in nuclear power) put it like this: ‘do you want nuclear-generated power, where, admittedly, something could happen that could cause a hazard to people, but only if a list of of about 30 safeguards and preventives all failed, one after the other?

Or do you want fossil-fueled power generation, where waste products that are proven harmful to both people and the environment are continuously pumped into the environment every minute that those power plants are operating, as part of their normal working?’.

Or do you want a renewable solution: solar, wind, pumped hydro, etc.

fsm said:

captain_spalding said:

fsm said:

Nuclear power generation is not a bad idea, really. It just should have been begun in Australia about 30 -40 years ago.

One of Mrs S’s relatives (English-born, but working in the US in nuclear power) put it like this: ‘do you want nuclear-generated power, where, admittedly, something could happen that could cause a hazard to people, but only if a list of of about 30 safeguards and preventives all failed, one after the other?

Or do you want fossil-fueled power generation, where waste products that are proven harmful to both people and the environment are continuously pumped into the environment every minute that those power plants are operating, as part of their normal working?’.

Or do you want a renewable solution: solar, wind, pumped hydro, etc.

I’ll go with fsm’s solution, thanks.

fsm said:

captain_spalding said:

fsm said:

Nuclear power generation is not a bad idea, really. It just should have been begun in Australia about 30 -40 years ago.

One of Mrs S’s relatives (English-born, but working in the US in nuclear power) put it like this: ‘do you want nuclear-generated power, where, admittedly, something could happen that could cause a hazard to people, but only if a list of of about 30 safeguards and preventives all failed, one after the other?

Or do you want fossil-fueled power generation, where waste products that are proven harmful to both people and the environment are continuously pumped into the environment every minute that those power plants are operating, as part of their normal working?’.

Or do you want a renewable solution: solar, wind, pumped hydro, etc.

Renewable, yes, definitely.

But, there seems to be a lack of political will on both sides to do anyhting about it.

The current power generation system that we have is the product of massive investment by governments in its construction and development. It wasn’t done by private industry. If it’d been left to private industry, large cities might have electricity, but everyone else would be using candles and oil lamps.

Governments were willing to accept that the power grid might only run at a break-even level, or even at a loss, for the sake of the development of the country and industry.

But, these days, governments are quite happy to leave it to private industry, which is not interested in break-even, let alone losses. If they do show any interest in the ideas, then they want extensive help and guarantees from governments.

We want renewables, our governments want renewables, but were not likely to get it any time soon while waiting for private industry to apply itself to the task.

Right now renewables make up 40% of electricity production i Australia and that’s increasing by about 3% per year.

Electricity is the one sector in which Australia is making good progress in “decarbonising”.

Still a long way to go in terms of direct emissions from industry, transport, and agriculture.

dv said:

Right now renewables make up 40% of electricity production i Australia and that’s increasing by about 3% per year.

Electricity is the one sector in which Australia is making good progress in “decarbonising”.

Still a long way to go in terms of direct emissions from industry, transport, and agriculture.

A more positive situation than i had believed to be the case.

Thanks, dv.

fsm said:

captain_spalding said:

fsm said:

Nuclear power generation is not a bad idea, really. It just should have been begun in Australia about 30 -40 years ago.

One of Mrs S’s relatives (English-born, but working in the US in nuclear power) put it like this: ‘do you want nuclear-generated power, where, admittedly, something could happen that could cause a hazard to people, but only if a list of of about 30 safeguards and preventives all failed, one after the other?

Or do you want fossil-fueled power generation, where waste products that are proven harmful to both people and the environment are continuously pumped into the environment every minute that those power plants are operating, as part of their normal working?’.

Or do you want a renewable solution: solar, wind, pumped hydro, etc.

In in ideal world I think there is room for both.. one of the not very often talked about issue here in Australia is that a publicly owned nuclear power generation industry would require a shed load of nuclear trained professionals and at the moment I think Flinders is the only uni that offers courses of this kind in Australia.

captain_spalding said:

fsm said:

captain_spalding said:

Nuclear power generation is not a bad idea, really. It just should have been begun in Australia about 30 -40 years ago.

One of Mrs S’s relatives (English-born, but working in the US in nuclear power) put it like this: ‘do you want nuclear-generated power, where, admittedly, something could happen that could cause a hazard to people, but only if a list of of about 30 safeguards and preventives all failed, one after the other?

Or do you want fossil-fueled power generation, where waste products that are proven harmful to both people and the environment are continuously pumped into the environment every minute that those power plants are operating, as part of their normal working?’.

Or do you want a renewable solution: solar, wind, pumped hydro, etc.

Renewable, yes, definitely.

But, there seems to be a lack of political will on both sides to do anyhting about it.

The current power generation system that we have is the product of massive investment by governments in its construction and development. It wasn’t done by private industry. If it’d been left to private industry, large cities might have electricity, but everyone else would be using candles and oil lamps.

Governments were willing to accept that the power grid might only run at a break-even level, or even at a loss, for the sake of the development of the country and industry.

But, these days, governments are quite happy to leave it to private industry, which is not interested in break-even, let alone losses. If they do show any interest in the ideas, then they want extensive help and guarantees from governments.

We want renewables, our governments want renewables, but were not likely to get it any time soon while waiting for private industry to apply itself to the task.

I’d argue it’s not really the government’s place to doing too much about it other than creating the necessary infrastructure to support a carbon trading economy that would facilitate private investment. The biggest issue we’ve had in Australia is the flipping and flopping on policy and no private company is going to invest into that cluster fuck.

diddly-squat said:

fsm said:

captain_spalding said:

Nuclear power generation is not a bad idea, really. It just should have been begun in Australia about 30 -40 years ago.

One of Mrs S’s relatives (English-born, but working in the US in nuclear power) put it like this: ‘do you want nuclear-generated power, where, admittedly, something could happen that could cause a hazard to people, but only if a list of of about 30 safeguards and preventives all failed, one after the other?

Or do you want fossil-fueled power generation, where waste products that are proven harmful to both people and the environment are continuously pumped into the environment every minute that those power plants are operating, as part of their normal working?’.

Or do you want a renewable solution: solar, wind, pumped hydro, etc.

In in ideal world I think there is room for both.. one of the not very often talked about issue here in Australia is that a publicly owned nuclear power generation industry would require a shed load of nuclear trained professionals and at the moment I think Flinders is the only uni that offers courses of this kind in Australia.

Every industry starts small.

40 or 50 years ago, there wasn’t many software developers or other workers in the computer industry in Australia.

But, as they said in the film , ‘if you build it (they) will come’.

captain_spalding said:

diddly-squat said:

fsm said:

Or do you want a renewable solution: solar, wind, pumped hydro, etc.

In in ideal world I think there is room for both.. one of the not very often talked about issue here in Australia is that a publicly owned nuclear power generation industry would require a shed load of nuclear trained professionals and at the moment I think Flinders is the only uni that offers courses of this kind in Australia.

Every industry starts small.

40 or 50 years ago, there wasn’t many software developers or other workers in the computer industry in Australia.

But, as they said in the film , ‘if you build it (they) will come’.

yeah.. but not too many countries really want foreign nationals working in their nuclear industry…

Electricity from nuclear power in Australia would be at least 50% more expensive than solar and wind, according to a report from the CSIRO that has for the first time calculated costs for large-scale reactors.

By 2030, the report said, electricity from a combination of solar and wind would cost between $73 and $128 a megawatt hour, depending on how much renewable energy was already in the system.

This compared with large-scale nuclear at $141 to $233/MWh and $230 to $382/MWh for small modular reactors.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/22/australia-nuclear-power-plants-csiro-peter-dutton-liberal-coalition-plan