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How’s Putin?
Tau.Neutrino said:
How’s Putin?
Tau.Neutrino said:
How’s Putin?
Well, if Ukraine is not winning, according to some people, neither is Putin feeling all that triumphant, according to his own objectives.
Putin has stated that he initiated the invasion of Ukraine to:
Less publicly, Putin intended to gain control over Ukraine’s natural gas reserves, to prevent competition with Russia’s gas sales. FAILED: Russia does not have control of the Kharkiv oblast/province, which has by far the largest of the gas resources, and was not even one of the oblasts that Putin asked to have ceded to him in his recent bullshit ‘peace proposal’.
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How’s Putin?
Well, if Ukraine is not winning, according to some people, neither is Putin feeling all that triumphant, according to his own objectives.
Putin has stated that he initiated the invasion of Ukraine to:
- ’denazify’ Ukraine by eliminating the incumbent government, and replacing it with one of his creation and liking. FAILED: almost 2 1/2 years later, that government remains in office.
- reduce the ‘threat’ posed to Russia by NATO by preventing Ukraine joining NATO. FAILED: Sweden has been added to NATO, which might have never happened had Putin not invaded Ukraine. Finland has also joined NATO, which brings NATO right up to a 1,340 km border with Russia which was not previously a ‘NATO’ border.
- ’restore’ to Russia territory which was ‘always part of Russia’. FAILED: after 29 months of fighting, Russia has ‘regained’ only 20% of Ukraine, and even Putin seems to be seriously considering giving up thefight.
Less publicly, Putin intended to gain control over Ukraine’s natural gas reserves, to prevent competition with Russia’s gas sales. FAILED: Russia does not have control of the Kharkiv oblast/province, which has by far the largest of the gas resources, and was not even one of the oblasts that Putin asked to have ceded to him in his recent bullshit ‘peace proposal’.
Putin seems to be into MRGA and that can mean anything really, pinning for the proper Cold Wars days were they and the USA were top dogs
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
How’s Putin?
Well, if Ukraine is not winning, according to some people, neither is Putin feeling all that triumphant, according to his own objectives.
Putin has stated that he initiated the invasion of Ukraine to:
- ’denazify’ Ukraine by eliminating the incumbent government, and replacing it with one of his creation and liking. FAILED: almost 2 1/2 years later, that government remains in office.
- reduce the ‘threat’ posed to Russia by NATO by preventing Ukraine joining NATO. FAILED: Sweden has been added to NATO, which might have never happened had Putin not invaded Ukraine. Finland has also joined NATO, which brings NATO right up to a 1,340 km border with Russia which was not previously a ‘NATO’ border.
- ’restore’ to Russia territory which was ‘always part of Russia’. FAILED: after 29 months of fighting, Russia has ‘regained’ only 20% of Ukraine, and even Putin seems to be seriously considering giving up thefight.
Less publicly, Putin intended to gain control over Ukraine’s natural gas reserves, to prevent competition with Russia’s gas sales. FAILED: Russia does not have control of the Kharkiv oblast/province, which has by far the largest of the gas resources, and was not even one of the oblasts that Putin asked to have ceded to him in his recent bullshit ‘peace proposal’.
Putin seems to be into MRGA and that can mean anything really, pinning for the proper Cold Wars days were they and the USA were top dogs
It’s a line of persuasion used by all dictators: to claim that their aim is to restore their nation to a time when they were top-level players, had their own empire. When they were ‘respected’, big-time operators, on the top shelf.
The astonishing thing is that their populations seem to always be ready to fall for it, and expend vast amounts of blood and treasure on it.
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (as of June 16, 2024) The main thing:
Over the course of a day, the central grouping of troops improved the tactical situation and defeated formations of four brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces;
— Units of the Central Group of the Russian Armed Forces repelled four counterattacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in one day;
— The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 375 military personnel in the area of responsibility of the Central Group of the Russian Armed Forces;
— The North group of troops repelled three counterattacks, defeated two enemy brigades, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 265 military personnel per day;
— The eastern group of the Russian Armed Forces occupied more advantageous positions within 24 hours and defeated the manpower and equipment of three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine;
— Daily losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the area of responsibility of the Eastern group of the Russian Armed Forces amounted to up to 135 military personnel;
— The “South” group repelled 4 counterattacks, defeated three brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the enemy lost up to 380 military personnel and a Leopard tank;
— The Dnepr group defeated the manpower and equipment of three brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces;
— Ten Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down by air defense systems;
— The losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the zone of responsibility of the Dnepr group amounted to up to 90 military personnel;
— The Russian Armed Forces defeated concentrations of manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 115 regions within 24 hours.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed : 613 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 25,855 unmanned aerial vehicles, 529 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16,352 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,341 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 10,547 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 22613 units of special military
wookiemeister said:
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed : 613 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 25,855 unmanned aerial vehicles, 529 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16,352 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,341 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 10,547 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 22613 units of special military
Impressive.
Nearly as good as the forces of Imperial Japan, which sank the fleets of the US and Allied countries several times over.
Funny thing is, back in 2000, Putin reportedly asked NATO chief George Robertson when NATO would invite Russia to join, and was answered that Russia needed first to apply to join (which Russia never did).
The USSR had actually previously asked, officially, to join NATO, back in 1954. Of course, they were refused, but that was entirely expected, and used as the justification for them to initiatetheir own, opposing, security alliance, the Warsaw Pact.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed : 613 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 25,855 unmanned aerial vehicles, 529 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16,352 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,341 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 10,547 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 22613 units of special military
Impressive.
Nearly as good as the forces of Imperial Japan, which sank the fleets of the US and Allied countries several times over.
Unlike Australia which has struggled to create ONE weapons system since last century, something apparently lost on Canberra and its military that obviously never studied how Russia destroyed Napoleon and Hitler. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they had nuked Moscow after the defeat of nazi Germany.
Russia builds rockets
Australia creates the Ministry for men run by the Karens and imports 1.5 million immigrants throwing its own people on the street.
What we have is an idiocy crisis in Australia.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed : 613 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 25,855 unmanned aerial vehicles, 529 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16,352 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,341 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 10,547 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 22613 units of special military
Impressive.
Nearly as good as the forces of Imperial Japan, which sank the fleets of the US and Allied countries several times over.
Unlike imperial japan the more tanks, missiles, shells, subs, ships soldiers and bullets will be comingUnlike Australia which has struggled to create ONE weapons system since last century, something apparently lost on Canberra and its military that obviously never studied how Russia destroyed Napoleon and Hitler. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they had nuked Moscow after the defeat of nazi Germany.
My declarations of Putin’s failures rest on facts which are entirely self-evident to anyone who has the vaguest inkling of what’s been going on iin Ukraine and Moscow for 2.5 years.
The claims which you havereported rest completely on the dubious veracity of reports by the Russian military and media.
I do agree that Australia has not done a lot of defence technology development lately, particularly in the more sexy front-line whizz-bang line of things, but there is work going on. And, we must allow for the fact that, if other nations (e.g. U.S., U.K., France, Germany) have developed weapons and systems which are of use to us, then it’s an expensive and unnecessary ego trip to merely re-invent the wheel.
wookiemeister said:
Russia builds rocketsAustralia creates the Ministry for men run by the Karens and imports 1.5 million immigrants throwing its own people on the street.
What we have is an idiocy crisis in Australia.
This is the equivalent of throwing a flash-bang, and saying ‘hey, look at this instead’.
They will begin to fine Ukrainians for very noisy generators
They will start with a verbal warning, and then issue a fine of 510 hryvnia.
The permissible noise level has also been established. During the day it is 70 dB, at night – 60 dB.
Against this background, the head of Ukrenergo Kudrytsky warned that in the next month and a half the situation in the energy system will be much worse than it is now.
Original and creative Ukrainian advertisement
People are being encouraged to “invest in the future” by purchasing a coffin.
Ukraine is continuing to mine its western border to stop men from escaping.
The football club of the First League of Ukraine “Druzhba” withdrew from the competition just in case
Club director Igor Degtyarenko explained that he could not ensure the safety of the athletes or give them reservations from mobilization.
“Somewhere the bus will be stopped on the way to training or a game, and the whole team will be issued a summons. What are we going to do with this next?” he asks.
▪️Previously, a 25-year-old player from FC Khust was taken to the military registration and enlistment office straight from the railway station. As the AFU explained, the defense of the country is a priority over football.
wookiemeister said:
They will begin to fine Ukrainians for very noisy generatorsThey will start with a verbal warning, and then issue a fine of 510 hryvnia.
The permissible noise level has also been established. During the day it is 70 dB, at night – 60 dB.
Against this background, the head of Ukrenergo Kudrytsky warned that in the next month and a half the situation in the energy system will be much worse than it is now.
Original and creative Ukrainian advertisement
People are being encouraged to “invest in the future” by purchasing a coffin.
Ukraine is continuing to mine its western border to stop men from escaping.
The football club of the First League of Ukraine “Druzhba” withdrew from the competition just in case
Club director Igor Degtyarenko explained that he could not ensure the safety of the athletes or give them reservations from mobilization.
“Somewhere the bus will be stopped on the way to training or a game, and the whole team will be issued a summons. What are we going to do with this next?” he asks.
▪️Previously, a 25-year-old player from FC Khust was taken to the military registration and enlistment office straight from the railway station. As the AFU explained, the defense of the country is a priority over football.
Poor wookie.
Seems that his rudder has been competely shot away.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Russia builds rocketsAustralia creates the Ministry for men run by the Karens and imports 1.5 million immigrants throwing its own people on the street.
What we have is an idiocy crisis in Australia.
This is the equivalent of throwing a flash-bang, and saying ‘hey, look at this instead’.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
They will begin to fine Ukrainians for very noisy generatorsThey will start with a verbal warning, and then issue a fine of 510 hryvnia.
The permissible noise level has also been established. During the day it is 70 dB, at night – 60 dB.
Against this background, the head of Ukrenergo Kudrytsky warned that in the next month and a half the situation in the energy system will be much worse than it is now.
Original and creative Ukrainian advertisement
People are being encouraged to “invest in the future” by purchasing a coffin.
Ukraine is continuing to mine its western border to stop men from escaping.
The football club of the First League of Ukraine “Druzhba” withdrew from the competition just in case
Club director Igor Degtyarenko explained that he could not ensure the safety of the athletes or give them reservations from mobilization.
“Somewhere the bus will be stopped on the way to training or a game, and the whole team will be issued a summons. What are we going to do with this next?” he asks.
▪️Previously, a 25-year-old player from FC Khust was taken to the military registration and enlistment office straight from the railway station. As the AFU explained, the defense of the country is a priority over football.
Poor wookie.
Seems that his rudder has been competely shot away.
Australia is doomed
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
Ukraine losses.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Russian losses.
https://youtu.be/87×0P5w-KEE?
The man from snowy hydro 2.0
Another doomed project created and managed by your stupid government BILLIONS lost on this project.
JudgeMental said:
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.htmlUkraine losses.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Russian losses.
Send 100,000 soldiers and their DEI hires to the eastern front – see how many come back ( spoiler alert: none)
Send your stupid politicians with them.
Its been watching a train wreck with Australia
Literally fucking stupid
I just tell people to their faces now. It’s frustrating to see another civilisation collapse real time.
anyway thread has gone click happy and I posted what I wanted to.
captain_spalding said:
Funny thing is, back in 2000, Putin reportedly asked NATO chief George Robertson when NATO would invite Russia to join, and was answered that Russia needed first to apply to join (which Russia never did).The USSR had actually previously asked, officially, to join NATO, back in 1954. Of course, they were refused, but that was entirely expected, and used as the justification for them to initiatetheir own, opposing, security alliance, the Warsaw Pact.
Russia is the raison d’être for NATO
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
Funny thing is, back in 2000, Putin reportedly asked NATO chief George Robertson when NATO would invite Russia to join, and was answered that Russia needed first to apply to join (which Russia never did).The USSR had actually previously asked, officially, to join NATO, back in 1954. Of course, they were refused, but that was entirely expected, and used as the justification for them to initiatetheir own, opposing, security alliance, the Warsaw Pact.
Russia is the raison d’être for NATO
Remember when the soviet union and we immediately attacked the middle east ? you might remember this , Australia has been sending weapons, money and soldiers to fight in the middle east and Hills of Afghanistan for THIRTY years and leaving a few years ago.
As I said : name ONE conflict won by Australia since Malaysia?
I’ll be back when uko casualties reaches an extra 10,000 dead
So maybe 2 weeks ?
The total losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces over the past week amounted to up to 13,710 personnel, with 37 Ukrainian soldiers surrendering, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
wookiemeister said:
The total losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces over the past week amounted to up to 13,710 personnel, with 37 Ukrainian soldiers surrendering, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
An unimpeachable source of information, long known for their veracity, independence, and accuracy.
A group strike was carried out, targeting ammunition depots and aviation weapons supplied to the Ukrainian Armed Forces by Western countries, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense report;
Kiev has lost more than 1,800 soldiers during the hostilities, the Russian department specified;
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Russia will do everything to deprive Ukraine of the ability to carry out attacks like the one on the “Raduga” electric substation in Energodar;
The Ukrainian Armed Forces used M26 rockets with cluster warheads for the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system to strike Donetsk for the first time, killing three construction company employees, said Pushilin;
U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Bass, temporarily appointed in place of Nuland, visited Ukraine and discussed the impact of new U.S. assistance with its leadership.
wookiemeister said:
A group strike was carried out, targeting ammunition depots and aviation weapons supplied to the Ukrainian Armed Forces by Western countries, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense report;Kiev has lost more than 1,800 soldiers during the hostilities, the Russian department specified;
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Russia will do everything to deprive Ukraine of the ability to carry out attacks like the one on the “Raduga” electric substation in Energodar;
The Ukrainian Armed Forces used M26 rockets with cluster warheads for the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system to strike Donetsk for the first time, killing three construction company employees, said Pushilin;
U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Bass, temporarily appointed in place of Nuland, visited Ukraine and discussed the impact of new U.S. assistance with its leadership.
Wouldthat be the same Russian Ministry of ‘Defence’ that was under the impression that the Russian military was in such a state of preparedness and efficiency that it could roll over Ukraine from border to border in three days, a week at the outside, boss, no longer? Without the need to commandeer ice-cream vans and furniture trucks from civilian owners, and rail-ship them into Ukraine to meet transport shortages?
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:A group strike was carried out, targeting ammunition depots and aviation weapons supplied to the Ukrainian Armed Forces by Western countries, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense report;Kiev has lost more than 1,800 soldiers during the hostilities, the Russian department specified;
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Russia will do everything to deprive Ukraine of the ability to carry out attacks like the one on the “Raduga” electric substation in Energodar;
The Ukrainian Armed Forces used M26 rockets with cluster warheads for the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system to strike Donetsk for the first time, killing three construction company employees, said Pushilin;
U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Bass, temporarily appointed in place of Nuland, visited Ukraine and discussed the impact of new U.S. assistance with its leadership.
Wouldthat be the same Russian Ministry of ‘Defence’ that was under the impression that the Russian military was in such a state of preparedness and efficiency that it could roll over Ukraine from border to border in three days, a week at the outside, boss, no longer? Without the need to commandeer ice-cream vans and furniture trucks from civilian owners, and rail-ship them into Ukraine to meet transport shortages?
Too busy making badly built houses, making more poor people I guess.
Too be fair NATO had amassed 150,000 troops on the the borders of the breakaway republics. From the russian side its obvious they sat on the fence till the last moment and committed to war. It takes time to kill half a million soldiers, remember these aren’t old people the Australian police like killing on a regular basis – they are armed, organised and prepared.
The soviet union was supplying coal to nazi Germany right up to the stroke of midnight. The last delivery was around midnight and nazi Germany attacked, killing untold numbers of Russian troops and civillians, 4 years later the russian troops were parading in Berlin.
wookiemeister said:
Too be fair NATO had amassed 150,000 troops on the the borders of the breakaway republics. From the russian side its obvious they sat on the fence till the last moment and committed to war. It takes time to kill half a million soldiers, remember these aren’t old people the Australian police like killing on a regular basis – they are armed, organised and prepared.The soviet union was supplying coal to nazi Germany right up to the stroke of midnight. The last delivery was around midnight and nazi Germany attacked, killing untold numbers of Russian troops and civillians, 4 years later the russian troops were parading in Berlin.
That was then, this is now.
Under Stalin, corruption was summarily dealt with. If you were even thought of as having had thoughts at some time that maybe it might be possible to consider the chances of doing something ever so slightly against the interests of ‘the State’ (i.e. Stalin), the best you could hope for was ten years sawing timber in the taiga.
Under Putin, corruption was rewarded to the point where it became the modus operandi of the Russian nation, which led to massive mis-reporting of readiness and efficiency of the Russian military, so that a bunch of hastily-armed and -trained civilians were able to thwart its ambitions.
wookiemeister said:
If its so easy to defeat Russia why does the Australian government not commit troops to easily roll these drivers of ice cream vans?
Too busy making badly built houses, making more poor people I guess.
And there you go again.
Tryingthe non-sequitir ‘look over here’ tactics when confronted with something which embarrasses your point of view.
did it ever work for you? Because it certainly doesn’t work now.
Russian troops have launched a missile strike near a heavy crane factory in Odessa, where a warehouse with Western-made missiles was located, the coordinator of the Nikolaev underground, Sergey Lebedev, said.
Lebedev added that up to ten foreign mercenaries were hit in Odessa near a warehouse with Western-made missiles.
2️⃣3️⃣ June. Key events:
▪️ The Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked Sevastopol with ATACMS missiles. There are fatalities, and over 120 people were injured.
▪️ Putin expressed condolences to the people of Sevastopol in connection with the attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
▪️ Sevastopol declared June 24 a day of mourning following the attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
▪️ Crimea also declared June 24 a day of mourning for those who died in Sevastopol due to the attack.
▪️ The daughter of the deputy mayor of Magadan was killed in the attack on Sevastopol by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
▪️ Patriarch Kirill conducted a festive liturgy at the Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius on the day of the Holy Trinity.
Ukrainians in the Transcarpathian region will no longer be able to buy rubber boats without a military ID (aka military ticket)
As @dillfrash writes, one of the local fishing stores posted a corresponding warning.
It is clarified that this is being done to combat evaders who cross the Tisza in similar boats.
▪️Previously it was reported that without a military ID Ukrainians will now not be able to even register a marriage.
Context: ukraine has now mined sections of the river separating ukraine from other countries, I saw some footage the other day of someone with his foot blown off. Ukraine stops men from leaving ukraine to escape the war so they can be taken to the front to die.
In other news the FAB 3000 has been put into service, remember me talking about these kinds of weapons a few years back. It’s a 3 tonne fuel air bomb – it’s why Australia doesn’t have the balls to send troops to ukraine, they would all be dead fast. The russians have been developing a FAB 10,000 bomb for the grand daddy of FABS. From an efficiency point of view lots of small FAB bombs in an area would kill more people.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Russia builds rocketsAustralia creates the Ministry for men run by the Karens and imports 1.5 million immigrants throwing its own people on the street.
What we have is an idiocy crisis in Australia.
This is the equivalent of throwing a flash-bang, and saying ‘hey, look at this instead’.
Whether Australia contributes to the war on Russia is of no consequence – its already dead.
It was the same with Israel, before the attack by HAMAS israeli government/ law makers had already started the war on men. If HAMAS had simply allowed israeli society to march towards progress for another few years the end for Israel would have come sooner.
wookiemeister said:
Russian troops have launched a missile strike near a heavy crane factory in Odessa, where a warehouse with Western-made missiles was located, the coordinator of the Nikolaev underground, Sergey Lebedev, said.Lebedev added that up to ten foreign mercenaries were hit in Odessa near a warehouse with Western-made missiles.
As the descendant and relative of mercenaries, all i can say is that ‘they knew the job was dangerous when they took it’.
Of course, the definition of ‘mercenary’ in this conflict may be getting applied to a wider range of personnel than the stricter meanings of the word would normally dictate.
At various points in the 1960s, regular Australian Army troops in Vietnam were described as ‘Australian mercenaries’ in NLF propaganda.
For mercenaries (proper ones, that is), the aim is to do the job, get out alive, and collect your money. Not being able to do that is always a risk, which is why the trade exists in the first place.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Russian troops have launched a missile strike near a heavy crane factory in Odessa, where a warehouse with Western-made missiles was located, the coordinator of the Nikolaev underground, Sergey Lebedev, said.Lebedev added that up to ten foreign mercenaries were hit in Odessa near a warehouse with Western-made missiles.
As the descendant and relative of mercenaries, all i can say is that ‘they knew the job was dangerous when they took it’.
Of course, the definition of ‘mercenary’ in this conflict may be getting applied to a wider range of personnel than the stricter meanings of the word would normally dictate.
At various points in the 1960s, regular Australian Army troops in Vietnam were described as ‘Australian mercenaries’ in NLF propaganda.
For mercenaries (proper ones, that is), the aim is to do the job, get out alive, and collect your money. Not being able to do that is always a risk, which is why the trade exists in the first place.
Does the pay make the risk worthwhile?
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Russian troops have launched a missile strike near a heavy crane factory in Odessa, where a warehouse with Western-made missiles was located, the coordinator of the Nikolaev underground, Sergey Lebedev, said.Lebedev added that up to ten foreign mercenaries were hit in Odessa near a warehouse with Western-made missiles.
As the descendant and relative of mercenaries, all i can say is that ‘they knew the job was dangerous when they took it’.
Of course, the definition of ‘mercenary’ in this conflict may be getting applied to a wider range of personnel than the stricter meanings of the word would normally dictate.
At various points in the 1960s, regular Australian Army troops in Vietnam were described as ‘Australian mercenaries’ in NLF propaganda.
For mercenaries (proper ones, that is), the aim is to do the job, get out alive, and collect your money. Not being able to do that is always a risk, which is why the trade exists in the first place.
Does the pay make the risk worthwhile?
do you get the chance to loot and plunder?
party_pants said:
Michael V said:
captain_spalding said:As the descendant and relative of mercenaries, all i can say is that ‘they knew the job was dangerous when they took it’.
Of course, the definition of ‘mercenary’ in this conflict may be getting applied to a wider range of personnel than the stricter meanings of the word would normally dictate.
At various points in the 1960s, regular Australian Army troops in Vietnam were described as ‘Australian mercenaries’ in NLF propaganda.
For mercenaries (proper ones, that is), the aim is to do the job, get out alive, and collect your money. Not being able to do that is always a risk, which is why the trade exists in the first place.
Does the pay make the risk worthwhile?
do you get the chance to loot and plunder?
The pay is, with a reputable ‘firm’, pretty good. Good enough for people to make a career out of it. Proper firms also provide life-insurance, so that if you don’t come back, your family isn’t left high and dry.
Loot and plunder is discouraged by the reputable teams. You’re there to do a job, for which you’re being paid quite well enough. Looting and plundering tends to give you a bad name among the locals, and you may have to depend on them for intel, and even for direct assistance, medical help, and concealment, if it goes pear-shaped. So, you don’t want to piss them off more than you have to.
Of course, ‘dregs’ outfits like Wagner are another story altogether.
captain_spalding said:
party_pants said:
Michael V said:Does the pay make the risk worthwhile?
do you get the chance to loot and plunder?
The pay is, with a reputable ‘firm’, pretty good. Good enough for people to make a career out of it. Proper firms also provide life-insurance, so that if you don’t come back, your family isn’t left high and dry.
Loot and plunder is discouraged by the reputable teams. You’re there to do a job, for which you’re being paid quite well enough. Looting and plundering tends to give you a bad name among the locals, and you may have to depend on them for intel, and even for direct assistance, medical help, and concealment, if it goes pear-shaped. So, you don’t want to piss them off more than you have to.
Of course, ‘dregs’ outfits like Wagner are another story altogether.
Interesting. Thanks.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Russian troops have launched a missile strike near a heavy crane factory in Odessa, where a warehouse with Western-made missiles was located, the coordinator of the Nikolaev underground, Sergey Lebedev, said.Lebedev added that up to ten foreign mercenaries were hit in Odessa near a warehouse with Western-made missiles.
As the descendant and relative of mercenaries, all i can say is that ‘they knew the job was dangerous when they took it’.
Of course, the definition of ‘mercenary’ in this conflict may be getting applied to a wider range of personnel than the stricter meanings of the word would normally dictate.
At various points in the 1960s, regular Australian Army troops in Vietnam were described as ‘Australian mercenaries’ in NLF propaganda.
For mercenaries (proper ones, that is), the aim is to do the job, get out alive, and collect your money. Not being able to do that is always a risk, which is why the trade exists in the first place.
You seem to have a somewhat romantic idea of those who are in actuality simply a murderer for hire. No different from a mob enforcer or bikie goon,
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2024/06/18/missouri-student-riley-strain-autopsy-report-accidental-drowning-intoxicated-nashville/74135549007/
Witty Rejoinder said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Russian troops have launched a missile strike near a heavy crane factory in Odessa, where a warehouse with Western-made missiles was located, the coordinator of the Nikolaev underground, Sergey Lebedev, said.Lebedev added that up to ten foreign mercenaries were hit in Odessa near a warehouse with Western-made missiles.
As the descendant and relative of mercenaries, all i can say is that ‘they knew the job was dangerous when they took it’.
Of course, the definition of ‘mercenary’ in this conflict may be getting applied to a wider range of personnel than the stricter meanings of the word would normally dictate.
At various points in the 1960s, regular Australian Army troops in Vietnam were described as ‘Australian mercenaries’ in NLF propaganda.
For mercenaries (proper ones, that is), the aim is to do the job, get out alive, and collect your money. Not being able to do that is always a risk, which is why the trade exists in the first place.
You seem to have a somewhat romantic idea of those who are in actuality simply a murderer for hire. No different from a mob enforcer or bikie goon,
Did i say they are?
It’s a dirty, filthy business, but, as i say, it pays ok, there’s a market for it, and there’s people who are good at it.
You don’t get medals for it, you don’t get celebrated for it, you usually don’t get thanked for it.
You take the money, because it’s what you do. It’s business.
Update for last 24hrs
FAB3000 now in service
Ukrainian forces lose 2000 plus
Russian forces advance on all fronts
Ukrainian forces attack a Russian beach killing / Injuring 200 (?)
wookiemeister said:
Update for last 24hrsFAB3000 now in service
Ukrainian forces lose 2000 plus
Russian forces advance on all fronts
Ukrainian forces attack a Russian beach killing / Injuring 200 (?)
Russians have any casualties?
wookiemeister said:
Ukrainian forces attack a Russian beach killing / Injuring 200 (?)
None of the following is meant to excuse, justify, or diminish the tragedy of civilian deaths in war, in Ukraine, and in general.
The deaths of civilians, including children, Russian, Ukrainian, any nationality, in war is always a horrible thing to contemplate, and this occasion is no exception.
But, your phrasing of this is clearly meant to be vague about the toll of the incident, trying to suggest that dozens, if not scores, of people might have been killed.
To quote the most recent report from Russia’s TASS news agency (https://tass.com/society/1807607): “According to Sevastopol governor, Mikhail Pazvozhayev, four people, including two children, were killed and more than 150 others were wounded.”
(Ukrainian news agency UkrInfo quotes a Radio Svoboda broadcast (https://www.svoboda.org/a/v-sevastopole-posle-raketnogo-udara-raneny-desyatki-chelovek-troe-pogibli/33005778.html): “By data of the Russian Ministry of Health, 144 people applied for medical help, 82 of them were hospitalized. The condition of 13 victims is assessed as severe. Local residents report that an air strike alert system did not work before the attack.”)
A terrible toll among civilians at a beach on a hot day. But, 150 casualties were claimed, not 200 as you reported. FOUR people were killed, according to Russia itself. That’s four too many, but it provides perspective which your remark tried to avoid.
To quote from the same TASS report: “Ukraine attacked civilian infrastructure in Sevastopol using ATACMS tactical missiles carrying cluster munitions on June 23. Four missiles were shot down, while another one exploded over the city.”
‘Four missiles were shot down’. You know, when something is ‘shot down’, there’s wreckage, and it falls to the ground. Think of WW2: all of those Heinkels, and Dorniers, and B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters, Halifaxes, they didn’t all crash into open fields and into the sea. As then, so now. Falling wreckage kills people. It’s awful, but it’s a fact.
“Ukraine attacked civilian infrastructure”. Maybe that’s where they were targeted. Maybe not. One missile got through, presumably to its designated target. Where did it land? No comment on that from any Russian ministry or news outlet.
“Exploded over the city”. Really? What do they mean by ‘the city’? A suburb? The CBD? A military airfield? The naval dockyard? Pretty vague, that.
It’s an awful, horrible thing, but there’s a lot of unknowns about it, we’ve not got all of the information, and vaguely-worded remarks meant to inspire uninformed speculation don’t help at all.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Ukrainian forces attack a Russian beach killing / Injuring 200 (?)
None of the following is meant to excuse, justify, or diminish the tragedy of civilian deaths in war, in Ukraine, and in general.
The deaths of civilians, including children, Russian, Ukrainian, any nationality, in war is always a horrible thing to contemplate, and this occasion is no exception.
But, your phrasing of this is clearly meant to be vague about the toll of the incident, trying to suggest that dozens, if not scores, of people might have been killed.
To quote the most recent report from Russia’s TASS news agency (https://tass.com/society/1807607): “According to Sevastopol governor, Mikhail Pazvozhayev, four people, including two children, were killed and more than 150 others were wounded.”
(Ukrainian news agency UkrInfo quotes a Radio Svoboda broadcast (https://www.svoboda.org/a/v-sevastopole-posle-raketnogo-udara-raneny-desyatki-chelovek-troe-pogibli/33005778.html): “By data of the Russian Ministry of Health, 144 people applied for medical help, 82 of them were hospitalized. The condition of 13 victims is assessed as severe. Local residents report that an air strike alert system did not work before the attack.”)
A terrible toll among civilians at a beach on a hot day. But, 150 casualties were claimed, not 200 as you reported. FOUR people were killed, according to Russia itself. That’s four too many, but it provides perspective which your remark tried to avoid.
To quote from the same TASS report: “Ukraine attacked civilian infrastructure in Sevastopol using ATACMS tactical missiles carrying cluster munitions on June 23. Four missiles were shot down, while another one exploded over the city.”
‘Four missiles were shot down’. You know, when something is ‘shot down’, there’s wreckage, and it falls to the ground. Think of WW2: all of those Heinkels, and Dorniers, and B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters, Halifaxes, they didn’t all crash into open fields and into the sea. As then, so now. Falling wreckage kills people. It’s awful, but it’s a fact.
“Ukraine attacked civilian infrastructure”. Maybe that’s where they were targeted. Maybe not. One missile got through, presumably to its designated target. Where did it land? No comment on that from any Russian ministry or news outlet.
“Exploded over the city”. Really? What do they mean by ‘the city’? A suburb? The CBD? A military airfield? The naval dockyard? Pretty vague, that.
It’s an awful, horrible thing, but there’s a lot of unknowns about it, we’ve not got all of the information, and vaguely-worded remarks meant to inspire uninformed speculation don’t help at all.
One suggestion I’ve seen is uko forces deliberately came over the beach on the way to an airfield – defence batteries then would the forced to try and hit the missiles near / over the beach OR just allow themselves to be hit.
Interesting bit about the FAB 3000, original comments claimed the FABs were missing their target. Not so. By detonating the FAB outside of a building the pressure wave has a bigger kill radius. The pressure wave hits nearby buildings and then buildings before that – killing everything in its way.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Ukrainian forces attack a Russian beach killing / Injuring 200 (?)
None of the following is meant to excuse, justify, or diminish the tragedy of civilian deaths in war, in Ukraine, and in general.
The deaths of civilians, including children, Russian, Ukrainian, any nationality, in war is always a horrible thing to contemplate, and this occasion is no exception.
But, your phrasing of this is clearly meant to be vague about the toll of the incident, trying to suggest that dozens, if not scores, of people might have been killed.
To quote the most recent report from Russia’s TASS news agency (https://tass.com/society/1807607): “According to Sevastopol governor, Mikhail Pazvozhayev, four people, including two children, were killed and more than 150 others were wounded.”
(Ukrainian news agency UkrInfo quotes a Radio Svoboda broadcast (https://www.svoboda.org/a/v-sevastopole-posle-raketnogo-udara-raneny-desyatki-chelovek-troe-pogibli/33005778.html): “By data of the Russian Ministry of Health, 144 people applied for medical help, 82 of them were hospitalized. The condition of 13 victims is assessed as severe. Local residents report that an air strike alert system did not work before the attack.”)
A terrible toll among civilians at a beach on a hot day. But, 150 casualties were claimed, not 200 as you reported. FOUR people were killed, according to Russia itself. That’s four too many, but it provides perspective which your remark tried to avoid.
To quote from the same TASS report: “Ukraine attacked civilian infrastructure in Sevastopol using ATACMS tactical missiles carrying cluster munitions on June 23. Four missiles were shot down, while another one exploded over the city.”
‘Four missiles were shot down’. You know, when something is ‘shot down’, there’s wreckage, and it falls to the ground. Think of WW2: all of those Heinkels, and Dorniers, and B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters, Halifaxes, they didn’t all crash into open fields and into the sea. As then, so now. Falling wreckage kills people. It’s awful, but it’s a fact.
“Ukraine attacked civilian infrastructure”. Maybe that’s where they were targeted. Maybe not. One missile got through, presumably to its designated target. Where did it land? No comment on that from any Russian ministry or news outlet.
“Exploded over the city”. Really? What do they mean by ‘the city’? A suburb? The CBD? A military airfield? The naval dockyard? Pretty vague, that.
It’s an awful, horrible thing, but there’s a lot of unknowns about it, we’ve not got all of the information, and vaguely-worded remarks meant to inspire uninformed speculation don’t help at all.
Initial reports quoted 200
No doubt figures will change as the days go byOne suggestion I’ve seen is uko forces deliberately came over the beach on the way to an airfield – defence batteries then would the forced to try and hit the missiles near / over the beach OR just allow themselves to be hit.
Interesting bit about the FAB 3000, original comments claimed the FABs were missing their target. Not so. By detonating the FAB outside of a building the pressure wave has a bigger kill radius. The pressure wave hits nearby buildings and then buildings before that – killing everything in its way.
This says everything you need to know:
“Russia’s Defense Ministry claimed that four US Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles were shot down mid-air over Crimea, and that one released its bomblets, killing and wounding the beachgoers.”
I find it it strange that supporters of Russia are so quick to blame Ukraine for an accident such as this, but are silent over the deliberate targeting of hospitals, apartment buildings, concert halls being used as civilian bomb shelters and civilian funerals.
I have no sympathy for idiots who holiday in an active war zone.
Dark Orange said:
I find it it strange that supporters of Russia are so quick to blame Ukraine for an accident such as this, but are silent over the deliberate targeting of hospitals, apartment buildings, concert halls being used as civilian bomb shelters and civilian funerals.
I have no sympathy for idiots who holiday in an active war zone.
That’s why i didn’t dismiss the Russian accusations of the missiles being targeted at civilian infrastructure out of hand.
Goodness knows, when it comes to attacks on civilian populations/infrastructure, they know what they’re talking about.
And maybe the victims weren’t all tourists. People live in Crimea, most of them from before the Russian takeover, and people everywhere tend to go to local beaches on hot days.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I find it it strange that supporters of Russia are so quick to blame Ukraine for an accident such as this, but are silent over the deliberate targeting of hospitals, apartment buildings, concert halls being used as civilian bomb shelters and civilian funerals.
I have no sympathy for idiots who holiday in an active war zone.
That’s why i didn’t dismiss the Russian accusations of the missiles being targeted at civilian infrastructure out of hand.
Goodness knows, when it comes to attacks on civilian populations/infrastructure, they know what they’re talking about.
And maybe the victims weren’t all tourists. People live in Crimea, most of them from before the Russian takeover, and people everywhere tend to go to local beaches on hot days.
Ukraine has gone to a lot of effort to minimise civilian casualties, if this were deliberate then it would be the first non-military target the Ukes have hit.
And unsure if it has been mentioned, Russia has four facilities for their space communications. One of them is (was) in Crimea and was apparently high on the list of reasons to take Crimea in the first place. While its contribution to the war effort would be minimal at best, it did not stop the Ukes throwing quite a few valuable ATACMS at it.
This is the first target that I can remember that did not have potential tactical or strategic value. It /may/ have been used for retrieving satellite imagery, they have three others to do that. I wonder if this was destroyed to lower the value of Ukraine to Russia in an attempt to encourage them to reconsider their need for the place, or just a simple expensive “Fuck You”?
We’ll probably never know, but I do like the Ukrainians’ style. :)
wookiemeister said:
Interesting bit about the FAB 3000, original comments claimed the FABs were missing their target. Not so. By detonating the FAB outside of a building the pressure wave has a bigger kill radius. The pressure wave hits nearby buildings and then buildings before that – killing everything in its way.
The FAB3000 dates from 1946, and the only aircraft that can carry it is the 1960s-era Tupolev Tu-22 ‘Blinder’ strategic bomber (there’s smaller versions, FAB1500 and FAB500, of which you might see pictures of them being dropped by Su-27s and similar).
Frankly, i’d thought that all the Tu-22s went to the boneyard a long time ago, but it seems that this is not the case. I’m not sure if their popularity among ground crews has anything to do with that. You see, they carry 450 litres of pure grain alcohol for use in their de-icing system. This makes them a favourite among the erks of the VVS.
Bombs don’t have to be as big as FAB3000s to do significant and widespread pressure-wave damage (after all, that’s how all bombs work).
There’s an excellent short TV series hosted by Tony Robinson about the effects of German WW2 bombs on a British street: ‘Blitz Street’. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0v2Uq8z7aI).
You’ll see what i mean in that series.
Dark Orange said:
Ukraine has gone to a lot of effort to minimise civilian casualties, if this were deliberate then it would be the first non-military target the Ukes have hit.
I doubt very much that the beach was the intended target.
ATACMS missiles cost $US 1.5 million each. That’s a hefty price tag to put on killing and terrorising a few beachgoers. If, as the Russians claim, there was five missiles launched, then that’s $7.5 million just to ruin some peoples’ day at the beach. Better uses on the list, i’m sure.
They may have been targeted at ‘civilian infrastructure’ but, as the Russians would have to admit after making many similar attacks, ‘civilian’ infrastructure is often also ‘military’ infrastructure.
For instance, if the power station is generating electricity for civilian needs, it’s also quite likely generating power for the military. Radar installations, dockyards, military manufacturers aren’t running on steam power, or some bloke pedalling a generator.
If these missiles had cluster-bomb warheads, then their most likely mission was denial of use of facilities. Explode five missiles over the Sevastopol dockyard, scattering anti-personnel mines hither and yon, and that’s going to severely impact the yard’s functioning for quite a while. No-one’s going to be moving around the yard, or shifting things, and making a lot of noise/vibration in a casual manner.
If they were explode -on-contact munitions, then they’d be great for targeting a vehicle park, barracks/training areas, airfields where there’s aircraft not protected by hardened aircraft shelters, things like that.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Ukraine has gone to a lot of effort to minimise civilian casualties, if this were deliberate then it would be the first non-military target the Ukes have hit.
I doubt very much that the beach was the intended target.
ATACMS missiles cost $US 1.5 million each. That’s a hefty price tag to put on killing and terrorising a few beachgoers. If, as the Russians claim, there was five missiles launched, then that’s $7.5 million just to ruin some peoples’ day at the beach. Better uses on the list, i’m sure.
They may have been targeted at ‘civilian infrastructure’ but, as the Russians would have to admit after making many similar attacks, ‘civilian’ infrastructure is often also ‘military’ infrastructure.
For instance, if the power station is generating electricity for civilian needs, it’s also quite likely generating power for the military. Radar installations, dockyards, military manufacturers aren’t running on steam power, or some bloke pedalling a generator.
If these missiles had cluster-bomb warheads, then their most likely mission was denial of use of facilities. Explode five missiles over the Sevastopol dockyard, scattering anti-personnel mines hither and yon, and that’s going to severely impact the yard’s functioning for quite a while. No-one’s going to be moving around the yard, or shifting things, and making a lot of noise/vibration in a casual manner.
If they were explode -on-contact munitions, then they’d be great for targeting a vehicle park, barracks/training areas, airfields where there’s aircraft not protected by hardened aircraft shelters, things like that.
Stands to reason. The Russians have been hitting all of Ukraines power infrastructure.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Interesting bit about the FAB 3000, original comments claimed the FABs were missing their target. Not so. By detonating the FAB outside of a building the pressure wave has a bigger kill radius. The pressure wave hits nearby buildings and then buildings before that – killing everything in its way.
The FAB3000 dates from 1946, and the only aircraft that can carry it is the 1960s-era Tupolev Tu-22 ‘Blinder’ strategic bomber (there’s smaller versions, FAB1500 and FAB500, of which you might see pictures of them being dropped by Su-27s and similar).
Frankly, i’d thought that all the Tu-22s went to the boneyard a long time ago, but it seems that this is not the case. I’m not sure if their popularity among ground crews has anything to do with that. You see, they carry 450 litres of pure grain alcohol for use in their de-icing system. This makes them a favourite among the erks of the VVS.
Bombs don’t have to be as big as FAB3000s to do significant and widespread pressure-wave damage (after all, that’s how all bombs work).
There’s an excellent short TV series hosted by Tony Robinson about the effects of German WW2 bombs on a British street: ‘Blitz Street’. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0v2Uq8z7aI).
You’ll see what i mean in that series.
The Russians are too smart to put their dwindling supply of aircraft in harm’s way, so they are relying more on converting their bombs to glide bombs, allowing them to be released well out of range of Ukrainian air defences. The bigger the bang, the less accurate bombs have to be which is why the Russians have increased their manufacture of FAB3000 bombs and just using them on the front lines. (Fortunately they can’t get close enough to use them on Ukrainian hospitals)
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Ukraine has gone to a lot of effort to minimise civilian casualties, if this were deliberate then it would be the first non-military target the Ukes have hit.
I doubt very much that the beach was the intended target.
ATACMS missiles cost $US 1.5 million each. That’s a hefty price tag to put on killing and terrorising a few beachgoers. If, as the Russians claim, there was five missiles launched, then that’s $7.5 million just to ruin some peoples’ day at the beach. Better uses on the list, i’m sure.
They may have been targeted at ‘civilian infrastructure’ but, as the Russians would have to admit after making many similar attacks, ‘civilian’ infrastructure is often also ‘military’ infrastructure.
For instance, if the power station is generating electricity for civilian needs, it’s also quite likely generating power for the military. Radar installations, dockyards, military manufacturers aren’t running on steam power, or some bloke pedalling a generator.
If these missiles had cluster-bomb warheads, then their most likely mission was denial of use of facilities. Explode five missiles over the Sevastopol dockyard, scattering anti-personnel mines hither and yon, and that’s going to severely impact the yard’s functioning for quite a while. No-one’s going to be moving around the yard, or shifting things, and making a lot of noise/vibration in a casual manner.
If they were explode -on-contact munitions, then they’d be great for targeting a vehicle park, barracks/training areas, airfields where there’s aircraft not protected by hardened aircraft shelters, things like that.
This particular missile was of the cluster type. And the US have placed heavy restrictions on the use of their ATACMS (to the point I believe where every target needs US approval) and a beach full of Russians would be frowned upon and jeopardise the future supply.
And I agree there is a strong argument for electrical infrastructure being a legitimate strategic target, but the Ukes have largely left the Russian infrastructure alone.
Just heard Assange is out
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Ukraine has gone to a lot of effort to minimise civilian casualties, if this were deliberate then it would be the first non-military target the Ukes have hit.
I doubt very much that the beach was the intended target.
ATACMS missiles cost $US 1.5 million each. That’s a hefty price tag to put on killing and terrorising a few beachgoers. If, as the Russians claim, there was five missiles launched, then that’s $7.5 million just to ruin some peoples’ day at the beach. Better uses on the list, i’m sure.
They may have been targeted at ‘civilian infrastructure’ but, as the Russians would have to admit after making many similar attacks, ‘civilian’ infrastructure is often also ‘military’ infrastructure.
For instance, if the power station is generating electricity for civilian needs, it’s also quite likely generating power for the military. Radar installations, dockyards, military manufacturers aren’t running on steam power, or some bloke pedalling a generator.
If these missiles had cluster-bomb warheads, then their most likely mission was denial of use of facilities. Explode five missiles over the Sevastopol dockyard, scattering anti-personnel mines hither and yon, and that’s going to severely impact the yard’s functioning for quite a while. No-one’s going to be moving around the yard, or shifting things, and making a lot of noise/vibration in a casual manner.
If they were explode -on-contact munitions, then they’d be great for targeting a vehicle park, barracks/training areas, airfields where there’s aircraft not protected by hardened aircraft shelters, things like that.
This particular missile was of the cluster type. And the US have placed heavy restrictions on the use of their ATACMS (to the point I believe where every target needs US approval) and a beach full of Russians would be frowned upon and jeopardise the future supply.
And I agree there is a strong argument for electrical infrastructure being a legitimate strategic target, but the Ukes have largely left the Russian infrastructure alone.
Like if you were wanting to hurt the police indirectly you take out doughnut shops them being civilian use also
wookiemeister said:
Just heard Assange is out
..and off to the pub? I would be.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Just heard Assange is out
..and off to the pub? I would be.
Probably see if he has his job at Grace Brothers still
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Just heard Assange is out
..and off to the pub? I would be.
Probably see if he has his job at Grace Brothers still
‘Are you free, Mr. Assange?’
(looks around queruously)
‘Why, yes, i AM free!’
26/6/24
▪️ Russian units have inflicted significant losses on the enemy across various fronts, taken more advantageous positions, improved their tactical stance, and repelled 11 counterattacks, resulting in over 1,800 Ukrainian soldiers killed, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
▪️ Aviation and artillery, along with drones, destroyed three American HIMARS rocket launchers, a transport-loading machine, and foreign specialists who were operating them, the Ministry of Defense added.
▪️ A company of the Sevastopol militia has gone into operational readiness after Kiev launched an ATACMS missile attack on a beach, reported company commander Alexander Sinyavsky
▪️ A radiation monitoring post in Velyka Znamenka, Zaporozhye region, was completely destroyed by shelling from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the press service of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant reported.
▪️ Britain has asked France to refrain from escalating the situation in Ukraine amid statements about possible troop deployments, said Foreign Minister Cameron to Russian pranksters.
▪️ NATO has confirmed Rutte as the next Secretary General of the alliance. The head of the State Duma Defense Committee, Kartapolov, told that NATO’s policy towards Russia will remain unchanged with this appointment.
wookiemeister said:
26/6/24▪️ Russian units have inflicted significant losses on the enemy across various fronts, taken more advantageous positions, improved their tactical stance, and repelled 11 counterattacks, resulting in over 1,800 Ukrainian soldiers killed, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
▪️ Aviation and artillery, along with drones, destroyed three American HIMARS rocket launchers, a transport-loading machine, and foreign specialists who were operating them, the Ministry of Defense added.
▪️ A company of the Sevastopol militia has gone into operational readiness after Kiev launched an ATACMS missile attack on a beach, reported company commander Alexander Sinyavsky
▪️ A radiation monitoring post in Velyka Znamenka, Zaporozhye region, was completely destroyed by shelling from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the press service of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant reported.
▪️ Britain has asked France to refrain from escalating the situation in Ukraine amid statements about possible troop deployments, said Foreign Minister Cameron to Russian pranksters.
▪️ NATO has confirmed Rutte as the next Secretary General of the alliance. The head of the State Duma Defense Committee, Kartapolov, told that NATO’s policy towards Russia will remain unchanged with this appointment.
“▪️ A company of the Sevastopol militia has gone into operational readiness after Kiev launched an ATACMS missile attack on a beach, reported company commander Alexander Sinyavsky”
Three questions: why would the Ukrainians expend $7.5 million dollars worth of expensive, advanced, accurate, and not-very-easy-to-replace missiles on attacking a beach which has no military installations or significance? I’m not saying that such was not theit intention, but i would be interested in what might be thought to be their motivation.
Secondly, would the more likely explanation not be that those unfortunate people were killed and injured by the wreckage of the four such missiles that the Russians claim to have intercepted as part of this attack and response, while those missiles were overflying the beach on their way to more useful targets?
Thirdly, just WTF is a company of Sevastopol militia supposed to do about attacks by advanced longer-range missiles? Try to shoot them down with AK-12 rifles? Shake their fists at them?
“▪️ Russian units have inflicted significant losses on the enemy across various fronts, taken more advantageous positions, improved their tactical stance, and repelled 11 counterattacks, resulting in over 1,800 Ukrainian soldiers killed, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.”
This would be just what Putin likes to hear. It’s the sort of thing that leaders of that type like to hear.
Even as German armies were fighting Americans and British and French and Russians, on German soil, suffering large losses and ievitably falling back, Himmler would greet Hitler with something like ‘Good morning, Furhrer, i’m pleased to announce that we are advancing on all fronts, and a new division has been established’.
Made Adolf a lot easier to get on with in the mornings, and there’d be plenty of other people telling him the less palatable truth throughout the day.
North Korea offers to send 100,000 troops to ukraine
Presumably they’ll bring towed artillery and millions of shells to bombard the front lines/ logistics routes.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
26/6/24▪️ Russian units have inflicted significant losses on the enemy across various fronts, taken more advantageous positions, improved their tactical stance, and repelled 11 counterattacks, resulting in over 1,800 Ukrainian soldiers killed, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
▪️ Aviation and artillery, along with drones, destroyed three American HIMARS rocket launchers, a transport-loading machine, and foreign specialists who were operating them, the Ministry of Defense added.
▪️ A company of the Sevastopol militia has gone into operational readiness after Kiev launched an ATACMS missile attack on a beach, reported company commander Alexander Sinyavsky
▪️ A radiation monitoring post in Velyka Znamenka, Zaporozhye region, was completely destroyed by shelling from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the press service of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant reported.
▪️ Britain has asked France to refrain from escalating the situation in Ukraine amid statements about possible troop deployments, said Foreign Minister Cameron to Russian pranksters.
▪️ NATO has confirmed Rutte as the next Secretary General of the alliance. The head of the State Duma Defense Committee, Kartapolov, told that NATO’s policy towards Russia will remain unchanged with this appointment.
“▪️ A company of the Sevastopol militia has gone into operational readiness after Kiev launched an ATACMS missile attack on a beach, reported company commander Alexander Sinyavsky”
Three questions: why would the Ukrainians expend $7.5 million dollars worth of expensive, advanced, accurate, and not-very-easy-to-replace missiles on attacking a beach which has no military installations or significance? I’m not saying that such was not theit intention, but i would be interested in what might be thought to be their motivation.
Secondly, would the more likely explanation not be that those unfortunate people were killed and injured by the wreckage of the four such missiles that the Russians claim to have intercepted as part of this attack and response, while those missiles were overflying the beach on their way to more useful targets?
Thirdly, just WTF is a company of Sevastopol militia supposed to do about attacks by advanced longer-range missiles? Try to shoot them down with AK-12 rifles? Shake their fists at them?
Who knows what these militia do
wookiemeister said:
North Korea offers to send 100,000 troops to ukrainePresumably they’ll bring towed artillery and millions of shells to bombard the front lines/ logistics routes.
Oh, so it’s OK for NK to send a whole army to Ukraine, but it would be a frightful transgression if and Western, or Western-aligned, nation sent so much as a troop of Brownies to make tea?
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
North Korea offers to send 100,000 troops to ukrainePresumably they’ll bring towed artillery and millions of shells to bombard the front lines/ logistics routes.
Oh, so it’s OK for NK to send a whole army to Ukraine, but it would be a frightful transgression if and Western, or Western-aligned, nation sent so much as a troop of Brownies to make tea?
Australia – the stupid country
wookiemeister said:
Who knows what these militia do
Stay off the beach, for one thing.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
North Korea offers to send 100,000 troops to ukrainePresumably they’ll bring towed artillery and millions of shells to bombard the front lines/ logistics routes.
Oh, so it’s OK for NK to send a whole army to Ukraine, but it would be a frightful transgression if and Western, or Western-aligned, nation sent so much as a troop of Brownies to make tea?
Bring it on I say. If NATO and Australia wants to commit troops bring it on I say. I’ve always encouraged Australia to send hundreds of thousands of troops to ukraine – for freedom, right ? We can add it to the Stella line up of military success. Australia could easily lose a few hundred thousand on the eastern front. It woukd ease the demand for rental property and let’s face it, it’s unlikely they’d be able to buy a house so with millions being brought in its only right to make a bit of room for new people.Australia – the stupid country
‘Stellar’.
‘Stella’ was the lady in ‘A Streetcar Named Desire’.
Australia’s only notable achievement of the last decade was to take GST off tampons because of reasons
A few weeks later the price went straight back up
Maybe Australia could place sanctions on Russian tampons – that would really show them who’s boss
wookiemeister said:
Australia’s only notable achievement of the last decade was to take GST off tampons because of reasonsA few weeks later the price went straight back up
Maybe Australia could place sanctions on Russian tampons – that would really show them who’s boss
Nothing relevant to report?
Its the perfect storm at the moment, you’ve got a stupid electorate that vote for their doom, stupid politicians that raise taxes , rent, rates, soon to be a raised GST that sends billions of weapons to a war that can’t be won. Not to mention a dysfunctional defence industry and energy policy. It truly is the land of the idiot.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Australia’s only notable achievement of the last decade was to take GST off tampons because of reasonsA few weeks later the price went straight back up
Maybe Australia could place sanctions on Russian tampons – that would really show them who’s boss
Nothing relevant to report?
Could start a snowy hydro v2.0 thread but if yiu started an individual thread for every stupid thing the government in Australia does there’d be no room for anything else. They could always hire a million more government workers I suppose that could always fuck the economy in a more hardened way.
wookiemeister said:
The Ukrainians shot down a cargo plane they knew was being used for a prisoner swap – something like 60 Ukrainians prisoners were killed and some russians on board. The Russians haven’t done that again. Hitting a beach whilst not a tactical target dies kill russians, so it’s a limited victory.
The Russians claimed that there was 65 POWs on the plane that crashed.
They claimed that it was shot down by the Ukrainians (no physical evidence, e.g. missile fragments,.has been produced).
Putin promised that “There are black boxes, everything will now be collected and shown,” (https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-plane-crash-pows-c9f2e952a6bb869b1464ee842e0843b5). The release of any such information has not happened.
The Russians have provided no firm physical evidence of the presence of any POWs on the plane.
The Russians have declined to confirm that they had advised the Ukrainians that the prisoners would be transported by air (as had happened on previous occasions).
Makes an interesting story, but it’s a bit short on connections to truth.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Australia’s only notable achievement of the last decade was to take GST off tampons because of reasonsA few weeks later the price went straight back up
Maybe Australia could place sanctions on Russian tampons – that would really show them who’s boss
Nothing relevant to report?
not when he is in a click happy stupor.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Oh, so it’s OK for NK to send a whole army to Ukraine, but it would be a frightful transgression if and Western, or Western-aligned, nation sent so much as a troop of Brownies to make tea?
Bring it on I say. If NATO and Australia wants to commit troops bring it on I say. I’ve always encouraged Australia to send hundreds of thousands of troops to ukraine – for freedom, right ? We can add it to the Stella line up of military success. Australia could easily lose a few hundred thousand on the eastern front. It woukd ease the demand for rental property and let’s face it, it’s unlikely they’d be able to buy a house so with millions being brought in its only right to make a bit of room for new people.Australia – the stupid country
‘Stellar’.
‘Stella’ was the lady in ‘A Streetcar Named Desire’.
STELLA STELLA
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Australia’s only notable achievement of the last decade was to take GST off tampons because of reasonsA few weeks later the price went straight back up
Maybe Australia could place sanctions on Russian tampons – that would really show them who’s boss
Nothing relevant to report?
not when he is in a click happy stupor.
I’ll just try to limit it to a post a day on the thousands of new Ukrainian soldiers killed in a war that Russia didn’t want. That and a brief overview.
wookiemeister said:
Could start a snowy hydro v2.0 thread but if yiu started an individual thread for every stupid thing the government in Australia does there’d be no room for anything else. They could always hire a million more government workers I suppose that could always fuck the economy in a more hardened way.
Now you’re just rambling. You been watching videos of Trump’s speeches , or something?
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Bring it on I say. If NATO and Australia wants to commit troops bring it on I say. I’ve always encouraged Australia to send hundreds of thousands of troops to ukraine – for freedom, right ? We can add it to the Stella line up of military success. Australia could easily lose a few hundred thousand on the eastern front. It woukd ease the demand for rental property and let’s face it, it’s unlikely they’d be able to buy a house so with millions being brought in its only right to make a bit of room for new people.
Australia – the stupid country
‘Stellar’.
‘Stella’ was the lady in ‘A Streetcar Named Desire’.
STELLA STELLA
(9K32) Strela (-2)
(Russian: Cтрела, lit. ‘Arrow’; NATO reporting name SA-7 Grail) is a light-weight, shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missile or MANPADS system. It is designed to target aircraft at low altitudes with passive infrared-homing guidance and destroy them with a high-explosive warhead.captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Could start a snowy hydro v2.0 thread but if yiu started an individual thread for every stupid thing the government in Australia does there’d be no room for anything else. They could always hire a million more government workers I suppose that could always fuck the economy in a more hardened way.
Now you’re just rambling. You been watching videos of Trump’s speeches , or something?
wookiemeister said:
Shit
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:‘Stellar’.
‘Stella’ was the lady in ‘A Streetcar Named Desire’.
STELLA STELLA
This is the only strela I know(9K32) Strela (-2)
(Russian: Cтрела, lit. ‘Arrow’; NATO reporting name SA-7 Grail) is a light-weight, shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missile or MANPADS system. It is designed to target aircraft at low altitudes with passive infrared-homing guidance and destroy them with a high-explosive warhead.
I don’t even think Australia could even make that .
They’ve got a Ministry against Men so that should balance the books somewhat
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:
captain_spalding said:‘Stellar’.
‘Stella’ was the lady in ‘A Streetcar Named Desire’.
STELLA STELLA
This is the only strela I know(9K32) Strela (-2)
(Russian: Cтрела, lit. ‘Arrow’; NATO reporting name SA-7 Grail) is a light-weight, shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missile or MANPADS system. It is designed to target aircraft at low altitudes with passive infrared-homing guidance and destroy them with a high-explosive warhead.
Long time back, i could have got you a discount on those. Even lower for cash. ‘course, you’d have to order at least 500.
They’re not really state-of-the-art any more, being tail-chase only, having to lock on to the target’s heat signature. Pretty much comparable to the West’s old Redeye system.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:STELLA STELLA
This is the only strela I know(9K32) Strela (-2)
(Russian: Cтрела, lit. ‘Arrow’; NATO reporting name SA-7 Grail) is a light-weight, shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missile or MANPADS system. It is designed to target aircraft at low altitudes with passive infrared-homing guidance and destroy them with a high-explosive warhead.Long time back, i could have got you a discount on those. Even lower for cash. ‘course, you’d have to order at least 500.
They’re not really state-of-the-art any more, being tail-chase only, having to lock on to the target’s heat signature. Pretty much comparable to the West’s old Redeye system.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:This is the only strela I know
(9K32) Strela (-2)
(Russian: Cтрела, lit. ‘Arrow’; NATO reporting name SA-7 Grail) is a light-weight, shoulder-fired, surface-to-air missile or MANPADS system. It is designed to target aircraft at low altitudes with passive infrared-homing guidance and destroy them with a high-explosive warhead.Long time back, i could have got you a discount on those. Even lower for cash. ‘course, you’d have to order at least 500.
They’re not really state-of-the-art any more, being tail-chase only, having to lock on to the target’s heat signature. Pretty much comparable to the West’s old Redeye system.
It would be more than adequate to bring down any civillian aircraft I’d say.
Yep. Fish in a barrel. Something big, like a 747 or an A380 just might survive the destruction of an engine, but pretty much anything else is toast.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Long time back, i could have got you a discount on those. Even lower for cash. ‘course, you’d have to order at least 500.
They’re not really state-of-the-art any more, being tail-chase only, having to lock on to the target’s heat signature. Pretty much comparable to the West’s old Redeye system.
It would be more than adequate to bring down any civillian aircraft I’d say.
Yep. Fish in a barrel. Something big, like a 747 or an A380 just might survive the destruction of an engine, but pretty much anything else is toast.
The legacy of the ukraine war will be God knows how many missiles, guns, grenades floating around for years after being sold from one group to another. More weapons in the hands of lunatics. Great
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:It would be more than adequate to bring down any civillian aircraft I’d say.
Yep. Fish in a barrel. Something big, like a 747 or an A380 just might survive the destruction of an engine, but pretty much anything else is toast.
If you went after a 747 you’d need a team of at least 4. They’d hit it just after take , fully laden with Max fuel.
Well, it’s goingto be low-altitude, because the missile will just drop out of the sky after about 7,000 feet/2,100 metres. Usually less than that, because their guidance mechanism has some quirks that cause it to lose speed and accuracy as it nears the target.
wookiemeister said:
The legacy of the ukraine war will be God knows how many missiles, guns, grenades floating around for years after being sold from one group to another. More weapons in the hands of lunatics. Great
it was the same after WW2.
People who lived in Europe in the late 40s and 1950s have told me that Europe was awash with weapons. Practically everyone had a rifle, a machine gun, or a few grenades in their shed or garage.
Pistols, usually German, Czech, or Hungarian-made, were quite common. Most were pretty good, but there was one late-in-the-war product, from Hungary, i think, for which i remember seeing an advisory: ‘under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should ANYONE attempt to fire this type of pistol at ANY TIME’.
Wish i could remember what i was called.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
The legacy of the ukraine war will be God knows how many missiles, guns, grenades floating around for years after being sold from one group to another. More weapons in the hands of lunatics. Great
it was the same after WW2.
People who lived in Europe in the late 40s and 1950s have told me that Europe was awash with weapons. Practically everyone had a rifle, a machine gun, or a few grenades in their shed or garage.
Pistols, usually German, Czech, or Hungarian-made, were quite common. Most were pretty good, but there was one late-in-the-war product, from Hungary, i think, for which i remember seeing an advisory: ‘under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should ANYONE attempt to fire this type of pistol at ANY TIME’.
Wish i could remember what i was called.
What it was called.
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
The legacy of the ukraine war will be God knows how many missiles, guns, grenades floating around for years after being sold from one group to another. More weapons in the hands of lunatics. Great
it was the same after WW2.
People who lived in Europe in the late 40s and 1950s have told me that Europe was awash with weapons. Practically everyone had a rifle, a machine gun, or a few grenades in their shed or garage.
Pistols, usually German, Czech, or Hungarian-made, were quite common. Most were pretty good, but there was one late-in-the-war product, from Hungary, i think, for which i remember seeing an advisory: ‘under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should ANYONE attempt to fire this type of pistol at ANY TIME’.
Wish i could remember what i was called.
What it was called.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Yep. Fish in a barrel. Something big, like a 747 or an A380 just might survive the destruction of an engine, but pretty much anything else is toast.
If you went after a 747 you’d need a team of at least 4. They’d hit it just after take , fully laden with Max fuel.
Well, it’s goingto be low-altitude, because the missile will just drop out of the sky after about 7,000 feet/2,100 metres. Usually less than that, because their guidance mechanism has some quirks that cause it to lose speed and accuracy as it nears the target.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:If you went after a 747 you’d need a team of at least 4. They’d hit it just after take , fully laden with Max fuel.
Well, it’s goingto be low-altitude, because the missile will just drop out of the sky after about 7,000 feet/2,100 metres. Usually less than that, because their guidance mechanism has some quirks that cause it to lose speed and accuracy as it nears the target.
You’d launch it near the airport probably at the end of the runway, as it flies over you launch. The aircraft comes down in a heavily populated area killing thousands. The only silver lining will be property developers will be lining up to build bigger buildings holding more people that can be built for serious profit.
Lotto picking chart
wookiemeister said:
“I don’t even think”
That seems obvious.
wookiemeister said:
The legacy of the ukraine war will be God knows how many missiles, guns, grenades floating around for years after being sold from one group to another. More weapons in the hands of lunatics. Great
LOL.
Russians are having to buy NK factory seconds, most of their front line soldiers don’t even have guns and all the russian corpses are picked clean of every last round by the survivors. There aren’t enough weapons available for the task at hand, let alone excess to be filtered away onto the black market.
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:“I don’t even think”
That seems obvious.
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:“I don’t even think”
That seems obvious.
The russians advance on all fronts
Advancing towards Moscow?
They have lost more than half of the territory they initially gained at the start of the war, and are now in a stalemate where gains of a single kilometre are noteworthy.
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:“I don’t even think”
That seems obvious.
The russians advance on all fronts
Advancing towards Moscow?
They have lost more than half of the territory they initially gained at the start of the war, and are now in a stalemate where gains of a single kilometre are noteworthy.
wookiemeister said:
Russian military correspondent Sladkov complains that the situation at the front has changed dramatically.
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:“I don’t even think”
That seems obvious.
The russians advance on all fronts
❗️If three days ago there were 10 to 1 Russian shots more than AFU, now for every three Russian shots there were twenty shots from AFU.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:That seems obvious.
The russians advance on all fronts
Advancing towards Moscow?
They have lost more than half of the territory they initially gained at the start of the war, and are now in a stalemate where gains of a single kilometre are noteworthy.
Yeah, but Australia’s military is shit….
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:“I don’t even think”
That seems obvious.
The russians advance on all fronts
…
So 1800 in a day. Is that a good average for this Russian bullshit? 1,800 a day so that 54,000 a month makes it 1.2 million since the war started? Boy these Ukrainians seem to have an endless supply of recruits and some magical power of hiding their losses from friendly foreign intelligence services.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:The russians advance on all fronts
Advancing towards Moscow?
They have lost more than half of the territory they initially gained at the start of the war, and are now in a stalemate where gains of a single kilometre are noteworthy.Yeah, but Australia’s military is shit….
29 June. Key points:
▪️ On Friday, the Russian Ministry of Defense noted an increased intensity of US strategic drone flights over the Black Sea to target Western precision weapons used by Kiev to strike Russia.
▪️ In response, the minister, Belousov, instructed the General Staff to propose measures for an operational response to these provocations.
▪️ Russian forces have liberated Razdolovka in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense briefing.
▪️ Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.
▪️ Over the week, six HIMARS launchers, one MLRS, and a transport-loading vehicle with foreign specialists were destroyed, the briefing noted.
▪️ Damage to Donbas from the actions of the Kiev regime has reached trillions of rubles and continues to grow daily, DPR Prime Minister Solntsev told RIA Novosti.
▪️ The Belarusian State Border Committee reported on Friday that reconnaissance is being conducted by units of the “Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK)”, which is banned in Russia, near the border.
Key take away point : the russian army advances on all fronts
Still chatter about NATO drones that will be destroyed in the black Sea. NATO forces direct the missiles to their targets.
wookiemeister said:
29 June. Key points:▪️ On Friday, the Russian Ministry of Defense noted an increased intensity of US strategic drone flights over the Black Sea to target Western precision weapons used by Kiev to strike Russia.
▪️ In response, the minister, Belousov, instructed the General Staff to propose measures for an operational response to these provocations.
▪️ Russian forces have liberated Razdolovka in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense briefing.
▪️ Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.
▪️ Over the week, six HIMARS launchers, one MLRS, and a transport-loading vehicle with foreign specialists were destroyed, the briefing noted.
▪️ Damage to Donbas from the actions of the Kiev regime has reached trillions of rubles and continues to grow daily, DPR Prime Minister Solntsev told RIA Novosti.
▪️ The Belarusian State Border Committee reported on Friday that reconnaissance is being conducted by units of the “Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK)”, which is banned in Russia, near the border.
“We are in control, they are in a state of hysteria. Losers, they think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings of the people they will win. I think they will not win, those bastards.”
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
29 June. Key points:▪️ On Friday, the Russian Ministry of Defense noted an increased intensity of US strategic drone flights over the Black Sea to target Western precision weapons used by Kiev to strike Russia.
▪️ In response, the minister, Belousov, instructed the General Staff to propose measures for an operational response to these provocations.
▪️ Russian forces have liberated Razdolovka in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense briefing.
▪️ Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.
▪️ Over the week, six HIMARS launchers, one MLRS, and a transport-loading vehicle with foreign specialists were destroyed, the briefing noted.
▪️ Damage to Donbas from the actions of the Kiev regime has reached trillions of rubles and continues to grow daily, DPR Prime Minister Solntsev told RIA Novosti.
▪️ The Belarusian State Border Committee reported on Friday that reconnaissance is being conducted by units of the “Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK)”, which is banned in Russia, near the border.
“We are in control, they are in a state of hysteria. Losers, they think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings of the people they will win. I think they will not win, those bastards.”
Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.
…
That’s meaningless when Ukraine has a population of 10 bazillion.
wookiemeister said:
Key take away point : the russian army advances on all fronts
Oh no! At the rate they’re going they’ll get to Kyiv in 2079.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.…
That’s meaningless when Ukraine has a population of 10 bazillion.
That’s meaningless when it comes from Russian sources.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.…
That’s meaningless when Ukraine has a population of 10 bazillion.
It’s even more meaningless when those numbers are coming from the Kremlin.
Don’t forget that they blew up 10 Himars systems before any even got to Ukraine.
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.…
That’s meaningless when Ukraine has a population of 10 bazillion.
It’s even more meaningless when those numbers are coming from the Kremlin.
Don’t forget that they blew up 10 Himars systems before any even got to Ukraine.
Some of them were literally plywood mock-ups too.
watching drone attack footage it appears they lose contact quite often at the last minute, drone gets too low so no signal. I wonder if they have ever thought of a repeater drone?
JudgeMental said:
watching drone attack footage it appears they lose contact quite often at the last minute, drone gets too low so no signal. I wonder if they have ever thought of a repeater drone?
Yes, both sides have repeater drones.
But I don’t think it is much of an issue, by the time the signal drops out, signal latency (especially through a repeater) would mean the operator would not be able to do anything anyway.
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.…
That’s meaningless when Ukraine has a population of 10 bazillion.
It’s even more meaningless when those numbers are coming from the Kremlin.
Don’t forget that they blew up 10 Himars systems before any even got to Ukraine.
This seems to be a joke failon my behalf. I was alluding to massively exaggerated Russian figures by making up one about Ukraine.
Dark Orange said:
JudgeMental said:
watching drone attack footage it appears they lose contact quite often at the last minute, drone gets too low so no signal. I wonder if they have ever thought of a repeater drone?
Yes, both sides have repeater drones.
But I don’t think it is much of an issue, by the time the signal drops out, signal latency (especially through a repeater) would mean the operator would not be able to do anything anyway.
ahhh. didn’t know they already used them. I do see signal dropout quite far from the target. I guess it would depend on terrain and distance but in some cases I can see it would help.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/russias-police-107054228
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:Advancing towards Moscow?
They have lost more than half of the territory they initially gained at the start of the war, and are now in a stalemate where gains of a single kilometre are noteworthy.Yeah, but Australia’s military is shit….
Name ONE conflict they won after Malaysia in the 1950s
Vietnam.
By the time the Australian task force was withdrawn, Phuoc Tu province was connsidered to be effecitively ‘pacified’.
Enemy activity was at an extremely low level; the local Viet Cong battalion, D448, had been decimated, and was basically incapable of funtioning as a military unit.
If other forces had been as effective in other provinces, the war might have ended differently.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:Yeah, but Australia’s military is shit….
Name ONE conflict they won after Malaysia in the 1950s
Vietnam.
By the time the Australian task force was withdrawn, Phuoc Tu province was connsidered to be effecitively ‘pacified’.
Enemy activity was at an extremely low level; the local Viet Cong battalion, D448, had been decimated, and was basically incapable of funtioning as a military unit.
If other forces had been as effective in other provinces, the war might have ended differently.
Phuoc Tuy
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.…
That’s meaningless when Ukraine has a population of 10 bazillion.
It’s even more meaningless when those numbers are coming from the Kremlin.
Don’t forget that they blew up 10 Himars systems before any even got to Ukraine.
The Russians report what they believe to be the case.
Just as, like i pointed out to wookie previously, they believed that their military was at level of capability and efficiency such as to permit it to roll right over Ukraine in a matter of days, and not be stopped by a hastily-armed and -trained citizen military.
But, here we are, two-and-a-half years on, and wookie tells us that things are such that Putin might consider chucking 100,000 North Koreans in to do what the Russians cannot.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
party_pants said:Yeah, but Australia’s military is shit….
Name ONE conflict they won after Malaysia in the 1950s
Vietnam.
By the time the Australian task force was withdrawn, Phuoc Tu province was connsidered to be effecitively ‘pacified’.
Enemy activity was at an extremely low level; the local Viet Cong battalion, D448, had been decimated, and was basically incapable of funtioning as a military unit.
If other forces had been as effective in other provinces, the war might have ended differently.
You funny!
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Name ONE conflict they won after Malaysia in the 1950s
Vietnam.
By the time the Australian task force was withdrawn, Phuoc Tu province was connsidered to be effecitively ‘pacified’.
Enemy activity was at an extremely low level; the local Viet Cong battalion, D448, had been decimated, and was basically incapable of funtioning as a military unit.
If other forces had been as effective in other provinces, the war might have ended differently.
You funny!
I only know what the references, and the people who were there, have told me.
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:Vietnam.
By the time the Australian task force was withdrawn, Phuoc Tu province was connsidered to be effecitively ‘pacified’.
Enemy activity was at an extremely low level; the local Viet Cong battalion, D448, had been decimated, and was basically incapable of funtioning as a military unit.
If other forces had been as effective in other provinces, the war might have ended differently.
You funny!
I only know what the references, and the people who were there, have told me.
The war ended on April 30, 1975, when North Vietnamese forces captured Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam, and reunified the country under communist rule.
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You must have seen the scenes of chaos trying to evacuate the roof of the American embassy and the crash landing and pushing into the drink of all those helicopters.
Ian said:
captain_spalding said:
Ian said:You funny!
I only know what the references, and the people who were there, have told me.
The war ended on April 30, 1975, when North Vietnamese forces captured Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam, and reunified the country under communist rule.
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You must have seen the scenes of chaos trying to evacuate the roof of the American embassy and the crash landing and pushing into the drink of all those helicopters.
I once met one of the AA pilots who flew one of those helicopters.
Saigon (indeed, S. Vitenam , as a whole) in 1975, bore little resemblance to Phuoc Tuy some years before.
I just remembered, i saw, but never got to speak to, Neil Davis, who filmed the N. Vietnamese tank crashing the gates of the Presidential palace in Saigon. It was in Bangkok.
He waved to the bloke i was with, who said he’d introduce me later, but it never happened.
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:
JudgeMental said:
watching drone attack footage it appears they lose contact quite often at the last minute, drone gets too low so no signal. I wonder if they have ever thought of a repeater drone?
Yes, both sides have repeater drones.
But I don’t think it is much of an issue, by the time the signal drops out, signal latency (especially through a repeater) would mean the operator would not be able to do anything anyway.
ahhh. didn’t know they already used them. I do see signal dropout quite far from the target. I guess it would depend on terrain and distance but in some cases I can see it would help.
Yup. For signal tracing reasons, drone operators use standard analogue video feed for vision. At increased distances, the signal degrades when it drops out of line of sight.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kiev’s losses over the past week amounted to more than 13,800 soldiers, according to the Russian ministry.…
That’s meaningless when Ukraine has a population of 10 bazillion.
It’s even more meaningless when those numbers are coming from the Kremlin.
Don’t forget that they blew up 10 Himars systems before any even got to Ukraine.
The Russians report what they believe to be the case.
Just as, like i pointed out to wookie previously, they believed that their military was at level of capability and efficiency such as to permit it to roll right over Ukraine in a matter of days, and not be stopped by a hastily-armed and -trained citizen military.
But, here we are, two-and-a-half years on, and wookie tells us that things are such that Putin might consider chucking 100,000 North Koreans in to do what the Russians cannot.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I find it it strange that supporters of Russia are so quick to blame Ukraine for an accident such as this, but are silent over the deliberate targeting of hospitals, apartment buildings, concert halls being used as civilian bomb shelters and civilian funerals.
I have no sympathy for idiots who holiday in an active war zone.
That’s why i didn’t dismiss the Russian accusations of the missiles being targeted at civilian infrastructure out of hand.
Goodness knows, when it comes to attacks on civilian populations/infrastructure, they know what they’re talking about.
And maybe the victims weren’t all tourists. People live in Crimea, most of them from before the Russian takeover, and people everywhere tend to go to local beaches on hot days.
Ukraine has gone to a lot of effort to minimise civilian casualties, if this were deliberate then it would be the first non-military target the Ukes have hit.
And unsure if it has been mentioned, Russia has four facilities for their space communications. One of them is (was) in Crimea and was apparently high on the list of reasons to take Crimea in the first place. While its contribution to the war effort would be minimal at best, it did not stop the Ukes throwing quite a few valuable ATACMS at it.
This is the first target that I can remember that did not have potential tactical or strategic value. It /may/ have been used for retrieving satellite imagery, they have three others to do that. I wonder if this was destroyed to lower the value of Ukraine to Russia in an attempt to encourage them to reconsider their need for the place, or just a simple expensive “Fuck You”?
We’ll probably never know, but I do like the Ukrainians’ style. :)
wookiemeister said:
14,000 people were killed by the AFU before 2022.
Reference, please?
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:14,000 people were killed by the AFU before 2022.
Reference, please?
I’m still waiting for Australia to take some strong unilateral actionand put at least 50,000 troops with airfield defence/ tanks/ bushmasters it will be glorious. They’ll show those Aussies
Then the mud happens
The winter comes
But I’m sure it will be fine
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:14,000 people were killed by the AFU before 2022.
Reference, please?
LOL.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:14,000 people were killed by the AFU before 2022.
Reference, please?
Its what the russians claim. The ukos will tell you it never happened – see how that works ?I’m still waiting for Australia to take some strong unilateral actionand put at least 50,000 troops with airfield defence/ tanks/ bushmasters it will be glorious. They’ll show those Aussies
Then the mud happens
The winter comes
But I’m sure it will be fine
Ah, les Russes, well,…
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Reference, please?
Its what the russians claim. The ukos will tell you it never happened – see how that works ?I’m still waiting for Australia to take some strong unilateral actionand put at least 50,000 troops with airfield defence/ tanks/ bushmasters it will be glorious. They’ll show those Aussies
Then the mud happens
The winter comes
But I’m sure it will be fine
Ah, les Russes, well,…
wookiemeister said:
I’m still waiting for Australia to take some strong unilateral actionand put at least 50,000 troops with airfield defence/ tanks/ bushmasters it will be glorious.
This is beyond stupid. Stop waiting for this, or even mentioning it, makes you sound like a moron.
wookiemeister said:
Yet the russians advance on every front
I might ask,“in which direction”, but that would be rather churlish, would it not?
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:I’m still waiting for Australia to take some strong unilateral actionand put at least 50,000 troops with airfield defence/ tanks/ bushmasters it will be glorious.
This is beyond stupid. Stop waiting for this, or even mentioning it, makes you sound like a moron.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Yet the russians advance on every front
I might ask,“in which direction”, but that would be rather churlish, would it not?
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Yet the russians advance on every front
I might ask,“in which direction”, but that would be rather churlish, would it not?
West
Just checking.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:I might ask,“in which direction”, but that would be rather churlish, would it not?
West
Just checking.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Its what the russians claim. The ukos will tell you it never happened – see how that works ?
I’m still waiting for Australia to take some strong unilateral actionand put at least 50,000 troops with airfield defence/ tanks/ bushmasters it will be glorious. They’ll show those Aussies
Then the mud happens
The winter comes
But I’m sure it will be fine
Ah, les Russes, well,…
Yet the russians advance on every front
Is the official unit of advance the centimetre?
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:Yet the russians advance on every front
Is the official unit of advance the centimetre?
Don’t split hairs, Witty.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Ah, les Russes, well,…
Yet the russians advance on every front
Is the official unit of advance the centimetre?
Periodically the russian withdraw, the ukos advance into death ground where they are wiped out by artillery.
The Russian advance would probably go a lot better, if they weren’t always tripping over all those dead Russians.
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:Yet the russians advance on every front
Is the official unit of advance the centimetre?
Its more than thatPeriodically the russian withdraw, the ukos advance into death ground where they are wiped out by artillery.
The Russians would be too smart to fall for that!
captain_spalding said:
The Russian advance would probably go a lot better, if they weren’t always tripping over all those dead Russians.
Russian losses have been “manageable” bigger army , more tanks, bombs, shells, fighter jets,APCs.
I’ve seen a figure of 50,000 new recruits per year volunteering.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Is the official unit of advance the centimetre?
Its more than thatPeriodically the russian withdraw, the ukos advance into death ground where they are wiped out by artillery.
The Russians would be too smart to fall for that!
The T80 has started appearing more as time has progressed. The su57 they don’t talk about as much , failed design (?). The Su 57 might be used as a missile carrier
I’d be looking at another 10,000 by the end of next week
There’s talk of another offensive by the ukos.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:The Germans would have complained about it too.
Well, there was plenty of both sides to stumble on.
Russian losses have been “manageable” bigger army , more tanks, bombs, shells, fighter jets,APCs.
Thanks, North Korea, but you can unpack your bags, we’re doing fine.
I’ve seen a figure of 50,000 new recruits per year volunteering.
Yeah, i used to ‘volunteer’ for a lot of things in the Navy, too.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:14,000 people were killed by the AFU before 2022.
Reference, please?
Its what the russians claim.
I believe the Russians also said they had no intentions of invading Ukraine, hours before they actually invaded Ukraine.
I have no doubt there were many thousands of civilians killed, and that Russia blamed Ukraine for bombing their own people. Just like they blamed Ukraine for the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. Literally everything Russia says is a lie.
Russia Says Russia Is Lying
SCIENCE said:
Russia Says Russia Is Lying
me too.
SCIENCE said:
Russia Says Russia Is Lying
The Russians! Pfft! What would they know about the Russians?!
Report for the Morning of 30 June 2024⚡️
On the #Zaporozhye Front, in the area of #Rabotino and northwest of #Verbovoye without special changes, positional battles continue. Long range weapons are active on both sides. (Fig. 1)
On the #Donetsk Front, in the area of #Konstantinovka and #Paraskoviyevka, the RFAF appear to have completed preparations for further movement and launched an offensive. There are tactical successes.
In #Krasnogorovka, there are also successes of the Russian troops. Slowly but surely the RFAF are knocking the AFU out of their positions, pushing the Ukrainians to the outskirts of the town. In the #Karlovka area without significant changes, fighting continues in the area of the reservoir and at the edge of the settlement. (Fig. 2)
In #ChasovYar Direction, fighting continues in the eastern suburbs of #ChasovYar.
In parallel, Russian troops continue attempting to develop an offensive on the flanks. The AFU are actively defending, but they are not able to hold their positions everywhere. There are further tactical successes of the RFAF. (Fig. 3)
On the #Kharkov Front, heavy fighting continues in #Volchansk and in the area of #Glubokoye. Without any significant advancement, but the activity of fighting in the area continues to be extremely high. (Fig. 4)
BREAKING: The Russian army continues its assault on New York!
Meaning: New York, Donetsk Oblast, of course!
The Russian army is breaking through the enemy defenses, making its way towards Toretsk in a sudden offensive operation. Ukrainian sources confirm: Russians are in New York! In southern outskirts of the town.
Meanwhile: Russian troops have captured village of Shumy and have entered the village of Druzhba North East of New York
The picture is the same since the takeover of Avdeevka: Russian army slowly but surely takes village by village.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are drawing a large number of personnel to the borders with Belarus
According to the Belarusian Ministry of Defense, American infantry fighting vehicles, multiple launch rocket systems, heavy long-range artillery and other equipment are stationed in the Zhitomir region.
They clarified that the Ukrainians leave passages in the minefields, presumably for the passage of their DRGs into the territory of Belarus.
wookiemeister said:
They clarified that the Ukrainians leave passages in the minefields, presumably for the passage of their DRGs into the territory of Belarus.
The dirty devils.
Russians and Belarussians would never do such things.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:They clarified that the Ukrainians leave passages in the minefields, presumably for the passage of their DRGs into the territory of Belarus.
The dirty devils.
Russians and Belarussians would never do such things.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:They clarified that the Ukrainians leave passages in the minefields, presumably for the passage of their DRGs into the territory of Belarus.
The dirty devils.
Russians and Belarussians would never do such things.
Key take away : the russians advance on all fronts
You can do that, if you’re willing to feed a meat-grinder, and human lives mean nothing to you.
The Russian way: if the enemy has 1,000 bullets, send 1,001 soldiers to attack him.
wookiemeister said:
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are drawing a large number of personnel to the borders with BelarusAccording to the Belarusian Ministry of Defense, American infantry fighting vehicles, multiple launch rocket systems, heavy long-range artillery and other equipment are stationed in the Zhitomir region.
They clarified that the Ukrainians leave passages in the minefields, presumably for the passage of their DRGs into the territory of Belarus.
I mean, it’s not like the Russians have ever invaded Ukraine from Belarus.
Some interesting before and after satellite photos have emerged of Russian S300 missile storage on areas away from the front. The “Before” photos show dozens of neatly arranged storage crates of missiles, whereas the “After” shows no more than a half-dozen.
While the after photos are relatively recent, there is no date on the before. Regardless, this implies the cavalier usage of the missiles in the early days of randomly lobbing them into cities may have been a bad idea, as there is now a shortage.
Russia continues to advance on all fronts
In reality, nobody is doing much advancing. With new technology (especially drones) the battlefield is too transparent. Nobody can concentrate troops and equipment in sufficient numbers to mount a meaningful assault without being spotted and taken out by long range weapons. Troops have to stay dispersed and spread out, doing small scale actions only. Add in the minefields and other obstacles and you get a very static situation.
The Russians (all 17 of them) are advancing on all fours.
Unconfirmed rumours that F-16s have entered theatre.
Now, the fact that these (admittedly well trained) pilots are still pretty green, and an F-16 or two being shot down would be bad PR, I assume the Ukrainians will use them for back line defence while they get a little more experience and train up more pilots.
And speaking of effective air defence, the Ukrainians have found an effective method of dispatching Russian recon drones – WWII era twin seater YAK-52. Pilot at the front, and passenger literally riding shotgun. The Ukrainians have been quiet on its effectiveness, but the (Russian) footage shows eight “kills” painted on the fuselage earlier in the week, and recent footage shows ten.
Russia is advancing on all fronts
Dark Orange said:
footage shows eight “kills” painted on the fuselage earlier
Nobody Never Ever Painted False Colors Xor Flags On Wait What ¡¿
West Admits Ukraine’s Growing Manpower Crisis + the Evolution of Russia’s FAB-3000 Bomb
Update on the conflict in Ukraine for June 30, 2024…
▪️Western media admits Ukraine’s forces are stretched, forcing Kiev to move troops engaged in one desperate battle to another to prevent lines from collapsing;
▪️Ukraine’s mobilization is faced by large numbers of Ukrainian men fleeing the country;
▪️Ukraine is now resorting to recruiting from prisons;
▪️Western arms supplies are admittedly not enough to reach all sections of the Ukrainian front;
▪️Moves to secure more Patriot systems do not solve the problem of too few interceptor missiles being produced annually;
▪️Additional Patriot missile launchers may allow Ukraine to temporarily disrupt Russian glide bomb operations, but only until Russia eliminates Patriots near the line of contact as it did earlier this year;
▪️Initial claims that Russia’s FAB-3000 bomb was impractical have been proven false by a series of strikes using the munition;
▪️Russian glide bombs have been steadily improved and built in greater numbers since their appearance in the conflict and will continue to be advanced in quantities, range, and capabilities;
30th June. Key updates:
▪️ Russian forces have liberated the settlements of Spornoe and Novoalexandrovka in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), the Russian Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ The Russian Armed Forces struck a railway train unloading weapons, military equipment, and personnel of the 117th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, according to the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ Russian air defense destroyed 36 Ukrainian drones overnight over the territories of Kursk, Lipetsk, Voronezh, Bryansk, Oryol, and Belgorod Oblasts, the Ministry of Defense announced.
▪️ Two civilians were injured in a drone attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Bogun-Gorodok in the Belgorod region, reported Gladkov.
▪️ Four rescuers were injured in Donetsk due to shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, according to the Ministry of Emergency Situations.
▪️ Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski urged the West to learn to benefit from the escalation of relations with Russia, for example, by “confiscating all 300 billion euros of Russian assets.”
The russians advance on all fronts
wookiemeister said:
The russians advance on all fronts
Wookie is obviously a paid puppet
19 shillings said:
wookiemeister said:
The russians advance on all fronts
Wookie is obviously a paid puppet
and not paid very much. His disinfo is pretty sad really.
1st July. Key updates:
▪️ Russian forces have liberated Stepova Novoselivka in the Kharkiv region and Novopokrovske in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ Kiev’s losses over the past day amounted to more than 2,000 soldiers, as reported by the Russian military.
▪️ Aviation, artillery, and drones targeted Ukrainian aircraft on the ground, airfield infrastructure, repair and recovery complexes, and storage and preparation sites for unmanned boats, according to the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ Russian experts are studying the guidance and flight correction system of the American ATACMS tactical missile. With the obtained components, they can analyze the operation of systems along the entire flight path of the missile, experts told RIA Novosti.
▪️ NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg accused China of allegedly supporting drone production in Russia through technology and electronics and “inciting” the largest conflict in Europe since World War II.
▪️ Ukraine could declare default as early as August if the authorities fail to reach an agreement with creditors on debt restructuring, according to the British publication Economist.
The Russian Army advances on all fronts
wookiemeister said:
▪️ Russian forces have liberated Stepova Novoselivka in the Kharkiv region and Novopokrovske in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense.
They’re just making those place names up. Probably using tennis player’s name.
Woodie said:
wookiemeister said:▪️ Russian forces have liberated Stepova Novoselivka in the Kharkiv region and Novopokrovske in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense.
They’re just making those place names up. Probably using tennis player’s name.
LOL
Michael V said:
Woodie said:
wookiemeister said:▪️ Russian forces have liberated Stepova Novoselivka in the Kharkiv region and Novopokrovske in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense.
They’re just making those place names up. Probably using tennis player’s name.
LOL
But they aren’t hitting any aces.
▪️Unprecedented luck struck Ukrainian government officials in 2023: they declared more than UAH 156 million in winnings from online casinos
The biggest win – almost 44 million hryvnia – was indicated in her declaration by a police officer from the Ivano-Frankovsk region, Olga Khudyak.
Azov terrorist Bohdan Krotevich sends threats to Zelensky’s office, commenting on statements about possible peace negotiations between Moscow and Kiev:
“There is no peace without victory. There is only one victory – not a single Russian soldier on the territory of Ukraine. We will not leave this war to our descendants, and you will not leave it either, because if you try, it will be bad. Both for you and for them. I wrote with restraint.”
we’ll have so much winning, you’ll get bored with winning
Top news of the hour:
▪️11 UAVs shot down over Crimea, Bryansk and Belgorod regions overnight
▪️ Industrial enterprise and power line damaged in Dnipropetrovsk region after Russian Armed Forces strikes
▪️Russia’s post-representative in Vienna calls Western sanctions against Moscow a complete fiasco
▪️Hungarian Prime Minister Orban will visit Kiev on Tuesday and meet with Zelensky, the Financial Times claims, citing sources familiar with the situation
▪️Dutch authorities give authorization to supply Ukraine with F-16 fighter jets
▪️Moldavia will not terminate the bilateral agreement on visa-free regime with Russia, assured Foreign Minister Popşoi
▪️125 U.S. citizens sued Iran, Syria and DPRK over Hamas aid
▪️Supreme Court decision on Trump’s partial immunity sets a dangerous precedent and undermines the rule of law in the U.S., says Biden
▪️NATO to send senior civilian official to Ukraine, The Wall Street Journal says
▪️U.S. court strikes down Biden’s LNG export ban
▪️Tallinn promised to remove all Soviet symbols by the end of the year
Ukraine has stated that there is currently a 6:1 Russia:Ukraine casualty ratio in this war.
Now, some clarification on that number…
Those are produced by the Ukrainian side, so are probably inflated.
The usual number for dead to wounded suffered by Western countries in modern warfare ranges between 10:1 and 17:1.
Russia’s “meat wave” attacks rely on nobody coming back, and those that make it to medical care are usually sent back to the front and those that can’t are often dispatched.
So the death rates are probably far more imbalanced, maybe 1:10 or 1:20 or even more. Of course, we will never know the true numbers until well after this is over. But the fact Russia is so desperate for foreign fighters from NK and Africa for example, suggests they have recognised an imminent shortage of meat for the machine.
Everything in Russia is shit, except piss.
Dark Orange said:
Ukraine has stated that there is currently a 6:1 Russia:Ukraine casualty ratio in this war.
Now, some clarification on that number…
Those are produced by the Ukrainian side, so are probably inflated.
The usual number for dead to wounded suffered by Western countries in modern warfare ranges between 10:1 and 17:1.
Russia’s “meat wave” attacks rely on nobody coming back, and those that make it to medical care are usually sent back to the front and those that can’t are often dispatched.
So the death rates are probably far more imbalanced, maybe 1:10 or 1:20 or even more. Of course, we will never know the true numbers until well after this is over. But the fact Russia is so desperate for foreign fighters from NK and Africa for example, suggests they have recognised an imminent shortage of meat for the machine.
Everything in Russia is shit, except piss.
russian complaints that they don’t even get medical care.
Chatter coming through that NATO us about to attack Russia
wookiemeister said:
Chatter coming through that NATO us about to attack Russia
I assume that you mean that Russia is losing and retreating, and they want to blame someone other than pootin.
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
Chatter coming through that NATO us about to attack RussiaI assume that you mean that Russia is losing and retreating, and they want to blame someone other than pootin.
I’ve been picking up nuclear war for the last 4 weeks.
My general feeling will be that Russia strikes first if they figured they were being lined up for a first strike
Might just be brinkmanship and shifting sands
Its been bubbling up and down
wookiemeister said:
Chatter coming through that NATO us about to attack Russia
NATO is an exclusively defensive alliance… they don’t, in fact can’t, act as aggressors.
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
Chatter coming through that NATO us about to attack RussiaI assume that you mean that Russia is losing and retreating, and they want to blame someone other than pootin.
DunnoI’ve been picking up nuclear war for the last 4 weeks.
Wookie’s also been ‘picking up’ the defeat of Ukraine for about two-and-a-half years now.
2nd July. Key updates:
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian troops over the past day amounted to up to 1,800 people, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
▪️ According to the ministry, nine Ukrainian Air Force planes were hit in one day: five operational aircraft were destroyed and two undergoing repairs were damaged by a strike on the parking area at the “Myrhorod” airfield, and two more planes were shot down by air defense.
▪️ Over the past day, air defense systems intercepted and destroyed 12 Ukrainian drones over Bryansk (4), Belgorod (5) oblasts, and Crimea (3), the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ The Dutch authorities have granted permission to export 24 F-16 fighters, with the first ones to be delivered to Ukraine soon.
▪️ Russian experts have thoroughly examined the ATACMS missile fuse, which consists of numerous components and mechanisms, an armament specialist told RIA Novosti.
▪️ The status “Veteran of High-Risk Journalism” for war correspondents may be introduced in Russia, Vladimir Solovyov, head of the Union of Journalists of Russia, told RIA Novosti.
▪️ Hungarian Prime Minister Orbán asked Zelensky to consider the possibility of a ceasefire before negotiations to resolve the situation in Ukraine, believing this could expedite the talks.
The Russian Army advances on all fronts
Two workers of the only bakery of Oleshky (Tsiurupynsk) town were killed and another one was wounded, the governor of the Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo, reported:
Using FPV drones, the enemy attacked a bakery in Oleshki, causing damage to the building.
With a repeated attack on the enterprise workers who were extinguishing the fire, Ukrainian inhuman UAV operators began to hunt for individual people. Two workers were killed and one employee was injured and is in a local hospital. The only enterprise that produces bakery products for city residents was severely damaged.
Of course this is a terrorist attack and a heinous war crime.
wookiemeister said:
Two workers of the only bakery of Oleshky (Tsiurupynsk) town were killed and another one was wounded, the governor of the Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo, reported:Using FPV drones, the enemy attacked a bakery in Oleshki, causing damage to the building.
With a repeated attack on the enterprise workers who were extinguishing the fire, Ukrainian inhuman UAV operators began to hunt for individual people. Two workers were killed and one employee was injured and is in a local hospital. The only enterprise that produces bakery products for city residents was severely damaged.
Of course this is a terrorist attack and a heinous war crime.
Depriving people of their daily bread.
wookiemeister said:
Two workers of the only bakery of Oleshky (Tsiurupynsk) town were killed and another one was wounded, the governor of the Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo, reported:Using FPV drones, the enemy attacked a bakery in Oleshki, causing damage to the building.
With a repeated attack on the enterprise workers who were extinguishing the fire, Ukrainian inhuman UAV operators began to hunt for individual people. Two workers were killed and one employee was injured and is in a local hospital. The only enterprise that produces bakery products for city residents was severely damaged.
Of course this is a terrorist attack and a heinous war crime.
Unlike the Russians to bomb civilians and commit war crimes.
wookiemeister said:
Two workers of the only bakery of Oleshky (Tsiurupynsk) town were killed and another one was wounded, the governor of the Kherson region, Vladimir Saldo, reported:Using FPV drones, the enemy attacked a bakery in Oleshki, causing damage to the building.
With a repeated attack on the enterprise workers who were extinguishing the fire, Ukrainian inhuman UAV operators began to hunt for individual people. Two workers were killed and one employee was injured and is in a local hospital. The only enterprise that produces bakery products for city residents was severely damaged.
Of course this is a terrorist attack and a heinous war crime.
Unlike the Russians to bomb civilians and commit war crimes.
3th July. Key updates:
▪️ Russian units have completely liberated the “Novy” district in Chasov Yar in the DPR, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ Russian troops are pushing out Ukrainian militants from the island part of the Dnipro delta in the Kherson region, which remains a “gray zone,” Saldo told RIA Novosti.
▪️ Two unmanned boats heading towards Novorossiysk were destroyed overnight in the Black Sea, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ Trump must immediately present his plan to end the Ukrainian conflict, which the former U.S. president has repeatedly mentioned, Zelensky stated.
▪️ Zelensky has doubts about the idea of a ceasefire to hold negotiations, Orban told Die Weltwoche.
▪️ The Ukrainian Armed Forces hit the “Raduga” substation in Energodar with drones, injuring eight people, Likhachev reported.
▪️ As a result of the attack on the “Raduga” substation, most of Enerhodar was left without power and water, creating a significant threat to life support, the mayor reported.
▪️ The NATO Secretary General could not convince allies to take on long-term financial commitments to support Ukraine, writes DPA.
▪️ No force will compel Slovakia to send its military to Ukraine, stated Defense Minister Kaliňák.
▪️ A resident of Russian Far East was arrested for passing information about vulnerabilities on the railway to Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate, the regional FSB border control reported.
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
Are the medals like the American Purple Heart? You get one for each time you’ve been wounded?
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
Are the medals like the American Purple Heart? You get one for each time you’ve been wounded?
Wounded in action. Dropped a cigarette butt on his pants while cowering in a trench.
Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
So there are at least 4 Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades. OSINT so smart¡
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
So there are at least 4 Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades. OSINT so smart¡
There are 74 separate brigades.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
So there are at least 4 Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades. OSINT so smart¡
There are 74 separate brigades.
That’s certainly at least 4.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
Are the medals like the American Purple Heart? You get one for each time you’ve been wounded?
There was a link to the official release, but I don’t speak Russian so will have to trust that the original numbers were for personnel and not merely the number of medals given.
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
So there are at least 4 Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades. OSINT so smart¡
There are 74 separate brigades.
Sorry yous’re correct, we couldn’t arithmetic in our demented old age, we meant there are at least 7.
SCIENCE said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:
So there are at least 4 Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades. OSINT so smart¡
There are 74 separate brigades.
Sorry yous’re correct, we couldn’t arithmetic in our demented old age, we meant there are at least 7.
No. Now there is only 70. 4 have been put out of action.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
Are the medals like the American Purple Heart? You get one for each time you’ve been wounded?
There was a link to the official release, but I don’t speak Russian so will have to trust that the original numbers were for personnel and not merely the number of medals given.
I spoke and read a reasonable amount of Russian, like, forty years ago.
Got the link there?
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
So there are at least 4 Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades. OSINT so smart¡
There are 74 separate brigades.
Instead of starting 74 separate threads start one thread, the Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades thread.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:Are the medals like the American Purple Heart? You get one for each time you’ve been wounded?
There was a link to the official release, but I don’t speak Russian so will have to trust that the original numbers were for personnel and not merely the number of medals given.
I spoke and read a reasonable amount of Russian, like, forty years ago.
Got the link there?
Firefox extension, Simple Translate. Works great.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
SCIENCE said:So there are at least 4 Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades. OSINT so smart¡
There are 74 separate brigades.
Instead of starting 74 separate threads start one thread, the Russian Motorized Rifle Brigades thread.
So they weren’t separate?
11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:Are the medals like the American Purple Heart? You get one for each time you’ve been wounded?
There was a link to the official release, but I don’t speak Russian so will have to trust that the original numbers were for personnel and not merely the number of medals given.
I spoke and read a reasonable amount of Russian, like, forty years ago.
Got the link there?
Now I’m going to have to jump through those telegram channels again…
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:There was a link to the official release, but I don’t speak Russian so will have to trust that the original numbers were for personnel and not merely the number of medals given.
I spoke and read a reasonable amount of Russian, like, forty years ago.
Got the link there?
Now I’m going to have to jump through those telegram channels again…
Don’t fret about it.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:There was a link to the official release, but I don’t speak Russian so will have to trust that the original numbers were for personnel and not merely the number of medals given.
I spoke and read a reasonable amount of Russian, like, forty years ago.
Got the link there?
Now I’m going to have to jump through those telegram channels again…
This is the link to the May awards:
https://t.me/mod_russia/38299
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:I spoke and read a reasonable amount of Russian, like, forty years ago.
Got the link there?
Now I’m going to have to jump through those telegram channels again…
This is the link to the May awards:
https://t.me/mod_russia/38299
Says that about 10,000 servicemen received awards, although near the end it says that 14,00 got awards.
Looks like about 1,300 from the 433rd Red Banner Motorized Rifle Regiment got awards.
I think that the 35th Guards got a unit award or two. Three people got the title of Hero of the Russian Federation.
Doesn’t really specify numbers of awards per unit.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:Now I’m going to have to jump through those telegram channels again…
This is the link to the May awards:
https://t.me/mod_russia/38299
Says that about 10,000 servicemen received awards, although near the end it says that 14,00 got awards.
Looks like about 1,300 from the 433rd Red Banner Motorized Rifle Regiment got awards.
I think that the 35th Guards got a unit award or two. Three people got the title of Hero of the Russian Federation.
Doesn’t really specify numbers of awards per unit.
14,000
Dark Orange said:
Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
maybe they are posthumous awards
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
maybe they are posthumous awards
I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
maybe they are posthumous awards
I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)
Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
maybe they are posthumous awards
I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)
Units can lose more than 100% of their strength.
During WW2, some US Marine comapnies in the Pacific islands had 150% casualties, meaning that losses through killed and wounded/evacuated, and replaced by ‘new’ Marines, equalled 1.5 times the original comapny complement of about 180.
Of course, a very few of the ‘original’ Marines managed to survive through the various combats, and a lot of replacements were killed or wounded.
The problem, from a military view, is that you gradually lose the ‘original’ men who trained together, and who had a sense of cohesiveness, and who had acquired real experience.
For a brigade of 4,000 to have had over 300% losses would almost guarantee that none of the ‘originals’ were left, and the brigade would now be comprised of replacements who had arrived in dribs and drabs.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:maybe they are posthumous awards
I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Dark Orange said:I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It’s page 1 in the Russian playbook.
As i’ve mentioned here before, the principle is, if your enemy has 1,000 bullets, send 1,001 Russian solders to attack him
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Dark Orange said:I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It also makes you wonder if anyone is capable of starting, maintaining and then winning a major war and getting most of they want.
The cost alone is enormous and I imagine to win a major war against a similar technological enemy might require 10 times the number of everything you have at a minimum
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It’s page 1 in the Russian playbook.
As i’ve mentioned here before, the principle is, if your enemy has 1,000 bullets, send 1,001 Russian solders to attack him
…soldiers…
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Dark Orange said:I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It appears as if they may not have been correct with that statement.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:Yesterday, the Russian Minister of Defence Andrey Belousov claims to have awarded state decorations to more than 11000 servicemen from the 74th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade.
Late May, he also claimed that the 35th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 14000 servicemen awarded with decorations
The average size of a Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade is 3000-4000.
maybe they are posthumous awards
I read it as the total number of awards during the period of the war.
Which does mean that the brigade of 4000 men has had a 14,000 man turnover. Sure, some will be moved to other brigades but I doubt that would explain a small percentage of that number.
Especially when you hear the stories of Russian POWs claiming survival rates of around 5% or less. (“There were around 250 of us went there, only three of us survived” type stories)
We’re the soldiers decorated dead or living?
https://youtu.be/g7uh8I1OPMQ?
S75 davina in Vietnam
https://youtu.be/XTnNid4U5ZE?
What’s the frequency Kenneth?
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It also makes you wonder if anyone is capable of starting, maintaining and then winning a major war and getting most of they want.
The cost alone is enormous and I imagine to win a major war against a similar technological enemy might require 10 times the number of everything you have at a minimum
There’s nothing good about war.
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It’s page 1 in the Russian playbook.
As i’ve mentioned here before, the principle is, if your enemy has 1,000 bullets, send 1,001 Russian solders to attack him
…soldiers…
Just solder another soldier on.
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Same survival rate for Russian tanks?
Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It appears as if they may not have been correct with that statement.
The Ukranians have started taking people out of the klink and putting them to work on the war front
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It appears as if they may not have been correct with that statement.
The Ukranians have started taking people out of the klink and putting them to work on the war front
Yeah, they’re asking for volunteers. Russia did that 12 months ago though, and they weren’t asking and have run out of prisoners so have to rely on foreigners (mostly from African nations) to be stupid enough to believe the Russians when they were told the work would not be on the front lines.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It also makes you wonder if anyone is capable of starting, maintaining and then winning a major war and getting most of they want.
The cost alone is enormous and I imagine to win a major war against a similar technological enemy might require 10 times the number of everything you have at a minimum
There’s nothing good about war.
May I quote you on this wisdom?
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:It appears as if they may not have been correct with that statement.
The Ukranians have started taking people out of the klink and putting them to work on the war front
Yeah, they’re asking for volunteers. Russia did that 12 months ago though, and they weren’t asking and have run out of prisoners so have to rely on foreigners (mostly from African nations) to be stupid enough to believe the Russians when they were told the work would not be on the front lines.
It is crazy. War has always been thus but Putin seems to be taking it to the nth degree..
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Cymek said:Didn’t the Russians say one thing we have is people to throw at the problem, millions of them.
It also makes you wonder if anyone is capable of starting, maintaining and then winning a major war and getting most of they want.
The cost alone is enormous and I imagine to win a major war against a similar technological enemy might require 10 times the number of everything you have at a minimum
There’s nothing good about war.
While I agree with the sentiment, the willingness of a population to go to war has prevented their whole country from being Bucha.
Have you seen the movie “20 days in Mariupol”?
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:It also makes you wonder if anyone is capable of starting, maintaining and then winning a major war and getting most of they want.
The cost alone is enormous and I imagine to win a major war against a similar technological enemy might require 10 times the number of everything you have at a minimum
There’s nothing good about war.
While I agree with the sentiment, the willingness of a population to go to war has prevented their whole country from being Bucha.
Have you seen the movie “20 days in Mariupol”?
Haven’t seen that movie. Do I have to go to a theatre to see it?
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:There’s nothing good about war.
While I agree with the sentiment, the willingness of a population to go to war has prevented their whole country from being Bucha.
Have you seen the movie “20 days in Mariupol”?
Haven’t seen that movie. Do I have to go to a theatre to see it?
It had a theatrical release and was then available for free on the net, but looks like Apple TV has picked it up so it’s pay only through official channels. Won Best Documentary Oscar.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:While I agree with the sentiment, the willingness of a population to go to war has prevented their whole country from being Bucha.
Have you seen the movie “20 days in Mariupol”?
Haven’t seen that movie. Do I have to go to a theatre to see it?
It had a theatrical release and was then available for free on the net, but looks like Apple TV has picked it up so it’s pay only through official channels. Won Best Documentary Oscar.
Try here:
https://archive.org/details/youtube-gvAyykRvPBo
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:While I agree with the sentiment, the willingness of a population to go to war has prevented their whole country from being Bucha.
Have you seen the movie “20 days in Mariupol”?
Haven’t seen that movie. Do I have to go to a theatre to see it?
It had a theatrical release and was then available for free on the net, but looks like Apple TV has picked it up so it’s pay only through official channels. Won Best Documentary Oscar.
Thanks for the info.
4th July 2024 Key updates:
▪️ The crisis resolution option in Ukraine proposed by Russia, if Kiev and its Western sponsors are ready, will allow for an immediate cessation of hostilities and the start of negotiations, Putin stated at a SCO meeting.
▪️ Putin emphasized that ceasing fire without reaching an agreement on negotiations is not possible to prevent the enemy from “rearming and replenishing.”
▪️ No mediator will be authorized to sign final documents between Russia and Ukraine, Putin stated.
▪️ The Ministry of Defense reported that a MiG-29 combat aircraft of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed by a missile strike on the aircraft parking area at Dolgintsevo airfield in the Dnepropetrovsk region.
▪️ According to the Ministry of Defense, Kiev’s losses over the past day amounted to more than 2,200 personnel.
▪️ Kiev also lost three tanks, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, Pion, Gvozdika, and Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems, as well as Western-made artillery.
▪️ Russian military expert Karnozov told RIA Novosti that the appearance of the rare Pion self-propelled gun on the front indicates that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are running out of high-power artillery.
▪️ Politico published a letter from more than 60 foreign policy experts who urged NATO countries to avoid advancing Ukraine’s membership in the alliance at the summit to be held on July 9-11 in Washington, as it could lead to a conflict with Russia.
The Russians advance on all fronts
wookiemeister said:
4th July 2024 Key updates:The Russians advance on all fronts
BBC News:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80xjne8ryxo
On the frontlines, Ukrainian soldiers use a graphic term to describe the Russian tactics they face daily.
They call them “meat assaults”: waves of Russian soldiers coming at their defensive positions, sometimes nearly a dozen times in a day.
This tactic has led to staggering Russian casualties since Moscow launched its latest offensive two months ago. Around 1,200 Russian soldiers were being killed or wounded every day in May and June, the highest rate since the beginning of the war, according to Western officials.
Those attacking are normally quickly spotted by drones above and the Russians leave their dead and wounded on the battlefield, Lt Col Bayev says. “Their main task is simply meat assaults and our total exhaustion.”
In Pokrovsk in the Donetsk region, Captain Ivan Sekach from Ukraine’s 110th Brigade compares what he sees to a conveyor belt bringing Russians to be killed, although still allowing them to push forward slowly
.
And there have been complaints from the Russian side about “crippled regiments”, in which wounded soldiers are forced back into fighting. One video shows dozens of men, some on crutches, appealing to their commanders because they say they are wounded and require hospital treatment, but instead are being sent back into combat.”
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
4th July 2024 Key updates:The Russians advance on all fronts
BBC News:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80xjne8ryxo
On the frontlines, Ukrainian soldiers use a graphic term to describe the Russian tactics they face daily.
They call them “meat assaults”: waves of Russian soldiers coming at their defensive positions, sometimes nearly a dozen times in a day.
This tactic has led to staggering Russian casualties since Moscow launched its latest offensive two months ago. Around 1,200 Russian soldiers were being killed or wounded every day in May and June, the highest rate since the beginning of the war, according to Western officials.
Those attacking are normally quickly spotted by drones above and the Russians leave their dead and wounded on the battlefield, Lt Col Bayev says. “Their main task is simply meat assaults and our total exhaustion.”
In Pokrovsk in the Donetsk region, Captain Ivan Sekach from Ukraine’s 110th Brigade compares what he sees to a conveyor belt bringing Russians to be killed, although still allowing them to push forward slowly
.
And there have been complaints from the Russian side about “crippled regiments”, in which wounded soldiers are forced back into fighting. One video shows dozens of men, some on crutches, appealing to their commanders because they say they are wounded and require hospital treatment, but instead are being sent back into combat.”
Its not a war, it’s murder
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
4th July 2024 Key updates:The Russians advance on all fronts
BBC News:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80xjne8ryxo
On the frontlines, Ukrainian soldiers use a graphic term to describe the Russian tactics they face daily.
They call them “meat assaults”: waves of Russian soldiers coming at their defensive positions, sometimes nearly a dozen times in a day.
This tactic has led to staggering Russian casualties since Moscow launched its latest offensive two months ago. Around 1,200 Russian soldiers were being killed or wounded every day in May and June, the highest rate since the beginning of the war, according to Western officials.
Those attacking are normally quickly spotted by drones above and the Russians leave their dead and wounded on the battlefield, Lt Col Bayev says. “Their main task is simply meat assaults and our total exhaustion.”
In Pokrovsk in the Donetsk region, Captain Ivan Sekach from Ukraine’s 110th Brigade compares what he sees to a conveyor belt bringing Russians to be killed, although still allowing them to push forward slowly
.
And there have been complaints from the Russian side about “crippled regiments”, in which wounded soldiers are forced back into fighting. One video shows dozens of men, some on crutches, appealing to their commanders because they say they are wounded and require hospital treatment, but instead are being sent back into combat.”
Attention anybody. Australian gas is now comfortably the most expensive anywhere on planet earth:
• US $2.50Gj
• Europe $8.70Gj net back.
• Asia $10.60Gj net back.
Australian gas is $11.73Gj. It comes out of the ground for next-to-nothing up the road:
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/02/attention-anybody-aussie-gas-most-expensive-in-world/
Ukrainian drone production. Claimed to be “Half a day’s” production.
Dark Orange said:
hehehehe
Dark Orange said:
Dark Orange said:
Ukrainian drone production. Claimed to be “Half a day’s” production.
Take that Mr Poo tin.
Unidentified people have attacked a car carrying officers of the local military enlistment office with a drone in the Kharkov region, killing four people, military expert and retired Lieutenant Colonel of the Lugansk Popular Republic militia Andrey Marochko has said.
The strike was carried out in Chuguyev town, and the investigation believes that local residents were involved, Marochko added.
Good day, friends!
Top news of the hour:
⏺During the night, the Russian Armed Forces continued to strike enemy military facilities in Ukraine; explosions were heard in Kryvoy Rog, as well as in Zhytomyr, Kiev, Odessa and Sumy regions; Ukrainian army claims it shot down 32 Russian drones;
⏺Russian air defence forces destroyed 14 UAVs over Krasnodar region, 26 UAVs over Zaporozhie region, 10 UAVs over Rostov region at night, informed the Defence ministry of Russia;
⏺6-year-old girl died and 6 people were injured due to drone attack in Primorsko-Akhtarsk town in the Krasnnodar region, its governor Veniamin Kondratiev informed;
⏺Ukraine’s debt to the IMF rose to $13.8 bn after receiving a new loan tranche, making it the fund’s second main borrower, the IMF data shows;
⏺West of Avdeevka, the Russian troops are advancing after occupying a strong point near the village of Sokol in the direction of the village of Voskhod, the war correspondent Yevgeny Lisitsyn informed.
wookiemeister said:
Good day, friends!Top news of the hour:
⏺During the night, the Russian Armed Forces continued to strike enemy military facilities in Ukraine; explosions were heard in Kryvoy Rog, as well as in Zhytomyr, Kiev, Odessa and Sumy regions; Ukrainian army claims it shot down 32 Russian drones;
⏺Russian air defence forces destroyed 14 UAVs over Krasnodar region, 26 UAVs over Zaporozhie region, 10 UAVs over Rostov region at night, informed the Defence ministry of Russia;
⏺6-year-old girl died and 6 people were injured due to drone attack in Primorsko-Akhtarsk town in the Krasnnodar region, its governor Veniamin Kondratiev informed;
⏺Ukraine’s debt to the IMF rose to $13.8 bn after receiving a new loan tranche, making it the fund’s second main borrower, the IMF data shows;
⏺West of Avdeevka, the Russian troops are advancing after occupying a strong point near the village of Sokol in the direction of the village of Voskhod, the war correspondent Yevgeny Lisitsyn informed.
Who gives a rat’s arse about how much Ukraine has ro pay back?
This will be offset by the amount of grain to feed the world that Putin is going out of his way to stifle.
Do you have fluffy slippers, Mr Meister?
I’m doing a survey.
Woodie said:
Do you have fluffy slippers, Mr Meister?I’m doing a survey.
Mr Meister is still in WWII where the Germans were sufferring from worse than chillblains.
wookiemeister said:
Unidentified people have attacked a car carrying officers of the local military enlistment office with a drone in the Kharkov region, killing four people, military expert and retired Lieutenant Colonel of the Lugansk Popular Republic militia Andrey Marochko has said.The strike was carried out in Chuguyev town, and the investigation believes that local residents were involved, Marochko added.
Between the Ukrainian Underground’s car bombs and the Russians cleaning up their war criminals, it’s an uncomfortable time being an invader.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Unidentified people have attacked a car carrying officers of the local military enlistment office with a drone in the Kharkov region, killing four people, military expert and retired Lieutenant Colonel of the Lugansk Popular Republic militia Andrey Marochko has said.The strike was carried out in Chuguyev town, and the investigation believes that local residents were involved, Marochko added.
Between the Ukrainian Underground’s car bombs and the Russians cleaning up their war criminals, it’s an uncomfortable time being an invader.
Yet they all have to heed Putin’s call to arms.
roughbarked said:
Woodie said:
Do you have fluffy slippers, Mr Meister?I’m doing a survey.
Mr Meister is still in WWII where the Germans were sufferring from worse than chillblains.
The US hadn’t made another nuke and the soviet union knew it via Fuchs.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Unidentified people have attacked a car carrying officers of the local military enlistment office with a drone in the Kharkov region, killing four people, military expert and retired Lieutenant Colonel of the Lugansk Popular Republic militia Andrey Marochko has said.The strike was carried out in Chuguyev town, and the investigation believes that local residents were involved, Marochko added.
Between the Ukrainian Underground’s car bombs and the Russians cleaning up their war criminals, it’s an uncomfortable time being an invader.
https://youtu.be/MHdMeHxDg90?
Fog of War
Russia is delusional:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine’s “irreversible” “demilitarization” as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement.”
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-4-2024Dark Orange said:
Russia is delusional:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine’s “irreversible” “demilitarization” as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement.”
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-4-2024
Putin is an evil bastard weaving a web of lies.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:Russia is delusional:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine’s “irreversible” “demilitarization” as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement.”
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-4-2024Putin is an evil bastard weaving a web of lies.
probably just needs a hug.
Dark Orange said:
Russia is delusional:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine’s “irreversible” “demilitarization” as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement.”
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-4-2024
Putin: “I am perfectly willing to enter into a ceasefire agreement. I will write the ceasefire agreement, there will be no discussion about it, everything i demand will be readily agreed to, the other side will disarm totally, our side will retain all of its arms and continue its presence, we will treat the other side’s govenment, top to bottom, as outlaws, and everyone will do exacly as i say from now on. What could be more reasonable than that?”.
Wookie will be along shortly to explain in detail, using incontrovertible truths from invariably-truthful Russian sources why the Russian position is so logical, understandable, humane, and diplomatic, and why Putin has been forced into this attitude by NATO, who despite their founding and enduring principle of being a strictly defensive alliance, are secretly planning to attack Russia with the help of the Australian army.
captain_spalding said:
Wookie will be along shortly to explain in detail, using incontrovertible truths from invariably-reliable Russian sources why the Russian position is so logical, understandable, humane, and diplomatic, and why Putin has been forced into this attitude by NATO, who despite their founding and enduring principle of being a strictly defensive alliance, are secretly planning to attack Russia with the help of the Australian army.
Although he won’t have to now, as i’ve already said everythng that he would have been likely to say.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Russia is delusional:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine’s “irreversible” “demilitarization” as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement.”
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-4-2024Putin: “I am perfectly willing to enter into a ceasefire agreement. I will write the ceasefire agreement, there will be no discussion about it, everything i demand will be readily agreed to, the other side will disarm totally, our side will retain all of its arms and continue its presence, we will treat the other side’s govenment, top to bottom, as outlaws, and everyone will do exacly as i say from now on. What could be more reasonable than that?”.
You forgot the part about killing all military aged males and castration of the remainder, all the female children being “rescued” and every woman raped and tortured. But aside from that, accurate and perfectly reasonable terms.
captain_spalding said:
Wookie will be along shortly to explain in detail, using incontrovertible truths from invariably-truthful Russian sources why the Russian position is so logical, understandable, humane, and diplomatic, and why Putin has been forced into this attitude by NATO, who despite their founding and enduring principle of being a strictly defensive alliance, are secretly planning to attack Russia with the help of the Australian army.
Sounds like you actually read his posts.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Wookie will be along shortly to explain in detail, using incontrovertible truths from invariably-truthful Russian sources why the Russian position is so logical, understandable, humane, and diplomatic, and why Putin has been forced into this attitude by NATO, who despite their founding and enduring principle of being a strictly defensive alliance, are secretly planning to attack Russia with the help of the Australian army.
Sounds like you actually read his posts.
One of the great fantasy authors of our time.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Wookie will be along shortly to explain in detail, using incontrovertible truths from invariably-truthful Russian sources why the Russian position is so logical, understandable, humane, and diplomatic, and why Putin has been forced into this attitude by NATO, who despite their founding and enduring principle of being a strictly defensive alliance, are secretly planning to attack Russia with the help of the Australian army.
Sounds like you actually read his posts.
One of the great fantasy authors of our time.
Indeed.
5th July. Key updates:
▪️ Orbán flew to Moscow for talks with Putin, stating that his visit to Russia is the next stage of a peace mission.
▪️ Kiev does not consider the possibility of a ceasefire, as this would eliminate the pretext for extending the state of martial law, Putin said following the talks.
▪️ There should be neither a truce nor a pause for rearming the Kiev regime; Moscow advocates for a complete and final resolution of the conflict, the Russian President stated.
▪️ Russia insists on the complete withdrawal of all Ukrainian troops from the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye, and Kherson Oblasts, Putin said.
▪️ The positions of Russia and Ukraine are very far apart, and much needs to be done to bring an end to the conflict, Orbán said following the talks.
▪️ Ankara is ready to contribute to “creating the groundwork” for peace in Ukraine, Erdoğan said.
▪️ NATO countries will agree on a substantial package of support for Ukraine at the alliance summit in the USA, Stoltenberg said.
▪️ The leaders of Ukraine understand that their country will not be accepted into NATO, the Polish Interior Minister said.
▪️ Russian troops destroyed eight Ukrainian planes in a week: two MiG-29s and one Su-27 were shot down, and five more Su-27s were destroyed at airfields. Additionally, a Mi-24 was hit at an airfield, and two more Su-27s were damaged, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ Over the week, 32 Ukrainian soldiers surrendered, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ Russian air defense destroyed 50 Ukrainian drones overnight: 14 over the Krasnodar Krai, 26 over the Zaporozhye Oblast, and 10 over the Rostov Oblast, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ A three-story apartment building was damaged in a UAV attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Primorsko-Akhtarsk, five people were hospitalized, and one child died, the governor of the Krasnodar Krai reported.
▪️ Two civilians were killed, and 10 were injured as a result of a Ukrainian strike on Volnovakha, DPR.
▪️ A terrorist attack was prevented at a defense enterprise in Samara, with a local resident recruited by a pro-Ukrainian group being detained, the regional FSB office reported.
The Russian Army advances on all fronts
wookiemeister said:
The Russian Army advances on all fronts
They’d advance faster ,if they weren’t constantly tripping over dead Russians.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:The Russian Army advances on all fronts
They’d advance faster ,if they weren’t constantly tripping over dead Russians.
Dark Orange said:
Russia is delusional:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine’s “irreversible” “demilitarization” as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement.”
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-4-2024
Hmmmmm.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:The Russian Army advances on all fronts
They’d advance faster ,if they weren’t constantly tripping over dead Russians.
The russians are advancing, but it is because the Ukrainians are engaging just enough to take the maximum toll on the russians while also retreating just enough to minimise their own losses.
If the russians wish to lose 60k troops taking a pile of rubble that used to be a town of 10k civilians, then the Ukrainians are happy to oblige.
And I see there has been a progression of front-line transport from armoured BTRs at the start of the war, to trucks, then to vans, then to golf carts, then to motorbikes and now there are many new troops that are being supplied with electric scooters.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:The Russian Army advances on all fronts
They’d advance faster ,if they weren’t constantly tripping over dead Russians.
The russians are advancing, but it is because the Ukrainians are engaging just enough to take the maximum toll on the russians while also retreating just enough to minimise their own losses.
If the russians wish to lose 60k troops taking a pile of rubble that used to be a town of 10k civilians, then the Ukrainians are happy to oblige.
And I see there has been a progression of front-line transport from armoured BTRs at the start of the war, to trucks, then to vans, then to golf carts, then to motorbikes and now there are many new troops that are being supplied with electric scooters.
i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:They’d advance faster ,if they weren’t constantly tripping over dead Russians.
The russians are advancing, but it is because the Ukrainians are engaging just enough to take the maximum toll on the russians while also retreating just enough to minimise their own losses.
If the russians wish to lose 60k troops taking a pile of rubble that used to be a town of 10k civilians, then the Ukrainians are happy to oblige.
And I see there has been a progression of front-line transport from armoured BTRs at the start of the war, to trucks, then to vans, then to golf carts, then to motorbikes and now there are many new troops that are being supplied with electric scooters.
i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:They’d advance faster ,if they weren’t constantly tripping over dead Russians.
The russians are advancing, but it is because the Ukrainians are engaging just enough to take the maximum toll on the russians while also retreating just enough to minimise their own losses.
If the russians wish to lose 60k troops taking a pile of rubble that used to be a town of 10k civilians, then the Ukrainians are happy to oblige.
And I see there has been a progression of front-line transport from armoured BTRs at the start of the war, to trucks, then to vans, then to golf carts, then to motorbikes and now there are many new troops that are being supplied with electric scooters.
i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
I am assuming they are one-way transport.
At first I thought the scooters were just looted, but it seems they are actually being issued, and even then they don’t even have enough to go around as the instances I have seen shows one scooter being used by a soldier, with a second on foot.
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:They’d advance faster ,if they weren’t constantly tripping over dead Russians.
The russians are advancing, but it is because the Ukrainians are engaging just enough to take the maximum toll on the russians while also retreating just enough to minimise their own losses.
If the russians wish to lose 60k troops taking a pile of rubble that used to be a town of 10k civilians, then the Ukrainians are happy to oblige.
And I see there has been a progression of front-line transport from armoured BTRs at the start of the war, to trucks, then to vans, then to golf carts, then to motorbikes and now there are many new troops that are being supplied with electric scooters.
i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
returning = retreating.
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
Dark Orange said:The russians are advancing, but it is because the Ukrainians are engaging just enough to take the maximum toll on the russians while also retreating just enough to minimise their own losses.
If the russians wish to lose 60k troops taking a pile of rubble that used to be a town of 10k civilians, then the Ukrainians are happy to oblige.
And I see there has been a progression of front-line transport from armoured BTRs at the start of the war, to trucks, then to vans, then to golf carts, then to motorbikes and now there are many new troops that are being supplied with electric scooters.
i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
I am assuming they are one-way transport.
At first I thought the scooters were just looted, but it seems they are actually being issued, and even then they don’t even have enough to go around as the instances I have seen shows one scooter being used by a soldier, with a second on foot.
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
I am assuming they are one-way transport.
At first I thought the scooters were just looted, but it seems they are actually being issued, and even then they don’t even have enough to go around as the instances I have seen shows one scooter being used by a soldier, with a second on foot.
That’s a WWII scooter.
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
I am assuming they are one-way transport.
At first I thought the scooters were just looted, but it seems they are actually being issued, and even then they don’t even have enough to go around as the instances I have seen shows one scooter being used by a soldier, with a second on foot.
Wrong type of scooter.
JudgeMental said:
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:i hope they’ve got plenty of recharging stations set up. Or o they not last long enough to return for a recharge?
I am assuming they are one-way transport.
At first I thought the scooters were just looted, but it seems they are actually being issued, and even then they don’t even have enough to go around as the instances I have seen shows one scooter being used by a soldier, with a second on foot.
done purely for comic relief.
Dark Orange said:
Russia is delusional:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin explicitly rejected Russian participation in any meaningful negotiations on a ceasefire agreement, instead demanding Ukraine’s “irreversible” “demilitarization” as a precondition for any ceasefire agreement.”
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-4-2024
Putin will be famous for the destruction of Russia.
Russian President Vladimir Putin used a meeting with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban on July 5 to oppose a negotiated ceasefire altogether and expressed his commitment to pursuing a “final” end to the war that would achieve his goal of destroying Ukrainian statehood.
…
Putin stated that an agreement between Russia and Ukraine should not result in a temporary ceasefire since this would allow Ukraine to regroup and rearm and that Russia instead favors a “complete” and “final” end to the conflict.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-july-5-2024
AFU ( ukrainian) soldiers have killed an unarmed wounded Russian soldier who was asking for medical help.
This was reported by the New York Times with reference to Caspar Grosse, a medic with a foreign mercenary unit involved in combat operations, who witnessed the incident. He also admitted that this was by no means an isolated case of Russian prisoners being killed.
July 6th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:
▪️Russian forces have liberated the settlement of Sokol in the DPR, the Russian Defence Ministry announced;
▪️The AFU’s losses over the day totalled up to 2,050 military personnel;
▪️The Russian Armed Forces destroyed two S-300PS SAM launchers, hit an AFU oil refinery and fuel depot, an air weapons depot and a Bayraktar UAV park at two military airfields, the Russian Defence Ministry said;
▪️Russian air defences destroyed 7 Ukrainian drones over the Kursk region and 2 over the Belgorod region, the Defence Ministry said;
▪️Yeisky, Leningradsky and Pavlovsky districts of Krasnodar Region were attacked by drones, no casualties, fuel tanks damaged, the operational headquarters said;
▪️Russian forces hit the Sumykhimprom plant in Ukraine’s Sumy, which produces cluster shells for the MLRS, and struck an airfield and a fuel and oil refinery base in Poltava’s Kremenchuk, said Lebedev, coordinator of the Nikolaev underground;
▪️Western politicians have shown no interest in the peace initiatives on Ukraine announced by Putin and have not contacted the Kremlin, Peskov said;
▪️Hungarian Prime Minister Orban called NATO’s current policy contrary to the alliance’s core values, stressing that if NATO chooses conflict over cooperation and war over peace, it will be committing suicide.
The Russian Army advances on all fronts
wookiemeister said:
▪️Western politicians have shown no interest in the peace initiatives on Ukraine announced by Putin and have not contacted the Kremlin, Peskov said;
Wookie, have you studied Putin’s ‘peace initiatives’?
If you have, then you’d have to agree that they amount to nothing other than a suggestion that the Ukrainians surrender, disarm entirely, and simply wait for the Russians to take over the country from end to end.
I really don’t think Vlad was being serious. He just wanted to be able to tell the Russian people, ‘hey, look, i tried, OK?’.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:▪️Western politicians have shown no interest in the peace initiatives on Ukraine announced by Putin and have not contacted the Kremlin, Peskov said;
Wookie, have you studied Putin’s ‘peace initiatives’?
If you have, then you’d have to agree that they amount to nothing other than a suggestion that the Ukrainians surrender, disarm entirely, and simply wait for the Russians to take over the country from end to end.
I really don’t think Vlad was being serious. He just wanted to be able to tell the Russian people, ‘hey, look, i tried, OK?’.
What worries me is we are wiping out the Ukrainian people
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:▪️Western politicians have shown no interest in the peace initiatives on Ukraine announced by Putin and have not contacted the Kremlin, Peskov said;
Wookie, have you studied Putin’s ‘peace initiatives’?
If you have, then you’d have to agree that they amount to nothing other than a suggestion that the Ukrainians surrender, disarm entirely, and simply wait for the Russians to take over the country from end to end.
I really don’t think Vlad was being serious. He just wanted to be able to tell the Russian people, ‘hey, look, i tried, OK?’.
All countries do thus.What worries me is we are wiping out the Ukrainian people
You’ve just outed yourself as a russian.
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Wookie, have you studied Putin’s ‘peace initiatives’?
If you have, then you’d have to agree that they amount to nothing other than a suggestion that the Ukrainians surrender, disarm entirely, and simply wait for the Russians to take over the country from end to end.
I really don’t think Vlad was being serious. He just wanted to be able to tell the Russian people, ‘hey, look, i tried, OK?’.
All countries do thus.What worries me is we are wiping out the Ukrainian people
You’ve just outed yourself as a russian.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:▪️Western politicians have shown no interest in the peace initiatives on Ukraine announced by Putin and have not contacted the Kremlin, Peskov said;
Wookie, have you studied Putin’s ‘peace initiatives’?
If you have, then you’d have to agree that they amount to nothing other than a suggestion that the Ukrainians surrender, disarm entirely, and simply wait for the Russians to take over the country from end to end.
I really don’t think Vlad was being serious. He just wanted to be able to tell the Russian people, ‘hey, look, i tried, OK?’.
All countries do thus.What worries me is we are wiping out the Ukrainian people
And they’re busy wiping out Russian people.
“just”
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:All countries do thus.
What worries me is we are wiping out the Ukrainian people
You’ve just outed yourself as a russian.
Well at least as a Russian asset
A couple of superflous letters on your last word there, wookie :)
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:You’ve just outed yourself as a russian.
Well at least as a Russian asset
A couple of superflous letters on your last word there, wookie :)
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Well at least as a Russian asset
A couple of superflous letters on your last word there, wookie :)
While you’re here how did your car go. Did the hazard lights make the indicators work?
No, afraid not. No function from that button, either.
I’ll get it to an auto electrician ASAP tomorrow. It’ll givethe apprentice something to do, sharpen his/her problem-determination skills.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:A couple of superflous letters on your last word there, wookie :)
While you’re here how did your car go. Did the hazard lights make the indicators work?
No, afraid not. No function from that button, either.
I’ll get it to an auto electrician ASAP tomorrow. It’ll givethe apprentice something to do, sharpen his/her problem-determination skills.
Could be one of the relays under the hood. They’ll be in a plastic box
The fact it doesn’t activate the flashers through the separate route makes me think broken wire to the flasher box or brain ?
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:While you’re here how did your car go. Did the hazard lights make the indicators work?
No, afraid not. No function from that button, either.
I’ll get it to an auto electrician ASAP tomorrow. It’ll givethe apprentice something to do, sharpen his/her problem-determination skills.
That’s a shameCould be one of the relays under the hood. They’ll be in a plastic box
The fact it doesn’t activate the flashers through the separate route makes me think broken wire to the flasher box or brain ?
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:While you’re here how did your car go. Did the hazard lights make the indicators work?
No, afraid not. No function from that button, either.
I’ll get it to an auto electrician ASAP tomorrow. It’ll givethe apprentice something to do, sharpen his/her problem-determination skills.
That’s a shameCould be one of the relays under the hood. They’ll be in a plastic box
The fact it doesn’t activate the flashers through the separate route makes me think broken wire to the flasher box or brain ?
Well, i suspect that it’s the relay, or the flasher unit. However, i’m content to let a professional do all the awkward hunting and poking for the flasher unit, and, if necessary, they’ll be able to replace the relay sooner and more easily than me.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:No, afraid not. No function from that button, either.
I’ll get it to an auto electrician ASAP tomorrow. It’ll givethe apprentice something to do, sharpen his/her problem-determination skills.
That’s a shameCould be one of the relays under the hood. They’ll be in a plastic box
The fact it doesn’t activate the flashers through the separate route makes me think broken wire to the flasher box or brain ?
Well, i suspect that it’s the relay, or the flasher unit. However, i’m content to let a professional do all the awkward hunting and poking for the flasher unit, and, if necessary, they’ll be able to replace the relay sooner and more easily than me.
The work van had an issue with the alarm going off
They sent to an auto sparky – no dice. Couldn’t find the fault – suggested a door sensor to them.
I discovered when simply pushing on the doors I could trigger the alarm via the drivers side sliding door.
I unplugged the door sensor and its been good as gold
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:All countries do thus.
What worries me is we are wiping out the Ukrainian people
You’ve just outed yourself as a russian.
Well at least as a Russian asset
I don’t think the GRU are getting good value for your stipend.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:You’ve just outed yourself as a russian.
Well at least as a Russian asset
I don’t think the GRU are getting good value for your stipend.
some old geezer called “smiley” or something ( i didn’t get to know him that well ) started sniffing around so I had to bullet in him
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:Well at least as a Russian asset
I don’t think the GRU are getting good value for your stipend.
Maybe.
I’m a double agent for the GRU .some old geezer called “smiley” or something ( i didn’t get to know him that well ) started sniffing around so I had to bullet in him
I was thinking car crash or heart attack but that’s too obviously given the shocking crime rate these days I was easily able to cover my tracks
I was thinking e- scooter hit and run
wookiemeister said:
I was thinking e- scooter hit and run
Oh, if you want to kill someone with an e-scooter, just leave them alone in a room with one.
Sooner or later, the scooter will burst into flames and burn the place down.
wookiemeister said:
AFU ( ukrainian) soldiers have killed an unarmed wounded Russian soldier who was asking for medical help.This was reported by the New York Times with reference to Caspar Grosse, a medic with a foreign mercenary unit involved in combat operations, who witnessed the incident. He also admitted that this was by no means an isolated case of Russian prisoners being killed.
Meh. Shit happens in war. Isolated incidents on one side can’t be compared to systematic policy of the other.
In the latest update to their list of confirmed Russian military deaths, Mediazona and BBC News Russian reported that at least 56,585 Russian soldiers have died fighting in Ukraine as of June 21. However, this list only includes soldiers whose deaths could be individually corroborated through open sources such as obituaries. In a previous investigation, Meduza and Mediazona used inheritance case data to estimate Russia’s losses and determined that 75,000 Russian soldiers had died in Ukraine as of the end of 2023. But collecting and analyzing data from the National Probate Registry takes significant time and resources, and this means that our true mortality estimates come much less frequently than our colleagues’ updates to the list of confirmed deaths. To address this problem, we’ve devised a new method for estimating Russia’s true military death toll at any given time with a reasonably high level of accuracy. These “flash estimates” will now accompany updates to Mediazona and BBC Russian’s confirmed deaths list as well as Meduza’s own reports on casualties.According to our latest calculations, as of the end of June, approximately 120,000 Russian servicemen have died in the war since 2022, but the real number could be as high as 140,000.
Ukraine estimates just over 180,000 russians killed and a further 320,000k casualties, so their numbers are pretty close.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
AFU ( ukrainian) soldiers have killed an unarmed wounded Russian soldier who was asking for medical help.This was reported by the New York Times with reference to Caspar Grosse, a medic with a foreign mercenary unit involved in combat operations, who witnessed the incident. He also admitted that this was by no means an isolated case of Russian prisoners being killed.
Meh. Shit happens in war. Isolated incidents on one side can’t be compared to systematic policy of the other.
There’s the thing.
In no way am i trying to excuse what those people did, but…
People will do the ‘wrong’ things in wars. Sometimes, it’s behaviour out of the ordinary: when the defending force has slaughtered your friends in the attacking force, and then meekly tries to surrender, some people can lose control. But there can be differences between acts of rage and acts encouraged as desirable policy. People can have their view of ‘the enemy’ utterly distorted by the actions of that enemy.
The Russians routinely abandon their wounded on the battlefield. If you can’t move yourself, then no-one is going to help you. You’re seen as a burden, easily replaced, of no further value. As they’re quite happy to abandon their own wounded, it’s not hard to imagine how they treat Ukrainian wounded.
Russians will take prisoners <>if it is convenient to do that. Otherwise, they’ll be ‘disposed of’. We can only guess at how many scenes of atrocity have been discovered by Ukrainian soldiers, and that’s not going to improve their dispositions towards Russians, wounded or able.
In WW2, Allied soldiers were usually quickly disabused of any notion that they were fighting against forces who behaved in humane ways, and who deserved consideration as people who deserved consideration.
Whether it was the German SS, routinely shooting POWs and civilians, or the Japanese with their ‘no surrender’ doctrine, and their systemic, almost compulsive, brutal behaviour (meant to terrorise enemy forces and civilian populations), Allied soldiers would have had to be more than human to not develop what can only be called murderous attitudes towards at least some of their enemies.
In this instance, we have no information on the wounded man. I know of an instance where a wounded man was killed. As the man who did it said ‘he was really badly hurt, they weren’t going to send any medics, if we tried to help, they shot at us, and even if we’d got him, he wasn’t going to make it the rear, so i put him out of his misery’.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
AFU ( ukrainian) soldiers have killed an unarmed wounded Russian soldier who was asking for medical help.This was reported by the New York Times with reference to Caspar Grosse, a medic with a foreign mercenary unit involved in combat operations, who witnessed the incident. He also admitted that this was by no means an isolated case of Russian prisoners being killed.
Meh. Shit happens in war. Isolated incidents on one side can’t be compared to systematic policy of the other.
There’s the thing.
In no way am i trying to excuse what those people did, but…
People will do the ‘wrong’ things in wars. Sometimes, it’s behaviour out of the ordinary: when the defending force has slaughtered your friends in the attacking force, and then meekly tries to surrender, some people can lose control. But there can be differences between acts of rage and acts encouraged as desirable policy. People can have their view of ‘the enemy’ utterly distorted by the actions of that enemy.
The Russians routinely abandon their wounded on the battlefield. If you can’t move yourself, then no-one is going to help you. You’re seen as a burden, easily replaced, of no further value. As they’re quite happy to abandon their own wounded, it’s not hard to imagine how they treat Ukrainian wounded.
Russians will take prisoners <>if it is convenient to do that. Otherwise, they’ll be ‘disposed of’. We can only guess at how many scenes of atrocity have been discovered by Ukrainian soldiers, and that’s not going to improve their dispositions towards Russians, wounded or able.
In WW2, Allied soldiers were usually quickly disabused of any notion that they were fighting against forces who behaved in humane ways, and who deserved consideration as people who deserved consideration.
Whether it was the German SS, routinely shooting POWs and civilians, or the Japanese with their ‘no surrender’ doctrine, and their systemic, almost compulsive, brutal behaviour (meant to terrorise enemy forces and civilian populations), Allied soldiers would have had to be more than human to not develop what can only be called murderous attitudes towards at least some of their enemies.
In this instance, we have no information on the wounded man. I know of an instance where a wounded man was killed. As the man who did it said ‘he was really badly hurt, they weren’t going to send any medics, if we tried to help, they shot at us, and even if we’d got him, he wasn’t going to make it the rear, so i put him out of his misery’.
So it goes…
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
AFU ( ukrainian) soldiers have killed an unarmed wounded Russian soldier who was asking for medical help.This was reported by the New York Times with reference to Caspar Grosse, a medic with a foreign mercenary unit involved in combat operations, who witnessed the incident. He also admitted that this was by no means an isolated case of Russian prisoners being killed.
Meh. Shit happens in war. Isolated incidents on one side can’t be compared to systematic policy of the other.
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Whether it was the German SS, routinely shooting POWs and civilians, or the Japanese with their ‘no surrender’ doctrine, and their systemic, almost compulsive, brutal behaviour (meant to terrorise enemy forces and civilian populations), Allied soldiers would have had to be more than human to not develop what can only be called murderous attitudes towards at least some of their enemies.
I can completely understand an individual being pushed to the point of treating a seemingly inhumane enemy as inhuman.
But the irony of this potential collapse of russia is that if they had actually treated the Ukrainians as brothers – embraced rather than terrorised the population, then Russia would have all the Ukrainian resources at essentially zero cost. (That’s ignoring the likelihood that they’d never have left the USSR in the first place)
poikilotherm said:
So it goes…
That’s the bit of ‘Heart of Darkness’ that really hit me when i first read it at about age 15.
So much so that i instantly, without trying, learnt it by herart:
‘He cried in a whisper at some image, at some vision—he cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!”’
Today, a coup de grâce for incapacitated soldiers would be a war crime: the laws of war mandate caring for the incapacitated and prohibit mercy killing.
Dark Orange said:
But the irony of this potential collapse of russia is that if they had actually treated the Ukrainians as brothers – embraced rather than terrorised the population, then Russia would have all the Ukrainian resources at essentially zero cost.
If the Germans had done the same thing in WW2, rather than trying to exterminate the Ukrainian, Belorussian, and other populations, they would have had a very much easier time of it on the ir drive eastward.
captain_spalding said:
poikilotherm said:So it goes…
That’s the bit of ‘Heart of Darkness’ that really hit me when i first read it at about age 15.
So much so that i instantly, without trying, learnt it by herart:
‘He cried in a whisper at some image, at some vision—he cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!”’
Herart?
‘heart’
I had wondered what had changed that Ukraine got so sloppy as to lose several aircraft parked at airbases, or russia managed to get competent at finding them.
If the Ukrainians are to be believed, it is neither:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/ukrainian-air-force-commander-says-russian-military-duped-by-realistic-models
KYIV – The Ukrainian Air Force commander said on July 6 his forces had duped Russian troops into deploying missiles against sophisticated models put in place to look like military targets.Commander Mykola Oleshchuk, writing on the Telegram messaging app, said the models depicted fighter aircraft and a surface-to-air missile battery.
They were put in place at an airfield near the central city of Kryvyi Rih and a district of the Black Sea port of Odesa.
A video attached to the post, described as footage from a Russian reconnaissance drone, showed what Commander Oleshchuk said were Russian Iskander missiles attacking the depictions.
“Air force personnel conducted passive defence measures!” Lieutenant-General Oleshchuk wrote.
“Thank you to everyone who helped with the top-quality mock-ups of aircraft and SAM systems. The enemy now has fewer Iskander missiles and more mock-ups will be delivered.”
Lt-Gen Oleshchuk said he went public with the deception “as an exception, to show the public that not everything is straightforward”.
The Russian military destroyed mercenaries from Australia and Colombia
Brock Greenwood has fought with the Ukrainian Armed Forces since March 2023 in the ranks of the neo-Nazi battalion “Carpathian Sich”. He was eliminated along with the Colombian Murilo Santos Lopez . The mercenaries were covered by Russian artillery.
In addition, Colombian militant Elvis Gudinho was killed . Details of the liquidation are being determined.
wookiemeister said:
The Russian military destroyed mercenaries from Australia and ColombiaBrock Greenwood has fought with the Ukrainian Armed Forces since March 2023 in the ranks of the neo-Nazi battalion “Carpathian Sich”. He was eliminated along with the Colombian Murilo Santos Lopez . The mercenaries were covered by Russian artillery.
In addition, Colombian militant Elvis Gudinho was killed . Details of the liquidation are being determined.
There many been many foreigners killed, although most of them have been medics. The russian double-tap for the civilians, and direct targeting for the prominent front-line combat medics.
Dark Orange said:
I had wondered what had changed that Ukraine got so sloppy as to lose several aircraft parked at airbases, or russia managed to get competent at finding them.
If the Ukrainians are to be believed, it is neither:
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/ukrainian-air-force-commander-says-russian-military-duped-by-realistic-models
KYIV – The Ukrainian Air Force commander said on July 6 his forces had duped Russian troops into deploying missiles against sophisticated models put in place to look like military targets.Commander Mykola Oleshchuk, writing on the Telegram messaging app, said the models depicted fighter aircraft and a surface-to-air missile battery.
They were put in place at an airfield near the central city of Kryvyi Rih and a district of the Black Sea port of Odesa.
A video attached to the post, described as footage from a Russian reconnaissance drone, showed what Commander Oleshchuk said were Russian Iskander missiles attacking the depictions.
“Air force personnel conducted passive defence measures!” Lieutenant-General Oleshchuk wrote.
“Thank you to everyone who helped with the top-quality mock-ups of aircraft and SAM systems. The enemy now has fewer Iskander missiles and more mock-ups will be delivered.”
Lt-Gen Oleshchuk said he went public with the deception “as an exception, to show the public that not everything is straightforward”.
The aircraft woukd have flown in thus attracting the attention of the russians. Satellites would have examined them.
I’ve seen something where the ukos jump in the aircraft and fly it in circles around the airfield if there’s a danger of inbound missiles
wookiemeister said:
One would assume the russians would have groups of people assigned to watch particular airfields and direct fire upon them.
The aircraft woukd have flown in thus attracting the attention of the russians. Satellites would have examined them.
By the same measure, you would have to assume that the Ukrainians take airfield defence seriously, and that their defence units don’t just sit around reading comic books while Russian observers camp comfortably on some convenient hilltop.
There’s a very strong possibility that they constantly mount patrols to counter just that sort of thing, and act on reports from local inhabitants of any suspicious actvity. Observers there may be, but their ability to maintain observation and to provide useful reports is unknown.
Aircraft can fly in. They may even park and get their picture taken by reconnaissance satellites, the orbits of which are known and predictable. Once that’s done, then under cover of darkness, or perhaps in a ‘shell game’ sort of shuffling activity, the real aircraft could be dispersed, and their places taken by convincing imitations, to give the Russians some encouragement.
Maybe the Ukrainians are just trying to put some positive spin on a bad outcome. Maybe they really did pull off a succesful deception.
One lesson in airfield defence that everyone is aware of since 7 Dec 1941 is: in a ‘hostilities likely or active’ time, you don’t park your aircraft where they can be easily hit in numbers. I don’t think that the Ukrainians would be so lax as to do that.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:One would assume the russians would have groups of people assigned to watch particular airfields and direct fire upon them.
The aircraft woukd have flown in thus attracting the attention of the russians. Satellites would have examined them.
By the same measure, you would have to assume that the Ukrainians take airfield defence seriously, and that their defence units don’t just sit around reading comic books while Russian observers camp comfortably on some convenient hilltop.
There’s a very strong possibility that they constantly mount patrols to counter just that sort of thing, and act on reports from local inhabitants of any suspicious actvity. Observers there may be, but their ability to maintain observation and to provide useful reports is unknown.
Aircraft can fly in. They may even park and get their picture taken by reconnaissance satellites, the orbits of which are known and predictable. Once that’s done, then under cover of darkness, or perhaps in a ‘shell game’ sort of shuffling activity, the real aircraft could be dispersed, and their places taken by convincing imitations, to give the Russians some encouragement.
Maybe the Ukrainians are just trying to put some positive spin on a bad outcome. Maybe they really did pull off a succesful deception.
One lesson in airfield defence that everyone is aware of since 7 Dec 1941 is: in a ‘hostilities likely or active’ time, you don’t park your aircraft where they can be easily hit in numbers. I don’t think that the Ukrainians would be so lax as to do that.
apparently the russian reconnaissance drone was hanging around for 3 hours.
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:One would assume the russians would have groups of people assigned to watch particular airfields and direct fire upon them.
The aircraft woukd have flown in thus attracting the attention of the russians. Satellites would have examined them.
By the same measure, you would have to assume that the Ukrainians take airfield defence seriously, and that their defence units don’t just sit around reading comic books while Russian observers camp comfortably on some convenient hilltop.
There’s a very strong possibility that they constantly mount patrols to counter just that sort of thing, and act on reports from local inhabitants of any suspicious actvity. Observers there may be, but their ability to maintain observation and to provide useful reports is unknown.
Aircraft can fly in. They may even park and get their picture taken by reconnaissance satellites, the orbits of which are known and predictable. Once that’s done, then under cover of darkness, or perhaps in a ‘shell game’ sort of shuffling activity, the real aircraft could be dispersed, and their places taken by convincing imitations, to give the Russians some encouragement.
Maybe the Ukrainians are just trying to put some positive spin on a bad outcome. Maybe they really did pull off a succesful deception.
One lesson in airfield defence that everyone is aware of since 7 Dec 1941 is: in a ‘hostilities likely or active’ time, you don’t park your aircraft where they can be easily hit in numbers. I don’t think that the Ukrainians would be so lax as to do that.
apparently the russian reconnaissance drone was hanging around for 3 hours.
Well, that would have made a deception difficult, unless the Russians were to accept that the aircraft were already there when the drone arrived.
Do we know who reported that the drone was around for 3 hours?
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:By the same measure, you would have to assume that the Ukrainians take airfield defence seriously, and that their defence units don’t just sit around reading comic books while Russian observers camp comfortably on some convenient hilltop.
There’s a very strong possibility that they constantly mount patrols to counter just that sort of thing, and act on reports from local inhabitants of any suspicious actvity. Observers there may be, but their ability to maintain observation and to provide useful reports is unknown.
Aircraft can fly in. They may even park and get their picture taken by reconnaissance satellites, the orbits of which are known and predictable. Once that’s done, then under cover of darkness, or perhaps in a ‘shell game’ sort of shuffling activity, the real aircraft could be dispersed, and their places taken by convincing imitations, to give the Russians some encouragement.
Maybe the Ukrainians are just trying to put some positive spin on a bad outcome. Maybe they really did pull off a succesful deception.
One lesson in airfield defence that everyone is aware of since 7 Dec 1941 is: in a ‘hostilities likely or active’ time, you don’t park your aircraft where they can be easily hit in numbers. I don’t think that the Ukrainians would be so lax as to do that.
apparently the russian reconnaissance drone was hanging around for 3 hours.
Well, that would have made a deception difficult, unless the Russians were to accept that the aircraft were already there when the drone arrived.
Do we know who reported that the drone was around for 3 hours?
can’t remember which youtube channel I heard it. either suchomimus or warthog. the former most likely.
here is suchomimus take on the strike. a few days old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSD-bJA6vR4&t=539s
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:Well, that would have made a deception difficult, unless the Russians were to accept that the aircraft were already there when the drone arrived.
Do we know who reported that the drone was around for 3 hours?
can’t remember which youtube channel I heard it. either suchomimus or warthog. the former most likely.
here is suchomimus take on the strike. a few days old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSD-bJA6vR4&t=539s
So, it seems likely that the Ukrainians lost one Su-27, but not likely more than that.
As the narrator says, it’s surprising that there’s no hardened aircraft shelters in place, which would at least protect aircraft from incidental damage, and make it a game of chance as to whether or not you’re aiming at a shelter with an aircraft in it.
Hell, even canvas ‘Quonset-hut’ type shelters over the parking bays would make missile targeting more difficult.
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:Well, that would have made a deception difficult, unless the Russians were to accept that the aircraft were already there when the drone arrived.
Do we know who reported that the drone was around for 3 hours?
can’t remember which youtube channel I heard it. either suchomimus or warthog. the former most likely.
here is suchomimus take on the strike. a few days old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSD-bJA6vR4&t=539s
So, it seems likely that the Ukrainians lost one Su-27, but not likely more than that.
As the narrator says, it’s surprising that there’s no hardened aircraft shelters in place, which would at least protect aircraft from incidental damage, and make it a game of chance as to whether or not you’re aiming at a shelter with an aircraft in it.
Hell, even canvas ‘Quonset-hut’ type shelters over the parking bays would make missile targeting more difficult.
no revetments could also be to trick the russian into thinking an easy target.
“We must acknowledge that the Taliban control the government in the country. In this sense, the Taliban are certainly our allies in the fight against terrorism, because any government is interested in stability in the state it governs. We have received signals from the Taliban movement multiple times indicating their readiness to collaborate with us on the anti-terrorism front,” said Putin.
July 7th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:
▪️Russian forces have taken control of the village of Chigari in the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Russian defence ministry has announced;
▪️Total losses of Ukrainian troops over the day amounted to up to 1,590 people, the Russian Defence Ministry said. It is noted that the units of the Russian Armed Forces occupied more favourable lines, the military of the Southern grouping improved its position on the front line, the troops of the Central grouping of the Russian Armed Forces improved their tactical position;
▪️Over the Voronezh region, air defence forces detected and destroyed several UAVs during the night, the fall of their debris caused a fire in one of the warehouses; in the Podgorensky district, explosive devices exploded, no one was injured, a state of emergency was declared in the district, Governor Gusev said;
▪️Over Melitopol, according to the operational services, five HIMARS MLRS missiles were shot down, the city authorities said;
▪️Four Ukrainian military men built a raft from empty plastic bottles, swam across the Dnieper from the right to the left bank and surrendered in the Kherson region, a source in the Russian security services said;
▪️Iskander missile launchers struck a battery of Ukrainian Patriot surface-to-air missile systems near the settlement of Yuzhnoye in the Odessa region, destroying two Patriot launchers and a radar station, the Russian Defence Ministry said;
▪️Russian forces struck overnight near the railway station of the town of Lozovaya in the Kharkov region, where a train carrying military equipment was stopped at a factory in the Kharkov region, and also destroyed an AFU position.
I do wonder how the Russians can count the Ukranian dead so accurately?
roughbarked said:
I do wonder how the Russians can count the Ukranian dead so accurately?
They use one of these.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
I do wonder how the Russians can count the Ukranian dead so accurately?
They use one of these.
So accurately is a bit exaggerated.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
I do wonder how the Russians can count the Ukranian dead so accurately?
They use one of these.
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
I do wonder how the Russians can count the Ukranian dead so accurately?
They use one of these.
More likely, one of these:
Tamb said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
I do wonder how the Russians can count the Ukranian dead so accurately?
They use one of these.
More likely, one of these:
roughbarked said:
I do wonder how the Russians can count the Ukranian dead so accurately?
They’re experts at making shit up ie. election results.
There seems to be somewhat of a consensus forming on the number of russian casualties from their invasion of Ukraine.
The Ukrainians claim a total of a bit over 500,000 casualties.
A few days ago, russian media outlets Meduza and Mediazona published their estimates of 120,000 russian soldiers killed, which when compared to the Ukrainian figures, puts the number of assumed injured at a pretty low 1:3 ratio. (NATO and other Western militaries operate at about 13 injured for each fatality)
And yesterday, The Economist quoted leaked US DoD documents stating an estimated 462,000 to 728,000 russian soldiers being killed, injured, or captured by mid-June.
I had always had a gut feeling that rather than being inflated, the Ukrainian totals were actually on the low side and these latest estimates show I may have been correct in that assumption.
MP Mariana Bezuglaya, a member of the Ukrainian National Security Committee, confirmed the losses of the OSU
in planes and air defense assets and again criticized the command of the Air Force, calling for their resignation.
Commenting on the recent Russian strikes on Mirgorod,
she stated:
“Only during the past day in the Poltava region, Russian reconnaissance drones flew freely, and our air defense and aviation were destroyed casually, as if in a shooting range or a computer game.”
She also explained why
two Patriot systems were lost.
“The first Patriot was destroyed because it was not moved at all, even though every military manual says so. After that, the second Patriot was destroyed because it was rarely moved and was not camouflaged, and this happened after the first one was destroyed. The local population knew where it was,
and no measures were taken”.
In addition, she said, “the ways of countering enemy drones that are now flying over a hundred kilometers have not been developed at all.”
She also accused Air Force Commander Oleschuk of inflating Russian losses.
“When the Russians launch five Shaheds during the attack, they are not shot down, and the command reports to the whole country that
ten were launched and five were shot”
According to her, the General Staff also registers the damaged Russian equipment as “destroyed”.
Another accusation from Bezuglaja is corruption in the Air Force.
“For a certain fee, someone can be assigned to air defense units, pay extra to be included in the list, without even appearing there. At the same time, real specialists are massively transferred to the infantry, which only leads to senseless death,” writes Bezuglaja.
She states that there are cases where Western air defense systems specialists were transferred to the infantry after their equipment was destroyed.
As a result, “Russia’s dominance in the air is increasing, these are the latest approaches, with drones, reconnaissance, which they have developed in addition to their classic resources with aircraft, air defense, satellites”.
She calls on the air force leadership to resign “following Yuri Sodol” (recently replaced as commander of the Joint Forces).
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.
Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
Cymek said:
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
I suspect that the Russians are playing a desperate game of catch-up. Ukraine deploys whatever weapons or systems the West sends to it, Russia makes efforts to capture intact or wrecked specimens, and does a crash programme to incorporate the new ideas and workings from those specimens into its own equipment.
It’s one reason why they were pinching all those washing machines back in the early days: the microchip controllers in them were quite adaptable to military uses, and rather better than a lot of the Russian-made stuff. Probably not as much of that going on now because (a) no washing machines left to steal, and (b) they’ve come to an arrangement with China.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
I suspect that the Russians are playing a desperate game of catch-up. Ukraine deploys whatever weapons or systems the West sends to it, Russia makes efforts to capture intact or wrecked specimens, and does a crash programme to incorporate the new ideas and workings from those specimens into its own equipment.
It’s one reason why they were pinching all those washing machines back in the early days: the microchip controllers in them were quite adaptable to military uses, and rather better than a lot of the Russian-made stuff. Probably not as much of that going on now because (a) no washing machines left to steal, and (b) they’ve come to an arrangement with China.
Cymek said:
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
I read recently that Biden has drawn his own red line – if russia uses a nuke in Ukraine, NATO/USA will clean the russian stain from Ukraine using conventional weapons.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
Bullshit
Your opinion.
But, here we are, with a citizen soldiery with hand-me-down Soviet weapons that managed to stop a ‘professional’ military well short of its objectives, for long enough for what’s claimed to be outdated Western weapons and systems to be deployed to the effect that the Russian ‘professional’ military has either been liquidated, or else withdrawn and replaced by mere cannon fodder, who are bogged down in a grinding, slaughtering, inch-by-inch advance against that same citizen soldiery.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
Bullshit
Can you be more specific?
The only speculation in that comment was the effectiveness of the modern US hardware. The US has Gen-5 aircraft, while russia has “Gen-5” aircraft.
May I present to you the jewel in the crown of Russia’s airforce – the SU-57. This is supposed to be a stealth craft.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
Bullshit
Your opinion.
But, here we are, with a citizen soldiery with hand-me-down Soviet weapons that managed to stop a ‘professional’ military well short of its objectives, for long enough for what’s claimed to be outdated Western weapons and systems to be deployed to the effect that the Russian ‘professional’ military has either been liquidated, or else withdrawn and replaced by mere cannon fodder, who are bogged down in a grinding, slaughtering, inch-by-inch advance against that same citizen soldiery.
You read about corruption as well and umpteen billions sequested away somewhere.
How sub standard are many weapons and only revealed if they are required to work under stressful conditions
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
Cymek said:
I assume until Ukraine, most military assets in the various skimishes of the last few decades were not under serious threat.Now everything is being tested in proper battlefields conditions with each side having roughly the same technological capability.
I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
exactly what weapons platforms do you mean? apart from the obvious advantage air superiority would have, we’re talking about a battle field that is covered in rows of dug in positions, anti-tank infrastructure and land mines… Ukraine taking back most of the land they have lost to the Russians is going to require either complete collapse of the Russian defense forces or their complete withdrawal. What technology buys Ukraine is time and it even outs the playing field despite the mismatch in troop numbers.
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
exactly what weapons platforms do you mean? apart from the obvious advantage air superiority would have, we’re talking about a battle field that is covered in rows of dug in positions, anti-tank infrastructure and land mines… Ukraine taking back most of the land they have lost to the Russians is going to require either complete collapse of the Russian defense forces or their complete withdrawal. What technology buys Ukraine is time and it even outs the playing field despite the mismatch in troop numbers.
Yes, you’re right. The Ukrainians may have to simply accept that what the Russians have, they’re going to keep, and be more or less thankful that they didn’t manage to roll over the whole country when all this started.
Perhaps what they’re really fighting for now is a settlement that will allow Ukraine to join NATO, which would pretty much ensure that the Russians stay behind whatever border results from this conflict.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
exactly what weapons platforms do you mean? apart from the obvious advantage air superiority would have, we’re talking about a battle field that is covered in rows of dug in positions, anti-tank infrastructure and land mines… Ukraine taking back most of the land they have lost to the Russians is going to require either complete collapse of the Russian defense forces or their complete withdrawal. What technology buys Ukraine is time and it even outs the playing field despite the mismatch in troop numbers.
Yes, you’re right. The Ukrainians may have to simply accept that what the Russians have, they’re going to keep, and be more or less thankful that they didn’t manage to roll over the whole country when all this started.
Perhaps what they’re really fighting for now is a settlement that will allow Ukraine to join NATO, which would pretty much ensure that the Russians stay behind whatever border results from this conflict.
Not sure they can, or even should, stop fighting.. Russia would love that shit… but in order to protect themselves from further aggression (as well as push Russian logistics well back into Russia whould would further dampen the fighting effort), Ukraine need a reliable and advanced air superiority platform – which is what the F16 should be.
As far as NATO membership goes I think it’s still gonna be a while; we may see a provisional candidacy or something like that but NATO’s defensive provisions mean that Ukraine can’t really join until it and Russia accept a position on the location of borders – which sucks, but that’s politics for you.
I’d love to see a change in Russian leadership and a total withdrawal of Russian troops, but still a lot to unwind in places like Donetsk and Crimea that have been under effective Russian control now for a decade and I’m sure many of the residents identify as Russian.
To be brutal, Ukraine will bleed to death before Russia does.
I’m sure that they’ll continue the fight until the Russians are in the mood for a sensible settlement, unlike the nonsense that Putin came out with last week. But, it would surely be in their own interests to enter into that, and put an end to the slaughter.
Once an armistice or whatever is in place, then, yes, there’ll be much wrangling about the final border. I wonder if it’d be possible to achieve a NATO security arrangement for those Ukrainian provinces and districts which are not involved in the border negotiations?
As for the population identifying as Russian: there’s probably enough Russian immigrants in Donetsk and Crimea by now to drown out any protestations of actually being Ukrainian.
https://youtu.be/mqzPFK7Ps90?
WW2 pilot on different aircraft
Interesting take on the Japanese zero
wookiemeister said:
https://youtu.be/mqzPFK7Ps90?WW2 pilot on different aircraft
Interesting take on the Japanese zero
Thanks for that, Winkle was an exceptional airman.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:I agree. Most wars in modern history have been pretty one sided – high tech against goat herders.
And even though this one appears to be pretty evenly matched, the elephant in the room is the hardware being used by the Ukrainians is mostly 30 year old tech that has been sitting in a warehouse for a decade.
Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
I read recently that Biden has drawn his own red line – if russia uses a nuke in Ukraine, NATO/USA will clean the russian stain from Ukraine using conventional weapons.
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:
captain_spalding said:Yet it’s good enough to keep the Russian military fighting desperately for every inch of ground, using the same sacrificial tactics that they used in WW2.
That emphasises how catastrophic it would be for the Russian military to do anything that would invoke a response from NATO. Can you imagine what NATO’s ‘new’ stuff would do to them?
exactly what weapons platforms do you mean? apart from the obvious advantage air superiority would have, we’re talking about a battle field that is covered in rows of dug in positions, anti-tank infrastructure and land mines… Ukraine taking back most of the land they have lost to the Russians is going to require either complete collapse of the Russian defense forces or their complete withdrawal. What technology buys Ukraine is time and it even outs the playing field despite the mismatch in troop numbers.
Yes, you’re right. The Ukrainians may have to simply accept that what the Russians have, they’re going to keep, and be more or less thankful that they didn’t manage to roll over the whole country when all this started.
Perhaps what they’re really fighting for now is a settlement that will allow Ukraine to join NATO, which would pretty much ensure that the Russians stay behind whatever border results from this conflict.
I’m sure Russia will be fooled again
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
https://youtu.be/mqzPFK7Ps90?WW2 pilot on different aircraft
Interesting take on the Japanese zero
Thanks for that, Winkle was an exceptional airman.
A metal coffin – no chance to bail out, no self sealing fuel tanks, no armoured seat. Had no idea
My take on it
Russia is going all the way to the border
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
https://youtu.be/mqzPFK7Ps90?WW2 pilot on different aircraft
Interesting take on the Japanese zero
Thanks for that, Winkle was an exceptional airman.
Yes, that was very interesting. Thanks, wookie.
I’ve always found it interesting that Germany maintains a strong naval air arm, although they’ven ever had an operational aircraft carrier.
Yet, Australia, which, for one brief halcyon period had three aircraft carriers in commission, today has no fixed-wing Fleet Air Arm.
The RAAF sulked terribly when it looked like a lot of the helicopter force was to be taken from them, and given to the Army, and, to mollify them, they were given assurances that, in future, if it had fixed wings, it would be theirs, a situation which they guard most jealously.
You would not believe the intensity of the campaign they mounted in Canberra to convince anyone they could corner that F-35s could not possibly be operated from HMAS Adelaide and HMAS Canberra. Despite the the fact that the Spanish (who built the ships) planned to do just that, from identical ships.
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:
wookiemeister said:
https://youtu.be/mqzPFK7Ps90?WW2 pilot on different aircraft
Interesting take on the Japanese zero
Thanks for that, Winkle was an exceptional airman.
Yes, that was very interesting. Thanks, wookie.
I’ve always found it interesting that Germany maintains a strong naval air arm, although they’ven ever had an operational aircraft carrier.
Yet, Australia, which, for one brief halcyon period had three aircraft carriers in commission, today has no fixed-wing Fleet Air Arm.
The RAAF sulked terribly when it looked like a lot of the helicopter force was to be taken from them, and given to the Army, and, to mollify them, they were given assurances that, in future, if it had fixed wings, it would be theirs, a situation which they guard most jealously.
You would not believe the intensity of the campaign they mounted in Canberra to convince anyone they could corner that F-35s could not possibly be operated from HMAS Adelaide and HMAS Canberra. Despite the the fact that the Spanish (who built the ships) planned to do just that, from identical ships.
wookiemeister said:
https://youtu.be/mqzPFK7Ps90?WW2 pilot on different aircraft
Interesting take on the Japanese zero
Oh, the Zero conformed to the Japanese mantra ofthe time, which was ‘manoeuvrability above all else’.
Light construction, the wing spars built as integral parts of the fuselage, no armour, very low wing-loading, the lightest of fuel tanks, everything was aimed at achieving maximum manoeuvrability. Pilots flew without parachutes, partly to save weight, and partly the bravado of ‘fighting to the death’.
The problem with the light construction was that, if a Japanese pilot was careless enough to get into the sights of an Allied aircraft, even a light bursto f fire would shatterthe plane, or set it alight.
Later variants did have some armour, self-sealing fuel tanks, and imrpoved guns, but by then, almost all the experienced pilots were dead, and the new measures did little to save the inexperienced and undertrained pilots who followed them.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
diddly-squat said:exactly what weapons platforms do you mean? apart from the obvious advantage air superiority would have, we’re talking about a battle field that is covered in rows of dug in positions, anti-tank infrastructure and land mines… Ukraine taking back most of the land they have lost to the Russians is going to require either complete collapse of the Russian defense forces or their complete withdrawal. What technology buys Ukraine is time and it even outs the playing field despite the mismatch in troop numbers.
Yes, you’re right. The Ukrainians may have to simply accept that what the Russians have, they’re going to keep, and be more or less thankful that they didn’t manage to roll over the whole country when all this started.
Perhaps what they’re really fighting for now is a settlement that will allow Ukraine to join NATO, which would pretty much ensure that the Russians stay behind whatever border results from this conflict.
YeahI’m sure Russia will be fooled again
Well, they were fooled into believing that they’d occupy the whole of Ukraine in a matter of days, so i reckon you could sell them the Harbour Bridge.
wookiemeister said:
My take on itRussia is going all the way to the border
Shouldn’t be difficult. It’s only a few km behind them.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
Peak Warming Man said:Thanks for that, Winkle was an exceptional airman.
Yes, that was very interesting. Thanks, wookie.
I’ve always found it interesting that Germany maintains a strong naval air arm, although they’ven ever had an operational aircraft carrier.
Yet, Australia, which, for one brief halcyon period had three aircraft carriers in commission, today has no fixed-wing Fleet Air Arm.
The RAAF sulked terribly when it looked like a lot of the helicopter force was to be taken from them, and given to the Army, and, to mollify them, they were given assurances that, in future, if it had fixed wings, it would be theirs, a situation which they guard most jealously.
You would not believe the intensity of the campaign they mounted in Canberra to convince anyone they could corner that F-35s could not possibly be operated from HMAS Adelaide and HMAS Canberra. Despite the the fact that the Spanish (who built the ships) planned to do just that, from identical ships.
Maybe in the future the Spanish could build an armada for Australia, or at least for its future corporate form that sells valuable stuff for peanuts
They’ve been building it for a while now. Navantia have a strong relationship with Australia.
russia has just performed a massive missile attack on Kyiv, current death toll is 20 dead and 50 injured and the death toll will no doubt increase when they finish sifting through the rubble of Ukraine’s largest children’s hospital.
It’s like every time they achieve a limitation on Ukraine’s use of Western weapons, they go and fuck it up. Photos of random limbs in the street and blood-splattered hospital walls attract a lot of sympathy.
Time to forment an open rebellion in Koningsberg an kick the Russian out of that place. As a bit of a distraction.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Yes, you’re right. The Ukrainians may have to simply accept that what the Russians have, they’re going to keep, and be more or less thankful that they didn’t manage to roll over the whole country when all this started.
Perhaps what they’re really fighting for now is a settlement that will allow Ukraine to join NATO, which would pretty much ensure that the Russians stay behind whatever border results from this conflict.
YeahI’m sure Russia will be fooled again
Well, they were fooled into believing that they’d occupy the whole of Ukraine in a matter of days, so i reckon you could sell them the Harbour Bridge.
Even if you broke it first.
party_pants said:
Time to forment an open rebellion in Koningsberg an kick the Russian out of that place. As a bit of a distraction.
Just go the whole hog and assassinate Putin. Zelensky might happily trade his own death in retaliation for the sake of his country.
Eric Winkle Brown said that Erich Hartmann said of the Russians: “The tactical naivety of the Russians was unbelievable”.
8thJuly. Key updates:
▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
▪️ The Russian Ministry of Defense reported a group strike with long-range high-precision weapons on Ukraine’s military-industrial facilities and airbases of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
▪️ Statements from Kiev about deliberate strikes on civilian targets are not true; the destruction was caused by the fall of a Ukrainian air defense missile, the ministry clarified.
▪️ Russian forces destroyed three HIMARS MLRS launchers and up to 10 foreign specialists who were servicing them, according to the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ During the special operation, more than 400 cases of Ukraine using non-lethal toxic chemicals were recorded, said the head of the RCB Troops, Kirillov.
▪️ The US, Germany, Ukraine, and the OPCW technical secretariat are preparing a special investigation to accuse Russia of allegedly using chemical weapons in Ukraine, Kirillov noted.
▪️ Hungarian Prime Minister Orban, who previously visited Kiev and Moscow as part of his “peace mission,” made a visit to Beijing and met with Chinese President Xi Jinping.
▪️ The Chinese President stated that it is important to prevent the escalation of the conflict in Ukraine and that the international community should create conditions and facilitate the resumption of direct dialogue between Moscow and Kiev.
▪️ Zelensky and Polish Prime Minister Tusk signed a 10-year security agreement.
▪️ Zelensky’s office stated that under this agreement, Poland will consider the possibility of transferring at least one squadron of MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine, and it also includes the development of a mechanism for intercepting missiles in Ukrainian airspace.
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
A Ukrainian farmer with a tractor might do it.
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ During the special operation, more than 400 cases of Ukraine using non-lethal toxic chemicals were recorded, said the head of the RCB Troops, Kirillov.
This needs clarification and evidence.
Simply using smoke shells from aritllery, to create a smoke screen, is technically ‘using non-lethal toxic chemicals’. Substances commonly used (as in, used by military forces in many places, including Russia) in smoke shells include zinc chloride, chlorosulphuric acid, and titanium tetrachloride, all of which are deemed ‘toxic’ to some degree.
So, further specifics are needed to lend credence to this report.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
I bet the Ukes regret getting rid of theirs…
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
not so sure about that – they are a pretty effective at creating mass destruction which make them very useful at destroying large targets.
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
not so sure about that – they are a pretty effective at creating mass destruction which make them very useful at destroying large targets.
Ian said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
I bet the Ukes regret getting rid of theirs…
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
Russia 1994 guarantees Ukraine’s security, was there any time limit?
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
not so sure about that – they are a pretty effective at creating mass destruction which make them very useful at destroying large targets.
If they could be used without retaliation they would be useful.
If you wanted to win a war with them on the battlefield as opposed to nuking the enemies cities would it work.
How many would be needed say in this war to wipe out all Ukrainian forces, dozens perhaps.
You then have all the fallout and radiation to deal with, yeah you won a radiated hell hole
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:
Cymek said:Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
I bet the Ukes regret getting rid of theirs…
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
Russia 1994 guarantees Ukraine’s security, was there any time limit?
Dunno. Russia doesn’t care obviously.
Tamb said:
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
not so sure about that – they are a pretty effective at creating mass destruction which make them very useful at destroying large targets.
MAD is still an effective deterrent.
as Alfred E. Neuman would say “what, me worry?”
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
not so sure about that – they are a pretty effective at creating mass destruction which make them very useful at destroying large targets.
If they could be used without retaliation they would be useful.
If you wanted to win a war with them on the battlefield as opposed to nuking the enemies cities would it work.
How many would be needed say in this war to wipe out all Ukrainian forces, dozens perhaps.
You then have all the fallout and radiation to deal with, yeah you won a radiated hell hole
Not sure the Russians would use a strategic nuclear weapon to “take out” troops (they are just too dispersed).. that’s more of the tactical style approach, where the aim is to create a hole in your enemy’s lines and then rush through it.
That said, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if Russia used a low yield tactical style weapon on the battle field in Ukraine if they were significantly challenged in Crimea just as a show of strength.
Heres what Russia (and Belarus) agreed to in the Budapest Memorandum:
1. Respect the signatory’s independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4.Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”.
5. Not to use nuclear weapons against any non – nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.
What marks out of 10 for Russia’s adherence to the agreement it signed?
captain_spalding said:
Heres what Russia (and Belarus) agreed to in the Budapest Memorandum:1. Respect the signatory’s independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4.Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”.
5. Not to use nuclear weapons against any non – nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
6. Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.
What marks out of 10 for Russia’s adherence to the agreement it signed?
What’s the T80 count?
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:not so sure about that – they are a pretty effective at creating mass destruction which make them very useful at destroying large targets.
If they could be used without retaliation they would be useful.
If you wanted to win a war with them on the battlefield as opposed to nuking the enemies cities would it work.
How many would be needed say in this war to wipe out all Ukrainian forces, dozens perhaps.
You then have all the fallout and radiation to deal with, yeah you won a radiated hell hole
Not sure the Russians would use a strategic nuclear weapon to “take out” troops (they are just too dispersed).. that’s more of the tactical style approach, where the aim is to create a hole in your enemy’s lines and then rush through it.
That said, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if Russia used a low yield tactical style weapon on the battle field in Ukraine if they were significantly challenged in Crimea just as a show of strength.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine, it wants the land and resources. The only practical use for a nuke is to drop one on Kyiv as a step towards achieving that.
Tau.Neutrino said:
What’s the T80 count?
Reducing.
Speaking about figures.
What is the cost of Putins war against expected financial outcomes.
Will Putins war exceed those outcomes?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Speaking about figures.What is the cost of Putins war against expected financial outcomes.
Will Putins war exceed those outcomes?
Putin sees the war as a no-cost operation, in that he is not paying for it personally.
The Russian state pays for the soldiers and the weapons. Doesn’t impact on his bank accounts one tiny bit.
Whatever spoils he can reap from the outcome, that’s profit for him.
Tau.Neutrino said:
What’s the T80 count?
4 T80B, 573 T80BV, 4 T80BVK, 36 T80BV, 98 T80U, 2 T80UK,7 T80UE-1,1 T80UM2, 125 T 80BVM, 21 Unknown T80.
JudgeMental said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
What’s the T80 count?
4 T80B, 573 T80BV, 4 T80BVK, 36 T80BV, 98 T80U, 2 T80UK,7 T80UE-1,1 T80UM2, 125 T 80BVM, 21 Unknown T80.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:If they could be used without retaliation they would be useful.
If you wanted to win a war with them on the battlefield as opposed to nuking the enemies cities would it work.
How many would be needed say in this war to wipe out all Ukrainian forces, dozens perhaps.
You then have all the fallout and radiation to deal with, yeah you won a radiated hell hole
Not sure the Russians would use a strategic nuclear weapon to “take out” troops (they are just too dispersed).. that’s more of the tactical style approach, where the aim is to create a hole in your enemy’s lines and then rush through it.
That said, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if Russia used a low yield tactical style weapon on the battle field in Ukraine if they were significantly challenged in Crimea just as a show of strength.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine, it wants the land and resources. The only practical use for a nuke is to drop one on Kyiv as a step towards achieving that.
maybe… but that feels like a bridge too far.. I think any attack on a civilian centre like that would likely draw the rest of the world into the conflict.. I guess I’m wondering if Russia feels there is a point that wouldn’t cross that particular line.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Speaking about figures.What is the cost of Putins war against expected financial outcomes.
Will Putins war exceed those outcomes?
The cost, to Russia is everything. Even if they stop now, the damage has been done.
They’ve had a stagnant population growth for the last 20 years, which results in fewer “younger” people to keep the economy going to look after the “older” people. There are estimates that russia has lost 2% of their 20-50yo demographic.
This war has resulted in stricter international sanctions, meaning less stuff coming in. Sanctions won’t be lifted any time soon.
It’s also crippled their major exports – weapons and hydrocarbons. Nobody wants their junk military hardware, and it will take decades to get back to pre-war oil production.
The women are being encouraged to do their bit for the war and pump out babies. This will put a further drain on the system for another decade or two until those babies can be productive.
China will, of course, offer assistance in the forms of skills and manpower to rebuild. After all, why go to war when you can just “take over”?
Russia also stole how many Ukranian children?
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:Not sure the Russians would use a strategic nuclear weapon to “take out” troops (they are just too dispersed).. that’s more of the tactical style approach, where the aim is to create a hole in your enemy’s lines and then rush through it.
That said, I wouldn’t fall off my chair if Russia used a low yield tactical style weapon on the battle field in Ukraine if they were significantly challenged in Crimea just as a show of strength.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine, it wants the land and resources. The only practical use for a nuke is to drop one on Kyiv as a step towards achieving that.
maybe… but that feels like a bridge too far.. I think any attack on a civilian centre like that would likely draw the rest of the world into the conflict.. I guess I’m wondering if Russia feels there is a point that wouldn’t cross that particular line.
They won’t do it, of course, but it is realistically the only practical use.
Biden has made it clear that the use of even a single nuke will result in Ukraine being wiped clean of russians. I would also bet there was a counter-claim by russia about NATO weapons being used on russian airfields.
Dark Orange said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Speaking about figures.What is the cost of Putins war against expected financial outcomes.
Will Putins war exceed those outcomes?
The cost, to Russia is everything. Even if they stop now, the damage has been done.
They’ve had a stagnant population growth for the last 20 years, which results in fewer “younger” people to keep the economy going to look after the “older” people. There are estimates that russia has lost 2% of their 20-50yo demographic.
This war has resulted in stricter international sanctions, meaning less stuff coming in. Sanctions won’t be lifted any time soon.
It’s also crippled their major exports – weapons and hydrocarbons. Nobody wants their junk military hardware, and it will take decades to get back to pre-war oil production.
The women are being encouraged to do their bit for the war and pump out babies. This will put a further drain on the system for another decade or two until those babies can be productive.
China will, of course, offer assistance in the forms of skills and manpower to rebuild. After all, why go to war when you can just “take over”?
It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
roughbarked said:
Russia also stole how many Ukranian children?
Russia claims to have “rescued” 300,000 Ukrainian children from the warzone. I think those claims were inflated for the domestic audience, but half that is not an unrealistic number.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:Russia doesn’t want Ukraine, it wants the land and resources. The only practical use for a nuke is to drop one on Kyiv as a step towards achieving that.
maybe… but that feels like a bridge too far.. I think any attack on a civilian centre like that would likely draw the rest of the world into the conflict.. I guess I’m wondering if Russia feels there is a point that wouldn’t cross that particular line.
They won’t do it, of course, but it is realistically the only practical use.
Biden has made it clear that the use of even a single nuke will result in Ukraine being wiped clean of russians. I would also bet there was a counter-claim by russia about NATO weapons being used on russian airfields.
I’ll be honest.. I thought Putin was too pragmatic to invade in the first place.. it seems to me that if he feels cornered he’ll lash out and I thin Crimea is his red line
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Speaking about figures.What is the cost of Putins war against expected financial outcomes.
Will Putins war exceed those outcomes?
The cost, to Russia is everything. Even if they stop now, the damage has been done.
They’ve had a stagnant population growth for the last 20 years, which results in fewer “younger” people to keep the economy going to look after the “older” people. There are estimates that russia has lost 2% of their 20-50yo demographic.
This war has resulted in stricter international sanctions, meaning less stuff coming in. Sanctions won’t be lifted any time soon.
It’s also crippled their major exports – weapons and hydrocarbons. Nobody wants their junk military hardware, and it will take decades to get back to pre-war oil production.
The women are being encouraged to do their bit for the war and pump out babies. This will put a further drain on the system for another decade or two until those babies can be productive.
China will, of course, offer assistance in the forms of skills and manpower to rebuild. After all, why go to war when you can just “take over”?
It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:The cost, to Russia is everything. Even if they stop now, the damage has been done.
They’ve had a stagnant population growth for the last 20 years, which results in fewer “younger” people to keep the economy going to look after the “older” people. There are estimates that russia has lost 2% of their 20-50yo demographic.
This war has resulted in stricter international sanctions, meaning less stuff coming in. Sanctions won’t be lifted any time soon.
It’s also crippled their major exports – weapons and hydrocarbons. Nobody wants their junk military hardware, and it will take decades to get back to pre-war oil production.
The women are being encouraged to do their bit for the war and pump out babies. This will put a further drain on the system for another decade or two until those babies can be productive.
China will, of course, offer assistance in the forms of skills and manpower to rebuild. After all, why go to war when you can just “take over”?
It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
Ukraine is rich in everything Russia can sell.
Dark Orange said:
roughbarked said:
Russia also stole how many Ukranian children?
Russia claims to have “rescued” 300,000 Ukrainian children from the warzone. I think those claims were inflated for the domestic audience, but half that is not an unrealistic number.
It has added a large number of younger people to the population though.
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:maybe… but that feels like a bridge too far.. I think any attack on a civilian centre like that would likely draw the rest of the world into the conflict.. I guess I’m wondering if Russia feels there is a point that wouldn’t cross that particular line.
They won’t do it, of course, but it is realistically the only practical use.
Biden has made it clear that the use of even a single nuke will result in Ukraine being wiped clean of russians. I would also bet there was a counter-claim by russia about NATO weapons being used on russian airfields.
I’ll be honest.. I thought Putin was too pragmatic to invade in the first place.. it seems to me that if he feels cornered he’ll lash out and I thin Crimea is his red line
Yeah, he got too cocky after his recent military successes, and the Ukes did just fold when they last invaded.
He’s on his “hail mary” phase of the war, just hoping that Ukraine runs out of men before russia does.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
Ukraine is rich in everything Russia can sell.
How well though would that work even if they win.
I imagine it would not be hard to wreck anything sellable
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
I have been seeing reports of that around, and the interesting thing is that the commentators I read who would normally be cheering at the ballsy attempt, regardless of its success think the story is complete fabrication. Even superficially, it doesn’t make sense.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:The cost, to Russia is everything. Even if they stop now, the damage has been done.
They’ve had a stagnant population growth for the last 20 years, which results in fewer “younger” people to keep the economy going to look after the “older” people. There are estimates that russia has lost 2% of their 20-50yo demographic.
This war has resulted in stricter international sanctions, meaning less stuff coming in. Sanctions won’t be lifted any time soon.
It’s also crippled their major exports – weapons and hydrocarbons. Nobody wants their junk military hardware, and it will take decades to get back to pre-war oil production.
The women are being encouraged to do their bit for the war and pump out babies. This will put a further drain on the system for another decade or two until those babies can be productive.
China will, of course, offer assistance in the forms of skills and manpower to rebuild. After all, why go to war when you can just “take over”?
It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:The cost, to Russia is everything. Even if they stop now, the damage has been done.
They’ve had a stagnant population growth for the last 20 years, which results in fewer “younger” people to keep the economy going to look after the “older” people. There are estimates that russia has lost 2% of their 20-50yo demographic.
This war has resulted in stricter international sanctions, meaning less stuff coming in. Sanctions won’t be lifted any time soon.
It’s also crippled their major exports – weapons and hydrocarbons. Nobody wants their junk military hardware, and it will take decades to get back to pre-war oil production.
The women are being encouraged to do their bit for the war and pump out babies. This will put a further drain on the system for another decade or two until those babies can be productive.
China will, of course, offer assistance in the forms of skills and manpower to rebuild. After all, why go to war when you can just “take over”?
It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
I’m not sure it was economic growth that was the driver here… I think Putin just wanted his empire back
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
I’m not sure it was economic growth that was the driver here… I think Putin just wanted his empire back
He comes across as pining for the old days, MTSUGA
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
I have been seeing reports of that around, and the interesting thing is that the commentators I read who would normally be cheering at the ballsy attempt, regardless of its success think the story is complete fabrication. Even superficially, it doesn’t make sense.
other than to say that they can, there’s not too much in it for Ukraine to do this.. what do they want with a platform they can use maintain?
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
I’m not sure it was economic growth that was the driver here… I think Putin just wanted his empire back
He comes across as pining for the old days, MTSUGA
Old men who are annoyed how society has changed even though its not like they aren’t still major players.
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
diddly-squat said:It’s not as though Russia was even a financial powerhouse before the invasion.. their GDP is barely larger than that of Australia
…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
I’m not sure it was economic growth that was the driver here… I think Putin just wanted his empire back
He also wanted some pretext for staying in power for life, beyond “I don’t want to ever actually be held to account for my lifetime of murder, thievery and total corruption etc”.
Russia is paying for dearly for investing in their sicko “strongman”.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
I’m not sure it was economic growth that was the driver here… I think Putin just wanted his empire back
He also wanted some pretext for staying in power for life, beyond “I don’t want to ever actually be held to account for my lifetime of murder, thievery and total corruption etc”.
Russia is paying for dearly for investing in their sicko “strongman”.
Subtract the first “for” from the last sentence.
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:…which is why they wanted all that wonderful rich soil in Ukraine.
I’m not sure it was economic growth that was the driver here… I think Putin just wanted his empire back
He also wanted some pretext for staying in power for life, beyond “I don’t want to ever actually be held to account for my lifetime of murder, thievery and total corruption etc”.
Russia is paying for dearly for investing in their sicko “strongman”.
diddly-squat said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
8thJuly. Key updates:▪️ The FSB of Russia has thwarted an attempt by Ukrainian intelligence services to recruit a Russian pilot and hijack a Tu-22M3 strategic bomber, a carrier of nuclear weapons.
I have been seeing reports of that around, and the interesting thing is that the commentators I read who would normally be cheering at the ballsy attempt, regardless of its success think the story is complete fabrication. Even superficially, it doesn’t make sense.
other than to say that they can, there’s not too much in it for Ukraine to do this.. what do they want with a platform they can use maintain?
It’s one airframe and two pilots taken off the board.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
diddly-squat said:I’m not sure it was economic growth that was the driver here… I think Putin just wanted his empire back
He also wanted some pretext for staying in power for life, beyond “I don’t want to ever actually be held to account for my lifetime of murder, thievery and total corruption etc”.
Russia is paying for dearly for investing in their sicko “strongman”.
It’s the Russian way.
I’m still hoping one day they might realise: “Hey, all those generations of dictators haven’t really done us much good – maybe the West has the right idea with all these fair elections and stuff.”
Mind you, the USA may soon be needing to learn those lessons again too.
Bubblecar said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:He also wanted some pretext for staying in power for life, beyond “I don’t want to ever actually be held to account for my lifetime of murder, thievery and total corruption etc”.
Russia is paying for dearly for investing in their sicko “strongman”.
It’s the Russian way.
I’m still hoping one day they might realise: “Hey, all those generations of dictators haven’t really done us much good – maybe the West has the right idea with all these fair elections and stuff.”
Mind you, the USA may soon be needing to learn those lessons again too.
Humans aren’t exactly mature enough as a species to even start making communism work
Ian said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:well, yes, it can carry nuclear weapons.
So can a wide variety of aircraft. It doesn’t mean that that’s what they carry all the time.
In fact, it’s the Tu22s that have been carrying Russia’s biggest ‘conventional explosives’ bomb, so nicking one of those would be a plus in more ways than one.
The line is written to suggest that Ukraine has some hidden intent to use nuclear weapons. If that were the case, they wouldn’t need to ‘hijack’ a plane from the Russians.
There’s still 1950s-design A4 Skyhawks flying about, which are quite capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, as are a range of succeeding Western attack aircraft. You don’t actually need a strategic bomber, Russian or otherwise.
Nukes aren’t really useful except as a deterrent
I bet the Ukes regret getting rid of theirs…
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
The problem is way too many people have bought into the old trope of the untermenschen theory of the Germans. Germany is back to having its panzers rolling around Russia again and paying dearly for it. When the Americans blew up.the gas pipelines from Russia they blew up Germany’s industrial and economic success. Australia can’t even take advantage of its natural gas resources bevause its all taken by corporations so we are in the same boat – de-industrialised relying on what little we can squeeze out of the corporations and ponzi scheme immigration/ real estate.
Sad
The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
Perhaps we should support provision of air defenses to all governing bodies that govern hospitals that are attacked by hostile forces¡
Dark Orange said:
The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
There’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
SCIENCE said:
Perhaps we should support provision of air defenses to all governing bodies that govern hospitals that are attacked by hostile forces¡
Write to your local MP demanding Australian troops/ navy / airforce be sent to Ukraine ASAP.
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
NSAMS missile strike on hospitalThere’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
Where can we see the pics, please, wookie?
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
NSAMS missile strike on hospitalThere’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
Where can we see the pics, please, wookie?
Hahahaha
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
NSAMS missile strike on hospitalThere’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
Where can we see the pics, please, wookie?
Its an ongoing problem
Ukrainian SAMs falling on residential districts.
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:NSAMS missile strike on hospital
There’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
Where can we see the pics, please, wookie?
Go out on the internet – if you dare
If you know where they are, how about you save me a lot of time, and avoid me perhaps finding the wrong pictures and misinterpreting them?
wookiemeister said:
Its an ongoing problemUkrainian SAMs falling on residential districts.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story
Did a Ukrainian SAM fall on a Hospital – Ryan McBeth
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYHO8MmAzcU
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
NSAMS missile strike on hospitalThere’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
Where can we see the pics, please, wookie?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-kyiv-childrens-hospital-was-hit-by-anti-missile-fire-not-by-russia-2024-07-09/
The Ukrainian Security Service has said fragments of the rear part of a Kh-101, with a serial number, were recovered at the site, as well as part of the guidance system.
who to believe? Hmmmm
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
captain_spalding said:Where can we see the pics, please, wookie?
Go out on the internet – if you dare
If you know where they are, how about you save me a lot of time, and avoid me perhaps finding the wrong pictures and misinterpreting them?
do your own research. the catch cry of every nutter.
wookiemeister said:
Its an ongoing problemUkrainian SAMs falling on residential districts.
So, it was, in your estimation, an unfortunate accident, perhaps caused by wreckage from an intercepted (by Russian defences), or even a defective, missile?
Yet a few days ago, you declined to consider that possibility for the casualties caused on a Crimean beach, apparently preferring to believe no explanation other than the deliberate and precise use of a $1.5 million dollar missile in a ‘terror’ attack on a very small number of civilians, some of whom would have probably considered themselveto be Ukrainian.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Its an ongoing problemUkrainian SAMs falling on residential districts.
So, it was, in your estimation, an unfortunate accident, perhaps caused by wreckage from an intercepted (by Russian defences), or even a defective, missile?
Yet a few days ago, you declined to consider that possibility for the casualties caused on a Crimean beach, apparently preferring to believe no explanation other than the deliberate and precise use of a $1.5 million dollar missile in a ‘terror’ attack on a very small number of civilians, some of whom would have probably considered themselveto be Ukrainian.
Even if it was the result of a failed SAM (which is wasn’t), the only reason Ukraine would be firing valuable assets (that both costly and scarce) would be to defend itself against an incoming attack.
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:Go out on the internet – if you dare
If you know where they are, how about you save me a lot of time, and avoid me perhaps finding the wrong pictures and misinterpreting them?
do your own research. the catch cry of every nutter.
Well, he’s made a claim, stated that there is evidence to support that claim which is accessible on the internet, but is either unwilling or unable to say where that evidence can be examined, and thus verify his claim.
That’s a very doubtful way to behave.
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:
Its an ongoing problemUkrainian SAMs falling on residential districts.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story
Did a Ukrainian SAM fall on a Hospital – Ryan McBeth
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYHO8MmAzcU
as he says an 18kg, mainly fragmentation, warhead is going to do that much damage.
you can see shrapnel damage to the other building. some sam that is.
JudgeMental said:
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:
Its an ongoing problemUkrainian SAMs falling on residential districts.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story
Did a Ukrainian SAM fall on a Hospital – Ryan McBeth
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYHO8MmAzcU
as he says an 18kg, mainly fragmentation, warhead is not going to do that much damage.
you can see shrapnel damage to the other building. some sam that is.
added a not.
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
diddly-squat said:Don’t let facts get in the way of a good story
Did a Ukrainian SAM fall on a Hospital – Ryan McBeth
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYHO8MmAzcU
as he says an 18kg, mainly fragmentation, warhead is not going to do that much damage.
you can see shrapnel damage to the other building. some sam that is.
added a not.
I like his channel, his analysis is methodical (he works in cyber intelligence) and he has a military background as well so most of what he says has clear context.
Remember When That Rocket Exploded In The Hospital Courtyard But It Totally Wasn’t The Occupiers And It Totally Wasn’t The Occupied ¿¡
July 9th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:
▪️The Russian military has liberated the settlement of Yasnobrodovka in the Donetsk people’s republic, the Defence Ministry has said.
▪️The Russian military destroyed 4 HIMARS MLRS prepared for strikes on Crimea, the Defence Ministry said.
▪️The Southern Group of the Russian Armed Forces has tested the Scorpion-M robotic kamikaze drone in combat.
▪️Russia is not striking civilian targets during the special operation in Ukraine, Peskov said.
▪️The story about the children’s hospital in Kiev is a “Jesuit PR operation on blood,” Peskov told Pavel Zarubin, noting that Kiev is using it as a backdrop for Zelensky’s participation in the NATO summit.
▪️India is ready for any assistance for peace in Ukraine, Modi said during his visit to Moscow.
▪️NATO is still debating over the wording on Ukraine’s path into the alliance, which will be presented in a communiqué following the summit in Washington, Defence News said.
▪️Moscow will follow the NATO summit in Washington as closely as possible, Peskov said.
▪️Serbia is not involved in arming any of the parties to the conflict in Ukraine, Deputy Prime Minister Vulin has said.
wookiemeister said:
▪️Russia is not striking civilian targets during the special operation in Ukraine, Peskov said.
Well, someone is, and i don’t think it’s Ukraine.
Maybe Russia doesn’t mean to strike civilian targets, but that’s a lot different to saying that they’re not doing it.
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Bloody italics.
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Bloody italics.
There. Did that fix it?
Will it be Murdoch-proof ¿
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Bloody italics.
There. Did that fix it?
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
That may have fixed it.
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Bloody italics.
There. Did that fix it?
You’ve done well
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
Got to feel a bit sorry for the Klingon Russian empires decline
Cymek said:
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
Got to feel a bit sorry for the
KlingonRussian empires decline
They said the same about the Briti… wait ah shit.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
There you go, applying logic to Russian ideas. That never works.
captain_spalding said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
There you go, applying logic to Russian ideas. That never works.
How many troops would you need to occupy the Ukraine to ensure you can exploit it without everyone being blown up by insurgents.
The Ukraine people will still be around and likely supplied with weapons useful for that sort of fighting
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:▪️Russia is not striking civilian targets during the special operation in Ukraine, Peskov said.
Well, someone is, and i don’t think it’s Ukraine.
Maybe Russia doesn’t mean to strike civilian targets, but that’s a lot different to saying that they’re not doing it.
One in every 10 hospitals in Ukraine has been directly damaged by missiles.
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukrainian-hospitals-have-been-repeatedly-targeted-by-russia-the-latest-attack-is-not-a-coincidence-1134
Trump Proof NATO.
Yep, good forward thinking.
It might make a good slogan too, for the Democrats.
We will Trump Proof the Future.
We will make schools Trump Proof.
We will Trump Proof The Supreme Court of the United States, Congress and the Senate.
Something like that.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:▪️Russia is not striking civilian targets during the special operation in Ukraine, Peskov said.
Well, someone is, and i don’t think it’s Ukraine.
Maybe Russia doesn’t mean to strike civilian targets, but that’s a lot different to saying that they’re not doing it.
One in every 10 hospitals in Ukraine has been directly damaged by missiles.
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/ukrainian-hospitals-have-been-repeatedly-targeted-by-russia-the-latest-attack-is-not-a-coincidence-1134
Well, i did think it more likely that the Russians are actually targetting things like hospitals.
Well, bombing that children’s hospital has coma back and bitten russia on the arse.
The U.S. and an array of other NATO allies will send Ukraine dozens of air defense systems in the coming months, including at least four of the powerful Patriot systems that Kyiv has been desperately seeking to help fight off Russian advances in the war, according to a new joint agreement.President Joe Biden announced the broader commitment when he spoke Tuesday at the opening of the NATO summit in Washington.
According to the statement, the U.S., Germany and Romania will send Ukraine additional Patriot batteries, while the Netherlands and others will provide Patriot components to make up one more battery. Italy will provide a SAMP-T air defense system.
Other allies, including Canada, Norway, Spain and the United Kingdom, will provide a number of other systems that will help Ukraine expand its coverage. Those systems include NASAMS, HAWKs, IRIS T-SLM, IRIS T-SLS and Gepards. And other nations have agreed to provide munitions for those systems.
I read today that russia has released a statement that the pilot that launched the missile that targeted the hospital has committed suicide and has conveniently left a suicide note. No mention of how many shots to the back of the head he received but at least he saved mother russia the embarrassment of a trial at the Hague.
Dark Orange said:
Well, bombing that children’s hospital has coma back and bitten russia on the arse.
The U.S. and an array of other NATO allies will send Ukraine dozens of air defense systems in the coming months, including at least four of the powerful Patriot systems that Kyiv has been desperately seeking to help fight off Russian advances in the war, according to a new joint agreement.President Joe Biden announced the broader commitment when he spoke Tuesday at the opening of the NATO summit in Washington.
According to the statement, the U.S., Germany and Romania will send Ukraine additional Patriot batteries, while the Netherlands and others will provide Patriot components to make up one more battery. Italy will provide a SAMP-T air defense system.
Other allies, including Canada, Norway, Spain and the United Kingdom, will provide a number of other systems that will help Ukraine expand its coverage. Those systems include NASAMS, HAWKs, IRIS T-SLM, IRIS T-SLS and Gepards. And other nations have agreed to provide munitions for those systems.
I read today that russia has released a statement that the pilot that launched the missile that targeted the hospital has committed suicide and has conveniently left a suicide note. No mention of how many shots to the back of the head he received but at least he saved mother russia the embarrassment of a trial at the Hague.
Interesting 19 minute video on the Australian Developed Slinger anti drone system
Australia Just Dealt Russia a CRUSHING Blow!
Ukraine is about to get a game-changing weapon system: the Australian-developed Slinger. This cutting-edge technology is set to revolutionize drone warfare by combating low-tech, lethal drones. Discover why the Slinger is crucial for Ukraine’s frontline, with its 30mm Bushmaster chain gun and advanced detection systems. Learn about its unparalleled capabilities and strategic advantage. Stay tuned as we delve into the details of this formidable counter-drone system! 🚁🇺🇦🔫
#Ukraine #Slinger #DroneWarfare #MilitaryTechnology #Australia #Defense #Innovation #UkraineConflict #DroneDefense #MilitaryStrategy #TechRevolution #FrontlineDefense #CounterDrone #CuttingEdge #ElectroOpticSystems #RadarTechnology #Bushmaster #MilitaryAdvantage #Geopolitics #WarTech #TechSpecs #WeaponSystems #DroneKillers #FPVDrones #AdvancedWeaponry #DefenseNews #HighTech #ModernWarfare #CombatPower #StrategicTech #WarZone #TechExplained #MilitaryUpdates #UkraineRussiaWar #themilitaryshow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfiQfdjiJOw
SOURCES: https://pastebin.com/59XaYnEp
Tau.Neutrino said:
Interesting 19 minute video on the Australian Developed Slinger anti drone systemAustralia Just Dealt Russia a CRUSHING Blow!
Ukraine is about to get a game-changing weapon system: the Australian-developed Slinger. This cutting-edge technology is set to revolutionize drone warfare by combating low-tech, lethal drones. Discover why the Slinger is crucial for Ukraine’s frontline, with its 30mm Bushmaster chain gun and advanced detection systems. Learn about its unparalleled capabilities and strategic advantage. Stay tuned as we delve into the details of this formidable counter-drone system! 🚁🇺🇦🔫
#Ukraine #Slinger #DroneWarfare #MilitaryTechnology #Australia #Defense #Innovation #UkraineConflict #DroneDefense #MilitaryStrategy #TechRevolution #FrontlineDefense #CounterDrone #CuttingEdge #ElectroOpticSystems #RadarTechnology #Bushmaster #MilitaryAdvantage #Geopolitics #WarTech #TechSpecs #WeaponSystems #DroneKillers #FPVDrones #AdvancedWeaponry #DefenseNews #HighTech #ModernWarfare #CombatPower #StrategicTech #WarZone #TechExplained #MilitaryUpdates #UkraineRussiaWar #themilitaryshow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfiQfdjiJOw
SOURCES: https://pastebin.com/59XaYnEp
I have a feeling they’ve been in Ukraine for months, but have not heard anything about them.
Maybe the base hardware has been used, and the smart stuff to make it revolutionary is just getting there.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Interesting 19 minute video on the Australian Developed Slinger anti drone systemAustralia Just Dealt Russia a CRUSHING Blow!
Ukraine is about to get a game-changing weapon system: the Australian-developed Slinger. This cutting-edge technology is set to revolutionize drone warfare by combating low-tech, lethal drones. Discover why the Slinger is crucial for Ukraine’s frontline, with its 30mm Bushmaster chain gun and advanced detection systems. Learn about its unparalleled capabilities and strategic advantage. Stay tuned as we delve into the details of this formidable counter-drone system! 🚁🇺🇦🔫
#Ukraine #Slinger #DroneWarfare #MilitaryTechnology #Australia #Defense #Innovation #UkraineConflict #DroneDefense #MilitaryStrategy #TechRevolution #FrontlineDefense #CounterDrone #CuttingEdge #ElectroOpticSystems #RadarTechnology #Bushmaster #MilitaryAdvantage #Geopolitics #WarTech #TechSpecs #WeaponSystems #DroneKillers #FPVDrones #AdvancedWeaponry #DefenseNews #HighTech #ModernWarfare #CombatPower #StrategicTech #WarZone #TechExplained #MilitaryUpdates #UkraineRussiaWar #themilitaryshow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfiQfdjiJOw
SOURCES: https://pastebin.com/59XaYnEp
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Interesting 19 minute video on the Australian Developed Slinger anti drone systemAustralia Just Dealt Russia a CRUSHING Blow!
Ukraine is about to get a game-changing weapon system: the Australian-developed Slinger. This cutting-edge technology is set to revolutionize drone warfare by combating low-tech, lethal drones. Discover why the Slinger is crucial for Ukraine’s frontline, with its 30mm Bushmaster chain gun and advanced detection systems. Learn about its unparalleled capabilities and strategic advantage. Stay tuned as we delve into the details of this formidable counter-drone system! 🚁🇺🇦🔫
#Ukraine #Slinger #DroneWarfare #MilitaryTechnology #Australia #Defense #Innovation #UkraineConflict #DroneDefense #MilitaryStrategy #TechRevolution #FrontlineDefense #CounterDrone #CuttingEdge #ElectroOpticSystems #RadarTechnology #Bushmaster #MilitaryAdvantage #Geopolitics #WarTech #TechSpecs #WeaponSystems #DroneKillers #FPVDrones #AdvancedWeaponry #DefenseNews #HighTech #ModernWarfare #CombatPower #StrategicTech #WarZone #TechExplained #MilitaryUpdates #UkraineRussiaWar #themilitaryshow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfiQfdjiJOw
SOURCES: https://pastebin.com/59XaYnEp
The system could be extended by drones fitted with the optical detection system flying 5k -10 k up +
You could have drones higher up relaying communicating with satellites as a way of getting around any jamming.
July 10th.
▪️Russian forces in Ukraine have destroyed three launchers of the improved HAWK anti-aircraft missile system, shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jet and also hit the storage depots of the AFU’s unmanned boats, the defence ministry said.
▪️The cumulative losses of Ukrainian troops over the day totalled up to 2,100, the Defence Ministry said in a statement.
▪️One person was killed and nine civilians wounded when the AFU shelled the town of Shebekino, said Gladkov, the governor of the Belgorod region.
▪️Russia’s Federal Security Service foiled an attempt by Ukrainian security services to carry out a terrorist attack on Russia’s aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, in Murmansk, the agency said.
▪️Russia’s Federal Security Service also foiled an attempt by Ukrainian special services to assassinate three senior Russian servicemen in Moscow, the security service said.
▪️The US and its allies are providing more than $1 billion to strengthen Ukraine’s air defence systems, Washington and its partners said in a joint statement.
▪️The US and allies are now sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine, which will arrive in Kiev this summer, Blinken said.
▪️The strike hit a UAV and ammunition depot near a railway station in Voznesensk, in Nikolaev region.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Interesting 19 minute video on the Australian Developed Slinger anti drone systemAustralia Just Dealt Russia a CRUSHING Blow!
Ukraine is about to get a game-changing weapon system: the Australian-developed Slinger. This cutting-edge technology is set to revolutionize drone warfare by combating low-tech, lethal drones. Discover why the Slinger is crucial for Ukraine’s frontline, with its 30mm Bushmaster chain gun and advanced detection systems. Learn about its unparalleled capabilities and strategic advantage. Stay tuned as we delve into the details of this formidable counter-drone system! 🚁🇺🇦🔫
#Ukraine #Slinger #DroneWarfare #MilitaryTechnology #Australia #Defense #Innovation #UkraineConflict #DroneDefense #MilitaryStrategy #TechRevolution #FrontlineDefense #CounterDrone #CuttingEdge #ElectroOpticSystems #RadarTechnology #Bushmaster #MilitaryAdvantage #Geopolitics #WarTech #TechSpecs #WeaponSystems #DroneKillers #FPVDrones #AdvancedWeaponry #DefenseNews #HighTech #ModernWarfare #CombatPower #StrategicTech #WarZone #TechExplained #MilitaryUpdates #UkraineRussiaWar #themilitaryshow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfiQfdjiJOw
SOURCES: https://pastebin.com/59XaYnEp
The system could be extended by drones fitted with the optical detection system flying 5k -10 k up +You could have drones higher up relaying communicating with satellites as a way of getting around any jamming.
SCIENCE said:
captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
My understanding It has to do mostly with geography. Russia is primarily interested in protecting Moscow. There are natural barriers (defining Russia’s borders in most cases) surrounding Moscow on every side (except to the West) which either make it very difficult to invade (Siberia/Ural Mountains to the East, the Arctic to the North, various mountain ranges to the south) or which force and invading army into a very tight space (for example narrow passes going north into Russia from Gerogia through the Caucus mountains, or south into Russia through that narrow strip of land which I don’t know the name of from newly minted NATO member Finland) which force the invading army into a small space and is much easier for Russia to defend against.
To the west of Moscow, though, there’s no natural barriers like this, just lots of open flat land. Invading armies from the west can approach Moscow from any angle they choose, from multiple angles at once if they choose, which is very difficult to defend against. So in the absence of mountains or inhospitable terrains/environments as a barrier Russia pushes for distance – the further west of Moscow that the border exists, the more time they will have to respond to and intercept invading armies from the west.
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
My understanding It has to do mostly with geography. Russia is primarily interested in protecting Moscow. There are natural barriers (defining Russia’s borders in most cases) surrounding Moscow on every side (except to the West) which either make it very difficult to invade (Siberia/Ural Mountains to the East, the Arctic to the North, various mountain ranges to the south) or which force and invading army into a very tight space (for example narrow passes going north into Russia from Gerogia through the Caucus mountains, or south into Russia through that narrow strip of land which I don’t know the name of from newly minted NATO member Finland) which force the invading army into a small space and is much easier for Russia to defend against.
To the west of Moscow, though, there’s no natural barriers like this, just lots of open flat land. Invading armies from the west can approach Moscow from any angle they choose, from multiple angles at once if they choose, which is very difficult to defend against. So in the absence of mountains or inhospitable terrains/environments as a barrier Russia pushes for distance – the further west of Moscow that the border exists, the more time they will have to respond to and intercept invading armies from the west.
I suppose then that they have yet to learn that the west doesn’t want Russia but China wants it more.
wookiemeister said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:The system could be extended by drones fitted with the optical detection system flying 5k -10 k up +
You could have drones higher up relaying communicating with satellites as a way of getting around any jamming.
The russians jam starlink and other communication systems.
Elon jammed starlink. I suppose you might call him rushing.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Interesting 19 minute video on the Australian Developed Slinger anti drone systemAustralia Just Dealt Russia a CRUSHING Blow!
Ukraine is about to get a game-changing weapon system: the Australian-developed Slinger. This cutting-edge technology is set to revolutionize drone warfare by combating low-tech, lethal drones. Discover why the Slinger is crucial for Ukraine’s frontline, with its 30mm Bushmaster chain gun and advanced detection systems. Learn about its unparalleled capabilities and strategic advantage. Stay tuned as we delve into the details of this formidable counter-drone system! 🚁🇺🇦🔫
#Ukraine #Slinger #DroneWarfare #MilitaryTechnology #Australia #Defense #Innovation #UkraineConflict #DroneDefense #MilitaryStrategy #TechRevolution #FrontlineDefense #CounterDrone #CuttingEdge #ElectroOpticSystems #RadarTechnology #Bushmaster #MilitaryAdvantage #Geopolitics #WarTech #TechSpecs #WeaponSystems #DroneKillers #FPVDrones #AdvancedWeaponry #DefenseNews #HighTech #ModernWarfare #CombatPower #StrategicTech #WarZone #TechExplained #MilitaryUpdates #UkraineRussiaWar #themilitaryshow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfiQfdjiJOw
SOURCES: https://pastebin.com/59XaYnEp
Australia sent these to Ukraine quite a while back. It is not new news at all.
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:captain_spalding said:
The NATO meeting seems to have Russia/Putin worried.
With President Biden quite strident in his support for Ukraine, and the British PM seeking to institute a ‘Trump-proof’ programme of support for Ukraine, and, as Peskov himself suggests, some possible moves towards Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership, things might not be working out quite as advantageously as Vlad might have hoped.
If Russia doesn’t subdue Ukraine entirely, then Ukraine’s eventual NATO membership will (a) contradict Putin’s stated aim of not having Russia’s borders with NATO increased (shh, don’t anyone mention the new 1,340km (832-mile) Finnish NATO border), and (b) leave him with no-one to push around except Belarus, and that’s too easy to be any fun.
Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
My understanding It has to do mostly with geography. Russia is primarily interested in protecting Moscow. There are natural barriers (defining Russia’s borders in most cases) surrounding Moscow on every side (except to the West) which either make it very difficult to invade (Siberia/Ural Mountains to the East, the Arctic to the North, various mountain ranges to the south) or which force and invading army into a very tight space (for example narrow passes going north into Russia from Gerogia through the Caucus mountains, or south into Russia through that narrow strip of land which I don’t know the name of from newly minted NATO member Finland) which force the invading army into a small space and is much easier for Russia to defend against.
To the west of Moscow, though, there’s no natural barriers like this, just lots of open flat land. Invading armies from the west can approach Moscow from any angle they choose, from multiple angles at once if they choose, which is very difficult to defend against. So in the absence of mountains or inhospitable terrains/environments as a barrier Russia pushes for distance – the further west of Moscow that the border exists, the more time they will have to respond to and intercept invading armies from the west.
My guesses are given rapid immigration, crime, implosion in the economies of Europe, iits a waiting game for Russia, in a few short years Australia will be gone too – swallowed up by the stupidity and greed of the population, immigration just accelerates the process.
roughbarked said:
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
My understanding It has to do mostly with geography. Russia is primarily interested in protecting Moscow. There are natural barriers (defining Russia’s borders in most cases) surrounding Moscow on every side (except to the West) which either make it very difficult to invade (Siberia/Ural Mountains to the East, the Arctic to the North, various mountain ranges to the south) or which force and invading army into a very tight space (for example narrow passes going north into Russia from Gerogia through the Caucus mountains, or south into Russia through that narrow strip of land which I don’t know the name of from newly minted NATO member Finland) which force the invading army into a small space and is much easier for Russia to defend against.
To the west of Moscow, though, there’s no natural barriers like this, just lots of open flat land. Invading armies from the west can approach Moscow from any angle they choose, from multiple angles at once if they choose, which is very difficult to defend against. So in the absence of mountains or inhospitable terrains/environments as a barrier Russia pushes for distance – the further west of Moscow that the border exists, the more time they will have to respond to and intercept invading armies from the west.
I suppose then that they have yet to learn that the west doesn’t want Russia but China wants it more.
That may be true today but in 10 years, 20, 30 years, who knows? Geopolitics is an ever shifting game and NATO has already demonstrated a willingness to go beyond its “purely a defensive alliance” remit in places like Libya and Yugoslavia.
wookiemeister said:
esselte said:
SCIENCE said:Sorry we don’t understand, when UA becomes RU, surely that will be an even larger addition of 1390.74 km by which Russia’s borders with NATO increased ¿
My understanding It has to do mostly with geography. Russia is primarily interested in protecting Moscow. There are natural barriers (defining Russia’s borders in most cases) surrounding Moscow on every side (except to the West) which either make it very difficult to invade (Siberia/Ural Mountains to the East, the Arctic to the North, various mountain ranges to the south) or which force and invading army into a very tight space (for example narrow passes going north into Russia from Gerogia through the Caucus mountains, or south into Russia through that narrow strip of land which I don’t know the name of from newly minted NATO member Finland) which force the invading army into a small space and is much easier for Russia to defend against.
To the west of Moscow, though, there’s no natural barriers like this, just lots of open flat land. Invading armies from the west can approach Moscow from any angle they choose, from multiple angles at once if they choose, which is very difficult to defend against. So in the absence of mountains or inhospitable terrains/environments as a barrier Russia pushes for distance – the further west of Moscow that the border exists, the more time they will have to respond to and intercept invading armies from the west.
Which was why the soviet union didn’t want NATO expanding west.My guesses are given rapid immigration, crime, implosion in the economies of Europe, iits a waiting game for Russia, in a few short years Australia will be gone too – swallowed up by the stupidity and greed of the population, immigration just accelerates the process.
Don’t you mean NATO expanding eastwards rather than westwards?
esselte said:
roughbarked said:
esselte said:My understanding It has to do mostly with geography. Russia is primarily interested in protecting Moscow. There are natural barriers (defining Russia’s borders in most cases) surrounding Moscow on every side (except to the West) which either make it very difficult to invade (Siberia/Ural Mountains to the East, the Arctic to the North, various mountain ranges to the south) or which force and invading army into a very tight space (for example narrow passes going north into Russia from Gerogia through the Caucus mountains, or south into Russia through that narrow strip of land which I don’t know the name of from newly minted NATO member Finland) which force the invading army into a small space and is much easier for Russia to defend against.
To the west of Moscow, though, there’s no natural barriers like this, just lots of open flat land. Invading armies from the west can approach Moscow from any angle they choose, from multiple angles at once if they choose, which is very difficult to defend against. So in the absence of mountains or inhospitable terrains/environments as a barrier Russia pushes for distance – the further west of Moscow that the border exists, the more time they will have to respond to and intercept invading armies from the west.
I suppose then that they have yet to learn that the west doesn’t want Russia but China wants it more.
That may be true today but in 10 years, 20, 30 years, who knows? Geopolitics is an ever shifting game and NATO has already demonstrated a willingness to go beyond its “purely a defensive alliance” remit in places like Libya and Yugoslavia.
Who kmows what the future holds down the track? The course of history shows that the future can be changable.
The word on the street is that F-16s will be delivered to Ukraine in “2-4 weeks”, with many country’s deliveries coming not soon after.
My predictions:
The Ukes will play it safe at first, concentrating on getting the pilots used to their new machines by defending the cities from incoming missiles.
As the pilots get more hours up, we may see a russian AWACS splashed – these are high value targets and are surprisingly vulnerable. (It’s no good being able to see the launch of the missile coming at you if your fighter escorts can’t)
There’ll also likely be a simultaneous attack on air fields by British supplied stormshadows as soon as the A50 is neutralised.
Dark Orange said:
The word on the street is that F-16s will be delivered to Ukraine in “2-4 weeks”, with many country’s deliveries coming not soon after.
My predictions:
The Ukes will play it safe at first, concentrating on getting the pilots used to their new machines by defending the cities from incoming missiles.
As the pilots get more hours up, we may see a russian AWACS splashed – these are high value targets and are surprisingly vulnerable. (It’s no good being able to see the launch of the missile coming at you if your fighter escorts can’t)There’ll also likely be a simultaneous attack on air fields by British supplied stormshadows as soon as the A50 is neutralised.
FWIW it takes a good 6 – 12 months on a new type to really get proficient on it.
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:The word on the street is that F-16s will be delivered to Ukraine in “2-4 weeks”, with many country’s deliveries coming not soon after.
My predictions:
The Ukes will play it safe at first, concentrating on getting the pilots used to their new machines by defending the cities from incoming missiles.
As the pilots get more hours up, we may see a russian AWACS splashed – these are high value targets and are surprisingly vulnerable. (It’s no good being able to see the launch of the missile coming at you if your fighter escorts can’t)There’ll also likely be a simultaneous attack on air fields by British supplied stormshadows as soon as the A50 is neutralised.
FWIW it takes a good 6 – 12 months on a new type to really get proficient on it.
I thought they’ve already been quietly training F-16 pilots abroad for the last year or so.
Meanwhile, the guys on the ground are doing good work.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3884114-sbu-forces-destroy-30-russian-tanks12-air-defense-systems-in-two-weeks.html
“Over the two weeks, the special forces of the Security Service have hit with attack drones and other firepower 30 tanks, 43 IFVs; 56 artillery systems and MLR systems; 12 air defense systems; eight e-warfare systems; and 461 vehicles,” the report says.
They also claim to have taken out 235 enemy fortifications and firing positions, 11 ammunition and fuel depots and 485 Russian invaders.
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:The word on the street is that F-16s will be delivered to Ukraine in “2-4 weeks”, with many country’s deliveries coming not soon after.
My predictions:
The Ukes will play it safe at first, concentrating on getting the pilots used to their new machines by defending the cities from incoming missiles.
As the pilots get more hours up, we may see a russian AWACS splashed – these are high value targets and are surprisingly vulnerable. (It’s no good being able to see the launch of the missile coming at you if your fighter escorts can’t)There’ll also likely be a simultaneous attack on air fields by British supplied stormshadows as soon as the A50 is neutralised.
FWIW it takes a good 6 – 12 months on a new type to really get proficient on it.
They’ve been training for 6 months.
Last night, Russian army hit Ukrainian targets in the Sumy region and in Zaporozhie city; Ukrainian army claimed it shot down six Russian drones in the Lvov and Ternopol regions;
Last night, a Ukrainian drone was shot down in the Moscow region, the mayor Sergey Sobianin informed;
A civilian was killed and three more were injured this morning as a result of an attacks of Ukrainian drones in the village of Rzhevka in the Belgorod region, the governor Vyacheslav Gladkov reported;
Russian troops captured Yevgenovka village in the Donetsk People’s Republic, Ukrainian military channels recognized;
Fighting continues in Volchansk city; the Russian army crossed the Volchya River, creating a bridgehead in the west of the city and starting battles near the railway station, war correspondent Yevgeny Lisitsyn informed;
China a “decisive enabler” of the Ukraine war, the final NATO’s communique at the summit in Washington stated.
Last June, disabled Ukrainian war veterans recorded an appeal to Zelensky requesting not to sell the state-owned “Dniproprotez” prosthetic factory.
It was previously reported that this state-owned factory located in Dnepropetrovsk (Dnipro) city was put up for privatization.
Their concern is quite understandable, because the new owners for sure will raise the prostheses’ price.
Still, despite the protests, the Dniproprotez will be privatized, Ukrainian media reported yesterday. And its price will be reduced.
Privatization at any cost is what US advisers recommended in Russia in the 90s and in Ukraine since the 90s. And Zelensky will never contradict US advisers.
Dark Orange said:
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:The word on the street is that F-16s will be delivered to Ukraine in “2-4 weeks”, with many country’s deliveries coming not soon after.
My predictions:
The Ukes will play it safe at first, concentrating on getting the pilots used to their new machines by defending the cities from incoming missiles.
As the pilots get more hours up, we may see a russian AWACS splashed – these are high value targets and are surprisingly vulnerable. (It’s no good being able to see the launch of the missile coming at you if your fighter escorts can’t)There’ll also likely be a simultaneous attack on air fields by British supplied stormshadows as soon as the A50 is neutralised.
FWIW it takes a good 6 – 12 months on a new type to really get proficient on it.
They’ve been training for 6 months.
And now I know, ta!
party_pants said:
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:The word on the street is that F-16s will be delivered to Ukraine in “2-4 weeks”, with many country’s deliveries coming not soon after.
My predictions:
The Ukes will play it safe at first, concentrating on getting the pilots used to their new machines by defending the cities from incoming missiles.
As the pilots get more hours up, we may see a russian AWACS splashed – these are high value targets and are surprisingly vulnerable. (It’s no good being able to see the launch of the missile coming at you if your fighter escorts can’t)There’ll also likely be a simultaneous attack on air fields by British supplied stormshadows as soon as the A50 is neutralised.
FWIW it takes a good 6 – 12 months on a new type to really get proficient on it.
I thought they’ve already been quietly training F-16 pilots abroad for the last year or so.
Yep.
Dark Orange said:
They’ve been training for 6 months.
They’ve actually been at it for rather longerthan that.
Before they set eyes on an F-16, they were given aviation-specific English language lessons, and were given training and refreshers with experienced RAF instructors, learning general handling procedures, instrument flying, medium and low-level navigation, and formation flying.
They’ve been training on F-16s in Denmark, and Denmark, the Netherlands, and the United States will be supplying F-16s, and possibly Norway as well.
Spiny Norman said:
Dark Orange said:
Spiny Norman said:FWIW it takes a good 6 – 12 months on a new type to really get proficient on it.
They’ve been training for 6 months.
And now I know, ta!
The first batch of 4 pilots started training in the US late October last year, and another 4 arrived in January. The first batch has completed training and the second batch by the end of August, and there are plans for a total of 12 pilots to be trained by the end of the year.
There are other pilots being trained in other countries and the Ukes plan on having 20 pilots by the end of the year.
I have also read somewhere that there are Ukrainians enrolled in flight schools to be the new wave of pilots.
But, we should never lose sight of the fact that at least some of the F-16s will be destroyed by the Russians, and young Ukrainians may well die in them.
Supporters of the Russians will make much of the destruction of F-16s, but losses are inevitable. They’re not invincible or indestructible, and no-one is claiming that they are.
captain_spalding said:
But, we should never lose sight of the fact that at least some of the F-16s will be destroyed by the Russians, and young Ukrainians may well die in them.Supporters of the Russians will make much of the destruction of F-16s, but losses are inevitable. They’re not invincible or indestructible, and no-one is claiming that they are.
Yep.
captain_spalding said:
But, we should never lose sight of the fact that at least some of the F-16s will be destroyed by the Russians, and young Ukrainians may well die in them.Supporters of the Russians will make much of the destruction of F-16s, but losses are inevitable. They’re not invincible or indestructible, and no-one is claiming that they are.
They are by no means the best available western fighter aircraft. They are only getting these because the donor countries have recently upgraded to something better. They are near the end of their life-cycles and were probably going to be scrapped anyway.
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
But, we should never lose sight of the fact that at least some of the F-16s will be destroyed by the Russians, and young Ukrainians may well die in them.Supporters of the Russians will make much of the destruction of F-16s, but losses are inevitable. They’re not invincible or indestructible, and no-one is claiming that they are.
They are by no means the best available western fighter aircraft. They are only getting these because the donor countries have recently upgraded to something better. They are near the end of their life-cycles and were probably going to be scrapped anyway.
Ukraine said “No thanks” to Sweden’s offer of Gripens due to the logistical issues of maintaining two platforms. Perun (Youtube) advocates the use of the Gripen, mostly for the armaments available for it but there is a lot to be said for hardware that is cheap and plentiful.
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
But, we should never lose sight of the fact that at least some of the F-16s will be destroyed by the Russians, and young Ukrainians may well die in them.Supporters of the Russians will make much of the destruction of F-16s, but losses are inevitable. They’re not invincible or indestructible, and no-one is claiming that they are.
They are by no means the best available western fighter aircraft. They are only getting these because the donor countries have recently upgraded to something better. They are near the end of their life-cycles and were probably going to be scrapped anyway.
Ukraine said “No thanks” to Sweden’s offer of Gripens due to the logistical issues of maintaining two platforms. Perun (Youtube) advocates the use of the Gripen, mostly for the armaments available for it but there is a lot to be said for hardware that is cheap and plentiful.
F-16s are certainly not the latest and greatest fighter plane.
But, they’re still VERY agile aircraft, able to fight with anything the Russians can put in the air, they’re not easy to shoot down, and they can deliver a hefty attack load.
Don’t write off fighters because they’re not latest-generation.
There’s a couple of outfits in the US that fly ex-military jets on contract to provide USAF and USN aviators with realistic air combat opponents. The contract pilots are all ex-military, and one firm’s fleet includes A-4 Skyhawks that used to belong to the RAN. Most of the pilots are qualified on a number of aircraft.
One ofthe pilots was interviewed and asked, if he had to go to war, which plane would be his choice? Without hesitation, he said ‘a Skyhawk. Maybe update the avionics, but definitely a Skyhawk’.
The S500 Prometheus
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/ukraine-to-australia-we-don-t-want-your-flying-trash-20240130-p5f0zo
Last year, as Ukrainian fighter pilots were desperately trying to avoid being shot down by Russian aircraft equipped with longer-range radars, a senior Ukraine Air Force official told two Australians in Kyiv he wasn’t interested in a donation of 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighters.
“We don’t want your flying trash,” he said, according to a person present.
wookiemeister said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/ukraine-to-australia-we-don-t-want-your-flying-trash-20240130-p5f0zoLast year, as Ukrainian fighter pilots were desperately trying to avoid being shot down by Russian aircraft equipped with longer-range radars, a senior Ukraine Air Force official told two Australians in Kyiv he wasn’t interested in a donation of 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighters.
“We don’t want your flying trash,” he said, according to a person present.
_
Whenever you hear “according to a person present” , you know it is made up.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:They are by no means the best available western fighter aircraft. They are only getting these because the donor countries have recently upgraded to something better. They are near the end of their life-cycles and were probably going to be scrapped anyway.
Ukraine said “No thanks” to Sweden’s offer of Gripens due to the logistical issues of maintaining two platforms. Perun (Youtube) advocates the use of the Gripen, mostly for the armaments available for it but there is a lot to be said for hardware that is cheap and plentiful.
F-16s are certainly not the latest and greatest fighter plane.
But, they’re still VERY agile aircraft, able to fight with anything the Russians can put in the air, they’re not easy to shoot down, and they can deliver a hefty attack load.
Don’t write off fighters because they’re not latest-generation.
There’s a couple of outfits in the US that fly ex-military jets on contract to provide USAF and USN aviators with realistic air combat opponents. The contract pilots are all ex-military, and one firm’s fleet includes A-4 Skyhawks that used to belong to the RAN. Most of the pilots are qualified on a number of aircraft.
One ofthe pilots was interviewed and asked, if he had to go to war, which plane would be his choice? Without hesitation, he said ‘a Skyhawk. Maybe update the avionics, but definitely a Skyhawk’.
One big factor that doesn’t get discussed enough is not so much which aircraft is better, but which crew is trained best.
In one corner you have largely untrained but combat experienced russian pilots who’s experience are mostly flying towards the border, releasing their glide bombs or missiles before fucking off back to base. There’s a good chance they have never encountered anything more hostile than static air defence.
In the other, you have combat experienced Ukrainian pilots who have now completed extensive training in air combat.
Although having said that, I doubt we will see dogfights any time soon.
wookiemeister said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/ukraine-to-australia-we-don-t-want-your-flying-trash-20240130-p5f0zoLast year, as Ukrainian fighter pilots were desperately trying to avoid being shot down by Russian aircraft equipped with longer-range radars, a senior Ukraine Air Force official told two Australians in Kyiv he wasn’t interested in a donation of 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighters.
“We don’t want your flying trash,” he said, according to a person present.
No, i can’t see the rest of that article, either.
19 shillings said:
wookiemeister said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/ukraine-to-australia-we-don-t-want-your-flying-trash-20240130-p5f0zoLast year, as Ukrainian fighter pilots were desperately trying to avoid being shot down by Russian aircraft equipped with longer-range radars, a senior Ukraine Air Force official told two Australians in Kyiv he wasn’t interested in a donation of 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighters.
“We don’t want your flying trash,” he said, according to a person present.
_
Whenever you hear “according to a person present” , you know it is made up.
It was thoroughly debunked. The Australian Government ruled out supplying them to Ukraine back in 2023, an Ukraine never asked for them.
It was a pet peeve for a few people that Australia should donate them, but not anybody who is involved in such a process on either side. Maybe the Ukraine airforce person was talking to journalists who kept asking the question long after it was decided it was a no-show at official level. Maybe he was just pissed off with clueless journos.
wookiemeister said:
The S500 Prometheus
“Artist’s Impression, now considered extinct in the wild.”
.. and the same goes for the Eurotrash helicopters Australia have just retired from service and started scrapping.
Frst question from any journo – “why aren’t we sending them to Ukraine?”
party_pants said:
19 shillings said:
wookiemeister said:
https://www.afr.com/policy/foreign-affairs/ukraine-to-australia-we-don-t-want-your-flying-trash-20240130-p5f0zoLast year, as Ukrainian fighter pilots were desperately trying to avoid being shot down by Russian aircraft equipped with longer-range radars, a senior Ukraine Air Force official told two Australians in Kyiv he wasn’t interested in a donation of 41 retired F/A-18 Hornet fighters.
“We don’t want your flying trash,” he said, according to a person present.
_
Whenever you hear “according to a person present” , you know it is made up.
It was thoroughly debunked. The Australian Government ruled out supplying them to Ukraine back in 2023, an Ukraine never asked for them.
It was a pet peeve for a few people that Australia should donate them, but not anybody who is involved in such a process on either side. Maybe the Ukraine airforce person was talking to journalists who kept asking the question long after it was decided it was a no-show at official level. Maybe he was just pissed off with clueless journos.
also Ukraine was worried about supporting two different aircraft.
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
19 shillings said:_
Whenever you hear “according to a person present” , you know it is made up.
It was thoroughly debunked. The Australian Government ruled out supplying them to Ukraine back in 2023, an Ukraine never asked for them.
It was a pet peeve for a few people that Australia should donate them, but not anybody who is involved in such a process on either side. Maybe the Ukraine airforce person was talking to journalists who kept asking the question long after it was decided it was a no-show at official level. Maybe he was just pissed off with clueless journos.
also Ukraine was worried about supporting two different aircraft.
We had a fleet of about 70. We already sold 40 of them to Canada – the ones in best condition. Not all of the rest are even in a flyable condition.
party_pants said:
.. and the same goes for the Eurotrash helicopters Australia have just retired from service and started scrapping.Frst question from any journo – “why aren’t we sending them to Ukraine?”
It’s a good question.
They could have been lethal to at least some Russians.
Having a large helicopter crash on top of you is bound to do some degree of damage.
The dentist revealed he had a case where a patient had ‘plaque, tartar, and decay everywhere’ with several loose teeth held together with building materials.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/health/article-13622991/dr-sam-koh-Australian-dentist-horrifying-results-patients-DIY.html
wookiemeister said:
The dentist revealed he had a case where a patient had ‘plaque, tartar, and decay everywhere’ with several loose teeth held together with building materials.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/health/article-13622991/dr-sam-koh-Australian-dentist-horrifying-results-patients-DIY.html
Surely you realise that the daily fail is just another one of Murdochs propaganda bullshit rags?
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
The dentist revealed he had a case where a patient had ‘plaque, tartar, and decay everywhere’ with several loose teeth held together with building materials.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/health/article-13622991/dr-sam-koh-Australian-dentist-horrifying-results-patients-DIY.html
Surely you realise that the daily fail is just another one of Murdochs propaganda bullshit rags?
The DM is one bit of crap Murdoch doesn’t own.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
The dentist revealed he had a case where a patient had ‘plaque, tartar, and decay everywhere’ with several loose teeth held together with building materials.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/health/article-13622991/dr-sam-koh-Australian-dentist-horrifying-results-patients-DIY.html
Surely you realise that the daily fail is just another one of Murdochs propaganda bullshit rags?
The DM is one bit of crap Murdoch doesn’t own.
Ok, my mistake, it is a garbage pile so I just assumed that it was owned by the garbage pile.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
The dentist revealed he had a case where a patient had ‘plaque, tartar, and decay everywhere’ with several loose teeth held together with building materials.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/health/article-13622991/dr-sam-koh-Australian-dentist-horrifying-results-patients-DIY.html
Surely you realise that the daily fail is just another one of Murdochs propaganda bullshit rags?
The DM is one bit of crap Murdoch doesn’t own.
None of us get daily mail anymore. P’raps they should call it “three times a week mail” instead, hey what but!
Ah but how many times a day do they shit¿
No wonder nobody wants russia as neighbours.
US intelligence discovered earlier this year that the Russian government planned to assassinate the chief executive of a powerful German arms manufacturer that has been producing artillery shells and military vehicles for Ukraine, according to five US and western officials familiar with the episode.The plot was one of a series of Russian plans to assassinate defense industry executives across Europe who were supporting Ukraine’s war effort, these sources said. The plan to kill Armin Papperger, a white-haired goliath who has led the German manufacturing charge in support of Kyiv, was the most mature.
When the Americans learned of the effort, they informed Germany, whose security services were then able to protect Papperger and foil the plot. A high-level German government official confirmed that Berlin was warned about the plot by the US.
For more than six months, Russia has been carrying out a sabotage campaign across Europe, largely by proxy. It has recruited local amateurs for everything from arson attacks on warehouses linked to arms for Ukraine to petty acts of vandalism — all designed to stymie the flow of weapons from the West to Ukraine and blunt public support for Kyiv.
Dark Orange said:
No wonder nobody wants russia as neighbours.
US intelligence discovered earlier this year that the Russian government planned to assassinate the chief executive of a powerful German arms manufacturer that has been producing artillery shells and military vehicles for Ukraine, according to five US and western officials familiar with the episode.The plot was one of a series of Russian plans to assassinate defense industry executives across Europe who were supporting Ukraine’s war effort, these sources said. The plan to kill Armin Papperger, a white-haired goliath who has led the German manufacturing charge in support of Kyiv, was the most mature.
When the Americans learned of the effort, they informed Germany, whose security services were then able to protect Papperger and foil the plot. A high-level German government official confirmed that Berlin was warned about the plot by the US.
For more than six months, Russia has been carrying out a sabotage campaign across Europe, largely by proxy. It has recruited local amateurs for everything from arson attacks on warehouses linked to arms for Ukraine to petty acts of vandalism — all designed to stymie the flow of weapons from the West to Ukraine and blunt public support for Kyiv.
Watch out for similar activities on our shores since we have supplied Ukraine as well.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:No wonder nobody wants russia as neighbours.
US intelligence discovered earlier this year that the Russian government planned to assassinate the chief executive of a powerful German arms manufacturer that has been producing artillery shells and military vehicles for Ukraine, according to five US and western officials familiar with the episode.The plot was one of a series of Russian plans to assassinate defense industry executives across Europe who were supporting Ukraine’s war effort, these sources said. The plan to kill Armin Papperger, a white-haired goliath who has led the German manufacturing charge in support of Kyiv, was the most mature.
When the Americans learned of the effort, they informed Germany, whose security services were then able to protect Papperger and foil the plot. A high-level German government official confirmed that Berlin was warned about the plot by the US.
For more than six months, Russia has been carrying out a sabotage campaign across Europe, largely by proxy. It has recruited local amateurs for everything from arson attacks on warehouses linked to arms for Ukraine to petty acts of vandalism — all designed to stymie the flow of weapons from the West to Ukraine and blunt public support for Kyiv.
Watch out for similar activities on our shores since we have supplied Ukraine as well.
“Executives” are just that , people managers with no real knowledge, wisdom or actual experience of their product that are designed by people who are very good at CAD. Look at Boeing eaten away by DEI for decades when their aircraft aren’t crashing their expensive, overdue spacecraft are in a similar position – the starliner I think it’s called is still stuck on the ISS.
The people on the factory floor and other management and engineers will most likely be foreigners – Boeing was shocked to discover a Chinese man they employed in the name of diversity had been sending secrets to China for DECADES. It would be the same be the same in Australia except worse.
At the same time we are getting involved in another war we are wrecking our society by bringing in millions of foreigners with no allegiance and no common thought. The writing is on the wall for this country the ukraine war just speeds the collapse.
roughbarked said:
Watch out for similar activities on our shores since we have supplied Ukraine as well.
12th July. Key updates:
▪️ Russian troops have liberated the settlement of Voskhod in the DPR, according to the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ Russia now controls 52 settlements in the northern and eastern parts of the Kharkov region, announced Ganchev, head of the region’s Russian administration.
▪️ The Ukrainian army has moved significant reserves to the northern Kharkov region from the rear and other fronts, fearing a Russian breakthrough to Kharkov City, Ganchev added.
▪️ NATO plans to allocate 40 billion euros to Ukraine over the next year and will support its path to “irreversible membership” in the alliance, stated a joint declaration by NATO.
▪️ This week, NATO will announce new military, political, and economic support measures for Ukraine as part of its journey toward alliance membership, the White House reported.
▪️ Russia must do everything to ensure that Kiev’s path to NATO ends with either the disappearance of Ukraine or the alliance, “or preferably both,” said Medvedev.
▪️ Russia rejects ultimatums and has no intention of participating in a new summit on Ukraine, Deputy Foreign Minister Galuzin told.
▪️ Russian air defense repelled a Ukrainian drone attack as it approached Moscow, reported Mayor.
The Russian Army advances on all fronts
roughbarked said:
Two Russian-born Australian citizens are accused of obtaining Australian Defence Force material to share with Russian authorities.
6m ago
Uh Oh
roughbarked said:
Two Russian-born Australian citizens are accused of obtaining Australian Defence Force material to share with Russian authorities.
6m ago
Spy chief Mike Burgess said espionage was not a “quaint” notion and could have “catastrophic real-world consequences”.
unfortunate name to be in the spy business.
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Two Russian-born Australian citizens are accused of obtaining Australian Defence Force material to share with Russian authorities.
6m ago
Uh Oh
If they were Russian they’d be any other imported nationality willing to sell secrets for money or ideological/ religious / tribal identity
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:
roughbarked said:
Two Russian-born Australian citizens are accused of obtaining Australian Defence Force material to share with Russian authorities.
6m ago
Uh Oh
What was I just sayingIf they were Russian they’d be any other imported nationality willing to sell secrets for money or ideological/ religious / tribal identity
Long term sleeper agents
Probably activated as someone mentioned how quiet that Italian family at the next table was
we do encounter the disinformation agents from time to time it’s always a strange experience
SCIENCE said:
we do encounter the disinformation agents from time to time it’s always a strange experience
Seems to entail a lot of waiting.
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
Peak Warming Man said:Uh Oh
What was I just sayingIf they were Russian they’d be any other imported nationality willing to sell secrets for money or ideological/ religious / tribal identity
Long term sleeper agents
Probably activated as someone mentioned how quiet that Italian family at the next table was
SCIENCE said:
we do encounter the disinformation agents from time to time it’s always a strange experience
wookiemeister said:
SCIENCE said:I take one blue and two red tablets at night. I like roast turkey at Christmas.we do encounter the disinformation agents from time to time it’s always a strange experienceDisinformation or something we don’t want to acknowledge ? Do you want the blue pill and wake up allowing the damage to get worse or the red pill and try to slow down the damage for Australia the generational damage is already done its a matter of waiting for the collapse. Voting patterns aren’t going to change – turkeys voting for xmas
OCDC said:
wookiemeister said:SCIENCE said:I take one blue and two red tablets at night. I like roast turkey at Christmas.we do encounter the disinformation agents from time to time it’s always a strange experienceDisinformation or something we don’t want to acknowledge ? Do you want the blue pill and wake up allowing the damage to get worse or the red pill and try to slow down the damage for Australia the generational damage is already done its a matter of waiting for the collapse. Voting patterns aren’t going to change – turkeys voting for xmas
SCIENCE said:
we do encounter the disinformation agents from time to time it’s always a strange experience
sorry just to clarify we mean we encounter them outside of here as well as the usual here
SCIENCE said:
SCIENCE said:
we do encounter the disinformation agents from time to time it’s always a strange experience
sorry just to clarify we mean we encounter them outside of here as well as the usual here
They’re everywhere they’re everywhere!
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
NSAMS missile strike on hospitalThere’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
Sorry to disappoint, but not only has the rest of the world concluded that it is a russian Kh-101 that hit its intended target unchallenged thanks to Ukraine’s limited Patriot hardware. A limit that will soon be reduced thanks to this event and the generosity of other civilised nations.
More details of the strategies the russians used to achieve this great military victory can be found here
And it seems that there are some russians with a conscience, as someone on the inside leaked the names and details of those involved, including the pilot. (Who, by several reports, has committed suicide. And not the “falling from a window or an axe to the back of the head” suicide, a normal “Oh God, what have I done???” type suicide.)
For those interested, these are the men who have decided that a children’s hospital is a valid military target so will probably spend the rest of their short lives looking over their shoulders. I wonder if the Ukes will save one or two for presenting to the Hague.
1. Pechkarev Alexey Gennadievich, Tu-95 aircraft commander, 121st Guard Bomber Aviation Regiment (GBAR), 22nd Division;
2. MARTYNOV Andrey Pavlovich, assistant navigator of the aviation squadron, 121st GBAR;
3. GOVOROV Vladislav Sergeevich, likely the head of the state secrets protection service, 121st GBAR, Captain;
4. GOLOVANOV Vyacheslav Georgievich;
5. ALUEV Alexander Nikolaevich, likely holds a command position in the personnel department of the 22nd Division;
6. KHOKHRYAKOV Denis Petrovich, senior officer, 52nd GBAR;
7. MIKHAILISHYN Oleg Vladimirovich, deputy commander for personnel affairs of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
8. AZARENKOV Alexander Yurievich, senior officer, 22nd Division;
9. BARANOV Oleg Yurievich, senior navigator of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
10. BURDAKOV Pavel Vladimirovich, Tu-160 aircraft commander, 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
11. TATUR Vladimir Bronislavovich;
12. DOLGUSHYN Sergey Vladimirovich, senior officer of the 22nd Division;
13. PAPIKYAN Nikolai Lukashevich, deputy chief of staff for communications and radio-technical support of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
14. KORYAKIN Ilya Vladimirovich, chief of staff of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
15. SMIRNOV Maxim Vladislavovich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
16. KASHLEV Alexander Sergeevich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
17. BELOKOBYLSKII Konstantin Petrovich;
18. STRUCHKOV Stanislav Dmitrievich;
19. TSIBIZOV Alexey Sergeevich, senior officer, 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division;
20. MALYUKOV Andrey Ivanovich, likely head of meteorological service of the 22nd Division;
21. STEPANENKO Dmitry Viktorovich, deputy chief of staff for military service and military service security of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
22. SOLOVYOV Ruslan Arslanovich, senior officer, 22nd Division;
23. ZYKOV Vitaly Evgenievich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
24. POKATISOV Alexander Sergeevich;
25. MALININ Vladislav Viktorovich, senior navigator of the 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
26. SKITSKY Oleg Igorevich, commander of the 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
27. TETEREV Sergey Viktorovich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Major;
28. VARPAKHOVICH Nikolai Nikolaevich, commander of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
29. KAPSHA Trofim Alexandrovich, deputy commander of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
30. GORLOV Vladimir Alexandrovich, senior officer of the 22nd Division, Major.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:The russians are their own worst enemy. Hours after destroying a children’s hospital with a cruise missile, the US make a statement:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/35537
US Ambassador to NATO Julianne Smith said NATO has “a very positive response” to Ukraine’s appeal for more air defenses, a decision expected to be announced in the 3-day NATO summit slated to start Tuesday, July 9.
“There will be fresh news on air defense. The Ukrainians asked NATO for seven Patriot systems in April. And we have a very positive response on that, which will come in the next few days,”
NSAMS missile strike on hospitalThere’s pictures that have captured the distinctive shape
Sorry to disappoint, but not only has the rest of the world concluded that it is a russian Kh-101 that hit its intended target unchallenged thanks to Ukraine’s limited Patriot hardware. A limit that will soon be reduced thanks to this event and the generosity of other civilised nations.
More details of the strategies the russians used to achieve this great military victory can be found here
And it seems that there are some russians with a conscience, as someone on the inside leaked the names and details of those involved, including the pilot. (Who, by several reports, has committed suicide. And not the “falling from a window or an axe to the back of the head” suicide, a normal “Oh God, what have I done???” type suicide.)
For those interested, these are the men who have decided that a children’s hospital is a valid military target so will probably spend the rest of their short lives looking over their shoulders. I wonder if the Ukes will save one or two for presenting to the Hague.
1. Pechkarev Alexey Gennadievich, Tu-95 aircraft commander, 121st Guard Bomber Aviation Regiment (GBAR), 22nd Division;
2. MARTYNOV Andrey Pavlovich, assistant navigator of the aviation squadron, 121st GBAR;
3. GOVOROV Vladislav Sergeevich, likely the head of the state secrets protection service, 121st GBAR, Captain;
4. GOLOVANOV Vyacheslav Georgievich;
5. ALUEV Alexander Nikolaevich, likely holds a command position in the personnel department of the 22nd Division;
6. KHOKHRYAKOV Denis Petrovich, senior officer, 52nd GBAR;
7. MIKHAILISHYN Oleg Vladimirovich, deputy commander for personnel affairs of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
8. AZARENKOV Alexander Yurievich, senior officer, 22nd Division;
9. BARANOV Oleg Yurievich, senior navigator of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
10. BURDAKOV Pavel Vladimirovich, Tu-160 aircraft commander, 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
11. TATUR Vladimir Bronislavovich;
12. DOLGUSHYN Sergey Vladimirovich, senior officer of the 22nd Division;
13. PAPIKYAN Nikolai Lukashevich, deputy chief of staff for communications and radio-technical support of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
14. KORYAKIN Ilya Vladimirovich, chief of staff of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
15. SMIRNOV Maxim Vladislavovich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
16. KASHLEV Alexander Sergeevich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
17. BELOKOBYLSKII Konstantin Petrovich;
18. STRUCHKOV Stanislav Dmitrievich;
19. TSIBIZOV Alexey Sergeevich, senior officer, 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division;
20. MALYUKOV Andrey Ivanovich, likely head of meteorological service of the 22nd Division;
21. STEPANENKO Dmitry Viktorovich, deputy chief of staff for military service and military service security of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
22. SOLOVYOV Ruslan Arslanovich, senior officer, 22nd Division;
23. ZYKOV Vitaly Evgenievich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
24. POKATISOV Alexander Sergeevich;
25. MALININ Vladislav Viktorovich, senior navigator of the 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
26. SKITSKY Oleg Igorevich, commander of the 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
27. TETEREV Sergey Viktorovich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Major;
28. VARPAKHOVICH Nikolai Nikolaevich, commander of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
29. KAPSHA Trofim Alexandrovich, deputy commander of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
30. GORLOV Vladimir Alexandrovich, senior officer of the 22nd Division, Major.
All these people with no moral compass
Can’t imagine the hatred or cool indifference were you don’t care about murdering children.
Attacking military structures within civil areas OK you will have “collateral damage” but deliberately doing it, shameful
The Australian government has decided to provide Ukraine with $250 million in military aid – the country’s largest contribution since Russia’s full-scale invasion. Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense of Australia Richard Marles announced this during the NATO summit in Washington, ABC News reports.Stay updated with the latest news by following us on X (Twitter)
The aid package from Australia will include guided missiles, ammunition for air defense systems, anti-tank weapons, artillery shells, and a batch of military footwear.
Australia’s total support for Ukraine now exceeds $1.3 billion, of which $1.1 billion is specifically military aid, according to the country’s government.
Dark Orange said:
The Australian government has decided to provide Ukraine with $250 million in military aid – the country’s largest contribution since Russia’s full-scale invasion. Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense of Australia Richard Marles announced this during the NATO summit in Washington, ABC News reports.Stay updated with the latest news by following us on X (Twitter)
The aid package from Australia will include guided missiles, ammunition for air defense systems, anti-tank weapons, artillery shells, and a batch of military footwear.
Australia’s total support for Ukraine now exceeds $1.3 billion, of which $1.1 billion is specifically military aid, according to the country’s government.
Goodo.
Dark Orange said:
The Australian government has decided to provide Ukraine with $250 million in military aid – the country’s largest contribution since Russia’s full-scale invasion. Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense of Australia Richard Marles announced this during the NATO summit in Washington, ABC News reports.Stay updated with the latest news by following us on X (Twitter)
The aid package from Australia will include guided missiles, ammunition for air defense systems, anti-tank weapons, artillery shells, and a batch of military footwear.
Australia’s total support for Ukraine now exceeds $1.3 billion, of which $1.1 billion is specifically military aid, according to the country’s government.
Yeah but Australia doesn’t have enough tanks to fight a land war on the Eurasian steppes!
Cymek said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Sorry to disappoint, but not only has the rest of the world concluded that it is a russian Kh-101 that hit its intended target unchallenged thanks to Ukraine’s limited Patriot hardware. A limit that will soon be reduced thanks to this event and the generosity of other civilised nations.
More details of the strategies the russians used to achieve this great military victory can be found here
And it seems that there are some russians with a conscience, as someone on the inside leaked the names and details of those involved, including the pilot. (Who, by several reports, has committed suicide. And not the “falling from a window or an axe to the back of the head” suicide, a normal “Oh God, what have I done???” type suicide.)
For those interested, these are the men who have decided that a children’s hospital is a valid military target so will probably spend the rest of their short lives looking over their shoulders. I wonder if the Ukes will save one or two for presenting to the Hague.
1. Pechkarev Alexey Gennadievich, Tu-95 aircraft commander, 121st Guard Bomber Aviation Regiment (GBAR), 22nd Division;
2. MARTYNOV Andrey Pavlovich, assistant navigator of the aviation squadron, 121st GBAR;
3. GOVOROV Vladislav Sergeevich, likely the head of the state secrets protection service, 121st GBAR, Captain;
4. GOLOVANOV Vyacheslav Georgievich;
5. ALUEV Alexander Nikolaevich, likely holds a command position in the personnel department of the 22nd Division;
6. KHOKHRYAKOV Denis Petrovich, senior officer, 52nd GBAR;
7. MIKHAILISHYN Oleg Vladimirovich, deputy commander for personnel affairs of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
8. AZARENKOV Alexander Yurievich, senior officer, 22nd Division;
9. BARANOV Oleg Yurievich, senior navigator of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
10. BURDAKOV Pavel Vladimirovich, Tu-160 aircraft commander, 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
11. TATUR Vladimir Bronislavovich;
12. DOLGUSHYN Sergey Vladimirovich, senior officer of the 22nd Division;
13. PAPIKYAN Nikolai Lukashevich, deputy chief of staff for communications and radio-technical support of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
14. KORYAKIN Ilya Vladimirovich, chief of staff of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
15. SMIRNOV Maxim Vladislavovich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
16. KASHLEV Alexander Sergeevich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
17. BELOKOBYLSKII Konstantin Petrovich;
18. STRUCHKOV Stanislav Dmitrievich;
19. TSIBIZOV Alexey Sergeevich, senior officer, 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division;
20. MALYUKOV Andrey Ivanovich, likely head of meteorological service of the 22nd Division;
21. STEPANENKO Dmitry Viktorovich, deputy chief of staff for military service and military service security of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
22. SOLOVYOV Ruslan Arslanovich, senior officer, 22nd Division;
23. ZYKOV Vitaly Evgenievich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
24. POKATISOV Alexander Sergeevich;
25. MALININ Vladislav Viktorovich, senior navigator of the 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Lieutenant Colonel;
26. SKITSKY Oleg Igorevich, commander of the 121st GBAR of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
27. TETEREV Sergey Viktorovich, senior officer, 22nd Division, Major;
28. VARPAKHOVICH Nikolai Nikolaevich, commander of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
29. KAPSHA Trofim Alexandrovich, deputy commander of the 22nd Division, Colonel;
30. GORLOV Vladimir Alexandrovich, senior officer of the 22nd Division, Major.
All these people with no moral compass
Can’t imagine the hatred or cool indifference were you don’t care about murdering children.
Attacking military structures within civil areas OK you will have “collateral damage” but deliberately doing it, shameful
shrug as long as they’re ethnics to the west of your main forces then hospitals and schools and shopping centres are fair game
wait
wait
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.
Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
You’re dreaming. Putin is a fascist psycho and has no sane pretext for his invasion. He and his forces must be destroyed.
Bubblecar said:
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
You’re dreaming. Putin is a fascist psycho and has no sane pretext for his invasion. He and his forces must be destroyed.
Be that as it may .. both parties will need to give and take to get it done
monkey skipper said:
Bubblecar said:
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
You’re dreaming. Putin is a fascist psycho and has no sane pretext for his invasion. He and his forces must be destroyed.
Be that as it may .. both parties will need to give and take to get it done
Nah.
Bubblecar said:
monkey skipper said:
Bubblecar said:You’re dreaming. Putin is a fascist psycho and has no sane pretext for his invasion. He and his forces must be destroyed.
Be that as it may .. both parties will need to give and take to get it done
Nah.
It is unlikely that Putin will be removed by another nation as the roll on effect will be too hostile , it will require negotiation on both sides to also save face …
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
Gas is not what the war is about.
Europe no longer want to buy Russian gas anyway.
party_pants said:
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
Gas is not what the war is about.
Europe no longer want to buy Russian gas anyway.
Putin wasn’t happy with the price Russia had to pay for the section of the pipeline running through Ukraine to Ukraine …the pipeline is part of the backstory
Bubblecar said:
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
You’re dreaming. Putin is a fascist psycho and has no sane pretext for his invasion. He and his forces must be destroyed.
The drunk says aloud what the sober thinks.
Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s former president and prime minister, said on Wednesday that Russia will seek to occupy “remaining lands” even if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky agrees to the Kremlin’s most recent conditions for peace.Medvedev, now deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, “reaffirmed that Russia would not accept or uphold any negotiated peace settlements with Kyiv short of Ukrainian capitulation, the destruction of the entire Ukrainian state, and the full occupation of Ukraine,” the Institute for the Study of War, a U.S.-based think tank, said in its latest analysis of the conflict in Ukraine.
monkey skipper said:
party_pants said:
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
Gas is not what the war is about.
Europe no longer want to buy Russian gas anyway.
Putin wasn’t happy with the price Russia had to pay for the section of the pipeline running through Ukraine to Ukraine …the pipeline is part of the backstory
That is not even close to my understanding of the situation.
monkey skipper said:
Bubblecar said:
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
You’re dreaming. Putin is a fascist psycho and has no sane pretext for his invasion. He and his forces must be destroyed.
Be that as it may .. both parties will need to give and take to get it done
MS: Some dude smashes your front door and moves into your house. He suggests that if you allow him to have a bedroom and the bathroom, he will in turn allow you to stay in the rest of your house.
The Russians did that to Crimea in 2014 and agreed to not take any more land. Then took more land. Any peace deal now is just delaying the inevitable.
party_pants said:
monkey skipper said:
If it was up to me, I would sit both presidents down and work out the finances around the pipeline going through Ukraine from Russia to Europe and renegotiate the conditions , for example , Russia pays a reduced amount for running he pipeline through Ukraine but jobs that run and maintain the pipeline must b given to Ukrainian workers, education campuses set up to train Ukrainians for these jobs and also the skillsets to rebuild the infrastructure destroyed during this current war. Ukraine to recommence food trade with the world and Russia.Cease fire immediately, a peace deal truce and then end the struggle of the battle for control of the 2 majors resources ie gas and food…
Gas is not what the war is about.
Europe no longer want to buy Russian gas anyway.
The way things are going, there won’t be any russian oil or gas on the market.
Well, it was about the gas, to some extent, in the early days.
It was about a lot of things back then:
But, a lot of those things have fallen by the wayside, early on or later in the business, and now it’s mostly about Putin not backing down.
Looks as if the chinese military has landed in Belarus for exercises – nothing to worry about.
wookiemeister said:
Looks as if the chinese military has landed in Belarus for exercises – nothing to worry about.
Anywhere i can read about that?
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Looks as if the chinese military has landed in Belarus for exercises – nothing to worry about.
Anywhere i can read about that?
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-belarus-start-joint-military-drills-near-polish-border-2024-07-09/#:~:text=July%209%20(Reuters)%20-%20China,eve%20of%20the%20alliance%27s%20summit.
Link.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Looks as if the chinese military has landed in Belarus for exercises – nothing to worry about.
Anywhere i can read about that?
Oh, it’s all over the news.
Well, they’re a long way from home, aren’t they?
Hope they have good maps.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Looks as if the chinese military has landed in Belarus for exercises – nothing to worry about.
Anywhere i can read about that?
Oh, it’s all over the news.
Well, they’re a long way from home, aren’t they?
Hope they have good maps.
captain_spalding said:
Well, it was about the gas, to some extent, in the early days.It was about a lot of things back then:
- the gas pipeline running through Ukraine, and Russia having to pay for that.
- the Ukrainian gas reserves, which Putin didn’t want to see Ukraine exploit as it planned to do, and thus compete with Russia.
- the idea of a very quick, minimal-combat, minimum-destruction conquest of Ukraine, providing lots of lovely assets for Putin to make money out of, or to distribute to his oligarch friends
- the fulfilment of Putin’s daydreams of ‘restoring an empire’ to some extent
- the big PR boost a successful ‘special operation’ would give to Putin’s standing in Russia
- the big scare that such a success would give to NATO, and the demonstration of what might happen to e.g. Finland or the Baltic states (NATO members or not) if they didn’t pay attention to Putin.
But, a lot of those things have fallen by the wayside, early on or later in the business, and now it’s mostly about Putin not backing down.
The way I see it, it was all about the peaceful expansion of NATO and the EU.
After the fall of the USSR, Putin refused to see a landscape of new opportunities and instead still saw everything connected with the old NATO and/or EU bloc as a threat (he was an old KGB officer after all)
He chose to see even the peaceful expansion of NATO and the EU as a threat, making no distinction between peaceful expansion (hey, can we join your group?) and aggressive expansion (join our group or we’ll harm you). To me, clearly a great from a policy perspective between the two approaches. But, he talks about any expansion of NATO or the EU as being an act of aggression against Russia, even if the applicant state has to beg and jump through hoops to be let in.
The invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was after public demonstrations ousted the Russian puppet regime. Since then the aim has always been to restore Ukraine to a puppet state.
The gas pipeline is inconsequential. Since the completion of Nordstream direct from Russia to Germany, Ukraine was sidelined as a third party in the gas supply. The invasion of Ukraine in 2021 was no longer necessary in the gas supplies situation because Nordstream had been up and running for years, with the Nordstream 2 just about to come online.
It was a war of aggression plain and simple to stop Ukraine from eventually joining NATO and/or the EU on a peaceful supplication basis of “please may we join your group/’
party_pants said:
It was a war of aggression plain and simple to stop Ukraine from eventually joining NATO and/or the EU on a peaceful supplication basis of “please may we join your group/’
Yeah, you’re right, it was about Ukraine’s potential to join NATO, but i think that that was just another ‘reason’ to add to the list.
Add to that the rather awkward situation of having a former Soviet ‘republic’ right next door, building an economy and society which showed potential to do considerably better than Russia’s. It’d only be a matter of time until Russians started wonder what was wrong with their own system, and started looking for change. Best to nip that in the bud.
Russian leaders have always felt threatened by Europe/‘the West’, and occasional attacks by people who didn’t understand what they were taking on (like Napoleon, and Hitler) only strongly reinforced that.
But, rather than see attackers like Napoleon and Hitler as aberrations, and merely establish adequate forces and facilities for a good defence, and get on with life, the Russians persist in believing that everyone wants to overrun them, and the only policy they can think of is ‘get them before they get you’.
Anyone with an ounce of sense doesn’t want Russia, because it’s too many problems, and those problems are too big. Hell, even Russian governments struggle with it, so who wants to try to impose a ‘foreign’ government over something as big and difficult as Russia?
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Well, it was about the gas, to some extent, in the early days.It was about a lot of things back then:
- the gas pipeline running through Ukraine, and Russia having to pay for that.
- the Ukrainian gas reserves, which Putin didn’t want to see Ukraine exploit as it planned to do, and thus compete with Russia.
- the idea of a very quick, minimal-combat, minimum-destruction conquest of Ukraine, providing lots of lovely assets for Putin to make money out of, or to distribute to his oligarch friends
- the fulfilment of Putin’s daydreams of ‘restoring an empire’ to some extent
- the big PR boost a successful ‘special operation’ would give to Putin’s standing in Russia
- the big scare that such a success would give to NATO, and the demonstration of what might happen to e.g. Finland or the Baltic states (NATO members or not) if they didn’t pay attention to Putin.
But, a lot of those things have fallen by the wayside, early on or later in the business, and now it’s mostly about Putin not backing down.
The way I see it, it was all about the peaceful expansion of NATO and the EU.
After the fall of the USSR, Putin refused to see a landscape of new opportunities and instead still saw everything connected with the old NATO and/or EU bloc as a threat (he was an old KGB officer after all)
He chose to see even the peaceful expansion of NATO and the EU as a threat, making no distinction between peaceful expansion (hey, can we join your group?) and aggressive expansion (join our group or we’ll harm you). To me, clearly a great from a policy perspective between the two approaches. But, he talks about any expansion of NATO or the EU as being an act of aggression against Russia, even if the applicant state has to beg and jump through hoops to be let in.
The invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was after public demonstrations ousted the Russian puppet regime. Since then the aim has always been to restore Ukraine to a puppet state.
The gas pipeline is inconsequential. Since the completion of Nordstream direct from Russia to Germany, Ukraine was sidelined as a third party in the gas supply. The invasion of Ukraine in 2021 was no longer necessary in the gas supplies situation because Nordstream had been up and running for years, with the Nordstream 2 just about to come online.
It was a war of aggression plain and simple to stop Ukraine from eventually joining NATO and/or the EU on a peaceful supplication basis of “please may we join your group/’
I disagree.
The expansion and re-acquisition of Ukraine was less about NATO and more about survival. Their population growth has been going backwards for the last 30 years, and there is fewer younger people to look after the older people. One quarter of the population do not have indoor plumbing, and outside of the cities that number is over 60%.
Russia wanted what was rightfully theirs. Ukrainian oil, Ukrainian soil, and a population to steal.
What did Russia do when they first rolled into Ukraine? They stole toilets, washing machines, and grain. They killed the majority of the male population, raped the women and took hundreds of thousands of children for repatriation into Russia. They levelled cities, then immediately built shitty houses to move their population into.
If they wanted a buffer, they’d have accepted Zelensky’s pre-war agreement to not join NATO. Instead, Putin refused it and invaded. Putin doesn’t want a buffer, he wanted all the riches Ukraine had to offer.
A YEAR AFTER MAIDAN, UKRAINE IS STILL THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN EUROPE
3/12/2014
https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe
Dark Orange said:
party_pants said:
captain_spalding said:
Well, it was about the gas, to some extent, in the early days.It was about a lot of things back then:
- the gas pipeline running through Ukraine, and Russia having to pay for that.
- the Ukrainian gas reserves, which Putin didn’t want to see Ukraine exploit as it planned to do, and thus compete with Russia.
- the idea of a very quick, minimal-combat, minimum-destruction conquest of Ukraine, providing lots of lovely assets for Putin to make money out of, or to distribute to his oligarch friends
- the fulfilment of Putin’s daydreams of ‘restoring an empire’ to some extent
- the big PR boost a successful ‘special operation’ would give to Putin’s standing in Russia
- the big scare that such a success would give to NATO, and the demonstration of what might happen to e.g. Finland or the Baltic states (NATO members or not) if they didn’t pay attention to Putin.
But, a lot of those things have fallen by the wayside, early on or later in the business, and now it’s mostly about Putin not backing down.
The way I see it, it was all about the peaceful expansion of NATO and the EU.
After the fall of the USSR, Putin refused to see a landscape of new opportunities and instead still saw everything connected with the old NATO and/or EU bloc as a threat (he was an old KGB officer after all)
He chose to see even the peaceful expansion of NATO and the EU as a threat, making no distinction between peaceful expansion (hey, can we join your group?) and aggressive expansion (join our group or we’ll harm you). To me, clearly a great from a policy perspective between the two approaches. But, he talks about any expansion of NATO or the EU as being an act of aggression against Russia, even if the applicant state has to beg and jump through hoops to be let in.
The invasion of Ukraine in 2014 was after public demonstrations ousted the Russian puppet regime. Since then the aim has always been to restore Ukraine to a puppet state.
The gas pipeline is inconsequential. Since the completion of Nordstream direct from Russia to Germany, Ukraine was sidelined as a third party in the gas supply. The invasion of Ukraine in 2021 was no longer necessary in the gas supplies situation because Nordstream had been up and running for years, with the Nordstream 2 just about to come online.
It was a war of aggression plain and simple to stop Ukraine from eventually joining NATO and/or the EU on a peaceful supplication basis of “please may we join your group/’
I disagree.
The expansion and re-acquisition of Ukraine was less about NATO and more about survival. Their population growth has been going backwards for the last 30 years, and there is fewer younger people to look after the older people. One quarter of the population do not have indoor plumbing, and outside of the cities that number is over 60%.Russia wanted what was rightfully theirs. Ukrainian oil, Ukrainian soil, and a population to steal.
What did Russia do when they first rolled into Ukraine? They stole toilets, washing machines, and grain. They killed the majority of the male population, raped the women and took hundreds of thousands of children for repatriation into Russia. They levelled cities, then immediately built shitty houses to move their population into.If they wanted a buffer, they’d have accepted Zelensky’s pre-war agreement to not join NATO. Instead, Putin refused it and invaded. Putin doesn’t want a buffer, he wanted all the riches Ukraine had to offer.
I don’t disagree with much else you said here – apart from “Russia wanted what was rightfully theirs” (my emphasis added).
This is the key to my opposition to Russia’s invasion. In my world-view the people of Ukraine have the exclusive rights to their own country, and the Russians can GAGF as regards their assertion of rights over another nation.
wookiemeister said:
A YEAR AFTER MAIDAN, UKRAINE IS STILL THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN EUROPE
3/12/2014https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe
You know that article is 10 years old, back when russia was in control of Ukraine?
wookiemeister said:
A YEAR AFTER MAIDAN, UKRAINE IS STILL THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN EUROPE
3/12/2014https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Looks as if the chinese military has landed in Belarus for exercises – nothing to worry about.
Anywhere i can read about that?
Oh, it’s all over the news.
Well, they’re a long way from home, aren’t they?
Hope they have good maps.
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
A YEAR AFTER MAIDAN, UKRAINE IS STILL THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN EUROPE
3/12/2014https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe
I see a whole lot of stupid from you
Go and fight on the eastern front
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
A YEAR AFTER MAIDAN, UKRAINE IS STILL THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN EUROPE
3/12/2014https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe
Write to your local MP demanding Australian troops be sent to sort out those russians on the eastern front.I see a whole lot of stupid from you
Go and fight on the eastern front
You gotta admit he has a point though. Or maybe we have it wrong and you could point out the meaning behind the post.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
Write to your local MP demanding Australian troops be sent to sort out those russians on the eastern front.I see a whole lot of stupid from you
Go and fight on the eastern front
You gotta admit he has a point though. Or maybe we have it wrong and you could point out the meaning behind the post.
Sorry – this is the ukraine is winning thread
The UN General Assembly demands the immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from the Zaporizhzhia NPP.
99 countries voted “Yes”; 60 abstained; “Against” – Belarus, Burundi, Cuba, North Korea, Eritrea, Mali, Russia, Nicaragua and Syria.
A Ukrainian drone attacked a bus in Donetsk, injuring a civilian.
Orban did not inform Putin of his plans to meet Trump. The Russian president did not pass any letters through him.
The main point of Dmitry Peskov’s statements:
- Russia is aware of Ankara’s intention to join the SCO, but there are contradictions related to Turkey’s position as a NATO member. This needs to be discussed;
- Moscow has followed the NATO summit statements very closely;
- the Kremlin has no information on the detention in Australia of citizens with Russian passports accused of spying;
- Biden’s bloopers have received worldwide attention, but this is an internal US matter;
- Moscow treats CNN reports of Russia’s alleged involvement in the assassination attempt on the head of Rheinmetall as fake news.
Australia still can’t design or build its own service rifle
wookiemeister said:
A Ukrainian drone attacked a bus in Donetsk, injuring a civilian.Orban did not inform Putin of his plans to meet Trump. The Russian president did not pass any letters through him.
The main point of Dmitry Peskov’s statements:
- Russia is aware of Ankara’s intention to join the SCO, but there are contradictions related to Turkey’s position as a NATO member. This needs to be discussed;
- Moscow has followed the NATO summit statements very closely;
- the Kremlin has no information on the detention in Australia of citizens with Russian passports accused of spying;
- Biden’s bloopers have received worldwide attention, but this is an internal US matter;
- Moscow treats CNN reports of Russia’s alleged involvement in the assassination attempt on the head of Rheinmetall as fake news.
Australia still can’t design or build its own service rifle
Yeah instead we cure cancer. Meanwhile Russia’s economy is only as big as ours with 4 times the population. Putin must be so proud.
wookiemeister said:
Kingy said:
wookiemeister said:
A YEAR AFTER MAIDAN, UKRAINE IS STILL THE MOST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN EUROPE
3/12/2014https://www.transparency.org/en/press/a-year-after-maidan-ukraine-is-still-the-most-corrupt-country-in-europe
Write to your local MP demanding Australian troops be sent to sort out those russians on the eastern front.I see a whole lot of stupid from you
Go and fight on the eastern front
Is Ukraine in Europe? Is Russia in Ukraine?
Is Russia the most corrupt country in Europe?
In other news, it looks like the Russians are planning to blow up a couple of dams in Ukraine.
“The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine has refuted and called absurd Russian accusations that Ukrainian authorities are preparing to blow up the dams of the Kyiv hydroelectric power plant and the Kaniv reservoir, allegedly planning to blame Russia for this.”
captain_spalding said:
Well, it was about the gas, to some extent, in the early days.It was about a lot of things back then:
- the gas pipeline running through Ukraine, and Russia having to pay for that.
- the Ukrainian gas reserves, which Putin didn’t want to see Ukraine exploit as it planned to do, and thus compete with Russia.
- the idea of a very quick, minimal-combat, minimum-destruction conquest of Ukraine, providing lots of lovely assets for Putin to make money out of, or to distribute to his oligarch friends
- the fulfilment of Putin’s daydreams of ‘restoring an empire’ to some extent
- the big PR boost a successful ‘special operation’ would give to Putin’s standing in Russia
- the big scare that such a success would give to NATO, and the demonstration of what might happen to e.g. Finland or the Baltic states (NATO members or not) if they didn’t pay attention to Putin.
But, a lot of those things have fallen by the wayside, early on or later in the business, and now it’s mostly about Putin not backing down.
Hope he doesn’t enjoy any of it.
Don’t feel you need to response if it makes you angry.
12th July. Key updates:
▪️ The Russian military carried out 39 strikes with long-range precision weapons on military targets in Ukraine over the past week, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian troops over the week amounted to more than 14,000 personnel. Units of the “Center” group liberated four settlements and destroyed two tanks, including an American Abrams, over the week.
▪️ The head of the operational response department of the Shebekino urban district in the Belgorod Oblast, Alexander Maslyenko, was killed during an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Governor Gladkov reported.
▪️ Putin met with the governor of Zaporozhye Oblast, Balitsky, and stated that Russia will definitely ensure the security of the region.
▪️ Biden, speaking about Ukraine’s strikes deep into Russia, said that hypothetical strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on “Moscow and the Kremlin” would not make sense.
▪️ More than 20 countries and the EU signed a document at the NATO summit to accelerate military assistance to Kiev. They agreed to support Ukraine with 40 billion euros for 2025 alone.
▪️ The Japanese Ministry of Defense no longer believes that Russia “lost its military power” in Ukraine; it also notes that Russia, despite sanctions, is capable of conducting military operations for a long time.
▪️ The British Ministry of Defense denied information about allowing Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for strikes deep into Russia, writes the Telegraph.
wookiemeister said:
Don’t feel you need to response if it makes you angry.12th July. Key updates:
▪️ The Russian military carried out 39 strikes with long-range precision weapons on military targets in Ukraine over the past week, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian troops over the week amounted to more than 14,000 personnel. Units of the “Center” group liberated four settlements and destroyed two tanks, including an American Abrams, over the week.
▪️ The head of the operational response department of the Shebekino urban district in the Belgorod Oblast, Alexander Maslyenko, was killed during an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Governor Gladkov reported.
▪️ Putin met with the governor of Zaporozhye Oblast, Balitsky, and stated that Russia will definitely ensure the security of the region.
▪️ Biden, speaking about Ukraine’s strikes deep into Russia, said that hypothetical strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on “Moscow and the Kremlin” would not make sense.
▪️ More than 20 countries and the EU signed a document at the NATO summit to accelerate military assistance to Kiev. They agreed to support Ukraine with 40 billion euros for 2025 alone.
▪️ The Japanese Ministry of Defense no longer believes that Russia “lost its military power” in Ukraine; it also notes that Russia, despite sanctions, is capable of conducting military operations for a long time.
▪️ The British Ministry of Defense denied information about allowing Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for strikes deep into Russia, writes the Telegraph.
Shouldn’t the needless deaths of 150,000 Russians make one angry?
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Don’t feel you need to response if it makes you angry.12th July. Key updates:
▪️ The Russian military carried out 39 strikes with long-range precision weapons on military targets in Ukraine over the past week, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian troops over the week amounted to more than 14,000 personnel. Units of the “Center” group liberated four settlements and destroyed two tanks, including an American Abrams, over the week.
▪️ The head of the operational response department of the Shebekino urban district in the Belgorod Oblast, Alexander Maslyenko, was killed during an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Governor Gladkov reported.
▪️ Putin met with the governor of Zaporozhye Oblast, Balitsky, and stated that Russia will definitely ensure the security of the region.
▪️ Biden, speaking about Ukraine’s strikes deep into Russia, said that hypothetical strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on “Moscow and the Kremlin” would not make sense.
▪️ More than 20 countries and the EU signed a document at the NATO summit to accelerate military assistance to Kiev. They agreed to support Ukraine with 40 billion euros for 2025 alone.
▪️ The Japanese Ministry of Defense no longer believes that Russia “lost its military power” in Ukraine; it also notes that Russia, despite sanctions, is capable of conducting military operations for a long time.
▪️ The British Ministry of Defense denied information about allowing Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for strikes deep into Russia, writes the Telegraph.
Shouldn’t the needless deaths of 150,000 Russians make one angry?
I find some people get furious when alternative news gets posted here
– Britain was forced to clarify that it had not given Ukraine permission to use Storm Shadow to strike Russia, in an awkward diplomatic moment for Sir Starmer – Telegraph
– China does not have any military bases in Tajikistan – Chinese Foreign Ministry
– Estonia’s national debt grew by 45% over the past year and amounted to 8.8 billion euros – Central Bank of the Republic
– The Moldovan authorities aim to “convince” residents that the country’s security does not lie in neutrality, but in NATO – Foreign Minister
– There is no question of the alliance’s direct participation in the conflict in Ukraine, but the West will continue to support Kiеv – Macron
– NATO officials believe that the support for Ukraine, which the alliance countries agreed upon at the summit in Washington, will not allow Kiеv to attempt a new offensive until at least the end of this year – NYT
– Türkiye will not approve cooperation between Israel and NATO – Erdogan
– Two weeks ago I called on Mr. Bashar al-Assad to either come to Turkey or hold this meeting in a third country – Erdogan
– Germany will discuss the transfer of ammunition to the Ukrainian Armed Forces for the F-16, if asked – Scholz
– Giving Kiеv permission to use American weapons to strike Moscow and to a similar depth on the territory of the Russian Federation makes no sense – Biden
– Strengthening cooperation between Russia and China, including military cooperation, causes serious concern for Japan – “White Paper” of the Japanese Ministry of Defense
– The Australian government will allocate the largest one-time tranche of military assistance to Ukraine to date in the amount of about $250 million – Australian Defense Ministry
– The Ukrainian Armed Forces stopped trying to transport large groups to the left bank of the Dnieper in the Kherson region after the failure in Krynka – Saldo
– Scholz rejected Zelensky’s proposal to lift all restrictions on the use of Western weapons – Bild
– Zelensky, at meetings with EU and NATO officials, repeats demands to increase aid to Ukraine “15 times” or threatens consequences – Reuters
– Lithuania will henceforth send not ministers, but deputy ministers, to EU events as a sign of protest against Orban’s visit to Moscow – TASS
– The experience of the SMO has shown that the Russian nuclear doctrine contains too general formulations – Ryabkov
– A plot is being prepared against Biden to take him out of the election race – Axios
– Israel and Hamas have agreed on the “framework” of the Gaza truce, are working on the details – Biden
– Belousov and Austin held telephone conversations, the conversation took place at the initiative of the Russian Federation – Russian Defense Ministry
– The US is not allowing Ukraine to use ATACMS missiles for “deep” strikes against Russia, but that could change – Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh
– The Bundeswehr has developed a secret plan that determines the course of action of military and civilian authorities in the event that NATO troops have to be transferred to the eastern front of the alliance – Bild
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Don’t feel you need to response if it makes you angry.12th July. Key updates:
▪️ The Russian military carried out 39 strikes with long-range precision weapons on military targets in Ukraine over the past week, the Ministry of Defense reported.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian troops over the week amounted to more than 14,000 personnel. Units of the “Center” group liberated four settlements and destroyed two tanks, including an American Abrams, over the week.
▪️ The head of the operational response department of the Shebekino urban district in the Belgorod Oblast, Alexander Maslyenko, was killed during an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Governor Gladkov reported.
▪️ Putin met with the governor of Zaporozhye Oblast, Balitsky, and stated that Russia will definitely ensure the security of the region.
▪️ Biden, speaking about Ukraine’s strikes deep into Russia, said that hypothetical strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on “Moscow and the Kremlin” would not make sense.
▪️ More than 20 countries and the EU signed a document at the NATO summit to accelerate military assistance to Kiev. They agreed to support Ukraine with 40 billion euros for 2025 alone.
▪️ The Japanese Ministry of Defense no longer believes that Russia “lost its military power” in Ukraine; it also notes that Russia, despite sanctions, is capable of conducting military operations for a long time.
▪️ The British Ministry of Defense denied information about allowing Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for strikes deep into Russia, writes the Telegraph.
Shouldn’t the needless deaths of 150,000 Russians make one angry?
Just read itI find some people get furious when alternative news gets posted here
Kremlin taking points for useful idiots are certainly an alternative to actual facts and objective reality.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Shouldn’t the needless deaths of 150,000 Russians make one angry?
Just read itI find some people get furious when alternative news gets posted here
Kremlin taking points for useful idiots are certainly an alternative to actual facts and objective reality.
After all
Ukraine is winning
And another 250 million of Australian taxpayers money down the toilet
wookiemeister said:
And another 250 million of Australian taxpayers money down the toilet
As an Australian taxpayer, I am disappointed it is not more.
▪️ A strong explosion occurred at a military installation on the outskirts of Ukraine’s Poltava city, according to the local resistance;
▪️A fire broke out in an oil depot in the Russia’s Rostov region, at around 04:00 AM local time, as a result of Ukrainian drone attack, regional governor Vasily Golubev reported;
▪️Russian troops entered to Makeyevka village in the Lugansk People’s Republic, Russian channels inform; Makeyevka (not to be confused with Makeyevka city in the DPR) is the last village in the LPR still controlled by the Zelensky’s regime; .
▪️Russian soldiers reached the outskirts of Vozdvizhenka village close to the key Pokrovsk-Konstantinovka highway in the Donetsk Piople’s Republic, Russian and Ukrainian sources confirm;
▪️The Russian and US defence ministers, Andrei Belousov and Lloyd Austin, held a phone call where they discussed lowering the risk of “possible escalation”, the Russian defence ministry said yesterday;
▪️Ukraine cannot wait “another 75 years” to join NATO, Ukrainian foreign minister Dmitro Kuleba said.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
And another 250 million of Australian taxpayers money down the toilet
As an Australian taxpayer, I am disappointed it is not more.
July 13th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:
▪️During the day, 40 AFU brigade formations were defeated and 17 counter-attacks repulsed, the Russian Defence Ministry reported;
▪️The enemy’s losses were up to 2,075 soldiers; Kiev lost one tank, one Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle, six armoured vehicles, including four American M113 armoured personnel carriers;
▪️Russian forces hit an explosives factory; air defence forces shot down two ATACMS missiles, an S-200 anti-aircraft missile converted to fire at ground targets;
▪️Donetsk, Gorlovka, Makeyevka and Vladimirovka were repeatedly shelled by NATO artillery and drones on Saturday, the DPR said;
▪️Belarusian President Lukashenko ordered troops to withdraw from the border with Ukraine, saying tensions on the border had been resolved;
▪️Senior AFU officers and foreign mercenaries were killed in an attack near the Odessa suburb of Chabanka;
▪️Turkish President Erdogan has expressed the view that the conflict in Ukraine will not end soon and has pledged to continue efforts to stop it.
wookiemeister said:
July 13th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:▪️During the day, 40 AFU brigade formations were defeated and 17 counter-attacks repulsed, the Russian Defence Ministry reported;
▪️The enemy’s losses were up to 2,075 soldiers; Kiev lost one tank, one Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle, six armoured vehicles, including four American M113 armoured personnel carriers;
▪️Russian forces hit an explosives factory; air defence forces shot down two ATACMS missiles, an S-200 anti-aircraft missile converted to fire at ground targets;
▪️Donetsk, Gorlovka, Makeyevka and Vladimirovka were repeatedly shelled by NATO artillery and drones on Saturday, the DPR said;
▪️Belarusian President Lukashenko ordered troops to withdraw from the border with Ukraine, saying tensions on the border had been resolved;
▪️Senior AFU officers and foreign mercenaries were killed in an attack near the Odessa suburb of Chabanka;
▪️Turkish President Erdogan has expressed the view that the conflict in Ukraine will not end soon and has pledged to continue efforts to stop it.
All lies I’m afraid. Don’t worry I’m here to help.
Russian channels
THE SECRET SERVICE WAITED FOR THE SHOOTER TO SHOOT BEFORE OPENING FIRE?
Not a good look.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
July 13th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:▪️During the day, 40 AFU brigade formations were defeated and 17 counter-attacks repulsed, the Russian Defence Ministry reported;
▪️The enemy’s losses were up to 2,075 soldiers; Kiev lost one tank, one Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle, six armoured vehicles, including four American M113 armoured personnel carriers;
▪️Russian forces hit an explosives factory; air defence forces shot down two ATACMS missiles, an S-200 anti-aircraft missile converted to fire at ground targets;
▪️Donetsk, Gorlovka, Makeyevka and Vladimirovka were repeatedly shelled by NATO artillery and drones on Saturday, the DPR said;
▪️Belarusian President Lukashenko ordered troops to withdraw from the border with Ukraine, saying tensions on the border had been resolved;
▪️Senior AFU officers and foreign mercenaries were killed in an attack near the Odessa suburb of Chabanka;
▪️Turkish President Erdogan has expressed the view that the conflict in Ukraine will not end soon and has pledged to continue efforts to stop it.
All lies I’m afraid. Don’t worry I’m here to help.
wookiemeister said:
Russian channelsTHE SECRET SERVICE WAITED FOR THE SHOOTER TO SHOOT BEFORE OPENING FIRE?
Not a good look.
Do you think Prince Philip and MI6 are behind it again?
wookiemeister said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
July 13th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:▪️During the day, 40 AFU brigade formations were defeated and 17 counter-attacks repulsed, the Russian Defence Ministry reported;
▪️The enemy’s losses were up to 2,075 soldiers; Kiev lost one tank, one Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle, six armoured vehicles, including four American M113 armoured personnel carriers;
▪️Russian forces hit an explosives factory; air defence forces shot down two ATACMS missiles, an S-200 anti-aircraft missile converted to fire at ground targets;
▪️Donetsk, Gorlovka, Makeyevka and Vladimirovka were repeatedly shelled by NATO artillery and drones on Saturday, the DPR said;
▪️Belarusian President Lukashenko ordered troops to withdraw from the border with Ukraine, saying tensions on the border had been resolved;
▪️Senior AFU officers and foreign mercenaries were killed in an attack near the Odessa suburb of Chabanka;
▪️Turkish President Erdogan has expressed the view that the conflict in Ukraine will not end soon and has pledged to continue efforts to stop it.
All lies I’m afraid. Don’t worry I’m here to help.
The Russian Army advances on all fronts
Whoops another mistake Wookie. I understand it’s been a trying last half hour coming to realise your immense inadequacies. We can try again tomorrow when you’re feeling better.
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Russian channelsTHE SECRET SERVICE WAITED FOR THE SHOOTER TO SHOOT BEFORE OPENING FIRE?
Not a good look.
Do you think Prince Philip and MI6 are behind it again?
those repilian overlord would stop at nothing to defeat the USA’s christ in waiting.
JudgeMental said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Russian channelsTHE SECRET SERVICE WAITED FOR THE SHOOTER TO SHOOT BEFORE OPENING FIRE?
Not a good look.
Do you think Prince Philip and MI6 are behind it again?
those repilian overlord would stop at nothing to defeat the USA’s christ in waiting.
False flags and convenient assassinations are the main stay of the US and world history
At least Genghis Kahn was honest – kill everyone, no survivors , no need for a Casus Belli
wookiemeister said:
July 13th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:▪️During the day, 40 AFU brigade formations were defeated and 17 counter-attacks repulsed, the Russian Defence Ministry reported;
▪️The enemy’s losses were up to 2,075 soldiers; Kiev lost one tank, one Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle, six armoured vehicles, including four American M113 armoured personnel carriers;
▪️Russian forces hit an explosives factory; air defence forces shot down two ATACMS missiles, an S-200 anti-aircraft missile converted to fire at ground targets;
▪️Donetsk, Gorlovka, Makeyevka and Vladimirovka were repeatedly shelled by NATO artillery and drones on Saturday, the DPR said;
▪️Belarusian President Lukashenko ordered troops to withdraw from the border with Ukraine, saying tensions on the border had been resolved;
▪️Senior AFU officers and foreign mercenaries were killed in an attack near the Odessa suburb of Chabanka;
▪️Turkish President Erdogan has expressed the view that the conflict in Ukraine will not end soon and has pledged to continue efforts to stop it.
I don’t think NATO has started shelling Russian positions as of yet.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
July 13th. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:▪️During the day, 40 AFU brigade formations were defeated and 17 counter-attacks repulsed, the Russian Defence Ministry reported;
▪️The enemy’s losses were up to 2,075 soldiers; Kiev lost one tank, one Strela-10 SAM combat vehicle, six armoured vehicles, including four American M113 armoured personnel carriers;
▪️Russian forces hit an explosives factory; air defence forces shot down two ATACMS missiles, an S-200 anti-aircraft missile converted to fire at ground targets;
▪️Donetsk, Gorlovka, Makeyevka and Vladimirovka were repeatedly shelled by NATO artillery and drones on Saturday, the DPR said;
▪️Belarusian President Lukashenko ordered troops to withdraw from the border with Ukraine, saying tensions on the border had been resolved;
▪️Senior AFU officers and foreign mercenaries were killed in an attack near the Odessa suburb of Chabanka;
▪️Turkish President Erdogan has expressed the view that the conflict in Ukraine will not end soon and has pledged to continue efforts to stop it.
I don’t think NATO has started shelling Russian positions as of yet.
Me neither, because russian positions still exist.
In the latest update to their list of confirmed Russian military deaths, Mediazona and BBC News Russian reported that at least 56,585 Russian soldiers have died fighting in Ukraine as of June 21. However, this list only includes soldiers whose deaths could be individually corroborated through open sources such as obituaries. In a previous investigation, Meduza and Mediazona used inheritance case data to estimate Russia’s losses and determined that 75,000 Russian soldiers had died in Ukraine as of the end of 2023.But collecting and analyzing data from the National Probate Registry takes significant time and resources, and this means that our true mortality estimates come much less frequently than our colleagues’ updates to the list of confirmed deaths. To address this problem, we’ve devised a new method for estimating Russia’s true military death toll at any given time with a reasonably high level of accuracy. These “flash estimates” will now accompany updates to Mediazona and BBC Russian’s confirmed deaths list as well as Meduza’s own reports on casualties.
According to our latest calculations, as of the end of June, approximately 120,000 Russian servicemen have died in the war since 2022, but the real number could be as high as 140,000.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/07/05/a-new-estimate-from-meduza-and-mediazona-shows-the-rate-of-russian-military-deaths-in-ukraine-is-only-growing
Dark Orange said:
In the latest update to their list of confirmed Russian military deaths, Mediazona and BBC News Russian reported that at least 56,585 Russian soldiers have died fighting in Ukraine as of June 21. However, this list only includes soldiers whose deaths could be individually corroborated through open sources such as obituaries. In a previous investigation, Meduza and Mediazona used inheritance case data to estimate Russia’s losses and determined that 75,000 Russian soldiers had died in Ukraine as of the end of 2023.But collecting and analyzing data from the National Probate Registry takes significant time and resources, and this means that our true mortality estimates come much less frequently than our colleagues’ updates to the list of confirmed deaths. To address this problem, we’ve devised a new method for estimating Russia’s true military death toll at any given time with a reasonably high level of accuracy. These “flash estimates” will now accompany updates to Mediazona and BBC Russian’s confirmed deaths list as well as Meduza’s own reports on casualties.
According to our latest calculations, as of the end of June, approximately 120,000 Russian servicemen have died in the war since 2022, but the real number could be as high as 140,000.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/07/05/a-new-estimate-from-meduza-and-mediazona-shows-the-rate-of-russian-military-deaths-in-ukraine-is-only-growing
and what dor? What have they gsined?
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:In the latest update to their list of confirmed Russian military deaths, Mediazona and BBC News Russian reported that at least 56,585 Russian soldiers have died fighting in Ukraine as of June 21. However, this list only includes soldiers whose deaths could be individually corroborated through open sources such as obituaries. In a previous investigation, Meduza and Mediazona used inheritance case data to estimate Russia’s losses and determined that 75,000 Russian soldiers had died in Ukraine as of the end of 2023.But collecting and analyzing data from the National Probate Registry takes significant time and resources, and this means that our true mortality estimates come much less frequently than our colleagues’ updates to the list of confirmed deaths. To address this problem, we’ve devised a new method for estimating Russia’s true military death toll at any given time with a reasonably high level of accuracy. These “flash estimates” will now accompany updates to Mediazona and BBC Russian’s confirmed deaths list as well as Meduza’s own reports on casualties.
According to our latest calculations, as of the end of June, approximately 120,000 Russian servicemen have died in the war since 2022, but the real number could be as high as 140,000.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/07/05/a-new-estimate-from-meduza-and-mediazona-shows-the-rate-of-russian-military-deaths-in-ukraine-is-only-growing
and what dor? What have they gsined?
for and gained
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:In the latest update to their list of confirmed Russian military deaths, Mediazona and BBC News Russian reported that at least 56,585 Russian soldiers have died fighting in Ukraine as of June 21. However, this list only includes soldiers whose deaths could be individually corroborated through open sources such as obituaries. In a previous investigation, Meduza and Mediazona used inheritance case data to estimate Russia’s losses and determined that 75,000 Russian soldiers had died in Ukraine as of the end of 2023.But collecting and analyzing data from the National Probate Registry takes significant time and resources, and this means that our true mortality estimates come much less frequently than our colleagues’ updates to the list of confirmed deaths. To address this problem, we’ve devised a new method for estimating Russia’s true military death toll at any given time with a reasonably high level of accuracy. These “flash estimates” will now accompany updates to Mediazona and BBC Russian’s confirmed deaths list as well as Meduza’s own reports on casualties.
According to our latest calculations, as of the end of June, approximately 120,000 Russian servicemen have died in the war since 2022, but the real number could be as high as 140,000.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/07/05/a-new-estimate-from-meduza-and-mediazona-shows-the-rate-of-russian-military-deaths-in-ukraine-is-only-growing
and what for? What have they gained?
It seemed like a good idea at the time. Then sunken cost fallacy reared its expensive head…
July 14th . Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:
▪️Russian forces have liberated Urozhaynoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic and are clearing and demining the area, the defence ministry said.
▪️Russian groups defeated formations of 35 Ukrainian brigades, repulsed 12 attacks and counterattacks, the enemy lost up to 1,645 soldiers, the Russian Defence Ministry said.
▪️Iskander missile system destroyed German-made IRIS-T SAM system and TRML-4D multifunction radar, the Russian Defence Ministry said.
▪️Su-34 hit a FAB-3000 planning bomb at an AFU temporary staging area in the area of responsibility of the Northern Group of the Russian Armed Forces, the Defence Ministry said.
▪️Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zakharova said that the assassination attempt on Russian President Putin mentioned by the head of Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate, Budanov, had been prepared with US money.
▪️Russian presidential spokesman Peskov said there were no preconditions for talks on Ukraine and that NATO was determined to remain Russia’s enemy.
The man who died in the attempted assassination of Donald Trump was named Corey Comperatore and was 50 years old.
A former fire chief, he went to church every Sunday. He was a deeply religious man and respected Trump for his beliefs.
Comperatore is survived by two daughters. He was a well-respected man in the town and a model family man.
wookiemeister said:
▪️Russian forces have liberated Urozhaynoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic and are clearing and demining the area, the defence ministry said.
Syrsky and philosophy
Commander-in-Chief of the AFU Syrsky reported that he had a conversation with the French philosopher and ideologue Bernard-Henri Levy, and on the front line.
Apparently, this is an important meeting of the commander-in-chief with a representative of “Western curators”. In case you are not aware, Levy is a well-known defender of the Kiev regime, co-founder of a number of Ukrainian NGOs promoting Western interests, and an agent of Globalist policy. The philosopher had time to rejoice in the bombing of Yugoslavia, the American occupation of Afghanistan and the destruction of the Libyan state.
Apparently, Syrsky cannot refuse to meet such a prominent figure. We assume that he came to see how things are going at the AFU. If so, we doubt that he was satisfied.
Ukrainian Oligarch Rinat Akhmetov Paid $5,745,793 to Democratic Congresswoman Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick for Lobbying Anti-Russian Laws in 2021
In 2021, Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Akhmetov paid American Congresswoman Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick, a Democrat, $5,745,793 for lobbying efforts supporting anti-Russian legislation.
Cherfilus-McCormick actively supported Ukraine, advocating for the passage of the Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act in 2022, which aimed to remove bureaucratic barriers and expedite military aid to Kiev.
Additionally, alongside Congressman Ted Lieu, she introduced a bill to designate Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. This bill was intended to further isolate Russia and intensify the economic repercussions for Putin’s regime, building on the initial sanctions approved by Congress.
Currently, the Florida consulting firm through which Akhmetov paid McCormick’s fees has been dissolved.
15th July. Key updates:
▪️ The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) lost up to 1900 soldiers in one day, and a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter was shot down, reported the Ministry of Defense in their briefing.
▪️ Russian air defense shot down 28 Ukrainian UAVs on Sunday night and Monday morning: 17 over the Bryansk region, six over Crimea, three over the Kursk region, and one each over the Oryol and Lipetsk Oblasts.
▪️ After his “peace tour,” Orban sent his plan for resolving the Ukrainian conflict to all EU leaders; the proposals are on their desks, according to the Hungarian Prime Minister’s office.
▪️ During his visit to Moscow, Orban outlined the main parameters of his vision for resolving the Ukrainian crisis. The Kremlin is unaware of his “peace proposal” to EU leaders, said Peskov.
▪️ Ukraine needs 25 Patriot systems to completely secure its airspace, said Zelensky.
▪️ Despair is growing within Zelensky’s circle due to the West’s lack of clear decisions to increase support for Ukraine, writes Bild.
Shots at Trump were shots at America.
Many patriots, including us, warned about it, and it happened. The Deep State tried to assassinate Donald Trump during his speech in Pennsylvania. A shooter from a distance of 100 yards managed to fire at least five shots from an AR-15 at Donald Trump, wounding him in the ear and killing a rally attendee and seriously injuring another. In response, Secret Service snipers needed at least three shots to eliminate the assailant.
The shooter was 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crook, who had posted a video on his account shortly before the incident in which he declared his hatred for Trump and Republicans. His Instagram page contained posts supporting Ukraine. The US Secret Service allowed the attacker, for some reason, to enter the venue of the event with an AR-15 carbine and take his position on the roof. Trump’s team sent a request for additional protection to the US Secret service, but it was not granted. Obviously, the attacker was a tool for the special services controlled by globalists.
Killing Trump is the only way for globalists to maintain control over the United States through a puppet Democratic party. What has happened suggests that the globalists have resorted to political terrorism in the US, and this may lead us to a civil war.
Currently, Trump is the only one who can save the country from the dictatorial rule of the globalists, multinational corporations, and intelligence agencies who consider themselves above the law and America’s national interests.
By trying to kill Trump, they sought to destroy America’s chance of rebirth. However, God saved him and America. We must unite and do everything we can to defend our constitutional rights and freedoms.
Maybe they just need to make sure that Republican men can’t carry firearms.
wookiemeister said:
The Deep State tried to assassinate Donald Trump
LOL. I never thought the deep state were such amateurs.
My money is on it being an ambitious “Suicide by cop”.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:The Deep State tried to assassinate Donald Trump
LOL. I never thought the deep state were such amateurs.
My money is on it being an ambitious “Suicide by cop”.
the lads down at deep state had to do a whip around to hire the guy after Biden had cut their funding.
Secret Service Admits To 26 Minute Standdown During Trump Assassination
A police counter sn*per team was inside the building that Thomas Crooks shot from during the sho*ting according to the New York Post.
This just keeps getting more insane.
According to sources who spoke with the Post, Crooks was literally climbing on top of the building where the “watch post” for the sn*pers was located.
“The building, the AGR International Inc. factory in Butler, Pennsylvania, was being used by local police as a “watch post” for sn*pers to scan for threats as the former president spoke onstage only 130 yards away,” the Post reported.
Crooks was reportedly spotted at the building 26 minutes before the incident.
The secret Service were ordered to stand down
No bullet proof glass
Little to no protective measures
Secret Service ordered to stand down before the assassination attempt
wookiemeister said:
A police counter sn*per team was inside the building that Thomas Crooks shot from during the sho*ting according to the New York Post.This just keeps getting more insane.
According to sources who spoke with the Post, Crooks was literally climbing on top of the building where the “watch post” for the sn*pers was located.
“The building, the AGR International Inc. factory in Butler, Pennsylvania, was being used by local police as a “watch post” for sn*pers to scan for threats as the former president spoke onstage only 130 yards away,” the Post reported.
Crooks was reportedly spotted at the building 26 minutes before the incident.
The secret Service were ordered to stand down
No bullet proof glass
Little to no protective measures
Secret Service ordered to stand down before the assassination attempt
The long complicated explanation involving a number of people is usually the correct one.
It usually comes out that perhaps official peoples are perhaps not doing their job properly.
Plus I suppose the entire set up for campaigning would a logistical nightmare to protect one person
wookiemeister said:
A police counter sn*per team was inside the building that Thomas Crooks shot from during the sho*ting according to the New York Post.This just keeps getting more insane.
According to sources who spoke with the Post, Crooks was literally climbing on top of the building where the “watch post” for the sn*pers was located.
“The building, the AGR International Inc. factory in Butler, Pennsylvania, was being used by local police as a “watch post” for sn*pers to scan for threats as the former president spoke onstage only 130 yards away,” the Post reported.
Crooks was reportedly spotted at the building 26 minutes before the incident.
The secret Service were ordered to stand down
No bullet proof glass
Little to no protective measures
Secret Service ordered to stand down before the assassination attempt
How is this associated with Ukraine?
Also, let’s not rush to label a stuff-up as conspiracy.
Stuff-ups happen all the time. It’s just that almost all of them go unpublicised.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:A police counter sn*per team was inside the building that Thomas Crooks shot from during the sho*ting according to the New York Post.This just keeps getting more insane.
According to sources who spoke with the Post, Crooks was literally climbing on top of the building where the “watch post” for the sn*pers was located.
“The building, the AGR International Inc. factory in Butler, Pennsylvania, was being used by local police as a “watch post” for sn*pers to scan for threats as the former president spoke onstage only 130 yards away,” the Post reported.
Crooks was reportedly spotted at the building 26 minutes before the incident.
The secret Service were ordered to stand down
No bullet proof glass
Little to no protective measures
Secret Service ordered to stand down before the assassination attempt
How is this associated with Ukraine?
Also, let’s not rush to label a stuff-up as conspiracy.
Stuff-ups happen all the time. It’s just that almost all of them go unpublicised.
Humans don’t function well in constant states of readiness either
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:A police counter sn*per team was inside the building that Thomas Crooks shot from during the sho*ting according to the New York Post.This just keeps getting more insane.
According to sources who spoke with the Post, Crooks was literally climbing on top of the building where the “watch post” for the sn*pers was located.
“The building, the AGR International Inc. factory in Butler, Pennsylvania, was being used by local police as a “watch post” for sn*pers to scan for threats as the former president spoke onstage only 130 yards away,” the Post reported.
Crooks was reportedly spotted at the building 26 minutes before the incident.
The secret Service were ordered to stand down
No bullet proof glass
Little to no protective measures
Secret Service ordered to stand down before the assassination attempt
How is this associated with Ukraine?
Also, let’s not rush to label a stuff-up as conspiracy.
Stuff-ups happen all the time. It’s just that almost all of them go unpublicised.
They do indeed.
“Russia is running out of tanks” is a phrase that has been thrown around for over a year now, but Russia hasn’t yet actually run out of tanks.
However, on average, Ukraine is destroying tanks at three times the rate russia can refurbish the ones they have in storage. And in the first 2 days of July, they lost 34 tanks, the equivalent of a whole month’s production. At this rate it is estimated that unless russia does something different, there will be no more russian tanks left on the battlefield by the end of this year.
https://www.technology.org/2024/07/16/russia-is-losing-tanks-much-quicker-than-it-can-make-them/
Dark Orange said:
“Russia is running out of tanks” is a phrase that has been thrown around for over a year now, but Russia hasn’t yet actually run out of tanks.
However, on average, Ukraine is destroying tanks at three times the rate russia can refurbish the ones they have in storage. And in the first 2 days of July, they lost 34 tanks, the equivalent of a whole month’s production. At this rate it is estimated that unless russia does something different, there will be no more russian tanks left on the battlefield by the end of this year.
https://www.technology.org/2024/07/16/russia-is-losing-tanks-much-quicker-than-it-can-make-them/
Good.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:“Russia is running out of tanks” is a phrase that has been thrown around for over a year now, but Russia hasn’t yet actually run out of tanks.
However, on average, Ukraine is destroying tanks at three times the rate russia can refurbish the ones they have in storage. And in the first 2 days of July, they lost 34 tanks, the equivalent of a whole month’s production. At this rate it is estimated that unless russia does something different, there will be no more russian tanks left on the battlefield by the end of this year.
https://www.technology.org/2024/07/16/russia-is-losing-tanks-much-quicker-than-it-can-make-them/
Good.
Possibly even worse, they’re losing tank crews at a furious rate.
I’ve no doubt that all of the Russians’ experienced tank crews are, by now, either dead, or withdrawn into training roles back in Russia.
It can take a while to train a good tank crew. You can’t just take any three grunts at random, stick them in a tank, and expect good performance. Any ‘accelerated’ training programme will do them no favours.
Without giving them comprehensive training, all that you’re most likely doing is providing Ukrainians with target practice.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:“Russia is running out of tanks” is a phrase that has been thrown around for over a year now, but Russia hasn’t yet actually run out of tanks.
However, on average, Ukraine is destroying tanks at three times the rate russia can refurbish the ones they have in storage. And in the first 2 days of July, they lost 34 tanks, the equivalent of a whole month’s production. At this rate it is estimated that unless russia does something different, there will be no more russian tanks left on the battlefield by the end of this year.
https://www.technology.org/2024/07/16/russia-is-losing-tanks-much-quicker-than-it-can-make-them/
Good.
Possibly even worse, they’re losing tank crews at a furious rate.
I’ve no doubt that all of the Russians’ experienced tank crews are, by now, either dead, or withdrawn into training roles back in Russia.
It can take a while to train a good tank crew. You can’t just take any three grunts at random, stick them in a tank, and expect good performance. Any ‘accelerated’ training programme will do them no favours.
Without giving them comprehensive training, all that you’re most likely doing is providing Ukrainians with target practice.
Just like with the F16’s, Tank training is very specific as well.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:“Russia is running out of tanks” is a phrase that has been thrown around for over a year now, but Russia hasn’t yet actually run out of tanks.
However, on average, Ukraine is destroying tanks at three times the rate russia can refurbish the ones they have in storage. And in the first 2 days of July, they lost 34 tanks, the equivalent of a whole month’s production. At this rate it is estimated that unless russia does something different, there will be no more russian tanks left on the battlefield by the end of this year.
https://www.technology.org/2024/07/16/russia-is-losing-tanks-much-quicker-than-it-can-make-them/
Good.
Possibly even worse, they’re losing tank crews at a furious rate.
I’ve no doubt that all of the Russians’ experienced tank crews are, by now, either dead, or withdrawn into training roles back in Russia.
It can take a while to train a good tank crew. You can’t just take any three grunts at random, stick them in a tank, and expect good performance. Any ‘accelerated’ training programme will do them no favours.
Without giving them comprehensive training, all that you’re most likely doing is providing Ukrainians with target practice.
Yup. Russia has lost more tanks than they started the war with, which means pretty much every tank currently on the battlefield has been refurbished from rusted bodies stored in the elements and every crew is likely very “green”. I can’t imagine the QC coming out of the factory is particularly high either.
Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Good.
Possibly even worse, they’re losing tank crews at a furious rate.
I’ve no doubt that all of the Russians’ experienced tank crews are, by now, either dead, or withdrawn into training roles back in Russia.
It can take a while to train a good tank crew. You can’t just take any three grunts at random, stick them in a tank, and expect good performance. Any ‘accelerated’ training programme will do them no favours.
Without giving them comprehensive training, all that you’re most likely doing is providing Ukrainians with target practice.
Yup. Russia has lost more tanks than they started the war with, which means pretty much every tank currently on the battlefield has been refurbished from rusted bodies stored in the elements and every crew is likely very “green”. I can’t imagine the QC coming out of the factory is particularly high either.
Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
All good. Putin can afford to throwaway the Russian economy, he’s sure he’s still got his old nukes and the hypersonlc bluff.
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:
captain_spalding said:Possibly even worse, they’re losing tank crews at a furious rate.
I’ve no doubt that all of the Russians’ experienced tank crews are, by now, either dead, or withdrawn into training roles back in Russia.
It can take a while to train a good tank crew. You can’t just take any three grunts at random, stick them in a tank, and expect good performance. Any ‘accelerated’ training programme will do them no favours.
Without giving them comprehensive training, all that you’re most likely doing is providing Ukrainians with target practice.
Yup. Russia has lost more tanks than they started the war with, which means pretty much every tank currently on the battlefield has been refurbished from rusted bodies stored in the elements and every crew is likely very “green”. I can’t imagine the QC coming out of the factory is particularly high either.
Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
All good. Putin can afford to throwaway the Russian economy, he’s sure he’s still got his old nukes and the hypersonlc bluff.
how’s the russian economy doing
transition said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:Yup. Russia has lost more tanks than they started the war with, which means pretty much every tank currently on the battlefield has been refurbished from rusted bodies stored in the elements and every crew is likely very “green”. I can’t imagine the QC coming out of the factory is particularly high either.
Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
All good. Putin can afford to throwaway the Russian economy, he’s sure he’s still got his old nukes and the hypersonlc bluff.
how’s the russian economy doing
Not good.
Putin still has his hoards.
Dark Orange said:
Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
A very old armoured warfare strategy is to leave the disabled tanks alone.
Until a recovery vehicle comes to drag them away..
One tank is one tank. But, a recovery vehicle, and its crew, can retrieve many tanks, and put more than a few of them back into service.
Destroy the recovery vehicles and their crews, and you destroy, orl at least, reduce, the capability to put disabled tanks back in the line.
transition said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:Yup. Russia has lost more tanks than they started the war with, which means pretty much every tank currently on the battlefield has been refurbished from rusted bodies stored in the elements and every crew is likely very “green”. I can’t imagine the QC coming out of the factory is particularly high either.
Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
All good. Putin can afford to throwaway the Russian economy, he’s sure he’s still got his old nukes and the hypersonlc bluff.
how’s the russian economy doing
Holding up better than expected but still no good.
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:All good. Putin can afford to throwaway the Russian economy, he’s sure he’s still got his old nukes and the hypersonlc bluff.
how’s the russian economy doing
Holding up better than expected but still no good.
Would be doing a lot better without a stupid war to prosecute.
captain_spalding said:
Dark Orange said:Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
A very old armoured warfare strategy is to leave the disabled tanks alone.
Until a recovery vehicle comes to drag them away..
One tank is one tank. But, a recovery vehicle, and its crew, can retrieve many tanks, and put more than a few of them back into service.
Destroy the recovery vehicles and their crews, and you destroy, orl at least, reduce, the capability to put disabled tanks back in the line.
Horribly, that’s what landmines are for.
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
transition said:how’s the russian economy doing
Holding up better than expected but still no good.
Would be doing a lot better without a stupid war to prosecute.
It isn’t a war, its a…
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Holding up better than expected but still no good.
Would be doing a lot better without a stupid war to prosecute.
It isn’t a war, its a…
Jeez, i nearly sounded like wookie then.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Would be doing a lot better without a stupid war to prosecute.
It isn’t a war, its a…
Jeez, i nearly sounded like wookie then.
resistance is futile!
transition said:
roughbarked said:
Dark Orange said:Yup. Russia has lost more tanks than they started the war with, which means pretty much every tank currently on the battlefield has been refurbished from rusted bodies stored in the elements and every crew is likely very “green”. I can’t imagine the QC coming out of the factory is particularly high either.
Part of their problem is the cheap drones allows the Ukrainians to completely destroy pretty much every disabled tank on the battlefield, leaving none even as a source of spare parts.
All good. Putin can afford to throwaway the Russian economy, he’s sure he’s still got his old nukes and the hypersonlc bluff.
how’s the russian economy doing
Dark Orange said:
transition said:
roughbarked said:All good. Putin can afford to throwaway the Russian economy, he’s sure he’s still got his old nukes and the hypersonlc bluff.
how’s the russian economy doing
:)
Ukraine lists 42,000 citizens in its unified register for persons missing under special circumstances, an Interior Ministry official said, Ukrinform reported on July 17.
This number does not include Ukrainian children forcibly deported to Russia, Belarus, or occupied territories, whose numbers exceed 19,500.
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-lists-42-000-missing-persons/
17th July. Key updates:
▪️ The Russian Ministry of Defense reported the return of 95 Russian servicemen from Ukrainian captivity, in exchange for 95 Ukrainian POWs.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian forces over the past day amounted to up to 1980 soldiers, according to the Ministry of Defense’s report.
▪️ Ukrainian forces lost a tank, a Bradley and M113 vehicles, and Western-made artillery, added the Russian department.
▪️ Ukraine, together with the West, may organize an incident involving weapons of mass destruction, possibly chemical, in the face of Kiev’s failures and blame Russia, said Russia’s permanent representative to the OPCW.
▪️ The Ministry of Defense proposed establishing a certificate of participation in the special operation to simplify the receipt of social support, according to a draft government resolution.
▪️ A monument to RIA Novosti war correspondent Zhuravlev, who died in the line of duty in the Zaporozhye Oblast, was unveiled at a cemetery in Yekaterinburg.
▪️ Hungarian Foreign Minister Szijjártó told RIA Novosti that the second round of the conference on resolving the conflict in Ukraine could take place this year, and Russia should be represented.
▪️ U.S. Senator Paul stated that the promise of NATO membership to Ukraine at the alliance’s summit in Washington was the worst decision, as it will not enhance the security of other members but only increase the risk of a direct confrontation between the alliance and Russia.
wookiemeister said:
17th July. Key updates:▪️ The Russian Ministry of Defense reported the return of 95 Russian servicemen from Ukrainian captivity, in exchange for 95 Ukrainian POWs.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian forces over the past day amounted to up to 1980 soldiers, according to the Ministry of Defense’s report.
▪️ Ukrainian forces lost a tank, a Bradley and M113 vehicles, and Western-made artillery, added the Russian department.
▪️ Ukraine, together with the West, may organize an incident involving weapons of mass destruction, possibly chemical, in the face of Kiev’s failures and blame Russia, said Russia’s permanent representative to the OPCW.
▪️ The Ministry of Defense proposed establishing a certificate of participation in the special operation to simplify the receipt of social support, according to a draft government resolution.
▪️ A monument to RIA Novosti war correspondent Zhuravlev, who died in the line of duty in the Zaporozhye Oblast, was unveiled at a cemetery in Yekaterinburg.
▪️ Hungarian Foreign Minister Szijjártó told RIA Novosti that the second round of the conference on resolving the conflict in Ukraine could take place this year, and Russia should be represented.
▪️ U.S. Senator Paul stated that the promise of NATO membership to Ukraine at the alliance’s summit in Washington was the worst decision, as it will not enhance the security of other members but only increase the risk of a direct confrontation between the alliance and Russia.
Wah……. no liberating done today, Mr Meister? They’re dropping their game a bit, ain’t they, hey what but! 😮
Woodie said:
wookiemeister said:
17th July. Key updates:▪️ The Russian Ministry of Defense reported the return of 95 Russian servicemen from Ukrainian captivity, in exchange for 95 Ukrainian POWs.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian forces over the past day amounted to up to 1980 soldiers, according to the Ministry of Defense’s report.
▪️ Ukrainian forces lost a tank, a Bradley and M113 vehicles, and Western-made artillery, added the Russian department.
▪️ Ukraine, together with the West, may organize an incident involving weapons of mass destruction, possibly chemical, in the face of Kiev’s failures and blame Russia, said Russia’s permanent representative to the OPCW.
▪️ The Ministry of Defense proposed establishing a certificate of participation in the special operation to simplify the receipt of social support, according to a draft government resolution.
▪️ A monument to RIA Novosti war correspondent Zhuravlev, who died in the line of duty in the Zaporozhye Oblast, was unveiled at a cemetery in Yekaterinburg.
▪️ Hungarian Foreign Minister Szijjártó told RIA Novosti that the second round of the conference on resolving the conflict in Ukraine could take place this year, and Russia should be represented.
▪️ U.S. Senator Paul stated that the promise of NATO membership to Ukraine at the alliance’s summit in Washington was the worst decision, as it will not enhance the security of other members but only increase the risk of a direct confrontation between the alliance and Russia.
Wah……. no liberating done today, Mr Meister? They’re dropping their game a bit, ain’t they, hey what but! 😮
Soon it will be August – and after August the weather will turn cooler
- then colder and then the first snow
- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
wookiemeister said:
Woodie said:
wookiemeister said:
17th July. Key updates:▪️ The Russian Ministry of Defense reported the return of 95 Russian servicemen from Ukrainian captivity, in exchange for 95 Ukrainian POWs.
▪️ The combined losses of Ukrainian forces over the past day amounted to up to 1980 soldiers, according to the Ministry of Defense’s report.
▪️ Ukrainian forces lost a tank, a Bradley and M113 vehicles, and Western-made artillery, added the Russian department.
▪️ Ukraine, together with the West, may organize an incident involving weapons of mass destruction, possibly chemical, in the face of Kiev’s failures and blame Russia, said Russia’s permanent representative to the OPCW.
▪️ The Ministry of Defense proposed establishing a certificate of participation in the special operation to simplify the receipt of social support, according to a draft government resolution.
▪️ A monument to RIA Novosti war correspondent Zhuravlev, who died in the line of duty in the Zaporozhye Oblast, was unveiled at a cemetery in Yekaterinburg.
▪️ Hungarian Foreign Minister Szijjártó told RIA Novosti that the second round of the conference on resolving the conflict in Ukraine could take place this year, and Russia should be represented.
▪️ U.S. Senator Paul stated that the promise of NATO membership to Ukraine at the alliance’s summit in Washington was the worst decision, as it will not enhance the security of other members but only increase the risk of a direct confrontation between the alliance and Russia.
Wah……. no liberating done today, Mr Meister? They’re dropping their game a bit, ain’t they, hey what but! 😮
The Russian Army advances on all fronts.Soon it will be August – and after August the weather will turn cooler
- then colder and then the first snow
- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
…and they will be marching, because they will have no tanks left.
wookiemeister said:
17th July. Key updates:▪️ Ukraine, together with the West, may organize an incident involving weapons of mass destruction, possibly chemical, in the face of Kiev’s failures and blame Russia, said Russia’s permanent representative to the OPCW.
Let’s look at that more closely.
For ‘the West’/Ukraine to be able to try to blame it on Russia, it would have to be a WMD attack against Ukrainian forces.
Because, if it was a WMD attack against Russian forces, it would, not surprisingly, appear to be a be a Ukrainian action.
But, to try to pin it on Russia, Ukraine would have to attack Ukrainian forces with WMDs, because that would look like a Russian action.
So, wookie and theRussians are suggesting that Ukraine will attack its own forces with WMDs, to make it look like the Russians did it.
Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
wookiemeister said:
- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
Like i’ve said before, with a Jewish president and Jews serving in the Ukrainian military, including as senior officers, Nazis just ain’t what they used to be.
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
Woodie said:Wah……. no liberating done today, Mr Meister? They’re dropping their game a bit, ain’t they, hey what but! 😮
The Russian Army advances on all fronts.Soon it will be August – and after August the weather will turn cooler
- then colder and then the first snow
- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
…and they will be marching, because they will have no tanks left.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
17th July. Key updates:▪️ Ukraine, together with the West, may organize an incident involving weapons of mass destruction, possibly chemical, in the face of Kiev’s failures and blame Russia, said Russia’s permanent representative to the OPCW.
Let’s look at that more closely.
For ‘the West’/Ukraine to be able to try to blame it on Russia, it would have to be a WMD attack against Ukrainian forces.
Because, if it was a WMD attack against Russian forces, it would, not surprisingly, appear to be a be a Ukrainian action.
But, to try to pin it on Russia, Ukraine would have to attack Ukrainian forces with WMDs, because that would look like a Russian action.
So, wookie and theRussians are suggesting that Ukraine will attack its own forces with WMDs, to make it look like the Russians did it.
Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
and people thought Hitler was delusional.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
Like i’ve said before, with a Jewish president and Jews serving in the Ukrainian military, including as senior officers, Nazis just ain’t what they used to be.
wookiemeister said:
If I were the Germans I would be building the anti tank ditches now and building lines of defence north to west maybe 40 – 50 km deep and fortifying the cities and making plans to work out how to move their population west in the event of the railway and major logistic lines being under bombardment. The multiple lines of Defence will buy time.
If i were the Russians, i’d be digging big ditches.
Because if Russia attacks Germany, then it’s NATO-time, and Russia will need places to bury all of its dead.
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:The Russian Army advances on all fronts.
Soon it will be August – and after August the weather will turn cooler
- then colder and then the first snow
- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
…and they will be marching, because they will have no tanks left.
If I were the Germans I would be building the anti tank ditches now and building lines of defence north to west maybe 40 – 50 km deep and fortifying the cities and making plans to work out how to move their population west in the event of the railway and major logistic lines being under bombardment. The multiple lines of Defence will buy time.
But you are a Russian retarred.
wookiemeister said:
Woodie said:- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
Won’t they be shocked when they don’t find any Nazis, They’ll all find it a bit weird when they realise they have been in some idiot’s second world war fantasy.
July 18th. Developments around Ukraine:
▪️ Kiev lost up to 1,755 military personnel in a day, according to a report from the Russian Ministry of Defense.
▪️ A Ukrainian MiG-29 and 74 drones were shot down, and the infrastructure of one of the Ukrainian military airfields was also hit, added the Ministry.
▪️ Russian air defense destroyed and intercepted 33 UAVs over Crimea, two over Bryansk region, and 10 unmanned boats in the Black Sea overnight, reported the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ “Rostec” has developed a new mobile complex for protecting military vehicles and service cars from drone attacks called “Leshy,” which is already being delivered to customers, stated the state corporation.
▪️ A terrorist attack prepared by Ukrainian diversionists was prevented in Donetsk, reported the FSB office in the DPR.
▪️ Hungary is ready to provide “any location” on its territory for Russian-Ukrainian negotiations, said Szijjarto.
▪️ Serbian President Vucic said he would advise German Chancellor Scholz to achieve a ceasefire agreement in Ukraine as soon as possible on any terms.
▪️ Poland has pledged to allocate 0.25% of its GDP to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons and military equipment, a source told RIA Novosti.
@wookiemeister
wookiemeister said:
July 18th. Developments around Ukraine:▪️ Kiev lost up to 1,755 military personnel in a day, according to a report from the Russian Ministry of Defense.
▪️ A Ukrainian MiG-29 and 74 drones were shot down, and the infrastructure of one of the Ukrainian military airfields was also hit, added the Ministry.
▪️ Russian air defense destroyed and intercepted 33 UAVs over Crimea, two over Bryansk region, and 10 unmanned boats in the Black Sea overnight, reported the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ “Rostec” has developed a new mobile complex for protecting military vehicles and service cars from drone attacks called “Leshy,” which is already being delivered to customers, stated the state corporation.
▪️ A terrorist attack prepared by Ukrainian diversionists was prevented in Donetsk, reported the FSB office in the DPR.
▪️ Hungary is ready to provide “any location” on its territory for Russian-Ukrainian negotiations, said Szijjarto.
▪️ Serbian President Vucic said he would advise German Chancellor Scholz to achieve a ceasefire agreement in Ukraine as soon as possible on any terms.
▪️ Poland has pledged to allocate 0.25% of its GDP to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons and military equipment, a source told RIA Novosti.
@wookiemeister
Life is cheap isn’t, we die so easily
Cymek said:
wookiemeister said:
July 18th. Developments around Ukraine:▪️ Kiev lost up to 1,755 military personnel in a day, according to a report from the Russian Ministry of Defense.
▪️ A Ukrainian MiG-29 and 74 drones were shot down, and the infrastructure of one of the Ukrainian military airfields was also hit, added the Ministry.
▪️ Russian air defense destroyed and intercepted 33 UAVs over Crimea, two over Bryansk region, and 10 unmanned boats in the Black Sea overnight, reported the Ministry of Defense.
▪️ “Rostec” has developed a new mobile complex for protecting military vehicles and service cars from drone attacks called “Leshy,” which is already being delivered to customers, stated the state corporation.
▪️ A terrorist attack prepared by Ukrainian diversionists was prevented in Donetsk, reported the FSB office in the DPR.
▪️ Hungary is ready to provide “any location” on its territory for Russian-Ukrainian negotiations, said Szijjarto.
▪️ Serbian President Vucic said he would advise German Chancellor Scholz to achieve a ceasefire agreement in Ukraine as soon as possible on any terms.
▪️ Poland has pledged to allocate 0.25% of its GDP to Ukraine for the purchase of weapons and military equipment, a source told RIA Novosti.
@wookiemeister
Life is cheap isn’t, we die so easily
The “Best tank ever built” (according to Putin, at least) is the T-90M. At the start of the recent offensives, russia had 67 of these tanks in active service, and the visually confirmed total of those destroyed has just clicked over the 100 mark.
However, there is a technically better tank in the russian arsenal, the T-14 Armata, of which there are 20 known to exist. However, Russia has not sent any to the front lines for reasons you can probably imagine.
And the seas aren’t going much better for them either, as last night while the great russian navy was conducting exercises to protect Lake Donuzlav in Crimea, Ukrainian naval drones attacked their headquarters, but all drones were intercepted by moored naval craft and ammo storage facilities.
Dark Orange said:
The “Best tank ever built” (according to Putin, at least) is the T-90M. At the start of the recent offensives, russia had 67 of these tanks in active service, and the visually confirmed total of those destroyed has just clicked over the 100 mark.
However, there is a technically better tank in the russian arsenal, the T-14 Armata, of which there are 20 known to exist. However, Russia has not sent any to the front lines for reasons you can probably imagine.
And the seas aren’t going much better for them either, as last night while the great russian navy was conducting exercises to protect Lake Donuzlav in Crimea, Ukrainian naval drones attacked their headquarters, but all drones were intercepted by moored naval craft and ammo storage facilities.
LOL
19th July. Developments around Ukraine:
▫️ Russian military forces conducted 11 group strikes with high-precision weapons and attack drones targeting airbases, energy infrastructure, air defense systems, and electronic warfare systems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) over the past week, according to a summary from the Ministry of Defense.
▫️ Russian groups inflicted damage on enemy units and repelled 82 counterattacks, with Kyiv’s losses amounting to up to 13,075 military personnel, as specified by the military department.
▫️ They also targeted the locations of AFU units, echelons with weapons and military equipment, and ammunition storage depots, including Western-supplied ones.
▫️ Over the week, Yuryevka and Urozhaynoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) were liberated, noted the Ministry of Defense.
▫️ Russian air defense systems shot down 3 MiG-29 aircraft, 8 ATACMS missiles, 10 Hammer bombs, a modified S-200 missile aimed at ground targets, 44 HIMARS projectiles, and over 300 drones during the week, added the Ministry of Defense.
▫️ China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Lin Jian stated that an international conference on Ukraine should be approved by both Moscow and Kiev and should consider all peace proposals.
▫️ The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the signing of a loan agreement with the United Kingdom for the allocation of 2 billion pounds sterling for armaments for the AFU.
▫️ Zelensky announced that after a meeting with Polish Prime Minister Tusk, he received a positive decision from the Polish government to expedite the delivery of F-16 fighter jets to Kiev.
▫️ A witness told RIA Novosti that Ukrainian troops in the Kharkov direction are evacuating their main forces across the Oskol River, with SBU personnel being the first to do so.
wookiemeister said:
19th July. Developments around Ukraine:▫️ Russian air defense systems shot down 3 MiG-29 aircraft, 8 ATACMS missiles, 10 Hammer bombs, a modified S-200 missile aimed at ground targets, 44 HIMARS projectiles, and over 300 drones during the week, added the Ministry of Defense.
It’s understood that they also destroyed a partridge in a pear tree.▫️ China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Lin Jian stated that an international conference on Ukraine should be approved by both Moscow and Kiev and should consider all peace proposals.
Well, thank you, Lin Jian, China’s Secretary for Stating the F***ing Obvious, for that really helpful advice.
More russian corruption.
Between 2017 and 2022, sub-standard wheel bearings, with the help of forged documents, found their way into the IL-76 transport aircraft supply chain and has been responsible for the failure of 5 aircraft and the grounding of the rest.
Russia hit a playground in the courtyard of apartment buildings in Mykolaiv with a KH-59 missile, killing three people including a child.
Still no F-16s in Ukraine. However, Zelensky claims that in recent talks, “the Polish government made a ‘positive decision’ that will help speed up the delivery of F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine”.
I suspect the main issue with supply is not the aircraft or the pilots, but the support infrastructure. Russia has been hitting airfields for weeks in anticipation of their arrival, and that may have delayed things. I look forward to seeing what the Poles have offered.
Ukrainian AA guns have taken down a russian SU-25. The rate of loss of russian aircraft has slowed down because they have worked out that if they stay on the russian side of the border, the Ukrainians are not allowed to use US weapons to shoot at them. This brings the number of russian planes lost in the latest operation in Ukraine to 362.
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2176547
Subject: re: The: Ukraine is winning thread
wookiemeister said:
Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
The Russian Army advances on all fronts.
Soon it will be August – and after August the weather will turn cooler
- then colder and then the first snow
- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
…and they will be marching, because they will have no tanks left.
If I were the Germans I would be building the anti tank ditches now and building lines of defence north to west maybe 40 – 50 km deep and fortifying the cities and making plans to work out how to move their population west in the event of the railway and major logistic lines being under bombardment. The multiple lines of Defence will buy time.
But you are a Russian retarred.
Witty Rejoinder said:
From: PermeateFree
ID: 2176547
Subject: re: The: Ukraine is winning thread
wookiemeister said:Dark Orange said:
wookiemeister said:
The Russian Army advances on all fronts.Soon it will be August – and after August the weather will turn cooler
- then colder and then the first snow
- then the ground will grow hard like the resolve of Russian boots heading west , to fight the old foe of Nazism and to victory.
…and they will be marching, because they will have no tanks left.If I were the Germans I would be building the anti tank ditches now and building lines of defence north to west maybe 40 – 50 km deep and fortifying the cities and making plans to work out how to move their population west in the event of the railway and major logistic lines being under bombardment. The multiple lines of Defence will buy time.
But you are a Russian retarred.
OIC
